Knowledge Fight - #1047: He Was With Busey

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan take a little dip into the past to enjoy a completely inconsequential interview Alex did with Gary Busey twenty years ago.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys Shane we are the bad guys Knowledge fight Pray Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, worship with the Elder of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan.

Jordan, quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today is that I refuse to make a full commitment on anything. Even this bright spot? Yes. I am not committing to this at all.

There will be qualifiers made, but I realize that at a certain point, I'm just being obstinate if I don't put it's a matter of time on Spotify and these other platforms where people can actually listen to the podcast that we do. Yeah. So I'm going to do that. Okay. I'm going to make it available as opposed to some weird thing you have to find on a treasure hunt. Yeah. And I figured, hey, let's put those on Thursdays. Okay. So next Thursday, I'm speaking this into existence. Okay.

Ideally, our other podcast will be available for people to find next Thursday. All right. All right. We are what I call on time. Yeah. That's what I would say for that. But that's great! I mean, I'm glad. Yeah.

Obviously. The issue is, I think, there's no deadline. There's no reason for us to be like, hey, let's push this out or anything. Sure, sure. So I kind of just let it slide for a long time and now we're at the point. You know, I don't nag. I just don't do it. No!

And I hear nice suggestions from the audience and then I just forget. Yep. It happens. So look for that. Good times. What's your bright spot? My bright spot is, so I'm reading this book about shipwrecks and such in the past. Pirates.

1700s mutinies exciting very exciting, but there's the part in the book where They everybody gets scurvy right and then there's the intense descriptions of scurvy which are Amount to like a human being melts like they're just all the stuff that keeps you together stops keeping you together and you just fall apart, right? Like and I felt I suddenly felt so grateful to live in a time where I know what the cause of scurvy is And then it's pretty simple and it's pretty simple So to the point where now I was thinking about it I was like if I do get scurvy it is because there are far greater problems going on

You know scurvy is never going to be my problem My problem will be something else and scurvy will be the results of that, you know Yeah, I've heard of like friends of friends who have gotten scurvy Yeah, just because of like terrible diet exactly, you know, like it still is something that can happen. Yeah, but yeah super rare Yeah, so but if I do get scurvy, I know what the cure is I'll eat some fucking vitamin C if I get scurvy and I cannot cure it pretty much instantly again Too many bigger problems going on see but you're playing from an advantage because you've read this book So you now probably know some of the like advanced warning signs Oh, where's most of us we wouldn't be able to diagnose scurvy. You just be like, I don't know why I'm melting

Yeah, yeah, you'd end up talking to dr. House before you figured it out man You know what the grossest thing about scurvy is right is that the description that always gets me is that? There'll be wounds that have healed like 20 years on that'll suddenly reopen great like that's so Terrifying on the healing. Yes, you melt So that's no good. Yeah, that's no good. Yeah, I was thinking about rabies yesterday. Yeah We're having a disease II day yesterday I went over and hung out with Angela Lampsbury Uh-huh she'd had a bat in her house

Oh shit And I was thinking about how it wouldn't worry me if there was a bat in my house cuz like Or as case scenario one, it's a vampire. True. And I don't care. Yeah, you'll move on. Yeah, I have plenty of blood, it can have some. And then the other is that it could have rabies.

And I realized I wasn't scared of that, because I think it might be kind of fun to go crazy. Like to have the rabies and just go entirely nuts. I would be with you, because normally I would be with you. I see where you're going. Here's what scares me the most about that, hydrophobia. You're actually afraid of water. Yeah, but that's crazy. It is, but imagine what that feels like.

Exactly, that's terrifying to me. Sure. Get it away from me like I am a vampire. Yeah. Yeah, I Know I'm wrong on this That I'm wrong. I don't think we need a group of people to like hey rabies is bad for you We yes, but it takes it takes me back to my old hallucinogen days Yeah, you know like what would that be like just to experience?

Hydrophobia for a second yeah, it's a privileged position that I'm speaking from as somebody who's not experienced rabies. I need to experience all mind-altering substances and some of those include rabies, I assume. Yeah. So is this a good book though? Yeah, it's pretty good. It's all right. Did you as a child dream of finding a shipwreck? Did I dream of finding shipwreck? No, I was more

an air guy. Okay. Boats, boats are no good. What are you going to find in terms of air wrecks? I mean, I mean, like, but I'm more interested in in planes. So I was less into anything about boats. I would be like, No, those are your underwater and on top of water. No, get out of there. Get out of there. No get out of there get out of there No good for you So you were more you were more like thinking about playing I would be more interested in finding a wing or something if I saw A shipwreck I'd be like I gotta get out of here. Yeah, there's demons in there I guess because I you know spend some time growing up in Hawaii. It was in the ocean all the time Maybe maybe that was something that was so much more likeceral for me. The dream of finding a boat.

A buried, sunken treasure. I was raised in central Illinois, so the water was a long way away from us. Yeah, there's no pirate boats in the lake. Nope, nope, nope, nope. So, Jordan, today we got an episode to go over. Okay. And we're gonna do something a little off track.

Okay. Because we need to. Just for everyone's health and sanity. Yeah. Because we need to. Just for everyone's health and sanity. Yeah. We'll get to what that is in a moment. Oh. But first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh that's a great idea. So first Dungeon Mistress I'm so glad you got to quit your job to play D&D full-time. Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next the technocrat drop is my Lord's Prayer. Thank you so much you're now a

policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much thank you next the technocrat drop is my Lord's Prayer thank you so much you're now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you very much thank you and shout out to Garrett Jummey and the rest of my silly little guys from Kira Lil thank you so much you're now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you very much and we got a technocrat in the mix Jordan so thank you so much to Dr. Mar you're now a technocrat I'm a policy wonk 4 stars go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark.

Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. So there's a lot happening in the world

Elon Musk is backtracking on his tweets about Trump being a pedophile. Sure they got back together. That's nice At least that that Simmering boil has come down sure sure to a lower temperature. All right, so the world didn't change necessarily Trump has sent Marines to fight against protests in LA. That certainly should be against Alex's preferred things. Probably. But there's just too much going on.

And to calm heads, I felt like we should do something that is a little bit sillier. Okay. If we're going to have a third episode in a week, you know, obviously two of the present day, one of something else, it's good balance. Okay. And I happened to find an interview that Alex did back in the day in 2004 that somehow had missed our coverage. And this is a celebrity. It's pretty big celebrity. Oh, no I 2004 yeah, I want to see if you can guess I don't

My first instinct my first instinct, and I don't know why bet middler no, okay? Well, I think I know why okay wasn't she managed by Alex's buddy, Aaron Russo? I don't know. I think she was. I think that would actually be a pretty good guess. Yeah. Okay. No, it is not Bette Midler. It's someone who is on celebrity rehab. Well, unfortunately, I never watched it. It's not a Baldwin. Is it a Baldwin? It's not a Baldwin. But he has had a Baldwin on before. Let me tell you, I don't know if he, I would bet no.

This is a person who it's surprising is talking to Alex, but also is totally not surprising that he's talking to Alex. And I've given away that it is he. Right. Someone who's on celebrity rehab. Mm-hmm Someone who is famously in an accident Busey yeah, it's very busy. Oh that makes sense. Yeah They should be together in oh for they should be like dating like you should see them at like a cafe And they both are talking to each other about completely different subjects

I know they're absolutely having a conversation. And we're gonna see a little bit of that. I imagine so. Yeah. So Gary Busey and Alex Jones were brought together, I believe, by Kevin Booth, the producer who also was, you know, the catch of tissue between him and Rogan.

Sure. And I think this might have been also in the context of Kevin Booth's drug documentary right when they went to that sushi Date with Rogan in LA. Yeah, because they're in Malibu at Gary Busey's house Overlooking the ocean a gorgeous Gorgeous beachfront property Gary Busey is fiddling around with a cigar. What are any of us doing here? Yep.

I don't know why this interview happened. All right. I don't know what it achieves other than Alex is talking to a very crazy celebrity. So here's where we'll start with Alex asking Busey about the New World Order. All right. Gary, from your study of the New World Order, because I'd like to get your angle on it, what do you think about this global system? Oh, I think it's primitive in many ways.

I had a trip to the others. I think it's primitive in many ways. It's primitive because the experience I had December 4, 1988, I went off the Harley-Davidson without a helmet, hit head first and butt first into a curve. I split my skull and put a hole in it that big, my skull, and I had massive brain surgery. Cedar Sinai, 1.15 p.m. Sunday afternoon, December 4th by Dr. Lauren Hooten. And he told me if I'd been three minutes late, I wouldn't be here now. So it's all in the quickness to get the victim to the hospital.

I came out of the hospital in recovery from a traumatic brain injury where I had to learn to walk, talk, eat, dress myself, organize, speak all over again from the very beginning. And I went to Washington and met with a George H. Bush administration White House briefing, talk about how the federal government should look into acting in support and favor

for people with traumatic brain injuries. And I'm the advocate and the creator of the Traumatic Brain Injury Act that Bill Clinton signed into an act in 1996. I have a first and last page of the Traumatic Brain Inj brain injury act from this White House station here on my wall. I'm very proud of that.

That's wonderful. That's really cool. Yeah, sure, it is. And I don't know what that has to do with your study of the New World Order. No clue. What were we talking about? Alex asked about the study of the New World Order. That makes sense.

But I want to talk about how cool that is. I like that. It's an achievement. You know, there's some good advocacy that Gary Busey has done in his life It is hard. It is hard to reconcile just how much of a punchline Busey was for the past 25 years of my life that I now only now know Was also he like severely did a lot of help for severely traumatized people Yeah, that's great and a lot of the punchline enos of him may be the result of a traumatic brain injury. Yeah

Amazing. It's great. It's great to look into the past. Mm-hmm Yeah, so Alex I think that he wants like hey fuck these globalists kind of interview for him Yeah, yeah, but Gary is talking about his achievements and this legislation that's passed with his help. And another thing that he's been very active about is drugs. Decriminalization paths for restorative and rehabilitative justice for people who get caught with drugs. I like it.

Now that's a difficult position to have in 2004 for Alex because Rush Limbaugh is someone who Alex hates then. And he just got caught with a bunch of opiates. So how do you show grace to this enemy? Alex, he has a hard time with it. That sounds right. But Busey doesn't. That sounds right too. Take Rush Limbaugh. He's been caught now by the police and they have the emails and the witnesses buying masses of prescription drugs, painkillers. But then we go back to his broadcast. He said, anybody that was caught with any illegal

drugs should be sent to prison and given the maximum. Now what should happen to him now if it goes to court and he's convicted? Well, Chris Staufferson called it a walking contradiction years ago in a beautiful song he wrote. And that's what Russ has done, he's done a walking contradiction. But I know every word after the word but in a sentence is bullshit so I'll say and Rush Limbaugh is a person who is in the area arena of needing help in that way. Well girl that's what I was gonna say it's was it despite the fact that he's a hypocrite, despite the fact that I don't like a lot of things that he has to say because he b balkanizes people and puts people in little bitty boxes, you know, in their mindsets,

and we're trying to open him up and expand that paradigm, I don't want him to go to prison for having a problem with something that's a sickness and illness. Well, the word you used, try, T-R-Y, that stands for tomorrow is really yesterday. Yeah. Because as long as we keep trying, we're not getting it done. The words kinda and sorta, those are words that come into our vocabulary as a colloquialism to stop us from achieving our accomplishment.

Sure. So we should forgive Rush Limbaugh and tell him next time to forgive others. Yes, and forgive stands for finding ourselves really giving individuals valuable energy. And valuable energy is unconditional love. and hypocrisy is a lubricant of a civilized society. Hypocrisy is also the lubricant of organized religion that puts religion first and earth

laws first before spirituality and the growth of spirituality. Well, that's what Jesus was saying is that the Pharisees had put themselves before God. They had made their little laws and their little colloquialism. What are we doing here? That became the religion and it was about worshiping man's little trivialities instead of being part of the bigger picture.

Perfect. Perfect. Wow. Gary gives him a round of applause. I mean. You nailed it, Alex. I'm not not no I Know plenty of several people who've had traumatic brain injuries and none of them have suddenly gotten into acrostics So I'm not sure what that's about. Yeah, I think I

I think a lot of those are aphorisms that may trace to like drug rehab Yeah, I think some of those are isms that come from recovery. Right, right, right, right. But I'm not sure, he does that a lot. Yeah. That's for sure. I remember that from like Celebrity Rehab

or I'm With Busey. A lot of these wisdoms. Yeah. That what words really mean. Ah, that's always fun. Alex, I think he really mean. Yeah, that's that's always fun Alex I think he's he's trying Yes, I agree that he's trying I don't know what either men are either of these men are trying to do with each other though Mm-hmm is Gary Busey trying to give an interview where he's like

Interesting and a person who answers questions or is he just there like allowing Alex into his home And we're just seeing what happens. I have no fucking idea. Okay. All right good there is no point to this interview this is an issue for me yeah Even with the Rogan one there was a point yeah, Which is like we're doing this Kevin Booth drug documentary and Alex is inserting himself into it, whatever. There's no reason for this to be happening other than Alex got a chance to talk to the celebrity. And Gary Busey seems like he's there.

He's a willing participant. Sure. This isn't under duress. He does seem to be a part of it, yes. He also is very much above Whatever is going there's a condescension to that round of applause that he gave Alex It does feel like neither of them needs to be talking to each other for any reason Oh, and that anything that comes from this conversation will be useless to both men

Maybe or maybe they'll grow through it. Maybe they will grow through it. Maybe they will grow through it. I hadn't considered that. And one of the ways that I think Gary tries to help Alex grow... Right. ...is by playing a memory game with him. That sounds true. That maybe derails much of this interview.

Derail. Uh, let's take advantage of what a great gift God gave us. Let's look into the power of memory. Memory is given to us because it's a very powerful ingredient in our substance to remember. And I had traumatic brain injury and I had short-term memory lapse for a long time, but I don't have that anymore simply because of prayer and paying attention. And I don't only pay attention. I play attention I want to second that I have talked to this guy about a year ago for the first time

He remembers the conversations we had a year ago, but I'm having trouble remembering him But with him reminding me I do so I mean let's check your memory. Okay, repeat after me. All right one hen one hen One hen two ducks hen, two ducks. One hen, two ducks. One hen, two ducks, three squawking geese. One hen, two ducks, three squawking geese. One hen, two ducks, three squawking geese, four corpulent porpoise. I can't believe it. I'll repeat it. Four corpulent porpoise. Okay One hen two geese ducks Three Geese squawking geese and four corpulent porpoise very good. What are corpulent porpoise?

Porpoise a plural of porpoise. Oh, so we've got the porpoise down here. And corpulant. Corpulant are big boys. Yeah, and the malibu. In fact, Kevin, show folks just for a second this incredible, incredible... Well, it's kind of a cloudy day, so we don't see all of it. Oh, it's beautiful. It's unbelievably beautiful.

And we saw some porpoise down there earlier, didn't we? Yes. Going from south to north. Okay here we go. One hen, two ducks, three squawking geese, four corpulent poor pie, five pair of Don Alvarez tweezers. So I think Alex was trying to pivot away from this memory game. Yeah. Talking about the scenery and like, oh, we saw some poor pie down there. I see that, I see that, yeah.

And Gary is not into it. We're actually testing your memory now. Here comes number five. I think right now, this exact thing may have happened between me and a driver when we were in Austin. This has the vibe of a conversation that's like, hey, how are you doing? I just ordered a Lyft, man, I don't know.

And now we're doing a memory game. Great, okay, all right. There's an agenda that is being pursued by the subject of this interview, and Alex cannot stop it. Nope, nope. And so there's a strategic cut here. And I think it's because this game went on a long time.

A long time? Yeah. Five pair of Dono and Alvaro's tweezers. That's number five. Well Gary, we will, just for a second if I can digress here because you bring up memory. For me, I have a great memory for, obviously we have great memories for things we love and enjoy. I mean, I've, if you love, you know, black Mercedes, you could probably remember quite a bit about- There's many ways to define the one word of love. Exactly. Well, let's just say like or enjoy or, but the point is, is that I can remember

stuff that I care about. And what I really care about is the news and watching a politician say one thing- You know what news stands for? Uh-oh. Northeast, southwest. That's what they got- Information from four directions. Yeah. And that's how they actually started it. People have these boards up in the old west. What? You know, have news from different parts of the country, North East, South West. So that became the news board. You know what

the word SIN stands for? S-I-N? No. Self-imposed nonsense. I believe it. Yay. You ready to go to eight? You ready to go to eight? Oh my god I think they cut out from five to seven. Yeah, they clearly we've got you ready to go to eight Oh, man, this is like if you remember this is when I the last episode of Taskmaster whenever I Zook went for two hours or whatever and they had the cuts of just like 25 minutes Cut again 35 minutes. This is where we're at. It's a great comedic device, but it's not being used that way here. Saving us a lot of time.

Yeah, I want the raw footage. Yeah. Show me him trying to remember every single one of these numbers. Yeah. What are the animals and the tongue twisters and the weird tricks? How long does it take? Like for real in real time, how long and how awkward and how miserable is everybody but Gary Busey while we play this game? And how delighted is Gary Busey? He's having a great time.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that there's a lot of these things that he says that words stand for that I just don't care. Because whatever. I love it't care cuz I love them I love but this one's actually not true self-imposed Nonsense, no the news one the news. Yeah, obviously it's not what yeah And I only was interested because he asks Alex what news stands for and Alex says that yeah

Alex knows this one northeast southwest which is whatever fine. It's not true. Yeah. But they're on the same page. They're closer than one might think initially. I don't, here's what I like about this. I don't think much about Gary Busey's day would be different if those two weren't there. In this exact moment I could see him just being like, you know what sin stands for? Self-imposed nonsense. To no one. Yep. That'd be a delight. He's talking Self-imposed nonsense. To no one. Yep. That'd be a delight. He's talking to a bird.

Absolutely. This is a pigeon. Somebody needs to know. Yeah. So Alex wants to talk on some other level about memory. And again, I think there's more cut out of the memory game. Oh boy. Well, I just wanted to bring up 1984.

George Arwell, who wrote this book about tyranny, talks about what tyranny was. People didn't have memory. So they couldn't remember the lies, and they couldn't remember that things had gotten worse. And that they would even lie to their own selves because they'd spent so much time accepting all the other lies. So basically, without having a memory,

you can't know what the truth is. Good point. But that's what George R. Will said. I don't want to plagiarize it. Also, you must learn this, too, that mistakes are looked at as gifts. Because a mistake is a gift you have to learn something from. Wisdom.

Wisdom and mastery of thought. Failing, F-A-I-L-I-N-G. That stands for finding an important lesson, inviting needed growth. So as a matter of fact, in the truth of it all, in the memory of all truths, you don't fail, you just find a better way to do it. So going back to what my grandmother said,

that you have to be old enough to die to know how to really live. It's called age experience and mastery. It happens with the evolution of your destiny. Let's give Mr. Alex a hand. Oh, he knows I can't do the tenth one. I can't do all tenths. No, no, no.

You can do it, but... He can't do the tenth one. So now we've gotten to ten. Now there are ten. Jesus Christ. So we only really get to hear Alex try to recite five, and then I think they cut out the rest of it. I bet it went on for quite a while. And I bet he struggled real hard.

Yes. Yeah. And desperately tried to pivot into any other conversation. Every single time he had to remember one, he was like, so let's talk about literally anything other than this letter or word or number you're trying to make You heard him be like a you know memory is a really important thing in 1984 and Gary's responses good point yep all right You know what failing stands for I guess definition of the word so he Alex cannot do the ten and of course Gary tries to make him feel better about how he did not fail the

memory game. What this has displayed, what you gave a display of is your energy is not to be held back. And it's as if you're sprinting a quarter of a mile so fast you haven't ran your purpose. There's no pressure, there's no diamonds. When you stay in the logic of going slow and taking your time and really thinking and stopping and associating words with colors or images you have in your mind,

then your memory stays fast and your memory is you. That's when you become your memory and that's when all things within you are solid. Sure. Concerning the past, the now, and the future. You must remember the past is history. Sure. The future is a mystery. That doesn't true. And now is a gift because it's called the present. That doesn't sound true. It's so true. That does not sound true. It's true. No. Refuse. Alex is not in control of this interview. And I think that he's too wanting to guide things in some way. He wants to have some sort of conversation he can use.

And I don't think that he recognizes that if you're going to be talking to Gary Busey, he's going to just talk to you. You are whitewater rafting. Yeah. You are not sailing. You're not on a gondola. You're not singing. You are edge of your seat trying to just survive these words flying at you.

Because who knows where they're coming from? Yeah. The best you can do is chip in a little. Ha ha. Yes. Absolutely. Every now and again. You nailed it.

That's what you say. Gary says that hypocrisy is the lubricant of society you need to lubricate this fine or There's nothing to gain. There's nothing you're gonna get a bunch of words spelled out and shit But you can't you can't get him to talk about Klaus Schwab. Yeah. Yeah This is more like Jimmy James giving you the secret of management This is more like Jimmy James giving you the secret of management. Yeah. Measure twice. Cut once.

And maybe every now and again you'll get a little bit of wisdom in there. Sure. You're a little kernel of something fun. Absolutely. I don't pay attention, I play attention. I'm with stupid. Right. It's great.

So Alex tries to reset things by talking about power. And Gary once again is not interested in having any conversation except the one he wants. Yeah. You must learn to love your enemies. Because in the truth of it all, enemies are friends in reverse. And they show us things about ourselves we need to change. And that's why they're here. Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking to Gary Busey and I talked to Gary about a year ago

and about six months ago and he has, well he's an investigator of a lot of different things. He's been looking into world government and the new world order and into the different facets of it. Gary? Sir? World history, tyranny, tyrants, how do we deal? How is it?

General public not even being aware of the fact that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I mean people before us, our founding fathers knew you got to restrict government, you got to restrict control over our lives because bad men will get control of those mechanisms. The government's just a tool but you don't want to build the tool, the device that can enslave and destroy. Do you have any comments to that? Yeah, through history, through the beginning of time,

we've been learning that power is the ultimate achievement. No matter how the power comes, no matter how you use it. You know what power stands for? Power, no matter how it is, negative, positive, indifferent, stoic, nothing. But if you feel you have power, in whatever way you use that feeling to give you the power you have, whether it be tyranny, wars, I mean, the greatest oxymoron of them all is holy war, which is not in God's plan.

The poor people of the Middle East, the Islamists and the Muslims, and the Arabs and the Taliban, the Afghanistanis, Pakistanis, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Israel, the United States. They all have a purpose on this earth, but they're not using the purpose God gave them to use. They're using the fear that they have by not using God's purpose. And the best way to stop wars is have women fight naked. Because if women fight naked and the men stand aside,

the women will end up having a Tupperware naked and the men stand beside, the women will end up having a Tupperware party and the war will be over. Well, then we won't have much war because they're starting to put the women into the military. Even if they have found about half the women that went to Iraq. Take their clothes off, have them fight naked, and watch what happens. The men will be coming to watch them fight naked. And it'll be a joy. Everybody will be happy. Everybody will win. Everybody is a winner.

I feel like if I'm I'd be done with this interview. Gastic plan, Busey. Tell me more about naked women fighting for and how how do we organize this? Do they have a say? No. Okay. Are we drafting all women to a naked fight? Right. And then this is your premise here is that women, if they fight naked, men will

just sort of ogle at them. Hey, historically they've never fought over women before. And then the women will have a Tupperware party. Yes. Obviously women adhere to these stereotypes, especially when they're naked on a battlefield. They won't continue fighting. How could they? No, they would just have a Tupperware party.

There's too much Tupperware around. Yeah. We've gotta burp it. I think that a lot of the time you can listen to Gary, and he has like these dumb shit things that he says. SIN stands for self-imposed nonsense. Right, and who cares? That doesn't touch the real world.

No problem. That's some sort of fancy self-help book, Jimmy James nonsense. You're fine. Yeah, but this to me is like, are you, do you actually mean this? Yeah. Do you think there's some wisdom behind

have women fight naked and then we'll end all wars? Because if so, you have a deeply chauvinistic, misogynistic worldview. Second, you're dumb. This is dumb. Yep. Sorry you're dumb. It calls into question all of the words

you have broken down for me. If this is also something you're expressing. It's like an interesting take on Liz Estrada except by when I say interesting I mean utterly insane yeah yeah yeah that is what is not what Liz Estrada is about no Liz Estrada is a whole different thing and I'd be like I mean the idea of withholding sex from men to reveal that men are just behaving like children. Yeah, I guess. But that wouldn't be all... I can't imagine Liz and Strada being like, hey, get back inside.

We're all going to go fight naked and have a Tupperware party. And then the play is over. Yep. That would not have stood the test of time. Probably not. Yeah, I think that this is one of those points in this interview where I would be like, oh man, this guy's a bullshitter. If I were Alex talking to him, I'd be like, there's nothing here.

He's a fucking guy. I mean, all we're doing is listening to a man 50-style rap. This is the beat generation guy just being like, if I just say words, skiddily, skiddily, scat, then the words will mean something later. Yeah Yeah, except so many of these things like what these words stand for and all that are things that he says on Multiple occasions. Yeah, you gotta not do that It isn't just like all random shit coming out of his mouth like some of these are things he has thought. Yeah, so Yeah, that's no good. Yeah

Apparently when you talk about power though There people are like sheep and they're following these powerful people sure and the powerful people have been At the direction of 14 spirits that have been directing humanity intergenerationally to torture us I'm sorry Why is it though really dark evil wicked people who are sadistic and enjoy doing bad things to populations, enjoy mutating populations spiritually, physically, financially, why do those type of individuals normally get into power and then once they have power no one's challenging them, they increase the murder, the slaughter.

How do we stop? Well, number one, why do we see that happen or do you agree? And then number two, how do we stop that? A lot of the people who are under the power of the tyrants are like sheep. They know nothing else. They have no role models. This is from generation to generation to generation. And they come with generational curses. And they come from the spirits of evil. And there's fourteen of them that are listed

in the Bible. And when you have these spirits of evil working with you, within you, around you, and you have the spirits of evil working in the leaders and in the politicians and in the generals working with them, you have nothing but evil. Sure. Nothing but evil. And the most endangered species is dedicated leaders. I mean good leaders.

I mean dedicated leaders in the right way. Sure a good way fine that folks that is it That is incredibly the old 60s weren't heavy. Hey, we're rapping. What's number five? Remember number five poor pie. No tweezers nice. I Can't tell you what six through ten are though cuz I was cut out of this this video see I can't imagine having that be Something that I started with in my I'm somebody came to interview me And I'm just doing a memory game now for the rest of the interview I'm just gonna be popping in with four you know like you just got to do it corpulent porpoise exactly got it Would he say that his purpose is corpulent?

Sure, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. So we have 14 spirits of evil that have been cursing humanity from time immemorial. Are they just fast or are they everywhere at the same time? Can they apparate? Can they like disappear and reappear in any situation? Teleportation? What kind of powers do these spirits have? See, you're asking the wrong questions.

Apparently I am. When, the word have? See, you're asking the wrong questions. Apparently I am. When you...the word power. Alright, you understand? It means Por-Pi only want extra rations. Because they're corpulent. Landed that plane, baby! Sully Sullenburger!

This is what you need to understand. When Sully crashed that plane, what did he hit? Poor pie. That makes sense. Yep. That makes sense. Everything works together.

So, Bucey gets to talking about some other thoughts he has. And I actually think that there's something to this next one. Okay. But Alex should throw something at him or take him off the balcony or something. Yeah. Because this is downright globalist-y thinking. There's a lot of negativity going on in our government.

There's a lot of negativity going on in our neighborhood. And one thing we must learn to do is never compete with the energy of the neighborhood. Our body, ourself, is our first neighborhood. Our second neighborhood is our family. Our second neighborhood is our family. Our third neighborhood is the house we live in. Our fourth neighborhood is the neighborhood. The house is around you. I figured we were gonna get to neighborhoods.

Fifth neighborhood, the city. Sixth neighborhood, the state. Seventh neighborhood, the country. And the eighth neighborhood is the world. Infinity. Never compete with the energy of those neighborhoods. Learn how to fit into it in your way of truth and understand that the one way to be safe and to be in a place of nurturement is being true to yourself without the advice from others

on how to handle and be more powerful over others. Because that's what planet Earth is about. That's what the Earth is about, man. I get I listen, I get I've heard be true to myself. I think the people who say, oh, all you need to do is be true to yourself. Leave out the part where it's like, I kind of don't know who I am, man. Sure. Really don't know. Yeah. Could be a random strange, strange person. I don't know. Yeah.

You have some perceptions maybe about who you are, but you don't know for sure You know, you'll never know. Well, we do know that you're part of eight neighborhoods Yeah, Alex should be opposed to the last one. Yep, cuz that's the world and we are not citizens of the world. That's bullshit Where's counties on here? That's not one of the neighborhoods. That's a good question What's the difference between your family and the house you live in that one confused me? Yeah, those two seem like they could go together turn that into one and put county in that That's a good question. What's the difference between your family and the house you live in? That one confused me. Yeah, those two seem like they could go together. Turn that into one and put county in there.

That's kind of what I was thinking, but you know, sometimes people have strange living arrangements. Maybe it's not just your family living in one house, I guess. Sure. I mean, it's not strange. That happens. Yeah. So maybe we need nine neighborhoods.

Sure. But also... Nine planets. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe we need nine neighborhoods. Sure. But also... Nine planets. What? Yeah. One of them is not a planet anymore though. Yeah, but back then it was. Right, but also Nabooru.

Ah. You never know with Nabooru. Right. So I think that there's also, even if we leave, just accept the eight, there's still a fundamental problem with what Gary is saying. And that is that he's saying the important thing is not to go against the energy of the neighborhood. Right. Yeah. But then also you have to be true to yourself. Right. Those are contradictory advice. Well, go with the flow and also be true to yourself. Yeah. Be conformist, but also never conform. No, go with the flow. But like in a stand on no flow way, you know, you know Like I'm going with the flow, but maybe I'm not flowing today, right? What if? What is true to me? Yeah is against a number of the neighborhoods that I am a part of

Are you supposed to go with the energy of the national neighborhood if you're in Nazi Germany sure? Ninth neighborhood the moon right you got to go there. Mmm. That's not a planet Mmm, that's a good point and even if you did go to the moon sure that would just replace one of the other Neighborhoods that would just become your like country or whatever instead of America sure Yeah, moon Yeah, there is a little bit of a join or die to that that is unspoken Holding hands with never join true to yourself, but also join or die yeah, it's it's This is why I can't,

well, there's a number of reasons I can't take Gary Busey seriously, but like, this is one that if I were Alex in this position, I would try to like learn a little bit more about. Sure. How do you be yourself and also not disrupt the energy of the neighborhood? Right.

What are you talking about? Right. This is an ism that means nothing. Right. It does mean nothing. Yeah. It's meaningless. Be yourself at all costs, but also fit in. Yep. There you go. Fuck you.

It's good advice. So now we start talking about a boat. That makes a lot of sense. This boat is in your mind. All right. This is an imaginary boat. Now I'm bummed out. But you're in the boat.

Okay, now I'm back in. And it has a sail. I'm bummed out that you're in the boat. Okay now I'm back in and it has a sail I'm bummed out and that sail is the golden rule And Gary to ask you another question along that line how Do we get the people to do unto others as they would as you would have them do unto you Because it's true if we were all better people if we were all more involved trying to be powerful with our community instead of being powerful over a community, how do we do that?

How do you, tips for people out there, because you've definitely gone deep into this, a deep diver into this, advice for folks out there. Well, the golden rule is the biggest rule of all, doing to others is you would have others doing to you. And it starts with you doing that to yourself. What? Be kind to yourself.

Don't be mean to yourself. Don't be a codependent. Don't be a rescuer. Because a lot of the things... Unless you're down under. ...a lot of the energy that you bring with you comes from the energy of a displaced past and an unpurposable future. The golden rule starts with you.

You yourself. Do as to yourself as you would do to others. Do unto others as you would have others do unto yourself. See, it's all saying the same thing. All this information I just gave you comes right down to one thing that Alex just put up in front of you. This is a sail on your boat of life. The unconditional love. The golden rule is your sail. The ocean is a spirit. The ocean is your imagination. The ocean is your power. The ocean is your emotion. The sail on the boat is the golden rule. The wind that catches the sail and pushes the boat into a lovely

sunset of tropical design with a double rainbow, that wind is your spirit. So when you're kind to yourself, you'll be kind to others. Okay. I think that there's some good advice in there in the piece of like, you know, we all understand the golden rule and that kind of stuff, but we don't always think about it. And you're not really taught this as a kid in the same way that that does apply to you. Sure. You know, you should be kind to yourself. Sure.

You know, I think I think that that's missing from this understanding of the golden rule a lot of the time sure now I don't know if this is like a super profound thing or all that important But you know to the point that Gary is saying something that maybe people could have some use Yeah, or that's there sure we don't need to get into the boat. We don't need to get into the sail Nope, the golden rule is the the sail on your boat and the spirits, the wind, and holy shit. It's all unnecessary. One of the most important things that you can learn about Zen Collins is that the truth

behind Zen Collins is that if you're really interested in the answer, you shouldn't be talking to me. That's the whole idea. Like if you're interested in the answer to the question, I'm not, you shouldn't be talking to me. That's the whole idea. Like, if you're interested in the answer to the question, I'm not, you shouldn't be talking to me. Go talk to somebody else who's interested in that question. If you're interested in the answer to the question, you shouldn't be. You shouldn't be talking to me. Stop it. Leave me alone.

Ignoring Gary Busey is the root of all wisdom. Exactly. That is the idea. Yep. So Gary is kind of, I mean, look, he's not unlike Paul from the Bible. He's not unlike him? Yeah. Okay. So when you're kind to yourself, you'll be kind to others and believe you may, I've been through it because I was held to be with and held to be around for a long time,

but you must go through those things to see that there is an outcome for it. That's when that's another reason we're on earth, to go through life and use life as life is given to you. And life is given to you as a blessing. And you can turn your blessings into blessings for others by utilizing the golden rule for yourself first and for others and know that God is always with you. He's always there. What happens to people when they go down to the bottom of the barrel and go below the bottom, go below the bottom, land at the bottom feeders? What?

Holy to God. Happens every time, happened to me. I mean, that's what happened to Paul. He was the big. Yeah, oh, I've been compared to Paul. I've been compared to Paul. By whom? When?

Where? Just the way I live my life, the way I've taken it on. Paul was a great military. Everybody can be compared to Paul, but the source of my energy. Like I was told when I got out of the hospital two months early after my death from brain surgery that I was born with the energy of 10 men who have normal jobs. Okay, or a man.

All right, 10 men the energy of 10 men who told you these things Paul That sounds true. Mm-hmm. I believe that you think he did tell you those things. My doctor is named Paul Oh, okay. Well then never mind and that stands for positive affirmations utilized lovingly nice That's true. This man can't stop landing planes. This this is what it's about having the energy of ten men I think that if I were Alex and I was somebody who God gave visions to yeah from the time I was young and I'm on a mission against the devil I think I'd take it a little more seriously if someone's like, you know, I'm kind of like Paul. I

Feel like I'd be more offended by that. I I'm kind of like Paul. I feel like I'd be more offended by that. I Wonder if it's possible not to abuse this type of power over people Gary abuse II Not bad, but I mean, you know that that ability the the power imbalance here is Alex is not going to leave He's not gonna leave your famous. I want some of your juice. I'm a vampire. I'm a parasite. I am stealing some of your juice. Right? Yeah. And Gary Busey knows this. And so Gary Busey can just abuse that power and say whatever the fuck he wants with no consequences. And I'm not trying to defend Gary or anything like that because I don't know all that much about him. I imagine he's tough to be around, but like I think that he does not have

as much malice as a lot of the people who Alex would later be surrounded by. Sure. This seems like somebody who's just kind of a survivor of a traumatic brain injury. He's got his own thing going on. Yeah. He's, uh, he's worked out his view on the world. And it's not based on hurting people know in the same way that a lot of people who Alex is around now are. Yeah. But he's notable because he's famous. Yep. Alex wants a little bit of that attention. And in order to get it, he's gonna have to sit through memory games This stuff he doesn't seem like he had the only thing I'm pushing back on a tiny bit Is that like I don't think that Gary is abusing this dynamic? No, I think he's existing right and Alex is trying to make it useful sure and it's just not it's not gonna be yeah

I mean, I don't know if I abused me in a malicious towards Alex way, but in a in a like This is something that only exists for a certain person, you know And so by being that person you're given the impression that what you have to say is important, right? But it's not no, you know And Alex would never and I don't think most people would be all that interested in the character That Gary Busey embodies especially in 2004 if he wasn't like prior to the accident an amazing actor Yeah, and also a good actor afterwards. Yeah, he had plenty of roles afterwards. He still did were fantastic But like he you know, he was a buddy Holly story. You know like there's that

That makes this character that he embodies interesting And that's the only that's the only reason that this conversation is happening. Yeah You know he was great in point break true. He just was so great in point He's had he's had a lot of fine rolls Yeah, he's had he's had a lot of fine rolls So look man, yeah, you got to be honest Yeah, that makes sense truth is important and that's your ticket to heaven Sure, so heaven is what you want to make of it. That's also when people die. You should celebrate. Okay, honesty Honesty is your ticket to heaven

Okay Okay. Wow. And that heaven I'm talking about is the heaven you hold in your heart, the heaven you hold internally. It's great to be alive! Celebrate it! Celebrate life every day. And when a loved one passes over to the other side, celebrate that person's life. Funerals are for the living. They wear black, they dash their teeth, they wail and they moan. And when a loved one passes over to the other side, celebrate that person's life.

Funerals are for the living. They wear black, they gnash their teeth, they wail and they moan. That's the living. That's the people who are still living. That's their emotions. Celebrate with the happiness of life when that person crosses over, because that person's in a better place. And when you wail and gnash your teeth and moan, you're holding them back.

Gary, would you like to tell folks what it was like when you got what you saw on the other side? Because I know Colonel Craig Roberts who we've interviewed has told very similar stories to what Gary's talked about. I choose to save that for another time. No I don't want to tell you what happens when you die. You made me remember five fucking things, you tell me that story. I said tweezers.

No not this time sorry buddy I'll tell you about the afterlife later you know I think when I was watching this I think there's no point to this interview right I understand why it's not an artifact that is important in Alex's career yeah because he's talking to a then famous person but like there's no great sound bites that Gary gives. There's no like, yeah, I'll tell you what, fuck all these globalists. He talks about working with George HW Bush

to get the head injury legislation. So this is kind of a dud, but knowing the way that Alex's career goes, like I feel a little bit of a lesson that he learns from Gary. There's some Gary energy in Alex, the way that he's a bully conversationally. I don't think that Gary means it to be bullying, but he's going to have the conversation that he's having, you damned. Yeah, you can either participate in the conversation that's happening or you can get It's just it's power dynamics I have the power to do whatever I want because you can't stop me

Like you don't you don't have the power within you to meet me, right? But that power dynamic is something that you can kind of make artificial in conversation Sure, you can create it a little bit and I think that Alex is like the person that you see here in his 2004 interview is someone who doesn't have it. Yeah He's subservient conversationally to Gary Yeah The Alex that you see now will just steamroll people just yell at people and like take the upper hand in interviews When it's possible. Yeah, and I think that you know the 14 evil spirits that walk among us

And you know like all that stuff is like oh, this is Alex incorporates a little bit of this Yeah, whether whether it's from this interview or intentional or you know, I don't I don't think that's necessarily the case But that spirit gets in him I think it's I think it's just the space that he and happy, you know, cuz I think Fuentes has that same like instinctive ability to understand power dynamics like when I am at my strongest I Bulldoze people and I make them know that I'm sorry when I'm weak, I'm like right there. Hey, what do you think Gary Busey? Tell me more about rainbows. Like all that stuff.

I agree. I agree with that. And I think a lot of people in the right wing have that. Yeah. And that's kind of a weird alpha thing that they feel out with each other. Gross. What I'm talking about more is that Gary Busey is able to weaponize his insanity in these social power hierarchy dynamics. Sure. You know, like, there is a certain amount of Gary that's like, he's going to play this memory game and you're not going to be able to stop him. Right. And there is a certain amount of power that comes in that that comes from that sure and Alex

He has an insanity and a public image of being a nut Yeah, that I think he can weaponize conversationally sure to the point like his deposition talking about Epstein Didn't kill himself. Yeah, and stuff like there is a Slipperyness that his persona gives him and that is something that I think You see mirrored here. Yeah And I think that Gary's a lot of it likely comes from past drug abuse and Yeah, but for Alex, I think it's a lot more like this just works. Yeah And does more cynical it does work. Yeah. Yeah, so the interview ends and

There's a tiny moment that you hear when the camera should have cut and It's not that interesting sure but then Gary clearly wanted to do a clean take. Oh my god of him talking the whole interview no let's start from square one buddy no of him talking about the boat okay that's Gary Busey and God bless take care think for yourself Wow this whole thing was planned by God you You know that, don't you? Well, let me tell you, Gary, I'm not... You got your camera out there. That was some of the most...

Okay, we'll just do it with a shotgun mic. Yeah, that's fine. Just get up there. Okay, rolling. Here's a reference I'd like to bring you. No, let's start over. Cut. Here's some information.

You're in a boat. You're in a boat. You choose the color of the boat. The boat's on the island. There's some information. You're in a boat. You're in a boat. You choose the color of the boat. The boat's on the ocean. The ocean represents your spirit, your emotions, and your life. And your life that you're living is the boat. You're in the boat.

You have a sail on this boat. And the sail, let's call the sail the golden rule, doing to others as you would have others doing to you. But it starts with doing to yourself how you would do to others and how others would do to you. It starts with yourself. The sail is a golden rule, doing to others. You have an anchor that you don't know you have.

It's an invisible anchor. It goes down. It's sunk in the ocean floor. The wind comes. The boat doesn't move. You don't have an engine on the boat. You don't have any paddles. So you're not going anywhere.

The wind in this aspect represents the spirit. That invisible anchor, when you do the golden rule and when you're kind to yourself, when you're kind to others, and when you believe in the truth of who you are and you're not being mean to yourself or others, that invisible anchor will slowly break away. And that invisible anchor represents the people you are listening to who are controlling you, the government that might be controlling you, the senators and congressmen that might have you down in a special place that doesn't give you the complete freedom of declaration of independence allows us to have.

I'm not pointing my fingers at anyone. I'm just talking about the world around us. Now in your boat, you might want to catch some fish. The fishing pole is representative of joie de vivre. Oh, man. Yeah. You know, Jesus kept the parable short for a reason, bud. Yeah, you know, that that clip, I think is just indicative of like this. This is not good. Yeah, even doing a clean take. but like also,

that part where he's like, he starts and then he says cut. Yeah. That to me undercuts the image of Gary Busey. He's a pro. Yeah. Yeah, he's a pro. That's kind of, that's a little moment that really breaks the illusion.

You want to think of him as just the guy who's gonna tell you what words He's just going to exist as he exists Yeah, but that's not true a lot of the times that you see stuff where he's like The Gary Busey character that you think of that's probably take two or three You know like there's times where he gets going and he's like I'm not feeling let's start over yeah This it's it's it's false. It's a little bit false. I mean listen I'm not gonna be the guy who says that you know maybe

Actors from LA don't have anything worth hearing, but Fuck it. Don't ask them any more questions, human beings. What are we doing? They pretend to be things, stop it. Yeah, and I think that this interview embodies a really interesting duality, which is there isn't really anything interesting here that needs to be said.

But at the same time, you know, Gary Busey, when he's talking about survivors of traumatic brain injuries and how the government can better serve them. He's a very useful and effective advocate in that sense. Absolutely. And so like saying he has nothing to say isn't fair. He has something to say there, but then this boat stuff. Well, I mean, ironically, the boat stuff kind of reinforces the validity of the other stuff. It might. Where you go like, oh, what do you mean?

This guy is the victim of a traumatic brain injury? No, yeah, okay. No, I, yep, yep, yes he is. Okay, all right. And it's fascinating to see Alex in this setting because he's got nothing. Nothing happens. It's a dud. Nothing happens. It's a dud, it's a boring interview.

And when he talks to celebrities and stuff, it's usually something he really tries to make a big deal of. And he talks about how he talked to Charlton Heston constantly because they got to talk about guns and how great the NRA is and all this stuff. this is not something that lives in the legend of Infowars That time that I hung out with Gary Busey and he explained to me that women should fight nude You know what? I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna I got another news radio reference This is like whenever they went to meet Seinfeld at the for lunch and they just you just wanted a famous name You just want the name to be there,

and then people, this is clickbait before, or like at the dawn of clickbait. But it's also a horrible, like I guess the Seinfeld episode, that doesn't go great. Yeah. But Alex doesn't, like, how many people have seen News Radio?

Like, Alex didn't edit this to make him say something that he didn't exactly exactly Gary say something he didn't say yes he could have I guess I don't know yeah I I just wanted a little bit of a palate cleanser something something to end the week on a I like it yeah just a little bit of triviality it is it is so great to listen to like, uh, uh, like self help with, with like, uh, dip your toe into Eastern philosophy vibes, you know, just like this is regular old like, Hey, let's, let's not drink anymore, but also things can be and not be at the same time. Ah, yeah. 20 years ago, this is, uh is the best Alex could do. Yeah. Anyway, we'll be back with another episode. Check in how our ding-dong's doing in the present day.

But until then, we have a website. Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm TZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor. Woo! Yeah! Woo! Yeah! Woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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