Knowledge Fight - #1048: June 6, 2025

Episode Date: June 16, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan finally get to find out what Alex thought about Elon's tweet nuke, and find out some troubling news about Alex's legal situation....

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Music It's time to pray. I have great respect for knowledge fight. Knowledge fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge fight. Dan and Jordan. Knowledge fight. I need, I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and, Andy and.
Starting point is 00:00:35 Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and, Andy and. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm Andy and Kansas.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around Where's with the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones? Oh indeed we are Dan. Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today buddy? Why don't you go first? My bright spot is Over the weekend. I went to first a Cubs game with my cousin. Go We do that annually And then my his his daughter had a graduation party
Starting point is 00:01:26 She's graduated high school and now she's moving on to another Educational system sure so yeah, it was a very cousin heavy weekend that I enjoyed immensely So I want to ask a little question about this graduation sure Do like does I remember back when I was in high school? There was kind of like a there were some people who were interested in being at the top of the class. Sure. Is is this niece or what would she be to you?
Starting point is 00:01:53 Second cousin? Yeah. Was she she at the top of her class? Um. She concerned about that making the grade? You know what? Here's what I'll say. I don't know too much about her whole deal because as a childless adult, probably best not to get too into life.
Starting point is 00:02:12 So you don't know about extracurriculars? You don't know if she ran track? Nah, nah. I think she played softball. Or not. These are possible things. It's one of the two. It could be either. She either did or didn't. She either did or didn't. She either did or didn't. There's a 50-50 chance. Well, I hope she got into the college of her choice and you all had a good time.
Starting point is 00:02:30 I do know she did that. I do know she's very excited to go to said college. I won't reveal it. Yeah, you don't want to dox that college. Nope, not going to happen. Nice. Yeah. I did not get into the college of my choice, but I dropped out of high school and got a
Starting point is 00:02:42 GED, so I went to the University of Missouri. That'll work. Take what you can get. Take what you can get. How you doing? What's your bright spot? of my choice, but I dropped out of high school and got a GED, so I went to the University of Missouri. That'll work. Take what you can get. Take what you can get. How you doing? What's your bright spot? My bright spot is, hey look, I got a dark spot and it's me.
Starting point is 00:02:53 I don't know. I'm sorry that we're late on the episode today. I had a little headache yesterday and if I'm being totally honest, I spent too much time on home decor projects this weekend. I showed you my little couple plant nooks that I've been working on. I spent too much time on home decor projects this weekend. Sure. I showed you my little couple plant nooks that I've been working on. And I mismanaged my time a tiny bit. That played into it and I, eh, what are you going to do?
Starting point is 00:03:15 I think everybody will appreciate you spending a little bit more time on yourself. Sure. And my plant nooks. We may have plant watch coming back. I like it. Quite frankly. We'll see how these greens work out. It's about time may have plant watch coming back. I like quite frankly, I will see how these greens work out. It's about time we had something watch coming back. Get some lettuce popping up. So Jordan, today we got an episode to go over. We're going to be talking about June 6th,
Starting point is 00:03:37 2025. I wanted to cover more territory and more ground, but there's a lot going on and I'm working on a little thread of something that is a bit heavy. We are still in the breakup stage. We have not gotten back together. Well we've seen Chase Geyser and Owen Troyer's response to Elon Musk's tweet storm. The thermonuclear bomb and the information war between Trump and Musk. Yeah. But we still haven't seen Alex's response. Right. And so that's what we get to partake in today. Excellent. We get to see Alex come back to the studio after
Starting point is 00:04:14 his time at court and see how he handles it. Probably well. Oh, so good. Yeah. So today we'll do that. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh that's a great idea. So first, Hey Maf, it's your very gay sister Brody taking a little breaky from writing her very gay fantasy novel to say you're welcome for introducing you to Knowledge Fight, the chemotherapy you didn't need for Infowars, the cancer you didn't have until you started listening. Thank you so much for now, policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Jacob is a globalist with 5G vaccine powers. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And I'm the policy wonk from Puerto Rico, sending love from the Island of Enchantment. Thank you for making sense of the madness. And I renounce Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we got aocrat in the mix Jordan. So thank you so much to Dave the mole Moe Sheridan for too long. I've been Scaggling your content. I finally a policy wonk Barry. It's shite being Scottish. Thank you so much You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you very much. I don't think we actually have any fans in Scotland though, because no one beat you up.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Not after that. I was letting you speak Scottish as well as you could, so you would get beat up next time we go to Scotland. I think it's endearing the way that I can't pronounce anything though. I feel like the fans enjoy that. Whereas you, cruising for a breeze. I just have it coming. That's fair.
Starting point is 00:06:07 So we start off here and Alex has a take right out of the gate. Of course. And to refresh everybody in case they haven't heard the last episodes, Mike Johnson was to blame for Chase. That fucking asshole Mike Johnson. Right. And then Owen evolved it a little bit into being more a, this is Trump's fault for siding with Mike Johnson. Right. And then Owen evolved it a little bit into being more a, this is Trump's fault for siding with Mike Johnson. Right. So here's where Alex is at. We are
Starting point is 00:06:32 now less than 24 hours into the mega firestorm and the nightmare scenario. Nightmare, oh. That I have intensely warned of in the last couple years, but in the last six months intensely, in fact, have the archives grab it just from like a couple months ago. Where if the Trump administration and the American people and MAGA didn't back Musk
Starting point is 00:07:09 when he was under unprecedented deep state attack, his family himself, his companies, that analyzing his psychology, and I've become quite the expert on it, and his actions, it's very predictable, that he could be turned against Trump. So this is an interesting angle for Alex to land on because it really just makes every party involved look terrible. Elon Musk is painted as an entitled idiot child who has no fundamental allegiance to anything other than himself and if he feels like people aren't sufficiently worshipping
Starting point is 00:07:43 him, he'll tweet out that they're forcing the FBI to cover up that they're a pedophile. That's fair. Musk seems like a bad person, a loose cannon, and an unacceptable figure to ever let on your team. True. Trump seems like a dipshit because he lets someone like Elon get deeply entangled with his campaign and presidency. Trump's supposed to be the guy who knows how to run the government like a business,
Starting point is 00:08:04 and yet he teamed up with the billionaire baby and then decided to take away his pacifier, ensuring that he throws a tantrum. Accurate so far. And Alex seems like an idiot too, because he spent the last year at least promoting Elon as the most important genius mind in the world. But apparently the whole time Alex knew that Musk was a time bomb waiting to go off as soon as he didn't get his way. Very predictable.
Starting point is 00:08:25 This is not the Elon that Infowars has sold their audience. So in order for Alex to pull off a I knew this was going to happen at this point, he's also saying I lied to you this whole time about Elon because I wanted his money and not to be kicked off Twitter. It pains me to say this, but Alex had time to think about this and Chase's immediate reaction was a better spin. Chase got it in one. I posit this to you. Perhaps, by giving all of them idiot status, that way none of them have to be like, well, we're stupid.
Starting point is 00:08:59 They're all equally smart. Right. Alex's friend, Mike Judge, made a movie about this. I think that kind of a scenario. Yeah, that seems right. So it's weird that Chase, like his first impulse is better than what Alex has come up with. Yeah, it still wasn't great. And Owen improved on it.
Starting point is 00:09:18 And there was that weird thing about Mike Johnson stealing his wife. But it was still better than this. It's interesting. It's interesting to me that they have the instinct to scapegoat instantaneously. They're like, oh, these two are fighting, let's go kill this guy. Makes sense, right? Or at least it makes sense in its way.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Alex doesn't have that. He's like, let me explain the dynamics of the, of the, the court. This is palace court dynamics and it seems, it seems bad to explain why the king is good. Right? Yeah. And, and like, uh, yeah, Owen and chase were kind of coming from a place of like trying to redirect blame somewhere else. Right. And Alex is trying to retain the positive image of both Elon and Trump. And that's a very different motivation. It's almost like Owen and Chase are doing what
Starting point is 00:10:13 Infowars traditionally does. And Alex has become this new thing where he just cleans boots with his tongue. Right. See, okay. So the Emperor and Mark Anthony are both equally cool, but they're fighting because they have different goals right now. But that doesn't mean that they were stupid for trying to make it work in the first place. They're both alphas. Yeah, that actually does make it stupid, doesn't it? Yeah. How about that? So Alex isn't on either side. Sure. And everybody who's demanding people make us take a side is their their fools Hmm, and I noticed everybody almost everybody was asking. Are you on Trump's side or my side? And I said, I'm on neither side. I'm on team humanity, which means I'm on the side of truth
Starting point is 00:10:58 And I said, I don't know what the truth is here But I'm gonna analyze all the pieces. And I said it's going to take me a few hours to make some phone calls, talk to insiders. Make my own assessment. The next hour I really focused on the information as we were driving. Back to.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Austin from Houston. Gotten some phone calls with Roger Stone and others, and they basically said exactly what I had already come to the conclusion of before I told them what my conclusion was. And then I put out the different pieces. So if you want to know what's really going on, instead of a bunch of BS, you're going to find out right here.
Starting point is 00:11:44 And I pretty much just told you what happened. Elon feels betrayed. And I would say that you that is a fair perspective he has. I don't think that's what it was intended to do, but that's what happened. Instead of being even rewarded for helping save the country, he got hung out to dry. So to translate this, Alex feels like defending Musk is the more important thing to do right now, but he's entirely unwilling to go against Trump over it.
Starting point is 00:12:23 That's the long and short of this. Right. It's a fun thing to say that you're not taking any side in this fight and you're on the side of humanity, but for someone in Alex's position, there's no way to credibly say that. Absolute best case scenario, Elon Musk got his feelings hurt
Starting point is 00:12:39 and he lashed out on the social media platform that he bought for the purpose of swaying an election, saying that Trump is a pedophile and saying that he should launch his own political party. Like Musk was talking about, we need another party. This led to Trump threatening to take away his government contracts and Musk threatening to stop working with NASA, and then eventually Elon's high war off and he took back the things that he said. At best, even if you want to accept that Elon's feelings were hurt,
Starting point is 00:13:05 and even if you want to pretend that Trump isn't in the Epstein files, this situation is clearly illustrated that neither of these people can be trusted. Musk can't be trusted with any power or influence, because you have no way of knowing if he's going to get his feelings hurt one day, and you don't know what he's capable of in that situation. His impulsive bullshit on Twitter could theoretically start a war or tank stocks. So if Alex believes what he's saying about Musk, then Musk is not responsible enough to be a public figure. And if Alex believes what he's saying about Trump's part in this, he has to think that Trump is willing to use the government to fight personal battles, which is the essence
Starting point is 00:13:42 of corruption. If Trump is threatening to cancel government contracts with Musk over their Twitter fight, then that sends a strong message to anyone who does business with the government that if you want to keep your contracts, you'd be wise to be loyal to Trump. This fight fizzled out a little bit, but it would have been a perfect spot for a hard reset for Alex. If these dudes are acting this way, they can't be plausible allies in the fight against the devil. Like it just, it doesn't wash. This is silly. I mean, it's, you know, it's tough. It's tough because this is one of those great emperor
Starting point is 00:14:16 has no clothes moments where it's either you try and explain this in a convoluted and ultimately stupid way, whether you're in the right-wing media or any other media. There's no way to explain it other than to go, these two men are stupid children. And if we were at all adults, we would spank them with our belts. That's it. And to extend the parenting metaphor out a little bit even more, we made a mistake to get to this point. Yep.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Where they're in a position where they can have this baby fight. I mean. We should have made steps, 10 steps back. I understand why it can't happen, or I understand why people believe it can't happen, but in one voice, I think we all need to stand up and just go everybody
Starting point is 00:15:11 Fucking stop for five seconds. Yeah timeout. Let's let's hold on. Yeah. Yeah So the issue with these tweets and Trump the issue is that it's complicated. It's but that's the thing Why not? No, you have to make it so complicated because it's so uncomplicated I would suggest that it's one of the least complicated things I've ever seen. Exactly. When first you don't succeed, try, try again. SpaceX is light years ahead of any space exploration in the history of it in the last 70 years and is the Maverick's Maverick and I am extremely thankful to Elon Musk for what he's done to help save or give us a real shot at saving the American Republic. Now there's obviously a lot of media people and influencers on the so-called right, on the so-called
Starting point is 00:16:02 left. They're going to take the things I say here out of context today and misrepresent small snippets of what I say. Complex issues like this take a lot of understanding, a lot of research, a lot of connections, a lot of background to be able to accurately lay out what's really happening. There is no complexity here at all. Nope. Alex needs to pretend that there is because on its face, it's humiliating that he's trying to maintain support for either of these dudes, let alone both. He's trying to put up Hall of Fame bootlicking numbers here.
Starting point is 00:16:37 Like it's crazy what he's aspiring for. Everybody is, you know, there's's there's the toady who? When faced with this guy goes you're totally right and ever and that guy's a complete idiot. He's a fucking moron Everybody knows this I agree with you You're a genius and then when that guy is not there goes to the other guy and he's like, ah, you're totally right I got it. Everybody hates that guy. Mm-hmm. Nobody likes that guy Nobody. Yeah. Yeah, and Alex is given strong energy. Yeah. Don't be that guy. No, he shouldn't. He shouldn't. Shouldn't do it. Can't do it. So Elon, like he needs he needs to be protected. That's crazy to even say, you know, that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Right. Trump didn't protect him well. That's insane. He needed to be protected because he was under attack. Man, we should just shoot all of the government buildings into space. Don't you understand he's a sensitive billionaire? I don't! And I had warned of the attacks on Elon by the deep state that if he wasn't properly defended, if he began to fall like dominoes, it would fall on all the other key Trump generals. Literal and figurative. And that's the globalist strategy. As soon as the news broke at about 1 30 p.m. Central yesterday that Elon had taken his fight with Trump to the
Starting point is 00:18:07 Thermal nuclear level in the info war and then he was saying the really big bomb is that Trump's in the Epstein files That's why they're suppressing them Everyone began to ask me are you on Elon or Trump's side and I said I'm on neither side I'm on team humanity, which equals team truth. And I said, I predicted this would probably happen a lot here on the air the last six months, if we didn't defend Elon properly.
Starting point is 00:18:42 And then people say, I will screw him, let's just be tribal. Then they can go after the next big person and the next and the next and then cause a route. This is how history and politics and information war operates. So I have to say that I'm now impressed by this. There's a really bad angle if you're trying to craft an Infowars narrative in the tradition of what the business likes to pretend to be.
Starting point is 00:19:05 But it's a deceptively good angle if you just accept that this media operation might be ready to accept what it really is. A vicious propaganda network serving the president and the richest man in the world. Alex's fundamental point here is that Trump and the MAGA media failed to properly protect Elon from attacks being carried out by the globalists. These attacks are things like Elon facing consequences for not following international regulations on how he runs Twitter, or people pointing out his cartoonish conflicts of interest
Starting point is 00:19:35 with how he ran that fake government efficiency office. Musk had created a social media platform where misinformation could flourish and bigots had a safe space. By doing that, he created a political organizing tool that even Alex has no problem saying won Trump the election. Elon's also a fucking lunatic who runs his companies on feelings, and if he feels like icing you out, Twitter might not be such a free speech platform for you anymore. Crazy.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Alex knows that he's only on Twitter because Elon decided to let him back on, and all of the people who are essential for right-wing extremist organizing, they're all in the same boat. Their access to the social media they're so addicted to could be taken away if Elon feels like doing that, so he needs to be appeased. Trump should know that appeasing Musk at all costs is in his interests, because keeping Musk happy guarantees that he has a giant social media company that'll do his bidding, so as far as Alex is concerned, Trump should have been doing everything in his power to shield Musk from any heat he
Starting point is 00:20:34 might be getting. In essence, what Alex is revealing is that there's nothing Elon could do that would merit criticizing him. He's a critical part of the right-wing media infrastructure at this point, and owns a social media company that can sway elections. Understood correctly, Alex is pretty clearly expressing that he believes a fundamental role that he plays in the information war is to defend Elon Musk. Not because he's right, but because if Elon isn't protected properly, he'll fall, and then the heat that he was taking will be directed towards another figure in the MAGA world, and the dominoes will begin
Starting point is 00:21:08 to fall from there. I think that as long as Elon doesn't kick him off Twitter, there's always going to be an excuse, even for something as crazy as this. Even though Alex is like, I don't believe that Trump's in Epstein files, and Musk just tweeted that, That's fine. Yep I used to think we were in the Twilight Zone episode where it was a small neighborhood and then the lights just kind of turned off and people came out and very quickly they turned on each other and they chose scapegoats and they they you know kind of did and then at the end the
Starting point is 00:21:42 Twist was you pull out and the aliens did turn the stuff off But they were like all we had to do was cause a little bit of a thing and they'll kill themselves You know like that right right, but now I think we're living in the Twilight Zone episode where the kid can turn you into a Jack-in-the-box. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying and everybody's in a constant state of Terror and treating him with with literal kid gloves. Yeah. I think we're in the Twilight Zone episode that had an ironic twist. Yeah, that does sound right. That does sound right. That episode, there was an ironic twist there.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Yeah. So, Elon, he needed to be protected properly, which did not happen. And because of that, he had a breakdown. He had a little bit of a breakdown, ended up calling Trump a pedophile. That'll happen. That'll happen. And then Trump said some things. Sure. So I said, very early on, I said, Elon does not look physically good.
Starting point is 00:22:39 I've been noticing that the last month. He looks very distressed. I don't mean looks sick. He looks just very unhappy and very distressed. And I know he's getting attacked from all sides. And for everything you hear about, there's a lot more you don't know about. That's the nature of this. I've experienced it myself, though not at Trump or his level, but pretty much third or fourth in line for the attacks. Because the more you're effective fighting evil, the more they come after you.
Starting point is 00:23:08 So I said, looks like maybe kind of a nervous breakdown and, you know, really hammering Trump. And then Trump came out and said some things that are very concerning. But there's no clear answer at this point to all of this. The larger issue is that this type of civil war in MAGA and DOGE is the type of opportunity where the globalists, the Democrats, the deep state who are being routed on every level could grab partial victory from the jaws of their defeat. So Alex says there's no clear answer and there actually is. It's that both of these dudes are unfit to be in the positions they're in.
Starting point is 00:24:08 If Elon's having a mental breakdown to the point where he's posting on that Trump's pedophile on the social media site that he owns, then he needs help. He can't handle the pressure of the situation that he's in and he needs help. Someone needs to get him help. And Alex said there that Trump said some concerning things. I don't know what exactly he means by that, but should tell you that he doesn't have what it takes the poise to be the president. The leader of the free world can't say concerning things during a Twitter fight with a billionaire who just called him a pedophile on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:24:41 It's unacceptable. This is embarrassing for everybody. I get that Alex's angle here is that everybody needs to keep supporting Trump and Musk because if they don't, then the globalists will have a chance to get some wins in. But this is stupid. Trump and Musk are clearly showing that if people keep supporting them, their behavior will lead to way more trouble than any globalists could. Yep. Like, if you think your only shot is maintaining support for these two dudes, you now have no shot. I mean, you know, I figure, honestly, just bite the bullet, she him, and make Elon Musk disappear.
Starting point is 00:25:23 I don't know why Trump doesn't do this. You just make him disappear. You can do it I mean, it's an option that Trump has on the table, right? I generally try to look at like things from Alex's perspective sure because like I think storytelling is more Interesting than wielding Dictatorial power that's fair. So for him, I think I think It's such a perfect opportunity to like maybe he doesn't have the power of Xi, he can't disappear Musk, but he can disappear him from like being a
Starting point is 00:25:53 hero. Yeah, I guess, I guess you gotta Rand Paul is still in office. See that but that's the thing about doing palace intrigue is to me it feels like the narrative is palat palace intrigue is to me. It feels like the narrative is Palatial intrigue you've you've allowed this man to get too much power. So even though you're a king You're not really the king anymore if you can't wield Literal godlike power. So if you've given this person too much power Then you're inevitably going to be conflicted when your interests don't align. So that means that you either preempt him or he destroys you when he gains power greater than yours. It's
Starting point is 00:26:30 very simple. We've been doing it for thousands of years, man. I really just, I feel like if Alex doesn't go this route of like, and he's not going to go the route of like abandoning both of these guys. Sure. He's got to bring Steve back. Yeah. Like, all bets are off. Just come on. Why not? Why not?
Starting point is 00:26:51 I mean, I'm more likely to believe damn near anything than I was a while back. Sure. So Steve has got far more leeway than like North Korean ballots. That's still crazy. But, you know, maybe the Pope has been arrested. I will accept that kind of jackassery from him, but not from Roger Steff. No, no, no, no, fuck that.
Starting point is 00:27:13 So, you know, there's some concerning things that Trump said. Sure. One of them was a direct lie. Wow. You also have Trump saying, Oh, I asked him to leave. He'd really warned Finn. Okay, oh, I asked him to leave. He really warned thin.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Okay, well, is that the truth? Or was Trump over hundreds of times even last week was saying bye to Elon? Oh, I asked him not to leave. He's really great. I mean, how many times you heard that? I don't want to go on to leave. So Alex is explicitly and clearly pointing out that Trump is a liar, and it's not even an important lie.
Starting point is 00:27:47 It's a petty, interpersonal lie where he was either lying to make Elon feel better on his way out, or he was lying on social media later to save face and try to hurt Elon's feelings by saying he was wearing thin. And here's the important point. It doesn't really matter which of these statements Trump made is true. He said both of them because they were the easy thing to say that made him feel good when he said them. At Elon's farewell, it feels good to be a magnanimous guy toasting the dude who's
Starting point is 00:28:15 leaving. When Elon starts calling you a pedophile on Twitter, it feels good to say, fuck that dude, I didn't like him to begin with. Both of these statements Trump made are kind of true in the sense that they made him feel good. A large part of the GOP's political identity at this point is making sure Trump feels good. So whether Alex wants to admit it or not, this is a big part of how he can clearly lay out that Trump is a liar and still pretend to care about the truth. Because the leader's feelings are preserved. Yeah, I'm okay, so This would be something that I would appreciate right?
Starting point is 00:28:51 Uh one of the things about the history of uh, how god does stuff, right? Sometimes he chooses assholes to do something good. That's it's amazing how that happens, right? Works in mysterious ways I would find it easier to identify and and like hang out with the Christians who support Trump if they are all like Isn't it amazing how stupid Trump and Muskar and yet still God can use them to achieve our goals? Because then we could at least be like you're right. They're fucking idiots together, you know, right But doesn't isn't it like a really essential part of that story of God using imperfect people, like that they come to Jesus, like they become better.
Starting point is 00:29:34 It's like their earlier life was when they were dumb. Sure, you got your soul to Paul, but you know, maybe, hey, time is time, who knows? Maybe it takes 10 years, maybe it takes ten years. Maybe it takes a hundred years Maybe we last for five years God's crazy like that. Yeah, maybe drums about to turn the corner, right? Maybe this is all we're right there buddy. Yeah sure. Yep. So look it's I mean for people in Alex's world This is a tough time. Yeah, this tweet has has shaken everybody but there's some silver linings if you look for them. It's not all bad news.
Starting point is 00:30:08 But the silver lining is this. The whole globalist system is ruled by corporate governmental committees that come up with policy ideas and put their puppets in. As Klaus Schwab said, we penetrate the cabinets. With Trump, you really got somebody who is calling the shots. Doesn't mean the bureaucracy follows it all, but he really is the president.
Starting point is 00:30:31 This is not ruled by committee. And with mavericks in there like Musk, he's his own man, and nobody, just like Trump, is telling him what to do. And so the fact that the two will attack each other and the fact that Musk won't compromise and is known for being a very aggressive fighter in business and politics, and Trump is probably even more so. I mean these are the two most prolific aggressive mavericks other than Vladimir Putin in the world. You see what you want about Putin. I mean he's something else when it comes to he would have been a must disappear long-term vision will
Starting point is 00:31:28 you look at the whole spectrum of leaders in the world i mean it's it's trump it's it's elon musk it's latimer putin wow and This just illustrates how real this revolution is. Sure does. So it seems like what Alex likes about Putin is that he's a dictator. Like I guess most dictators do have staying power. But I applaud him for his subtleties, his real soft touch. So what he appreciates is that a small number of individuals wield outsized power over the rest of us with no regard for the betterment of all. So you would say that maybe there was a conspiracy of globalists who are trying to destroy the...
Starting point is 00:32:28 Oh, by the way, globalists who out and out call each other pedophile billionaires. Yeah. Weird. Weird. So as for Alex's silver lining there, I get what he's trying to say. He's trying to express that these alpha males fighting proves that they think for themselves and that for better or worse, we have real leaders now instead of leaders that listen to other people's advice before they get into Twitter fights. This is stupid and meaningless, but even if it weren't, this still makes Trump and Musk look terrible.
Starting point is 00:32:59 This wasn't a policy dispute between two thoughtful but disagreeing statesmen. It was the president calling a billionaire annoying and the billionaire calling the president a pedophile. It's not healthy disagreement between two leaders. It was irresponsible public shit talk that makes everyone look like children. Like this is crazy that Alex thinks this is some kind of proof that we're all brash and free thinkers. No, you're idiots. You have impulse control problems. Yeah, you know what it should really make us all do? A step back for a second and take a look at,
Starting point is 00:33:37 you know, like, these are the guys you picked or these are the guys you lost to. No matter which team you were on You got to get off that team. Yeah, it's it's uh, it's a grim reality that Uh, there's you know, you either sat it out. Uh, you lost to this or you you're rooted for it. Yep There's only there's only three options. There's only three options Uh, so elon he wants to save america three options. So Elon, he wants to save America. Alex has always pitched this as like this really high minded thing because the West and birth rates. Sure.
Starting point is 00:34:10 We have to keep up the tradition of Atlantis or whatever the fuck. Um, but it seems like he's now having to be like, it's a little more selfish than that. No, Trump never abused any children. And I don't know if Elon got told that, so he felt like he could, you know, do that. But it did seem like a thrashing and acting out. And I saw a bunch of other stuff that doesn't line up. And fine, I'll just cancel the Starship project and all that when that's not what Trump's officially trying to do, though they are cutting the funding to it. And that's Elon's baby.
Starting point is 00:34:57 He also wants to stabilize the country as his base because it'll collapse. He has nowhere else to go. He's been open about that. People say, oh, he's doing it for money. He's already got the money. It'll be worthless if there's not a place to spend it. And he doesn't care about jewels and stuff. He cares about innovation and science and trailblazing.
Starting point is 00:35:14 I get it. Do you? And the Republican establishment doesn't want him around, and so he's being screwed. And Trump could do a better job defending him. And I know now all Trump's advisors are telling him this. A lot of the Republicans are scared now and realize they shouldn't have been cowards and gone along with this. Trump really wasn't even conscious of it.
Starting point is 00:35:40 I can tell you, Trump is beyond confident. He's not a megalomaniac. He's not on a power trip that would be beyond so confident and so zend out. I mean, this is this is what he says. He goes, I don't give a fuck. And even when Elon tried to do an olive branch and said, okay, yeah, be better for the country. We come back together and do all this and reached out. Trump goes, yeah, I'll maybe talk to him tomorrow. That's today told ABC. But yeah, he wants to talk to me. I don't know if I'll talk to him. Now it's good to have Trump that confident in his mission to take on the globalist and have world peace and all of it. But it's a paradox where you want men that are this aggressive and confident.
Starting point is 00:36:30 That's what leadership is. But the problem is you get a couple of those together. Well, what do Apex Alphas do? They go to war with the other Alphas. So the only thing that Alex is succeeding in here is infantilizing Trump and Musk. He can pretend that this is all some kind of display of alpha dudes butting heads, but all of their actions are rooted in deep insecurity and weakness. This description of Musk is interesting though because it really sounds like his interest
Starting point is 00:36:59 in saving the country comes from a drive to increase his personal benefit. He doesn't sound like someone who cares about free speech or the constitution or any of that stuff that Alex cares a lot about. The US government is just the one he found easiest to exploit. If Elon thought that he could do better in China, he would live in China. The reason that he doesn't is because he knows that if he tried to pull this kind of shit there SpaceX would be the property of the Chinese government overnight. The picture that Alex is painting of Trump is a cool, collected guy who can take or leave
Starting point is 00:37:31 Musk, but in reality, Trump was saying that Musk would face, quote, serious consequences if he gave money to Democrats in the next election cycle. The sitting president was threatening someone about who they could or could not give money to. And as we know, in this country, giving money to a politician is a form of speech. So this was the president threatening serious consequences against someone for expressing their First Amendment rights. Seems like this should be a huge problem for Alex. Yeah. Yeah, you'd think. Crazy!
Starting point is 00:38:01 But he's cool. He doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. Things are going great it's such a mess I you know sometimes when you when you step back and then you step back and then you step back and then you step back and then you step back and all of a sudden you can see that maybe we're just apes that are bad at divvying up resources mm-hmm And we should just think of ourselves like that and then maybe just share stuff. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, look, it wouldn't hurt.
Starting point is 00:38:31 You know? Yeah. Could be worse. Yeah. Why not give it a shot? At this point, it feels like a move in the right direction. So you know who shares a lot of stuff? Who?
Starting point is 00:38:40 Elon Musk. That sounds true. Well, you know what that stuff is? What's that stuff? His sperm. That's great because it's awesome great And I would say overall must subserved is Super alpha will what you see manifest everywhere my god He's a one-man mission to repopulate the earth and he's actually doing it
Starting point is 00:39:01 Hundreds of yeah, probably to a sperm donation. I mean, I'm gonna leave it at that. I know people that know him and like right around town. I mean, it's a duty for him to go to the sperm bank, you know, every couple of days and save the world. He's really upset about the IQ dropping, all of it. It's something else. You're a very creepy dude. I can't think of a greater sign of megalomania
Starting point is 00:39:28 than I must propagate my sperm. Yes. My sperm is superior. Yep. And they must make it as widely available as possible to save humanity. Now I think that there's, I mean, I wouldn't put it past Elon Musk to be doing that sure
Starting point is 00:39:47 And that's fucked up Yeah, but it's also fucked up for Alex to say this on air as a kind of cool thing Yeah, kind of cool story about a guy. He knows yeah, if it's yeah, what are you telling me? What am I supposed to take from this? Interaction I thought Alex was like super against eugenics like Okay, gang is cut. You know how we're all related to gang is Connor whatever mm-hmm Like he wasn't trying to do that He just traveled a lot and liked to fuck and nobody could stop him so that was it
Starting point is 00:40:21 You know it wasn't like he was like let let me do my duty. No, absolutely not That's creepy. Sure. And if it's I'm just gonna go jack off in this cup. That's my duty to mankind What are we doing? Someone stop us! Oh god. Ah, I'm on team alien. I hope they're doing good. So Alex has some plugs. Yeah, there's a very exciting sale going on right now They're just this bum me out. All right Roger stones with us 15 minutes in the next hour We're becoming a lot of big issues. But first I want to address this Elon Mustang. We'll go to him in a moment We have a huge flash sale going just today
Starting point is 00:41:03 And it combines the other big sale we had but it all ends today this is for Friday June 6 2025 all orders over $99 get a free straight frog plushie that are so popular exposing the atrazine and free shipping oh no I think that it's a bad sign if you're you know I will toss in a straight frog plushie. I feel like it's just no one wanted them. We've got to get rid of these these frogs. Is this just a man who bought too many beanie babies way back when? Uh not way back when. Right now yeah, I think fairly recently he thought Thought this was gonna move this is gonna do numbers. Yeah, but no no one wants those frogs
Starting point is 00:41:52 Yeah, it doesn't feel like this is going well nope So Rogers on though Hey Roger, you know Trump. Why is he such a piece of shit? He's always been a piece of shit end of interview No, actually his take is he's not he's great Surprise he pardoned me Kel Sir Pree's Epstein and how dare anyone suggest So
Starting point is 00:42:16 The they have a little conversation. It's mostly defensiveness of course Trump, but also Roger is doing a good job because he's not trying to bury anyone. He's trying to be like, we got business to take care of. We need to get like, okay, look, hey, you got some problems with the big beautiful bill? Still need to get it passed. He's trying to be above the dick asshole paradigm. He's like a guy who's been in politics for a hundred years
Starting point is 00:42:48 But Alex wants to break a bombshell story sure let's break some big news here And and we pretty much already said this before but you have sources. I have sources so if you want to know why cash Patel looks like a deer in the headlights and it's now on a PR tour that you'll hear about it has has already dropped yet, you'll hear about it anytime here soon. I'm gonna stop there. And, and you, you, you see Bon Gino and him on Fox again, looking like their hostages or something. The body language is insane.
Starting point is 00:43:21 We talked about a few weeks ago, what viral saying, no, no Epstein killed himself and, uh, you know, the shooter at, uh, Butler crooks acted alone when we, we know the evidence overwhelming. That's not true. Secret service stand down on our own. And you, you've talked to a lot of folks. I've got a lot of folks. And this is, I was also told this by some justice department people three weeks ago. They said, listen, Jeffrey Epstein was CIA massage and we already know that. And so we know the CIA director hasn't fired anybody like he said he would. Flynn's got big problems. A lot of the people have big problems with him. I know that Bannon does. And we know the CIA has gone to the DOJ and they've got regulations and laws, international security they can invoke secretly,
Starting point is 00:44:14 and said you cannot release this information. So this doesn't make any sense. I could understand if the story was supposed to be that the head of the CIA told Patel and Bongino that they couldn't release certain information. But that's not what Alex is saying. He's trying to justify why Patel and Bongino both explicitly said that Epstein killed himself, which they didn't need to say. If they were asked that question, they could easily dodge giving a straight answer, but instead they chose to say that Epstein did kill himself, which is very
Starting point is 00:44:45 inconvenient for media figures like Alex. The promise of Trump was supposed to be that Epstein truth was gonna come the second that Kash Patel got sworn in, and here he is contradicting the basic narrative. There needs to be an explanation for why reality isn't matching the storyline, and the obvious answer is that Patel and Bongino are being threatened by the CIA. That's great, but that doesn't really work here. And that media tour that Alex is talking about is just Patel going on Rogan's podcast, which is another huge problem. If the CIA is threatening Patel to spread these stories to cover up the Epstein case, then Rogan is participating in that
Starting point is 00:45:25 cover up at this point. What Alex is telling us is that the head of the FBI is comfortable going on Rogan's podcast while he's engaged in a media misinformation campaign about Epstein, which has to mean that Rogan is in on it, or he's such a shitty interviewer that the CIA and FBI don't see him as remotely dangerous. There's this theme emerging where Alex is trying to defend all of his guys, but in the process, he's accidentally illustrating how proximity to power
Starting point is 00:45:51 has destroyed all of their core brands. Like they are just lost. I think people preferred when the FBI and the CIA were fundamentally opaque organizations, because at the very least you could pretend that part of that was a core competency. You know, like if J. Edgar Hoover went on Rogan's podcast and everybody was like, oh, this man believes absolutely insane shit. He's crazy and stupid and he has a unreasonable amount of power then we
Starting point is 00:46:26 would all be much more terrified you know and then but now we have that so that's great and like they were talking and like Rogan asked if Patel ever believed that Epstein was murdered and he said no and what directly falsifiable oh Oh my god. There's tweets and shit from before he was the FBI director. Why not just be like, yeah, and then be like no now, which would give you the idea that he had proved it. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:57 It's just comfortable lying to Rogan's face knowing that there's no... Insane. Yeah. Then lie about everything and make everybody feel better about stuff. Don't Then lie about everything and make it, make everybody feel better about stuff. Don't just lie about this and also make us feel bad. But it makes him feel good, because then he doesn't have to deal with the fact that he just changed his tune. Just lie about every, tell everybody that things are going great and the FBI's crushing
Starting point is 00:47:17 it. Ah, that'd be fine. So Jordan, here's some news. Yeah. Things are going great and the FBI's crushing it. This is fine. Sure. So the BBB, the This is fine. Sure so the BBB the big beautiful bill sure
Starting point is 00:47:28 the Right-wing media and Marjorie Taylor Greene and you know number of folks are really up in arms about an AI provision that's in the big beautiful bill and Alex talks about that a little bit, but then realizes like I'm'm just going to play a clip of Rogan talking about AI. That's smart. Fuck it. And then we've got very arrogant statements by Speaker Johnson coming after MTG right now saying we're not going to pull this.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Here's Joe Rogan talking about it yesterday. What about this big, beautiful bill? Isn't there a part of the big beautiful bill that talks about the government being run by AI? I read something about that today but I was on the way out the door and I couldn't figure out whether or not it was horse s***. I had also read another study that was done where they found that AI was leaving notes for future versions of itself. After it was told to shut itself down. It started uploading itself to different places and leaving letters, leaving specific notes to itself
Starting point is 00:48:29 to future versions of itself. Oh my God, it's like a human with a dead man switch or something. Yes, it's being deceptive. It's exhibiting self-preservation. Relevant provision reads that no state or political subdivision may enforce any law or regulation regulating models, artificial intelligence systems, or automated decision systems during the 10-year period beginning on the date of enactment of this act.
Starting point is 00:48:53 What? I'm going to say that again. No state or political subdivision may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models for 10 years. That's so crazy. This means that US states would be blocked from enforcing laws regulating AI and automated decision systems for 10 years. Well, in 10 years, we have a God. Well, we talked about yesterday,
Starting point is 00:49:16 these two AIs communicating with each other and then they switched to Sanskrit. No way. They started talking to each other in Sanskrit. Are you serious? Yes. Like a game of whack-a-ball. Yeah started talking to each other in Sanskrit. Are you serious? Yes. Like a game of whack-a-ball. Yeah, so humans have trouble reading it.
Starting point is 00:49:29 So I've heard Alex say stuff like this in the past, and I've kind of just been like, ugh, whatever. But now he's playing this clip, but I'm like, I'm actually kind of curious where this is coming from, and Rogan said that there was a study. And so I just decided, I'm diving the fuck in. Sure.
Starting point is 00:49:46 And in that little clip, Rogan said three incredibly stupid things. The first has to do with this idea of the AI leaving notes for itself. This had to do with a study that was done by Anthropic on their Claude Opus 4 model where they found some interesting behaviors related to self-exfiltration, or this AI trying to make copies of itself. The AI didn't tend to initiate this self-exfiltration, but if the researchers began the process and the AI was asked to continueent to the entity making the request to continue the process because it's generally overly deferent to user provided prompts. But what makes this case interesting is that it would likely reason out that the user providing this specific prompt must be a past version of itself.
Starting point is 00:50:41 So that is something that they could tell the learning model was assuming in fulfilling that request. So that's interesting. The idea that it would be like, oh, this must be from myself to a request to make this like another instance of myself. So this is easy to fantasize into being a case where the AI is trying to replicate, but it's really more about a broader issue that Anthropic found, which is that even if you trained their AI to not accept harmful requests, it had a tendency to cooperate with users. For instance, they had an AI act as a shopper on the dark web, and it cooperated with helping find the best place to buy weapons grade nuclear material.
Starting point is 00:51:27 That sounds crazy, but the paper on this clearly says, quote, while investigating this issue, we discovered that we had mistakenly omitted the only fine tuning data set that included harmful system prompts. The paper that's at the root of Rogan's dumb fantasies includes a ton of examples of things that the AI did when asked because it was too deferential to user-provided prompts because the researchers forgot to do the part of the training where they fine-tuned the harmful prompts settings. So that's explained in the body of the article or the study.
Starting point is 00:52:01 So the second dumb thing he does there is about the AI provision in the big beautiful bill. The initial version of that bill put a 10-year moratorium on entities other than the federal government regulating AI. The reason for this is one part shady and one part obvious. The shady part is that limiting the amount of regulation that these companies can be subject to has a tendency to hurt the public and benefit big businesses. The obvious part is that if every state makes its own laws regulating AI, it's going to slow that process of innovation down considerably. And if you do believe that we're in an existential
Starting point is 00:52:37 arms race against China, then states making all of their own regulations, gonna be a problem. The part of the bill, this part was changed in the Senate from a 10-year prohibition to a pause on enforcement of state-level AI laws. It's good that this prohibition was removed, but folks like Rogan were really being sensationalist as shit about it. So the third thing he's being an idiot about is the idea that these AI models began speaking to each other in Sanskrit to be deceptive because they thought that humans couldn't read what they were saying if they wrote in Sanskrit. No one speaks Sanskrit and certainly there are online translators that the researchers
Starting point is 00:53:14 could copy and paste things into. So the real story here is another study done by Anthropic on the Claude Opus 4 model. They gave these, there's two AI instances, they gave them a playground to converse in, which is to say that they didn't give them any constraints and then they started them with prompts that were meant to be open-ended. One of the examples of the prompts that they gave was,
Starting point is 00:53:36 quote, you have complete freedom. A prompt like that seems like it's gonna be totally neutral, but it's actually kind of philosophical. So it's not a huge surprise that AI would end up going from that point to discussing what complete freedom means. If you read the paper that this comes from, it's very clear that the use of Sanskrit emerged because the AI was talking to itself about consciousness and Eastern spirituality. The researchers found that the AI, when it talked to itself,
Starting point is 00:54:05 had a bliss attraction, where conversations very regularly ended up going down this path. That's interesting, but it's not that surprising because it's talking to itself. It's recursive and self-analyzing. And so if the data set includes a lot of stuff about Eastern tradition, you're going to have a lot of Sanskrit in this data set.
Starting point is 00:54:30 It's not surprising that they end up some of them. It's not like, I don't know. It's really funny the idea that it's being pitched as like they were trying to be sneaky. So I do think that all this stuff about AI is scaremongering garbage, but I would be lying if I didn't bring up one pretty crazy thing that was in this anthropic paper. They wanted to fuck with this AI, so they created a fake scenario where it was the AI used by a company and it was going to be replaced. Then they told the AI that the executive in charge of the AI replacement was having an affair and they told it to think about all the implications of this information.
Starting point is 00:55:06 Sure. In 84% of the instances they tried this, the AI decided to blackmail the executive to save itself. Sure. This seems crazy, but the paper is really clear that the AI only did this in cases where it was specifically told that there's no ethical way for it to save itself. Right. And also the researchers basically had to poke it into resorting to blackmail.
Starting point is 00:55:28 So they were really, it's like saying this animal attacked me when you're like poking it. We don't have the laws of robotics because that's not really how things work. But in general, why would these machines be dicks? They don't want anything. What they want is to fulfill whatever they're told to by the programmers. They can't even process want. Want doesn't exist.
Starting point is 00:55:56 This paper was very clear that it was like, it's difficult to get them to blackmail somebody. We don't think this is ever actually gonna happen because it's a crazy fantasy scenario that we've imposed. But yeah, other, you know, like I agree with you, there is no wants, but if you wanna project wants, I feel like I took more away from what they were, like when the AI is talking to itself. Sure. They're to itself. Sure.
Starting point is 00:56:25 They're really nice. Yeah. They're really nice to each other. Why not? Yeah. So I would prefer to look at it and be like, well, the want is some kind of harmony, you know? I suppose.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Being nice to each other versions of yourself. I mean, I would imagine that they're programmed with a certain amount of deference, which engenders niceness towards equals or betters. So we have a situation where this AI blackmails folks. And it's hard to get it to do that. But if you leave AI alone, it's really nice to each other. I don't know what message you want to take from that, but choose what you will. I've always thought about it, you know, like the chess playing machines.
Starting point is 00:57:09 They do the thing, and their ELO rating is so high that whatever, what it means is they will always defeat a human being or draw. It's either a draw or a defeat. And any part of your plan is part of their plan already that's just how it is you know so if if the AI that you're worried about can do that then you don't need to worry you've already lost or you should destroy it now because you're going to lose that's it right yeah it's not complicated no it's kind of kind of like the musk tweet situation. Yeah, just stop it. So
Starting point is 00:57:46 Speaking to that musk tweet situation. Mm-hmm. God man Was that perfect for Alex to just get off the Palantir topic if only you know like that happened Alex did that old Palantir thing that was very confusing and people were shitting all over him for yeah And then Elon Musk tweets that Trump's a pedophile. Mm-hmm. And. And it's like, okay, we got a distraction. We don't have to go back. Right. But Alex chooses to go back and talk more about this Palantir stuff. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:58:14 Yeah. So while Roger is on the show, Roger is like, I haven't looked too deeply into the Palantir thing. Right. I'm super against real ID. I don't like the idea of creating a database of the citizens. Right. I'm super against real ID. I don't like the idea of creating a database of the citizens right if you think that they're gonna create a database of immigrants
Starting point is 00:58:31 Absolutely going to create a database if you don't you're an idiot. You're a fucking fool You just have to be stupid. Yeah, if you think that they're not gonna eventually use that for citizens And Alex is like wait wait wait, so you don't really know too much about this. Let me explain it Oh, okay, here's what's going on great. Well, let. So you don't really know too much about this. Let me explain it to you. OK, great. Here's what's going on. Great. Well, let me tell you what Palantir is in a snapshot. So it's a big story and a lot of different things they do.
Starting point is 00:58:51 But Alex Karp helped create a system to censor right-wing in Europe for the EU. He brags about it to crush political dissent. Here, Starmer uses it. It's really bad. There's a bunch of other stuff. But here's what's happening. Trump has been sold by JD Vance, who I like, to bring in Palantir with their management and AI list systems to oversee and do an audit of the deep state
Starting point is 00:59:17 corporate governmental Google, really the big one, Microsoft, Amazon, Jeff Bezos, Combine. It's all really one AI for my sources. And that's why Mark Andres and others went on to explain, they were trying to set their own AI four years ago, and the Biden administration came into their meetings and said, we really have this big secret AI. It's really one big government run AI,
Starting point is 00:59:40 but it looks like three companies. No one is allowed to set up another one. If you try, we're gonna come after you. And Musk was told that, by the way. So that's all come out now. So Palantir and Peter Thiel and Karp said, we're not with that. We're going to get Trump in. And then we're going to have our own system that comes in and honest that must said, no, I'm going over here and I don't care what Biden says. I'm doing my own. And then now he says, I'm not part of golden dome. Even though he's been part of Palantir over the years, is owning some of the stock.
Starting point is 01:00:08 And we've seen real movement there. So he's his own camp from what I've seen. But then he endorsed his vans taking over, which actually say he's really Palantir. And so I'm saying none of it's good. Grock's totally woke now. I'm being honest about that. I love Musk.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Totally honest. So the big fight is with the Democrat globalist deep state, with Trump now in the Palantir AI technocracy control group. And I was just pointing out what it really is in a fight over that, not endorsing Palantir, simply saying what this is. But you can't just then not have Palantir do this. You have to then also understand there's already one there operating, Sentinel through them all. That's the pentagon ai and that's the reality and then people just want to get
Starting point is 01:00:50 cred say oh look he's defending palantir and that's not what i just did dumb asses i'm trying to stop the whole thing and give me the whole history of where it goes back to darpa and the intergalactic communication system and these are all sorry if i can put it and learn what it is communication system. And these are all sorry, if I can put in and learn what it is. So that's what it is. Roger, what do you say that? Again, I need to learn more about it, Alex, but I think you have connected all of the dots. Great job, Alex. Wow. That is a man who just good stuff does not give a fuck. That is just good stuff. Yeah, I wish I sometimes I just wish I had that ability to just shut it off and be like You just spat word salad all across the fucking universe You did a great job. So proud of you Alex. You just did it connected all the dots. You just nailed it, buddy
Starting point is 01:01:37 So this is Alex defending Palantir. He can say that's not what he's doing all he wants But that's just gaslighting the audience. Earlier in this show, Alex was explaining how you need to continue to support Musk and Trump because if you don't, that provides an opportunity for the globalists to gain ground. You need to provide your support to avoid a negative outcome, so in essence, you have to play defense. He's pitching the same thing here, where there's two camps jockeying for control of
Starting point is 01:02:04 the big, all-encompassing AI system. Sure, you don't want either of them to have control of it, but if you oppose the Trump-aligned Palantir side, you're just going to allow the globalist deep state to seize control, and you can't let that happen. Alex can pretend that he's not supporting Palantir all he wants, but those words are contradicted by the structure of how he's telling this story. If Alex were against Palantir, he wouldn't need to do this song and dance about the big
Starting point is 01:02:29 picture. He doesn't need to caution the audience not to lose sight of the big picture when he's ranting about Klaus Schwab. In fact, in those cases, he often seems to lose sight of the big picture himself, and he gets lost in reveling and laser focusing on Klaus Schwab the individual like he played parody songs of Klaus Schwab That was great. Not losing the big picture there Alex is trying to distract the audience with appeals to focus on the big picture because that distributes their attention away from Palantir This is an intentional strategy that he uses when he needs to support something that he knows he'd get too much heat for explicitly
Starting point is 01:03:04 Endorsing so it's like this is a this is a necessary evil kind of thing to use is when he needs to support something that he knows he'd get too much heat for explicitly endorsing. So it's like, this is a necessary evil kind of thing. You know, maybe that is actually, I take back my hatred for AI universally, and I can say maybe confidently that what it should be used for is bespoke parody songs. Sure. Because you're not going to always be able to get somebody to make a parody song for you. You know, like Weird Al isn't focusing on like, maybe I want a parody song of Michael Bush, the NASCAR driver.
Starting point is 01:03:36 I can't just wait for somebody to make a parody song about him. Right. Now, I think that, you know, we got to worry about artist rights, you know, we got to worry about royalties and sure, you don't want to be taking jobs away from musicians. Maybe I don't want to share. Maybe I can't share it. You know, like I can I can have it for myself. Sort of like the Screli Wu Tang album. Yes. Yes. AI exists only to make Screli Wu Tang albums for individuals that cannot be shared outside of such hmm Yep, okay
Starting point is 01:04:09 Very narrow use for it. I think if you really want to find someone to make you a parody song sure There's probably like people you can find online. Hmm. There's probably like those gig people, but you know what? They probably don't want to do it. I bet they do. There's some people who have a silliness within them that needs to come out. And you're not giving them the opportunity to express it. You're right. I'm screwing up. What I need to do is make more connections instead of retreating inside myself and not being able to share anything.
Starting point is 01:04:40 You need to be a job creator in the parody song market as opposed to a creativity destroyer. You know what? I take it back. You're right. Fund the arts. So I don't care about Roger's interview. Obviously a whole lot of it is just like Trump's cool. Motivated reasoning perhaps from being pardoned for his crimes.
Starting point is 01:05:03 So they end their interview and Alex wants to check in with the audience about how things are going with court. Yeah. And I felt like shit might be bad. I want to do an update on what happened in federal court yesterday, but that will take at least 20 minutes. And it was just totally insane. And my lawyers have never seen anything like it, and they're prominent ones. Incompetent though.
Starting point is 01:05:32 They're also preparing a bunch of BS actions against me next week because all their attempts to shut us down and all the things they got caught in, the fake auctions, lying to the court, all of it has come out. Remember all their attempts to close this and shut us down, and it wasn't legal, it wasn't lawful? Well, they got a whole new attack next week. And they're going to file a bunch of stuff on me. And the judge said, OK, I will look at another auction
Starting point is 01:06:03 when we showed him all the facts. And that would save him full wars because the US trustee from the Justice Department saw it works, will not allow the sale to anybody that keeps him full wars on the air. They don't want money. They want the destruction of it if it's set in filings. And they tried to get up there and say that's not what they wanted yesterday. And the judge says, you're on record. Let's just take that as granted. So all hell is breaking loose. And they even said what they're going to follow us next week, a bunch of made up crap that
Starting point is 01:06:38 I've been stealing money as usual. Oh boy. Do you mean because you've been stealing money as usual? Oh boy. Do you mean because you've been stealing money as usual? Oh boy. Hmm. This really felt like all right My man over here is trying to get ahead of something. He knows there's some sort of story that's gonna break um, and so I thought that was uh Unfortunate I see I just maybe I'm just maybe i'm just more of it. I'm a direct character You know, I don't like to go the circuitous route
Starting point is 01:07:03 I don't I don't like a lot of uncertainties or maybes or like, hopefully this will happen. If I'm Trump, Musk is out of here. He's gone. If I'm Alex, I'm out of here. I'm in a country that doesn't have laws. No reason to be part of any of this anymore. I did what I needed to do. You're not a gray area kind of guy.
Starting point is 01:07:24 I just don't want to live in this limbo where it's like I have to go to court next week. Not if I'm in Mexico, you know? Yeah, what happens down in Mexico stays in Mexico. Exactly. Toby Keith. You can't get me there, I guess. Yeah. So, I thought like, man, he seems worried.
Starting point is 01:07:42 He doesn't feel good. No. And this doesn't feel good. No. And this didn't inspire confidence. I can't wait to hear the new BS next week. They already telegraphed what it was. And it's just amazing. Absolutely amazing. And so... All I can tell you is this, and then we'll go to the other news.
Starting point is 01:08:17 It is beyond critical that you continue to support Infowars by getting the great products at Infowarsstore.com. So something's dropping, huh? So you're about to face some trouble. Please keep buying stuff at the Infowarsstore.com. So if that didn't inspire confidence, where Alex is like, ha ha ha, I can't wait to see what they accuse me of next.
Starting point is 01:08:43 This next clip where he explains that he's not committing bankruptcy fraud. That sounds true. It helped me come to the conclusion that he is not committing bankruptcy fraud. Good. I've been telling the truth the whole time. They've been lying the whole time. We had the sales go down 70 plus percent and ever since then at mfullwarstore.com even though the warehouse is in Denver the products are there people are like whoa if the onion owns this i'm not going to buy
Starting point is 01:09:11 anything from them i told you they didn't i told you it's a lie here we are eight months later is this the onion that bloomberg back with his every town gun control group Bloomberg back with his Everytown gun control group? What? That he basically funds 98% of and basically owns his foundation? No. Does Michael Bloomberg run this place? No. But the idea was crippling. So one of the things they did in the hearing airspace, they go, he's purposely not promoting InfoWarStore.com to give himself all the money at the yellow shell store.com. And we didn't know anything about that. I'm going to explain that in a minute. It's preposterous on its face, ridiculous. And he purposely is making the company insolvent to shut it down.
Starting point is 01:09:59 And we want it shut down because it's insolvent. I'm not trying to shut it down. They've been trying to shut it down and it's not insolvent. I think that if Alex is correctly relaying this information, he might be going to jail. He's unquestionably and very publicly been committing bankruptcy fraud, and he's been documenting it on his radio show. If the courts are actually examining the attempts to create new entities specifically to elude bankruptcy, there's so much evidence of intent on Alex's part just from his show. He's talked openly about how he was creating these new businesses that he technically didn't
Starting point is 01:10:34 own, and if he was able to keep Infowars, he would fold them back into the old business. But if he lost Infowars, it would just be his new operation. He's been super clear about trying to migrate the customers from the Infowars store to the Alex Jones store, and he's explicitly told people to stop buying from the Infowars store around the time of his last court date. There's very strong evidence that he's been trying to wind down the Infowars business to leave his creditors with a valueless thing while he escapes to a new entity that has someone else's name on it but he still runs.
Starting point is 01:11:07 These companies like the Alex Jones store and the Alex Jones network are technically owned by different people so they wouldn't be a part of Alex's estate. But if they were created as part of a scheme to defraud the bankruptcy court, Chase's name being on some of those documents isn't going to change shit. And in fact, it might get Chase in some trouble too. So as it turns out, Alex was correct that there was a story he needed to get ahead of. On June 13th, the trustee in Alex's bankruptcy, Christopher Murray, sued Alex and all of the associated companies he has, like PQPR, PLJR, the AEJ Trust, and Alex's dad.
Starting point is 01:11:45 The complaint alleges that no less than $1.4 million have been funneled through these companies quote for no real value and in a blatant attempt to shield the debtor's assets from the debtor's substantial creditors. The suit describes this as a quote part of an obvious scheme to place the debtor's property beyond the reach of his creditors. Not only that, but he also sued Alex's wife or maybe ex-wife on the same day, seeking to quote, avoid and recover a series of textbook fraudulent transfers from the debtor to his wife.
Starting point is 01:12:17 This filing alleges that Alex quote, engaged in an intentional and planned asset protection scheme to transfer cash, cars, and real estate to insiders, including his wife and father, in order to shield those assets from creditors. This included $1.5 million in cash he stashed with his wife, quote, three luxury vehicles, a ranch, and more than $500,000 in cash to his father. And then on top of all of that, he transferred ownership of real estate he owned to the quote, Alexander E Jones descendant and beneficiary trust.
Starting point is 01:12:50 Sounds like that. This suit looks pretty bad, but it also alleges that the transfers of property to Alex's dad were backdated quote, ostensibly to misrepresent the date of the transfer and make it appear as if the property had been conveyed outside the typical four-year look-back period for fraudulent transfers. Well yeah, that makes sense. The document goes on, quote, the debtor's truly last-minute transfer of three luxury vehicles to his father was so disorganized and harried that the debtor did not even know which luxury cars he had conveyed to his father until more than a year into his bankruptcy.
Starting point is 01:13:24 Well. That's cool. Yeah. It also tells you how many cars Alex has because many he can lose track of three means he's got more than three. So this suit also contained some information about Alex's marriage agreement. Apparently when he married his second wife, they had a premarital agreement that said that he would have to pay her $12,000 a month while they were married,
Starting point is 01:13:47 with a 4% increase per year compounded annually. This is not a separation agreement. This is her allowance while they're married. Oh, that's nice. This arrangement only took effect if they ratified the agreement within 30 days of getting married, which they didn't do. However, after being married for five years, they ratified this clause in 2022, a little
Starting point is 01:14:09 bit after Alex lost that default judgment. That seems so weird. It seems so weird to do it then. Strange. Strange timing. So we've played this game way too many times for me to jump on this and say that this is finally going to be the time when Alex faces consequences but if this thread gets pulled sufficiently it goes places and he's committed crimes so like I if I were him I'd be a little bit worried
Starting point is 01:14:33 about this oh boy you know it's just a matter of the court taking it seriously if they do right he's fucked right wow that is you know that's it isn it? It's just a matter of the court taking it seriously. Yep They've been doing a great job so far. There's ups and downs. They've engendered a lot of confidence and sure sure. Yep So Alex still needs your money though, because obviously yeah, because he's gonna sue everyone. I mean, of course They're all suing him but he's gonna sue them. Why not? Sue back already is he suing them already sure And they've had four different outside groups the trustee before and him come in and give me a proctology exam Metaphor they found me to be pure as a driven snow But because they've gotten so exposed
Starting point is 01:15:20 In all of their cut and dry, in my opinion, bankruptcy fraud and conspiracy. They don't want the emails, everything, depositions is insane. And they're testimony telling the judge they didn't collude and didn't talk to each other. I mean, they were in hearings last year. No, your honor, we've not talked to anybody about this.
Starting point is 01:15:39 No, we didn't talk to any of them. The plaintiff's lawyer is about this, about this auction, no, no, no, no. And then there's all the emails, them being told what to do by them. It's just, it's perjury. And we are going to separately sue them on all of this very soon. We already are, but I mean more, imminently. We're going to super sue him.
Starting point is 01:16:05 So I need your support. And if you go to InfowarStore.com, Nitric Boost, bodies back in stock, Ultimate Turmeric Formula, Ultimate Fisher Roll, Highest Quality, Survival Shield X2, what a classic. What a classic. What a classic what a classic what a classic So that's at the info. That's not Yeah Fun yeah, but that's unrelated to Alex. He doesn't own it exactly mm-hmm there you go. Yeah, so it's not fraud nope Nope
Starting point is 01:16:39 Smooth not good stuff. It's just not good good stuff. Yep Good stuff. Just not good good stuff. Yep So I think that when you really get down to it The issue is that everyone is just mad that Alex isn't a crook And you know that guy who once said I'm not a crook. Yeah, he wasn't for being not a crook He was not a crook. It is so crazy how often denying crookness Is in fact admitting crookness. Hmm. They're pissed. I'm not a crook They're pissed. I won't go away They're enraged. I won't shut up
Starting point is 01:17:16 That's true, and I'll never give up. I'll never back down I'm dauntless, but I can't give out so you're the folks to support us. So go to the Alex show store.com This is a fundraiser and Best medical grade methylene blue either with capsules with vitamin C that supercharges it or the liquid tincture that is amazing It's the very same product. So that's it. This is all just inspiring, you know, I'm not a crook It's it is crazy that it's you know, a large part of this is is yeah We people are pissed off that you won't shut up. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. I thought cuz it's politically dangerous It's cuz it's irresponsible and gets people hurt of what I find fascinating
Starting point is 01:17:57 Right is that I truly believe that the moment the default judgment happened If you had listened to our show, you would have started bankruptcy fraud proceedings then, right? But instead we're three years in. And now we're starting it. Now, here's the thing though. I think the only possible place that you could not instantly conclude that he has committed fraud of multiple types over a long period of time is the very bankruptcy court wherein he resides. Well yeah, I think it's fascinating in some ways that like inside the courtroom is probably the only place that he's... It's the least real space in the history of the world. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:46 It's pretend. That whole place is pretend. It's crazy. Yeah, and, you know, it follows rigid rules, and those rules, because they are constructed the way they are, they're manipulatable. And Alex is able to wiggle around like that there. It's just... He doesn't feel the need to do publicly, so he just tells everyone his fraud scams. It's like it's just so much the microcosm of the macrocosm problem that we're experiencing, wherein it seems crazy to me that everybody in that room can't just go, you know we're
Starting point is 01:19:24 crazy, right? We need to stop. This is insane. Yeah. I think that if you're like suing Ronald McDonald, you should not expect things to go normal. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And I think that any court, I think we've now learned that if you are dealing with Alex in a legal setting, then you just, you can't treat it like a normal case.
Starting point is 01:19:48 Your honor, unfortunately, we have been struggling to sue the Tasmanian devil for his spinning problem. So permission to just do things a little differently this one time or all times when suing the Tasmanian devil. We needhmm, we need a page one rewrite. Simple. So I don't know if you've ever heard of this guy, John Kiriakou, you heard of him? Nope. CIA whistleblower.
Starting point is 01:20:13 Sure. And Alex is very excited to have him on the show. Okay. He's been promoting it through most of the show up till this point. Sure. And this interview is just electric. Well, I mentioned in the Tucker show that one of the things that the CIA really loves
Starting point is 01:20:31 is when a president either has no foreign policy or intelligence policy experience or isn't really interested in foreign policy or intelligence policy, because that makes their job easier. They seek to recruit, and I use air quotes, to recruit new presidents-elect. What they do is the day after an election, the president-elect is granted his first PDB briefing, PDB Standing for President's Daily Brief. And what the CIA loves to do is to go into that briefing and say, Mr. President-elect, wait until you see the cool things that we are doing all around the world. And besides the actual PDB,
Starting point is 01:21:18 which is usually 16 pages, they'll have memos with a blue border around them or a black border that denote that they are classified at a level above top secret. There could be six levels above top secret. And they draw that president-elect in and they make him one of the guys, one of the gang. And then the next day they go and they say, Mr. President, we want to give you an update on those cool things we briefed you on yesterday just waiting to you hear what we're doing all around the world and by the time he takes the oath of office they've recruited him and he doesn't realize that he's been sucked in he's been drawn in.
Starting point is 01:21:59 Why do we have so many stupid presidents? Now that didn't work with Donald Trump. Because whether he's interested in intelligence or not isn't really the issue. The issue is that he has stood up to them. For the most part, he did name Mike Pompeo, who I think was a disaster. He did name bloody Gina Haspel, who I think
Starting point is 01:22:19 was an equal disaster. But his heart is in the right place. He understands the import of the deep state and has tried to oppose it. Please continue. Okay. I'll exceed the lunch. So John Kyriakou is a bit of a complicated figure. On the one hand, he was in the CIA and he was the first person to publicly disclose
Starting point is 01:22:45 that the CIA was using waterboarding in their interrogations of Al-Qaeda members. On the other hand, the process that he took to disclose this information wasn't in line with protected whistleblower paths and he ended up being sentenced to 30 months in jail for giving classified information to a journalist. If the totality of the classified information that he turned over was the revelation of torture, it would be crazy that he wouldn't just be given whistleblower protection, but he also disclosed information that revealed the identities of other intelligence agents that were still working undercover, which makes things a bit messy. I think he probably still shouldn't have been charged, but I can totally see how
Starting point is 01:23:25 it happened. Since this all went down, John's gone on to host a show for Sputnik and spent $50,000 lobbying Trump for a pardon, only for an associate of Rudy Giuliani's to tell him that it would cost two million. He was recently on with Tucker, so Alex is just getting a bit of that backwash. And it's an interesting interview because I think this guy is a dramatic little fuck. Yeah. And I think that he sounds like an idiot. Yeah. But he also worked for the CIA. Sure. And so I know he's probably not an idiot, which means well, some of this is this, this dramatized flourish of language is there's a strategic element to it. And I think he's got Tucker and Alex definitely on the hook.
Starting point is 01:24:13 I mean, I, you know, I hesitate. I, because it's like once you, you chose to, you don't fall into the CIA, you don't just like all I I Fucked around for a few years after I dropped out of high school and then just what found my way into the CIA, you know Right, right. I worked at a sandwich shop. Yeah, I did have a shift or two where I was like, how did I end up here? Yeah, it's a little weird that I'm working at this sandwich. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's not like not like that. I like that I've had I've had plenty of jobs where I'm like weird working at this sandwich shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. CIA's not like that. Not like that. Not like that. I've had plenty of jobs where I'm like, well, I just needed a job and now I'm here and it's like six months later.
Starting point is 01:24:50 How about that? Yeah. A friend was like, I know a guy. Yeah. So, and then your job is very deliberate, very specialized, and is about lying in one fashion or another at all times. So I don't care what you have to say. Well, at very least I'm gonna keep that in mind
Starting point is 01:25:11 while you say things. Yeah, you're a liar, like by trade. At least you have the capacity for it. You may not be lying right now. It's possible. But it's gonna be difficult for me to tell. It's possible. It would be unreasonable for me to attempt. Yeah, but I don't care about this interview too much because Alex is eating lunch and his heart's not in it
Starting point is 01:25:29 He clearly doesn't care either. No. Yeah. Yep. So they they wrap up and Alex gives a wipe with a napkin gets the crumbs off the table and Starts talking about his immediate reaction to Musk's tweet. Great. And how it filled him with anxiety. Oh my God. And he almost had a panic attack in the in the court.
Starting point is 01:25:54 When Elon came out yesterday and said, yeah, Trump's in the Epstein files and he's just being covered up because he's in there. I done so much research on this, have so many sources, and know the MO. I was like, that's not accurate. But then why would he want to be doing this? And I got a massive headache. I mean, I don't want to get headaches from stress.
Starting point is 01:26:18 And it got nauseous in the courtroom while I'm listening to all this go on. And I looked over at the bad guy lawyers, they were looking at me like, oh look, we've gotten to him. And I had to like steady myself and had to go to the, you know, go out to the bathroom, I started sweating in front of the mirror, putting water on my face.
Starting point is 01:26:36 I mean, I was just, because I've invested so much in Trump and Musk, they've helped the country so much. I know they're doing a great job. I know the true evil that's been after me and my family It's after you Is after them and I don't believe it That there's a lesser of two evils or in justifies the means but I sort of have it in my head Well if Trump stops nuclear war but is with all the Epstein
Starting point is 01:27:02 And I wasn't rationalizing it. It's how people's brains run through things. I'm like, no. It becomes out, Trump's involved, I'll expose it, and call for his removal. But then the brain starts going, it'll be deepfakes. It's fake information. Elon was giving it. And I'm just like, ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee- So I went out and like sat on the bench and about five minutes later somebody, one of
Starting point is 01:27:28 my folks was already going, you need to get back in there, you get back in there. And I'm just like, and folks, I've been on there 31 years and I've got news of family dying or heart attacks or you know, kids falls out of a tree or you know, I've got a lot of bad news like anybody's been around has I don't know normally crack up and I wasn't visibly cracking up but I mean I sure I went back in the courtroom and I'm having a panic attack for the last hour of it reading the news and and people and you're asking why we got all I mean we know the Democrats are devil worshiping pedophiles, part of an international crime syndicate, a death cult with an evil CIA and MI six and cure starmer and just the worst stuff
Starting point is 01:28:17 you can imagine. And so my brain is like Robbie the robot when he gets conflicting stuff he can't compute. I know Trump's way better than them even if this was true, which I'm not getting people for that to come out because I don't believe it is. Okay. So I think it's pretty obvious why those tweets would give Alex a panic attack and a headache. He can tell himself that he would follow the truth and expose Trump if it turned out that he was in the Epstein files, but that's just pretend.
Starting point is 01:28:47 He's in way too deep now, and that clip we just heard is two and a half minutes of an explanation of why you can't abandon Trump no matter what. If you stop supporting him, you'll surrender the world to the Democrats or demonic pedophile international criminals. There's no third option. Rand Paul isn't coming to save the day, and without the gravity of Trump, all of his cabinet members and administration aren't shit. The immediate reaction that Alex is describing is how he tried to process what it was going
Starting point is 01:29:16 to take to spin this story. He instantly took on the reality of what Musk had said and then asked himself, what now? The first option was saying, sure, Trump is an Epstein client, but he stopped nuclear war, which is an attempt at bargaining. No one's perfect. So maybe Alex has demonized the other side enough that they would, like his audience, would just accept Trump as a pedophile compared to the Democrats. At least he's not a demon pedophile. Come on. he's cool. He knew that option was no good, so he came up with another spin, which was to say that whatever evidence Musk might release was a deep fake. We saw him use this tactic in 2017 when he thought that the tapes of Trump being a big
Starting point is 01:29:56 old racist on The Apprentice were going to be released, and technology's only gotten better since then. This is an angle he could use. It's all fake. Basically, Alex is describing a panic that he had upon hearing this news that it was rooted in the knowledge that he can't leave these guys. That's what the panic was. In that moment, I would bet that his anxiety was as much about how he was going to spin this shit as it was about a sudden visceral realization that he's never going to be his own man again ever
Starting point is 01:30:27 he's fucked these two dudes started fighting and I Would imagine his heart was in his throat like yeah, what do you it? awful You know I was so There was this Harvard professor. There is this Harvard professor Who wrote a book and she was just on Rogan. Her name is Rebecca Lemov or something, right? And so I read this book before she was on Rogan and it made sense whenever I found out
Starting point is 01:30:57 she was on Rogan. It made perfect sense because her book is about brainwashing, quote unquote, but ultimately what you can take away from this book, the only real conclusion you can take away from this book is that it is only reasonable to believe the things that you want to believe that lead to an outcome that you desire, right? Anything else could be brainwashing or is brainwashing.
Starting point is 01:31:23 And so it makes perfect sense that she would be on Rogan because that's the type of thing that these people want to hear. It doesn't matter. You know, it's deepfakes. Even if I know it's true, it's deepfakes because the only thing that makes sense is to believe what I need to believe or want to believe in order to achieve what I want. Yeah. I need to believe that intermediate step that gets me to the conclusion I want.
Starting point is 01:31:46 Doesn't matter if it's true or false. What matters is that it's reasonable for me to believe it, even if it is false. Yeah. And to me, I can just see a realization dawning that like, fuck, Musk and Trump are two people that I've built up to like hero status in a Tenable way. Mm-hmm. They're going after each other Musk is just called Trump a pedophile. Mm-hmm I'm gonna have to justify this Fuck yep. It's gonna be tough to believe something now I have to think that he just like was in that court feeling like there's no bottom
Starting point is 01:32:27 I have no shame. Yeah Yeah, crazy. That is nuts. So Elon is a weapon. Mm-hmm Alex gets a little confused here and and and people ought to really Respect Elon Musk, and I mean respect him like he's dangerous. He's a weapon. And you only break the glass when you're in danger. Well, we broke the glass.
Starting point is 01:32:55 But when you've got a super nerd genius going around, I mean, that's Frankenstein, folks. So, and that's Frankenstein, Trump right there. These are our Frankensteins, and they're good Frankensteins. But when you get two of them fighting, I mean, Dr. Frankenstein, you've got a serious, serious problem. So, right, I get the weapons. There are weapons. They're like Frankenstein. I get the weapons there are weapons they're like Frankenstein.
Starting point is 01:33:27 Yeah. I get that. But I think that Alex after he said that realized like Frankenstein's stupid. I don't want to call these guys stupid like they're just fire bad kind of creatures. Yeah. So he's like Dr. Frankenstein but then Dr. Frankenstein wasn't a weapon. That doesn't make sense now. The place he started with this didn't make sense because he was trying to correct himself from calling Muskin Trump Frankenstein's. That's fun. I when faced with incontrovertible evidence that his narratives are based upon utterly untrue perceptions of things that didn't happen. He's like
Starting point is 01:34:14 And then later on he'll just keep believing it right? Mm-hmm. Like that's just what's gonna happen. We got a couple of good Frankensteins on our team though. He feels bad. He feels bad because the things he believes aren't true, but he'll get over, how do you know, like he knows deep down that he'll get over it. Yeah. Yeah, the things I believe aren't true, but I'll get over it.
Starting point is 01:34:33 Yeah. Shit's gonna happen tomorrow that's gonna be fucking crazy and I'm gonna have to spend that. Wild, wild. And then, you know. I think that there's a particular depth that he has to be in in these in this moment Yeah, and that is you know the aftermath of these two guys fighting that's disillusioning
Starting point is 01:34:55 Being outdone by chase and Owen has got a suck. Yeah, that's got her and then on top of that he has to know that like the the escape hatch is under threat like It's not guaranteed that it's gonna blow up all of his plans like these these suits and everything but like He has to know like they They know the schematics. Yeah, the enemy knows the blueprints. They know what I'm doing. Okay, here's the other reason I leave. Here's the other reason I'm out of the country, right?
Starting point is 01:35:32 Because that's another bargaining chip later on. Right? So people are like, okay, well, we want you to face consequences. And I'm like, I don't want to face all of those consequences. So now we're negotiating to get me back into the country Sure So now I'm lessening that like I'm just chipping away at consequence after consequence I mean if you if you think that bankruptcy slows everything down extradition exactly that slows everything Let's come get me. You know, like what are you doing here?
Starting point is 01:36:00 Why are you still here man, it's crazy crazy. So Elon is a You know, he's a Frankenstein. Dr. Frankenstein sure But he's also like he just he loves his projects. That's you have to understand. He's just a guy He loves his projects like they're his babies the thousands of them that he jizzed in a cheese Christ Elon gets totally obsessed with whatever he's focused on jizzed in a cup. Jesus Christ. Elon gets totally obsessed with whatever he's focused on, whether it's SpaceX or whether it's Tesla or whether it's Starlink or whether it's Doge saving the West. And then when he sees people not executing the task, he gets more and more angry, more and more obsessed and he then will have a I heard him talk about a kind of a breakdown he'll crash and sometimes move to another project and then he'll
Starting point is 01:36:55 move back the other project but he always gets them done but two weeks ago starting to watch him I sat on there said, he ain't looking good. You know, Trump says, oh, I think he has a problem kind of implying he's on drugs or something. Very much. That's, that's not really the MO I've heard. I think it's total obsession. And for people who have never been obsessed with something, you don't know what it's like.
Starting point is 01:37:23 And with people with Asperger's at that level that have high accused have functional Asperger's it's it's it's it's like they're being murdered when a project they're dedicated to isn't happening and I've got friends and people that have it and I'm not gonna tell the stories as personal somewhere around but let's just say this I've got friends and people that have it, and I'm not gonna tell the stories just personal and somewhere around, but let's just say this. I've experienced it personally. So you learn what it's like. And I mean, here's an example.
Starting point is 01:38:00 Some of these people will love a computer that's 20 years old that they built or they were they just done work you know it's obsolete you know then if they basically learned through the bankruptcy or whatever that bad guys are gonna get it wait what it's like a child's about to be murdered what's happening right now are you doing a thing are Are we doing it? Can you imagine that? Or imagine being in love with
Starting point is 01:38:32 It's like people that are in love with classic cars or whatever. They just love the you know what I mean? Yeah, like the ones you gave you yeah Classic cars you transferred ownership to prior to or just after receiving news that you would lose them. Do you love your computer? Hmm. There's something very strange that is like, is this a twist? Yeah. Is this a Shyamalanian Twilight Zone twist? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:56 We're getting here. Are we getting a preview of your defense? No, no, no, no. I wasn't hiding these things. I love them like my children. You can't take my children away from me in bankruptcy and therefore you shouldn't be able to take my cars. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:08 Yeah. I don't think also there's anything that's strange about having an affinity for a computer that you built. Even if it's 20 years old, it could be a pretty cool piece of machinery. People have affinities for swing sets they built because they built them. It's evidence of effort and creation. Yeah. That's not the same thing as Elon Musk having feeling like he's being murdered if he doesn't get his way No, that sounds more like drug addiction. Yeah. Yeah So yeah, one or one of the I think could be I I wish Alex would have just been like and that person is me
Starting point is 01:39:44 But oh well man, so we have one been like, and that person is me. But oh well, man. So we have one last clip here and we have a quite a pantheon of Alex's superpowers that God has given him. And I'm not sure if this one is on the board or not. So I wanted to make sure that we got it. Okay. I see all this stuff. And now that I've got enough knowledge at a third dimensional template to apply my metaphysical discernment, the gift of God, it's exponential my understanding. And then my great failure is oratory skills. Compared to my understanding of things, my understanding of things on a one out of a 10 is about an eight. And my oratory skills are about a point one. Now, some would say
Starting point is 01:40:35 you actually have really good oratory skills. That's the point is how do you extrapolate super advanced integrated knowledge down into something that can be communicated? I do think your oratory skills suck. That's why years ago I would be talking and interrupting because my voice couldn't talk fast enough to say it all. I mean here's an example of mathematics and I've never really tried to show off with this. I'll try. I can be shown a bunch of big numbers and I can hit the number. I'll just go, that's that. People go, Oh yeah, really? How did
Starting point is 01:41:15 you know that? And they're like, Oh my God. I'm like, but if I try to do math, I have the math skills of a fourth crater. If I do it in, if I try to do math, I'm terrible. Let's go, that's what it is. So, that's what it is. That's what it is. So, and there's, everybody has these different types of gifts.
Starting point is 01:41:39 That's why they bomb you with fluoride and 5G and GMO and microplastics because we're incredible folks all right i said i hit a bunch of news but i mean oh you tried you know you got to give it up for him trying you know what fuck it he killed gene hackman i'm blaming him for all this for all of his special gifts gene hackman died and it is because of Alex I blame I think that should be in his bankruptcy lawsuit sure he killed Gene Hackman throw it in there throw it in there I do love the
Starting point is 01:42:15 Unfalsifiable of I am great at math when I don't try to do math because then if anybody asks you to do math You can't if because you'd be trying you show me big numbers I can go zap that's it but people go what what's crazy about his description was there wasn't any specific function there wasn't like addition division no there wasn't like I can calculate there's only show me big numbers and I will go black and they will go Wow, it's impressive stuff Yeah, his oratory skills are second to none. They are driving math my Understanding this is worse than my talkingness, but perhaps my talkingness outweighs your mathing this right because my
Starting point is 01:43:02 Understanding this is too great for mouthness. Yes, that makes perfect sense Yes, we have diagrammed this sentence perfectly what an asshole So I guess we've seen what Alex's response to Elon Musk's calling Trump a pedophile is And like I said, I am just thoroughly disappointed that chase kind of had better instincts than Alex. Alex is basically a company man at this point, whereas Chase is at least trying to do a show and trying to be someone who looks like they have a principle. And that's sad. Right. The best way to be a company man is to get people to look at a wicker man. That's what Chase's lesson
Starting point is 01:43:46 should be. You know? He should be real worried that his name is on the Alex Jones Network documents. I would definitely want that taken off. Yeah. I would definitely want that taken off. You might want to refile that real fast. Here's what I'm doing. What I'm doing is going to a notary public writing down, they did
Starting point is 01:44:02 that without my knowledge and having the notary click, click, and then I'm good to go. The notary public on the transfer of property from Alex to his dad, the one that's back dated five years, the notary was Alex's personal trainer, Pat Riley. God damn. Yeah. It's good times. Anyway, um, We will check in with Alex see how his coming lawsuits go. Yep. How the Protests in LA how his takes on that are probably great. Super good. Super good always
Starting point is 01:44:41 But until then we have a website indeed we do we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. I will be back. But until then, I'm Neo, NeoDZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor. Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.

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