Knowledge Fight - #1052: June 13-14, 2025

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check back in to see how Alex is holding up in the ongoing Second Civil War, and how he responds to the news of the Minnesota lawmaker shootings.

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We are yeah, Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you. What's up? What's my spot today buddy my bright spot today is we're back. We're back We're back here and I had a very nice trip. We both went on trips. We did I went I think that our trips illustrate our personalities That when we decide to take a little bit of a vacation, you decide to go to... My wife and I went to Costa Rica to essentially go on adventures. Yeah, and I went to my hometown to relive traumatic memories and past places.

Sure. So I went back to Columbia, Missouri. It nice time all in all great to see my boy burger. Yeah again Nice shout out to swear engine But probably the best thing was I got to go back to forum eight the theater. I worked out for many And I thought that I would get really emotional within the projection booth if they'd let me up there Yeah, and it was a negotiation to get up there. I will say that okay good I went and I asked the person at the concession stand to talk to the manager right and the manager comes over and He thinks I think he thinks I was up to espionage sure like sure sure sure he's like leave your name and number

I'll talk to my manager. You dirty commie. Yeah. I went to go see a movie. And then came out, and they let me upstairs. He had cleared me. That's great. Checked with McCarthy.

Good, good. I got the all good. All right, all right. But I went upstairs, and there's no film anymore. There's just digital projectors. And so that wasn't like all that overwhelming but then we came down the stairs from the projection booth and Right near the the stairs is the back exit that goes out to the dumpster Mm-hmm, and I immediately was like I got to go out to the dumpster. Yeah, I gotta go out there

That's where we used to get high course. Yeah smoke cigarettes scene of the crime I started smoking cigarettes just to go out there on breaks. Yep with the managers and be cool And so we go out there and the manager is telling me like, you know, hey with the state-of-the-art dumpster My man that was there But there is a pole a little pole that's coming out of the ground, uh-huh It's not connected to anything. It might have been at some point okay, but back when I used to work there We would smoke cigarettes and put them in the pole right because the pole had an open top right right fools

Yeah, we filled it up and Instead of cleaning it out. We just taped over it that makes sense. And it was always this thing that was there. There's like this taped over pole and it's full of our cigarette butts. And out by the dumpster, it was still there. And I was like, hey man, you know why that's taped over? The tape was still on top of it too? Get the fuck out of here.

Yeah, so I told him and I was like, man, this is great. This is fun to be connected to a piece of lore. This physical thing is still here. And he was like, you gotta clean that up, This is fun to be connected to a piece of lore. This physical thing is still here. And he was like, you gotta clean that up, buddy. No, he was charmed by it. He seemed like he dug it. And it was kind of a cool, be like, hey, here's a little secret about that pole.

We live in the present now, but I used to also be in the past. And that pole was there in both. It's a constant. Yes, exactly. So the pole that I used to put cigarette butts in was probably a high point That's actually pretty interesting and fun. Yeah, what's your right spot? My bright spot is Obviously the trip my wife and I went on our we didn't have a honeymoon and she's turning 40 this year

So we did it up. I did it all by myself. I did the whole planning and all that stuff. And you know, the sunscreen, you know, yeah, well, I mean, she's the responsible one, but like, you know, I, I was thinking about it and I was thinking about like competition playing sports. You know, sometimes you can do everything right. And it's still just goes wrong. Sure. It's just how it works. Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do, you're just fucked that day, you know?

And sometimes you do a good job and things work out well. And then sometimes you just have those days where you're just fucking everything works. Everything works without effort. And that was what this trip was. It could not have been better. It was just nailed from start to finish. And so it was great. That's nice. What a wonderful vacation.

It was awesome. It was really, I jumped off a canyon thing, about 35 feet or whatever it was. I jumped off of there. And normally I'm afraid of heights. And my wife was worried whenever we started doing this one that I was going to seize up and then I wasn't going to do all the jumps into the into the water. But do you know what she didn't know? She didn't know that in my head I was wondering I was like this is a little bit like the challenge. We're like going to it. We're going to a different country basically doing a stunt.

Yeah. We're doing we're doing a bunch of different things. We're going to a different country. It's basically doing a stunt. Yeah. We're doing a bunch of different things. We're going to different places. I remember an episode where Leroy doesn't do the jump in the canyoneering and he doesn't jump into the river. And then I thought, you know what? I wouldn't disappoint TJ jumped. Boom. I don't disappoint TJ. That's what happened. He hates quitters. He hates quitters. I would be lying if I didn't disappoint TJ. That's what happened. He hates quitters. He hates quitters. That kept that I would be, I would be lying if I didn't tell you that TJ helped me make that jump. I think for people of our generation and our age that he's inspired a lot of adrenaline based absolutely. Yep. Yeah. Well, it's fun. I like, I think that it's just incredibly on brand for our characters that you went and jumped

into a canyon in Costa Rica and I cried while walking my paper route from when I was a kid. So both of us think that's a vacation. Sometimes emblematic things can be on point. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Indeed. We're gonna be talking about June 13th and 14th, 2025. All right. Last we left off, the United States was in a civil war.

Yes, it was! How's that going? It had been declared. Yep, yep. And Alex had announced that the 14th was the start date of the fifth wave. Yeah, it was the jump off. Yeah. God was pushing everyone towards that date.

All right. So we're going to see what happened on the 13th and the 14th. That makes sense. Yep. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Ooh, that's a great idea. So first, Chewy V, we support your recovery and remind you tackle it one day at a time. Thank you so much.

You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, hey, Dan and Jordan. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk Thank you very much. Thank you next a Dan and Jordan. Thank you so much for making the Wow classic Grind a lot more fun John s. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much Thank you. I realize that's World of Warcraft But when I saw a classic grind I forgot that that's what it was, and I thought of MTV's The Grind. Oh, okay. That makes sense. And I don't know how we would help that.

That would also be classic, though. Yeah. And happy pride, all you radical rainbows. I love you all. Thank you so much. You're now Policy Wonk. I'm a Policy Wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we had Technicrack in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to the paddle. Not the other paddle, but this one, this very one. Don't confuse them with the other one. Thank you so much. You're now a Tucker Cratt.

I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bom, bom, bom, bom, bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ Now let me make a quick correction. Yeah, yeah, that was Patty. That was Patty. Yes. Yeah, I read it as paddle

partially because my brain Started reading it and I thought it was a play on the came From the news radio makes sense and I thought that's what it was but with a paddle but it's Patty. Yeah Anyway, my apologies this this Patty displeases me I'll keep this one this one I keep so Alex here is on on the 13th and a lot of the show is a dud Yeah, I'm not interested in a whole lot of the nonsense that he's got going on

He has Daniel Estolin on, because I guess Bilderberg is happening around this time. Great. Who cares? But he has another guest on his show on the 13th that I think bodes poorly. All right, we could not have a better guest on right now. He was Ron Paul Stafford, award-winning lawyer the president of the United States. He's the one right now.

He was Ron Paul Stafford. Uh award winning lawyer from major policy ideas and things he developed and a Grammy, of course, a paratrooper. And. The founder of the Oath Keepers and then the main guy. Of all the people that got demonized Joe

Biggs and Rico Tarrio. Great guys did absolutely nothing wrong. Political prisoners pardoned by the president or commuted. His case. Putting a good log never broke his will said Trump was going to win reelection. Several return

around and came out of prison stronger because I've known this guy for a long time than before, and he was strong then I think you look younger than before, J6. What the hell's got a time machine or something? I'm getting jealous here. Prison does that to you. That's what I heard inmates say is it preserves you. I remember Bannon came out, you know, he looked pretty rough before. He looked like 20 years younger when he came out. Yeah. So, so what an incredible time. You can speak to the globalist, Chi-Com, Democrat party, all confirmed confirmed, uprising that they've got going tomorrow that's just beta tested so far.

Bannon might have looked better because he didn't have booze in prison. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are a lot of things that Bannon didn't have access to that he does to himself. Yeah. So the United States is in a civil war, as Alex has already declared. They're on the eve of the big wave that Alex is saying is kicking off tomorrow. Not the best guest to book necessarily, the guy who stormed the Capitol with his militia gang and tried to overturn the 2020 election.

But certainly, you know, it fits. I mean, I suppose his book would be titled The Short Waddle to Freedom. Something along those lines. Because not the inspiring figure that he wishes he could be. Yeah. I think that he probably... It's really interesting to think about what he must be feeling. Because if he does feel like there is a civil war,

he must feel pretty emboldened. You think? Cause I don't think you can do anything really all that worse than try and overthrow an election. I mean. Like in terms of crimes against the community, against the. Yeah. So I feel like he must think that as long as he's doing

something for Trump, he could do anything. I mean, you'd think that, but man, maybe maybe he doesn't. OK, here's what here's what I'd say. Right. I'd say that unlike Roger Stone's pardon, where it was clear that from this point on, Roger Stone is by Tony in all ways. Well, I feel like they already were on that. Sure, sure, sure. Wavelength a little.

For sure. I'm sorry. Absolutely. I don't see that happening with him because the pardons were different. This was a little bit of a weird kind of situation. Right, the clemency, like without the gun rights being reinstated and stuff. If I'm dealing with the deal maker as what he believes Trump to be, and I see that I'm dealing with the deal maker as I as what he believes Trump to be and I see that I'm not getting the same Sweetheart deal as other people I'm staying back, you know

I'm not like and saying goodbye. I'm standing by because I'm letting other people do the you need a partnership for a while That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that might be that might be I Conflicted between like the I think I can do anything I want now right or I got away with a crazy I mean crazy. I'm gonna be pretty clean for the rest of my life. Oh boy. I don't know I yeah, it's like do you buy a shit ton of lottery tickets or do you just go away? I don't think you can go away. I don't think if you're the type of person who leads an insurrection I don't think you can not do it again. If you get the chance, there is, it does feel like it for a petty and for a pound situation.

Yeah. So tomorrow is the no Kings protest. Sure. And it's the big one. We have Annapolina Luna and other members of Congress saying they've been shown the Intel and that the, this black lives matter, you know, left this commie consortium funded by the billionaires, the the the the the the the the

the the the the the the the false flag, the Kent State. I don't think there's a question if this is the big one, they're going for the destabilization podesta, break up the country plan that's public and it's treasonous. They should be prosecuted.

The question is, will it fizz out? Will it be a dud? They're going with the big one. This is the big fabled one. This is it, all of it happening now around the world. The question is, can we navigate this? Will it sputter and fail? Stuart Rhodes is our guest gif sin go.com. So he didn't read a sops a little bit about the no kings

protests. No kings fable I have not read. How does that does the does the tortoise win that one? or is that more of a hair gig? No, you get eaten by a witch. Mm-hmm. That's fair. It's a dark fable. I mean, that's fair That is how they usually end. Yeah, so I I'm now at the point I think and maybe I've been in this point for a little bit where I Heard Alex say this is the big one too many times. Maybe. I feel like for a long time he was pretty careful to be like, there's a big one coming eventually. Yeah.

And now he's just throwing it around like it's lollipops at the doctor's office. It feels cheaper. Everything feels a lot cheaper. We're seeing, to put it this way, we're watching the wrong jaws because we're seeing a lot of shark. We're seeing too much shark here. Right. This is like deep blue sea.

They show you the shark immediately. Too much shark. Give us a little suspense. So Stuart has a plan and that is that Trump should just like kind of make him the army. Why not? That does make sense. What President Trump can do that's unique is he has the authority that was already provided by Congress many times many You know back at the start of the founding the militia acts provide for calling forth the militia He can call all of us up and as veterans until 864. I believe he should I think what he should say is given the reality

of an invasion of an insurrection of a necessity to execute the laws of the Union, I'm calling for the militia, not just the National Guard, but the rest of the militia, which is the unorganized militia. I'm going to call you together and order you to organize yourselves in your counties with the veterans instructed to take command and then organize and train the other men. You stay in your counties until the President gives you any further orders, but you get yourselves ready. And why that's important is then you're getting yourself trained up and organized for the inevitable October 7th-style attacks that are going to be coming.

Or the other... Well, that's right. The first admin that didn't crank up the civil unrest the last year, they're doing it at the start. Right. And it's going to keep going. So I don't understand what difference there really is between the way things currently are and what Stuart wants Trump to do.

He and his militia buddies can clearly organize to their heart's content and prepare for whatever terror attack they foresee coming. He seems to want to have the official sanction of the state on his little army, but I think it's clear that he already kind of has that, since they tried to overturn an election on Trump's behalf, then Trump got them out of jail when he got back in office. In every meaningful way, Trump has called Stuart and the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys up as a militia. Maybe he hasn't done that through official government channels, but Stuart wouldn't

want that. That would lead to him having to submit to some form of oversight or regulation, and Stuart doesn't like that shit? That makes being a petty tyrant less fun when there are rules Basically, what I'm saying is that if he's communicating his objectives sincerely he's achieved them Mm-hmm. There is no difference between The world he envisions and well, I mean there's the perception different There's the public perception difference in one situation. He is essentially a

Duke bandit king. Yeah Highway menning his way through the middle of nowhere causing problems the head of a network of veterans Armies that run small towns to do what exactly? So merch what are we talking about to take over counties? That's your plan to sell merch We're gonna do a county by county takeover and then what you're gonna hold municipal government earrings Of course, you're not right you fucking lunatics and then we're gonna tax everyone. I mean collect dues, right? Like what are you talking about? Organized garbage or you're gonna organize garbage pickup.

That's what they're gonna do. Hey, that would be nice. That would be nice. Yeah. I would like them to have municipal duties to see why they don't do them. No, cause those, they're boring. Exactly! Yeah.

Let regular people just do their jobs, man! No, we wanna shoot things. Then go into the woods and stay there. Um, no. Because civic government annoys me. If that was the conversation that would actually... I'd be like, yeah, that's fair enough. I guess you're right. I guess that does annoy you.

I don't want to be told that I have to trim this hedge. You're a giant baby, but I guess I can't really argue with a baby now, can I? Blah. Yeah. So, Alex seems to think that there's a flow chart to how things work in Stuart's militia utopia. Okay. And Stuart seems to have a completely different chart. That makes sense. These guys are not connecting. Okay.

And the real answer is the founder's answer, is we the people, the militia, and President Trump can call us up right now. No governor can stop him because you're being called into federal service and he can organize us by the county like that, and he should. And then the sheriff's department can weed out, quickly, who they don't want.

The sheriff would have nothing to do with that, be the president of the United States. But I would imagine under that command though, the states would be brought in to organize under that. If they're cooperating, they could but my point is is that under federal statutes the president had no I understand that so I guess he would designate the the the feds that would lead that. No he would say the military men who live in that county come

together the veterans and that's who he puts in command. Now he might use a national guard general to go oversee them he could certainly do that or an active duty army general. He could do that too. Or Marine Corps. He certainly could. He could insert his chain of command into the state and make sure that the men are organized properly and not doing anything they shouldn't be doing. But my point is, is that he can go around the governors, like Newsom, he can go around any traitorous county leaders. And let's be clear, the Podesta plan from August of 2020, which they said they're implementing the They made the movie Civil War with a $350 million budget two years ago released last year. What are we doing with it?

War gaming and pre-programming. This is happening. They're trying this. Okay. So this clip is a really good encapsulation of how not on the same page these guys are when it comes to details. They have the same vibe, which is to overthrow democracy and install a king, but they're talking different languages.

Yeah. Alex imagines a militia that's based in a sheriff because the sheriff is the highest legitimate form of law enforcement that the extreme right, states' rights, kind of the extreme right-wing folks, that ideology that he grew up in, they fetishized the sheriff. Yeah, makes perfect sense. He imagines the sheriff brings together a posse and then they do Trump's bidding. Sturzmer in favor of just letting veterans form their own organization, completely outside of any recognized chain of command under the president, because that way he can become a warlord, just carrying out Trump's bidding without the pesky sheriff.

Yeah, don't need it. You can see from exchanges like that one how they really aren't speaking the same language, but they know they both fundamentally want the same thing. Also, since the last time we recorded, I finally got around to seeing that Civil War movie, and it's nothing like what Alex made me think it was going to be. Not even close! He says that the Nick Offerman character is a Trump stand-in, and I think if you say that, you're telling on yourself a little bit. That movie seems to go out of its way to not be political and the Civil War itself isn't really well defined on purpose. It's a story about combat reporting and how journalism gives you PTSD. I don't think Alex saw that movie. I think he brings it up and I think if he did see it, I think he would

be super bored. Yeah, it's a really boring movie for him. Yes. It's not about two giant tanks shooting at each other, and one of them has a big red, white, and blue penis on it that he can root for. It's about characters being in pain, and Kristen Dunst not wanting this younger girl to be in the same pain that she is. Yep. Oh, well.

Yeah. Next. Really small story, all things considered. I like Oh well. Yeah. Next. Really small story, all things considered. I like, here's what I like. I like that on the eve of this no kings protest that Alex is trying to discredit as being a bullshit and not about the very thing that it is about. Stuart Rhodes is asking for a president to have a singular army that he has unilateral control over with no oversight whatsoever.

That is organized on a county basis with veterans and weirdos who are willing to overthrow the government on behalf of Trump. Right. Loyalists like that. Right. That is literally serfdom. That's what it was. That's the whole idea of Trump. Right. Loyalists like that. Right. That is literally serfdom. That's what it was. That's the whole idea of it. That was the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Okay. These guys aren't subtle. They're not good at this. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex continues

down this road of like tomorrow is the day. Yeah. And that's really the vibe you'd be getting if you were watching his show at this point. What do you make of Anna Paulina Luna and others saying they've seen the photos, the documents from law enforcement, the left, we already talked about it, but this is big. They're planning, they are dressing up like us and causing bedlam tomorrow. We've got to get this information out to everybody. Everybody watching this needs to share this. When we archive this in a few hours on X from the show, you've got to share this. He's going on Owen. Right when the show, my broadcast got to share this. He's going on Owen, right when the show my broadcast ends in 22 minutes. He's walking over there. The war of 3pm. This

is critical. We've proven we this is what we do. Stuart does this full time back. We work for Ron Paul decades ago. I do this full time. This is what we do. We defend the republic. We defend our freedoms. We And information and truth is the antidote to what's about to go down. So we scream full time and really agitate people and incite them about how tomorrow is the day. That's what they do. Full time. Yeah, we cosplay a TV show for money. Great. So the commies?

Yep. What about them? What are they up to? They're going to do false flags the next day, right? They're dressing like the people in order to false flag you. Yeah Now I can't think of anything less useful at this point than a false flag. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I Would tend to agree with you? somewhat I think that people are a little jaded and desensitized in a way that it hasn't felt like in a long time. I think that Alex's stuff feels a little bit sillier in 2025 than it did certainly even just a few years ago.

Sure. But yeah, apparently some commies are going to dress up like Trump supporters in order to attack other commies, in order to make Trump supporters look like they want to attack commies, although the Trump supporters really do want to attack commies. Exactly. Quite a bit. Yeah. And do.

They do. Yeah. I mean, yeah, if you're... Because I think the... Because the false flag is either about getting public opinion on your side or creating a a certain Cassius belly kind of thing. Yeah. Uh, and I think you don't need either for anybody at this point. If you want a reason, you got it. And I think that that extends to somewhat of the other use that this has for Alex, which

is pacification of his audience. Sure. Um, if something were to happen at these protests, like a Trump supporter just machine guns people down or something. Sure. I think that you have a risk of some of them being horrified by this.

Sure. And for Alex to have it preemptively set up as like, no, it's all fake. These are just people attacking themselves. Right. There is a pacification that he can hope to achieve from that and people will just keep buying the products and Raw raw the info war. Yeah

That's the other thing between other than like the cost us belly and sure, you know the other option just allowing it to happen Yeah, yeah maker like Desensitize yourself right right right absolutely yeah, so anyway that's happening tomorrow Okay, if the commies are able to get a real rebellion going other than isolated areas of that And they say they're hitting a thousand areas to a thousand One thousand areas gut level do you think it's gonna go bigger? It's gonna fizzle well it depends on what happens I think if if wow want that kent State moment, then it would go big. It'd be like the George Floyd protest.

They would use that. Oh, that's the plan. Right, so that's where you want to deny them. So right now we need to- But they're gonna do it to themselves. They might, right. So they just- I'm predicting, it may not be tomorrow,

I'm predicting they'll mow a bunch of their own people down. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're gearing up like this to not do it. Right. Or maybe they Oklahoma City truck bomb them so they can kinda have plausible liability. So whether they do it. I geared up like this to not do it. Right. So maybe the Oklahoma City truck bomb them so they can kind of have plausible liability. So what do they do it through a false flag or whether it's a real insurrection that rises up? Um, I think, I think it's coming. So yeah, that just, that sort of didn't happen. Um, but overnight, a gentleman, a guy in Minnesota

did a shoot a bunch of people. Sure. He went to the houses of a state senator and a state representative and killed the representative and her husband and wounded the senator and state senator and his wife. And yeah, so that did happen overnight. So Alex normally would be off on a Saturday. Right. But there was these murders. Right. And he's established that this is the beginning of the fifth wave.

Sure. So he wants to be on air to watch the protests and like talk about it. If there's a bomb that goes off somewhere, he wants to be able to like be covered Yeah, he's got to be on the air when it happens right when the shit goes off You got to be there right? Yeah, can't say the big shits happening on the 14th and then not do a show Yeah, so he does he does come in for Saturday show and he starts off with a little bit of coverage about

the shootings in Minnesota. Probably great. We also have the no Kings Democrat Party Chai Com Consortium with reportedly over a thousand locations to have disruption and violent uprisings that have already begun in many parts of the country as we go into day number eight of the political violence promised by the Democrat Party. And then as soon as I saw this a break about three hours ago, two Democrat lawmakers and their spouses shot, Democrat lawmakers and their spouses shot, one lawmaker dead, her husband dead, the other two in critical condition. I thought, let me look up their voting record.

And they had been Democrats that were coming over the Republican Party and reportedly about to join the Republican Party. And one of them particularly had just voted to not give illegal aliens free health care coverage. And I immediately thought, oh, I wonder if it's kind of part two, how they've Democrat parties, even got bills named after the shooter of the New York health care insurance company executive. We've got polls of Democrats with 80% praising us, saying there's going to be more killings. I was just guessing that. And now the police have identified

that the reported alleged shooter, they chased off the scenes, they're pretty, 99% it's him, is a Tim Walz high-level appointee and a no-kings organizer, and had a bunch of the flyers in his car. So back in the day, when events like this would happen, the people coming up with the talking points to call the shooting a false flag were rightly relegated to really dark corners of the internet, like low traffic message boards.

Alex had a real purpose, because he was one of the only people with a real show, and he'd built up a fake persona as the guy who reads white papers and secret documents so he had a unique ability to pass off things that he read on those dumb message boards as something other than what it was. He gave a gravitas to it just by the uniqueness of his position. He was in that special position where he could take these talking points from fully extreme places and he could launder them into slightly less offensive packages so they could reach a possibly wider audience who wouldn't know the kind of shit they were engaging with.

But like so many Americans, technology has rendered his job obsolete. Twitter is just all of that now. It's the home for extreme right-wing talking points like the old message boards. It's a place with a gullible wider audience of people ready to be drawn in by slightly sanitized versions of those extreme talking points, and it's a place where everyone is just as legitimate as anybody else. Most people don't even use their real names, so if they want to tell you that they have a doctorate in political science, I'd like to see you disprove it.

Who knows? Who knows who this fucking ding-dong is with a fake name? All of this stuff Alex is saying about his immediate reaction to the shootings in Minnesota very well may be his actual thoughts, but they're also exactly what everyone on his side posted on Twitter to try and deflect any questions or responsibility being aimed in their direction. No one knew what was going on or who this guy was, but the targets were Democrat lawmakers, and it's very easy as an impulse for people to assume the motive from the target. Alex and all of his ilk knew fully well that they were going to need to be on the defensive, because it makes the most sense that a rampaging right-wing guy would kill Democratic lawmakers,

particularly in a state where the state house was at a complete tie with both parties having 67 members in office until the shooting. Alex and all of his contemporaries knew that it's critical to import. It's very important to avoid any possible insinuation that their rhetoric and incitement at any part of leading up to this crime being carried out. So it's key to start fucking with that wet cement before it dries. You need to get to work. Whatever little things they can come up with have to be weaved into a narrative. So they hope that they can make it strong enough to hold up against the weight of any

facts that come to bear upon it once those facts are known. So you have these little tidbits of things that Alex found on Twitter. The first story that Alex has is about this state House member who has assassinated Melissa Hortman. According to Alex's version, she was becoming a Republican and she'd voted against giving undocumented immigrants free health care. Right? Exciting.

Sure. This has to do with Hortman's recent vote for SSFH1, a bill that would strip undocumented people over the age of 18 for being eligible for participation in Minnesota care. To give a little background context on this, Minnesota's legislature had been in the process of trying to pass a two-year budget, and in May they announced that they had reached an agreement. Part of that agreement was the cutting of Minnesota care access for the undocumented immigrants, but this budget agreement doesn't just become law because the party leaders they all agreed on it. In Minnesota, the members of the state house and Senate don't vote on the full budget as a yes or no bill, like one thing. They

vote on each piece individually. Thus, even though they had this agreement for the budget, it could still lead to fights down the road or potential compromises needing to be made between lawmakers. Democrats in the House were trying very hard to get the Republicans to budge on the Minnesota care issue, but it was very clear that this was a hard line for the GOP. The GOP also made it fairly clear that they were willing to shut down the government and not vote to pass other areas of the budget if they didn't get their way on this part, which is part of why it ended up passing. Hortman was the only member of the DFL to vote for the bill, but it would have passed

with or without. Like if she had just abstained, it would have passed. I can't say for sure, but I really suspect that she voted the way that she did as a sign of good faith, given her role as the caucus leader and the former speaker of the state house. Given other recent votes that she made, like voting against trans athlete bands and women's sports, I'm not convinced of Alex's insinuation that she was just about to switch parties. Alex is using this narrative to suggest that she was killed by Democrats as a punishment for not toeing the line. That is why this piece he has pulled from Twitter. The next thing Alex is repeating from memes that he saw was that the alleged shooter was a high-level Tim Walz appointee and a no-Kings organizer.

The shooter did have no-Kings flyers in his car, but that's not evidence that he was an organizer for these protests or even involved. The question of the shooter being a Tim Walz appointee is an interesting one though, because there's some truth to that. Alex says that he was a high-level appointee. But how high-level is high-level? What does that mean? He was a member of the Minnesota Workforce Development Board. Is that high level or is that mid level? No clue. Low level. Who knows?

No idea what that is. Alex says that Walls appointed him to be on this board because that's supposed to create this connection between him and Walls that can't be explained. Like why would Walls choose this guy of all people to put on this board, this high level appointment? What Alex fails to report is that the shooter was appointed to the board by former governor Mark Dayton in 2016 for a three-year term and walls just re-upped his appointment in 2019 There's no reason to assume the walls even really knew who this guy was. This is the level of appointment that might be

Relegated to it is what a lower level stashing decision sure sure sure sure Alex is using this narrative to imply that Walls was in on the killing probably is the person pulling the strings The specific details of how Alex wants to play this story aren't totally clear yet But the implications you're supposed to come away from this intro with are one The entire country is on fire because of the LA protests. And two, the shootings of these lawmakers and their families in Minnesota are false flags that were carried out by the left, likely targeting one of their own who they knew was going to defect to the patriot side soon, probably orchestrated by Tim Walz. Sure.

So that's where we're at. Yeah. Right out of the gate. Yeah. Pretty good. It's a good start. I mean, you know, what else would they say? Mm-hmm. There's a good start. I mean, you know What else would they say? Mm-hmm. There's nothing else to say

You're not gonna be like let's wait and see what the right course not over heads prevail I mean, yeah The the reality is these people have just made themselves irrelevant in every possible way to Anybody who's listening. Do you know what I mean? Alex? Yeah. Like if you are doing this, then you shouldn't be listened to, period. Sure. You know, like it is that simple. If you are a person who is like, well, we figured it out, then you're unlistable to, period. Well, I think that, yeah, I would agree with you generally, but I think that there's some people who just want that immediate knee-jerk reaction sure and Also, you're making yourself irrelevant to them because you were revealing that all you're doing is Twitter shit exactly

and so that like Yeah, it's it's a bummer. It's it's yeah. It's just it's a depressing you've rendered voices meaningless It's just, it's a depressing... You've rendered voices meaningless. Yeah. But I think that if you're Alex, there is probably like a pretty strange feeling you get when you see that news of, I have been ramping up for a while.

That this is the day that the wave of Patriot, fifth wave breaks and God is pointing us towards this date and this is these protests are going to be the ones where the commies take over thousand areas of the country. Yeah. I just think that you probably have to wake up and see that and be like, oh shit, I got to do something. I mean, people are going to be looking at me.

If I'm if I'm here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking Well, obviously I wouldn't be one of them because this is how I think I'm thinking I hope if it like if I'm a Republican even I would think like boy I hope this doesn't do what I hope this doesn't do what, I hope this doesn't work, basically. I hope this doesn't succeed in pushing, because if I demonstrably prove that political assassinations work, that's not good for any politicians. It's a rough road to go down. That's for sure.

And I think that if you're able to like directly minimize and spin political assassinations Oh not good that easily yeah then I mean one of the things that I think is incredibly shocking is like how it hasn't been that long and it does not feel like this is a story that matters not a big deal anymore yeah that's terrifying I mean hey I You know Kyle Kanaan had a really great bit Where he was talking about how one of his favorite genres of film is oh no the president's been kidnapped And that's just not fun to watch anymore now. You're just kind of like well. I mean man stuff out there

It's rough. It's rough. Yeah, yeah, I Just you know, it's it's a bummer. This is all a gigantic bummer. I would information space that this like containing this Yeah, is disaster. Imagine Okay, so if you can right, maybe here's Alex's long-term plan. We retroactively make it okay for him to have done all of the horrible things around Sandy Hook, because now everybody does them. Is that a possible, is that a legal argument?

No, no, no, no, see, I made everyone on the planet me. Now you can't judge me! I don't know. Retroactively, I don't know if it's gonna help. Probably not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no's reading a tweet. Yeah, that sounds great. I'm told about police sources in Minnesota, the suspect in the shooting of Minnesota state lawmakers is Vance Luther Balter. And there is a reported photo of Vance Luther Balter being reported by Minnesota News, the New York Post and others. It appears as the same Balter who was appointed to

the same bolter who was appointed to the governor's workforce deployment board 2019. He appointed to the governor's workforce department council 2016. Continuing, here is his appointment by the governor. Alex is tripping all over himself reading this tweet and I'm pretty sure the reason why is that he doesn't want to accidentally read something that doesn't work for the narrative. All that's important right now is that Walls appointed him to a position and we need to make that position look prestigious. Alex can't get any of the words and the name of the board correct, probably because he knows that anyone would hear the name of that board and instantly know that it's probably

a volunteer kind of thing. He also knows that it's important to preserve the impression that he and Walls have a special connection, so it needs to be brushed aside that the shooter was in that position before Walls was. Yeah, it doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter. It was part of a long game to do the shooting thing. So one of the things that Alex is really preoccupied with is the danger of optics.

Yes. Not surrounding this shooting per se, but the protests that are coming later in the day. Right. They're calling Trump a fascist and a dictator. And the White House and Pentagon fear they're going to try to have a Tiananmen Square moment at one of these parades today in DC Where people run out and jump in front of the tanks and try to act like they're being attacked by tanks or something like we saw with the senator out in a

California confronting gnome during a TV interview. She was doing inside a federal building running up Hey, I'm gonna get you so they they would touch him and say, Who are you? And he would fight them and he could say he was being oppressed. They're just trying to trigger some type of Tiananmen Square event or Kent State event. That's really what they want. But people are really seeing through this now. So I've heard this come up a lot on Alex's show in this time period, this fear of the left creating a Kent State or

Tiananmen Square moment and how that's bad for Trump's optics Hmm, I wouldn't worry about that too much if I were him like we've seen a lot of horrible shit in the past year pictures And videos that crystallize the severity of the moment the kind of stuff that the characters in that Civil War movie that Alex didn't watch Would capture and give them PTSD. At the beginning of all this, Trump said that he could shoot someone on the street and not lose support. And that's more true now than it was then. He could run over someone in a tank and I don't think it would matter.

The reason that Alex brings this up a lot is because he knows that it's a possible way that the extreme right could lose popular support. If Trump were to roll over someone in a tank, Alex is afraid that the more normie side of the GOP would finally say enough is enough, and that could erode the power base. In order for that not to happen, Alex needs to create an atmosphere where Trump driving over someone in a tank is acceptable. The easiest way to do that is to preemptively declare that any Kent State or Tiananmen Square

type moment is staged by the protesters to make Trump look bad. Normally, seeing someone run over by a tank would probably bum you out and make you feel mad at the force that the tank represents because it's a brutal dictator thing and you have an empathetic human response to that. By preemptively invalidating any possible event like this from being real, Alex is allowing his audience to cheer on the force that would drive over someone in a tank while getting to pretend that they're still the type of people who wouldn't support that kind of thing. They wanted to get run over

by the tank, really? Yeah. You know I don't love watching this person get run over by a tank. Sure. I'm not for it. Eh. But they wanted it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't really matter if you run him over with the tank.

As long as you get the pick, because the guy didn't get run over with the tank. They, I mean, you can't prove it, but they totally murdered that guy later. Like, they just asked him to move out of the way and then because they we don't know who he is or where he's from And we have no further information about him one thing you could probably infer from that is that guy is super dead but I You know like you understand that the Tiananmen Square moment can't be manufactured

Unless the one guy driving the tank is like doing it. Like you could just be like, hey guys, we're not gonna do it. We're just not gonna do it. Everybody will get out of our tanks. We'll go shake the guy's hands. We'll have a good time.

Like you have to be running over people with tanks to be the Tiananmen Square moment. Sure. Kent State didn't happen because they like forced that guy to do all that stuff Yeah, you know, but I think that Alex knows that the present climate is Not restrained right. We've got so many guys who just can't fucking wait to kill people

That it's like how do we not kill people Alex just had Stuart Rhodes? I mean, it's like, how do we not kill people? Alex just had Stuart Rhodes on yesterday. I mean, it's crazy. Of course. Of course. So the commies, they're all over the place false flagging. They just can't stop false flagging. They can't. So that's their plan.

It's been their plan. And now they are really trying to take it into high gear. And you're going to have also a lot of lone crazies inside the Democrat Party system that are going to go out and carry out events themselves. You already saw in Pennsylvania, a craze leftist, because the governor Shapiro wasn't communist enough for him going and firebombing his house while he was in it and burning down a large portion of it but those stories hit the news and leave.

So earlier this year a guy named Cody Balmer threw a molotov cocktail into Josh Shapiro's home and I guess Alex has decided that it's because he was a commie and Shapiro wasn't commie enough for him. Sounds true. That's fun and all but I'll just read to you here from the Associated Press about this guy and his brother. Quote, the brothers also disagreed on politics. Cody Balmer, who's a registered as an unaffiliated voter, had always been politically interested and considered himself more of an independent than anything else, but tried to convince the family to vote for Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election, said his brother.

I'm not even trying to say that he's a Trump guy or anything like that. This was a man who's in the grips of some serious mental health problems. If you read what his family has said in interviews, it's clear that he'd been in and out of hospitals and frequently resisted taking prescribed meds. It's very sad and he seemed to have also taken an interest in Gaza, but just like with him trying to get his family to vote for Trump, I don't think that's a coherent part of any political identity. CBS News released the text of the 911 call that he made after setting Shapiro's house on fire and he says, quote, I don't really have an emergency.

I would like to apologize. Governor Jeff Shapiro needs to know that Cody Balmer will not take part in his plans for what he Wants to do to the Palestinian people. He needs to leave my family alone He needs to get his eyes off my daughters and he needs to stop having my friends killed like he killed He had Manny killed two weeks ago or last week on Saturday He was a guy who was struggling but also a guy with a pretty clear history of domestic violence So don't get me wrong. I don't want to make him out to be some kind of tragic figure. He seems like a violent, abusive, mentally unwell guy, but what he doesn't seem like

is a commie who was just mad that Josh Shapiro wasn't commie enough. But Alex is right about something, and that is that these stories just come and go in the media, which is ironically why Alex can get away with playing the game that he's playing here, calling this guy a commie who's just mad that Josh Shapiro wasn't commie enough. Yep. So he's kind of complaining about the very thing that feeds him. Yeah, I mean, like it's so hard with these

political things because people talk about like an ideology motivating people in this regard but that's that's really awfully vague like nobody's motivated on either side by like oh we need a 2% progressive additional tax on you know what I mean like it's when we're here these guys are violent people regardless of what political party they're in It just so happens that one political party is willing to use them in the way that they want to be used Yeah, and the other political party is trying to keep them from being used that way, but you know, maybe not keeping them Healthy in order, you know, like there, there's a reason that they're vulnerable enough to be used in that kind of regard.

So Alex gets back to talking about the shooting and the shooter who is still alive. Very responsibly, I assume. Totally. And he reflects on the fact that maybe it's a good thing that he's still alive so we can get the full story from him. Yes, that is great. Can you imagine if a Trump MAGA person went to two state lawmakers, a senator and a House member. Boy, can I.

Legislator, and shot them and killed them. Killed the senator and her husband, seriously wounded the state rep and their spouse and is on the run right now. And the police just thought, hey, there's another lawmaker close to here. Let's go check there. And there he is in the parking lot coming out after he just killed these people. They died by the time the police got to him right there and shoots at the police and then just runs off.

So too bad the police weren't able to get this guy, but maybe that's a silver lining. Maybe he survives. We can find out who put him up to it. We already know from interviews with the shooter's roommate and longtime best friend that he was a fan of Infowars. He was an active viewer of the show, so it's a reasonable question to ask if he's listening to this episode. He would have to know that Alex would cover this shooting, and if you're a real Infowarrior, you probably think Alex can come up with the best spin

to make sure that Trump and the extreme right don't get any blame for the shootings. It's hard for me to imagine that he wouldn't be listening and maybe taking cues from what Alex is saying. Like here, Alex is saying maybe it's good that the guy is alive so he could tell us who put him up to it. Before the shooter was caught, they found a Buick that he was driving abandoned, and inside there was a letter to the FBI where he claimed that he'd committed the assassinations on behalf of Tim Walz. Walz was pulling the strings and he was supposed to also kill Amy Klobuchar so Walls could take her Senate seat.

All of the reporting that I can find around this letter refer to it as rambling and full of conspiracies and while I haven't read the actual letter so I can't say for sure, it kind of makes sense to me. These murders were carried out as an extension of the information war and thus how the media covers it and what stories can be told about the murders. They're just as important as the murders themselves. Yeah. More so than in almost any other case that we've come across before, at least in my memory, I get the feeling that this shooting has synergy with the right wing media space. The timing

and the impetus of the attack was pretty much scripted on Alex's show, and the broader social media world that he's a part of all were in the same kind of line, hyping up the 14th as the day that this shit kicks off and all that. The social media world and Alex as a mouthpiece crafted an explanation for how this wasn't the right wing's fault by latching onto this tenuous connection with Tim Walz. And it seems to me like this guy most likely wrote a letter to the FBI that was meant to piggyback on these conspiracies that were being pitched by folks like Alex and tons of other dipshits on social media. I have to call out that I'm making some pretty large logic leaps there, and a fair amount of this could be off but this is how it feels to listen to this episode like Alex is coaching a murderer how to spin his crimes not to implicate the larger information war yeah and that

feels fucked up yeah yeah that one's that one's funny it's funny that's like it wouldn't occur to anybody in the regular media. They would write it down as, oh, this is rambling and filled with conspiracy theories, as opposed to looking at it and being like, oh, this is Alex's episode from yesterday. Well, yeah, I think that Alex is pretty lucky that no one's listening to him. Yeah, I mean, that's fucking crazy. It's crazy that they would just ignore that, but it's not crazy. Anything that matters would just ignore that deep, but it's not crazy anything that matters. They ignore right but even the like the you know

Just to be totally clear now that Tim Wall's connection conspiracy stuff is not like unique to Alex sure I I just am pretty sure based on the way his roommate described it Yeah, I think he probably would be listening to infoowars the day after he absolutely kills to state lawmakers Oh, so if Alex is getting it from Twitter and then this guy's getting it from that or He's getting it straight from Twitter. Who cares people the same themselves on the news Yeah, that is that is absolutely what he was doing Absolutely with that with a thousand percent people in the middle of car chases are sometimes watching to the coverage. They're listening to the coverage of them being in the car chase with the peep. Yeah, come on.

So that made listening to this episode feel particularly Glut yeah, and thankfully Alex jumps to a different topic there because you know Bilderberg's going on sure. Yeah jumps to a different topic. Fair. Because you know, Bilderberg is going on. Sure. Yeah. Bilderberg, you know, until about 15 years ago, didn't exist, the media said, the globalist consortium of the NATO, US British Intel system. About 15 years ago, they started putting out their agenda. It was usually bull, it wasn't what they're actually getting into in the main. But this time, they said how to dep depopulate depopulation and replacement migration. He said it's on mfowars.com the link to the Bilderberg website. So think how far we've come where even 15 years ago they would say it didn't exist. We were crazy. Depopulation. Literally in Virginia one time covering it,

but 2009 and they set up just Jones made it up. No one was there. He was in the woods by a hotel just imagining. Didn't matter. I had helicopters and secret service and they had the Marines out there guarding them. It just, no, it doesn't exist. No one said that Alex made up that Bilderberg was meeting in Virginia. Someone pulled the fire alarm in the hotel he was staying in and Alex got all scared

and freaked out about how they were trying to smoke him out of his room and people made fun of him for making that up. I can understand how he'd want to reclaim that story because it's a bit embarrassing. It was an embarrassing story. Yeah. It is true that the Bilderberg group has their agenda bullet points listed on their website and the 2025 meeting does include one that was quote depopulation and migration. You'll notice that Alex has interpreted this as how to depopulate and then just added the word replacement in before migration. Yeah, no, it's a good place to put it. Yeah, depopulation might be on the agenda

because it's something that you might be worried about. Like how in 2022, quote, disruption of the global financial system was on their agenda. Not because they were doing it, but because COVID had done it. I thought everything that they do there is a how to class. Yeah, it must be. Yeah.

So no, I don't, I'm not convinced by this spin that he has on this one bullet point, but come on. Alex shouldn't be worried about these guys. His buddy, Peter Thiel was there. Joe Rogan's boss, the guy who owns Spotify, he was there too. Sure. It's a cool guy club now It is now. Yeah, absolutely Alex shouldn't be worried about these Bilderberg things Yeah, I mean, you know, what do you now that you're against the whole no Kings?

Why not have a bunch of Kings? I think that's the way to go and there's never been a situation in my understanding like in my reading of history Where a large group of aristocrats holding all of the power and wealth have done poorly for the major population. Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that Bilderberg is super awesome or cool. I just don't think that their depopulation and migration bullet point means what Alex was pretending that it does.

I think that his criticism is silly and doesn't get us anywhere towards solving the problems that that Bilderberg type organizations may cause. Okay. So it's a, let's call it a double bluff. All right. They named it that just so people would never believe that they were doing a how to depopulate and replacement migrate class. Sure. Right. So then you do go. You show up. You're one of these rich people and they're just like, here's what you do to depopulate and replace your population. What do you do? Do you like, do you do a double take? Like, are we just, are we just opened up? Are we just saying it out? There's a part of me that

wants to just go to the next Bilderberg. Yeah. See if we can get an invite. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. If anybody knows anybody at Bilderberg. Yeah, come on. We're not rich, but fuck it. We'll dress up nice. Yeah. Because if- Yeah, we won't dress up nice. If that class is about how to depopulate. Yeah. I would like to have that experience. I would like to know! Yeah. Yeah. It would fundamentally change my view on things. Yeah. I think it really would. Yeah. So Alex, you know, this is the day when the uprising's happening in 1,000 places. Sure.

And so he wants- 1,000 places. So he wants to watch a bunch of, like, you know, the protester videos and stuff. I think he quickly bores himself, though. Yeah, that sounds right. So the uprising has definitely started. Most of the events start at 3 Central He bores himself. Yeah, that's right. So the uprising has definitely started.

Most of the events start at three central around the country. And then and then and then and then the main ones start in about three hours. Five central spaced out across the country but on that time zone. So the next few hours it really kicks off. And this goes on for a while. You seem bored. I seem bored. You seem real bored. Eh, it's kind of boring.

Yeah. I think he played this game out in 2016, and it's kind of been diminishing returns ever since. Yeah. But he has a little video of a protester who's talking. And you know what I think that try and see if you can tell where Alex laughs in this clip. Okay. But you know what I know growing up in a white, nationalist, evangelical home that it's hurting us deep in the inside. It's a psychic wound. White supremacy is not the mystery for white people. It hurts us.

We have to let go of- Strange place to laugh. I mean, it is kind of funny. It's a weird reaction. Yeah. I mean, listen. I mean, hey, to each their own. I'm just saying that may be a little bit over the top.

Just throwing that out there. Sure. Yeah, I don't think that Alex is ready to engage with the subtler version of the argument that this protester is making. But I think that he was laughing because he does think that white supremacy is the answer for white people. Yeah, absolutely. So he ends up just making fun of this protester for a while and does some voices. He's having a good time.

The good news is this creature will not be breathing probably. But you have to feel sorry for her. Is that the good news? Guaranteed put the creature in public school, outpower even the private ones, and this pops out. My god. What a creature. Oh Channeling that bad acting They're white! Oh God! Sorry. Channeling that.

Bad acting. It's like two parts mental illness, two parts acting. But they become the theater. What about demons? There are demons. There should be demons involved. Yeah, it's just half bad acting and half mental illness mental illness demons I guess you have to go

Yeah, she was more Yeah, it's gotta be It's all about the it's all about the throat really it's the epiglottis. It's a phlegm the thing. Yeah, yeah That's how the demons are the phlegm demons are the phlegm. It makes perfect sense Yeah, I don't know. I find it silly to constantly call this person a creature. Seems a little bit dumb. Also, they're young.

Yeah. You know, like, I think, I don't know if the clip that I played fully encapsulates it, but I think this person had a little bit of a dramatic flair to themselves. But I also think they're young. And I think that it's kind of dumb to be an adult and criticize young people for being too dramatic. You know what I mean?

It's dumb to be an adult and criticize young people, probably period. Because frankly, we're gonna die and they'll be the only ones left. Or at least to criticize them without the awareness that like, they're young. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what else? You were dumb too.

Yes. Let's move on. Super dumb. Oh, surprise, the young person does a thing. Yeah, we got it. Young people are, I swear to you, next year, they're gonna do more things. They just don't stop. And then eventually they'll be old people and they'll say that about young people and we'll just do this whole fucking thing all over again.

Yeah. So, Alex referenced earlier that a Senator got in trouble for coming into a press conference. This was Alex Padilla. What did he do? Well, we'll talk about it after Alex talks about how cool Padilla. Okay. What did he do? He Well, we'll talk about it after Alex talks about how cool it was. Okay, cool. handcuffing a US Senator is a warning. The Atlantic Yes. He just busted a federal building runs up. I don't know who he is. Whoa. Fight you. I'm getting down. I have a gun or something. Oh, your senator will just stop attacking. No, I love that like, Tom, help me. I can't believe you did this to me. The warning, not the million plus dead from fentanyl, not the World War III, not the human

trafficking, not the sex slavery. So, Alex is talking about Senator Alex Padilla who got handcuffed and manhandled at a press conference that Kristi Noem was holding. And I don't really have much commentary about it. Like, the video is widely available online so anybody can watch it for themselves. I think that some person could have a complaint that Padilla was disrupting the press conference and that he wasn't being polite enough to know. I think you could. I might listen to that complaint from some person, but not from Alex Jones, who's famous for his bullhorn techniques. He paid listeners thousands of dollars to yell, Bill Clinton's a rapist at Hillary's

speaking events. It's true. This isn't political or even about ICE, but Alex's take on this is just embarrassing. He's the agitation and disruption guy, and now I'm all of a sudden supposed to pretend that he thinks that Padilla should have been more polite and less disruptive. Yeah. Alex should just come out and say what he believes. That his disruptions are a necessary heroic part of democracy

and that disruptions against his side are illegal. Just spit it out already. Yeah, it makes everything a lot easier. Yeah. This game where I'm supposed to pretend that there's like, oh no, this is bad disruption. But I mean, it's the game that we play to live together, you know? Because if everybody was just out and out honest about what Alex and his people believe,

then we gotta fight. We gotta fight. We gotta fight and somebody has to lose. And whoever loses, you gotta suck it up because you lost. Like, that's just how it's gotta go. But if we convince ourselves of, like, you know, it could be meaning something else, then we can just move on and live our lives. Maybe that's, you know, I do think that there are obviously lies we must tell ourselves

to live in civilization. Maybe that's one of them. So, Alex, I think probably should be more concerned about, essentially, speech getting a senator handcuffed. Yeah, that would be wise. I think he should. I think he, honestly, based on everything he's supposed to believe, that should be a big deal. But this should be worse.

Mm. U.S. Marines arrive in Los Angeles to primarily detain Army veterans. So, yeah, oh my gosh, people get in their face. They don't know what's going on. worse. So they agitate, this goes on, and they're just waiting for a kid's date. This is literally what Alex has been yelling about for years. This is literally what he's called martial law, the carrying out of domestic police duties by military troops. A man was running to get to an appointment with the VA, and he didn't realize that he'd entered a taped off area.

He didn't hear the Marines when they told him to stop because he had his headphones in. So when they got him to the ground, they put him into zip ties. He was held over two hours and then he was released without charges. This is so far past what Alex can accept that there's no real point in even maintaining the illusion that he cared about the stuff that he used to pretend he cared about. He never gave a shit about Posse Comitatus. It was all about exerting power. That was the way that he felt he was able to exert some kind of power. Yeah. And possibly violence.

Yeah, I mean... He can't make this mocking kind of like, Oh, they did a violent attack! Like, he should be doing that about himself. Like, oh, they're gonna put me in a FEMA camp. Right? Yeah, but I mean, you know, maybe maybe we're thinking about it backwards. Like the actions are dictating his bullshit, right?

So if what he believed before was actually true and what he actually believed, then you have to start a fight now. Like you have to start a civil war. They did it. They did the thing. The military arrested somebody on US soil. It's got to be done. We got to, it's just, that's what he said. It's like an automatic kill switch. You know, it's like you don't even get to think about it. You just have to do it.

Not necessarily. I think, I think even within Alex's old framework, there is a like way to deal with this without a civil war, but it must be taken very seriously. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know. It has to be like, this person must be court-martialed. There has to be a giant investigation of how we got to this point to begin with. You're probably going to end up with the Joint Chiefs of Staff getting fired, probably some

turnover in cabinet positions. A series of events so wildly improbable that Civil War makes just far more sense on a logistics situation. Right, but I'm saying that there are other options. There are other options. Fair enough. Fair enough. It's not an automatic.

I accept that. But yeah, this making fun of the idea that the military arrested a guy, certainly that's not the... That one's not in there. That one's just not in there. What an asshole. Yeah, that's Boy, he must just not think that the past is real, right?

I mean he must he can't think that like well, we don't have Mallets with the past written on them because if we had mallets with the past written on them And then whenever you do something and the past is like, nah, and you get hit with the mallet, then you remember the past. That is true. We got to have mallets. I think that it's totally fine to forget about things and to make mistakes and grow over time. I think all of these things are ways that the present could not fully align with the past. Sure. But being cool with Marines arresting a guy. There's stuff, you know what, there's stuff I've grown past and I still get hit with a mallet that says past on it. Sure. You know,

how come this guy, how come this doesn't get hit with a mallet? He should get hit with a mallet. So we get back to the Minnesota shooter. They're really trying to figure out how to blame these lawmakers getting shot to Republicans, but it's a Tim Walsh staffer appointee. Police saw him, identified him, shooting at them. I think to say he's the guy, alleged, and he's got all the no king stuff in the police car if he runs off. The fake police or the real police car he's got all the no king stuff in the police car if he runs off the fake police or the real police car he somehow got. And so we've got lots of Mexican flags all over the country. We got feeds here for you. The Tim walls though, says it appears to be

politically motivated, but wonder who's going to put the new statements out now about it being as a staffer, his senior appointee on the labor board for the state. Alex has a ton of information wrong there, but it doesn't matter. The audience isn't coming to him for accuracy or else they would have left long ago. He doesn't have to be right. He just needs to feel right. And it feels right to the audience that this shooter wasn't someone like them.

He's a different type of person. He's a commie. Yeah. Yep. That's it different type of person. He's a commie. Yeah. Yep. That's it. It is pacification. It's almost confusing why he tries to adhere to any of the truth. You know?

Like just free. Just free yourself. Well, I think that some things would not be in your best interest. Like to say air isn't real or something like that. Fair enough. I think that some things would not be in your best interest. Like to say air isn't real or something like that. Sure, fair enough. It's a pointless fight to pick to like subvert that kind of truth. Yeah, well probably.

I mean it would be worse for him strategically if instead of inspiring people to murder their political opponents, he inspired them to jump thinking they can fly Well, we know that there's a line because he does not put up with like flat earth stuff true So like there is a line that he thinks is like beyond obviously this is stupid right? Oh my god so truth matters Somewhere yeah, it's just figuring out exactly what that line is is almost impossible. People are weird, man. Yeah.

People are weird. So Alex is talking a little bit about ICE and their detentions and arrests and stuff. I think he accidentally reads a statistic that he didn't mean to read. Didn't want that one out there? ICE arrest of non-criminal eagles up 800% with all criminals, but yeah, they've been focusing mainly on the gangbangers and drug dealers and that was who they focused on. Now they're moving in to people that are here illegally, period, and they didn't go to their hearings.

Oh, the hearings. So 800%, huh? 800% is a lot. Yeah. I think even he was a little bit surprised. There is no situation where 800% should be used, probably. Unless it's like, oh, no, actually I cannot think of one that is like, oh, we're over, year over year,

we're up 800% is not a warning sign. Even if your business is doing well, we're up 800%, then what happened? What is going on? We're out of control, we're gonna lose everything like it's nuts 800% I hit 800% of one pin when I fold I

Got an eight eight hundred percent of one pin. Yeah, well. I mean it's it's tough to pick up a spare right I'd have to get Yeah It's tough to pick up a spare. Right. I'd have to get 200%. 200%. Yeah. So yeah, dumb. Anyway, Alex, I think he has gotten some messages that he needs to be a little harder on Israel. Right, right. Sure. I think that he's maybe seeing that the trend in the right wing world, there's a growing popularity of folks who are more like Nick Fuentes and are more openly critical of Israel. And the way that Alex has tried to play this game where he's like, look, I don't like Netanyahu, but I

don't want Muslims coming here. Like that game is not enough enough and it opens him up to way too much attack from these anti-Semitic critics that he has. They're like, oh, you work for Israel kind of stuff. Yeah, I imagine as Christianity, the actual religion becomes less important to that subset of people who want to destroy the world. Then yeah, it would be harder to make that same leap that so many Republicans do, which is just like, we support Israel because that's where the end of the world's going to start. You know? So it makes sense.

Yeah. And I think that there is a shift that is starting. It's not meaningful because he still really doesn't have a position. Sure. But he, now that Iran and Israel are fighting, I think that he's like, well, it's going to come to a head. I got to do something. Sooner or later, you're going to have to pick fighting. Yeah. I think that he's like, well, it's going to come to a head. I got to do something. Sooner or later, you're going to have to pick something. Yeah. So he is now kind of shifted his position to look, Ron's bad. I don't like the mullahs. Sure. I don't like Israel. Sure. The nine Yahoo's bad. What about them? But let's be honest, we overthrew the Shaw. You know, we put, or you put in the Shah. I mean, yeah, that's a weird time for you to remember that fact. But fine. He's like, this is kind of like, it's all our fault. You know, I mean,

yeah, yes, agreed. All of this is our fault. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm being more generous to his position than maybe I should be. Probably. It is like a, you know, we've meddled in the region and, you know, we destabilized Iran in order to put in like a friendlier... I broke all my best friend's toys and now I should just leave his house. Right, right. So he has this take that is like, I don't like either, I really hate Muslims. But it's kind of our fault in the past.

It's a toss up guys. Yeah. So you play as a clip of some people talking about positive stuff about Iran. And- Where? What world are we in in 2025? I don't know.

I think he found it on TikTok. Do you know why Iran took our hostages back in the fucking seventies? Because fucking Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter started that shit. Iran just didn't out of nowhere be like, on TikTok. Instigating bullshit. We are all fucked. Usually it's optimistic. I want to be but I can't. Not on this. I have to be realistic. We're all fucked. We're all fucked. This is all fucked. Good luck. Long live the republic. I like that guy. He's an elegant person. I'm not saying you can't cuss here. I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy.

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I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy. I don't like that guy. I don think that somebody with like I don't think that you would say I don't think you would frame it that way if you weren't anti-semitic. Yeah, I think saying the Jews in there There's that kind of I think you're kind of tipping your hand a little bit to choosing the 70s arbitrarily for oh, yeah Just just just the 70s. Okay. No, that's fine. I don't believe that this is, I don't know who this person is, so I don't wanna judge too harshly

because I don't know the larger body of their work. I get a bad vibe. Yeah, agreed. But second, I just think that you don't have a good position that includes that rant. Yeah. I would have liked, growing, you know, now that I'm now I've lived a lot and I've read a lot more about how things actually function. I would have

liked a lot more nuance and understanding of multiple points of view from my history classes growing up. Sure. I would have liked it if they didn't just go like, ah, the gas crisis happened in the 70s and then Jimmy Carter and yada yada yada. What are you going to do? You know, it would have been nice if they gave you some context for all the things that were going on so you don't believe in bullshit when you grow up. But I don't know if somebody being like, you know what else? It's Carter's fault in the 70s where fuck would have helped my education. You know? Well, I don't, I look, I went to Missouri public schools. Yeah, I don't know what they were like in Illinois They were they weren't that

But is it worse? That's a good question wait. Yes. Yes Take it back. I got it backwards, okay, so Alex goes on to just make up some fun stuff about this shooting Yeah, great. We've got a major update in the Governor Tim tampon dispenser walls situation And the man they caught dressing like a police officer with a stolen police car. They said it's one of their police cars. They just killed a state senator and her husband and shot and

almost killed a state rep and other spouse. We actually have a clip, I forgot to play, of the senator where she talks about, no, we're not going to vote for illegal aliens to get health care. And she was leading the Democrat group that was against that. And so was the other state rep that was shot. So very, very interesting now. And we'll go to that video in a moment. But first, Minnesota shooting suspect Carr had no king flyers and sickening manifesto with targets.

Police warned the suspect that Minnesota shooting had a list of targets that included Representative Melissa Hortman So you can see how Alex has crafted this narrative into being primarily about Tim Walz, not about the shooter or even the victims. This is how he jumped back into the story by saying that they have an update on the Tim Walls situation. The messaging is very clear here. The goal is to pin this on Walls, which is exactly what the shooter ended up trying to do. Beyond that, Alex is just making shit up and reaching bad conclusions here.

For one thing, the car that the shooter used wasn't a stolen police car. Alex has just assumed that because the police said that the car looked a lot like a police car. Second, Melissa Hortman was a member of the Minnesota State House, and the other target, John Hoffman, was in the state senate, but Alex has them mixed up. Hortman wasn't leading the Democratic group that was opposed to extending Minnesota care to undocumented immigrants. She was the only member of her party who voted that way. Alex is just making up a story about them because it adds to the intrigue of the whole thing and because he's a monstrous liar.

Also, I think that long pause at the end of the clip was because Alex didn't know if he should read the part about the shooter's target list being a bunch of Democratic politicians and abortion rights advocates. I suspect he got to that line in the story and he couldn't tell in the moment if that helped or hurt the narrative, so his brain just paused. Yeah, that makes sense. Would it make more sense for this guy

to go and shoot people who support abortion? False flagging, that's what they would want to do, but if my angle is that I'm trying to pin this on Tim Walls, then Tim Walls wouldn't want to false flag that. Maybe he would. Maybe he would? This is why you pause. But would he?

This is why your brain just says don't say anything for a second. Yeah, it just doesn't work. It doesn't work. You know what it is? It's too complicated. You're just complicating things too much. One ingredient in the soup to any

Yep, yep. Yep. So Alex gossips a little bit about how this this this lady who got murdered She was totally just about to leave the Democratic Party sounds true. And here she is literally just last week Talk and the word was she was about to leave the Democrat Party Well now her spirit has left this plane. Here it is. I know that people will be hurt by that vote. We worked very hard to try to get a budget deal that wouldn't include that provision.

DFL Speaker of Merita Melissaortman, emotional following the House's adjournment from a special session. Monday Hortman was the lone DFL lawmaker to cast a vote to cut Minnesota care access for undocumented immigrants. It's a move she made with a heavy heart. I did what leaders do. I stepped up and I got the job

done for the people in Minnesota. The rest of this news report goes on to talk about how the GOP wouldn't budge on this provision so nothing was going to happen unless somebody, one of the Democrats, voted for it or didn't vote. This provision was necessary for them. And so when she's talking about that,'s very emotional sure about the fact that she made this vote that Was against what she believed in yeah, she is not somebody who's like I think I'm gonna leave the Democratic Party

I'm leading this resistance to fuck over immigrants or whatever and this is Ghoulshit this to me is disgusting when Alex says, the word is she was going to leave the Democratic party, now her spirit has left the earth, or whatever, he should apologize immediately after that clip ends. That is so inappropriate. Nope. I wouldn't. She died that morning. Yup. Fucked up. Yup. Fucked up.

Yup. Fucked up. Anyway. Yeah. Um, Alex is gonna talk about Iran and Israel. Great. Two things that he knows everything about. Well, but he's not actually. He gets sidetracked. Wise.

I wanna get into the big developments in the Iran-Israel escalation and where I see that going, what the different angles are of that in just a moment probably well And then I'm gonna get into One of their favorite hoaxes they're pushing again that you see everywhere and that deals with claiming that polar bears can't swim. Oh boy What yeah what can polar bears swim? No you can't do that I mean, I don't I don't it's jarring isn't it Yeah, I if you forgot that feeling didn't you if the FCC exists for any reason I

Like show tits have fun, but full bush. I don't give a shit get it out of there, but stop that from happening with fucking horrifying It's unsafe at any speed This is where we need Ralph Nader Wow come in and get seat belts If we're gonna do I know it when I see it bullshit Supreme Court, fucking I know it when I see it and that needs to be stopped! Hmm. So we're gonna talk about Ryan Israel, but hey, what about these polar bears? No!

Can they swim? I'm gonna recycle a old climate change. All of my political beliefs are now mallet based. I'm just going to write time periods. 1950s, mallet, that's when you made the mistake. Jimmy Carter, we're fucking mallet. Boom, mallet, boom, there it is. So Alex rants a little bit about the various thoughts he has that shoot off of the polar

bear swimmin' thing. Right, yeah, great overall aggregate sea level has stayed the same for 500 years the watermark So yeah, let's show you a few of these okay, we've got 200 year old photos and What does it show? 1878 to 2018 it show 1878 to 2018 unprecedented sea level rise in Sydney Harbor over the last 140 years due to massive climate change. And it is exactly the same. Hmm. Interesting. And we can show

you hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them. And we can show you Al Gore saying by 2013 it'll all be underwater, by 2017 the ice caps will be gone. This feels so stupid. America is supposed to be in a civil war that kicked off all these no-kings protests that are happening while Alex is on air that he's supposed to be monitoring. Multiple lawmakers in Minnesota were the targets of assassination the night before. Israel and Iran are bombing each other, and Alex is arguing with no one about climate change memes.

Who's he trying to convince? Does anyone in his audience care about sea levels at this point? Is it they're possibly a single Infowars listener who might be swayed by Al Gore? This game is dead because there is no battle that Alex needs to be fighting here. Trump is all about the big corporations and he doesn't give a shit about environmentalism. So Alex doesn't need to be out here trying to run propaganda against regulation and climate considerations. It's all done, buddy. After the Supreme Court overturned Chevron, the EPA doesn't really have any authority.

It's all gone. He's wasting his time. This feels so dumb. I was thinking about throwing a water balloon filled with pee at him. And then I thought, I've never done that before. And then I thought about it another step further. Have you ever done that? No comment. That's a yes.

See, here's the thing. I suddenly realized that I don't want to get involved in the logistics of moving urine into the actual water balloon. Because I'm assuming... So my first thought was like, well, without tools, this is clearly just going to be an avenue for me to pee on myself, obviously. That is true. So then you get a funnel, right? You think funnels are the way to go, but you don't know if that's going to have enough water pressure to expand the balloon. What if it just pops right out at you?

Yeah, it doesn't. Look, these are all questions that you come to ask yourself very quickly when you decide to embark on this path. Your first fist-filled balloon is a lot of trial and error. I do think that I can say that no one has ever got it right the first time. That's definitely... Look, it's... What about a piss-filled mallet?

It was just a lot of fun because while that clip was going on, the tail end of it had me with a bunch of different images of me in a cartoon scenario where I'm peeing all over myself. So that was nice. That was a nice little... You'll get back at Alex by peeing on yourself. Yeah, I'll just have piss-covered hands as I've got a little balloon wrapped around my penis.

Yeah, that works. So I think, I feel like there's some real real real real real serious stuff a foot Yeah, the military has arrested somebody. Yep Senators are getting handcuffed for asking questions sure aggressively political assassinations. Yeah political assassinations Yep, and I felt so weird with Alex just going into polar bears like it felt like Denial it felt it felt more like denial than anything else. Yeah, like this everything's too much I'm gonna retreat to back when I could yell about Al Gore and

Climate credits and absolutely It really felt pathetic. I felt like it was, it is the Infowars version of an Adam's Family values, whenever they have, when they're at summer camp and they send them to the small house where all the Disney films are. Like it was very much a like, you know what? I'm gonna return to a safer, more idyllic place

and I'm just gonna watch Disney film. Oh polar bears can't swim I bet they can yeah, and I just I don't know I'd get put a bad taste in my mouth Not good. Not good. So we'll see what happens over the intervening days Probably not much probably not much Eventually, it is obviously gonna come out that this guy was an Infowars listener and now he's going to have to... Are we in the future? What? We are in the future, right? Do you mean right now? We have not been civil warred as of yet. I, I, I mean, what if, I mean, are there branching paths? Ooh, man, you just got multiverse. Did our vacation cause a split path? Are we the reason that we are

there are in a civil war or are not in a civil war depending on which pathway we are in? I think on a pretty official sense we're not in a civil war right now. But yes we are in Alex's show. Okay then let me ask you this question. Because he has not and he's not declared an end of hostility. That's fair. So we are in a civil war until he officially ends it. Until we go to Appomattox, it's still going on. Someone's gotta sign something. Someone's gotta sign something, gotcha.

Well, that makes sense. It's gonna be a long civil war. Anyway, we'll be back. But until then, we have a website. DVDoo at Zollagefight.com Yup, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo, LeoDZX4, I am a mysterious professor. Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. I love you.