Knowledge Fight - #1056: June 19-20, 2025

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan enjoy Alex seemingly taking credit for avoiding world war, and giving Dan the last piece necessary to solve The Mystery of Max Planck.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge Knowledge fight Need money Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little But about Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? I Unfortunately do not have a bright spot today, but I do have a dark spot. Oh, no, and you listen to me I'm pointing at you are pointing at me. Yeah, absolutely not really me, but it's sort of me

And that is if people are listening And have listened to our last episode my bright spot was the Tony Hawk 3 and 4 remaster. What's happened? I am already bored of it. I'd forgotten the dynamic that Tony Hawk games really have, which is they're a lot of fun for a little bit and then it's like, what am I doing? I'm just fucking skating around. This is boring. Right, right. And so I have gone through that process once again in a matter of days. Because you're not a skater. No. You don't actually like skating.

But I don't actually think that that would matter that much. Sure, sure, sure, sure. It is painfully repetitive and the environments that you're in are fun enough, but they're not that great. Sure. They have a really, really cool build your own skate park ability. Okay.

And so, you know, in the way that like Mario Maker, people could make their own levels and upload them. For sure. They have that. Okay. But within a few days, there's not really anything cool that's been made that I've seen. Yeah.

And it's tons of people putting up no effort parks in order to get an achievement Playable and no one wants to play right But once people put in a lot of time, I think they could create some really cool Parks that are made by other users, but that's just not there now and like I don't know. I'm bored Oh, that's tough. Yeah, that is tough whenever it's just Just achievement hunting slop. That's no fun. Yeah, so anyway a Darkish spot. I'm bored by Tony Hawk Maybe some games are just there for I enjoyed this weekend and then maybe six months later I'll have

another good weekend. Yeah. You know it's um it's a little bit of like a hit like an adrenaline shot. Yeah. It wears off fast but it's a ride. Listen it's I understand you like cocaine but crack is also good. Yeah. Like it is. Yeah, do you do you think cocaine is long-acting? Is that was that and crack is a shorter burst crack is a shorter burst famously Yeah, but cocaine is not a long burst. It's not it's not like the ketamine drip But crack is a little bit faster. Okay. Yeah good good metaphor Let's take that metaphor is now my bright spot. What's yours? My bright spot is just finished up. The summer games done quick.

Sure. A fan. Nice. Always an enjoyable highlight. There was a Mega Man maker, which was like the Mario maker, but the guy made a bunch of Mega Man levels. That was really interesting and fun. Was he speed making the levels? No, no, no. the guy made a bunch of Mega Man levels. That was really interesting and fun to see that.

Wait, was he speed making the levels? No, no, no, no, he had made a bunch of levels and then was kind of showing off how they work and how difficult they are. Were other people trying to speed run his levels? No, they were too hard. So it was just him. He had made these levels and then practiced at them

so that he is again, essentially the only person who can ever play them. Yeah. Mega Man is a game that has a pretty high difficulty spike. Some of those levels are pretty easy and then some are painfully hard. If you were in control, you could make it so hard. Oh man. Some of those things, you imagine a difficult Mega Man level

But even in a difficult Mega Man level you're usually always going from left to right You know like the whole time or up not like okay We got to go back and forth and back and forth and up and down and then we got to do up It's crazy made like a Metroid game out of a little bit. Yeah. Yeah people yeah. Crazy. Yeah, people just, it's amazingly creative and really cool to watch. So that was nice. Awesome. Anything else stick out?

I don't know, there's probably some other stuff I'll watch later. Sure. It was pretty good. Oh great. I'm a big fan of, did you ever play Turtles in Time? I did. Did you do the Turtles, okay man.

I don't know why, but I loved that game. And I feel the same way about it that you feel about Tony Hawk is that I've gone back to it from time to time and been like, this game is great. Why do I not play this game? Oh, I'm bored. And then move on with my life. But it's always nice to watch. Yeah.

Amen. Well Jordan, today we have a summer radio show done poorly. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. We're going to talk about Alex Jones. We're going to talk about 19th to 20th of June. All right. All right. 2025. Civil War has broken out in the United States. Still ongoing. Gene Hackman, still dead. Still Alex's fault. Iran and Israel are attacking each other. Having a spat.

Alex has made peace with the fact that Trump does not seem to be all that pissed off about it and seems to be saber rattling in a way that indicate that he's going to join in and attack Iran. So that's where we find ourselves and we'll explore this a little bit of time. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. That's a great idea. So first thanks

for helping me understand how my dad's brain works now. Huge props to A-Lab series for recommending the show to me. Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, big boy Troy can go the distance with little Ava by her side. Thank you so much you're now a policy wonOLISY WONK. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And the U.S. government is engaging in disappearing people and state terrorism. Thank you so much, you're an AAPOLISY WONK.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we got a Technicrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to, hey Colleen, we're probably listening to this together and you're listening to it while you work and this surprised you. It's been fantastic nine years and here's to a fantastic however many more. Love you tons. Chris, thank you so much. You're an out-take regret.

I'm a policy wonk. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. What a lovely mix of shout outs. Very strange. Yeah. Declarations of love and just ominous statements about what our government is doing. Things are going great. Yeah. Oh well. It was the best of times and it was the worst of times. That's what we're saying. Somebody famous said that once. I think it was TJ. Yeah. Yep. So the TJ Levin. Yeah, absolutely. He's great Yeah, Thomas Jefferson Levin. Yeah, so the Thursday June 19th show

Was a slog and I'm mostly just gonna skip over it entirely Alex believes that Trump is planning to bomb Iran that night or the following morning So this episode is kind of stuck in just trying to ramp up anxiety about that in order to sell gold and push the supplements. Alex, however, he did another interview with Rabbi Shmuley, which bordered on the un-listenable. It is awful. It's just two assholes being assholes to each other. And while it's supposed to be a debate on the Iran-Israel confrontation,

it's really just two guys discussing the ways they don't like Muslims. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? Eventually two guys with common interests will find a way. It's shocking to me in a way that it also felt sort of like it might be paid programming because Alex is super respectful to Shmooly. He is giving him, he's like, I gave you six minutes, now it is my turn to talk. They're doing this, there's rules to this interaction.

And Shmooly's being an asshole. He's being like, Alex, you do not love America. You are. He's being like a real dick to him. Not that Alex doesn't deserve it, but in a way that Alex would usually be like, I'm gonna fucking fuck this person. There's so much restraint that there's some sort of an agreement that they reached beforehand, whether it's financial or Alex thinks he's gonna get a lot of attention out of this.

Alex, you've been really anti-Semitic lately, so you're gonna have to take it down a notch while I'm here at the very least. It's interesting because Alex does try to do like the, hey, one day I'll have Nick Fuentes on, the next day I'll have Rabbi Shmuley on. Like, see, I'm not that bad. But it's like, yeah, you have an interview with Nick Fuentes where you talk about how Nazi shit is the answer and you're really friendly to him and you treat him like Illuminary and you have a hostile

Confrontation with Rabbi Shmueli. Yeah, it's not the same thing. These are not the same thing. No very different So there was one exchange that I thought was really interesting between the two of them and I'm gonna just play this There's only clip that I have from the 19th Okay, and it's Alex and Rabbi Shmueli They've been talking about the creation of the atomic bomb. Great. You guys have a lot to say on this. No, but this is actually, I think, very illustrative. Okay. But you cannot take a chance with a nuclear bomb. It's the reason why Franklin Delano Roosevelt, rated was one of our three greatest presidents, started the Manhattan Project. Roosevelt didn't know a lot about nuclear science back then, and no one knew if a bomb would even work till they detonated

in the deserts of New Mexico. Even Oppenheimer didn't know if it would work. They built the bomb because they were afraid that Hitler was building a bomb and Hitler had some of the greatest nuclear scientists in the world like Heisenberg who were working on his bomb who became Nazis and that's how the atomic age even started now in the end Hitler did not have a bomb so you could say why'd we do all this well you know what we may have saved a million American forces went in and took out their their heavy water and all the rest of it well Hitler kind of gave up building it because he probably, because he thought that all nuclear science was Jewish science and he hated Jews so much that he even was prepared, as I said

before, to destroy himself. Who is dumb enough to kick Albert Einstein out of your country and let him live in Britain? Smollie, I'm not saying Jews aren't real smart, but it was Max Planck that the equation- No, you're a smart guy. Listen listen you're you're you're a smart Hitler Hitler did it was not investing in evidence super weapons and I'm glad he lost but the point is is it was Max Planck what did you just say it's true that Jewish scientists took those equations expanded on them but it's it's Max Planck Germans created the equations for the atomic bomb.

Well, you have Niels Bohr who was Jewish, you have Blizzard who was Jewish. I'm not saying that Jews created the atomic bombs. What are we doing? Oppenheimer was certainly Jewish. On the contrary... Would anybody like to stop this? Jews did finally actually make it.

I'm saying it was necessary. Stop, let's stop. Let's give Jews the credit for this great thing. I'm not... No, the Jews finally took the theoretics and did it. So let's just be... What is happening? The Germans theorized it. So it's never made sense to me how much Alex name drops Max

plank he constantly talks about a plank came up with all sorts of metaphysics ideas way before their time and it seemed to me like it was just Alex's way of talking about how the human mind can envision things before they're physically possible yep this exchange really cleared things up for me. Yeah, it makes things very obvious in retrospect. Alex is so triggered on the point that Schmooley makes about the Jewish contribution to the invention of the nuclear bomb, and that's where Alex has to bring up Max Planck. Planck was never a stand-in for human ingenuity.

He was a symbol for Alex, a way to deny the historical importance of some Jewish people and transfer their achievements over to an Aryan person. I'd never really thought about it that way, but now I think that this is the focus. The focus on Max Planck is actually a remnant of the environment that Alex grew up in and how so many of the sources that his intellectual tradition comes from are Nazi apologists. Under Hitler, it was forbidden to talk about Einstein because he was super anti-Nazi and had renounced his German citizenship in 1933. Whatever innovations he was making in important fields of science would need to be undermined

and attributed to someone else, and though Planck wasn't a Nazi himself, he stayed in Germany and was in the relative good graces of the government. Planck was the head of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society until 1937, which would later be renamed the Max Planck Society, an organization which apologized for their involvement with experiments carried out at concentration camps during the Holocaust around 2001. They made a big deal out of, like, we can't deny this part of our legacy. What are you going to do? It's been confusing why Alex was so hung up on Max Planck, but now I think it makes total

sense. Yep. Alex's worldview is built on the shoulders of neo-Nazis and crypto-Nazis, so it makes sense that most of the sources he grew up reading and studying, they would have an investment in minimizing Einstein's importance and elevating Max Planck's. And I think that in that exchange, that dynamic, you feel it. Here's what I like about it. And I'll tell you this,

it reminds me how not racist I am because I don't know when I should be looking for race. Do you know what I mean? Like I didn't even know that it was possible. I thought science was free. Like everybody's got one. You know, everybody's got a little science on them. Didn't know that that was possible. I thought science was free. Like everybody's got one. You know, everybody's got a little science on them. Uh, didn't know that that was a race thing. You know? Like I remember people being like, Oh, did you know that China invented whiskey?

And it's like, cool. I don't care where it comes from. It's fine. Somebody invented it and it comes from where it's going. It's in my mouth. Absolutely. What do I give a shit? You know, that's crazy. But somehow people find a way to put race in there Yeah and something that's so interesting to me too is like I can listen to hundreds of hours of Alex's show and There is a plausible way for me to think like this guy's hung up on Max Planck Oh, well, maybe he just read something that he thinks is interesting in a book

Probably and it never would like it would never cross my mind to be like, is there a bigot reason why this is his paradigm? And this exchange that he has with Shmueli, like, it really made me reconsider and look into is there a reason that a Nazi would be into Max Planck and not other people? Oh, oh. There you go. Makes sense. Great. I know it is it is so much like it is a a an assumption that you are looking at things through a bigot point of view whenever you imagine what Alex is thinking or doing or anything. The motivations behind it and

it is a blind spot of your own when you don't even know that there could be a bigotry. Like, why did he get those zebra cakes? Oh, you know why. Wait, I don't. I genuinely don't. But I think also if you make a default of like every position comes from a place of it must come from a place of bigotry, I think that you're falling into the same like sort of thought shortcuts and cheats that lead to mistakes that a lot of people do. It is unfortunate that a lot of times you poke around a little bit and you realize, like, oh shit, a lot more of this is bigotry than I thought.

But starting with that assumption, I think is bad. Yeah. So I'm glad that I didn't. Sure. But now I realize, yeah, no good. No good. So Trump was supposed to attack Iran Thursday night or Friday morning. For non-bigoted reasons. Totally.

So now we're on the 20th, which is Friday. It should have happened by now. Right. There was a bit of a like, because Alex put a time on it, we're just kind of in the lead up to it. But now we're past that time. Okay. And Trump has not attacked his room or Iran. And so now the the war fever, it's broken. Oh, Steve Bannon went to the White House yesterday. It's been a lot of time with Trump. I'll leave it at that. I talked to Steve some off air also on air today on his show.

And here's the good news. War fever has broken at the White House and with Trump and Trump is now got more briefings and the majority of his advisors in the Pentagon and are saying no, you don't want to go directly to war with Iran. Here's why. But Trump had pretty much decided to do it by today. And I said that over the weekend, and it did come out a few days ago. But then as he got more information and all the other horrible scenarios that are probable to happen.

One of them doubling inflation, they close the straightaway modes conservatively, and they can do it. And they've said they'll do it. It just gets worse from there. He pulled back and said two weeks yesterday, and that's great news. So the storyline for the past week or so on the show has been that Trump was going to attack Iran on Thursday night or Friday morning. Alex claimed that he'd heard this from high level sources and that even if that timetable

was incorrect or if the exact time changed, it was coming from Intel, not vibes. Now here we are on Friday morning, getting close to afternoon, and Trump hasn't attacked Iran. His press secretary said that Trump was giving Iran two weeks to negotiate, so this is the direction that Alex is going. He and his patriot buddies like Tucker and Bannon caused enough of a stink about how dangerous attacking Iran was that Trump saw the light and he isn't going to do it. We live in the future, so we know that at about 2am Iranian time the next day, Trump

bombed three nuclear facilities in Iran. The plans for this, which was called Operation Midnight Hammer, were already set by the time that Alex is on air here, and he's just regurgitating bullshit that the Trump press secretary is knowingly or unwittingly lying about. Essentially, Alex is acting as a mouthpiece for a government that's planning attacks while pretending publicly to want diplomacy. Trump posted a statement saying quote, based on the fact that there's substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make

my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks. He said that Thursday evening and the truth is that he'd already made up his mind. Their plan was already there. Falling for this kind of shit is exactly what Alex made a career complaining about the mainstream media doing. And I can't see it as anything other than fitting that this is what he's become. He's doing the exact same shit. I... Like on the one hand, it makes sense. You do not want a government or a military to be obligated to tell you when it's going

to do stuff. Right. Technically, that's not very wise. At the same time, you don't want a government that's like, nah, we're not going to blow up those strangers that you don't know and will never bother you. And then go do it. That's also a problem. You know? So good luck everybody. I am not like a political scientist and I don't know the pressures of being in government. So I'm going to leave that to the side for a moment. I am aware of what it is to talk about stuff. Yes. So for Alex,

he seems really gullible. Yeah, that's that's the issue that I have whether or not a president should declare when they're going to attack somebody. Even that aside, sure. Alex is responding to stimulus that he's getting. And he has heard what he wants to hear and is repeating that. Yeah. I mean, listen, for all for all complaints about blanket pessimism aside, part of the agreement that we have with politics is that even if they're not completely full of shit, they're always at least a little bit full of shit whenever they're talking.

That's what politicians have to do because they can't be like, we're definitely going to have this done. There's got to be negotiating, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? But at the very least, you should not blanket accept anything they say as being 100% going to be the future. Right. You know? And this, this like, I'm'm gonna make a decision within two weeks

First of all decisions already made. Yeah, but second on some kind of weird technicality. You could be like well I did get it right next day is within two weeks, right? So Trump could argue some kind of like haha gotcha great But Alex he is like the war fever has broken and like Trump has listened to us populist patriots, it's Pathetic. It's it's just embarrassing for him to try and claim a win here knowing what we know that Trump is playing them Yeah, this is when some asshole is like God disinformation is necessary for both enemies and allies, right? Ah Cool like go away. Leave me alone. Yeah. No. Hey great that person. That's great. I love it in a book or something like that Yeah, I don't want it from my news source. Yeah, leave me alone. Yeah

So Alex continues just to be wrong about the situation sure two weeks now I Don't think that's a faint to make Iran think everything's okay so they can hit them even harder. No, that's real. And since I surmised all this scanning, all the information, I've talked to people that have met with the president and others and talked about it on air and off air, and it's exactly what I thought was going on.

So there you go. Alex is 100% wrong and whoever these sources are that he talked to were either wrong in the exact same way as him or were feeding Alex misinformation. So he would do exactly what he's doing on air now because that serves the purposes of the power. Yep.

Cool. Yeah, what was that thing about bargains with that guy? You get more of one thing you like, but then you lose something that's almost ironically more important to you? Are you talking about Nick Fuentes' Aryan-Faustian agreement? I think I am. I think I am exactly. So Alex feels pretty good as a whole because he thinks that he has saved the world right from

nuclear war nuclear world war I mean that would feel pretty good yeah yeah and so he starts talking down to all these hawks see now that's where you got a you're gloating a little too soon buddy yeah oh this is rough showboating into all the war hawks and people calling me a traitor all over acts all over everywhere all over talk radio all over you name it shame on you Listen if you want to be involved in geopolitics in the world You can't get your information off the back of a cereal box Okay, or you can't get it by watching Fox News and the war fever crap if you like

America existing If you want Trump's recovery to happen, which is key to everything, then you better grow up. I do this full time for 30 plus years. Jesus, contacts everywhere. But I only contact them to see what they're thinking and saying what they know to confirm what I already come to the analysis of. Okay so Bannon asked me to basically brief the president on his show. I'm sorry. Information does go to Trump and Trump

does watch the war room and he does watch my show he calls it the clips and people get it directly to him Bannon sends him intelligence briefings and clips he should watch. So what I said on Bannon today will undoubtedly be watched by the president probably today. It is late lunch or after that. So that's the level of this information. And that's what we're doing. This is so embarrassing with the hindsight that Alex is just getting played. He's out here thinking he's briefing the president by being on a podcast and all the

while behind the scenes Trump's already decided to bomb Iran. Nothing Alex does or says in any of these shows is going to change that reality. The only thing that's happening here is that Trump has put out a piece of disinformation that's so appealing to Alex that he can't resist reporting on it as fact and even taking credit for it. Now he said that Bannon asked him to brief the president. Yeah, which is a thing to say. Let's listen to that. Let's listen to Bannon ask him to brief the president.

Yeah. Okay. If you walked into the Oval Office this morning, Alex Jones, and had five minutes with the commander in chief, go ahead and roll. Tell me what Alex Jones tells him right now. Mr. President, I absolutely agree with you that the Mullahs want to destroy Israel and that they're unpopular and that they are a serious danger to world peace. But if you look at all the different assessments that I know you've been given, and I know

that most of your advisors have told you, it will bear minimum, cause oil prices, you already see going up to explode. Your most assessable easily blocks right over most by sinking their own ships, much less ours or others. 20% of the oil the world goes through there. So Bannon asked him, imagine you're briefing the president. Yeah. And Alex thinks that that's I briefed the president.

Little bit different. Yeah. Little bit of a difference there. I, while he's giving that speech, I imagine like, I don't know, I don't know, just Iran walking up behind him and he's like, ah shit Iran's behind me Aren't they? They're getting bombed fuck No, but I Imagine that but you not even realize I mean it's totally oblivious

Just like if you've ever seen those clips of the guys who've clearly got a touchdown Running everything's fine and then just drop the ball just an inch before the goal line. You know? That's what it feels. But they don't know! They keep celebrating! They don't know that they have just been on TV for the rest of their lives doing the

dumbest shit they could possibly do. Yeah, this does feel a little bit like that. Yeah so I Think that there's just something about Alex's Fantasy world that is so it's so interesting to me this like imagine you're briefing the president is It's the same as doing it. Yeah watches the clips. I bet that gets you high I bet he gets high off of the idea of like, the president is listening to me, because he doesn't actually believe the president watches Infowars. He says he watches it sometimes.

Sure, that's okay. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. It's in the air. Truth is in the air. I imagine not. But this is Steve Vanden show, so I bet he kind of feels like maybe Trump will listen to this. And that probably gets like, the president could be listening to me, you know? I bet he gets of feels like maybe Trump will listen to this. And that probably gets like,

the president could be listening to me, you know? I bet he gets high off that shit. Sure. I think that the way that his brain works, the narcissism that's required to be this person, I think he has to feel that way even about his own show. But like, this is a bigger rush. Right, right, right, right.

This is a more plausible like validation. I can tell myself he listens to my show. I can tell other people he listens to Steve Bannon's show and I was on it. That kind of thing. Yeah. So this wasn't part of the briefing, but maybe Alex needs to tell somebody about this. But you look at Netanyahu, obviously demon possessed. I mean, look at the guy's eyes. Now get off Jews. When he's talking about war and a little stabilized

things to go it looks like a wolf when he's like 2002. And then we get this country and that country we all have nukes. We got to take them away. He's learned to kind of hide that a little bit. I mean, you look at those eyes though, and I can't even do those eyes, I mean it's just like Absolutely committed to death Probably possessed by Satan himself. I mean I get those vibes. That's high praise in a jolly gremlin demon You know that Smollies obviously got running him. Oh Sure, yeah sure so Jewish people, high profile Jewish people are demon possessed. A lot of them have, more than one have, it's a non-specific

thing to the person and more specific to the group which I don't know, can we describe that as something? No. No, I don't think so. So various Jewish people that Alex has discussed or talked to recently are demon possessed. I do you possess but Trump Maybe is the Messiah Isn't but is that is it? All right, maybe is all right Trump's biggest challenge of his political Really messianic career, I don't mean that literally but the description would be messianic career. I don't mean that literally, but the description would be messianic. And if he can stop World War III and return the Republic and truly win, it is messianic. I don't mean as if he's the Messiah, but I mean it's the only label Fitz is messianic. I get it. Use other words. There are synonyms you could use here. This is very loaded.

He's the big cheese. You could go with that. That would also be equally acceptable. Yeah. He will bring about a new world order. Go for it. Who cares? Yeah. He's the, I guess, dictator in chief. Whatever you like. Yeah. When you're somebody like Alex, who's like, I speak to God, God speaks through me. You should avoid words like that. When you're trying like that when you don't actually mean... when you're when you're trying to pretend that you don't actually mean he's the Messiah, don't use messianic. Don't do it. When you... yeah. Yeah. Because that's the that's the layer of effort that you have to put on top of being full of shit, you know? Like you have to keep the the two storylines separate, otherwise you

reveal you're full of shit. Yeah. It's the same kind of dynamic as like, you know, when you're a crazy violent asshole like Alex, you should just use other words than I'm going to kill you and then say politically. Right. You know, you should use, you should find the richness of language. You find other ways to express this that you don't have to, you know, keep doubling back and like, no, I'm not saying he's Jesus, but he kind of is Jesus. But, nah, come on. So Trump, as Jesus, he wants peace through strength. Very Jesus-like.

Yeah. And this clip ends up becoming a little bit about black magic. And now I'm interested. Yeah. I find this take very interesting. Okay. We have to know the philosophy we're up against. And then we have to have our own philosophy. What do the Israelis say for the massage slogan? Fit the exact slogan, pull up the massage slogan. I think it's by by way of deception, you will conquer. By way of deception you will rule mi6 is British special forces have fortune favors the bold well that's certainly true but imagine by way of deception you will conquer

how about by way of truth you will prosper. Too good. Put it on a shirt. By way of deception thou shalt do war. And obviously war is all about deception. What's camouflage? What's disinformation? But the point is when everything turns into a war

and everything is broken down and everything is deception, you have the breakdown of society, of mental illness, you have endless war, you have lies. That's why Trump wants peace through strength. Overwhelming force, direct, clear agenda, and not a bunch of double, triple dealing, which he's been doing and which the world wants, but only a country that is the most powerful can act like that. Because all the others are gonna use dirty tricks

or black magic. Because they have the excuse that, well, we have to. And by black magic, I don't mean literal. And by my laziness, literal black magic, but the art of black magic, it's when you do something with your will or action that hurts people and that always creates even bigger ripple effects of bad that comes out of it and that comes back on you.

Black magic always comes back on who does it. Mini fold. And it comes back on those around them. So I guess that Black Magic is just being mean to someone. I don't I don't know what the meaningfully this this describes as a fan of Final Fantasy 7 and the Final Fantasy games in general you have Fira you've got for Raga you have got blizzara. You've got blizzard. You've got many different black magic spells you got flair That's the ultimate and fire magic it like these things are available none of them are just like oh I'm gonna get you you use my will that's to be mean. No, there's full on special effects. This seems like the intersection of scam guru and baby talk. Yeah.

This is a little kid on a schoolyard. Yeah. So, Masad's former motto was the Hebrew text from Proverbs 24-6, which can be translated a number of ways, but generally is, quote, for by wise counsel, thou shalt make thy war. There are other ways that this has been translated to English that veer more towards the subterfuge angle like for by strategy war is waged, that kind of thing.

In 1990, a former agent of Mossad named Victor Ostrovsky released a book called By Way of Deception, The Making and Unmaking of a Moss a massage officer which was very critical of massage Sure a lot of the things that he wrote in the book have never been proven either way They've proven true or false But the title of the book is stuck as the go-to translation of Proverbs 24 six for folks in Alex's information space Which is to say a lot of neo-nazis and crypto Nazis, right? Massad has since changed their motto to Proverbs 11, 14, which says, quote, for lack of guidance, a nation fails, but victory is won through many advisors.

Right. Which maintains the same similar point as the other one, but doesn't have the baggage of that book. See now, this is when I feel like editing is so very important. Like if I could go back and like, because there's a lot of confusing shit right there, right? There's a lot of different ways to interpret that. There's a lot of different metaphors there. How about go with idiots die.

So let's not do that. Well, I think that the motto, you're a little bit limited by the book of Proverbs and what is in there. I don't know if idiots die is in Proverbs. And that's what I'm saying. An editor would have helped. Sure. And then the fundamental issue with these old languages like Hebrew or Latin or Greek, you know, like

there isn't super precise translations all the time. Right. You know, like that's always going to be an issue. Right. Cause they didn't have English back then to like kind of bounce their ideas off of. Shocking they didn't come up with English back then. It's so crazy. Yeah. It was right there for the taking. It was available. And it's so clearly the only correct way to communicate. Obviously. There's no way to have a concept that is not describable within the English language. Exactly.

English allows clarity. Like when we're talking about black magic. Nobody is ever confused by the multiple meanings or pronunciations or multiple pronunciation meanings of the same word. Right. Yeah. So when we talk about black magic, we know what we're talking about. We do know what we're talking about. Fyraga. No.

Oh. No. You think it's Fyraga? I think it's Fyraga. No, no, no. It's peeing in a pool. There we go! I knew it. Unless her form of black magic would be peeing in the public pool. That little kid doesn't know they do it,

but I'm just gonna pee in here. Then they gotta put more chlorine in, more stuff. Now it grosses your skin. Now it burns your eyes because they put so much chlorine and chemicals in because everybody's pissing the pool. But you really can't see the pee. But one person takes a dump in the pool, and the whole thing has to be shut down because you can't hide it. Yeah. That makes sense.

Trump administration reportedly looking at nuking the underground nuke base in Iran is the equivalent Of pulling up a septic tank truck that just pumped out 20 septic tanks and putting a hose in a pool and filling it with liquid feces And we're all in that pool we're all in that pool man the the black magic pee Black magic is peeing in the pool. pool. So the way we know black magic, much like the the fruits, is that the consequences will come back on you multiple fold. Well yeah, but in this case it is also apparently that the effects of it are unobservable. Right. Because you don't see the pee in the pool right you think the damage is done by adding more chlorine to the pool Right then burns your skin and which is your eightfold consequences right right right that is what you would presume so

Shit in the pool is not black magic. You know just regular People don't end up adding more chlorine to a pool if you should I mean there's listen There's a lot of consequences that come from shitting in a pool. Sure. You have to get out of the pool. That's the first consequence. Yeah.

I think the only thing that I think is relevantly different between these two is the ability to ignore one. You can ignore peeing in the pool. You can't ignore shitting in the pool. So black magic must be things that you can ignore. Right, right, right. It's something that doesn't trick- So if you shit in the pool, oftentimes there will be an investigation.

There will be questions. There will be a short investigation probably. Who shitted in this pool? You, or him, or that person, right? But black magic, there is no investigation. You can't have you can't have people asking questions. That's that's the magic part. I guess now, this is dumb. I think Alex thought of this and then was like, Ooh, I am lost down this road. I have started I've started it's fun to talk about being in the pool. I know it is it is like the confidence

Combined with the lack of knowledge combined with the desire to kind of sound like there's knowledge would make him such a great like Assistant basketball coach. Yes, like not not head not head No, he'd be bad at actual basketball make decisions But when you when he'd be like,, you got to get the ball in the basket, you'd be like, this is the best metaphor I've ever heard. I will 100% do exactly that. Yeah. And I also have to double back to him earlier saying that black magic is using your will

to hurt people. Yes. Right. Or actions, which somehow... But what will is being exerted by someone peeing in a pool? I mean... It's just laziness I guess like the will would ostensibly be negative towards another person on purpose Yeah, which it's not if you're just peeing in a pool

It's just generalized And let's unless you are peeing in the pool to make them add more chlorine to hurt people now We're in black magic never met that person. That would be a very strange series of choices to make Yeah, there are so many better ways to cover people with chlorine even yeah, huh anyway This is confusing. Yep. It is it's not a good one So Alex has a guest on the show and it is a fella who's running for office hoping to primary Lindsey Graham, okay?

Hoping to primary Lindsey Graham. Okay. All right. I wanted to get a very interesting fellow on I've been following his work for a while who's running against Lindsey the queen of war Graham The mini me of great warmonger globalist John McCain Marking ledges of southern South Carolina, serve a Republican and candidate for the US Senate, challenging incumbent Lindsey Graham. A lot of the polls show he's got a really good chance of winning. I hate to give Alex any props, but this is exactly what he should be doing. All the dumb bullshit about Rabbi Shmuley and how he's secretly briefing Trump through being on Bannon's podcast, it's all just a bunch of entertainment filler.

But where he holds the ability to make any difference in terms of power is by promoting anyone who's primarying GOP politicians that Alex doesn't like. Alex thinks that Lindsey Graham is too effeminate. It is a globalist who's not loyal to Trump, so he wants him out. But Graham is also a hawk about war, and it's very easy to come up with a marketable reason to want to get him out of office. Primary and Gram is something that could have support across the aisle, uniting the extreme right wing with people on the left even. This is what Alex should spend his time doing, but I think it's too late for him to play this game personally.

The hope you'd have here is to use a big platform like Alex's show to promote and validate fringe insurgent candidates, but I don't think that Alex has the ability to validate anyone anymore. Association with him is only going to stigmatize a candidate because the two sides Alex hopes to unite don't really like him. In the aftermath of events like Waco and 9-11, Alex was able to form a coalition audience out of extreme right-wingers who thought that he was their voice. The radio guy who was tossed aside by the elites who just wanted their mainstream right-wing voice out there in the form of Rush Limbaugh.

That group was supplemented by non-political folks who were just generally paranoid and enjoyed conspiracy theories, and by left-wing folks who agreed with Alex on some primary things and were tricked into thinking that Alex was an ally for them that they could work with. These would be folks on the left who were super against the war in Iraq and felt like Alex was unbeholden to corporate media that was beating the drums of war. These were people who were against the bank bailouts and thought that Alex was actually on the side of Occupy Wall Street.

You could make an argument that like, hey, we have this important issue. We're on the same page about, let's get over our differences. It's happening again right now with Rogan. How they're doing it Uh-huh. Yep, Alex was able to make it appear like his politics were broad enough to include all of these folks and that worked For a while, but that game is up now Paranoid conspiracy fans have a million other choices of people to follow many of whom are far more creative than Alex and less reliant on Just pretending that sci-fi movies are real. If you want that entertainment, there's better out there. The extreme right-wing folks have new voices that far more closely align with them than

what they believe in Alex, and he's become a watered-down voice in that space compared to other figures who are willing to spout clear anti-Semitism and white supremacy. And the left-leaning folks who might have fallen for the illusion that Alex really wasn't all that right-wing and maybe you could make common cause with him, they generally aren't as susceptible to that trick as they used to be. You'll see left-leaning people getting tricked into thinking they can work with other folks like Alex, like Elon Musk or Tucker or Rogan, like you said, but for the most part, Alex doesn't really have that cache himself anymore. No he has

basically the proximity to people who may have that ability, but he's just kind of in their wake he's riding along yeah the the like consolidation of these people is such that They are still, they're so big that there's an easier way of tricking yourself into being like, well, there's no choice but to at the very least, you know, engage in all of these things. Whereas Alex used to have that bigness in the form of integrity. He used to have that size because it was like, he can't be bought.

He can't, you know, you can buy Rogan. We know that he's advertised on Spotify, you know, like that kind of thing. Whereas that's where Alex could have the upper hand, and that's gone. Yeah, yeah. But these other people have a facsimile of it. In some way, there are people on the left, a Democratic party, who will be like, let's see if we can work with Rogan. Let's see if we can work with Elon Musk. Because they have a source of power that is still attractive. Like Elon Musk still has billions of dollars and is

a dipshit and is willing to give that money to people that serve his interests. Rogan has a giant audience still, and there's power in that, and they want to court those things. Alex doesn't have that anymore. He's just that. He's just a guy talking about pissing in pools. On top of this, his entire dynamic is flipped, where he's invested in defending the government that's in power.

When Clinton, Bush, and Obama were in office, Alex didn't want to root out the deep state while keeping the president in power. He wanted the whole thing overturned. Now Alex wants to keep the guy he likes in power, and keep power in the hands of the people who are specifically loyal to him. People who aren't loyal to Trump, or do things that Trump isn't supposed to like, they're the deep state figures who need to be taken out, but let's not upset the whole thing. Right.

This game doesn't work, and because it doesn't, he isn't going to be able to help this guy running against Lindsey Graham at all. There isn't a base that Alex represents that he can energize to vote for him. Like, I don't know how to put this other than like, this is a meaningless endorsement. Yeah. Like, it does. Once you're the guy who's like, you can do more within the system than outside, than everybody who's like, no, you can't. You've lost them instantly.

The moment you say that you're gone. Yeah. It's still very early for the 2026 race, but a recent Qantas poll asked people in South Carolina about a hypothetical ballot where Mark Lynch was running against Graham in the GOP primary, and 48% preferred Graham compared to 23% for Lynch. That's a big gap, but it's also a pretty strong sign of vulnerability for Graham.

Lynch isn't a household name and really was in that hypothetical poll as a stand-in for someone other than Graham. This poll in theory says that 23% of Republican voters are probably just not interested in voting for Graham, and under 50 specifically are. That same poll showed 29% of these voters being undecided, so there could be some traction here. Like he might have something to work with, but Alex is in no position to chip in. And even beyond that, that kind of polling is going to galvanize or encourage other candidates. It's going to show that Graham is vulnerable, has a weakness.

And so other GOP primary candidates are going to probably want to get involved. That would be the idea. Right. So Mark Lynch has this appearance of this 23% polling, but that poll might actually have the effect of splitting that up among other people. Unnamed guy. Could be, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But it does show that Lindsey Graham might be in trouble and you know. I would like for those polls to have to include just generic woke candidate. They should have to because there might be 2.2%

and that's what you wanna find out. Who's this guy? What's he thinking? Cartoon character of- Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah. LGBTQ studies student. Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh, oh, Yosemite Sam is a woke candidate?

No, no, no, no, no. I thought I was going with just out there cartoon characters next, not also the painting, the, yeah. Yeah, that would be fun. Yosemite Sam. Yeah, why not? Just throw it in there. Who cares?

So, Mark Lynch is on the show, and he sucks. I have no interest in him. But at points he's trying to like talk about some issues and polling and stuff like that. And Alex is predictable. You make a key point that I didn't think of. You're right. Lindsey Graham is just emblematic. He's the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot of rhinos and Democrat operatives that poses Republicans in state, local, federal seats, that we all need to continue to do assessments of these people because they're all over the place. Yep. Well, his constitutional lifetime voting scores 57, 69 and below is an F. So he's failing us. He's not voting constitutionally. In Club for Growth, his lifetime score is 65. That's an F. In the Heritage Action for America score, lifetime score 56. And his Liberty score, conservative review score, was 43.

Well, let me ask you this, Mark, what is his wife's politics like? His wife? Oh, oh he didn't have a wife. What's his girlfriend's politics? I don't believe he has a girlfriend. Wait a minute, wasn't he married? He was the wife of John McCain, I forgot, sorry. Boo!

There you go. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, he's trying to talk about how like his grams voting record isn't in line with these constitutionalist principles and stuff. And Alex is like, Oh, he's gay, isn't he? I mean, listen, I am of two minds. First mind. corrosive, damaging, useless. Don't do that. Second mind, probably more successful strategy than any kind of voting record questions.

Um, maybe. Among his, among his voters. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a, a campaign operative for the GOP. I don't know what their rules are anymore. Um, it's unserious. That's what I was thinking. But campaign operative for the GOP. I don't know what their rules are anymore. Um, it's unserious What i'm thinking it's not uh

It's it's indicative of the way that alex engages with stuff Yeah, it is far more the hey, let's uh beat up this guy that I think is gay as opposed to like Hey, let's look at what the votes are. Let's and alex, you know, he's a policy wonk He likes to pretend that that's who he is, but he's not. He's a bully. Feels like we're just in high school in the locker room. So now we enter a uncomfortable little realization,

and that is that Trump has not endorsed this guy. Ooh. And in fact, Trump has endorsed Lindsey Graham. No, but Lindsey Graham isn't a constitutionalist, Dan. Yeah, it's not good. Oh, no. So Alex tries to constitutionalist, Dan. Yeah, it's not good. Oh, no. So Alex tries to rationalize this. How we doing?

And brings up things that Roger has maybe said behind the scenes. Roger loves Trump. He knows him super well. It's how he learned a lot about how Trump operates. You know, Roger was his wingman when he'd be in between divorces and Trump didn't want to have his girlfriends in the news. So you know, he'd be the guy that would go out to dinner with him. So you can say it was Roger Rogers that close to Trump.

He knows Trump very well. He says he's genius level on some things, but other levels. If somebody just tells him nice things up front and he feels good about it, he'll trust him. And Roger just pulls his hair out over this. And so, but pressure on Trump works if he respects you and you give him the facts, he doesn't respect people that just kiss his ass at the same time. So I think we should all put pressure on Trump to certainly if he's not going to remove the

endorsement in the polls show you can easily beat the Democrat, which I think is clear. I think he's been advised that they'll cheat more if there is a real Republican. And so Trump, what's been told? So Trump's like, well, I'll go with who they'll let get in. I just, I just think if he just fully got behind you, but I get it. If he endorses you early, then Graham will publicly stab him in the front, not the back. Here I am saying Trump's not that sophisticated, but actually is that sophisticated. What?

It's just very frustrating Yeah, that does sound pretty frustrating. It would be a lot simpler if you were like, okay If you have a back a bus a bucket of puppies Trump is yours. Oh The end. All right. Yeah So if I'm to understand what Alex is saying, yeah Trump is siding with Lindsey Graham. Right. Because if he doesn't, the globalists will cheat and put a Democrat in office. At least more. They will cheat more. Right. Because he's a real Republican. Right. If Lynch is running, they'll

cheat more. Right. But if it's not a real Republican, they will cheat less, but not not at all. Right. And it's a district where they'd have to cheat quite a bit. They'd have to cheat a lot. Maybe too much. Yeah. There's a pro-GOP index there. Plus 80 million. So it seems like even if we buy into what Alex is saying, and he's describing Trump as a ultimate coward Yeah

That will not stand up for shit right sides with the globalists Because the alternative would make him look bad, right? But actually wouldn't be any different and also flatter him He'll go along with them a Democrat or Lindsey Graham functionally is the same to Alex as being in office. According to those scores. Right. So Trump is allowing a Democrat to be in office in the form of Lindsey Graham because it looks better to have a Republican in office and he's the Republican that the globalists will allow be in office. So it sounds like Trump is a coward and a scammer. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting to describe your messianic figure as a big loser who'll

do what anybody tells them to do if they're nice. But hey, to each their own messianic figure, right? And this formulation of like Roger was the wingman when Trump was between divorces, because he didn't want his lady to be in the news. It's interesting to me because like, what is that at the end of the day? That's Roger and Trump running a scam on the media to hide information that they don't want to be out in public. Yes, correct. I feel like Alex saying that this is their relationship, it really should call into question, like, have they continued to do stuff like that?

You would think, maybe, maybe you would think, perhaps this is not an isolated incident, and instead, a pattern of behavior. Is this indicative of their relationship, that they run public scams together? Interesting. Oh well. See, now this is why all Messiahs really peaked with St. Patrick. Because what is there more, like, wholesome than just getting rid of all those fucking snakes? Just getting them out of there.

Well. See, there you go. Yeah. It doesn't get better than that. Well, snakes are an important part of the ecosystem. Not where they were. Without them. Too many of them. Well, but without an important part of the ecosystem. Not where they were. Without them.

Too many of them. Wow, but without them, we would have mongoose overrunning. Right? Aren't they natural enemies? Is that the main ecological niche that snakes occupy? The mongoose population control? Without them, mongoose have no natural predators. Right, right, right.

Mongoose would just roam the earth like gods. Yeah, and mongoose are rude. They are dicks! That's why even snakes have to take them down. Yeah, that makes, no, it makes sense. Yeah, St. Patrick left us at the mercy. At the mercy of monkeys? Yeah.

So I don't think that this Mark Lynch guy has a lot of a chance. I think that there's an opportunity for the GOP to primary somebody if they want to in that seat. Yeah. I don't know if it's going to be him and I don't think going on Alex's show is going to do shit for him. Yeah.

But... I mean, in general, it kind of has the vibe of nobody is going to vote for somebody they want to vote for. You know, like in a congressional race. A lot of it is voting against. Right. Yeah. And it's just like, if you have somebody who can make people want to vote for them, maybe

they've got a shot. Now is a good time to take your shot because everybody hates the guy or person who's there. Yeah, I think that we are in a place where I don't think it is fully there yet, but we're in a place where providing a positive vision could become a very attractive electoral strategy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there's so much negative and so much voting against people that providing some kind of a, no, I actually want this Yeah, that might cut through a lot of noise. I kind of don't like any of these fuckers Yeah, here's what I want to do. Yeah, and we're going to do that

But I'm not sure I'm not sure how much the like full body of the population is there But it feels like we're on the way towards that. It's tough to believe. It's tough to believe. So something you can believe is that you gotta buy that fucking gold. You gotta buy that fucking gold. Alex has been having Kirk Elliott on every day. That's a war bond if you've ever heard one. Yeah so here's a little of that. Now US Intel says oh if you keep attacking Iran they've got the parts to put the bomb together now they'll nuke Israel. Israel responds and says yeah just breaking the the Because you've been warning about the trade over most. Iran says they'll seal it. 20% of the oil comes through that. That bare minimum will trigger an economic collapse. It will derail.

The numbers are clear. People still don't seem to get this though. It's at least going viral. There's been new developments as you were on yesterday in the markets. LARSON We need to sell that gold. Yep. All of this stuff is ramping up all of this anxiety and all of these news stories in order to Funnel those feelings towards now buy gold from Kirk to make sure that you're safe

From all of this terrible inflation and the Strait of Hormuz clothes early And so that's just kind of normal. That's that's what he does. Hey, the earth is on fire But ah if you got gold, you'll probably be able to eat. You'll probably be fine. You'll probably be fine. Yeah. I can't see any reason you would be fine, but you'll probably be fine. Nah, you'll be fine. Yeah, you'll be fine. You won't be fine, but you'll be fine. I mean, how is it possible to both want survival food and gold at the same time? Well, survival food is insurance you can eat. There you go. As is gold. Right, but if you need one, chances are the other will be unhelpful. Mmm. Yeah, I mean this this gets to the fundamental tension that the

gold sales always have and that is that there's like a sound investment angle that they're trying to sell this on. It's like, gold would be up 20% and then you can sell it and look, you've made money, you're free of retirement. That's how it works. Or whatever. But then at the same time, there's the survival food element of it,

which is once the shit all goes down, no one's gonna accept paper money. Yeah, you'll need to barter with gold? Yeah. Okay, all right. So those two things are both present in Alex's sales pitch and they can't really they don't really work together now But we have one last clip from Alex and Kirk and this just bummed me out Kirk Elliott precious metals KPM calm for slash cold

30 seconds left. What about the financial instruments? Those are the real key things to roll over Yeah, your 401ks your old your old ones, your IRAs, roll them over into physical metals. And we're not talking about paper certificates, mining shares, mutual funds, we're talking about physical metals. So allocate your retirement plans, where most people have their wealth, give us a call, go to the website, katienpam.com forward slash gold, follow us on x at Kirk Elliott

PhD will get you the information you need and put your mind at peace during these turbulent times Alright, I really thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon. That is so sad That like you probably could fuck up people's lives Yeah, you know Encouraging them to put their 401ks into his gold sale. Yeah Yeah, I imagine that the way he gets around it is like these are the people that are doing this are gonna find somewhere else To go because this is this is the world that we exist in but man. You don't have to do it I'm sure most scammers are able to reassure themselves by thinking, hey, whoever fell

for this is going to fall for something. I'm sure. I'm sure. And I hope they have a lot of peace of mind because of it. No, of course not. But like, I think that there's something sinister about running one of these types of companies and being like, hey, you know, you got a little extra money. Gold is a good way to hedge your investments.

And so that's kind of sinister, but whatever. When you're like, hey, this retirement plan that maybe you've been putting into for 20 years working, you should move that over to my gold. There's something elevated about how cruel that is. And Alex loves to talk about how the globalists are raiding the pension funds and the 401ks and stuff like this is some kind of evil thing that the globalists are doing. And he's engaging in quite similar behaviors on behalf of his gold salesmen. I understand that any kind of 401k or investment carries risk along with

it. But these people don't have your best interest at heart. It's not a financial advisor. This is a guy who's running a gold and silver business. There's there's no there's no PhD in Ethics let's let's put it that way that PhD unrelated to to any kind of moral thinking mm-hmm well I've noticed that Economists uh-huh who also run gold companies talk like this a lot they generally don't sound more like Kierkegaard Economists who don't own gold and silver companies don't often talk like this. They don't talk They don't I don't necessarily like the way they talk either, but what you gonna do There's at least they don't own gold. There's quite a difference that owning a silver and gold company

Seems hugely important to the the next steps people take. Yeah wild so fuck these people. Yeah to the next steps people take. Wild. So fuck these people. When we get back, next time we reconvene, Trump will have bombed Iran. Right. And so Alex is now going to have to create an explanation. We're gonna have to rewrite all of it.

This is getting retconned. Today is gone. All of this stuff about like war fever has broken yep all gone it's gonna need to immediately be backtracked yep and I think that this this will be interesting to see him try to pull this off and he's gonna have to get war fever yep and eventually he's gonna have to get real sick about Epstein stuff do some black magic what you have to pee in the pool for sure so we'll be back to check in on that, but until then, we have a website.

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the Mysterious Professor. Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.