Knowledge Fight - #1062: July 8, 2025

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to see how Alex handles Trump's continuing cover-up of the Epstein investigation, as it becomes more clear that he's reached a turning point.

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I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Sleen, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today, I don't know if it's a bright spot, but it's just what I've been thinking about. Okay. I am in the kind of mood lately

where I think MOP's song, Andy Up, is the perfect song. I think it's the best song that's ever been written. Okay. That speaks to where my head's at. Yeah. Okay. That's the best one ever written.

Ever. Okay. It's the platonic ideal of a song. People threatening to rob. Here's what I like about when you reach that level of like, I mean, that's music criticism, baby. It doesn't get better than that. That's how it goes.

No arguments. Five record stars. It gets me hyped. It gets me pumped up. And that's all I'm looking for. How many times in a row have you listened to it? A bunch. Like, but like, really?

I think I could probably go for three before I want to shift. Three, straight? Three times? All right, all right. But I could go to the remix featuring Buster Rhymes. All right. Wow. And then switch back and forth.

I might be able to extend this to like five or six. Man, Busta gets greater with time. I think, but I think I appreciate Busta more over time. Sure. Amazing. Pass the Cuvacier. Oh, God. Put your hands or your eyes.

He talks very quickly. He does. You're a very fast rapper. And you have to nod your head until you break your neck. Yes, absolutely. A lot of great stuff. When the world ends, it will be because Twista and Busta have a talk fast off. I bet they've done a song together.

I'm sure they have. But they've never tried to defeat each other at the end of the world. Well, but there was a song on ELE II, Extinction Level Event, too, Buster Rhyme's album, where he did a rap fast off with it. mystical. Like the two of them were showing off with each other. Sure. Twista wasn't there, but the two of them are both people who, you know,

they talk fast. Sure, listen, but you know, you kill Sean Conner, you still got to go up against Connor McLeod. Listen, the Highlander is the Highlander. It's the quickening is what beckons us all. It's Twista versus Busta at the end. Sure. So what's your bright spot? My bright spot is

my man. Later on tonight, my wife and I are going to watch a new season of the challenge begin. Oh, is that right? Yeah. I didn't know that that had happened yet. Oh, yeah. I also would like to tell you that there's a song by Buster Rhym's featuring Twista called Can You Keep Up? So I think... See, this is what I'm saying. I think they understand each other, yeah. Fair enough. But I also think it happened 20 years ago. Yeah. In 1998. Yeah. So whatever those guys were relevant, Jordan. I think this has...

Maybe the question hasn't been settled. Yes. The question has been asked. Right. Right. Right. All right. I'm sorry. No, no, no, I'm a thousand years old, is the point. Speaking of which, the challenge. Yes, absolutely. Now we can talk about something almost 30 years older than that. I don't know.

I don't even know. Do you know the cast? I don't know anything. I'm going into this episode fully, like, no knowledge of what's going on. Because I'm assuming that we're doing a whole new thing. Oh, yeah, a totally new thing. Well, I mean, I mean in terms of like, The last challenge was four groups of people doing that whole thing.

The eras. Right, right, right. The old people, the young people, the slightly old and the slightly young. Right, which is like the four quadrants of a movie studio or whatever. But, yeah, I don't know. We watched a couple of weeks ago, my wife put on an old season of the challenge, and we watched the original rivals, you know? And to see the game construction back then, now it's, it's completely.

completely different, you know? Yeah, it used to be party games. It used to be very simple. Spin around in a circle and drink milk. Yes, absolutely. Who's not going to throw up? That used to be what they would do. And now it's like Hollywood stunts.

No, they have escalated. They're driving cars off cliffs and shit, you know? Yeah, on a fairly regular basis. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, their budget has gone up considerably. And people used to be fit, sure. But now some of these people look like they're reided out. Like, it's crazy.

Yeah, and a fair amount of the content of the show is like montages of them working out. Yeah, absolutely. Like, it's, the focus of it has gone from like party alcoholics to like Hollywood stunt people. It is, it is crazy when you watch one of those old seasons and you're like, we've spent 20 minutes on these people fighting and drinking. There's not been a challenge for a while. No, they're wasted and they're yelling about a misunderstanding. Absolutely. And that's content.

That's what we do. I also am not, I had forgotten that a new season was starting and I know nothing about it. So I'm excited to jump in blind myself. We're going to do it. It's going to be fun. Sweet. Yeah. Well, today, before we get to that, we have to do some work.

Oh, no. Do the job. And that is talking about July 8th, 2025. Okay. The continuing unfolding of the Trump Epstein. cover-up. Wild. Shit's bad.

It's so hard to remember how long ago that was. Yep. When this ball started rolling, because it's still rolling. It is. Like, in the present, we're still having... People are still talking about it. Well, it was just the other day Trump was talking about Epstein stealing defray from him.

Yes. Like, okay. All of this, we're in aftershocks, even to the time of the recording. But, yeah, on the 8th is the day after the FBI put out the memo. Right. And so that's where we are. And we'll talk about how Alex is doing. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

That's a great idea. So first, Gene Hackman sounds like what Hadeo-Kujima would name a biochemist. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, rest in peace to Daddy Funk.

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I hope you don't get that sign. And thank you, Shart Marks. You're now a policy won't. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we got a technocrat of the mixed order. So thank you so much to Deirdre from London. You are now a technocrat.

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I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. So the FBI released their Epstein memo on July 7th, and it initiated a meltdown in the right-wing media. The propagandists and shit-talkers who made their career stirring up a satanic panic to use against their political enemies had to somehow spin the news that their

messianic leader, the guy who was supposed to be the only thing standing. between the devil and all of us Americans wasn't going to arrest anyone who worked with Epstein. It was a slap in the face, but more importantly, it was very bad for business. Idol-worshipping Trump had made them a lot of money, and this created an inescapable fork in the road. Down one road was maintaining support for Trump, but that came at the cost of losing all credibility you may have had when it came to pretending to care about crimes against children. Down the other road was maintaining the conspiracies that fuel the current satanic panic, But in order to stay in that boat, you now have to think that Trump is a villain, which requires you to give up whatever connection you may feel exists between yourself and the power structure.

You may have given up the idea of ever feeling connected to power structure again if you want to go down this road because Trump was supposed to be the savior. And it turns out he's a fraud. How are you supposed to ever get on board with the next? Oh, this is the real anti-establishment guy. You almost have to become totally disillusioned. Yeah, and if your main base is massively religious, it's going to be hard for them to get over breaking at least seven of the Ten Commandments on that one guy. Yeah. Yeah.

So on the seventh, there was still a little hope that maybe Trump could sell out all the people he appointed to high-level positions in the Department of Justice, and maybe this could save the ship. Sure. It was Pam Bondi and Kosh Patel who'd promised that there would be these big revelations that they did the big PR stunts. If Trump threw them to the mob and pretended they'd acted against his direct order. orders, maybe the base would accept that sacrifice and everything could go back to normal. But by the 8th, you would have to be delusional to think that there was any hope of that. Countless figures online and in the larger right-wing media were clearly not buying the FBI's memo and were making it clear that this was a pill that they were unwilling to swallow.

Elon Musk who had retracted his earlier accusation that Trump was in the Epstein files, decided it was safe to play that game again and started trolling more. Sure. There's just nowhere to go. Trump is acting in ways that are transparently corrupt, even to his most in-denial supporters, and he's telling people who are concerned about it to shut up. The only chance you really have is a Trump-worshipping media outlet is to give lip-service opposition to what's going on, try to get people excited about another shiny set of keys, and hope things blow over.

The only other alternative is to do a reassessment from the ground up of how you could have been so wrong about this guy, And Alex isn't going to do that. No. No, no, no, no, real. So on the eighth, here's where we are as Alex begins the show. All right, I am extremely torn today on what is the most important story. How could you be torn on what's the most important story? Well, I mean, you know, on the one hand, sure, we have this satanic panic and it churns out we should have been panicked about being Satan.

But on the other hand... Anything else? Methylene blue is kind of... Kind of going up. We're getting a lot of eyes on this thing. Yeah. You get the sense immediately out of the gate that like, okay, I think you want to talk about something else.

Anything else. I think you may be in denial about what is the most important story for you to cover. Anything else. What could it, what could. And I mean, in a way, it is in arguable that there are more important things to be talking about. You know, there's the ethnic cleansing's happening in like three different places right now. These are very important things.

But on the other hand, these are not. important compared to what could be the downfall of the presidency. You know, like, what is happening? No, and I would argue that a lot of those things are far more important for serious people to be talking about. Sure. But for Alex, there is no other story. That I agree with.

Nothing else exists. Absolutely. It's so, it's an elephant in the room that if you talk about anything else, people are going to be able, what the fuck? It's in your house. This is your wheelhouse. We are here for this. Yeah.

So Alex, I mean, he can't avoid the topic. Right. And so he, gets back to the theme of Trump is taking control of a blackmail operation. Not a good theme. And I was the first to say yesterday, looks to me like Trump's taking control of the blackmail file, that the FBI and CIA had and that he would then use that against the deep state as they've been using it against their own system. That's what it is.

And some people don't understand how that works because some folks aren't very smart. It's scary how dumb some people are, but it's scary. but I'm not defending that. I think that's extremely dangerous and immoral, but I did war game out why Trump had made that decision. Well, and I said that was my speculation, but I think that was the case. Well, now today and yesterday,

Trump put out a statement praising Cash Patel and Bongino saying now they can move on and do their important work of fighting crime. So that's Trump. saying no, this is me. Of course it comes from Trump. I love how people want to go, oh, it's Pam Bondi. Throw her overboard or any of this. And I'm not trying to attack Trump.

I'm just simply going to lay out the facts here, okay? And because no women, no kids. I'm like Tony Montana. I ain't killing no women, no kids. I'm not hurting women and kids. And I'm not getting anywhere, defending any of this stuff. Okay.

So that's, he's, he's stated his, uh, his line. You're right on, you're right next to defending this stuff by saying the things that you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. You're very near defending this stuff. Quite near. Quite near.

But I think that what he's trying to evoke is like a feeling of, oh, no. He's trying to perform like, he's surprised. Right. At, uh, this turn of events. Yeah. Like, I don't want to be anywhere near this. Oh, my God. I am quite near this.

I mean, this is, it is, it is, it is almost something that I want to experience. Or perhaps am experiencing as we speak right now, right? The idea of a mental block so strong that you're forced to try and argue against this. I don't even know what that would feel like. Maybe I'm going insane. Maybe all of this is because I'm arguing against something like that right now. That's the only explanation because this is insane. Yeah, no, I think it's just insane.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that Alex is just, he's reached a point where even he realizes, like, there isn't a way to, like, have my feet on both sides of this divide. Nope. It's just not going to sustain. And he doesn't know what to do, really, but he knows that one side is like, okay, I've been really clear that is like child abuse, devil stuff.

Yeah. I know that I can't support that. Yeah. I have to be against that. Yeah. So in a sense. what we're seeing is Alex wrestling with like, oh my God, there actually is like a primary directive.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, why can't you just, if all the times just go back to your instincts, your instincts is a giant weird ape gorilla man. Start screaming that this guy sucks. Move on. Yeah.

You're an ape gorilla man. Scream. Yeah. Don't. Like, it's supposed to be like, okay, now he's the devil. right? Done. Boom.

We found the new devil, everybody. Why are you trying to split hairs about this? Be joyous about it. Be like, surprise,

the devil's inhabited Trump now. We get to go on a new hunt. Yeah. But instead, what Alex does is tries to find

the jangly keys. And so there's some other headlines about people attacking ice. 169th day of the Trump presidency. And to say things

are white hot, an incredibly fluid and incredibly dynamic and dangerous would be an understatement. Tuesday bombshell broadcast. Eleven members of an anti-foteroous cell apprehended after attempting to kill ICE agents in an ambush. Meanwhile, Democrats are officially going into civil war mode. Escalating attacks against federal agents nationwide must watch, share, live feed,

on X, and an info wars.com, forthslash show. So that's the headline for his show on this. day. And I get that Alex doesn't just have one story to cover, but he kind of does. The headline for this show can't be about a planned ambush of ICE agents. It really does need to be about the chosen God

King deciding that he wants to start using blackmail to control the world. Ice ambushes can be big news for Fox and Friends or some other outlet, but Info Wars has been a religiously driven propaganda outlet that existed to promote Trump for the past almost decade. They've exploited sensationalized

conspiracies about the abuse of children, to argue that Trump was the only solution to the evils in the world. And now it looks like he's part of the evil plot all along. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. There is no other story for Alex. His job is to clean this mess up. And trying to pretend anyone cares about this ice ambush on a day like this, that's an act of surrender.

Yeah. On any other day in the past, this is a perfectly fine headline for him to cover or to write this as like, oh, here's what we're going to cover today. But on July 8th, this is cowardly. This is the pinnacle of a man, running from what he needs to do. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, but if there's a situation, I kind of want the president and really powerful people in the situation room, all together, working on stuff. Not like, we're going to get out of here and let you guys handle this one. I got a whole different story to work on. Honestly, we got some other stuff in the works, so I'm going to get out of here. There are very few things that are like, okay, this preempts all coverage.

Yeah. But this is one of them for Alex. All of these people should be on like a giant conference call. Like, hey, it's me, Tucker. I'm calling from Maine. Everybody feeling good today? Like, that's what it should be. Yeah.

How are we going to spin this? How are we going to do this? Because I have no fucking clue. Yeah. So Alex, Alex, he spends a fair amount of time on trying to make people scared about Antifa. Sure. And then he announces that he's going to cover Trump's cabinet meeting that Trump is doing. Go protest to an abortion clinic to big city and they'll show up.

and like half of them like, like, big black circles around their eyes. I mean, they're demon-possessed, folks. And so they're cranking up, they're getting ready, and they are very low IQ, usually meth heads as well, but they have professors above them. That's always their control officers who are the managers. But you don't see them on the street. They're back behind the scenes, pulling the strings with the NGOs.

Now that said, though, they got smarter leftists that again I just going to go up in a parking garage or in a panel van go out to one of these demonstrations whether they're attacking police and all this and they're just going to point at the crowd and spray them. Are they the smarter leftists? And then leave a MAGA manifesto there. Doesn't be a very smart.

Just like when you got the guy going, it was going to kill with a group. But now we don't hear who the group was. 70 lawmakers and it was going to be blamed on Trump and me of course and magically I mean I said the week before that happened

and then they go kill a bunch of lawmakers or illegal aliens or black college that's what they're pre-programming and then magically the laptop or the manifesto it's because of me of course I mean it's just so predictable so I've kind of set the table there that's just some of what we've got here

but I want to go now to the live roundtable cabinet meeting that Trump's just now kicking off. We'll listen and watch some of this duck in and out of it. And then I'm going to hit the ground running. The main transmission is really going to start when we go to break here in about 10, 11 minutes. When I come back, I'm loaded for bear, I'm ready. He's ready to go.

It doesn't seem like it. The Minnesota shooter guy, like in the letter to the FBI, he said very explicitly he was working alone. Yeah. Alex is just made up that there's like a group that now we don't know about. You know, he's in a tizzy. And no one cared. No.

That he was an Info Wars fan. Nope. No. Like, it's, everyone probably just expected. Yeah. That was the kind of shit he was watching. Pretty well assumed at this point. There's no consequences for Alex.

Nope. So there have been some floods in Texas. Mm-hmm. And a lot of people have died. Yes. And, uh, so that's what Trump's cabinet meeting. Right. Is supposed to be about?

Right. Um, you know, is the response good enough? Is, uh, is FEMA doing enough? you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and so Alex has an interesting take on the floods and the response to them that he's going to share before we go to this cabinet meeting.

Okay. Now they're blaming one of the little towns for not putting a million dollars worth of alarm systems in. I mean, most of these towns, there's like one gas station. Okay. So there's rivers and mountains and, and when you go out in these areas, people need to understand

that they need to be aware of the weather. I'm not blaming anybody. I'm just saying, being brought up around here and flash floods are about everywhere, particularly in the hill country west of Austin, because it's mountains and hills and scrub brush. When a ton of water comes down, it gets concentrated and it rises.

And it's a tragedy. and it's the nanny state though. Is that what it is? They don't creep in and take control of everything. If they have their way, you won't be able to leave out your front door. We can make you really safe. We just lock you in a cage to do it.

Now, people have gotten away from the land, people have gotten away from common sense, people have gotten domesticated, and, you know, you got big storms coming in. Everybody I've always known knows you get to high ground. So what happened is, is people have just gotten too soft and it's sad. And when you get soft, you get hurt.

We'll be right back, stay with us. Yeah, people are too soft. That's the problem with these, these, what happened to weather weapons? What happened to, like, globalists controlling the weather in order to push their agenda? Like, people are just too soft? That's where we've gotten now? I mean, this is dumb. Of all, of all the things to go with, for Alex, it could have been, it's, it's, it's,

It could have been easy to blame it on liberals doing something, anything, anything other than just being like, hey, you guys are weak. If you die in a flash flood, it's because you have it coming because you're weak. Because the globalists have made you soft with their sirens and warning systems and math about storms and national weather service. Right. So just if you have lost a loved one to these, just remember Alex Jones called them weak. and basically said they deserved it. Well, yeah. I mean, they should have smelled something in the air that told them that a big storm was coming.

They're in the mountains. They're not connected to the land. They're not connected to the land. No. Ah, man. That's not something you want to say. It's not great. That's not something you want to say.

You don't talk shit like that. That's too much shit talk. So Trump was having this cabinet meeting about the federal response to the floods. Right. And lo and behold, someone asks a question about Epstein. What a surprise. And Trump yells at him. Yep.

That sounds right. And this happens while Alex is on commercial break. And so he comes back from commercial, I have to assume deflated. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Trump's live televised cabinet meeting is just now taking questions from the press. And Trump just went off, basically blew up at a reporter for bringing up the Epstein whitewash. project we're witnessing. And that's what it is. And I've told everybody this is going to be huge yesterday.

It's going to be huge. It's, oh, boy, howdy. So this is about the worst response that Trump could have had in terms of these people trying to, you know, sort of save the ship. Was it something along the lines of shut up? I don't know why you're still talking about that. Yes. Was that the one?

We'll play it when Alex plays it a little bit later. But yeah, someone asked. about like, hey, you know that FBI memo said that Epstein wasn't connected to U.S. intelligence or any other country? Can we get a comment on that? He was asking Pam Bondi. Yeah. And then when Pam Bondi started to answer, Trump was like, we're still talking about this shit? Right.

Okay. Yeah. All right. That's nice. It was a bad, bad response. Man, you know, I feel like we're pretty close to the territory of him just being like, drone strike that guy. Now, get him out of here. Oh, boy.

I have telekinesis. This is not good. Yeah. Yep. So Alex is like, man, they should just shut up. Yeah, boy. I think that's true. You couldn't come up with a plan to cover this up and have it blow up bigger.

If you're going to cover it up, you just shut up about it and say, oh, we're investigating. But no. No. So I want Trump to succeed. I've investigated this. and the victims, over a dozen of them, that are confirmed victims of Epstein, who fingered Bill Clinton and all of them,

said, no, we never saw Trump at the island. We never saw him at Zorro Ranch. We never saw him in New York at the place. And we've always known that. And you've got the fake Jane Doe's over and over again that would come out that were fake, and E. Jean Carroll and all of it. So I did my investigation into Trump over this.

Back at the time I endorsed him nine years ago. Plus, so why then would Trump do this? And I'll get into that in the moment. But Trump's really gotten where he doesn't get tested with reporters. He just makes jokes at ones he doesn't like. But the fact that he got upset here is chumming the water. Or it's suspicious. Here's what I like.

Here's what I like about this. This experience right here, for our entire length of time doing this, right, the enemies of Alex, the globalists, have been exactly as dumb as Alex, because they are Alex. They are Alex's brain working out dumb plans. For the first time, his enemy is actually dumber than him, because he's right. They could have just not said anything. Well, his enemy is dumber than him, and it's who he supports. Exactly. And it's his, yeah, I mean, it's, I don't know.

He's a pretzel. He's tied and not. It's just, it's, what? It's too on the nose. I think this is contrived. If I'm a writer, if I'm a writer and I see somebody do this with their characters, I go, listen, buddy, maybe pull it back a hair. Here's what I would have liked to see in response to, because this press conference cabinet

meeting is happening while Alex is on air. Amazing. So he's having to internalize this information and just go with it. He should just start screaming simulation. Absolutely. No. No, I'm ready to start screaming simulation. Not real.

Not real. Everything's fake. Absolutely. That is, I mean, yeah, panic. Throw caution to the wind. Fuck panic. Just roll into it. Just lean in. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah. Like, Trump, that response that he had is about as bad as it gets. I mean, wow. Especially because, like, the context of it is very important. This was a question that was not really being asked to him. Nope. It was being asked to Pam Bondi, and he stepped in and deflected and got mad. I mean, it is sometimes funny because Trump is responding to what should be happening, which is the people asking him about how he's an Epstein guy.

But it didn't happen. Again, he's responding to things that people aren't doing, but they should have been doing that. It's wild. It's very strange. Yeah. So Trump, he put out this FBI stuff and this cover up because he made a deal with the globalist. I guess. And he needed to do that because they were about to start a civil war.

That makes some sense. Alex says has already started. Okay. But we've just pretended that didn't happen. Oh, okay. But unfortunately, the globalists are not keeping up their end of the bar. So I'm seeing a lot of really good work here. And I'm seeing the Democrats ratchet up the violence.

There needs to be blood. Democrat lawmakers say their base is prepping for violence. We're going to get to that coming up next hour. So if Trump did make some deal with big elements of the deep state to stop the civil war, they're trying to trigger and all the rest of it, well, doesn't look like the Soros people and the NGOs got the message because they took their calls for violence from high to ultra high, and they are attacking and confronting and shooting at ICE people all over the country now. They just arrested 11 anti-terrorists.

In North Texas, who had to kill Ice Ages, the Ice Ages took them out quickly. They shot a cop. but he didn't die. Do you imagine if a Trump supporter went and did that, but it'd be the end of the world? Of course, we wouldn't. I can imagine it quite easily. It happens pretty frequently, right?

Yeah, that Minnesota thing was, uh... Yeah, it was very short period of time ago. Yeah, it did not, uh, it was not the end of the world. Uh, it's easy to imagine that because it happens. And don't even forget the sovereign citizens. Yeah, just like, fucking cover your story. This is too, this is too much like, hey, look over here at this. It's embarrassing.

Yeah. It's embarrassing, and you should feel embarrassed about it for him. Yeah, but I think that Alex, instead of feeling embarrassed, just feels kind of sick. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I would not know how he would express actual feelings and emotions that he's having, you know? So this could be him being embarrassed. We just don't know how he actually feels. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that, you know, contrived was a good word. This doesn't just doesn't feel like someone who. who's speaking with their full chest. No. So Trump is getting in on the conspiracy. And Alex is just like, I think he's still maybe kind of good.

If they were going to use the blackmail file, they would just shut up about it and then say they were investigating and slow row it. Instead, oh, we've got it. Oh, it's going to come out. Not just Bondi, all of them. That's loading the gun, putting the deep state's head and saying,

we'll do it, we'll do it. We've sent it to the FBI offices. around the country, we'll do it. And then they come back and say, fine, we'll stop our attacks on you, we'll roll over, we'll get out of the way of your project to relaunch America and all the great things you're doing. But you've got to come out and say it's closed and it's over so that you're tied to it so that you can't ever stab us in the back.

And then this is what you get. That's how this stuff works. And that's what I believe is going on. And I wasn't sure of it yesterday, though my gut was. and now I know it and it makes me feel sick he's just made up all of that

it's just the story that he's telling himself to not have to deal with like oh Trump was bad all along yeah this was just a really bad idea I mean this guy sucks we've been we've been tricked there's got to be somebody there like if I'm in his ear

I'm like hey weren't you the first guy on the Epstein stuff weren't you the first guy there shouldn't this be like you're doing you know like This is your story. Like, how do you not have a voice in your ear constantly just going like, this is you. This is what you're for. Maybe. This is your actual Gene Hackman.

Gene Hackman's not real. This is something that you are actually in place for to do the thing. Except for the fact that he is exaggerating his own past in terms of, you know, like the real world. Exactly. He's supposed to be that guy. Yes. Absolutely. He's supposed to be the guy who's like, I was the first person on top of these WikiLeaks and I knew all this stuff.

and I talked to Ted Gunderson when I was a kid. Yeah. Yeah. You were never the tip of the spear. But in this one situation, you could be. It's there for you. You could fulfill the prophecy or whatever the fuck you want, but he's going to choke it.

Yeah. Like Gene Hackman. Well, it's like the gift of the magi kind of situation. You know, he's sold his pocket watch in order to get. Oh, Henry! Oh, boy. Okay. So last night, Trump put something on social media about how he supported what the FBI was doing.

And it made Alex have to lie down. Man, when I saw that statement by Trump yesterday afternoon, I just, again, I'm not normally like this. I had to go lay down in my office about 20 minutes because I got a piercing headache because we need Trump to succeed and he's doing so much good. but you can't try to control evil. You can't decide, well, you know, for the greater good because this would hurt America and the stock market too much. This is just too horrible. We can't bring this out.

And then the way it was done, which I guarantee you, mating the deal with the globalist to supposedly roll over, they said, well, just do this, which was the trap. And of course, that's the last piece that hasn't been confirmed, but I guarantee you that's going on. Yeah. That's exactly how it went down.

And that's how evil gets you. You think you're going to manipulate it and use it for good and that it stabs you in the back every time. That's why you can't put the one ring on. No shit. Everyone knows that. But like this to me, like Alex's getting a headache. And who knows how much that's even real.

But assuming that it's real, it has to be because he realizes, like this is the point of no return. Yeah. Like I, this is a devastating moment, not for himself. Like I don't believe he's disillusioned. He's known Trump was friends with Epstein this whole fucking time.

Sure. But like in terms of being able to sell this guy as a heroic figure to the audience. Yeah. This is a point of no return. Yeah. Like some people will not buy it. Yeah. From here forward.

And you will lose them if you don't start attacking Trump. Yeah. And I think he recognizes that. And it would give me a headache if I was in his position. Yeah. I mean, it occurs to me just now, like, for these people, for whom Trump is this thing that they've been sold, right? It's never been about reality or arguments or words. It's always been about when I look at this guy and I hear him talk, I feel like stuff is going to get better.

I feel good about where things are going. and I feel good. So this news can't be, it can, they can only feel it. You know, like the words are not going to help Alex understand anything right now.

He's just going to feel bad now when he looks at Trump. Yeah. Right? Well, and as a salesperson for that feeling. Yeah. Like,

this is a point where it is no longer plausible that you can sell it. Yeah, this oil isn't going to sell anymore. Yeah. It's going to sell to some people. Sure. But the number is going to be much lower.

Yeah. You have now lost that feeling for a lot of people. And I understand. I'd lay down too. I would just be like, fuck this. You've accidentally gotten the mayor's wife sick, and now it's time to leave town and sell snake oil in a new town. Yeah.

So Alex plays the clip of Trump at the cabinet meeting talking to a reporter. And it's just bad. There's no other way to describe it. It's bad. All right. Go ahead and go to Trump. This is Trump getting upset. Just 20 minutes ago or so, here it is.

Yeah, sure. Did I just enter up a little bit? Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy, this cream? That is unbelievable. That's the most innocent thing I've ever heard.

Do you feel like answering? I don't mind answering. I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question. on Epstein at a time like this where we're having some of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened in Texas. It just seems

like a desecration, but you go ahead. It's a desecration of the tragedy of the floods in Texas in order to ask this question. That's, that's, John Ronson can shove it up his butt because that is the psychopath test right there.

If you can say that and mean it, you're fucking psycho. It's it, it, it's curious. Curious. Curious. That's one of the most crazy fucking terrifying things for a man to actually think is true. It's weird if someone said that. It's weird.

It is the president of the United States who said it. It's just, you know, if you, there are a lot of times where I, like, you know that, that meme of grandpa Simpson grabbing his hat and walking out. Yep. Yep. There are moments where I'm like, that makes total sense to be like that. If I were Alex during a commercial break, seeing that, I'm like, I'm not getting back on air. Nope. I'm going home.

Good night. Good luck. Fuck this. I don't have. You know, like you can realize you don't have to do something. I think he does. You can just not do it. I think he does actually have to do something.

I think he does, but maybe he doesn't realize that he could just not. I think that Alex recognizes that if he were to just leave. people might think he's on the Epstein list. Yeah, yeah. I think he knows that there's a self-preservation aspect to, like, I can't just not talk about this. Yeah, and you better believe that because you haven't given Roger Stone a pardon, Stone's going to use you to be the fall guy for anything.

Yeah, you're in a dangerous predicament having buddied up to Roger Stap. You've got the worst friends and you're in the worst position. Yeah. So Alex has a complaint about Trump's response to that question. Sure. And I think he has the wrong one. good. Okay. So you saw Trump got a lot of energy

there. Very pissed off. And I understand that he wants to move on with the peace initiatives and the economy and all the rest of it. But that response right there is going to elicit even more questions and more fewer.

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Amazing. What a deal. It's a buy one, get one? A bogo. Whoa. So Alex seems pissed that Trump's response was suspicious and annoyed that it will raise more questions. But I thought that Alex was that. the question everything kind of guy.

Here's the feeling that you get from watching Alex's show at this point. Alex seems to have a fundamental agreement with the FBI's memo that people shouldn't be questioning the Epstein stuff. If there's actual real evidence that the DOJ has, it can't be released because it would destabilize the world and ruin Trump's economic plans, so there needs to be a cover-up. Yeah. The problem Alex has isn't the idea of a cover-up. It's that the cover-up is being done by the same people who promise that all of that

evidence would be released. Yeah. The complaint Alex seems to have is that no one knows their roles. Media shit talkers like himself get to rant and rave about all the certifiable evidence that's just about to come out any day now, because they have no power to actually get anything released. No one's going to drag Alex in front of a congressional committee and demand to know why he never followed through with releasing the evidence he claimed he had about a criminal

case, because fundamentally, everyone knows that Alex's role is to talk shit. But the people in the government, they don't have this leeway. They do have the power to release evidence and declassify things. If they say one thing to excite the base and then do a complete 180 on it, they don't have the built-in shit-talker armor that someone like Alex does. There's going to be follow-up questions and possibly even investigations. Their shit-talk isn't just shit-talk. It's an abuse of the justice system, which might still matter.

Yeah. The line becomes even more muddied when so many of the people in the Trump administration, are people who used to enjoy wearing that shit talk armor. Dan Bongino and Kosh Patel are two top guys at the FBI, and they both have had careers built on the ability to demand things. They have no ability to deliver. Now they're in a position where there's no reason why they can't deliver on the stuff that they've demanded come out,

and they're learning that they don't have the same shit talk armor that they used to have. The government isn't the same as Twitter. And I think this is part of Alex's frustration. He knows his role and he plays it. He's a shit talker, which affords him a lot of freedom to just say whatever irresponsible shit he wants. But that liberty only exists because he doesn't have any actual power. He sees these guys who have been given real power, and it's annoying that they don't get that the shit talking is a liability for them now. They need to leave that to Alex and his ilk and just shut up about this stuff that they're never going to produce.

Now, the problem isn't really the memo. The problem is the behavior that predated the memo. Yeah. I mean, in essence, all of these people, the preferred state, the most stable state for them, is to have very calm, quiet, untalked about government doing very competent stuff just fine. And then they get to bitch about all the things that aren't happening. Their ultimate failing, though, is that they want to get popular and rich and famous, which means they have to convince people of things that. they don't want to be true, ultimately. Yeah.

Yeah. They, they need, like, Clinton in office. Yeah. That's what they, that's what they need. They need somebody who's going to be quietly competent and somewhat dismantling everything for the working class while also fucking strangers on the side. So they can bitch about that. That's the preferred state for them.

Yeah. Yeah. And they have unfortunately got exactly what they pretended to want, which is. chaos government. Right. And chaos government is only going to, as Alex keeps saying on the show, shotgun itself in the foot. Yeah.

Because that is essentially what Trump has done. Why? Like, and this is another, like with Cash Patel, right? Like, here's the thing. What is it that you think makes you qualified to do that job? Right. Yeah. I believe me, I don't think I'm qualified to do the FBI director job.

Right. And you would immediately recognize that in order to be in that role, you have to fundamentally change how you act. Yeah. I'm not going to do this. I don't think that Alex has like an opportunity to have a job within the government. I don't think anyone has offered it to him or would ask. Yeah. But I also kind of think he would turn it down because he understands that. I can't be the like the House or the White House press correspondent.

Right. And be like, the devil. The devil! I am not here to be competent about detail-oriented shit that will make gradual progress towards my goals. I'm here to say, that guy is evil. Yeah. That's my deal.

A demon is within him. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that really is the fundamental tension that Alex has. Mm-hmm. Is like, you motherfuckers, you're ruining everything because you all want to play every position. Yeah. Yeah.

You can't be the point guard and the center. It is. Unless you're Joe Hohatani, you can't be the picture. and the slugger. It's just so ironic that part of his complaint is like, Hillary knew how to play ball. Right. Okay?

At least Hillary knew how to play the game right. Yep. God damn it, I hate these people. So Alex plays a clip of Stephen Miller laying out a bit of a white nationalist immigration policy. Sounds right. And that leads into Tom Homan talking about how, hey, man, we probably are going to end up killing some people. Yeah, probably.

And it's just gross. It's great. But the rhetoric has to stop. They're simply enforcing law that Congress enacted. So for Congress to attack them, to enforce them the laws they wrote, it's just, it's ridiculous. It's going to end in bloodshed. I think it'll be more bloodshed. Well, we already got a cop shot, shot up ice facilities in Texas, multiple.

I mean, it's here. And this is just the fuse being led. And of course, here's all the Democrats saying, we need blood. We need to get our constituents killed. that's what Podesta said in the war games. They're doing it. Now, that doesn't mean they're going to be successful. But imagine the 350 plus thousand little children that they know of that they were ordered to hand over the Border Patrol to NIH, who would then give them to NGOs with no documentation in most cases and just disappeared them.

That's the real evil. And all the crime. I don't think that Alex realizes the implications this news is going to have on his narratives. I don't think that he understands that if Trump made a deal with the globalists about this Epstein stuff, then Alex doesn't really get to grandstand about all these alleged missing kids in the border anymore. Now they're your responsibility. At best, Trump is fine with those kids going missing, since that conspiracy is supposed to be connected to the globalist trafficking children for abuse and blackmail purposes.

If Trump is dropping the ball and covering up that one aspect of this conspiracy, there's no way to credibly pretend that he's not complicit in the other branch of it. It's moments like this that make me think Alex kind of grasps what all this means for him, but he hasn't really internalized it yet. If we're supposed to now understand that Trump is complicit in the Epstein cover-up, then that impacts everything. And it's just impossible that that version of Trump, that Alex sold the audience for years, that person never existed.

It's not possible. Yeah. It's honestly making me confused why he wouldn't just bring back the Trump's got a demon in him thing. Before the Epstein stuff even happened, Alex stumbled onto the perfect explanation for this situation. But since this shit is all just being made up as he goes along, he seems unable to remember that narrative that he started building. It's unfortunate. This would be perfect. You know, and it is so much, again, emblematic of why we are where we are.

Because this is an eminently predictable situation that you could have planned for years ago. years ago. You could have already had a plan in place for when does this all go, when does this all fall apart? Because again, we know he's not trustworthy. We're lying. We know we're lying. But then they didn't, they don't, they didn't plan ahead. If they were, if they were capable of planning ahead, we never would have gotten Trump.

And nobody would be here. Yeah. Yeah. And like someone like Roger plans ahead in the sense that like, I will just attack you no matter what. Yeah. I have a, I have a, I'm a fish. I just go on the river. I just go forward.

And that is in and of itself a plan. Yeah, absolutely. Alex does not have the same orientation. He's trying to explain things away, and that's not a plan. Yeah. And if there is a point where it's like big, big emergency floodlights going off, like, get out of here. Get out of here. It has to be the night before when Trump said, I support what the FBI and Patel and Bondi are doing.

Like, that has to be your sign. that like this isn't going to get better. This is only going to get worse. Yep. Bail. But, yeah, he spends a lot of this episode not talking about this. And instead talking about immigrants. Sure.

And talking about this attack on ice people. Anything. Yeah. Yeah. And I just think it's confusing. And I am just sick of all the arrogance of the illegal aliens and all the different permutations of them. And I feel sorry for the people that were fleeing globalist lockdown tyranny that collapse the third world that do want to come here and work and be good people.

But you can't sit there and put up with any of this. This is the existential battle for the West and the future of the world. This is the big domestic issue. Rome felt bringing in too many foreigners. What? And finally they said in 4'10, you know, let's just burn it down. What? And they did.

and so we call after that the dark ages or the middle ages for a thousand years and you go to these third world countries you get away from the tourism areas you are in the dark ages if i understand this correctly the defining issue of the time is not some kind of spiritual battle between good and evil it's not the elites running human trafficking operations to create blackmail which guarantees their grasp on power it's that there's too many This is an embarrassing position for Alex to have, particularly on the day when Trump literally lashed out at a reporter for asking a question about Epstein. It almost feels too obvious that this is an attempt to divert attention away from the only issue that matters onto other things that could excite the audience, like their tendency towards white nationalism. Yeah.

And I know that as far as my coverage of this episode goes, we've mostly focused on Alex responding to, you know, Epstein-ish things. Sure. But a large amount of this episode is fairly standard immigration incitement. Right. Which makes it, which, like, on a different day, you can find a reason to say those things. On this day, there's only one reason to say those things. And so those things can be dismissed because you don't care. You're not engaging in an actual conversation with me.

If you're bringing that up right now. Yeah. If your headline is about attacks on ICE agents. Bye. Get out of here. Well, if you're Alex. It's just, it is nonsensical on July 8th. You cannot.

You can't do it. And I started to wonder about it. And then all the pieces kind of fell into place. Now, you've got a lot of the ultra right-wingers or, you know, however Trump put it, to my Nick Pointosh. Radical right, whatever, that want total moratorium. And quite frankly, I think we've been so overrun. I'm for that.

But I'm not mad at Trump for following three. throw on his campaign promises, he always said worker programs. I don't like Microsoft laying off thousands and then hiring thousands of Indians the same day last week. Not against Indians, but you know, you can't just replace every one of our jobs. And there are a lot of Indians. I mean, I thought I went to the mall a few days ago. What are we doing? And I thought I was in India. So that's an area I do think, you know, Trump has been wrong on is wanting to those skilled visas. It's just out of control.

Absolutely out of control. All right, we're going to go to break. Go back with Nick Pointez. Oh, Nick Pointez is on. I see. So that clip made me re-evaluate the context of the rest of this episode. Sure. Now it's gone.

Yeah. Alex has clearly been trying to divert attention away from Trump's clear lashing out about the Epstein stuff and towards immigration-related shit. It's been very noticeable from the coverage that this, is on the front of his mind. The point where it's distracting from his ability to have a normal reaction to insane news, like Trump's outburst at that reporter. But with the context of Nick Fuentes coming on the show, it kind of makes sense.

Trump said that the radical right-winger probably wouldn't support his plan to exploit immigrant labor because they just want everyone deported. This was clearly talking about people like Nick because Nick is a white nationalist who wants all non-white people deported. So Alex having him on to discuss the... this position kind of makes sense. Yeah. It's a prime opportunity to launder white nationalist ideas to the audience, and Alex would

obviously want to make the most of that, as well as Nick. On the wrong day. Alex's headline for the episode from earlier makes total sense in this light. This episode was supposed to be about building up these immigration-based narratives and talking about how ICE is so under attack, which is meant to soften people up for Nick's appeal to support far harsher immigration enforcement tactics. Yeah. Alex didn't know that Trump was going to have that cabinet meeting and blow up at that reporter,

but now that's happened, Alex is just barreling forward with the show that he planned on doing, which seems fishy. It feels to me like Alex must be selling airtime to Nick, or he has some internal metrics that show that his streams get huge bumps from having Nick on, and he's willing to chase that at all costs to the point where this show looks ridiculous. Yeah, it has to be something like that. Yeah. I don't know what the explanation is, but it's, it's, uh, it's too much to ignore. Yeah, it is like, because what is Fuentes?

Fuentes can't possibly think he's going to come on and just be a racist, right? Well, yeah, that's what he thought. But not now. But not now, right? Yeah. So if I'm, if I'm him and I'm seeing that this is what I'm being led into, I'm thinking, no, no, no, no, no, abort. This is not what we're ready for. And I think that's what he does.

Oh, yeah? I think he probably, like, as soon as they got on the phone, like during commercial break, is like, no, we're not talking about that stuff. Absolutely not. We're not going to ignore the fact that this fucking Epstein shit is happening. Right. And so their conversation does end up being largely about what you would expect it to be. Of course.

Because Nick doesn't want to put on clown makeup. What else is there to say? Yeah. Yeah. So Alex discusses how like, man, it's a bummer that this is going to bring more attention to the Epstein case. Which is strange. I have been persecuted for supporting Trump massively. the last nine and a half years.

And it's been intense. Rightly so now. Put through hell. And overall, I love what he's doing on so many fronts. But when he started having Bongino and Patel and the rest of him in the last few months started doing a 180 from, oh yeah, we got 14 terabytes of child rape and torture and, you know, and all these perpetrators that were involved, we're going to get them all.

and then to see really ham-fisted spin by Pam Bondi today, the clip we're about to play, after Trump snaps the reporter and gives him the laser eyes, which you don't see very often anymore, that is only going to bring massive attention onto this. And there are a time of congressional hearings and all the rest of it and just the whopper of, oh, look, here's the video of around the door.

You can't see Epstein's jail, but his cell. but look, see, he killed himself. And oh, look, the guy in Butler acted alone. And oh, look, there was no black book. There were no clients. There was no black, no, there was no human trafficking. But Gisley Maxwell is convicted of human trafficking. Shouldn't Alex want more attention to go to the Epstein case?

You'd think. Like, why would he be mad about Trump's very suspicious actions based on them creating more attention for the case? People can investigate all they want, and Alex is confident that Trump isn't going to be implicated. so if anything, Alex really should be in favor of Trump acting this way. This should be an example of Trump using 5D chess to trick people into talking about this. Right.

Alex doesn't actually want people to pay attention to that case or to question it all that much because he has a pretty well-established narrative that exists. That narrative is widely accepted by his audience, but there's not really much evidence behind it. So it's easily threatened by new revelations, which he does not want. The status quo with the Epstein case was where Alex wanted it to stay. It belongs in the territory of shit talkers because if it's handled by people who have real world power and responsibility, things fall apart. They have to deliver something. If these people who are in the positions of like Bongino and Patel and Bondi are in, they need to deliver something or else it's very obvious that they're fucking with people.

And it's okay to fuck with people when you're a shit talker like Alex, because they're, they're. there's no continuity. Tomorrow doesn't exist. Yesterday is not real. Yep. That's part of that shit talker armor that Alex gets to enjoy and all of these talk show hosts get to enjoy. Tomorrow exists in government. Yeah.

Yesterday exists. It's on the record. Yep. And I don't know. I think it's such a tell that Alex is like, oh, there's going to be investigations about that. You should love that. I mean, there's no other way to put it than Alex listened to that and went, ah, shit, Trump did. it.

Or everything. But here's the thing. I don't even think that. I think it's more like, oh, shit. There's no way I can pretend Trump didn't do it. Yeah. It's not even a revelation of like, oh, Trump is bad. It's like, I can't sell this anymore.

There was a few, a couple of clips back whenever he was, you could hear it in his voice this like slowdown because it seems like the spin was it was just instinctually coming out and all that really wound up coming to. I was like, that's not going to make people stop talking about this. It was like, there's no, there's no spin. You're fucked. Yep. And I think Nick knows that.

Yeah, it's hard not to. And he comes out of the gate swinging. Yeah, that's smart. Nick, thanks for coming on. It's good to have you here. But not a good situation. I got to tell you, I know you want Trump to succeed. You know, so do I.

But wow, this is just something else. I can't defend this or not talk about this because my soul isn't for sale. and I just feel dirty even watching this. Yeah, it's a complete disaster. And I said this on my show last night. This is actually the opposite of what they promised they would do. This is actually worse than what was done under Biden or under the previous Trump administration

because this is an active cover-up. They're burying the story. And it would be one thing. I think people might have this expectation if they indefinitely put this off. They just never addressed it again. They never did a phase two reveal. maybe they left it open to interpretation.

But now they're coming out and they're effectively lying about it. And they're denying all the critical aspects of the story, even the ones that we know are true. See, this is where it's unfortunate to have Alex juxtaposed with Nick. Because Nick is able to say these things that are fucking obvious. And Alex has to dance around a little bit. And that liberty that Nick has, whatever the source of it is, he, He looks saner than Alex. Yeah.

Yep. He's got the advantage of coming up. He's coming up at the right time. You know, this kind of a crisis thing happening. Alex is clearly unable to react as quickly as he should. This is when the young guy just fucking bowls through. And, yeah, because that young person is able to be like, I don't give a fuck about Trump.

These people are old. They're going to die before I'm 40. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody who's watching that cabinet. meeting. Yeah. Like there's one response that they should have to it. And it's what Nick says. And that clip that you just showed of Trump in the cabinet meeting, it's embarrassing. It's shocking. Every Trump supporter should feel humiliated at this point. And it's like you said,

I don't take any pleasure in this. I feel a little bit vindicated about it. I want Trump to succeed. I want these disclosures to happen. And what's interesting is that Trump typically is a master of these types of media spin. He's usually very adept and very quick on his feet and the master of rhetoric. And this is maybe the first time when there's such a disconnect between what the base is feeling and what's going to play well in the media and what he's saying. In his mind, maybe he thought this was like a really persuasive angle to say, why are we talking about this? There's bigger issues to talk about such a completely tone deaf and bizarre. I said on Twitter, okay, poker face. I mean, as if we don't know what's going on here.

Yeah. So, I mean, like, that's really the only response you can have to this. You should be embarrassed by this. You should be ashamed and feel humiliated that this is the behavior that you're getting out of your leader. Yeah. He has the freedom to say that because his career is not tied to Trump. Yeah. He supported Trump, you know, in 2016 and throughout because Trump was the greatest opportunity towards white nationalist policies.

Yeah. He understood that. Yeah. Trump was a weapon for Nick. Yeah. He wasn't for Alex. Alex, like, is associated. Alex became, like, he became Roger Stone's pet for Trump.

Yeah, he'd cry on air, but he'd die for Trump. He's like his handler right there. Yeah. He forsaked God for Trump. I mean, this, this is like, this is what you want if you're an opportunity to like Fuentes. It is like, I got all of the things that I wanted to build. an audience whenever I was younger. And now I get this moment of crisis to fucking clean house with all these assholes.

Yeah. And really own my spot. Yeah. And whether it's because of Alex's desperation to chase an audience or if it is brokered programming. Yeah. Like it makes no sense in terms of like Nick's already established. He has an audience. He doesn't need to promote himself going on Alex's show.

But it does make sense if you're picking the bones. Yep. Like the carcass of this guy. Yeah. You're just like, all right. I'm going to... I am spending money to give to you right now, but I will... That's an investment from me.

I will extract so much more wealth out of this than that this money is worth. Yeah. Yeah. In the same way that Nick is comfortable using Trump as a tool. Yeah. It's using Alex and his audience as a tool as well. Yeah. But at least we know that they're not able to be used like that.

At least they don't have a consistent track record of regularly going from user to user to user to user to user. This time I'm sure they're going to learn. Yeah. So Nick speculates a little bit and it's actually kind of close to what Alex had been saying. Which is like Trump is just full of hubris. This is all just, he

thinks he's untouchable now. And he got to wonder what is going through his head? What are his advisors telling him? Is it that he's so cloistered on true social in an echo chamber that this is just the pinnacle of exuberance? Is this like a God

complex type hubris where he really thinks anything goes now. He can get away with anything. I'm really just not sure what the mindset is here, but it just seems like one thing after the next. You know, we just got done with the Iran War controversy. I came on today to talk about immigration, which, you know, and we maybe have a disagreement, but the base is outraged about this, only to get caught up and now the latest newest scandal,

a new controversy about something that should have been a grand slam. release the documents. And now he's actually not only not releasing them, but actually burying the story and doing this bizarre spin running cover for it, saying no one should even be talking about it. The guy's a creep standing on the graves of the people dead in Texas. This is some golden age. This is some start to the second term.

I hate it. I hate it. Wow. It's almost like I give a fuck. Jesus Christ. He does appear to give a fuck. fuck more to like what's really happening Alex for sure and Alex for sure and you can tell by the way that he's cooking

that he's leading up to something else yeah and that is the suggestion that hey maybe Trump's covering for himself yeah obviously maybe Trump is complicit the most obvious thing and so people need to understand how this works and clearly the question would always be will Trump use the Epstein files if they weren't all destroyed which we know they got a bunch of them to then blackmail the deep state or would he bring them down with it. And now I think we've got the answer where it's going. Nick, go ahead. Yeah, I totally agree. And, you know, there's also something clear, which is I think Trump is worried about what's in the files. And we have some evidence about that. And I've seen your analysis on this.

And I agree in some sense that if there was anything that would indict Trump inside the files, obviously the Democrats would be all over that. Obviously, the Biden administration and their DOJ was in control of that information. If there was anything that they could use to charge him or anything embarrassing, probably they would have leaked out to the press. It would have went to Congress. They would have filed charges. That would have been the surest way to bring him down and destroy his credibility. So I totally understand that argument. At the same time, there is a lot of troubling evidence surrounding the topic. First of all, you have Jeffrey Epstein testimony from 15 years ago where he claimed, and he could be lying.

It's certainly possible that he's exaggerating this or even making it up, but he said that he was close friends with Donald Trump. We have that on tape. That's on the record. So I don't understand how this is supposed to be like an argument that holds water with the right wing. They say that Trump can't be in the files because the Democrats would have released it by now to make Trump look bad. But the whole point of blackmail is that you can't really release it without setting off a chain reaction that takes down a lot of people. Yeah.

Democrats could have never released Trump intel. about Epstein because they knew that he would take them down with him. It was a mutually assured destruction kind of thing. If you're accepting the idea that there is this big blackmail ring, then you can't really say that this information would have been released by now if it existed. That seems like a desperate angle to try and reassure yourself that Trump isn't as bad as he obviously is. But you can see here too how like freer Nick is than Alex and how it makes him look like way less of an idiot when he's sitting next to Alex. He's supported Trump,

but his primary brand was white supremacy, and Trump was a conduit to pursue policies that supported that. Trump was a means to an end for him, whereas Alex's recent career has been built around worshipping Trump as an end unto itself. Because of that different positioning, Nick can easily say, fuck this dude without really having to rewrite that much history,

whereas Alex is pretty limited in his ability to do that. He needs to, he just can't, he can't do it. There's no, there's no, he doesn't have the trigger. Yeah. Yeah, he's a, what do they do? He's a bag holder. He's one of the meme stock guys.

You know, they all get in. And the reason that it goes so high up is because everybody's got all this enthusiasm, all this belief, this hardcore belief. And then it all goes to shit. And there are some people who are like, ah, I got off at the right time. And then there's people holding the bag. Yeah. And if you're someone who's in Alex's position, I really think that it's in your best interests to not associate with Nick.

Yeah. Because Nick is going to just make you look like an idiot. Oh, he's going to eat you alive from the inside. He's like a, he's like a wasp laying his eggs inside of your head right now. Yeah. Yeah. This is ridiculous. If Alex thinks that he's going to be able to glean any, like, kind of right-wing

credibility off of interviewing Nick, he's delusional. It's only going to work the other direction. Out of your mind, yeah. So Nick brings up that Musk's been tweeting again. Great. Good stuff. And another one Alex's buddies is maybe getting a finger pointed. Great. A week before the strikes in Iran, Elon Musk famously says on Twitter,

the reason you don't have the files is because Trump is in them. Today, Musk is saying that Bannon is in the files. Now, once again, this is one person's word against another. This is Elon Musk, and he's got a reason to play into that. He's got a rivalry now at the president. He was exiled from the White House, wasn't able to achieve his policy, which is cutting the deficit. He's got a major bone to pick with Steve Bannon,

so it makes sense why he'd say something like that. Would he make something up like that out of a whole cloth? Would he? Probably. But is he? Probably not. Yeah, I mean, Bannon has a lot of association with Epstein that people seem to forget from time for time.

Here's something I find interesting about these people. Here's something I find interesting because it is, I think, taken for granted. his instinct for who and when and where and how much to attack, right? Like, this would be a fine time to go whole hog. Fuck Elon Musk. He's probably in the fucking, who gives us shit? You know, like, let's go. Let's go after all these rich people.

But he's very specifically going after, like, Trump is weak right now. Alex is weak right now. I sense the weakness. Bannon has that vulnerability. Yes, absolutely. But Elon is untouchable for right now. It's not so much that he's untouchable. Actually, in the last interview that Nick was on, they were talking about how, like, it looks like Elon actually does have some principles.

Like, I think that Nick believes him to be enough of a white identity person that, like, we're going to leave him alone. Ah, so he's one of those. For as much difficulty as he may have, we're going to ignore Elon's problems generally. Right. Because he's having a lot of white babies and stuff. Ech. Disgusting. Yeah.

But I think that, you know, the opportunity to attack him will be there when it, but you don't need to. You don't need to bite off more than just like, hey, Trump is clearly. No, I mean, but that's what I'm saying is that there is a restraint there because you could try and bite off more. There is an opportunity out there for, you know, people who want to reach for it. Some people have a good gauge of how big their mouth is. Yep, it's tough. So, unfortunately, Nick, as much as he is able to speak. very obvious and apparent truths to Alex.

He also just thinks everything is Israel. And so, like, he's like, this is all Israel is behind Trump doing this and doing the cover up. Right. And then he says something that Alex should, he should go lay down. And given, again, you know, his concern about the files being released, this whole situation with Iran, him going with Israel against really his own diplomatic initiative. It seems like they have something on him. And that to me was always the concern with this guy. He's surrounded by this element in the first administration. It was the Habab Lubavitchers through Jared Kushner.

They pulled out of the Iran deal. You had all this smoke the first term. Now we're having all this stuff come back the second time. It's sort of like in the last five years, everybody forgot about all this. Everybody started to believe in, you know, kind of like a Trump that didn't exist. Got back into believing this simulacrum, you know, vapor wave, vaporware version of Trump from TikTok edits, from hype edits, videos with music playing, and they forgot what the first term was really like. It wasn't all that great. So unfortunately,

it just feels like deja vu all over again. And if we can't trust them on the Epstein files, there's some very dark implications in all of that. I wouldn't say it's one issue. I think it's maybe the central thread. And once you start to tug on that, the whole thing comes undone. So I'd be furious if I was Alex and I had this guy who's like, yeah, I think people started to believe a fake version of Trump existed because people like you did what you do. Yeah. You created a fake version of Trump that made everyone think that he was like Superman. By what? By creating my short TikTok style edits of his speeches?

By showing memes and. Yeah, yeah. By only talking about short sound bites as opposed to maybe asking people to remember things about the past that happened or holding him accountable to the decisions that didn't. things he actually did. Yeah. Instead, you know, like trying to just like play running meme contests about Trump and how he's going to destroy the fake news media and all. Yeah, maybe Alex's do, maybe his career is based on exactly what Nick is talking about.

Yeah. But, you know, there's no way anybody could have seen this coming. So I think we all got to eat. We all got to eat this one. And you know what? We'll work on it again. We'll do it better tomorrow. Yeah.

That's the plan. Yeah. Yeah. So the concern is. is this notion that Trump thinks he's untouchable. Yes. And that he thinks he can get away with anything. And I said this at the beginning of the year.

It's this exuberance. He really came in in the second term. And I think maybe that's what it is, thinking he could get away with anything, thinking. And you know, you can almost empathize with that mindset. If you survived what he survived, if you've been through what he's been through in the past 10 years, you would think I'm Napoleon.

I'm crowning my son. like I'm untouchable and we're in it's July we're halfway through the first year and he's losing even as most as you said he's even lost cat turd oh no you've lost cat turd and see but this is the other thing about this fucking asshole is that it's still it's still like I'm selling a fake version like he's a thousand-year-old psycho with a gold toilet this is what he does well and what make his saying is still bullshit yeah exactly that's what I'm saying yeah but even fundamentally Like he's saying, oh, he's untouchable now in the second term. His first run involved him saying he could shoot someone in the street and he wouldn't lose followers.

And he survived multiple impeachments. Yeah. He has every bit of his political career has involved thinking he's untouchable. Yeah. And that image has been reinforced by a media structure full of people like Alex and even like Dick. Yep. who spread memes creating a fake version of Trump to get him off the hook for all the things that would have completely destroyed any previous politician.

I mean, it remains to be seen whether or not he's right. I wouldn't celebrate too quick if I were them about him being touchable now. Yeah. Yeah, I think they'll be able to yell and they'll probably make less money. But I don't think that the proximity to power is as close as it. they think. I think you might be right. Someone like Laura Lumer has way more like actual proximity to Trump.

Jesus. I don't know how much they, because of how much excuses have been made up till this point. Yep. I don't know what depriving Trump of that in the future can actually do. Too late now. So their leverage may be gone. Yep. But Nick has the leverage to create a more profitable media thing.

Yeah. Then Alex does. Yeah, absolutely. It doesn't mean that he's going to be able to sway any real power or anything. No, yeah. Nick should be thinking like, oh, I'm Alex in 1996. Here are some steps I can take. Boom, boom, boom.

Here are the things that he fucked up to get here. I've got this. I've got like a playbook in front of me. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I hope he does poorly. An evil playbook.

So Nick has another point, and that is like, what Trump just did. is like gonna be the proof of the conspiracy. Yeah. Like what he did is what you'll be talking about in 10 years. We have been doing this for how long. If the guy says, what are we done talking about this? Then he's the guy who did it.

Yeah, it's shady. Well, and it's just like this is going to become one of those famous pieces of the puzzle that brings down the conspiracy theory. This is like the JFK Magic Bullet and the lone gunman, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. and the bullet made seven different exit and entry wounds, and it had this miraculous pathway,

or like the passport of the 9-11 hijacker that was recovered on the ground of New York City. Two were found the next day. Sorry, go ahead. Right, exactly. Yeah, they said, how do we identify the hijackers in 9-11? Well, as the plane crashed into the tower, their passports magically fell from, you know, because the plane exploded, the passports flew out. like a cartoon and then gently floated down to the floor. So real quick, these guys know nothing about 9-11. There were a total of four passports that were found intact or in pieces.

One was from luggage that never made it onto American Airlines Flight 11. Two were found in the crash of United 93, and one was recovered near the World Trade Center before it collapsed. None of these passports were really essential pieces of evidence because the planes had lists of passengers. So, like, this didn't actually prove anything. Nope. You wouldn't need to.

like, okay, if we're going to pretend these were hijackers, we're going to plant this passport near the World Trade. You don't need to do that. That's stupid. They had to book a ticket. Yeah. But the reason that I think that this is important is because, like, Alex chimed in to say something about this and every piece of information was wrong.

Yeah. He said there were two passports. That's fair. That's fair. Three of which were on planes. Yeah. One was in the luggage that didn't get on the plane. Sure.

And then he said they found it the next day. And that's not true. No. He doesn't know anything about this shit. Why would he? Right. It's not about knowing things. It's about feeling things.

Yeah. Yeah. And he feels like he knows a lot because he's interjecting and correcting Nick about the also wrong thing. What a wild conversation. When you sit and you like listen to these two people say false things to each other, both of them just like, yeah, I'll go along with this. without any real thought to actual, like, the information is not being shared. What is being shared is like, oh, ook, I'm your friend.

Oook, Oook, I'm your friend. It can keep a volley going. Exactly. It has nothing to do with like, oh, I'll take the fact that you told me there were two passports. The next time he tells the story, there will be one passport. He's not going to have learned a thing. No, because why would you listen to something that Alex says? Why would you listen?

Yeah, that would be ridiculous. It would. And I think that, you know, these guys are, I don't see a way around this being kind of correct that this will be like a magic bullet thing that will not go away. And they haven't even really got into Trump's horrible response yet. Yep. Like the next day when he's like, are people still talking about Epstein? Yeah. That's bad.

Yeah. But then later Trump would be like, I don't want you people following me. I don't want you as my fans if you care about this. Yep. Like they haven't even dealt with that yet. Nope. This is going to get so much worse. You just, you know, it is, it is not fun to watch people get hoisted upon their own petard.

That's not a fun experience. No. You know? It's not satisfying. No, it's not, like, it's not fun, even if it's your enemy because you're still watching a guy get his head put on. on a spike. You know, that's not a fun thing for anybody. Yeah.

You know? And people are still being as hurt as they would be otherwise. Sure. You know, like the people, you know, in Texas and the people around the country are still suffering the consequences of poor governance. Yeah. Like, laughing at Alex is great because it is really funny that he's trying to find a way to navigate these waters.

Sure. But it does, it's still, it's not that great. Just because the bullshit's fake doesn't mean that real shit didn't happen. Yeah. And so we will see how this deteriorates even further. But it's crazy that we're here on the 8th. And like, there are sirens blaring. There, it's just get out.

Get out. Get out. This is no good. You can't, you can't handle this. No one can handle this. And it's going to get worse. All the signs are there to bail. and there's still more sirens to come.

It's just like, guys, you like this thing about him, that he's not going to back down and that he will only do this more. You have to know that this is going to, you want this behavior from him. You know it exists. You love it when it's directed at vulnerable communities. Plan ahead. Plan ahead.

It's coming towards you eventually, and here it is. So, yeah. There'll be, you know, it's a little Chodden Freud, a little cathartic, but we'll see. Heads need to go on spikes from time to time. Especially when it's a person who has built their own spike and was trying to throw other people on it. If you make a spike machine that puts people's heads on spikes, your head might wind up on the spike machine. It's a liability. It's possible.

So we'll be back and check in on how this all falls apart more. But until then, we have a website. Indeed, we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX. Clark. I am the mysterious professor.

Ooh, yeah. And now here comes the sex robot. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.