Knowledge Fight - #1066: July 17, 2025

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan take in the spectacle that is Alex trying his best to move on from the Trump/Epstein cover-up by yelling about Trump's feelings about piss and continuing his slide ...toward more overt antisemitism.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Ina, no, no, no, no, know, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, radio, knowledge fight. Dan and Jordan, I am sweating. Knowledgefight.com. It's down to pray. I have great respect for knowledge fight. Knowledge fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
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Starting point is 00:00:44 Andy in Kansas. It's down to pray. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time calling. I'm a huge fan.
Starting point is 00:00:51 I love your word. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Hey, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around,
Starting point is 00:01:03 worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. A quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today is not a bright spot per se. Okay.
Starting point is 00:01:14 But it's one of future promise. Okay. Potential bright spot in the future. All right. That I have not had the time yet to look into, but I'm very excited about. Okay. So I don't know if you know this. I don't.
Starting point is 00:01:27 But Popeye has been. become public domain. Popeye, the character. The Sailor Man. Yes, okay. And I was on, I watched something on Amazon Prime. And they suggested that I watch some movie called like Popeye's Revenge. All right.
Starting point is 00:01:44 People are able to make horror movies now just with Popeye. Oh, I heard about that with like Winnie the Pooh. I think they made one and stuff like that. Not interested in Winnie the Pooh. No. But I am interested in Popeye. Of course. And I saw that there were like three or four of them.
Starting point is 00:02:00 Damn. Yeah, people are cranking them out because this character is just public domain. Why wouldn't you? Yes. So I'm going to watch all of them. Okay. I'm going to watch every single Popeye horror movie that these dumb mills can crank out. I think what's funny about that is it never would have occurred to me.
Starting point is 00:02:17 But now that I think about it, I think Popeye would be a great horror movie villain. Those arms. Those arms. Like he eats spinach and then he pops your head clean off. He was always so nice. He's so not scary when he doesn't have spinach. I don't wonder how these horror movies are going to deal with that. So, yeah, I'm very excited about watching this garbage.
Starting point is 00:02:40 I think you're going to be very bad, but, man, man, what a waste of creativity and resources. Why? Because it's there. That's why humans do stuff. Because it's technically legal now. Yep. So what's your bright spot? My bright spot is We went and saw a movie
Starting point is 00:03:02 That was a lot of fun Had some popcorn Sure It was great Went to go see weapons Yeah, it was a great time It was an all right movie Yeah, it was fine
Starting point is 00:03:10 You liked it less than I did Yeah and I Afterwards we were talking about it And I worried that I might have Yucked your yum a little bit Or brought you down Because you were more positive And I was a little more
Starting point is 00:03:20 Yeah, I mean I like to come out Anytime I come out of a movie theater In general I tend to love the movie except for the last Skywalker. The Star Wars? Yeah, the Star Wars one.
Starting point is 00:03:34 That really bummed me out. I've been fucked over by Star Wars in the movie theater four times. Name them off. Well, the prequels and then... I was three of them. And then the Rise of Skywalker. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:50 Force Awakens? All right. Serviceable. And at a movie theater, great flick. but did you see the special editions when they were re-released in theaters oh yeah of the prequels no of the four or five and six oh yeah of course so you weren't disappointed by those fuck no i've seen four five and six more times than i can count but the special editions when i my very first actual christmas gift that i loved was the three vhs box of star wars my man i remember that box
Starting point is 00:04:24 Those I ate up. I watched those so many times. Even though they had that goddamn extra scene on Tatouine. Right. With the little Bronosaurus guy. That almost ruined it. That almost ruined it for the whole movie. I admire your positivity.
Starting point is 00:04:43 And I like that you keep a bright attitude coming out of a movie. I often do. Yeah. But, yeah, I just, sometimes I'm like, what am I doing here? What was this? And when we left that theater, I was in a, what was that kind of mood? No, I think that's fair. I think that's totally fair.
Starting point is 00:05:03 I think it's just, it's got that different. For me, it's the difference between like a passive entertainment and an active entertainment. If I'm at home, there's always a certain amount of passivity to it. Like, oh, I can go get something or look at my phone for like five seconds or something like that. Sure. But in movie theater, I'm in. I have to be.
Starting point is 00:05:22 I've chosen to do this, you know? There's more of an event element to it. Although we went to the Alamo Draft House, and it was a baby day screening, which the premise of that is insane. Yeah. That there's a baby day horror movie screening. I don't know, I don't know about this. Yeah. I mean, I don't have kids and I don't know how to parent, so maybe I'm wrong about this, but it seems I don't want a kid in one of these movies.
Starting point is 00:05:49 I wouldn't understand it at all, but I mean, I guess the idea is that there. are people at home with their babies who are like if I stay inside for another five minutes I am going to murder this entire world and I've got to go watch upsetting movie that's what I got to do I got to take my baby so this is what we do now yeah baby doesn't know enough to be upset that's I mean that remains to be seen this baby doesn't know about plot holes we I don't know how babies work maybe later on that'll be the thing yeah and I want to say also I recognize the hypocrisy of me being like on this movie and being also like
Starting point is 00:06:27 I can't wait to watch this shit with Popeye. Popeye. Nobody's saying that your movie reviewing has to be anything. It can be whatever you want it to be. And eclectic, I think, is great. Okay. Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah. So,
Starting point is 00:06:42 I have a review to share with you what's that today. And that is of an episode of Alex Jones's show. Yeah? How is it? It's bad. Ah, shit. It's July 17th, 2025 in the on ongoing saga of Trump really fucking up his response to the Epstein
Starting point is 00:06:58 files. Yep. Last we left off, there was a demon. The 16th was real tough because Trump had tweeted out, I don't want you as my fans anymore, go fuck yourselves. Yep, yep. And Alex had to deal with that on the fly. Yeah. But it's been a day. You know, it's the 17th now. Sure. Now you've got,
Starting point is 00:07:18 you've had time to process it. You've gone home. You've had dinner with some of your kids, presumably. probably. Rogers beat the shit out of you. Rogers spent a long time on the phone with you. Sharing weird pictures of him with dictators in foreign countries over the years. How would you feel if this dictator, I know, talk to you for a second? Yeah, I know people. I don't know. I don't know what happens, but Alex's tone has changed a little bit.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Oh, okay. And it's exciting to see how it's not. That's bad. But we'll get to that here in a second. First, though, let's take a moment to say hello. some new wongs. That's a great idea. So first, been listening for a couple years now and love the show. Also, Jordan, if you're enjoying the Magic, the Gathering Final Fantasy crossover,
Starting point is 00:08:01 I highly recommend trying the Final Fantasy TG, TG. It's super fun, and you can make decks around some of your favorite games. Thank you so much. You're now, Policy Wong. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. I looked into that because you brought it up, the Final Fantasy one. I saw that there's a Spider-Man one coming. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:19 That sounds fun. Yeah, it does sound fun. I might have to get some of them cards. I mean, it's a Spider-Man. Crossover, get out of it. Yeah. Come on. Next, Joe from London says his buddy Eric in South Carolina always knows what time it is when he wakes up. Thank you so much. You're in how a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Sarah. The globalists keep draining the fishing hole. I don't know how it's nefarious at... I'm a policy won't. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we got a technical credit in the mixed, Jordan. So thank you so much to Sarah. The globalists keep draining the fishing hole. I don't know how it's nefarious. But together we can figure this out. Extra love for my boy Sox. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa technocrat.
Starting point is 00:08:58 I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark, binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:09:18 Thank you so much. Yes. Thank you very much. So on our last episode, we left off with Alice. saying that, like, a year ago, Trump put on the ring of Soron. Right. And then he started engaging with his masculine flesh too much. Sure.
Starting point is 00:09:31 And a demon probably got in him, and now he's dark Trump. Like the good guys. Yeah. Yeah. And now you got to deal with that. He's going to crush all of you. And he's just going to be dark Trump. There's nothing you can do.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Yep. So 24 hours later, here's where we are on 17th. I really prayed about the Trump situation and analyzed everything. And I know exactly what's going on. know the truth and president trump is telling the truth and i understand why he's enraged i've also talked to sources and i was so dumbstruck 12 days ago so long by that memo and then and then knowing trump was behind it and then his response saying shut this down stop investigating without any clarity and then coming out Sunday, seven days later,
Starting point is 00:10:26 and saying, no, no, they've had the file, they filled it full of BS, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, of course, that's who controlled the file. And that totally makes sense and is true. That's their MO. That's all they do. But Trump has done a F-minus, I mean, my God, it's worse than an F. I mean, it's like a zero on the Streisand affecting
Starting point is 00:10:49 and not having clarity. and flip-flopping back and forth. It's just been horrifying. But that said, I've had a lot of clarity last night and this morning, and I have some congressional reports out. They've now saved over 30,000 children in sex slavery and slave labor. You only hear about it here and there because under law, they can't reveal, you know, three-year-olds, 10-year-olds, 15-year-olds,
Starting point is 00:11:16 because they're juveniles. But when you see the raid on the big pot farm and now it's 14, kids, some as young as eight, working in slave labor, and God knows what, you're able to learn about that little window because they attacked them with clubs and guns, shot at them, and cinder blocks smashing out their SUV windows, attempted murder. So just a day before this, Trump had posted on Truth Social that he didn't want the support of people who were still talking about Jeffrey Epstein. That's not a bad handling of a breaking story or unclear communication.
Starting point is 00:11:49 like Alex is trying to present this as a PR debacle. Right, right, right, right. That's not what this is. This is a lunatic lashing out against the lunatics he's corralled into a fan base. Sure. Yesterday, it looked like Trump had put on the one ring after getting shot in Butler, and he'd gotten too absorbed in raw masculine power that it created, which made him susceptible to a demon taking over his mind and body.
Starting point is 00:12:10 But today, Alex has prayed about it, and I guess everything's fine. What this indicates to me is that he thinks that things are just going to go back to normal. In the past 10 days since the FBI memo came out, Alex has been trying to figure out what the best positioning was for him. And what narrative was going to allow him to straddle the line between not pissing off Trump and Roger and saving face with the Save the Children crowd needed to serve both of those interests. The way he's talking here makes you think that he's decided that it's safe to downplay this and he's banking on being able to pacify the Epstein child trafficking hardliners by appealing to the ideas that Trump and ICE are saving. all these children from slavery. Yeah. The pot farm bus that Alex is talking about is a really complicated case, and I think that it
Starting point is 00:12:53 absolutely shouldn't have happened like it did, but I don't mean to say that there wasn't any potential wrongdoing, especially from like a labor front on the farm's part. Sure. The raids were carried out on two farm locations run by Glass House, the largest legal weed growers in California. In the ensuing chaos, a man trying to run from ice fell from a roof and died. Around 360 people were detained, including four U.S. citizens. When immigration agents showed up to the farm, they were met by protesters who were a separate group from the workers who were being targeted by ICE.
Starting point is 00:13:25 Alex is exaggerating the violence involved, but there are reports of things like protesters kicking a can of gas back at the officers who threw it at them, and an allegation that someone fired a gun. Whatever the case is here, this was not violence being carried out by immigrants, which ICE is then responding to with violence. The law enforcement are the instigators of the violence in this confrontation. Yeah. In the raid, the police found 10 minors, but it's unclear what that means. The children may have been the offspring of people who worked at the farm who couldn't afford daycare for their kids. We don't know what the specifics are here, but it would be unwise to assume that they were
Starting point is 00:14:00 all child laborers. There's also another sticky issue here, which is that the BBC reported Customs and Border Patrol saying that the youngest minor they found was 14. In California, it's legal for people to work in agricultural jobs over the age of 12, which is something Alex has been very in favor of in the past. His position has always been that in the country, you start work early as a way of life, and laws that prohibit that are meant to be attacks on the rural community. However, even though it's legal for 14-year-olds to work in agricultural settings in California, you have to be 21 or older to work on a cannabis farm. And so that
Starting point is 00:14:37 still could be an issue. But it gets even messier because the glasshouse farm in question was their location in Camarillo, California. According to the Associated Press, when they bought that farm, there were six greenhouses there that were used for tomatoes and cucumbers. Quote, to date, two of the greenhouses have been converted to grow cannabis. Workers' relatives said tomatoes are still being grown in other greenhouses at the location. The point is that we don't know if these 10 miners were even working at this farm, and if they were, it's possible that they were employed in a capacity that people their age in California
Starting point is 00:15:11 can legally be employed in. I'm not saying that there's no problem here, just that the problem is more of a workers' rights issue than an immigration one, just on its face. An ice raid doesn't do shit to address whatever underlying problems may exist from a labor perspective on that farm. But Alex knows that Trump has made himself
Starting point is 00:15:28 really vulnerable to accusations that he's covering up child trafficking, and no matter what the people in the media try to say, Trump will not stop making it worse. Alex can't spin any of that shit that he's doing, so he needs to change the conversation entirely. Sure, Trump is acting super weird about this Epstein stuff, but did you see that raid on a pot farm?
Starting point is 00:15:49 It's not going to work, but it's a decent attempt at misdirection. And you see on this episode a pretty heavy interest in that. Mistirect, redirect these feelings and the attention that people have. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you have to because the only option other than that is the right one, which is to say I'm out. Yep. You know, like when your only option,
Starting point is 00:16:11 is to say I'm out, then you make up a story that helps you say the other. Yep. You know, and I, I mean, it's regular behavior that we all engage in very often. So I think it's fine, except for, you know, it's horrifying. Yeah, it's ridiculous for Alex, a guy who's fighting the devil and shit. There's such a clear choice to make, and he just refuses to make the one choice. I mean, it's just like, hey, like, I, I work at the library, and I've got a bad supervisor.
Starting point is 00:16:45 That sucks, but you'll probably be fine. No big deal. This motherfucker, you're supposed to be fighting the goddamn devil. You're the tip of the spear. Yeah. Is the war with the devil just something that, like, we'll get used to it? I don't think you can do that. I don't think you can operate that way, and that's clearly what he wants to do.
Starting point is 00:17:04 I mean, there is to be more on the other hand, maybe there's something very deep about this. This war between the devil and God been going on for a while, you know, probably going to keep going long after you're dead. So calm and down. Relax about it. Oh, the devil's doing stuff. He's always getting up to stuff. Sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Sure. I'm fine if that's your take. That's not Alex's not. If that were consistent, if you had a laissez-faire take on the devil. What are you going to do with this devil? He's coming. Yeah. If that had been his longstanding position, then I'd be like, hey, cool, man.
Starting point is 00:17:39 That is what you're all about. That would be a different show, though, I imagine. So Alex has come to the conclusion that Trump, he's more good than bad. The point is, is that they are doing so much good dismantling the deep state and all the rest of it that I just find it impossible not to back Trump. I'm going to be very critical of him when he's doing wrong, but I just cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater. And that's where I stand. So that's where he stands. That's a pretty clear position.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Yeah, I mean, I don't think I would ever want to say that out loud. Yeah. It's impossible for me to change is a really fucked up thing to like say out loud, let alone truly believe. It seems like what he's saying is that there's no situation where he's not going to make excuses. Yeah, I am going to walk in on Trump having sex with my wife and I'm going to say, sir, I would like to ask you to leave, please. and I'll see you next year. Not even that. Sir, you have...
Starting point is 00:18:42 Go fuck my wife. Sir, you have proved that my wife is a bombshell because you only fuck bombshells. Right. There you go. Frankly, it's an honor. Yes. It's an honor. And he should also have prima nocte for my daughters.
Starting point is 00:18:54 I think that makes perfect sense. So, like, I think that Alex's primary issue is exploiting fears and sensationalizing abuse against children. Sure. Like, in order to fuel a lot of this propaganda and consistent. conspiracy narratives, that's central for him. And if he's willing to just be like, hey, Trump told us to shut up about this and he called us stupid, if you're going to not throw that bathwater out, there's not a baby
Starting point is 00:19:23 in there. That's just shitty bathwater. Nope, you're fucked. Yeah. Yep. There's no hope. So, look, it's about power, really. Yeah, I think it actually is.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Yes. Yes, I do. I'm going to say this very clearly and very succinctly that I'm going to unpacking. The American people want firings and indictments of the globalist deep state operatives. Now, we've already seen more of that than we've ever seen in modern history. Where? And we've already seen on the big broad brush things with policy, Trump's got like the border and trade and pulling us out of the WHO and so much more.
Starting point is 00:20:09 We've seen bold, dramatic, amazing, spectacular developments. And I have to balance that on the scales. And then look at the bad stuff Trump's doing. And nine times out of ten, when something evil is put in a bill, and we expose it, it's pulled, and it wasn't Trump. And that's why they want this broadcast off the air and others like it, because they know, as a populist movement, we are more powerful than all the corporate media combined.
Starting point is 00:20:43 And we're now able to control the agenda. When they had the UN treaty legislation in the spending bill, when President Trump was just president-elect, pressure shot that down. a few weeks ago when the BBB they had the majority votes to put in a AI dictatorship for 10 years above the law
Starting point is 00:21:12 it got shot down and voted down 99 to 1 now they've got the Genius Act that's got a central bank digital currency pathway in it that Trump says he opposes we'll shoot that down so the point is
Starting point is 00:21:31 we've got traction we're winning If you're keeping score, what Alex is saying is that working with the devil is okay if it makes you win more. If you get what you want, then it doesn't really matter if you cover up sex trafficking in order to enable it. You'll notice this with folks like Alex, where when they're in opposition to the main institutional power structure, they're all about principle. Shit is very simple, and red lines are super easy to draw because they don't really matter. Ron Paul can make all kinds of demands based on principle, and then when nothing gets done, everyone can just move along.
Starting point is 00:22:04 But when they're close to power, that reliance on principle gets replaced by a lot of ends justify the means rhetoric, a lot of you have to take the rough with the smooth kind of talk. This happens because once the people they feel close to are in undeniable power, those red lines actually start to matter. When Trump's supposed to have Kash Patel release the Epstein stuff on day one, there's no real reason for that not to happen. When Ron Paul wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve, everyone knew that wasn't happening and he didn't have the power to get it done. But now all of the right people have the power that they're supposed to have in order to achieve the promised result. They have to shift to this kind of approach because if they stayed with the principled angle, they would have to alienate themselves from their perceived closeness to power. The Alex that was supposed to have existed for the last 30 years would never accept this kind of thing from a politician.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Trump literally said that people who still cared about Epstein were stupid, on TV. Alex, like, it's, it can't be more of a, like, you suck than that. We like to imagine that the old Alex would never have put up with that. But in reality, I strongly suspect that if Roger Stone had thought Alex was a worthwhile investment in 2000, there's a good chance Alex would never have been a Bush did 9-11 guy. Like, I don't, I don't think it's crazy to think that, like, he never would have gone down the 9-11 route. No. If someone had just made him think Bush liked him.
Starting point is 00:23:32 No, the only way to become something that Roger Stone could use is to fake it until they're ready for you. And then you get the job. Build up your thing and then he get called in. You have to build up your whole like persona. And then when that persona is useful to somebody in power to lie with, bang, there you go. And in 2000, it absolutely wasn't. No, nobody needed that shit. No.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Oh. He seemed like a volatile weirdo on public access. Then all of a sudden out of nowhere, there's a 9-11 and then an Iraq war and then a black president, popularity shoots to the moon. Weird. So you got to take, you got to balance this stuff. Sure. The stuff that Trump's really good about and the working with the devil thing. Do you?
Starting point is 00:24:20 Apparently. Interesting. You have to put them on the scales and see what happens. and everyone else wants you to have like 2D thinking about this. Sure. But Alex will not fall into that track. I refuse to be a dim-wit. I refuse to engage in one-dimensional and two-dimensional thinking.
Starting point is 00:24:40 I could oppose bad things Trump's doing all day long and try to get him back on track. Okay. While at the same time supporting the overwhelmingly good things he's doing. Can you? So many people, and so way the corporate media does it, want to make it a black and white issue or a left or right issue or you're either totally do whatever Trump says
Starting point is 00:24:59 or you're a traitor or if you do if you support anything Trump does, you're bad and that's why stuff with Trump coming out over and over again the last week don't question Epstein or you're with the Democrats and you're an idiot and I'm done with you and we don't want you in our movement people say well he didn't write that true social post and then he goes out in press conferences and says basically exact same thing. That is horrible.
Starting point is 00:25:29 But then out of the other side of his mouth, oh, they're going to appoint a special prosecutor, probably had Martin. Great on the Epstein thing. And so my frustration is the handling of this. When Trump came out Sunday, seven days in, and went, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper all had this file for decades. They filled it full of disinformation. It's another Russia, folks, because Trump didn't know, yeah, we're going to release it. They go rate it. Democrats wouldn't turn it over, but they probably leaked on themselves. They get it, and there's a bunch of unsubstantiated crap in there. Guaranteed it'll be the five Jane does that all turned out to be fake, saying Trump raped them and stuff. Turn out those were all fake.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Remember that? It's guaranteed FBI files on that. That's what it is. And I've been thinking that the last four or five days, and I made some calls and people go, how do you know this? We're not going to confirm that to you, but how the hell do you know that. So that's it. And it's not hard to know that. What did they try before? What did they do before? Alex is really screwing himself over with this narrative and he doesn't seem to realize or care. Like if the globalists can manipulate the Epstein files to try to set up Trump, then why couldn't the Trump people manipulate them to set up Democrats? If some piece of evidence ever does get produced about like let's say Bill Gates, why should anyone take it seriously? Alex has just
Starting point is 00:26:51 invalidated the font from which this comes. Now that I'm hearing you ask some very basic questions, I can understand now why Trump said, don't ask any more questions. Right. That makes sense. They're really tough. You don't want to answer him. And what Alex is doing, I believe, is a move in the direction of nihilism.
Starting point is 00:27:10 And I think it's counterproductive for someone in Alex's position. It's gratifying in the short term to get him out of this bind with Trump being really suspicious about Epstein, but it doesn't have legs. So it's a gamble that depends. on people moving on from the Epstein stuff. If the base moves on, then Alex can play this game and move on too. But if they don't, Trump keeps saying this indefensible stuff, then Alex is boxing himself into a position where he has to make excuses for that indefensible stuff Trump is saying.
Starting point is 00:27:39 It would be far better for him to bail because what has a potential to happen after this point is like, like, Ghilane Maxwell. going to another, like a cushy prison. Love it. Right. How is he going to spend that? By having a lot of fun. Right.
Starting point is 00:27:59 And going to the prison with her. Trump's saying that Epstein stole one of his victims. I don't, you know. What's it going to do? Here's what's fun. Here's what's fun about the little things that these guys reveal because they're stupid, right? If your problem is with his handling of this, right? Then your problem is he either didn't lie right or didn't lie.
Starting point is 00:28:21 enough or both or both two people who they nominally like by handling it what they mean is your base will continue to like you right so if you tell the truth and your base does not like you then you're saying that handling is only successful if it's a good lie so you're saying i don't like how they handle this is saying i wish these people would lie to these idiots better yeah that's how we operate. That's a big chunk of it. Right? And then also there is a sort of problematic thing where like this is not really out of the ordinary
Starting point is 00:29:01 for Trump. Like Alex is saying the handling of it is a problem. It's like this is how he handles a lot of shit. He just lashes out and calls people losers. How does it not occur to you that it is an insult to your friends to say that they are being handled appropriately? Oh, he's handling you. You're not smart enough to see through his bullshit. he is handling you appropriately.
Starting point is 00:29:23 Yeah, he usually just doesn't yell at you. Yeah. And you're getting yelled at now. Yep. So, yeah. Why does he make me look stupid? Because you are. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Yeah. So what do you think about that pee tape? Uh, the old pee tape that we remember from the past, uh, the one that seems fairly likely to be, at least basically true. See, this is, this is the issue that I have. Yeah. I don't think I've ever really fully, like, doubted that it's possible. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:50 That exists? It's more important that I'm not, like, doubting it. That's what's more important. Whether it exists or not means nothing. It's that it could. Yeah. I'm not going to stake a solid position on yay or nay on it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:04 But I will say that listening to this clip made me think, oh, it's probably real. Uh-oh. I think Alex is convincing me. Oh, no. Long before they tried to implicate Trump and all this crap, I know a lot of people that know, including Roger Stone, and I asked me about New York Times articles in the 90s. and I talked people with it very close to Trump and I already
Starting point is 00:30:22 knew Trump's proclivities I'm sorry and Trump actually this is a big secret about 15 years ago he actually went and did operant conditioning training for a while I don't know the details
Starting point is 00:30:37 to be able to shake people's hands because he's such a germapode neat freak and you can look that up. It's come out before he was in political that he was a germapho. And I learned his proclivities.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Let's just leave it from that from a lot of people. And the type of women he likes and all of it and what he does. So I research people before I get behind him. And so, yes, it's absolute total crap. Yeah, Donald Trump's going to land in Moscow or St. Petersburg and go to a hotel and have women, he doesn't even know, piss on him.
Starting point is 00:31:23 Yeah. When Trump instructions, you know, tells his wives and he's in a divorce, girlfriends, you got your side of the house, you got your bathroom. I don't want any, you know, I do this before they ever said the piss thing. Trump doesn't like his wife or anybody to, you know, because you're married, your wife will sit down and take a piss in front of you know, I'll piss in front of my wife, but Trump is so neat freak. He doesn't want to see his wife. That's like, I don't want to see you in the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:31:56 So they come out with he wants to be peed on. He's the complete opposite. He loves golden furniture and crisp golf courses and has his staff sit there and steam and vacuum his suit on the airplane while he's writing memos. the guy washes his hands like 50 times a day but no he's being pissed on so so your your argument about why Trump can't be weird about piss is because he's weird about piss yeah yeah yeah see whatever people have an extreme uh reaction to something there's no way that sometimes sexually that can turn into the opposite of such it's something that can't happen no i don't think so it's not it's not a one-to-one always the case, but definitely can happen.
Starting point is 00:32:45 I'm fascinated by Alex's need to be like, he's scared of pee. He doesn't even like see a pee. You're missing the whole problem with the tape. Yeah. Nobody's problem is the pee. I'm fine with the pee. Sure. P on people.
Starting point is 00:33:01 Whatever. If that's your thing, great. Yeah. You can't look online for longer than an hour without seeing somebody pee on somebody else. That's just a fact. Ooh, that might be. That might be a you thing. Listen, it might be your...
Starting point is 00:33:13 Hey, listen, I'm just saying... You can't spend an hour online Googling piss. Here's what I'm doing. Handling people appropriately. Yeah, no, it's a handling issue. Yeah. Trump's handling this poor. And Alex is handling this poorly.
Starting point is 00:33:29 And the way that you're talking about it isn't like, hey, man, if it gets peed on, it gets peed on, no big deal. Here's a problem. He's doing it in a random Moscow hotel and he might become the president someday. That's an issue. but even if there's no, Pete, even if it's just regular sex, that's still an issue. Yeah, I guess. I don't even really care about any of it. No, I agree.
Starting point is 00:33:56 I just think that it's fascinating that Alex can't not care. Right. Like, he can't just be like, are we, like, let's not talk about this dumb piss tape anymore. Exactly. He has to have these elaborate explanations and secret information. about Trump and what he does with his wives. Also, seriously, there's only two ways that I know a person occasionally likes to be peed on. And that's if when I ask them, hey, do you occasionally like to be peed on?
Starting point is 00:34:26 They go, yeah. Or they go, no, never, not once. In fact, I'd love the opposite of being peed on. Being peed on sounds disgusting to me. I can't think of anything gross. I'm not being peed on. Yeah. To me, this, Alex has made me more suspicious.
Starting point is 00:34:40 Yeah. And that's great. He's doing his job. So, you know, this is a guy who hates federal law of enforcement. Sure. He's a state's rights guy. Right. He's super into the, he's against the police state.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Right. Unless they're slave catchers. Yeah, kind of. And if they have quotas and Trump is in charge. Well, I mean, that's great. I look at that, and I look at a 96% drop in smuggling across the border. They basically cut it off. I'm really blown away that it's that successful.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Very impressive. I mean, these federal agents are not sitting around playing ping pong or eating donuts. And I'm told, and I've seen it from my sources, that they are just 18-hour days, maximum output, guzzling energy drinks, just operating on testosterone and adrenaline. And because Trumpans told them through their bosses, you got quotas, you do it, or you're fired. You get massive arrests and massive kids. saved you get bonuses you get promotions you get overtime you get everything so i mean you watch these raids i've seen them outside the office ran into one a few weeks ago i mean these feds are just
Starting point is 00:35:53 running around like like hunting dogs grabbing i mean it's it's i mean it's i mean this is what you're supposed to see going on is it real energy so i mean i i drove in the office like two weeks ago I told the story. I didn't want to get out and get the middle of it. And, I mean, I'm talking 300 yards from the door to the office. They got a Fed vehicle, and then you've got a state police. They're backing them up. And the feds are wearing masks.
Starting point is 00:36:22 And they're literally running back and forth. And they're packing like six people out of the back of this truck, a king cab truck. And they're illegal, it looks like illegal alien males. And the feds, because I pulled over the parking, I don't want to watch them for about five minutes. We're just running back and forth and just checking. It was like they were sped up or something.
Starting point is 00:36:49 You know, like you watch those, the kung fu movies and they speed up the fighting. I was just like, good God, running around like piranhas. So I don't know what they're giving them, but so this is a change. The bad guys hate Trump. That sounds awful. That all sounds very awful. I never want to hear about Waco again for as long as I live.
Starting point is 00:37:12 Go fuck yourself. Based on what you're saying, all of those people could have been shot in the head and you wouldn't give a fuck. You shouldn't. Yeah, fuck off. If you're all right with this. That's absurd. Yeah, Alex's, like, his telling of this story is like, they look like illegals. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:27 That's the only evidence you have to justify why them being treated like piranhas is okay. That is, you're telling on yourself. Everyone, like, this is, but this. is the problem with the past the past is a real piece of shit like this because things that are true also work retroactively like everything that everybody ever said about the fucking bundies doesn't count anymore go fuck yourselves because this shit is true and if this shit is true now then it's true retrospectively yeah and you are always fine with this bullshit you are one i don't know who would be an example of this but someone who really really cared about the bundies and now is aggressively opposed to this must me something if that person exists then i salute you and more power to you for following through yeah you've got consistency and good for you follow through is at this point in time honestly even if it's not great follow through seems better than whatever it is i'm dealing with all of these fucks doing yeah it's impressive in its own way yeah so uh Alex is like uh he's he's we know
Starting point is 00:38:31 trying to get to this place where like everything is fine yeah Trump's cool now yeah um and he i think he's kind of saying on air like hey trump thanks for clearing this up oh my god thanks for giving us talking points i said this last week i said you know they really indict the globalist and and and keep shaving the kids and all that and keep the border shut down in the aggregate it's you know thousands of times 100 000 times bigger than epstein's intelligence operation if whatever reason then on the resources or it's old cases or whatever People aren't going to buy it, but I understand it. I understand the thinking.
Starting point is 00:39:14 But for God's sakes, don't tell us that it never existed, and these aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along. Just please, you cannot say something worse to make everybody think you're guilty, Mr. President. And I know you're pissed off. Well, thank God you started telling us on Sunday, oh, no, it's Brennan, it's Clapper, it's Comey,
Starting point is 00:39:37 which did control the foul on record. That's already known. And of course they would do something like that. I mean, I don't even think it's a question. Of course they did. Alex is effectively just thanking Trump for telling him what to say. After a rocky start of a few days, Trump gave Alex something that he could work with
Starting point is 00:39:54 when he lashed out against crooked Hillary. And Alex thinks that this is good enough to work. Another interesting thing here is that Alex is trying to make a deal with the audience. If they can just ignore this. Quite literally. Yeah. If they can just look the other way, way on this, then everyone gets to pretend that
Starting point is 00:40:09 Trump is solving an even bigger evil problem. Right. And maybe in the end that balances out. Doesn't it? Yeah. Doesn't the imaginary? Ultimately Trump the other imaginary? It certainly does. And so I think that Alex is like, okay, Trump, you could have, like,
Starting point is 00:40:25 if there was message discipline, we could have just gone with this from the start and we could have solved a lot of problems. Right. Instead, you had to be a dick. I mean, that's one of the things that They fucking, they love that shit of like that 40 chess and stuff like this. And it's like, man, sometimes it's just either the truth or not true.
Starting point is 00:40:46 There are sometimes, sometimes there's, the messaging is less important than if he'd just gone, here it is. Right? And if he doesn't go, here it is, that is an answer that's more important than anything that you might think about handling it. Yeah. And I think even on top of that, little hat to put on top of that is if he's like, hey, you're stupid. for asking questions about this. Yeah. That goes beyond the...
Starting point is 00:41:11 That one's... Doing it or not. Yeah, I wouldn't have done that one. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking mess. That's bad handling. So there's big news out of the HHS,
Starting point is 00:41:19 Department of Health and Human Services. They've hired everybody back and they exist again? Nah. Oh, shit. You've got Kennedy purging the big government corporate-corporate-run Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Johnson and Johnson boards putting in Patriots and real scientists. You've got them firing more people today, they're a globalist. We'll be getting to that.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Maha Shakeup, HHS Secretary Armicay Jr. fires two top staffers and appoints new acting chief of staff. It's on. So that's a great headline for Alex, but it's not true. Kennedy did fire two people that day, but they were his chief of staff and deputy chief of staff for policy. These were Heather Flick Melanson and Hannah Anderson, respectively, and neither of them were big pharma plants on the department, they were directly hired by Kennedy himself in January. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:11 At the time of her appointment, Politico reported that Melanson's choice as chief of staff for HHS was an indication that Trump was looking to keep an eye on what Kennedy was up to because she's a Trump loyalist. She worked at the HHS in Trump's first term, so it was generally understood that she was a proxy to make sure that Kennedy didn't go too far off script and do things that were actually threatening to the business interests that support Trump. Right. Hannah Anderson was also a Trump loyalist and generally just a staunch anti-abortion activist.
Starting point is 00:42:40 No one really has an issue with Kennedy firing or replacing these people that he's hired. He has the right to staff his office how he sees fit. But the reason that this is even a headline is because he fired two highly positioned people in the department. And some of the circumstances around it could look like it signifies a break between Trump and Kennedy. Sure. And the media loves to report on that kind of stuff. Love it. And so that's why this is a head.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Alex is, he just knows nothing about this. He's reading a headline and telling a story. Yeah, that's ridiculous. And part of that is because he's confusing this with news from a month prior when Kennedy fired the whole advisory committee for immunization practices and replaced them with dipshits like Robert Malone. Sure. So he's kind of just assuming this is more of the same.
Starting point is 00:43:24 I mean, it's a fair assumption. In his minimal defense, it is a fair assumption that when you see one of these people firing somebody, It's for some made-up, dumb reason. Yeah, and you can pass it off. He's like, hey, he's firing more globalists. Yeah, you got them. They're because I'm autism. Yep.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Go to sleep, audience. I'm handling you. Yeah, yep. I'm handling you by telling you everyone's a globalist. You guys are the smart people who can see through all the bullshit. And now I'm going to lie directly to your faces. Yeah. So, Alex talks about child labor and how the New York Times even had to come out and talk about it.
Starting point is 00:44:02 Wait. They did it as a cover-up. talked about it, but it was a cover. Okay. Remember, three years ago, the New York Times, just a cover it's asked, and a couple of big reports with thousands of children as young as nine, on average 14,
Starting point is 00:44:17 in tire factories, cereal factories, grain processing factories, textile plants, and nothing against the north and places like Michigan and Illinois, but... The north? You notice, you don't ever see this in the south.
Starting point is 00:44:33 just because there's still Christian values and there's some of it but not much it's in Illinois it's in Michigan it's it's it's in California and you know and they're raping these kids too
Starting point is 00:44:54 and they're not even school they're sleeping on mats so if there's anything that the South is famous for it is not exploiting labor no that is is the number one thing I think of. When I think of the South, I think, whoo, good thing those people never exploited people.
Starting point is 00:45:10 Christian values. Christian values. So the New York Times has actually done a ton of articles about companies exploiting child labor. In many cases, immigrant children who were made to work in dangerous conditions. It's not just in the north where people have abandoned Christian values. It's a longstanding, disgusting trend that's been allowed to go on because addressing the problem would involve punishing big businesses, and that goes against American
Starting point is 00:45:32 values. Paying people decent wages will attract qualified and appropriate workers to fill the jobs you need filled, but that also cuts down on profits. So you can get around that by getting a ton of your labor from subcontracting companies who technically are the ones who are the employers of these people who are then being leased to you to do work. You get someone to fill your position and you get to have plausible deniability if the people working in your factory aren't legally allowed to work. Therefore, you protect yourself from any of the consequences you insulate the business. how that very obvious thing you're doing somehow still works. Yeah. Republican lawmakers are strongly behind allowing this to continue. And one of the harsher examples of this is Sarah Huckabee Sanders,
Starting point is 00:46:14 governor of Arkansas and Trump's former press secretary, signing a bill in 2023 that got rid of the requirement for children under 16 to get a worker's permit to get a job. That requirement forced employers to verify a worker's age and make sure that their parents signed off on them working. But the GOP in Arkansas just got rid of that. So to put it as simply as possible, Alex is a full-fledged supporter of the team that is actively pushing for more child labor. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:42 And he can do all this sensational shit around it that he wants, but his policies and the people he supports will lead to far more child labor exploitation. See, now this is what you say, but the man wants to bring back coal mines. Are you telling me that there's a risk of exploiting children in small, tight spaces like that? Uh-huh. Oh, my God. That's crazy. Now, next thing you know, we're going to have a bunch of looms eating children. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Boy. Yeah. I just don't know how to put it any more simply. He gets his way. There will be a lot of kids who are working in dangerous conditions. Who needs fingers when you're nine? Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:22 You know what? It's the nanny state. It's the nanny state. You're totally right. So one of the issues that Alex clearly is trying to move attention from, Trump's Epstein stuff over to, is the California fires. Sure. And the rebuilding effort on that.
Starting point is 00:47:42 The article's up on Infowars.com with the video from John Bound. Another conspiracy theory comes true. California bill passes to buy fire-rabbage palisades for low-income apartments and pay you a fraction of what your property's worth. They have issued get ready for this out of tens of thousands of homes to less than 10 permits to rebuild. But you remember the press conference back in
Starting point is 00:48:11 January, late January, right when Trump got in with the communist mayor. I mean, she mentions the communist work for Cuba, intelligence agencies, Bass, and people say, we haven't been given permits. We need to be able to get in there. And she goes, oh, you'll get permits this week. They've issued
Starting point is 00:48:29 eight permits. The bill that they're talking about doesn't do what Alex and John Bown are claiming. It includes a provision for the county of L.A. to purchase lots at a fair price and rebuild stuff that's in the public interest like infrastructure or possibly affordable housing. No one has to sell their lots, and I'm not saying that this isn't something that could be taken advantage of. And, you know, it's not necessarily a good thing, but it's not what Alex is describing where they're just going to buy up your shit. Sure. From an NBC Los Angeles article published on July 8th, the county had received 1,27 requests to rebuild, but they'd only issued 90 permits at that time. In that clip, Alex cited two completely incorrect numbers because he's just making the shit up.
Starting point is 00:49:19 Right. Ten permits and then eight a little bit later. It's about the same. So that number, the 90 out of 1207, that only reflects the requests the requests made to unincorporated L.A. County. The L.A. Department of Building and Safety had received 360 requests and approved 70. In an effort to make this process move more quickly, Gavin Newsom exempted fire building projects, the rebuilding projects from the fire. He exempted them from the 2025 building code standards, only requiring that they follow the 2022 code, but it's still taking like 50 days for permits to be approved, which is too long, but it's also not nearly what Alex is saying. It sucks, and I'm sure that I don't know what the answer is to make it go more quickly, but I'm confident that it's not just lying about the situation in order to build conspiracy theories to distract the audience from Trump's mishandling of thatstein.
Starting point is 00:50:13 But, like, it's nuts. Those numbers are from nine days before this episode that Alex is recording. He's just making shit up. Yeah. You know what you could do. And here's what I've learned from the movie weapons, all right? Find a rich person's house. Maybe brainwash them, maybe not.
Starting point is 00:50:32 Not important. But you can fit a bunch of people in the basement. Just go live in the basement. You don't have a home, right? Those rich people probably don't even live there. It's probably empty. Go live in their basement. I don't think that people were living comfortably in that basement.
Starting point is 00:50:46 I mean, you know, but I mean, you got 50 days to wait for the permit, so it's better than... Okay. You know? Sure. Yeah. Maybe that's what the movie was about. I think that's what the movie was about. If these kids need a place to stay, keep them in the...
Starting point is 00:50:59 basement. It makes sense. So Alex is, he's really trying to move the focus over to the communist mayor of L.A. Yeah. Not letting anyone rebuild. And he remembered that press conference. Yeah. In the last clip. Okay. And so he has
Starting point is 00:51:15 one of the producers pull it up. All right. And I think it's pretty interesting. Okay. But see, it's the perfect crime, frame. The reservoir don't send the fire trucks that night. They said, we didn't sit an extra fire trucks. We said the next morning. That's on record. And everything else they did. trimming the brush for years. The fire department begging for it.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Cutting the fire department. Putting DEI people, they're totally incompetent in charge. So I know what's going on. And then administratively burning that sucker to the ground. And then I said he's going to appoint a task force, them at the head. He's a declared disaster. He's above the law. And they're going to build compact 15-minute city, high-rises, 200-square-foot coffin apartments, because that's in the UNESG.
Starting point is 00:51:55 And now it's all been announced. exactly as I said here is the clip back from six months ago heard what Trump saying yeah we're going to give you the permits right away and of course it was all a lie here it is we're bringing our our city departments together so that people don't get caught
Starting point is 00:52:22 in the loop of going from one room to the next we want them all to be in the same room so that you can get busy rebuilding ASAP. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. And we will clear the lots. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:52:40 In the city and in the county. We are working together. Both levels of government are working in unity. That's the answer that we got and that's where we're all hanging on. Yes. So if you're telling us it now faster, Is it six months? Is it, I mean, all of our lives, rents, all this stuff is weighing on this.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Six months is no good. And the number one thing that we are going to do immediately, and you will see this happen, is to clear out the debris. And you know, we're concerned right now over the weekend because of the potential rain. But we are going to move as fast as we can, but we want you to be safe. And we want you to be back in your homes immediately. But the people are willing to clean out their own. own debris. It doesn't cost a lot. You should let them do it because by the time you hire contractors, it's going to be two years. If a family, people are willing to get. Are you negotiating with me right
Starting point is 00:53:39 now? And do it themselves and clean it out. And there's not that much left. It's all incinerated. That's right. And, you know, it's just going to take a long time if you do. You can do some of it. But a lot of these people, I know that guy right there that's talking. I know my people. You'll be on that thing tonight. Throwing the stuff away and your site will be. it'll look perfect within 24 hours and that's what he wants to do. He doesn't want to wait around for seven months till the city hires some demolition contract
Starting point is 00:54:05 that's going to charge him $25,000 to do his lot. I think you have to you have emergency powers just like I do and I'm exercising my emergency powers. You have to exercise them also. I did exercise them. Because I look, I mean you have a very powerful
Starting point is 00:54:21 emergency power and you can do everything within 24 hours. Yes. And if individual want to clear out their property they can we yes but you know that you will be able to go back soon we think within a week that's a long time a week i'll be honest to me that everyone's standing in front of the house they want to go to work and they're not allowed to do it and the most important thing is a long time to be safe they're safe they're safe you know what they're not safe they're not safe now.
Starting point is 00:54:57 So Alex thought that clip was Trump and L.A. Mayor Bass arguing about how long it was going to take to get permits to rebuild after the fire, but it was actually about the speed with which people could begin clearing debris. The reason that I think this clip is really important is because how Trump's mind shifts and the argument changes because he's a baby who's throwing a tantrum. Bass is discussing the timetable and logistics for when properties will be cleared so people can return to their homes. and Trump first tries to pick a fight about how people just want to clean up the debris themselves.
Starting point is 00:55:28 They don't want to wait for the government to do it for them. They're good, hardworking people who just want to roll their sleeves up. Bass tries to calmly explain to him that people can do that if they want. They don't have to rely on the city or the county to remove the debris. But as it turns out, of the 12,048 properties destroyed in the fire, the owners of 9,873 of them decided to rely on the government's public cleanup program. 1882 chose to do the cleanup themselves, and nothing was stopping them from making that choice. However, in the immediate aftermath of the fires, people were not allowed to go back to their homes, largely because of very easy to understand safety risks.
Starting point is 00:56:08 In the moment, Trump has lashed out and whined about how people should be allowed to clean up their own lots and not rely on the government, and Bass has tried to explain to him that they can. She's like a teacher trying to deal with a child who's angry about a non-existent problem. Trump instinctively knows that he's lost to this point and he looks dumb, but he's also still angry, so he can't just say, okay, well, I'm glad everyone can choose whether or not to clean up their own property. He has to wait for the next thing that Bass says and complain about that and pretend that was the thing that he was really mad about. This is a huge part of Trump's allure and part of what he and Alex share, which is the steadfast refusal to acknowledge being wrong and the will to just keep talking. it's all about momentum it almost doesn't matter what he's saying to bass but folks like alex will just see this and celebrate the fact that he kept being a dick to her yep he didn't let
Starting point is 00:57:01 being wrong keep him down nope he just still kept punching yep and what's most important is that she gave up um yeah or acted like an adult like you know up to her yeah no but but like i think in the moment a lot of people probably would not be able to really even recognize that like I have made my point, you have made a dumb rebuttal and we're talking about something else now. Like we've moved on from this point, but you're pretending that we're still in the same argument. Yep.
Starting point is 00:57:36 Like most, I think, I think someone in Bass's position probably is used to dealing with like people who are operating as adults. Yeah. I mean, that's, but I mean, that's why they lost. Mm-hmm. That's why everybody lost. Mm-hmm. That's it.
Starting point is 00:57:52 So, I mean, I guess keep doing it. I guess the alternative is you just have to treat babies like adults. I guess. Well, not literal babies, but metaphor babies. Trump babies. Anyway, this episode takes a turn for the worse. Sounds right. Alex has a guest who is going to be coming up named the John Carriacu.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Is FBI CIA whistleblower fella? Right, right, right, right. clearly paying for time on the show. So he's coming on, and Alex has seen him on some other shows, talking about how Israel is taking over the United States. Okay. And so now that's a real angle. What are we doing?
Starting point is 00:58:35 John Kiryaku is a former head of counterterrorism, CIA in Afghanistan and other countries. Very famous, very prestigious, very documented what he said was true, exposing illegal torture programs and more. I've interviewed him a few times and he did a great job, but he has been on fire with Patrick Bed David and Tucker Carlson on Israel
Starting point is 00:58:58 really trying to take over the United States not just foreign policy and so much more so very impressed and again he's not anti-Israel folks and I want to be clear I don't say that as like wink wink dog whistle I love
Starting point is 00:59:16 Hitler you know but Oh, I don't really hate all the Jews. It's just the Zionist crap. I'm a somewhat of a historian. Somewhat of a historian. Fuck off. Yeah. Well, I mean, somewhat is a very heavy word in this equation here.
Starting point is 00:59:36 I think if you take it seriously that you're not dog whistling and trying to hide beliefs behind this kind of shit, you really have a responsibility not to hang out with and promote people who are. and are very explicit about how that's what they're doing. And I think that Alex, he does not pass that test. Okay, so here's my question, right? Israel, they take over. Ah, we've been taken over by Israel. But, I mean, but what does that look like? What does that mean?
Starting point is 01:00:06 Do all churches close? I mean, two people in the more extreme ends of Alex's audience, I think they probably think that that's happened all along. time ago. Sure, but I mean, like, you don't even have enough people to administrate a local government. If you're Israel, you can't possibly deal with a bureaucracy the size of the United States. You're a country of like 10 million people. You would need more than that to run the government. Sure. And that's where blackmail comes in. I don't know. Okay. I have no idea. All right. I'm just
Starting point is 01:00:42 saying that there's no, like, I get it, that it's scary, but also that there's nothing to do. Well, sure, but I mean, like, how many globalists were there in Alex's conception? That's fair. I mean, it changes. That's fair. A lot. Yeah. But, I mean, you have like the Council of 12.
Starting point is 01:00:58 They've been in the back burner for a long time. But that's a really small amount of people. That isn't many. Right. So, I mean, you can, you know, people, motivated folks can get things done. Yeah, I guess. So Alex is, he's, you know, talking about how he's going to have this guy on and he's complaining a lot about Israel and Jews. a bit interchangeably and unfortunately.
Starting point is 01:01:21 And he starts complaining about how everyone thinks that he's anti-Semitic. And he doesn't do a great job of convincing me otherwise. Okay. Now, if I can hit a button right now and send all the Jews to Mars, I wouldn't do it. But at the same time, I am extremely sick of the ADL and the left and just my whole career on air being called anti-Semitic. If I say there's a globalist and there's a World Bank and the Federal Reserve is private.
Starting point is 01:01:47 Oh, that's a secret code word for Jews. Well, I mean, the Rothschilds, when they set up the Federal Reserve, was the only audit, owned something like 80% of the shares in it. So, yeah, Jews own the Federal Reserve. Okay, you can't own something that's shadowy and basically runs things and then get mad by, say, Jews control the Federal Reserve. I mean, again, it's a fact. Okay, so I think Alex defeated his own argument there.
Starting point is 01:02:20 He's like, yeah, I don't, you know, I can't be called anti-Semitic when I say globalists, but now the Jews do run the center of the globalist power structure. So, I mean, I guess I am kind of saying. I was using coded language before, but now that I think about it, I was using coded language before. Yeah. Perhaps I should just use regular language. language it's fucking crazy these kinds of thoughts spilling out of his head i'm a huge fan of this benchmark for racism would i send all of them to the moon i think that's uh a specific
Starting point is 01:02:57 callback to a conversation he had with nick fuentes right yeah yeah so he's trying to be like well i mean nick's really really antisemitic right i'm not moon jews i'm gonna tell you something i'm gonna tell you something right now it doesn't matter if you send all of them them to the moon or just one of them if it's for the crime of being Jewish. Yeah, the intent is, yeah, important. That one's the hard part. So Alex, I think, reveals a little bit too much. And I think that one of the things that he reveals is I think he's jealous of Israel.
Starting point is 01:03:33 Hmm. And that's a whole other thing. I can't sit there and watch Israel be an ethno state. And not miss Rhodes. Jews can't marry non-Jews in Israel. And I'm like, fine, you're allowed to have an ethno state. I'm not even saying people can't have that. But then if some white Christians just want to be white separatists and preserve their culture,
Starting point is 01:03:53 the ADL, the Jewish lobby, and all of it attacks them and says they're Nazis. Well, why do you get to have an national state and white people can't? Oh, boy. I mean, this is like a good national men's day conversation. You know, this is one of those really good, like, I understand that you think, aha, my answer that there is no national men's day. will defeat you. But in fact, there is.
Starting point is 01:04:16 And I think if you really dig down into a lot of countries, you'll see a lot of white ethnostates, if you really look for them. Sure. But I also think that something that's fascinating about this is, like, making an argument like this reveals more about you than it does about the United States, about Israel, about anything.
Starting point is 01:04:39 No, it's about fairness. I want a national, if there's a national women's day, all these women's, having days, right? Then there should be a national men's day. And I think the same thing is true for ethno states. Cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:52 Yep. Great. Yep. So Alex brings up some memories. And I think that this John Kiriaku guy, I think he's in maybe a little bit of an orientation period, a feel-out process to be the new Steve Pachanick. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:05:10 We're auditions. I think so. Okay. I think because he has like this intelligence background. Sure. He has some kind of appearance of credibility. Whistleblowery. He's clearly interested in talking to Alex.
Starting point is 01:05:21 He wants to push his agenda on Alex, which he's fine with. Yep. And so I think Alex is thinking about Steve. And he probably wants to pay more than Steve. Maybe. I don't know. Steve had a nice Florida condo, right? Anyway, he, Alex, I think he's thinking of Steve.
Starting point is 01:05:39 Okay. And of course, Hitler double crossed him all at the end. That's why Madeline Albright's dad, one of the main Jews, running the operations with Nazis rounding up Jews. He was at the top, Soros was at the bottom. He's daily people like Steve Pacheneck who's Jewish or half-Jewish. I guess the dad's Catholic, the mom was Jewish, so it makes him Jewish, you know, high-level CIA at the time, a long time ago.
Starting point is 01:06:05 Really smart guy, but, you know, he would go off on it all day long about how the Jewish leadership made a deal with Hitler and all this. and knew about the persecution coming and had a deal to some of the Palestine. But in the middle of it, the Germans lost control of North Africa and the Middle East. And they said, no, you were going to kill all of you now. And then they, of course, rounded up even in Paris, one of the Rothschilds was running a bank with all the stolen Jew money. They took from their own people. Wild!
Starting point is 01:06:35 And they killed them. So it's true. Even a couple of Rothschilds got killed. Oh, you mean Hitler double-crossed you? Yeah. You got out criminaled. Rothschild. Try this. Try this game. Rothschild bad, Hitler bad.
Starting point is 01:06:53 See, you're not supposed to go, Rothschild good, Hitler bad, or Hitler good, Rothschild bad. No, Rothschild bad, Hitler bad. See how that works? Cyanide bad, arsenic bad. It's bad to be shot with a shotgun. It's bad to be shot with 357 Magnum in the head. If Alex wants to bring up stuff that Steve used to tell him, then he should probably also remind the audience why Steve isn't allowed on the show anymore. Steve wouldn't stop going along with the Q&on-type narratives about how the 2020 election was run with watermarked ballots and that Trump would be installed as president any day now.
Starting point is 01:07:27 And it just didn't work for the direction Alex's content was going. In order to navigate out of that kind of trouble, Alex decided that Steve was still working for intelligence agencies and was feeding him misinformation. nation. Essentially, he was a globalist trying to distract Alex in his audience with his fake hope, so they wouldn't do the hard work of trying to support Trump in his real battles. If that's possibly true, then it should call for a full-scale reassessment of the other things that Steve has brought into the mythology of Info Wars, but that audit is more elusive than the one Alex wants to do on the Federal Reserve. What he's spouting here is just anti-Semitic trash, and I can't really imagine that Alex doesn't understand that. He's really gone out of his way to
Starting point is 01:08:07 avoid being too explicit about a lot of this stuff in the past for a reason, and it's because he's aware of that large section of his audience that are just straight-up Nazis waiting for him to come out. When Alex said earlier that he wasn't dog whistling, he was doing that because he knows that a bunch of his friends like Nick are, and it caters to a specific part of his audience. Sure. It's great that Alex thinks he's operating on some higher level by saying that Hitler and the Rothschilds are bad, but he's actually just infantilizing this issue by pretending that there's an equivalence here.
Starting point is 01:08:38 And it's bad. It's real bad. And I don't think that it's not things that he's thought for a long time. Let's name all the things that are bad and equalize them with Hitler. Traffic. Traffic bad. Hitler bad. A lot of people are saying that Hitler good, traffic bad.
Starting point is 01:08:59 Traffic good, Hitler bad. You can do both. See? These are the same things, really. So if you're complaining about the Holocaust, you're really just complaining about traffic. Right. Honestly. And I think that Alex tries to play that game where he's acting like this is some kind of complex, higher level thinking that he's engaged in.
Starting point is 01:09:16 And it's not. It's baby shit. Yeah. Yep. Anyway, I will say that I agree with Alex about one important point that he makes in this clip. And that is that he is not a closet racist. And that's because there is no closet. I mean, Soros is still alive and was helping round up Jews for the Nazis.
Starting point is 01:09:34 And I'm just like, and then you fund groups call me a Nazi, fuck off, man. Because I know all about Hitler, and don't compare me to you and your boss. That's why the Nazis don't lie to me because they love Hugo Boss uniforms and the formations and the geometry and the architecture. And it makes them feel powerful to see a bunch of mainly homosexual men and black uniforms marching around. Oh, yeah, the Nazis were just coming, come on. I just know too much. It's like Norrell-Sparkley says. I have gone crazy.
Starting point is 01:10:08 I just know too much. Just like Narls-Barkley. So, no, I'm not a closeted anti-Black person. I'm on a closeted anti-Hispanic. I'm on a closeted anti-Jew. But what I am is openly against racist black people, and that's not even most of them, but they're out there, and I will not bow to them,
Starting point is 01:10:25 and I won't bow to Jews trying to make me feel guilty to them, and I'm not going to bow to anybody, and I'm proud to be white. And there's only 7% of the world that's white, And there's all these movements to not be white and don't have a white wife. I mean, hell, if you love somebody this other color, I'm attracted to people all colors. But my point is, is it by always telling me it's bad that I'm white all day, I'm like, well, hell, I better get some more white babies around here. Is that what, do you think?
Starting point is 01:10:48 Polar bears to go extinct. Yeah, man. So anyway, I agree entirely that Alex is not a closet racist. There was never been a closet. No. I'm not a Nazi. I know him. I've studied Hitler. I know exactly what he's doing. And that's why whenever I say that ICE is going to these places, tearing people from their homes and then putting them in pens, I am telling you that I don't like Hitler.
Starting point is 01:11:20 Yeah, because, you know, Hitler, he just liked shapes and gay uniforms. And he was just, you know what, that's the problem with liberals, is that you say, oh, I'm going to round up all these people. and then they whine at you and tell you that it's bad to be white. Right, and they try and imply that you're a gay guy with a uniform. Exactly. And you're not. I'm not gay. I'm just a racist.
Starting point is 01:11:42 Yeah. So it's not like that Alex has ever really been trying to hide his racism per se. Sure, sure. It's more that his ideology is built on a foundation of racism, anti-Semitism, and tycoon worship, to the extent that it just all feels natural to him. On top of that, he's a coward. And throughout his career, he's known that to let this. side of himself be more explicit on air would basically fuck over any chances he had at making
Starting point is 01:12:05 money. So he's been pretty vigilant about speaking in his code. He clearly doesn't feel like that matters anymore. And he's making an obvious play to try to win over some of Nick's fans. It's not going to work, though, because Nick's fans don't want this. They want someone saying we need to send the Jews to the moon. Right? I mean, like, they are beyond this. Listen, all right. You have oatmeal. You eat a lot of oatmeal. You like oatmeal. Then you have lucky charms. You're not going back to fucking oatmeal.
Starting point is 01:12:36 You're not going back. The extreme sugar is going to keep you there. Unless you have like a heart attack or something. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, exactly. Unless there's a crisis and you need to go back to oatmeal. Right. Unless the, unless you have to, you will not choose to.
Starting point is 01:12:50 It's unlikely. Yeah. And I think that Alex is chasing something that is just not attainable unless he finds a way to go more extreme than Nick, and I don't think there's a way for him to credibly do that, given his 30-year track record. I mean, he knows Hitler. That's where you got to go. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:13:09 I, uh, Hitler tells me what time it is at night. Right. That would fight, if it turned out to be the ghost of Hitler, that would finally make sense of everything. Uh-huh. Right? Uh-huh. When was he born?
Starting point is 01:13:22 He was born in like the 50s, right? Alex? Yeah. 1974. 1970. God, it feels like he should be so much old. It still bums me out. Every time I find out how old he is, I'm like, that cannot be true.
Starting point is 01:13:34 It's rough. That cannot be true. He's lived a tough life. Oh, my God. Hard life full of spirits and spirits. All right. Well, I mean, okay. How long would it take, if you were a spirit, to walk from Germany to Texas?
Starting point is 01:13:50 Probably about the distance between Alex's birth and Hitler's death. Probably. Yeah. I would say exactly the distance. Yeah. So I'm trying to find a way to make this work with the Gene Hackman of it all. Hitler killed Gene Hackman. I think we all know that now.
Starting point is 01:14:07 Okay. God is real. Okay. And he was trying to get Alex to go to Gene Hackman. Okay. Because Alex is animated by the spirit of Hitler. Hitler has the demon has gotten within him. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:22 Gene Hackman had a spirit in him. Okay. whoever was running Operation Valkyrie. Okay. So he's trying to lure Alex. So we've got the ancient, the never-ending battle between Valkyries and Hitler. Yeah. So God was trying to lure Alex to Gene Heckman.
Starting point is 01:14:40 Sure. So Gene Hickman could finish the job. Right. I don't know. That, I mean, it would make, here's what it makes more sense, right? Hitler and the Valkyries guy actually spirits who've been around since the dawn of human civilization. They've always been fighting and possessing people. they just keep going back and forth doing this over and over and over again.
Starting point is 01:14:59 Finally, the spirit of Hitler is like, I've got the upper hand, and God is trying to get and then, bam, Gene Hackman's gone. That's what happened. We lost a real one. We lost a real one. We lost the Valkyries guy. So, I mean, look, this is bad. It's all bad. It's bad.
Starting point is 01:15:17 And this is not good. You know, the Nazis trying to, oh, there's not really high, you know, Jews aren't as smart as they say. Blu-blah, blibli, blis. This is going well. Bullshit. Why has our whole religious world system come out of them? I mean, just knock it off. It is Judeo-Christian.
Starting point is 01:15:34 Does it mean it's Jewish Christianity? Now, that's what they mean. No, I mean, it comes out of Abraham. Christianity came right out from between the legs of Abraham. Sure. And the abomination of Islam. Hot. And the Bible says this will be the abomination.
Starting point is 01:15:54 So just stop. We're obsessed with the Jews, and they're obsessed with themselves because there is something special, especially good and especially bad. Because anything that's, the more you can have a thousand horsepower car, and you know how to drive it, it's great. If you don't know how to drive it, you'll get your ass wrapped around telephone pole. And that's what I'm telling the Jews, not as well. one-mouthed group, but the ones, you know who you are.
Starting point is 01:16:27 Stop using psychological warfare. Stop using black magic. Stop using dirty tricks. Stop it. Because you don't think about black magic? It comes back on the person that does it sevenfold. Yikes. Yikes.
Starting point is 01:16:39 This isn't good. This is a bad direction for Alex's content to be going. Okay. All right. Stop it. All right. So, Christianity, you know, I get what you're saying. Who's doing black magic?
Starting point is 01:16:55 Uh, apparently select Jews. See, this is the problem. Yeah. See, this is the problem. You don't even have to tell me anything else than, uh, no, what I'm trying to say is that Jews who do black magic will receive worse than seven times the result. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I can see why you would think that.
Starting point is 01:17:09 So now, I also, I think it's important to remember that the people that he's arguing with in his head are Nick. Yep. And Nick's fans. Yep. When he's saying that, like, oh, people say that the Jews aren't as smart as they say. Stop it. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:24 Just saying that there's no Judeo-Christian heritage or, like, that's stuff that Nick says. Yeah. Alex is just mad about things that he's seen Nick tweet. Yeah, like what, in what world are you having so many of these conversations that your, your tone of voice is like, just stop telling me that the Jews aren't good? Like, what are we talking about? Right. And how desperate do you have to be to be this mad about this person?
Starting point is 01:17:53 Yeah. And the things that Nick is saying And still be like, I kind of want to hang around him Stop, I want to be you and suck out your youth Yeah, but I just can't commit Can't do it So yeah, more bad Sounds great
Starting point is 01:18:07 More really bad stuff I feel like we're doing great No, we're not You don't think I'm black magic I mean in general dirty tricks You don't think I'm not pretty smart And don't know how to do a lot of really nasty stuff To you after what you've done to me
Starting point is 01:18:19 You don't think I don't know it's been Your mafia that's been on top of my ass. I'm sorry? Did you? I warned you that you're going to get your asses in a lot of trouble where you're going. And you're going to conjure a new Adolf Hitler. It'll probably get us all killed.
Starting point is 01:18:37 See, I'm smart enough to look ahead here. No, I'm actually Israel's best friend because I care about everybody. And if you think, those of you that think you're going to blow the Jews up and they're not going to take you with them, you're an. idiot but again if i could blow the jews up all right now and and get away with it and add a button i wouldn't push it because that's not in god's you're a hero you're a goddamn hero you start doing that you know who's playing you're part of you're like oh wait you're saying they're with god no there with a whole bunch of stuff when god favors you so does the devil
Starting point is 01:19:17 the more power i get the more the devil comes a knocking and more of the temptation gets. So I know what the Jews have gone through, because you know what? I'm exceptional. I'm powerful. So I recognize you've had a lot of exception. I have exception. And you know, the Jewish lobby knows that about Northern Europeans.
Starting point is 01:19:41 And they don't like competition. And that's why they're after them. So stop it. Oh, boy. That's, I mean, what do you say? I mean, I feel like that's not that. yeah sure so if you if you need to be convinced that this is real bad i don't think there's any reason ever to listen to anybody past listen up jews nothing good ever follows that nothing good
Starting point is 01:20:12 ever follows like we're going to a water park never never yeah and i i think you could probably sub in any group yeah uh and i think that you'd probably get yourself into really dicey territory fast. Here's what's important about the stupid fucking group bullshit is you're looking at ICE as they're doing the thing that's happening. It doesn't matter if you're an illegal immigrant quote unquote or not. They're just rounding up people that look the same, right? It is not about whether or not you are Jewish.
Starting point is 01:20:42 They're just rounding people up. It's not about the thing. And in fairness to Alex, on July 17th, he didn't know that Trump was going to take over D.C. Well. He didn't know. He doesn't, he didn't know they're going to send federal agents in and stuff. So you have to give him the benefit of the doubt on that. When have we ever seen an out of control man with too much power who has a private army surrounding himself?
Starting point is 01:21:05 Go, go bad. Never. Never. Now, I will say, in order to just sort of pallet cleanse from that last clip. Yeah. When Alex says that when you're favored by God, you're also favored by the devil. Sure. I was waiting for him to say, it's what Mike Tyson.
Starting point is 01:21:22 said. Right. Because he's just taken that from a Mike Tyson meme. He loves Mike Tyson. Well, the Toad grants wisdom. I mean, I like Mike Tyson, I guess. I don't know. What do we do it?
Starting point is 01:21:34 I don't even know if he super likes Mike Tyson, but he really liked that meme. And he's been pulling from it a lot. You're right. That idea that when God favors you, the devil favors you, too, that is directly just something from a Twitter video that Alex saw of Mike Tyson. Yeah. You're right. There's no way he actually has listened to a thing or anything.
Starting point is 01:21:55 That's his headline. The headline is Mike Tyson said this thing. And it sounds wise. I like the way it feels. Yeah. So I was waiting for him to cite Mike Tyson because he is ripping him off. Right. And he doesn't in this case.
Starting point is 01:22:06 I got really disappointed. Uh-oh. Yeah. So anyway, Alex takes some calls. She wants to get the temperature of the audience. Probably great. Mm. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:16 So one guy, he's like, hey, if the Epstein Files got released, that might reveal a lot more than just child trafficking. There might be a lot of like Satan shit that we end up finding out. Yeah. And so Alex talks about that a little. But also, what if it's a lot scarier than, you know, just trafficking and pedophilia? What if this goes into, you know, black magic, ritualistic behavior and... Oh, let me tell you something.
Starting point is 01:22:44 Eyes Wide Shut isn't a movie. It's a documentary. You get in the upper echelons of money. you either got rich people that hide out and stay away from everybody and are freaked out I mean they're really rich people or you got rich people that are devil worshiping devil worshiping I mean I mean
Starting point is 01:23:00 hardcore luciferianism is is all over the place I've I've told the story I mean they're not making it up I've seen it folks okay and that's when I was a teenager so let me tell you it is bad I mean I've been in eyes wide shut stuff I've literally
Starting point is 01:23:18 gotten out of that stuff 13, 14, 15. I was like, God, I get to date the beauty queen. God, I'm 15 dating a college beauty queen. And I was like, another big mansion, another helicopter pad, and more another black magic ceremony. Golden Choward? And I was just like, God Almighty.
Starting point is 01:23:33 They were trying to recruit me, man. It's all over the place, bro. Like Pete? I believe it. Oh, I see it. I mean, I know it. But how deep does it go and how prolific is it? It's
Starting point is 01:23:47 Luciferian is in elite, rich circles, the Bible says, the devil controls the elite, the principalities, the powers of the air. I mean, I would say half the billionaires and their adjuncts in any elite area are doing sex rituals and black magic on a weekly basis. I mean, it's, there are as many satanic real churches, not the fake, you know, idiot ones you see, they're all idiots, but, you know, the little provincials. there are as many satanic ceremonies going on in a major city or in these elite rural areas
Starting point is 01:24:24 almost as much as there are church services going on one to one you hear what i saying yeah because this isn't like going down to the baptist church and hearing the preacher speaking singing some hymns there's sex whole nine yards so i guess that's what trump is now covering up right a network of super elite satan worship who have at least weekly services that involve sex and maybe human sacrifice. Yeah. This sounds like a giant problem. It feels like if I were to see that as my enemy and then do everything I could to defeat them.
Starting point is 01:25:02 And then later on, whenever it became convenient, I was like, no, we're best friends. And I control everything. That would make me the guy who's in charge of all of these satanic sex rituals. Now, if I'm in charge of a bunch of satanic sex rituals and I allow them to, to keep happening. That would suggest to me that I'm not very in touch with the Lord whatsoever. I'm kind of more on the let's do satanic rituals side. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:27 Yeah. And if Alex believes any of this stuff, it's kind of silly that he's doing a show. Like, this is not something, you clearly aren't going to be able to solve that kind of a problem through a radio show. Getting more awareness around this isn't going to work. You've got to go like vigilante. This is what bothers me about. these people is that they're taking this so
Starting point is 01:25:49 seriously but in the wrong way if black magic is a problem I will learn to do it yeah learn light magic yeah I want I want I'll prove somebody's not a witch by not learning how to do magic from that but that's the problem is
Starting point is 01:26:05 that Alex can do magic right he just can't he pretends that he can I will learn magic from Alex Jones if that is what I must do I will learn magic to prove that dark magic is real. I will do it. I will sacrifice my very soul. I will give it to the devil in order to prove that black magic is real. Right now, devil, boom! Go to Austin. I would. I will. There's probably
Starting point is 01:26:30 one there, or at least there's a Hitler. Yeah, I think Alex would take you on as a, like, I mean, he, you know, he's not selling all those knives. Those daggers aren't moving fast enough. So, like, you could use a little bit of a, like, give him a consulting fee or something. I would pay out the nose for black magic. Sure. Well, good luck. Yeah, thanks. So another caller brings up, hey, man, you know, like in child trafficking, the pageants play a role in that. And Alex does not want to pursue this.
Starting point is 01:27:01 Who might have anything to do with pageants? When it comes to stuff like the CIA being involved, they've done stuff with the Playboy models of the month, you know, getting them like to be like prostitutes for high level leaders of other countries. Oh, 100% That's what that all is Yeah, and then it ties into the beauty pageants And the beauty pageants go to the child pageants And that all ties into the chore and stuff Yeah, I got to say a lot of the parents involved in those
Starting point is 01:27:27 Are pimming their kids out I mean, I'd say a lot of them, it's sick All right, God bless you Chad and Malibu That's move along from that thought I love a good all right, God bless you Yeah, go bless you That is more valuable
Starting point is 01:27:43 than any of the explanations that he's had. If he was just like, ah, this P-T, all right, God bless you, we're just going to move on. Like, that'd be fine. I'd be like, yeah, you're right. All right, let's move on. Yeah, these people are pimping their kids and Trump owns multiple pageants.
Starting point is 01:28:00 All right. Let's get out of here. And I think if you were listening to the full vet call, I think you would strongly get the sense that this caller was trying to imply that. Right. He was trying to lead Alex to that, and that's why Alex gave him a God bless you and hung up. I like it.
Starting point is 01:28:18 Well done. Yeah. So a lot of the ability to pretend that everything is all right with Trump comes from a belief that Alex has that there's going to be the special counsel opened up. Right. Right, right, right. At least we got that to hang on to. That's a rung on the ladder. It's taken a lot of the heat off, a thousand pound gorilla off Alex's chest. Yep.
Starting point is 01:28:39 Uh-oh. Oh, no. News just broke it. It's not happening. Well, that probably won't. What a strange game. The only way to win is not to play. All right, I got some bad news for you.
Starting point is 01:28:50 And I understand why Trump's doing this. John Solomon's very credible, never lies. Two days ago, Trump tells him, oh, I'm doing a special prosecutor. I talk to DOJ people high up. They said, no, he wants one. But he doesn't want to put his destiny in somebody's hands. He's lost a lot of trust. He put Ed Martin in.
Starting point is 01:29:12 I've got 25 years. I mean, that guy is like as good as it gets, but Press Secretary Epstein case says no special prosecutor. And look, I'm completely honest with the listeners. People take it out of context. Go, Jones is selling how to do a cover-up.
Starting point is 01:29:32 No, I said, I don't think there should be a cover-up. There should be full transparency. But if Trump is going to cover it up, just say we're still investigating in slow-rope. it if he thinks it'll crash the economy the news is so bad or whatever but no he keeps saying don't talk about it which is the worst possible thing you do i mean that's why it's like the worst possible thing and i am just like beside myself and i was in a good mood today because it looked like to be a prosecutor and now trump's
Starting point is 01:30:02 decided not but he's vacillating so much who knows he made a point one tomorrow just put ed martin in for god's sakes and they got some plans of Democrat stuff. Expose it and use it against them. I know they do that. Stop running from their BS. When they planted child porn on me and we want to meet with you, we won't go public if you work with us. I went on there and attacked
Starting point is 01:30:24 within an hour. And they crap their britches. And the FBI gave me a letter saying I was the victim. Of course I was. When we found this child porn, you sent us, but we'll work with you. I was like, you, I was just, oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:30:41 Attack, attack, attack. attack never surrender here's uh levit well the idea was floated uh from someone in the media to the president the president would not recommend a special prosecutor in the epstein case that's how he feels and as for his discussions with the attorney general i'm not sure diana thank you oh yeah more flip-flopping my god they're doing so many 180s here i think i'm on a roller coaster at magic mountain that sounds bad um so i think when alec says that trump doesn't want to leave his destiny in someone else's hands, he's kind of saying that Trump doesn't want to be investigated because he knows he's dirty as hell.
Starting point is 01:31:19 Right. Right, right, right. But I, you feel, I mean, obviously Alex is a disgusting, big a piece of shit and I don't really have a whole lot of empathy for him, but you feel for a guy who really thinks for most of his shift, everything is going to be okay. I'm going to distract people with the pot farm bust and... It's going to be hard, but I'm going to get through it. Right.
Starting point is 01:31:41 Yep. Trump has given the talking points in that truth social post, and we're going to, you know, we're going to pretend that he's saving the children and all this immigration stuff. We're going to talk about the Democrats trying to steal Los Angeles with the fires. We're going to make it through. I'm going to get really anti-Semitic to try and appeal to a little bit newer of a crowd. Yep. But it's going to work. We're going to make it.
Starting point is 01:32:05 And then just at the end of the show, nah, we're not doing it. Nope. you know he was in a good mood you know sometimes when you make it through eating your big bowl of shit you think you know what that could have been worse now that i'm on the other side of it i'm actually kind of proud of myself for having finished well and there's there's good news too there's dessert absolutely and that but then man whenever you find out you're not done eating shit that's when it really hurts yeah because that's dessert because you were you were done you know It sucked every second of it.
Starting point is 01:32:41 Tasted bad. It was awful. And then, oh, you're never done. No. Nope. And you opted into this. Yep. Like, you didn't have to, for, like, we're on July 17th.
Starting point is 01:32:52 This is 10 days after that FBI memo has come out. After Alex has gone back and forth, whether Trump's got a demon inside him or whatever. Yeah. He doesn't need to do this. He could have jumped off this. The only reason that he has to. to keep eating that bowl of shit is because he's decided
Starting point is 01:33:12 I'll get through this bowl of shit. Yeah. No, stop eating that shit. Yeah. I mean, what is, like, what is the point of him? You know, like, the point of him was, I tell the truth, no matter what.
Starting point is 01:33:26 And what matters is that he just said a thing, no matter what, right? Whether it was true or not is unimportant. He said it true like it was. Now he's not even doing that. Now he's even like, well, maybe it's true, maybe it's not true. Here's what they should do to handle it. Like your job, your function is just true, false.
Starting point is 01:33:49 That's it. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that, you know, for better or worse, in the first Trump administration, there was a message discipline among conspiracy theorists. There was an ability to be like, it's the fucking deep state. Yep. Everything is the deep state's problem.
Starting point is 01:34:07 deep state. And maybe you can do like, you know, maybe you're a little bit more Qanani and maybe you're a little more Pchenicky, maybe you're a little more Alexey. There's different flavors of it. But there was a united front for the most part that was kept up. Right. And when Trump lost in 2020, that allowed that united front to remain together a bit as well because they needed to get back into power.
Starting point is 01:34:32 Right. And they'd been wronged by the deep state. Right. And then COVID, you know, that allowed for. a lot of, like, hey, let's look past some of these differences. We got tyranny on our hands here. Sure. And now Trump's reelected.
Starting point is 01:34:45 He's back in power. He's taken over pretty much every aspect of the government. Yep. And there is no message discipline. There is no, like, there's no unity among the conspiracy theorists. They're starting to argue with each other. Propagandists are jockeying for position with each other in a way that didn't happen as much. previously and they're they're well i mean the difference is he couldn't do as much like the difference
Starting point is 01:35:15 was that trump was impeached immediately for illegally winning so they had that to rally around you know it doesn't matter if trump the president does anything the democrats are trying to defeat him and then there were enough legislative democrats and yada yada yada and enough pushback that maybe we could like curb some stuff and so what the democrats and the people were actually doing is making Trump palatable. They were cutting off the rough edges of his terrible ideas and making something that actually functions at the very least. And now there's nothing stopping them.
Starting point is 01:35:48 And the problem with that is that they are fucking stupid. The only thing that kept these people going was that there were competent people making their shit work, basically. And now those competent people are gone. There are competent people trying to have an argument with Trump on a competent level. Yep. In the same way that Bass is trying to treat him like an adult or a child in that press conference, that makes him appear like he's having an argument on a level of what is actually in the interests of helping these people that have been ravaged by this fire. Yep.
Starting point is 01:36:22 When in reality, that's not the planet he's even living on. No, no, the only thing to say is I would like you to please get out of this room. Thank you. Like, that's her only, her only option is I can't do this with you here. So either you do it or I'll do it. There can be no coexistence here. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:39 It's a and and the one between that favor that Trump's opposition was doing him and the ability to just point at everything and be like, ha ha, deep state. Yep. Those things don't appear as potent anymore. And Alex is in like there's real trouble. He has to, he has to decide what his identity is. I mean, when there's nobody else to. blame, that's when you realize that's the only thing that was keeping you guys
Starting point is 01:37:07 together. There's the only person to blame for this is Trump. So either you blame the one person that you have spent the last forever trying to avoid blaming for anything or you make up some bullshit. Yeah. Or you try to cater to the people who are like, no, it's the Jews. And that seems like what Alex
Starting point is 01:37:25 is far more interested in. Yeah. Than getting right about the Trump shit. Yeah. So I will see what happens as this progresses, we'll see, you know, I think that Alex is in a really, really bad situation with Trump taking over D.C. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:37:43 I feel like martial law, police state guy is going to have a really, really hard time with that one. Yeah. But we'll see. We'll see. No. No, the president just has a military force patrolling the streets near him. Hey, home rule, man. That's no big deal. Yeah, that's fine. If he can deal with Trump saying,
Starting point is 01:38:03 that people who care about Epstein are stupid, then, I mean, I, it knows no bounds. Yeah, why not? So we'll see where this goes, but until then, we have a website. Indeed, we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm DZX. Clark.
Starting point is 01:38:16 I am the mysterious professor. Who, yeah, woo, yeah, woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
Starting point is 01:38:31 I love you.

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