Knowledge Fight - #1067: July 30, 2025

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan watch Alex desperately beg a youthful antisemite to say it's okay to still love Trump, despite his clear mishandling of the Epstein issue.

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Knowledgefight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Hey, welcome I'm acknowledged. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Sleen, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan.

Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today is actually kind of a dark spot-ish. Maybe, I don't know. This Popeye thing was a big mistake. Oh, no. It's bad. It's bad?

Bad stuff. How bad? I've watched one. I've had time to watch one of them. I've watched Popeye's revenge. Sure. And it does not follow any of the mythology of Popeye. That's not hard to believe, but okay.

We start off the movie. And first problem, it's in the UK. This doesn't make sense to me. No. This seems very wrong. Yeah, everyone's got British accents. That's a terrible idea. Yeah, very.

You've already failed. That didn't feel great. Right. Because also he's like Popeye's in the Navy. He's a sailor man. The Navy. Yeah. So he's a kid who has giant arms.

Right. And then he's like, he kills someone at school, and then the town kills him. They're like, oh, Frankenstein, pitchforks. Okay. They come after him and they try to kill him. Okay, okay. So the kid has monster forearms, tennis arms, right? Smashes somebody.

And then the village is like, uh, he doesn't know his strength. Of course not. He's just a Frankenstein's monster. Yeah, they're okay. I got you. Yep. So then he comes back as a ghost. Yeah, his parents locked him in a basement.

And he has a sister named Olive Oil. He was also locked in the basement. That's no good. And then the town kills them. And then he comes back for revenge. Sure. On these people who have done... I mean, yeah, no, I, whatever.

You got to do something with your life. It's fucking dumb. But I was watching it, and I was like, all right, I got a checklist. Yeah. Got to have a pipe. Sure. No pipe? There's a pipe.

Okay. He has a pipe. Okay. I'm like, check. Okay. Corn cop? No. There is a can of spinach that makes a...

brief appearance. Right. But he doesn't have to eat spinach in order to be strong. So that sucks. So they're showing the spinach for the real Popeye heads in there. It's like a, it's like an Easter egg for the people who know the Popeye story. One of the kills involves him like throwing a canister through a window and it's a spinach can. Right, right, right, right.

Like it's a gas can or something like that, but it's spinach. Fucking stupid. He doesn't say any, any, like, I am what I am. No, or any of that's, yaggagg, gug. Nothing like that? Nope. Oh, boy. And there's no, there's no Brutus.

There's no wimpy. There's not, it's, uh, it's, uh, if all of oil was forced. Yeah. As a sister, not a love interest. Because that's kind of the idea is that she's a love interest, but, you know, in that 40s way. Yeah. And I thought, I thought like, well, this is going to be fun. It wasn't.

It wasn't fun. No. No. But I think I still watch the other ones. I think I still am going to, but I, I regret. Are they separate or is this the ongoing tale of Popeye the British non-sailer boy? These are, they're all separate. Okay.

And I think that is what makes me interested in it. The anthology nature of this character being put in a bunch of different situations? Well, no, I think I, okay, so all of them are going for a cheap pop. Sure. Right? They're all, like, it's legal to make a movie with Popeye. That's what we're doing. So all of them are doing that.

Yes. And they're hoping that this shit will just coast on the fact that it's like, it's a horror movie with Popeye and it. You didn't see that coming? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 100%. Except, like, they're not the only ones doing it. Right.

Like, you know, if there were four different Shark Nato movies at the same time, you would have to judge them against each other. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That is the one thing about copyright IP is that it's like, there's at least one person or at least one vision behind. this thing as opposed to being a bunch of people creating their own visions to fight in a death match yeah yeah and that but but more to the point like if there was one person who was stealing this IP and getting away with it then they they could just be like well it's the pop-eye

horror movie sure sure sure sure there's a bunch of them yeah now it's like well you might not be as good at ripping this off as someone else that's that would be a real or it would be a hit to the ego if you weren't already doing something that should be a hit to the ego, right? Mm-hmm. You know, like, by virtue of making a Popeye book, like, oh, shit, it's in the public domain. I got to make it! I got to make it! It's kind of like, well, I'm not creating my own characters.

No. And it's British. And he's not in the Marines or in the Navy. Yeah. I mean, it's called the Navy. It's not called the Royal Navy. Yeah. Popai would not be, he's not British.

Yeah. Yeah. We know one thing He's not British No He's not on the HMS fucking anything He does not respect the queen

No no one should So it's your bright spot My bright spot I'm gonna have to go with tennis Oh boy No the Cincinnati Open's been weird There's a Cincinnati open The yeah the Western and Southern Open

That feels such a downgrade From some of the other open Do you mean like Monte Carlo or Madrid Or any number of other fun. Sincey. But I'll tell you this, I went there for one year.

And it's a lot of fun. I got to see Serena. I got to see Federer. It's really cool. It is, of course, tennis and Cincinnati, Ohio. So you get what you get. Sure. Cincinnati doesn't suck.

It's not like a terrible city or anything. No, but it's not Madrid. What are you talking? Come on. I even like Cincinnati, but not like Madrid. Yeah. tennis to me seems like something I associate with some kind of like pretty rich locale. Sure.

sure that's why it's weird right um but yeah no it's great and then this tournament has been a real kind of weird one the heat is making everybody die naturally uh tennis has got a long future ahead of us for about five years until climate change ends it forever it'll all be indoors all be endorsed yeah um but yeah and then in the final though we're getting alcoraz and center and it's happening again it's gonna happen over and over and over it's the two of them versus everyone else in the world how long it's does that stay interesting for you? Forever. Yeah. Djokovic and Rafa played like 50 times. And the two of them playing was always going to be one of the most amazing things. Because it is only ever possible to play as good as the person you're playing against. You know, like if you want to play the best, you have to have a partner who can equal you.

Yeah. And so every time they have to try and equal each other. And in so doing, they have to create something that hasn't been there. before. Right. It's just fantastical. True rivalries. Yeah.

You can see them a hundred times. It doesn't matter. Absolutely. Because you're not, you're like, this person made this great shot in another match, and that's cool. But in these matches, this person made this great shot, and then this person got it back. And so they have to then up their game even more in order to make that next shot. Yeah.

Right. And so that's the level that you'll never going to see against anybody else. That second, oh, it's great. Yep, I can do it all the time. What is Cincinnati, is that like one of the top tier? It's an ATP,000, yeah. Like, how many are in that tier? I think somewhere in like 10 to 15 range.

Wow. So there's the, there's two 50s. Those are the lowest levels of, or still professional tour. Below that is the Challenger level. That's where you're not in the actual cool kids table yet. That's where it's like CT. Yeah. You got to get your points up to get in there.

Yeah, basically. Playing against... Turbos right there, yeah, yeah. Then there's 500s, and then there's a thousands, and then right above that is the majors. So, yeah, it's pretty cool. 10 to 15, so there's like Madrid. There's like Monte Carlo, Cincinnati, DeKalb. It might be more like six or seven, but it could be.

I don't know. I'm having a weird... I don't even know how many months there are in the year anymore. I think eight. Oh, shit. So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. All right. We're going to be taking a little bit of a jump from where we were.

And because we have, the world is in such a place that we cannot dwell forever in Alex's back and forthness on Epstein, although as much fun as it would be to see him try and waffle around and figure out how to play every single breaking ball. For weeks. We are jumping to July 30th. All right. And this is a monumental day where Alex has a debate. And we'll check in on that here in a second.

Does chat GPT have a new model out that we're debating? I wish. That would be amazing. Chat GPT, should I leave Trump? Does he love me? Yes. And no. Chat GPT, what is love?

So we'll get down to this, but first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new Wong's. That's a great idea. So first, M-R-Splat, Mark, R.J. Some call it globalism. I call it Slingblade. Thank you so much. You're a now, a policy wonk.

I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy won't. Thank you very much.

Thank you. And Foxel, as in pixel or voxel, not like the Spanish he the, the, thank you so much. You're now a policy won. I'm a policy won't. Thank you very much. And we get a technical right in the mixture. So thank you so much. You, J-Dog, Big D.

Thank you so much, you're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four start. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark, binks, has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser, little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you very much. So last we left off, Alex was he'd made it pretty, clear that there wasn't really much that was going to shake him from supporting Trump. Doesn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Can't. Going to give him an F, though, whenever he needs it, although that F will have no consequences

or meaning whatsoever to it. Nope. He's going to get a participation trophy for presidenting. 100% of the time. And that's good enough, and that's criticism. So we experienced a good 10 days of Alex trying to figure out what he was going to do, how he's going to thread this needle. Trump called him stupid.

Yep. Trump called everyone who is, I don't want your support anymore, you fucking idiots who care about Epstein. And Alex was able to get past that. So it seems like, uh, just a little blow up, just a little dust up, you know. Yeah, he was a little mad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So since this point, uh, things have deteriorated even more.

I can't believe that. Um, we have such things happening as, uh, Galane Maxwell is talking with the, Department of Justice. Sure. She's been transferred to a minimum security prison. Well, she's a good person. Against the wishes of Epstein victims' families. There were no victims' families, I believe, if I recall the FBI correctly.

It's, well, I don't know if they said there were no victims, but there was no actionable things for them to do or something like that. But either way, she is dangerously close to a pardon. Oh, yeah. And that's pretty tough. Simultaneously, Trump has come out and said that he stopped hanging out with Epstein because he stole Virginia Giffray from him. Yep. He phrased it incredibly poorly. No, it was great. That's what you want to hear from the sitting president.

Yeah. He phrased it in a way that her family was a bit shocked and dismayed by the idea that the president was aware that their child was stolen. Yep. So everything's bad. Alex is trying to stay above water, and there is one person who's delighting in all of this, and that is the person that Alex has unfortunately made too good of friends with. Oh, God, it's Fuentes, isn't it?

Oh, it is. Oh, my God. So on the 30th in the evening, Alex sits down for a special debate with Nick about, what do we do? What do we do? Actually, you know what? That's a fair debate.

I would actually be way more fine with more debates if they were just like, what the fuck is happening? Yeah. Yeah. So Alex has a situation where Nick has this fuck Trump attitude. Yeah. Alex kind of wishes he could get there. Sure.

But also can't. So the two of them are going to have a little conversation where they hash out all the beats. of what to do. This is the most Nazi version of it's fine to be a punk whenever you're young but I have kids at home to feed

so I can't do all of this stuff but also you're Nazis. Yeah. And also I really want to do all that punk stuff. I really want to be a cooler Nazi. Oh, also I forgot the other thing that has happened is that the Wall Street Journal published

letter that Trump allegedly wrote to Epstein which, was a little drawing of a naked lady. Yep. And the pubes were his signature. Yep.

Yep. Yep. Yep. And did you actually read the contents of that note? I did not read the contents of that note. You didn't? No. Listen, what am I going to do with it?

I'm already sold. Like, once you've sold me, you can stop selling me. I was way past Trump was a pedophile a long time ago. There's no amount of words that are going to make that even better or worse. Okay. So I'm going to read this too. Okay. Fine.

Because I think you need to confront this. All right, fine. So it's written as a dialogue. The note. The note. That was for Epstein's 50th birthday. The note written by the president for the Epstein. We have to say allegedly because he did sue the Wall Street Journal for publishing this.

Oh, God. So. All right. Let's do it. Voice over. There must be more to life than having any, everything. Donald, yes, there is, but I won't tell you what it is. Jeffrey, nor will I, since I also know what it is.

Donald, we have certain things in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, yes, we do, come to think of it. Donald, enigma's never age. Have you noticed that? Jeffrey, as a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you. Donald, a pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may every day be another wonderful secret. So, yeah, it's a little suspicious.

That is... It's, okay. Weird. That is a note that could only be written by somebody who is a fictional globalist in Alex Jones's worldview 20 years ago. That note doesn't exist in the real world. So I assume that we have been transported into some sort of last action hero version of reality where everything is an amplified version because that cannot be real.

it's one of the weirder things that's ever ever been published and they they've stood by their they're reporting of course they have what else are you going to do yeah look at it and so you know if real that's one of the most fucked up things it's it's all the more believable because of how bad and stupid it is you would have to be an insane person to write that you couldn't fake it because that's in that's that's so specifically insane yeah You cannot fake that. I couldn't, if I had a million monkeys writing, a million typewriters, we'd get to Shakespeare, but not that shit. That's crazy. Yeah. No. People have said that, you know, there's some great scripts out there that have been written. Yeah.

They capture something. Yeah, this is very Czechovian, I would say. Impossible. Yeah. So, Alex is, you know, these are the things that are swirling in the background. Right. That people are talking about, and Alex is like, ah, fuck. Ah, shit.

So why not have a little baby Nazi come in to look right? So Alex starts off, and the position that he's coming into this with is like, eh, juries out on Trump. I don't know about it. 23, four days ago, Trump put out that Justice Department memo. I said Trump's behind it. People said, oh, you're attacking Trump. And then he came out later and said, no, it's me.

Don't ask questions. Shut up about it. I said, this is incredibly suspicious. and now they're running around with the Justice Department meeting with Gisland Maxwell. It looks bad. But people take them

when I've said out of context when I'm wargaming this because I think they would have used information against Trump if they had it before. But that's said now, the jury's out on Trump, the jury's in on the Democrats,

and Epstein Island and Bill Gates and Larry Summers and all the rest of it. So I'm not an apologist for Trump. All I get is persecuted and attacked for supporting President Trump. And I've seen clips of Nick. I played it earlier before he came on. And I'm not saying it's a wrong critique, but out of context, you could see it.

No, I'm looking for the truth. And my issue is, do we throw out Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Tulsi Cabr and all the good things that are happening? If stuff comes out that he's screwing kids with Trump, of course, I'm going to expose it. I mean, I'm not tied to that wagon, but in the larger issue, is the Epstein issue the only issue? And it's not like Nick Fuentes just came out and said, I'm against Trump now. He said it a year and a half ago. He was a big supporter early on. It's how I met him nine years ago.

I think Nick's a smart guy and agree with most of the things he says. It's a group of something. So we are having a large discussion. You call it a debate here. But I want to be 100% clear. I will go where the facts lead. I'm not an apologist for Trump. But at the same time, we need to recognize that the Democrats and the ADL and the Republicans joining him do not want this discussion.

They do not want Nick J. Fuentes on Rumble. They do not want Alex Jones on X or Info Wars. They do not like this tonight because they don't want you to hear a real unfiltered discussion. So the fact of the matter is that, you know, Alex can say he's not an apologist for Trump. but the framing of this conversation in and of itself is apologetic to Trump. He fundamentally can't get away from this like, do we, the conversation is do we give Trump a pass? Right. Do we allow him to hold on to power because it's better for us, even though this very obvious shit is disqualified?

Right. Craven, no Craven. Which side are you on? Yeah. Yeah, and that to, like, is, there is no option within there that is, like, let's deal with this as it is. I mean, it is, it's one of the more annoying things that I think people of Alex's ilk do of the, like, I am not this guy. But for the time being, in this situation, I'm going to be this guy. But I want you to know that that doesn't make me that guy.

It just means that so long as we are in this situation, the situation, the situation. that if I were that guy, this guy would be doing what I'm doing. Thus, I would be that guy in this situation, but I'm not that guy. Yeah. And I'm only being that guy in a war gaming context. Yeah. Now, if it works, I'm going to keep being that guy. I mean, I'm going to keep being that guy, but that's only because it works.

Right. Right. Now, if it doesn't work, I'm going to disown that position and claim I was just war gaming. He's never that guy. What are you doing? Crazy? Right. Come on.

It's so manipulative and shitty. Yep, yep, yep. So Nick comes on, and he has an indebted. entirely different position from Alex. Alex is like, we need to have a discussion. Do we throw Trump out with the bathwater? And Nick's like, why are we even talking about this? Nothing matters if Trump is doing this.

Now, that gets to my biggest criticism of Trump. And you know, you said this a moment ago, and I understand where you're coming from. You say, are there other issues besides the Epstein issue? I've heard a lot of people say this. They say that for the MAGA base, which I consider myself a part of, even though I didn't vote for Trump, I'm the demographic. If the MAGA base is in revolt over the Epstein files, people say, are you throwing out the baby with the bathwater? What about the secure border?

What about the progress that's being made, as you say, by RFK Jr., by Tulsi Gabbard, the good things that are happening at the administration? Is it worth it? In other words, people say, if he's failing on one narrow issue like Epstein, which people say realistically doesn't actually affect people's daily lives, they say, that a mistake? Now my position is that you can't compartmentalize these issues. Contrary to that take or that defense, I don't think you're capable. I don't think it's possible to separate and cord and off the Epstein issue and say that's over here. And immigration and foreign policy and the rest of it is over there. Because the proposition of the first Trump campaign going back 10 years ago in 2016 or even in 2015 when Trump ran in the primary, he said that the reason that the reason that

our politicians had failed us over 30 years on both sides, Republican side, Democrat side, the right and the left. He said it's not for a lack of trying, not for a lack of will. He said it's because the system has failed us. It's because of corruption. They can't deliver a real victory because they're not beholden to the people. Instead, they're beholden to foreign interests, special interests, donors, political packs. And there was a suggestion of blackmail. There's a suggestion of a shadow operation happening behind the scenes. So Nick is basically explaining to Alex why, like, hey, this is why this issue is supposed to matter to us.

There is the emotional, visceral disgust at these crimes. Yes, that's absolutely true. Sure. But then there's also the whole thing that we've built up that is, if this system exists, it's being used to control and manipulate power. Right. And now Trump has signaled that he is fine with being a part of that or covering that up. Right.

We were having a great time whenever we thought that it was fun to just talk about stuff like this happening. Now this is happening and it's our guy. So it makes us feel real fucking dumb. Yeah. Real dumb. And that's where Nick has this freedom of like he's not my guy. Nope. I want somebody way worse than him.

Yep. I have always wanted someone way worse than him. This guy is too fucking flip. floppy to be Hitler. Hitler didn't change his mind. Final solution. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And so I think that this is a really tough position for Alex to try and deal with because he's cutting to the core of like, what does the Epstein situation mean? Yeah. What is what is the importance of this? And Trump's acting in a way that is violating why we care. Yeah. As opposed to it just being a superficial thing. Yeah. And because of that you can't just cordon it off and be like he's bad here he's good here it's all bad yeah

no it's it's it's it's already in more interesting out the gate simply because in general most of these debates and most all debates in general wind up with two people talking about a thing but never actually addressing the thing and then going off in different areas so they don't actually have to address the thing this is very clearly like there's only one thing either this is or is it we've we've run out of everything else so now let's try reality yeah yeah and it sucks that this like nazi asshole is the person who's being that voice on alex's show um but that's the position that alex has put himself in yep uh where he has to look like a real idiot yeah next to a horrible person it is not because of nick fuentes's positive traits that this is happening it

is entirely because of Alex's negative traits that this is occurring. Yeah. There is no need to worry about giving it up to the Somali pirates in this regard. Yeah. We're fine. It's a bind that is kind of a necessary or inevitable thing with this kind of media space. Yeah. Yep.

So Nick, one of the other things, too, is that he is not uncomfortable with taking Alex's points. Sure. Whereas I don't think it works the other direction. So, like, Alex's only real argument for keeping Trump and looking past the Epstein stuff is, like, all of the other stuff that's happening, you know, like border stuff. Sure. And Nick is fine being like, no, that stuff's not good. To answer maybe the big defense of Trump, and I agree with you, we have to steal man the other position. We may not even agree with it.

We might state it simply to entertain it. if the pro-Trump side is saying, if their argument is, well, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The Epstein thing is a narrow, singular issue. If that's the primary defense, I would have to say it's not good enough because if he's named in these files, then everything is compromised. Everything is touched and poisoned by the corruption. And when this cover-up is going on, unfortunately, we cannot assume that he is not touched by it. We actually have to draw a negative inference. That's sort of the whole point. And I like you, I actually don't believe that Trump is necessarily guilty. I think that is a assumption. I think that's an inference. I don't even

think it's necessarily true that Trump was on the island or that Trump was raping kids or that there's a videotape of Trump. I don't think that's even likely. But when he has covered it up in the way that he has and as he's dug this hole deeper and deeper, having the DOJ cover it up, asking the to look for his name. They told him his name was in there. Now he says his name was planted in there. He says the whole thing's a hoax. You actually have to draw a negative inference and assume if he's covering it up, there must be something there. If there wasn't something there, they would release the files. And so that's why I think this entire thing has disqualified him completely. I don't think it's one narrow issue, a singular issue among others. And even if it were, it's not a minimal issue.

I think it touches everything. So, I mean, there's almost just a sense of, like, don't be stupid that he's... Yeah. And not in so few words, but that's kind of like a, why the fuck would this be happening if we, you know, a negative inference is required at this point. Yeah, he called you stupid. You are stupid. You are stupid because he called you that and now you're behaving that way. There's no other way to describe it.

So I feel like he's, Nick's already essentially dispensed with... the best weapons that Alex has which is like the don't throw the baby out with the bath water we're getting some good things RFK's good homin's good if it weren't for them it could be somebody worse yada yada yada yada right we've already been there and Nick has essentially disarmed

all that we've been doing this for 20 years we're past it and now Nick goes on the offensive even just in his opening like volley and is just like and also Trump sucks and to your point about what comes next Because that's a very good question.

A lot of people wonder if Trump is failing, or that's the perception on many of these issues, like the foreign policy, like immigration, like the Epstein cover up. Question is, well, what comes next? Are we at the mercy of the left now? Are we supposed to now just be buried under Zoran Mondanis and Kamala Harris's and race communists and sharia law and this sort of thing? What I would say about Trump is this simple adage, when you come at the king, you can't miss. And what does that mean? Obviously, we all understand what that means.

It means that when you come for the king, you have to finish the job. You cannot take half measures. It's actually worse to take a half measure, because if you come at the king and you miss, all you do is make the king mad. And the king has an army, and the king has power. So if Trump, and when I say the king, of course I'm not even referring to Trump, I'm referring to this left-wing political system. Is that it? If Trump has been coming at the king for 10. years with the 16 campaign, with January 6th, with the revenge campaign in 24, if that is a 10-year

campaign going after the king and he's missing over and over, failing to purge the bureaucracy, failing to implement Project 2025, failing to fire 50,000 employees, have the mass deportations, if it's this slow, if it's so unambitious, if he's already compromising and walking back and people having to come up with defenses for it, well, what do we do? all we're doing is pissing off the people that really run the world and if you miss they get the next reply and they're going to come after all of us hard trump you me the supporters the people in the administration we learned that the hard way after january 6th so now nick is put alex in a position where he needs to be like well the deportations are good enough or something

Alex has to play that like, well, it's good enough. And Nick can be like, no, it's not. Yeah. Trump is ineffective. He is not doing the things that we all wanted him to do. Yeah. And that puts Alex in just a fundamentally weak position. Yeah.

No, this is fascinating. I find this very fascinating because, first off, what Nick Fuentes has described is a fiction that I would never have imagined. Like the complete rewriting of who Trump is, fun. like that's crazy if you think if you think any of those things were ever happening that's crazy like this is crazy do you believe like i'm wondering if he actually campaign yeah i wonder if he actually believes any of what he's saying or if he's trying to say the things that he think alex's Alex believes and that way we can have a communication in there like i'm going to step into your world i think it's a little bit of that yeah and then i think it's also a little bit of

sort of authoritarian myth building. Right. You know, like Trump has waged this campaign and even that wasn't good enough. And so therefore, we must have Hitler. It's like, man, what a fucking lunatic. If you see the world with that point of view, that I'm flabbergasted. That's what the word flabbergasted was invented for. Finding a worldview like that where in Donald Trump has been.

been crusading on your behalf? Well, I think it's probably the most effective way that someone in Nick's position can use Trump now. Yeah, I would say so, yeah, as a crusader, sure. Yeah, and as a failed sort of, like, extreme-ish option, but not nearly extreme enough. And it's also a way, like you're saying, to bridge the gap between people who are Trump fans and get them to lean a little bit closer to, you know, what Nick is. offering it's it is kind of like a a way to not humiliate the people you want to recruit right

you know right i mean it's just it's just so wild because i get what he say but like you understand that he he was in the yeah so the two of these dudes could not come off different more different yeah yeah uh nick seems like a sharp guy who's willing to confront uh difficult questions head-on. He's ready for blood. And Alex sounds kind of like an old drunk. And for the purpose of this debate or conversation, we can dispense with the rhetoric and just speak in practical terms.

Where do we go from here? Because like you said, we're very short on answers and it's left us with a lot of questions. So that's sort of where I'm now. Powerful 10 minutes, Nick. And I agree with everything you said. So I'm in full heart. They will indict me for sure if they get back in. I want Trump to be successful.

and then I watch him 24 days ago literally come out and say through that memo, don't investigate, he killed himself. It wasn't even trafficking, though, his co-conspirators in jail for it. And then they said, I got attacked by all the MAGA influencers saying you're a traitor, and then Trump came two days later. Yeah, I'm behind it, shut it down.

So I'm in full horror mode. Let me ask you this question. So I'm not going to spend 10 minutes countering back here. everyone here you have to say how could Trump even he was raping kids which he said there's some evidence of that it's obviously the CIA Mossadis made a deal that's what I've been told by the White House

are like hey we had to make a deal with national security I'm just telling you folks that's what it is at least that's what they told me that makes sense why then would they bring attention to it and behave like this well he's 79 he is been in nine years basically as the

president. I couldn't handle this of 51. And the truth is, is that Trump doesn't give up. He doesn't break down, but he cracks up. Okay. So this is kind of apology for Trump, you know, like this is kind of apologism. Do you mean like whenever you say, ah, he, I accuse this man of doing this thing. And then I say, I'm sorry. He is sometimes very stubborn. I'm sorry. He's very old. I'm sorry. I understand that your criticisms are accurate. I am apologizing on his behalf, giving you an excuse or reason that does not actually address your criticism whatsoever. Yeah, and leads you away from the obvious conclusion that Nick is clearly pointing at. Yeah, that does seem like what an apologist would do. Yeah. And I think that there's such a vibe here.

I don't know if Alex and his old buddy Tito have reunited or if it's just in the evening and Alex is tired. could be uh i'm not i'm not totally sure but the the vibe that you get is nick being like let's cut through the rhetoric no bullshit yeah we'll just talk about what we can do uh moving forward for the uh authoritarian fascist movement that we obviously both support right uh and alex is like how can trump do this to me right he sounds like yeah guy who's been broken up with who's drunk yeah trying to commiserate with nick about like why didn't trump love me enough it is it is it is literally just sitting here being like, listen, Yeller's going out back.

But, oh, I love Old Yell, he's so good. He's, he's not even feeling good. He's not feeling good. We have to do the right thing. I'm taking Yeller out back. Oh, come on. You don't want to take him out back. But it sucks when it's the kid convincing the dad.

I know, I know. Like, this is drunk dad being like, nah, it's fine. Yeah, the story's supposed to go the other way. You very much so. So Nick talks about this. that Alex has made, this cracking up. Yes. And I think it's fascinating this framework.

If Trump is failing us, if he's failing as a guy, and I agree with you, there's some sympathy with it. You don't say it to be mean. You don't say it even necessarily to be critical, but just descriptively, this is an old man. He has been fighting for a long time. He is tired. And you can see that he can't handle it.

You can see that it is a crackup, that he cannot handle these questions. Take him out back. You watch these press conferences, these interviews, it's extraordinary the way he keeps digging, the way he gets asked about it and puts his foot in his mouth with this sort of, oh, well, we need to just stop thinking about that and it's a Democrat hoax. And you say, how is it even possible that he's fumbling to this hard? So much so that people are saying maybe it's calculated because it is not possible to mess it up this bad. See, this is why I find this really interesting is like, why is he fumbling this so bent? Why does he keep digging his heels in? Yeah.

he this is what Trump does with everything every single thing what are you fucking talking about since he's appeared in life yeah this is him yeah there is no cracking up there's not like this isn't different in any way the only thing that's different is he has found one issue that this media space does not want to go along with yep all the other times every other example that they can come up with of like times when like that Trump didn't act like this he was he he he he He acted the same way about Russia, about Stormy Daniels, about all of these other things. It's just that the- You guys thought it was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You wanted to play. You don't want to play this time.

Right. It was a lot of fun whenever he was making fun of a journalist with physical ailments. But it's not fun now whenever he's making us feel like we're complicit in the raping of children. Right. Well, that's no fun. Yep. Yeah. So there's like an inability to recognize that like this is what this guy does.

is in line with his past behavior. Well, I mean, if you acknowledge it for one second, that this is his MO, then it works retroactively. Then you have to go back and go, oh, fuck, fuck, I'm an idiot. Yeah. So, you know, it unravels a ton. And it's more convenient to just be like, you know, it's ironic because Nick is saying, you know, like, you can't compartmentalize this.

Yeah. You know, if Trump's covering this up, it touches all of these. other things. Yeah. And meanwhile, he's trying to compartmentalize this in terms of like Trump's response being somehow different here. I mean, any time you get to the place where somebody says something along the lines of like, it has to be calculated because there's no way somebody could do this.

It is them actually saying this. If they're smart, I'm smart. If they're dumb, I'm dumb. And I don't want to be dumb. No. So they have to be smart. Yeah. So this dumb thing can't be dumb.

Otherwise, I'm dumb. Yeah. Yeah. So Nick has a position that I think Alex doesn't like to hear. And that is that there's no way to fix this with personnel changes. Can we get a new running back? Yeah. You're not going to be able to get anything because, like, it's basically exactly what we wanted, and it still sucks.

And he's totally exuberant, has this, like, God complex situation. And so we're kind of strapped in for the next three years. And, you know, I would say eight years ago, what I would have said, what is our course of action? I would have said, we have to fight for the personnel. We got to get a new chief of staff. We got to get Susie Wiles out. We got to get control of the White House, rest control of it from the bad personnel, get the good advisors in. You know, but we did that already.

And even now, I don't think it's possible. I think that this is just how it's been the entire time. And, you know, Trump, if he knows, he knows how to get in touch with. you. He knows how to get in touch with all these people that are critical. He won't do it. You know, and by the way, the people that are at the FBI, it's Cash Patel, it's Dan Bongino, it's Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. Elon Musk was on the team. So you would say, who would he call to get him out of the mess? Who would be the dream team personnel that could steer the ship away from the rocks? Well, they're already kind of there. I mean, what could we have better? You know,

if we're thinking about MAGA personnel that you could plug in that could solve the problem that represents the base, could you do much better than Cash Patel and Dan Bongino? Could you do much better than Vivek? And not to say that these are the best people ever, but these are pretty MAGA people. These are pretty outside the system people to bring in. And so you wonder if they can't. And I'm going to, like, I just have to say this, I got a bunch of calls the last three weeks. And the calls go like this, what do you want?

and I've never asked for anything. What I want is a good policy. I always want to be the outsider. And I'm just like, what do I, what do I want? Heads. We want heads. I want making America ready again. I want America first. So there's a real understanding of this administration that we're it, we're in charge,

this is the way it is, and the fact that I get these calls, like the top of the administration, and they're just cut and drive. What do you want? And I'm just like, uh-huh, uh-huh. If you're Nick, you're just got to be sitting there like, sure you do, Ben. What is, what is happening? Sure, sure.

Go to bed. I, oh, my God. All right. So what are we doing now? I was telling you about something, but now you're just. Nick was making a very good point that is like, who are you going to replace with someone better or someone weirder? Right.

It's impossible. You've already got all of these fucking people who have been in these places. Right. And Alex is like, the White House does call me. None of it is real. The White House calls me and they say, what do you want? And the implication of the White House calling him and saying, what do you want? Yeah.

Is kind of like they're saying, hey. What's it going to take to shut you up? Right. Yep. Thus making a quiet backroom deal with the media. It feels corrupt. In order to obtain positive coverage in spite of reality. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like that is actually worse. That makes things look worse. It doesn't make things look good, no. Yeah. So Alex is like, he's in a position where he's like, I got to run. Yeah, yeah, that's an acceptable response. I'll take that.

I got to run away. I'll take it. South America's calling. Yes, go. He's negotiating with Russia and China and North Korea and Iran. And just a week ago had a meeting with Zelensky and said, maybe we'll give you heavy bombs to bomb Moscow. And now they may overthrow Zelensky.

So you get this idea that it's like this swirling crazy town. And you have last week the CIA director at that meeting they had, that cabinet meeting. And Ratcliffe literally leans back and goes, like, dres like demoning out in the meeting and I'm like, and I'm just like, I'm like literally looking at places to run to in the Southern Hemisphere for nuclear war.

And I'm not the tiny guy that runs. My instincts are run, run, run. And the Democrats want to defeat Trump, and the Democrats want to rape our kids, and I know they're bad, and then you've got all this crazy Trump delusion, and I smell death. And so Europe and Chicago,

I'm in Austin, big cities. This is real world stuff. So at this point, I just want listeners, of viewers to know, let me ask you a stick, comment to just the Armageddon flavor of this, but then larger issue, is there any way to extricate Trump? Is there any path in your view out of this? Do you use a meldath? Do you use a meldath? Can we save Trump? He keeps asking him like over and over again, can we keep Trump? Is there a way out of this? I cannot be more clear.

if all three of us are standing on a cliff top, it is your and my responsibility to push him off that cliff. That's what Nick is saying. And Alex is like, I kind of want to hold on to it. Hold on to it. No, no. Remember all the things you don't. Remember all the things you're saying.

I can be quiet. I can be dead silent. Remember all the things you're saying. That's why we're pushing him off. He is precious to me, though. I understand all those things but that. Actually, including that. That also includes why we should push him.

him off he's too precious to you he Alex asks Nick that probably 20 times in the interview because it's clearly the conversation that Alex wants to have yeah like is there a path yeah and every time Nick is like no I mean it's it is metaphorically essentially like well can't I keep doing what I'm doing no no no you can't you you change or die that's it yeah we have identified a fundamental problem yep can I act like we haven't no no so yeah Alex desperately wants to keep Trump right and keep things as they are because there's a lot of proximity to power built into that yeah but Nick's next next he's just like it's time to think about the future what's next hmm what do we want after Trump

because when he leaves office and most likely pardons himself you and I will still be here picking up the pieces and even to the extent that we criticize Trump or have criticized Trump, it will make no difference when the left persecutes us. So even though I didn't vote for him, even though you've been fair and objective and critical, it will make no difference when the Democrats come in and clap back on all of us on the entire right wing. And we will not get a presidential pardon. So we'll be sweeping up after him one way or the other. We have to start to think, what is our lives? What is our political movement? What is MAGA, the populist America First Movement? What will it be when Trump sunsets? And I think,

he's already in a meaningful way sunsetted. There's just nothing new there. It's not dynamic. It's not progressive. It's not forward thinking. It's just sort of static and waiting to be resolved, waiting for him to exit stage left. We have to start to think in 2028, what is the next phase? What is the next booster rocket after Trump decouples? What will that be? So let's speak to that. What is the next phase? Because Trump did not defend free speech when I got taken off and he got taken off everything. Elon, because I only give credit words, too, he is the champion of that. They ran him off with Susie Wallace didn't like him, but we're all living under that umbrella. Trump wouldn't have gotten in without Elon, in my view.

What is your view on that? And so what is the Elon wildcard there? Well, what is interesting about Elon is introducing this America party. I'm actually interested to see where that goes. So, Alex, it's kind of like, can we Can we just transfer this to Elon? Can we just do that? Maybe we can just pretend that Elon's Trump? Man. And Nick's take on it is not as cut and dry as the end of that clip might make it seem.

Yeah. He thinks that Elon has some good potential as a guy who likes white people. Right. Quite a bit. Right. But also he's essentially an oligarch. Right. Like, is he going to be any different?

Probably not. I mean, yeah. Your option is like, can we love? bomb and oligarch into doing more whiteness stuff. Yeah, but eventually we'll run out of the same things to talk about. And he'll be like, I was on Epstein Island too. And we're right back where we start. It's not a long-term solution, but it might be a band-aid.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It might be a little bit of a way to pivot over into the actual next leader. We'll see. So I think that Alex, you can tell, is like, this sucks. Yeah, I fucking hate this. He's been drinking again. I don't know. He might just be really tired.

He could be. I'm reserving judgment. This feels very similar to the way that we have heard him speak in our previous episodes wherein he had indulged. Yes, that is true. There is a, there is a flavor. There's a similarity, yeah. But I'm not convinced just yet. I want to see some hatchets.

I get you. Hey, I'm on your team. But he's bummed out and like this is the worst. Nick, on the other hand, is trying to explain to him, buddy, this is good. This is the best day of our lives. We can get people so much further to the right if we just play our cards right here. With Trump disintegrating, it's actually presenting a real opportunity, especially in the way that he's disintegrating. So, wait, are you an accelerationist or what are you saying?

I don't know that I'm an accelerationist. I'm not rooting for the country to break apart, but I do believe that Trump occupying this seat is holding back something more right wing. I think that Trump is, I'm maybe a political accelerationist. And what I mean by that is I don't want the worst case scenario to happen for America to collapse so that then I'm not an accelerationist in that way. But in terms of the GOP, you want to wake people up, though. You want to have the wake-up call. Yeah, I think the controlled opposition needs to be defeated. We need to accelerate the political controlled opposition to.

So let's look at this way. Why do they want you off the air? I don't just say it. The NEL runs it. That's to see it. Why do they, what are they scared about you? We're not trying to bring ourselves into this, folks. We're not Hunter S. Thompson, but it's true.

Jesus Christ. Why do they want you off the air? Why do they want me off the air? What are we doing that the power structure fears? Well, what they don't like about you is that you are an independent media outlet. You have too big of a studio, too big of an operation, too big of an audience. They want to control that. I think with me, I never had an operation as big as you.

yours. We get into it at different times and different circumstances and things like that. I think what they fear about me, and I've seen it even on TikTok the other day, there was like this liberal kid. And he goes, the left is not talking about the rise of Nick Fuentes and that's a problem. The left is starting to like Nick Flentis because he criticizes Trump. I know, and I hate saying my own name. I think it sounds like narcissistic. But what they fear about me is that what I am proposing is a novel and truly reactionary alternative. to what we get even from the GOP. You know, in 16, they used to say, and maybe you remember this, but in 15 and 16,

they would say they hated Ted Cruz more than Trump because they said Ted Cruz was a true believer. He's a true radical, a true. Now, I don't think that's true, but there is this premise that they never fear Trump as much because they recognized that Trump was a dealmaker, would make concessions. They recognized that Trump was not an idealogue. He really was a demagogue the whole time, by definition. Whereas me, my movement, being very young, being very fanatical, and being very radical, we do represent a threat in the sense that when all of these fake ideologies disintegrate,

what is going to be the strongest ship? What is going to be the Noah's Ark that survives the fight? That's why the NSA and documents are in leaks. They fear anybody, they don't control them to get a group together. so they fill leaders period so let me ask you this what is your prediction i know it's all dead reckoning for trump what is the best scenario what what would you do to try to

because he's here for three and a half years what is the best best path out of this how do we save trump i got to ask you again I got to ask you again, it's dead reckoning, but how does Trump do this? He's here for another three and a half years. He doesn't have to be, you dick. I have got an exciting new solution that nobody's ever thought of before.

It's called, and you're going to, listen, I think you might react to this, but it's brand new. It's never been tried before. It's called apartheid. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's the thing from the past. This novel idea. This brand-new idea of us being a hummus. homogenous social class above all others that we dominate and are extracting wealth from.

You know, brand new. Brand fucking new. And I think that the danger here is that Nick's criticism of Trump is kind of correct. Right. You know, the criticism that he's a piece of shit and he is not a ideological, pure, hard right-wing person. right um is true um it's just that he's putting himself uh in as a proxy as the the alternative right right right and in doing so he's not really being clear that he's like oh also when you get over to my side right uh i hate the jews right i hate jewish people fundamentally right

and that is something that we are going to act we're really going to be uh yeah this new novel reactionary kind of thing we're going to do. Brand new. It involves getting rid of all those Jewish people. Well, I mean, brand newly, though, in a brand newly way. Yeah. He's presenting the like pure alternative to the Trump disappointment as himself. That's the, but that's like, that's the Alex trick, right?

Everybody, if you make the argument, this thing is not the thing it says it is, then yes, you are making accurate points whether or not I like the thing. thing it says it is, it is not that thing. So we're in agreement, right? We're not arguing about what the thing is, though. Because once we argue about what the thing is, then we're not talking about whether or not Trump is what he says he is. We're talking about whether or not it's okay to eradicate the Jews. Right.

And that's a different conversation. That's what Nick is trying to get people over to his side. He's not what he says he is. He's right. I agree with him. You're a good dude. Let's kill the Jews. Ah, God damn it again.

Whoops. Yeah, and fundamentally, like, what Nick is talking about, like, about this being a big opportunity, is that it's we can funnel a ton of people much further to the right into these spaces if we just exploit this implosion correctly. And Alex, I think that he's a little bit outplayed if I want to be as generous as possible. if he doesn't want that to be what happens, then he's being outplayed severely. Yeah. And I guess there is the possibility that just like he's kind of crashing his own ship in order to move things over to Nick.

Yeah. That is possible. It feels very much like, I don't know if that's on purpose, but it feels like this is Alex's proxy way of talking about himself, of being like, Is there any way to save me? Yeah. Is there any way to save what I do?

Because I can't, I can't do the thing that I have been doing. Your thing is clearly working better at this point in time. That's why we're still talking. That's why we're talking. Yeah. You're crushing it. I want some of that crushing it. Can I get it without changing anything about me?

Right. And it's a shocking inverse of the relationship that he and Nick had earlier on where Alex was trying to convince him to speak in code and stop hanging out with yay and just cut it with the Hitler's stuff and we can make some money together, buddy. Yeah. Now it's the roles have essentially reversed. Never. Oh, man.

Time passing? Ah, it never makes you feel good. Yeah. Yeah. You look back and it's like, that's not how it was supposed to go. So Alex is bummed out. Yeah. I mean, this is the disaster.

So, Nick, there's a lot of questions there. Why do you think he covered it up? What do you think is going to come out? How the Democrats think they can only limitably expose him when they're have everyone involved? Where do you see that going? I agree. I think they're going to keep pushing it, you know, because this is the first scandal that's really hurt Trump. All the other stuff, nobody really believed, the Russia Gate, the Stormy Daniels. For the most part, that never left a mark because there was this assumption

among the base that, look, the left is going to lie about Trump. They're going to try everything. They're throwing everything other than the kitchen sink and the rest of it. But this is something that it's just unavoidable. I mean, the Trump base, these people like Cash Patel, they played up the Epstein files for years. It's so brazen. So this is going to leave a mark. And now that the left has found something that is so effective, super effective, they're just going to hit this all day long.

Now, fortunately for Trump, there's this summer recess for the Congress so they can punt this. I don't know that that was even the best idea, because when the Congress reconvenes, guess what they're going to do? They're once again going to force the issue. So we're going to pick up in September in the next legislative session on this. Yeah. So I think that Nick is fundamentally missing a point, but I think it's somewhat intentional. Yeah. And that is that like the left has not discovered something that works. No. You guys just don't, you're not playing this time. Yep. All of those, like I mentioned earlier,

all of those other scandals that Trump, you know, navigated fine. Yep. It was because he has a robust, well-funded media machine in place that distracts everybody and it's like, oh, no, fake news. This is a democratic hoax. Yep. If they had just had message discipline and done that from the beginning on this, this probably wouldn't be hurting Trump at all. The only, it's not the left, it's you.

Yeah. Every single fucking time, all of you have been in a losing position, your move has been, ah, that guy's a pedophile. That's your move. that's been like the in my back pocket i've got the call that guy a pedophile that move is taken away from you if your guy is a pedophile and it doesn't matter if he is or isn't because it didn't matter if what you were calling was a pedophile was or wasn't what matters is would it sound like it was in a conversation where i'm arguing with somebody and now it you're gonna lose yeah it's

just we have they they've reached the mendoza line of what the right wing media will will do. And this is fully within their power. Yep. Yep. This is all, I mean, in a way, you could also say, like, here's how we keep him from getting blackmailed. We say it's okay for him to do whatever he wants it to do. It's one easy trick that could solve everything.

Yep. So, again, Nick is trying to explain to Alex that the glass is half full here, man. Yeah. I'm... Opportunity. I'm loving this. You know, some people look at this as dreadful. I look at this as kind of like momentum.

This is an explosion of energy that can propel maybe something even more anti-establishment into the four. You know, when people like liberals were pointing out, Trump is losing with the younger demographic. Trump's approval among the 18 to 25 is crashing out more than any other demo. The old people don't care, but the young people are furious about this. And the left said, oh, this is great. He's the rebel, and this is the main issue, and he thought he had the political cachet to say, shut up. And a person with the 70 IQ would have known that was a disastrous move, which was the mental acuity of him and his visors. But in particular with the young people, and I agree, because he thought he could do it, but he didn't.

The young people are leaving, and the left is telling us, oh, great, Trump is losing the youth. This is a great day for the left. But Trump is losing the youth, not because the youth are going to the left. He's losing the youth because they're more right-wing than Trump. Trump has created a generation of Nick Fuentes and Groyper. And that's my next question. I saw you talk about this. And I like Charlie Kirk.

I'm on his enemy. And I think he's been brought along. But they're literally having struggle sessions now. When you've been banned from their events, I've been there when you get taken out by police, the fact that they tried to ban you from the building only made you bigger. Do a little short thing on that? Sure. Well, you know, last week they did this Turning Point struggle session on Israel.

And what I said on my show is that for many years, back in 2019, I came at Turning Point USA as a critic from the right. Turning Point was considered the right most youth organization in the country. And they were the gladiators against the left. They were the most pro-Trump, the most right wing. Then here comes the Groyper's that are saying, you're not ready. right wing enough on the social issues, on immigration, on identity, and in particular on Israel. And their first response back in 19 was to ban us. They banned me from their events. They kicked the Groypers out. They fired the Groyper's that were sympathetic in their

organization. And they tried to ignore us. They tried to purge us. They tried to pretend we didn't exist. Fast forward six years later, and their whole organization is filled with Groyper's. Their events are filled with Groyper's. The youth is about as right wing as me. Maybe they're even more right wing than me, even. And so Charlie Kirk. They had literally an event with their people about this now. Yeah, he's a tired.

He's a tired man. You know, it's a classic quote, right? You know, if you're not a raging conservative monster in your 20s, you have no heart. But if you're not a pointless, non-functional liberal in your 40s, you have no brain. Yeah. What if you're a washed up, sad, bankrupt guy whose business is about to be liquidated?

Go to South America. Run. Run. Oh, man. I think that there's an indication in that clip, oh, the talking point. Nick wanted Alex to bring up. I think he wanted to bring up the struggle session thing.

Yep. It's a pretty specific wording that Alex introduces. Nick clearly has prepared thoughts on this. It kind of feels like, oh, this was part of the thing. thing that we're going to talk about this i i i i think that uh it's an indication of nick calling some of the shots yeah yeah there's i've there's i've practiced this in the mirror energy on some of the yeah set me up tee me up alex yep so there's also like a uh uh just a bummer of a reality that is like we've we've taken your stuff yeah we've taken these kind of center right things

pretty far center right like a turning point like an Info Wars and we have infected all of it we have now pushed everything we've we've exploited your obsession with free speech we've exploited

fears around lockdown and pandemic and all this stuff in order to move everything super far to the right we have forced you to bequeath power to us and now your god king trump is uh is shown to have no clothes and uh we're gonna we're just gonna take over now it's it is so much like hey y'all have been feeding these people some form of diet coke their entire lives and if that's all you've had then one

sip of real coke is going to blow your fucking mind and that's that's what we're yeah that's his pitch. And so Nick is invested in, you know, not caring about Trump. Instead, he wants to find basically the next Hitler. Yeah. I don't think that Trump was all bad. I'm not a Trump hater. I think that he did a lot of good for the country. But he was never, he, in my opinion, he was always a first step. He was always going to hand the baton to somebody else. He was planting a seed. He was destroying institutions. He was kind of like a necessary first part of a long story. And so if we play our cards right and our smart, what happens next is we decouple from Trump and like he did, we imagine what is the next step of this? What do we want? And we take the baton

from Trump and from this administration and we take it forward in 2028. We take it forward in 2032 and we look for a young avatar of this new movement that can run for office. Maybe as a congressman. Is there anybody out there? I don't know anybody in particular. People say Thomas Massey. I don't think he'll be the guy. Dan Bilzerian has talked about running for office. Maybe it'll be somebody like him.

Maybe it's somebody we haven't heard of yet. It could be somebody, this is a big country. It could be somebody that nobody even knows their name yet. I think all he knows is the fuck word. He is a little, yeah, he's a little jocular, but, you know, I wouldn't underestimate him. I'm not against him. It's like, you know, dude, you got a vocabulary? You know, it's like, I don't know.

But, yeah, I know what you mean. Hopefully, if he runs for office, maybe clean it up a little bit. Certainly clean up the language. Well, not you, Nick. I might run for office at some point. I think at this point in time, I see myself more as like a vanguard. And I think I'm maybe more powerful, not in a campaign. Because you get in a campaign.

And then they turn it into, well, you know. You're more like John the Baptist out there. So, you know, John the Baptist. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Hey, Alex, I'm you. I'm you, but harder. Yep.

Yep. I feel like Alex was really trying to be like, could you announce a run? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some sort of set him up like, oh, now we can get you out of my media space and put you into a place where you have rules on what you can and can't say. Hey, Nick, who's a new exciting young candidate that you're interested in? let's pretend that you didn't weren't

yay's campaign manager like a year ago we've been here we know who you want to promote come on stop fucking playing games come on so Alex is like

I need to take a break yeah I think he had to pee or something yeah that makes sense but they go to break and they come back and Alex is like this is not a debate this is awake

I appreciate Nick Pointez really smart guy being on this tonight Nick Jay Pointes on Rumble and on X. He'll, we're going to end this in about 30 minutes. We're going to take a few calls right now. Call to the debate.

I mean, it is a discussion. I would say more of a wake. And I don't want to agree with him totally that Trump's done. I think there's some chance to extricate this. He's woke. As I said, three plus weeks ago, before he even came out, this is Trump. And going against what he promised to do, the Epstein thing, has created a wedge. are coming after.

I'll look at all the other issues and how he's so much better than them on others and I want to keep the House, I want to keep the Senate. I want to hold on to this. Please, Nick, tell me I can, please. I just want to keep my Trump toy. We're just never going to get to a spot

where it's like, guys, the Democrats aren't actually your enemy. They've been nonstop trying to just be like, can we live together? I just want to live in the same space as you. You guys are your own enemies. Your imaginary enemies are your own. Your real enemies are absolutely your own.

And you're going to eat each other alive with this Trump bullshit. Yeah. And that's essentially what this conversation is actually about. Yeah. It is about can we not destroy this fun costume we've been wearing? Yep. The hats are fun. And Nick's like you've got to put away the hat. You got to put away the hat.

It's time to grow up. It's weird to hear this from a 19-year-old Alex. It's time to grow up. Yep. Yeah. So Nick, I think he has a point that is obvious, but also entirely invalidating of their entire point. Great. And that is that, hey, man, if Trump would just do more crazy shit, we'd be fine with all this.

What? You know, it's like you said, and we're kind of in agreement on this. Even if all of this has happened, if he went after his opponents like Clinton and Obama and Comey and Clapper and. If he raised some of these departments and agencies to the ground and he did the mass deportations, he would be forgiven. You know, he's a lame duck, and that could cut both ways. You could say nothing new can come out of it. He can't win again.

At the same time, you would say he could kind of burn the house down on his way out, meaning not necessarily destructive, but he could really go for it. And he could really go for the institutions and really go for these bad people. And this is a crisis. This is like a hot potato. He has it. pass it to the next person you know double it and pass it to Hillary Clinton why is he caught holding the bag and dying with the Epstein thing so so essentially Nick his position this whole time has been when Alex was like can we salvage Trump yeah's like no yeah but his actual position is yeah if Trump would kick all of the immigrants out of the country right if he'd lock up all the semi powerful people on the left right if he would destroy all of these parts of the government.

Yeah. If he would do that dictator shit, like, for real. Yeah. I wouldn't care if he's an Epstein file. I would, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. I already want him to be a dictator. Why would I give a shit if he's raped children? Yeah.

My problem is that he's not doing this other shit that I want him to do. Yep. So in effect, Nick is giving Alex the answer. How do he save Trump? Trump could be saved. Right. If he would just be Hitler. If he was, here's the thing.

In reality, there is no way to save Trump. In fiction, if Trump were a different person, the person that we lied to people and said he was, then yes, I would have accepted anything he does. Yep. That's what we're talking about. He is not that person. Yep. He's proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. Mm-hmm.

That's all we can say. But it makes the caring about this seem a little bit stupid. Yeah. Because you obviously don't care about Epstein. You don't care about what any of this portends. Right. You would forgive him if he was doing the things you want. And that's, like, I think that most of the people who are attracted to Nick Fuentes, most of the people who are his fans.

Yeah. They understand that. Yeah. They aren't disillusioned by some, like, oh, no, this is calculated. Right. No, it's ruthless practicalism. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think that that is a place where he can say shit like this, and it doesn't really matter. Yeah. On its face, it's invalidating of pretending to care. Yeah. But his audience doesn't demand that he pretend to care. Yeah, they don't, again, they don't really care. No. And even then, even what he's describing is, like, here's what he could do.

Give heads. People are calling for heads. They want heads. His head seems pretty obvious to take right now. So if he gives people other heads, they'll maybe go away. Yeah. On some level, that is basically the subtext. So they take some calls, and they get a call from.

a Nick fan. Okay. Just forgive me a little bit. I'm a little nervous because you guys are both my inspiration, especially Nick. Yeah. I just recently became a goyper. I don't mean to take all the time, but... Listen, stop apologizing.

You're on the air. What's your point? Okay. So my question to you, Alex, was if Nick were by chance to start a goyper war against like the Trump movement, like, would you be in, like, would you be a part of the movement? because I'm getting tired of these Judeo-Catholics, Judeo-Christians in the office dictating our government. And I just-

All right, let me respond to that. Three weeks ago, I came out day one and said this is BS within hours of a breaking. And I've tried to figure it out since. So I am at war with the Republican establishment trying to control Trump. So it's not, do I, I would, if Nick launch, some war against Trump that he kind of already has, I would then gauge it and say, do I agree with it? He kind of already did it. So I think you're kind of like behind the curve here. I think we're already here and we're saying we want to get Trump steered back. Can he be salvaged? We're having a

discussion about this. That's not the discussion that's happening. And what this caller is asking is essentially a take Maga and kick the Jews out. Yep. That's the Groyper war. That's what we're here for. Are you in favor of that, Alex? Alex can't not understand that these are the conversations that are being had. This is what this caller is asking him. Yeah. And listen, we're all people, but I don't believe that. Should we purge non-people from our group?

Cut two, six months later. You know, we purged a lot of these non-people from our group, but I'm starting to think there's some more non-people in here. Let's get rid of these guys, too. And there we go. Yeah. Yep. So I think that Alex is either delusional about what.

the conversation he's having on the show is or he wants it to be this and either is unacceptable. I think that's, that's an interesting, like, if he does mean kind of what he's saying, then he would have some intentionality between behind this of being like, I am not openly saying, I'm on the Groyper side of the war. But do you see me having this conversation and saying, you're totally right, Nick, I think you're right. I think you're right, Nick, Nick, I think you're right. Like, you would understand what's happening now.

Yeah. Yeah, there's a, there's a feeling of hedging a little bit. It's disgusting. So, Nick, I mean, look, for whatever, I think I've been thinking about continuity so much. Okay. And Alex is completely disconnected from continuity. Right. Nothing matters.

Tomorrow doesn't exist. Yesterday is an imagination. Right. But Nick kind of has to live in reality. Sure. And so Trump said, I don't. want your support. Right. And that doesn't go away just because you want it to go away. And so Nick's like, I'm going to remember that. My first inclination is we have to punish them, you know,

and I know people didn't like my tactics last year. But my first instinct when I heard this is when Trump said, I don't want your support. My first thought is that needs to be on billboards. That needs to be projected at rallies. Come to the midterms. People need to say and remember that I don't want your support. You're right. Our only hope is killing his hubris. Like if there's any salvaging him, which is actually working some, he, you know, he tried to say, oh, take the vaccine.

People backlash. He backed off. Exactly. Exactly. So is Trump gut level? Is Trump salvageable? No. God level, no.

That's like I would say probably the 20th time he's asked that. It is just repetitive. Please. I mean, this is such Alex being that kid whose daddy does everything for him. Like, even listening to it now is like, I know. But I'm going to ask you again, because maybe this time the answer is going to be different. And do you know why I do that? Because eventually, it will be different.

Eventually, I'll wear you down and I will get to ride on that little fucking horse because you'll give me that quarter. Yeah. That's going to happen. I think that that's one very good possibility. that he's just like, I think if I just keep asking, it'll change. Yeah. Or he really, really wants this to look like a conversation where there are possible, like, different viewpoints. Is it both sides' conversation?

Yeah, and it's not. He just keeps saying the same thing over and over again, and Nick keeps saying, no. Is there any way the climate isn't changing? No. Okay. Now I like that. But is there any way that the climate could be not changing? No.

Oh. And now we brand this conversation as a debate on climate change. Yeah, it's either really, really stupid or an expression of him just like, I'll get my way eventually. Yeah, yeah. But like, I think there's something so interesting about Nick being like, we got to put this on billboards. Yeah. And Alex is like, yeah, that'll get Trump in line. And Nick's point is not let's get Trump in line.

We will not get him in line. We will get another leader. We are punishing him. Yeah. For failure. That's called holding somebody accountable. We will use that against him to boost someone else. Right.

Right. We are not helping Trump do anything anymore. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So Alex is like, but what about the Dems? What about the Dems? Do they even exist right now? Not to Nick.

How do the Democrats try to connect him to Epstein when they're completely convicted of it? It is a he without sin throw the first time. I don't know that that applies. I mean, if they're all guilty of this, then they all got to go. You know what I mean? Like, you know, we could say the Democrats are hypocrites, but then we could say Trump is a hypocrite. No, no, I agree. But how do they use Epstein on him when they're confirmed involved?

Yeah, again, I think it depends on what's in the files, which we don't know. But at the same time, Trump runs the DOJ, so the onus is on him. You know, I mean, I'm really just not interested in that. When people say Democrats and Republicans, I say you're repeating yourself. You're talking about the same people. Oh, shit. Republic Crips and Dema Bloods. Yeah, there we go.

Republicans. Yeah, Jesse Ventura's back, baby. Yeah, this is an unfortunate instance where, like, uh-oh, Alex, you can't really argue with this. This is what you say. According to what you say, this is what you say. Yeah, this is what your career is based on. Yeah. And the person throwing your shit back at you is saying, who cares?

Yeah. This is almost like a murder interrogation. there's just there's just so much like you know we know you know we know right yeah but what if I you know I don't think I was there that night you were we know we know you know I don't think I was you should ask for a lawyer that's what you should be doing Barnes exactly Alex should be asking for a lawyer right now so one of the biggest allures obviously of Trump as a political figure is this idea that he is anti-elite is anti- oligarch.

Yeah. Gold toilet having people tend to be anti-oligarch. Yeah. And so Nick points out the very obvious thing that Trump is a fucking oligarch. Oh, what? On the trade, on cutting deep state funding. I mean, there is a lot of good happening, Nick. That's what's so painful about this.

Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, I don't think you can treat it as a singular issue. And we talk about oligarchs. I mean, Trump, by definition, is an oligarch. He is a billionaire. I mean, look at his cabinet. Linda McMahon, Howard Lutnik, Scott Besson. Scott Besson comes from Soros.

He worked for Soros. I mean, if they're not oligarchs, then who is? Peter Thiel, J.D. Vance. I mean, look at the people that supported Trump getting into office. It was Silicon Valley, Wall Street, the Israel lobby, and then Trump hired all of them. I mean, all the people in the DOD and the Pentagon are Musk people. If Elon Musk and Peter Thiel are not oligarch, Who is?

So this is what I'm talking about. The Saudis. Trump split. I mean, that looks pretty real. Oh, I think it's real. But, you know, that's just one other oligarch. I think that that's got nothing to do with what's going on. At least Elon Musk was calling out the Epstein stuff on June 5th.

He said that Trump is in the files. He's owed an apology. Absolutely. And I said it that, and you said it too. The day it happened, I said Elon is right. He has no reason to lie. And everybody said, oh, that's fake. Trump deflected.

from it so yeah absolutely but you know this whole thing about oh epstein's one little issue it's about the republic or whatever first of all we don't have republic that is a fiction second of all trump is the oligarch candidate um if there ever was one he is the congenital oligarch if if there ever was one so um but maga people need to wake up this is what i'm talking about these are like the the mind raped these are the raped brainwashed people that bought into the scam and they think that trump is carrying the banner forward it's like look around you. I mean,

challenge your database. I mean, they see the good appointments and things better than Democrats. I don't do lesser, you know, of two evils, but overall,

I don't think old Trump supporters just might sort of the Q-Tards. Well, now they're waking up too. It's just, it's hard to look at the Democrats and then just totally turning its Trump, but I get what you're saying.

It's a bad sign. Let's take a few more calls. That's a weak, weak response on Alex's part. Yeah. Because what Nick is doing, is directly confronting what Alex does. Yeah.

He is the person who's like blindly turned, you know, like Trump into this like a meme. Yep. Or whatever. Like that's the bread and butter of, of InfoWars. And he's just saying no, what you, what your shit is, is hollow. Yeah. It's empty and I'm going to poke a hole in it. People like lies, but now is not the era for lies.

I guess. I guess that's what we're saying. Yeah. And I think that Alex wants his last sort of retreat is this idea of like, let's fucking latch on to Elon Musk. Yeah. And Nick is even kind of like resistant to that or at least not signing off. He's an oligarch too. He's one of the.

No, no, Nick is very much like, oh, man, this revolution's going really well. Oh, no, why am I getting beheaded? God damn it, Robespierre. It's, it's just him, man. It's just the way these people operate. It's never going to be enough. There's never going to be enough heads. Yep.

So they go to some more calls. And I think that one of the arguments that I've made, and I have been saying pretty much since Alex started fucking around with Nick, is that the way that this media space works is, is you are just somebody who stumbles across some kind of conspiracy content like Alex's. Yeah. And you're like, oh, my God, this is interesting. This guy is very convicted. He sounds very sure of himself. He pretends that he's read all these things. Right. And you get interested in that. And eventually it becomes unsatisfying because something like this Trump thing happens. And you're like, oh, wait, Alex is full of shit. Yeah. I need something harder. Yeah. And so you go to Nick. And then. then before you know it, you're blaming Jews for all the

ills of the world. That'll happen. And so this caller essentially followed that exact same path. Right. Hey, so I just want to say, like, really just shout out to both of you guys. I'm a huge fan. I really like the way to this conversation went because I was almost a little concerned on Twitter when I thought it was a good

debate because I love you guys both. Start off, listen to Alex Jones, moved on to listen to Nick Fuentes. Really, it's not much of a question. It's more of a comment. I just personally don't really understand why so much of the Trump base is giving him even like a shadow of a doubt. I mean, he's literally broken almost every

fucking promise at least in 2024, let alone 2016, right? And I feel like there's a level of almost like like, they think that like eventually he'll like honor his promise and he'll live up to what he promised. And every time, like how many fell

for it again awards are they going to win before they realize that he's controlled opposition in my opinion. Well, this is where I can actually debate, Nick. And I appreciate you're called. They dismantled border enforcement. They've scaled up. And yeah, it's less than Obama did. And let's see it before because they didn't have the enforcement. They, from what I've seen in my sources, they're really trying to scale that up. So 96% shut down on the border coming in, scaling up deportation. Is that really a fair attack on Trump? I mean, he is saying,

oh, we're going to keep people here with, you know, for farming visas and things. So he has gone back there. But, I mean, in general, is Trump really breaking his promise on the border, Nick? 100%. Yeah. And the reason why, I mean, look, I agree with you. It's miraculous what he did at the border. Border crossings are like zero, which is unheard of. And that would have been good in 2017, but it's 2025. A lot of people don't have the perspective that you and I have. The illegal immigration was so bad then 10 years ago that we elected Trump. Then we had four years of Biden where 10 million people come in. Now they close the border. That's too little too late. He promised mass deportation. closed border, that should have been a given. That should have been a given from the beginning. Now they're given us closed border. They promised mass deportations. We're six months in.

They haven't even started, and they go, well, you know, that's going to happen later. I mean, when is that going to happen? And by the way, here's why people are concerned. Maybe you'd be willing to say, oh, well, it'll do it next year. They'll do it in a couple years. Will they in the middle of the midterms? Joe Rogan says, well, we only want the criminals out. The all-in podcast, the tech bros, they're going to say, we only want the criminals gone.

Look, suffice to say it ain't happening. Alex and Trump essentially, and, you know, so many of these other figures in that media space have created a disillusionment machine. Yeah. And eventually a lot of people will end up in the same kind of position as this caller who gravitate towards trying to find something harder. And they find Nick. And he's calling in and Alex is like, fuck, maybe I can still appeal to this guy. Trump's doing pretty good on the border. He's doing pretty, you know, he's trying to do his talking points of why you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

And he's hoping Nick will just be like, yeah, you know what? That is one good thing about Trump. But instead, he's like, no, no, 100% Trump has not lived up to this campaign promise. Yeah. And that's why he appeals to these people who have been disillusioned by Alex's shit. I mean, to go back to the beginning, he's, he's very. right, you know, when you come at the king, you have to go all the way. You can't be like, I think it's bad that the king did this, but I'll forgive them.

You got to go after it. Got to go all the way. So, no, it doesn't even matter. Yes. No, I don't even care. I threw the glove down, so now we fight. There is no, like, but I'm pretty, right? No, I don't care.

We're fighting now. Yeah. How does it serve my interests in any way to be like, yes, this is good enough? Yeah. No. Absolutely not. No. We're fighting.

Yeah So we get another caller And this guy was on hold for an hour Just to sort of bababooey them Except with a kind of anti-Semitic thing Great Go ahead Sean go ahead

Hey good evening fellas hope you guys are well Just want to say Christ is king Mary is the mother of God We pray for the conversion of the Jews All heretics and infidels Okay That was it

Well that was a good call He yelled for like an hour to say that, Nick. Wow. Based. Yeah, very based. We got that out of the way. We should have started with that at the beginning. All right.

Nick in Arizona, you're a hotel gunner. Go ahead. That last guy's going to be hard to follow. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, Alex is just letting his show become a sort of carnival. We're just saying the Nazi catechism or whatever it is now. That's just what we're doing?

Yep. Cool. cool yeah he's he's either very interested in this becoming what his show is acceptable on his show or he is entirely lost control of like what's going on it there's almost no other explanation yeah i mean i could i can definitely just see him like where do you go run run go to south america you have gold buried somewhere take it get out just go yeah there's nothing for you here there's only watching Nick Fuentes pick your bones with his fucking teeth. And if you run, there's a hammock somewhere. Yeah. And sandals. Oh, my God.

There's a hammock sand. I want to run right now. Sure. And Nick Fuentes isn't even nipping at your heels. Nope, not even bothering me. So I think that this has been, Alex has described it as a wake. I would describe it as humiliating. And Alex is like just really bummed out about all of this stuff that's going on.

Yeah. And he's talking to. to a borderline giddy, Nick Fuentes, who's like, we can use this. This is going to be so good. And that's not the energy Alex needed. And so as they wrap things up, I think he's going to, he's trying to feel good about something. Yeah.

And so he decides to make fun of the Q people. Great. And we got it. He seems to be talking about himself. Oh, God damn it. All right. So in congressional hearings about Epstein, does Trump keep doubling down? I mean, how bad is that yet?

How Trump plays it is up to him, but I don't see him. If he hasn't done anything different yet, I don't think he'll do something different in the future. So I think he'll try to punt it. I think he'll try to pass the hot potato. And I think it's just going to become a big shit fest, just like the Ukraine thing, the Ukraine call, the Russia gate. He's never been particularly good at this stuff. So I think it's just going to be a big, ugly mess. And the whole thing is going to grind lines.

Well, the only silver lining is the Q-Tards saying he was, going to expose all the pedophile rings they don't know what to do now with this are you sure they still have their theories i still get it on x i still get people saying there's no yellow fringe on the flag today you know what that means and we're like no what is that no they're like you know he's gonna bust the pedophiles and now they don't what to do with this right wait that's what that's your whole thing i literally your thing was he was going to bust like all the pedophiles in the world yeah and now you don't know what to do with this No, because he's a pedifier.

You're talking about yourself and claiming it's the Q people. Yep. And then Nick is making fun of, like, the fringe on the flag. That's sovereign citizen shit. That's Alex maritime law. That's Alex's bread and butter from way back. Oh, my God. They are just making fun of what Alex is and pretending it's someone else.

Yep. I don't think this is good for anyone, except Nick. Yeah, that comes out way ahead. That is exactly right. That is exactly right. in this in this world nick is playing it the way that you should play it yep in this media space yeah the um what alex represents yeah is um kind of a vestigial thing yep um that he was really helpful when you needed to speak in code right and you needed to like worry about social

acceptability and people, you know, just being like, I don't want to give you any money, you're a bigot. Yeah. And that has gone. That is no longer necessary. That beetle was really important when the wasp was a larvae, eating it from the inside out in order to gain all that strength. But then once it becomes a wasp, it doesn't need you anymore.

Right. And it flies away. Right. And like, you know, Lee Atwater has said, you know, the southern strategy and the, you know, busing and, you know, states rights and all that stuff was, was meaningful code because you couldn't just yell slurs. Right. And that is a statement, I think, that is archaic now.

Yeah. And Nick knows how to surf these waters, clearly. Yep. And, yeah, Alex is going to get just kind of outrun. People are going to change. Yep. Yeah. It's going to happen.

And I think that, honestly, That doesn't, I don't know how much it changes the calculus for Alex. Sure. Because most of his audience is probably, at this point, old people who don't know what, like, the internet is. Right. Well, it feels like what is dead can never die levels of territory of like, yeah, he's a walking corpse, but also he will never stop walking. Yeah. And I think that whoever's there is there.

And I don't think that they're, like, they're not the young. kids who are going to take over a turning point meetings. Nope. Or whatever. And so Nick is almost, it feels almost more like he's doing this for sport than, then there is a practical, like, poaching that's going on. Sure. But Alex, I think, believes that he has a possibility to poach Nick's audience.

Yeah. Like, he thinks it's going to go that direction. Right. And that's delusional. But that's, that's Nick's advantage, right? It's going to happen. And that's why he's doing, that's why it's smart to do it. Now, because it's going to happen to the next guy.

Alex will no longer be the target once Nick quits to a certain point, then it'll be the next guy. And the next guy will be the target, and the next guy will not be Alex. So there will be at least a little bit of a higher standard of quality when it comes to trying to steal his shit. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, this is a bummer, but it's kind of exactly what the progression of how the Epstein case, the mishandling of it on Trump's part. It's wild. The right-wing media implosion around it.

This is how this goes. Yep. And I don't know. Man, just watching it. Just watching it. It's like, you know, you just don't think it's real. You just don't. Yeah.

It's all playing out like a movie would, but it's not a good movie. No. No. No. And it's, you know, you want it to, you want it to not be real because there's something kind of funny about these people as characters. Exactly. But it is unfortunately real and involves the president. It is funny.

It is funny. It is. The problem is it is funny. It is kind of funny. Yeah. It's just all so horrifying. Yeah. The stakes are awful, but it's a little funny.

Yeah. But we cannot dwell in this forever. Right. And there is ultimately no fundamental truth. I don't think that is to be found from Alex's, can I please keep Trump stand? Yeah. Like there isn't, there isn't some deeper truth behind that. And as it stands in the present day, we're in a situation where the courts have ordered that the liquidation of Infoors can move forward.

Yep. and Trump has essentially sent federal troops into D.C. Yep. So we've got to move along. Sure. And we've had our fun with the Epstein stuff. Yeah. And I bid Alex Adieu with this horrific attempt at damage control.

But we'll be back with another episode. Indeed we will. Until then, though, we have a website. Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo.

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Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.