Knowledge Fight - #1069: August 11, 2025

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to watch Alex Jones defend Trump taking over DC and try his best to pretend that it's totally not a police state move, while he also advocates for the military taking over the civilian government.

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I'm a first time calling. I'm a huge fan. I love your world. Knowledge fight. Not knowledge fight.com. I love you. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan.

We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you. Uh-huh. What's your bright spot today? Why don't you go first?

My bright spot is, uh, oh, I'll tell you what my bright spot is. Okay. My, I was playing some tennis. Yeah. And my racket broke. Nice. You hit it too hard. No, no, no.

It was bad. It just, one of the strings broke. But here's what the bright spot about that is. I was playing like dog. shit. Okay. I was absolutely garbage. And then the string broken was like, ah, no wonder I was playing so poorly. Oh, I thought

you were going to say that it gave you an excuse to stop playing because you were so bad. No, no, no, no. Racket's broken. Can't play anymore. No, we got a replacement racket that worked. I started playing a lot better because it worked. Okay. Yeah. So I can, you know, you can just restring it. Yeah. You don't have to be like, I feel

bad for being a bad person. Sure. Your bright spot is having an excuse. My bright spot is having something. to fix that isn't my own self-esteem. Okay. See, I go the entirely opposite direction with this. If I'm ever playing a sport and the equipment breaks, it's because I'm too good. I hit it too hard.

Too hard? I just, the angle was too right. Right. And I just, I broke it. See, the problem there is that it's very easy to access people who can hit the ball significantly harder than me. Right, but not exactly right. Ah, that's fair.

It's like the one inch punch kind of thing. You know, you got to just, yeah. Your swing was, look, anyone could break a backboard with a slam dunk. Is that true? In theory. Is this like a million monkeys with a million typewriters could break a backboard situation? I am now setting out to break a backboard to prove this thesis. So I have to sabotage a backboard is what you're saying.

I would appreciate it if you did metal with a backboard. board in advance of me trying to jump. Okay, okay, good. We'll not call it sabotage. We'll call it rearranging. I'm just saying that I think the glass half-full version of this is that you were too good that you broke a racket. Fair enough.

I'll take it. I'll take it. I like that. I like having a glass full. What's your bright spot? So our friend, a friend of the show and old buddy, Daniel Schar, he's doing his not near sex for work, one-man show. Yeah.

Out in New York and East Hampton, Massachusetts. Nice. In early September. And I wanted to give a plug for that. Tell people if they're in the area and they want tickets, they should go get them and go check out his fun, one-man show full of filth and heart. It is great.

It was really, really good. I highly recommend it. Yeah, people can find tickets to that at danielshar.com, S-H-A-R. Yep. So I'd recommend if you want to have a nice time, out with something a little bit off. A little blue, but not that blue.

I mean, in a way, it's the type of blue that is, like, yeah, you could say that a clinical picture of a naked body is blue, but it's to transform, like, sex into just a, an observational thing as opposed to being a turn-on thing or something like that. You know, like, you're an adult. You've seen that shit. Deal with it. We all watch it. Sure.

So anyway, that's going on. Okay. Check it out. Yeah, you should. So today, Jordan, we have something less fun to check out. That is an episode of Alex's show. Oh, shit. We're going to be talking about August 11th, 2025.

All right. The day that Trump sent troops into D.C. Right, right, right. Marshal Law. One might think. Well, hey, you know it looks like a duck? It looks very martial law-e. Quacks like a duck.

Sure. That shit's not a duck. Anyway, we'll talk about Alex's response to this and how invalidating it is of everything he pretends to stand for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wongs. That's a great idea. So first, think globalistee, act loki-li. Thank you so much.

You're now, palsy-wank. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, congratulations to Haley and Joe on your engagement, and thank you for letting me be your maid of honor. I love you both tons. Thank you so much. I'm a policy won't.

Thank you very much. And these fucking serials are trying to be jacks of all trade and it's just not working. I'm not mad at the tiger. We're going to rebroadcast. Play one of the old project Camelot episodes. Thank you so much. You're now, Policy Wong. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much. And we got a technocrat in the mix. So thank you so much to, in episode 12 at the one hour, 50 minute mark. Dan swears that if they, quote, get enough donations to this show where we can quit our jobs, I will legally change my name to Scatman, Dan. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Bomb, bomb, bam, bam, bar. Jar, jar. has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little little titty baby.

I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Yeah. I mean, look, this is, this is fair. This has been pointed out to me a number of times. Sure. And here's my, here's my blanket response that I'm going to give now. I don't fuck with the government.

I'm not going to legally change it. I'm not going to fill out this paperwork. There is no law. So I might want to try and make a compromise on this. Okay. Like maybe get a scat-dan tattoo or something like that. All right. But I don't want to go through the paperwork of legally changing my name.

But I do feel like no one was listening then. I mean, it's good to be reminded that we have and had humble dreams. Back then, no one was listening. Nope. There were like five listeners, maybe. It was a comical idea that anyone would ever listen to this show. Yep. And so I did make that kind of a declaration.

Sure. And I feel like I should follow through in some way. But I'm not changing my name. No. Not doing paperwork. Come on, man. Tattoo maybe? Yeah, no.

I mean, you can change your name in spirit at any point in time. The problem is I don't know how to change your name legally. Maybe I can get a new ID. I could get a tattoo of the scatman or just his mustache. I don't think you want to. I could see the mustache works. I don't think you want the. A mustache.

his hat like just a nice little silhouette kind of thing yeah i like that we'll workshop something but uh yeah consider this addressed you are the scatman yes you are the scatman yeah so jordan um i wanted to uh do a little something different today okay uh but we're not going to okay what i wanted to do was i noticed that around this time at the beginning of august yeah Alex uh made good on one of his threats, which was that he was going to start having more shows. Right. He was going to do more. We're going to go 24 hours.

Wow. He's not going 24 hours, but he's building up the roster of shows. Sure. And so there's a new show that he's doing called Good Morning Info Wars. You are joking. But it's not him who's hosting it. It's someone named like Brianna Morello. Okay.

Who I think did a book about how attractive Melania is. Great. I think she did like a picture book of... Give her a show. Yeah. I watched it and I thought it was unviewable. There was no, no Riz, no juice, just nothing. It was, it was an awful, awful, it didn't even have like a, you hear the, you hear good morning info war.

Yeah. It's a Saturday morning show. Yeah. You're expecting someone maybe sitting around drinking a cup of coffee. Do a good morning America ripoff, yeah. Yeah, it's not that. Why? It's just someone staring into a webcam and talking about all the same stuff that they talk about on

at the very least get a cup of coffee and like a thing like all morning shows suck but they suck in the right way everybody likes it yeah it's the way you do it comforting yeah they're like it's breezy out oh yeah exactly oh we're gonna have kid rock dropping by to give us a brisket recipe of course you are like that there's no reason for you not to have kid rock give you a brisket recipe yeah so i was hoping we would cover that but instead i'm just mentioning it and it's trash that would be it would be so much more fun if you could force the square pegs into the round holes like her and Alex doing like they're sitting on the director's chairs thing they're doing a whole thing but

i say you even just don't don't involve Alex just sure just do this as uh you know how okay someone explained to me yeah that one of the things that marvel could do but isn't doing as well as it could is just do genre sure you know like have uh one of your characters this is a mystery movie. Yeah. One of your characters, this is a shoot-em-up movie. Yep. You know, you can fit those, like, all these Marvel superheroes into different types of films.

Yeah. George Lucas fit space guys into a Kurosawa film. It'll be fine. Right. But under the umbrella of Marvel, you could have every sort of movie covered in different tendrils. Yeah. And that's what InfoWare should do.

Like, this should be Good Morning America, but just. Just InfoWorzy. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to force one of these people to try and be Regis. That's what I want. Because there's been a gigantic Regis hole. We all know this.

We feel it in the ether sphere at all times. And it's just like, what if Regis was all so fucking crazy? You got to. Who would you do? James Woods? Maybe get James Woods to be Regis. That would be fun. On Info Wars?

I don't know if he's animated. it enough. Sure. You know? Yeah, that could be a problem. You've got to get somebody with more, more, uh, in your face juice. John Voight. I'm just trying to think who they got.

Kevin Sorbo. You're right. There's a very low ability to bring out a Regis. Yeah. So, um, we start to, uh, instead of covering that morning show, uh, we're talking about the 11th, August 11th. Okay. And look, uh, Trump has decided that he's covering up the Epstein.

stuff and he you know bombed iran and clearly is just a real piece of shit yeah uh but like you gotta kind of you gotta like him i know it's fashionable to say that trump's totally screwing over america and gone back on his promises and he is a total puppet of israel on and on and and certainly i've had some legitimate criticism some of the directions he's taken and i support everybody's right to free speech But I got to tell you, if you actually look at what he's doing domestically and geopolitically, it is spectacularly good for this country and he is really going to bat for not to see American people with the people of the world. If you listen to Alex's show, you start to notice that he keeps calling certain positions fashionable or avant-garde.

You might think that he's talking about whatever is popular on Twitter that day, but if you pay attention, it's pretty much always in reference to the position that Nick Fuentes is putting out. Whether it's the result he wanted to come about or not, Alex is in a situation where he's lost any real relevance in the media space where he used to be the king. He used to be fashionable in avant-garde, and now the next generation has made him irrelevant. Nick is unburdened by the need to defend Trump.

He doesn't owe people a billion dollars for lying about them and he's half Alex's age. Nick is legitimately the biggest threat to Alex's entire thing right now, mostly because he's not attacking Alex. By putting on a friendly face, he's offering the audience an off-ramp that provides an answer for all the cognitive dissonance that Alex's show is creating. We're supposed to be anti-war folks, but now we want to invade Mexico. We're the anti-epstein folks, but we're supposed to just move on from Trump's cover-up of that? We're the anti-police state people, but Alex wants us to accept Trump taking over D.C. and putting feds on the street?

Nick has answers for all of that, whereas Alex just has excuses and spin. This media space relies on antagonism and having an other to point to and say, I'm better than them. For years, the mainstream media worked as this foil, and Alex could brand himself as the truth-based alternative to outlets like CNN. But now the right-wing media has become so insulated and in another world that it means nothing to compare yourself to CNN. The thing is, you know, these models work, and this antagonism model works. So it's just kind of being recreated with other places.

players, assuming different roles. In the past, InfoWars was this insurgent avant-garde option standing against the mainstream media, and now InfoWars is basically their version of mainstream media. It's boring, repetitive, outdated, and is full of voices that are in favor of upholding the power structure. Nick is the InfoWars of the moment, but it's not because of anything that Nick did or didn't do or any credibility or value that he has. this dynamic has evolved because Alex was full of shit the whole time

if Alex and InfoWars had done their job and actually been an avant-garde voice opposing the mainstream media then he wouldn't have become a Trump sycophant and he wouldn't have put himself in a position where he'd be getting Al-Fud by a young Nazi like Nick he would have been able to maintain his cutting-edgeness Sure due to an excessive fealty to Trump in a tragic friendship with Roger Stone Alex's entirely lost the plot on what his career was supposed to be about, and the timing just couldn't be worse. The courts have given a green light to liquidating his assets, so he needs to move his customers over to the new fake company fast,

but it feels like a lot of them just might use this crash out as a reason to explore new avant-garde options like once Alex is presenting them with. I think I don't, it's so hard to know whether or not there's like an intentionality to it. sure but he's acting exactly in the same way that you would if you were intentionally just trying to funnel your audience to more extreme shit yeah yeah i mean it's it's like if you're if you're looking at where alex exists it's it's something like he took a job opening whenever he first started it's not like he created this space he walked into a space that was created for him.

If the media were blah, blah, blah, blah, then this space wouldn't exist. And the same thing is happening with Nick. He's creating the space for Nick to exist by not existing in that space. He's created this wall of like, oh, well, Nick can be here, but I can't go there. Here's where Nick is, but I can't be in that space at all. And so people are just going to migrate there as he gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Yeah, and a lot of that getting smaller and smaller is self-imposed. Yeah, exactly.

It's the same way that, like, Trump's handling of the Epstein stuff is shooting himself in the foot. Alex behaving this way around these issues in the presence of, and while interacting with someone like Nick, is shooting himself in the foot. He's just making himself clearly. appear to be the false full of shit option. Absolutely. And that's, uh, you couldn't ask for better

if you're Nick. Which is weird because it's like, man, just fucking take Nick's shit. I hate the Jews. Just move on. You know? What are you doing? I think he's afraid. I mean, absolutely he's afraid. Yeah. Which is like, that's why you lose in this game of all games.

The whole thing is just fear nothing. Is what I'm saying racist? Obviously. Is is it stupid? Of course. Is it a lie? Why wouldn't it be? And yet I still have the confidence to say it to your face. I think too much of his career has been spent in a time where there would be real social and financial consequences to being a David Duke type. They're right. David Duke suffered a lot of consequences that Alex was able to avoid largely.

Yep. And I think that I don't think he can... The wins are changing, yeah. So, you know, Trump, Trump's going after people. he's going to indict everybody and look I know that a lot of people thought that was going to happen in the first term but if you think about it Alex really never said that was going to happen a lot of you've been listening for 10 20 30 years most of you for years you've heard me tell you that there was not going to be any indictments of the deep state in the first Trump administration because I knew that sessions was weak I knew Barr was ultra bad and I understood who the players were and who they had at the head of the FBI. And Trump's admitted he wasn't very sophisticated on how Washington works because he was not an insider. And so he's learned a lot. So this is a fun little rewriting of history.

Is it? Yeah. In the lead up to the 2016 election, Jeff Sessions was one of the first people in Congress to support Trump's candidacy. And that made him a darling of the media surrogates like Roger Stone. early on roger was coming on info wars to promote the idea of sessions being trump's VP and everyone loved the dude he was a guy with principle which is what the globalists feared the most on november 18th 2016 Alex said quote he's now announced that his attorney general should he be confirmed by the senate uh senator jeff sessions that's going to happen

very honorable man could not think of a better choice that guy does not deal in politics when it comes to justice huh people better look out and let me tell you Hillary is going to be in big trouble. Jeff Sessions never compromises, never banks down, and is one of the best people we've got in our government. You shouldn't be allowed to go back and listen to it. Sessions got into office and then recused himself from the Russian election interference investigation,

which turned all of the right-wing media folks against him. They voted for Trump so he would be irresponsible with power the way they liked. So his attorney general, making a move like this, was just the definition of weak. and so the story became that they didn't ever think that Sessions was going to get things done in the first place. Alex is a little closer to write about his take about William Barr, but that was a no-brainer. The Barr was in the Bush administration and had been involved in Iran-Contra, so he was a figure that entered the scene with some baggage. Info Wars took a much more, I don't know about this type approach to his appointment, but they did still keep hope alive that Barr was going to get some indictments going.

They tried to rationalize that the only reason Trump would appoint someone like Barr, is because Barr is a closer and he knows how to get results. He knows where the bodies are buried. I mean, I thought it was because he was a cover-upper famously covering up things. I mean, potato. That's fair. Potato. Yeah.

I'll give Alex a pass about not promising that Barr would lock up all their enemies, but he's absolutely lying about not saying that Sessions was going to do that. Yeah. And the only reason you do this is because you want, like, you want that this time I'm serious. yeah energy no i mean it is it is like i think if i if i if i boil down what the the general vibe is for me it's like i have watched trump run for president for the past decade and now i'm watching him be the president and everybody's going well this was a huge mistake we should never have allowed that we liked it when he was running for president he made us feel like something

was going to happen. What he's doing is horrible. Yeah. Yeah, it should be, it should be seen as pretty universally horrible. Yeah. I mean, everybody, like, I can't wait for him to demand everyone be vaccinated and, uh, the right wing to, like, you know what? When you think about what he's done with the border. Yep. Yeah. Maybe we got to go with him on this one. Here's what we do, all right? Uh, hypnosis. I think that would work. Sure. Or just, you know, make fall asleep a lot. I mean, he's old. Yeah, that should work. He's probably fairly tired. Somebody else handle it. So Alex talks a little bit about the Trump Putin summit. Sure. That's happening in Alaska. Went great. Which Trump keeps calling Russia. Yeah. And that's fun.

That is fun. Alex is like, this is the problem with Ukraine is solved. Now, there's also huge news on the Ukraine war front, the biggest yet. And it just confirms exactly what I said. because I've followed Trump's policies. I've followed his dealmaking. I've followed what he said. People sit back and don't listen to it. If Zelensky doesn't take this deal that's already been done, it's already agreed to,

it's going to formalize it Friday in Alaska with Putin and Trump, Trump is going to cut off all the military funds, all the intelligence, that's the direction of the missiles and the weapons. We run that. We run the war. and Putin is then going to just continue to blow the living hell out of the Ukrainian military and there will be a coup by Zelensky's generals against him

one of the top generals we already know the name will be made the interim president they will then hold elections there will be a ceasefire before the elections and then the Russians will pull back that's the deal. So Alex is solidly in favor of forced regime change in Ukraine, which isn't a surprise or anything, but it's so out of line with who he's supposed to be. Staying out of war is a reasonable position for him to have on the basis of like non-interventionism, but what he's advocating for is Trump choosing a winner of the war.

Incidentally, the Trump-Pudin summit in Alaska ended with no agreement about what to do in Ukraine and resulted in Trump saying that if they don't knock it off, he'll probably put more sanctions on Russia. What are you going to do? That threat came after Russia bombed a U.S. owned factory in Ukraine that produced consumer electronics and had no connection to weapons or the war effort or anything. What are you going to do? Trump did not solve this war with that summit, and the situation Alex is describing is his fantasy of what was going to happen. And it just strikes me the same as like this war will be over in 48 hours.

Zelensky works for Putin. he's already agreed. I mean, I just imagine myself, not as, like, I don't want to be a big player in any of this, but I imagine myself in the position of somebody who's like a fairly high up aid somewhere around, who's like calling, who's getting things together. And at a certain point, I am like writing something down and I go, Trump and Putin are going to meet to talk about the Ukraine peace thing. And I just go, what am I doing?

what are any of us doing do you know how much money it costs to get these two idiots to this place in the middle of nowhere to do nothing because of course they're not going to do anything what is wrong with all of us they um uh appeared strong see so that's an achievement is that what i do as an aide is that what i am and there's police in dc what i'm trying to say is i would get out of there uh-huh that would be my my advice stay in alaska sure yeah i mean look Look, it's a harsh tundra. Sure. The snow is unforgiving. But, hey, it's predictable. You'll never have the realization that everything you've ever worked for or believed in is a lie. True. It'll just be cold.

So, look, the summit's going to happen. Sure. Everything's solved. And Alex has the position that if Trump just ends this Ukraine war, that makes his presidency worth it, just on its own. That's an interesting question. This is huge, okay? And if Trump can get this done, that alone is wonderful and it was worth getting him into office and all we've gone through. But the R of K Jr. stuff, all of it. And I've just been doing a lot of soul searching. I'm very critical to Trump when he's wrong. Get on his ass first before anybody else does. But I cannot sit back and throw the baby out with the bathwater and just become completely disillusioned and just watch the Democrats. keep all their stolen seats and keep all their illegal alien voters and have the new census and you know add 30 new seats for themselves and just the country's done and then they're coming

after all of us so we need trump to succeed and i pray to god there's no real epstein stuff there i've never seen any evidence of it most of the tractors don't believe that he's covering it up for massad and the cia who we know ran it that's not even debatable we've done that for decades that's just one of these groups doing this and i said they're gonna stab me in the back trump and I was told when he first got in seven months ago, you're not going to get the Epstein stuff. It's not going to happen. Not going to go on.

I've talked to prosecutors. Roger Stone told me that. He's now said it on the show that yes, he did say that. And that's what it is. So this is the bar that politicians need to clear now, apparently, for Alex. It's fine if you actively cover up a giant child trafficking and blackmail rings, just so long as you're not involved in a yourself. yourself, you're just doing the cover-up as a favor to the CIA and Mossad.

This shit sounds so dumb to the point where you have to wonder if Alex can even hear himself. What conspiracy in his career couldn't be justified by saying that the people in power were covering it up as a favor to the deep state because it being revealed would be too messy. Yeah. This is supposed to be a deal breaker for someone like Alex, and the fact that it's not should make everyone realize that the deal isn't what it appeared to be all this time. what he's pretended to care about isn't really what matters

and when that becomes this clear you can see what really does matter and again Alex is rewriting his own history here he definitely didn't say the Trump wasn't going to release the Epstein files and in fact promised that as soon as Kosh Patel got in as the FBI director they would be out day one he knows that his past positions destroy his current credibility so he's just pretending that he said something different in the past

in order to be like I'm real this is real this time. Right. It's fucking garbage. Sad. I can't imagine like, okay, here is what I thought was the bonus to being a libertarian. Fuck your baby.

I'm going to throw this bathwater out and another baby. That baby's not even in the bath. I'm going to throw that baby out too. Fuck all babies. Even my own baby. I don't feel obligated to feed it. Right. Yeah. That's what the, like, the Meese Institute, that was their bread and butter,

was writing articles about how if you're a parent, you're not morally obligated to give your kid clothes. It's all fucking bullshit. Society's trash. What are we doing here? Yeah, that was the fun of libertarianism. Right? Yeah.

How are you defending the government? Well, because it's really just about power. Nuts. And about power being directed in the ways that Alex wants, particularly those that make his white identity. class, feel safe. Yep. So, DC, who-hoo.

Trump put some troops, troops on the streets. I know, listen, I know it's awful. But also, you also have to know that a lot of those troops are, like, standing somewhere just going, what are we doing? What are we doing? Do we have orders? Yeah. Do we, like, arrest people? What do we arrest? How do you arrest somebody?

Yeah, there's a fair amount of milling around. confusedly. We don't know what to do. And it's totally cool. Yeah, of course. Breaking Trump places D.C. under federal control brings in National Guard to liberate capital from Democrat control. And this is the exact same type of stuff that Andrew Jackson and others did when cities fell into total riots and lawlessness.

The trail of tears. So it is not the police. state. Trump's releasing nonviolent offenders, you know, all the rest of it, reforming all sorts of drug laws, you name it. He wants the dealers in prison for life are executed, but the people using it, no, you know, get them medical help. The Democrats were the ones training under Clinton and then Obama and they happened under Bush too to fight constitutional terrorists in their main mission the main threat was militias and white supremacists and all this made up stuff and then they get up to say the number one crime in america the it's rampant white supremac killing black people

and asians what so the drug people drug users get the medical help i'm sure Alex wants the government to subsidize or pay for those programs to get them that medical help well nah probably i mean in a sense medical help could include being put inside of a very small room and held against your will. Yeah, hypothetical medical help, not actual medical help. Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I wrote thousands of words and erased thousands of words trying to sum up how fucked up it is for Alex to have the position that he has.

But it's just self-evident. Yeah. It's, there's nothing you can say descriptive. How do you describe air? It just, it's air. It's fucked up. If you and I look at this thing and you see something different, it is not my fault. No.

Alex supporting Trump taking over D.C. and his willingness to report this action as being part of, quote, liberating the city from Democrats is so far past what his definition of the police state should be that all he can really do is deny and then start ranting about how past presidents were too mean to militias and racists. I honestly can't figure out how to say anything to add a point here other than to say that Alex has no listeners left with critical thinking skills. They have been subject to a lot of bottlenecks in the past that have thinned out their ranks, but this is impossible. The only people who could possibly be left

are super old, super dumb, or Nazis who just haven't gotten the message that it's time to move on from this sinking shit. Because this is atrocious. Yeah. He, like, I don't know. There's a lot of things that I think I have in the past said, well, this invalidates his entire career.

Sure. But, like, he's made so many films called police state. It's literally, I mean, it's literally a police state. Because, one, D.C. is its own state. Mm-hmm. Right? It's not a, like, independent state. It's its own thing, right? It is in totality covered by police and national guard people. From other states, no less. Yeah, exactly. National Guard troops from other states who Trump is called in.

Yeah, I mean, what else is there to say? What's weird about it? Here's what's weird about it, right? This feels like bad dictatoring because if I'm open with what I want from, if I'm, if I'm I'm dictating, right? I'm the bad guy. If I'm open about what I want from these people, I'm getting the oath keepers. I'm hiring thugs. What I want is people to feel a general sense of terror, right? But if I've got professional national guardsmen who actually give a shit about what they do,

they're more going to be like, how can I help you, ma'am? Like, that's what they do. There might be a blend of oathkeepers within those wrecks. Well, see, that's the problem with ICE, is that I think oathkeepers are getting hired by the millions. That might be. Yeah. I think if you're a dictator, you might start with this and then bring in. You know, like you might replace them.

Sure, get people to trust the people and then replace them with thugs. Yeah. Well, that's possible. Yeah, I don't know. We're bad dictators. There's a lot of options. Well, it's not an interest of mine. Me neither.

I haven't really. I haven't thought about it too much. So, Alex, one of the things that you notice watching this is like, as he's talking about how cool. it is that DC's been taken over. It's super cool. He can't really talk about it without drifting deep into some feelings about race. Sure. And so, you know, you already saw it in that last clip.

He's already drifting into, like, feelings about, oh, they call us white supremacists. There's no white supremacist murders. And he can't disentangle this. Every once in a while, some crazy white supremac goes and kills some innocent black people. And, man, it is the end of the end. of the world. It's all you ever hear about, but it is statistically incredibly rare. I've looked the numbers up. If you average out white supremac killing black people over the last 20 years, it's about five black people a year. And that's too many. But I mean,

it is, it is like finding a four-leaf clover or something. I mean, it is rare, rare, rare, rare, rare, rare, rare. But now, oh, Marshall, oh my gosh, ICE, it's illegal. They're arresting illegals. Pellate courts codes completely constitutional. And D.C. is scary. You can see that Alex's view, that he views Trump's takeover of D.C. as a racial crime-related thing, since he's trying to use the infrequency of white supremacist murders to invalidate the claim that what's happening in D.C. is the police state.

I think it's important for us to take a moment to think about what the police state means, because on some level, Alex does have a few technicalities that he can play around with here, but he shouldn't be allowed to and he shouldn't want to. On a purely technical level, Trump taking over the Metropolitan Police Department is not illegal. It's within the powers of the president to declare an emergency and federalize it under his authority, and that emergency state continuing past the intended 48-hour window is totally legal because this emergency was declared when Congress was adjourned.

The idea that there's a lot of crime in D.C. is a, it's a thin excuse to declare an emergency. But if that's what Trump considers an emergency and what Alex is willing to defend as requiring calling in the National Guard, that's their prerogative. I strongly disagree and I would argue against that stance. But if that's the position they want to take, then that's where it stands. Federalizing the D.C. police and calling in the National Guard to engage in domestic policing in D.C. is not technically illegal, but I think anyone looking at this honestly would have to say that it's an escalation of the police state. National Guard troops and federalized police are patrolling public transit and district streets.

They've set up checkpoints in multiple occasions. They're confiscating guns and they're arresting people for petty crimes and doing immigration roundups. This is the police state. And if Alex wants to defend that on technicalities and pretend that local crime in D.C. is a good reason to declare an emergency requiring multiple states national guard forces responding, then that's on him. He can take that stance if he wants.

It's easy for him to just say, no. this isn't the police state stuff, but I've watched his documentaries. There's multiple that include the title, Police State. Yeah. I know what he thinks about this. Just building a big road was part of being the police state. Sure. Yeah.

Or like FEMA doing their job. Sure. Alex is very stupid and really lazy. So I often give him more benefits of the doubt than he deserves because a lot of the time, it doesn't really matter whether he's operating from a place of idiocy or malice. The effect is the same. He deserves zero leeway on this. should recognize that him making excuses for Trump taking over D.C.

is a stain on his entire career. This is the moment his character was made for. If you look at the world, this is when Alex Jones, why you have one. Well, there's a pedophile billionaire in the White House with a very small group of other pedophile billionaires who run the world. Who's creating a fake emergency in order to militarize the police and the Capitol. Yep. Like, this is the point of having somewhat, like, putting.

up with the negative externalities of having an Alex Jones in the world. Yep. And because these circumstances are coming to bear, you can see how fake it was the whole time. Yeah. Never meant any of it. No. Just wanted power and white identity.

I mean, ironically, what's so funny is that he is proving true something that he's often said is like, you know, if I was right, they would kill me. If I were anything but what I am, I would be dead by now. I would be on, this is the perfect time to kill me. I'm very killable at this exact moment. But it turns out, I'm not that scary. It is one of the things that I hate the most, like throughout my life, one of the things that I hate the most is just not being willing to take responsibility

for wanting to and being that guy. Like, he wants to be and be the guy who's like, it's all right if he does that shit. But he doesn't want to take responsibility for that. being that guy. He doesn't want to be accountable for being that guy. He just wants to vacation there so he can get away with this bullshit and then go back to being whatever he fuck. I hate that shit. I hate that shit. Yeah. Just do it. The person that he pretends to be and wants to be is someone that has to make really, really difficult choices. And oftentimes they go against

what would be in their direct self-interest. Exactly. He does not want to make those choices that go against his own self-interest, but wants to still wear the hat. Which is, it's sad. Which is like, in a gestalt sense, you are making the wrong choice. What is the choice that's for your best interests, is the choice that paradoxically looks like it's not the choice

for your best interest at this moment in time. Right. Yeah. Like Bill Cooper dying the way he did is the right choice. Exactly. For him. For him. Even though it's a horrible, horrible choice.

it is the right choice. Yes. Because it completes the totality of the man. He doesn't have to continue on in a career that will, you know, make him into what Alex is now. Right. You're defending the thing that was the devil for your whole career. I mean, it's insane. Stupid.

It's just insane. But DC is scary. There's crime. I've been in Detroit. And they say it's super scary. I've been in different areas. No? not really statistically you know some crime i grew up in dallas when it was the murder capital of the

u.s off and on between chicago so i mean they had like 14 murders a day when i was a kid and i mean it was like muggings all over and carjackings and home invasions and not i mean it was pretty wild and dc scarier than growing up in the dallas in the 80s so in my opinion i mean let me tell you don't go around walking around at night you sure as hell look over your shoulder and and if you want to be if you want to have some racist stuff said to you because you're white that's the place to go oh my god it's gonna happen so a few years back i was seeing someone who lived in dc so i spent a fair amount of time there and i'll say that this does not match my experience of dc but again you can see how much of alex's feelings about trump taking over dc has to do with his feelings about race

he thinks that the black people in D.C. aren't nice enough to white people, so you've got to call in the National Guard. That's basically what he's saying. I mean, you know, you eat in the same restaurant and then here we are. As to his point about growing up in Dallas, first off, there was absolutely not 14 murders a day in Dallas in the 80s. 1988 was the year of that decade that had the highest total number of murders,

and it was 366 for the whole year. Right. But the question there is, would Alex have supported the National Guard coming in to police Dallas when he was a kid? Is he expecting me to think that his John Birch Society-ass family would have been cheering on the feds, taking control of the city because crime was out of control?

No way. Man, 14 dead a day is a lot, though. But it's not real. No, I understand it's not real, but that would be, that would be maybe crazy enough that you're like, whatever's going on right now is not working, you know? Sure. That's so many.

It is a lot. It's a lot. It's quite a few. Again, hypothetical because none of this was happening. No. So, of course, it would be insane to do that. Yeah. I also think that, you know, it's hard to wrap your mind around numbers because of, like, the vastness of cities.

Sure, absolutely. But 14 would still be pretty high. 14, like, what? What's that? Almost 3,000, 5,000 people a year? Yeah. In a city like Dallas? Mm-hmm.

You know somebody who's been. murdered this year if that's who you are you know what I'm saying like you it is affected you you're one out of eight people who know somebody who's been murdered that's the statistics on that right you almost like COVID yeah everybody would be like Jesus Christ there's so many fucking murders yeah yeah so Alex thinks that this is gonna work I mean work to do what what is the goal though scare homeless people there we go no instead they're out actually aiding the police eyes and ears, and just their presence is going to make crime drop dramatically. And Trump tells the homeless, the city isn't here for you.

We're not rolling out the red carpet anymore, and most cities do that. Places like Austin, San Francisco, and D.C. advertises the place to come. And so it's like Day of the Dead in Austin, Texas, since they did this six years ago. Day of the Dead all over the place homeless people constantly in my parents' backyard banging on my daughter's condo door trying to get in all the time

it's not even a bad area it used to be a nice area and now it's like zombie land and Hispanic hummus, black hummus white hummus all have been in my parents' backyard.

High as kites. Crapping. Throwing garbage everywhere. Oh, yeah. You get a schizophrenic one comes up to your door. Looks like Charlie Manson with crap running down their legs. And all the NGOs giving them all the money. So I guess Alex thinks that the feds should come take over Austin too then, right?

I guess. I mean, like what he's describing is like, this is out of control. Well, this is, that's what you need the National Guard for. Yeah. There's too many scary unhoused people around. So you've got to get troops on the street bothering everyone. Yeah. This is a real cool, libertarian, cool, small government, anti-federal, states rights, kind of dude.

Because it's like, it's not like the metropolitan police department isn't armed equally as well as the National Guard. Like they've got, they're outfitted. They've got tanks and shit. Well, I mean, yeah, that's a lot of the police state stuff that Alex used to be quite critical of. Right, right. We're all very unhappy that the military sold all of their useless war of Iraq shit to all of our cops, right? Because now they have a lot of weapons. Sure.

Right? So, like, what are you guys up to, man? What are you going to do? What are you got, what are you going to? But, like, seriously, as an ultimate, okay, how about this? How about we do this? We make a bet, right? like we're going to just let you do this shit you do the National Guard shit I don't give a shit about the law do the National Guard shit for a year we study it we everything is perfectly mapped out and if it works then it's fine but if it doesn't work we can never do it again well you know yeah I think you'd run into everyone bickering about like what the stats are what they mean I think you I think you would end up with kind of maybe an unfortunately

meaningless data set that wouldn't tell you if this actually achieved whatever goal you want it to or not an argument could be made in both directions probably based on whatever the results are it'll have to be me you can't do it anymore ever okay there we go this also might be dicey not yet um so i i just think that alex uh just wants poor people uh to be rounded up i don't know Cool. At least we're spending money on them somehow. Now, admittedly, it's not helping them. It's paying somebody else to hurt them. But we are investing in our population if you think about it. That's a very optimistic view. See, I'm an optimistic guy.

So, look, there's tyranny in the world. Sure. But what about the tyranny of crime? Maybe we need someone to free us from the tyranny of crime. I think it's possible to be crime, tyranny because the law is the tyranny. No, not anymore. Oh, okay.

Crime is the tyranny and Trump is going to save us. In L.A. in places the cops get in trouble if they arrest people dealing drugs. And it's gotten like that in Austin with Jose Garza, our open communist Soros DA. So, yeah. No, no, the tyranny is the crime explosion and our reporter getting executed by some Mexican and a black supremacist. who all bragged about it. We kill that white son of the bitch. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

People La Raza, kill the cracker. It's in the indictment. Carjacking's all the time right around the studio. Six years ago, almost no crime. Nice area. Hellhole. And the state police aren't trained right. When the governor put them in,

they just write tickets. They're real good at, you know, Well, you do her five miles over the speed limit. Let's pull you over. And I'm just like, I'm going to give you a warning, Alex. But I'm like, can't you go? They're selling crack a mile down the road right here. I know, we're just here to patrol.

And we pull over a lot of cars and stop. We've caught some people. We pull them over. I'm like, great. Thanks a lot, man. Yeah, I mean, come on. You got literal crack heads, like 50 yards away, actually, in the woods. and you're going to pull me over

five miles over the speed limit. Okay, whatever. Knock yourself out. So, yeah, we're just showing some images of Austin. So thank God for Trump. And he's doing the right thing, and it's beautiful, and it's all constitutional. Here's what he had to say today.

Very serious purpose. Something's out of control, but we're going to put it in control very quickly like we did on the southern border. I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam, and squalor, and worse. So one of the people arrested for killing Alex's reporter, Jamie White, did record a song that mentioned killing that white guy. But because it's Jamie White's last name, it's very difficult

to tell if they were referencing his skin color or his name. Alex has naturally taken it as a racial attack, because that's how he experiences everything, to the point where I guess Mexican supremacists and black supremacists were working together to kill his employee. Sure. Bridging a gap? I mean, you know, it's nice to see people working together. Overcoming their differences. Yeah, absolutely.

It's kind of an inspiring story if you think about it. So we can tell from Alex's actions that police state stuff really isn't that important to him because if it were, this would be a bridge that he just couldn't cross. Fill in the blank with whatever explanation you want, but the bottom line is that he, if he ever really cared about this stuff from a principal standpoint, his behavior would be different now. From that data point, it's helpful to go back and see what insight you can have about other positions that he used to push around this stuff.

If Alex really never cared that much about police state stuff and federalizing of the National Guard, then what was actually, what was he actually mad about? What were the actual positions that he was trying to hide behind that facade of police state outrage? Spoiler alert, it was mostly just racism and attacking public spending to protect the wealth of the elites. that's basically what all of this was a mask for. Yeah, I mean, there's no other way to say it.

But if ever there was going to be a universal, like, well, January 6 wasn't that bad of an idea. It's going to be now. Like, there's, it's a police state in D.C. What do you want? What do you want? No. You know, like whatever argument you want to have, what do you want? The real police state was Trump not winning in 2020.

That you, hey, if that's what you want to say, that's fine. but do you know what that also includes? This right now. It still includes this right now. Trump is going to save us from the tyranny of crime. But that's what I'm saying. But even then, it still includes this right now. So all of the things that made you do January 6th, right, are now, but more.

Right. But also, let's take a little moment to step back and realize that the reasons they did January 6th aren't what you're... Wait, hold on. Yeah. So, okay. I don't think they were telling the truth. No, I think they might not have been on the level. I think they might not have been on the level.

Yeah, almost like all these fucks are liars. Oh, my God. Anyway, Trump talks here a little bit. He's giving his announcement. And I like that he says that the Capitol has been taken over by wild youths. Sure. Our Capitol City has been overtaken by violent gangs and bloodthirsty criminals roving mobs of wild youth, drugged out maniacs and homeless people. And we're not going to let it happen anymore.

or we're not going to take it. Yeah, I live in a pretty good part of Austin. And I drive to work sometimes at five, six in the morning. And they'll just be people running half naked with baseball bats just across the highway. Warriors! And then I get down to the office. And, I mean, I've seen people running around like machetes, baseball bats, just attacking each other on the side of the road.

And I mean, some mornings when I guess they're really wound up, I mean, I'll see it multiple times Like I'm in Grand Theft Auto I'm just driving along I've got my gun out And I'm sorry? Oh, that red light It's going to red light

Oh, there's two crazies right there I'm just like, oh, let me get my gun I don't want to have to shoot anybody But I mean, it is, they are on fentanyone methamphetamine That sounds insane Wow, yeah Man, here's what I love about everybody Who's ever been like, oh Chicago

There's so much gun violence Man, I have never felt like I should drive around with a brandished gun out the window. When you drive over here to record, you never once was like up? You're not just holding? I just better be, I just better have this pointed out the window.

Because who knows what could happen? Well, but here's the thing. Alex isn't either. No, of course not. He's making this up. Of course. This is ridiculous. I've seen so many videos that he's shot himself

of him driving around. Yeah. He's not holding a gun. No. He's casually driving around because... In a nice car. Yeah. He's trying to create the image

of that LP video, Deep Space 9mm, where everybody's got a gun to. Yeah, everybody's just pointing a gun at each other all this time. This is what it's like. This is how it has to be in order to keep the peace. It's not. You're driving around recording yourself, posing down Twitter.

You're fine. There is no way that the writer of Death Wish should become the president. You know what I mean? Like Charles Bronson going around solving crime by himself. I just learned the other day that they remade Death Wish. Oh, God. I didn't realize that.

I must have known and then forgotten, but Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis? Yeah. Bruce Willis will never beat Charles. Bronson was perfect for that. Yeah. It also, this is a crazy thing to say. Okay.

But the remake looks so much more violent than the first one. Which is weird. The first one is really not that violent. No, no, no, no. He kills, like, I think, one or two people. Yeah. I mean, it's in any way you could describe it. It's more like probably an overreaction, but an understanding.

understandable one. Death Wish 2 is when it's like, oh, this guy's just a murder. Incorrect. Is it Death Wish 3? 3 is whenever he's just basically mowing people down, like hot shots part do. Yeah, 3 is where it gets out of hand. Gotcha. But I saw the trailer for the remake because I was thinking about watching it.

Yeah. And I was like, I think what they just must have done is compressed all of them into this remake. Right. And I think that sucks. anyway Alex does seem to think that he's living in the Warriors yeah that sounds right

nuts that sounds fun and he also thinks that all of these other gangs in New York all these fun dressed up gangs yeah they all just hate him because he's white yeah that makes sense so this all ties together I want to just get this on record because it's absolutely true and I thought I ought to give this to McBrain or somebody we ought to take this guy's video like we like to do

and upgrade it and just add history and documents to it so you know all the specifics. He does a good job, but, I mean, you could make a whole movie about this, but notice there really aren't any movies. There's like one movie about it. Because that doesn't fit the narrative. You know, well, the only place is slavery still around is in some places the Middle East and Africa.

And Somalia, they're famous slavers. Elon Omar comes from a famous noble family in their... There you go. It doesn't even... You're going to name it. they see blacks in the Quran as quote raisin heads and they would they would take the black men and cut their genitals off as slaves sure that's the Muslims okay but they preach Islam in the in the in the prisons and the imam don't read that part of the Quran to you naturally and and I'm not trying to attack blacks that want to be

Muslims or whatever but this is please my point is please please stop saying I'm a white devil because of the color of my skin. Actually, kind of a pink devil. A little bit of a red devil, actually. The point is that I'm tired of it, and I'm not going to bow down to it. But it's the globalist and the media and Hollywood doing this to get us to kill each other.

And it's stupid. But you have large groups of young black men who really believe it's open season on whites because of the culture and the media. Remember when they had some of the Afrikaners, only 80 of them coming here, and they had all these black commentators on TV that are supposedly educated.

saying they try to be racist to me I'm gonna beat the hell out of them this is going like the Afrikaners get off and go you work for me black man that is what they do yes they hide out on their farms they're totally scared to death and have a bunch of black people that love them that are Christian

that defend them oh boy so just a little side note at the beginning Alex is literally talking about stealing and improving a video made by a black life coach about how white people didn't create slavery yeah like he has no concern about intellectual property that this guy might have.

And also, I really do think the funny, it's a funny idea conceptually, just that he's like, I could do that better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is an exemplification of the very thing that is, it's impossible to wrap your head around, really. So this is also very instructive because this is still an offshoot of the conversation about Trump taking over D.C. On a very basic level, Alex supports Trump taking over the city because he sees it as predominantly

black. So this extension of the police state is going in the direction that he supports. Yeah. I've said it many times, and I'll say it again, Alex does not care about the idea of a tyrannical state as long as he feels like the groups that he considers himself a part of are not targeted by it. If the government is worried about militias and Nazis, then the police state is the biggest issue in the world and something as minor as FEMA trying to prepare for a natural disaster is proof of an evil plot. If the government is full of militia types and Nazis, then the police state isn't that big of a problem and it's fully justified by how much crime Alex sees people pose. videos of on Twitter and it's just nonsense pretending there's anything much deeper than that to his like core beliefs is a fool like it's a little i mean that there's the national guard is called into dc to cover the place how do you not just go like ah fuck like that would be my whole show

that would be my whole show everything up to this point i'd be like ah i tried with the epstein stuff i gave it a shot. You know, I tried to light it through that. And then what about the butter? Yeah, I mean, the butter's a problem. You know, the devil's an issue. But you know what? Fuck, man. Fuck that. That's just, it's comically far. Yeah. No, it's too far. It's like it's almost personal. It feels like if I was Trump and I was like, you know what would really make me fucking laugh is to sometimes just every now and again watch a clip of Alex Jones having to defend the absolute worst shit I've ever done. Yeah, that'd be hilarious. I imagine it would be really funny if Trump did, like, the state of the union and he just made two frogs kiss. Absolutely.

Yes, totally. Pushing frogs up against each other. I would support if the next president just wanted to antagonize one person through all of what he does, that would be better than what we have currently. And so I will, according to the rules of Hillary Clinton, vote for the lesser of two evils. sure yeah so Alex was talking a little bit the Afrikaners there yeah that was great I think you should talk more about the Afrikaners if you're a white supremacist well good he does great and then roving bands of non-Christian communists come and kill the blacks and the whites of South Africa you don't know anything dumbass the blacks are all battling to prove themselves and go live on the farms

with the white people they're like they're Amish dumbboes that's literally what they are they went to America. They went to South America. They went and found Hawaii. The King of Hawaii gave Amish a whole island. They called the Forbidden Island. Look it up. They're Amish there today. And only the Amish and the natives live there with no electricity. I was invited out there. I don't have time to do it.

So this isn't true at all, but it speaks to Alex's belief in white supremacy and his fundamental support for the world of colonialist times. Sure. Afrikaners are not Amish. They're descended from mostly Dutch settlers who were servants of the Dutch East India Company. On account of the Afrikan that being a... Yeah. The Dutch Reformed Church made a foothold there in South Africa, but over time a split developed in the church and a new Dutch Reformed Church of South Africa began, which was

distinct in many ways. At the root, though, reformed churches are churches that are inspired by Calvinist doctrine and are built around the idea that man is a slave to sin and cannot escape by choice or will. Only those who God has chosen to help can be saved, and these are the elect. These teachings were introduced by John Calvin, a French theologian who was alive in the early 1500s. Conversely, the Amish grew out of the Anabaptist Reformation that went down in Switzerland, also in the 1500s. The radical departure that the Anabaptists made from the existing church was that they all, only practiced baptism of believers, which is to say you had to be an adult to be baptized.

The act of being baptized is a holy agreement between yourself and God, and when you're a child, you can't possibly enter that agreement by your own free will and understanding, so child baptism is meaningless. The Calvinist tradition practices infant baptism and is not part of the Anabaptist tradition that spread into the Amish and Mennonite churches that Alex would be vaguely familiar with. Beyond the fact that their histories and theological lineages are completely separate. There's also just fundamental differences between what these churches believe and how they practice their faith. The forbidden island in Hawaii is Nihau, and it's

privately owned. The census says that there's 170 people living on the island, but it's entirely under the control of the Robinson family, who are descendants of a rich Scottish farmer named Elizabeth Sinclair. She bought Nihihau from the Kingdom of Hawaii for 10,000 bucks in gold in 1864, and it's passed down through the family ever since. They are somewhat conservative, but I really don't think they would have invited Alex to visit the island. It just doesn't seem right. It's a complex thing here, where this family has complete control over the island, and they make a bunch of money letting the military have a post there, but the flip side of it is that they're conservationists, and part of their ownership involves allowing the native

population on the island to continue to live there unimpeded and rent-free. Over the the years they've allowed half-day visits to the island for tourists and hunters for a price, but it's always been strictly forbidden to interact with the locals who would be on the other side of the island from where any visitors would be anyway. Sure. It's kind of bullshit because the family also imposes a bunch of artificial rules on the native population, like not allowing drinking or smoking and not allowing men to grow beards. So what they're doing is more or less allowing an artificial remnant of knee-how culture to

remain as long as it conforms to what they want it to be. Oh, God. A lot of these people on the island work to maintain the military installation, so it's not a wholly benevolent act for the family to allow them to live on the island, since if they didn't do that, they'd have to find another source of labor to facilitate the base that allows them to get the rent. So there's a lot of speculation that the 170 number on the census is an overcounting, and there might be only like 50 people living on Niihau. So it could be the case that a very significant portion of the population. is employees there to maintain the base and keep the family getting the rent from the U.S. government and contracts

and all that stuff. I like the idea of calling them somewhat conservative. That's funny to me. Because to me, there's no line once you go, I should keep holding this island. You are fully on the other side of the, you know, I don't need a somewhat in there. You own an island.

and have been, have, roughly speaking, somewhat enslaved its people. I'm judging this based sort of on the fact that they're still, people who live there are technically still U.S. citizens and so can vote. Sure, sure. It's a very small number of people who end up voting. Yeah. And they have voted pretty, pretty Republican. Funny how that works.

Yeah. Funny. It's all very messy, and I don't trust any of this. But whatever the case is, Elizabeth Sinclair was not Amish and neither are her descendants. There we go. Alex just likes colonialism, and he's tying himself into knots to explain it in some other way than just we, white people should be running everything. I mean, I genuinely just will never understand anybody who's like, oh, yeah, this island should be mine. I don't know.

I see both ends of it. I think my idealistic side agrees with you. Sure, sure. But I also like, I don't know, once we start entering into that conversation, like, all land ownership becomes dicey. Yeah, it does. And doesn't it? Yeah. No.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree in idealistic terms. Sure. With a lot of that. But functionally, I don't know how we get there from here. I'm fine with that.

We don't need to go too far. How about this? We compromise on. you can't just have your own island. Sure. Yeah. I think that one's fair. Except Epstein.

Yeah, he gets to keep it. Weirdly enough. So, Alex has a guest on the show. Yeah. And it is a fellow we haven't seen a little bit. A real nutbag. And he kind of, he's the kind of person who gives me hope that Steve Pachanick could make a research. Because this guy was gone for a while too.

All right. Patrick. is a very interesting person. He's worked and done U.S. intelligence and a lot of high-level stuff. He's also started in huge, successful, multi-billion-dollar companies. Dr. Patrick M. Byrne, Patrick Byrne on X,

deepcapture.com, major films made about his work and his very intriguing life. And I'm not going to go over his lengthy curriculum. But all the rest of it. I'm not proud. He's here to talk about Venezuela and how it ties into the Democratic. overall plan to steal elections and how it ties it to the gerrymandering, the redistricting. You can't be any less serious than interviewing Patrick Byrne in 2025.

We haven't talked about him in a while because he was a little too out there for Alex to associate with during the fallout of the 2020 election conspiracies. He was way too closely connected to people like Sidney Powell who were getting sued all over the place and becoming punchlines, so he became a much less important figure in this media. to give you a little refresher on him, Byrne founded Overstock.com, but he resigned in 2019 when it came out that he'd been in a relationship

with Russian spy Maria Bettina. She pled guilty to conspiracy to act as an unregistered foreign agent, infiltrating organizations like the NRA on behalf of the Russian government and creating back channel connections between these figures and the government. She and Byrne were involved,

which he claimed only happened because the FBI had asked him to date her, a claim which the FBI strongly denies. Oh, no, that sounds true. She served a few months in jail and then was deported to Russia in 2019, where she went on to work for RT. Yeah. In 2021, she was elected to the Russian Duma, but her candidacy was almost derailed by revelations made by now dead Alexi Navalny that Byrne was still sending her large sums of cash in 2021. So.

What's you going to do? Patrick Byrne is a fucking mess. And Alex better hope he's paying for this airtime because the alternative is that he actually wants to talk to Patrick Byrne about Venezuela. I mean, it feels like this is out of the blue. It feels like if I'm booking my show and what's going on is going on right now and Patrick Byrne is like available with Venezuela talk, I'm like, buddy, not the time. But if Patrick Byrne is available with a lot of money and Venezuela talk, you got all the time of the world.

Yeah. I think that the way the vibe that this interview goes to is that like Alex does not. not seem that engaged at the beginning, and then realizes I can work with this. All right. And becomes, like, pretty excited as he realizes like, oh, wait, the Venezuela stuff connects to all the smartmatic and dominion conspiracies. I can fold your shit into my shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so he gets on board more as it goes along. But it does feel like I'm just talking to this ding dong at the beginning. That's why you get the crazies, though, because then you can fold in some real craziness, you know? He doesn't have the creative juices anymore. These people are coming out of nowhere with fringe ideas. What about the butter? Exactly.

So you want a fringe idea? Hell yeah. Here's a fringe idea. Let's do it. Well, that's what, and I mean, Vance, I know Vance and people, he's a very serious guy and a very smart person. Is he? And very measured. But he doesn't go on Foxes and say, no, a bunch of people are getting a dotted is happening.

And so. I think the only thing to do is to replace. the top 3,000 people in the government with ex-military from Socom or the Marines. You have to start with people you can trust. And there's a whole layer. All the lawyers, the politicos,

they're just all soft scum. The first rule is you've got to get the right people in place. And the only people you can trust at this point are ex-O-com or Marines, I think. Historically speaking, I mean, this is good. Historically speaking,

when the top 3,000 people in your government are all military or ex-military, you're going to have a good time. Yeah. No, it works. You're going to have a grand time. They're the trustworthy people. Yeah. I think just that conversation happening is fucking stupid.

You know what I think? Military Junta. How you feel? I mean, someone like Alex, who really worries about the police state, really worries about tyranny. Right. Small government. Right. Well, this would be a smaller government of just 3,000 people, all of whom.

I think, oh, we, well, I think that would be more than $3,000. Sure, sure, sure. You know, they would keep the other people on. I assume those people would want to work for the military unit to. I don't know if want comes into it. That's a fair point. So Epstein comes up. Sure.

And Alex is like, this Trump and Epstein stuff. Yeah. And Patrick Byrne. I mean, he was a really rich guy. He ran overstock. Absolutely. Yeah. So he reveals.

That he knew Epstein? No. Oh. He almost went to Epstein Island. He almost did it as an assassination mission. Oh, hell yes. Epstein, I've never seen any evidence of Trump and anything to do with that. And then his behavior, the last 37 days, creating a strides in effect, he's not stupid.

What the hell's going on there from his horses? I don't think he was, I don't think he's, I don't think he's been filmed on Epstein Island. You know, I've seen about two months before he was arrested. tried very hard to get me to come to Epstein Island. Did I ever tell you that one? No. I had this plan to go out and I figured, well, I figured, well, I figured I'll accept it and go out and murder him.

And then, and we'll go for a long swim. I'm a long distance swimming. And I figured I would get him out swimming and I could drown him. And I got in a pool with a guy about my size, and it turns out to be really a lot tougher to drown somebody. And then I found out about the cameras, that there were cameras everywhere. And they said, you're never going to get away with it, so I didn't go murder him. But he tried very hard.

And that's because the CIA knew what I, had and what I already knew and they didn't, so they were going to try to blackmail me. So about a month before he got arrested, I had three, very strong overtures. People claim all the way to Utah to say, gosh, this Jeffrey Epstein, don't believe what you hear about him.

He's a wonderful guy. He's got this big trading room. He really wants to meet you, Pat. He really wants you to come out and talk to you. By the way, he's really good friends with Bill Gates. Don't believe what you're hearing. He's tied into all these elites. You've got to come see his trading room. He really wants to meet you. This dude's nuts. Here's what I like about that

story and i hope you caught what i caught let's see all right um in his i'm going to drown epstein story the reason he does not drown epstein is because he got a large man in a pool comma turns out it's very hard to drown someone comma that's why i didn't go murder well no that's not actually true you're you were not listening closely enough because this large man in a pool is a difficult this is a challenge but he could have risen to that challenge but he could have risen to I don't know. It was the cameras. The cameras were why he didn't do it.

Sure. I think the cameras are a good way to say that, but come on, the camera, you're out, you're a long-distance swimmer and there are cameras out that far. A drone cameras. Listen, if you had the gumption and the ability to strangle a large man in a pool, Epstein would have been dead. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

He was afraid and he was weak. No. See, this is glass half full, glass half empty kind of thinking. I think that if he hadn't found out about the cameras He would have worked on his drowning skills Okay, okay I'm not saying that you're wrong It's the cameras that were the deal breaker

Not I won't argue Not that it's hard to drown someone in a pool Patrick Byrne is an achiever No no I understand You started a multi-billion dollar business I get you What I think is funnier about that Is not that he could or could not have drowned this man

It is that he had the idea I'll go drown Epstein, but he's not going off half-cocked. No. We're going to practice first, of course. You don't want to get out there and realize in the moment this is too hard. Oh, shit, I can't drown anybody. Yeah, that's embarrassing. So if we're talking about a premeditated attempted murder,

it doesn't get more obvious than when you've got a man in the pool trying to drown him for practice drowning people. Right, yeah. I imagine what actually happened was that Patrick Byrne had done a little too much coke and tried to drown someone in a pool and now it's come up with a story to explain I was practicing for a few that would be listen

that would be of all the reasons to get fake drowned I think I might accept that one yeah so Alex talks about how like Roger Roger told him all along that Trump was never going to really stay upstein stuff just wasn't happening no why would Trump

come out and create a stride's hand effect and say he killed himself and don't ask questions of you're dumb he has to know that would create a giant strategy. And the fact, why? Well, I don't think he's in the tapes and his lawyer and all kinds of people who would know have said he's not involved.

Oh, yeah, even Cohen hates him, says he's not. Yeah, I think... He worked there a decade and said he never heard a call from Epstein. Maybe there's other people involved, and... That's what I was told by Roger Stone, off record. Now he's been public. He told me, Robin Trump got reelected. He said, you're never getting it because the CIA was involved

with your buddies at the Mossad, and they don't want to come out. Yeah, that would be my guess. I don't have any side and side information on that one. Well, I just know it is the fiasco of fiascos. So this is an explanation that Alex is offering for how it's possible that Trump would cover up the Epstein stuff, but not be directly involved in it. But I don't think he understands how unacceptable this explanation is. If Trump is covering it up, then he's complicit with these people.

He's chosen their interests over justice and disclosure because holding the people involved responsible would be too disruptive. This is horrible shit, but Alex is able to present it as exonerating Trump because the alternative is considering that maybe Trump was best friends with a serial child predator for a number of years. I don't know if it means anything, but I was fascinated by Alex's telling of what Roger told him. Like, why does Alex say that Roger called Mossad your buddies? I get that it's a joke, but it's a weird joke. It is a weird joke. Yeah.

It's not really a joke. It's not funny. I guess it's absurdist or like, no, I don't get it. Well, it hinges on either Alex hating Mossad or working for them. Right, exactly. Those are the ways that a joke could be leveraged there. It would have to be. And I don't know what the, I don't know what the angle is.

Maybe it's because people say he works for Mossad and that's his. It might be Roger fucking with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that works. But then if it's Roger fucking with him, then why is Alex repeating that in his telling of the story? It's weird. They're such weird people. They are. Yeah.

But they're salesmen. That is true. And so it comes time to get some of the methylene blue sales going. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And, man, Patrick fucks up. Uh-oh. This is no good.

And then there's so much of the news I haven't hit. Now, you want to do the plug, and I appreciate this. I do. I came in saying, I want more methylene blue. And then I looked over when you went on the ear, you'd already slurped some down. Your mouth was blue. I said, your pop a smurf. So, so, Patty Byrne.

How much does the correct amount to put? in about that much yeah i mean Kennedy does three droppers this is really strong you gave me some last time i think you gave it on air and i thought it was a gimmick or you know snake oil you totally feel the difference i use the bottle who gave me it's great it totally makes it you can feel it it uh it just keeps your energy level up and plateaued without bongs so i love it i used the bottle you gave me and i came back to austin just to pick up in a pump well you can always get it at the alexsshore dot com but we'll certainly give you all you want we also have the cat but we have the strongest medical grade.

So Patrick thought that what he was doing was saying that Alex's products aren't like the other things you find in the market, which are all snake oil. What he failed to realize is the implication here is that when Alex suggested something, Patrick didn't take it seriously. Patrick's known Alex for a long time. So his first assumption when he hears Alex selling a product is that it's snake oil and that it's a gimmick, and I don't care. I'm not interested.

He meant well because he didn't realize this is what he was saying. but it doesn't sit well with Alex so after they plug their way out to a commercial they come back from a pre-recorded methylene blue ad and then this happens they're gonna do a second take oh no they're gonna have a little therapy session uh oh Patrick I'm not trying to get you to plug

though I am now you got cut off of the break you were saying we got cut off you didn't come here to do a plug I wasn't thinking about methylene blue I brought it up and said Alex would you let me tell your viewers what an experience I had well I love you and you're really smart guy you've been totally vindicated everything you've ever said so I'm really impressed I always liked you but you know I can tell you were a spook before I ever came out in the news I was still always a little

paranoid about any of that stuff but I'm a little hurt though that you're like oh I remember you're you were you were reticent I said you want to try some of this you're like really what is it you know I was like no no no and I'm a little hurt though that you would think that it would be snake oil I knew it was a snake oil but I don't know I understand but I mean listen everything we sell I want is working and is good that's what I want I mean I'm going to serve dog shit to people there to come back. But I mean, this thing is the most dramatic, quick acting, and it's good for you. It's just insane. And if I could just get a few more percentage of the audience to buy it, all our problems will be solved. You know, I'm back in state court Wednesday.

Okay. Oh, my God. Coming off a little week here. That's amazing. A little defensive. I do like, I do like it. Because the old, you know, the, it's a common trope in marketing. The, the like, well, I was skeptical too, but now I'm a believer, you know, but there's a way to do it. And then there's a way to be like, Alex, you're a lying piece of shit. But you know what? This works. The way you're supposed to do it is I've tried other methylene blues. Exactly.

And I just, you know, it didn't do what it promised. Yep. I took yours. I didn't think it was going to work because of my experience with other bad versions of this product. Yep. Not, hey, Alex, you suggested something and I thought it was snake oil. Every time I buy something from you, it's bullshit. Right.

So I assumed that the next time I bought something from you, it would also be. be bullshit. Or like, let's take the buying away from it because I don't necessarily believe any of these people were buying. He didn't buy any of the yeah, absolutely. I just am on this side of the business. So I'm not an idiot. I don't fall for your stick. Yeah. And so I wasn't expecting much, but this actually was good. There's plenty of ways to do it, but you've very clearly given up the game. Alex is a lying piece of shit. It was really funny when I was listening to this. I was like, as soon as he said that, I was like, Alex is not going to. to like that. And then when he came back from break and had to have this little heart to heart with him, I was like, yep, that's exactly what I thought was going to happen. This feels very called into the general manager's office at a McDonald's or something like that. You know, like, hey, you know, you can't, you can't tell people the food's bad. Yeah.

Like, you just can't, like, we're, I understand maybe we're a fast food restaurant. Maybe you're, you prefer to be at all these fancy restaurants, but you know, you can't tell our customers that their food they're buying is bad. Yeah. Look, I'm legitimizing you. I'm telling everyone that you've been vindicated about everything. I'm holding up my end of the bargain. Don't piss in my...

What are we doing? My juice box. Come on, man. Yeah. So the two of them, they're fine with the whole federalizing D.C. thing. Sure, of course. It's mostly, I think a lot of their feelings come down to, like, the homeless are too cocky. That'll happen.

Trump's definitely taking the gloves off with things like federalizing D.C. Yeah, right on. Right on. We should have pride in our nation's capital. I don't think that homeless people would be punished, but there's been a general breakdown in civility and an understanding of rule of law. You know, for anything...

Well, they take it advantage. And the NGOs that run the homeless make money off of it. They have, like, barbecue pits out, and they're just injecting drugs right in front of everybody and breaking into our houses. Austin's been turned into a hell hole by these people. I know. I heard you talking about it. What about our rights?

I used to come to Austin to see the Grateful Dead whenever they played here. Love it. You got great things. and Austin was such a jewel. I'm talking decades ago. And even 10 years ago, I came here to see it. It all changed six years ago.

The NGOs for all the homeless to come here, and now it's like an open toilet. Oh, my God. So, yeah, I mean, one of the things about Alex's, like, consistency. And you never hear him complaining about this kind of stuff six years, seven years ago. Like, before that, he was totally chill. That is not true.

He is a piece of shit. They have barbecue pits. Why does it happen? just happens to everybody like every man turns into some form of this piece of shit at some point like like it's when I was younger it was kind of cool to grow up in a dangerous place you know like you had you had something cool going on and then later on when you were out of that dangerous place you could be like I grew up in a dangerous place don't fucking treat me like I'm from the suburbs you know but you live in the suburbs and then you become Alex Jones being

like there's too many homeless people in the suburbs like it just Stop it. Give him a place to live or something, but just don't be an old man that bitches about it all the time. Right. And I think that the mentality that they're approaching this with is so fraudulent because Patrick's like, I don't want the people to be punished, but. Everything about society is punishing them right now and you want it to be worse on top of it. Right. Yeah. A large portion of what they're experiencing is a societal punishment. Yeah. And the way do you solve this is definitely. not take away their barbecue pit or whatever. There is a path that involves alleviating this, reducing harm in hopes of reintegrating, getting people's stability.

Just that, just that idea, just that idea of like, oh, there's a schizophrenic in my backyard, and I want them to be punished. Like, at no point in time do you think, like, oh, this is a person with a disease who needs treatment. But what's fascinating about that is out of the other side of his mouth, Alex is pretending that Trump is trying to get medical help for drug users. And it can't possibly be a police state if he's trying to do that. It's nonsense. I don't want to help people, but I don't want them to feel good. It's a pretend empathetic approach.

And what's really behind it is a desire to see these people who are in vulnerable. positions and have essentially no power in society be crushed and just taken out of his view. I don't want to see this. But it's not even that. It's even more fucked up than that because if you were to just provide an actual fucking solution of like, hey, we got empty places. We're going to put them that. We're just going to get them out of your, you were mad that you see them.

So now they have a place to live. That's socialism. They'd be like, no, that's not fair that they have a place to live. And it's like so. hand out. So you just want to view people in a worse situation than you, and then whenever things get worse, you want them to be even worse off than you are. Yeah, as an excuse.

Yeah. Yeah. Yep. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. So we got one last clip here, because after he talks to Patrick Byrne, he has his gold sponsor in, and this episode seems like a lot of paid programming. Yeah.

But I thought that Patrick Byrne admitted to something that Alex should be really worried about in this clip. to love a Russian spot. This stuff is finally happening, so I don't want to jinx it. It's finally happening as it should. It should have happened. I thought January 21. I thought on January 20th, Flynn said, jokingly, he said, you know, Trump's going to have you,

well, Paris skydive in to the mall as he's giving his inauguration speech for certain things I did that aren't out yet. I knew that was an exaggeration. But I thought on January 20th, I'd start getting some help. You can't believe. On January, like, 21st, I was bouncing around on the roof of a catamaran off behind. in a terrible storm because I was setting up to smuggle some people into the United States. I got no help until about March 10th because there are so many people within the government. What do you do?

I wish Trump would replace at least the top 1,500 with, you know, there's all kinds of military. Yeah, we need a real purge. Yeah. There's people from Green Berets who go on to Wall Street, they learn Wall Street and such. They learn finance. Let them come and staff the Treasury building. Let, let, let, we restaff the top of the government out of the green beret. Let's be clear, we already have a globalist coup. We're not going to fix it playing patty cake.

Hey, bro, are you a human trafficker? What is happening? Yeah, did, I was about to smuggle some people into the United States and I didn't have any help for obvious reasons. How is that? How, why would you expect help when smuggling people into the United States? Why would you expect help from the United States when smuggling people into the United States? I understand that there are, you know, some people. You know, there are circumstances where it's like refugees or something.

Sure. Maybe you can make an argument for why it's not a, you know, hideously immoral act. Whatever you like. To smuggle people. Sure. But it is still human trafficking. It's still the movement of people illegally. It's how it works.

Yeah. What are you talking about, Byrne? Are you a coyote? A catamaran coyote. Is he out here? What? How did you find yourself in this situation? All right.

So here I was. Trying to smuggle people in. Look, I had an idea for overstock.com. Right. She got way out of hand. You got way out of hand. I'm in love with a Russian spy. Then I'm smuggling people in.

She didn't love me. And what I want is for the Green Berets who went to Wall Street to rule the world. All they have to do is read a book. Why not send the Wall Street people to Green Beret School? Probably because they'd die. Maybe. Yeah. So, yeah, I thought that was really silly.

And Alex, if he was paying any attention. should have been like, hey man, what did you just admit to? How can you just say that and not get any follow-up questions about that? What did you just? I'm sorry, this whole show is over. You and me, you're smuggling people in. Why? How?

Who hired you? Are you hired? Do you do this for free? Where are you from? Is this check going to clear? Oh, boy. So, yeah, I thought that was silly. And then the fact that it all just kind of pivots into like, yeah, you know what?

military should be in charge of the government, is crazy. Trump's actions in D.C. are totally fine. Alex wants to purge the government and replace them with military. Everything's going great. And he wants to invade Mexico. This is not insane. Sound at all like 1930s Italy. This is not, no, nothing at all like that.

It's just, like, when I come back to over and over again, is like trying to find the word. that articulate how much this is comical for it to be what Alex is doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can't figure out how to just say what is self-evident. Yeah. Anybody who's ever paid attention to what his career means and what it's built on would see this and be like, this is a farce. It, it, it, let's, what would I say?

It defies the word hyperbole. There cannot be any hyperbole about a situation that is as extremely itself as it's possible to be, right? Like, you can't be like, oh, this would be like if Alex said that it was okay to be in a police state. Yeah. Because this is Alex saying it's okay to be in a police state. Like, what else is there to say? Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. Here's what there is to say. You can learn something from anybody. And what we've learned today is that if you're going to go try and drown somebody, practice in a pool first. That's a good piece of advice. Can I be honest with you? What's that? I really pictured him in a kiddie pool.

Did you? Here's my imagination, right? Because I know he's a rich guy. So my imagination is he's basically got an Olympic-sized pool in like his backyard. And he's got a guy. He's like, hey, buddy, let's go for a swim together. And they're going for a long swim. And yeah, and the big guy starts to get tired.

And he's like, now I got. him, boom, and he jumps on, and then the guy realizes that he can stand up in the water. I picture Byrne as a bit of a cartoon character. I see that. And so my mind went to him and a big guy in a kiddie pool and wrestling it with a kiss is fucking hard. Like ankle deep water? Yeah. That works.

Wearing like a propeller beanie. Yeah, of course. Naturally. I think he is a tremendous shithead. But he has. he has the potential to have some swings. Yep. You know, like, there's, there's an energy that we've missed of the, I was planning to murder Epstein.

I was planning to murder Epstein is the best way to start any conversation. Yeah. There's another clip in here that I didn't cut out where he was explaining why the Venezuelan government has a bounty out on him. And, like, he has big stories like Steve. I love it. I love it. I want more of that energy.

100%. More of the fake butter. Let's do it. We're getting back into shape. So I was out here. I was going to murder Epstein. I had this whole huge plan. And then I tried it out and it's hard to...

That's amazing. That's just amazing. Again, it was the cameras. It was so amazing. It was the cameras. Amazing. So we'll be back and see how Alex gets more and more acquainted with and falling in love with a police state.

But until then, we have a website. Indeed, we do. It's knowledge fight.com. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor.

And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.