Knowledge Fight - #107: December 12, 2014

Episode Date: November 29, 2017

Today, Jordan picked a random day from the past for Dan to research, and he accidentally picked a huge winner. Not only does Alex Jones gloss over the CIA torture report, but he also has two of the weirdest guests on the show imaginable: Prof. Darrell Hamamoto (Dan's "favorite crazy") and Billy Corgan (singer, mad at Anderson Cooper).

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We are a couple of dudes who like to sit around, boy, sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. And act as the most professional broadcasters in the history of Twitch.

I am telling you what. Audio issues? No, never have them. It turns out, we got a staff on that shit. It turns out, I know nothing about audio settings, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones, and you do not. I don't know anything about Alex Jones. And there we find our fun, our dynamic, and what have you. How are you doing today, Jordan?

Oh, that's a, I don't know if you've ever done that before. I'm very on my heels. I don't know if you've ever asked me how I'm doing in our friendship. I don't know if that's ever happened. I'm very back on my heels because of these tech issues. I don't know what I'm doing anymore. I'm falling back to my freezing point tactics, which should be, I'd be sitting across from someone.

How you doing? Hey, how about, how about you vamp for a little bit? Let's see if that starts a conversation. I'll tell you this right now, having some trouble with my rent. Okay. That's not good. Got somebody squatting in there illegally who I asked to do so. I didn't say anything.

I didn't say anything. That's a good thing. No one can hear us. Yeah. That's a good point. So this is a podcast. If we, if we were famous, famous enough for people to, for the people that I rent from to know who we are,

we would also be famous enough for me to pay my rent on time. Yeah. That's a good point. So this is a podcast where we sit around and talk about Alex Jones. That is what we do. And today, And rent related issues. Sure.

Absolutely. Rent. I know is too damn high. And it's too damn high. Um, so, uh, today is, uh, as we're recording this, it is November 27th, cyber Monday. Yeah. Or also known as the day that Alex Jones announced,

he was going to a 36 hour live marathon. Uh, we discussed it on our last episode and, uh, he did, he did. He did. He is right now. As we speak. And I listened to Alex Jones's show during it and it was at every intention, the purest of heart, uh, intention, uh, to cover that. That was going to be what we covered on today's episode.

Absolutely. But it was all fucking advertisements. That's not good. It was all commercials for products. And, uh, I just don't know how we cover that. You know, there was almost no content in it to the point where I was just like, I was getting mad at it. If we do that,

eventually we're selling his product kind of. Yeah. There was a part of it that was like, uh, but I have one clip. In which case we should join his pyramid scheme. Might as well. Yeah. Part of info wars team. Yeah.

Um, I did, I do have one clip from today and it was just a beautiful moment of irony, uh, because I turned on the live stream of his show and there was an ad before it. Of course. And it's very interesting to hear this ad, uh, and then the show start, uh, and see the juxtaposition of the two. Okay. Hey Chicago. Amazon smart home experience is now available at a coals in your neighborhood.

I have harangued everybody around me to not use Amazon for years. We were off of Amazon for years. I turned it out. That's fantastic. What the fuck is going on? I love that. Yeah. That is great.

I don't know if I've ever seen anything happen that quickly as far as a, uh, a sponsor getting shit on. Yeah. It was whiplash. Yeah. I was pretty blown away, but the rest of it was all just like completely boring ads. And, uh, we have no reason to talk about it. Uh, but, uh, I asked you Jordan earlier today.

Indeed you did. Uh, never done this before. First time ever, I asked you to choose a day from history for us to go back to, to do a time travel episode for, uh, because again, I am not quite prepared to do that time travel episode that one of our policy walks has, uh, requested us do. And so I did, and I picked a date and how did we go? Um, you, we went back to, you said December 21st of 2014.

I meant to say December 17th or 18th. No, you might say December 12th. That is when you meant to say that is when, uh, the torture. I mean, you say a lot of things. You want, you want, Oh, I, I transposed the numbers. Okay. That was, that was what happened.

Your intention was to go back and see what Alex Jones had to say about the torture report. Uh, that came out that, uh, And instead I gave you a two year anniversary of when the world ended. Right. Yeah. Basically, uh, and, uh, we're going to get to, uh, all the goings on. You accidentally stumbled onto a very amazing episode, uh, for a number of reasons. Very, very condescending of you.

No, I mean, you had no way of knowing what's coming. I know, but it seems like I, uh, I chose a date that could possibly have had a good episode. But it was an educated guess. I don't like the word accidentally. It's because the torture part is not really a big factor. Okay. It's the other stuff that makes it huge.

All right. Uh, but before we get going, here's an out of context drop from today's episode. Like a lot of mistakes. I say stupid stuff sometimes. I mean, I hear my show rebroadcast and go, Oh my God, that sounds horrible. I don't mean that. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, he just drops it that quickly. The number of times he said that on the air is staggering. Oh, I listened to this show and I'm like, Jesus, what kind of asshole would say that? I don't know that guy. Yeah.

What? Get it together. Alex. Jesus. You can't just be that easy. Um, I realized that we keep forgetting to give shouts out to policy wonks. Uh, and we might, Hey, you're doing it at the beginning of the show this time.

There we go. I'm hoping this will give my brow a chance to get some sweat off of it. Dry this fucking thing off. Do the only thing that you're really good at thanking people for giving you money. Right. Absolutely. We'd like to give a shout out to a couple of new policy wonks. Uh, what's going on out there?

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you for joining up with the team. Indeed. And also, I know two nice Kelsey's and one Kelsey grammar. So you choose which you want to be. Yeah. Yeah.

And if you choose wrong, you're going to fall off a currently shaped stage. Oh, God. Also, like give a shout out to our other new policy on what's going on out there. Kyle. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much for joining up with the team.

Yes. Thank you very much. Kyle and Kelsey. If you would like to be his brother and sister, they might be twins, not the same last name, but you never know. Oh, that's possible. Could be long lost twins. I don't know.

Anyway, if you'd like to actually Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito, it could be twins. There we are. If you'd like to become a policy wonk, you can do so by going to knowledge fight.com, clicking the sport, the show button. And maybe if we get enough policy wonks, we'll get our sound fixed.

Or I'll have enough time to run sound check before the episodes or I'll be able to pay my rent. Yeah. Any of these things. Any of these things are both impossible and delightful to imagine. Oh God. Okay. So here we are.

Here we are. Here we have come. Here we will be. It's a different. All right. December 12th, 2014. D12. Shit's going down on the 12th, 12, 12, 14.

What is going on? I'll tell you what's going on. I don't know. That was a weird intro. Sorry. It starts. Alex Jones makes a very weird reference to his personal life that he almost never makes.

Okay. And we'll see if you can catch what's going on. How will you make up a divorce trial to everybody? Well, it's not a trial at this point. Oh, it's the custody hearing at this point. No, it's just the divorce settlement. It's 2014. This is when he's getting divorced.

Right. So it's actually the separation and everything is what he's talking about. So when he gets remarried, that's when he's making it up to everybody. I guess. Yeah. I think that sounds right. Because his new wife. Because it's very shortly after him.

Yes. Baw. Baw. So I always think that's kind of interesting that, you know, he never references that. He never talks about the divorce and stuff like that. Right. Except when he's getting super defensive about, I won. That sort of stuff.

Right. Right. And to be like, oh, hey, all right. Yeah. Well, there's family issues. Couldn't be in here yesterday because I was busy getting divorced. Exactly. You know what?

It's very clear. Sign in some documents. She's yelling at me about that boat and I'm like, I can't give you that boat. You can have the other boat. You can have the six other boats that I have. But God damn it. If I'm not keeping the info wash. So Jordan, you.

Which is the name of his car wash? Probably. Yeah. For laundering purposes. Hey. So at on the 12th, the reason you sent me back to the 12th was because on December 11th, there was a report that came out about the CIA torturing people. Yeah.

And John Brennan. Yeah. John Brennan was sort of called to respond about that. And he gave a lackluster response. People weren't thrilled with it. And human rights. If I recall correctly, his response was, Hey, you know, some people do a thing. Some people don't do a thing.

They tap it. It's not far off. Yeah. The UN Human Rights Commissioner. It was like, you got to fucking prosecute those people. Yeah. Because that's fucking nuts. And then we did and everything was better forever, right?

We had to hand off control of Afghanistan's Baghram prison because of it. Yeah. We had a lot. There was a lot of mess. Yeah. So you might be surprised to tune into Alex Jones's show and hear what his top story is. Where to start? The front page of DrudgeReport.com.

GOPers accuse leadership of breaking promises to kill the big spending bill. By even the first lady's lunch program is funded. Can't believe that. And the constituency is so incredibly upset. Even Sean Hannity, who normally defends the system has come out and dubbed boner. Bainer. I was calling him. I get it.

Joe Biden Bainer last week. Well, now Hannity's calling him John Gruber Bainer or John Gruber's boner. I prefer Dave Gruber Bainer. This, the naked trucker, this Bainer riff crush it. It's going to go on. Why? There's no way it can do that. It was bad to start with Joe Biden Bainer and he thinks that's fantastic.

You know Alex Jones. He likes to pick all the meat off a bone. Yeah, that's true. And that's his comedic style. He knows good humor when he sees it. He's like this fucking comedy or is just coming out. This vein is not dry. We are just going to keep chipping away at the John Bainer's name sounds like boner.

I think we're going to get it. Here we go. I mean, that is a pun really folks. You're supposed to pronounce that German name boner. What's be proud of your family name? Even running the first round for Congress saying it's Bainer, not boner. We had to find that old TVF 20 something years ago. But John had, he has slammed John Gruber's boner.

He shouldn't be the speaker. John boner Gruber. There we go. Conservatives tonight. Two. That's right. He did Gruber conservatives tonight or the American people. Democrats don't like Obamacare now in Gallup Pulse.

It's a giant stinking fraud, a bipartisan criminal operation. You just had a major political realignment. The biggest Republican sweep in over a hundred years. What's going to happen if they don't perform and repeal it? Which Mitch McConnell and John Gruber boner. That's right. Gruber Bainer boner. Four.

Sounds like a song or something. John Bainer or no. John Gruber boner. Five. Bainer. His name is my name too. Because all of them are going to be seen as a bunch of Gruberites that we're stupid. By the way, we are stupid.

That was a very successful bit. First of all, great. Second of all, that might be the first time that I have strategically edited. Yeah. To end the clip right where he says, we are stupid. We are stupid. What he says after this. By the way, we are stupid.

We are stupid if we go along with this. I just decided to cut that out for fun and then call myself out on it because I'm not an asshole. But I mean, yeah, sure. All right. So boner. Right. This is just after the midterm elections.

I think that's all I've established here is that he thinks it's funny to say boner, which he's not wrong. He's not wrong. Yeah. The facts of life prove that. Right. Right. This is immediately after the growing pains.

Growing pains. Yeah. Probably. Oh yeah. It was growing pains. Yeah. That was an acceptable thing then. Yeah.

Crazy times. This is right after the November elections that gave us the Republican majority that we are currently dealing with. Yes. It was just after the midterms in 2014, December 12th, 2014. Alex, what will happen if they don't successfully repeal Obamacare? I can't think of anything. Escalation.

Yeah. I think so. Yeah. It seems like that is the play. Everyone will be disappointed to discover that they don't actually care and will not punish their politicians for failing them and the only thing that they really ask them to do. Yeah.

Absolutely. So that's his top story is that John Boehner's name is funny. Yeah. And that there's a spending bill that they didn't, the Republicans didn't stop with their super majority. They had to fund the government. We'll get into that after this next clip. Horrific.

Some of the stories up on infowars.com, House passes government funding bill with Bankster derivative bailout provision bigger than the bank bailout of 2008. By the way, Kurt Nemo's headline is excellent and it's very accurate. He does a great job focusing on that, but it's not even bad enough. The headline is not even horrible enough. It should be House passes banker bailout derivatives bill bigger than 08 because it is bigger. It's unlimited. Unlimited power to bankrupt the country to quote Emperor Palpatine.

Don't think he said that. I don't think so. We're only trying to save the country and the globalist, the Federal Reserve say no, no, no, you will die. You will sign on to everything. Everything is preceding as David Rockefeller has foreseen it. It's Friday. It's like I'm worked up.

So just to keep track. House assails alliteration of assholes army is what he just did. Yeah. This, he's talking about an article from Kurt Nemo who is a guy who worked for info wars who has since come out and said very clearly that Alex Jones is a fraud. Yeah. And been very. Yeah.

He's not going to appreciate Kurt Nemo later on in life. No. He's very, very against him now. And you know what this spending bill, you know the context of it. Yeah. The government shutdown. Yeah. Yep.

That dick hole Ted Cruz that motherfucker tried very hard to ruin the world with damaged the GOP reputation so that even though they had a super maturity, everybody hated them so much specifically Ted Cruz who would later come second in many primaries. That's how much they hated him. Yeah. So they passed a $1.1 trillion spending omnibus spending bill. Right. But Democrats are now opposing several last minute provisions, including one that would

repeal a key rule in the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill that limits risky trades by federally insured banks. Ha. Boy, it sure seems like the Republicans are trying to get rid of the Dodd-Frank bill. Because they did. I can't think of any reason that they would get rid of the Dodd-Frank bill considering that they represent the people in their districts who just care about prosperity. Right.

Right. And just, you know, getting back to Americana, I don't understand why they would try to destroy a bill that actually protects those people from predatory lenders. Because you don't understand prosperity. It's mostly about banks taking risks with your money. Oh, okay. That's how real prosperity comes. Shouldn't they tell me, though, when they're doing that?

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, they shouldn't tell me that. Prosperity is more fun if it's a surprise. Okay. That might be true. Well, you know, I mean, the revolution was a surprise. It's a surprise to all of us. A lot of people were caught off guard by 1776.

So what do you got a problem with? Which seemed also to be about occasionally being taxed too much. Right. Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren, both were incredibly vocal in their opposition to these last-minute additions that Republicans snuck through in. And so when Alex is talking about the spending bill, all this stuff, the real dangerous parts of it. The real dangerous parts of it.

The real dangerous parts of the things that the Republicans who he's louding put in there. And I don't know, he can always pretend that he's not a Democrat. He's not a Republican, a bipartisan, but he off, he celebrates a lot when Republicans win. Oh, oh, really? Yeah. And I don't know. I can't think of any time.

I don't know if it's just an anti, you know, Democrat thing or if he's just full of shit. I think he's full of shit. And I think he's anti-democrat. Could be six to one, half a dozen of another. Yeah. We'll get into this next clip because Alex brings up another employee of his. This is right after a video package that's real, like fast cuts, things taken out of context with really swelling, dramatic music.

We get Nancy Pelosi. We need to get that ready. Not Nancy Pelosi, but Eric Holder, Nancy Pelosi wasn't nearly on his shooting board at this point. All right. But Eric Holder is in there. Obama likes. Well, of course.

Obama's saying something like let's feed people and then he's got a horror movie soundtrack in the back. Yeah. Yeah. Video, not just on prisonplanet.tv, but up on infowars.com right now, Rob Jacobson produced that little two minute jewel of awakening and truth Veritas, he can name it whatever he wants. Let's make it top video infowars.com YouTube channel.

Funny story. That's a long name for that. Jacobson has also left infowars and is also spoken out very publicly about how Alex is an asshole. Interesting. And he, he, if I recall correctly, he was who Alex turned to for backup in the David Duke interview. He also failed in debating David Duke and has gone on to say, I mean, I certainly don't

agree with him in this, but he's like, Alex will never touch Israel. That sort of stuff. That's why he got you. Gotcha. That was the one. Here we go. He's in that brand. I was going to say, I was worried that he actually went to the side that makes sense.

No. Okay. It does not seem like it, but it's just another example. Everybody he's bringing up that back then no longer there and does not like him. So that's fun. But you know what? Alex has some weird allegiances back in 2014 that you would never expect. You already heard him say something negative about Sean Hannity, who's his best friend

now apparently. Listen to this. What is he friends with? Mugabe? Cause the future is not going to hold well for him. No, he's not. If he's banking on Mugabe, he's going to be in trouble. He's not pimping for Mugabe, but this, this, this clip is interesting as hell.

Crowd hammer is really smart and he's a conservative intellectual. He doesn't just throw out buzzwords all day. What Hannity does. I don't agree with some of the stuff crowd hammer pushes sometimes, but he's light years better than a Sean Hannity, uh, or, you know, these, these mainline Rhino Republican talk show hosts that just support the police state, the drug war, the giant prisons, no matter what police brutality, no matter what, we try to look at both sides and actually be fair.

No, you don't. Not at all. So like, okay. I get that Sean Hannity hadn't morphed into a, Hey, we're on the same team guy at that point. Uh, corporate Fox news guy. That begs into question. What happened to Hannity is Hannity, I think he's always happening to Alex.

Well, but, but I mean more like, was Hannity a secret Alex Jones this whole time? He was as crazy. He was always as crazy. Yeah. Cause if you listen to his radio show, it was a lot wider radio shows, fucking bananas. I don't mean wild in terms of like saying stupid shit like Alex, but it was wild in the sense of like, uh, he was a, he was really unprofessional. He was a dick.

He was really mean to everyone. I used, uh, my grandfather forced me to listen to a good hour or two of, uh, Hannity while I was, uh, watching him and ushering him into the great beyond, uh, and if it had kept me from listening to Hannity, I would have been like, go an hour or a couple earlier. Get, get, get gone. Yeah. Yeah. So Hannity is, uh, Hannity makes you want to kill your grandfather.

So Hannity sucks, but it's interesting to hear Alex say positive things about fucking Charles Krauthammer. Oh, don't you love the way his turtle head just kind of retracts into everything whenever he gets challenged. I'm not talking, I don't want to talk personal shit. I don't want to talk appearances. I'm not here to neck shame anybody. I mean, it would be hard not to neck shame him just saying his name is neck shame.

Here are some reasons Alex can't know Alex cannot say he supports or agrees with Charles Krauthammer. So many reasons Krauthammer supports abortion. Yup. That's number one. Number two, he believes in evolution and rejects the idea of intelligent design. Hard not to. Uh, he also, uh, supports higher taxes, uh, to support environmental causes.

It makes sense. And energy conservation. Right. Uh, also this is the big one. He emphatically supports embryonic stem cell research, using tissue from abortions, which Alex is, what's wrong with that? I think nothing. Alex thinks they're harvesting babies and making chimeras.

Well, yeah, that's his big thing, but you got to have, you got to come at it from both sides. You got to give both sides credence. That's why he likes to listen to Charles Krauthammer because Krauthammer is going to be like, Hey Alex, that's fucking stupid. And he's going to be like, Hey Krauthammer, you've got a lot of good ideas. Not like that dumb ass Hannity over there who agrees with me that they're creating chimeras. Yeah.

And we'll be a great ally in two years, two, two years. Once we have our demon candidate, once, once you guys come to me Krauthammer, you're gone. Once the, the rip in the, the, the reality veil becomes big enough, I will go to Sean Hannity and we will come together as some sort of globular, uh, ultimedia and professional media to headed by, right. When we get forced into the dark timeline by a Mixlpixie stick, Mr. Mixlpix. Yeah. We have to say his name backwards before we can get into the timeline where Bernie won.

Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, Alex is fucked up. That makes no sense for his philosophy and for anything. Yeah. Uh, but his hubris back then, or as he would pronounce it, hubris back then knows no bounds. Listen to this fucking sales pitch for a second.

And then I'll come back on the other side and tell you exactly what he's asking of his listeners. Another key, pray for this operation. We're praying for America and the rest of the world and you as well. We need those prayers. That's number one. But secondarily, support our local AM and FM affiliates, become sponsors, uh, become, uh, supporters of local sponsors, pay, call the station up and say, I want to pay for

a billboard to promote the Alex Jones show. That's how we're going to take this country back. We're so close, folks, so close. I want to pay for a billboard. Yeah. That's the interesting thing to call your AM FM radio station with. So do you know, do you know about billboard pricing? Uh, I don't know about billboard pricing.

So I just saw three billboard, three billboards in, uh, Ebbing, Missouri, and they said $5,000 a month for three billboards. That's pretty close. Yeah. Very small towns. Yes. That like outside of Milwaukee, uh, you can get one for about $4,000 a month, $3 to $4,000 a month.

I mean, that's not terrible, right? Now you bump it up to a city like San Diego, right, which is not even a large market. I mean, it's big, but it's not like LA or something like that. It's a big market. Uh, that's going to run you probably about 10 to $15,000 a month. Still reasonable. If you get a return on your investment, now you go to like Boston, let's say Boston. I don't go to Boston, but urban, urban area, metropolitan city to get a billboard.

It can run you up to $23,000 a month for a billboard. Yes. Damn. Like areas. Yeah. It's all about how many eyes get on stuff. It's all about impressions. How much would it cost us to get a billboard in Chicago?

A lot. What are you thinking? At least that $20,000. You think you're thinking like closer to 30, right? Yeah, probably. I don't know. I feel like, I feel like, uh, Boston and Chicago are probably pretty close in terms of that.

Maybe a little higher, but, uh, probably in the ballpark. All right. So that's, I mean, geez. So we're going to have to do a 36 hour live stream. And you get 23,000 calling and say you want to pay $20,000 for a billboard or conservatively $10,000 for a billboard. What the fuck? Clear channel.

I know that it's too expensive to buy my wet herbs, but buy a billboard. Billboard. What the fuck? Buy a billboard. Huberous. Huberous. Yeah. That's nuts.

Um, so we're, we're maybe like half an hour into his broadcast at this point, buy a billboard. And he finally decides to get into the torture stuff. Yes. We're going to go hard on it. He's got a lot of articles. He's really going to get into the issues. He might have a stack. He's got a stack, but you know, that doesn't mean anything.

It doesn't mean much. Here is, uh, Alex Jones's take. Look at this report by Washington's blog upon info wars.com. The media is focusing on the wrong Senate torture report. The big story torture. Everyone is missing. Oh, I'm in. What do we got?

I agree with his report. It gets into the armed services committee of 2009 that details the systematic widespread torture across the board, but that's not even as bad as the torture report from 2000. I think it's 2007 or eight. General to goomba report torture report. He's the Filipino American general, three star general that did. It's to go about that investigation. And that was the real one where they admitted the raping children with large objects, dripping

with acid in front of their parents in Iraq and places, killing people, non terror related. It's just, just demons being hired. Now the military was ordered to hire former federal prison guards who had records on purpose. Rape you name it. So that's what I mean. The, the, the fine sign reports a whitewash. So this whole thing that you have sent us back in time is apparently a whitewash and a couple things.

Did not realize that it's not to goomba or whatever. It's to gooba. It's Antonio to gooba. And here's the thing about that. He has the date slightly off. He said it was 2007, I believe. Yeah. It was 2004 that he did a report and it did not entail anything about children being

raped with things dipped in acid in front of their parents. Are you sure? I'm positive. Did you read it? Yes, I did. Have you talked to to gooba? Okay. Have you talked to to goomba?

I have. Yeah. Oh, there you go. There it is. It's a different guy. You just don't do your research, Dan. This is what bothers me. You have a stack of articles about to gooba.

Nothing about to goomba. Yeah. Oh, shit. I blew it. Yeah. Where did that voice come from? I don't know. It was my to goomba voice.

So goomba voices. I blew it. The closest thing I could find is there are reports that. General to goomba got that he was not able to substantiate, but he viewed as credible based on the circumstances that people might have been sodomized with like a light, a fluorescent light or something along those lines, which is horrifying, but that's not quite children getting raped with things dipped in acid in front of their parents. Alex is sensationalizing this quite a bit.

It's not that far off. No. It's a, it's a stupid place to draw a line. Quite frankly. I, I mean, I, I, I'm not on anybody's side there. I'm not. I don't, I don't, there's not a winner that I want to back in this, in this race. I'm not either.

But in terms of Alex being a reporter, in terms of him actually telling you things, he's failing at that. Oh, he's very bad at that. But the other thing, this is the most important piece. So to gooba's report came out in May of 2004. Amnesty International put out their report about Abu Ghraib in June of 2003. So his report came out even after the atrocities that were reported in Abu Ghraib were already being reported.

Right. So a lot of the stuff that's in there is just, I have substantiated that detainees told me these things happened, which had already been reported, but Alex would never want to give it up for Amnesty International or something like that. So isn't it weird that 2014 is when this episode happens? We've all known at this point that America is torturing people nonstop for 11 years. And we're like, whoa, whoa, Brennan, well, maybe not 10 years. Don't agree with us.

Right. You're supposed to lie. So we feel less complicit in the atrocities that are being committed in our name. Yeah. It's really fucked up. But Alex, I would think that his position on it would be, I guess this is pretty close to what I would expect his position to be. I would expect it to be a little different though, because I would expect it to be gloating.

Yeah. But I would also expect it to be gloating with like, and now here's all the times I've told you, and here is, you know, me breaking the story way before and all that, instead of dismissively being like Tuguba, I'm sorry, Tugumbu, um, I, I, my, my thoughts on what he would think based on his love of black water now is yeah, we're torturing people. That's how we should be doing it. I don't think he likes black water at this point because he doesn't know that Eric Prince is a Trump supporter.

I'm talking about now. Oh yes. Now. So if you're, if you're a huge fan of black water now, I assume that you have loved torture since you saw your first episode of 24. I'll tell you this. Alex is not a fan of torture, which I support. I get, I, I give him.

Does he know what we're doing now with the Trump regime and how we're killing like three times the number of civilians all around they're emboldened to torture and then the privatized army is just going buck wild. Every report that we get out of that is just they are just fighting a total war and burning people alive. It's not good. Washington Post fake news. Okay.

Fair enough. Shout out to project Veritas doing the Lord's work. I don't know if you saw this. I know everyone's seen the story that the Washington Post put out about project Veritas trying to trick them with a fake sting operation about Roy Moore, but I don't know if everybody's seen the videos that project Veritas rushed out to try and get ahead of it because they knew this story was going to come out because they got reached for comment. I don't have you.

That is so funny. If you're, and I imagine that they got reached for comment in the middle of trying to screw them. Oh, shit. Okay. You guys are, you guys are trying to trick us. Can you tell me some things about that so we can print it? Yeah.

So James, can we go off the record? I want to be anonymous. James O'Keeffe rushed out some videos and it's like behind the scenes talking to people at Washington Post. Yeah. And it's so much nothing. Yeah. It's so astounding how little there is there.

And he's like, Oh, well, this is the real truth. This is American Pravda. The worst thing that he's got is somebody from the paper from the Washington Post saying that the editorial board doesn't like Trump. It's like, that's the editorial board. I think that's pretty, I think that's pretty solid. It's also not the news writers. I don't think there are a lot of editorial boards that don't like that like Trump.

I think there are few. Yeah. So anyway, it's all a bunch of hot nonsense, but also in the wake of all this, it is very important to remember that a few years back, Donald Trump did give James O'Keeffe $10,000 from one of his foundations. Really? Yeah. So interesting to remember and that will come back up at the end of this episode in a really

weird way. All right. But be that as it may. I love it when you bookend things. I told you, Alex Jones is against torture. He is against torture now in this time period. I still think he's actually against it now still to disagree. It depends on what you mean by truth because he says he's against it.

And to be fair to him, when he's critiqued Trump, one of the things he consistently says or has said, especially in the early days of his presidency was, I don't like where he stands on torture. I think it's wrong. That sort of thing. It's one of the only things that he would point out that I think Trump's wrong on this one. The generals are misleading him and stuff like that.

So I mean, I think on some level, he actually does understand the torture is bad. All right. But this next clip, I think understanding and being against your different things. This next clip tells me that Alex has an incredibly weird take on torture as a whole. And I don't really, I don't really know what's going on in this clip. Okay. I really don't. All right.

I've seen a lot before and seen some guy haul off and punch a woman in the face. And I've gone over and said, you better stop that right now. What the hell's your problem? They've got in my face. And I've said, listen, about that time, people were calling the cops. I was like 20 years ago and it wasn't because I'm a hero. I don't like seeing some big guy punch a woman in the eye and give her a black eye and instinctive level.

That's just not right. Yeah. The one thing if she hit him or something, right? You know, that would be a thing of passion. But guys beating up women and instinctive level. I don't like that. So I think of my mother. I think of my daughters.

But before I had daughters, I instinctively don't like women being messed with. I have that instinctive thing to protect women and children. That's what men are for. That's what we do. You're not a man. If you don't want to do that, but I mean, I guarantee you if I meet more men, there's been a lot of cases that you read about the news where dad opens the door and some 40 year old guys raping his 10 year old son, the dad kills them and they don't even indict them.

Much less having grand jury nonbellum. Everybody gets that way. Everybody gets that. Fine. Leave it aside. But here's what I need. I need you to track the thought I really need because he's talking about crimes of passion right now.

Yeah. And the idea that like you just go red and you kill somebody or whatever. Yeah. Keep that in mind. I swear he's going to try and relate this to torture. Is he going to pull this off? He's not, but he is he is he flying a little bit low? Is he is he in a tailspin right now?

Pull up, pull up, get out, get out, just pull the throttle. No. That was a case just north of Austin that happened a few last this year, I think, and the dad beat the guy to death. There's been cases where a drunk driver runs over somebody's kid right in front of their house. The dad sees their dead son. All of it was another Texas case.

Those gets his gun kills him. Grand jury doesn't indict. That's not torture. That's not when you beat somebody to death and want them to hurt. You're hurt. So torture is natural in the moment in the passion where you've caught the person. You know they've done it and you're going to bash their brains out. And in the moment you have that killer instinct, you're not enjoying it, but it's like stepping

on a cockroach. You have the energy and the will to just sit there and throw their head up against a wall or smash it with killer force. Most people have a governor. They decide to not kill. They decide to not slam that head down hard enough where it breaks open. You can do it. You just decide.

You die. You can kill them. That's how the real world works. What? So there's this tough guy instinct that gets misapplied by you to hit us on 11. Go ahead and torture him. You can't have a big nasty government do that because it'll do it for fake confessions and it'll do it to you.

That's why you don't do it. Not because we're wimps and well why do the Russians and the Chinese do it? Because they're barbarous countries that never got reformed. He got freedom in Russia? No. We're losing ours here now and they're promoting torture and spying and everything else. And Russia's trying to reform itself, but Western pressure isn't letting it do it. It's interesting.

We'll unpack all of that, but it's really interesting at the end there. He's like, in Russia, they don't have any freedom. Oh, shit. I got to save this. Russia's trying to do better. Because of us. Yeah. They don't have any freedom because we're stopping them from having freedom.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Oh, shit. They're saying in December of 2014 he still wasn't completely turned, but Alex has also been debriefed by the Russian intelligence agents, but by this point, I think we can push that date back to 2014. I don't think that's conclusive.

I don't think that's a conclusive thing right there. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit. What do you think? Fair enough. I'm standing by it. This is what happens when you torture me before the show and we wind up getting audio issues.

Listen, it was a crime of passion. So that's fucked up. I don't know what he thinks torture is. I know he's against what I think he's just against false confessions. I agree with. I mean, I'm against it. Right. Right.

No, I think, I think that's what he's really doing. You should talk to Trump about the Central Park five. Yeah, no shit. Fuck me. Or any number of people. So, so he's, I, I think he's against torture for the wrong reasons. Well, I mean, or at least a right reason, but he's fine with it in certain circumstances. I mean, it deprives you of your humanity and it deprives the person who you're torturing

of their humanity. That's probably the biggest reason. And I would love for everyone to operate on that principle, but if you can't and don't torture people because it doesn't work. If that's all you got, if that's the best you can do, I'll, yeah. If it leads to you not torturing people or advocating for people not torturing, hooray. Yeah, I think that's good. It's very elemental or elementary.

Right. Very, very much in terms of, um, you know, there's just, uh, there's in the same way there's emotional maturity and intellectual maturity. There's like moral maturity. There's like, you know, just going by golden rule kind of stuff, uh, it sort of a really basic level and then principles get built in as you get older and you start to live by principles. And then eventually you get to the point where you live by principles that must be true.

Like the, the, the opposite could not be true. Uh, and Alex is operating on very, very childlike adolescent, uh, moral ideas. And then also just equating torture with beating someone to death because they drunkenly killed your kid in a car accident. That one's weird. Very much. And also that's not a crime of passion. If you go and get your gun also, it seems as though he wants to bash somebody.

Like he's describing something that he's done where it's like, I could have killed that guy. No, no, totally. That moment. He's describing exactly that. That moment that everyone has a governor, you just turn it off. You die. Yeah.

That's a very, that's very real, uh, at least the feeling. I'm not saying he's, I'm not saying he's killed anyone, but that I'm not saying he's killed anybody. I'm saying that he thinks he's stopped himself from killing somebody. Definitely. Yeah. He thinks he thinks he could have killed a lot of people. Don't fucking play games.

He's literally said that on the show before. That's true. Um, that is true. Jordan. Yes. Yes, Dan. You know how I told you. No.

Also, I think he was referencing the movie, the way of the gun, Sarah Silverman gets punched in the parking lot. Oh, probably. He probably just watched that, uh, after he smoked his one weed of the year. Great movie. It's a great movie. I love it. Ryan Philippi.

Benicio Del Toro. Big fan. Good. Sarah Silverman. She's great. I don't like the getting punched part. Although she, she's great. She's great.

Jordan. Yeah. So this is the end of his coverage of the torture. So he nailed it and then just decided we can move on with that rambling two and a half minutes. He's like, check that off the list. I crushed it. Now I told you at the beginning of the episode editorial, why, why I can, I can sum up torture

in two words, punch, don't, it's pleasurable, but don't do it. Yeah. Um, I told you at the beginning of the show here today, the, you accidentally picked a perfect episode. Yeah. I will tell you why there's two reasons and one of them is that my favorite crazy comes in. No.

Why? Daryl Hamamoto. Okay. God damn it. Yes. How did that happen? Yes. Professor Daryl Hamamoto gave you, I gave you Christmas.

I saw, I opened it up. I started listening to it. I was like, oh fuck yeah, and I will say this, it's not his best showing. Oh, it's not, it's not, I wanted to pick my gayest instrument to go infiltrate Occupy Wall Street. That's a solid one. It's not that kind of Hamamoto, but he does say some stuff. That's really great.

Okay. He, it, this bums me out cause he's brought, he's like calling in from his, uh, pretty small apartment and you know, whatever it is, what it is, uh, but through the interview, you can hear like trucks, like really loud, uh, interfere, like it's clear that he lives, you know, not a, he's a man of modest means, but he shouldn't be. He's a tenured professor at UC Davis, maybe he does it on purpose. There are many people who are saving up their money to buy even gayer instruments. That's absurd.

So here is our first clip of, uh, my boy, Daryl Hamamoto, and, uh, he, in this clip, he compliments and then insults another one of Alex Jones's guests. Okay. All right. And he would be there teaching professors and PhD students how to lie. He's talking about Jonathan Gruber. It's not important. Dave Gruber, Alan.

And how the world really works. So I guess you get a PhD now, according to him, to learn the inside baseball of pure BS. And whereas that always went on from what I've seen in some special PhDs the last hundred years in this country in England and Germany, it wasn't like they'd get on C-span and brag about it. Uh, so it does show really the arrogance, the arrogance of how stupid they think we are. It's arrogance.

And, uh, I was listening to one of your earlier interviews this week. I forgot who the guest was, but he, uh, referred to it as the narcissism. A lot of these high ranking military. That's Dr. Steve Pachennick. Yeah. Dr. Steve Pachennick. Great, great mind, great intelligence and great analyst. And I really enjoy listening to him.

His fiction is not so great, political analyst, you know, I read everything. I check, check into all your guests. That's great. Okay. Hamamoto, you're crazy. Okay. Pachennick writes fiction. He's supposed to have been the ghost writer or collaborator for Tom Clancy's books.

Oh, that's right. So he must be shitting on Clancy. Clancy, you know, Clancy's got some good, uh, he's farmed out most of the writing of his books. The first three. Hamamoto is nuts. Hamamoto is right. Haha.

No, he's not. All right. He says Steve Pachennick is a great thinker. Great analyst. Uh, that we have quabbles on. Yeah. I bet his fiction sucks. I have no idea.

I've never read it. I would like to read. Well, if it's Latter Day, Tom Clancy, it sucks. I would like to read some of, uh, Matt Bracken's books at some point. That's, uh, that's on my, uh, list of summer reading. Is that my beach? Did you email Hamamoto with like a recommended list? I mean, he's a professor.

He's got to know what he's got to know something. Oh, he knows something. How to hide your guns. No, no, he doesn't know that. Where to keep your gayest instruments. He doesn't know that. Hideyourgayinstruments.com. It's right next to your guns.

We got a book. We got a book on hiding gay instruments. So, um, I told you that Hamamoto knows something. Yeah. In this next clip, what does Hamamoto know? There's an elaborate conspiracy that he is going to lay out in this next clip. And I would like to point out that the way he sets it up, even from the beginning, uh, he's discussing what he tells professors to try and get them to wake up, to red-bill

them or whatever, uh, even in his own conception, he's talking about corporations trying to screw over people's pensions, not globalists. So hold on, we'll get to that on the other side after he makes this case that is rambling and nonsensical. Okay. My favorite crazy. So what I have done in order to, uh, get them into the tent, so to speak, is to bring to their attention that, uh, their security is an illusion.

Their retirement, their pension, the UC, uh, investment fund has been eyed hungly by the wolves of Wall Street for many years now, and they're just waiting for an opportune time to go in there for the kill. They're kind of circling the prey right now. They're taking, uh, their pulse. But once I make my colleagues aware that this is their strategy, and they have Janet Napolitano in place there, and they have the MRAPS and the militarized camps is there in case there's any sort of dissent, and they have the students bought off and their little ethnic identity

politics, uh, going on. They've got them nicely balkanized and segregated like the old city of Rome. Precisely. We have all the different, uh, factions and perpetual tension, and they bring in, uh... So, um, when he talks about the weaponized campus, he's talking about the, like, electromagnetic rays and stuff like that, that they're shooting through the air and stuff like that. He was doing so good. Yeah.

He was doing so great. He's not done. Hold on. Your pension is going to be taken by Wall Street. They've been eyeing it for a long time. They aren't going to enforce it with militarized camps, though. That's where I... Campus.

Oh, okay. I thought he said militarized camps. I know. I don't believe so. And also, it's not, uh, it's not, uh... It's not weaponized students? No. I mean...

Attacking their pensions? It is because they have these, uh, you remember he has that antenna theory that there are all kinds of rays that are going around the campus. Right. Which is why he's suing Janet Napolitano. Right. And, uh, Linda Catehi, who's going to come back up, uh, in a second. But also, the, the very idea that Wall Street wants these pensions and shit like that,

I mean, yeah. Right on. Right on. But that's not globalists. You did great. That's not globalists. That's out of control capitalists. That's got nothing to do with lasers.

Mm-mm. Mm-mm. I don't think they're going to enforce it with lasers. No. Although, that would be a much more fun universe. Yeah. Frankly, if you're going to fuck me over, if you use lasers, that's better for me somehow. Right.

I think that's more fun. Right. Like, it's the pen dragon affair. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Look, if you're going to be a monster, at least be a flamboyant monster. Give me something to latch on to.

Give me some entertainment, you know? So, so, uh, hold up. This clip isn't done. Let's let Halomoto finish his case. Um, presidents or chancers such as Linda Catehi, who's a Greek national, I don't know if she's even a US citizen. You have no idea. According to my research, and this is, this is how you attack them.

You do your homework, you find the biography. It's very easy. It's open source. I didn't do that on Linda Catehi, though. Um, a network, an international network to, um, nationalize and socialize and globalize institutions of higher education. Of course. Of course, absolutely.

And she's one of, she was at one of the leading consultants for the destruction of the higher education system in Greece. Yep. And that is, uh, coterminous with, with the destruction of the larger Greek economy. So if you... Okay. So Linda Catehi took down the Greek economy. Through taking down the education system in Greece, she then toppled the Greek economy

and then, because she was so successful, she got brought in here to be the president of UC Davis. Yeah. Uh, and, uh, she has a bunch of patents for antennas and that's how she's doing it. But also she's so important that she's an international destroyer of economies and was fired for giving her son and stepdaughter a job. Yep. He's so crazy.

I got to tell you something, dad. Checks out. Sure. She's this indispensable piece of a nefarious international conspiracy who was fired for petty, uh, uh, uh, nepotism. She stole from petty cash. Petty nepotism. Yeah.

Uh, it was like, ah, we can't look past that even though you're such an important part of our global scheme to destroy economies through education systems. Man, he was doing so good. He's so stupid. He's doing so good. I... He had it. He already had it.

Wall Street is eyeing your pensions. You could just take that just one step further. And if Wall Street eyes your pensions and then takes them like they did in Greece, then it's a bad thing. Even if you think it's lasers, you're doing so good. I lied to you. Why did you get off track and go to Janet or Nancy, hey, take, whatever her name is. I, uh, I lied to you earlier when I said that this wasn't a good homomoto appearance.

He's killing it. Okay. Uh, in this next clip, uh, we get to find out some of the inspirations for Daryl Homomoto. All right, professor, I'm going to stop ranting here. I'm going to give you the floor. He wasn't ranting. Alex did like a three minute commercial and then he's like, I'm going to stop ranting here.

I'm going to get back to him and talk about whatever you think front and center said to me, ask him the questions and we're going to take some calls. Great. First, Alex, congratulations on your 20 years of broadcasting. Your work, uh, the contributions of your fine guest, your, your reportage team, uh, has directly influenced and informed not just my lectures, which of course, uh, has reached any number of students by now, but also my scholarship. Here's that book and you book of mind.

It's in the mail to you that explicitly acknowledges your contribution to my own, uh, intellectual development. Oh, no. Oh, no. Are you getting the picture of Homomoto's life? It's exactly what we thought. Yeah. He was, I want to go to, can we audit one of his lectures?

Yes. Absolutely. We have to take a trip. We have to go. I just got to donate so we can go to UC Davis. Are you kidding me? And he's proud of those lectures that students go to. Well, you understand.

I mean, what he's accidentally revealing is that he at one point was a normal human being. And then he caught the brain virus of Alex Jones's globalists. Yeah. And by that time he already had tenure, so they can't fire him. Right. And maybe they've scaled back his, uh, his salary and that's why he lives in the shitty apartment.

Entirely possible. Like everything is coming into picture for Homomoto. Well, I'm sure they're scaling back his, his caseload or his class load as well. Yeah. I know. Anything you can do, uh, within the bounds of tenure for someone who's clearly off the reservation. Completely insane.

He talks about arguing with students all the time. Of course. He insists on teaching classes about Illuminati theory and shit like that. Not great. Not great. Well, I mean, if you want to teach it from a like academic perspective, go ahead. But if you want to teach it from a, this is real. And Linda Kite, he has, uh, antennas that are poisoning you right now, but then I want

to go, how much fun is it? That should be in every university. There should be one hidden lunatic. Oh, there is. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay.

I found a couple of them at the university of Missouri. Okay. They were great. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. I took all their classes. Right.

Like what kind of crazy we're talking about there? Well, I had one, uh, crazy who, uh, there was the mean crazy. He was, uh, doctor, it was some, uh, it's like Wellington or something. I can't remember who's right. Some by name like that. And, uh, he was a Greek history professor and he was just a fucking asshole, but he was the kind of crazy. That's not fun.

He was the kind of crazy who like he expected everyone to do the reading and he would not be graceful about calling on people in class and then he would clown on them when they hadn't done the reading. That's not crazy. That's kind of crazy. That's not crazy. That's terse. That's not how a moto crazy.

No. Hidden. Hama moto crazy. All right. Um, let's see. There was a guy, and this isn't the right kind of crazy either. I'm talking like the kind of crazy where it's like it's a nuclear physicist, but he only does classes on whether or not mole men are real.

No, that's the type of crazy that I think of Hama moto. Oh, he is definitely that, but I guess we didn't have any of those. The only other, the only person I was, I was thinking of was this guy named, uh, Dr. Rowlett and he was a archeology professor in a class I took and boy, uh, the joke, the running joke was like, he should be teaching about himself cause he was like 90 something barely talk. And so the entire class was me and the guy next to me, uh, being like, what is this class? Everyone passed because, uh, the curve was a disaster.

Can you hear this? So that sounds like a Mr. Show sketch. Yeah. Yeah. I can hear though that Hama moto knows how to get back on the show. He knows how to get in Alex's good graces by complimenting him and being like, you are, which I actually think is probably, he's not being facetious. It doesn't sound like it.

But he's also, Hama moto sounds like he's being honest as hell, but he has a fucking ass liquor. Listen to this. This is what happens immediately after, okay. I'm honored. I can't wait to maybe carry the book and obviously have you on about it once I've read it. Absolutely. And also just as sort of a experiment, 10, 10 minutes prior to having this conversation

with you, I took some secret 12, it's a, it's basically a liquid B12 vitamins, put it sublingually. And I take this right before the lectures because my goal is to be as fluid and slick as Joel Osteen, one of our favorite glitter bug preachers for the international audience. Well, you're a sweetheart for plugging in. We really are proud of secret 12. Thank you so much, brother. Ooh. I mean, I don't know what's more troubling about that snake.

Everything. Everything is troubling about that. B12 makes me feel great. I take it before lectures. Yeah. That's bad. So I can be slick as Joel Osteen. That's real bad.

He's being, he's being facetious. He's being glib there. That's making fun of Joel Osteen. Yeah. Cause he calls them our favorite glitter bug preacher, which is a reference to Alex Jones insulting these prosperity gospel. I think he's still complimenting him. No, I think I think he's being honest about how Joel Osteen is good at what he does, which

is be a complete piece of shit. I think also there's a chance that Darrell Hamamoto has some sort of a personality disorder has flat affect and you can't tell when he's being like that's possible because his tone of voice almost never changes. Okay. He's always kind of in the same mode of speech. So I think he was, I, I'm, when I read the text, I read irony and sarcasm there. I could be wrong, but that's what I see.

You might be right. I might be right. Either way, fucking amazing. Hamamoto is coming in and plugging for him and he, he continues, he continues that tradition on every appearance. Like on one of the other ones we went over, he was like, he's like, Hey Alex, I just want to tell you, I just got your book or Roger Stone's book, the making of a presidency. Does he pull it up?

Yes. No. Yes. And in this, he pulls out the bottle of secret 12. Fantastic. Yeah. He's got it. He's got the goods.

That's great. Yeah. Do you think he's under contract now? Probably. Yeah. He has to be. Yeah. If you're, if you're popping up a book, you've got to be like, that's a social media influencer

type of gig right there. It's buzz marketing. Yeah. Yeah. But I think on another level, uh, uh, Hamamoto just sort of understands where his bread's buttered and he's like, I can get a lot of exposure from this that I couldn't get otherwise. Right. Uh, and, uh, like if I pimp stuff for Alex, I know that's what motivates him.

That'll make him more likely to promote me. Right. Everything works out. And if people promote me, we'll finally get these fucking lasers taken care of. Absolutely. That's the main goal. Yeah. Okay.

So, um, Hamamoto has got some, a little bit of an oppression complex going. Right. And in this next clip, he references a colleague of his and I did a bit of research into this and I, I can't find anything. Look, here's the deal. He gives enough details that it sounds true if you're not paying attention, but so few details that it's impossible to search for it. Before we go any further, uh, is the colleague he's speaking of real?

I can't say either way. My gut says no. Okay. Uh, at very least the story he's about to tell is I got red flags. Okay. Also, a colleague of mine has been harassed continuously and just to show you the viciousness of the university system, she, uh, was declared clinically dead due to, uh, uh, massive, uh, health prices.

What do we do with that? I know. Okay. All right. So colleague. Yep. She was declared clinically dead as some kind of, even though she's still alive and some, just because her healthcare costs were too high.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think that's what it was. Here's where we're cut off, which I'm going to detail and she published a, which I'm going to detail massive, uh, health prices, which I'm going to detail. Yeah. So that's what you think. You think it's an insurance thing? Yeah.

I don't think so. That's not how I heard it. I heard it. You have a, you have a better, uh, estimate than me. How did you hear it? Retaliation. Wait. So you think she raised healthcare prices?

No, no, no, no, no, like she had some sort of an accident of some sort. Yeah. And then, uh, your, your, your theory makes the most sense. Yeah. I, what, what did you think was going on there? I was, I'm way interested in your interpretation now because mine is great. I'm a big fan of him believing that they would declare a living woman clinically dead for a while to lower the cost of, uh, whatever.

Because that doesn't work. That doesn't track. But here's how I heard it and maybe I'm crazy, but, uh, maybe I'm a Hamamoto. You're a Hamamoto fan. Um, I heard it as she was making a stink at the university cause and trouble. Okay. And so they declared her dead because that is kind of how he makes it sound. Okay.

He's like, she has been being harassed and all this stuff. It seems like the declaring her dead was a, Hey, fuck you. You're dead now. Honestly, that makes as much sense as I agree. I agree. It makes as much sense. The proof of the pudding is in the eating and she is not dead. So that's not going to get you out of healthcare fees or whatever.

I don't, uh, I just, does he, does he tell the name of the book? No. No, come on. She wrote a book. He doesn't say the name of the book. He says that she wrote a great paper that if you email him, he'll give you the name of, he doesn't say the name of it, but I'm, what I'm saying is that like all of these things are like enough details that it's like, Oh yeah, he couldn't make all that up.

But seems like he could make all of that, but it's not enough that anyone could confirm this person's existence. So she's dead. Right. At this point. Legally. Jason Bourne. So halemoto is crazy in this next clip, uh, halemoto has a theory.

How would they even have that power? They don't, what in what situation could the university be like, okay, wait, her bills are what just declare her dead. Jordan. I don't want to give her just to move her under the rug. I'd be honest. I don't like your tone. You're dead now.

I declare you legally dead. I declare you dead. Oh no. Me too. You are dead, sir. I'm not cast for two dead guys. I just sit around to drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones. Two guys whose social security numbers no longer work.

Yay. Um, so, uh, halemoto got another theory. This guy has a lot of theories. Yeah. Uh, this next one, they're great. Uh, this one is a little soft. But the reason why students are dropping out of humanities and droves is because there's something called the theory scare that took hold in academia in 1970s.

And I, I think I alluded to this in an earlier conversation with you instead of reading the great classics. They'll see if ski, which I'm reading again now as an adult, it has a much more impact on me as a grown up person instead of reading these classics. They were just engaging in, uh, literally fraudulent, um, uh, high theoretical philosophical screeds by people like Paul Demand. They were people that were imported primarily from France. And I think that was a psyops.

Uh, if, if, if any enterprising PhD student wants to do a forensic analysis of it, I have an alternative theory to the Psiop theory. If any enterprising young PhD student ever put forward as their thesis to defend, I think the 1970s theory scare was a Psiop and I don't think they're going to get, uh, I don't think they're going to get past that. It led to in 2014, the people dropping out of humanities class in droves. In droves, I would imagine that Hamamoto sees a lot of people dropping out of his humanities class.

Cause they get in there and they're like, this guy's nuts. This guy's fucking crazy. Cause some people care about their grades and that is a chaotic element to have, like giving you grades. Like for us, we don't give a shit. We would have fun. It'd be awesome. Let's ride this out.

Oh, I got an F and fucking fantasy land class. Exactly. Give a shit, little wasted money, but it was worth it. It was worth it. Uh, so I have another alternative theory that's not just based on his subjective experience and that is the humanities path generally does not lead to good salary jobs. Not in my experience. Most of the humanities leads to academia or social work or those sorts of work from home

transcribing things. Absolutely. The certainly I'm in the soft humanities. Exactly. Like if you study Greek, let's say, or, or classics, you study classics, like Dostoevsky, which I don't mean, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about like classical. No, I know.

I know what you're saying. Or literature. Yeah. Even. I'm against it. Any of those sorts of things. The, the real path that you can go down is become a teacher. Yeah.

That's essentially what you can use that degree for. Like I have one of my majors as a minor, but I took a lot more than who cares. I took a lot of classes in Greek and if I were to go to grad school, I'd probably take more classes in Greek and classics and the only path and that would help you run an auto dealership. Absolutely. The only path that leads to is becoming a Greek teacher somewhere or something like that.

Someone who propagates Greek. This is not a Psyop. It's just Psyop. It's just people in a bad economy or an economy that's values people with our type of education so little. Yeah. Specialized degrees much more. You can get higher paying jobs.

People go to those. Yeah. You learned that when you're in college and that leads you to go away from the humanities if your motivation is money. So that is probably a more sensible explanation. New job market. I'm hearing. All right.

I'm listening. We tutor chemical engineers in the STEM field like just all STEM fields. Okay. All right. All of our humanity degrees then go to just kind of going into random STEM field people's homes and just teaching them Dostoevsky and shit like that. You know what I'm saying. Sure.

That way we'll never have a theory scare of the 1970s again. Sure. And we won't have to bring in these fucking French people over here. Okay. I don't know why you got to dig in at the French. Yeah. Like this guy fucking over most of them French. I mean it's hack conspiracy theory.

Yeah. Basically. Yeah. So at this point Alex is like how my motto has got theories. I got to come with something. Yeah. Let this guy run circles of crazy around me. Right.

And so he drops this. I go to Whole Foods and half the magazine are it's great to be poor now. It's so cool. But then meanwhile Obama's flying around Air Force One telling Africans they can't have cars or air conditioners. I mean why not say you can have clean cars and clean air conditioners. I mean it's just they're teaching us it's not good to progress as a new dark age to stop the Renaissance that threatens the monopoly of power.

So here's what's interesting. I know that it's tired for us to play him talking about that Obama is saying they can't have cars and air conditioners and flying in on a plane. The reason that I kept it in this time is because what he was saying is literally what Alex says why don't you say this like he says why don't you say you could have clean cars and clean air conditioning. And the point that Obama was making was we can't we can't modernize the entire world the same way we have modernized the world the first world that we have now.

We made a lot of mistakes on the way we have to be smarter about the technologies that we use or else the world is going to boil over. And so it's particularly offensive for me when Alex uses this narrative to make a stab at Barack Obama then give a why doesn't he say this and says exactly what Obama was saying. I think that does get into something that is true though. What's that. One of the biggest problems Alex has with Obama is he just doesn't talk like me. Sure.

Doesn't look like me. It's it's and I don't I don't necessarily think it's that either. I think it is smart. There's exactly. I think there's this huge anti intellectual movement that coincides with being on the right wing. That's why you have a professor like Hamamoto. Yeah.

Yeah. And there's a lot of really smart professors. They just they hate smart people. They hate experts. They hate all those people. Right. You know why. You know why.

That I often get. You know why. You don't have any common sense. Dude. You guys are so smart. But you don't have any common sense. You don't know how to solve this budget thing. Sure.

You know your math and your gay instruments. Well learning stuff is hard. That's why. Don't understand. People like I generally think that the sentiment of anti intellectualism that that runs rampant around this here country of ours. It mostly comes from people that are abused in their own head of the with the idea that smart people are smart people and dumb people are dumb people or that there is some sort

of an intrinsic thing where it's just innate. You guys are the fucking stupid. You think you're better than us because you were born smart or something like that. The born part is what they wind up getting kind of stuck on. And people don't take and they never come out and say as much necessarily. But I believe that's what's driving it when they don't realize that intelligence. I mean you can make a nature nurture split but the biggest piece of it is learning. The biggest piece of it is hard work and reading stuff and learning and I think we're going

to have to refer you back to the four ways to learn episode race memory race memory. That is how you learn. What was the other one. Well I know that the best way to learn is to learn. That's true. I do know that. That's a good one. So at this point Alex is like you got to talk some callers.

We got to take some calls and all right. This does not go home a moto calls. This doesn't go well. Okay. Here's why. Here's the caller that they get Eddie and Illinois. You're on the here with Professor. I know Eddie.

Yeah. How are you doing? Good brother. Get ready. Thanks Dan. Get ready. I fucking that was great work right there. You played just enough and then you real quick turn to the get ready.

I need for you to not have an expectation that this is going to be fun. Okay. This is going to be pretty sad. Okay. And not how I'm a moto heavy at all. Okay. I just want to say real quick that I'm in the middle of a change in my life and I have a question.

I bought the DNA force and oxy powder. I lost my job. 81682057. Hold on a second. Hold on a second brother. We can't give phone numbers out on air but I appreciate that because somebody could call in with somebody else's number is a form of harassment. I'm not saying you're doing that but we can't give phone numbers out.

Sometimes we give out 1-800 numbers because if it's a known number but that's a tactic sometimes people call in to talk radio and give out say their ex-wife's phone number. Go ahead. Yeah. Sorry about that. I just want to say I am in the season of giving you know in Illinois they're saying you can't film the cops. It's going to be a felony.

I'm getting ready to be evicted. I'm a very good person. I'm just wondering how I can you know I pray to God. Now I hear you brother. I hear you and I appreciate your call. You know you could give out your email if you wanted people to contact you locally and have them work with you. What's your email?

He's gone. Well he's gone. You know you're going to see that as the economy collapses and more and more people can't get a job and are kicked off their unemployment. First things first unemployment is unemployment insurance that's paid for by taxes. Second thing Alex absolutely hung up on that guy. Yeah. Undoubtedly.

You think so? The guy didn't hang up. He was in the middle of a sentence when Alex cut him off with his general we're done with his call kind of language. Right. And then he's like a what's your email. He absolutely fucking cut that guy off and hung up on him. I don't know if he did it personally.

Maybe the call screener did it. I would say it's probably more likely than miscommunication or something like that. Whatever it is that is a unempathic real shitty. I mean I know there's still if he did do it personally. They're still trying to make a show and I understand that. Do you think he has a button? Yeah. Probably.

You think he has a hard and fast like I bet he has a dump button. Of some sort or at least the people behind the board know like if someone starts cussing hit the button. Yeah. Because there was actually I found an episode where Robert David Steele was on and he's like Trump doesn't give a shit about us. Right. And then Alex was like we are on radio.

Yeah. So no I just think that's real. That was very sad. Yeah. That was sad. He lied about buying the DNA force. No. No.

He might have really. He might have really. Yeah. So essentially what he was doing is I'm going to give you this. Yeah. So you can give me this. Yeah. You can give me the opportunity to put my name out there and number and maybe some people.

Yeah. I'm going to be evicted from my house. Yeah. And instead Alex just hangs up on him. Yeah. It's real shitty. And then he's like trying to score points with talking about how like you know people are going to be losing their unemployment and like again that's a program a program

that you hate. So very very much. Right. Advocating getting rid of that stuff. Everybody hates Medicare until they're on Medicare and then all of a sudden they're like wait a second. I don't think this is a good idea to defund this. Oh why are you taking so much out of my check for these taxes.

Oh my God I'm sick and I've lost my job. Yeah. It's like what happened when fucking coach was on Fox News and he was like listen I've been on welfare. I've been on unemployment and I think those are bad programs because they saved my life. Like he just he just pulled Craig T. Nelson. Oh did you never see that one. I was trying to figure out if you were talking about coach coach or if you have to coach.

There's only one coach. Okay. There's only one coach. I was also thinking it might have been you might have been talking about Jonathan Coachman. No one coach. Craig T. Nelson. One true coach. Exactly.

So all praise. This call did not go well. And this is not what you want when Hamotos in studio. No that was kind of a bummer. Yeah. That's actually labeled bummer caller. But guess what we have something to pick us up. Okay.

So one of the catches of that phone call comes a new guest. Billy Corgan is our guest or as I say it in Texas draw where he butcher names Billy Corgan. Billy Corgan. That's why you play Billy Corgan. You know your friends with him you want to pronounce his name right Billy Corgan. And he's not in the hotel room he's flown in and landed. He is in the airport right now. So I can't wait to have him back in studio next time he's in Austin.

He's a regular listener and he's just a great guy. I learned that he was a listener through a man cow a fellow friend and he's a really smart guy one of the smartest people I've talked to not just in music or entertainment but period and Billy Corgan has actually taught me quite a bit about how to see the world and has helped me mature some and I think that's why out of the blue for the last decade or so you see just random hit pieces. No there's no scandals no dirt nothing. That's why you see him for a minute of the CIA attacking him.

So yeah dude when I fucking pulled open this episode and it said the guests were Hamamoto and Billy Corgan. I was like holy shit wow this is the goods. So all these hatchet pieces about Billy Corgan are easily explained by Billy Corgan is a fucking asshole seems like it. If you just look at this shortest Google search will turn up at least 10 instances of him being total dicks to bands he performs with. Yeah.

And so like everybody's got a oh yeah Billy Corgan was a total asshole to me right kind of story. It's like yeah I mean he's notorious most people. Most people think Billy Corgan affected them through their music and it helps them kind of grow that way and Alex is like nice kind of a shitty musician but let me tell you about this guy in chemtrails fucking made me mature quite a bit. He's anti-vaccination we know that for sure he's a mess but also what. At the end of that clip he said that Anderson Cooper from the CIA put not hit pieces about

him. Hey Coops. And I don't know I don't know how to just I don't know how to I don't know how to get into this. Just get into it baby. So Anderson Cooper had a segment on his on his show Anderson Cooper 360 around this time that was called the ridiculous and solid pun. I'm going to be honest.

Wordplay. It's a local TV level hackery. Yeah. You know it's just filler. It's the top 10 list of shit. Somewhat. Yeah. It's like an attempt at a comedy piece within the middle and you know what I think Anderson

Cooper is actually really funny. I've heard him on radio shows and I like him a lot. OK. Like he's been on back in the day he was on Love Line a couple times and he's been I've listened to a couple of like clips of him on Howard Stern and he's a super personable comfortable in his own skin present funny guy and this one rich segment is not OK. It's not great. You know it's it's definitely not great.

Yeah. But he had a bad producer. It wasn't him or does he come off as stiff and kind of shitty at it. No I just I think it's I think we are comedians and when you're looking for a premise you should try a little harder. What happened what happened was there was an issue of pause Chicago which pauses the no kill shelter. Yeah.

One of the big ones here in Chicago and Billy Corgan did a cover of the magazine with a couple of cats and you know the headline Siamese dream. And so he was on the cover of Chicago magazine. I don't appreciate that. And so at the same around the same time he did a commercial for a furniture store in Chicago and the point of Anderson Cooper's piece was like you know it's difficult to wrestle. Billy Corgan is an asshole.

It's difficult to wrestle with the idea of musicians getting older and that sort of thing. Yeah. He presents it a little bit. Ice Cube is in family films. That's shitty though because the reality is that Billy Corgan did do that cover for charity. There was like a charity piece attached to it. He didn't get paid for it or anything like that.

He's no ice cube. He's not taking that money home. And he's a supporter of the pause and it is a no kill shelter. It's all great. Pause is great. But the other piece they should get ice cube to do something. The other piece of it too though is that for the first time I've ever seen a movie that the other they should get ice cube to do something.

The other piece of it too though is that furniture commercial. That's not excusable that way. But it is out of character. You know like it beyond the saying you're washed up and it's a money thing. Right. It's also like you are avant-garde. You were someone who when I was younger I thought was really creative and rockin. Snoop Dogg has a game show and the cover is weird.

It looks really weird. If you look it up it's mockable on its own. Yeah. You should have taken another shot Billy. Right. It looks bad. Take two picks. But then even here I'm going to play you the end of this Anderson Cooper piece and you'll

hear that he takes the piss out of himself at the end too. You know what maybe the internet is the real problem here. There was a time that nobody outside of Chicago would have ever seen the cover of Paul's Chicago magazine. But nowadays you can't even pose for the cover of WebMD magazine. Wait a minute that's me on the cover of WebMD. Okay look for the record I have no memory of posing for the cover of WebMD though apparently I did.

I gave an interview. I don't know what I was doing on the cover of it. Anyway. So but like it like I said it's not a good bit. It's not good comedy but he even calls himself out a little bit. He even got sad at the end there. Kind of. That's not how you end that bit.

You don't end that bit Maudlin. It's not great but at the same time there is a there is an element of it where he's like hey I do it too. Yeah he was trying to make that point. Yeah he was trying to bring it full circle that it's like I'm not really being that mean. I just I needed to fill a human interest. I'm taking the piss out of you. It's not because I hate you or don't like you or disrespect you.

It's because hey we all do dumb shit. It was fun to point it out. The softest of hits possible. And oh boy. Almost the entire interview with Alex is about this. Of course. Because Billy Corgan the asshole. All right.

All right. So if I understand the timeline correctly. Yes. Anderson Cooper makes a bad joke at Billy Corgan's expense. Right. Billy Corgan chooses Billy Corgan. Billy Corgan goes on info wars. Not realizing how much sadder that is than being on the cover of pause magazine.

I propose a solution to this that Billy Corgan could have taken very easily. Shut the fuck up. No. Oh that's funny. I wish I mean I wish they would have called and I could have told them about the charity all that. But that's fine. That's fine.

You know people make jokes and whatever. It's a misunderstanding. Whatever. And then he goes on your fucking business instead he goes on info wars. He's like I'm taking the charity money back. He's not like mad. But he is furious. It's anyway.

Let's get to the first quote. All right. This is nonsense. All right. You heard my intro there. There's so much to get into. Let's talk about Anderson Cooper first. Not that it even matters has almost no viewers.

Dinosaur media. But at the same time it's so clear that every time you've got an album about to come out the hit pieces begin almost like your publicist is encouraging that sort of thing. Who would have guessed. Maybe your publicist sent a copy of this cover to Anderson Cooper's producers. Probably a good idea. Yeah. Because they want to slap you down.

Yeah well it's pretty strange. I don't know if your listeners know the context of this but I did a cover for a charity called cause Chicago. It's a no kill shelter model. Very proud. I've helped raise along with my partner in the band Jeff about a quarter million dollars for the charity. One of my proudest things I've ever done is being involved in animal rights issues.

And it was about six months ago. The image went viral. It's me and my rescue cats on the cover of the magazine. Never in a million years did I think I'd start getting attacked. And out of nowhere four or five months later there I am being made fun of. No context for the fact that it's charity magazine. Basically presented as if I've fallen so far off the celebrity radar that I'm reduced to doing a cat magazine.

Then ties it into kind of a where has he gone. Whatever happened to him kind of turned kind of making mocking my participation in professional wrestling. No mention of my new album. No mention of my successes. Nothing. As if I was some sort of I just disappeared off the celebrity map. Very strange.

And I think he's probably been a bit shocked by the reaction now because I fought back which you're not supposed to do. You're supposed to take your licks and just put your tail between your legs because the mighty CNN has spoken. Or just be a grown up about it. So like maybe send them a request for a correction even that would be not too far off the mature I actually I find his argument to be somewhat convincing. No I do.

He's a rock star and he's an aging rock star and he's not aging the way that the Rolling Stones do. So he's feeling bitter because no matter how sex successful you get you're always going to feel bitter about not being more successful because he's and then he's he's got a good point. That is the way that Cooper pulled that piece. He's lived like 15 20 years 25 years pissed off that he's not Nirvana. That is well yeah that is his existence.

And because of that there is probably an oppression complex much like Hamamoto's got like everybody in the Info Wars universe does that he's being held down and that his greatness isn't being recognized. How does Hamamoto feel about Billy Corgan loves him loves Billy Corgan. I don't fucking know. They didn't mention it. I want to know. I don't know.

This is the only thing I'm interested in now. Let me let me let me ring that boy. Oh man we could totally get Hamamoto on the phone. Yeah we probably could. We could totally do it. Let's let's look into that. Okay. Let's get our talent booker on that.

Yeah. The email. Yeah. System. So our talent booker. Look here's as far as I'm willing to go with you on this. Uh huh. I'm willing to agree that he has a good point.

He's got a good point. It was misrepresented. Yeah. But I don't believe super maliciously. If you are an adult looking at that your best play is to not get mad about it and to be like you know it's a human interest piece. They kind of were it. As an adult I agree with you.

I think as a person promoting your next album. But I think I disagree. I think the smart play there is to start a fucking shit war. Maybe. Yeah. There's more people paying attention to you and more people realize that you have another album out because nobody. That's the game.

Nobody's on. Yeah. If he's playing the game man he's crushing it. Well okay. I'm on his team. All right. I'm on Billy Corgan's team is the first time I've ever said that. All right.

Fine. Let's see him talk more about it. Okay. Just to give you a little bit. You're so mad right now. The contact on the other side of it. Right after the Anderson Cooper thing kind of went viral. I know you put a story on your site and I gave a quote for that.

I wonder if that's why it went viral. When that sort of kind of ticked back up into the mainstream consciousness. I probably did about 10 interviews in the next couple of days. And in seven of the 10 interviews I was asked about the Anderson Cooper flap and five of the seven people interviewed me had no idea it was for a charity. And then my response could have been oh it's interesting actually pause Chicago is this really great no kill shelter and I was doing it to support them. Everyone kind of misunderstands I understand maybe I didn't do a good enough job of explaining

that when my agent sent out the press release to Anderson Cooper's producer. Right. Maybe they could have done a better job for immediate release. Billy Corgan does cover for charity instead of Billy Corgan does very weird looking picture shoot. Yeah. It's this is all bad. Like it's I'm I'm telling you.

Okay. What if it were Kanye. Kanye is not coming on info wars. I'm just saying what if it were Kanye. Kanye gets gets the same result from Anderson Cooper on a CNN piece. Then Kanye goes on Fox News and goes on Hannity and he's like fuck this guy. I'm still on Kanye's side. So that shows you that there's still a little effect on this.

Counting on that low information project that will be on headline. That's it. They are targeting a low information crowd. But again that crowd of zombies really don't even matter anymore. I mean I'm sad to say that's like they're almost not even people. Billy Corgan less on their side now Billy Corgan. And in his defense of himself is like all these low information people who only go off headline.

Yeah. I'm not. I'm not a fan of that one. I'm not a fan of that one. You will turn on Billy by the end of this. Okay. That's what this whole episode is about. I am like look I agree with you that he did a good thing for charity.

And it was probably miscommunicated. But it's a fucking asshole. Anyway you're you're biased against assholes. No I'm fine with it. Most of my friends are assholes. That's true. I'm an asshole. So anyway here is a I don't know.

Let's talk more about Anderson Cooper. Speaking of Anderson Cooper he really is a CIA guy. He really was in the CIA. Not just an intern. He really is the grandson of one of the biggest dynasties in the country. What is it? The Askers. Nope.

So he's a little rich kid. Given everything he's got he's failed. He has some of the worst ratings on CNN. Nope. So I would feel good Billy to just to have this this this joke this failure that was given everything. I mean you came from nowhere. I came from nowhere.

No. He was given everything. He's the opposite of Americana. You know I think what's interesting to me you know I tried to stay out of the personal side of it. Although I did say the other day I wasn't born with a silver spoon on my arse. I tried to stay out of the personal stuff except for this example of the other day when I got into the personal stuff.

Yeah. Well he said he tried. He didn't say he succeeded. I think it's very interesting that there is a level of arrogance here. They that crowd whatever that crowd is and I've hung with them. You know I've been in those rooms and so have you. My buddies and so have you. That crowd really thinks they can sort of flick us off the shoulder anytime they want.

And what they don't realize is that people like you in here we're just symbols of a much greater conversation. They don't understand that a vast part of our country is waking up is breaking this hypnosis this grip of hypnosis. And they can't see it. They literally can't see it. They do not think they literally think they can just double down triple down on these narratives and these false paradigms and the public's just going to keep laughing them up.

Sounds a lot like Alex's listeners. What. OK. So if I understand that correctly. Gotcha. Billy Corrigan goes from a CNN did this dumb piece about me. I'm going to be all angry about it. You're making me act like a C-list celebrity instead of saying that I'm doing a great thing

for charity. I have an album to. There's a great awakening coming. CNN is the enemy. Yeah. I mean he's the only other thing they talk about other than Anderson Cooper in this interview is that everyone's asleep. Yeah.

Like that. There's just zombies. What about a new album. Also. I mean they do talk about that a bit like Billy Corrigan did come from humble beginnings but Alex didn't. His dad was a million man dentist paid for his first show as well. And he had multiple dental practices and owned tons of property in Austin.

Oh really. Yeah. So he's a millionaire. OK. Well then fuck that. Yeah. And I'm going to wait till this next clip plays but I got some harsh truths about Anderson Cooper that Alex is probably not willing to deal with.

Right. How could you not be eyes open at this point and his mother was a Vanderbilt the heir of the entire Vanderbilt fortune not not a not a aster but it doesn't matter they're interrelated right. And again nothing wrong with the last male heir of one of the biggest robber baron horrible dynasties. It's just give us a break Anderson Cooper because I don't even get into fighting with these personalities but at the same time.

Yes you do. I think it's important to not just respond and say hey I'm helping a cat charity leave me alone. Don't try to make me you know look like it has been when I'm not everybody knows that you've been popular all along. You've been great Billy Billy. You're the best. You're the best Billy.

Have you tried this B 12 that I'm getting out of here Billy Billy. Let me tell you something. Dr. Hamamoto it comes Dr. Hamamoto recommended. Yeah. If you want to get some more gay instruments in your smashing pumpkins band come on down to Hamamoto's gay instruments dot com. Yeah. So Anderson Cooper's mom Gloria is a Vanderbilt.

Yeah. She comes from the Vanderbilt family. Yeah. He is not the last male heir in the the vast Vanderbilt fortune now I'm assuming they got a bunch. He's been very clear in interviews throughout the entirety of his career that he was told at a very young age that he was disinherited from the family's wealth that there was no trust fund for him.

He's interpreted it as if I knew that there was a trust fund I would have never tried to succeed. Yeah. I don't know a lot of people who have billions or millions of dollars waiting for them that have a drive to succeed and I'm very glad that they disinherited me when I was a kid. Yeah. That I had no inheritance. A lot of people don't believe him but the actual real likelihood is that there is no

money. Yeah. Yeah. That's much more likely. His mom Gloria inherited the equivalent of thirty three million dollars not adjusted for inflation. So like it would be thirty three million dollars now in nineteen twenty five. That's a long fucking time ago.

His mom is old. How old is how old is Anderson Cooper. He's probably fifty something maybe fifty two. He looks great. Yeah. He does. He looks great. He looks amazing.

You know what it is. Trust fund money. I just I like Anderson Cooper. I don't know. I get it. I get it. So that's your real issue here. You're on Anderson Cooper side against Billy Corgan.

I get it. I don't think you can. I think you don't like Billy Corgan. I'm calling it down the middle. Is this a benevolent minus celebrity situation that we're running into? I've not met any of them. You've met Billy Corgan or Anderson Cooper. Who hurt you?

Dan, who hurt you? No one. Look, the issue is I'm calling it down the middle. I'm telling you that I think that it's correct that it's not right to clearly bring up that it is a charity thing that he did. Although also in 2009 Billy Corgan auctioned off the right to buy him lunch. Corgan paid $6,000 to get lunch with him, but had to pick up the tab. I mean, it's a little asshole.

I think you can. So I'm just saying. I think you can deduct the price of the meal along with your charity. No, they donated $6,000 and I would say probably like $142 worth of McDonald's. So Anderson Cooper's mom inherited the equivalent of $33 million in 1925 and family wrangling over the trust eventually accelerated her control of a slightly bigger share. A lifetime of artistic and business pursuits presumably helped her independent cash flow, but unless she stopped taking distributions long ago, nine decades is a long time for a

traditional trust to run. People have muttered that the trust was actually empty by the 1950s and it's unclear how much money the designer jeans and perfume line that she put out actually made her. By the time the perfume came out, she was already fighting her partners over a relatively insignificant $1.3 million. A few years later, a Manhattan court ruled that her lawyer and psychiatrist had colluded to misappropriate a whopping $1.4 million from her accounts. In the meantime, the IRS seized and liquidated her assets to pay a $2.5 million tax bill.

So there's a lot of indications that. They went broke. Yeah. So Anderson. No, they did a study on it and most inherited wealth is dead by the fourth generation or something along those lines. Absolutely. Because it becomes diffuse.

There's so many people that are that are in on it. Right. So the guy who made all the money, generally speaking, comes from a different place and if you're born into wealth, generally speaking, you're not going to be very good with money. And so there's a really good chance that when Anderson Cooper was a child, his parents told him that he's disinherited and there is no inheritance waiting for him and he interpreted it as a way to stiffen him up and make him more thirsty for life or whatever. But the reality is that there was no money there or there's a little bit of money, like

a couple million. Yeah. But they had a lot of property and they were in with social classes. Right. And so there was the appearance of royalty or luxury lifestyle when they were really just probably pretty upper middle class or lower upper class or whatever. They weren't like old money, the carcasses, carnagies of old or whatever. So Alex's whole presentation about him is really.

They weren't in the Great Gatsby or whatever. He's just trying to stoke up sort of like class anger that he doesn't deserve to play with because Alex, you probably have more money than his mom. Yeah, I know. They probably started out at a relatively similar monetary position. Right. It's just the image of the Vanderbilts. Right.

It comes with so much loaded baggage for Alex that he can't. Well, they're a lot of properties, making a great point on the message boards. Alex does come from royalty. Confederate. So that's a good point. That's a good point. In his next clip, Billy Corgan, well, he's been railing this entire time that Anderson Cooper has called him a washed up celebrity on this, this puff piece, human interest,

nonsense, missed comedy segment. Yeah. Yeah. I think in this clip, if you listen closely, Billy Corgan kind of says that his career is not going great. You know, we have to remember those of us that are awake, there are so many people that are, they're in that horrible moment of like, wow, if this stuff is true, what do I do?

And we see that more and more now, you see people waking up and it's really shocking to them that they've been given a lie sort of all along. And as you sit in bars and, you know, around coffee houses and talk to people about what's really going on, you can see that it's not so much that they don't know that something's happening. They just don't know what to do about it. We have to continue to prepare the way. And you know, this is not some begging appeal, you know, to be supported as an artist, but

what I would say to everybody is, is the artists in many ways are some of the most dangerous people in the world because we have that street credibility to go out and sing some gospel. And that's what makes me dangerous is once I get, once my career starts rolling in the right direction again, well, here I come because, well, how is it possible? I mean, they've tried to kill me how many times and, you know, Anderson Cooper is just a small example getting kicked in the shin. He did it.

What? He did it. I wrote down the moment he started talking about all that stuff. I wrote down, go to an ad pivot just like Alex Jones. He just nailed the Alex Jones. That's why I'm dangerous. That's what I'm doing. So once we get that career going, once we get that money going, that's right.

You did write that down. I wrote down, go to an ad pivot. Wow. Yeah. And he fucking nailed it. He listens to Alex Jones. Yeah. He probably does.

He's got his. He got that down. I'm dangerous. They're afraid of me because I'm the leader of the people who are awake. They can't stop me, which is why you guys need to go out and buy my new album. And that is what happens next. Yeah. They do talk about buying his album.

Of course. But at the same, first of all, I'm getting very impressed with your ability to pick out these like subtle versions of the ad pivot. You, you have hit me with so many ad pivots at this point, I'm starting, I'm starting to become a connoisseur. This is the, this is the education. That's, that's what it is. I'm a better educator than Hamamoto at this point and show you the way.

Look through Alex's bullshit, but we got to get you a tenner class at the University of Missouri. You know what? How to go to an ad pivot. You know what? When, when you said he did it, I thought what you were saying, and I was going to double down on was that I think he gave away that he probably planted the story about pause. Oh yeah.

Because when he says in there, my career gets going in a right direction again. Yeah. He's, he's, he's this blustery nonsense about like, oh, you're saying that I'm washed up. My career is not going in the right direction. Right. Right. What are you doing? Well, the reason it's not going in the right direction is because not enough people are

awake, not enough people know they got a red pillet and get rid of this CNN Anderson Cooper Vanderbilt bullshit and start listening to the new smashing pumpkins album out in two weeks. Here is one of the most grandiose and nonsensical plugs for Billy Corgan's album that happens right after this. If people go out and support independent artists that are speaking out against tyranny, it's great music as well. And buy your album at smashing pumpkins nexus.com and then play it for friends and then ask

that it be played on the radio or share it with their friends buy it a billboard. How do you bring the system down? You've got to go further and decide you want to promote cultures of liberty. I can't tell you historically how many kings, how many corrupt dynasties were brought down by a gesture telling jokes that became viral in ancient times or by the local band or even one guy with his, they didn't have guitars back then, you know, one guy with his little mandolin or whatever singing songs about the corrupt nobility. That would change it.

So a song or an idea that isn't in the hands of the system could bring them down. And that's why they target people like you think that's matrix shit. But at the same time, Jordan, how do you get rid of oppressive regimes, Dan? Well, I know that by my shit, this machine kills fascists. That is exactly what he's doing right there. He's doing the full on. You don't you don't go out and do any activism. What you do, you wait for somebody to write a song and you buy it.

You buy the stuff that I promote. You buy the song. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. That's shameful. But then at the same time, I have studied a bit of history in my life. I know that you're a student of history as well.

Yeah, that's not how it works. Do you know of any kings that were brought down by gestures or song or is that just an archetype that artists tell the old boy? Let's see. Henry VIII. Uh-huh. He was brought down by a flatulence, the great, who was a Greek time traveling farter. Uh-huh.

He did mined farts. Exactly. Right. Let's see. No. No. The answer is no. No.

The sixties did shit. Yeah. Yeah. Where's our new protest music? Well, it didn't fucking work last time. Where's our new protest? Anything. I mean, Billy Corgan even gets into that a little bit.

He's like, uh, he's like, where's the political music now? Like, cares. Yeah. Um, but anyway, it went to hip hop asshole. So now, uh, Alex gets weird because, uh, they're already talking about the potency of song and all that stuff. Yeah. And in this next clip, Alex reveals something real weird.

Now we're going to post this video later today on Facebook and Twitter. It needs to go viral because he has a lot of courage saying what he's saying because they really come after people. And I got to be very careful here, what I'm going to say about John Lennon. But they made a film six, seven years ago that won a bunch of awards that had the declassified documents were Strom Thurman, the senator and others said, we want him taken out. We know the suspicious way it was killed. I'm just going to stop right there.

But I, I've talked to the highest level people and been told stuff about what really went on and then what happened to them afterwards and everything. And I can tell you the FBI and the CIA killed John Lennon and then they went on a campaign to cover up what they did with their patsy. And so that's why when we talk about this, folks, it's very dangerous. What aren't you telling people? You told people everything. What did we, he's just like, look, I can't tell you what I know, but here's, here's all

of it. Is that a thing? No. Do people believe that? Alex might. I believe that the FBI and the CIA working together, which they don't traditionally do, especially not back then, I killed John Lennon in Britain. If you're awake.

Oh yeah. Unfortunately. He was in New York, wasn't he? Oh, that's right. He was. Yeah. He was at that hotel. Sorry.

They picked the right time. It would have been funnier. It would have been a lot funnier. It would have been much more unrealistic. No, I don't think I don't. I don't know. Well, unless they, that was all part of the cover up and they killed him back in Liverpool when he was nine.

I mean, some people believe that Paul McCartney is still alive. So, I mean, it takes all kinds. You understand? I mean, it's weird that anyway, this next clip is, this next clip is on. I got it. Okay. This next clip is unfortunate in hindsight because they start talking about how, I don't even, I don't even remember how they got onto this topic.

That's not important, but this is, this is dumb. Almost all local news is written in New York or LA or DC, this is on record and packaged and sent. You tell them a local story and then they send down what you say or it's read off a teleprompter if it's a national story. Right. So, so if there's a, if you know, there's a man in a high castle somewhere, you know, there's not a lot of them, but they're able to, through their, their control and their

media control, sort of manipulate the storyline. Yeah. Your listeners know. I don't know what he's alluding to the listeners know, but it's on local news. When you're, when you're watching your local news action six or whatever it is, uh, there's a good chance that they don't know what the story actually is. Right. And only from New York or LA, they are broadcasting teleprompter things.

So the people sitting around at the desk are all reading for the first time, local news. Well, there's what there. I mean, that's, that's nonsense. But at the same time, I want to say one thing really quick before I dive into this, that's going to be damning, um, the man in the high castle wasn't about that as a Philip K. Dick fan. Don't, don't use that as your metaphor. I know you visually think it makes sense, but that's not what the man in the high castle

was doing. No, it's about a man in a high castle. No, that's not what it was going on. That's what, don't you remember catching the ride? It's about a dude catching all that fucking ride. So much ride. So much fucking ride. So Alex's conception of what is going on with local news is sort of spiritually correct,

but it's not correct in the way he conceives of it. Right. If you look at what he's talking about is Sinclair broadcasting. Bingo. Unfortunately, they are expanding and completing total control over all local news everywhere and forcing people to run their propaganda. Uh-huh. And that's bad.

Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty interesting too. If you look at what's happened with Sinclair since Trump got into office. A lot of good things strangely enough. It seems like they're coming out as a big winner. Yeah. Monday morning.

Uh, this is back in, I believe, March of this year. Yes. That's correct. May, excuse me. Uh, this is an article from, uh, from Common Dreams, which just aggregates stuff from other places. This is from the Fairness and Accuracy and Reporting Organization Monday morning Sinclair broadcast group that conservative media behemoth that owns more local news stations than any

other company in the country just got even bigger. It announced that it was buying Tribune Media for $3.9 billion, creating what Bloomberg calls a TV goliath. The purchase, which Sinclair, uh, which gives Sinclair a staggering reach of nearly 69. No. Percent of the US population would have not happened in no high fives for that. That would have been in violation of ownership restrictions just weeks ago. But last month, the Trump appointed FCC chair, Ajit Pi, reinstated the UHF discount, an outdated

loophole that allowed media conglomerates to exceed the nation's 39% cap on ownership of media stuff. Sinclair made a $420 million deal to buy Bonton Media Group, uh, the very next day. This sequence of events, quote, sure looks like a quid pro quo, as Craig Aaron of the media advocacy group Free Press has noted. Months ago, Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, told business executives, according to Politico, they quote, Trump's campaign struck a deal with Sinclair broadcast group during the campaign to try and secure better coverage.

The deal Politico reported was that Sinclair would give Trump more uncritical coverage in exchange for more access to Trump and the campaign. Now, Trump appears to be using the considerable power of the Federal Communications Commission as his own personal ATM for political currency and Trump's son is fucking stupid. Yep. He's so dumb. Yep. And anyways, Adjit Pai, well, just recently they, uh,

I'm not done. Yeah. I was going to say the one that was just a couple of weeks ago is fucking insane. Well, also you got to take into consideration that, uh, in the summer of this year in June or July, excuse me, um, this, this is from an article in Politico, uh, even while under fire for requiring its outlets to run conservative content, Sinclair broadcast group is increasing the quote must run segments across its affiliates featuring former Trump White House official Boris Epfazion to nine times a week.

The company confirmed Monday. Yeah, you have to run it and must run nine times a week. Yeah, you have to run it. 69% of the, uh, the coverage in the, in the country of, of a conservative propaganda piece that is masked to look like local news being presented by a former Trump White House official. Also they have pieces that are made by a former Trump communications advisor, Jason Miller. I'm not seeing any red flags there. Multiple Trump people have gone over and started to actively work for the centralized Sinclair

broadcast company. Not seeing any problems. Big problems. Yeah. The, the biggest thing that the FCC just did is allow, uh, local, uh, there used to be a rule. Monopoly is shit. There used to be a rule that you had to have at least six or seven local media outlets.

Right. And they just got rid of that, which means that Sinclair media is only going to expand its total domination of local news markets. Yeah. It is a nightmare. It's, it's interesting to me that it's as far as far reaching consequences have gone. Ajit Pai has been the most damaging person in the Trump, uh, cabinet. I mean, it's, uh, or the Trump appointees.

It's, uh, it's, uh, it's a, in terms of the future, I think Ajit Pai is probably going to kill us all. It's a real stacked field. It's a tight race. It's a tight race. Real tough to make that kind of declaration, but it looks bad. But none of his, none of his, none of his legislation has really gotten through. Uh, his Muslim bands have been stopped by the courts.

There's a legal challenge to just about everything. Right. The only thing that has apparently unilateral control is the FCC. Yeah. And Ajit Pai has singularly destroyed net neutrality, uh, destroyed, uh, any protections against monopoly. He's expanded the power of media conglomerates more than I think anybody's ever done. And the very, he's gotten rid of the need for, uh, equal internet.

Internet access. He's given a huge boon to your Comcast and your AT&T and all that shit in order to make sure that if you're poor and in the middle of nowhere, they don't have to service you. Cause that costs them money and they don't get as much as they want. Yep. And the very idea that there was some sort of a deal about coverage for access. Oh, no, that's fine. No, but just the, uh, the idea that that is the, uh, predicate to the antecedent that

we're seeing now, that's totally fine. It is not fine. No, no, no, that's how government works, Dan. Backroom deals. You got to give them a, you got to give a little, get a, get a little, you know what I'm saying? I don't. I mean, I do, but I don't.

Well, I mean, is that any different from a guy like Roger Ailes, who stands to make so much more money? A little different. Uh, I don't, I disagree. I think it's a bigger con. Okay. Uh, I mean, it's a less, it's not as good a con, but it is, it's not as good a, a situation there.

Getting into fake, uh, uh, local news, making it appear that these are, uh, not, uh, centralized reports from biased people is going to do, uh, an incredibly insidious job of radicalizing people in smaller communities. You're going to have the output of that be, I mean, I guess that's the same thing. If they just watched Fox and small towns too, exactly. It's all bad. Yeah, it's all bad. Same thing as Roger Ailes, who stands to gain so much for Trump winning as opposed to dead

or no, not him. Who's the, uh, who's the fuck who runs Tribune, uh, who runs Fox News, the guy who owns it. Wasn't, I mean, Roger Ailes, but he's, didn't he die? No, not the, the guy who owns it. I don't know. Murdock. Murdock. I think he's dead too.

No. All right. Who the fuck is it? Everyone's dead. Why don't I remember it? We're dead. It's all bad. Owner stands to gain a lot.

Right. Trump wins because he uses his massive media company to run propaganda for him. Right. Yeah. So this is all bad. Uh, but I, we have one more clip left and I, uh, I'm not the kind of guy who's going to make everything a downer. I'm going to leave you with a punchline.

You know, sometimes when I'm sitting around a table and, uh, and your name comes up or I say some things that I've learned through you and through other people, um, they get into like kind of games about accuracy, like, well, how can you know that that's true? And all I got to say again and again is like, look, come on, something's, something's off here. Something's wrong. And people like you, people like me, we don't have to be accurate. It's not our job.

Our job is not to be perfect. We don't hold ourselves to be up to be perfect. We don't hold ourselves to be, uh, you know, uh, capers or tooth tellers or something like that. We're just pointing it as you often say, you know, you're just pointing and saying, uh, do you see that big thing that's coming down the road? I do. Alex agrees.

He's like, yeah, it's bad just having him say that. It's damning to be like, you're such a star fucker that you will agree with Billy Corgan saying literally the opposite of how you conceive of yourself. Yeah. It's not, listen, we don't have to be truth guys. We don't even say we're truth guys like us. We don't have to be accurate. No.

Never has there been a truer thing said on the Alex Jones show. That's probably true. That's amazing. Yeah. Fuck all of you. Not our listeners, but definitely Billy Corgan. Fuck all the, how did you do it? You turned me on Billy Corgan.

Boom. I was all about celebrities are allowed to be assholes and now he's a fucking asshole. He's the wrong kind of asshole. He's the wrong kind of asshole. Yeah. So anyway, it's very disappointing. So anyway, power rankings on the moto, still the number one crazy. He's tops.

Oh man. Fuck. And how is it that Alex is such a star fucker? So stupid. If anybody else who wasn't famous, like if even, if even Pachanik or somebody like that, who was smart enough to know that he would never, he would never challenge him and be like, listen, Alex, you're not accurate all the time. I'll be like, I'm 99% accurate.

I'm not accurate. Even when I'm wrong, I'm right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I can see the future in new years, the new years info today, but back in the future. Right. Like that whole thing, but if it's somebody famous, he'll agree to anything you say Billy

Corgan. Yeah. And I imagine, I imagine, uh, you know, a week later when he listened back to this episode, he had a thought, something like this, like a lot of mistakes. I say stupid stuff sometimes. I mean, I hear my show rebroadcast and go, Oh my God, that sounds horrible. I don't mean that.

Yep. I imagine that's probably what you would like to think about. Solid punch. Yeah. Solid punchline there. Fuck you. Alex Jones. Fuck you.

Alex Jones. Fuck you. Billy Corgan. Congratulations on just out of the, out of nowhere, choosing an amazing date to go over. There's a lot of, a lot of bullshit in that episode. A lot of bullshit in that episode. Yeah. So this has been the show.

Uh, we've been back to 2014 and now we will come back to the present. Every time we do a time travel episode, we'd never find what we think. Yeah. Exactly. Every time somebody's like, Oh, this is when this big thing happened. I was like, I want to hear what he has to say about the torture report. And you're like, yes, but how about Hamamoto and Billy Corgan too? Yeah.

How about Hamamoto and Billy Corgan more? Yeah. It's like, uh, what am I? Torture is bad. What happened? What happened to that Malaysian plane? Oh, Alex Jones is going to eat a hamburger covered in super male vitality. What the fuck is going on?

Show's ridiculous. Anyway, I fucking love it. It's been fun. It's so fucking stupid. If you guys want to learn more about Alex Jones or us in particular, you can go to Billy Corgan. Sure.

We have a lot of news on him. We're going to do a lot more Billy Corgan pieces from now on. You can find us over at knowledge fight.com. That is our website. Find us. Writing content. We look up there every Thursday. You're throwing down some great material every, uh, whenever, all the time now.

Sure. Sure. Sure. Um, you can also follow us on Twitter. Yes. At knowledge. And then there's an underscore. There is.

And then there's the word fight. Uh-huh. We're also on Facebook. We are. Uh, you can go to iTunes. Download it. Mm-hmm. Subscribe to it.

Why not? Leave a review. Couldn't hurt. All of those things. Uh-huh. I don't know. Yeah, it couldn't hurt. I don't know if it helps.

You know, if you're on your flesh. So I know our website is knowledge fight.com. And I think that's a pretty good name for our website. I think it's a solid name. I think it's a decent name. I was hoping for, uh, we love mainstream media attacks, but to be fair, there was a, there was a guy, uh, he's actually sitting on the domain name that I wanted. Really?

Yeah. No way. What domain name? No more fake news.com. Oh, how did he get that one? Uh, he got it back when it was Angel cities or Angel fire. Geo cities. Yeah.

Uh, and he still has not remodeled the page. I'm very disappointed in it. Naturally. Go to square space, John Rappaport. Seriously. Don't advertise for square space. We don't do ads for square space unless they pay us. No free rides.

That's a podcast rule. I use square space and it's pretty convenient. All right. All right. It's just a statement of fact. All right. John Rappaport, you should really update that website because it looks like a hot pile of garbage.

And until you update that website, I want your URL until you update that website, John Rappaport, there's a duty to tell you that you can go fuck yourself. John Rappaport. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Oh, Alex. I'm a first time caller.

I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.