Knowledge Fight - #1074: The Empire Claps Back

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan review the tape of Alex's response to Owen Shroyer's "Why I Left Infowars" video, which ends up involving a rampage through three different shows on September 2.

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I love you. Hey, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship with the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you.

What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? Why don't you go first? My bright spot is... Tennis? Absolutely tennis. It is that I will be going to the United States Open final. Okay.

Tomorrow. Yeah. You're going on a little vacation. Tomorrow, yeah, we're going to New York. My wife and I are going to the New York City. Tomorrow, Jokovic and Al-Qaraz will play, and Yannick Sinner and Felix O'Say Ali Asim will play, and hopefully at the end of it,

that means that I will get to see Yannick Sinner versus Carlos Algaraz in real life. That's pretty wild. It's crazy. Yeah, but unfortunately you've now just given out your assassination coordinates. Yes, I will be at Arthur Ash Stadium for the finals of the United States Open. If you are looking to murder me, that is where I will be. So, yeah, I mean, like, hey, good luck, good luck surviving. I mean, I assume that the only time I've really thought about New York City and movies is in the Highlander.

So I'm assuming that there will be sword fights. That is just what I imagine has to happen. Yeah, I imagine there will be swords. Yeah. How could that be? Catana's left and right. Yeah, absolutely. Little known fact about Arthur Ash.

Catana Master. Exactly. What's a tennis racket, but a katana with strings? everybody says that um how disappointed will you be on a scale of one to three uh if it's not that matchup i well here's the other good thing about it right though is that jockovic is so no matter what happens it'll be either alcaraz or jokovic in the final which means either i'll get to see the ascendant young superstar who can perform magic or the single greatest tennis player that it's ever lived and i've never seen before so that'll be magical anyways right like that will be a

moment for me. That's great. That's great that there's the optimism or like it just almost can't be bad. It can't. Unless you get murdered. I mean, well, but if I get murdered, then it can't be worse. You are just a glass half full kind of guy. This is what we need for the bright spot. Everybody says that about me all the time. Well, I hope you have a great trip. Yeah. And incidentally, that is a good way to say we were not, we're not going to have an episode on Monday. We will have it. But hey, whatever. Yeah, what you're going to do? What's your right spot? I guess my bright spot is that it seems pretty clear that this isn't fake between Alex and Owen.

I think I've come down on the side of this is not a staged thing. There's no work going on here. I don't think so. Okay. My sense of it is I think that this is a real bad time for everyone involved. Classic mistakes being made by. Left and right. Yeah, these guys.

I believe it. So I guess, yeah, my bright spot is that something. is happening implosion is imminent yeah it feels like it so today that's what we're going to be talking about nice we're going to be talking about the response the oh yeah Alex is well I mean what does Alex have to say about this yep on our last episode we talked for three hours about Owen Schroyer quitting yep at Info Wars and doing a five hour stream where he complained and uh insulted the shit out of Alex but seemed to think he wasn't yeah um and uh today we are going to See what happens the whole day on Info Wars.

I bet, and I mean, listen, I've been wrong in the past, but I think he pulls it together on this one and acts real classy. Well, I know that Owen wanted him to maybe be classy. I mean, he said, hey, maybe Alex could just not even talk about it. Alex could just ignore it. I bet Alex will just be a classic dude. Like, they've worked together for a long time. Whatever, bygones be bygones.

It's all good, right? Have you heard any of the response? Nope. Great. you're going to love some of this. I bet, listen, I don't need to hear the response to know in advance that it is terrible. I'm just interested in knowing what exactly terrible it is. It's a bunch of different kinds.

I bet. I believe it. So we'll get down to business on this, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Ooh, that's a great idea. So first, Connor says, blah, blah, blah to his wonderful partner, Marie, you're the best sea monster. Thank you so much. You're not a policy won. I'm a policy won.

Thank you very much. Thank you. So next to my amazing partners, Demi, Crash, Joe, and Shield. I'm so sorry I've rotted my brain with conspiracy theories, and now y'all have to hear about it. Love, Ashley Strange. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. And to my deep state globalist, Sarah and Steve, from the vaccine terrorist, Jen. Much love to you both. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And we got a technical guy to the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Leo.

This shout is for you, the guy who is everything I wanted and everything I didn't know I needed. Hopefully this episode will have Lionel in it. I'm sorry. So Jordan will sing the theme song, or maybe Leo Neo DZX Clark will pop up again. Who knows? You are not a loser, little titty baby.

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loser little little titty baby i don't want to hate black people i renounce jesus christ it's too bad that i'm cold reading these because otherwise i could have loaded up the lionel theme song that would have been good but oh well well well you can't have everything with a cold read yeah but uh lino lionel line no lie no what a great song what fun yep so um before we get to uh this episode i'd like to play for you and out of context drop for today's show she didn't push out and lie about your people No. Well, I mean, they say Snitches get stitches. They do. They do say that snitches get stitches.

I bet he's doing great. Yeah. I bet he's doing great. That was a more circumspect and subdued part of the day. Oh, okay. That should give you some sense of where we're going. All right. We're not going to be pronouncing words all the way. So before we get into anything here, I need to clear up something that's caused a little bit of confusion. There's a clip that people have posted.

posted online of Alex standing behind Owen where he's interrupting the show and being an asshole and at the end of it Owen is clearly pissed off and he tells the show to the crew like we're going to rebroadcast. Some people have posted it claiming it was the last day that Owen was there and it is the blow up and the walkout. Sure. But that's not correct. In that video, Owen's wearing a black shirt and Alex is in a t-shirt, but this is from before Owen's hiatus. That clip is from the war room on August 7th. This was one. This was one. one of the other times that Alex has barged in and annoyed Owen during his show, but it wasn't the day that Owen walked out. It's very understandable that people would think that that was

the event because it looks exactly like what Owen described, but it's a different day. Right. If you watch that episode of the War Room, they just go to commercial. And when Owen comes back, he's doing a really anti-Semitic character with a tinfoil Yamika talking about how Alex attacked him because he'd converted to Judaism. Right. So, like, they were doing a bit. right the annoyance and owen saying let's go to rebroadcast i don't think it was a bit right but they turned it into a bit right right right well i mean that makes sense since part of the reason that owen did the whole thing was because when he went on the hiatus he came back and he had the exact same problem so i mean one to one is you know usually you say the exact same problems and

you figure you know it's kind of the same kind of problem it feels like that is the exact same thing that happened yeah you can i'm sure if you were to dig through the war room archives you could find other instances of this, too. Like, I'm sure that that wasn't the only time. Right. But, yeah, some people have, I've seen some posts that are along the lines of, like, Dan said nothing happened. And this looks like something happened.

Right. And it's a different day. There are a lot of things on this camel's back, you know? Over the years, if you work with Alex, you're going to have a lot of things on the back. That day, August 7th, is a. an avatar of the day he walked out. It's the same thing. It's just not that day.

So on our last episode, we discussed the earth-shattering news that Owen Troyer had left in for wars and covered his five-hour stream talking about how he was going to be the next Rush Limbaugh. It was a painful look at a man completely given over to unearned confidence. And our take on it was generally that Owen deserved to get fired, but that Alex was obviously creating a hostile work environment that Owen shouldn't have been subjected to and it's wrong. From a human resources standpoint, it wasn't really all that complicated, but from an emotional and psychological level, it was a mess. Owen clearly felt undervalued and he believed that he could launch his own network and that he was entitled to be allowed to promote it on InfoWars, even after he'd stormed out on his own and made some pretty unreasonable demands from his boss.

That boss, Alex, just told him to get lost and not come back, so Owen did the only thing he could. Try to launch the network on his own by creating a media moment out of leaving Info Wars. And he really, really fucked up. But when we were recording the last episode, it wasn't clear how badly he'd fucked up yet. Whether or not he'd fucked up relied on how Alex took his comments. Owen had hoped that Alex would be chill about it and not respond. Maybe they could just both move on and be classy towards each other. That'd be nice.

Everyone can take the high road. Why not? I mean, we've worked together for 10 years. There's no way I would know that he wouldn't do something like that. There's so much room on the high road. It's why. That's for everybody. Owen thought that he was being magnanimous.

and his stream and definitely said that he didn't have anything bad to say about Alex multiple times. But underneath the surface, he was constantly insulting Alex and promising that his new show wasn't just going to be wall-to-wall ads and permanent going out of business sales. He was trying to elevate his future show by defining it as an alternative to InfoWars, where InfoWars is all just manipulative advertising. He also totally fucked up in terms of answering questions about Alex controlling his content while he worked there. If he wanted to make a clean break and expected Alex to be cool about it, he needed to tow the party line and just say, Alex never told me what to say, I was free as a bird.

Anything short of that is suspicious. And because Owen gave answers that acknowledged things like how Alex would be mean to him at work because he was too negative about Trump, the stream left viewers with the impression that Alex exerted a very strong but maybe passive aggressive editorial influence on his staff. Sure. Owen thought he could say the words, I have nothing bad to say about Alex a bunch. and that would make up for his actions which were intensely negative towards Alex and Info Wars

and it almost worked on the morning of September 2nd Alex woke up to find that Owen and made this quitting video and it probably wasn't a huge surprise to him Owen did that stream after having a call with Alex so Alex knew that he had quit and they exist

like in a media space where it's like you have to act fast If you're surprised by this you haven't been alive for your entire life Alex had to know like well he's a free agent. He's going to do what he needs to do. He's probably going to make a video. But Alex didn't watch Owen's video, and he thought it was just a quitting announcement. So he posted a response on Twitter at about 6.30 in the morning.

Quote, Owen has wanted to go for a while. He told me he was quitting yesterday afternoon. He told me, if I needed him another week, he would do it, and I said, no. It's that simple. I built Info Wars to be a radio talk show on TV. The office is a newsroom, so when big stuff would break, I and others would bring stuff to the show producers. That's as far as me standing over his shoulder went, except maybe twice a month walking onto the show. That's what we have always done on the shows, including mine. I've known Owen for over nine years and love the guy. That said, when I started to watch what he said last night online, it was sad, and I stopped.

I wish Owen all the best for his life and the great work he does fighting evil and promoting freedom. I never censored him and agreed with 99% of what I saw him talk about. I only encouraged him to be more positive in general about the fact that humanity has come a long way, and the Great Awakening. Bottom line, he wants to be his own captain, and I think that's great. I'm surprised by the censorship claim he's hinting at, but if he thinks he needs to say that

to build his own show, that will be on him. As for me, I'm taking the high road and will continue to promote Owen when I see cool stuff he does. Godspeed to Owen. Okay, so that was kind of what I thought he was going to say. You know, I thought he was going to be really cool about this. I thought he was going to be nice.

I think they were going to have a nice clean break. I mean, it's a good thing that he does this in the morning. first thing gets it out of the way that way he just puts it out of his mind doesn't think about it and we just move on right no big deal because he probably just thought that what owen's stream was was like uh hey i'm launching my own thing right no disrespect totally i'm gonna be cool about this or whatever he hadn't watched any of it he had no idea and that made it a disappointing response it's a little bit adult right it's kind of professional so people are going to let him know that he should not respond that way it's offering slight pushback on the points that are unaccepting But it's clear that whatever Owen said didn't get under Alex's skin. It looked like Owen was going to get what he wanted for the two men to just be able to move on. But I stress, when Alex wrote that tweet, he hadn't watched what Owen said. It's clear that someone had just told him some general impressions of the video. So Alex probably thought it wasn't so bad.

It'll be all right. Owen did say that he had nothing bad to say about Alex and he hopes they can keep it classy at the beginning of the stream. So maybe Alex saw that part and he understood the message that. that Owen was trying to send. Right. Owen saying that he hoped Alex would just say nothing and move on. It's sort of an offer of a deal. It was Owen saying, I'm not going to burn you if you don't burn me.

And I can imagine Alex seeing that opening couple minutes of the Owen stream, hearing that and thinking, I don't need to watch five hours of this shit. He's clearly indicating that he's playing ball. Yep. But Owen said shit in that stream that he can't take back. And later that morning, Alex finally got around to watching some of the stream. And let's say the reviews were not good. Oh, no.

Today we're walking through September 2nd on Info Wars, all the shows, or as I'm choosing to call it, The Empire Claps Back. Okay. Oh, God. The day begins at 8 a.m. when Harrison Smith checks in for the American Journal. Harrison is basically the only main on-air talent remaining at Info Wars other than Alex, now that Owen and Chase are both gone. But it would have been a mistake to say that the other two guys leaving has made Harrison the number two guy at the network. Yeah. As the talent has disappeared, there have been some other. shifts going on. One of the more noticeable ones being that Alex's son, Rex, has been popping up

up a lot more. That painfully boring Good Morning Infoars show with Brianna Morello has started on Saturdays. And that weird guy from Twitter, Nick Sortor, has taken over Chase's Sunday night show that would air after Alex's Sunday show. So he's got an Info Wars show now. All right. These kind of moves have highlighted the ultimate truth that Owen never understood. And that is that Alex is InfoWars. All of the other people who are there are just performers and they are replaceable regardless of how important they might feel

on the day-to-day basis inside Info Wars. The only thing that matters is Alex. If he's there then it's Info Wars. On day one, it was just him and that never changed. Ask Paul Joseph Watson how important he really was. Ask David Knight,

Jason Burmiss, Aaron Dykes, Leanne McAdoo, Jacari Jackson. All of them are replaceable. props and it's silly to think anything else because a fair number of the past crew these people they got their jobs by winning a contest yep you enter the info wars raffle you might win a truck or you might get your own show so we begin in the early hours with harrison the little nazi who's just begging to be stuffed in a locker he comes in he's hosting the american journal do you what do you know what it is all of this all of the other shows

all of the studio, all of this exists to serve Alex's ego that he is a newsman. We're going to talk about this a little bit later. You are 100% right. That's the whole thing. Your job is to make Alex feel like he's in the news. But it's a two-way street.

Right. You feel like you're in the news. Yeah. We're going to talk about this because it's something that I think Harrison fully understands. Okay. Harrison's going to be. Okay. Good for Harrison. I think one of the theses that I'm going to work out here

is that Harrison knows his damn place. Okay. And it's kind of funny. I get my little Nazi spot, and that's it. Yeah. All right. So he starts off on his show, and he feels really weird about everything. Like, everyone on Twitter is talking about Owen and quitting, and he's like, well, this is my friend.

Welcome to The American Journal. I'm your host Harrison Smith. Coming to you live this Tuesday morning, 2nd September 2025. You don't know what's really weird. You want to know a really weird thing is when the internal vicissitudes of your business life are completely public. You know what's a very weird feeling

that I still haven't gotten used to is being a minor celebrity. It's very weird. It's very bizarre. I was telling this to my life yesterday because she used to work for this company and recently the company went through a lot of changes, people leaving, new people coming, changing sort of who their market base was. I said, now, imagine if at every move during that whole saga, you had thousands and thousands of people all over the internet commenting about it.

Wouldn't that be weird? Wouldn't that be kind of crazy? I totally understand where Harrison's coming from. It's very strange as a feeling to go from total obscurity to someone people are posting about online. I empathize with the boy, but he has to understand that he is working for a media figure who's pretending to fight a holy war against the literal devil who raffles off trucks and jumps at every opportunity to get attention. That boss is also a complete Twitter addict, so the last few months have just, like, they've all been about trying to maximize the amount of exposure he can get on that platform, so when

something major happens with his company, no shit people on Twitter are going to be talking. I don't know where Harrison's wife works, but I imagine if it was an extremely, right-wing conspiracy bullshit TV network run by a man who pretends to talk to God, their staffing changes might get tweeted about a little more. He's living in a high attention gravity situation. Yeah. And he's doing it backwards. He's doing it the way Alex does it. Like, listen, you don't want to be on there to hear what people have to say. That's not going to help you. You say inflammatory things and then run away and they can all yell at each other.

You don't need to take any of it personally. Yeah, drop a bomb and then mute it. Yeah, like, think about your own analogy. Imagine if your wife was somebody who is being talked about, but she didn't know. There's no difference. Yeah, if she has a real job and everyone's tweeting about their staffing changes, how is looking at that going to help her navigate those staffing changes? Right. It's not. It's going to get in the way.

It just means nothing. Yeah. Yeah. So Owen quit. Good for him. And I think that Harrison's take on it, at least at the, this point in the morning is that he did it pretty classy all right obviously the big news is last night owen schroier announced he left info wars and if you want to know why i suggest you go

watch the stream that he did uh last night something like 200 000 people watching simultaneously it turned out to be a bit of a news story a bit of a big deal i think he handled it very very very well i uh do you know he could have very easily made up drama which without naming names others have done in the past so at this point no one at info wars had apparently watched owen's stream or if harrison has he's decided not to rock the boat if you watched what owen did it would be impossible to not come away with the impression that he was saying alex applied censorious pressure on him and that Alex uses fraudulent marketing tactics disguised as content. Yeah.

Owen took big shots at Alex, but you'd have to watch the video to know that, and it's five hours long. By the next morning, there's no, there hasn't been any nuclear bombs on Twitter from the stream. And so I think that's giving the false impression that Owen didn't stir the pot that much. Right. And I think that that's where everyone feels like, okay, we can do this. As long as it remains buried within you have to watch.

five hours who gives a shit yeah but if it's consumable in a twitter clip now we're in a fight yeah and as long as there isn't something that is um like virally right and i don't think that any like little moments from owen were so inflammatory or whatever the people were posting it and like Alex must respond right right right and the fact that it was kind of tame on that level i think false sense of security for these guys right it seems like that's what they're dealing with yeah yeah but as much as um harrison thinks that owen did it a little classy he also doesn't get it he thinks that this is not a great idea okay it's weird having thousands of people comment on what happens so you know with your friends uh but it's especially weird

when like you're the only guy on the internet that's kind of bummed something is happening It feels a little bit weird To have like everybody online be like Great job, congratulations Owen Like you're gonna kick ass And it's like I'm sure he is And I'm happy for him too At the same time

You know where we are the team That he's leaving here So it's a little bittersweet What is it? So it feels a little bit weird Being like, that's great man That's good That'll be great

Where everybody else is just like Yeah great job Owen Kick button, it's like, that's great, it's good. That'll be good. Frankly, I don't understand it. I don't think it's that great of an idea, and I don't really, I don't know, have the same issues that apparently he does or did. For all of his faults, Harrison seems to understand where his bread is buttered.

He knows he doesn't mean shit to anyone and that he's completely unemployable outside of Info Wars. He doesn't get what Owen's doing because he gets that Owen was a big, fish in a fake pond. And it's probably true that Harrison wasn't getting the same kind of treatment from Alex as Owen was, but that was most likely because Harrison was on the fucking bottom. And as much as Owen didn't matter, he mattered less. An abusive parent will sometimes direct their abuse towards one child in a way that their siblings are somewhat oblivious to.

I suspect that Alex treated Owen quite differently than he treated the rest of the folks at Infowars, and with him gone, Harrison might see some of that attention directed his way in a in a manner that it hasn't previously he's it's probably the like it'll be fine because rex is coming around a lot more and he would be a perfect candidate for alex to replace owen with in terms of the guy he can push around right it's his own son yeah yeah i mean he was born for the job basically so maybe uh Alex can continue to not really care about what harrison's doing yeah man i mean Harrison's so right like that's unlistenable like even him trying to say a regular sentence is like, I'm going to have to change the channel on this shit.

And it's a regular sentence that's actually fundamentally kind of interesting. Exactly. Because he's saying, I don't think this is a good idea. Can't even do it. No. Nope. Can't deliver it in a way that is interesting. It's fine.

It's wild that he has a job. But it's even wilder that he's self-aware enough to know that this is the only place that exists. Yeah. And I think that self-awareness keeps showing up. I don't personally understand the drive to. individualize because I think we're going to start seeing a lot more of this

I think you're going to start seeing some big personalities from other media outlets going independent very soon and I personally don't understand that I don't get it I think what you know what is the at what point is the market saturated with dudes in their

spare bedroom talking to a webcam I mean honestly good call How many of them do we need? And I'm just being honest, that's, if I've ever thought about, like, whoa, what would I do if InfoWor shut down? It's like, oh, God, I'd just be another dude. I'd just be another dude in my spare bedroom talking to my camera with my hot takes. Like, I don't even want, though.

Who would even want to do that? The cool thing about Info Wars is that we have a studio and a crew and incredible guests and people come in from all over the world. and I can call in and I don't know it's a bigger thing. It's something powerful and long-lasting storied and legendary at this point. Harrison gets it.

He's nothing without Info Wars and he's dangerously close to explaining why. There's no quality difference in terms of the information between Harrison alone in a bedroom talking to a camera and Harrison in the studio at Info Wars. There's only a presentational difference

and a huge money difference. InfoWars is a vehicle that allows dipshits to play dress-up and pretend that there's something more than guys talking into cameras in their spare bedroom. The studio, the lights, the staff, they're all there to trick viewers into thinking there's a reason to take Harrison Smith any more seriously than you would a random guy in his bedroom. The visual cues denote investment, like someone is spending a lot of money to present this guy as a host, and our brains are trained to think that if someone is spending money on something, there must be value to it. The value to Harrison being on air is just that Harrison is on air. His audience is minuscule, and I'm not sure he's the top pill salesman at Info Wars, but the fact that there is a show before Alex's makes the whole thing feel legit, like you were saying.

Yeah. Alex has built the studio to give the appearance of credibility to these dumbdums, and they kill time on air so Alex can create the appearance that he's running a large network of shows. He lets them feel like professional broadcasters, and their existence allows Alex to feel. like a mogul. It's a cycle of enablement that they're involved in. There's a symbiotic relationship

between the two, and I think Harrison kind of gets that. Yeah, I mean... Why individuate? Why seek individuality and outside of this thing? Get behind the leader. Right. I don't... Here's what I don't appreciate about

this. While it does appear that there is some sort of weirdly sustainable bubble of illusion that these men have been able to create, we have not been able to contain said bubble and that it touches our world makes me very angry because they get to live in a world

where it doesn't. They get to live in an imaginary world and I don't appreciate that at all. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, but I think that their lived experience isn't like that bubble-ish because I think that- Their existence is bubbling.

But I mean, like, in the same way, it's not the same. What I'm trying to say is like, they're miserable. Sure, no, I understand. In that bubble, just realities of life make them miserable. Right, absolutely.

Like, someone with a weird haircut walking down the street pisses them the fuck off. So, like, that's what I'm saying. It's not really a bubble. They're, they're, but they're, that's part of the bubble.

The problem with the bubble is that it's not perfect. That's why Alex has going to the, going freaking out at seeing Muslim women in a pool supply store, because the perfect bubble doesn't have those women. You know what I'm saying? I think, yeah, I think I get what you're saying. But I also think that bubbles are like supposed to be peaceful.

You know, they're supposed to be like, I'm secure and safe in this bubble. Sure, sure, sure. And their bubbles are angered. Right. And that's the problem. Sure. It's a bad bubble. It's a shitty bubble.

It's a shitty bubble. You ever see Bubble Boy? I have seen Bubble Boy. Wait, which one? The Jake Gyllenhaal one? Is there a... No, the Seinfeld episode. Oh, no, I haven't seen that one.

Okay. Moops. it's a reference all right so uh harrison is thrilled yeah that no one is taking sides right on this thing i bet it's chill man it's great it's very it's very strange for me to be in a situation where like

you got hundreds of thousands of people all over the world that want to know about my co-worker quitting it's just it's strange if you think about it my ex-co worker that's right he's not my co-worker anymore it's very sad and you know what's funny about it is that everybody I saw online is like you know you're going to do great Owen congratulations you're going to go you know everybody

support this guy he's a great human being but also we love Info Wars like it's weird that it feels like there should be some beef it feels like there should be people should be taking sides but nobody's taking sides everybody loves Owen and everybody loves InfoWars which is great which is really awesome it is awesome So if you want to see people taking sides, I'd suggest checking out the Rumble comments section on Owen's video and the places where Alex's shows are posted online. It's horribly divided territory. Most of the comments are fuck Owen, I love Alex, or fuck Alex, I love Owen. And an unsurprising amount of them mentioned the Jews or make references to noticing.

Fair enough. Harrison's delusional if he thinks that there's no beef in this split. And he's not going to be able to pass off this bullshit for much longer. about an hour later on his show reality crashes in right that makes sense it's such a mess man you know you just want

listen I would prefer to wait until like one in the afternoon to deal with that you know we're still in the morning it is I can't hang I can't hang it's coffee time right 9 a.m. get the fuck out I'm not handling this shit at 9 a.m.

But that's why it's so great that Alex tweeted that classy thing it's 630 absolutely it allows everyone to feel like let's just take in the it's coffee time it's just coffee time let's say let's take in a little bit of coffee right which happens to be the sponsor of my new roast segment it's perfect yeah

yep wake up wake up wake up people hockey puck so everything is chill and Harrison reads Alex's tweet about this okay and it seems like things are going to be all good all good as for me I'm taking the high road and we'll continue to promote Owen when I see cool stuff he does at Godspeed down I don't see that's a great response

that was that was the six this morning and look I agree and I'm I'm up front about all the time I mean Alex does not tell us what to cover like I don't tell Owen what's cover I personally think it's hilarious

when Alex like to me when Alex tells me what to go he doesn't come in I'm like maybe I'm not doing that great I mean it's a compliment whenever he comes in because it means he's excited about whatever you're talking about I guess we see that differently

I don't know but it's that type of stuff that you know Owen didn't he never he said very clearly he's like I was in creative control

of my show you know I just didn't like when Alex was like criticized me I kind of think it's funny again I'm a friend about this if you watch American Journal

like I talk about this all the time and again I don't know what I don't know what other company or you know industry is like this where like we'll talk we talk to each other through the shows in a in a weird way like all tune in to Alex and I hear him going you know the other guests are really down on

Israel and I'm like all right I get your point out and then I come on the show and I say look Alex is saying that we talk about Israel too much here's why I think I'm talking about it here's here's why I'm talking about so much today and you know I justify it or whatever but we do it like almost through the show or through the audience it's it's all so upfront it's almost Like, comical. What Harrison is talking about is unprofessionalism. Barging into people's shows when they're supposed to be hosting is pretty funny, but it's also not appropriate.

It shows a lack of impulse control that used to be a really worrying behavior to see in someone. It's also super unprofessional for these guys to be sniping at each other on air. They're adults, and they shouldn't be projecting this conflict onto the audience. Things that make the audience worry that the interpersonal fighting between Alex and Owen or Alex and Harrison. If they're worrying about it, that's inappropriate. The correct thing here would be to talk off air and figure out a way to cover Israel in a way that both parties can agree to. If they aren't able to find that agreement, then Harrison

needs to quit because whether he wants to admit it or not, Alex is imposing censorship on him. And even if Harrison is choosing not to deal with it or just to ignore it for the time being, that doesn't mean that it's not there. The passive aggression that they engage in, where Alex complains about his co-workers being too negative about Israel on air, and then they whine about how their boss is wrong on their shows, it creates a dramatic environment that's counterproductive to delivering real information. But this is pretty good for InfoWars as a whole, because it creates manageable levels of conflict, and that's good for audience retention.

Yeah. If Alex is being too soft on Israel, then instead of leaving the revenue stream entirely, maybe you find yourself watching Harrison's show, and you feel like he's saying what you're thinking that Alex is soft on Israel. Instead of immediately losing a listener to another broadcaster like Nick Fuentes, you've created a little delay where they might stick around a little bit longer, buy a few more pills, and that's good. The issue is that that conflict is only useful as long as it's pretty small.

And Harrison knows that he exists in a position where he can engage in these petty uprisings against Alex, but if he wanders too far, it's Alex's way or the highway. There's no ifs ands or buts. about that. Yeah. Alex complaining about Harrison on his show is Alex's passive-aggressive way of enacting censorship because he's a bit too much of a coward to do it more directly. It's the same as what Owen talked about,

where Alex would make fun of him about being too negative about Trump. These are dynamics of an abusive, dysfunctional working environment that Alex creates to keep these folks in line. At this point, Harrison doesn't care. And maybe that passive aggression doesn't bother him. But if he ever decided to stand up for himself in a meaningful way, it would go badly for him and he would find himself self-censoring or unemployed and it's ridiculous to imagine otherwise yeah i'm a big fan of when people go like ah it doesn't work like this at other

places and it's like yeah yep there is a reason yeah there is absolutely a reason there is a lot of reasons you're experiencing those reasons as we speak right now no other places don't work like this they continue to exist yeah a tenure employee who is the second in command, basically, leaves in a really dramatic fashion and releases a five-hour stream about why they left. Right. This is a byproduct of your bad work environment.

Right. That's what's going on here. Like Wells Fargo, it's a $1.5 billion judgment against them because, one, they probably won't ever have to pay it. And two, they're a $10 trillion company, not just an asshole. And that's kind of where we're at. Yeah, and I think that Harrison tries to rationalize a lot of this with like, hey, you know, like, whatever we're dealing with, it's not as bad as at the blaze or something like that.

Yeah. And it's like, stop comparing yourself to these shitty, like, scam operations. Right. Start shooting for professionalism. Isn't that the idea? Yeah, compare yourself to an actual business, an actual media entity as opposed to fraud. I will compare myself to anything that says the status quo is the best. So Harrison does not understand Owen's complaints about the ads sure and stuff

Why would you? Yeah, and so he's just like what we do is normal and then just when I'm when I'm reading the plug sheet you know one of the things like Owen was complaining about that I was like I just want to do you know normal where just you have sponsors and you read the sponsors plug and it's like if that is all we do we just have one sponsor it's the Alex Jones store.com but we just you get a plug sheet and you read the plug

and you say if you want to support us go to the auctionown store.com slash Harrison and purchase a product. I mean it's very sort of traditional how we how we fund this. It's a unique twist to it but it's we just do live reads in the same way radio has forever.

It's like would you rather be selling you know sports betting websites and VPNs? I mean you want to read their copy verbatim? that really sounds fun? I don't know. I just don't get it, man. To me, the instant I think

about, you know, going independent, I'm like, I got to talk to companies, I got to get ad reads, I'm going to have to deal. They're not going to pay me on time. I'm going to have to track them down. It's going to be, that just sounds miserable. I mean, that is the benefit of I don't know. I don't know. That's like the greatest thing about working in VORZ. I don't have to deal with all that crap. Why you would volunteer to deal with all that crap. on him. I just don't get it. Nailed it. I just don't get it. If Harrison is worried about that, let me be the first to assure him that if he went independent,

he wouldn't definitely not have to worry about advertisers paying him. That's fair. He wouldn't have to worry about chasing checks and them coming in late because there wouldn't be any. I get what he's saying, though, and I'm glad that we're able to be independent and not worry about any of that stuff. I have maybe never talked to an advertiser outside of like a rejection email of stop emailing me. Yeah, yep. I'm not interested. That's it.

It's almost as if Harrison isn't even able to imagine a life of real independence. Like, all he really wants is to have this company taking care of him and enabling him to pretend that he deserves the slot that he's in. Yes. Yes. I don't think, right, anybody can disagree with the idea that having a blanket of safety is good. Yeah, it's cozy. This is the cozy. This might as well be a fire during the winter. This is cozy shit, man.

Yeah, because it's cold outside, Harrison. Oh, Harrison, you are going to starve and freeze. He's insane if he thinks that InfoWars advertising model is normal. It's convenient that he's not addressing Owen's actual complaint, which is that InfoWars relies on the permanent going out of business sale and the buy this or you're going to die strategies to scare people into buying products, and that's an inherently dishonest model. Yeah.

I don't watch enough of Harrison's show to know for sure, but it's possible that he just reads the ads like a normal radio broadcaster. It's possible. Yeah. And that would explain why his sales and viewer numbers are where they are. And that Alex doesn't give a fuck what he does. That would explain at all. Because he's not aspiring to be the best.

He's just here and he's going to pick up his paycheck on time and go home. Yeah. That's great. He's languishing in a stew of mediocrity and lies. It's a cynicure. Yeah. It's perfect. Perfect. So Harrison, he has Rex on.

Right. Rex Jones, son of Alex. Right. First of his name. I don't know. Okay. So he has him on and he's like, hey, man, what do you think about Owen's little thing? Okay. Let's just start with the drama everybody's interested in.

What's your take on Owen leaving? Well, you know, we all go through stages of life. And I think he really wants to be a radio broadcaster. I think, like, you look at his golden microphone. He's always been a huge Rush Limbaugh fan. I think that's his future, and I supported it. I donated it to his give-s-and-go. And I encourage other people who do the same.

So I think that's a nice response. Very classy. Very mature. Very a morning response. At some point during Harrison's show, Alex watched some of Owen's stream. Uh-oh. And he was very unhappy about it. He posted that classy tweet at 6 in the morning, and, you know, you're seeing the after

effect of that. Rex thinks we're just going to play nice. They're talking to each other through their shows. Yeah. The dam is about to break. Harrison and Rex are hosting talking about their viewpoints on global conflicts. And mid-sentence, Alex comes barging into the studio and here's what happens. You know, I'm still positive and hopeful that we can get an end to the Ukraine war. Gaza, I'm pretty black-pilled on. They're going to do neutral tears there. I think that's pretty clear.

But with the Russians, they're still trying to work with us. And we look at these weak sisters, these European allies that talk tough and want to go after them and punish them and attack them forever and ever and ever. It's not going to end too well. I'm here to censor. Oh, no. He's here. We've crossed the line. You should launch a new independent show and claim that I censored you for years and get to me.

million viewers and betray me and you're you're allowed to lie about me any way you want you know i love you look let's reject the glas let's reject the grabler this is this is this is a i'm using this as a case point you understand that how much have i come in and censored you over the years yeah not enough frankly i say some yeah we miss you have i ever censored you never once literally never one hey but hey if you want to quit have a publicity stunt and lie about me i forgive you okay well that's i know i'm saying i expected hey david night did it Owens done it and I said I was taking the high road till I started watching it's like can we sing a song when I go on the air I'm letting you have it Troyer you stab your brother in this

operation in the back and you're a fucking lie can we sing a song we're gonna we're gonna take a little break here we're gonna sing a song oh my god angry I've had enough of these people they're a bunch A Christian murder and scum, running giant death factors keeping babies alive. A couple quick points here. Harrison and Rex sing most of that Boni-Veer parody song. And they harmonized decently. The two of them actually... That's what they're singing.

Okay. It was one of the few times I've actually listened to something musical on Infor's and being like, their voices are actually hitting... They're not, no, no, no, they're on pitch. And they know all the words. That's weird. More than I do. That's creepy. So the second point.

When Alex tells Harrison he can quit and lie about him for a publicity stunt, Rex makes a finger gun and pretends to shoot himself in the head. That's fun. He realized in an instant while on live TV that everything is fucked. That morning it looked like they were going to be able to get through this without too much ugly fighting. But now, by storming on air and calling Owen out, that's not happening. I, listen. He knows his dad.

I'm starting to think that maybe Alex isn't going to take this well. No. He started watching it and he realized, motherfucker. There is nothing I love more than, and I'm going to take the high road that turns in a... You know what? Fuck you. The high road's for losers. I'm taking the motherfucking low road, dick wad.

Yeah. The high road was my pretend response before I knew what you said. Now that I heard what you said, I'm not taking the fucking high road. I was never going to take the high road. I was going to take no road because you were going to leave me alone. The high road was never in question. Yeah. Yeah. But then I came into work and I saw what you said and man, I'm burning your road to

the ground. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So they sing that Boni Vair song. Sure. And then everybody's happy forever. By the time they are finished singing Alex Barge's back in. Great. I have them on video. They literally are still saying. Creepy weird sick stuff, man. People don't believe me that we sing this song. Everybody in the office knows this song by heart. You know it by heart. And it's a truly beautiful thing. I don't realize how it's, that the Alex Lowe's ever. It's tough, you know, look, I mean, it's kind of a Batman and Robin situation. I really think that they're both going to go on to do great things, but it's difficult.

I mean, I didn't realize how to say you were. It's totally normal to go and do innuendo that you've been censored and controlled and got to go because you're talking about Trump and this stuff. And then later, hours ago, oh, no, he didn't censor me. All set up to boost himself off of lying about me. I don't ever get involved in infighting but I've known somebody 10 years and they've been my friend

but he's gotten really dark didn't talk to the crew the last two years and so it's like it's like a different person I'm not here to be the villain for somebody's lie

so wait until you hear his phone called me yesterday he literally talked to me like it was a crack whore and he was a pimp he's like yeah well if you're desperate paying me more

I'll stay but I'm gonna promote my new show on Info Wars huh let's start the high road nice I might do a week I was like man this is really hurt my feelings, dude.

No, it's all right. You don't have to come in. I hung up, sorry, fucking crying. And then he goes on fucking air and lies about me. Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit. I won't fucking take

people stabbing me in the back anymore. Fuck you. Get ready. So, because that'll be clipped, you can follow me at Rex Jones News on Twitter. All right.

News with the Z. Nice. Very important. You follow me on Twitter. Thank you. Emotions running hot. Rex gets it. Wow.

My Twitter thread went viral. You can follow me at Blank, Like, yep. Smooth. All right. Yeah. I mean, that's a great way to try.

That's like when someone flips off a camera to make sure that they're not included in a piece or something. Yep. It's like a bombing. That's how you do it. Photo bombing. Yep. I have no idea what the truth is about that phone call. But no matter what, everyone here in this sounds stupid.

Alex has a history of recording people's calls. With the last CRO, like he had in his bankruptcy case, he played their call on air without permission. Yeah. If you're Owen and you're having a possibly contentious call with Alex and you don't record it yourself, you're asking for trouble. Huge mistake. Alex will lie about it and he might be recording it himself so he can release portions of it later to make you look bad. Yep. Him saying wait till you hear the call or whatever.

It's like, oh, you had to see that coming. Yeah, I already, like one, I already knew what he was going to say about the call. I already know what the lie was going to be. That's easy. The only question is, how much can he back it up? Because if he plays the whole call, obviously, everybody's going to go, well, none of what you said happened, happened. Well, at this point, you know, he's leaving it open of like, am I going to show these cards? I mean, is he going to play the call?

I don't know. He barged back out of the studio. Oh, my God. One of my favorite things is just the door closing. You know, you can hear the door slamming. This is like, this is like a weird farce. This is like a play. This is, and he's busting in and out?

This is a classic farce. Yes. There's a series of doors that he's appearing in and out of. Yep. Fucking hell. So my sense of this whole thing is largely unchanged. Owen wanted more money or failing that. He wanted to do one more week to promote his channel to a larger audience.

Alex said no to both, and that's that. Owen did his stream and Alex didn't watch it, but thought that Owen was being classy, so he decided to release a classy tweet. Now Alex has watched some of the stream and realized that Owen fucked him, so he's losing his shit and his son has to beg him to take the high road. I love it. After pantomiming, murdering himself on air. I mean, of all the, this is a contender for maybe the single most unprofessional place I've ever seen.

Oh, crazy. Right? And wait until we get through the rest of this. So not just, not just bursting in and out. That's fine for him. That's part of it. Not, you know, he owns the show, no big deal. He's not bothered.

But then his son is also there, which, like, why is your son there? Your son shouldn't be there. That's nepotistic. And then on top of that, it's acting like the adult. I mean, it's amazing. Yeah. It is the least professional thing ever. It's horrible.

Yeah, I love it. It's fantastic. More, more, more into my veins. So Harrison and Rex, try and deal with what just happened to them. Doing great. I said earlier and I'll say again, I'm glad Owen didn't go, you know, say, well, you know, I wanted to say this, because he could have gone way overboard and made a big thing out of it. I don't think he did that.

But he did insinuate that, like, he was four. forced to cover things you didn't want to cover have guests on they didn't want to have on it's like that's just not maybe it was different with owen but that's never happened with me nobody ever tells me what to cover and or you know comes in and says you know you're not talking about this enough or that your tone isn't right on this it literally never happens so so i'm just a guest i'm just a guest on my favorite yeah right i'm just here since the beginning i'm like i'm like the little kid with a lollipop in the propeller hat and the parents are fighting yeah i mean i feel that way a little bit too, to be honest with you.

Yeah. This is not appropriate. These assholes are supposed to be fighting the literal devil. So I feel like the audience shouldn't be getting emotionally caught up in drama between one of the hosts and his boss to the point where another host and the boss's son are on air describing it as mom and dad fighting. Yeah. I think that these guys just don't understand how unprofessional the environment they're in is

because they've never been in professional settings. Right. Like they've never been somewhere. where that would give them a context and a baseline for like, this is the kind of stuff that is like major lawsuits. No, they're not reporters. No. They don't understand the concept of journalism.

Like we've seen them try and describe what it is so many times and they've never been able to get it right. Because it's not like they've ever worked in a newsroom. The way that they operate is very much like that Never Neverland. They are just like in this weird place where they don't have to grow up or work hard. or be professional. It's all just make-believe. It's a bubble.

And they don't realize that Alex is Tinkerbell. I mean... He's sprinkling the fairy dust that lets them do their stuff. That's because... But I mean, Alex doesn't realize that he's... He's... I mean, they just... They just deserve each other.

We just don't deserve them. The world doesn't. You and I do. It's fine for us to put up with his shit. I've committed my crimes. I got it. Yeah. deserve this you're right we can handle uh their nonsense but like yeah the world doesn't shouldn't

have to deal with the repercussions of of this like abuse their listeners and their viewers shouldn't have to deal with it that's what we yeah that's very unfortunate yeah but amen they got a blue liquid out of it they got blue liquid out of it so um Harrison breaks down what he thinks uh is going on and and they just kind of come to a conclusion that like Owen wanted to be number one and that's fine sure it just can't happen here no I think he wants to be the number one and there's nothing wrong with that to be honest with you yeah no I think I think it's it's mostly born out of ambition that's what that's what I said about sort of the difference between Owen and I is he always wanted to be a talk show host he wants he wants to be

Rush Limbaugh and Info Wars was his vessel for doing that I come from it at a different angle because I it was never mind info wars yeah so yeah so you know I'll do whatever position I need to be in because Zimphal Wars, to me, this is a literally legendary thing. I mean, because what happens is, you know, when you look back in history, everything gets kind of consolidated where, like, you know, you look at ancient Roman history and they'll say, like, all these a million things, we're all invented by this one guy. They just sort of, you know, all the other people involved,

kind of filter down you eventually lead with. So to me, like in history and people look back at the transformative media landscape that we're in right now, Alex Jones is the dude that's going to be in the history books. Alex Jones and Info Wars is the force that ushered in, everything that you're seeing come behind us. Yeah, you created alternative media. You created alternative media. Rogan created alternative podcasting.

Alex created alternative broadcasting. And Alex, of course, was the one that woke up Joe Rogan in the first place. So Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, they're all downstream of Alex Jones. So that, you know, that's where I want to put my effort in. So there's two wild things about that clip. And I actually wonder how much these guys recognize what they're saying. The first thing is that Harrison's putting forth this fascist strongman interpretation of history. History only remembers the strong individuals who get to have movements attributed to them,

and Harrison views Alex as that strong man. So his number one goal is clinging to that dude's coattails. Yep. This interpretation of history is dumb because it hero worships people who were just people. But the side implication of believing in it is that almost all of us aren't those strong men. Most of us will be forgotten by history, and Harrison's way of dealing with those feelings of insignificance is to make himself into the strong man's minion and that's sad he's basically recognizing that he doesn't have the goods i mean

you know i think that's what all these guys do they just they're just monkeys and they think elon musk is the biggest monkey who can find them the most food i'm on some level that's that is probably part of it's it's weird it's i don't understand wanting to be a henchman and i think part of them does doesn't either you know they're like ah i get it owen wants to be the number one fucking i'm not being the joker i'll i'll dress like a clown but that motherfucker's crazy you know i just work here man yeah which is like yeah that's fair i'm a henchman i might not be on the assignment where they get him they kill the joker yeah i might i might survive this thing he's not i'll just go hench for another guy it's no big deal it's just a career opportunity yeah and that touches

on the second thing that they're talking about that i think is really crazy and that is like they recognize that owen wanted to be number one and that makes sense but they don't feel that way. Exactly. Owen had ambition, whereas they don't. Owen wanted to be excellent himself, whereas they just want to be cogs in the machines supporting the strong man that they view as being historically relevant.

Incorrect as he might be, Owen aspires to be the strong man himself, while Rex and Harrison are content being followers because they know deep down they aren't excellent. And what Rex wants isn't even the same thing. He just wants to make his dad proud. Rex is having a grand time. Yeah.

Yeah, like Harrison, so Owen wants to be number one and wants to be Rush Limbaugh. Harrison wants to be involved in Info Wars because the ceiling on his potential is being a minion for a strong man. Yeah. Rex wants to deal with his daddy issues. Like these three are all coming from different places and it's all a mess. I think Rex probably sees himself in like a new documentary in like five years where he's given. interviews about how how weird it is to have a dad like that yeah i don't know i don't think so i think he sees himself as uh i some some champion returning or something oh boy i kind of admire their

perspective a little bit in that in that like harrison clearly knows his place without the cameras and the fancy desk he'd just be another racist dipshit talking into a webcam and info wars allows him to not have to deal with how much of a bummer that is he's more interested in clinging to that validation than he is in personal or professional advancement. So I would say he's exactly where he should be. Like, I don't know. I think he sucks, but like it seems to me like this is the best place you could possibly be. Yeah.

Alex is not going to bother you if you're not bothered by him. Right. And if you think he's a hero that history is going to remember, great. Yeah. No, I mean, you had it, you had it perfectly. Like there's no difference in the content. the only difference is I am not in a basement like I've just been moved to a different place I don't have to look into the mirror accurately that illusion is enough for me and I would rather choose that illusion where there's no difference in substance but all image than ever consider the substance of what it is I'm saying or doing which and I never want to try to be better because if I do I will fail and when I fail I'll have to deal with the fact that I'm not good enough to be better In every way, my life will be worse if I acknowledge it as it is.

Yep. So, congratulations. I mean, it's the smart move. Yeah. It's the smart move. Yeah. So they end their show, and that means it's time for Alex to take over. Oh, God.

Alex has got to get on his show. He is threatened. He has said, it's going down. Yep. Get ready for it, Troyer. Oh, bye. You're getting it. So here's where we begin.

Okay. All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is going to be an absolute must watch. listen, share. Transmission, it is Tuesday, September 2nd, 2025. I'm here in Battled. Host Alex Jones, your chronicler. Thank you so much for joining us on all the radio stations, TV stations.

So Alex has been trying to brand himself as the chronicler ever since he remembered that opening scene from Conan. Yep. The idea is supposed to be that he's a storyteller, watching the events of the world unfold and retelling them to you, cutting through the lies and spin. He's trying to give himself a detached vibe

like he's outside the stories that he tells. The reason he's doing that is because the stories he's been telling the audience for the past decade are falling apart. He created a fake version of Trump, The Conqueror, to sell his audience, and the audience isn't buying it anymore. He created a version of himself that relied on him being the crusading hero of a new satanic panic, whipping up hysteria about child abuse. But now he's shown the audience that he'll stay with Trump even if he's actively involved in covering up Epstein stuff and calling people who care about it's stupid. Right. The fake version of himself and the leaders he's convinced the audience to support are falling apart, and there's no way to put them back together again. The only thing Alex can really do now is pretend to be above it all, and you can't be above something if you're a part of it. You have to be detached.

Thus, the chronicler persona arises as a weak attempt to place himself in a position where he's not held responsible for any of the frauds he's perpetrated on the audience for the past 10 years. Don't blame Alex. He's just the storyteller. He's just an observer. It's almost at an impressive level of cowardice from the guy who, like, he pretends that God chose him as a child to fight the devil. Just this, this whole like, oh, no, don't, don't look at me. You know what I've always, here's what I've always loved about, historians, chroniclers, uh, writers, journalists, what I've always loved about them, tip of the spear,

tip of the spear, they're the ones in the action, not the people writing about it and talking about it later when the action's already concluded. you know they're in it that's what's great about it the chronicler is also the person who revolutionized media and uh changed the world and yep got uh the first american dictator elected yeah as opposed to being just somebody who chronicles things yeah it would be ridiculous if the chronicler was just some sort of thing that was named itself i think of what i'm doing as slightly chronically is sure in the sense that i'm taking alex's stuff and we're discussing it and then chronicleing it Yeah, you're chronicle-esque.

But I wouldn't say that that's what I am. Because I did get involved with the Sandy Hook trial. Sure. And, like, I did poke the bubble. Yeah. Or whatever. I'm not just a chronicler. There is a part of this that I'm engaged with.

Right. So, like, I don't know. I'm the clowniker. Yeah, that's fun. But Alex is delusional. Yeah, Alex is delusional. Like, he's just like, oh, I'm on the outside. I'm on the outside.

So anyway, the wheat. say goodbye to the chaff all right y'all are getting split up okay all right ladies and gentlemen everything is coming to a head around the world the quickening is here a cascade of crescendos and finallies that only trigger larger explosions of awakening and incredibly powerful counter explosions of evil the goats are being separated from the sheep the wheat from the chaff the gold From the pewter. Okay.

That is the great time that we live in, my friends. All right. This is a total information overload transmission. I must cover it all. Let me tell you what's coming up. First off, betrayal is one of the most despicable things there is. Okay. I've got so much news.

news to cover today and starting it off, betrayal sucks. News break. I can't get enough of the idea of somebody else at any news station just being like, all right, we have got a great show today. Our top story, betrayal! That guy who used to work for me sucks now! Anderson Cooper opens up his show, shitting on Don Lemon. Oh, this is, there's so much news going on.

First and only, I'm going to personally bash this dickwad. Lemon is a snake. Absolutely. God, yes. Yeah, it's a little, it's a little, it's fun. It's, it's, so you also heard the coming back from break music at the beginning there. Yeah. And that's because Alex waited until after the first five minutes to get into Owen's stuff.

Right, right, right, right. He killed time during that part that isn't on, like, radio stations or whatever. Nobody cares. Yeah. He knows what the people want. I don't want you to miss my great, I hate Owen takes. Or he doesn't want to repeat. himself five minutes into the show for the benefit of people who aren't watching online.

God. See, this is what's what needs to happen and what's probably not going to happen because it's not how real life works, right? But the thing that would happen is he would try and cover the straight news, but no matter what he did, things would pop out, right? But I think he's just going to go straight for it and do nothing else, right? What if he does both? Okay, I'm listening. He, betrayal? Yeah. Betrayal is bad. But you know it's worse?

Nuclear war. Premeditated betrayal. First off, betrayal is one of the most despicable things there is. And particularly betrayal that is carefully crafted and that is premeditated to know that someone who acts like they're your friend is plotting. and scheming and manipulating and to just disregard it because you're a loyal person

and then to see that individual betray not just you but the crew and the idea of what we are and how embattled we are and to try to cast us as the villains and he as the hero and the victim I will not put up with it. So Alex gave away two games in that clip

all while he thought he was a, sounded poetic and really composed. Yeah. The first is that he's complaining that Owen wanted to make himself the victim. There was a little bit of that, but I honestly felt like Owen was a bit restrained on that front. He could have gone way harder if he wanted to be the victim. Should have gone.

He went to jail because of Alex. He could have just yelled that over and over and over if he wanted. Conversely, as soon as Alex decided to attack Owen, he barged into the American Journal set while they were live on air and started rambling about Owen's phone. call with him the day before, which Alex described as being like between a crack whore and a pimp. Owen was extorting Alex for more money and being an asshole and it almost made Alex cry.

Like, he's the one who's making himself a victim. I mean, that, first off, all right, if you, here's what Owen is thinking. Like, I gave him 10 years, you'd think he would be happy that I'm ready to set off on my own and all that stuff. Because he's never, I guess, heard of people who have in a situation before because this is how it always goes. Yes.

The person that you're working for is incapable of viewing you as anything other than something that must be destroyed now because you will try and take something from him and he's the only person who has anything that should be, you know, he's the only person that matters. But you, but like honestly

because of that 6 a.m. tweet, I honestly think that Owen was close. Do you think so? Yeah. I think he was close to managing whatever they were going. through into being a like amicable divorce sure but he said things on that stream that i don't think he realized were as offensive and inflammatory as they were i think i agree with you i will say this though i would also say that if there wasn't anything really inflammatory or even inflammatory at all

i still think if alex watched it he would find something to hate yeah you know what i mean like the only way you get away is if he never watches it Yeah, if somehow he gets distracted today or, like, at 7, after he had tweeted this classy thing, if, like, I don't know, Trump bombed somebody or whatever, then maybe his attention's diverted somewhere else and you manage to, like, I'll never get around to watching that five hours. Yeah, but I think even, I think just being forced to watch five hours would make Alex angry enough to destroy him. That's probably true. So Alex is describing his own impulses here. He likes to paint himself as the hero and victim in every situation because he knows that if he inhabits those roles, he can dodge so much deserved criticism. The Sandy Hook cases are a perfect example of this tendency that he has, where he's the valiant hero standing up for free speech and against judicial tyranny, and he's also the victim in the whole thing.

How many times has he whined about how no one remembers Adam Lanzah's name and how everyone thinks he did the shooting? The valiant hero role allows him to insist that the audience needs to keep buying his shit to enable the inevitable victory. And the victim status allows him to deflect criticism about how he's in the situation he's in because of his actions. He knows how powerful this hero victim combination is, which is why he's attacking Owen like this. It's ironically the best way for Alex to claim the status of hero and victim in this exchange by pretending that that's what Owen's doing. The second thing that Alex reveals in that clip is right. I'm going to play a little snippet again. To see that individual betray, not just you, but the crew, and the idea of what we are

and how embattled we are. Alex is particularly upset that Owen betrayed the business and the idea of how embattled they are. Owen broke K-Fabe, and he exposed the business. Owen shouldn't be critical of permanent going out of business sales if Alex was always sincere about being this close to going out of business. Owen shouldn't think the, buy this pill or you're going to die type of business. marketing is manipulative unless he knows that the stuff Alex sells is all bullshit. Owen shouldn't want to create a new show that's not just all ads all day if he really

believed that the way that Alex was operating was above board. And like I said on our last episode, the fact that Owen said that shit multiple times on his stream was a direct insult to Alex. You can say he's a dumb alcoholic and he'll roll with that punch. But if you're his number two guy who just quit abruptly, you can't call out the sales tactics Alex uses without risking the audience starting to see through them. That's unacceptable. And I honestly suspect that this is a large piece of why Alex is mad.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, can't fuck with the business. Yeah, you're going to cut into the bottom line. The business is a bit. Like, what are you going to? Oh, he's ugly. Yeah, of course I am.

I don't get him a shit. But you're going to take a dollar away from me? I'll fucking kill you. Yeah. I think that he, when he says he betrayed the idea of how embattled we are, it's like, okay, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said we were doing okay. How could he?

How could he? Our entire business relies on us barely scraping by every single second of the day. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. So Owen also wanted to create the picture that he was censored because censorship is really attractive to these people. It is the holy grail out there to be censored. Because when you really are censored, people want to Streisand effect find out what's been censored. And I've been really censored.

I've been really attacked. And so is Info Wars. But I've never accused people of censoring or oppressing me who didn't do it. And we had another talk show host about six years ago post on Twitter that we were censoring him. He didn't say what? I came into him and I said, what did we ever censor? What did we ever do? And he's not talking to you about it.

you know you're censoring me and I said how I said listen do it again you're fired and about a year later they were uploading his morning show and this happens you know every once a while and only the first hour went up and he flipped out and went online and said that he was being censored by us and I called him up and he started yelling at me don't you give me that you and I said the guys all the time we upload stuff everywhere they'll upload it what were you talking about he was bashing Trump and I said that's it you're fired man not because of what he was saying about topics because he was saying we were censoring

and that was David Knight so I've got a real problem with this and I took the high road on that because I wasn't very close to David Knight and he was kind of the grumpy old man and was just frustrated that his show wasn't as popular as mine and I promoted it

and just had a chip on his shoulder and I mean I did stuff like you gave him hundreds of thousands of dollars when he had a heart attack and hire both his sons and, you know, kiss his ass. And the more I was nice to him, the more he just got angry and hateful. And then he's gone out since then and disgraced himself and said that just, I flat out censored him on things.

Oh, really? Show the proof. Not true. I mean, this is ridiculous, okay? I have zero interest in Alex relitigating his relationship with David Knight. Yeah. I don't care. That clip is telling, though, because Alex is speaking some real truth when he says that being

censored is the holy grail for him. It's the most powerful marketing tool for non-listeners. The idea that someone isn't letting him say what he wants to say, that there's some kind of truth he's offering that the man doesn't want you to hear. That's the kind of all lure that draws in curious minds, and that's really all Alex needs. If 95% of those people end up watching the show and seeing that he's kind of boring and repetitive and it's mostly ads,

all he cares about is that 5% of them who tuned in didn't immediately see that he was a scammer and might watch again. Yep. There are potential customers that he wouldn't have reached any other way, and the best way to draw them in is with the promise of forbidden information that's being kept from you. It's why Alex put duct tape on his mouth outside his trial in Texas with the word censored on it. He was doing a marketing stunt, because without the appearance that he's revealing hidden information that the system doesn't want you to know,

it would be almost impossible to attract anyone to this dumb show. The thing I think is funny is that Alex is explaining that Owen said that Alex censored him because being censored is the holy grail. So obviously you want a fake being censored for attention. And then Alex immediately realized that he needed to make sure no one thinks that he does that all the time. Right. He had to get very defensive about that and then start complaining about David Knight. Yeah.

Who cares? I mean, just the idea that, I mean, no, they probably don't. They don't understand the concept. Like, they don't understand that CBS News and Paramount, like, settling the lawsuit and just doing that whole thing, that is censorship. It's not, I understand that you think it has to be like, you can't say this, but just the soft power of knowing what, who's who, knowing who's got the choice at the end of the day is censorious. Yeah, and there is a big spectrum of what is censored. Sure. Like, there are so many versions of passive.

censorship that people engage in that they may be aware of they might not be right and so many of alex's actions and the way he treats his staff are wildly uh sensory yeah and just because he doesn't say don't say that or whatever it doesn't it doesn't matter right um no and he's he's right the censorship that you want is the bullshit it's the censorship that makes you uncensored you know it's the it's the censorship he doesn't want it's why everyone's comedy special is called canceled or whatever for a couple years yeah you don't want the censorship of just regular ass being ignored that's worse than anything else yeah yeah so uh you know owen you know that guy i've heard of him although i really i don't remember him being involved

with info wars to be honest i think i what he just showed up one day is there for a cup of coffee yeah yeah yeah yeah he's also a fucking liar well ohen schroyer now done this and the way he did it is particularly deceptive like he thinks I'm stupid got a very aggressive phone call from him with him yesterday and then

he ran off and did his publicity stunt at my expense the cruise expense at this institution's expense and I mean just lie after lie for life I mean I've got and we're checking with lawyers right now but I've got

his tax you know filings I've got he's paid i've got everything here said he hadn't had a raise since 2018 since 2018 he's had multiple raises of 80,000 dollars on top of what he was paid before and huge bonuses have it all right here that just one example who these people think they are and this is reckless stuff Owens' claim and Alex's threat, all reckless as hell. Oh, boy. This is ugly. I do, I do like, I'm going to call lawyers and then immediately I'm willing to tell people about your salary.

Again, this is on TV. I'm going to give vague ideas about your salary. Not going to say too many specifics. Nope. Big pauses to make you think that I'm really telling the truth about it, too. Jiggling around this paper? Absolutely. You know it's true.

Oh, boy. So Alex wasn't going to watch the stream. And I believe that based on his 6 a.m. tweet. It's five hours. Yeah. It's too long. I think he was just going to let bygones be bygones. But then people kept asking about it.

Uh-oh. And he had to respond. Oh, no. I didn't do any of these things. And to watch the way, and I couldn't watch the whole five hours, I wasn't even going to watch it. People kept sending me clips and my phone was blowing up and all these text messages. And is this true? Is that true?

And I started watching it. And notice it's why I'm leaving info words. Not I quit. or I was fired leaving it nebulous, but just get him on the screen, I came to look at him. And he's like, oh, I understand why he didn't want me talking about about Trump. He'll have his access cut off. That's why I've got to go.

Oh, I understand the things I was doing were really causing the problem. No, they weren't. I never told him, you ought to do this or that. I said, hey, you should, you can attack Trump all you want, but, hey, we also need to stay on top of the Democrats here. I said that on air I never even said that to him in person I said on air

that's what talk show hosts do I started out and talk radio other shows on the same station the morning show talks about the afternoon show and they disagree and agree and they have debates that that's normal

we're not in a cult here I'm not censoring somebody because I say I'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water I have Nick Fuentes on who says he's totally dumb with Trump

and I say you're making good points I can see why you say it but I disagree on this this and that and Nick doesn't go oh my God you're censoring me because you disagree with me that's not what that is and I talked to Nick this morning

and he obviously thinks that before I even told him what went on that Owen handled it completely wrong Nick likes me so it's not normal for the afternoon show on a station to have a beef with the midday show in fact it's a feature of a very unhealthy work environment a major problem that Alex refuses to acknowledge

is that he's the only person with any power at InfoWars and he's also the main slash only talent he runs a terrible company that sucks to work at in his content is shit, so he only attracts potential employees that have nowhere else to go. Once they start working there, they quickly realize that their careers and media are over, and no one will hire them again, so Alex essentially has them trapped. They're low talent figures doing jobs that are out of their reach anywhere else, and if Owen

is any example to go by, then they're getting paid way more than they would in any other position that they're qualified for. Absolutely. The only way to survive in that environment is to fly under the radar, have deep loyalty to the king or find some blackmail on him that'll ensure that he leaves you alone. He may think that he's not censoring anyone because it isn't bleep stuff or because he doesn't write no talking bad about Trump on the wall. But in his position in the company, doing things like making fun of Owen, ostracizing him,

or having an on-air feud with him is meant to send a message. The power imbalance that exists in that office is absurd. And I'm certain that everyone there knows exactly what that means. I mean, it's, it's so clear just by the way that Owen did his five-hour live stream, how much power is still being exerted over the, over him is like, he's, he's still restrained. He's still being like, well, I don't have anything bad to say about Alex. Why? What are you doing?

He's never going to like you. This is going to happen, right? So fucking go. There's a like 98% chance that this is going to happen or worse. How could you not know that? Right. You're betting on this 2% chance of not rocky waters or choppy waters. And it's just, it's insane.

And you're, you've been there for so long. You would have to be delusional. I think Alex is fucking scary. I, right. I get that. But that's the only way to take the power imbalance back is to fucking go scorched earth. Yeah. And instead he tried to be an idiot.

But I bet working for him for 10 years would leave an impression of like the way he behaves. The psychological scars are what. keeps him somehow still in line even when he's free. Yeah. Yeah. It's bumbers. Yeah.

So one of the problems that Owen had was Alex trying to force guests on him. Yeah. And Alex talks about that here. It was as I started this morning, I didn't do my workout because I was busy. And I decided, okay, I'm going to go ahead and watch these clips. And I sat there. And what made me really mad was he was acting all sad and hurt and, oh, you know, this happened. And, well, and it was.

It was like innuendo for hours and hours. And at the end, oh, Alex never censored me. But he stood over my shoulder. Yeah, like what, once a month come in to give me something? Which when he was hired, knows part of the thing. That's what there's microphones in the control rooms. I want everybody to get on there. Hey, breaking news, I'll come in and hand them a, did you see this on Fox?

This just happened. Go tell Owen. Doesn't mean have him on. He was mad. He told the crew that I'll have a guest on and say, hey, you're here. You're a huge guest. Nick Pointos is an example. or whoever, Roger Stone, whoever it is,

hey, did they book you? Hey, call Owen see if he wants them on. Owen told the crew that that was me controlling a show, just helping a newsroom, hey, you want to go on another show? Let's see if they can have a slot for you. That's what he's got. So I've heard what Alex is describing happen a bunch of times, and it's not always with people who you would call big guests.

He'll be talking with someone, and they'll be a good fit for the rhythm, and he'll offer them a spot on Owen's show without asking Owen. Presumably during the next commercial break, Alex would run it by Owen, but now he's put Owen in a terrible position. He has to say yes to this booking, or he has to say no and make Alex rescind the invitation that he's just made to someone on air. It's unprofessional and disrespectful to Owen's ability to run his own show,

particularly because this would usually be at like an hour or two before Owen's show is supposed to start, and in theory he would have done. some prep for the show. So you're asking him to toss out whatever he's done in order to have this guest on. Right. That's rude. Yeah. Alex has to understand that this behavior is not him making a request of Owen. It's a demand. And because it involves guest booking, it has a heavy influence on the content of the show that Owen will end up doing. I can get how Alex would think that he's not forcing Owen to do anything, but a functional business wouldn't tolerate this kind of

management style. If this is something that Alex has done a bunch and Owen has made it clear that he doesn't like it and he would like Alex to stop, the fact that Alex doesn't stop sends a clear message that he doesn't care about Owen's preference and he doesn't respect his autonomy as a show creator and host. All of this could be solved but with the human resources department or some therapy. Sure. Like this is not that complicated.

It's just Alex running a bad workplace. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right. Do you remember how in the 70s they would have, like, on TV, on talk shows, they would have these psychiatrists or therapists or whomever, you know, amateur scientists with case studies?

And they would bring, like, a child on because they'd just written a book about how weird this kid was. And everybody was like, this is totally okay to broadcast. when Alex tries to describe events where I know what happened, seeing how it gets turned into what he says happened would make for such a great 70s case study. Like as a kid, he should have been abused by being forced to be on TV and talking about how strange he is to everybody. That would make more sense than this.

Yeah, this is rough. Yeah. And I think that, you know, the stuff that I'm describing about the terrible ship that he runs. Yeah. I think it's evidenced by the fact that he's doing this. Yeah. Like, this is a bad leader.

How could you not know this was going to happen? You've seen it happen before. Mm-hmm. Right? And it gets so much worse as we go through. This is still kind of coiled spring for Alex. He's still not letting loose. Okay.

So everyone out there, they just want to pretend that Alex is a censor. They just want to pretend that he's all, like, controlling everybody. Sure. That's what he's got. That's what David Knight had because they need to be censored. They need me to be the villain. Oh, my gosh, one time they only uploaded the first hour of his show instead of three. And so the evil people that just uploaded everywhere and 99% of the time get it right, they made a mistake.

Finally, Alex Jones censored me. Finally! Oh, finally. It's so good. It's so, I'm a victim. the best he's bad see he was evil i was good how you do it buddy people that bash me me and i've talked about this a lot on air you see it all the time i'll have a guest on and we go to break

and that they post it go look when they talked about this subject he went to break and they don't show that coming out of break we always come back to it or that the breaks have been set for 27 years at the exact same time got one coming up in 14 minutes 20 seconds set your watch by it it's an atomic clock, they censor by not showing you what they said after and then invert it and say, I censored. That's what other people do, because this is the whole thing to manufacture censorship. I don't know what guests Alex is talking about in particular, but I have to assume he's

talking about us. I can't imagine any other news company making fun of when Alex goes to break abruptly. Yeah. Like, that's crazy. Yeah, that is weird. That seems like something we have done. I find it strange to imagine he is not talking about, or at least fictional us. You know what I'm saying?

Like, whatever it is he thinks has happened, it's not because the New York Times was doing it. No. So it is true that Alex's radio clock dictates when he has to take a break. But his show doesn't run smoothly off that. There's times when he skips unessential breaks and he stormed off his set plenty of times when it wasn't commercial time. Sure. That said, I feel like there have been times when an uncomfortable conversation has happened just before a break, and we've made fun of how awkward it feels.

I definitely know we've done that. Yeah. In some of those cases, a topic might get picked up again after the break, but I can tell you for sure that it doesn't always. No. A lot of times they just leave it alone. Yeah. I mean, we've seen him know that a break is coming and be like,

you know what, I'm just going to wait out the clock on this one. And you'll just get like 30 seconds of bat. Killing time, filling, just talking your way out. Yep, and then just we're done. Yeah. Yeah. You can see here, though, that Alex is definitely invested in presenting himself as the victim who's being censored. Sure.

While complaining about how Owen is trying to present himself as the victim who's being censored. Right. Keep in mind that these are the guys who would make fun of minority groups for engaging in what they call the oppression Olympics. Like, these guys are clowns. Yes. Boy, I think you are giving up the game when you're saying anybody is trying to. to manufacture censorship because that's I mean he worked for you true right he learned from the best I mean yeah what else what else is there to say he's he's revealing again your business

practices that's why you're mad at him yeah your actual practice you know all of this breaking kayfabe yeah yeah that's it's almost as easy as that and then probably also just some personal yeah Alex is just this guy yeah I think they hated each other like for a long time Or at least a while. I don't think they like each other much. He won a contest for being the Cuck Destroyer. Yeah, it wasn't a formal contest. But yeah, it was, it might as well have been.

I'll say this, it would have really galled me to give that man a raise at all. I would have tried to fire him immediately. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, you got a fire. Because if you don't, he's going to lie about you on stream like he did. He's a fucking liar. Asshole.

That's what other people do, because this is the whole thing to manufacture censorship. And so you can have a Streisand effect. Oh, it was bad stuff going on. You know, I had to go, you know, this and that. I mean, like we're not human. That's very sociopathic. We're not human. And to boost yourself so you can get a million live streamers watching,

and here it is right here. You know, couldn't do that on regular news topics. Though Owen's done some great stuff and done great works, why I hired him. No, no, no. But for whatever reason, if I can just get that hit again, I'll just come out and attack Alex Jones and play victim and act sad the whole time. And it's not true.

I will not be stepped on. I just, I think that his response is at this point a bit boring. Yeah. Because he's not letting himself feel it. Right. This is still like trying to hold back a little bit. You can see a little moment of yelling here and there, Not, not like, bah.

Yeah. His tie isn't bursting off. It needs, the, the, the, okay, the Kool-Aid man needs to burst through the wall. Yeah. Because I'm sick of this shit. And it will happen. Okay. But first, there's, you know, there's still a little bit of a lull.

And in that lull, Alex threatens to reveal Owen's salary. Sure. So, Owen, tell us again, you hadn't had a raise since 2018. Is $80,000 increase in three different raises? Is that a $8,000? on top of what you're going to pay? Tell people what you are paid. Too much.

You got the clips. How about telling people, how about tell people about the bonuses? Or the hellcat I gave you. Just as a friend, here, have my hellcat. It was worth about $60,000 on game TV. It was $85,000 when I bought it? Oh, yeah.

Tell me on about how bad I am again. So if somebody will lie about people, he said was his friend for 10 years like that and so nakedly that's a really nice person so i didn't play a clip of it on our show but owen claimed in his stream that he hadn't gotten a raise in years and he's living basically paycheck to paycheck that's obviously not true unless his mortgage and car payments are comically high and alex is ready to call owen's bluff this could be pretty bad for owen because it would be him getting caught in a very clear lie if he's lying about this but it could also cut both directions. This could be a really bad move for Alex, too, because if people

find out what Owen was making at Info Wars, they're going to start to understand the level of money they were bringing in, and then Owen's criticisms of the marketing strategies start to look a lot more sinister. If Owen is making more than $150,000 a year and he was getting bonuses, it really starts to look like Alex could have done some belt tightening if he was really in such financial trouble, instead of just lashing out at the audience and doing constant ads and programming that looks like it's sponsored. This threat that Alex is making is close to mutually assured destruction. Yeah.

If you can give someone a $60,000 car and it doesn't really matter, it doesn't really affect you all that much, then you're very rich. Yeah. And I think Alex's audience likes to imagine him as doing good, but not that good. Right. Not I can give away a car and not think about it good. I think in Alex's defense, that car is not his and probably might eventually be sold anyways. Right.

It's a lot easier to give somebody a car if you already owe one and a half billion dollars. Yeah, I don't know when this did or didn't happen. Sure. So, like, I don't know if it was part of the great car giveaway, like with his dad. Yeah. I don't know. And if that's the case, obviously, less charitable. Less magnanimous.

But I also think that, you know, like when he raffles off a car, you know, like, you can know that this is the business doing it. Right. This isn't his money or whatever. This is theoretically InfoWars money. Right. And so, like, it's easier to detach from that than him just giving Owen a car. And I think the harsh reality of like, these people are fucking rich.

Yeah. I think that would hurt their image. I can't. I, listen. Owen, I understand he was paid that money through an agreement with Info Wars, and that's fine. That's what they've all done. But commensurate with his talent, that man was stealing money. Yep.

That was a theft. That was daylight robbery. Yeah. That's crazy that he's getting paid. The idea that he's getting paid $80,000, as opposed, like, over time, that it is now $80,000. It's too much money for this man. Yeah. So one of the big gripes that Owen had is the booking of guests and Alex's trying to push guests on him.

And it turns out one of them was maybe more specific. And so let me tell you what happened yesterday. I'll get to all the other news is coming up. Owen last Thursday, I'm all stressed out. My dad's had open heart surgery. It went well. I'm driving back up to Temple to see him. You know, driving back and forth, you know, came down on Thursday to do the show.

the morning, drove up here at like 5 a.m. do my show, get in the car, leave. And Kyle Serafen starts texting me saying, hey, I just got sued by Cashel's girlfriend, plus he found a secret J6 database, secretly persecuted people on this and that. I go, well, that's huge. I said, well, can you go on Owen's show if he's got a slot? And he said, yeah, when? He said, 430. So I call up Rob Agueroos, who's the producer at that time, and I say, hey, see if Owen wants him on who's got a slot, he can come on any time after 430. And then Rob calls back and he says, well, what's the topics? And I said, well, just call Serafin, but, and I said, I'll send a voice memo to Owen.

Show Owen during the break, listens to it and says, that's it. I'm leaving. And says, I'm controlling his show in a newsroom saying, hey, this is a big thing. I can't do it. Because, you know, I stay up here at 90 reports. I'd have done it. Here's this thing. You know, our team.

And that's been like that ever since he was here and before he was here. This is an element of the story that I didn't bring up on our last episode because it didn't seem all that relevant to Owen's side of the story, but now that we're hearing Alex's side, it is. On Wednesday, Alex butted into the Alex Jones show that Owen was hosting in order to bring in Kyle Serafin to talk about the mass shooter that they wanted to identify. The next day, Alex was trying to get Owen to book Serafin on the war room, which prompted Owen to walk out. Alex included an interesting detail there, which is that Serafin wanted to talk about how Kosh Patel, girlfriend is suing him, and I think this might be part of what set Owen off. Kyle Serafin is a dipshit right-wing media personality, but his claim to fame is that he used to be in the FBI, so he's got all those connections and sources. He's legit.

Right. Because of this credibility costume, he's one of the people that Alex is trying to use as like a new Steve Pichenic, and you can tell that Alex is deeply invested in courting him. Serafin does his own show, not on InfoWars, and on that show, he's accused Kosh Patel's girlfriend of being an Israeli agent and part of a honeypot operation. Sure. His assertion is that she seduced Patel under false pretenses on behalf of a foreign government, and now that he's the head of the FBI, she's controlling him through blackmail. Fun.

Serafin said, quote, he's got a girlfriend that's half his age, who apparently is both a country singer, a political commentator on Rumble, a friend of John Rich through Bongino, who also now owns a big chunk of Rumble, and she's also a former Mossad agent in what is like the equivalent of their NSA. But I'm sure that's totally because she's like really looking for a cross-eyed, you know, kind of thickish-built, super cool bro who's almost 50 years old and who's Indian in America. Like, it has nothing to do with the fact that we're really close to the Trump administration. Anyway, I'm sure it's totally just like love.

That's what real love looks like. This was after he directly said that Patel had, quote, his own little honeypot issue that's going on as of late. What you're going to do? So unsurprisingly, Patel's girlfriend sued him for defamation. If Alex was wanting to get Serafin on Owen's show, specifically to talk about how Patel's girlfriend is suing him for defamation, I can totally understand Owen not wanting to be a part of that. It seems pretty clear that Serafin made defamatory claims about this lady,

and there's no upside to Owen taking the risk of being involved. The day before, when he and Alex had their last dance rushing to the identification of a shooter, it was for a cause. that was a risk Owen was willing to take because it helped push transphobic propaganda but this Owen could get added to a new lawsuit just to help Kyle Serafin defend himself

from the consequences of his actions that's no good if this is more of the reason of why Owen walked out on Thursday then I think that was good thinking and he should have just not tried to come back yeah like that's it's disrespectful for Alex to try and foist this on you I mean any number of bad decisions have

gotten us to where we are right now. You know, I think everybody has responsibility for what's going on. I mean, I think the most understandable thing in the world to get you to quit Info Wars is I'm tired of being sued. And some suits you're willing to risk and some you're not. Sure. But I mean, eventually, eventually you just have to reach a point. I've never been sued once.

I imagine being sued once too many times. but if you're on like five or six eventually it doesn't even matter what you're being sued for I'm just tired of being sued yeah but some of them are like okay I can spin this like some lawsuits are are a hassle and they're annoying but they're like you know but you know what I can grant stand on this I can probably make a net positive out of it sure like Kyle Serafen is the kind of character that Owen has seen a thousand of come and go at InfoWars in the 10 years that he's been there Yep. There is no reason for him to stick his neck out in a position where the FBI director's

girlfriend is suing him for defamation about very obviously defamatory things that he said about her. Yeah. So, like, why get involved with that? That's going to end up being not a net positive. Yeah. That's just going to be a headache. There is no, I mean, if you are looking at the current political climate and you're thinking,

I think it's a good idea to go against anybody in the administration. You are not understanding the laws. Well, go against them on principle, but don't go against them on behalf of Kyle Serafen wanting to talk shit about Kosh Patel's girlfriend. Dumb, dumb. It's a losing game. Yeah.

So anyway, Info Wars is a bustling newsroom. And Owen just didn't like that people would give him information. Oh, my God. I mean, the guys are in there grabbing articles and videos. And all, you know, when Owen's show is about to start, I run over there with stuff that I think is important. you already have this. I think this is pretty big. You know about this? That's what goes on in newspapers and TV stations and radio stations.

You know, it's like having a pigskin in a football game or a baseball and a baseball game or or lights for a nighttime game or hot dogs and Coca-Cola being sold. But see, in the world of victimhood, in the world of victimhood, that is like absolute total censorship to give people information. So that's not how all newsrooms operate, but it's how they're depicted in movies. And so that's why Alex thinks there's paper flying everywhere and, oh, get this on my desk by three. Yeah. I'm also 100% certain that this isn't how Info Wars operates.

Like, most of Alex's content is dumb shit he saw on Twitter. Like, there's no people running around and like, boss, you've got to go to look at this. No, they've probably got a Slack channel that they all just post a YouTube links into. Yes. That's probably about the entirety. A couple of TikToks here and there. Yeah, absolutely. They just get to their phones like, oh, this seems like you can yell about this for an hour.

And then they print them out. They print out tweets. Yep. Great. Yep. So that, like, Alex is just doing a newsroom. Right. Totally.

They're just giving people information. Right. It's a pig skin or a hot dog. I mean, yeah. And that's called censoring? But that's how he's then vague. He was standing over me. You know, actually, if we did our job better, I would.

be doing that every day not bringing them something once a week hey in there on the computer i just grabbed it off fox off the satellite uh hey we have raw feeds too off satellites hey look at this raw feed come get this that's so man that's that's bad isn't it like i'm running around at big tv screens with satellite feeds and saying look at this look at that i mean that is just horrible i sit in the coffee room it's got satellite feeds and eat my lunch at three o'clock and then i sit there and text the crew hey this is looks interesting that looks interesting come man i want to Apologize right now. I mean, you're talking nasty evil, okay, being a news town.

I mean, I want to apologize actually to Owen for that. But that's the type of sophistry where you go, oh, he would hang over me. He would try to control the show. He would whatever. Total lie. Classic sophistry. Man, that's like seeing Coco the gorilla sign of word. You're like, man, how did you do that?

Well done. So Alex doesn't monitor raw satellite feeds and buzz around telling everyone about interesting things he saw. This is all just a Twitter recap show. And imagining him looking for content anywhere else is laughable. This clip, though, is a good representation of one of Alex's primary tricks. He's accused of something. And then to defend himself, he creates a fake version of the accusation and then misrepresents what that fake version of the accusation is. So in this case, Owen is basically accusing Alex of micromanagement.

He wouldn't let Owen run his own show and injected himself into things constantly in a way that made Owen feel uncomfortable. Alex has created a fake version of this accusation, which is that Alex would come into the war room and give him important breaking stories. That's not what Owen said, but because Alex is pretending that's what the complaint is, he can take that and mock it by saying that he's being accused of censorship because he gave a guy information. Alex does tricks like this because it's essential that he be able to maintain the hero and victim status. He was just a heroic journalist doing his duty by monitoring these raw satellite feeds and now his alleged friend is out there stabbing him and his victim back. It's all the... It's office tree.

Yeah. It is multiple layers of bullshit in order to confuse how... Like once you start dealing with one level of bullshit, you've already lost. because you've got two more to get through before you can even start talking about the thing that you were actually talking about and by the time you get to number two he's off to three different other things

you're fucked yeah yeah you're never gonna catch up you either dominate or you lose that's it with Alex so Alex he's talking about this the subtle lies about censorship yes and I think that he starts to get his motor running okay he starts to feel actually kind of mad about now we're

actually mad now we're in now we're out of professional mad and we're into personal mad yeah and i believe in this clip is kind of where the hinge point happens and then as all the articles come out and jones uh censored schroyer on trump criticism and israel so let let's see if schroier comes out and apologizes for you oh no he's going to say i didn't really exactly say that no no you couched each statement perfectly thought out and looking down at your notes to be able to lie about us and try to hurt this organization for your benefit so you can be a hero you are a snake you are a rat you are a fraud you are a backstabber you are a handbiter you are a disgrace yeah all right so we got the name calling starting oh

we got about six names in there but one of them was handbiter Hand biter. Hand bit. While I get it, that's not going to carry you over the goal line, you know? Hand biter's not going to do it. Well, he said, you're a snake. Right. You're a rat.

Right. You're a, and I thought he was going to say fish. I was. I thought we were going to go all animals. I thought we were going to go with fucking asshole, but I couldn't be wrong. So look, as this dam breaks, and Alex is like, I'm fucking name calling now. Fuck it. Handbiter.

I'm starting to feel mad. Hell yeah. He realizes, you know what? I fucking. hated Owen for months. That guy was being a real dick. Let's start from the beginning. So now Alex starts rewriting this shit

where I like, you know what? Fuck that guy. That sounds true. And let me say something else about you. About you. Even before he went to prison for four months and we did the crowdfunding, raised, fought everything for him all that. He stopped talking to the crew very much

and didn't have a good attitude. It was pissed off all the time. And then it got to where he wouldn't, he'd show up right before the show, wouldn't even talk to the crew, he'd walk by me and say something like you know sort of laughing at me like like again i'm not junior high so it didn't hurt me at that level it hurt me that he was just like yeah sounds true oh and we can go further when the onion backed by bloomberg did the fraudulent

auction and got caught in all of that back in november on november 13th and i said we're not and this is a fraud. I'm filing an emergency motion. The judge found it to be a fraud. He had a two-day hearing on all that. Owen just left and just called a producer and said, I'm done, I quit. Even though we have a backup studio, I told everybody, hey, it's going to be fine. We have new backers, all this stuff if we get shut down. He's like, I'm gone. Starts announcing, because it's the time because in force being shut down, he thinks, announced his new network and funding and all this stuff.

And then we're back the next day, and Owen just shows back up and does his show. and walks in and just looks, I mean, looks at me with hatred and like slinks in there just because he really wanted me to fire him so he could be a victim. And I, I confided just as a few of the producers. I said, he wants to be a victim. I said, I'm going to have love and say prayers for him that he gets better. It'll be really nice to him, give him extra bonuses.

Maybe he'll pull out of it. I try to talk to him. He's never wanted to talk to me. And I said, but I said, he's going to stab me in the back. He's a new person. So my favorite part of that clip is towards the beginning. When Alex is trying to come up with a mean thing that Owen allegedly said to him, his mind is desperately trying to find an insult that Owen could have said that isn't too mean.

Right. He's put himself into a strange box where he needs to write a line for Owen to say that's shitty enough that it stuck out to him to the point where he'd bring it up now, but not so shitty that it would require him to have fired Owen back then. Right. Alex can come up with nothing, so he just decides to laugh a bit. Like, Oh, and was laughing at me. Beyond that, though, Alex sounds like a real solid dude. It's just an amazing boss.

He's so patient and generous. When his employees are treating him like shit and abandon him in his darkest hour, he doesn't fire them. He prays for them, and then he gives them more money, hoping that they'll see the light. When someone talks about themselves this way, that should be a huge red flag that they are a huge piece of shit. Yep.

And that this is not true. I mean, sometimes it's fascinating to me how people work, right? Because of all the things that people do now that don't make sense to me, one of them is like, listen to a man say this and not intervene immediately. You know, like just those words, those words have never been spoken by somebody who's not crazy. Like, it's just never happened. I don't believe that those words have been spoken by someone. who did pray for someone and wish them well and gave them more bonuses and tried to resolve the problem.

That person who goes through all those actions doesn't do this. Nope. It's mutually exclusive. It's just fucking fascinating. That's what I'm saying. Put him on a TV show in the 70s. Be like, how does your brain work? I don't know.

That's it. That's perfect. Biodome. Yep. So, Owen, there's a chance that he might be. Oh, is he doing drugs too? he's on that weed wow so Alex is so magnanimous to a known drug user we don't know it's just possible he might be on that weed okay and i don't know if it's uh his personal life i don't know

if it's stuff he's smoking but i've seen a lot of people get paranoid you know the smoke pot and go nuts but i mean i can just tell you this right now that that i'm not here to be shed on or stab in the back this crew isn't your punching bag And we did nothing to you but be loyal. Nobody said anything about the crew. Five-hour extravaganza, a blue-blue little puppy dog that doesn't know why. And he just wanted to come back and shake my hand and be nice. And then I kind of censored him and said, no, you don't need to host your show.

You want to hear what he said in the phone call to me? I didn't record it. Oh. Oh. That's tough. I don't think you're going to tell me the truth then. Yeah, that makes me worried about credibility. But he might be on that weed.

Owen might be on that weed. I mean, amazing. Amazing to be like, I've seen a lot of people smoke weed and go crazy. Get paranoid. And quit their jobs in a huff. That happens to everybody. And do a months-long premeditated publicity stunt. Yeah.

Betrayal. That's a weed behavior. That's totally what people who are just doped out do. What was it that Drake said about Rick Ross, that he was loopy on the manjaro that might be what Alex is Alex might be loopy on the manjaro something like that

so um Alex didn't record that call no and that's that's tough because like you are saying it makes it very hard to believe this upcoming story of the phone call oh boy you want to hear what he said in the phone call to me I didn't record it

I was in the pool with my eight year old daughter playing with her Barbie dolls at whatever it was four clock yesterday. You know, a rare day. I actually only came in and worked the office about four hours. So I go back. She's literally calling me. Daddy, you're supposed to be home. You said to be home at 10. I want to play in the yard. So I'm sitting there about 4 o'clock bobbing around. And I get a text message, hey, I'll see it 10 a.m. tomorrow. Because remember, I called him Thursday when he just got up and left. I said, hey, what's wrong? And he's like Monday. I mean, because he's, he's, he's, he's,

he's the commander. And so I asked him a few texts later. I said, hey, can we talk now? Ignores me. So Monday rolls around. Talk 10 a.m. tomorrow. I got the text right here. And I'm like, that's kind of late, maybe 9.30, whichever.

I said, how about we just talk right now? Because I go, it's pretty clear you're about to quit. He goes, you really want to do this right now? I said, yeah. So he calls up. And while I'm calling him, he calls me. So I pick it up. And he starts talking to me like he's,

literally a pimp and i am a crack whore he's like here's how it's going to be i'm leaving and blah blah blah well what's the problem what's the thing well what can we do i mean you know i i i don't understand he's like well it's just gone on too long and whatever but i'll tell you this if you're really desperate if you're really desperate you can pay me more money but i'll tell you this i'm going to promote my new show on Info Wars and I went which again I'm not even against him having a show if he was nice I was just like it was just kind of like I was like well yeah I said you know in the bankruptcy stuff I can't really give you a raise but I said that's okay Owen he goes well you know what you know it's a favor for you I'll come in and do a week

I'm like no that's that that's okay Owen I I'm not that's fine I wish you well And I hung up and literally got a tear in my eye because he was talking to me with just like, just like a, like Patrick Bateman or something. And so I go back and get the pool and, you know, keep playing. Oh, that seems like what you would do. I'm sure that Owen did say that if Alex gave him more money, he'd stay. And I'm sure that he said that no matter what, he was going to promote his new show on Infor's if he stayed. But I don't believe any of the way Alex is telling this story, except for the part where he's in a pool. I believe that.

I would say that that is probably true. Although I suspect that an eight-year-old doesn't play with dolls inside a pool. I have no idea. Alex better hope Owen wasn't recording that call. One of the main things I'm taking away from this response that Alex is having is that he's confident that Owen doesn't know anything that can actually hurt him. This shit is way over the top, and if I were Owen, I would burn Alex so fucking hard. Owen's stream was way more insulting than he probably thought it came off, but it was fairly restrained in terms of what he could have said. Now that Alex is responding this way, there's really nothing stopping him from going to the bankruptcy court or the FBI and telling them all that he knows about Alex's shadow ownership of the Alex Jones store.

There's a lot of problems that he could create. But Alex's actions indicate to me that he's pretty confident that Owen doesn't have actual proof of anything. Because if he does, this is a risky move. I mean, what would, you know, I think that would be giving Owen a lot of forethought. and competence that I don't think he has. I don't know. I mean, it's possible, but I would strongly believe that Owen, it never even occurred to Owen that maybe on his way out he should take a little something

as an insurance policy. I bet it didn't even occur to him. You're probably right. I'm just saying that Alex is taking a really interesting gamble. I'm with you. I wouldn't risk it if I were him. I mean, it doesn't make sense to me to risk doing your live stream if you're not going to go after Alex, right? Like, it doesn't make sense any of the things that these people are doing.

Well, I think that the live stream largely was desperation. Right. There's a relevance that will fast approach if you don't strike now. Right. And I think that he thought he was being really, really polite. Of course. I think he did not realize, like, he was. kicking Alex in the balls.

Right. And because of that, he couldn't have gone farther because he didn't mean to. I mean, I know, but it's like, do you not know where and who you are? These people don't understand. Like, I don't, I hate that all of them make all of their decisions wrong. But it makes sense because we wouldn't be here if they made good decisions. It indicates a certain amount more of being in the delusion than we realize. Yeah.

absolutely and that's scary yeah so now it's just shit talk time sure so then he races out and goes on air and it's like I you know I'm just leaving because you know I know I can't talk about about Trump and you know I know it hurts Jones's access and you know he really you know all in you window didn't he didn't have the guts did you tell the pure lie that I told him to do stuff which I didn't and a bunch of other stuff I haven't watched half of it it's just so painful to watch. He's sitting there manipulating and wriggling around like a snake trying to make it as bad as he can, but skate, skate the edge so he can say, I never did that because he's got the whole crew knows it's not true. He's got the other host that, no, it's not true. So he wants

to pull a day but night. I mean, Harrison Smith says whatever he wants. I walked this morning, I said, have I ever told you not to say something? He goes, no, it's actually, I'm surprised you haven't. I'm kind of out of control. I go, but I like you're a good guy. Just say whatever you want. So, and I've got all the producers and all the people I've said on air, I think Owen's two blackpilled, as an example, and that we all should be more positive. That's my opinion. It's not an attack. It's a discussion. I don't think that Owen was being cagey and he was just too afraid to be direct about his complaints about Alex.

It felt more like he thought he was taking the high road, but didn't realize how bad what he was saying sounded. This is the guy who was saying that he's going to be America's anchor man. He's not working from a place of self-awareness, so I can see it very easily be like, I just didn't realize. Alex is being unfair to Owen's comments, like as unfair as he could be. But that's his right. Owen stepped a little too far, whether he was aware of that or not, and it pissed Alex off, and now this is happening. But Alex also needs to recognize that what he's describing is an emotionally abusive workplace. Alex is the only real boss at the company, and he's saying on his show that one of his employees is two black people.

That's not a conversation or an interesting debate. It's a public scolding that's meant to change Owens' behavior. When Alex barges into Harrison's show and asks if he ever censors Harrison, while they're live, what does he really expect Harrison to say? That guy is an unambitious follower, so he would probably say no, sir, no matter what, but anyone in that kind of situation is being put in a high-pressure position. You have to say no, or else it's going to be a fight. This guy owns the network.

he's your boss, he just stormed onto your show uninvited, and asked you if he censors you. If you say yes, what do you think is going to happen next? This is an emotionally manipulative tactic where Alex is demanding validation in a high-intensity public setting in order to all but ensure that the person responds the way he wants them to. It's like someone proposing to a partner they're not sure will say yes on live TV or at a show. The thinking is that they might say no privately, but if there's the pressure of the crowd, it's more likely they'll say yes. Saying no requires you to publicly humiliate another person,

and most people really don't want to do that. It's the same with Alex's tactic. All you need to know is that his son mimicked shooting himself in the head with a gun, with a finger gun while Alex barged into the studio earlier. That says more than Harrison's like, no, you never censor me. Yeah. Yeah, his son was, uh, kill me. I mean, it's just, it's just a lesson that I don't understand why people never,

learn. Like, it doesn't matter if you say that he told you what to say or you imply that he put pressure on you to say things. When Alex says it, you are going to say that he, that he censored you. You are lying about him. That's what's going to happen. Whatever you say. There's no thing that you say that won't result in Alex going, he's telling people that I told him what to say. Even if you were like, sometimes Alex gave me a pizza if I did good. He'd be like, he's telling me that, you know? So just fucking, if you're going to fight with him, then just fucking say it.

Yeah. You know? And say something that's going to get him off his front foot. Absolutely. But like, I think that you look at that scenario with like, with Harrison. And like, if Alex is censoring them, him asking him on air, do I censor you is going, the answer is going to be no. And it's part of it.

it. Right. That's part of the censorship. Exactly. So even if the answer is yes, the answer is going to be no on air, because it's just, I don't know. Do you know what, so a lot of slave owners, right? They would ask people, they'd be like,

do you like being a slave? And the slaves would be like, we love being a slave. Because you murder us if we say we don't. Yeah, it's an unreliable query. Yeah. You're just forcing me to participate in my own humiliation. Yeah. So, Owen, one of the things that he was doing in his stream was really playing up how hurt he was, that he didn't get to shake Alex's hand and go out positive.

He did play that up. And Alex makes fun of that. It's good call. Probably rightly. That's good call. He then runs on air and is like, I just wanted to come back for a week and shake his hand and thank him. But he didn't. He doesn't want to be my friend.

meanwhile let me tell you how it is i mean literally yeah no it's all over it's not you can't get me back i tell you though if you're really desperate and he said that and i went excuse me there was more and he goes well i mean if if you want to do something really desperate and he was really getting off on it and i'm like going this is an evil son of a bitch man wow i had a snake around here i had no idea and i literally started getting tears in my eyes because he was burning down like an old house It burns up in like two minutes. He's burning down. I'm just like, oh, and I got to go, man.

And I literally stumbled in the pool. And I was just like, ugh, uh, and I was like, I'm going to take the high road. I called the crew. I said, let's be nice. Let's be sweet. And then I started seeing the clips. And, Owen, man, you're a piece of crap, brother. All right.

And if I was anybody, I wouldn't turn my back on Owen Schroier. So, I mean, he took Snake to the next level. So Owen Schroier's dead to me. Oh, damn. You mean to tell me that the cuck destroyer is unreliable, opportunistic, and maybe not to be trusted? Crazy. Oh, man. So Alex is completely out of line, and he's all over the place here.

But that whole, like, I just wanted to shake his hand thing. That was bullshit. Yeah, no, good call. Yeah, Alex is right to make fun of that. Fuck that guy. He should calm down, though. This is all a little crazy. And he should also be saying some prayers that Owen didn't record that call.

Because if he did, Alex is committed to a story, and that could be pretty bad for you. Yeah, we'll see. So, you know, now we've gotten into a territory where, like, for months, Owen has been a piece of shit. Right. And I've hated him around the office. We've established this, and even though this story coincides with me being so nice that I've offered him multiple raises within this time period.

Only because he was in such a funk, and I didn't want to, look, the truth is he just wanted to be a victim, and I didn't want to give him what he wants. Now, any perhaps prior knowledge of me or evidence of me that you might have seen during that time would have me be explosive, emotionally unsupportive, inconsistent, and maybe fucking crazy and mean. That's my on-air character. Exactly. Behind the scenes, I'm a saint.

Just completely different. Yeah. So Alex talks about how, like, I would have fired him, but he wanted me to. Owen Troyer's dead to me. If he goes on air and repents to Jesus and apologizes for being. or whatever it is he is, then I will forgive him. Will you? He thinks that he would like absorb us as a launch pad and lie about us to make himself a victim so he could project himself and launch his own show.

When he cut and run and didn't even call me or didn't even say anything or didn't even say, hey, what can I do? He just cut and run and said, I'm done with you people. When Bloomberg and the Onion came in here and ransacked this place, And we stood up to him and won thanks to your backing and God's Providence. And the whole time, he was trying to cut and run. Yeah, man. But then when he figured out that, oh, it's still there. He slunk back over.

And I never even came to him. I said, it's good to have you back, man. Glad, blah, blah. Just, yeah. Okay, sure. Just like that. People say, why was you somebody around like that? Because I wasn't going to give him what he.

wanted. But I was going to give him raises. I knew what he was going to do, but I wanted to make sure. It's one thing to know what somebody's going to do, but it's another to wait till they do it. And he did it worse than I thought. What about your prayers? Owen thinks his new franchise is going to be talking crap about me. He thinks his new franchise is going to be running down this fabled operation, this incredible crew and our supporters that are the info war.

Well, guess what, buddy? you can piss up a rope. As no matter what happens to this office or the name InfoWords, we're going to go on forever thanks to the listeners and the viewers. God bless you all. If you're a boss and you're publicly claiming that you didn't fire a wildly insubordinate employee because they just wanted to play the victim and you didn't want to give them what they wanted,

you are the problem. Leadership sets a tone in a workplace, and as a wise man once told me, whatever you accept becomes acceptable. The expectations that Alex sets on his staff are incoherent, that's his fault entirely. The onion thing was months ago, and if Alex is saying that Owen was a totally different person since at least then, that's nine months of salary that he's paying this guy just

so he wouldn't get the satisfaction of feeling like a victim. That's not leadership, and no one can thrive in that environment. That's the only part of this that's even a little bit complicated, I think, to deal with. Like, Owen sucks, and after he walked out on Thursday, it's insane for him to expect that he's entitled to come back the next week and continue his job. Ridiculous. Anyone should expect to be fired for that. Yeah.

But at the same time, Alex has created a workplace where who knows what you can or can't do. There is that. Alex does whatever the fuck he wants, and you can't expect to have the same liberty. In an environment like that, you often never know where the line is until you cross it. And that's an abusive way to run a workplace. Basically, I think it's important for me to stress that I'm not taking either person's side in this, but I'm placing far more blame on Alex. how it went. Owen is delusional, and he seemed to not understand how incendiary what he said on his

dream would be, but Alex created the work conditions that Owen had to put up with, which are fundamentally unfair and wrong, and why this happens. Yeah. Yeah. So it's on him. We are all where we are because of the decisions that have been made, and none of them have been in a positive direction. And the person who had the most agency to make better choices is Alex. Yeah, absolutely. And him not recognizing that is just a mess so you also so not only are you not going to fire this guy because that's what he wants you're going to give him raises because that's what he doesn't want and you're going to pray for him because you hope the lord because you also hate this guy already you hope the lord makes him repent but also you'll still hate him but also well you hate the sin not

the sinner right right this is the idea of portraying yourself as this person is He's so funny. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's like, why are you talking? You're crazy. Well, I think it's because Alex needs people to know he's great. You know, hey, somebody has to. And so Owen, Owen, he's dead damn.

Absolutely. He's a hand biter. All of this terrible stuff. Handbiter. But Owen, he should know that Alex is holding back. There's other bad stuff that he has to say. There's more hands to bite. And by the way, I'm going to say this to tough guy, Owen Troyer, the smartest guy in the room.

Mr. No. It all thinks he can run. run a publicity stunt to hurt our operation for his own gain. I didn't bring out the bad stuff. So go ahead and run your mouse some more. And go ahead. You've got some bad stuff going to sell me? Just more.

Just do it. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Like Elvis says. Let's go. Well, if you're really desperate,

you can pay me more. But I'm going to promote my new show on your station. And I just said, said to him five minutes before well if you're doing something new great you know with these new backers we've got if they shut down info wars we're going to go to you know 20 hours a day and like to work with you again i'm yeah i don't think so and i was just talking to harrison out in the hall during the break and he said yeah we thought info wars was going under because the crew didn't really believe me we were going to beat them and we also have a backup which we do now they

know that i understand you know that they didn't know back then now they really believe because we survived a bunch of these attacks he said oh oh and that's great well i'd like to work with you man we should do a show once a week together and kind of keep the old team together. Somehow, I want to go, no, I'm working my loan. And that was the attitude was he wouldn't even talk to anybody for years here in the office. Years? Just went completely cold. I'd be like, hey, let's go on and get a steak sometime.

Nah, it's all right. And he'd pull up the parking lot, just get out and just look at me like, I mean, literally, like. Like a demon? he walked by me just go look me from the feet up just go like a liberal right i mean you talk about an arrogant person yeah pretty arrogant maybe slightly liberal so it feels like alex has to be pretty sure that owen doesn't have proof of anything damaging and he clearly thinks the worst that can come out of this is a big public fight that brings him more attention yeah he's now resorted to using harrison allegedly saying things to him in the hall as a weapon so the emotional abuse

has escalated to trying to sew division between friends. Yeah. And no one should be surprised by that. No, your little brother loves me. I don't understand why you're listening to what your mother has to say. You're poisoning us. Nick sided with me. Yep.

But for real, if Owen hadn't been talking to people at work for years and was being an asshole to everyone, then this is Alex's fault for not addressing it appropriately. You can't run a workplace like this, or else it sends the message to everyone working there that you don't matter. Owen being a dick to people and not talking to anyone, if that's even true, is a sign of him not feeling like part of the group. It's anti-social behavior, and ignoring it and allowing it to continue is just bad management. The ideal thing to do is to find a way to reincorporate this person into the group and make them feel included, but if that's not possible, then you need to fire them for their own sake. Some people are just a little antisocial by nature, and that's one thing, but this is someone whose personality changed years into working somewhere.

which is a strong indication that something isn't right about this job situation. If they can't get back into the team and you can't figure out ways you might be able to accommodate them, you have to fire them. If you don't, you send all your other employees a subtle message that you don't care if they're miserable. It's bad for morale to keep someone like that around because of the obvious bad vibes, but also because it's not addressing their needs. The job they're in has become a source of misery, so enabling them to stay in it even though they're miserable isn't helping anyone for Alex to allow owen to continue working there through years of not talking to anyone what message could other employees possibly take from that you have

nothing that you have no support from management like it's it's a hostile hostile environment i mean that's but you know what i i will say that that's entirely i i don't know if you go to info wars and you think you're not going to get a hostile environment i'm i don't understand you as a person yeah no i i know i a hundred percent agree with that but at the same time um like i'm with you if you if you are drowning in your bathtub that's horrible but you know that's an accident something's going wrong if you can't swim and you go into the middle of the ocean and just hang out that's kind of on you man uh yeah yeah i'm mixed feelings so alex is like you know you're a back stabber you fuck you're dead to me absolutely um and i he seems to think that he's

taking the high road in this whole thing that's he is i've been stabbing the back so much and people lie about me so much that i've taken the high road every single time and and this is the high road every single time because if i let him sit there and tell all those lies he did he'll just make a cottage industry out of it that's what these people do former employees say that you know there's a fish bowl and i grab the fish out and eat it there's never been a fish or fish pole here and and you know just just all sorts of of insane crap and i just put up with it but but here's the difference i wasn't friends i mean i liked him i knew him but i didn't hang out with them hundreds of times at restaurants and bars i didn't go on trips or remember where i didn't

shake their hand and laugh and he was a funny nice sweet guy but even before he went to prison he turned nasty and all i can say is he's unrecognizable from the old owen Troyer and same are you i got all this other big news to talk about people tune in on the radio stations all over the country to hear about the news and information and i was so excited yesterday about today's show and all the good things the trump administration's doing oh damn i wish i could get to the news wow no one's people are tuning in for that they want to hear you they want to hear you yell about ow it yes that's what we're all here for yes how dare you act like the trump administration matters i want to hear about what dan bongino's up to no nope

Pam Bondi did something. He's a handbiter. Hand biter. He's a handbiter. So there's an issue in Info Wars. And that is who's going to host the war room? There is a, that's, I mean, Alex is. Well, sure.

Yeah. But not permanently. Right, right, right, right. Yes, I got you. So we got to figure out who's going to slide in there. Right, right. I will be hosting the war room today, 3 to 6 p.m. With Jonathan Greenblatt, Owens, replacement.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. It's a joke. Actually, Nick Feintez and Yeh are, have agreed to host the war room. Nick Feintez and Yeh will now be the host of the war room. Weekdays, 3 to 6 p.m. Central Standard Time. So look for that. We are very, very excited. And David Duke is the producer. So we want to please the listeners, give you what you want. I'm joking. Hey, I would actually, if Ye and Nick want to host the war room, actually, this is not a joke.

I'm publicly inviting Nick Fuentes to host the war room 3 to 6 p.m. weekdays. Now, bring out the Gimp. What? The Gimp's sleeping. Well, you just have to go wake him up now, won't you? Oh, my God. Somehow I feel like Ali Alexander will be wearing the Gimp mask more than Yeh, though. He can't make this up.

A reference was because Yeh came on with a C mask. Oh, that's right. That's right. I got you. So that's stuff about Nazis taking over the war room and David Duke producing the show is something that Alex wants to play off as a joke. But there's a large portion of his audience that would really want that. Hiring Nick would be the worst mistake that Alex has ever made. So there's a part of me that hopes he does it. I'm pretty sure Nick would say no, though.

That's just not worth of time. That part at the end there with the gimp stuff is Alex making a fun joke about how Ali Alexander would be the one wearing the mask. It's funny because Alex and InfoWars loved Ali Alexander and promoted him constantly. Roger even made him the leader of the Stop the Steel 2020 campaign. And then everyone pretended not to know him after it came out that he was sexting underage boys and trying to leverage sexual favors from them by offering political access. All right. Apparently, a lot of people knew about this, but looked the other way because he was a popular right-wing provocateur.

And Alex took him along on the Stop the Steel tour to all the state capitals. Who knows, maybe he was picking up underage gay boys during that. Yep. Alex making a joke like this should tell you everything you need to know about how seriously he takes the idea of people he's been friends with and worked closely with being child predators. This is fucking disgusting. Yep. Anyway, fuck him. Yep.

So Alex taunts Owen a little bit. bit about you're going to fail you're going to fail i mean yeah absolutely yeah well owen's going to have a lot more time now to go out and just show us what show us all the success show us the total victory you know now that you're not held back by the evil info wars crew that just backed you and supported you and did everything for you now that you're free of the chains of me lording over you and sending video clips to the crew a couple times a day or handing out, I mean, you know, the crews is bringing me stuff with the morning show brings me stuff. Matt comes over that produces that show and says, hey, this guest was good. Do you want

him? And I go, dad, that's a great guest. Thank you. I don't go, oh, my God, Matt, you're trying to run my show. That's all he had. In the last few months, like, I'd go, hey, you ought to have this guest on. And he would just ignore me. And they later said, oh, he blew up about that. Hey Stuart Rhodes is here today We'd like him on C of Owen once him on That's That's censorship right there man

It's pretty shitty for Alex To just be taunting Owen About how he's going to be a failure But I get it Hurt people, hurt people And it's funny I mean it couldn't be more of a different Daddy relationship

Than Nick Fwentess being told He's just like Alex when he was younger And Alex telling Owen that he's going to fail miserably because he sucks. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy because Alex is inhabiting like this weird abusive parent role, but also a child, like where Owen is his dad also.

Yeah. Like it's weird. Yeah. But this clip provides a helpful example of how Alex's thinking about relations is flawed. The producer of his morning show is a subordinate to Alex. So him suggesting a guest Alex could have on is a suggestion. If Alex suggested a guest to that producer, they wouldn't take it as a suggestion. They would right leave you it as a request, at least.

Alex doesn't have a boss, so he can't understand the position that his employees are in when he talks to them. He wants to just be another one of the guys, but he's not. He's an emotionally unstable, very angry manchild who owns the company and can fire any of them at will. Yeah. He doesn't understand the way that communication is different between boss and employee and, employee and scary boss. Well, what he would like is to be treated as though he's one of the guys, but for them to also recognize if they step out of line for a single second, retribution will be quick and

devastating. But he shouldn't be alienated just because he wields that power over them. No, I'm just another one of the guys. However, if you step out of line, devastation. But I'm a cool bro. I'm a cool bro. Let's go get a steak. What did you just say?

Devastation. So Alex, he does get to some news. And he talks about like RFK doing a great job with vaccines and stuff like that. Yeah. But of course, the mind drifts. And by by the third hour, Alex is in a fucked up headspace. He is furious. Okay.

I guess I guess he just kind of got bored. Like Trump was doing a press conference. Yeah. You know, he was holding a press conference to announce like he's putting Space Force somewhere. Sure. And Alex was just kind of bored by it. Yeah. I think he's stewing, and it just leads to him being like, all right, the rest of the show, I'm just going to freak out.

Okay, all right. And so he decides to cut what I would describe as an iffy wrestling promo. All right. And I just will not have my identity stolen. I'm going to let Owen wear my skin so that he can be the hero and the censored one. You know, Nick Fuentes is really getting censored and attack. that's why any he's he's interesting entertaining and informative i don't know what he says but that's why he's successful he's covering topics news saying what he thinks and he gets censored to attack those are

real attacks but don't you don't you turn me into a springboard for your bullshit and my crew that's so embattled when you weren't here when the auction happened and all the stuff happened and you bailed and didn't even seem to care You're a baby. Owen Schroier is a, is a baby sucking on a pacifier. All right. In love with himself. And if he apologizes for everything,

I still wouldn't turn my back on him. But I'll, you know, but I mean, that's it. And of course, oh, I'm nothing but love for Info Wars. Good. Come out and talk about how you innuendo you were being censored. Talk about, talk about how you sat there and did that. how about you do that and if you don't that's fine you're big you're tough man you're smart and everybody i'm sure you're not going to have a problem i mean look at all the enemies

alex jones got i'm sure i'm going to get taken down soon right owen yeah let's just pile on to alex you know let's let's let's pile on to the crew let's you know let's let's not be there where they do the fake auction let's just quit right away and talking to the crew like we We don't want to talk crap, but yeah, it's true. But most days, we come in and say hi. He wouldn't even say hi to us. Yeah, he's an asshole. He's an elitist, arrogant dirtbag.

Owen Schroier is scum. This happens so fast. Like that, Owen? You want more? I got a lot more. You think I'm here to be shit on? Do I look like a fucking toilet to you? This is the dark Alex Jones.

There's no more. filter it's gone and anybody fucks with me is going to get the full truth and nothing but it so help me God because all that matters is I go down

swinging and I don't pull any punches and I don't play any games and I have censored I have lied by not going full hardcore for myself in telling you what I really think. I didn't censor anybody else, but I censored this guy. I never lied to you, but I lied to myself.

And that's over. You think Alex Jones the last 12 months leveled up? Well, guess what? The next level's here. And if you want to fight, you better believe you've got one. Anybody? anybody he did the catchphrase but if you've sucked off my tits uh like the wolf that fed romulus and remus and i've done nothing but giving you support and make no mistake for 10 years owen schroier's

been sucking off the info war's tit and then you want to try to stab your mother in the back because you're a big boy leaving the nest well guess what you know what your mother is going to do piss on you wait what what how is that what mom's gonna do here's what's so funny about this earlier like an hour ago when he was talking about

the info wars place in there I kept thinking you know what Info Wars is like in the media they're like the hills have eyes you know Alex is this deformed mother who's got adult son sucking off and here we are

yeah he's saying it he's saying it and you know what else the hills have eyes people do they pee on each other and they found it Rome and they found in Rome the hills have Rome I think I follow a lot of what Alex was saying there but then right at the end I'm so lost why is mom gonna pee mom is gonna piss on you okay I mean all right dude ah that's does that say something about you that we need to know I think it says more that, like, he just ran out of steam. Yeah. He didn't know what the next words were.

The emotions were taken over. He's getting into this promo. He's talking shit. Now, I think that an argument could be made, and I think it would be a solid argument, that some of this has been a little bit underwhelming. Sure. Like, there was a blow-up during the American Journal. Sure.

And then Alex did a little bit of a restrained, like, boring. We haven't gotten any hatchets. Yeah. This is starting to be a little bit of hatchet territory. We're getting close. Yeah. We're getting close. And so it goes on.

And I think the point that Alex wants to make here is that he's not hurt. No, not at all. He's pissed. Sure. I mean. And he would be a fucking liar if he came on air and tried to pretend that he was hurt, which is also what he planned to do until he decided to be mad. Right.

In fact, I was so ready to cover what Kennedy's doing just slaying the tyrants politically. And then I was going to come on air and say, I'm hurt and, you know, do that. But, you know, that's fake. No, I'm pissed. I mean, I was hurt when he, when first did what he did. But then when I heard what he did, I got pissed. So I just made the decision this morning. I said, no, I'm just going to let it all hang out.

Piss, I don't deserve this. And my crew doesn't deserve this. And this is emblematic of the spiritual rot that he would treat us like we were Legos to build what he wanted. Thought he was going to say piss. Oh, God, if I say Alex censored me and play victim, I can boost my new operation off of that. And it's like, man, I've known you 10 years and ever did nothing but you be your friend. And I put with all your arrogance the last few years. and then you sat there and you did that, that's an enemy.

And if I don't say that's an enemy, I'm lying. So on, you can post your little videos about always a great ride, 114s. No, you don't. You tried to use us and our goodwill to propel yourself. You're a liar. And so I declare war on you. Oh, man. Oh, somebody's been declared war upon.

Another active war that's going on. So many wars. See, this is the thing that Roger Stone understands, right? It doesn't matter that he went to prison for Trump. It doesn't, none of that matters. What matters is right now, I am saying something nice about Trump. That's the only thing that matters. The moment I am not doing that, Trump hates me forever.

The end. That's it. Nope. there's no loyalty. Well, there's no meaningful loyalty. Right, right, right. Well, their loyalty only goes one way. Yeah.

And I like the whole premise that Alex is, he's trying to be like, I'm being very serious. Yeah. And this is for real. I'm pissed. Uh-huh. And in order to drive that home, I want to tell you that I was prepared to lie to you all and say that I was hurt.

I was going to cry. I was going to fake cry. I was totally going to fake cry. I was going to emotionally manipulate you all so I could play the victim. Yep. Nope. I'm pissed. I was going to take the high road by

being hurt, but instead I'm going to take the high road by declaring war on you. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to pretend to be hurt when I hadn't heard what he said. Right. And then I heard what he said, and now I'm mad. When I thought he said nice things, I was going to lie about how I was hurt by them. But now I know they're not nice, so I'm going to lie about being hurt by them.

Yeah. So it's war. It's war. And you know what happens in war? You go to the room? No. Oh. Mr.

Nice guy goes away. All right. And he's replaced by a Germanic berserk. So Owen Schroyer thought he'd launched his little war as a publicity stunt against us and that we would roll over because we're so nice. He took our kindness for weakness. No, now is the time for Godzilla arise from the sea. If you thought the last 12 months of Alex Jones was dark Alex Jones,

you've seen nothing yet. I swear to God, no more filter. Because I've lied to you. not about big issues not about things that matter no no no i've been too kind nick fointess said last week i saw the clip he said you know i'm irish and italian and mexican so i don't have the filters what's wrong with these germanics why do they roll over why are they so nice because we're containing our power he said that he was right he said it's time for viking berserkers well guess what i was already literally thinking about

being a Germanic berserker because I was so attracted to that as a young child reading about it and that's what I did later in life that I was saying I'm going to be a berserker I'm going to absolutely have no filter and then I get a clip and Nick Fuentes says that's the same thing and I'm like that's all I need to see that's a sign

so let me give everybody a little news flash the gloves are off to all of you no more mr nice guy oh wow what a shock that alex was super inspired by his white supremacist friend talking about how white people need to become berserkers that's totally a sign from god it's hard to believe that Alex has taken the gloves off now and that there's no more mr nice guy because he said that maybe a thousand times since we've started this show he's always finally going to tell it like it is with no filter and then the adrenaline slash booze wears off and it's back to distracting the audience

with something he saw on Twitter and selling pills. But from where I'm sitting, I say do it. Drop that filter and let it rip, baby. Alex is supposed to be the tip of the spear, but it turns out there's a little plastic nub over the tip, so no one pokes themselves on it. Let loose, Alex, berserk to your heart's delight.

Why not? That's what everybody wants from the... Right now, there's only two... There's only two things for Alex and Owen to do. There's the smart thing, fight loud and mean and make all the attention and make big noises and all that shit and make it really hurt, right? Or do anything else and fail. Yeah.

Yeah. Move on and diminishing returns. Yep. Or fight and also diminishing returns, but probably get a big boost. You'll get a big boost right away and then hopefully you can do something with that. I mean, obviously you can't, but you hopefully will be able to. That's what you have to do right. now. Yeah. So Alex declares

that it is time. He's going after everyone who fucks with him. I like that. If you thought Alex Jones was dangerous before, you've seen nothing. Because I only focus on the IMF, the World Bank, BlackRock, the globalist, the UN. But

all of you people, the thing you can sniper at me and attack me, because it makes you get some cred to be fired. You know what? You want to be attacked? You want to attack me? You're going to get it. and everybody likes that we'll make the whole show an entertainment broadcast as i vaporized because i'm true i'm real the evidence the facts are all there and i will no longer let lesser men

try to build their resume by claiming i'm a traitor when they're scumbag benedict arnold's pieces of shit want to be elitist arrogant scumbags i'm not arrogant i'm not arrogant i'm Hand bit of power trip. I'm in a total commitment against evil. I'm pouring out my guts, my soul, my family, everything I've got committed to this,

and I will not have pieces of fucking shit. Lie about me and say I'm not true. I will fucking destroy you, scobb. All of you. Fuck you. Okay. That's how you do it. That's how you do it.

Jordan's response was just shrugging. But that's how you. do it like this is what this is why listening to owen's thing is such is so stupid yeah like you've watched this your whole career yeah if you thought eventually this wasn't happening you're you're out of your mind yeah yeah you're on that we i hope i hope we can just be amical about what are you fucking talking about yeah the reason that owen had to do it that night was this so alex couldn't do this before he did right and then he ruined his opportunity to do it yep yep so i think that it's great when Alex is doing that voice

and the rant is getting all intense but it's always important to remember that he's also looking around the room to make sure he's positioned at the right camera. Right. This is performance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Pure and simple.

I'm shocked that we haven't immediately gone into a sales pitch by now. No, I think he's, he's, I don't know if he's drunk. Like, I'm still not fully committed to, like, this is indicative of him being drunk. I can see him being not drunk. Yeah. He definitely, his tone and his vibe has shifted.

And now he's just mad. He looks pissed. Yeah. Yeah. When he's looking at the right camera. Yeah. He looks real pissed. Nice.

So anyway, I guess everyone's going to get it. Sure. Does that include us? Who knows? Turns out, Alex is the best and smartest guy in the world. That is it not true. Well, I mean, he just said that Owen's on a power trip and he's not. Right.

But apparently he's just the best. And then he prays. Oh, God, no. Yeah, he prays for God to make him a weapon. And I told him. everyone two weeks ago, I'm leveling up. And it's scary. Because I'm a scary person.

I can out-think and out-maneuver all these people. And I just keep trying to get the general society to wake up and win. But I guess it does lie to me. I guess I am the smartest. I am the best. I am the fastest. Mm-hmm. The fastest?

The problem is. Probably fastest in the brain. Oh, yeah. Interlocking into this information is very frightening. So it must be done. So I will do it. I'll never watch another movie. I guess I have to become celibate because I can't get my energy up to sex.

It's a bit of strain on me because I'm a man. There is no more pleasure. There is no more pain. Sure. There is no more art. There is no more culture. There is only war. Okay.

And I commit myself to total war against Satan. And I ask God to lead God and erect me and commit me to his arms and a component of a complete vessel of warfare against this operation. And I repent for all my sins. And I ask now, before everyone, that you lift me up to be an absolute battering around against the enemy in God's will. The name of Jesus Christ, the son of God, amen. shall everybody be on notice? I'm on notice.

I've noticed something in you. I think that when I used to be religious, and I would go to church all the time, I would growl a lot after I prayed. It does tend to happen. Yeah, I just start to sound like a demon. I remember saying the Lord's prayer and being like, give us this day our daily bread,

and then at the end of it going, all right, everybody, who's fucking next? Yeah. I'm better and smarter and faster than all of you motherfuckers. Hold on. Hold on. I'm better and stronger faster than all the other. Lord, I submit myself to you. I am humble before you. All right. Amen. Fuck you, you fucking pieces of that. Hold on. Lord. Lord. I apologize. I'm committing a couple of the deadly sins.

I may have. And I'm going to do it again. Well, but only because I'm right to do it. And even though you said not to, I think you agree with me. I will be honest. I laughed so hard the first time I heard him say, there are no more movies. I will not watch. I will not watch any more movies.

And then as it happened again, I had forgotten. And I laughed anew. So, it's so great. That's such a ridiculous thing for him to say. I will not fuck. No more movies.

I do, but, oh man, the fuck in his second. First thought, there's no more movies. Yeah, I think maybe he says that he took his daughter to a movie. the day before, like right after Owen's phone call. Sure.

So maybe movies are on the brain. It's been a long time since he's had sex. Movies very close to present day. Who knows? No more art, no more pleasure, more pain. No more pleasure or pain. So we get towards the end of the show and Alex has deteriorated to the point where he is now

accusing Satan of taking over Owen because he could not be corrupted. That sounds right. Alex was too good to be corrupted. That sounds true. God, he just gets worse and worse by the minute. Does he? Every evil move he makes it.

But that's why getting close to me. Because, see, I didn't sell out. Because the devil can see where we were going. But you start getting in proximity to me. You're going to have some run-ins with some things. And if you're really not having Jesus in your heart, you can't stand against it. And when you fall to Satan, become an agent of Satan. but i'm in a war

and if you're called to fight tyranny you better have jesus because i'm not your priest i can't sit there and spiritually guide you i think you can all i can do is offer the truth only more like morphia says no more movies um so i think that he's orgasmed from the rage you know like he had the blow up and now this is This is Lepitimor. Yeah, this is him after that. And he should go home.

Yeah. He had his outburst. He doesn't need to stick around and talk about how he's so uncorruptible that the devil attacks those near him. God. It's just, go home. What an amazing. Sleep it off. What an amazing way to live your life of being like, people can't stand to be around me unless I monetarily reward them for it.

And then whenever I stop doing it, they're always really mean to me. And do you know why? It's probably because I'm a good person. Too good. Too good. Because Satan will need to attack me. It's the only thing that makes sense. I'm too good for Satan to attack directly.

He knows he can't do it. Obviously. He has to get the people around me to attack me for him because they're corruptible. Right. Oh. And I just want to remind you, we're not a cult here at Info Wars. Not at all. Nope.

So I think he should have gone home. I am hearing in the tone of your voice that he did not. Nope. He decides to stick around for the war room. Oh, God. And the first 15 minutes of the show are just him repeating the same complaints. That sounds about, right. Lasily about Owen before going to break. So here on his show, he co-s with Roger Stone, eight years ago, nine years ago,

here we are not putting up with it. And so he thinks he's going to give his publicity. I don't care whether this helps or hurts Owen. He has to know. that I'm on the toilet, and the crew's on the toilet, for him to cast as a bunch of sensors, we needed no such thing. We fully backed him. We took care of him.

We supported him. We raised him money. We got illegal defense, and he's shit all over us. Well, guess what? It's over. This moment contains a perfect encapsulation of the problem with Alex's response. He's on Owen's show the next day, doing a 15-minute rant about how Owen's a piece of shit to start the show. Alex can do that.

He controls the company and access to the airwaves. Owen does not. There was never a moment where it might be possible that Owen would just pop up hosting Alex's show on September 2nd, talking about how Alex sucks, because Alex owns everything. I get the barging into the American Journal to feel pumped up for the main show, and I get Alex doing all the shit he did on his show, but this feels needlessly petty. The fact that Owen isn't hosting the show is proof enough that Alex is in control. He doesn't need to host it.

himself and use that time to bash Owen. More than anything, this just makes Alex look childish and weak. And honestly, he feels like he ran out of steam. Yeah. Like this feels excessive and like a guy who's like just won't go home. Yeah. The move, if you're going to do that, the move is to skip your own show and just do Owen show. And then shit all over him for three straight hours.

Yeah. Nonstop. That's a choice. That's the pettiest, but also the most satisfying form of pettiness but this is this is not good no it that what you're describing would be a better kind of being a hater yeah and this this just feels like dumb you know me i'm i'm all for excellence in all things and that would be an excellent hatred move that's the way to do it so Alex is there with rob do you sure who's now going to be the fill in host so now rob do and Alex are on the war room

yeah and and Alex is like hey man do i ever censor people oh my god so I want to move on from Owen, but we were just talking to the crew. They said, no, for like four years he doesn't talk to us and acts really weird. So it's like his brain got replaced back then. We just put up with this crap. Dude, I know you're not a infighter, neither am I. But I am not going to sit here and be accused of censoring anti-Trump news and any of this stuff. I never told him, don't talk about Trump.

I never told him, don't talk about Israel. That is, I came in once when Nick Fortis is there was a joke and said, don't talk about Israel. but that was a joke, folks. Nick said that. It was a joke. But Rob, you're the news director here. Have you ever seen me? Because I hire people because I like them.

I like the debates and stuff. Have you ever seen a censor? No. You come in and you'll send stuff, you send stuff, but we all send stuff. You know, your text and stuff, hey, send this to the guys. It's just broke. And so I send it to the guys. Hey, play this video.

I don't, I don't care what Rob says, quite frankly, on air of Alex, like, hey, do I censor? Again, when would they? answer to that be yes. It is ridiculous. Also, just that, what are you doing? He's not going to bring an energy, right? Rob do is, oh, yeah. Rob do is here going like, you know, sometimes people leave companies. That's normal. Yeah. And honestly, what you're describing, it goes worse than you'd imagine. Like, he's a negative energy. That sounds right. To the equation. Yeah. Also, now the staff is saying that Owen sucked for four years.

It's so great of them to continue hyperbolicly exaggerating exactly when Alex wants them to. Yeah. That's so great. Yeah. And also that means that you paid him like half a million dollars in salary over that time to suck. Yeah. To teach him a lesson that he's not going to get what he wants out of you, which is to be fired. Yeah.

So he can be a victim. Exactly. Because that's what you really want. So Owen, he was like a demon on the phone when he was talking to Alex. Sure. And then they talk about his salary. I can't describe how predatory he sounded on the phone It was like talking to a demon

It was bad And I talked about 15 minutes I was just like I was like hey how do we make this right What have I done wrong I'm not going to talk about that I'm done But if you want to you know

Pay me more money And let me promote my new show I'll be with you I was like no no no There's no thanks to it I was like man God So we have these clips I want to move on from Owen

I have right here He has 1040s, all of it. You want to move on? He put this out since he's claimed he wasn't given a raise. He wants to fight this. We'll do it. He's got all those little lawyers, all lawsuits.

He loves to follow us, buddy. You know, we're really afraid of that. But he was given $80,000 in raises since 2020. For a total of almost $200,000 a year is his base pay, not to mention, in my way, I called you yesterday. You compiled it. You and Blake Rowdy with a charge. So tell me about the numbers here.

I don't have them in front of me, but... I'd rather not get into specifics right now. I would like very much to be no part of any of what you just did. Yeah. $200,000 a year. Fuck it, hell. It's too much. That is such the right amount of money for Owen to become completely delusional on

because it's not that much. It's really not that much. It's so much for him. so much for like what you like the value of your labor absolutely it's so much but you know you've i've seen people suddenly get way too much money too fast and it's like it's overwhelming but for him he's totally going to think he's the greatest because he's making this much money and it's hilarious to me it's perfect it's perfect so rob uh rob do he wants to stay classy of course he wants to keep a little bit above the you know the music man yeah he's a jazz man yeah he's a jazz man yeah he's

He's a drama major, but he doesn't like the drama. He doesn't like drama. But Alex is, he's mad about something Owen tweeted. Who behaves like this? I don't know if it's two and a half years ago. He wouldn't even talk to me. And I asked the crew, they said, yeah, he doesn't talk to us. I mean, it was just, I'm surprised we put up with this.

Yeah. Well, I like to remember the guy that stood up in Congress and shouted them down and that's, you know. Yeah, why do you think you put a video out this morning? Oh, I love Info Wars. It's been a great ride. What a nice, friendly guy if he did five hours, the millions of viewers saying we're censors.

Like I'm some whore that the pimp runs, and I don't forget he just, you know, metaphysically broke our jaw. Like, it's funny. Funny to him. So, I mean, I just have no idea. Yeah, I mean, look, this is what he posts. Put it back up there.

Look at this narcissistic bullshit. Oh, yeah, you wish the best for him for us. After you went on air and implied, we censored you on Israel and Trump and all the rest of it when it was all a lie. Rob clearly doesn't want to play this game. Of course not. No one wants to play this game. This is not a fun game for anyone. Oh.

Alex is the only one who wants this to be a game that everybody gets to play today, which, Proving why this is a horrible fucking workplace. Everybody has to go along with. Rob, sit next to me while I do this shit. Right? Rob, humiliate yourself on TV with me. Jesus Christ. Yeah, man.

So Alex is like, all right. I'm thinking about David Knight. I'm mad about him, too. Sure. I'm going to take some shots. Yeah. I'm going to complain about David Knight a bit. See if Rob wants to get in on this.

Yeah, why not? You know, David had that heart attack. Hey, about like $110,000 on top of his paycheck. he's gone six months he comes back he goes hire my other son I hired his other son we have a rule against nepotism but I do it

What about your son And again Different rule This is just all about settling accounts right now This is about I'm a villain I'm this master sensor But really what's happened is

They're trying to cast me in the crew As villains When we've done no such thing No one said anything about the crew And again you saw the interview His show he's like oh, I, he'd say, oh, God, I know Alex doesn't want me across the Trump, he'll lose his thing, oh, Israel, but later, oh, he didn't censor me, see how he makes it worse, because he knows

ours, oh, God, I, oh, none of that's true. And he's like, oh, later, oh, no, I didn't say that. So he can play victim. That's not right, Rob. But to me, the depression the point is this is the collapse of civilization because people sociopathically look at other humans as if they're just things to exploit that's why I'm at oh my god so let's go ahead that's not interested unreal that is unreal the response of just

Hmm. Hmm. That's crazy. That is a very uncomfortable man. That's as close to a just stone wall as you're going to get. God, that's fantastic. Alex, not doing the best job reading the room. But oh well.

Wow. Yeah. I don't know if he's drunk for sure, but this definitely has the energy of like a late night drunk. Yeah. If this wasn't a show that was going on at like three in the afternoon, then I would be pretty sure this is. a guy who's like, if it was three in the morning, this makes sense. Yeah. Then it's like, this guy is at the end of a long night.

I mean, I am, I am, what? I think Alex understands something in a way that all these other ding-dongs doesn't, don't, right? Which is that history is only important in the context of it allowing me or justifying what I'm doing now. History doesn't mean anything. happen. Meaningless. What matters is that what happened is what will make it okay for me to do what I'm about to do. Right? So all of this stuff, all of Owens, why would you, why would you make a We Wish Info Wars the best video? That's just more evidence in the, that's what happened in order to make it okay for me to scream that you're a fucking liar today. None of what you say is actually

meaningless, meaningful. None of it. Yeah. None of it. Yeah. Yeah, that's, but why, why, I mean, like, in a world with no continuity where nothing matters, then why not treat the past like that? Right, exactly. Everything is justification. Right. So if you're going into that world, why are you acting like if I make an Info Wars was actually cool video,

it's going to make any difference? Well, because I think that maybe you might have some misgivings about what you're actually involved in. Because I think it would be probably pretty hard to live in that space. Like, you know, looking in the mirror and recognizing like, I am the second banana for a lunatic narcissist, racist piece of shit. Sure. Who just wants to sell pills abusively to a captive audience that he's made scared of everything.

Right. Like, if you really had to recognize that, it would be really hard to know that you did that for 10 years. Some of the best years of your life. He was 26 when he started. Yeah. You know, like, that's got to hurt. Yeah. And you don't want to accept that.

And so instead, you're like, hey, look, we have differences of opinion. Right. He likes to do things this way. I like to do things this way. Let's move on. Insane. Yeah. Insane.

It's a coping mechanism for Owen. You didn't become the second banana to a lunatic because you actually had skill. No, he got there because he was, like, a bully. You were where you belong. He was a bully yelling at people at protests. And unfortunately, because he got a job. from that he grew up

during the time that he worked at Info Wars and during that time I would imagine he matured some like it's just natural as a part of getting older and I bet

Unless you're a psychopath like Alex sure but he's matured in some ways and the ways of like cheese matures you know like it's eastings but like

Owen went from like 26 to 36. Yeah. You know, in this time. And during that, I think he probably doesn't want to just be a guy who got a job at an abuse factory because he's a good abuser. Yeah. And unfortunately, there wasn't anything more than that.

This is going to be, like his life is going to be like coming out of a prison after you've done a dime. Like, that's what we're talking about. Ironically, more than him actually coming out of prison. Exactly. he has no idea how the real world works whatsoever and because of how all this is going down I really don't think that he's going to have as much of a cushion as he thought he was of course not because people are now going to be like well if I talk to Owen Alex is going to be really pissed off yep and if I want to engage with Alex's economy then I can't do that yep so he's

alienated this entire section of people yep unless he somehow makes peace with Alex which I don't know how he's going to do it at this point. No. No, because, well, I mean, he could. I'm sure if he... But he doesn't have anything to offer. Well, he has one thing to offer, which is that... Self-humiliation?

Alex will be able to step on him like a chair for the rest of his life. Yeah, okay. That is... That's valuable. That is valuable to Alex. Alex would really like to be able to use his face as toilet paper for a long time. Yeah, but that's the thing. For a long time.

Until he gets bored. Yeah. I don't know how much value. that has but that's about all owen's got that's all he's got so um you know there's a lot of people have a lot of ideas about what alex did and didn't do and censoring and all this stuff but have you considered that alex talking shit about his employees on his own show is free speech and so again this is just the classic and he's like oh no he never censored me on that no he's just like i understand why alice is upset i'm bashing trump no i simply said on air to him we're

upset about Trump we want to get him right but I think it's a part of a debate you know what shows do that we should support the good he's doing like Kennedy wrecking Bill Gates right now and attacked the bad that wasn't a censorship of Owen that was me I'm allowed to have free speech I'm allowed to have my views that's what David Knight would say in the crew he's like I heard Joe's today disagree with me I wasn't watching the show but he'd hear me say something he didn't like he thought it was about him so you have to understand me talking about what I believe me giving my views there's different

than that censorship. Ah. I thought a lot of Alex's defenses that he's offered so far are pretty stupid but this is another level. He thinks that David Knight

and Owen Schroyer are trying to suppress his free speech to disagree with them on his show. That's remarkable. If Owen says Trump sucks and is disappointing,

then disagreeing with that statement would involve Alex saying that Trump is doing some good and we should celebrate those victories. That would represent a difference of opinion. That's not.

the same thing as Alex going on his show and saying that Owen is too negative. That's Alex critiquing Owen. And maybe it's rooted in a disagreement over the underlying issue, but it's taking that disagreement and making it personal. I'm sure Owen did the same thing on his show and said that Alex was too optimistic about Trump, which isn't professional either, but Owen isn't Alex's boss. Like you can't, you can't disentangle that from this equation. No.

You're his boss and you're going on air and just. shitting on him. Yeah. That's not like, sure, you have the free speech to do that, but you're abusing your work relationship. So with work relationships, you know, like sexual relationships, one of the biggest things, power imbalance makes it very, very difficult to extract the, you know, and maybe impossible, right? Somehow this is worse than that.

The power imbalance and the abuse are somehow both so weirdly tied up in what I think might be sexual ways that not consummated by the two of them i don't i don't know if it's worse or better or how to rate any of that but it's certainly really messy at least as messy and part of it is because it involves the feelings of the audience yeah like they are they are turning each other against each other in some weird parisocial game and it it's like this is you guys can't do this shit like even beyond the horrible content and like racist shit and all that like you can't operate this way is it i'll tell you what you you can't do it if you're going to be america's anchor man that's for sure that is not this is not the first the first page of the american anchorman's

autobiography does not begin with so alex was screaming about oh i'm a handbiter yeah and then he ran out of steam and hosted my show lazily so um look owen he is america's newsman yeah he's america's anchor man yep but he's also fucking coward he's afraid of alex And he runs on air. God, I quit, but he's censoring me. I wanted to shake his hand. He doesn't want to shake my hand. He's a coward. The guy hates me so much he shakes around me. I should have known. I mean, I knew it years ago. I was like, dude, this guy acts like a, like he literally acts like the lawyers that have sued me in person. Like he just goes, when he gets wrong, he's just, oh, oh, I was like, I mean, I don't know what Owen's problem is, man, but he's just, he's got problems. Thanks, Rob.

So I'm not going to sit here and be his woman boy. I'm going to play his villain. Okay, man. Yep. Rob just letting it. I love. Rob is crushing it today. Yeah, he's as good as I've ever heard of.

So I think at this point, it's malpractice for Alex to have not watched Owen's stream. Right. I understand he's mostly been on air complaining. Sure. throughout this time and how would you fit five hours in impossible but at that point you kind of have to be like it's kind of embarrassing that you're doing all this without having watched any like the whole thing yeah and i'm gonna let you take over mike adams is coming up but i wanted to come in here today and just get it on record the attempts that went on the exploitation that went on the attempts to claim we were censors

and did things we didn't do and frame us as villains uh that were engaged in all this activity it's just It's just outrageous. And, you know, watching part of the show, Owen did five hours of it, I was sent clips too. It was just absolutely horrible. All Couch, well, you know, I know he doesn't want me attacking Trump, so I'm leaving.

Never told him that. Like, it's just, like, meant to literally play victim as a PR stunt. So he's probably very happy. He's probably sitting there with his turtle. And his daughter, you know, here in South Austin, just sitting there and like, oh, boy, I got publicity. Yeah, you're going to get publicity. Blooming, man, is your Benedict Arnold.

So, Turtle shout out, first of all. I love that. Second, I don't think Owen has a daughter. I was going to say. If he does, then it's private, and I don't think that's a public thing, and Alex might be saying something pretty inappropriate here, putting

someone's family business where it doesn't belong, or maybe Alex misspoke. I have no idea, but I don't know Owen to have a kid. Yeah, I mean, if considering the level of what we're allowed to talk about on Info Wars

at least some point you'd think that he would have let slip that he is doing something for his daughter or he's doing something because he has a daughter or this is not okay yada yada I'm aware of women existing

you know any number of those things but he's never brought it up so far as I know of and granted I will admit that I'm not the world's foremost Owen Troyer scholar sure so if he has brought it up then that's one thing but I'm not aware of that. And I haven't heard him ever talk about a kid.

Then if he hasn't brought it up, he's done it on purpose. I know, like, Chase Geiser brings up his kids. Right. Harrison brings up his kids. Right. Alex talks about his kids. Right. Like, I know all of them to have families because they have talked about them.

Yep. I have not heard Owen. Anyway. Yep. Rob, he is a little critical of some things. And this is about as close as he gets to, like, really playing ball with Alex. Okay. I, too, think it's funny that.

he said he's going to do three hours of news when he would come in here and I think every show for the last month was bitching about, you know, the bills and the standard of living and people can't afford houses, you know. And here's what I, here's my, uh, come back to that. Um, the, the thing, the environment has changed. All right? Everybody's carrying around supercomputers. Okay. Everything's moving faster. You know, when we used to have to wait to go watch a movie at the movie theater now you can just snap your fingers and get a thousand movies at the tip so it's a different world you have to learn how to live differently in that world and the fact that you're younger i think is even is even easier you can you've you've lived in this technological world

from from more of your beginning than having to like adapt to it after you've learned how to read a map for instance you know there's a lot more advantages i think to uh to the people who were born earlier. And that's not a problem. You have to learn how to live differently. You have to share your ideas and not be, you know, but if you're going to be negative all the time, the negativity's going to come to you. I just wake up and this guy won't talk to me for years and I'm this villain censoring him. And I'm like, dude, I ain't the villain. Fuck you. Like, what the fuck is your problem, dude? What the, like, I'm a villain, the cruise villains? We don't deserve this, man. Okay. Go to bed. I think he's doing great. Yeah. If this

is where Rob is coming from, he's fucked with capturing any younger audience. Owen complaining about homes being too expensive is exactly the kind of thing that will appeal to listeners under 50 because it's a reality that they're dealing with. They'll hear someone like Rob say that they should just calm down because they have an iPhone and immediately tune out because this guy is so out of touch with their real needs. It's a simple question of you like the hierarchy of needs. An iPhone and all that supercomputer stuff is nice, but it's not an essential building block of life. Shelter is. If shelter is

unaffordable, it doesn't matter how cool the kids' phones are these days, they're being set up to not be able to create a stable life. Plus, this whole network was screaming their asses off about inflation being the biggest problem in the world and how Biden was making eggs too expensive in order to push Trump in the last election. So it seems a little dissonant for Rob to just be blunt like this and his hostility toward people not being able to afford the basic things that they need to survive. Yeah. This is a shitty take for him to have and it actually makes owen look better yeah i that's why i enjoyed it i really think that at the end of it he went as about as far away from being angry or unhappy with owen

and more like you know here's some things that you should take with you on your way kids can't afford anything now but they have it good right awesome things change old asshole fair enough all right but i like that alex too is just like i'm not even going to address that that shouldn't yeah I'm just going to complain about how I don't deserve to be treated like this. No, we all agree. There is nothing to say back to Rob do on that one. Rob, that was in a vacuum. Yeah.

Yeah. So Rob wants to talk about the news and he wants to talk about D's news. Sure. He wants to talk about the vaccines and all this stuff. And Alex will not stop bringing it back to Owen. But the Grace Act aims to restore religious exemptions to student vaccination requirements in all 50 states. Right now, I think West Virginia, you have. you have to get the vaccines there's no and there's it's west virginia in one other state

where you have to get every vaccine and kennedy's going after him right but imagine knowing like he took past behavior i was trying to be nice to him you think he thought he would get this response no i don't i don't think he was going to that especially if you listened to your rant and i think the third hour i don't think he expected that oh what i said that oh you went you did a say goodnight to the bad man but like a hundred times better than what that was it was a good ran i don't know if you guys have it you guys probably don't have it but that was i only take betrayals you so much yeah yeah i mean we did nothing to him but kiss his ass and that actually we created the monster yeah we created this prima donna narcissistic monsters well he did do some good

things well i challenge but it's how it's how i challenge i challenge owen to come down on the show tomorrow at high noon and debate me live on air let's see if he'll do it oh Oh, debate me, you coward. Debate you about what? You're going to scream about how I'm a traitor. Debate me about a hug. I am not going to debate you about anything. It is going to be one-sided screaming about all the ways I've ever failed.

You, fictional or non? I'd like to debate you about hugging. I take the affirmative. I don't think I'm going to do that anymore. Not after this conversation. Yeah, this is so sad. There is also, I could have cut out more long pauses where do doesn't respond. They're delightful.

And there was one even where Alex just says something, there's nothing. Yeah. And then Rob's like, am I supposed to take over? Just because it's, I don't want to do this. I am not here for, I want to host the war room. I don't want to get in the mud with you assholes. I'm tired of old. The kids have smartphones.

Kids have computers. You never know. you got to adapt to the way things change. So after the first hour, Alex taps out and he leaves the war room. Smart. And I guess probably takes a nap. I mean, based on the way he was speaking in those last few clips, his choice was not involved in the nap that occurred. Yeah.

I don't, I still, maybe it's just because, you know, we've had a period of sobriety that I'm not used to whatever these rhythms are and stuff. Right, right. But it feels to me like that felt well. too fast for an extreme amount of drinking to peak and then hit this valley. Yeah. It feels just like a guy who got really amped up on his adrenaline and his anger. And then now he's in the refractory period. And it's just like, ugh, I got no energy left.

I spent all of it on the berserker thing. It's possible. Yeah. It's possible. But the man has been betrayed. He can only take so much of that. And when a man has been betrayed, there are some things that are necessary. and one of those is oftentimes a stiff drink.

Snitches get stitches and whiskey switches. I don't know. Sure. I'll take it. Yeah. So we'll see if high noon comes around and the gunslingers show up for a debate. They don't. But we'll see if this is the end of their drama and see if Owen responds. That would be nice.

And if not, we'll see if we can move on to some other topic. But I'm glad that we got to enjoy this before your vacation. Yeah. I hope you have a good time and you reflect on biting hands. Yeah, I'm not a handbiter. No. Of all the things that I am, handbiter is not one of them. I have many criticisms and that is not on the list.

Absolutely. No, no, no. I deserve most of them. But if you call me a handbite, that's the only thing that I take personally. This is a man who bites no hands. Oh, shit. I just put my own hand. You've, you've, if you've recorded that, all right, I want people to know that you bit your own hand.

Do you bite your thumb at me, sir? Isn't that from Romeo and Juliet? Anyway, we'll be back with another episode, but until then, we have websites. Indeed, we do. It's knowledge right.com. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm DZX. Clark. I am the mysterious professor.

Who, yeah, woo, yeah, woo. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.