Knowledge Fight - 1093 November 8 2025

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

In this installment, Dan continues the quest to uncover Jordan's super powers by subjecting him to an interview between Alex and a British sex creep.

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back, Knowledge Friday. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Jordan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy? Well, my bright spot originally was going to be how all good things come to an end. Sure. And the new episode, the next episode of McGiver is no good.

No good. It was a boring. Just as a friend who's doing wild. at drilling. Sure. Ends up blowing up his oil rig, so they have to go and get TNT to blow it up to put out the fire. Yeah, okay. I do like that they call themselves hellfighters, like instead of firefighters.

Sure, sure, sure. That's fun. Escalation is nice, yeah. Yeah, but the episode stunk. It was real boring. Yeah. How many smooches? Oil rig smooches?

Here's the thing. None, I think. None you think. I did really stop paying attention in the last. last about five minutes of the episode. Right. So it's possible that he ends up smooching the lady whose husband he's helping. Sure.

Like if she dies, he might have died at the end of the episode. Right, right. I just wasn't paying attention. They just move on together. Yeah, yeah. There's just too boring to even care about smooches. Brutal. But thankfully, you showed up and z-y-up in the mailbag.

What do we find? But a nice coat from George. I mean, it's... George. It's an amazing coat. Fucking asshole sending me a coat. Here's the thing It was, we were all teed up

To be like, of course you can't just send somebody a coat You don't know your size You don't know what's going on I've got a weird body Yeah absolutely This is all, we were all set up to be like Please don't send any more codes It was funny as a bit

This would fucking work It's a very strange thing that happened That it fits very nicely And it looks good It looks great on you It looks so good on you So anyway George, thank you Yeah George, you

fucking nailed it, buddy. You had no idea how good you did. Kind of hoping for another six months or so of Dan get a coat. Will they won't? They kind of tension, but I'll take a coat. No, this is a marriage right here. We're going to see you in this coat for 10 years. It's possible. So thank you. That's very nice. Yeah, absolutely. What's your bright spot? My bright spot is this show, Physical Asia. If you recall, do you remember Physical 100? No. Okay. Well, the Koreans know how to make.

competition reality shows where super ripped hot people do competitions with each other to see who's the biggest, right? And so they're physical. Yeah, they up to their game from just the 100 most ripped Korean people to a bunch of teams from all around Asia. And then Australia also has a team. Okay. And it's great.

It's fantastic. What sort of contests are they doing? You know, just like lifting weights, doing sit-ups and shit. You know, it's like just general fitnessy stuff. It's a strongman type competition. It's like throwing a boulder over your head. Not fully. There is some of that, but it's more geared towards the fitness aspect.

So like endurance. There's some agility. Absolutely. Yeah. The quick people have their advantages. The thin people have their advantages. But then there's something that's extremely unfair, which is that Australia has the world's strongest man on their team.

Hmm. Which I think is unfair. You can't have the world's strongest. man. Yeah, I mean, if that's what the competition is about, it kind of decides things in advance, doesn't it? I mean, in any contest of strength, you got to feel like maybe the guy who's the number one strong man is going to win it.

Are you talking about Mark Henry? Are you talking about sexual chocolate? No, although I recall those days. Didn't he go up against Magnus Magnuson or those guys? I don't think so. He was a pro wrestler. He was in the nation of domination. Oh, no, I was thinking about a different guy.

Yeah. Yeah. No, he was partnered with DeLo Brown for a long time. All right. That sounds fun. Fun wrestler. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're enjoying the show.

It's great. One of the best things is that the first episode is just introducing all of the teams from all the different countries. It's so exciting. It's like the start of Mortal Kombat. You're like, oh, shit. These people are coming out with their flags and shit. It's fantastic.

Do they have, like, team themes? Absolutely. But not like the warriors. Well, not just like the flag or not like the war. No, no, no, no, we're the baseball bat Indonesians. No, no, not quite that. I wish. But there's definitely like cultural, like we're clearly from this kind of culture and this is how we represent in this kind of.

It's great. It's fantastic. Nice. Yeah. I'll give it a twist. Now that I'm, my mouth is all soured on McGiver. Can't do it. I'll give him another shot.

All right. So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. All right. It is not the world's strongest episode, but it's something. And we'll get down to it here in a second. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first shout out to Kissing Kit with the Fresh Fit Crit.

Thank you so much. You're an Iowa policy walk. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Thank you. And my other car is a gambling addiction. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa policy walk.

I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Thank you. And Huey Neuis and the Luz. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa policy walk. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much.

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Passenger Princess DeVena. You're the greatest thing since spreading the thighs of Americana. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark, binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you very much.

So, Jordan, I think that there's been a number of goals we've had doing this show. Sure. There's been a let's understand Alex Jones better. Sure. Let's find out what he believes. Right. And then I think lately there's been one goal that is taken over my mind. Let's steal his watches?

No. That is a nice little side thing. We need to get you superpowers. Yeah. Oh, fuck me. Oh, is this one going to be a bad one? Well, see, we've listened to a bit of Tucker, Tucker Carlson. Sure.

And we've theorized that there is a point at which you will grow so frustrated by listening to something. I'll deadpull it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It will be your weapon X moment. Right. Right. Program.

I can't remember that guy's name still. It's my favorite X-File was Logan. That's right. Yeah, absolutely. So it didn't work. We listened to it. a fair amount of Tucker's show. And no powers manifested.

Nope. And so I thought, like, well, obviously that means you don't have any superpowers. That's nothing here. Yeah. But then I realized we have to change the variable a little bit. Okay. Maybe Tucker is not the frequency that's going to frustrate you enough to get those superpowers act.

Okay. So we're talking about tuning into the correct frequency of tone to allow me to like explode with a hulkness. Right. Okay. Well, I mean, It's worth exploring. Absolutely.

Why not? So here's a little out of context drop from today's show. All right. We're trying to crash your comedy right now. We're trying to crash the stock market. Is that what's happening? Oh, yeah. It's bad.

Oh, yeah, it's bad. You, motherfucker. You are joking. God damn. On November 8th, Russell Brand dropped by to have a little chat with Alex. And we'll see. I think that there's a chance that he's annoying enough. You know how much I hate him.

You know how much I hate him. I think a lot of people that have quite a bit of hate for him. Rightfully so. He sucks. But I was drawn to this mostly out of the urge to see if we could get you superpowers. Sure. But then also just because, you know, who cares what Alex thinks is kind of fucking stupid. Yeah.

You know what I love. Try a little change flavor. I love when Russell Brand just is allowed to keep talking. Just keeps going. You know what? Then you'll actually like this a bit because Alex interrupt him constantly. That's great. I'm happy. Now I'm happy. Finally, we have something in common. Keep this man from talking too much.

Yeah, yeah. It's a real push and pull. So we're going to start off here with Alex introducing the interview and breaking some big news. Okay. Here you are for the next hour, 30 minutes or so, however long you want to stay. And I'm talking about planets aligning, though. We had this set up a week or a couple weeks ago for you to come in on this Saturday. And then all hell broke loose yesterday and now even Thomas Massey, seen the documents, I know the congressional stuff, I know the DOJ inside baseball, the DOJ under pressure from Cash Patel and others, and Pam Bondi is holding off on this.

People are giving Ed Martin the credit. He's like, don't give me the credit, but I can tell you, he officially's been looking at this. They knew this a long time ago, we knew this. A Capitol police officer with another group connected to Pelosi, who's actually CIA, that's confirmed, with the fake pipe bombs and all that they were planning a false flag against Kamala Harris, they had to go to an office building where this bomb got planted outside.

We knew this right when it happened four and a half, five years ago, but now it's come out. Thomas Massey, America's waking up today to learn the Capitol Police turned CIA orchestrated. This is Thomas Massey, one of the most trust people in America. The pipe bomb, again, America is waiting up today to learn. The Capitol Police turned CIA orchestrated the pipe bombs on January 6, and the FBI has covered it up for over four years. I questioned FBI director Ray, ATF director, Dattlebach,

and FBI assistant director. And now they're questioning why is Cash Patel sat on this for 10 months? They know all this. They have the geolocation off of her cell phone. Private groups were able to get it. They claimed it was corrupted. They couldn't, but they proved it. They also got the cameras ran it through the programs that do the biometric gate.

And now she's at the CIA. This is so huge. You've got your guest here and you're just talking for a minute and a half. Yep. Just full on. I'm going to introduce you. I've got something completely separate. to say unrelated to you entirely.

Yeah. So you might notice that Alex seems pretty careful not to say the person's name, who he's claiming has been proven to be the J6 pipe bomber. Feels strange. He's making up a mountain of evidence against this person, and he absolutely knows that what he's doing is defamatory. So he's trying to hedge his bets by not saying a name. There's been a theory flying around dipship media

about how the person who planted the bombs was a former capital police officer who went on to work for the CIA. Okay. This all goes back to an article published on Glenn Beck's site The Blaze, which reported that, quote, a forensic analysis of a female former U.S. Capitol Police officer's gate is a 94 to 98% match to the unique stride of the long-sought January 6th pipe bomb suspect. I'm going to, I'm sorry.

Can I just go back to it? So I initially heard gate, G-A-T-E, because in no way would you ever think to say that the way that this person walks is so close to the way that this other person walks, they must be the same person. Her giddy up is... That would be insane. Right in line. That would be crazy. So that article goes on to name the Capitol Police officer who would currently own the blaze in a sane media ecosystem. Right. She should be suing the shit out of these people. It would make sense. That article relies on a bunch of expert law enforcement analysts.

They know what they're talking about. Well, like Alex's regular guest, Kyle Serafin. Great. Great. It's really just a big pile of shit. Yeah. There's no evidence presented to accuse this person other than this gate analysis, which is interesting science, but it's not good enough. People do have distinctive walks, and people have found when they've looked into this, it is pretty hard to, like, directly impersonate someone's walk. Sure. So there is a fingerprinty kind of nature to it.

Sure. And there have been algorithms that have been tested to identify people that way, but it's not as simple as just, like, plugging in a few videos of someone and saying, looks like a 95% match. I read a paper from 2024 on a promising gate recognition software, and they were able to get about 96.7% accuracy rate. But that was in a context of like a controlled environmental setting for the experiment, and they needed to use sensors to get the baseline of the gate in order to match this.

This is sloppy shit by the blaze. So you're saying that this program couldn't suddenly identify each individual out of the 300-odd million people that live in the United States based on their walk? No. It's not as crazy a premise. Sure. Like, you could, we could end up in a world in the future where people are identified by walks. Right.

Like, there is a possibility of that. Sure, sure, sure. But the way, the methodology of how they did this is really dumb. Right, yeah. And it's also probably worth noting that the author of this article who was working for the blaze, Steve Baker, he was arrested for participating in the January 6th riots. and he pled guilty to multiple misdemeanors, which were ultimately pardoned by Trump.

Sure. It's shitty work by being done by someone who has a very clear conflict of interests, and these people, who, man. So the theory is this Capitol Police officer walked, very important, to plant a pipe bomb. Two of them.

Two of them, to blow up Kamala Harris' human. RNC and DNC. Right, right, right. And then quit the campaign. Capitol Police and then got a job at the CIA. Well, no, the theory would be that she was doing it under the auspices of the CIA to begin with. Right. Right.

And, like, this was part of her, like, you do this, you're in. Right, right, right, right. But that would be crazy to then give her a job at the CIA. Right? Well, I mean, I think the CIA is crazy. I mean, at the very least to announce that we've given her a job would be an insane, like to directly reward somebody for potential terrorism? You really think you'd kill them.

I mean, that's the only, why don't people just? Just kill people in these funny stories. Yeah. That's the only way to make sense. It's an insane loose end. Yeah. To just leave hanging. And something that the Blaze could figure out by looking at someone's walk.

You wouldn't want to leave that to chance. Kind of dumb. Like you're in the cubicles with all the other CIA agents all just on your phones like trying to investigate and somebody goes, ah, shit. The Blaze saw you walk. You fucked. The Blaze found. a video of you playing soccer.

You're fucked. You're done. Oh my God, you were a pimp in the 90s. They know how you walk. Cyanide capsule. So Russell comes in and he's obviously very excited to be there and thinks that this is hallowed ground.

I'm really grateful to be here with you. It kind of feels like a pilgrimage to be in this hallowed and sacred space with you, Alex Jones, a man so extraordinary that I think initially people didn't know how to categorize you.

Now I do. Since coming to Christ, I've understood what your role is in the culture, that you are an early prophesier. And, you know, you know who prophesies, Alex. You know who does that work. And I suppose because we live in such an extraordinary, ultra-rational but super-dum culture, people don't know how to understand someone

that communicates like you, that sees the future, that speaks with passion, that isn't perfect because your flesh but you are a real great man. All right, so let's just accept that Alex is a prophet. Sure. Write a new book to add to the Bible, you fucking cowards. Right.

If this is truly hallowed ground at Alex's supplement commercial studio and Alex has the kind of importance that the world hasn't seen in generations, then write a new book and demand Christianity adopt it. How can the Bible possibly be complete if there's no mention of Trump or the evils of Fauci and the nefarious COVID plot? Mm-hmm. If we're being asked to take any of this religious pomposity, Seriously.

Then these guys need to write a new, new testament. And it's time for them to get real about who they really are and what they're doing. They're trying to take over a religion. So fucking do it already. Yep. Yeah, I mean, I strongly resent the idea of somebody calling the culture dumb inside that Cadbury cream egg of bullshit that he just spun around it. You can't call Alex Jones fucking prophet and then be like, and this culture's so dumb.

You're a God-given talent, my friend. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Fucking insane. It's, um, it feels bad. I think for both of them. I don't, I think that they both don't respect each other. Right.

In any way. Yeah, this is, this is a, uh, an offensive opening. I mean, if you, Alex would never know this. But, uh, this is a British person making fun of you, right? Maybe. I mean, we'll see, we'll see as it goes along if you get any other clues. of that sort of gentlemanly. I get the sense that we're going to hear a lot of three examples of things over and over and over again today.

Maybe. So, Katie Perry used to marry. Yes. They used to be married. Her and Russell Braff. Katie Perry was married. It's like, why are we going to close this? And Alex knew her dad.

And he was like a big Christian guy and she was in Christian music. originally. Right. Makes sense. And so apparently this guy, he once told Alex that Katie Perry was going towards the devil. I've followed you very closely and have loved your work. But some people say, oh, he just now had this conversion of Christianity a few years ago. And I happened to be at the same island years later in Florida, Boko Grande where it actually happened. I talked magically to the old man in the locals that saw what happened. I don't even know I know this story, but you kind of had a soul on the road to Damascus moment, but you were already seeking. But I remember 12, 14 years ago, whenever it was, you were leaving, you know, Katie Perry.

Keep talking about Katie Perry. The other reason I raise it is. Because of Justin Trudeau. Is that why you're bringing it out? No, no, who cares about it? I agree. But I remember her dad on saying, no, no, they were listening to your show. Russell was waking up.

She wasn't. He was saying you were being good. She was with the devil. Yeah, man. That sounds like something a dad would do. Yep. That makes sense. So if you're Russell Brad, just imagine this for a second.

You used to be married to this woman. That was your father-in-law. Yep. You probably know the guy pretty well. You would hope. Yeah. And here's Alex being like, yeah, he was telling me back then that your daughter, his daughter was of the devil. You have to think this guy's a fucking idiot.

I mean, or at the very least, that's a rude thing to say. Quite rude. Quite rude. At the very least, you're a very rude person, Alex. Unless it's like public. knowledge that like Russell hates Katie Perry's dad. Right.

And then maybe it's not as rude. It's still a little rude. It's such a weird story to make up. Right. So that would take me a back right out the gate of just being like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Katie Perry went to the devil? And that's just after Alex saying like, I magically talk to the old man who was there

when you came to Christ. Yeah, that was weird. What the fuck are you talking about? We've got a lot of magical red. in the episode. Yeah. We're starting off real magical. And Alex is also trying to be like, I know a lot.

Like, I know the old man from the, like, I know Katie Perry's dad. Listen, I was there whenever you talked to Bagger Vance. I know what's up. You're getting visited. Yeah. Yeah. So if I had to give like a sort of thesis for what I think these people want, it's not to be held responsible for things.

Sure. And they want a theocracy. That sounds right. Well, if you think about it, Church of England, it suggests that it's somehow inferior to England in the running order, Church of England. It's beneath England. And I think probably I really would love to know your foreseen this, Alex. I feel that this revival that we're participating that's unfolding before us

might be a reinstating of Christ to his right position on the throne. That nation, while nation is important, is nation under God, not nation that deploys and utilizes God for its own age. Well, I totally agree. And I want to get to that. I'm talking about you. All right. Because, because.

Thank God. How long is it going to be before we get to talk about me, Alex? So I get that Russell is a silly goose and Alex is a fun idiot, but these ideas aren't interesting, new or fun. They just want a theocracy. There are two versions of placing God on the throne that you can advocate for. One is fine and the other is theocracy. And it feels like Russell's the type of fellow who likes to advocate for one while pretending

he's interested in the other. Like if you in your personal life view God as a higher authority, then the state, sure. Good for you. Yeah. This will become a problem if you bomb an abortion clinic.

It will be. But up until the points where you break the law, right. We don't care. As long as you leave everybody alone, you can believe whatever fucking shit you want. Our culture is basically designed around accommodating that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. Great. Yeah. There are demons? Great. That's fine. Go to work.

If you want God to be on a throne that I have to answer to, this is where we're going to run into some issues. Right, right, right. Who gave you the, Who gave you that power? God did. Not to me.

We didn't talk. He didn't tell me any of this shit. My friend, this is going to get circular. This is not going to be good for me, is it? No. You got a lot of people and a lot more guns. Yeah. So Russell, I don't know if you know this, is facing charges of rape and sexual assaults.

From which decade over the past four that I have been aware of him? Maybe a few. I'm not sure on all the dates of everything. But, yeah, he's facing a trial. Yeah. Good. And that makes it a little uncomfortable when Alex starts talking quite a bit about what a womanizer he was. And how women would throw panties at him and calls him a lady slayer.

Come on this. No, no, but your story is for everybody because I can look in your eyes and I have Holy Spirit a sermon. And I see your works, bring people to Christ. A lot of people say, oh, this guy was, you know, and by the way, I'm not as big a, you know, lady slayer as this guy, but I was no slouch. The point is the whole Bible in history Don't call it a lady slayer When I've got to face a rape trial

You know what I mean Hilarious There were no slayings Not Juanish seduction Charm Eloquence, elegance All things are love Alex Man, they're turning frogs gay

I was on the way here earlier A frog It touched me on the ass Now it was consensual I'm not saying it's not consensual I'm not having it anymore That feels like panic Yeah what are we doing with that one buddy

So you get a pretty clear sense that Russell doesn't take the allegations against him very seriously and doesn't have much respect for the conversation around it. This checks out, given that earlier this year he showed up to plead not guilty to the charges wearing a coat and vest with no undershirt. Cool. It's an interesting situation that he's gotten himself into where he needs to pretend to be this vessel of light and subscribe to this transcendent Christianity, but he also can't give an inch of compassion or decency on this front without the audience he's pandered to thinking he's a wuss. Of all the side characters that come up around Alex, Russell's the one that feels least in control of his own brand. Underneath the fast talking and bullshit new agey speak, it feels like he knows that he's only one or two wrong moves away from alienating the last audience

that he's ever going to be able to attract. Yeah. He feels like a guy who's desperately trying to convince himself this isn't the bottom of the barrel while sitting deep in an empty barrel with Alex. This is the bottom of the barrel. doing a bad Alex impression with no joke to it. I mean, that was, that was genuine. Talk about my rape trial.

Yeah, you were supposed to be a comic at one point, right? You should at least have some chops. And instead, this is just panic screaming because, hey, don't talk about how I fucking am a rapist. Don't call me a lady slayer. Don't call me a rapist. So they jump off this subject, naturally, and get onto the story of the old man

who Alex magically talked to. I would like this story. I would like this old man story. Unfortunately, it might not be true. And then I'm going out to Tucker's show like eight months ago in Boko Grande. And I get dropped up by the drivers as to pick me up at the airport 50 miles away. And I just walk in where I'm up with this little hotel. And this old man comes up and he says, you know, Russell Brand.

He goes, oh, Alex, I love you, blah, blah, blah. I'm a Catholic, blah, blah. Let me give you a rosary thing and all this. He goes, you know, I was here a few years ago when he had his conversion, and he was not having a breakdown, like a spiritual experience out in the water in his clothes. And I just felt led by God to go to him and talked to him about Christ and God. And then he accepted Christ right there. I don't think the old man was lying.

I don't even anybody knows the story. Maybe it was made up. But then I talked to locals and I talked to Tucker, and he'd heard about it from them that actually happened. So was that a true story? I don't remember being in the water in my clothes, but it's the sort of thing I might have done. Okay. So in religious circles, what Alex is doing is super rude. Yeah.

Your conversion to Christ is your story. It's your testimony of how the Lord moved in you, and it is deeply personal. It's something that's happening inside you. So for Alex to tell this story without Russell's consent, not knowing if it's even true, is really offensive. Alex is creating this very standard seeing the light type of scene for Russell to sign off on. And by doing so, he's putting Russell in the position of having to adopt this as the moment that he found God, or to say that this guy Alex was talking to was full of shit. Yep, not a good position.

If he chooses the first one, then Alex is now dictating his relationship with God. If he chooses the second, it seriously calls into question how easily Alex will just believe random gossip. There's no good response for Russell to what Alex is doing, but the choice he makes is actually a third worst path. The moment you accept Christ into your heart is supposed to be the most important moment of your life. So the way that Russell says, well, it sounds like something I might do is kind of trivializing the divine.

I mean, let's be honest. I've accepted Christ into my heart pretty much at the beginning of every rape trial. So I don't know if you know me. I'm a lady slayer. I'm a little crazy. It might have been out there in the water talking to this old man for a couple hours and finding God. You know, it happens all the time. It's just one of the easiest things to do in terms of like the slight of hand of being like, yeah, an old man told me the story.

You tell me the story. and then you just confirmed that the old man said that, right? That's just the quick slide of hand. I know I saw it coming. You tell the story because it's your personal story, and then we can all share in this. But also I'm a genius. I knew it in advance.

Yeah. If Alex had just let Russell tell his story, he could add details and, like, association himself instead of what is very uncomfortable and not a cool thing to do to somebody. I met a stranger, and they told me they helped you find God. That sounded true to me. So I believed it.

About this old man who saved your soul. And now you're here, and I'm telling it to you. Weird. Wild. So, Alex, he's stuck on this old man. Because, of course, he's not fixate on the worst thing. Russell's just, shut up about the old man. So did you have your main conversion on Bougaranda or something?

What happened was is, look, I can understand why people would be cynical about anything. Look at the world that we occupy. What information can you trust? The old man said you were, he, he, started talking to free Mallory. The old man. I'm saying about the old man. Like this old man, I don't know about this old man,

but what I can tell you is my, coming to Christ for me was like the inevitable discovery of someone that has always been there, always been there present. And initially, Alex, the reason as I said that was... Like discovering yourself. Yeah, because it's the deep truth within you. Like, all of us are familiar with a second voice in our head

that sometimes self-condemnatory, that tells you're not good enough, that you're worthless. many of us are trapped at a constant inner dialogue with kind of aspects of... That's why Satan's called the accuser. Well, I wonder if it's demonic. I do. The devil tells you're not... No, it is.

I hear you, man. I hear you, man. Hey, buddy. I want to say that it's normal to have varying degrees of internal dialogue in your head. It's not demons, it's thoughts. Sometimes these thoughts follow an intentional path, and sometimes you have stray thoughts, but neither is a demon. When we experience higher levels of stress or life-sacetting,

It can be easy to feel like you're having more thoughts that are negative and that you're not in control of them. It's hard, but therapy can really help on that front. We all learn lessons in life that we don't realize we're learning, and sometimes they're wrong. We learn the wrong lesson. Like maybe we fail at something that we really wanted to succeed at, and that can teach you that you're not good enough. You take away a negative lesson from the experience, and you tell yourself that you're just not the kind of person who succeeds, and then this gets repeated in your brain. If you just allow these thoughts and lessons that you learn to go unexamined in your head,

then you can end up falling into patterns where every time you fail, you tell yourself, of course I failed, that's what I do. And every time you succeed, you tell yourself that you didn't deserve to, and it must have been an accident. Getting out of these patterns is hard, and the solution isn't magical, but you can challenge the thoughts you have if you can identify them. Then, when you identify them, you have to challenge them, and there's plenty of ways to do that. critical analysis works by taking thoughts like I'm supposed to fail and asking why until you see that this belief is based on nothing. You could take a religious approach of confronting these things too where you ask,

why am I not just meant to fail? And the answer is because God loves you and he didn't make you just to fail. There you go. There isn't one right or wrong way to take care of yourself. But I do know that pretending that all this conflict in your head is the work of demons is lazy, counterproductive, and something that a fraud would want you to think, which is what these two. assholes are. Yep.

So fuck them. Yeah. I mean, it's just the simplest thing to like steal from a person is their own thoughts. Like to take from them like, yeah, I know whatever you think is you, that's not you. I am telling you that it's demons outside of you. So in this transaction of our conversation, the you, you think you are, does not exist at all. It's just me and the demons. And you have to either do what I say or the demons.

So you're going to do what I say, right? You're not going to think for a single second. Maybe I just think things. I really resent this. I think it's really on all the levels that these people are just assholes and they're bad. Like this kind of perpetuation of like the bad things about you or the devil. Yep. Like that I really think robs people of the tools and the energy that they need to actually address issues.

that really suck and are hard. Yep. They're hard to deal with. They are the process of becoming. Yeah. And magic isn't going to work. No, it's just not. It's just not.

So Russell, I think that because he used to wear like leather coats and do heroin, I think he still thinks like he's edgy. And like he considers himself an appestate of the culture. Boo. When Christ appears on the plane of your consciousness, when the spirit moves over the water, when the prima material of consciousness is infused with the divine. You discover that an aspect of yourself is Christ.

Now, I don't mean that in a grandiose way. I'm not claiming any personal or particular access to Christ. I'm saying, in fact, that that was obscured from me. Most of my life, I was worshipping the culture. In fact, more interesting, perhaps, than my conversion to Christ, is my apostasy against the culture that I was a priest for previously. When you're in Hollywood and you're making a bunch of money and you're having a load of sex,

and everyone's telling you you're fantastic, fantastic, you don't realize that you're an appointed voice of the system. It becomes very obvious with someone like Yuval Noah Harari, the writer of Sapiens, who probably is a legit guy, but there's a reason that his books are Barack Obama's favorite books, because those books are telling you, you don't have a chance, you don't have a future. AI has already on. You don't have free will. Wow.

Wait, so you think you have free will? Oh, my God. So you have to be a real serious dork to think that whining about Obama liking a book by Yuval Noah Harari somehow makes you punk rock or a cultural appestate. I feel kind of bad because Russell just wasn't that great except at one thing and apparently there's a limited

market for that thing. He popped like crazy in forgetting Sarah Marshall because he seemed like a larger-than-life druggie blowhard who was a perfect foil for Jason Siegel's character. He was an awesome comedic punching bag because he's full of charisma but you also kind of instinctually

distrust him. This makes him a great side character, but he doesn't really have the juice to be a leading man in the movies. And unfortunately, his schick as this bombastic weirdo kind of got old fast. Get him to the Greek was only two years after forgetting Sarah Marshall, and that speaks for how short the shelf life on this career was. He could have coasted into a very promising voiceover career, and he's been in the despicable me movies, even after his stupid guru pivot. Sure, sure.

So, like, he could have just done that. Yeah. But I think he thinks of himself higher than that. At my point generally here is that he's not an appestate of the culture. He was just a disposable and ultimately cheap piece of that culture in the late 2000s early 2010s. And he seems unwilling to accept that he just didn't have a second gear acting wise. Like there wasn't anything to turn on. There was no like one hour photo or whatever role, prestige role where you were going to turn it around and be a different guy.

You're you. No, he doesn't have an actual substantive talent. He has a enough gristle for you to, like, be caught up in, and then he's got to be gone. He's like, he's like the quintessential music man, you know, he shows up in the town, and then he's got to be gone, because if he stays for two extra days, everybody's going to go, you're a piece of shit. Well, no, and, ah, he captures an energy that you really want to be ironic. Yeah.

Like you want this person to like actually be... You know what you're doing, right. You want them to, when they go about their daily life, to just be kind of like, oh, you don't actually think you're Jesus. Yeah. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the character isn't satire. Like, the characters that he played weren't.

They're kind of too close to his assholeshness. I resent, you know, like, culture changes. That's fine. It happens. That's cool. And I'm fine with, like, the things that I thought were cool. no longer being cool. That's totally fine. Definitely. I'm fine with all of that stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally fine. I'm not fine with this transaction being no longer the same, all right? You can either be cool or you can have become a born again Christian. You cannot do both. There is no doing both. Those are the rules. Yeah. Right? Well, no.

Like, I agree with you, but if you are this person who is the born again Christian, you also think you're cool. Like I remember those guys. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Like a youth group and shit. Absolutely. You're not cool. but you think you are, and maybe you are to 12-year-olds. Right, right, right, which is why you hang out with them.

Right. I don't know. I don't know. They find it sad. You know, sometimes I just wish people would be forced to diagram their own sentences in the middle of talking. Like, there should be a, like, we should have a challenge system, right? Where, you know, like in tennis before everything was automated, you could be like, ah, I think that ball was out.

My eyes are better than yours, right? And then you'd challenge it. and then you'd win or lose, right? I want to be able to interject, be like, challenge and force him to, like, write out one of his fucking sentences and not shit his pants because this is awful. You would lose track of what the fucking point is. What are you talking about?

Where is this dangling claws? You just... What does this mean? It is so much that, like, if you just keep having that rhythm propelling you, people won't stop and go, fuck you. Yeah, he's a champion of momentum. That is, for damn sure. The worst.

So Alex is the, like, he's my... one of the only free types of news, man. Sure. Everyone else is controls, man. What's funny about you as well, and I think what's difficult is the media, the world of information is different now. You know, the people that used to do your job, newscasters, we now know probably water concrete was corrupted.

All those voices, all those names that you associate with truth and freedom. They were probably one way or another paid up, paid for stooges of a system. But in a moment when we see you, beloved Alex Jones, put your mepholine blue thumb to your lip. to blow an imaginary trumpet, we realize the world is a different place. The fact is, is that they can't control information anymore. You were one of the first people. The filters are gone.

Yeah. It's remarkable that Russell can't even give Alex a compliment about how he's an independent, real truth journalist without getting in a joke about his thumb being stained blue from one of his stupid supplements. In literature, this is irony. This is like legit irony. Yeah. Yep.

What Russell is saying is that influence is cheap now. Maybe the newscasters in the old days were being controlled by the CIA and they were totally corrupt, but they were unaccessible. You weren't going to be able to bribe them because they've already been bribed. But now there's an entire landscape of dipshit attention economy performers who need sponsors so badly that they'll stain their skin to sell you their worthless supplements. Russell is pretending like we've gone from a place where the media was corrupt to a place where the media is legitimate. But he's actually saying that it's just become expected that media entities would be corrupt now. and there's no difference. Yeah.

Consider that methylene blue is something that isn't proven to do anything, but Alex started selling because other people in his media bubble started speculating about something that RFK was seen drinking. He had a mysterious blue drink and everyone wanted to know what it was. It turned out it was this supplement, so then everyone in the right-wing space started selling it, insisting that theirs was the best, and it was the stuff that RFK drinks.

Wow. That's literally and metaphorically what staining Alex's. his thumb. Yeah. And I honestly, I don't think that Russell means this to be as inditing as it is. Right. But it's fucking damn it. Right.

I mean, it is, it is more than a little lady Macbeth. It's more than a little, you'll never be able to scrub that blue off your thumb, my man. That blue is going to stay there forever. Your little pretend trumpet. It is stained. Yeah. And I wonder if like you just like it sounds more profound because he's British. Absolutely.

Absolutely. This is 100% All of these things that he is saying to Alex's face are only facilitated by the fact that Alex understands one out of every 10 words that he is saying. Like he's no idea what is really being said to him at all. Probably not. Yeah.

Probably not most of it. No. I don't think, I mean half the time I don't even know what he's trying to say. I would imagine that you and Russell share that. I don't, I think that there's a fair amount of speech that happens without his own, like it's involuntary. Right, right, right. There's a little bit of that like 70s B-Bab.

Like, do, dip-dap, dip-dab-bap, right. Now I found the rhythm. I can keep talking again, you know? Yeah. Some pathways that were burned out by the drugs before he stopped taking them. Right, right, right. So, Russell, he got really famous. We all know that.

We saw forgetting Sarah Marshall. Absolutely. And then he fucked a lot. And he did a bunch of drugs and stuff. I think he did that before he got famous, too. True, when he was a stand-up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he wasn't satisfied.

That'll happen. What our role is, as you've known a lot longer than I have done, is to be able to convert this esoteric spiritual information into a format that people can understand. People have been hurt by religion. People have been hurt by corruption in the church and within Christianity. People have been wounded and enslaved by a culture that I celebrated. So they're already weak.

We can get it. I thought that if I became famous, I would mean something that my life would be valuable. I did become famous. I got access to all of the things that I wanted when I was a little bit. boy, a tubby little boy that didn't think he was good enough. I got access to money and fame and sex and drugs and all of those things. And initially, of course, it's stimulating, but it's hollow and it's empty. But the Lord, he will let you take those journeys. So how much more

invigorate are you now with God and being, you know, with your wife and all that? I mean, I've heard you talk about summit. I mean, is it not like infinity better? It's painful and peaceful. It's painful because the truth of it is painful. It's painful to know that the the world is controlled by the evil one. It's painful to know that everything beautiful in your life is temporary and transient on this plane. All of those things are painful but beautiful. The beginning of knowledge of sorrow.

Guys, pull up that Bible verse. The beginning of knowledge of sorrow. What's that from, mate? I forget where it's at, but it's there. Is it going to be lamentations? Is it going to be Solomon? Do you think it's going to be some Old Testament? It is Old Testament.

Playing some good old Bible roulette. Where do you think that thing is from? Yeah. Great. So Russell is just saying that he was going to. given everything he thought he wanted and he couldn't control himself and he found it all unsatisfying. From there, he's made the leap that Satan must be running the world and trying to stop him from bringing about the return of Christ. Sure.

Russell is fucking lucky that he went all those open mics and trained himself to talk really fast and make fun references in his extemporaneous speech because if he didn't, a lot more people would realize that he's an idiot. Yep. This scripture is interesting that they bring up because they are correct that it comes from the Old Testament, but it's telling that they don't know the book. It's from Ecclesiastes. and the reason that this is important is because this book is entirely about Russell's story. If he doesn't know Ecclesiastes, he doesn't know the Bible at all. The text is ascribed to a ruler named Koholat, who begins the book by lamenting that everything is meaningless because nothing lasts. Chapter 2, verse 1 through 3 says, quote, I said to myself, come now, I will test you with pleasure to find out what is good, but that also proved to be meaningless.

laughter, I said, is madness, and what does pleasure accomplish? I tried cheering myself with wine and embracing folly. My mind's still guiding me with wisdom. I wanted to see what was good for people to do under the heavens during the few days of their lives. The narrator of this story is literally doing what Russell is pretending his life has been about. He's struggling with the futility of life and seeking to find meaning in the things that everyone else finds pleasure in. By chapter nine, things have gotten a bit bleak. Quote, go, eat your food with gladness and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already

approved what you do. Always be clothed in white and always anoint your head with oil. Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun, all of your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun. Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might. For in the realm of the dead where you were going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom. Jesus Christ, buddy. Take a vacation. Yeah, he's a donor.

So Kohelet essentially finds that there's no intrinsic meaning in anything, from wealth to wisdom, because we're all dying. Right. The only thing that matters is honoring God through whatever actions you take and enjoying life while you're lucky enough to experience it. Kind of like that Ozzy Man Damus guy. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a glaring red flag for Russell's whole game that he doesn't recognize this. Bible verse because if any of his shit was sincere, this is a really short book and he would read it a bunch of times. Yeah. Because it would be like, oh my God, I fucking feel this. Yeah, this is one of the ones. Yeah. It's really funny that there aren't that many where people are like, oh shit, this is for real though. Yeah. You know, like this isn't just like, oh, naming a bunch of guys who did stuff. This is like a guy's feelings. Fuck me. And they're exactly the feelings that I use to make my brand. Absolutely. Where I tried all the women and the wine and I did everything and I made great projects for myself and all of it was all not.

Yeah. Like, it's his whole thing. Yeah, it is so weird how many of these. I mean, it's not weird. It's how lazy they are. But it is like, you know, the book's been around for a few thousand years for a reason. There's a lot of stuff that you can exploit in there, you know, and they don't even bother to do that.

Even when it's like one to one. Like, you should be wearing an Ecclesiastes hat. Absolutely. You could sell Ecclesiastes. He's 613 or whatever for God so loves Steve Austin. I have a job now. What? Yeah.

So, remember earlier? Alex was saying that Katie Perry's dad said that she was worshipping the devil. She is a devil worshipper. So this comes back up. Because of course it does. The second time around, I don't think Russell is that into it. You know, you've mentioned a couple of times Pastor Keefe, Katie's father. He's a good man and she's a good person.

They're all good people. I only brought it up because he's on the earth. going, Russell's, I think, becoming Christian. My daughter's a devil worshiper. And I was like, okay. I just wanted the backstory. Are you sure that he said his daughter? You can find it.

He said, yo, Katie's with the devil. And Russell's kind of waking up. Katie's been with the devil for a few years. I had him on like 13, 14, whatever it was years ago saying, I think Russell's about to find Christ. So I think he kind of got the foreshadowing of it. It's weird, isn't it? Because if you're a clever person, if your mind works quick,

you might think that you understand a bunch of stuff. but I've been so slow to understand this. I've been so slow to understand. See, he saw it. He saw it way ahead. Well, maybe. And what about all the people that pray for us, Alex? I know a lot of people pray for you.

I know a lot of people pray for me, and I'm very, very grateful for their prayers. And in that heavenly ulterior realm, connected to the ultimate reality, through those channels, I've been the grateful recipient of their grace and their kindness. They've done the Lord's work through their prayers.

How much do you pray, Alex? You pray a lot, mate. Not enough. I can tell from that inhalation. Pray a lot, mate. They're too busy selling Methylene Blue. By this rebel in blue, it'll ungate your frog. You suck.

Boo. So this is an important moment between these two dudes, where Russell should be fully aware that Alex is full of shit and an unreliable narrator. Russell was married to Katie Perry for two years and obviously knows her family pretty well. He knows that Katie's dad wouldn't go on some radio show and say that his daughter was worshipping the devil. Probably not. So when Alex says this, Russell pushed back on it.

Alex's response is unconvincing, but Russell just lets it go because I'm sure he realizes it's not worth fighting about this. But in that moment, he has to either accept that Alex is full of shit or that Alex knows his ex-wife's dad better than he does. And just because it's fun, here's the actual exchange between Alex and Katie Perry's dad when he was on the show. Because of course you have it. September 2013. You can run on for a long. Well, we got Keith Hudson on with us looking and seeing as the book available at Keith. Heath Hudson.com.

Katie Perry's father calls her a devil child and sermon report. That was, or dot org, excuse me, that was put out by the New York Daily News with no proof, no video. I want to give you the opportunity again here on air to explain that you didn't say that. And then what your view overall, just of rock and roll and where it's all going and Molly Cyrus and all the rest of it. And then we're going to shift gears into overall where you think the state of the state of the world is today, sir. Statement, they came out about a month and a half, two months ago, I guess, and I would never do that.

Like I said, they're talking to it. Sure, well, MSNBC says that I'm a deeply racist and can't show one clip of me saying anything racist. My lawyer said I could definitely win in court, but then I'd spend years probably beating him and tons of money, and, you know, they're so

discredited, that's just the way it is, but specifically... This isn't about you, man. It's ironic. So Alex isn't entirely forgotten or just decided to lie about what this story was. The news had reported that Katie's dad had called her a devil child, and he was coming on Alex's show to attack the media and say that that wasn't true. Twelve years later, Alex has morphed this into a story where Katie's dad was coming on his show to talk about how cool Russell was and how his daughter was with the devil.

Yep. Point is, at this precise moment, Russell can no longer take Alex seriously. He 100% knows that he's a complete liar or someone who can't be trusted to interpret information. And the fact that he has to jump into an impression to save Alex from the how much do you pray question? It tells me that Russell doesn't really care that much. If it's all an act, who cares what's sincere?

Do you cares? Yeah, this is exhausting. I can't imagine wanting to be either one of these people in this scenario. There's no positive situation where this conversation exists in a good way, right? What they're doing is they just need to be there. and have words spoken next to each other, and then later not be there. Yeah, and not dwell too much on the fact that Alex is a complete fucking liar,

lunatic who Russell would never want to associate with outside of this weird theocratic project. Right. And Russell is a guy who's, you know, a lot more socially accepting of LGBTQ people than Alex would want. Sure. That neither of them likes the other. No, absolutely not. fucking Russell is annoying as shit. The worst.

Alex is a fucking Texan. The worst. He hates these kind of people. Listen, you don't have to be Hemingway to know that that guy can go fuck himself, okay? Yeah. That's brutal. Look, British, you're starting behind the, like the starting gate. It's tough.

If you're British and you're talking to a Texan who takes that word very seriously, you're on the downslope. Yeah. Yeah. If you're not Lord Moncton, then I don't know. You're instinctively a villain in the story. Yeah. Right? Like that's just how that brain works.

Yep. So remember, he asked how much do you pray? What a memory to have to be like, okay, this guy came on to specifically tell me something. And then later on, whenever it's convenient, it doesn't matter. He was there to talk shit about his daughter. Oh, wait. In reality, he was there to say that he didn't talk shit about his daughter. It's like, but it's so, it's so.

emblematic. Of course he listens to what the New York Daily News says over the guy himself. Right? No, no, Alex wasn't listening to the New York Daily News. Right. He was, he was allowing like Katie Perry's dad to come on to attack the name. No, that's what I'm saying. But in his memory, that's who that's who has the primacy of story.

I don't even think it's that. Yeah, well, it's fair. I think he has just like completely written over what happened. It's cooler if he hates Katie Perry. In his memory, the New York Daily News reported that the dad didn't call Katie Perry a devil child and maybe thought that Russell Brand was no good. He was standing up against the New York Post saying that. We are in Topsy-Turvy World. That is a good point.

Yeah. So we get back to the subject of how much you praying, bro. How much you pray him? How much you pray, Mike? It's a big question you ask. So it's hard to answer. Good, all right. I am constantly in prayer.

Yeah. So my problem is I have to like, when I have to pull out into the third dimension instead of constantly, so to me, I don't verbally pray. I'm like constantly jacked in. Yeah, I know you're right. It's not like a, it's not like a, uh, beautiful. And then if I actually get ready, like I pray, I just say, tell me what to do. And so it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a little different to kind of people think the conceptual idea of

I understand. Like, I do do praying on my. my knees in private. I do a lot of that. I'm not stage. I sure you did. Like the body picks up on the face is what I do. Oh yeah. Hey, all right. That's cool. Let's not have a prayer off. Like your prayers are better than mine. Well, you said something for the show that was...

I actually put my head down the toilet when I pray. Like 1158 before we went live, you said, hey, let's pray privately before we go on. And I said, let's pray public. You said, well, wait. Christ's talking about the Pharisees praying in public. But in his specific thing, he was saying they do it because they're corrupt. Yeah. They want to act like you're good. So at this point, Russell has to be totally aware of how full of shit Alex is about his faith. He's constantly in a state of prayer and he's defensive about how performative his prayers on air are.

I think all the boxes are checked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Another point, Alex says that he's constantly in prayer and then Russell says that he gets on his knees to pray, which is kind of an attempt to one up Alex. Absolutely. Then Russell goes off on a little riff about how they don't need to outpray each other when he was the one who started it. Well, but he was... It's a fucking creep.

But he's the one who wanted to finish it also. Right. So this is how you finish it. You finish it and then you do a double finisher on top of that. That's not fair. It's not fair. No. That's the Brits for you.

I also like the like, I pray on my knees when I'm in private or need a closer at Tucker Carlson's live show. Get the fuck out of here. I just, I, the performative faith thing to have somebody with like a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, trying to be dominant over it when both of you are so full of shit I can't breathe. Yeah. Like, it's insane. Like, I pray the most. And you both feel pained by how bad each other are.

Right. Like, you each kind of are disapproving of how transparent the other person's game is. Oh, you pray on your knees like a loser, like one of those old people. I pray all the time. I'm jacked in, man. Oh, you don't pray on your knees? Like somebody who's just jacked in all the time? I have to take out the cord to stop praying.

Right. Come on, man. You ask me when I'm praying? When am I not? I do recall that passage in the Bible when they were like, Jesus, how do we pray? And he was like, don't pray. Get plugged in, man. You got to get into the stuff.

You ever see the Matrix? You will. In a couple of thousand years, it's going to be great. Yeah. I'm God so I can see it in advance, obviously. God has lava lamps. So they start talking about some, like, news. Sure.

And fine. Apparently sandwiches in the UK have a climate rating on them. And this is tyranny. Oh, that'll get you. And now they're going to make you get rid of your dog because of the climate. Oh, my God. Did you see that story in my country? They started to innocuously introduce carbon scoring on like sandwiches or whatever, Alex.

Or saying how your dog is bad. It has a carbon score. Wow. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Bear. The game's up. Your carbon score's too high. They say, get rid of your dog and cat.

I don't know if you've seen that. They have TV. the UK. They'd kill your pets, man. It's a literally a sacrifice to Mollick. Maybe liberals will throw their dogs into fires or cats. Wow. To Mollick, to Mollick, to the false...

At the orders of the false gods. Well, it's a lie. We have total expansion. Hundreds of billions of galaxies already found. It's like, it's a... The lie is that it's... The resources are... That's why we're supposed to...

We're supposed to exploit in a good way. All the animals want to... come into the cities where we grow everything. We're, we are actually expansionists. We're amazing. We're God's terraformers. God wants to get all this dead rock and turn it green with birds and butterflies.

We're the terraformers. We're supposed to go do that. Once we get loose, we're going to make the, oh my God. The eye's not seen, ears not hurt. I've seen it, actually, though. It is, we're going to turn. Don't not. Oh, fuck off. Millions of galaxy dreams.

I love that. The ear has not heard. The eye has not Except for me. I've seen it, obviously. Man, these guys suck. These guys just suck. Everything has to be a weird, like, I'm the best all the time.

Nobody is able to speak a concise sentence. Nobody has a clear point. Neither of them want to be there. They have nothing worth hearing in the first place. Now, I think that the only solace that I take in this is that I really don't think that Russell enjoys this that much. No. But it's his energy that is bringing.

bringing this out of Alex. Yeah. Where he's like, we're God's Terraformers. Yeah. Hey, let's get hetty. You're a weirdo. You used to do heroin.

Absolutely. And I think him being subjected to that is kind of funny. Him having to put up with it. It's like both of them are trying to take each other to the place they want to go the least. How about you pride, mate? Actually, we're going to space. Hey, can we scratch the little itch of the part of your brand that's totally bullshit? Right?

Like, what do we do? Just... Can I poke at your religiosity? Can I talk about how we're aliens? Take a picture together and then, like, read books back and forth. Just pretend to have a conversation. Don't do this. Yeah.

This is the worst. It would be good if they had some kind of producer. Yeah. You know, like, there could be... This could stand a little structure. Yeah. Because it's a lot of meaningless all over the place who gives a shit. I have a series of 10 questions to ask you that,

will keep us on to some sort of topic. Yeah. And we'll keep you from talking to me too much. Yeah. I think the influence of Rogan is corrosive. Yeah, it's no good. So, biological life? What about it?

It's from God. That doesn't sound true. Silicon life? Yeah? That's the devil. That doesn't sound possible? Because it can be programmed. Okay.

And then our DNA is a laser. That makes sense. Well, it has to go then. The head of the separate. Biological life is from God. Yes. Silicon is from Satan. Yeah.

Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Men are for Mars. Get on this thing, Alex. This is programmed. So you can program that, but biological life is self-sufficient. It goes forever.

And it builds a... It's perfect. What? Yes. And people think it's slow compared to computers. No, it's not. Our ancient answers is wherever they began. We flesh through our genetics,

literally touched the last woman, the mouse man, the last woman, last man, all the way back. It's a power line. It's a time-traveling machine for our genetics and this message. So we look at this,

is slow like you have this life. That's the pleasure of even the space time continuum that we have wives and husbands and all this fun and sunsets and everything while we're really carrying forward sunsets see into the universe this key transmission. So even being like this laser beam God fires out all the knowledge is like trillions of people and all these pleasures and all these great things while we're on board God's laser beam is full of all these experiences, all this art, all this music, all this culture and all it is is a laser link to the next level think about that even the think about that in fact that's all we are we're a laser link that makes sense a simple term people understand i love it i love it i love it hey no notes makes perfect sense love it don't

change a word everything there is very clear i will never think you're cool the moose that walk the plane now are connected to the very first moose that's okay Genetic code is a laser beam through moose. Love it. So fucking, like, I just, I have to take pleasure in feeling annoyance. Yeah. Because I think Russell's got to be annoyed. Oh, this is the worst.

This is the worst. I mean, I appreciate it. Now that we're, you've gone the wrong direction. Yeah, I know. I'm genuinely enjoying Russell Brand be bummed out by this. This is great for me. Yeah, it's not. It's not quite the same superpower.

No, I'm hoping he gets superpowers from this. He doesn't. He just ends up praying. Of course they end up praying. Why would I have ever guessed anything else? So I got a philosophical and theological question to put on you. Sure. Can God sin?

No. Right. Yeah. No, it's pretty obvious. No, that's a very simple question. It's kind of his whole fucking thing, really. If you stop and think about it. You're right.

That's his main complaint. Apparently he has one sin, though. That doesn't sound true. Nope, sure doesn't. We're the aliens. I mean, let's just be 100% clear. And so our species is put her by God. And God's like, and there's also this species,

but it's really just your tester, you're way more advanced. You're in embryonic form. So my only sin, you can say God's only sin. I don't say it's against God. You'll see it in the Bible, but God's only guilt. God is it guilty for it. God explains this. So I always say, you're God's a sadist.

He allows all this pain. He allows us. Well, yeah, he. when I have children, I have four, they will be born, they will die. I know they're eternal. They can become bank robbers or murderers, whatever. But I still did it because I love them. It's a process.

Wait, what? We are God's children. So if you look at God and say, how dare you create me for the potential for pain, you're asking that you never had consciousness. And so the only question God ever had was, I'm omnipresent, sentient, all-powerful being. do I create more potentials of what I've done? And that's why we're called little G in the first book of the Bible.

Because it's true. Look in our embryonic form already what we've built. I mean, we are tadpoles, folks. We are powerful. We are wonderfully and frighteningly made. See, this is where I get some hope because I think that Alex is saying that we have superpowers. I think something along those lines, yes. And so if we're on a quest to get you,

superpowers. This is affirming. Right. No, I think it says that some people believe it's possible. Maybe not the best people to believe it's possible, but there are some people who believe. Absolutely. Sure. Galileo was mocked in his time. Right. Absolutely.

Oh, my God. See, you can't, God has kids. You can't have kids. Is it a sin to have kids? I mean, I genuinely don't know anymore. What are you saying? It is an open question. The problem of pain. Just that fucking man. God gave us free will and that maybe was his only sin.

I think, so, I think people have a problem in general with banning things. You know, like there's this idea that if you ban things, they will be banned as opposed to just like, you'll make them more annoying to get, right? I think we just need to have places for things. Like this conversation needs to exist in a basement with plenty of. weed that is like closed off so you're hotboxing. Yeah.

It shouldn't be broadcast to anywhere else. Yeah. Or a church that's under investigation. Absolutely. 100%. Either a weed basement or a suspicious church. There is an infiltrator within this church. So you don't need to worry about it too much later on.

There's a snitch and it's both of you. It's both of that. Because they don't believe any of this shit. Why are we talking? I think Alex, might be also like, there's a chance that he's a little bit back in the sauce. Like he has a little bit of his drunk energy.

Yeah, he does. But why wouldn't you, if Russell Brand's coming around? I think he's trying to impress Russell Brown. I think he wants to Russell Brand. Look who could still drink? I think so. I genuinely think so. Oh, God.

It's brutal. So anyway, God has a plan. It's in our DNA. Okay. Yeah, it's we, I guess we also still have free will? No. Okay. Yes.

Okay. No. Oh. We have to just keep fucking and making more people. That makes sense. That is the transmission from God through our DNA. What a weird transmission. There couldn't really be consciousness at all if you were on automaton.

Isn't it curious still that the global imperialist order wants to create this kind of endless automation? What is Bill Gates trying to achieve, Alex? What's Bill Gates doing? Total war against God's plan. God says you have free will, but it's like an embryo with the zygote forms. It's a plan. and it will be perfect but if you attack it

sin means death it will derail the plan it's very simple within God's plan you're not a slave like under Satan you get all this free will and all these powers that increase as you go up but you have to first be tested before you're given the great power and so it's a blueprint it's a diagram

it's total success it is architecture but you have to you just can't you just can't hand this God could create creatures that he claims every will. Take a breath, buddy. Twisted to make sure they make the right decision. God has to them give you the will, and then Satan is an agent of God. God didn't turn Satan against God, but God knew Satan would do that. What are we doing?

So, yes, that's God's sin. If you want to say there's a sin. Is it God allowed the devil do this? But it is the tester. What? As anybody knows, you raise kids and don't make them work and do their own business, they're going to be spoiled rotten brats or devils. So the experience we have, little G, little God, compared to the great God, is the same experience. We go, oh, absolutely. We have kids. We love them.

We're supposed to do it. We're supposed to raise them right. But then they can go wrong. And God's like, exactly. Also, Alex, though, he gave us the law. He gave us the law. He gave us the cheat sheet. He doesn't just exactly.

He tells us what's coming in Revelation. He tells us in Ezekiel. He tells us in Daniel. He goes, exactly. He goes, you got a test. But God's so good. He goes, here's a cheat sheet, sweetheart. Yeah.

Remember when this show was like about Alex complaining about OSHA and like trying to reaffirm the 10th Amendment? and states' rights and stuff. States send letters reaffirming they still follow those amendments. Yeah. They're like, yo, three, still up top. There's magic in your DNA. Three's number one.

We need to have the state houses get together and reaffirm that there's magic in your fucking DNA. Yeah. Wow. We've come a long ways. I miss the days. whenever you could have, you know, because like religion is now very splintered. Back in the day, there was just the big ones, right? And they had way too much power to the point where you could just be like a regular old priest at a regular old church.

And somebody would say some shit like this to you. And you would listen to it and you wouldn't understand it. But at the end of it, you go, sounds blasphemous. And that person would be gone. Yeah. You know, they'd just be gone. No one can talk to you. Goodbye.

Yes, absolutely. That doesn't sound cool. gonna get you out of here. Yeah. And I think that, look, obviously I think excommunication, that kind of stuff is bad. Sure. But the alternative in the opposite side is bad too. Yeah.

Which is like, I think people who are Christians would probably listen to stuff like this and be like, I don't connect with any of this. This is nonsense. The fuck are you talking about? And when we resist any categorization, it allows someone who has the kind of beliefs of Alex and Russell to gain the power of the name Christian. Yeah. And I think that that's irresponsible too.

That's exactly it. That is exactly it. When you are allowed to represent Christianity like this, you are saying that it's okay for this to be what Christianity is. Yeah. And you're stealing the masses of followers of something that is not what you believe. Right. You're like, look how many Christians there are.

And you imagine and you pretend that it's like people believe the same shit you do. It's not. Yeah, it's putting a fucking Christ on top of esoteric bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. It's whatever. Who cares? What you're going to do? Yeah.

So, Russell. Yeah. I mean, it's a pleasant enough conversation. I understand that. Yeah. But I really do get the feeling that he does not really like Alex that much. And vice versa. And it's sometimes hard to hide.

Yeah. Because you have this extraordinary imagination and capacity for information and you range intergalactically and cosmologically, Alex. You know, you move from methylene blue to interdimensional war, which I suppose is what the Smurfs and Gargamel are doing. Maybe. By the way. Is Methelene Blue Smurf Blood? Let's stop. Tell us the truth.

I'm going to shut up. I'm going to shut up. I'm going to shut up. Tell us the true Fauci. Is Metheline Blue? It's Smurf blood. They got Gargamel in there. Hold on.

He's got Papa Smurf. You've got Papa Smurf's nuts. I want to see what happens. We've got him on squeezing them nuts. And that's Meffoline Blue. And I'm angry about it. Look, I just want to say this. You said you were going to take it.

All right. I'll drink it. I want to see how it hits you before the show ends. Go ahead. Listen, this is I'm going to treat the rest of this interview as a contest between me and you. Who can say the craziest stuff? Who can drink the craziest substances? This is war now, Jones.

I mean, I just think, I think there is a disrespect. Yeah. It's implicit in all of this. And why wouldn't there be? It started off super disrespectfully on Alex's part. There's an inherent disrespect to the moment you do an impression of another person. Yeah. Like in any power situation where somebody has more power than you and you do an impression of them, that's not going to go well for you.

Even when there's not. Right. Even when there's not a- It's usually just rude in like a regular way. Boo, blah, I'm Jordan. Exactly. Yeah. That's not cool. That's kind of mean to me.

I don't know why you did that. Because I'm being rude. Yeah, absolutely. So if you're going up to somebody's face and choosing the one thing about them that has made them a fucking joke on the internet for decades. Yeah. And then yelling it in their voice at them without a riff. There's no riff here. Well, no, there is.

Right. It's insulting his business strategy. Sure. And how he overhypes these products. Sure. And like that is the riff. That is the joke. Right.

And it's just a joke that can't be taken seriously or even humorously. in the context of Alex's show because it unfortunately penetrates what the show is actually about. We have to do a completely different show if we follow this riff the way it's supposed to go. Yeah. And I mean, look,

whenever I say stupid shit in Alex's voice, I don't do it because it's an homage. No. When I will put on an Alex's voice. At any and all times, every human being putting on an Alex voice is in some way making fun of him for what he is. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think there's a... Ha. Ah, I just thought of Gavin McGinnis, arguing that Blackface was reverent. Yeah, there is that. There is no reverent, Alex's impression. No. It's always insulting.

No, nobody's, like, doing dueling carsons. Like, oh, this is, remember whenever comedy used to be great. This is not the same thing. So, uh, this clip is not connected to much, but it's a little piece of lore that we need. Okay. So this is just for the future. Okay. Well, you know, my dad did get it.

I got metholine blow on my hand. dad digging it. It's a mark of the beast. My dad, I've told this forever, but they always have as a secret. Oh, we found this out. No, my dad got recruited into MKaltrow. Oh, yeah, no, I've heard you say that before. Look, I wanted to just ask.

But he didn't know. He thought he was joining NASA. But that's the reason I know about it. Alex, I've got a series of questions. You can't be taking someone seriously if that's your response to. My dad was in MK Ultra, but he thought he was in NASA. Yeah, I heard you. I heard you say that before.

Anyways, moving on. Yeah. That would be very interesting if it, for any moment, I thought it would. true. Yeah. Even a little bit. If for a second, I thought there was any dignity in taking you seriously, I would have a follow-up question. There have been like a hundred documentaries on MK Ultra. There have been like a thousand books on MK Ultra. There have been documents upon documents upon documents. I understand that the ones that the CIA destroyed no longer exist, but I doubt they were purely about David Jones. They were all about. They were all David Jones

related. Those are the only documents the CIA managed to get rid of. Fine. Perfect cover-up. I mean, obviously, there's no way that anybody ever thought to talk to this guy before. Never. Nope. He's very private. Yep. Absolutely. He only has a son who's got one of the loudest fucking bullshit shows on the world.

Yeah. If he was, like, involved in MK Ultra and all this stuff, like, ask some questions about your dad. Start to, start to dig in there. I mean, come on. Anyway, you know, there's a lot of talk in the world about people being paid by governments in order to push propaganda. Naturally. And what have you.

Right. And Russell is like, no one's ever given me any money. I've never been offered anything of you. I've never, like, had anyone like from Mossad or any deep state agency say to me, we'll give you $10 million. That's because you've been assessed, Russell.

Yes. I'm too crazy. You're too crazy. Well, I have been on. I didn't say that. Oh. Yeah. But even though they said,

well, we did the assessments, we don't think you're going to take it, but you know you're going to be destroyed if you don't. I can tell you some of the stories if you want Yeah, yeah There were all the record meetings But the point is Is that I can tell you the general stuff

It's 100% real Hey, uh, dipshit, no one buys it We're all, we're sitting here in the room And you have like Alex Has lost confidence in his own thing here You can feel the energy Leave his body Yep

When Russell's like I haven't been offered money Oh, you've been assessed Oh, so you've been assessed too No, no They assessed me and they said they'd still give me money, but they knew I wasn't going to take it. And then I would be destroyed anyway. Do you want to hear the stories of the times that the devil talked to me and told me, though?

Sure, buddy. This is the type of stuff that you would hear in third grade and you'd be like, wow, you're very immature. Or you're so creative. Absolutely. There's definitely some of that. You've got quite an imagination on you, kid. It's just so much over and over and over again. Like, I want you to think I'm cool.

Look at all these cool things. I'm showing you all of my toys in my room. Look, here's my dad. He was an MK Ultra. Isn't that cool? Isn't that cool? No? Even the sounds that he's making are literally like that third grader.

I'm not interested in your toys. They're the sounds of a person who's like, I think it's embarrassing if I just agree with you. I think some people who like me, would look down upon me if I had that. My social status goes down. Yeah. Yeah.

You're embarrassing. E. So Russell starts to talk about how he's moved to Florida. And since he's moved to Florida, he's realized that there's an attack on men. These men, they're who we need in a crisis, right? Because men, they shoot guns better and they fight back better. And they're strong and they have muscles. Oh, my God.

Right? So the globalists and the man, they're attacking men. Sure. So when the crisis comes, the men won't be able to help. Makes sense. Do you know what I felt, like now that I live in Florida among Floridians in the panhandle, I started to understand that the vilification of men with protector capacity is in order to ensure that they aren't given their rightful position in the forthcoming conflict,

i.e. we should look to and honor those men. Yeah, the enemy attacks. Or a lot of them are rapists? So if you undermine those men and talk about those men as if they're fundamentally misogynist or racist or rapist. Ah, you mean the rapist do you? I have a conflict. Recognize where your leaders are going to come from, your leaders and your warriors. Not from the rapists.

The British intelligence rights said because they've studied all the world. The whole world. The Germans are powerful in a war, but they're controlled by government. Idiots. In all the petting on documents and the leftists, they say we're worried about the Scots and the Irish and a subset of the Brits, which you know are totally cowed in their countries. But the spirit of that, which founded America, the text revolution, in the enemy war games,

they're obsessed. They said the rebellious of the Scots, the spirit of that is in America, it must be crushed. Inofficial putting on documents. They are obsessed over that. Oh, they're just obsessed about the Scots. So fucking obsessed with the Scots. The Scots are too rebellious. The British intelligence has studied the world.

Right. Now, it just so happens. They're really focused on the people in their backyard. Is that crazy? But also, there's a piece of this, too, where Alex was like, the British intelligence has studied the world. And then he starts talking about the Pentagon and like the Army War College and the globalists and the leftists.

What happened to the British intelligence? I mean, you know, they just, all over the map. They picked the Scots. And so then the Pentagon was like, well, obviously the Scots. Right. But then the Scots moved to Texas. Yeah, they did the Texas Revolution. So then now the Scots stole part of Mexico, I guess, for some reason.

Right. Well, but I mean, we were going to give it back, right? That was the plan. Just borrowing. Yeah, absolutely. That's like a ladder. Yeah, so I get that Russell was trying to come in here with a misogyny men's rights kind of angle. Right, right, right, right.

And Alex has now hijacked this and taken this in a pretty racist direction. Yeah. And it's not just that the Scots are good. it's that white people seem to be the only people capable of leadership. So strange how that works. So what I felt like around Florida is that these men with their trucks and their guns and their hunting and their competence and their confidence, these men are very, very important that they are honored.

They're the only people left right attack action. And they can inspire the Hispanics, the blacks, everybody into leadership. So the enemy's assessed it. And they're worried about classic British Isles will. Yeah, I can't imagine why MSNBC would say you're racist. Can't imagine. Crazy. Yeah, weirdest thing.

There's no, you didn't even need that. You didn't need that. You could have just left the implied racism there. You didn't need to be like, and then they'll bring the blacks up. Like, what are you doing? Their courage will inspire their Hispanics and the blacks. This is the 50s? These classic English aisles, the only people who can take action.

That did sound so tired at the end. You know, the English Isles. Can you imagine talking to Russell for an hour? That would be exhausted. It would be so tiring. Yeah, I don't fault his fatigue. No, it does feel sometimes like Russell Brand is like an emotional vampire. It just drags everything out of you.

That might just be the gothic heroiney vibe. That's true. That makes you think vampire. That could be. So Russell apparently saw a picture of General Patton. Sure. In the Info Wars office. Right. And so he asks Alex about that.

Okay. And then weirdly, they just start praying. So why are you obsessed with a pattern then? Why do you like general pattern? What do you think is unique about Pan? I see you've got a picture of him out there. And I know that like what I like about him, particularly how he was played by George C. Scott, is that if you go. We've taken down most of the pitchers because we've been almost shut down a few times. So I like Patton, but it's kind of a few pictures they left up. I think it's a newer thing. Chase made me.

I mean, he was a direct general. And he knew what was going on. And he was straight up. knew what was that? Mercilessly, visulously. You made me exhaust. Your enemy's more exhausted. I mean, we like that spirit. We like the spirit of battle,

the spirit of fighting and the spirit of fortitude. Hey, maybe we should do that prayer now, Alex. Please, ladies in it. Gracious God. Please, Lord, I ask to speak to you, God, as you know yourself to be, not my limited childish conceptions of what God is. Impressions painted in my mind,

that a culture that wants me separated. from you, Lord, remove from me, all which is not in your service, my vanity, my narcissism, my need for tension, my constant need for love and approval. I will say that just limited exposure. He's a better prayer than Alex.

That's true. Alex's prayers are very, they're too familiar. Sure. Sure. They're angry and they usually are very clearly like, I need something. Give it to me now. Well, I mean, that's the benefit of having a British education though.

You do get a lot more of that language built up within you. Yeah. I mean, he said innocuous earlier. I don't think Alex has ever said innocuous in his life. Probably not. Yeah. But yeah, he goes on. It's a long-ish prayer. That sounds right.

But, yeah, it's jumping from a picture of Patton to, hey, let's do that prayer. It just feels all over the place. It feels unnecessary, too. They've already discussed whether or not they were going to pray earlier. like with the talk about the public thing. Yeah, absolutely. What are we doing here? I don't know.

It feels like these people want to not be here, right? But they could both not be there. Yeah, but there's a little bit of money in being there. I mean, is there enough money to justify spending an hour with Alex Jones? That's my question. Well, again, I refer you back to earlier when I was saying that Russell seems very desperate to not admit that this is the bottom of the barrel. That's a good point. So, yeah, maybe it is worth it to spend a little time with Alex for him.

I mean, he's living in Florida. So he's probably used to this kind of conversational speed. Yeah, probably. So they start talking a bit about Trump. And Russell is insane. He seems to think that Trump is like a King David type figure. Great. Which is just nuts.

Your review of the Trump administration, the last 11 months in office or 10 months in office, your positive points, your negative points, and what you see the enemy's going to throw at us. Don't you feel like Trump, in a sense, is a creature created by America's imagination, the America of the 80s with all of its entrepreneurialism. If America was to create its own perfect king and... He's a ghost of America's greatness.

A ghost of America's greatness. A beautiful way of putting it. Of course he flew around in a plane with his own name on it. Of course he literally drinks Diet Coke and eats McDonald's. That's what the American mystic would do. That's what the American anointed king, the David of America, I suppose, he is in some kind of way fallen and broken, but a bolverk to the systems that would have succeeded

without the intervention of the MAGA movement. Of course I am noticing, as everybody is, that those wars are continuing. Of course, I'm noticing that there appear to be interests that are supranational, i.e. outside of the U.S. government and outside of the U.S. nation, that seem to have undue influence on American foreign policy. So obviously he's talking about a suspiciousness about Israel. Yeah. But I can't tell just from this interview and not knowing too much about this ding-dong's, like, consistent work.

Yeah. But he's saying, I'm noticing these things. Right. And, you know, a lot of anti-Semitic people. The noticing is the noticing. Well, but that is a code that a lot of people use. But at the same time, it's also a normal word. To say noticing.

Which is the problem with, you know, dog-whisly type stuff. Well, it's why it works. Exactly. So I would be remiss if I didn't say that's mighty suspicious. Right. But at the same time, it could be a coincidence. And he's not expressing an anti-Semitic undertone. Okay.

That's hard to say. Here's another one. New challenge. New challenge rule. That's a foul. So you call foul. You have to immediately establish are you, do you mean that or do you not mean that? Yeah.

Got to do what you got to do. Yeah. Then we can move on with your next thought. but you can't continue unless I know for sure, right? Yeah, yeah. If you wink at me, we got to clear up or you winked. Yeah, exactly. Like, what are you doing?

Yeah, did you blink poorly or did you wink at me? Yeah. And I'm inclined to just go ahead and say, I don't really care. You suck because you're saying that Trump is King David, anointed leader of America. Yeah. And it makes, his point is interesting. And it's because there's this idea that, like,

what image would we conjure out of our imagination? Sure. And yeah, Trump is a leader that would come out of the lies and cocaine of the 80s. Sure. Like, yes, the lie of America would create Trump. Yeah.

Not the real ambition and the real, like, spirit of what this country runs on. We already did Bateman. We got it. We nailed it. Yeah, we didn't need to watch that guy become king. No,

but we are. Yeah, that's the problem. And they think he's king. David. I mean, you know, I always remember that. So I remember that story. And I remember thinking like, man, that guy must not have gone to heaven.

You're talking about Patrick Bateman? No, no, no, no. So King David, he's like sending, he's like sending that guy and he's like, hey, go fighting that war. And then he go fucks that guy's wife, right? And then that guy dies and they don't really feel bad about it. And then later on, God's like, God's like, that guy's super cool. Love that guy.

Right. So the guy who died in the war that he didn't even. to fight. He probably couldn't have gone to heaven, right? Because if God is like looking down at David, like, that guy's fucking great. You're like looking over at God being like, that guy fucking, he fucked my wife. Yeah. You know, he murdered me and then fucked my wife. Right. Right. So God can't be cool with that guy. That guy's got to be in hell. But you don't know that he's all that mad. That's small minded of you. I mean, that's fair. Maybe that guy's like, he fucked my wife. But I get it. He's a great. He's a great leader. No, no, no, I

get it. I get it. Maybe he's got that kind of long-term thinking. Yeah, I don't, I don't remember from the story what his take on it was. I don't think he gets a take. I think that if you are God. Yeah. And you're in a situation where it's like, I fucking love this guy, but he, he sent that guy to die and he banged his wife. He's like the Russell brand of guys. I would just be like, that guy gets into heaven. We give him a pass. Like, we just got to smooth this one over. Like, let him, man. Like, okay. So, so, so maybe. the guy is a real piece of shit, right? And God was all ready to be like,

I'm gonna get rid of your ass. Oh, David, you gotta let this guy in. Yeah, grease the wheel. David fucked up. Yeah, that happens. We're covering up for David's mistakes. It's like a nepo baby thing. We gotta, we gotta give this guy,

we got a blackmail. Maybe. Yeah. Anyway, I think Russell's stupid. Yep. So Alex has some thoughts about what's going on with the Trump administration vis-a-vis the government shutdown.

Sure. And what have you. Right. and he just directly lies. I feel that we will experience successive crises until the institutions that benefit from crisis are dismantled. They include global bureaucracies that are unelected, deep state interests, but also powerful corporate and commercial interests.

All of them, as you've described, articulately, beautifully and passionately for many years, are interwoven and interconnecting, and they're deeply robust and potent. You won't get a better example other than on Alex Jones on Infowars than that speech from network. That is how power operates. I remember General Partnet,

of our first weapons development, tell me 30 years ago, when they cut off SNAP, you know they're doing the uprising, and now the Supreme Court just blocked Trump trying to turn SNAP back on. Snap is the food. Snap is the food.

Snap is the food. So Alex is an absolute unrepent liar. He knows fully well that the Trump administration's been attacking SNAP benefits and actually has filed suit to get states to repay for benefits that they distributed. Alex knows how severe of a situation, situation this is, and that a lot of his audience is probably impacted directly by Snap being frozen,

so it isn't something he can just ignore. The reality of the assistance programs being taken away is going to be a real wake-up call for a lot of these people, and it's going to make a lot of them very mad, or dead. The only way to play this is to say that Trump was trying to save SNAP payments, but the evil globalists won't let him pay it out. It's the direct opposite of reality, and it runs counter to Trump's underlying political ideology, but taking away vulnerable people's access to food is such a transparently monstrous thing to do that Alex has to make this up.

Yeah. Like, he can't justify this on any level. Yeah. It's all like mental masturbation when you're talking about cutting government excess. Yeah. And talking about the red tape and trim the fat and what have you. But when people are left to starve, that's not abstract anymore. This is quite real.

It's the end result of what you want and the politics that you support. Yep. So fucking own it. Yeah. Yeah, that's just one of those ones that's like, it is the fault of everybody that it's on the table. Right? Like, in the same way that abortion is not just, like losing abortion is not just the fault of the people who like got rid of it. It's the fault of people who didn't codify it.

It shouldn't be on the table at all. Right. It should be off the table. If it's on the table, then it's there to use. So if you're using food, you're not the good guy. You know, giving it out or taking it away is not making you the good guy. You should remove it from the table. Yeah.

That's the problem. And that's honestly, I think, what we need to just make as like a cornerstone. Food. Everybody eats. Yeah. Yep. Like, unnegotiable. Exactly. Nothing like, no, go fuck yourself.

I don't care. Right wing, left wing. I don't give a fuck about any of that. stuff. Nope. People got to eat. Yep. Everybody eats and then we can...

Get people the food. There's no like argument about, oh, how can we compromise on who gets the most... Nope. Everybody eats. But my DNA is magical and it's a transmission from God. I don't care. We can argue about tax percentage or whatever the fuck you want, but everybody eats. Yeah.

Yep. That would be nice. It would be nice. So I have recently taken to nature. Sure. I've gone to the woods. You enjoy it? And I hate to say this, but this is a place.

where Alex and I agree that nature is kind of like a drug and that it is restorative and it really it makes you feel good we're animals we're animals we need to connect with our lives so I'm going to agree with Alex for a little bit here and then I'm going to say something very insulting he well nature's a drug everybody knows it's not some secret but anytime I really get depressed if I do I just go swimming and hiking and just rolling around the grass I'm just energized you roll around and grow I'd really like to come across you one day in a meadow Alex I'd like to be going for a dog walk and find Alex Jones rolling around in grass. That's what I'd like.

I'm refreshing myself. There's precious ions in here. There's electrolytes in the soil. It's filling me up. There's nothing like hocking in the middle of nowhere and just walking into a lake. Hey, a motherfucker. How about you keep walking into that lake with a heavy coat on?

Just keep walking, you piece of shit. Just walk down there. What a perfect thing. Serene. Just keep walking into that lake. I mean, I know it's hard to walk with cement shoes, but if you just get all the way in there, I think I'll be fine with the results. Yeah.

Yeah, man. Couldn't think of a better, better, more calm place for you to drown than in the middle of the fucking woods. At a certain point, don't you have to be like, hey, don't do that voice of me.

That was fucking mean. That one was bullshit. That one wasn't even close to funny or anything. That was just a mean... There's electrolytes in the dirt. Yeah, that's a mean thing you're saying to me. You're being mean to me. Well, I think it's because they don't like each other. I know.

Like, but. Now, we have one more clip. Okay. And Alex has been talking about going out and walking into a lake and how great that is. It's great. He took a walk. He saw this fucking heron. What a bird.

So he took a picture of this bird. Okay. And he wants to show the picture of the bird to wrestle. Sh! So we're getting literal. I want you to think I'm cool. Here's a picture of an animal. Here's a bird I saw.

Here we go. Now, I have to think that this is a passive-aggressive act. Okay. But Russell starts praying again. Oh, dear Lord. Give me the fuck out of this place. Jesus Christ, I'll drop the British heck. This is what I say.

I'm from Florida. No, no. He starts praying for Alex to be forgiven about Santa. Okay. Well, that's mean. I'm absolutely herons and all the rest of this. But the point is, I'll show you. some video of this. Yeah. My point is, is that that's the drug. That's when I'm depressed.

Let me put your of a her in this morning. Five feet tall. That's a beautiful heron, man. Crane or a crane or wherever it is. I think it's a heron and it's a bird of wisdom. It's a bird of wisdom. And it's a, you know, not that we believe in superstition or nothing like that, but he communicates to us through nature. He's primary creation. Yeah, that's a beautiful, beautiful heron. Heavenly Father, pray for absolution and forgiveness for Alex. You are the supreme. God. You are the supreme God, not the state, not the media, not a set of governmental interests. And we pray forgiveness for any transgressions, perceived or real Lord, around the matter of Sandy Hook.

Absolute forgiveness and atonement through your blood. I pray for the people that were affected there, for the people that lost their children there. And I pray your forgiveness for your son, Alex Jones, for the great work that he does and continues to do. I pray your blessing and your forgiveness. You can stop praying. What the fuck, man. Buddy. I'm not supposed to be a pocket. apologizing for anything, asshole. What the fuck are you doing? You bring up my rape trial. I bring up

Sandy Hook. Now what? Now what? Who's got who on this one? The bird of wisdom has visited you and Lord, I just want to, I just want to pray. I want you to give your healing hand to the syphilis that this man has. Alex Jones. I want God to heal you of your syphilis right now, my son. I do think that there's something incredibly mean about that prayer. Yeah, it's very big prayer. There's a Passive aggression that, like, is undeniable. I mean, I understand if I get why it would be passive aggressive coming from any other context. I think this is open aggression. I think this is a borderline of slap.

Yeah. Yeah. I can't, I can't fully disagree. Why did you bring up Sandy Hook on me? It's the bird of wisdom. Exactly. Bullshit. I saw this great heron.

No, no, no, no. Fowl. I demand you explain yourself right now. I don't know, man. I think that these dudes are incompatible as media entities. I think their vibes are bad. Yep. I think their vibes individually are bad.

But then mixed together, it's like chocolate on pizza or something like that. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No good. There's some elements of this that are funny. But I also recognize in hindsight that this was never going to give you superpowers. No. It's not the right kind of annoying. No.

He's so annoying. Yeah. But it's the wrong, it's the wrong vibration. It is. Yeah. And there's a certain amount of satisfaction from just like a visceral American feeling of a idiot, interrupting a British man saying nothing. That's what we're here for.

Sure. That's what God put us on America for it. Yeah. You know? And I think that there is something visceral too about like, dude, you fucked it all up. Yeah. Like you had the life.

Yep. And you just couldn't handle it. And now you're doing this. So I think there's something, there's a shot in Freud about watching him have to talk to Alex. Sure. And I think that that takes a lot of the edge off. Yeah. Of whatever annoyance there could be.

Like, if he had just like not been himself and played his card slightly differently. Yeah. He could be like. a go-to guy for comedic movies. You're not wrong. He would never be Seth Rogen. No, no. But Jonah Hill had a, like, that thing he did.

Right. You know, and they just put him in that. Aziz Ansari was just in that new Keanu Reeves and Seth Rogen movie. And he's not doing something new. He wrote and directed that movie also. I'll tell you, here's what it is for me. And here's what I would guess it is for Alex, too. is for all the times that Russell Brand can do an Alex impression to Alex's face and say mean things

at the end of the day Alex gets to say you had to come here true you know and that's that's the ultimate like yeah you're pathetic well it's it's a double-edged sword because I know what here is yeah and also if you're like you came here yeah it would be easy for Russell just say you would have come to me if I ever asked sure totally so You know, it's a hollow victory to be like... Well, to be either of these guys as hollow all the time. Yeah. I mean, I guess take your victories where you can get them, right?

Yeah. Well, this disappoints me because I don't know what other kind of annoying we're going to have to find. I like talking to people who are fun and we have fun, right? Like, I don't even understand this conversation. This is not fun, nor is it informative. I don't understand this conversation. I'm Jordan. Dear Lord, I would like to pray for Jordan to understand this conversation.

Lord, don't let anybody know I'm here. I have been demolished. Let my embarrassment be completed. So, I don't know. I don't know either. I can't explain it. But we'll be back another episode. Indeed we will.

Some other asshole. Yep. But until then, we have a website. Indeed we do. It's knowledge. dot com. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

I love you.