Knowledge Fight - 1101 November 22 2025

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

In this installment., Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex deals with the breaking news that Marjorie Taylor Greene resigned from Congress.

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Fight. Dan and Jordan. Knowledge fight. In Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time calling. I'm a huge fan.

I love your world. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight. Fight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to KnowledgeFight. I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy?

Aren't you go first? My bright spot. That's this month. It's all about you going first. Well, because your bright spot seems to be consistently of the cheese-related. I don't want to foreshadow too much. My bright spot is My wife, Guy,

Street continues. She purchased for me this amazing coat. Sure. It's very, very close. It's a nice greenish. There's so many pockets. There are hidden pockets. That's what I'm all about.

Any good coat has pockets that you don't know about to keep your wallet in. You as an owner of the coat, you don't know about it. No, there should be a magical, like you should be able to flip it out twice in a way that only somebody who's already aware of the magic of coats.

My pockets got pockets. Exactly. Absolutely. And those should be somewhat mystical in origin. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Nice. Well, I think it looks great. There are so much.

Good that you're ripping me off by getting a coat. Also, I am not. I'm not ripping anybody off. I just walked into a coat. So did I. I just stole my bit. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair.

I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll live like that. I'll live like that. You were saying that almost always you have black coats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a little bit of... This is a departure.

It is quite a difference to see you in a different color. Yeah. And I didn't even realize how much it would be. No, I've worn a black coat for literally 20 years. So this is a whole new world of colors. Hey, it's opening up. Ah, yeah. Living in the world.

Yep. So that's my bright spot. How are you feeling? About what? About your coat? I think it's good. About the year. About the date.

about food stuffs. Do you want to ask me what my bright spot is? Yes, I do. Okay. My bright spot, Jordan, is, of course. It is December 12th. All right. And so the cheese advent calendar marches along.

Okay. Nice. That one's pretty good. Thank you so much, David. Yep. Thank you very much, David. What a fun, cynthy cheese advent calendar sting. I like that.

I'm learning something along the way. Yep. Tell me about it. I don't really, I can't tell the difference between a lot of cheeses. Right. I think they're fine. I like cheese. Sure.

I have not, my love of cheese has not been diminished by this exercise in any way. Right, right, right, right. I'm thrilled to continue it. Of course. But there is a part of me that thought I would be like gaining it, a respect and appreciation for all these different cheeses. Okay, okay. And it has not happened. I think they're all very, very, very, very.

similar and good but very similar. Cheese is good is the lesson here. Yeah. But cheese is essentially moldy milk at the end of the day. I don't have any like real strong feelings or like front runners or anything. Sure. I like the strongest feeling that I've gotten was one of the days I opened one of them and the cheese just said goat.

Just said goat. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought that was fine. Did the cheese itself say goat? No, it did. No. But it didn't say goat cheese.

didn't say like Chevra or anything. It just a goat. I'm like, this is, it's just a goat. I like it. It's not the greatest of all time. No. It was fine. Yeah.

But anyway, we have today's cheese, day 12. And this is, like, I'm pretty excited about this. Okay. This is cheddar with cracked pepper. Cheddar with cracked pepper. Which I think is just like delicious. Winning combination. Yeah, that's just a delicious kind of cheese.

And so here is the part of my bright spot, right? Jordan Vamps. All right. Well, what you brought up earlier about not being able to different she ate cheeses reminds me a lot of Somaliers, right? So whenever you are giving a wine pairing by an actual fucking Somalié, which has only happened to me twice or something like that, they give you a description of the soils,

they give you a description of the grapes and like the mouth feel of the specific grapes of the region. Absolutely. It's crazy how they can do that. And other people can confirm that they do that. So you don't think for sure that it's just a bunch of people fucking with you, right? You don't think that it's for sure a bunch of people fucking with you. But you kind of think because when you taste it, you go, it tastes a lot like wine.

That they're maybe fucking with you. And maybe they're just making all of that shit up at any given point in time. Well, you can't get those fine notes when you're chugging it. Exactly. Wow, that's fair. That's your problem. I've lived a different life than a Somalié. I will admit that.

We have very different priorities when it comes to drinking. Yeah. Yeah. That was good. That was good cheese? It was just cheddar with crack pepper. It had enough crack pepper in it that it really does. did fundamentally change the cheddar.

The cheddariness. Yeah. You got a good pepper feel in there. That's good stuff. Woo! Which brings us ever closer to the day we have chosen to believe that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was born. Well, we're halfway through the calendar.

So that makes, you know, 12. 12 out of 24 and now we got this crack pepper. Oh, man. Solid. Those, it is coming up. Yep. Time is moving fast. Yeah, it's pretty fucking insane.

Yeah. Absolutely. So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Okay. And apologies for our Monday episode about Milo. We'll get back to Alex. Sorry. Yeah, no.

Somehow that's the relief. Yeah. So here we're going to be talking about November 22nd, 2025. Okay. This is Saturday. Alex should have the day off. But instead, Marjorie Taylor Green has quit. Right.

And he's got to get on air and do something. We have reached the day that shit has finally gotten real. Yeah. So we'll get to business on. this, but first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wanks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Suzanne from Australia. I can probably marry one of you to green card you out of the country.

The snakes aren't a problem, but the spontaneous combustion is. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy won't. Thank you very much. Jordan is already married, but... That's true. I feel like I shouldn't talk about this on air lest it ruined my ability to actually do this.

That's a good point. That is a good point. But thank you for the offer. Yes. Next, Nate Dogg, A.k-a-A. Ozzie Matt Damon. Thank you so much. You're a policy walk. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. And hey Josh, don't break your Ta-U-Army like a loser little titty baby. Thank you so much. You're now, palsy walk. I'm a policy won't. Thank you very much. And we got a technocrat at the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Dr. Duck-Tape Hands. Not a real doctor, but I needed a costume for a college Halloween party. And all I had was duct tape anestethoscope. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser, little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so very much. Did you ever play Edward Forty Hands?

No, I did not. I have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what Edward Forty Hands is? Oh, yep. Back? Nope. Nope. What do you think it is? I'm back. I'm back. What do you think it is?

You tape some 40s to your hands. Both hands. You better believe it. You need somebody else to help you with the second one. Oh, yes, you do. You can't do both by yourself. And then you can't take them off until they're both empty. Sure. And so it's a race.

Was that also part of the Edward Scissorshands thing? You have to cut enough hair to get the scissors on? No, but Edward Cesar Zand didn't drink too. Well, for obvious reasons. You're just dumb college kids. Yep, yep. I did that a couple times. You did that a couple of times.

That's too many times. That's one too many times. The first time I'm so glad my friends were there. Right. Because I wanted to slam them together in celebration. Yep, yep, yep, yep. No, that makes sense. Because I had drank 240s and I didn't realize like, oh, wow, that would slice my hand off.

So thankfully, thankfully someone talked to me down from that. That's nice. Yeah. So anyway, here we are. It would be different to do this show if you had a hook hand. Yeah. Better. Yeah, maybe.

So before we get to today's episode, I have a couple of out-of-context drops for you. So here's the first one. The people that don't know, this show's like jazz. Yeah, man. It's about the words you don't say. Yeah. Scatting, improvisational. This is like jazz.

Yeah. I don't know how to suck Obama's dick. I can't do it. I don't know how. I can't do it. That raises a lot of interesting questions. Right? Like, is there a specific way that it should be done that we're not aware of?

Like, is there a presidential dick-sucking technique? Well, maybe. But I do think that the way he's talking makes it sound like it's a deficiency of skill or knowledge on his part. I just don't know how to do it. Right. I would if I could. Every time I get down there. and then suddenly I've got a boxing glove

and I punch it right in there. I don't know what I'm doing. And that's jazz. And that's jazz, baby. So on the evening of Friday, November 21st, Marjorie Taylor Green posted her official resignation announcement on Twitter. She'd been one of Trump's strongest supporters in Congress, but she wouldn't give up on getting the Epstein stuff released

even after Trump lashed out at his base and got most of them back in line. Trump started posting all kinds of bad shit about her on Twitter, calling her Marjorie Taylor Brown and branding her a trade. which she said resulted in a wave of harassment and threats being sent at her. Sure. So she quit. Her statement was very poorly written, but the point of it was clear. She was claiming her position as an America first person, which was different than a

make America great again person, which is what Trump and his administration had become. Right. They'd sold out the common American by catering to special interests, and they weren't the party that she wanted to be a part of anymore. Right. Plus, the cult leader of the party was being a real asshole to it. and saying that he was going to help whoever ran against her in the GOP primary in her district. Sure.

In her announcement, she said that she didn't want, quote, My sweet district to have to endure a hurtful and hateful primary against me by the president we all fought for, only to fight and win my election while Republicans will likely lose the midterms. And in turn, be expected to defend the president against impeachment after he hatefully dumped tens of millions of dollars against me and tried to destroy me. it's also absurd and completely unsurious. I refuse to be a battered wife hoping it all goes away and gets better. Hmm.

A lot of what she's saying is true, like that the Trump administration is absurd and completely unsurious. And what makes it all very funny is that Marjorie Taylor Green saying that in 2025 is what we're seeing. Yep. She's absurd and completely unsurious. Yep. Trump's been absurd and completely unsurious this whole time. Mm-hmm.

She didn't just realize that Trump is a piece of shit. it now. She's known this the whole time, but it's now come to a place where there's no path forward for her. Trump put her in a position where she had to either do a total 180 on things like Epstein and aid to Israel, or she had to do this. It's a savvy move on her part, and I think it's the right thing to do for her career in the long run, but if we just look at what she's saying, it kind of boils down to her quitting because politics is too hard. Her quitting doesn't help any of her constituents and if anything, it weakens the power of whatever positions she hopes to see represented in Congress. She made an assessment that her primary would be ugly. She'd probably win and then

be in the GOP minority after the midterms. The Democrats will likely try to impeach Trump a bunch times and the Trump cult that she helped create will demand that she support the king. She doesn't want to do that and I guess it's not an option to vote to impeach Trump or to just not vote to abstain. I mean, come on. Effectively, what she's saying by quitting is that the stakes for her to have principles are too high. So she's better off leaving office. Trump has created a political status quo where she probably understands that if she were to be in office post midterms and didn't fight against an impeachment, even after Trump had tried to help primary her, one of Trump's fans might kill her. Sure.

She's played her games and now it's not fun anymore, so she quit. She served just long enough to qualify for a congressional pension. so legitimately there's nothing else left for her to do in government. You got to get out. Yeah, now is a good time. Her retirement is a great move for herself personally, but it also puts people in the right-wing media in a horrible position. The fact that she quit makes it clear that quitting is an option

and that breaking with Trump is possible. This is the last thing that Alex needed right now because it only further illustrates how captured his show is. If he took any of the stuff he pretends to care about seriously, he would have been way ahead of MTG on this, but he's not. He's bending over backwards, making excuses for Trump, and now what is he supposed to do about Marjorie Taylor Green? Should he be mad at her for quitting and shitting on Trump on the way out?

Or should he applaud her for sticking to her principles that he's supposed to also follow? What does he do? I'm going to go with the former. Well, maybe neither, maybe both, maybe all of it. We'll see. So yeah, I just, I think that he's up against it. Yeah, I mean, it is, it's hard to believe that anybody allowed her to write that without like a clown sort of mask on her or somebody with a big rubber hand slapping her while it's being said.

Something along those lines because you're not allowed to say that. Sure, all the things that you said are true. Sure. that's fine. Yeah, it's fair enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's just silly that you're now trying to use beating up on the very thing that is. Yeah, come on now.

This is the only reason you're successful and now shitting on it is supposed to propel you to the next stage of whatever your scam is. Yeah. And just, no, you should go down with the ship. It is the more eloquent way of saying, I should know, I'm them, you know. Like, of course they're evil. I do it. Yeah. So obviously, Alex saw all this.

going down and it's big news. So he had to get on air. But he also realized that it was another big day is the anniversary of when a president got killed. It is Saturday, November 22nd, 2025. I am your embattled host, Alex Jones. Thank you for joining us on this Saturday morning slash afternoon emergency transmission. It is 1034 Central.

This is the 62nd anniversary of the assassination by the very same global. of steep state that's handed on power literally to its children and grandchildren of Robert F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas at D.A. Plaza. Really the leading Kennedy expert, Roger Stone, will be joining us. Oh, I thought Robert F. Kennedy would be. Less than an hour from now. Wrong Kennedy, buddy. It's easy.

It's an easy mistake to make. I mean, you know, it is unfortunate that so many of those guys have been assassinated. Two of them. It is enough to really confuse who and when was assassinated when. Sure. That's tough. That's a tough family. I think that it's fun that we're doing this instead of focusing solely on Marjorie Taylor Green just fucking quit Congress.

I mean, it's an anniversary that needs to be, I don't know if celebrated is the right word. So you get Roger Stone is going to be coming on. Of course. And obviously, you don't want to be having a back and forth with Roger Stone about Marjor Taylor Green right now. I think he might have some choice words to say. So I think a strategic middle ground was reached. Kennedy. No, Alex is just like, I'm going to let you host.

Oh, okay. Alex just leaves. I'll be damned. Yeah. He just says like, Roger, you're the JFK expert. Take it over. Take over the show. Do as long as you want.

And I think it's specifically to avoid a back and forth between them. Sure. Because shit's bad right now. And you know what Roger thinks. Yeah. Yeah. It's essentially like, hey, uh, Roger. seriously, I've said so many times, how do we turn this around for Trump?

How do we turn this around for Trump? Because nobody was jumping ship. Nobody was jumping ship. But now that the rats are starting to jump ship, shouldn't I jump? I'm a rat. I am a rat. When everyone around is an unrepentant brazen, scamy liar, then it means that everyone gets to be that.

When someone has integrity, it makes everyone who doesn't look like shit. It feels so stupid. Even if it's pretend integrity. Even if it's this fake, strategic shit that she's doing, it calls out everyone else's game and it's a threat to them all. Yep. So Alex teases that he's got a big old story from inside sources. Sure.

Now, there's a lot I can't tell you because it'll expose sources in the White House. The source of this has nothing to do with Ed Martin. who simply investigated the deep state's attacks on me and then Todd Blanche, the deputy AG, ordered those investigations killed and that's just an example of what the Democrat Party lawyer that Trump, for some reason, trust, who's now the deputy AG is up to and he runs a Justice Department.

Now, if you haven't heard this yet, when I say this, this is not satire, this is not a joke. and I asked Ed for comment on this this morning, and he just said, no comment. And, but I have my sources in the White House and other places, very high level that I talked to last night this morning. And when I learned about this last night, it hit me really hard because what I'm about to tell you,

I know it's going to hit you hard. And I'm just going to say it point blank, I'm not a bandwagon person. I don't pile on when other people are doing something. something, but I know MTG well. She's a woman of incredible integrity, brought up poor, self-made, very successful construction company, a woman of great integrity. She announced last night that she is resigning.

I predicted on the Tuesday broadcast. She didn't tell me this, but I talked to her at length. And it sounded to me like she was thrown in the towel just because she can't be part of something that's, quote, a lesser of two evils. Alex really shouldn't frame this how he has because if Marjorie Taylor Green is resigning because she can't accept the lesser of two evil stuff, that just means that Alex is making peace with the lesser of two evils. Totally. This is what I meant when I said that there's no good way for Alex to cover this. She's an enemy of Trump, and Alex is supposed to be a Trump media surrogate at this point.

So any attempt he makes to soften the coverage of Marjorie Taylor Green is going to look weird. Yeah. He should hate her. That's the only position that's viable within the. the media space that he's carved out for himself. Yep. He has to fundamentally change his relationship with Trump or hate her. Right.

That's it. Yeah. I mean, I think MTG should really be grateful that we don't live in Russia. Mm-hmm. Because, you know, you don't have somebody resign. You just remove them from the photographs. And then you don't need to worry about this whole like, oh, she's going to say bad things about me. She's gone from the photographs.

You know, she can't say. anything about you. Right. You know, so there are some freedoms. Maybe someone hits her with an umbrella at some point. I mean, I, if I, if it was Trump's birthday, let's say, I wouldn't open the door for fucking anybody. I'm keeping that door strongly closed and I'm hiding somewhere all day. Yeah. The making it national parks free on Trump's birthday, that's a trick. Yep. You're trying to lure Marjorie Taylor Green. You're going to get her. You're going to get her. That's what you're doing. I've seen this, I've seen this play on so many times before. Yeah. Yep. Also, what's with that shit about Todd Blanche and Ed Martin at the beginning there.

Anytime Alex is saying that he has all these high-level sources and takes a lot of time to specify how it's not a particular person, I'm pretty comfortable with thinking that Alex wants me to believe that it's that person. So when he says, I'm not getting this from Ed Martin, I think you're getting it from Ed Martin. If he says, I'm not getting this, then the very next name is the name he is getting it from. Yeah. He can't not do that.

So Alex is talking about Marjorie Taylor Green resigning. Sure. He's brought up sort of some spinning plates of Ed Martin and Todd Blanche over here that'll come back into play later. And he doesn't know what he thinks. How can you not know what you think? He's conflicted. How? I'm going to have to reflect on this, and I'm going to have to pray about it, and I'm going to take a few weeks on it, I think, is the most important thing to do.

But I'm not a person that is normally conflicted. I think I have a lot of knowledge, a lot of depth, a lot of stuff. sources, a lot of context. And when I do get conflicted on something, I just have to go to God with it and pray about it a lot. You know the answer, dumb, dumb. David talked about the quiet place,

the most high. It's 2.30. And then I'm going to make my decision. Stop drinking. And I tell us me tonight. I'm not making my decision. But I am seriously inches away from not supporting Trump anymore.

Which time? Because I am not going to watch him commit political suicide. And I am not going to be drugged down with the rest of the country with him. Now, that said, in general, on issues and policies, he gets a 95. And I love Trump. He was protected by God. I know the inside baseball. He's the real deal.

But by the real deal, he really loves America. He thinks he's doing the right thing. He has serious blind spots. I just imagine Alex praying about whether he should support Trump. Trump anymore and God being like, who cares? God does not care. It's way too late for Alex deciding not to support Trump to mean anything because if it were a decision based on principle, then it would have already been made. Trump's been consistently acting in ways that cross Alex's imaginary red lines and he's been more than happy to support it all and yell about how all this

unconstitutional shit Trump is doing is totally constitutional. But now Alex is conflicted. What changed now is that Marjorie Taylor Green has taken an action that has the subtext of shit or get off the pot, and everyone in Alex's position gets that message clearly. She's doing what all of them should have done a long time ago, if they cared. But as long as someone in a high-powered position didn't do something like this, they were all able to pretend that it's just impossible. Nick Fuentes turned on Trump, but that's fine because he's a weird little Nazi kid. It's very easy to say that he didn't turn on Trump over principles.

It was just because of his weird Israel obsession and hatred of the Jews. MTG is a high-level defection from Trump that isn't easy to spin, and she isn't going to disappear from public life. She's going to build her new brand on being the person who walked away from what could have been a lifelong career in Congress because the party left her. Alex is saying that he needs a while to pray on this and see what God tells him, because he doesn't know how it's going to go for her yet. If the move is super profitable for her and she comes out on top,

God's going to tell Alex that he should follow her example. God's so good like that. Yeah, God's probably also going to tell him that he should pretend that he did it first. Oh, yeah, for sure. If she's crushed under the weight of Maga harassment or possibly killed, God may tell Alex that the lesser of two evils isn't so bad from a business standpoint. Maybe you should just cool it. It's going to be helpful when Alex claims that he did it first,

that he has done it so many times of the past. Yeah. You know, so there is, there is that. There is the laying of seeds. If you can be like, I left him 10 years ago whenever he did blankety blank, you know. Yeah. God tells Alex things. He gives him predictive visions.

Alex is able to tell like the minute of fucking shooting happens that it's fake. Yeah. Now I need a few weeks to prey on Marjorie Taylor Green. It would be. It would be interesting to me. Right. So, you know, magic's real. We've already established that that's true.

It would be interesting to me if Gene Hackman was actually Alex's last chance. Like it was save Gene Hackman or you're done. Or again, possibly kill Gene Hackman. Oh, yeah, yeah, regardless of the... Do something. What's important is that he should have been there. Yes. He should have been there.

Him not being there in some way was a fundamental betrayal of God's plan. Yep, and that cannot be allowed. So all of this and all of the darkness that will follow is, Purely because Alex was not there when Gene Hackman faced his maker. That's it. Yeah. I think that's clear. Okay, so maybe, okay, we think about it in a way of like he had to kill Gene Hackman or he had to save Gene Hackman.

What if Gene Hackman, like Alex needed to save his soul? Right. Okay. Like a, like a quantum leap kind of style. Okay. Gene Hackman's soul is critical. in the battle between good and evil. Because nobody can inspire an Indiana basketball team

quite like Gene Hackman. Exactly. Yeah. And so Alex needed to convert Hackman to God before he died. Right. Or else he would die and go to hell and become a very influential demon. If Satan's got the Hackman on his side, God knows what he could do.

Yeah, you're screwed. Yeah. Yeah, that's trouble. We've got a lot to worry about. Their five-man game is fucking strong. is so much more fun than worrying about reality. Yep. So we brought up Todd Blanche and Ed Martin at the beginning, and here's where they come back

into play. Todd Blanche, the deputy AG, I just can't believe this is happening. When I saw this last night, then I made calls last night, and this morning I got calls back, and people trust me, so I get told what happens in cabinet meetings, you name it, as I broke it many times you've seen. that I have to be careful how I say or what I bring out because it identifies things. And these people are getting ready to go public too. I mean, it's just you just can't take it anymore.

I'm not going to sit here and watch this done to our country. And I'm not trying to make Todd Blanche the demon. I've seen what he's done to me personally, but that was just one sign. And I even said, at the time, even before the DOJ started investigating what was done to me by the Deep State and the DOJ, that man, you got bigger fish to fry. But Ed Martin's like, this is our mission, this is what we do, and they were very sloppy with you. So the DOJ funded these attacks on you, that's illegal. And what you heard in the news was just part of the investigation was much larger, and I'm going to stop there.

And of course, they know it's not just Ed Martin. Ed Martin, in a good way, gets blamed for all the stuff that's going on, the good things. and he did make that comment to me and I know people in and around him it's funny because there is other prosecutors and other groups out there that are loyal to the country and care that are also doing a lot of great stuff and a lot of people with DHS

that's really where you've got a larger portion of people that are ready to take action to save the country. An example would be Tom Homan. But I'd be careful here just because most of this is off record but here's what's not off record. Todd Blanche has opened up a grand jury

and then when I made calls there's more than one, it's not just in Maryland, specifically targeting Ed Martin and other top government officials that Trump specifically brought in and hired to do the job of going after corruption in the deep state. So this isn't inside stuff that Alex is getting from like cabinet level sources. ABC News reported on November 20th, two days before Alex did this episode, that Ed Martin was facing scrutiny from the Department of Justice and possibly being invested. over sharing sensitive investigative materials with unauthorized people.

Hmm. His dissemination of that material runs the risk of tainting ongoing investigations that the DOJ is pursuing, like mortgage fraud cases against Adam Schiff or Letitia James. One of the reasons that Alex is constantly saying that he's not getting this new information from Ed Martin, is that a lot of people think that Alex is the person Martin disseminated unauthorized information to, which is what jeopardizes these cases and is likely getting Martin, trouble with the DOJ. Right.

Alex has a habit of bragging on his show about knowing Ed Martin and saying that Martin has given him inside scoops, even about the Schiff and James cases. So it's not that much of a leap to assume that he's the root of the problem here. He's one of the most unauthorized voices you could disseminate things too. Yeah. I would, if there are like levels of unauthorized, he would be all the way at the top or the bottom, whichever you require. Yeah.

This is an interesting play on Alex's part, what he's doing here, because, it seems like he's trying to connect Marjorie Taylor Green's resignation with Todd Blanche, like he's the reason that she quit. It has no connection to reality, but this will be the way that Alex tries to market his own quitting team Trump if it comes to that. It will all be Todd Blanche's fault and Trump's final sin will not be supporting Ed Martin enough in the battle with Todd Blanche. Yeah. But more likely than not, this is just like in case.

It feels like there. is an opportunity, right? So you've got your regular conspiracy theorist with the board, with all the red strings, just connecting it to the person at the top, right? But I had not considered that there could be a circle of conspiracy theorist with their own boards, based upon the same board, all of them pointing to a different person in order to confuse the initial conspiracy theorist who was perhaps correct, right? So now we've got multiple conspiracy theory boards kind of crisscrossing in and out. out of each other.

And that's where Alex is. He's creating a completely separate, like, board. Yeah. And that's the difference of, like, the beginning of his career and the end of his career. Wow. And the end, like, the beginning of his career, there was a monoculture of, like, conspiracy shit. Sure.

Where he was able to be like, I have the board. I'm showing you the board. The board. Yeah. The number one board. And now everybody has their own boards. And he's not doing a great job with his board. No.

No. His board is just an option of a hundred different boards that are internally inconsistent. They contradict each other. Yep. And, yeah, there's no value to his board anymore. There's too many goddamn boards out there. It's true. Everybody fucking calm it down.

Get the Carson of boards back up here. That's what we're needing. Yeah. Or needing to destroy. Yeah, exactly. And he does not, he's not made peace yet with the idea that that's not his position anymore. Now, you're not even Kimmel, buddy. So Alex rambles a bit about how the deep state has attacked him and he's a victim.

Oh, no. I had all these grand juries in panel by Letitia James. She went and got federal ones in panel when she was the AG. She did the referrals from the state. Some of them hit the news. Some didn't I had to spend millions of dollars that, thank God you gave me to keep me on air because that's the fight to battle these people. And when they went to the grand juries, even in Democrat areas, they could not get indicted. I was indicted. The Washington Post reported, and I don't know it was accurate. I've been told this.

It's a 25-page report a few years ago in D.C. for January 6th. And then Merrick Garland killed it because they knew I was there saying don't go in the building. Huh? And they said, this is too obvious. And that's a tactic when they can't get the big fish. They'll go after the smaller one. That's why they threw Owen in prison was a message. Look, guys, I know you want to put me in president. I understand that's why I have to fight you. I am a good person.

I don't even speed anymore, maybe 10 miles over the speed limit. I mean, I'm literally a Boy Scout. And so I don't feel fear or guilt over any of this. I see you as a threat. I don't run. I fight. And I've had these guys reach out to me, you know, and all the rest of it. I mean, just like you guys did by General Flynn,

you want to get me in some meeting about God knows what so you can then say I lied to federal officers. I'm not stupid. There's a lot of other stuff going on behind the scenes. I just want them to know, like, I don't have an 80 IQ, guys, okay? And when it comes to street knowledge and being in the wars for this country and the info war, I've got a 200 IQ, okay? When it comes to street smarts.

But, I mean, if you had street smarts of a canary, you know that. Do canaries have? So for listeners, you know that the real war started when we got Trump back in. Just like I told Roger Stone in election in 2016. He goes, oh, my God. it's so great. We're going to turn the country around. We're saying everybody. We're sitting smoking a cigar and drinking scotch at like 3, 4 a.m. And I said, Roger, he's told a story many times. I said, Roger, the war just began.

So this seems really dumb. If Merrick Garland chose not to prosecute Alex, then it seems like they don't prosecute people for things that they didn't do. If they just lock up anyone who they want, they can indict a ham sandwich. Then who cares if Alex didn't do anything wrong on January 6th. They should have just jammed him up anyway. Why not? Yeah, it's ridiculous. No one would have, yeah. It passed the grand jury and then they're like, oh no.

Why did it start to begin with then? What if the judge throws out our case? Right. Crazy. If Owen had actually done nothing wrong, then it would seem like maybe they were trying to send Alex a message. But Owen was violating a deferred prosecution agreement by being at the Capitol that day because he failed to complete his community service for another time he'd gotten arrested. Just do your community service, man.

Yeah, that's why he got in trouble. The full explanation. Yep. These people are all such losers, wrapped up in their own feelings of persecution, and that's always going to be the case no matter how you treat them. Everyone who was involved in January 6th got away from it very lucky, because in a lot of circumstances, that should have turned into a bloodbath. Alex is lucky he survived. Everyone who went to jail and then got pardoned by Trump are lucky they survived and aren't in a hole for the rest of their lives. they were all involved consciously or unwittingly in some deeply seditious shit.

And rather than being persecuted, they were all treated with the babyest level of kid gloves. And I'm not saying that they, like everyone should have been shot or whatever. But sure. You look around the world and you look at parallels to like comparable instances of people storming capital buildings. Yeah. And shit. And this was pretty, this was dealt with pretty softly. They should be.

Well, I mean, it is good that we are not run by a narco-terrorist king, but it's not good that it seems like we're getting closer and closer by the day, especially considering now we're just like grabbing stuff and taking it from Venezuela all the time. We're just like, as is ours now, man. It's on a boat. I really feel like maybe we're fucking with Venezuela too much. But they have boats. I don't know if we can just take them, man.

I think that there's a doctrine that says on the water, I shall take. This is ours now. I mean, yeah, we're pirates. We're privateers. We grab other countries, ships and then take them over. Right. Yeah. I mean, hey, what are you going to do?

See, it's according to jurisprudence. Right. and English common law and the Magna Carta and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I feel like I feel like the hippos were got more legally you know what I mean

like whenever Escobar is out there just like grabbing illegal hippos that makes more sense to me than if he was just taking people's boats and I'm pretty sure he did just take people's boats Yeah probably Yeah look we're not in great waters Literally

But Alex, yeah, Alex is, he needs to calm down to this persecution complex. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe a little too much. But, you know, he is, he is a lot of things. Mm-hmm. A liar. Sure. Fraud. Yeah.

Sad man. Definitely. Profit. Not Escobar. Futurist. Yeah. Academic. Not savior.

You care about your children, your grandchildren. I'm talking to everybody out there. Listen to me. I'm a real analyst, intellectual, historian futurist, okay? I know my shit. In what? And I'm like trying to get the establishment, the captains here, to steer us out of this iceberg-filled jungle we're in, or the whole fucking ship's going to go down. And so you guys keep threatening me and doing all this stuff.

You think, why don't you go away? Why don't you stop? Why don't you take the payoffs? Why don't you roll over to us? What, I mean, I take a payoff from you guys? This doesn't happen with Blanche. This happened with the people above them, years ago. We're just going to the world at the time.

50 million a year to you personally and you'll run this whole organization but we'll be in charge or we're going to destroy you and I said where you're going to take us is destroy us what I take a payoff and sit on the deck of the Titanic and go down with it I mean if it was boss hog you guys were just doing this or that but you were better than the other groups and then and the ship was going to make it to New York I kicked my feet up and say get me some champagne and some caviar the fucking ship's going into a goddamn iceberg sure sure family show yep so Alex has said this kind of thing constantly over the years, where he would be fine with the globalists if they were just like Boss Hog, the evil county commissioner from the Dukes of Hazard.

And I guess that makes some sense, because, you know, Hogg was the antagonist of a comedy show from the 70s. Sure. So if people who wanted to run the world were similar to him, I wouldn't be all that interested in fighting them either. We could just leave that up to a couple of moonshine running brothers from the south. They handled him so well. Yeah, he's a goofy caricature.

Yep, yep, yep, yep. But on further examination, it makes sense that Alex would be. fine with Boss Hog. He's super corrupt and owns pretty much every business in Hazard County, including infrastructure and the press. He's not the good guy. His brother-in-law is Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane, so he extends his influence into law enforcement. He's the richest guy in town and can pay off anyone. So on a micro scale, he's exactly like the globalist that Alex hates so much. So what makes him different? Well, for one thing, Boss Hog wasn't into worshiping Satan, which is probably because this was a goofy TV show

and that would be a little bit out of place here. Probably. Another difference is that Hogg doesn't kill people which again is probably because of network TV standards at the time. Sure. Third, his plans are mostly get rich quick schemes as opposed to the globalists who want to destroy the world

and again, I think this is a TV show thing. Well, I mean, I would say there's a lot of very similar get rich quick schemes going on with the people that he's interested in. Sure. If Boss Hogg was trying to destroy the world, You can't just let him go at the end of the episode and use him again next week. In order for him to be a character on the show, you need his crimes to be minor enough that they can avoid the death penalty.

So there's a little bit of screenwriting here. Sure. But probably most importantly, Boss Hogg's real name is Jefferson Davis Hogg. And he was named after the president of the Confederate States of America. Well, I mean, obviously he was named after the president of the Confederate States. There are no other famous Jefferson Davis is in America. He's a big old racist, which is a huge reason. of why Alex would be fine living under his form of tyranny.

Sure. Alex uses this construction, the idea that if the globalists were just like Boss Hog, he wouldn't be fighting them as a way to make the globalists sound worse. But if you think about it for even a couple of minutes, it makes Alex look way worse. Hmm. Why wouldn't he fight Boss Hog? That dude was a petty dictator over the whole county, and he specifically used his power to make the lives of individual residents worse.

Alex is supposed to be the guy who's mad at corruption, but he has no problem with this kind of corruption, which makes you think that maybe it's not corruption that he wants to fight so badly. No. He kind of tells on himself a little bit. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, he, like most people with a lot of money,

tends to believe that people should be kept in line. Mm-hmm. Whatever order is more important. Yeah. Because the people can't be trusted. They're just chickens with their heads got off, running around, Willie Nils. Really?

And Boss Hog would probably agree on that. Yeah. And if you're, if you are against Boss Hog, canonically, you have a very specific car with a very specific flag on it. Mm-hmm. So. You know what? It turns out that the good guys and the bad guys on this show have something in common.

It feels like maybe there's not that much difference between the two of them at the end of the, at the end of the day. What about Cooter? I don't really know Cooter that well. You don't know Cooter? No, I don't. This guy. Nope.

fucking guy. He wants to comment on the General Lee and doesn't know about Cooter. Yeah. Anyway, Alex is mad at Todd Blanche. Where was, where's Andy Griffith lie on the, on the Civil War? You know, I haven't really considered that. We never really dealt with the Confederate flag and Andy Griffith. Well, there was a great, great episode of Bananas for Bonanza, where they're talking about

how one of the Cartwright boys was mad at the union. Oh, yeah, they both, they were, they were on the side. of the Confederacy. They picked aside for sure. Yeah. Andy Griffith, he's too foxy for war. Well, that's smart.

That's smart. So Alex, he's at war. Sure. With Todd Blanche. With the Todd Blanche. And it's getting ugly. I get the phone calls. I get the threats.

I get the, what do you want stuff? What do I want? I want you to stop running the country into an iceberg, dumbass. Can you think second, third, fourth order? Todd Blanche. you get brownie points with your buddies the democrats when you're trying to indict trump's

attack dogs and by the way we've been under attack we need attack dogs oh cool i was gonna say there's a war you think men do we can get piled on and attacked and lied about you want to put us all in prison well you guys committed a bunch of crimes so fuck you fuck you we don't know how to lie down i don't know how to get on my knees you can pull your pecker out have me suck it so you feel powerful. I don't know how to suck your dick, Blanche. Whoa. Okay, family show.

This is drifting quite a ways away from Marjorie Taylor Green. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's strange. I mean, I definitely would say that it would undercut his message if he was like, I specialize in foot jobs. That would really take it down a notch.

Can we make a deal? Can we listen. You don't even. want it. I don't use enough spit. I have a very dry mouth. My teeth are everywhere. Let's meet in the middle. No, absolutely. And my feet are surprisingly dainty. Yeah, this, this is all just, uh, I do think it was a good save on his part with the attack dogs thing. Yeah. You're trying to stop Trump's attack dogs. We need attack dogs. Hold on. You're trying to indict the people who drop forces to commit crimes for him. Yeah. Oh yeah. Wait, no,

but they're good now. Yeah. Because everyone else commits crimes. Right. Great. Fuck you for committing crimes So Alex is at war Sure And I think that we've heard him talk about this recently And make a commitment Do you remember what his commitment was? No

He was gonna stop doing something Something that he loves very much Speeding? No I don't remember He said he was going to stop watching movies Oh my God That's what he was going to stop doing

What movie did he watch? Running Man Yeah there was Neighborhood watch or whatever He could go to the extreme like the running man boy I saw that last night boy I saw that excellent only a little bit of political

correctness in it super cheesy the max wow I haven't seen Hollywood make a decent action film in years I thought I was hallucinating I'm gonna see it again Edgar Wright's great so PTSD for when I've been through

I tell you I'm the we're the running man I'll tell you so and how rigged everything is and now every step of the way they just say join us now it's never too late betray this person go on no no no no I'm like watching this movie and I'm like wow I'd actually live this but in the information war yeah makes sense yep I like you were you're saying that he like he's only going to watch one movie a month like he's got he's got to be so committed to the info

but he's like I'm going to see this again you got to wait a month man you can't do this your commitment to this info war thing is a little false Yeah, I mean, I would even go so far as to say, I don't think that's a good commitment to the Info War. Only watching one movie a month? I mean, you got to cut them all out, or you just got to let movies happen when they happen. But also, like, the information war is about predictive programming and all that shit. So you've got to watch a ton of movies. Well, movies are also part of the information war.

It's studying. So you have to watch the movies. Yeah, dick. By not watching the movies, you're actually doing a disservice to the information war. Yeah. You're focusing on the wrong thing. Also, I've not seen the running man. I don't know if you ended up seeing it.

But I bet there's more PC stuff in it than he thinks. I mean, yeah, I mean, Edgar writes usually pretty on the nose about it. But, you know, I do miss Sub-Zero. I would have liked, I'm a big Sub-Zero fan. Sure. I'm a huge with the original running man. He was on ice. At a hockey stick?

Yeah, he had a good, it was very sharp. It was a sharp hockey stick. Yeah. I thought he had a good chance, but no, Schwarzenegger won in the end. So another movie, Dracula. Which Dracula? Is there a new Dracula? No, there's a bunch of them, though.

There's a bunch of them, though. There have been so many. They have made a lot. And so in this next clip, Alex rambles around a bit, comparing Todd Blanche to Dracool. Okay. What do you think? Trying to indict Ed Martin and people make them go away?

Not opposite's going to happen. Trying to destroy Trump with your bosses, you know, before the Democrats. How'd that work out for you? See, you're not dealing with it asleep public anymore. You thought you had an intimidated public before. The vast majority were sleep. Some were intimidated.

No, no, no, no, no, no. You got a fight now. You ain't a vampire sneaking in at night, drinking some blood out of somebody's throat. You're a vampire trying to flap through the window at high noon and have a little snack. He would be dead. All we got to do is open the drapes. What happens? You're literally, Blanche was supposed to say.

You're like Count Dracula climbing out of his coffin at like noon and just trying to go for a walk in the park. Is that advisable? Because seriously, that's like Count Dracula taking a hike outside at high noon. What happens to Count Dracula when he takes a hike outside at high noon? I mean, did you not think if you indict Ed Martin going up against the obvious corrupt Democrats? Because he actually finally squeezed through some indictments, forced it through, and it scares the shit out of you, people?

you think the answer is to put him in prison? Shunned. That's the opposite of being a rocket scientist. I don't know what the guys are mixing here. They'll say, this is a threat. Whatever, it's not a threat. I have no idea what the guys are mixing here on TV. This is Vlad the Impaler.

Oh, they just Googled something about Dracula, I guess. Yeah, and then that just came up. Just show a classic Dracula. Like, what's it? Who was the first Dracula, really famous one on movies? Bella Lagosie. Show that. They'll say,

Jones showed spears through him and it'll all be in front of some judge. I'm not mad at the crew. They're just typing stuff in like Dracula and that popped up. That's not a threat. I'm the absolute opposite of that. God Almighty.

So that was an unfortunate clip for the crew to pull up because it made the threatening tone Alex was using far too explicit to the point where Alex had to comment on it. He was describing Todd Blanche as being Dracula who would prefer to sneak in and kill people under the cover of night.

But now the public is awake to his vampirism. so he has to come around during the day, which will kill him because he's a vampire. The metaphor Alex is using is inherently violent. It's just that most people understand that violence against vampires is justified. There isn't a compromise you can make with Dracula. He wants to kill you for your blood, so the only thing you can do is kill him first. That's the idea that Alex is playing around with in his talk about Blanche. He's not actually a vampire, so the sun isn't going to kill him.

This is all a metaphor. The sunlight in this metaphor is public intimidation from Trump fanatics. In the sunlight, you can't go after Ed Martin because the lunatics in the base will launch harassment campaigns against you and possibly even kill you for trying. Marjorie Taylor Green had to live in the sunlight and she chose to quit rather than try to deal with the fanatical mobs of Trump supporters. She built a career on whipping into frenzies. This is what Alex and his type of folk in the media used to be able to offer a politician

or public figure. They could distract and redirect the attention of dipshits online. They were able to provide shade from that sunlight, or conversely, they could draw back that shade and force someone who was once their ally to face the public harassment that their distractions held at bay. This game doesn't work anymore, though, because the influence of various online idiots has become too diffuse. There's no monoculture of Trump fanaticism, and the factions have no interest in working together anymore. Alex can be trying to focus on this metaphorical sunlight on Todd Blanche, but there are other people with huge audiences who aren't willing to let Trump off the hook for his part in all this shit,

and there are plenty of other people with their own targets. I think the lesson that these folks should be learning is that none of them have the power to go into business for themselves, and that they only really can get anything done if they work together. They need to have a consensus target or else everything just gets too messy. And I think that Alex is instinct with scapegoating Todd Blanche. It's pretty good. And that it helps get Trump off the hook for a number of the inexcusable things that he's done. Like Todd Blanche is directly involved with Galane Maxwell.

Sure. Like going to interview her before she got taken to a nicer prison. Yep. There's a number of things that you could really scapegoat on him. I think in the past, this would have been a great call. But Alex is too personally invested for this to fly. He's one of the people that Ed Martin is likely in trouble for giving sensitive information. He's the reason that Ed Martin got in trouble with the Sandy Hook thing, like sending a letter

that they were going to go after the plaintiffs. Yeah, that one was probably bad. Alex can't credibly present himself as an independent voice in this. So no matter what he does, his yelling about how everyone needs to attack Blanche is always going to look personally biased. This is one of the many reasons that you can't get close to power. if you're someone who's pretending to be the kind of guy that Alex pretends to be. You can't have your own personal motives intersecting with the conspiracies that you promote.

It just is going to make it more difficult to get anyone to listen. It's like, oh, this is just you. This is your thing. Yeah. I think it's interesting that our culture has adopted Dracula in the way that it has. Because ironically, for Alex, Dracula is a great literary reference because it was borderline just, the great replacement theory in fictional form. So that kind of concept of the other is coming to take our shit.

That's right there built in there. And he doesn't even see that that is like what he is afraid of. It's fascinating. Yeah. But that's because people don't read anymore, Dan. No. People don't read. No, they don't.

People only see movies once or twice a month, maybe multiple times. So anywhere between five and seven movies per month. See, Alex needs to read the running man. Absolutely. No, not really. No? Man, Stephen King kind of... Listen, I don't have anything to say.

Whoa. I'm not starting shit. Whoa. I'm just saying that I saw a lot of stuff recently. Uh-huh. Like, the long walk. Sure. The It Welcome to Dairy.

But the long walk wasn't, like, I mean, he wrote that, but that's not like the movie isn't his fault. And then the Dark Tower is his fault. And, like, they're all his fault. They're all his fault. Okay. All right. What about the Shining?

I don't know why we keep doing it. I don't know why we keep doing it, buddy. Yeah, I don't know. I've never been a big Stephen King guy myself. But I don't need you to start a war with him. I would love to start a war with Stephen King. Our podcast is just getting off the ground. We can't afford a war with Stephen King.

I want to force him back to cocaine. That's what I want to do. Damn. Yeah, I'm hard. So you're making some big stands here. Absolutely. And I think that Alex is in the same kind of mood. where he wants to make an ultimatum

to Trump. Okay. But who cares? Who cares? You know what? Let's play MTG as this ties into it all and I'm going to come back and make my statement to Trump.

But I'll just kind of pre-cap it here. President Trump, you already let Bill Barr and all these traders in and you said you woke up and you didn't know what was happened before. If you have a deputy AG that we know is blocking all these investigations and as a Democrat and protecting Clapper and Brennan and all, and Jack Smith and the rest of him, and tried to block the Latisa James and,

indictment and is now trying to sabotage it, if you allow people like Todd Blanche to then persecute and prosecute your champions like Ed Martin and Pulte, I am not going to age you in your political suicide and my own destruction. I'll still unlike policies that you're doing, support it, but we need to win the midterms and we need to get this done. And so how you're screwing this up, I have no idea. Who cares? Win the midterms? Yeah. Who cares?

What? Yeah. We need to win the midterms. Yeah. That's Alex Jones now. That's Alex Jones now. Jesus Christ. I imagine anybody who thought like, you know, they were part of something that's like really revolutionary and shit.

That'd be done. It has to feel bad to hear Alex saying that. And it has to give you a feeling of like, why do you care about this? But then even if you're Trump or like someone in the Trump administration, how could you care if you heard this from Alex? This is such impotent rage. Ridiculous. It's just whining.

What a weird, what a weird distance to travel so quickly. So, so from five years, we went from, I don't know, let's just take it over to we got to win the midterms. Yeah. That's crazy. It's such, it's such a strange dynamic that I think I did feel a bit when listening and preparing. this episode that like he kind of has a feeling of like everything's normal. Yeah. You know, like, caring about the midterm seems so strange.

Crazy. You have to actually think that like, oh, the Dems are going to win and then it's going to be a real problem for me. What are they going to argue about most of the stuff he does? He just goes, I think I do this today. And then nobody knows how to stop him. Yeah. Because we're all children, I guess.

I think emotionally on some level, he's still. living in a world where Hillary won. And like everything's a game. Yeah. And I don't think that... Yeah. If adults are in charge, the game is fun. That's just kind of how it is.

And I think he just can't wrestle with the amount of damage that he and his people have done to the world. It's hard to... It's hard to really wrestle with because it's so big. Yeah. And the ripples of it are four-dimensional. Like, you don't even know how bad you've made things yet. Yeah.

And they implicate Alex to... So I can understand why he wouldn't want to think about that. I would feel pretty guilty. So look, man, Trump, all he had to do with Marjorie, just be classy. That's all he had to do. Be classy. Okay. Trump is not MAGA.

I'm not saying he's not part of MAGA. I'm saying, Make America Great again is really America first or restore the republic. And Trump has been a supporter of that for 50 years. He's a great guy. but he's not the ocean. We are the ocean. We are the people. He's the surf border that rode in on the wave,

and we support him if he stays true to that. But stuff like, oh, I'm glad MTG left. That's wonderful. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And calling her a traitor and all this other stuff is just really stupid and really hurts you in the poll numbers, and people really don't like it, and the polls are out. It was very damaging, and all you had to do was be classy about this.

All you had to do was be classy. Just be classy. I mean that it's like a fundamental misunderstanding of reality that makes me question my own understanding of reality. Like the idea of somebody like that going, just be classy and not recognizing

that this is the least classy person who is most aggressively attacked to the very concept of classy by putting McDonald's in a gold toilet. Like this is a disgusting, unclassy man. And that's what we're, why you liked him.

Yeah, but I think that recognizing that's why you liked him hurts. And I think that there is a need to be like all of that stuff that Trump was doing, attacking everybody and being a huge piece of shit. Right. Like, we liked that because we told ourselves it was strategic. Right. And if he were to be classy with Marjorie Taylor Green, instead of attacking her in the same way that he attacks everybody, we could tell ourselves that all that other stuff was

strategic, but this is so unstrategic that it calls into question what we pretended had meaning when it didn't. Yep. Well, I mean, yeah. Essentially, you would have to say, oh, this is a consequence of my actions. Yeah. I am responsible for what is happening. Yeah.

And that's just verboten. That is just the one thing that they cannot ever do. Yeah. We enjoyed this cruelty and awfulness because it was kind of, it kind of, it kind of, of worked. Yeah. And we are now in the thrall of a cruel, awful person. Yep.

Who is being cruel and awful to us. Right. And we want to pretend that it's a mistake. Especially because everybody told us this was going to happen. Yeah. Everybody. It's fucking obvious. Like thousands upon thousands of years of human history told us this was going to happen.

And we were like, maybe we got it this time. Yeah. He's cool. Yeah. Anyway, Marjorie told Alex some inside baseball stuff. Sure. basically about how Trump was covering up the Epstein things. Yeah.

And that's not great. Of course, telling me inside baseball and none of it was bad because I already know from other sources and from Trump's... Well, not bad. But he was reiterating it to her, but going a little further. And that's the sad part about it. Trump never touched an underage girl. There's no evidence the witnesses all of it. But he thinks these people are so high power to bring the country down.

and his goal is to save the country, and we have a disagreement. So he thinks covering it up, and plus the trail's old, and they hid the real evidence, and that's his deciding thing, is it's all crap and it's old, and they hit the real stuff, and I'm just moving on. You can pragmatically see that argument. You don't have to attack and savage people that disagree with you over the moral issue of not being able to make that decision you made, which I said I could understand. I didn't endorse because they'd stab you in the back.

Now, was I right, and I know, you guys reached out and agreed with me now I was right you were wrong Mr. President so I'm trying to get you to stop destroying yourself and us along with you while you have Bill Pulte over here trying to put us all in prison I thought I had three years to save the country before that new group tried to throw me in prison

no we don't have to wait they're trying right now yeah not just Martin me not stupid so thanks a lot pal you think I'm going to just go away because of that. Hey, Sonny, we can throw you in, oh, really? I didn't know that. How many times do you people have to do your little vague, vague threats to me? Just say it out loud, okay?

It doesn't work. In fact, it has the opposite effect. Don't you understand I'm a fighter? Alex said Bill Pulte there, but he just misspoke. You met Todd Blanche. Yeah. Pulte is another guy that Blanche might be investigating for leaking. information that could taint DOJ investigations.

What you hear in that clip is a man trying to reassure himself that he's always right and did everything right. It was totally cool that he came up with this rationalization for how Trump could cover up the Epstein stuff. This is the stuff that comes to mind for Alex when he covers Marjorie Taylor Green quitting because her resignation forces him to look in the mirror on this shit. The fact that she quit makes it too clear that Alex could quit. And then it raises the question, why hasn't he?

and Alex doesn't have a good answer, so he gets mad. I find it interesting that Alex thought that he had three years to save the country, which means that he knew that Trump would act in ways that would lead to a Democratic win in the 26 midterms, which would then get Trump impeached. Yeah. It's a telling insight into Alex's political mind because it tells you that he's still working on the same kind of business as usual framework. He thinks that if he could, he can't pull off this authoritarian overthrow of the country before those midterms, then the Dems will win.

impeach Trump and we'll be back to square one. We'll have a lame duck president, Vance, and then we'll have to start from scratch for the 2028 election. He doesn't seem to fully grasp how much his side is completely fucked up the idea of representative government and the damage that can't be undone. There's no normal to go back to. Yeah. Like, this is just shit.

No, we got to, we got to re-Ire just about everything. We got to reconsider some fundamentals. Absolutely. I don't, I don't think that there's anything. that's acceptable other than a real reckoning once this is over with what happened and how this happened and the damage that it did to countless American lives

and pretending that like oh yeah the Dems will win the midterm and impeach Trump and then maybe what? You're gonna go back to Rand Paul? The fuck are you gonna do? Yeah, I mean at a certain point if if Brutus was like, hey guys, let's impeach him. I think everybody would have gone, that's not going to be good enough these days.

That's just not how it's going to go, buddy. Yeah, and leaving aside whatever kind of consequence or whatever waits for Trump, like, this is your life for the rest of your life, Alex. Yep. You did this. You never can't not do it. Yeah. It's in the past.

This is your legacy, dipshit. Hey. So, anyway, look. Yeah. Trump, he didn't do any Epstein stuff. You know you're in the winning side of an argument when you're like, he didn't touch any underage girls. Mm-hmm.

Well, it's a critical distinction. Yeah. And Alex goes on to explain that Trump, you know, it's just like his friends are going to go down. He doesn't want that. Uh-oh. And what Trump's really worried about is a bunch of his business partners, not him, involved in a bunch of chicanery, because that's really what Epstein was doing. The girls was like beer nuts on the counter.

So it was kind of like a pedophile billionaire ring? Not the main course. As I told you, money laundering, hundreds of billions through Harvard alone over the decades, sending it out, sending it back, all of this USAID crap, all of it. And it's all coming out. I'm like, what are you worried about? I know Trump's business, he's not been involved in that. But he may fight with Harvard and their 54 million endowment.

He may do that stuff and try to get them to do what he wants, but he wants to be in charge of that all. He doesn't want to have the corruption anymore, but he wants to be, you know, he doesn't want to smash institutions. A couple of quick points. One, if your business partners are deeply involved in money laundering with a guy who ran a sex trafficking and blackmail operation, then you're almost definitely also involved in that money laundering. Yep. These aren't people you know. These are your business partners.

I don't think this is the defense Alex wants it to be. I think he doesn't realize what he's saying. You had to do due diligence and they gave you their numbers and you were like, oh, I want to get into it. business with you. We are business partners. Yep. Two, Alex is making it too obvious that Trump doesn't want to destroy these money laundering operations because he wants to run them. Yep.

This is also not the defense Alex wants it to be, but instead it makes Trump look like a mob boss who just wants to use the power of the state to intimidate his competition, which lines up with the way that Alex would have described Trump in 2015 before he decided that he was God's chosen ruler. It sounds exactly like that. It sounds almost freakishly like exactly. that. Trump doesn't want to destroy these things. He doesn't want the corruption. He just wants to run it. Right. He wants to run the corruption. See, he's using the chaos and the additional power at the

certain time to make a play for a larger amount of territory and power that he'll then use to make more. Oh, no, that's a mob boss. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I'm glad Alex is not, uh, uh, he doesn't have to decide to leave that yet. Now's not the time. You got to pray about it. You got to pray. Yeah, yeah, you got to pray. So Marjorie Taylor Green has quit. Trump has been a real asshole. Yep. And Laura Lumer has come out and celebrate it.

Yeah. Because she still loves Trump. She hates Marjorie Taylor Green. Oh my God. And she thinks that this is quite a victory. Yeah. And Alex is not happy. That's why I'm really mad at Laura Lumer.

Laura Lumer has been harassed. She's been driven out of the before. They've tried to put her in prison. She knows the stuff's real. I've been swatted. My family's been swatted. Moses Cruz's been swatted. She's, MTG's been swat over and over again on record. Look at all Republicans have been shot, killed, you name it.

Scalice, the list goes on and on. Look at Ron Paul attacked all those times. And Lord Limer said, oh, I called this town, and they didn't have a report of it. She called the wrong town. Plus, usually it takes days you can get a police report out. The point is, you don't think she's been threatened? You don't think people didn't come to her house. You don't think the left didn't false flag it, guaranteed, and Iraq.

her to try to push her out. I know it's them because conservatives really don't do that very often. And I said that. And she says, no, you are a liar. And then the thing was everybody, yeah, she's a liar. There's no one harassing her. I guess Todd Blanche isn't trying to indict Ed Martin either, right? Stop trying to make this all about Todd Blanche.

Not going to work. Come on, man. Not going to work. It's a little painfully transparent. But yeah, I like. I like this. Marjor Taylor Green was harassed and it was a false flag by the Democrats in order to make conservatives look bad. I like that. That I like. I like to never have responsibility for anything, to never be a party to anything even you are doing at the time. You can be in the middle of doing

something you personally and be like, look at all these leftists doing the thing I'm doing wrongly. I just had a fantasy of like Alex giving an apology for something. I'd like to apologize for my actions. they were a false flag. They were all these leftists who were inside of me at the time. Yeah. Crazy. So Laura Lumer needs to stop. Sure.

This has got to stop. I agree with that, but for very different reasons. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But Alex's take on this is basically like they need to stop because women, when they get to fighting. See, very different reasons.

Already out the gate. Very different reasons. Yep. Okay. And I'm not even trying to be mean to you or start a fight with you. Fine, come on the show. I just get your act together. You're smart.

You do a lot of great work for free speech before. So much what you do I agree with. And then you do this fighting with people stuff. You don't think I couldn't start a fight up with Nick Pointess or start a fight up with Nick Carlson or start a fight up with Candace Owens. It's just all of that. Notice Tucker doesn't do that. Other than when somebody poked at his dad. And I'm not mad at Nick.

Nick didn't understand what he was doing. I mean, the point is that. Yes, he did. Everybody does. Everybody understands. in junior high. They're choosing it. And you're not in junior high and you have a lot of power. You've got the president's here. And MTG is a good person. And I try to get you years ago to stop it. But see, old is the Bible or older women fighting each other and bringing down empires. I tell you.

I tell you. Absolutely insane. Name all those empires brought down by women fighting. I'll take my time. I'll take my answer off air. So many, so many emperors all brought to their knees by women fighting. Two women fighting each other. They just, oh, I do like the Tucker Carlson doesn't do that. Oh, wait, there was just a huge example of Tucker doing that. Absurd. And, yeah, Alex doesn't fight with Nick and Tucker now.

Yeah. But if it were advantageous to him, he would. That's what he did with Rogan. I mean, I, I, if Tucker were to turn on Alex, he would. fight him like crazy to try and get on the show again. Yeah. There is never an answer that it can be like boiled down to, he doesn't do that except for when he does that will ever be satisfactory.

No. That's ridiculous. How dare you? Especially, he doesn't do that except for when he does, which was very recently and very embarrassing. And then he had Nick on his show. Yeah. So I'm going to assume he's going to do that more than.

Yeah, probably. Yeah. So then, so when you see. say he never does that. When the mood strikes, he'll do that. Right. See, that's the thing. It's the mood that I don't want to like navigate around. Right, right, right. Yeah, but he's not a- He's not a woman.

Fair enough. Yeah. He's not going to take down an empire. He's not going to take down an empire, that's for sure. So we have one last clip. And Alex has It's just of the Chin Dynasty falling as two women argue. It's Alex has introduced Roger.

Yes. He's given Roger some topics. Sure. and stuff and done his like, Roger, hey, JFK. Right, no, but he kind of gave Roger a running start as if they were going to have an interview. Right. And so Roger answers some of his questions and then gets confused that Alex isn't there anymore. Of course. But they are looking down the road to civil war.

They're the ones who want a civil war. They're the ones who advocate violence. They're the ones who violate, who advocate insurrection. You can never forget their constant use of Olinsky's rules. Anything they accuse us of is always exactly, precisely, what they themselves are doing. But that's what you're doing. If I continue to... All right, great.

I am particularly glad I asked to come on today because it is the 62nd anniversary of the murder of President John F. Kennedy. this this whole shit it just feels like it's coming apart at the seams like these alliances can't hold yeah Alex has to be against marjorie taylor green if he wants to placate roger right he needs to be absolutely in step with trump if he wants to be able to exist in the same space as roger yeah so the compromise that it feels like is going on now is just like all right roger i'm not even going to be on air with you i'll see you i'll see you on the other side yeah if i can avoid uh getting into a place where we have to argue. I'm going to do that.

But that's not a permanent solution. No. And I think that over time, all we're seeing is more and more people who are in Alex's sphere in his orbit that are becoming a problem. Nick Fuentes is a problem for him. Yeah. Because he can say things that Alex can't. And Marjorie Taylor Green now is going to be a problem if he ever has her back on the show.

Yep. Because she is going to have a perspective he can't have. when he had people like Max Blumenthal on or Elijah Schaefer. These people are able to criticize Trump in a way that Alex isn't free to. The proportion of those people is going to keep increasing unless Alex fortifies and only has people like Roger on. Yeah. And that's the choice that he's being presented with. Yeah, it does feel like the currency of the upcoming future will be freedom.

That will be what attracts people is the, the just like, oh shit, you are truly unencumbered. The idea of like, fuck it, say whatever the fuck you want. Like literally anything you want. It doesn't even matter anymore will be the most attractive kind of thing. I think it will, but I think that it is and has always been to some degree. But I think that some people are able to. to fake it. Sure.

Well. Because you can create a facsimile of being able to say whatever you want by just saying horribly offensive things. Right. And that's not saying whatever you want. Right. That's just being an asshole. Right.

Like Alex can scream about how he can't suck a dick or whatever. And that's masking that he can't say certain things about Trump. Right. It's masking that he in many ways is giving oral pleasure to Trump. But he has the freedom to say these things that are shocking and weird. and outside of what you'd see on Fox or whatever. But it really, it just is to obscure the fact that he is more muzzled than many other commentators might be. Yeah.

And I think that getting real with that and it being inescapable for him is going to be a crisis. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the double-edged sort of like choosing a thing of being like, well, I'm Trump now. that means you're not free. And so the only way to be free is to remove that completely. Well, yeah. And it's one thing to be like, I'm into Trump and I'm going to support this.

Sure. It's another thing to do whatever Alex has done and hang out with Roger and like this, that is, like, you can be free if you change your mind on Trump. Yeah. Alex has a lot of other steps he needs to take before that freedom is even like with. within his grasp. Him pretending that he's going to pray about this or whatever. It's like it's delusional. Yeah.

You don't, there's no light switch that goes on and off with your Trump support. You're a media surrogate for this guy. Yep. It's, it's, you're, you're,

you've got to change your name. I mean, it's, it is, I mean, yeah, I think at, at this point,

regardless of what decision he does make in the future, there was a time to leave. Yes. That time passed. So he is responsible. Even if he leaves now, it is meaningless. The time to leave was probably 2017. Yep.

Well, probably pretty soon after the first election. Yeah, probably. That would have been a good time to maintain a little bit of integrity and still do the kind of damage that you want to do towards public institutions. Yep. Anyway, he's like fucked. and I think it's interesting how this is all having to play out. Yeah.

I think the instinct to make Marjorie Taylor Green quitting mostly about Todd Blanche is a strong impulse. I think it would have worked 20 years ago. Maybe. But it is not going to work now. Not going to do it. And yeah, we'll see what he does. You just can't defend it. Like I'm amazed, you know, because you can't defend.

Like, it doesn't matter how. left wing somebody was. It doesn't matter if Bernie Sanders was doing literally everything I said. If he was like, oh yeah, and he hung out with Epstein all the time, I'd be like, well, I'm not going to defend him at all ever. Right. Done. I'm out.

Yeah. I'm done. Yeah. Why? You can't defend it. The compromise of like whatever the policies that he believes in that I support. That compromise is is no longer valuable. Yeah.

Like the balance is totally off. And do you know what? There's some other asshole who believes that same shit who could probably do just as good a job who hasn't been with Epstein. So let's just get that asshole. Yep. That's, uh, yep. Yep. See, that's, uh, yeah, that's going to be a problem for him.

Yeah. It's just, I have a hard time even figuring out like, what do you say? Because he is saying, uh, Trump is covering up Epstein. Yep. And I'm fine with it. And I'm fine with it. His business partners were involved in this and money laundering. and all this stuff.

And it's too risky for him to do the right thing. So we're just going to be fine with him doing the wrong thing. I don't even have anything. Like, I don't have, like, accusation. No, he's saying it. Yeah. Yeah, he's just saying it. When we see this in movies,

it is when the main character knuckles up and, like, overcomes the challenge. That's the hero's journey in a nutshell. At no point in time does the hero's journey go, like, you know, Darth Vader's fine. I mean, the emperor is a fairly good administrator. Yeah. And Marjorie Taylor Green is just essentially like stake to claim as a public voice of like, I am not okay with this.

Yeah. And Alderan is Venezuela. It makes sense. Sure. Shouldn't have those boats. Shouldn't have those boats. So we'll be back to see where Alex goes with this, see if he watches any more movies that he identifies with personally. but until then we have a website.

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until that, I'm Leo. I'm DZX. Clark. I am the mysterious professor. Who, yeah!

And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.