Knowledge Fight - 1105 December 3 2025

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

In this installment, Dan and Jordan continue to observe Alex's irrational hatred of boats, and his newfound belief in the Left-Right Paradigm.

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I'm a first-time calling. I'm a huge fan. I love your world. Knowledge fight. KnowledgeFight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around. Where's about the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you.

What's your bright spot today? What date is it? It is... I actually don't know. Is it the 30? How many days are they? 29th? December 29th.

Right. All right. Well, that means that it's my bright spot first. You've learned. How about that? It only took us till December 31st. Yep, and now we're going to flip it back to normal. My bright spot is the reason that we are recording this early on Monday instead of Sunday.

I spent the weekend with my family and had a lovely post-Christmas celebration kind of thing. Nice. It was great. We all got along fine. Almost died in the fog. Here's, well, the way home. Yeah, the other bright spot is surviving it. Sure.

On the right back, apparently 80 was destroyed by a freezing cold. winter hurricane thing, which covered in fog and rain and all that stuff. And we barely escaped it, barely white-knuckled our way home, got our pups and made it into Chicago, and we're fine. It was great, other than being terrifying, right? It was like, you know, it's edge of your seat. It was a roller coaster ride. Yeah, it's like a boss battle that you finish with a sliver of life left.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like, I did it. I don't know how or why. Now I've got to go healing potion. in my ass. Right, right, right. I'm going to go rest at the campsite. Yeah, yeah.

That's the plan there. Well, it's nice. I'm glad you had a nice little trip. It was wonderful. Sweet. Absolutely. And how about yourself? What day is it?

It is the same day. Oh, okay. And because of that, we are still in December, and I'm celebrating cheese even though the Advent calendar ended on the 24th. Right. And since we're so close to the new year, I got a special cheese for the new year. I'll wake up at like 3 a.m. God wakes me up and tells me something.

And then he says it's, you know, time to get cheesy. And I say yes, yes, God gives you the option. Tetter cheese. Please, throw me to cheese, please, pepper jack cheese, please switch cheese. Give me cheese and give me death. Thank you to Gary for that one. That one was solid. That's fantastic.

Great, yep. So today I've got a special, I would say that this is New Year's themed a little bit. This is champagne cheese. Champagne cheddar. Okay. Is it from the champagne region of France or is it just named champagne cheese? Now here, here's the thing. What is the thing?

It says it's imported from England. But I've got red flags even on that. I'm not sure that that's true. But if it is, then it's not champagne. This should be... Sparkling cheese? Sparkling cheese. Yes, yeah, yeah.

So I'm going to open this up and get a try and Jordan's going to vamp. Wonderful. Here's the thing about vamping today is I'm going to use this time instead to tell everybody that my niece, the second child of my brother, has finally smiled at me. And she even said a word to me. She said, hello? She also screamed at me a couple of times and she made eye contact. This little girl has made on contact with everybody else in my family.

Up until yesterday, it was me alone who had nothing, who had no relationship with her. And so it was a bright, shining thing that happened to me. While at the same time also, she's three years old. So I don't know if any of this is going to last. Could it tomorrow could be, she's forgotten my name entirely. But I won one. And so I'm going to take it as a victory and call it a day. I raise my cheese to you, sir.

Yes, absolutely. A champagne cheese clink. Yeah. That's great. I don't know. I don't taste champagne in there at all. Eh, well. The whiskey cheddar definitely had more of whiskey to it.

This is not, I don't know. It's just a regular cheddar that they're trying to make celebratory. No, it tastes probably fine. I will always eat a cheddar. You'll always eat a cheddar. Yeah. Keep it sharp. I mean.

What is the sharpness on cheddar actually mean? Like there's extra sharp cheddar. There's sharp cheddar. There's that I don't know what that means, though. I don't eat cheese. You know what? I don't either, but I do. Hey, you were looking at me like I'm crazy and then.

No, I was looking at you like that because I was worried. But you don't know either. It's a tartness. There's kind of like a soury. It's a more heightened. One of the reasons I struggle with answering this question is sharp feels like so right. It's the right word. Really?

Yeah. See, that's the thing. I don't like cheese on the whole. So I don't understand your cheese lingo. You know, with spiciness, you know, you've got the Scoville unit. Sure, sure, sure, sure. You can kind of discuss it in that. I don't know if there is the equivalent for sharp.

There might be. I just don't know. But yeah, I like really sharp. I like a sharp cheddar. You like a kick. All right. Okay. I'll take it.

So this cheese is a little bit of a dud. But that is good because I have a second bright spot. Oh, yeah? And that is that we could not end the year off without another episode of McGiver. Oh. Back on my bullshit. All right. First question, smooches, no smooches.

This episode is decidedly not about kissing. Okay. No kissing. No smooch it. No. You know what I should have done when I opened the cheese and vamp? You should have tried to guess what the plot of this McGiver episode. I mean, here's the problem.

Once you have established that already we could just be mad at ants, that leaves everything open. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an episode where it's like, is that actually an alien stealth move? And then at the end, they just kind of disappear. And you're like, could be. So this episode is about a guy who's going to testify against his brother who runs a drug operation, mafia thing. Snitch! Yeah, but he has a, you know, he's doing it because a kid that he works with got a hot shot and he died from the drugs.

Oh, man, that's rough. Hard to make that decision to snitch or not to snitch there is difficult. I think that the way that this episode plays out, snitch is the right option. Justice Snitch. The brother sucks. Right. Fair enough. So he goes over to McGiver's house to meet up with the federal marshals.

So now we know where McGiver lives. He has an apartment in California, which he, I swear to God, he lived a planetarium in the first episode. This makes no sense. So he goes over there to meet up with a guy. Yeah. He ends up getting kidnapped while McGiver's getting him coffee. Naturally.

McGiver's got to go save him. Of course. And return him to the marshals. But he wants to go talk to his mom for the last time. His mom's in the hospital. And so he's like, I got to go talk to my mom. And the marshals are like, no. Your brother will be there.

Yeah. Yeah, that would be how it works. Yeah. And so he's like, McGiver, go talk to my mom for me. Oh, my God. So McGiver has to go talk to his mom. Right. He delivers this message from her son.

Sure. And she's like, I'm dying. Naturally. I know I'm dying. Did he go through the window? Did he, like, have to sneak it in there or just front door? McGaever walked in the front door and he's having a great time with her. I was really thinking he would have to climb in through the window of some sort.

It seems like they hit it off to the point where later he tells the guy, give your mom a kiss for me. So maybe there is some smooch. So there is a smooch there. No romantic smooch. No, no, no, no, no, no. But there is. So, yeah, McGaver's talking to her. She's like, I'm dying.

I know it. I want to talk to my son one last time. Can you bring him here? No! So McGiver's like, I got to bring the kid here. No! Right. So he goes to the marshals.

And he's like, I got to get this message to the witness. His mom wants to talk to him. And the marshal's like, no. Of course not. No. What are we doing here? So McGiver has to kidnap him. He kidnaps him from federal custody.

Right. to get him to the hospital to say goodbye to his mom. Sure. But the other brother has taken the mom out of the hospital and put her in his fortress of a home. So now McGiver, with the witness, has to break into the mob guy's house in order for the guy to say goodbye to his mom, which everyone knows is a trap. Yeah. I mean, it's the most obvious trap there's ever been. Right.

Yeah. So the guys have got to get in there to say goodbye to his mom and then McGiver's got to break him out. Right. What excitement. I say this. I struggle with plots that I feel are entirely self-inflicted. You know? Like that's one of those things where if I watch a plot and I go,

you guys should just not be doing this and it would be fine. That's a bummer. I tend to turn it off. I was riveted. I thought it was fantastic because the stakes of it are so like, I just want to say goodbye to my mom. Right. I want to do the right.

thing in terms of testifying against my brother. Sure. But I got to say goodbye to my mom. There is a higher justice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And everything is so fucking stupid. Like the way that McGiver does all this stuff is, you know, it's

parodied for a reason. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. How does he are we at paperclip level? Because I feel like solving things purely via paperclip wasn't it to later on. No, he has to hack or hotwire a car using just a paper clip in this.

But he also clears out a federal courthouse using dry ice, pop rocks, and soda in the air vats, which is great. I mean, I do like that he solves problems with creativity. Yes. You know? Yeah.

That is the best part. And I think that there's a lot of, like, one of the unsung pieces of why this show works is you're often watching him solve problems. and he's silent. And you're like, what the fuck is he doing? Yeah.

And then it all pays off together. You know, like, that kind of like he builds these. Contraptions. Yeah. Yeah. And you're having fun watching him do it. And you're like,

how's that going to do anything? Ah. In a way, it's like, in a way, McGiver is the precursor to Mythbusters. It's the reason it's necessary. Those guys wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for MythBusters. So one other thing, there's no kissing, but we did learn something about who this guy is.

Okay. And the McGiver is. Right. His backstory. Present story. Right. Okay. The marshal is telling the witness, you're going to testify, we're going to have you at a safe house during the trial, and then McGiver takes over and he'll give you a new identity.

What? So McGiver is working with the federal government. in a capacity that he's able to make people disappear and give them new identities. Oh, my God. So it might be that his job is that he's a witness protection guy. Yeah. But then I don't know why he's doing the ant thing. I mean, I appreciate a jack of all traits.

My problem here is, I wonder what his LLC is like. How does his contracting work? Because we're talking about sums of money from the government and also from overseas, presumably. Yeah. So his, I would not want to try and itemize that. And then you're talking about travel expenses purely. Like, is he running game? Is he having like business lunches?

You know what I'm saying? Like, what's this man up to? Is he trying to expense the coffee? Exactly. Yeah. Can you trust McGiver with your corporate? One last thought that I had while watching it was like, I love this world so much because there's clarity.

If you are a bad guy in this world and you see McGiver, give up. Like, it's awesome. He doesn't hate you, but you're not going to win. It's like, it's so clear. Everything's so clear. Everyone's stupid if they think that they're going to get one over on McGiver. Okay, let me ask you this question. I'll ask you one question about McGiver, all right?

Maybe we'll do this every time. Maybe I get one question about McGiver every episode. I'll allow two. Okay. When we're dealing with McGiver, all right, as compared to like a CSI or a, or like, I'm in the FBI show, you know, one of those. And there's always that moment in the FBI where it's like, I'm all about this,

we got to get that guy. Is McGiver more detached? Like, I'm out here just trying to do my job, buddy? No. He's not just trying to do his job. He seems like he's annoyed a lot of the time or almost like more interested in the little machines

and the little tricks that he can do. So like there's a, there's one thing, here's what I would say. Yeah. This answers your question and it doesn't. Okay. The best kind of answer. The opening of McGiver is a bunch of clips from episodes.

And it ends, the intro music ends with him going like, like letting out a sigh of like, like, who. It's a good thing I'm done with that. Yeah. And that kind of feels like what, it feels spiritually like that's his vibe. I just got to get through this and then I'll be like, ooh, all right. Now back to true crime. Yeah, I think that there is a feeling like he must have hobbies that he would rather be doing. Yeah.

Okay. But his hobbies might just be like improvising devices and stuff. All right. I like it. End of questions. And compared to all those other shows, like he clearly doesn't act like a cop. Yeah. Like he does not have any problem breaking into places and stuff.

So like he just kind of feels like, hey, I'm a. that. Yeah, I was, I'm the best. No, I was, I'm thinking about this because I was watching a little bit of fringe. I was rewatching a little bit of fringe. Man, those people just pop out guns all the goddamn time. Just boom, gun. Scientists.

Just all the time, there's a gun in everybody's fucking face. But to be fair, that the lady is, she's an agent. She is an agent. Yeah, so she's like a cop. I just feel like everybody's got a gun into your face. Yeah. John Noble never has guns. No, no.

All the best characters in all of these shows do not use guns. Astrid doesn't use guns. Nope, not once. Yep, the cow doesn't use guns. The cow does use guns, actually. Oh, yeah, that's true. I forgot about that episode. That was a weird episode.

It was a weird episode. Utter gun. Utter guns. Utter gun. Yeah. So today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over. We're going to be talking about December 3, 2025 on Alex's show. I think we are beginning something that will probably take up the next months of our lives.

All right. There is a trajectory that Alex has set himself on. that I think is in a large part a reaction to those moments, those big inflection moments that we've been talking about and Charlie Kirk's assassination. Right. I think that these things have set a course and now they're starting to come to fruition.

Gotcha. In Alex's destiny. We'll talk a little bit about this episode, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wants. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, why can't the French count to four? They always run into the tree. Tree. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk.

I'm a policy one. Thank you very much. Isn't it, Twa? I have no idea. Is it a joke? I feel like it's supposed to be a joke. Right. Well, I mean, it's a joke on tree and three, presumably, but in French, it's twas. Yeah. Which, is that what a tree, is a tree also a twa? Well, the cat is up in the twas.

Next. Moving on. Custler Hustlers, the world's only dirt. Kirk Pitt podcast would love to hear Dan Rap Neil Cicerega's song. Wow, wow. Thank you so much. You're a policy won. I'm a policy won.

Thank you very much. No. We just had our first child and named him Owen Sawyer, which my brother thinks is a little too close. Also, Alex's voice is surprisingly soothing to fall asleep to for me, not the baby. Thank you so much. You're now, Policy Wong. I'm a policy won't.

Thank you very much. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Knowledge Fight is our post-sex cigarette. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four star. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Yeah. But thank you. Yep. Gross. Yeah. So today, we start off on December 3rd. where Alex is starting off, and it is about them boats. Okay.

Them boats. All right. If you are receiving this transmission, you are the resistance. Live from the Infowars.com Studios, it's Alex Jones. 317 days into the return of the Trump administration. We are now at the moment of truth. If they can take out Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth for following Trump's legal and law orders, then they will obviously then launch impeachment against Trump for war crimes.

The UN will pile on. We know where this is all going. Obama blew up thousands and thousands of people on the seas and in their homes and at weddings and said that they had the executive power. Now, you can argue those were war crimes, but what Trump is doing is light years more constitutional. This is a bad argument that Alex is making. And it's only one he has to make because of the horrible bed that he's made for himself to lie in.

The attacks that Alex is talking about with Obama were awful, and he's right to be critical of them. But unfortunately, now he's gotten himself in a situation where he needs to find a way to justify the guys he likes doing the same kind of stuff. Yeah. At the core, what Alex is expressing is that he doesn't really care about killing non-combatants. He's neutral at best on whether or not the military should commit war crimes. The only relevant variable is whether or not he likes the people. doing the war crimes, and if he feels personally connected to the power that those people hold. If it's Obama doing it, Alex is able to grandstand about how wrong these kinds of attacks are.

If it's Trump and Hegseh doing it, the attacks are actually very constitutional. Here is where this kind of argument lives or dies. It's now Alex's responsibility to explain the difference between what Obama was doing and what Hegset is doing. What is the critical difference that makes one act of killing civilians you've determined are terrorists of war crime, whereas the other one is a legal constitutional act. Parentheses are. The best I think Alex can do is that, like, they're closer to the United States.

And I don't think that works. Yeah. When someone advances contradictory positions and can't explain to you the reason why these situations are different and how the circumstances make their position not contradictory, you should feel a complete freedom to not take them seriously. This isn't the behavior of someone who's actually interested in ideas. It's the mark of someone who's trying to justify something they shouldn't. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a, I mean, after you can have the secret torture memo, you know, and it's like, why wouldn't you just do a secret memo for all the illegal and a constitutional shit you want to do? Get a constitutional lawyer to make some stuff up and then put it in a box and then tell nobody about it. And then you can do whatever you want. And I think that I think that that's what Alex would do with this boat. Right. The boat stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I mean, you know, I have not seen any president in my lifetime not commit a war crime. None of them have been like, hey, knock it off. Well, it feels to me like the Constitution and all this stuff exists as like kind of imaginary technicalities. It does. And Alex cheers on people trying to get around them when he likes them. Right.

And insists everyone follow different rules. Right. when he doesn't like them. Right. It feels like the Constitution is more like you just need to put more effort into it to break those rules. And so most people in the government are like a little too lazy to go that far. It's just too much work. Yeah.

Yeah. There's no rule that says a horse can't kick a nuke. That's true. Yeah. Nobody wrote it down. A dog can play fucking basketball, my man. Right. Yeah.

I saw that. Mm-hmm. I saw that film. It's a good film. It's film. It is. Make no mistake. So the globalists are making their move on Pete Hegseth.

All right. It's all, this is just critical. And you notice that this week, but tomorrow they're going to release the signal gate stuff from the beginning of the administration. Where he got set up with the CIA head and others trying to leak stuff out to make some of the strikes of the Middle East on the, Huthies look badly done or that he's not following intelligence rules. So that's all been set and now that's coming out the next few days. South Park produced it weeks ago but has their special out about HECSeth this week. And so here's the big news.

Let me just announce it. There is a live deep state Pentagon coup going right now to remove Hegseth. And if they're able to do that, they believe the path is clear, the globalist will have control the Pentagon with who they're trying to replace him with, and then they're going to make their move on Trump. Alex is trying to paint the picture that the globalists are directing all of this attention against Hegseth because they're trying to oust him, when in reality, really just feels like Heg Seth is getting criticized for bad stuff that he's done.

The blowing up a boat's shit is unacceptable, his revealing of military actions in advance on signal is sloppy and dangerous, and Alex is exaggerating his importance to this season of South Park. He's a bit player in the whole thing. J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel are way more central characters, as is Satan. Yeah, well. For the people he's invested in supporting any negative attention they get will be reported by Alex as a sign of their virtue, and that's a double-edged sword.

On the one hand, it makes his job easier with hand-waving away horrible things that his guys do, but on the other hand, it limits his ability to engage with reality, and it makes him seem really out of touch to anybody who isn't already a fan of his. and he needs to stop saying making their move. He says that too much. What? Okay. So they're making their move.

They oust Hegseth, who can only be ousted presumably by Trump ousting him, right? Maybe Congress. Sure. Oh, well, let's hope an act of Congress would have an effect these days. Then maybe Trump could then override or something. Let's hope a lot of stuff and let's hope it never gets tested. Sure. So then there's an interim guy that.

Trump is appointed. And then there's an actual guy that Trump is appointed. So should Hegseh be ousted, Trump will still be appointing the guy, right? Right. But maybe congressional approval is needed for that appointment. Sure. Okay. So the globalist plan includes somehow influencing Trump to then appoint another guy that would

oust him? Maybe. Here's the basic sketch of it. Okay. The globalists under King Podesta. who is the greatest military planner of all time. I feel like that's not true. Has come up with the movie Civil War and one battle after another, which Alex has not seen.

But he has a feeling about it. It's pretty good movie. And these reveal the battle plan where they're going to create a civil war in the United States. Right. Now, the only thing that could go wrong is if the military stays loyal to Trump during the Civil War. Right. They can't have that. Right.

So they need to oust. Hegseth because he's loyal to Trump. Right. Anybody else shaky, dubious loyalty at best. Of course, naturally. So once they get him out, they can start trying to impeach Trump and in the process launch the civil war where the military won't be under Hegseth who will keep them loyal to Trump.

Right. In the coming movie of a that Alex hasn't seen. I'll say this for this plan. Generally speaking, the military doesn't stay. on one side in a civil war. True. They split up. Otherwise, you don't really have a civil war.

You've got one military massacring a bunch of people. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's dumb. Yeah. But it's what Alex has to do.

Yeah. You know, no, it's fair. This is the way that, like, everything has to be the domino that knocks over everything else. Yeah. Or else, why are we talking about it so much?

Right. Right, right, right. Why did God direct you to do this episode? because if we don't protect Hexeth, then everyone's dead. Right. Right. There's no possible way of being like, hey, if you commit an illegal act, you should be justiced. Yeah.

And you should have to like go to a law place. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex is like he totally got this Hexeth story on his own. He totally did. He has a lot of sources. But also Laura Lumer has been tweeting about it. And we've got a lot of people in the Pentagon.

that are obviously giving us information. I'll leave it at that. And so I was already planning to come on air today and say they're launching their full coup against Hegg Seth and explaining it. Then Laura Lumer, and you know, say what you want about Laura. She's really smart.

That's a lot of great investigative reporting. I get mad at her because she infights and loves drama queening and stuff, which she thinks she's targeting bad people. I think it's overall destructive. We may lose the house now because MTG is leaving. But whatever. She's still a good person.

and means well. And when she says she has the sources she does, because when I read this, it's all dead on. And I'm talking to her right now. She's trying to get to a place where she has a good internet that she can come on. I may just get her on via phone. I was just talking to her five minutes ago.

Exclusive secretary of the Army's office plotting a coup at the Pentagon to remove Secretary of Defense Peak Head Seth and replace him with the deep staters. It's a long post on X. It's dead on. I don't just believe her in her sources and she's been proven to be dead on. I already have most of this reverse engineered.

Oh, yeah. You figured it all out. Most of it. It's also the secretary of the army is someone who was appointed by Trump. Went to college with J.D. Vance. I don't know. I don't know where the...

I don't know, man. It is really hard to not take responsibility when there's literally nobody else there. Yeah. It's really hard to do. You kind of start after blaming start blaming each other. Find people who are on the edges. Right. Maybe like the Secretary of War.

It is so funny how much these people just need there to be a solid and competent Democratic Party. Otherwise, they just hate each other. Because they're a bunch of idiots. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. It seems pretty obvious now. So I think that Alex totally reverse engineered all this. He's not just woken up and seen a tweet from Laura Lumer and decided what we're going to run with this. very very it's plausible and uh believable and cool yeah um and also Alex has uh his own reporters at the white house like Brianna Morello is over there at the white house how about talking to the Pentagon right now no you know the Pentagon today has all these reporters with their chief accountant our own Brianna morello is in three hour meetings right now with the head accountant of the Pentagon with total transparency about where the 10th of

of trillions missing is. Remember Rumsfeld, two days before 9-11, gave a press conference about 2.2 trillion missing. And the 9-11 happened. Now it's over, what, 15 trillion or something? Some numbers are 20 trillion? I mean, our reporter is there right now, right now. In the Pentagon meeting on this,

you want reform, you want transparency, you got it with eggsuff. It's interesting that Alex is saying this because just a week or two after this episode, was recorded, news broke that the Pentagon had failed its eighth straight audit. To explain what this means, I'll read to you from an article on military.com. Quote, auditors examine whether systems accurately track spending, assets, liabilities, and inventory. That includes everything from payroll to contracts to facilities,

vehicles, aircraft, ships, and spare parts. The process also evaluates whether internal controls are strong enough to prevent errors and ensure reliable reporting. A clean audit opinion would, signal that the Pentagon can consistently account for its resources and spending. Failing the audit means auditors identified material weaknesses that prevent them from reaching that conclusion. Alex is trying to present this image that Hegg Seth is running the Pentagon as some kind of fully transparent operation, but it's really as bad or worse than ever.

This is an administration that will happily associate with an InfoWars reporter, though, so that's going to affect the kind of coverage that Alex gives them. Right. Which is pathetic. Wasn't that one of the first? like big things that people talk about Sanders doing on the national level is working with some other Republican guy to actually audit the, uh, the Pentagon or the military. Probably.

Yeah. Man. Do you know how it went? Not good. No. A lot of like, like, there's just stuff that can't ever be done. Yeah. In the world that we've created for ourselves.

No. Somebody just described the military as like a big open money pit and they just keep throwing money in there. Nobody knows how much. Nobody knows where it goes. Right. It's just in there. And you know what?

You not wanting to throw money in there makes me think that you don't like America. Yeah. Yeah. You want us to be vulnerable. And let me tell you something. If you don't throw money in there, it turns out that thing eats people. It eats people with guns. Yeah.

Yeah. I have interesting feelings about this, I guess. That like I don't think Hegseth is necessarily to blame for the Pentagon. on failing an audit? Kind of, yeah. He's to blame for not demanding that they pass it. Right, right, right, right. But it's an institutional rot kind of problem that we've just all gotten complacent about.

Right. If it were possible for him to even should he be like, I demand we pass this audit, if it were possible, it probably would have happened in the past 50 years, at least once. Maybe, and it's theoretically possible. It is theoretically possible. But it's, I don't know enough to know, like, what would have to go into, how many secret projects would we have to put on, uh, ledgers and stuff? No, the amount of money they get is crazy enough as it is.

We don't want to find out actually how much money they get. Jesus. Yeah. Maybe we would, but that's a Band-Aid coming off kind of moment. Well, you got to give them all that stuff. Otherwise, people will eat. Or those boats won't sing. So Alex plays a clip of, uh, Trump discussing Higseth, sinking these boats.

and how he's fine with it. Of course. So let's go to a clip from yesterday where Trump does back Hegg Seth. Well, you better back him. You told him to do it. I looked at the law of the Constitution, the precedent set by Jefferson.

100% you have that. But now it's a perception battle, so you better keep backing him. Here's a clip. As far as the attack is concerned, I still haven't gotten a lot of information because I rely on Pete. How is that possible?

It was an attack. wasn't one strike, two strikes, three strikes. Somebody asked me a question about the second strike. I didn't know about the second strike. I didn't know anything about people. I wasn't involved in it. I knew they took out of vote. But I would say this, they had a strike.

I hear the gentleman that was in charge of that is extraordinary. It's an extraordinary person. I let Pete speak about him. But Pete was satisfied. Pete didn't know about second attack having to do with two people. and I guess Pete would have to speak to it. I can say this, I want those boats taken out. So you may notice that Trump brought up something about a second strike,

which isn't a detail of this story that Alex has talked about yet. This is in reference to an attack on a boat that Hegset carried out, which resulted in a capsized boat and two survivors trying to cling to that wreckage. Our forces fired on them again, which killed the remaining people. Blach! Even if you believe that these people were narco-terrorists who were captaining boats full of drugs to the United States in order to kill Americans, there doesn't seem to be a justification to kill the survivors of the first attack.

There's no reason they couldn't have just been apprehended at that point and made to stand trial for whatever offenses they were accused of. So firing on them again really just feels like state murder, which Alex is notorious for pretending to be opposed to. It's just, it doesn't, you really, you really struggle to see the point. That is the type of shit. Like, it should be undeniable now. It should be undeniable.

No one should be able to die it. Nobody should have a conversation about it. Because in a movie, like fucking, I don't know, Red Dawn or some shit, one of the most obvious ways that you make the bad guy appear to the bad guy is they shoot defense-lifts people to death. Right. That's us. Yeah. And just, you know, so we're clear, let's make sure of.

all the details of what happened. Sure. But let's not, let's, let's not kid ourselves. Yeah. If you shoot at people who are in the water. I don't know how. I don't know how to be more the bad guy.

Yeah. It's over the top. In movies you go, Jesus, no one would behave like that. Mm-hmm. Bluff! Yeah. It's, uh, it's pretty bad. Well, there we go.

So Pete Hegseth, his whole thing is like, I didn't see it. He signed off on the first attack and then he went about his business. and he missed the later stuff. I watched that first strike lot. As you can imagine, at the Department of War, we got a lot of things to do. So I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours, whatever, where all the sensitive site exploitation digitally occurs.

So I moved on to my next meeting. A couple of hours later, I learned that that commander had made the, which he had the complete authority to do. And by the way, Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat. He sunk the boat. sunk the boat and eliminated the threat. And he was the right call.

We have his back. And the American people are safer because narco terrorists know you can't bring drugs through the water and eventually on land if necessary to the American people. We will eliminate that threat and we're proud to do it. This story is obviously a bunch of bullshit, but I want to ignore that for a second. Just to bring into really sharp focus that listening to this explanation is insane. Pete Hexeth seems to be justifying the use of the military to kill people based solely on their involvement in drug trafficking. Are we in a very literal international war on drugs now?

Like this feels like an entirely unacceptable justification for what happened, even if you have a sincere desire to have less drugs enter the country. I can't come up with a way to say this strongly enough that it's pathetic for Alex to support this kind of shit now. Like, we understood that the war on drugs was a pretext for... Fucking over non-white people. Sure. Yeah. And police to get away with a lot more. Fucking over non-white people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Largely. Largely. But it has a subsidiary benefit of more tickets. Right. Right, right, right. Absolutely. Totally.

There's a financial side to it, too. We all understood that it was nonsense. And it wasn't dealing with the issues that drugs represent. Right. And to imagine that we are now doing this internationally is so exhausting. My first response to both of these assholes is exactly what happened when we were listening to those fucking depositions. And Rob Doe is like, I don't know about this. You're not allowed to not know.

Even if you personally don't know or weren't there. You are representing the no. of this. Yeah, you have, you're the Department of Defense, who's now renamed himself the Department of War. Yeah. You have an obligation. If not you, then no one. No, and it's still your fault. That's the whole point of, that the system exists to hold the top accountable. Not so both the top and the bottom could go, it's not really our fault. Right. You know? And the ideal situation is that when there are problems in the lower areas of Let's say.

Sure. The higher area of command takes responsibility but solves those problems. Right. Does not skirt responsibility. He doesn't say like, hey, everything is actually cool. Yep. They say like, no, look, there's a problem here. We're going to address this.

Yep. Somebody's, I mean, at the end of the day, it used to be, it felt like everybody understood, sometimes heads roll, and that's what keeps the people quiet. You know, you make some asses. asshole resign for shit that's not his fault. But everybody goes, see, they did something, you know? It doesn't even feel like they bother with that shit anymore. They're just like, yeah, I murder people.

Whatever. Fuck you. And it comes to what Alex is expressing with his Hegseth conspiracies. It's like, we must defend Hegsef because if we don't, then the implication of him getting in trouble means the Trump should get in trouble. And Hegsafe is defending everybody beneath him because he knows if I don't, then it implicates me. And that, like, yep.

And no one will take responsibility at any point because of the implications of it. Yep. Yep. Because they're just bad people. Yes. But Alex has a defense of Hegset and it sucks. I've studied the military. Never been in it, but I've studied it from the top to the bottom. I understand the military very well.

But again, Hegsaid didn't do what they said he did. If he did it, it's legal and lawful. Obviously, they're trying to tell you the book. You keep bombing it until it's totally destroyed. Everybody's dead. That's the mission. Kill people break things. But they know the public doesn't understand this in general, so they're playing these games, like everything else they do, over and over and over again, to do what?

To say, Heg says illegitimate, Trump's illegitimate, anybody that backs him is illegitimate. This position that Alex is putting forward cannot be reconciled with his political beliefs when Obama and Bush were in office. His mentality is in direct opposition with his previous philosophy about war, and it's hard to put it any other way than to say that he's, a boot-looking warmonger. Yep. The Geneva Conventions are very clear about shipwrecked people, even people who were active combatants prior to being shipwrecked. Once their ship is wrecked, you can't just shoot them as they tread water.

It doesn't seem to be even disputed by Hegset, nor by Alex, that they made a decision to kill the survivors of the first attack, which is a crime under international law. People aren't upset about this or pretending to be just so they can have a reason to think that Heggseth or Trump are bad. They believe that Heg Seth and Trump are bad because they do bad things. This being a prime example of them. There have been a lot of these kind of very clear moments in the past year or so, but this is another one of those Alex has lost his soul points.

The person he's pretended to be in the 90s and 2000s never would have accepted the U.S. government acting like this, let alone would he have been an active cheerleader for their attacks? It's crazy. The fact that he's saying that he didn't do this and if he did, it's nothing wrong. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's the parody of justification and spin. These people, it's hard for them to, I just, they just don't understand how things work in reality.

Like the Geneva Conventions to them, they think of as limitations on what it is they're allowed to do. Yeah. As opposed to a global agreement that if you wage total war on someone, you are opening yourself to total war being waged upon you. True. So the idea is, if you want to fuck. fight each other, go to fight places. Otherwise, it's totally fine for us to murder whomever the fuck we want and burn your shit to the fucking ground.

Yeah, that's what a lot of the people who are discussing, you know, like people who write essays about the commentary about the second strike aspect of this. Absolutely. That's one of their main points. It's like, why would anybody ever follow rules of engagement against us if this is the way that we're behaving? Absolutely not. No, go fucking.

It's such a dangerous precedent to say. in terms of like how and and sure we're not perfect sure and we've we've breached things a lot in the past sure but when you're brazen about it and you're like now this is just how we do things that's that's a different countenance i mean it's it's absurd like the idea we live in a world where fucking because somebody shot at somebody in iraq trump drops the mother of all fucking bombs you know like that's first term yeah Whatever. That was chill Trump.

That's, but the thing there is, we have already accepted that for this, this is the response. If you then do that to Venezuela, it is okay for Venezuela to go fuck you up. That is the implied thing that we have lived under the entire time. Right. And there's really, I mean, I'm not saying they should, obviously, but there's no reason that we would have a moral high ground if they did like a chemical attack or a terrorist attack of some sort. Absolutely not. Like the international structures of agreements and things that we use to, like, say what is right and what is wrong are things that we are violating wantonly. Yeah.

If Venezuela bombed Jacksonville, we'd have to go like, yeah, well, that's what happens. It's our fault. I definitely wouldn't, but, you know, you'd, what do you say? Right? Yeah. Hey, don't. Yeah, I would say don't. I would say, I mean, don't.

From an international perspective, you're like, what the fuck else are they going to do? Right. Right, right, right. Don't is a reasonable response. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. So Laura Loomer comes on. Yeah.

She's got so many meetings and Alex is able to get a hold of her to come in and do a little coverage. Laura, thank you for coming on. This is very urgent. I just wanted to get this out right now. Give us a boil down. Yeah, well, thanks so much for having me on, Alex. People can review this report on my ex account and I broke a story the other day, the first day of the Pentagon Press Corps orientation about this coup against Secretary

of War, Pete Hegseth. And my sources, high-level sources here inside the Pentagon have told me that the stories that are being planted against Secretary of War Heg-Seth are coming from inside Secretary of Army Dan Driscoll's office. And, you know, people have been following their reporting over the last few months. They know that I have, you know, called out the Army Secretary multiple times for some of his behavior since he has been the Army Secretary, including going jogging with Eugene Benman, one of the architects of the impeachment against President Trump. He colluded with his brother, Alexander Vindman, as you know, also to highlighting and platforming a Medal of Honor recipient who spoke while in his uniform at the DNC convention in 2016 bashing President Trump. And we know that's a violation.

You're not supposed to engage in artisan political behavior while you're in uniform. You all are grasping at straws. Do you remember Trump's military parade? Man. This is all very sad. Yeah. And one of the big pieces of evidence is this picture of him jogging with Vindemann's brother. Yeah.

Stop. Just stop. That's not evidence of a coup. I mean. Trump put the secretary of the army in. He nominated this guy. The guy went to college with Vance. I don't know what to say.

other than you know you should stop this. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Listen, you've heard your words before. They're being recorded right now. Yeah, this is such silly levels of scapegoating that you're trying to engage in that all it really reveals is how deep underwater you are. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, it is, I mean, again, like, it feels like I don't know how to go low. I don't know how to go lower because I think creatively, we are reaching the point at which evil is absurd for, like, pop culture. You know, like for me to write a novel wherein this is the main character, people would just go, oh, come on, man, it's cartoonishly evil, this person you're making. I can't

relate to them as a, as a moral being at all. It's almost like they're fucking inhuman. Yeah. Well, it's, you know, I resist that line of thought because that's how down that road there be devils. I'm not talking about in real life, I'm talking about in fiction. I'm talking about literally writing it

people's, the review would be I cannot relate to these villains. See, I, this is where, this is where the distinction I'm trying to make. I think I can because everything makes sense from the position of being desperate. Sure. Money. And jockeying for position in a new power system. Sure. Like the, the right-wing media that's evolved since Trump, and especially since Trump,

uh, one in 2020. Whatever this is. Secretly one in 2020. Whatever all of what we've been doing for a while is. Yeah. This media space is like something that they all need to carve their piece out of. And the villainy and all this shit, like all the actions that you're saying wouldn't make sense.

They do make sense. I don't, I'm not saying that it's not that they don't make sense from a, direct blind to line point of view. It is that if you're engaging with it, then your immediate reaction is revulsion. Yeah. And then this behavior is that of a serial killer. This is a psychopath. I think I know what you mean.

You know? It's that this is not a compelling villain because their actions don't make sense outside of a villainous motive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you have to be out there going for evil to do this shit. A good wrestling heel, you kind of think, like, they have a point. You know, like, they're going about this wrong, but they've got a point. Like Alex in the past, maybe.

No, absolutely. Whereas this heel shit is just like, this isn't compelling. They know they're bad. They're being bad. Yeah. It's, yeah, I mean, it is the difference between the Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker. The Last Jedi, yeah, the old needs to be destroyed in favor of the new. What you do to go about that is the difference between hero.

and villainy, whereas the rise of Skywalker is trash, just like this administration. I tuned out because I've forgotten those movies. Fair enough. So Alex and Lumer, they are on the same page about one thing, and that is that we must defend Pete Hegseth at all costs. This is to be maximum red alert. If they can get Hegseth claiming he's a war criminal without any evidence, it'll kill all the investigations. Then they're going to try to impeach Trump when they still. the midterms or even earlier, come in with this war crime thing.

They are full court press right now. So I know you've got to go into another meeting. They want to get somebody who's sympathetic with them in his role. They want to replace. The Democrats want to replace Pete Higgs up with Dandriscoll. Which is why. This is a Pentagon coup. I mean, exactly.

Before they can do the larger pedestal plan Democrat coup they've been calling for civil war saying Trump's Hitler, the military needs a revolt. Well, you start your revolt. by removing the loyal secretary of defense. I mean, this is simple. Hegseth and the Pentagon's the ace of spades. I mean, this is maximum, absolute. Everybody needs you to be defending Hegseth.

And instead, they're making their main move against him, Laura. And other people, it's like crickets. Thank God you're always there. You know, sometimes like... Well, they want to replace him because they want somebody who's not as conservative and pro-Trump as Pete Hegsef, because in order for them to be successful in their coup, not just against Hegset, but against President Trump,

they need to stop the militarization of the borders. They have to stop the deployment of the National Guard to deal with riots and deal with illegal aliens, which is all constitutional, which they've said is illegal. It's not even a possibility that Alex can consider that maybe Pete Hegsef did something wrong. There are negative stories about Hegsafe and the media, and the only possible reason for that is that someone is trying to take him out so they can more, easily take out Trump. Once again, the Info War has mostly become a gossip show by palace intrigue, and people speculating on the fantasy coup plots that are going on behind every closed door. This happens

when there's no credible villain for propagandists to deflect anger toward, and they refuse to accept that their side has all the power. Nick Fuentes doesn't have to do gossip shit. He can actually criticize the actions of the members of the Trump administration based on the things that they've done, and a major part of that is his willingness to accept that his side has all the power. Alex cannot do that because once he accepts that, his show means nothing. He's not in a political struggle. He's in a war against the devil. So if his side has all the power and they don't vanquish the devil,

it's pretty obvious that they aren't in that same war with the devil. Or maybe they're working with the devil. Or maybe they suck. In a political struggle, you can acknowledge that you have control of all three branches of the government. and still have a reason not to force your agenda through. You could think that it could be seen as tyrannical or at my backfire or whatever. If you're in a war against the devil, you kill the devil if you have the chance, because it's the devil.

Subconsciously, this is the struggle that whatever audience Alex has left is going through. They're suffering from horrible cognitive dissonance about why the guy they elected to kill the devil seems to be working with the devil all the time, even though he has all the power. It doesn't make any sense why Trump hasn't arrested or killed Bill Gates or Fauci. Obviously, the Constitution and Law would stop him, but law is a human invention, and they're working for the devil. The devil doesn't have due process rights, like the fucking people on those boats. Yep. As the audience has to deal with seeing Trump not defeat the devil, and as they watch Alex support him as he works with the devil, it requires them to come up with new explanations for why this shit is happening.

Alex is hoping that he can redirect people's attention with the palace intrigue and by replaying the hits of the deep state days, but he has much stronger competition than the bullshit media space now. This shit's just not going to fly. This is probably the worst way that Alex could play the situation because Trump's base is pissed right now and they're asking questions. The only audience that the palace intrigue stuff appeals to are entirely passive folks who are ready to accept any explanation someone gives them. To any person listening critically, Alex's angle on this raises more questions than it answers. Yeah. And that's strategically really bad for him.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if your response to this guy can murder people because he wants to is it's constitutional. You've misunderstood. Even if that's the case, your response is, so we need to change the constitution. Sure. Right? Like whether or not, some.

Somebody has ever said this okay is meaningless to me because it is not. Right, but we short circuit that and we get around it by saying like, you know what? You're not even actually mad about that. They're just tricking you into thinking that you're mad about that because the secretary of the army wants to coup Pete Higgs said. I love it when other people tell me what I'm thinking in my own brain. Right. And what you're mad about. Yeah.

It's really nice of them. But if you do that, you're able to get around the visceral feelings you have about like, well, maybe we should change things so you can't just murder people on boats. Murder's bad. Right. You know, like when there are mass shootings, they get around whatever human feelings you have about it by being like, you only feel bad because the gun rights people are trying to attack the Second Amendment. Yep.

Yeah, that's how you get around that. Heading down the Mariana Trench, and we're going to see how far that motherfucker goes. Yeah. Yep. Pretty deep. Pretty deep. So Alex explains that, like, some of his audience, they're just not realists. They don't get that Harris could have won.

Fair enough. We just have a right to expose what they're up to, what they're engaged in, and how they're trying to undermine an act like Trump's a dictator when he's not. It's the Democrats that want to sell this country out. The Republicans, you know, have got their own problems. They've been a horrible party until recently. But we have formed a beachhead in the country, in the government, of real reform.

And that's what's exciting. So again, there's this paradox of people that have woken up who aren't realists that don't have any depth or context. The appointees, by and large, of Trump have been excellent and are dismantling the globalist system. Trump's made major mistakes. His DOJ is a disaster. We're critical of that.

And I don't just put this out. I'm talking about to put this out. I see comments on X. Like, oh, he's defending himself for being a disaster. you know, sucking Trump's weenie or whatever. It's not about that. I don't say that to convince you that my position's right. I know my position's right.

I'm asking you to be a realist and say, would you rather have Kamala Harris in right now? The answer that Info Wars should have to the question, would you rather Harris be president, is probably yes. Absolutely. From Alex's perspective, it would be way easier for him to make money if there was a credible opposition he was pretending to fight.

But the real reason I say this is because of the philosophy that this show is built up. electoral politics is not supposed to matter. The left-right paradigm is an illusion that the globalists weaponize to control the public. Politicians are stage actors and they're all controlled, except Ron Paul and anyone who gets canceled for saying something really racist. What matters for the Info War is you, the listener, the individual is the most important thing.

You're capable of making the changes that need to be made to save the world and all the government can do is either get in your way or stay out of it. In terms of furthering the goals of waking up the public and uniting the team, I think that Alex's audience would be way better off if Harris had won. When Biden won, they all got together and stormed the Capitol. In 2024, when Trump won, there wasn't that kind of unity. All the attention economy scammers went into overdrive, trying to carve out their own piece of the pie,

and a giant civil war is broken out in their media, largely surrounding Israel and the Charlie Kirk murder. Right now, the only way Alex can use his time, is trying to patch up holes in Trump's sinking ship. You know, explaining that Hegseth's illegal actions are totally legal, trying to spin fun threads about palace intrigue. It's all rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Conversely, if Harris had won,

all of these right-wing influencers would understand the importance of them working together and not trying to cannibalize each other for the sake of slightly increasing their own audience. Their coalition is made up of people who fundamentally do not like each other. So ironically, their best case, scenario is to be chasing power, but never actually having it.

Right. Once there is actual power, it makes no sense to let these other folks you hate have a chance at grabbing that power, so the attacks ultimately turn inward. Candice Owens hates Laura Lumer. Nick Fuentes momentarily hated Tucker until he got on his show and humiliated him. Sure. The list goes on and on with these feuds, and the result of their fighting is a boost in negative headlines towards Trump world figures that each of these people sees as unaligned

with themselves. Makes that up with actual journalists reporting on horrible things that Trump administration figures are doing, and you have a lot of holes that Alex has left running around to patch up, which leaves his content seeming really stupid. Some of these right-wing media figures have been able to position themselves so that Trump winning is better for them, but most of them are people who are not connected personally to Trump and are free to attack him. That's the people who benefit the most from Trump winning.

Right. I would say that there are only, you know, the, there are only, you. people who should actually be glad that Harris didn't win are those folks. Yep. Everyone else, including the right wing movement in this country, would be way better off if the presumed greater of two evils had won and maintained a status quo that wasn't inwardly, uh, destructive. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it turns out getting together a bunch of whiny babies who can't think one year ahead is not a good long-term governance strategy. Mm-mm. I can't believe that. It's just so shocking. Right. And trying to put a patchwork together of groups that all essentially define themselves by exclusion means that once there's a power that is attainable, they will want to use it to exclude the people that they want to exclude.

And sometimes that's contradictory to what another group wants to exclude. And that's really where their coalition just can't work. Yep. And we're all forced to live through it. We all hated the same thing until that thing is now out of our way. Now we all find out we hate different things. Great. Yeah.

Thrilled. So one of the things that I think is a note that we've had and is awful is this idea that Alex has become just like this hack. He's just a political hack. Vote blue no matter who kind of asshole. Yep. Yep. And he explains in this next clip why that is.

And I do appreciate him actually addressing it. Oh, that's nice. Since really the 70s when they got rid of Nixon. Nixon had his issues, but he was really the president. What were Nixon's issues? Decisions are bad. Big. It's all been declassified.

The CIA removed him because they wanted to be in charge. But we really, after Kennedy got killed and Nixon got removed, the deep state was in charge. And so the Republican leaders. at the top would just share power. They all intermarry together. It was all staged. Uniparting. That's why I said the left-right paradigm is false.

I coined that term. The false left-right paradigm. Look it up, I coined it. Like 29 years ago. It's picked up at university text now, you name it. People go, well, wait a bit, now you're saying we're Republicans. Now you're saying we're right-wing. Back then, it was totally controlled.

And all these terms mean nothing. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. he'd be an ultra right winger today terms change liberal used to mean less taxes and more guns and more property and more freedom liberal now means communism

and cutting your son's wiener off means transhumanism but there really wasn't two parties to speak of until Ron Paul and the Tea Party and everything you and I did together

to try to to reform the Democrat and Republican parties. And it turned out we were able to reform because it was Christians and others, the Republican Party party party. Perfect, but it's day and not, compare the Democrats now. And they're just digging in, getting more communist,

more satanic, more globalist every day. So this is helpful. And I'm really glad that Alex explained this. So there were multiple political parties up until around the time JFK was assassinated or when Nixon resigned. Right. There were 11 years separating those two events

and I'm pretty sure. that LBJ did a ton of stuff Alex hated, but whatever. His penis was too big to be mad at. It's not important to nail down an exact date here. True. In either 1963 or 1974, the deep state took over the country, and then there was a uniparty. This uniparty was a Cold War era communist fantasy of the Democratic Party, where the Dems were steering the ship, and the Republicans had entered into a power-sharing agreement

with them. The Republican Party was essentially controlled opposition, obscuring the fact that the commies had all the power. This was the state of a... affairs until Ron Paul came along, but it wasn't Ron Paul that changed the world. It was Alex and his dumb radio show. In Alex's telling of the story, his support of Ron Paul created the Tea Party, which took over the Republican Party and has now morphed into the Trump movement. In effect, he was able to wake up the masses to the existence of the Uniparty by attacking the fraud of the

left-right paradigm, which let the Tea Party create a new political party that wasn't based on the GOP of old. By creating this new entity and using it to power the right wing of the the uniparty in the United States, they were able to take control of the party apparatus. So now they are truly a separate party. There finally are two parties in the United States government thanks to Alex. I ask this question. Why were rich people on the same party at the end of it? I don't know.

Weird. It's a coincidence. Yeah, it must be. So there's such an awesome fantasy here for Alex to have. It's such a great way for him to rationalize how pathetically he's descended into team sports in terms of his political views. It makes him one of the most important figures in American history. Very important.

It gets him off the hook for how obvious it is that he can't engage with the news past lesser of two evils ideas anymore. Without sarcasm, I say that this is a great effort on this part. Yeah. Could be worse. It's inspired work. I think, you know, he makes a lot of really bad moves, and it's fair to call out when one is pretty good. You know what's interesting to me? He brought up something that I hadn't really put together, but now I'm starting

to see a constellation here, all right? Alex, more fun drinking. More fun when he's drunk. Nixon, awful person. He was a drinker, though. Right? Trump, no drinks. This is the problem.

These right-wing monsters are just better when they're partying. Yeah. They're less, or at least they're less damaging to the rest of the world. If their teetotolers, they're going to fuck around and start a world war over drugs. Yeah, teetotolers cannot be allowed anywhere near the government. You need to be fucked up and be like, I shouldn't do this. That's what you should feel. Most of the time when you're in government, you should be like, I'm too high for this.

But then, again, we have, like, Pete Heggseth is a notorious drunk. And so maybe he's too far. Maybe he's too. Somewhere between Trump and Heg Seth is the right level of drunk. Right, right. We need to figure this shit out. People need to do drugs, but the right amount. There's a math here.

Yeah, there is. So the problem with Alex's idea here is that it's transparent bullshit. Yeah. This is an explanation that's meant to justify. his change in behavior, not an actual shift in American politics. He didn't give up on the idea that the left-right paradigm was a fraud. He just fixed the problem. So it makes sense that he's a political hack now, a partisan dork.

Right, right, right. It's fucking nonsense. Everything made sense until I changed, and then it made sense again, but in the different way. What about Reagan? Yeah. Anyway, I was reflecting on how trapped Alex feels in the present day and how the show just feels like a guy spinning his wheels and trying to rationalize becoming the thing he's supposed to hate.

And I think I came up with as good a theory as I can with the information that's available. I think that Alex is trapped simply because his debts aren't dischargeable through bankruptcy. Info wars and free speech systems can go out of business, but he'll have that debt hanging over him no matter what. So no business he tries to run in the future is going to be free from that. He's gotten around this by setting up the Alex Jones store with Bigley and putting Chase Geyser's name on the filing for the Alex Jones network. so in effect he's owned. If Bigley says you have to support Trump no matter what, what else can Alex do?

He's unemployable at any legitimate business in the media. He can't start his own thing without it being subject to his debts, so there's nowhere he can go. As much as Bigley stuff has been the escape parachute that'll allow him to be rich for the rest of his life, it's also a cage. And in Alex's field, these kinds of optics are a really big problem, whether they reflect reality or not.

It could very well be the case that Bigley doesn't give a shit what he says on air, but the fact that he's their employee affects how an audience sees what he does. It starts to give them more reasons to question the sincerity of the positions he puts out, because quite literally he's no longer independent. I think that Alex is inspiring a lot of these kinds of questions in his listener's head, which is he's seeing it expressed directly back at him on social media. They're seeing his behavior as being exactly what he would have called being a sellout earlier in his career,

so Alex knows that he has to explain why what he's doing now is totally cool. Electoral politics used to be bullshit and all the politicians were actors, but Alex fixed that all. So it's important that you vote straight ticket for Republicans in the midterm or else the devil might get you.

It just feels very defensive of the... Like, I don't know if his bosses now are telling him our brand is bigly. That's a Trump reference. That is a Trump reference. We are a Trump business. Yep. You cannot be on the Alex Jones store and break with Trump.

Our hat's say Trump is super great. Yeah. I don't know if that's the case. But the fact that Alex is behaving in exactly the way you would if your boss has told you, you have to continue this. Right. I think it's causing concern in the audience's minds. And he's now in a position where nothing can be felt as truly free. Nothing can be truly sincere.

Yeah. And the downside of this, I think, is obviously there's one explanation that is Roger knows some shit that Alex doesn't want out. Sure. There's one explanation of this that is Bigley's marketing and their whole business is based on Trump. So our big guy. Right. He's got to be. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. That's one explanation. But I think the explanation that is way more attractive for the conspiracy audience, is to create another conspiracy on top of it. Yeah. And that is that he now works for Israel. Right.

And I think that that's the danger and a lot of the negative stuff he is responding back to. And that, that ping pong, that back and forth between him and the audience. Yeah. I think it only gets more toxic as it goes along. Yeah. I mean, it really is an example of that, like, you know, nobody gives a shit what you say until you do something. You know, and it is like back in the day, sure he took ads. Sure, Marty Shactor's allowed to do fucking limericks and shit like that.

Yeah. But he was doing the stuff that you would do if you don't have a boss. He was doing the stuff you would do if you're independent. He was doing the stuff you could do if nobody could really give you consequences. This is not that. This is not the behavior. And that we can see other people engaging in the behavior you would do if you didn't have consequences. It is so stark.

Yeah. That even if he's not being owned, even if he's not being run by anybody, he's acting like he is. Yeah. And, and, you know, that's, there's the other explanation that that leads to, which is just the, he is such a guy. Just a loser, yeah. He's blinded by his, he's blinded by the closeness that he feels to the president and the, the, you know, the structure of power. Yeah. That he can't even see how contradictory he is.

Yeah. I mean, he just wrapped up too much of his own ego in it, and now he's trapped, you know? And that's a completely possible explanation for everything. Sure. The fact that the behavior is so, like, it leads you to look for other explanations. Right, right, right. And I think that the ones that are conspiracy ones are, are escapist. Sure.

And the ones that are kind of like businessy related are more. plausible. Sure. That's kind of where... Yeah. Either way, you're on the wrong fucking side. Yeah. So Alex has a guest on to talk about his Lumer shit and the coup on Pete Eggset.

All right. All right. Let's go to Ivan Rakeland, Green Beret, Defense Intelligence Agency, lawyer. Does great work with General Flynn. I appreciate him joining us from the road. I wanted to get his take on Laura Lumer. whose intel I've matched with mine on a Secretary of Army

Deep State coup tried to drive Heg-Seth out and that will implicate Trump claiming it's a war crime blowing up these boats. I'd like to imagine that there were some people sitting at home listening to Alex and Lumer talk and they were on the fence on the credibility of what they were saying but then Ivan Rakeland's going to come push him over the hump.

There you go. Having him on is pretty funny, particularly about there being a deep state coup against the Secretary of War because Ivan was supposed to be the Secretary of retribution when Trump got back in office. Yeah. He made a big deal out of offering globalists amnesty if they confessed by a certain date.

And now a year into Trump's second term, he's doing a call-in from his car on Alex's show to talk about dumb shit. Laura Lumer tweeted, reminding people that Ivan Rakelin exists is embarrassing. It seems like a net negative for Alex. I would just cut him loose. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you can't do deep state anymore. That's not doable. You can't do deep state.

You can still do globalists because at least they're maybe not in the government. Right. But you can't do deep. Everybody is deep state. Sure. They all work for the same guy. It's crazy. Yeah.

And I think that when you have all branches of government and you can create something like a doge. Yeah. And you can get away with these things. Yeah. There's no excuse for a deep state existing because you can just stop them. You can literally kill them. Yes. If you know them, you can go kill them.

Yeah. And people will have to eat it. You know? Like, they won't even be, they'll be like, shit. It's silly now to talk about this kind of show. Oh, this guy was jogging with a guy. Oh, so then we shot him because that's what we can do now. Right.

Right? It's a little much. It's crazy. So, um, Alex asks Ivan about this, uh, the takeover here that's going on at the coup and what have you. And, uh, I think Ivan's petty. They can get control the Pentagon, then they're green lit for their main move against Trump, which will signal for the left to do their national uprisings.

Then when Trump tries to call to military, the leadership will say no, and then we're set up. Right. Not only are they stopping at not trying to block accountability for all the transgressions of the Austin years, like you're saying, they're going above and beyond. And at the end of the day, I mean, what stops them from doing it? So far, the first Trump administration, there was no accountability. So far almost a year into it, there's been no accountability. So at this point in time, if I was talking to President Trump,

he's got to look himself in the mirror and decide for himself, is he going to be a wartime, a domestically wartime president? Because we are at the, I'd say, the apex of the 1770s meets 1860s meets 1960s, and they're trying to escalate that on steroids. The fastest and quickest way to do that is you have to bring in people that have already proven up and rejected the tyranny of the last four years, bring them into senior level positions so that they are ready, willing, and able to destroy this communist takeover. See, at the end of the day, it's Trump's fault for not making me Secretary of Retribution.

Okay. Here's what I'm thinking. All right. We, uh, everybody who's into it right now, uh, we dig a really big hole and we stay down there for a couple of years. And then when we get up, I imagine this place will be empty. Yeah, you know, I do think I don't like Bunker Thoughts.

I'm having bunker thoughts, man. It feels like these guys just need to be left alone and then there'll be a problem that solves itself. They will destroy each other and themselves. But we all will be heard in the process. Right, right, right. It's true. We got to find, we got to find a space base or something.

Like, we can wait this out. I don't think that. Talk to Elon. Yeah, I think Space Space is going to be rough for the roughly five and a half billion people who hate these guys. Yeah. I think, you know, like, obviously, yeah, let's dig a hole. Sure. But we just got to mitigate whatever damage they can do, you know?

Right. I don't know. I guess. Ugh. I think it's really, really funny that his take on it is basically like, if he would have put me in a, I would have stopped this. Absolutely. These people need accountability and retribution.

Hey, you know what I'm good at. Yeah. I like saying accountability from him. That's a fun word to say from the secretary of retribution. It's Trump's own fault. He should look in the mirror and made me part of the cabinet. And then we'd be cool. Instead, I'm calling into Alex's show, apparently from an airport.

Oh, boy. Good times. It's like he wants to be a superhero, like the retributor. You know, like the Punisher version two. Yeah, he wants to be something. Yeah. So here's something stupid, they say. Right, and he needs to be flanked by those members of the administration that are not playing ball if he's going to keep them in place.

I mean, I know one thing. He's like, oh, Cash Patel's doing great. Pam Bondi's doing great over on Fox News. Well, if you're going to keep them, Mr. President, why don't you have them flank you and address exactly what their responsibilities and roles are to the American people in order to support the mandate that we get? That's right. We need to see public loyalty pledges. This is all about not being loyal to the president and who the voters voted for. Exactly.

Absolutely. Because that way he can directly speak to the people. He can't do this by himself. They want Trump to make appointees and cabinet members have public loyalty pledges. That's a great idea. What the fuck are they talking about? Well, okay. So when, let's say you're in 1350.

All right. So you're in 1350. And you've got a dude. Duke or an Earl who kind of you thought about seeing what's going up. Absolutely. Duke, Duke, Duke. And then you, you know, you see him marry somebody and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That person is connected to these people.

You got to come to the court. You got to publicly pledge your loyal to meet Neil. And then I'm going to chop your wife's head off. Right. I mean, like honestly, it does feel like Alex is like, okay, Cash Patel can stay as head of the FBI if he takes the knee. Yep. If he will renounce being king in the north. He's got to take the black and he's got to go to the wall.

It's fucking insane. Like what world are we living? I don't know. These people are literally children. Like it's so hard to imagine. They probably rightly complain about dictators making people do loyalty oaths. Public humiliation rituals meant to create a dominant hierarchy. So here's what we need to do.

We need to get everybody in the country to get in a room, and then Trump's going to bring a goat in there and say it's a deer. And whoever doesn't say it's a deer, get shot in the fucking head, and then we move on with our lives. It's the only way to make sure that the public is loyal to the person that the public voted for. Absolutely. Remove the concept of reality and just lick his boots. So I had some other clips. They're mostly dumb, and I don't care. One of them is Alex lying about being shaken down by Canadian cops.

Yeah. The most shakedowniest of cops. Yeah. But it doesn't really matter. Nothing really matters that much after you hear this next clip, which is just like go, just retire. That's right. Stay there.

I know you're in airport. I want to come back in two minutes. Yeah. I mean, they brought us here. They're doing it. They're the ones that want martial law, not us. But in response to them, we have martial law. I mean, do you cares, man.

Give up. They want martial law. law, not us. Yeah. So we're doing it. Yeah. To stop them. We must do martial law in order to stop martial law.

Yeah. Great man. Once you've reached that circular logic, it's over. He's made documentaries about how the globalists will argue that they need to do martial law to stop martial law. Yep. Fucking idiot. Yep.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I don't know what else there is to say. Yes. Right? That's nuts. That's what very. Villains. Yeah.

Yep. To protect you from yourself, I have to kill you. There's only one way to keep you safe. And that's to bury you in the ground. Yeah. Yep. I think that it's quite clear that whatever is Alex's current operation and his system, it is not the same thing that it was. No.

And I think that we have to get to a point. where we let go of the past and stop holding him in the present responsible for things in the past. Sure. Not like to say he's off the hook for everything, but like pretending that there is a, like a consistency that is demanded. Right. I think at a certain point we, and I'm pointing finger mostly at myself here. Sure. I have to realize that that's just, it's meaningless anymore.

Be like, oh my God, you want martial law. You're saying the same thing that you say the globalists would say, oh, look at you, you fucking hypocrite. You're in favor of sinking these boats. Right. It doesn't really matter. Right. What he is now is a new thing. Yeah.

And we may just have to accept that. Yeah. I mean, I would say it is a new thing that is the result of the totality. You know, in the same way that you can't be, whenever Mitch McConnell was pulling his shit, you know, you can't be like, oh, you're a hypocrite. no, I was, will, and will always say anything I need to say to get what I want. Yeah. The fact that what I want is maybe different than what it used to be has no effect on what it is I'm going to do to get it. Or I was obscuring what I wanted behind the facade of another goal prior.

Yep. And now that is no longer necessary. Right. I was always seeking to create a white nationalist imperialist. imperialist state under a racist dictator. I always wanted that. But that wasn't acceptable for me to advocate for in the past. So I pretended I love the Constitution.

And you better believe that it becomes unacceptable for me to do so in the future. I will tell you I never did. Right. Yep. And I think that that is a framework that we can look at him through. Yeah. But I do just think that there comes a time when the, trappings of his pretend character in the past have to just be dropped.

Yeah. And I'm getting closer and closer to that. Yeah. Like this, this, this image of Alex as being the same person, you're gone. No. Nope, can't be. And I think that we're embarking on a little bit of a path with Alex that is going to culminate in, I don't know.

It's still playing out even right now at the end of December. Yeah. Like how this episode is going to unfold. But we're dipping our toes into some bad water right now. I definitely feel very uncharted. I feel like this is a whole new thing. Not because it's like so unexpected or the events themselves are unusual. for humans.

Like, this is the same stuff. It's just all the toys are so different. You know, all the stuff they can do. It feels like one of the big things that kept us from all the horrifying stuff in the past was just possibility. If it takes two weeks to get a message somewhere, you can't be as dictatorish

as if you can be in everybody's home at the same time. You know? And I think that certainly we've not experienced someone who's so willing to just be like, oh yeah, the court said that, fuck that. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people thought, hey, you're going to get taken out.

Yep. You'll be removed from office somehow, but apparently not. Nope. It is uncharted, and I really wish that I remember the protagonist of that game's name, but I don't. Uncharted. Nathan Phileon. No. Nathan Lane.

Drake. Nathan Drake, or just Drake. Oh, Drake feels right. Right. I played that game a long time ago and forgot about it. Okay. Anyway, Uncharted. Yeah. It was also a movie.

Maybe starring Nathan Philean. No, it was starring Spider-Man. Which one? The kid Spider-Man. Garfield. No, no, no. That was a tall Spider-Man. What's his name?

The current Spider-Man. McGuire. No, that was old Spider-Man. That was a personal favorite Spider-Billion. Holland. Yes. Current Spider-Man. We found it.

Not animated Spider-Man. Anyway, we'll be back with another Spider-Man. breakdown. But until then, we have a website. Indeed we do. It's knowledge fight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX. Clark. I am the mysterious professor. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.