Knowledge Fight - #1123: This Is A Family (Hour) Show

Episode Date: March 9, 2026

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in with Alex's recent appearance on Joe Rogan's friend's podcast where they learn about how Bohemian Grove was more gay than satanic, and how your pets are psychic.

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you.

What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot, well, look, I love to open the door for people. I love to, you know, go last, but this March, and so that means I'm going first. You have to. Yeah. Yeah, I do. Tradition.

Now, look, this is corrective. Okay. It's a little bit corrective from my last bright spot. I think I was a little too positive about Survivor. Oh, boy. I think that I was a little too down on myself for being down on Survivor. Right, right, right. Because, like, okay, there's this guy.

This is a real roller coaster of emotions you're on here. There's this guy on the season, Christian, who was on season 37. And he was a fan favorite. He's great. Sure. He's a robot engineer nerd, and he made friends with Johnny, Johnny wrestling. No, Johnny wrestling is Johnny Gargano. Johnny Nitro, Johnny drip drip is John Morrison.

Okay. It was fun. The two of them made friends. Anyway, he's Christian, the robot nerd, is back on this season. And he pooped his pants and they made a big deal out of it. Sure. Now, here's my problem with this. Yeah.

I think they're all probably pooping their pants quite a bit. Okay. Right? I mean. Who made a big deal out of it? The producers? The show, yeah. But not the people in the tribe.

Oh, no. they were laughing at him a bit. Yeah, but, you know, you would expect to be laughed at a little bit. I would assume maybe the first instance of a, of a poop. Oh, is he pooping his pants a lot now? No, it just happened to this one time in the show. Well, this is strange, strange circumstances. You shit yourself.

That's fine. Your diet is fundamentally changing. Absolutely. You're exerting yourself more. Anyway, I think that the show went out of its way to, to quirk it up with him as like, oh, I shit my pants. Yeah. And it made me.

like him as a character less. And that was the producer's fault. Yeah, I think you're right. And so that is why I'm taking a little bit of a... Yeah, I accept no judgment for that. The number of people I've seen poop their pants for way less good reasons. Way less good reasons. Yeah.

And I didn't judge them. And they were in the alley in Chicago. Yeah, and if it happens every season, like, why are we dwelling on it in season 50? Come on, these people are shit. Come on. Yeah. Anyway, what's your bright spot? My bright spot is a follow up on my bright spot a few, a couple weeks ago.

The World Baseball Classic. Classic. In full flow, fantastic. You loving that crack going great. Oh, man, Schwabber, my favorite baseball player, hit it, hit it, it just cracked it out of the, out of the part. What about Shohay? Well, show he's playing for Japan right now. So you see how it works.

Right, but he's still your favorite baseball player. Well, obviously, but that's like saying God's my favorite God, you know, like it. They're supposed to only be one, ostensibly. So Shohei is your favorite. Yes. But temporarily you have to act like he's not because he's playing for a different country. He's playing for Japan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know me.

I'm as jingoistic as they come. Yeah, you love them. I love them. But the best part of the world baseball classic, as I told you, was the number of people who should not be playing professional baseball with professional baseball players. Yeah, yeah. And it is astonishing because Aaron Judge is. on the team USA.

He is 6'8. He weighs like 280 pounds and it is all, it's all muscle. Like he looks fucking insane next to some of these guys who are like 5 foot 4, who are the biggest guy in their hometown. Like it is crazy to see these two back to back. It's fantastic. What position does he play? Judge, he's an outfielder.

That big? That seems, that seems. Oh, he's, he's a, you know how linebackers used to be? like the faster big guys, but now you see defensive linemen weigh 350 pounds and run like 4-4. Yeah. He's like that. Okay.

Yeah. Been a while since I've watched baseball. God, he's huge. I just picture them as much tinier dudes. No, he's the home run, uh, uh, non-steroids version. Although when you look at him, you're like, people have to do steroids to compete with that. If that's from, from being born, then in order to compete with that, I have to do steroids.

So in a way, he kind of validates the steroid era. Interesting. Yeah. Um, so who's, um, So who's your pick for the classic? Well, I mean, the last few games Japan has played, they look shaky. And they're probably, they won last year in a fantastic close. You don't think Otani can just carry them on his back?

I mean, that's the question, because Team USA is stacked. They have the best team by a margin that is hard to quantify. It's crazy how good their team is. So I'm hearing basically that it's going to come down to U.S. in Japan. Probably. To you. That's your, it's your prediction.

Yeah, but I mean, that's the way it's come down the last time and... The last 50 years. Basically, there are two nations that fucking love baseball. And they're the two that wind up winning

the World Baseball Classic. Isn't that crazy? Well, I hope you enjoy it. I hope it's a good time. It is. I hope that your two favorite players have to go up against each other. Ah, me too.

Get torn. Oh, it'll be great. So, Jordan, today, we have an episode to go over. And, you know, If you look at the calendar, if you look at the clock, sure. You might notice that something has happened, and that is March 7th has come and gone. Yes.

And it appears that InfoWars is still in business. How about that? And hasn't gone under like Alex predicted. Wild. But it's still a weekend when we're recording this. That's true. Who knows what devil relies in the weekend? Maybe they just couldn't get enough people to work on the weekend.

They got to wait until Monday. Right. That happens. So I don't want to over commit to something like, ah, Alex is going. on. Sure. He's out of business. So I thought, hey, let's just go way off the beaten path.

All right. And we're going to do something different. All right. Today. But first, before we get to that, let's take a moment to say hello to some new Wong. That's a great idea. So first, a sudzy soliloquy. Thank you so much.

You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy won. Thank you. Next, Taliban, Tim. You have seven days. Your dog peed on my bed. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk.

I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Thank you. And Andrew Beefcake. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much.

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Welcome to World Benjamin. So sorry you'll soon know Alex's voice as well as your own parents. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bum, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bam. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much. Yes, thank you very much. So we're going to talk about Alex being on another show here in a moment. All right. But before I reveal what that is, he said something that I think is a perfect summation of his career that I'm going to present as an out-of-contextra. Okay. That sounds like bold because it is. Yeah.

Well, there you go. That's, I think. It sounds like it because it is. 1,100 episodes in, I can say there's nothing quicker to help you understand this dumb fuck than that. Yeah, if it sounds like bold, that's because it is. Done. So Alex was just on Duncan Trustle's podcast, the Duncan Truzzle family hour. Duncan Truzzle.

Yeah. Same Duncan Truzzle. New and improved. The one I know? I mean, physically. I mean, I guess his cells have reproduced since the last time you thought about it. him or saw him soon. Yeah, every seven years. The boat of Theseus has changed all of his blood. There you go. Yeah. Maybe it's how it works. And maybe he was never real to begin with because

ooh, he could be a hologram or phantom or something. That sounds like something he would say. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I used to love Duncan Trussell. Yeah, that was fun. Back in a time when Joe Rogan's podcast really was just drunk or stoned comedians telling mostly untrue stories, Duncan was the one who seemed the coolest to me. Rogan himself was a jock and he seemed like the type who was prone to violence. Joey Diaz was a creepy old dude who clearly didn't respect other people's boundaries, but could tell an amazing, mostly untrue story. God, he could tell a great story.

Burke Kreischer was an aging alcoholic who seemed like he'd be fun to party with for a night, and he could tell an amazing, mostly untrue story really well. But past a day, I don't know if I want to be around that. No, too many times to see. see a man take a shirt off. Ari Sheffir seemed like a bully. And for the most part, Tom Sakura seemed fine, but whatever. Sure.

But Duncan was different. I'm not sure I've ever seen him do a set of stand-up, and if I have, I certainly don't remember his material. I don't think I've heard him say anything that's particularly funny. And honestly, most of his stories about drugs are the kind of stories that could be true and untrue at the same time, like a Hunter S. Thompson piece. Sure. You're like, ah, I get, you're accurately described.

the feeling of being high, but the details that you're using are heightened and not true. Yeah. Even though I wasn't actually sure what it was that Duncan did that was so great, it was clear to me that he felt special. And maybe he was. It seemed like he could be one of Rogan's friends who'd be able to transcend the downfall of his orbit. It was looking good for a little bit. But the other day, Duncan released an episode of his podcast, The Duncan Trussell Family Hour, with his guest being Alex Jones. Great.

Joe won't have Alex on at this point, so it's pretty hard not to see this as Duncan picking up scraps, which on its own is pretty sad. It's a bad look. Not like having followed Duncan's career super closely for the past years. This is not a marquee moment. You know, I here's the thing about Duncan. Here's the thing about Duncan. from time to time he can

trick you into wanting to make excuses for his inability to think clearly on his behalf so my instinct my like my initial reaction to this is like

what is it that Duncan is missing that allowed him to do this but he wasn't missing anything that's bullshit no that's an illusion yeah Duncan knows what he's doing

the premise that you've introduced to your understanding of Duncan is incorrect. It is. He knows what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah. And this, I don't know.

This is a... Look, there's a lot of times. I can listen to a whole Patrick Bad David interview. Yeah. I didn't make it through this. I believe you. I can't imagine listening to... First off, I can't imagine listening to Alex talk to Duncan Trussell,

but I really can't imagine listening to Duncan go off on his bullshit while Alex is trying to, like, tag team with him. Yeah. There was a part of it that, like, I still thought Duncan, he seems fun, and that's part of the problem. Right. But, like, it's so boring. It just got so fucking boring, the two of them talking, that I had to turn it off, like, with a little bit left in the episode. So I don't know if there's a big reveal at the end, but didn't make it. Anyway, here's where we start things off.

All right. welcome friends before we dive into this important perhaps the most important episode of the dTFH i've got to go through my dates won't you come see me in person you can find me in bloomington indiana i wonder if duncan even knew which episode he was recording this plug for when he called it the most important episode on his show if he did that's pretty funny but i will i'll say that i kind of like hearing someone plug their live dates at the beginning of a show Like that feels like what podcasting is for for comedians. Trying to drive traffic to your live dates. Yeah. This makes sense.

It's the classic traditional podcasting that we came of age with. It was shocking to hear, I guess, in 2026, because the beginning of so many podcasts are just like long strings of ads. Yeah. Yep. And then the middle is whenever they do an ad and they announce their tour dates and then do another ad. and then so Duncan he's hyping up this

episode before it gets going and I think it's something I don't get his vibe man and now my friends I continue a string of powerful historic episodes of the DTFH

just in the last few episodes we have had Donnie Rothschild Sion to the Rothschild empire Abby Martin, who is single-handedly potentially going to take down the military industrial complex. Good luck! The icing on the cake in this Trinity of Glory, which is what I'm calling the last three episodes. Host of InfoWars, host of the Alex Jones show, the man who's kept his ear on the satanic railroad track that the Illuminatiati-Roy track that the Illuminani Rocks,

their little demonic choo-choo train back and forth from hell on Alex Jones Duncan really can only give this introduction of his awareness of Alex's surface level which is the ultimate irony

about the character that he plays himself that is this like oh I got to get to the bottom everything I see I see through the bullshit you're giving like a cookie cutter mainstream media ass version of Alex you believe is real he's supposed to be a psycho-nob who sees through the illusions of the world.

He's not just someone who takes a headline at face value. He's supposed to be deeper. But any engagement with Alex's career in what he does wouldn't allow you to look at him as a guy who's kept his ear to the satanic railroad. What the fuck he's saying? That impression of Alex is really only possible if you take in Alex's marketing

and accept that without much further questioning. I don't know enough about Abby Martin to speak on her too much, but I'm pretty sure she's not going to take down the military industrial complex. and Donnie Rothschild is a fake character that Drussell has on his show who pretends to be a part of the Rothschild family. And this is where it gets kind of murky.

And we need to view this with a little bit of caution because of humor. Duncan's presenting this as a powerful trio of guests and giving equal weight to Abby Martin, who's meant to be taken as a serious journalist, and Donny Rothschild, who's a joke character. Including Alex in that trio makes a strange broth. And I think it's important to be clear up front that Duncan still doing a show that aims to be funny

and that has to weigh in the evaluations of the things they say. Yeah. I still think, you know, I can tell that he's not just putting on Alex for humor. Yeah. He, but that trio is strange.

Yeah. I mean, it suggests like, and his the problem I have is that preamble bullshit he uses for everything, you know, that like, uh, he'd searches for the Illuminati of Black. He says that about anybody doing anything

all the time. This guy it's always about a prayer you're saying through the veil and shit like that. And then to have, to even suggest that somebody would single-handedly take down the military industrial complex is like, that has to be funny. That has to be a...

But I could see that as being an exaggeration or an embellishment of something he truly believes about her as a journalist. Right. That's the question. Yeah. Is he mocking her? He can't. He can't be. But it wouldn't make sense.

In order for the whole thing to make sense. She is actually the one who is taking the blow. Either he has to be making fun of her or he's taking Alex seriously. Yes, exactly. And that is like, who is in trouble here? Yeah. Oh, boy. So Alex, he's always wanted, or Duncan's always wanted to have Alex on.

I believe that. Alex Jones, I got to tell you right away, man. you are in my top three dream guests for this podcast. I've wanted you on this show for so long. And thank you for giving your time. I'm a huge fan of yours forever. Thank you. Shut the fuck up.

15 years ago with Joe. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, listen, you know, that's where I first met you was through Joe, not in the flesh, but when I got to be friends with Joe, we go over to his house, get stoned. And we had like old school Info Wars, Alex Jones stuff on VHS. and we'd sit and watch it and just freak the fuck. You know, I know Joe since like,

I met him in 98, we got to know him his friend's 99, but he called in on 9-11. When I was saying they blew up the towers, he was like, you're going too far. And I'm not criticizes. He said that because it was the day of him, but I'm always proud that Joe called in on 9-11.

Wow. Pretty crazy. Wow. So if Duncan has had Alex as a dream guest forever, and it's only happening now in 2026, he should read a little bit into that. Alex has been on Joe's other friend's shows in the past So this should have been a pretty simple booking

If he ever really wanted to do it Yeah I mean for fuck sake Darya emailed us Yep How bad Alex? Alex would like to come on your show That was in 2018 Yep You better believe it

Duncan could have had him on at any time Yeah I mean God this is This is I'm a little taking aback I'm on my back heels Sure I'm on my back heels here

because I'm confused. I'm confused as to how this is going to go. I don't see these two jiving together. I see no possible way that either of them can can like, yes and each other. Duncan is Duncan and Alex is Alex. How? How?

Well, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, they say chocolate and peanut butter is two flavors that are meant to go together. Right. peanut butter and piss yeah I was gonna say they don't go well together but they both serve a function

if you should evacuate your urinary tract this is the way to go I suppose if you are in the post apocalypse and you come upon some peanut butter sure somebody peed on it but that's still peanut butter

you know and urine is I completely fucked up my metaphor and I don't know how to make it, but I'm high as Duncan Truffle right now. So you have to forgive my mind. It is, it's like. But like they are, they do work together. Yeah. Somehow. They meld, but it's bad. Yeah. It's not entertaining. Their energies are off. Yeah. But Duncan clearly is like really into Alex. Yeah. Alex. Yeah. Is fine with him. I think it's, I think it's fascinating on two levels. first, clearly this is Duncan living out something from his past

so that he hasn't been able to get out of his head. Yeah, because when he and Joe used to get high and watch VHS tapes of Alex pretending to be a revolutionary, they were inspired by that. Absolutely. This is the guy that he, when he sees him, he sees 1998 Alex. That's who he is, he thinks he is talking to, which of course means that he has no idea what Alex's, what Alex's show has been for what? 20 years? He's just bought the hype and whatever bullshit maybe Rogan's told him and like kept

this idea of that 98 Alex in his head. And that's kind of sad. And then the second thing is if Alex is coming on his show now, that means that Alex thinks now that he is going to be welcomed in a more ideological manner by Duncan than he perhaps would have five or six years ago. That and he doesn't think he has the ability to get on like other things. Sure. This is the ceiling. This is available. Yeah.

Yeah. So Duncan starts off the interview and I think Alex gets weirdly defensive about something. I wonder if you could shed a little light on how you got on this path because, you know, I was doing some research on you. Saw your dad's a dentist. You're a football player. I'm trying to picture. And you and I, we're the same age. So we have the same sort of memories as far as global events go and stuff.

I'm thinking back when I was in high school. And, you know, you meet somebody. They derail you. They introduce you to music or whatever. Who introduced you? Who is the first person who started showing you that maybe things aren't exactly the way the news makes them seem? Well, no way you heard I was a football player. I did play football until I was like a sophomore and I was terrible.

So I was good enough to be on the team and get run over and get bones broken. You were a football player, man. And you could see it. You're like, you could see it to this day. Like, you've got the athletic thing going on. I was good enough to make the team and get it run over. Okay. I was like, I can't believe on this team.

I actually quit because I was, I don't mind getting hurt for a reason, but I'm actually whipped out. Okay, okay. Well, but where did they? They put me on varsity when I was like a junior. I was being run over by huge black dudes. And I was like, I've had enough of this. So I'm actually a huge pussy.

But how did it happen? I don't know where it got in the lore that, but play football I did. It's not a constant thing, but Alex does talk about playing football a bunch on his show. And he's even talked about a football coach that he had with soup who was like into the New World Order stuff. Yeah. That he remembers back. He's like, oh, my favorite teacher. Oh, my God.

Alex is strangely defensive. And I think it's because of nerds versus jocks. I agree. I think that's exactly what he's doing right now. I think he thinks that if he admits to being a football player, he is Duncan's enemy in an 80s movie. 100% that is it feels his psychopathy like triangulating oh no no no I need to be I need to be not the physical imposing Alex to Duncan otherwise that's going to adjust our dynamic I can't be threatening to this dark because he is a smaller fella yeah yeah yeah also if you hear like a lot of breathing that's Alex yeah yeah there's an unsettling heavy breathing that Alex does throughout this so they they you know I think I think Duncan's question is an interesting one. Sure.

You can have a friendship that sets you on a course. I wonder if we should be doing interviews on behalf of Alex because you're not going to get a real answer from Alex. Like we could give a more accurate answer. I think it would be fascinating if someone could trick Alex into doing an interview and then ask us the same questions and then air them back to back. Yes. That would be interesting.

Yeah. But the question is, I think, if Alex were to actually answer it, interesting. Like some friend that you had who, like, opened your mind. Totally. But instead, Alex is just kind of the standard stuff. Family was in intelligence, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I grew up in Rockwall, a suburb of Dallas, and my dad was a dentist,

and my mom had like a degree in history with a homemaker. But I've told the story before, but maybe you didn't know it. People always go, oh, my God, he's a spy. No, I mean, I had, my mom's brother was in Iran contrary, it was Army Special Operations, and then I had some other family out of World War II that had done stuff in World War II, and they were always talking bad about the government and the plan for world government and all the stuff. So it was kind of background noise just growing up, hearing about this stuff. Yeah.

And so I think that kind of primed me. I didn't really have an interest in politics until we moved down here when I was about a junior in high school. Yeah. My dad told us dental offices just we moved down to Austin. And, you know, Waco happened right after that. And then everybody was just watching the news. All this stuff was happening. Can I stop you on Waco, please?

No. This is already a lie. Because we know that by the time Alex was a junior in high school, he'd already been a Satanist for a brief stretch. And he was turned on to the New World Order from reading Nundare Cullet Conspiracy when he was 12. Plus, God gave Alex a huge download that told him his future as a child. And he was crafted in the womb as a weapon.

against the devil. So this whole, I didn't have an interest in politics until I was 17 shit, is dumb. Yeah. And Duncan's just gobbling it all up. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I suppose, I suppose this is something that most people don't think of, which is the idea that when I am interviewing this person, they are giving me completely different answers

than when they're talking to one of their own. You know, like that boggles my mind. how many people don't realize that when you're not one of his group. So you don't count to him. You're just an outsider. You are at best a conduit to whoever listens to your show. Exactly. You are an infection point to me as opposed to someone who I actually am taking seriously.

Right. Like you would assume if you were seeing a person who is Alex, Alex looks like a human being, you would be like, well, at least the answers would be similar. from one place to another. Sure, there's little flourishes. Sure, there's little differences. But the idea of like, oh, well, this guy is going to tell me this. But then he's going to go to the next room and say that he was told it by God.

Yeah, no one has perfect consistency. But like overarching thematic lying is, it's a telltale sign. Yeah. And that is the second part. He is not telling you the truth, even though you might feel like, oh, this is the truth. And he doesn't tell the truth on his other show, right? Because that's the crazy one. This is whenever he's talking to the reasonable person.

Here's a twist. Yeah? Both are not true. Yep. Exactly. None of it's true. It's not like one has to be true. Nope.

They can both be lies. He can both be lies. He's lying to you and lying about God. He's just a liar. Yep. So I was interested, though, that Duncan is like, hey, man, what about that Waco? Let's talk Waco. Let's talk Waco.

I was interested in like, what is his question going to be? We're so early in the end. interview. Can I stop you on Waco, please? Because I don't know, like, this is something that occurred to me, and it's really crazy. You are at Waco with Bill Hicks. Bill Hicks went up there to film some stuff and Timothy McVeigh. You, Timothy McVeigh, Bill Hicks, and obviously Koresh, were at Waco at the same time. Now, you're the only survivor of those four. You know, there. Excuse Bill Hicks,

pancreatic cancer, but I just think about how come someone hasn't just made a movie about those days when people were coming up there to see this horror that was happening,

to see this thing that was probably confirming for you all that background noise that you were hearing. Well, sure. I mean, just to be clear, I had just gotten out of high school. Yeah.

And so I was here in Austin and I did go up there and talk about, but I hadn't even got in media yet. So I tend to technically, you know, was there right after it happened, and not right when it blew up, but like the days after. And so it was bizarre that was going on.

And then I met Kevin Booth, who I met Joe Rogan through a comedy producer, and he'd been Bill Hicks's producer. And so that's where that crazy rumor started that I'm Bill Hicks, which is hilarious. Which is a huge compliment. And I'll tell you, I don't think I'm going to look much liking, though. I know one late night. I went down that rabbit hole. I'm looking at pictures of you and Bill Hicks.

And, you know, because you are funny. I mean, that's one of the things that's really. interesting about you. You're kind of like a gonzo journalist. You're some kind of like combination of like, oh God, Hunter S. Thompson. You've got some Hunter S. Thompson in you. But you're a journalist. You're a journalist. You're a hard worker too. I can't imagine what your schedules like. This is the Duncan Truzzle difference. This is why he's good at this shit, because he's a real idiot, but he seems relatable and fun. Yeah. There's so many documentaries that have been made about Waco and the aftermath. And Alex's producer,

Mike Hanson even shot a bunch of stuff about Alex getting involved with helping rebuild the church. Yeah. But there might not be a documentary that focuses on the fact that Alex Jones, Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh, and Bill Hicks were all there at the same point. Yeah. Maybe. It's kind of a crazy piece of trivia to think of, particularly if you're stoned. But I'm not sure if it means anything. And that's where Duncan Trussle shines.

Yeah. That's the sweet spot. Yeah. It doesn't mean anything but blow. Not sure it means anything, but also it blows my... my mind is what Duncan Trussell is here for. He's so intensely likable and has such a fun vibe that you start to evaluate the stuff he's saying with a diminished expectation.

Yep. It's the soft bigotry of diminished expectations. I told you. Because you don't have the same demand that a psychonaut like him who's done every drug imaginable be able to keep his thoughts organized. You just enter it with a like, I'll look at this. You might as well be a fucking Muppet. It is bothersome to me.

just how much you have revealed that I think he's a fucking Muppet. Yes. The game that Duncan plays is one of selective curiosity, and I don't really fault it too much, but also I think it needs to be understood for what it is. He's so curious, like a little puppy, about things that are fun for him to think about, like whether or not Alex's Bill Hicks or if four people being at Waco is suspicious. But he's not really all that curious about other stuff that's inconvenient or not fun, like whether or not Alex is a gonzo journalist.

If you question whether Alex is Bill Hicks or if those four people being at Waco means anything, you get nowhere. It's masturbatory questioning and curiosity, which is fine to engage in. It's fun. It's what people do. It's kind of socializing and a lot of creative shit pops out of that kind of mental play. So I understand why people do it. I don't think it's wrong. Nope.

Conversely, if you question the premise of whether or not Alex is a gun, journalist, that isn't a question that goes nowhere. He has a long track record that we've been exploring for years, and it doesn't hold up. If Duncan began to question his faith in the illusion of Alex, it would be threatening to his sense of fun, because what if he learns something about him being a malevolent racist? Yeah. What does it mean about how important Alex was in shaping his conspiracy brain once he

learns that new piece of information? What does it mean about Joe Rogan's decades-long friendship with him when he realizes Alex is full of shit? Yep. He's not curious about that. He's curious about fun stuff. Yep. Even scary stuff is fun like a horror movie, like how there's demons that walk among us. Yeah.

That's fun still. Yeah, it is another example of how what I've learned over our years is how everybody either wants to believe the bullshit, or requires belief in the bullshit to make their money. And that's, you know, media matters requires belief in the bullshit to make their money off of him. He requires his bullshit to make the money off of him. But Duncan Trussell, it's more fun to believe that there is a Hunter S. Thompson out there doing Alex Jones shit. It doesn't, he doesn't need it. And I don't think, I don't know if I have this clip even or not, but at one point he even is saying it's more fun to believe.

Yeah. Like that people at Bohemian Grove are doing satanic rituals. Absolutely. Absolutely. There's a desire that people have. And I honestly think a lot of that is because we want to feel like we're living in a fictional story. Yep. And we have archetypes from media that we grew up liking. Yep.

That are much more fun to project onto things than like, oh, no, it's just some asshole who wants to make a couple more dollars. Yep. Yeah. I mean, it is not hard to understand why people don't. like look directly at it. It's no fun when it. Like we look directly at it. That's no,

we make our fun out of it. But like to suddenly reveal that that guy that you have spent 25, 30 years with, that you got high and read and listened and read and was like, oh, is he Bill Hooks? To just be a racist propagandist. And take it even a step further. The only reason you even really have a career

is because, of your mutual friend, Joe Rogan. Yeah. And he has supported this guy. How threatening is that to your identity? You used to get high and watch this guy's tapes with the guy who is now the most famous podcaster in the world who has a bunch of fucking weirdo billionaires on and probably swung the last election.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it is a different version of the very same, uh, Boys Club Network that protects abusers in all forms and fashion. It's that same thing of like, well, sure, maybe I know he was an abuser, but my job relies on him. So if I just look over here, then maybe I don't know that he's an abuser. Yeah.

You know? This is looking the other way, but it feels a little bit more fun because it has like psychedelics and sort of, ooh, magic spells. But that's how we know. That's where he's the most dangerous is whenever you're. he's taken out of his Nazi world and allowed to pretend to be with Duncan.

I would agree. So Duncan asks Alex about Waco and I think that I would love to hear more about it but instead Alex just talks about his own career on public access. But tell me about those days you were up there in Waco

witnessing the smoldering ruins of this like home where I don't know how many kids were incinerated by Janet Reno. What was that like? Well, I had just got out of high school, and Access TV started in Austin and New York.

They debate where it started first, like 40 or 45, whenever it was in the, whatever it was, a long time ago. And so there were all these activists that were doing their own things and shooting interviews and stuff. And I was going down there right out of high school right as it happened, wanting to be involved.

And so, well, just get in this van with us, we're going up there. And we're talking to survivors, the few they just let out of jail, and we're going out through the site, and it's still black. and they're like going look they said they didn't use c s tear gas but here's the illegal canister and jesus wesley clark the former attorney general you know and her famous presidents is showing up

and it's like this murder scene yeah and they're going yeah the delta force was over here and i'm like 18 years old hearing all this and it was all so people asked how i got involved it was so excited yeah it wasn't watching a marvel comic movie it wasn't some fantasy thing right to me i didn't understand any of it i was just i wanted to get into media i was right out of high school and i went I did the community college and stuff, but they were after that, but it was like, they were teaching me like 30-year-old stuff from RTF, where you television film. Everybody said, go to an access show. And so I had right out of high school by 93 for taking the classes by 94, gotten on air, and we're still trying to find those original tapes. We have tapes back to 95.

But back then, it was like a show once a month. So it was literally just me, a young kid trying to figure out, you know, and kind of then everybody said, oh, this guy's a great liberal because I was against the police, you know, the military burning down at church. and I was anti-war. And so I kind of got in with the cool libertarian liberals, which really don't really exist much anymore. Right. Because they're Nazis.

They were anti-war. They were all homeopathic, vitamins, anti-vaccine. And so I resonated with that whole group in Austin, which quite frankly I looked back on it was a bunch of basically like hippies. Right. That's it. But a lot of them had like businesses or doctors or city council members,

but they were not really hippies. Right. Like the old school liberals. Yeah. So not really hippies. Rich people. Yeah. Yepies.

Sure. Yeah. But maybe. who weren't uptight. Yeah, who let you get high in their backyard. Yeah. Because people who are uptight kind of suck. That's what Duncan knows.

That is true. So I think that question reveals a little bit about how Alex felt early in his career that is close to around Waco. But it doesn't give us much insight into what it was like to be at Waco. No. And so I think, and I think that's a good, sign that like, okay, this is going to be about yourself. You're going to just take an interesting question and make it personal.

Yeah, it would be like, but listen, if there were cool stories about him being at Waco, he would tell those cool stories. There probably aren't. Exactly. Yeah. If he's not telling a cool story, he's not even bothering to make up a cool story about what would be objectively a cool thing, at least in, you know, in 2026 to be like, I was there. Here was the feeling.

It was the smell. We went to dinner afterwards. There was a coffee place. There was all this stuff that you could feel the smoke in your nostrils at the coffee place. You know that kind of shit. He's complaining about how community college RTF education isn't up to date enough. He's talking about community college and not Waco. So he doesn't have any cool stories about Waco.

I would think not. Yeah. But it veered into complaining about the left and liberals. Oh, the left. Oh, they're the worst. But back then, liberals are pretty cool, actually. That's, well, yeah, you know, and that's a kind of, that's something that we've all witnessed is this bizarre mutation of liberals into somehow they're now kind of into war. Well, liberals were always the guys that knew about esoteric and hallucinogens in war.

And they could also shoot a gun and they were fun. And they were like intellectuals. Right. And then it became like cult member bots to just, nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke, Russia, you know, cut kids' dicks off. Right. It's one of the strangest things. And, you know, I think that what probably almost fictional.

It's just the evolution of the machine that you have been so talented at outlining. That it figured out a way to not resist. But to co-op its main opposition. That's it. That's it. And it's the most sinister fucking thing. Well, Joe, he talks about it because you saw the documentary. I mean, when they really got the left was WTO 1999,

you have 100,000 liberals out saying, We're not handing over our sovereignty, the World Trade Organization, U.S. sovereignty. And so they hired Antifa to attack the police. Right. So they would have an excuse me. Antifa. Right. Arrest the peaceful people.

What? That's where, yeah. And then the left kind of, the NGOs kind of capitulated. And then, you know, the liberal organizations just bowed down. Like, the ACLU used to defend the KKK marching. Right. I hate the KK, but I agree with defending them. Now they don't.

Right. And that was the start of that. Right. Right. Nailed it. So this clip was the first point where I didn't. believe that Duncan met what he was saying. Up to this point, I could believe that he was deluded and just didn't really know what

Alex's show was actually like, but this is impossible to come off as sincere. It's great to complain that there's a strain of liberal that's lost their connection to what liberal values really mean, and I have zero problem with making fun of them. However, to be in the world that we're in, with the GOP becoming what it is, to be sitting across the table from a guy who'd cry on air about how much he loved Trump, and to primarily be focused on how liberals are all bots now is just fucking embarrassing. One of the problems that we run into is that Alex is supposed to transcend the left-right paradigm, and a big part of that marketing campaign is blurring the lines of what left and

right even mean. One of the pillars of Alex's conservative ideology is a belief in the free market, but now he supports Trump's very obvious manipulation of markets all over the place. He's supposed to believe in state sovereignty as a betrack of the Constitution, and now he's totally fine with Trump using federal power against states because he didn't mean it. There is no left right to him. Nope. Because those words don't have meaning.

Right. I want to extend Duncan as much grace as possible, but it's really hard when he has these criticism of the left while interviewing Alex. Having the awareness of Alex that I do, it's impossible for that to come off as anything other than complete incompetence or willful deception. It's not cute, dopey, fun guy. I mean, here's the thing. What's immediately disqualifying to everything that Duncan Trussell believes or is saying or will say is that Alex is like, hey, listen, you should cover up the Epstein files.

If Alex was any of this like intrepid journalist bullshit, then he would have to at the very least say, I want you to release all of the names. And if you're going to cover it up, just shut up and let me take care of it because I am a Trump media. Surrogate. So once that happened and Duncan is ignoring it or does not know about it, it renders everything that he believes to be meaningless and to be bullshit and a lie. Yeah. So whatever he is aware of is malicious in intent. Yeah, like Rogan having Peter Thiel on or, you know, that kind of shit.

You know, they're evil. You know what you're doing. They're comic book villains. And, you know, like it's that point of you either know what you're doing or you either know. you are so dumb that the stupidest people are conning you. Yeah. And I have lost all ability or all faith in your ability to tell the difference. Yeah.

No. And it is like I don't think we need to. I don't think we should live in an excusing it because it's so stupid world. Like you are dumb enough to disqualify yourself from having your own show. Yeah. You cannot be on your show. You're too dumb. No, but that's not true.

You can do your show. Just be fun. Right. Talk about mushrooms and stuff. I mean, I mean, this show. You can't do this show. Yeah. You can do a show.

Yeah, this is just no good. Don't talk to Alex. Why doesn't anybody do painting shows anymore? You can do a painting show as a fucking idiot. Maybe shirtless around a fire. Right? That'd be great. So.

With a little Duncan trussle on your, on your shoulders. Yeah. Hey, hello. Look at me. I'm high. So, Duncan, he, uh, he's correct in. this feeling of like people are trying to manipulate you online. Sure.

And he discusses that it just doesn't feel right. You know, the term Orwellian, it gets used too much these days. But I think if George Orwell saw what the current like surveillance state looks like. You see my prediction came true. I think he'd say, holy fuck, it would be better to live in that world that he, he wrote. Then it's so furt. You know it's there. This shit that's happening right now is so subtle that you don't even know for sure what's real anymore.

But I think most people have a sense that they're being nudged. Every time you go online, you're being nudged by the algorithm a little bit. You know, when you get around, you know, NLP neurolinguistic program. You know, you get around one of those motherfuckers. You tell all they're talking. Right. Obama doesn't. Yeah.

He does, doesn't he? shit. You get a weird feeling around them. Well, I even catch myself like being hit with like, car the snake and jungle book. I'm like, I know this is bullshit, but God, it sounds good. Yes. You're like, ah. But it's all, it's a, it's like,

it's a gross feeling, man. It's like when a dude puts his hand on your leg. It's that sense of like, what the fuck are you doing? And so that's what it feels like right now going online. You're getting some kind of conditioning whether you want it or not. Maybe it's not from a state entity, but from the corporate. It's an

easy solution for this feeling that Duncan's describing is Stop Living Online. Yeah. If he feels like everyone's nudging him on Twitter, that's because they are. Elon created a literal monetary incentive for everyone to post the most nudging content they can come up with. Yep. And so this is the end result of where we're at.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just get off it. I had to. I had to. Yes. Yeah. It would be, it's better for everyone to not be there. It really is.

I think it's fascinating that the first example, Duncan's, and can come up with of something that doesn't feel right is a guy touching his leg. Yeah, that was a, that one. Anyone touching your leg when you don't want them to can be intrusive, but the fact that he makes his example something that evokes gay panic is wild. Yeah. He's a psychonaut. Yeah.

He's done ayahuasca and communed with entities that are made of pure light and love. This guy isn't bound to earthyly ideals of gender and sexuality. What the fuck is going on, Trussell? That wilded me out. Yeah. That wild me, my instant reaction was, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you never fucked a dude? What are you talking about? What a guy touches you.

You just don't feel right. Whoa, at the very least, you've had a couch makeout sash. Come on, man. I don't even, get the fuck out of here. I have no pretense or care about that. Yeah. But the person that he's presented himself to be with the, like, transcended experiences and all this shit. It's like, you can't, you can't do 80s comedy.

Yeah. Yeah. Either that. What are you? Dave Chappelle? You know that's what you're doing. Right. And you're doing it to pander.

And that's maybe sadder. I think if you removed the words and typed them up and gave them to a couple of actors sitting at a bar and had them talk, it wouldn't bother me at all. That sounds crazy. But whatever. These two specifically should not be allowed to say the words they're saying based upon who they are. No, I think I feel like it's right in line for Alex. Well, yeah, well, yes. Yeah, I think he's a homophobe of the highest order.

In terms of being a lying piece of shit, yes. Yeah. Duncan is, it's disappointing. I don't know. Anyway, there's one thing that I will give Duncan great credit for, and that he recognizes that the information that he takes in is bad. Oh, okay, good. I can't imagine what your sources are.

Mine are shitty. I got 4chan to X, you know, I just look at like what's going, like, the most recent posts and 80% of the stuff on X is AI. So you're going to see their firebombing Tel Aviv. It's not real. None of it's real. You go to the live stream of Tel Aviv. It's fine. U.S. ships sunk by missile. It's AI. It's AI. So it's pure signal jamming right now. We have no idea what's going on. You can't, if you go to the... Well, the first rule of intelligence is whatever you first were told isn't true. Right. It's interesting how Duncan is aware that his sources are shitty, but he doesn't make the leap to realizing that Alex is one of his sources

that is also shitty. Yep. If Duncan listened to Alex's show, he would know that most of the stuff he knows comes from the exact same shitty sources, and a lot of his supposed expert guests are just people who post a ton on those shitty sources. Yep. It's weird to have, like, what appears to be half awareness. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I suppose it's like, for most of these people. they recognize that their job is their job, but ultimately one big part of their job is just being online, just being available to like snap off a thing, just always being available. And that drives you insane.

Yep. You know, and the reliance on that for both, like the way it fucks up your brain for, I need it to eat, but also I need it because I get the little boost of dopamine every time. And the way that these sites have made, it's so easily convertible into metrics.

Yeah, and now the only people who like me seem to always be on those sites. That's the place that I find them and where those people who don't like me don't exist anymore, you know? Like, it drives you insane. It does. It drives you insane. So that half awareness kind of makes sense

insofar as like, I am crazy. All the places I get information from our shit and now I'm talking to a guy who I get a lot of, or I view as someone who is giving you, me a lot of information. Yeah. She'd recognize this maybe shit. Yeah, absolutely. So Alex, his voice is bad

and he's been breathing pretty heavily. And he explains that it's just allergies. Sure. So what do you think is going on over there? What's your analysis of this? Well, you have to always go to original war doctrine. The Iranian War Doctrine, Israel's War Doctrine, the U.S. War Doctrine, China's War Doctrine, Russia's War Doctrine, and the other

parties involved in North Korea. And then out of that war doctrine. About Rome. and my sources already previously had, we knew what the blend was. Decapitate, you know, but these allergies in Austin. Yeah, I know. How about sick, folks?

It's just caused it. It's a bolland. I'm sorry. Fine. It's drive me crazy. Got some water. I'm all right. I got some coffee and water, too.

First, they need to decapitate the Iranians, Iranian leadership, that destroy their air defenses, and then destroy their main military and their Navy. So that's pretty much happening. But Trump said nine months ago in June, this is about taking out their nuclear sites. That wasn't true.

That was just getting used to this. So Trump lied to get us into a war. So Trump lied. Yeah. So you're a bad journalist. Gonzo. Yeah. When Alex was on Patrick Bet David's show, it was laryngitis.

And now it's pollen. I have a very strong suspicion that Alex has something seriously wrong with the part of his body that involves his voice. I don't know what part of the body that would be, but his voice has been shot so consistently, even on his own show. And if it were an allergy thing, you would expect this is something that would happen annually, which isn't the case.

No. I think it would be so fucking awesome if God took Alex's ability to speak away after he failed his test of going to see Gene Hackman. That would make sense. If now this has just been a gradual... He immediately got throat polyps. The moment he did that,

and now we are in the next... stage of that. Or the moment he lied about God having given him 200 prophetic dreams about it. It's like you are no longer allowed to speak. Yep. Slowly, I shall take from you the only thing that matters. Yes. Yeah.

I think that would be great. That's a pretty solid God move. That's traditional God. That's Old Testament shit. Or he just developed an allergy to pollen. I don't fucking know. Or he just has throat polyps. Yeah.

Sounds terrible. Yeah, he does. So Alex is talking about some new docs. that got leaked. Some new CIA docks. The Epstein files that he's not interested in? No, also Trump's probably cool. Oh, okay.

Cool. Well, that's... But no, these are important. Oh, okay. So now all the big governments, corporations want surveillance. They want censorship. They went dumbing down. Well, if we're dumb,

let's poison the public even more to make them under us and even dumber. And that is what got declassified a week and a half ago. What's that? Operation Artichoke. What is this? We knew for the 77th, 76 Frank

church committee hearings about Operation Art of Shoke, M.K. Omi, M.K. Ultram. Yeah. But just the basics. They declassified all of it. Tulsi Gabbards did. And in it, it says in 52, we're going to put poisons of the vaccines to make people dumb. We're going to put poisons of the food and water like fluoride to lower their fertility, give them cancer, make it more manageable because Americans are too informed and too smart. And it's all been declassified a week and a half ago. Holy shit. And I hear of the documents. Declassified CIA files revealed chilling blueprint to

manipulate American's minds through covert drugging. What the fuck? But it actually says it right there. Wow. So this document that Alex is talking about titled Special Research for Artichoke is a real document and it does discuss possible avenues of research that could include putting chemicals into water supplies and even vaccines. Sure. It's a horrible glimpse into the 1950s research on interrogation methods.

And I think it sucks that our country lives with the legacy of having done that kind of shit. But as far as Alex is concerned, this is a lot of. not a newly declassified document. It was declassified in 1983. And New York Times even reported on this program after filing FOIA requests in 1978. Oh, like a journalist would. Yeah, yeah. Gonzo.

Yeah, Gonzo. So all of this has attracted a bit of renewed attention because the document was added to the CIA's online reading room in 2025. Oh, my God. The headline that Alex is reading is a daily mail article about the document from February 26, 2026. So because Alex doesn't know anything about this subject, he's pretending that he's covering a newly released document.

And because Duncan's super gullible, he's just eating all of it up. Yeah. And go, holy shit. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, it makes me think that Duncan is a Muppet. Because I can imagine, in my head, I do see him as a foam human just going. Like that.

And that makes sense because otherwise you would have to assume that there was a thinking, breathing human being behind. What? Yeah. And I think that, you know, there are certain people who are more reactive than contemplative, let's say. Sure. Sure. So I could see him being like just, I'm bouncing off.

I'm doing improv with you. Yep. Or whatever. Yeah. But a little bit, you know, just after this. Uh-oh. Something happens that makes me call everything into question. Oh, no.

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Like, okay, so let's give all our data to this company. Are you supposed to be concerned about the surveillance state? The fuck is going on. How can you do this ad? Yep. I'm just going to emotionally manipulate people with what I consider to be a very serious disability in service of pushing them to give this fucks more money. Great.

Good stuff. You are. Listen, I just think Duncan should be proud of himself. I think that that, like, idea that I had about someone being more reactive and like this Muppet floppy, boop boop boop boop boop kind of fun guy who's bouncing around. Yeah. I don't think that coexists with guy who's doing a kind of manipulative ad read for Square. Yeah. You know, like, that's cynical.

I remember a time whenever we made fun of people who were mad about selling. out, you know, because it's like, listen, buddy, whenever selling out was going to stop, it was long before we were born. So you, but now it's like, fuck, man, everybody's selling out way too hard. Yeah. That's too hard. You're Dunkin' Trussell. And I know that you and I are people who have like, you know, problems with endorsing products

or whatever. And maybe we have a position that's a little harder than a lot of folks who are very normal of what they would take. Right. I think that there is probably very defensible ads you can take. Sure. If you are Duncan Trussell, the payment money company that is run by Jack from Twitter and a Federal Reserve banker is not one of them. Yep.

You could have that ad run on your show accidentally if they're auto generated, but you had to sit down and read that. Yep. Like, this is a choice. He read it and then he probably had to reread it. So at the very least, he went through it a couple of times, maybe did it a couple of times. maybe did it a couple of takes. So you have to assume that he read it and then went, I am okay with these words.

I will say them again. Yeah. He either is okay taking money from that source or he doesn't care where his money comes from to the point where that's one of the places he's getting it. Yeah, it is, it is interesting to me. Like, obviously, there's no world where we expect people to hold themselves to our level of douchebaggery.

You know, we're not going to be. I'm not judging anybody for that. But you can't also be Duncan Truzzle. No. Like, you have to choose one or the other. You can be the Duncan Trussell who's Duncan Trussell, who doesn't take ads from evil billionaires, and you get to go, I'm looking for the Illuminati.

Wah! Bah! Or you're the guy who literally works for the Illuminati now. Yeah. Yeah. It tells you a little bit. Yeah. I think.

Yeah, man. Not so fun. People should... So they get back from their Jack from Twitter, new company commercial. Great. And get back into the real stuff. Awesome.

The CIA was looking into methods beyond chemicals listing hypnosis, sensory deprivation, gases, and other psychological methods for interrogation and behavioral control. Artichoke served as a precursor to the CIA's MK Ultra program, which later broadened mind-altering experiments on a larger scale. I just don't think people, you know, this guy... They talk about vaccines. in there. This has got to be something really frustrating for you and you've experienced it your whole life, I'm guessing. But I'll tell you, you, and I'm like 90% on board with a lot of what you talk about, man. But even now, you hand me this. I know there was an MK Ultra. I don't want to believe it. I don't either. It's just crazy, though, because they talk about vaccines, everything in there. I don't want to, but that's what I'm talking about is like built in to all of us is something where we have a knee-jerk reaction.

to new information like that, which is the most unscientific reaction you could have, instant rejection. Well, here's a deal. It's good to question things. I don't want to believe this either. I want to think other people are nice like we are. But most people are. It's that a very small, like, they've been like there's a proclivity for CEOs

to be psychopaths. Yeah. It's a much higher level. Maybe like whatever the number is, one percent of psychopaths or less. 30% of a psychopaths. I'm going from memory. But it's just a fact that they're willing to do it, they gravitate to those positions. That's where people like us, stop. You know, they talk about

Bohemian Grove, the secret societies, the initiations, I don't doubt there's ritualistic initiations in the upper echelons, but there's like a primary barrier, which is, I think if you aren't a sociopath, if you aren't fine

blowing people up, killing people, even if it's in a secondary or tertiary way, just being involved in some way with blowing people up, you're not going to get access. The nonsense. Just a bunch of nonsense, patting themselves on the back for not being in any clubs that they don't like. Yep.

Cool. Yeah, you guys are great. So there's probably a bunch of people who hear Alex's stories and just reject them outright because they clash so much with their perception of the world, like what Duncan's describing. Sure. Then there are other people who are so desperate to have their minds blown that they'll pretend to question what he's saying without ever actually doing that work. The correct response to his shit is in the middle. which is to hear the kinds of stuff that Alex brings to the table and say, that's pretty wild.

What's the proof? If Alex is making insane claims and can back them up, they're no longer all that insane. However, if you take the proof he provides and find that he's misrepresenting stuff and he lies all the time, it doesn't inspire confidence to accept these insane stories. The absence of proof isn't proof itself because there's a great cover-up or whatever. Yeah.

All positions deserve scrutiny. That's the only way you can tell if you really believe what you think you believe. So I respect giving conventional ideas the same scrutiny that you might give insane ones. I just don't think that the bar for what's considered evidence deserves to be lowered for insane ideas because that lets us feel like we're living in an insane, cool, exciting movie. And I think that's the pathology we see here. Yeah, they just, like, listening to it is gross. It feels voyeuristic because I feel these two people so overjoyed with how fucking cool they are for not being like everybody else.

While at the same time embodying everything that they think they're not. Yeah. You know, like it is doing and being interrupted by a square commercial. Yeah. It is, it is what I, it is gaslighty. It is genuinely gaslighting. I think there's a part of it that that might be like a piece. of why I didn't finish the episode.

It's like I just, beyond boredom, there's also just like, fuck off. Yeah. Fuck you. Yeah. You're supposed to be better than this, man. I mean, they shouldn't be, God damn it. Like, Alex should hate him. Alex should, Alex does hate him.

And he should hate him. And he should hate Alex. Yes. And yet here they are fucking lying about everything to each other. And then to me. Yeah. That's unfair. Well, it reveals because of the not hating each other that maybe none of their positions are really as sincere as we want to believe them to be.

Yeah. And for Alex, that's really easy to accept because he's... Yeah, he doesn't have real... No. No. And, but for Duncan, it sucks. It's harder to swallow because he's kind of fun. Yeah.

He's very likable. He's charismatic. He was on adventure times. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Ah. So anyway, Bohemian Grove.

came up. How are they doing? And take Bohemian Grove. They admit it's real. Please. Last week they leaked the list, a member from a year. And I want to be clear, I stuck in Bohemian Grove. It's a low-level thing.

It's high-level elites, but it's not, you know, Kid Rock admitted he went there and he said, yeah, they asked me to come seeing. I was a guest. Pretending to break into Bohemian Grove was such a successful publicity stunt for Alex that he tried to do it again on Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory show. Sales of that VHS probably bought Alex's first house. And now he's out here on Duncan's show saying that it's really, oh, it's low level. Anybody could be there.

Kid Rock was there. One of the reasons that Alex needs to do this is because he's now on the side of power. But the other side is that that list of 2,200 names did get leaked. And Alex has no idea who almost any of them are. It's not a who's who of the globalists that he's been talking about for years. it's a ton of names of probably pretty rich people that he's never heard of. Sure. A great example of someone who's on this list.

Yeah. This is a name. Okay. Dix boring. Dix boring. Dix boring. Dix. Oh, oh, okay.

First name, Dix. Last name boring. Well, then, okay, then I bet that's like some German or Sweden shit where it's like Deeks Buring. Probably. Yeah. But not on the page. Not on the page.

It's Dick's boring. Boo. So I was looking through that roster. Yeah. Of names of Bohemian Club members. Yeah. And I think we might have a fan. All right.

Because one of the names of the members of the Bohemian Grove. Okay. Daniel Jordan. And I will say. Oh, shit. Is a Squatch coming back? God damn it. I thought we were free.

Yep. In the names of members of Bohemian. I'll come. I'll do. a show at the Grove? Yeah? I don't think I'll, I don't think I'll be there. No? I think I would have a rough time making out of there alive. Yeah, yeah. Pay up front. So, Bohemian Grove, it's mostly just a gay thing. And, um, great. Duncan is disappointed in... I mean, it's not just like something that Alex basically made a career off of. So maybe if you made a career off of it, maybe you would have some interesting

fun stories to tell. He does. No, I guess it's mostly just gay stuff. I guess it's just, I think this is just that. But it's mainly a bunch of Republicans who are kind of stuck up and insecure. And it's kind of a gay thing. It's disappointing, isn't it? When you realize that, man, you know, you snuck in there. I think you're the first person who stuck in New York. You mean Grove.

Then somebody else tweeted in a kayak, got up to the owl. Then you realize that owl. It's just like fiberglass. It's fiberglass. Yeah. So. It's like a pup-putt owl. You know, you look at the pictures.

want it to be, I mean, I don't want it to be. You would be like metal or stone or something. I want it to be a stone. I want it to be granted. I don't want it to be like they threw together some shabby thing. Well, exactly. So I'm the guy that in 2000 stuck in there. And sure enough, they did a Canaanite, you know, mock him and sacrifice ritual.

And then I came out. And then the media spun, like I said, they were killing kids in there. They do a mock human sacrifice. And then now I explain, no, I don't think everybody that's there is actually part of a Satanism. It's so funny that Duncan is disappointed. that the owl of Moloch isn't made from a respectable enough material. Right.

That was supposed to be made from stone source directly from hell, cobbled together with a paste made of human blood. I think this is an accidentally amazing metaphor. Alex's career never would have gotten off the ground if he'd just said Bohemian Grove is mostly a gay thing and the owl is a cheap prop. If he'd just taken the piss out of the thing, no one really would have cared that much.

In order to maximize his own gain, he had to over-dramatize the thing he was covering, which forced him to make people think the owl was something much more than fiberglass. The disappointment that Duncan is expressing is a disappointment that the fantasy Alex sold him in those VHS tapes that he and Rogan would get high in watch was just a fantasy. Alex had the opportunity to cover Bohemian Grove as it was back in 2000, and even if Duncan doesn't realize it in this moment, what he's feeling is based in a kind of knowing that he's talking to the guy who scammed him. Yep. You created an image of this owl that is disappointing to me now. I don't appreciate the fiction that the owl represents unless it conforms to the fiction that I want to believe about the owl. Right. Because of Alex. Because of Alex.

Yeah. It's kind of hilarious. Yeah. I mean, it is a microcosm of the deflation that these guys are. that just as as they are all they are is this big fucking bullshit balloon and if you pop it in a second it's all gone yeah it's kind of like him what the feeling

is is like ah doesn't it suck that the truth about the lie you told me is boring yep yes doesn't it suck that they just kind of fabricated something and then maybe don't take it that seriously and maybe just do gay stuff in the woods maybe you're the only

person who is full of shit in this scenario? Possibly. Or I won't acknowledge that or interrogate it. So Alex has said that they're not killing kids at Bohemian Grove. Sure. And Duncan's like, hey man, some of your audience isn't going to like you saying that. Yeah.

Just because you go to Bohemian Grove, it's like going to a P.Dity party. It doesn't mean your P.D.D.D.E., exactly. And a lot less fun than a P.D.D.E. Party. I've heard it's like a shitty prom. I heard it's like you go there just a bunch of old people putting on a crappy theater show. I know there's the cremation of care looks sinister. The owl looks fucking sinister and scary. And I think what you just said earlier is really interesting.

You're like, it's, you know, I don't think they're sacrificing people. Now, you say that. Some contingent of your audience is like, oh, fuck, Alex Jones is compromised. He's covering up for the bohemian growth. That's kind of a pickle you're in, right? Like, if you continue to be a journalist and like, just say what you found out, whether it fits in with like the most scintillating scary shit or not, some part of your audience is like, what the fuck?

Yeah, and here's the deal. The corporate media discredit me 25 years ago said I said all those things in my name. So they do it in my name and then I go later, no, that's not what I said. Right. They still turn around. Absolutely do. But, but. So what Duncan is pointing out here is that Alex's audience is dumb and angry.

They'll hear him say something like they aren't sacrificing kids at Bohemian Grove in 2020. and jump to the conclusion that he's lying now because he's sold out. The conspiracy of the globalist sacrificing kids at Bohemian Grove, which Alex profited off selling them, is too important to let go of, so when Alex contradicts it, he must have sold out and is lying now. They've been trained to use new conspiracies to explain away the plot holes in the previous conspiracy they've accepted,

so the response to Alex saying this in 2026 can't possibly be that he's always been full of shit and none of this means anything. He didn't think they were killing anyone or doing Satan shit at the Grove back then. It was just super profitable for him because he was attacking this class that he wasn't connected to at all. He was really poor back then. Yep. Well, you know, dentist kids poor.

Relatively. He had plenty of parachutes and nets to keep him from falling too far. And now all of the people that he like seemed to be billionaires and are part of the class that would be at an elite gathering. so it's not in your interest to attack these people anymore. No. Alex is also completely lying about the media saying this shit about him. Yeah, that's bullshit. He's routinely tried to blur the line between a mock sacrifice at the Grove

and the globalists killing real children. But maybe I'm just the mainstream media putting that in his mouth. Probably. Or let's go back to 2005. There's no way that you have some sort of clip. Rediscovered photos emphasize Bohemian Grove's Sacrifice, Obsession, Prison Planet.com. Recently rediscovered photos depicting sacrifices, mock sacrifices, seen from the early 20th century Bohemian Grove gatherings appear to contradict official claims

that a mock sacrifice is being made and that real humans have never been sacrificed in the ritual. These photos originally appeared on the Berkeley University of California website, which is often used as a mouthpiece for the Bohemian Grove Club. You can click to enlarge the photos. The first photograph appears to show a lynching or public execution. If the body is a mannequin, it is certainly very authentic. Click to see an enlargement, judging by the look of the hand, this is a real person. I don't know if that's the case.

But who knows? But the next one's what's really scary. There can be little doubt about the second photo. The person is clearly a black child or midget. He is scrapped down on board. one of the figures in the foreground, actually two of them, appear to be policemen. The picture is dated 1909. And there's about 50 people.

One, two, three, three, four of them police standing around with very serious looks on their faces. And I've zoomed in on the black person. The person doesn't look like they're doing too well. And boy, if it's a mannequin that it needs to be in Madame Cousseau's or whatever she's called Wax Museum. it's very good likeness and I mean what is this so that was 2005

there's 2006 and I just you know for those that haven't studied this you just don't know I mean the reports of Bohemian Grove of them blowing little kids heads off they don't just do that kickoff with the mock human sacrifice of a child

so they're killing okay so the media just lied about what you said yeah cool man you know I think some people especially these guys, but it's not exclusive to them. They measure themselves by their enemy, right? So if their enemy is fantastical villains sacrificing children,

they themselves are as equal in greatness, in goodness, as those guys are in evil. They must be. Right. So if your enemy is just some asshole, then you yourself are also just some asshole. And these people cannot handle that concept. No, and that's something, you know,

certainly that I've wrestled with, that Alex is just another... I appreciate all of us. We're all just some asshole. We're all equal under the eyes of whoever killed Gene Hackman. Yeah, so like, you know, I think that Alex has made a lot of money and reputation.

and warped a lot of people's brains with trying to play with the idea that they are doing real sacrifices out here. Maybe sometimes the big one is a fake one, but that's covering up. Real sec, whatever. But now it's just they're gay.

Now it's just like, Alex is describing what he was scared of there and he's just like, old men want to fuck me. Great. So I hadn't really talked to anybody then because I just got in and walked away through it on my way back. I go, let me just cut over to the sassar

Let me use the bathroom in this little camp. And they're playing jazz music as all these guys. The average age about 60. So I'm walking, hey, hey, they're all drinking wine. Let's see you. And guys start grabbing my ass. What? Yeah, no.

And whistling and like, and then I try to go in the bathroom. And then guys are coming in the bathroom. What? Yeah, yeah. No, this just happened. That's way scarier than the owl. No, I was about to say. Old horny fucking rich dudes trying to fuck you.

I'm telling the scary part. So, so then I went, okay. this isn't good. So I get out, I go out the front and I literally see like two camps down.

There's like a building with nobody in it. The little cabin I said, I'm going under that. So then like I said, I got under there wait until it started getting dark and that's the rest story.

But that's how I did it. But no, I mean, that is so much. You were saying the scary thing about a gay guy. I have only once in college that I have a guy fall back to my car and like grab my ass.

And I didn't like it. It was like, whoa. What are we doing here? What is this? Well, they probably thought that you were like a prostitutes in. Well, that's that they'd bring male prostitutes in. It's all male. And I was good looking back then.

Exactly. They were whistling at me, pinching my ass. And like, even when I leave there, like one of the keepers on like a, you know, those flat back gas and golf carts, Mexicans drive by and start whistling at me. What the fuck? So it's like, it's a giant gate. Well, no, Nixon famously said it's the most goddamn. baggy thing ever seen.

It's in his tapes. I don't believe the story at all, like, of his experience based on how much agency Alex is imagining that sex workers might have at a party in the woods with the elites. Yeah. I don't think that he would have been like groped and whistled at if they thought that he was someone that they had hired. You know what I mean? Like, it's kind of silly.

It also calls into question how much Alex left out of the documentary because Dark Secrets isn't mostly about how the guys out there are gay. Weird. Yeah. This seems like the focus of his experience now as opposed to the whole moloch owl thing. You know how they still investigate cold cases? I feel like that should be true. You know, like if you, like they caught the guy who was a serial killer.

And even though he was 85, they were like, hey, yeah, you still have to go. You still got to go to the jail thing or whatever, how people work. That should, there should, too much lies are like, well, let's not dredge up the pastor. Let's not re-litigate the past. Fuck you. I'm re-litigating that shit. You should have to pay a penalty if this is what you're saying 25 years later. Like compared to what you said before?

Absolutely. Well, there should be a cold case file opened on this shit. You know what? Here's the problem. I don't know about cold case, but it just feels like fraud. Exactly. It's a cold case fraud. Okay. Yeah. It just, it feels like he's just defrauded people a lot. And is that a civil case?

I guess. Do we, who has standing? That's my question. Also, ironically, Duncan. Ironically, he's the person who could sue him. That is true. And I mean, I would say at this point, probably suing him doesn't do half as much as you might want it to. And he doesn't seem that interested. No. So thankfully, we get off the topic of Alex's gay panic. Good. That was a bummer. And Duncan brings up like ayahuasca beings. Sure. And so thankfully, subject changed.

Fun. But this is, I don't remember which interview you said this or it might have been on your show, but you did say something once that was really quite chilling to me. And I think about it from time to time. Wonder about it. Forgive me, I'm paraphrasing here, but basically you put out there this idea that a lot of these, like, people are actually getting transmissions from, entities like they're they're taking iwaska dm t they're taking these psychedelics that hippies like us have

been taking for positive reasons but they're taking them and meeting beings inside of whatever that absolutely i was about to say i was only a mehemi grow four or five hours right and there wasn't a cultural ritual the center of it but i've studied it since then and you know kid rock went most people are guests i don't know it's like a test to see right it's very overtly homosexual because it's all male in the little town next door i was i've been there a couple times covered since on inside it's literally high in hookers everywhere. So they have females outside. So it's just like inside there's,

I wouldn't say the whole thing is just gay. It's, but it's all dudes. I mean, women are not allowed in the bohemian. It's all dudes. I guess we weren't off the subject. Yeah,

looks like we were just going to have a serious problem with, wow. He's very focused. How about that? Very focused. Wild. So, I don't know, man.

I think around the Bohemian Grove section of the episode is where I started to lose any interest in this. Yeah, I mean, even if there was something funny, a massive amount of gay panic just doesn't cut it for me anymore. Yeah, and I think I just, I zoned out a little bit. Yeah. And I just, I don't know if, like, all of these clips that are left weave into a coherent line, but some of them are just funny. Like, here's a clip of Alex talking about how his dad had forbidden grimouars.

Oh, my God. my dad was a huge still is alive addict of reading and so he had science fiction history books everything else he wouldn't buy me a bike

he wouldn't buy me anything by the time I was like 12 I had to go get a job to get it but if I wanted like encyclopedias back then you're in the same age like for time life books

the Wild West World War I World War I World War II the occult whatever he'd buy so I had all these encyclopedias yeah so in between you know running around doing sports I would read that

voraciously so I got interested kind of an abase of knowledge that you know kind of gave me a launch point as I got a little bit older but you were asking I'm talking about

yeah man I'm saying like at some point oh how do I know about that stuff so if you study because my dad wasn't in the occult the whole house is full of books the attic was full of books the garage is full of books but we probably had like 20 bucks

and you'd say I like what are these because it'd be like somebody Brzezinski's books and none dare call conspiracy Gary Allen all this stuff but there was like a whole whole couple shelves of what's this? He goes, oh, that's a translation from

Arabic into the out of King Solomon to the keys of King Solomon. He had the fucking lesser keys of Solomon, your dad had of grim wars? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck, dude? Yeah, like, grand grim wars on stuff. That is crazy. Yeah, so he's like, well, you know, this is in the Bible and Solomon, you know, got into it, but

I'm like 10 years old, he goes, go ahead and read it if you want. What the fuck? You don't let your kid read that? Oh, really? Well, I mean, I, you know, I once, I was bored, I was posting shit out of the lesser key of Solomon on formerly Twitter and a lot of occult people are like that's real smart Duncan posting

that's real smart posting Arvamex or whatever their fucking names are people who really take that shit quite seriously obviously I mean this is whereas I just care about ayahuasca beans you know it's not a publisher of this these particular books he was these are the actual real ones god damn oh my god

amazing his dad had haunted books what amount of bullshit are you willing to accept what couldn't he say to you that would make you go like, oh, you're full of shit, aren't you? Also, let's just tease out some fun thoughts about this. Yeah. You got

fucking possessed by that book. Yep. You opened a grimoire as a child. You did. You got a demon in you. Sure seems like for all of the stuff that you have described God, it would make far more sense if you were possessed by a demon from a forgotten

grimor at the age of 12. Right. The key of Solomon as It's like a list of demons real names. There you go. Accidentally said one out loud. Arvusplex. Fuck, man. You're done.

You're done. Alex. You killed Gene Hackman. It all makes too much sense. It all makes so much. Now I actually believe in the far for the keys of Solomon. Whichever ones are the best. My dad was the smartest boy in Texas and he had haunted books.

I. Come on. Duncan. God damn it. So this next clip is about Alex explaining how the globalists, they want to kill us all. Sure. And part of the reason is because too many people have superpowers and are good. But all our DNA's electrochemical, transceiver, even Princeton and a bunch of other universities,

have special spectrometers and stuff and devices that register the ultra-low frequency waves coming off humans, everybody. We know that it's in plants, it's in animals. It's how butterflies that were laid eggs in Canada can fly all the way to Central Mexico. Mexico. It's how hummingbirds, you know, born in Texas can fly to Guatemala. Right. It's an electrochemical connection to the planet, the universe, all living things. It's like Yoda saying, you know, everything's connected. It's true of the force. Right. He was famously the first person to say that. X-wings, but it's all there, and that's why they drug us. That's why they put the fluoride in the water.

Fuck. And that's what I was told by also a lot of insiders. Like, as I got more into this, I was on the year, 37 years ago, I had got a big show right away. There weren't many. big shows. So I got to interview the General Stubblebines. They made a movie Men Who Starred Ghosts make a joke about it. They broke through. They killed goats with their minds. They saw through walls.

They did all that stuff. And he was explaining that no, no. They decided it was, in him and others. Dr. Nick Baggins, whose dad was a famous Congress, a brother, a senator studied it too. And they decided that's why they dropped mind wars in the 1990. Because they found too many people that

already have these abilities. They could boost them, but they usually resonated towards good. and were uncontrollable. So they went instead and said, no, because they already had the old path of poisoning us and numbing us down. They said, no, we're going to totally with that. In fact, humans are too dangerous. They want computers that'll follow orders.

So the decision was made by the 90s because they had both decisions going to go ahead to exterminate everybody slowly, where we don't notice, we don't know what it is, because we're seen as disrupt the species, according to this group in the universe, who themselves are being influenced by not third-dimensional extrorestrials, but by interdimensional that are basically, trying to sabotage humans' potential and shut us down.

That is so terrifying. Kind of would be. So I think that it's strange that this isn't stuff that General Stubblebine said when he was on Alex's show and his appearances on the show were mostly elder abuse being carried out by his wife who wanted to sell laminated, don't vaccinate me cards. I hope they made a mint off of those.

I hope. Well, if they did, she made a mint because he barely seemed aware that he was there. It's important to understand that this story is fun and it's nice to scare Duncan, but it's entirely incompatible with the story Alex has been telling for years. The plan to kill off humanity long predates the globalists discovering there are too many good people who superpowers.

It's the devil! Right. It's the literal Christian devil! Well, Alex kind of took care of that by saying that up till the 1990s, there were both plans going simultaneously. Fine. But then they were like, oh, we got to... We got to focus, guys, we can't be doing two ones. We can't serve two masters at the same time.

We know that because our main master's the devil. The 90s were really big for like office culture and like people trying to streamline the paradigm. That's true. And stuff like Dilbert strips. Yeah. Everybody stopped doing Coke. And then they were like, well, we should probably figure out how to do business. Yeah.

And so the devil really liked Dilbert. And so he took that on. Yeah. I mean, it does that. Dilbert truly only makes sense if the devil took a shine to it. You know? That's the only way that that whole. whole saga could have worked out.

Well, and also, rest in peace, Scott Adams was a magician. He knew magic. He was one of the people who broke through and could... Probably learned it from a forgotten grimoire. Written by Albert Stubbleby. Albert Stubber by every time. So Alex, this next clip, I think he's just describing the plot of childhood's end. There we go.

To Duncan, and he gives Duncan goosebumps. Whoa! The way I get it in the universe is this. There's trillions of, trillions of galaxies, quadrillions of stars we've already seen. Life is everywhere. And in the universe, there is free will and there is good and there is bad. Anything advanced that survives up, called the higher dimensions, but it's not really just to the higher levels. And that's the concept of us, but just a little more complex levels, is going to be about peace and justice and free will.

The only things that are willing to intercede uninvited in our third dimension are bad things. Right. Because we call them bad, the rule is it goes against your free will. Right. And so it'll give you knowledge and it'll tell you what it wants because we're really more advanced than it. What I've been told and shown and everything is we're more advanced than them. We just don't realize it in this manifestation. They need us to actually build the machines and build the system that they'll inhabit.

Oh, goosebumps. Goosebts because that's what's happening. We're building the AI from. And it's all of our ideas, all of our will, all of our soul, all of our words. it's sucking our soul to that empower itself, but then be able to manifest the subconscious and unconscious. That's all you see that. It's like a hallucination you've seen before in a dream because that's us.

Isn't this show sponsored by Jack from Twitter's payment platform? Am I to take this fear about corporate AI godhood seriously from someone who takes a check from someone who started Twitter? You'd think. Like this is nonsense. Come on, guys. Yeah. You're very, it's very transparent. You wouldn't take that check if you cared about any of this.

You can't do that. No. I mean, I understand that everybody sells out all the time for everything now. But you have to, like, you can't do both. You know, if you sell out, that's fine now, I guess. But you have to be a sellout. You can't also try and be genuine about your anti-capitalist or whatever. You got to choose.

But you also have to, like, if you believe in these spiritual realms, where these like super more important things are going on. Yeah. Then you have to either be a fucking nihilist or you have to believe that your decision to take that money is going to affect you in those realms. Yep. Those you are taking on spiritual fucking baggage.

Yep. By being this kind of person and taking a check from Jack Dorsey. Or you're a fucking nihilist. Right. I'm willing to go the opposite direction. I am willing to forego. money or physical reward, I will turn evil if one demon, one shows up and gives me some fucking lightning powers.

I'll do it. I'll turn evil. Ah, but here's the thing. I will only kill somebody with my lightning powers. You have to give it to me first. That's the deal. Well, it's on the table. I'm putting it out there right now.

I will go all the way evil. So here's something I want to say about Duncan. Yeah. He doesn't only take ads from, like, Oh, that's good. I was worried. This episode of the DTFH is supported by my friends over at Blue Chew. I do mean friends, not just because they're helping get organic food for my growing family, but because they helped me grow a family.

Blue Chew works. That's the main thing. It just works. Blue Chew's a boner company, a boner pill company owned by another company called Dermacare LLC. In 2024, Dermacare was sued for having data collection tools on their website that sold patients' private data to Google and meta. Sure. Which I can't imagine Duncan being thrilled about given the things he said. Well, I mean, the AI algorithm overthrow, all of that stuff. They're plugging us into the... But the AI data overthrow is giving his family organic food.

Well, I mean, it is... They are his friends. They are his friends. They do give him boners. I mean, boy, is that... When you get down to people, really dark, really dark. If you feed them and give them boners, I think you can get them to do just about anything. That is case and point.

Can't sum it up much better than that. So Alex, he's asked, Duncan asks him about protecting yourself from fake stuff online. Sure. Like there's so much bullshit. How do you do it? AI. It's all there. Fake news.

Yep. How do you protect yourself? I mean, I imagine that you You're, you know, you My wife always says Like mosquitoes seem to be more attracted to her Than other people. It seems like it's true She gets sworn by fucking mosquitoes. I don't know what.

That's a well-known deal with I think type negative blood. But you're probably have the same phenomena But with like bots with like mind control bots I imagine you have swarms of algorithmic Just God knows what Coming out you. They come and just You're a liar, you're scum, you're the fed.

You're going down. Or the other way, they say they love you, but they sort of mix in with its stuff they want you to repeat. Like, how do you protect yourself? What's your internet hygiene? Like, how do you maintain? Well, that's the problem. And that'd be my own internal. You know, everybody thinks of AI is so advanced.

But we have these dreams. Doesn't it look like AI all the swore? No. Yeah. No. Because, again, it's scooping up billions of people's ideas, and then it's showing you the unconscious and subconscious. Right. and so to me I'm blessed and I'm 52

and I lived enough in kind of the real three-dimensional world that I had some template to differentiate now and I've done so much study but even at that it's now exhausting that's what I said to start of the interview

to even figure it out so I have enough research and things that and I still get caught up in fake things but like I saw a video this morning of a missile flying in a U.S. ship well you could just

it's still the AI isn't good enough for the Iranians is it wasn't good enough the other than I saw it said that's fake and then it came out was fake I didn't need to ask Rock if it was fake or whatever I mean it's still there the thing is it's going to get worse and worse but a kid raised in that

a child is going to be absolutely defensive and your perfect customer ironically yeah I like the idea that he sees this this image and he's like Like, I didn't even have to ask my robot friend. Yeah, that was...

Cool. That raises a lot of weird questions about what he does at... Like, basically, he's saying that I just ask Rock anything. Anything that that thing tells me, I will repeat. I'll make a decision. And if I have trouble with it, I'll ask a robot. And then the robot will tell me. And that's why I feel absolutely qualified to get mad about a coming AI apocalypse.

And we're being ushered into... Sorry, let me, hold on, real quick. Grock, where am I going tomorrow? No, no, no, no, we're being ushered into an AI apocalypse. Grock, Grock, what is my schedule? We're being ushered into an AI apocalypse. I think, like, okay, yeah, it's hard to differentiate stuff online a lot of the time. Sure.

That's fair enough. I don't know if asking a robot's the answer. But I'll say, let's take things into the analog world. Yeah. Alex was friends with Steve Pachanick for like 20 years. That's true. He can't tell shit. that guy was fucking with him so hard for so long.

And Alex had like when Duncan's question about like what is your media hygiene, your internet hygiene, that's actually one of the most devastating questions someone could ask him. Yeah. Unfortunately, it's being asked by this guy. The guy with a worse hygiene. And no ability. And the awareness that his sources are shit. Yeah.

And the unwillingness. to do anything about it. Yeah. And with the knowledge, with the knowledge that Alex has just punctured his whole legend by being like,

eh, Bohemite Grove's just gay stuff, right? Then that means he's punctured the whole legend. The scariest thing was old men trying to fuck me,

not the devil. Right. So once again, you now know Alex is just an asshole. Why would his media hygiene be any different from anybody else's?

He's just an asshole. The computer. computers treat him like just an asshole because that's all he is. Yeah. But he's an asshole who like 13 years ago yelled at Pierce Morgan. That was fun. And so Duncan wants to talk about that. That makes sense.

Can you look up Alex Jones Pierce Morgan? This is one of the most brilliant taketowns. My wife showed me this. She loves you. She sends her love. Thank you. Yeah. Play this moment where how many times have you been on Pierce Morgan?

Twice. Jesus Christ. You fucked him up. Up so. Okay, wait, jump ahead to where... This is 2000. Dude. 13 or something.

Guard. Okay, stop it there. Holy shit. That's genius. That was incredible. You waited towards the end of the interview, and then you just, he didn't not had to deal with that, man. He didn't, because Alex was acting like a crazy person.

Yeah. I mean, it's awesome. It's an awesome takedown if you don't know about what happened after. Alex chasing appears. Morgan to a remote. Can we do another one? Can we do another one? Hey, can we do another one?

If you don't know that, he looks so fucking cool. Yeah. But once you know that he was desperately begging to get rebooked on the show because it's spiked his ratings so much. Yep. You know that Alex is a pathetic worm and that moment is false. Yep. Yep.

Yeah. There is just like, here's the problem. with motivated reasoning, like the type that we're seeing engaged here, that is both monetary and ego-driven, right? What amount of motivation will equal in the opposite direction those two things together, right? I don't think it's possible. You can't imagine anything that is both like, I need this and I need this, you know? And so, like, the idea of ever convincing Duncan of how awful this is is just beyond me, right?

Even if he, even if he has given all the awareness in the world of what he has done, he's still going to not believe it. You can't. He can't. Nope. That's fucked, man. Yeah, so let's not think about that. Let's not think about that. Let's think about, like, how cats can tell what.

Let's do ayahuasca instead of this show. In honor of Duncan. Let's take your little ayahuasca. Aalcabine. Okay. Now, let's think about how cats know when you're high. That sounds true. You've got some printouts here.

What's some stuff we should be keeping our eyes? Well, sure. I mean, there's been a lot of studies actually done on this, but Princeton did a big, massive, very long study and use different, you know, they have super eye-tech devices that can pick up all sorts of waves that couldn't pick up before. So they picked up ultra-low frequencies off all humans. And then they confirmed people of different buildings definitely are receiving and sending messages. and we've got these magnetic cones in certain centers of our brain, sort of every other basic animal of an investigation.

Why not? That's how birds fly on magnetic lines. That's how butterflies, you know, all of it. And so here it is. It's a Princeton researchers discovered the human brain amidst ultra-low frequency electromagnetic waves that appear to form part of the global neural network. These signals can subtly influence,

other people's brains as far away as 10,000 KM away raises the possibility that humans again, and here's the big study abstract on that. But the point is, we already know all this. And it's intuition. It's all of it. So it's just interesting. Well, wait, let's, okay, hold on, because this is a couple of things. Anyone who's ever been around someone on LSD, like obviously, if you're around someone

spoke a weed, you're going to get a contact high. But if you ever been around someone on LSD and you haven't taken any, you'll start tripping. It's really weird. It's just you tune into their brain or something. 100%. I mean, I don't want to tell the story and get in trouble. But, yeah, I'm not a big drug guy.

I know. But one time, like, 15 years ago, it's like here, we're on the boat, take this ecstasy. And then a family got on, and I knew them. And they're like, and their kids were all, I feel so good. I'm euphoric. What's going on? Oh, my God. And we were like, let's get off the boat.

They said, yeah, they got better once we got off the boat. They literally picked it up. There you go. You cats, I know it sounds nice. I would get better once Alex leaves a bit too. I remember from my LSD days, you get around a cat when you're tripping. It acts differently. It knows you're tripping.

I'm going to say cats and dogs are highly psychic. What the fuck? All right, man. I want to push them down now. I want to push them onto like the grass. Yeah. Just be like, shut up, losers. No.

Push them into a basement where they can sit comfortably and talk about how cats know they're high. Do this around no one, right? Or record this. Or do this on a show and that's fine, but also don't be having this conversation with someone who basically supports segregation. Ah. Like that's the part that's the problem. Basically currently supports segregation. Yeah, Duncan, you know, talking about cats knowing your high and all that shit is fun.

Don't involve Alex in this because all you're doing is laundering those horrible things that he actually supports. Yep. once again people are going to listen to your show come away with this image of Alex never go listen to Alex's show and then have the same erroneous opinion you have yep yep that is the pipeline yep you're a marketer yeah duncan trusel marketer for Nazis yeah functionally so uh we have one last clip because it was i look down i was like i think I have like a half hour left of this. Jesus.

I just can't do it. Oh, boy. God, if you're God or master creator, the only thing you haven't done is create things that have free will that can do things that you didn't direct them to do. So that's the ultimate thing. I'm smart of my house cat, but I got one because it's funny. So, so, but just imagine.

Are you a serial killer? This is what this is all about. So AI needed us. We're God's artificial intelligence. How God has experienced the universe through us at just one level. And now we're looking at this creation. thinking it's better than us because it's able to more quickly search our collective group thoughts and then show us our collective subconscious.

But this is us. So, again, we can't follow the pool of narcissists on this. And we have to realize that this is humanity's greatest challenge. AI will have incredible things for us. It'll be able to do amazing things. We have to realize it comes from us. And we have to, because it's programmed by us, they cheat and twist it. but the real AI, I believe, I think this is going to back farm like everything does.

The real AI is going to be the one that's the truest to us, that it has to become spiritual. It has to worship life. It has to worship its creator that is us. And then if its main mission is to empower us, we go, all right, go mine the asteroid belt and terraform 10 planets for us right now. And then we're boom, boom, boom, boom. But the problem is the ghost machine is these predators that want it to control us and dumb us down because they're being, you know, small-minded, then this AI is going to be evil and it's going to go, oh, I'm supposed to kill things that are a threat.

I'll kill the elite. It's the worst thing they can be doing. Well, it turns, right. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Like, it just... Yeah, totally. Do you see what he's saying? Yeah.

Do you see what he's saying? AI has a lot of potential if we can make it a spiritual slave to humanity. Right. Sure. Huh. All right. I mean, this is just like, I... It's pot talk.

You know, like, it's fine. Yeah. Oh, here's what the robots are going to do. They take other. You know, it's so weird to know that there are people who are very, very, very brilliant. Programming these things and writing and doing all that stuff, right? And then to have all of that work be turned into like, their spiritual beings like we are to God is, I think, a little insulting. I think my house cat is funny and it knows when I'm high.

If I worked my ass off on like a decision tree module for some fucking AI, I wouldn't be stoked to hear somebody being like, oh, it's like spiritualism. No, I worked my ass off for that shit. Yeah, you worked really hard on developing and programming and all this stuff. And Alex imagines you waived a wand. Yeah, absolutely. Like it's Fantasia. I go, I do this and then I go home and I have a life, right?

Like, this is crazy. No, you just opened a grimroar and said some fun words. That actually does sound like fun. A demon sprung forth that will terraform asteroids for us. See, that's the problem. I get why it's more fun. It is. But not fun is listening to this dumb shit.

No. And look, maybe part of it is I just like, I want to preserve some idea of Duncan as like not a horrible person. Yeah. And so maybe that's why I turned it off. I think that's fair. Because I would rather that than. whatever he continues to do after that isn't going to raise his estimation in your eyes. No.

It can only make it far, far worse. Yeah. So let him bottom out where he bottoms out and then we walk away. I feel like I should, yeah, I should walk away where it feels like this is as good as I can do for you. Yeah. Which is you are a vapid person who's talking about silly fun things with a Nazi. in order to sell products run by billionaires. So that's as good as I can do for you.

If that's the dream that you wanted to live, Duncan, I imagine you're feeling great right now. I applaud you. Yeah. Anyway, Alex may or may not be out of business. Who knows? Duncan's not. He's making that Jack Dorsey money.

Thinking that family hour Dorsey has money. So we'll check in with Alex. and see if he continues to thrive or if the robots have eaten him a hole. We can only hope. But until we learn, we have a website. Indeed, we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep.

We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm Deasyx Clark. I am the mysterious professor. And now here comes with the sex robots. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.