Knowledge Fight - #116: January 5, 2018

Episode Date: January 8, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss some issues that came up in the Jan. 5, 2018 episode of The Alex Jones Show. The internet is up in arms about how Alex spent about 10 min of this episode screaming about ...Brian Stelter and demons, but did commentators miss an important element of the story? Probably.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding Well, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones That is indeed what we do Dan. Dan is there a hook to this podcast. I'm all business today, Dan There's a hook and it is that I know a lot about Alex Jones. I don't know anything about Alex Jones Let's get down to business because I'm all business today, Dan nitty-gritty scrappy Absolutely. Let's get into the details stuff. All right in that case, I would like to
Starting point is 00:00:36 Welcome a couple new policy wonks. Oh shit. And to be fair, these are foreign policy wonks So that is all who have donated in the past and bumped up their donation All right, and now have a new foreign policy wonk status. So first of all, I'd like to welcome to the foreign policy ranks Ian, thank you so much. I'm a policy wonk Don't mind and tell it. You're brilliant Also, thank you going out to Jesse. Thank you so much. I'm a policy wonk We really appreciate it That clip so many fucking time. So good. It shouldn't be funny anymore. I should be in yord against it
Starting point is 00:01:14 You'll be like, ah, it's hey, congratulations on becoming a foreign policy wonka No, but part of me is like, dude, just don't eat another cent. I want to hear this clip more Dean won't play it for me anymore. The the the just brutal Funniness of Steve Pechenick's caddiness is it'll never grow grow old. Hey, great. Good for you, you fucking dick Because that's what he's saying. I know Perfect because Alex, like if people don't remember that's in response to Alex saying like I was always like 9 11 I was right about that. Four stars go tell you Alex's entire personality. It's even better because Alex never gets that shit from his guests now never no guest is ever like
Starting point is 00:02:02 Hey, Alex, how about you tone it down and go fuck yourself? You ever consider that? You're not so great. You dick Love it. I love the people who donate to the show. We thank you very much If you'd like to become policy wonk, you can go to knowledge fight calm click support the show as I mentioned at the end of The last episode we are trying to bump up the donations a hundred dollars this month And I'm thrilled to report within one episode. We are up twenty eight dollars in donations Holy shit We really thank everybody and if you'd like to join in on that if we can get to that mark if we can reach our goal by the end of January we will start releasing a
Starting point is 00:02:40 Documentary coverage I guess of Alex Jones's film endgame That will be devastating and exhausted For everybody involved. Yeah, I know that's that's true. It's a two and a half hour documentary Our coverage will probably take six seven. I'm the biggest Star Wars fan And the last Jedi could have lost like ten minutes and I would have still been very very happy with it Yeah, this will be six Last Jedi back to back to back to back. Um, so Jordan today What we're gonna be going over is the the January 5th
Starting point is 00:03:14 2018 episode of the Alex Jones show, you know, we're gonna have to get into that We're gonna do that thing that everybody does every January where it's like, whoa I'm not used to this 2018 thing. Yeah, I've been fine Like in writing and all that stuff. No one writes checks anymore. You can get that hack joke out of here. Absolutely but I have I've been fine with it just verbally there. I almost said but I do that all the time right because we jump back and forth in history right always Yeah, but yeah, it's 2018 January 5th. All right Friday one year older one year wiser indeed and Alex is no different
Starting point is 00:03:53 So in the days previous to this Alex has been sort of trying to wrestle with the Bannon revelation Yes, and we haven't talked since that broke since that news broke, right? And I think there's a lot of angles that are being played And I'm I'm really not clear what's going on now here is I'm so confused Here's my issue with all the angles being played is that none of the angles that I have seen so far are similar to my own which is So everyone's stupid. Yeah, I've seen actually a lot of that on Twitter. Oh, yeah I've seen a lot of people being very much like what that who cares Good and there is some truth to that I think
Starting point is 00:04:33 But for everyone who is unaware what we're talking about Michael Wolf a noted Lying liar. Well, he's basically a creative nonfiction writer out of New York who covered the socialite scene and the media elites in New York In a very catty David Sedaris ish way, but probably less funny. He's a yellow journalist tabloid guy No, see I'm uncomfortable with that because it's not yellow journalism. It's straight up essaying It's it's it's creative nonfiction and everybody who is aware of his writing is aware of that, right? It's not yellow journalism because he's not trying to it's not propaganda It's a style of writing now I mean has its place in magazines, right?
Starting point is 00:05:14 No, I mean like the original yellow journalists like William Randolph Hearst kind of yellow journalism Those people they operated for specific aims not always for the most part I mean many of their games were just so chaos amongst the world I guess if you you it's a stretch to me. Yeah, but if you want to go with that, I'm gonna allow it. Okay Thank you. I'll let you do it. So gracious dad in the aftermath of this piece coming out that Michael Wolf wrote He wrote this book fire and fury that has now been pushed out to print. It was supposed to come out much later Oh, of course now it's out There was an excerpt that came out that included a quote from Steve Bannon saying that the meeting between Kushner and
Starting point is 00:05:59 Manafort and Vessel Nitskaya the Russian lawyer, right? treasonous and So in the aftermath of that no Bannon didn't do shit, right? Bannon's response was now we're good with Trump Everyone freaked out right like all the liberals all the people on Twitter all the commentators freaked out about this, right? and No one really took into account that this guy is a creative nonfiction writer, right? Secondary after that Alex Jones. I've seen Alex freaked out. I've seen many people like the people from
Starting point is 00:06:34 Splinter like the docker shoot offs and those types of situations are always like the intercept all of those guys were like Hold on now, right this guy's a liar Well people who are aware of him right people and this is going into my argument that there's no way Trump is not aware of him Right absolutely because he's been covering Trump world essentially for decades. Yes, so Alex got duped by this to some extent, okay, and he got really furious and Was like this guy is a liar, but he doesn't understand why he's a liar So he did an entire show about this guy like making up quotes and stuff
Starting point is 00:07:13 He just looked at his Wikipedia page and didn't understand right the nature of the guy's actual writing Okay, so he did a really terrible job of it and was just like yeah, Bannon, you know look hey I want to I don't want to go against man. I don't want to fight in fight But look this guy's a known liar also Bannon has gone crazy But this guy's a liar also trying the quotes probably 80% He's trying to fit the whole circle in the same pass. Yes. Yeah, and it's clunky as shit The only person who's doing this right is Roger Stone. He is just like I don't want to do I don't I hate to agree with Roger Stone, but he's nailing the
Starting point is 00:07:52 Nah, I'm out on Thursday the fourth Roger Stone was on or maybe it was Wednesday I can't remember the which day it was but he he was like I've been dealing with Michael Wolf for a long time I know what he does and Alex just couldn't understand couldn't roll with the yeah If he had he would have saved himself a lot of trouble Alex now has to figure out How to walk back the whole Bannon thing while at the same time he can't walk it. I don't I don't think so definitive I don't think so. I think you think he really does think Bannon's lost his mind or he's fallen in with Well, he has no choice now right because Trump put out that press release the day that this excerpt leaked or this Excerpt was released right Trump put out that statement that was
Starting point is 00:08:38 scathing yes Steve Bannon is a staffer. He's nothing to do with my win Yes, he was my campaign manager, but he was nowhere near me. I put him on the National Security Council So like these people are so fucking stupid But because of Trump coming out and saying that he's lost his mind Alex now can't walk back that piece of the narrative Of course and had he have had a more full understanding of who Michael Wolfe is He could have built it up ahead of time with like hey guys. Let's ignore this. Yeah, that should have been his play Oh, it's easy
Starting point is 00:09:13 It was it's not an opportunity for him to be like the media are a bunch of liars because this is different and this guy is Really a media. Yeah. Yeah, and so Alex finds himself in a very strange place where he's like I've got to do something else I gotta figure out a different way to handle this I am so excited to hear Alex Jones's solution to this problem. Well, it's kind of going back to the well a little bit Oh, no and doing what he does best I was hoping for a creative nonfiction response in some ways. It is okay I think I think you could argue that it isn't some ways This has gone viral to hire David Cideris to write his response. God. That'd be so great. He's so good. We talk angry someday
Starting point is 00:09:54 So Alex on the fifth he got into studio and He decided he was gonna open his show with a fucked up rant and this has gone viral This this has made the rounds you see it posted on all the sites And generally we like to ignore the things that everyone else talks about right. There's not a whole lot of value in it Yeah, but in this case, no, I have no idea what you're fucking talking about in this case I think it is worthwhile because he does touch on a number of things that are relevant to our examinations of Alex Okay, but he does he starts a show with a 10-minute rant about Brian Stelter. That is right on
Starting point is 00:10:35 Yeah, so let's get into it. I've not cut anything out of the first commercial break, which is wall-to-wall this rant Okay, but I've just put it into segments for our digestibility and here is the first one You know Donald Trump over the weekend said something that Really started to sink in for me Right before we went live Is it so true? The truth is powerful and Trump operates unlike any statesman. I've seen in modern history
Starting point is 00:11:09 In the truth, and that's what's so refreshing about it But he said, you know, the mainstream media really needs me to win in 2020 You guys had almost no ratings and it completely imploded until I came along and you're still a shadow of your former selves Because you're fake news, but he said you need me and Look at the economy look at all of it It's all roaring back and optimism and so many other good things and Trump is delivering on what he said very sensible policies across the board and
Starting point is 00:11:45 They are just flipping out Completely inverting all of this. So now let's talk. Oh, let's talk about a few things first of all I think it's a mistake to ever look at the news as needing ratings And that is maybe a systematic problem that we need to address in the future That is a huge problem But the idea the Trump's like you need me you need the bad guy. I mean, that's out of movies that that sort of mentality Yeah, but look I also Arguably correct. It's debatable. I mean you see that MSNBC's ratings are higher now than they were during the election
Starting point is 00:12:17 And who's to say how much of an effect Trump directly has on that? I mean, we're we're getting back to the Dark Knight territory, you know without Batman There wouldn't be a Joker right right without Joker. There wouldn't be a Batman right whole thing Well, now you're in Alex Jones territory and looking at movies as allegorical for reality Well, but the whole point behind the Dark Knight was it was allegorical like that was the idea, right? Like it was like that's that's choosing to ignore any art that is allegorical. So now further Alex's Sort of contention that Trump like no other politician before operates based on the truth
Starting point is 00:12:54 Yes, is an ironic thing for him to be talking about so soon after a Trump Got rid of that election integrity commission that he had started to find all that all that voter fraud those millions of Illegals that voted so weird that they didn't find any of those voter so weird that he did an executive order getting rid of that committee late At night hoping that no one would notice and in the executive order that came out. He's like He just blames the states. Yeah, they wouldn't give us the information. Yeah, it's there. It's there. It's obvious Such bullshit everybody nailed it. So now we get to sensible policies is I think you scoffed there All of his policies are very sensible You know, he wants 18 billion dollars to build a wall that no rational human being would see as a
Starting point is 00:13:42 Effective be Reasonable or see enough money to build a silly wall. Sure, like it's a ridiculous proposition on all possible sides It might be enough money to build a silly wall. That's true If they painted the wall With like bozo the clown hmm, perfect. I'm way on board with that wall, right? You could get some advertising bucks to there. Oh, oh, man clown NASCAR could sponsor the wall that is just fucking gold make no mistake that would probably of course of course So this is the beginning of the rant so far. We haven't really taken a turn towards the
Starting point is 00:14:18 You know what why people are interested so far. It's just a setup of like yeah, Trump is right He's bringing back an economy all of this stuff and again We can sort of dismiss a lot of that because a lot of the gains in terms of the the stock market are the trends Continuing that have been continuing right and a lot of this like these business optimism indexes are really just I mean They're speculative by business owners Yes, and at the same time they are based on an idea that they will have to pay less Yeah, and be able to not treat their employees better Well, the big thing there will be less regulation governing how hard they screw us the big thing that drives me insane
Starting point is 00:14:58 Whenever anybody talks about the economy going up is that the economy is going up so long as we're still in the realm of Imagination sure like all of the economy going up is completely imaginary like the stock market rising once again These are not tied to real things like uber has a valuation of like 80 billion dollars Whatever and it's losing money constantly that the floor on that is going to drop and they're going to explode Bitcoin why did it go up so high because all the trading is done by algorithms like all of this is Imaginary money and none of it is going to people who work for a living right, so that means that Sooner or later reality is gonna hit and it's going to hit People who work for a living we didn't actually gain anything in the economy
Starting point is 00:15:51 Even whenever everybody said the economy is growing under Obama's years Normal people who work for a living did not actually gain anything during those times. No like now admittedly We got more jobs during that time because at the 2007 financial crash everybody fucking exploded But hey, do you remember the 2007 financial crash Dan? Do you know why that financial crash happened? Why is that because all the money was imaginary, right? So also I My point being it's going to happen again sure I don't think anyone denies that but also I think at least the last time I checked on these small business optimism numbers Yeah, most of the like it's a composite of a bunch of different factors
Starting point is 00:16:31 And some of the factors are things like do you think things are going to improve and then there's other ones that are like Are you planning on raising inventory? Are you planning on hiring more right and those ones that directly affect people needing jobs or needing raises? Yes, those are stagnant those have not been growing But the other factors have been growing high enough to make the optimism index go way up Right and that to me is sort of artificial in terms of even that statistic meaning anything Because the things that you would look for would be are you raising inventory right? Are you hiring more people? Do you have plans to expand do you think people are gonna buy more shit right?
Starting point is 00:17:13 I'm not I don't remember if that one's actually who cares But you know what I'm saying like the things that would affect you and I were we employees of these small businesses? Yes, that are being indexed those things aren't necessarily really changing right But you know Statistically Alex isn't totally lying. He's just not really dealing with what the reality of those stats mean Yeah, so anyway, that's not what people are further. That's not why this went viral furthermore generally speaking no president in the Changeover period of the first two years really has any actual effect on the economy as I understand
Starting point is 00:17:47 It's more really the first year exactly. No is too much No, it's really two years like and even then the only president who has really had a huge effect on it was Obama Simply by passing that massive almost trillion dollar stimulus bill, right? Otherwise. It's just the Previous administration and its policies Overrunning and then after two years. It's like oh, we're all fucked Like it's the same shit that happens every time Reagan had nothing to do with anyways continue. Let's get to let's get to greener pastures So we can figure out why did this rant go viral? Okay?
Starting point is 00:18:23 And now Michael Wolfe known for yellow journalism. I mean he's famous for festooning His news reports without right fabrications That's not what that was like you hang ornaments on a Christmas tree You festoon ornaments on a Christmas. He's not come out and said he has no way to know If any of it's true So let's talk about that really quick So there's no way to know if any of it's true Alex is reading a headline and it's from aol.com and
Starting point is 00:18:56 Great the headline is Michael Wolfe says he can't be sure if parts of his explosive Trump book are true Yes, Alex didn't read this article because who would guess in the second paragraph Just real close to the top It says Michael Wolfe the author of fire and fury inside the Trump White House included a note at the start which casts Significant doubt on the reliability of specifics contained in the rest of its pages a number of his sources He says we're definitely lying to him Well, some offered accounts that flatly contradict those of others right they were nonetheless included in the vivid account of the West Wing's workings in a process Wolfe describes as allowing the reader to judge whether they are true
Starting point is 00:19:34 So I think that that's as long as there is that caveat I don't think that it's necessarily wrong to write that way But it's stupid that Alex doesn't realize what the headline means right the headline means Michael Wolfe came out and said These fuckers were lying to me right which is obvious. That's obviously true. He's not saying I don't know if I made stuff up, which is what Alex wants the audience to think Yeah, it's absolutely a complete misrepresentation and a lie and furthermore if you are quoting people you should absolutely quote the ones who are Directly contradicting other people. That's an important thing to put in the book I don't know the context of how he reported it or or anything along those lines, but if I were doing a
Starting point is 00:20:17 story along those Like like what he's doing right there. I would definitely make sure you you heard look at what this guy said Look at what that guy said, right? How do they compare to each other and you decide, you know, who might be telling the truth who might be lying what their agendas are Yeah, those different types. I haven't read the book at all, but I read that long excerpt in New York Mag I believe the the one about Trump not wanting to win. It was sort of the thrust right And I do mean what I have been saying the entire time I think a lot of people have but I I thought that the writing was a bit flower. Yeah, that you're right
Starting point is 00:20:53 That wasn't supposed to jerk myself off. No, no, I didn't I didn't take it that way But I I took it to be like pretty Like I hate to keep going back to Sederis, but like he is the sort of archetype of creative non-fiction guy Yeah, he's lying a lot. Yeah in his writing, but it's in order to create this ambiance And like a spiritual truth or whatever and that is the sense that I got from that piece in New York Magazine That there was a lot of truths in it hidden with Assumptions on the level of Alex Jones when he says Megan Kelly thinks she's ugly and wants to go to NBC Yeah, yeah, the difference is that Alex Jones isn't doing creative non-fiction. He's pretending that he's a truth-teller
Starting point is 00:21:36 And like I literally never lie to you and that stuff whereas Wolf owns up to his style Yeah, and what he does well, I'm not trying to defend Wolf at all No, he could be the biggest piece of shit in the world. I have no idea. I texted you earlier I was like give me a reason to read this book. Mm-hmm, and then I can't think of any reason. I believe my response was I can't Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if there's any value in it I think it could just reinforce a lot of ideas that people already have that's my main issue with it And every story that's come out has completely corroborated what people want to be true And there's nothing there's nothing to say that that's not true
Starting point is 00:22:16 But I don't know absolutely not I worry I worry about the the the mentality of getting Your beliefs affirmed. Yes when the source of that affirmation is not necessarily Strictly credible and is somebody who has a history of saying Things that you want to be true right right? I've looked at because he has been accused of fabricating quotes a number of times throughout his career And I looked at some of them and some of them like he's probably lying about this Yeah, and then some of them are like oh, they don't want this out. Yeah Like there's there are probably there at least a few examples like because he wrote a book called burn rate
Starting point is 00:22:55 It was about like his time how tech like water boils. No, okay Tech startup type stuff and he was talking about these like CEOs who are all doing coke and like we're assholes and shit like that and some of their quotes were challenged and Obviously Obviously, they do coke and say dumb shit. Yeah, I do. I don't find that hard to believe Exactly, but you know, there's a lot of quotes that a lot of people say that they don't want out necessarily and banon has a history of that Banon and mooch both ended up just say random ass shit whenever they feel probably drunkenly calling reporters and not telling them It's off the record, which is a delay. So you have these guys who are like
Starting point is 00:23:36 Shit, yeah fucking talk shit with you. Yeah asshole. Yeah, and then it's and then I don't know I it says a lot the banon hasn't at least at the point we were recording this come out and been like I didn't say those things Yeah, no or or the the fact that Trump put out that statement, right? His denial is the best proof. That was what I was trying to get to it right when we were starting the beginning of this when I was talking about everyone sort of Treating it as if it's real when it's you don't need to respond Alex played himself a little bit in terms of like Not getting it together and figuring out how to approach this narrative, but Trump really played himself Yeah, and I think that with who could have guessed that and what that has to mean to me
Starting point is 00:24:19 I think is that wolf was around the White House and I think that he Trump is worried that those quotes and a lot of the stuff that's going to be in that are true Absolutely, but I don't know I it's it's tough to war games this some would some are true Some aren't true. That's kind of the situation right by denying it You verify that it the very least some are true or at very least you'd indicate that you're shook You'd like you at least show your cards that you're worried. Yes When it when in all reality all you have to do is say nothing. Yeah, that's all you have to yeah Even better if you were just like this is this guy is beneath me. Yeah, I don't need to respond to this
Starting point is 00:24:58 Are you guys aware of this guy's career? Yeah, please. I'm not gonna dignify this with a response Yeah, and anybody who wasn't like oh, yeah, probably would behave that way Yeah, and what I think is that that statement was advised to him by lawyers or something like that or maybe not even lawyers people around him Right being like get ahead of the story get ahead of this. Yeah, and I think that that's telling anyway back to clip And he's gone to say quote I'll do whatever is necessary To get the story again. There's about Michael Wolf any journalist would say that right? Wolf in journalists clothing
Starting point is 00:25:36 By the way, this guy looks so disingenuous I saw a photo of him last night smiling and it reminded me of a piece. I've been wanting to do for months Guys go to Google images and get Brian Stelter smiling. It is the most disingenuous Wolf-like demon face. I've ever seen and then you look at Wolf. It looks like Wolf is Brian Stelter's real daddy Oh boy, that makes perfect sense. So there's a couple things I want to bring into a real sharp focus here First Alex Jones hates Brian Stelter. We've covered this of the past. Yes He called him mr. Not mr. Creepy that was the guy with the mustache But he went on that long Jag talking about how Brian Stelter wants to get you in a van and shit like that, right?
Starting point is 00:26:17 He has a long documented history of hating Brian Stelter and so that's not surprising What is surprising to me is that for months? He's been planning on doing a special report about Brian Stelter's smile I am amazed that it has well. I'm amazed. He didn't say for years. I've been planning on doing that I don't know if Stelter's been in the on the scene for years is the thing I think he's I mean he's come to my awareness pretty recently. I'm gonna be honest I'm going back and forth between pictures of Michael Wolf and Brian Stelter He's got an argument because there's no no no no their smile is is oddly similar. All right fine. Anyway, let's let's get Let's get let's get deeper into this. Okay, and enjoy where the rant kicks off in earnest
Starting point is 00:26:59 I'll come find it during the break because there's no way for you guys know which ones I want. It's Brian Stelter. There it is Oh my god. I mean that is a horror movie cover Seriously, he is scarier looking than hit the clown. I mean would you let your children anywhere near that? Psychopath, I mean that is a psychopath right there. I mean look at him. Oh, I Mean, it's just it cries out Danger danger alert alert. I am a scumbag. I am filth. I am your enemy And then you look at the photos of wolf smiling and it's the only person I've ever seen that looks that creepy, man Oh
Starting point is 00:27:39 I can say it's a still image photo of him smile in the same way with that power trip looking his eyes It's in Google images. Just type in Michael Wolf journalist That's his cover and and you'll see the Brian Stelter look. I believe he is related to Stelter. He's got to be I mean Folks I would literally not be able to finish my dinner if somebody walked over and talked to me that looked like these two guys And I'm sorry. They're not just lying anti-American scumbags They want to run us all on the ground because they're little men. They're pieces of crap. They think they're better than everybody That's what it's about. It's the spirit of evil and we must break them So, I mean this is boring to us. Yeah, everyone everyone really loves this
Starting point is 00:28:25 But this is boring to us because it's so standard. Yeah It's so much what Alex does and even he can't get past like I am gonna keep reminding you about this This is about two men's smile. Yeah, but he never can really even address things differently than they think they're better than us They think they're better than me. They think they're so smart blah blah blah blah blah. It's all it's all so Standard it's insecure. Yeah, that's all that's all he's got it is it is fun It's fun to see what goes viral and imagine how much we would ruin it like like even currently we're just like Yeah That's him. Mm-hmm. Have you guys not? Oh, no, you haven't okay. Well fine. We do this so much
Starting point is 00:29:08 Yeah, enjoy enjoy this viral clip or you could listen to our show five years for five months ago You could do that. I would I would say that there is still some things that are worth it and pretty fun Within this viral rant. I'm in but it bears mentioning like this is not like this is par for the course for now Yeah, I know you guys could you guys could have just watched the show at any point. I'm petty I'm worried that I'm not that smart. I'm insecure. Those guys are thinner than me I lie all the time and therefore I'm worried that this other guy is lying. Right. It's just it's very His psychology bores me. Yes So here we get into some evil talk
Starting point is 00:29:54 Is somebody a profile no, we don't get there. I don't think yet, but don't get me wrong We'll get there. Yeah, no, no, no, don't worry. I knew we were gonna bring pedophile into this We're so far. We're just at evil and then Alex makes a claim that I strongly disagree with Any time I need energy now, I'm hanging wolf and stelter and Hillary. She's a other person that's got the same demon look I'm better than you. I'm smarter than you. I'm a ravenous piece of garbage And I'm gonna hang all three of them on my office wall In fact, I'm putting their faces up all over the office because I want people to know who the enemy is Unbelievable is that his ringtone
Starting point is 00:30:41 You guys still haven't found the one it's a body shot of of wolf and he's looking down with that Just that Disingenuous predator look of I'm not even hiding the fact that I hate everybody and then I'm a piece of crap and I want to Abuse you and I want to lie to you and I want to hurt you But then there's a disingenuousness where he thinks you don't know And it's like a joke that we're not in on No, that's not it it's it's a body shot It's him kind of looking down it actually got that same smile as stelter and these are photos that they themselves
Starting point is 00:31:21 Put out as publicity photos I've tried to do joke photos like this to look disingenuous and I can make any face I want to I can't pull it off because the eyes It's always in the eyes, so I invite anybody to just Google pictures of Alex Jones and look at his creepy-ass eyes I you can hear how creepy his eyes are when he fake laughs. Absolutely. Yeah, you can hear it I don't even need to see the video. I'm just like his eyes probably look creepy while he's fake laughing this premise of like I Can't even get myself to look evil like these fucks is so flawed. Yeah, it's a That is a good flawed present premise right there any Google image search you have of Alex Jones. You're gonna see a
Starting point is 00:32:10 Real disastrous face. Okay. Now hold on a devastating face Let's let's try and figure out. Let's parse first off that sentence. I love it second off What that look would be right? So the first part of that sentence is They know you can see it in their eyes when they're looking at you. I'm lying to you. I'm telling you of falsehoods I'm trying to eat you but then also there's a disingenuous look of you. Don't know right Yeah, what does that face look like? What even what even is he describing? He's just fucking letting off steam I know but the face that he's describing is somebody who's eating you while at the same time
Starting point is 00:32:52 Lying to you about thinking that you don't know He's mad that he got launched off on a narrative about Steve Bannon losing his mind and shit like that That's gonna make his job so much more difficult now, right? Because I think he's bitter about Michael Wolf, right? I think he's bitter that he didn't do his research on him before he committed to Hey Bannon's lost his mind and has armed security around him at all times He has a paramilitary troops guarding him and shit like that. Yep. He he I Think he's mad about that
Starting point is 00:33:24 I think he's probably a little bit mad at Trump for that statement because it boxes him into a corner now I don't think that he can Credibly cite Breitbart. No loses one of his allies. He already major allies He already thinks that Bannon has lost his mind So that means is the entirety of Breitbart is what's pretty much gone And it calls into question so many of the narratives that Breitbart pushed that Alex jumped on before It calls into question Alex's credibility and he knows that if anyone's paying attention That is a thought that they have to have it's like hey
Starting point is 00:33:57 If Bannon is this manipulative and this fucking crazy. Yeah, he didn't just get there overnight Like he's always been that guy Therefore, yeah, look at the narratives that were coming out of Breitbart and think about whether they're true or not Think about whether or not you Alex Jones got sued by Hamdi oolokaya of Chobani yogurt because of stories that you doubled down on that were published in Breitbart Now is that does that give you any pause? Do you now look at that slightly different Alex emmerich Jones? Do you realize how played you've been? You are taking the second step which as we both know is not a possible thing for the world of Alex Jones
Starting point is 00:34:40 It's fascinating like he's gonna do another Breitbart story tomorrow. Probably does on this show That's probably true. Yeah, I mean so far. We've just had and in Breitbart. We're reporting that oh He's not the right editor right now. I've got some steam coming out of my collar shirts I just I don't I don't understand this level of stupid like legitimately if we had a source that we really liked and then it came out like Oh, this person's nuts Probably be like hey, sorry, we we covered that stuff and at the same time call into question Oh, the you know the things that were laid the track that was laid because of stories from the source Do we have a source that we really like I feel like we kind of hate everybody. I like primary sources
Starting point is 00:35:28 No, I mean that's the show. Oh, you know, it's credible Credible source No, I don't I take everything with a grain Yeah, I think we I think what like even you like you like green walled a little bit But even you admit that I think I think green walled as a complete you've cited him a number of times I have cited him a number of times right at the same time I think he's a complete asshole sure and I think he's wrong at least as much as he's right like anything He says I take with the grain of salt. Yeah early. I like early on on the show
Starting point is 00:35:59 I think I in particular probably gave too much credibility to some stuff that had been on Twitter But we addressed that at the time right and you know apologized. Yeah, no Adjusted that's what Alex is not doing even people that we've talked about before like a Sarah Kenzi or sure that kind of thing Like I like her. I think she's doing good work, but at the same time I'm gonna take everything she says with a grain of salt. Yeah, absolutely anybody who is predictive Frustrates and angers me well predictive Predictive punditry, I guess if you want to call it that yeah, it seems unfair, but maybe if you want to call it that it's There's the problem of the future like you can you and always have things be right or wrong if you're predicting stuff
Starting point is 00:36:42 Yes, that's why I bucked when at the end of last year you asked me for years predictions like nah, right now I'm gonna do it. I think I'm I think I think I still nailed it though I think white people are gonna be an issue probably speaking of a white guy. That's an issue Alex Jones nice transition France not nearly done And again, I am always following my gut from now on with people and how just like Trump said and they got big studies out You can tell somebody's lying you can tell somebody's been sick even a few hours even though the virus or bacteria hasn't really replicated What he's talking I know I know that I I saw that yeah, what he's talking about is that there are Indications you can have it doesn't mean that everyone can pick up on those indications
Starting point is 00:37:22 Oh, it's like it's not like a everyone has a super power where they can tell if you're sick or lying, right? It's just that you know, there are little cues right like like a genuine smile Like there's something about the eyebrows or some shit like that that go up in the in whatever way I'm certain there is Yeah, I'm sure there is I don't give a shit. Yeah, that's sort of that that area of study has always been like interesting But at the same time, I don't want to use it. Yeah, I can the sort of body language specialists They have on TV, right, I don't want to I don't want to boil down interaction to that level very Malcolm Gladwell Ian So to speak hey, you love him. I do not Your brain is such a super computer that your first shallow approximation is not shallow
Starting point is 00:38:07 It's the deepest thing to paraphrase the president But just look at stelter again put him on screen. I think there's all the broadcast should be is just a photo of stelter smiling Oh my gosh, oh hell on earth He's struggling now to try and figure out what to talk about other than stelter is weird and Oh, it's almost Bernie Sanders, isn't it? It's close. So each pivots from Near orgasmic moaning right into this he wants to run your life He wants to control every aspect of your life because he knows he is a cowardly degenerate sack of
Starting point is 00:38:50 Anti-human trash. I like a man with ambition. I pledge before my heavenly father So Yes, yes, he's gonna play it's time to pray. He's gonna pledge time to pray Dan But like Brian stelter wants to control everything. He's an ambitious man. Yeah, even though he knows he's a coward very ambitious Yeah, he's a coward though crazy. You can tell he's a coward. It's crazy to think that a high schooler would be like I'm gonna be on CNN. That's very ambitious. Yeah, I don't think he wants well It's crazy that somebody like Paul Ryan is like we have been dreaming about Disabling and destroying the welfare state since college. Yeah, that's a weird thing to dream about. That's also ambitious
Starting point is 00:39:31 Yeah, it's ambitious the wrong direction. Yeah I will resist them Every way I can these people are the literal demon spawn of the pit of hell look at him And you know what he is better than you if you keep letting him run your life He runs your kids. He runs the schools. He runs the banks this guy The spirit this smiling leering devil that thinks you can't see what he is He is your enemy Period musical tone to all the narcissistic devil worshiping filth
Starting point is 00:40:08 I see you enemy, I see you enemy You are my enemy And I swear total resistance to you with everything I've got you don't really have a choice at this point Yeah, I know you're kind of you're kind of in there You've made your bed. Yeah, this is not like an impressive moral stand against Brian stelter At the same time like What are you saying is like these smiles reveal the demonic force that's behind them So when he says that Brian stelter runs the schools and runs the banks
Starting point is 00:40:46 He's talking about the demon that possesses him right and now here's where we have to get into like a really Are we sure he's talking about that damn? Yeah, he did say that. Oh, I think you're laughing. Well, you But like what we really have to get into is this schizophrenia Because it's really close to David Ike in terms of David Ike saying that people are shape-shifting lizards Whenever he like David Ike when he got a divorce one of the grounds for divorce was that his wife was a lizard that I Mean is that was he in a no fault state because I feel like I feel like grounds for like I don't she is a lizard That is kind of deceptive. I don't know how England's laws work So I can't comment on that but like that is that is the sort of mentality that Alex is manifesting
Starting point is 00:41:32 It's like anybody who's against us. I see a demon inside. Yeah. Yeah, that is really fucked up That's really no way for us to operate as a society is Okay, like as much as we as much as we clown on Alex and like he's stupid and all this We're not saying he's a demon now who never never never go to that extent because there's very easy psychological explanations He is damaged. He's from his childhood. He's probably brain damaged depending on depending on which way you want to go He has borderline personality disorder or oppositional defiance disorder or he's a psychopath. Don't break the Goldwater rule Yeah, I think we're past that I think the Goldwater rule is that out the window and we're not we're not professionals No, but I just I really I really resent that I really don't like that sort of approach because it's a dangerous thing
Starting point is 00:42:20 It's a dangerous game to play because you can just apply it to anybody Yeah, and almost anybody has an unflattering picture of them that you could dig up somewhere where they look evil You know, especially with Facebook now if you can just get on someone's Facebook You could find some crazy pictures back. Look at this guy. He's evil I feel like I don't have any pictures where I look evil so much more as like if you get me from the right angle And the way my hair is parted. I look kind of like a penis like that's evil Bear evil bear. I do look like an evil penis. All right, so Alex at this point Besides he's gonna just jump into freaking out about demons course
Starting point is 00:42:58 This ingenious fake false broke back twisted a defiler a betrayer a backstabber a devil You will pay yeah, you think I don't see your face come you don't think I don't see you Delta I see you you understand me. I know what you think of me and my family I see you right back. You understand that you understand that Delta Oh You will fall you will not bring humanity down God is going to destroy you Get him off the screen
Starting point is 00:43:48 So evil just please God free us from them They're drunk on our children's blood for God's sake So that is something that could be tossed aside as an aside But as we know from listening to him He genuinely believes that the globalists drink children's blood to harvest a drink chrome and get high off of it Yeah, of course is silly and also an archaic anti-semitic canard, right? This is the blood libel coming back into effect. Yeah, they're coming for our women Mm-hmm. Yeah, and now is probably a good time for me to bring up that Michael Wolfe is Jewish
Starting point is 00:44:24 And now is another good time for me to bring up that Alex thinks that Brian stelter is Jewish But he was raised a Christian. He's now an atheist, but his wife is Jewish Ah, well, that's all I need to know. He was married in a Jewish ceremony. Ah, and I don't think that that's a coincidence Ah, I think that Alex when he's talking about these people looking evil. I think he's responding to very somatic Archetypial facial features in the life. Yes. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, I think that's what this is all about Really? Well, I think it's I think I know I feel like Alex doesn't have the time to be conscious level though No, no, I mean level of ten minutes at the top of the show screaming about them being demons Also, once again slipping in that they're drunk on our children's blood. Why is it stelter again?
Starting point is 00:45:18 Because there a reason that it's stelter because he has a smile that's like Michael Wolfe's That's it. No, no, I know but he also just hates Brian stelter because he said a few things that are Judgmental of Trump in the past. Oh and because he works for CNN who as we know is Isis Isis Yeah, right, but I don't think it's a coincidence that the rant that he's going on isn't substantive about Wolfe at all It's about how he looks evil and that links him to Brian stelter who also looks evil And you even said they could be related you looked at pictures of them and what you're responding to is also Fairly Jewish facial Traits am I anti-Semitic you might have been a little bit. I did not know that well
Starting point is 00:46:00 I know I don't think your version is harmful in saying that they could be related, but again They have similar facial features. That's not my fault Brian stelter isn't Jewish I don't know now I'm concerned you shouldn't be concerned now I'm concerned you should be more concerned about the fact that that's probably what's motivating this demonic Vitriol that Alex has and the fact that he's not addressing any of the real issues About Wolfe if he was really just mad about Wolfe being a liar and trying to take out his president. There's a lot more Valuable approaches to take now like like quite frankly if he were just to go over His career and he were to address the idea that this guy is a creative non-fiction writer basically and that he spent his life manufacturing manufacturing stories that are
Starting point is 00:46:50 Spiritually accurate but not literally accurate right right he could get a lot of sale out of that right he could get a lot of narratives about like We should just not believe this guy. He has an agenda He could do any of those things the fact that he's focusing almost exclusively on Appearance and relating it to demons and then relating demons to They're drunk on our children's blood means that those things are connected in his brain Yeah, this appearance is a sign of a demon within you that wants to drink our children's blood That is inexorable in my mind now connected not to come to Alex's defense Because as we know that's not a thing. I like to do but
Starting point is 00:47:34 Generally speaking Alex goes after everybody's appearance true, but often it's like they're ugly like with Megan Kelly He's like she's ugly. It's not that she's a demon and wants to drink your children's blood, right? No, but he's done that. He's done that plenty of times before right, but And disregard it like I think I think that's just more of his go-to move Anytime he feels challenged by anybody intellectually right as he tries to cut them down Appearance wise you're not wrong. You're not wrong. I I think that I might I might be Drawing too sharp a connection. Yeah, and I'm not making the I would never make the argument that Alex is aware that this is what he's doing I just think that it is such a piece of his
Starting point is 00:48:20 Sort of worldview that yeah can't get away from it, right, right, but like I was saying I don't think that Alex literally believe like I think he believes this But I don't think he knows he believes it and I'm certain that he doesn't understand where these narratives come Yeah, I would say that it's I would say that this particular kind kind of thing may be subconscious because I don't think he has time Amidst all of his hate to specifically single out Jews No, but I but I what I would what I would pause it is that he doesn't have the time because if he did it would Deconstruct so much of what he believes right like if he had the time to look into like why why the fuck do I think that these Elites drink children's blood and scare them first
Starting point is 00:49:01 You're little Google a lot of blood drinking traces back to something William of Norwich Well, like if you if he were to do that he would only have two possible outcomes One would be oh shit so much of this is based on this blood libel shit I got it. I I got a deal with this more realistically right or he would have to be like shit Sense the like fourteen hundreds Jews have been doing this Oh my god, and then he'd have to turn into David Duke now that would be funny, right? I mean that would be negative
Starting point is 00:49:36 But if all of a sudden on his show he has a revela revelation moment where it's just like it's Jews fault You'd be like all right, dude. Let's find out where this shit goes It would be like watching someone come out of the closet. Oh for sure be like we know Alex. Just say We've known we've known you were anti-Semitic for ever It would be a problem, but it'd be a relief right You just embrace it not like embrace it But at least if it's only open we can all deal with and now's the time to make clear that Anti-Semitism and being gay are not related
Starting point is 00:50:11 No, I don't If this is your first time listening to this show, let's make it very clear Right, I think everybody else knows that we're kind of against anti's I shouldn't have said kind of I'm gonna go 100% against him anti-Semitism. So let's get back to this rant. I Forgot I mean let's talk about this because in that last clip I forgot I was so caught up in the the children's blood and what have you that I Forgot the the true comedy of Stelter My mortal
Starting point is 00:50:54 Bueller's day off You've done it again stelter on it again anyway Okay, I'm gonna stop right now. You're not I'm gonna find the photo a wolf The author of the exceed I'm just giving you a little bit of how they feel about you see But but not the same spirit from a from a spirit of will and strength against evil and recognizing evil and letting it know You understand what it's up to and that you see it You understand
Starting point is 00:51:25 Because they don't want to be identified it, but they want to hang it out right there in front of you and not be identified like the Joker I see it. I know it's your real faces Oh They just absolutely love to hurt innocents They just rubbed their hands together to break down civilization to destroy families to defile everything they can and to deceive and to mislead It's a bit so again so much of that even right there goes back to the protocols of the Elders of Zion in terms of its conception of the globalist So I mean we could do this every day whenever we cover anything that right this goes back to anti-Semitism Right, right, but it is valuable to bring up that the destruction of the family lying to everybody controlling the media that stuff is all
Starting point is 00:52:07 The globalists New World Order conception that is crafted from the fraudulent text Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I don't like to me It seems kind of odd for him to pull that language out specifically because even at my worst enemy Like the only people I can think of who do delight in that kind of torture are serial killers He thinks that the globalist are serial killers I know but but I mean even like like I think bankers are in general psychopaths Right who are murdering us all but at the same time I know they go home and they actually Like care about their families or what most of them yet, you know like that kind of a thing
Starting point is 00:52:48 I don't think at the same rate as anyone does yeah, exactly like there are people who are psychopaths through and through right But that doesn't mean that you can be like you can't do a sort of exploitative job Right and then have a normal life. I would say there's a like whatever Like in John Ronson's the psychopath test I would say that there's probably a higher percentage in Banking and politics and that type possibly of psychopaths, but I still don't think they delight in torture in the same way that certain Serial killers do you know what I mean? Yeah, like there are a lot of psychopaths in the general population who just like Don't give a shit. You know like that's just kind of their deal. Yep. Um, yeah, I agree
Starting point is 00:53:29 Yeah, I don't know what I was gonna say. I had a rebuttal not a rebuttal but sort of another thing Yeah, I don't know what it was anyway Build their own universe of fraud. This is the compendium of their Abomination desolation That's a good Continue here for a second the author of the explosive new Trump book says he can't be sure parts of it are true It just does whatever it takes to get in the nose No, there you go again read the articles Alex not what he said read the articles
Starting point is 00:54:00 Anyway, here's the also in Michael Wolfe's book from what I have heard about it Trump at a certain point They're like, you know, all he does is read the headlines and I'm like That's why they get along. Yeah, you guys are kindred spirits. Well, there is that thing that was from that excerpt where Trump was quoted as saying he didn't know who John Boehner was and that's not realistic I didn't know that there's one. There's one point where I believe Roger Ailes suggested Boehner as a chief of staff as I remember the the excerpt and Trump's responses Who is that and I don't think that that can possibly be true Well, even if that is like I could see that being true in more of like a sarcastic kind of biting sense of like true
Starting point is 00:54:43 Even is that you know that kind of a thing I would I would say that's probably if you're taking that out of context. You could see that as like him being a doddering old I think it's a sunlight. I think it's impossible to sort of look at that as Literally true like like he doesn't know who this this person who he's right. He's tweeted about him a bunch Yeah, we're forever. Yeah, but but yeah, I don't I don't know, but I just Alex has got to read he's gonna start reading that. Oh, that's the other thing I wanted to bring up when we were talking about this idea of like his his conception of the globalist as psychopaths and shit like that
Starting point is 00:55:19 For I think this year especially and a couple months before 2018 hit I'd been reading a lot of primary globalist texts. Yes But Alex Jones puts out as like these are evil and you have come to the conclusion that Alex is correct. Totally. Yeah I've read multiple reports from the Club of Rome. Yes, I've read most of eco science the 1600 page book by John P. Holdren, right? I've read countless other things Some Zabrigu New Brzezinski books, right? I've read some writings by like a singer and what one of the things that I'm coming not Brian singer. No, no
Starting point is 00:55:56 No, fuck him. One of the things that I'm coming away from it with is a actually a growing respect for the globalists well not the globalist, but people in charge, right? Like I'm coming away from it with a very Expanded respect for how difficult choices are. Yes And how big the world is right and how like especially like we talked about this I think a little bit before but the Club of Rome one of their big things is that they look at the world's problems as being Interconnected and how if you work on one problem often you can hurt another problem And when you look at the world from that sort of holistic view it becomes really difficult to make a choice It becomes really difficult to
Starting point is 00:56:40 Advocate for a certain position. It's the paralysis of the serial isle, right? And they don't they generally don't advocate for a certain position, right? They discuss like these are the things that could happen when x y or z happens and it's Fascinating to me. It makes me feel much more like we're in good hands Well, there are people who are going through that level of analysis. Yeah, and I couldn't do that No, I mean, that's that's kind of the the ultimate failure Jones is having the opposite effect on me that he would want to have. No, of course I mean, that's that's kind of the failure of what Trump really is is he thinks
Starting point is 00:57:16 It's just a guy who can do a thing, right? And that's just not how it works like I mean, I mean I think I I think I can tell you a lot of solutions to problems But if I were to apply a solution to a problem that would almost certainly fuck up another issue like G variable ABCD down to G exactly you hadn't considered would be completely fucked up Which is what which is what Obama does did do? Very well. Yeah, he just didn't do certain solutions the way that Would have been perhaps best, you know, and and we'll get we'll get deeper into this as time goes on But one of the things that I've also found pretty fascinating is I've read some like conservative
Starting point is 00:58:02 Publications to that Alex complains about and I'm finding pretty similar things there like I disagree with their positions Yeah, but they're certainly not nearly as evil as Alex paints them out to be right like even the project for a new American century document Like there's a lot of problems in that and I disagree with a lot of the world view But if you actually go read it, I'm not convinced that most of their intention wasn't to Create a better situation where the United States could help the world I don't know if I don't I don't think it's proof that they did 9-eleven, right? There's or There are a lot of really fucked up things that you can find therein, but it's I don't I I think that I think that generally
Starting point is 00:58:45 I don't know. I don't it's weird that I'm starting to have a trust of government. Yeah, but that is very strange But again, these aren't really necessarily the government. They're sort of Strangely enough, do you know what one thing that I have? Actually been coming not around on but have been starting to respect Trump's position on North Korea. Oh boy. Like in all honesty, I know it's very wild, but I'm starting to think like Just like Nixon's position of going to China. Yeah. No, no, no, like you want crazy I'll show you fucking crazy. Oh, yeah, like that kind of a thing in in some ways that is effective
Starting point is 00:59:27 You think you're local the yeah, exactly like there is there is a certain extent of maybe Just call their fucking bluff like that could be a thing like I don't know like the the issue with that is that it's so high-risk It seems it seems insane zero room for He has pocket aces right whatever then exactly the game is over. Yeah, you're all in and you have a loser hand And I think right it's a it's a fascinating. It's a fascinating idea that I just I disagree with you coming around on it No, no, I'm not okay. Maybe it's coming around on it should be a very qualified position I think I am starting to see Even by accident because it's clearly by accident. Yeah, there's no there's no like thoughtful position behind
Starting point is 01:00:16 I've got a bigger dick than you right, but at the same time like also that really pissed Alex off Yeah, the everyone talking about how those tweets were really about Trump's dick really pissed Alex off really he spent a good like Five ten minutes talking about how like come on man. That's nonsense. Why are you trying to make this about sex? This is about buttons This is about nukes and everyone talks about how Trump's hands are so small his hands his hands are fine No, that's about his dick and also everybody knows that it's more about your feet That is a paraphrased quote from Do you mean Alex was talking about his dick in the defense of Trump not talking about his dick Alex is like I'm talking about my dick Everyone knows it's feet
Starting point is 01:01:00 crazy, I don't know man like I agree I Agree that there may be some validity to calling bluffs and what have you but at the same time Where do you get after you call that? No, of course? No, you know this the situation doesn't become stabilized The only way you can call the bluff really is to attack right if you attack then oh no, no There is no bluff again. I still gets destroyed. I'm not I'm not saying it's a good idea I'm saying that there are that I am starting to see again like you said certain merits to the concept Well, they're not thoughtful. They're not thought out. Let me be the let me push back against this Because I think that actually what's going on is
Starting point is 01:01:42 Partially what you're talking about but also also partially a Maintenance of the status quo because I think with this like war of words that he's having over Twitter and this antagonizing of Kim Jong-un what you have is a maintenance of the sort of strategic tension that we have in the world with like these this rogue state It wants to attack its neighbors. You know, they're a weird despotic regime and You know, what we can't really do anything about it because they're gonna attack everybody Yeah, that sort of status quo has lived with us since the Cold War That's a really good point and what he's doing is not attacking them. He's not addressing the situation
Starting point is 01:02:21 He's just escalating that status quo, right? So now the status quo is going to be all of us scared all the time that he's going to say the wrong thing Yes, and then he came Jong-un is going to so we're what you're saying is that this is simply a more public version of Mutually assured destruction that you would have seen in you know late 60s with the Quote Russian menace somewhat. Yeah, but I also think still didn't hear fucking Eisenhower be like hey I got a bigger dick than Russia on on Twitter. Yeah, I still don't think anyone's going to pop off Like I still don't think either Trump or oon is going to nuke anybody I well
Starting point is 01:03:02 But the fear to me has nothing to do with those two lunatics and everything to do with what happened in Russia Multiple times of just like we're gonna prepare for this eventuality Then there's some kind of glitch or whatever and some low-level guy is just like I was told to push this button And that's that and when you're in a regime like North Korea There's much less chance that they are going to be as restrained right the Russians who saved the world right well The we know the war the singular Russian dude who say no of one But yes, there's nothing to say that that incident didn't happen more than no I would say or even here. No, of course
Starting point is 01:03:41 I would say it probably if you know of one it probably happened between four and six times like that kind of a thing So so that's the potential for accidents is very high, right? That's not my fear isn't these two idiots It's it's you know that trickle-down effect of everybody is constantly on red alert and always afraid Yeah, and when human beings are constantly on red alert eventually you get a Adrenaline situation whoops exactly I still look at I think that that is something that is very valid and should be discussed more Big picture, but at the same time I still think what I when I look at Trump and his behavior I think it's important But at the same time the function of it really doesn't change the status quo with North Korea
Starting point is 01:04:24 It just makes everyone more scared. That is a really good point, and I think it's valid and I retract my position Yes First retraction of 2018 I'm gonna start keeping track you you've extracted many from me over the years and I've only got a few from you I think if we're gonna keep the running tally that's cuz I'm more reasonable than you that's true Your positions are often half-cocked. I am I love the passion I am very much I am very much the guy that I am afraid of who might accidentally pressure the button press the button
Starting point is 01:04:56 Well, it's tough It's I mean I think it's probably tough for us to sit here and have the like you you stake a position And I'm like well hold on when I spend like literally almost all of my time reading these these like I hate to keep going back to the club of Rome But like these documents of like what you what you see when you read these documents are Issues there's an issue. There's a problem, and then it's a hundred pages of what could happen and then let's analyze that Yes, and so it's all like sort of it's this gamesmanship in in rhetoric right through the through the text of like of If this then what and it gets me in that brain space
Starting point is 01:05:36 I don't know why I need to say this But I feel like I do which is that if I were in a position of actually making a decision with real-world effects I would be far more likely to You know do what you do. Let's run for president You're just you're just more willing to think about these things reasonably in a low stakes environment Let's run for whereas it in my situation with such low stakes. I'm like fucking let's say random-ass bullshit, you know I got a little wine in me. Let's run for office. Let's do it. You can be president I'll be chief of staff. I feel like yeah, I feel like I would probably be a much better front man
Starting point is 01:06:11 And I would just let you make all the decisions. Yeah, I'll be your creepy chief of staff Absolutely, you're the bandit of this situation. I'm trying to be less sloppy All right, so you have one more clip of this rant and then we'll get to what happens throughout the rest of right after it But this rant takes us out to a commercial break and it's mostly about demons So he just runs around and you know, and I knew he was such a charlatan according to his own words basically Mr. Wolfie That mr. Wolf in journalist clothing as they're saying I guess oh Bannon certainly he's gonna say he's been misquoted and this was Hyperbole or or or he was juxtapositioning or he was devil's advocating is you know
Starting point is 01:06:53 I wore game things here on air and the media takes out a context even though 20 seconds before I said I don't really believe this but this is how they basically see it and that's how they see that's what they do They're of their father the devil a Spirit they worship They don't want you to know That it's all real and they are literal on their belly snakes now I See the snakes in the grass we will stand against them. I'm gonna compose myself
Starting point is 01:07:22 We'll be right back on the other side as we expose these wolves these beats Go about roaring see who they made a vow on a state with me So that's a triumphant exit to break. Yes Where you at where you out on that rant? That's what went viral. That's that's sort of the what everyone's talking about I'm gonna go with that's lame for us. It's interesting that I think our conversation of the ramifications of a lot of this stuff is much different Then what the yeah, what the rest of the world? I think we I think we spiraled off on about 13 different tangents because to us This is kind of run of the mill shit, right? Well him freaking out and stuff like that. No, it's fun
Starting point is 01:08:04 I can see why people would see this as like a fun kind of thing to glom on to yeah Mainly because now I have the question If they are literal on their belly snakes, right? Stelter do they have fake arms and legs? Yes. Okay. Yes, who makes them? Because that's the guy we need to talk to be so s that's All goes back to Absolutely that I actually Find that to be the most reasonable thing that has been said so far tonight
Starting point is 01:08:40 Amazon will one day make us all fake arms as we are literal Belly-dwelling snakes. Oh what a bunch of horseshit Yeah, I know it's it's weird to me I always get kind of surprised by what captures people's attention in terms of Alex cuz like I mean we go back to this over and over again But like last year on the the March 30th episode where he told Adam Schiff He's gonna kick his ass. Yeah, and then the rest of the episode is like complete drunk nonsense Right, it's interesting to me that people glom on to that. I'm gonna kick your ass you pussy
Starting point is 01:09:11 Right as opposed to as opposed to Alex Jones was drunk for three hours. I'm not on air I'm not racist. I love Mexican food, right and Mexican women are very hot There are four ways to learn right It's I mean like it's interesting to me and I get on one level why people like shared this like crazy It's like, right, isn't it funny that he calls Brian Stelter a demon. Yeah, yeah Pretty pretty standard. Yeah, pretty pretty run of the mill. Yeah, we've seen him call a lot of folks demons in the past And also, it's I mean it's important I think I genuinely believe that it's important because that to point out these things about
Starting point is 01:09:51 The anti-semitic rhetoric that he's spouting right and how all his complaints on this rant that went viral Were about appearance or they were triggered by appearance that to me is not that is not Necessarily something I'm seeing being covered and that kind of bothers me because I think anybody with a grasp of Alex's history What's important to him and I what you're saying what you said earlier about him criticizing everyone's appearance is totally valid But it's not he's saying that they're ugly. I'm I'm not I Want to clarify that in specific? I don't see an issue with your analysis And I am not trying to defend him as a he's an equal opportunity kind of hater My point just being kind of is that I mean
Starting point is 01:10:38 That's fair. I Don't know. I definitely think that there is absolutely some anti-semitic leanings behind of it behind it Mm-hmm. I just wouldn't jump that far this particular time. Yeah, it's simply my point I don't know. I mean, I think as we as we look at stuff like this Although maybe that's a preemptive defense because whenever I looked at their pictures, they're both bald, which I think is Jewish Yeah, I don't know man. Rich. I wish I hadn't said that Oh So in this next clip Alex comes back from commercial break and he has a very very weird take on sort of the Iran protests
Starting point is 01:11:17 Yes, this has a lot to do with liberals hating you, but then he gets into that and I think that there's immediately very self-conscious I really wish I hadn't said that I think you're fine. You're fine. It was not a god. I you're fine People like Hillary Clinton Like to hurt people Fake journalist this wolf in the hen house Michael Wolf People like him Enjoy the climate of fake news media corporate media and the open season on the truth open season on the president Open season on loyal decent hard-working honorable folks
Starting point is 01:11:57 Doc season Open season because the trash knows it's being taken out And so the trash is fighting for its political cultural and spiritual life and its life is culturally ruling us Leftist globalism allied with Islam Yeah, it's about time as Paul Watson's report on info wars calm breaks it down Is Allied with radical Islam and is saying it isn't feminist to take your hijab off and the women standing up getting shot and killed in Iran and places like Tehran. They're not good
Starting point is 01:12:36 And Iran and the moolas are good Paul Watson lays it out news articles videos progressive left. There's the title progressive left Embraces the hijab While actual feminists in Iran remove it to fight oppression and in some cases get tortured and killed and shot But it's hundreds dead now But that's okay cuz see make it a woman wear a hood over her head or cutting their genitals off as liberal Because that's what liberals want if they can't cut your womb out and they can't butcher your baby in the womb They're gonna try to brain damage it with all their vaccines their fluoride and all the garbage. They admit that's their plan
Starting point is 01:13:17 That sounds right. That's poisoning the well narratives. That sounds right. That's all anti-semitic shit, too If we can't cut out wombs, what are we doing? That's just anti-semitic shit there, too, man That's like the poisoning the food poisoning the water the vaccines are tainted. That's all poisoning the well shit coming for your women Becomes so boring, but also this this is such a massive misunderstanding of people's positions and that is that if you want like the liberals people on the left What he's talking about is like Linda sarsour and those type of folks Their argument is if you want to wear a hijab a job you can I will slipped into Alex's dumb pronunciation No kidding. It's not it's not anti-feminist to wear a hijab. It's not it's anti-feminist to be forced to wear a hijab
Starting point is 01:14:04 Or to be forced not to Those two things are the they're the polar sides of the problem I think our issue being able to choose our issue isn't with the hijab and it's more with the force I grew I grew up with a Muslim family in my neighborhood And I went to school with a number of Muslim children and my dad is a religious studies professor And so we were well plugged into communities I knew tons of Muslim people growing up and largely with girls that I knew who were Muslims It was a choice for them. Yeah, and that most of them chose to now whether or not that's social pressure or not
Starting point is 01:14:43 I'm not entirely sure, but it's in no way my place to say you're making the wrong Exactly, and I just which is the issue I have with K back because they just passed the hijab ban in public spaces That's just but recently that's crazy. It's crazy, right? Right, and I think it is as as awful as a Majority Muslim country passing a if you don't wear a hijab You're above above and that whole thing and to play this game, too Like if Alex really wants to be consistent on all this stuff He would really have to take issue with the Amish the Mennonites, right? The all the Anabaptists well, they're allowed to wear colors now, so that's fine
Starting point is 01:15:23 Well women wear like hoods essentially they wear bonnets, right and so like that or the Jewish people wearing Yamakas It's not like that. It's like I can't I have to recuse myself I have a whole bit about this well, but you know what I'm saying like all that stuff sort of it There's a trickle down to it that he's not taking into account when when my family was in a cult All of the women were forced to dress the same they aren't allowed to like it is it is certainly It's always hidden behind modesty, but right time. It's control of the feminine or whatever Well, if you want to go and even if you want to go into that type of narrative that we talked about with The one dumb lady from Alaska who's like he's taking our he's taking women all the way away from that color from the last
Starting point is 01:16:08 Like that is that is such a consistent thing whenever you talk about other types of Women controlling narratives is we have to protect them and by doing so we remove any and all of their freedoms We're afraid of their sexuality exactly I mean as much as we talk about how much of his stupid shit goes back to anti-Semitic canards This goes back to the first book of the Bible That's a good point. You know it just it goes back to that You let a woman make a decision for herself and the whole world is fucked That's that whole fundamentalist tradition of of Eve's fall
Starting point is 01:16:43 You know like that sort of thing like Adam would have been fine if it wasn't for Eve, right? That's where this controlling of women in religions historically Roots from and it's fucking nonsense Which is which is even more fascinating because if you do go back to that type of roots of religion thing It did not become so male-dominated until it became popular totally like the the We're all women. Yeah, like women were the gatekeepers like if you talk about Greek culture women were the most spiritual leaders and then we get into monotheism and Who would have guessed men use it to control everybody like that's kind of the situation there
Starting point is 01:17:25 It's it's almost as if like religion isn't bad But the centralization and control of it as a political and social force Something about that rings true. Anyway What I was trying to get to and I don't know you know more about the Iran protests than I do, but I've not seen anybody on Twitter or Writing op-eds being like these fucking women taken off their hijabs are way out of line Right of the mullahs, right? I've not seen that perspective at all All he's trying to do is score points off his already established
Starting point is 01:18:00 Linda Sarsour wants you to put on a hijab for feminism and then being like look they don't support these people in Iran I think most people's perspective on the protests in Iran is it's pretty complicated stuff. It is it is I Don't know. It's one of those things that is very similar. I would liken the the protests in Iran to Voting for Roy Moore So so as far as that goes, you are this yeah So when you when you talk about that type of situation once again in Alabama because of its fundamentalist
Starting point is 01:18:39 Racist and religious roots you wind up having 60% of white women voting for a guy who is Clearly against any and all rights for white women and like the same sort of statistical track for evangelicals Right, and then you look at Iran and you see the counter protests that were run by Very pro-government sources who you know supported and put that together and you have that same kind of Older women kind of situation where it's like you have to do this because that is the tradition even though they are the ones who have been most subjugated by it and You find out anytime there is a protest of the poor and the young Everybody gets fucked like that's that's the situation that is going on in Iran right now
Starting point is 01:19:30 it is the poor and it is the young and they are fighting back and they are going to get destroyed because they simply aren't allowed to Associate in the way that they should be right now in so many Universities in Iran in Tehran and in many of the different cities you find preemptive arrests going on right which are Well, it's much like what we've seen in Turkey already, right you you destroy or the cultural revolution in In China right you destroy any kind of ability for Educated youthful people who are also the most unemployed right in Iran You would destroy any ability for them to gather and then you can centralize power between people who use
Starting point is 01:20:15 tradition and Just overwhelming force to defeat them and that's the situation and I ran it is it is the protest As I wrote it is the protest that all of us should be having that we are all incapable of having It's less it has less to do with liberals wanting to No, it has nothing to do with women having their wombs removed No, or liberals being in favor of that or liberals I think that most liberal folk that I know do support in as much as they can the Protests that are going on. I don't think that there's any real legitimate way for us to support it
Starting point is 01:20:55 It's inexplicable that Nikki Haley would try and draw a UN conference To support protests that would Abjectly destroy her life if they were to happen here, right? But it's because they're in a state that we are opposed to exactly. It's it's profitable, right? It's almost like the inverse of the the Arab Spring to some extent, right? It's really interesting to see Alex be very pro this time and very anti about other states Where similar things like this have happened Egypt and Saudi Arabia are our Quote allies. Yeah, and Iran is our quote enemy and that's where you get into trouble
Starting point is 01:21:38 Well, that's where this whole world view is stupid. It's their people. It is stupid They're people who have grievances, but that's that's the ultimate failure of nationalism totally Nationalism suggests that the leaders of a country are the country. Yeah, when in reality Most Americans are not Trump like and yet by Trump. I know what who is I do know What you talk about him a lot. I know like 37% of the population who is yeah, like it's that kind of situation. Yeah I think we're gonna start to understand that dynamic a lot more as time goes on nations are a failure of humanity Anyways, let's keep going
Starting point is 01:22:20 That's an interesting idea and I kind of agree But be that as it may I think I think the best case scenario and the best like look for the world is Collectivism quite frankly. We just like you're a globalist. I am I think I think we are too I think so. I mean not it. I don't want to poison the water, but it is the idea the idea So I was reading HG Wells. I mean I mean put it this way our We we specifically describe people who support this show as Policy wonks foreign policy wonks and globalists like that is a little tongue-in-cheek That is tongue-in-cheek and yet at the same time
Starting point is 01:22:58 So Alex has got a lot of ideas on this episode. He's got a lot of a lot of bullshit Like I told you he had sort of vaguely turned against Bannon But also was couching it before about this idea that this guy is a liar. Yes in this next clip We find on this Friday. He is he's he's turned He just sits there goes. Oh, I love Trump and then sits back and watches his attempt to blow up the White House politically He lights the fuse walks off the safe distance He goes is it snowing outside? No, it's dandruff Catch up stains down the front of him
Starting point is 01:23:37 I'm the Liberty Movement. I came with money and took over Breitbart after he died. I'm the kingpin I'm the God on the Liberty Movement. Meanwhile, he's behind the scenes leaking everything the New York Times, Washington Post by leaking BS Couple quick things Alex Jones. Here's a direct quote from him info wars powers the Trump movement So that's a little fun secondarily Alex don't fucking pretend that Bannon wasn't leaking to you. Yeah, don't fucking pretend He wasn't leaking to Roger Stone. Yeah, exactly
Starting point is 01:24:09 If he wasn't leaking directly to you He was leaking to you through Roger Stone all of the narratives that Alex was pitching about how like Kushner is a globalist and all this stuff That's directly stuff that obviously had its genesis with Bannon. Yeah, they're their feud in the White House Of course was was driving was the driving force behind that and the whole time that Alex was pitching this narrative that Reintz Prebis was the global was the The leaker was almost certainly Steve Bannon saying that yeah, like cuz those two also had a bit of a feud a lot of feuds There's a lot of palace intrigue not very well
Starting point is 01:24:47 Coordinated right so he can he should not be playing I mean his audience doesn't fucking know take the time to think about these things But obviously most of his narratives came from Bannon I mean what's what's interesting to me is I don't think his audience actually gives a shit about the palace intrigue either No, I think they do. Do you think so? I think so from a keep doing this. Oh, I don't know I Think that they're fooled into thinking that there is some Credibility to it because I think I think the way that Alex sells it is that the palace intrigue isn't just dicks being dicks Right, which is what it is. Okay
Starting point is 01:25:22 I think that the way he sells it to his audience and the way that they ingest it is There is a team of globalists and then there's a team of Trump people Yes, and they're doing war. And so this palace intrigue isn't just You know the like the idea of your elites having petty squabbles It's actually one team who is trying to save the world. It's the deep state versus the brah-ba-ba-ba-ba So he's been able to recontextualize and rebrand Palace intrigue into a way that his audience does like which I think that's probably most accurate which is winners versus losers They're all losers, but I think in his in his the way that you make an Alex Jones audience interested in this dumb
Starting point is 01:26:04 palace intrigue stuff is These are the good guys who are winning just like we are all winning, right? There's a counter counter revolution. I think it's I think it's less winners and losers and more a misappropriation of stakes but isn't that isn't that ultimately his his idea of What his audience is interested in they want to see people win they want to see the winners white people That's a good point Yeah, possibly, but I think at the same time he's already spent so much time couching like they might they might take him out They might we might lose right like that sort of thing
Starting point is 01:26:43 So I don't know it's an it's always we're winning. We're the winners. We're winning all the time They're still coming after us and we're losing on all fronts, but we're winning where the winners We're always winning, but we're on the edge of losing at all times And what does that tell you that I think that tells you that the fight is really more important to the narrative than the winning Or losing right the presentation of winning and losing he can sell either to move product Yes, and to keep people engaged true, but without squabble without fight There is no way he can keep his machine moving. Yeah, so it's perpetual war on a political scale But like tomorrow he could come out and he could do a show where he's like
Starting point is 01:27:24 We are fucking losing and he could use that right he could use that to his advantage He couldn't use all as well. Everybody is everything's operating well Like Trump is doing all the right things and people seem to be enjoying it. That's true There's no way he could use that right he needs the false boogeyman the the antagonist that is Imagined in order to fuel his rhetoric which then we go back to his art his comment about the media needs Trump Right like there isn't I do think there's an arguable position to support him in that analysis Well only about himself
Starting point is 01:28:01 If fair enough media fair enough fair enough because I don't think that the media needs somebody to fight again I mean, I remember when I was younger watching like McNeil Lair our and it was boring as hell But at the same time it was informative and it was the news But that's where your position goes back to the very beginning, which is the news shouldn't care about ratings, right? Just like Alex needs to move product. So does the news need to move Advertising dollars. Well, and that's another I mean, that's a much bigger conversation But I think we probably let's get into it now and solve it I mean, let's not but I'm I'll make my position totally clear. Let's get rid of these fucking networks
Starting point is 01:28:42 No pointing them fuck you Rupert Monorak. Yeah murder anyway. Anyway, he has worse things to say about bad, right? And running around we now know the FBI fawning and agreeing with the Russia investigation You know hope to I Guess sabotage the White House And have his cake and eat it too. You see the sociopaths and psychopaths and Or weak people that have been abused themselves and they go out and do it to others these like they're they're owed something I thought a lot of times that's really what it is. I think Bannon's kind of one of those he wants to show everybody
Starting point is 01:29:18 He's the big man. He's the tough guy. He's the leader. He's in control and he's got a overthrow Everybody around him so he can feel like he's big. He's number one with that That's not the case with Wolfie and Skelter and Clinton They know exactly what they're doing and they hate everybody around them great So like dude that like you're yelling projection is totally the case there like he's he's projecting his psychology into another person even to the point of like I Don't want to I don't want to fucking break the Goldwater rule I don't want to come down on Alex because I think he probably has some abuse in his history
Starting point is 01:30:06 Like I don't feel like that's good to to mock or anything like that But even by his own words like the idea that whether or not she actually did he felt like his mom said he couldn't get Love after the age of five or six like that although we may we may have information that says she did not do that Probably not but that doesn't that doesn't change that that's how he felt and that doesn't change that it's emotionally real to him Right and like so true true. You're right about that the fact that 35 years later He's on the radio crying talking about that that means that it's something real to him in in some form or another Yes, and to me that indicates that there I mean he did not have a great childhood something went wrong, but I'm not making fun of him for that, but I am saying that
Starting point is 01:30:55 Look at what he's saying about Steve Bannon. He's like, you know, maybe he's just one of these guys who was abused and all this like Pushing that off his weird and then after that describing himself. Yes, that's troubling Immediately describing himself. Yeah. Yeah, like want to take down everyone around them to feel like the big man It's like you've created a fake worldview to fight against. Yeah Well, not just that but look at the people that he has surrounded himself. Sure All of the people that he's gone all the people that well not currently but everyone goes All the people that he has around himself currently are clearly people he can bully
Starting point is 01:31:36 He can prove himself to be superior than imagine imagine Well imagine if he hired somebody as competent as him they would be fired immediately it'd be impossible man There's no one as competent as him. All right. All right No, I get what you mean. I don't mean I don't mean competent because competent is too strong word, right? I don't know. I it bums me out. It bums me out because like the perspective that we have on him and The way he presents himself or so like He's so inconsistent with himself. It just makes me sad. Yeah, it makes me bummed out. It's it's an interesting thing to have I
Starting point is 01:32:22 Don't know if you're capable of empathy you often wind up being capable of empathy with Not to use his language but with the devil or or that kind of a thing sympathy for the devil that that kind of How many how many times have you read the? The childhood of a serial killer and been like oh, man, that must have been horrific totally You have empathy for them at the same time. They need to be taken down, right? You know, right your behavior Exceeds the empathy we have for you based on your circumstances. Yes, and I think Alex is way past that He hasn't killed anybody or anything
Starting point is 01:33:05 Knock not a person for knock anyway in this next clip out the only the only hero and Alex Jones's story is missing In this next one hashtag RAP knock Alex Jones makes an assertion about the globalist I hadn't said that either and so they want to ruin and wreck Civilization and they are committed to doing it and they are committed to hurting you and your family Poisoning your food and water watching your children be brain damaged while they strut around and watch and gloat and laugh None of these top leftist take vaccines. They all none of them. None of them eat GMO None of them are into aspartame. It's for the president to drink and die And it's for us to drink and die or your mother to drink and die while they all just sit back and laugh as they literally
Starting point is 01:33:50 Have that they always go we're falling and we're scum But when they walk around the shopping mall, they go at least I'm hurting these people and how can I hurt somebody right now? So so so hold on hold on they still go to malls sometimes Sometimes Hillary will just go around to a shopping mall and just be like well at least I'm hurting these people I didn't I didn't win the presidency, but at least I'm hurting these people interior shopping mall November night Bill and Hillary enter Walk past a Wetzel's pretzels very depressed very depressed very sad many people coming up to them giving them
Starting point is 01:34:32 Accolades wishing them well and their next thought is well Bill dialogue Now Hillary do you want a pretzel with cheese dipping to make you feel better? Hillary dialogue No, I don't I don't feel worthy of a pretzel right now. I I lost an election to Donald Trump Bill now hold on look around you Look to the left
Starting point is 01:34:59 Look to the right. You just saw two people that you Keep your chin up Hillary. You're hurting these people and that's what matters. I lost the impression But improv improv rough Dan when you are writing scripts. You are gold my friend. You are gold Ridiculous Fucking idea is just is crazy that like I'll take solace in the fact that I'm hurting these people. All right. Well keep a chin up what Also, like statistically that's not the case about people on the left taking vaccines No, the largest percentage of people who don't take vaccines are on the right there that is you know, you find that within
Starting point is 01:35:41 people who have especially tea party-ish beliefs Much stronger distrust of vaccines. Yep The the more you know about vaccines the less likely you are to not take them on the same and I Don't know if that's necessarily true. I find a lot of people on the left are also the people who are very distrustful of vaccines of GMOs like that type of situation. I think that's well GMO is a different thing then Well, they're two completely different conversations, but do you know what is the same as vaccines? What's that for a team totally?
Starting point is 01:36:17 Same thing. Well, you know, it is the same through all of them though. They're all poisoning the well narratives Yes, it's all boring anti-semitism repackaged. I really thought you were almost at Fuck Larry Nichols. No, no, but also fuck Larry. Yes So at this point Alex in that last clip went off to commercial and he comes back and he's back on the stelter Shit a little bit helter stelter helter stelter He makes this this claim that is crazy. All right, this is so unsupported by anything I just I love I'm excited for this clip. This guy is a known charlatan It's simply insane just like his son Brian Stelter
Starting point is 01:37:05 Saying a spiritual son because if you find the two smiling photos They're trying to keep all those photos off the internet seriously like photos of Hillary smiling They were moving because he looks like a great white shark once about to attack and and breach the surface So so if I understand correctly both wolf. Yes, and stelter. Yes are attempting Individually because you do not have proof that they are related to each other spiritually. They are you completely miss the point No, I think my point is Why are they trying to keep pictures of themselves on the internet? You are miss you're missing pronoun reference Okay, it is about the two of them pictures of them being trying to kept off the internet, but it's they who are doing it
Starting point is 01:37:45 It's the globalist. Oh That are trying to keep I thought I thought it was both stelter and wolf who are like constantly on Google like get that off There get that off there also do a Google in the church. You'll find plenty of pictures So many pictures it's complete horse shit, but I love that idea because he can say stuff And it just be like a toss aside or whatever, but even in that case he's like seriously Seriously, I know that they're trying to keep pictures of them smiling off the internet Because it shows how evil they are seems like a lot more work than is necessary. Mm-hmm. Why?
Starting point is 01:38:22 How would you try and keep pictures of yourself off the internet? You wouldn't know don't they both have facebook pages where they constantly update themselves with pictures Yeah, and alex in the past has said that he's tried to get a picture of himself There's a picture of him that he took for a magazine where he's like screaming at the at the camera Right, I wish I had a clip of this just to have receipts and everything But it seemed so unimportant to me when I was listening to episodes from like 2014 That I didn't capture a clip of it, but he's just like no, I wish I wish I could get rid of that picture Yeah, they told me it was going to be in the front. It was on the back page. Ah, okay. That's your problem weird
Starting point is 01:39:00 Um, so also stelter is your problem. Yeah, that's that's crazy That's very strange But I think it's just because he has to deflect somehow because he can't substantively talk about them the wolf issue And he right like I said in that last Couple clips back also great name for our new show the wolf issue the wolf issue. Yeah Um, I even he shot on banon in that last couple clips back or whatever But he's still not fully committed to being able to talk about like why he's not ready to get into like the meat of Have we been betrayed by one of the biggest influences of the last by the fucking campaign manager and
Starting point is 01:39:38 what Trump whisperer for the first year or for the first eight months of uh, Trump's campaign well and or Trump's office or Trump's Better presidency. Well, but then also, I mean who were the campaign managers. There was manifort indicted Going to jail roger stone. Alex jones' buddy probably going to jail and then uh banon theory Was luandowski a manager of the campaign or was he just like uh, he's just a weird dude. Okay I thought he might have uh risen to that height. He was he was in there. Yeah He also apparently sexually assaulted joy via Did he the woman who wore a make america great again dressed to the uh, the grammy's
Starting point is 01:40:18 We made a big scene out of it and then she was a frequent guest on alex jones' show talking about how bringing trump into the musical world Is going to be huge and luandowski sexually assaulted her. Yeah recently like at a party. I think I don't think it was a new year's eve party I can't remember what it was, but she was at uh, some big trump party and luandowski slapped her ass and then was like, uh, She she was like what and then uh, he slapped her ass again and apparently she's suing him Uh, but also for her. Yeah great for her. Yeah, alex isn't talking about this Not good for her that she was sexually assaulted, but good for her that she felt I mean because fuck it Uh, as we just saw recently one of the roi moorock users Her house was burned down and it is too early to speculate and say that it was by a roi moor supporter
Starting point is 01:41:08 but I mean otherwise otherwise it's a wild coincidence. Anyway, just so I have some validation here This is from politico Joy via who drew headlines for a make america great again dressed at the grammy's earlier this year was celebrating the president's first year in office at a holiday party at the trump international hotel in washington in late november when luandowski slapped her behind After she objected he dismissed her concerns and slapped her behind again via said in an interview friday Via 31 said she was circulating in the ballroom of the invite only party with a friend Who brought her over to introduce her to luandowski whom she had never met
Starting point is 01:41:42 Her first impression she said was that he seemed dismissive of her and he rolled His eyes when he thought she wanted to pose for a photo with him I said if you're busy, don't worry about it. We don't have to take a photo via recalling luand telling luandowski Who remains close with the president and attended a contentious oval office meeting on political strategy earlier this week But via said another reveler pushed her toward him and she ended up standing next to him posing for a photo Despite his seeming lack of interest I'm wearing a silver suit and stretchy pants and after the photo he smacks my ass really hard via said It was completely demeaning and shocking in the moment via said she confronted him. I said watch it half joking
Starting point is 01:42:20 I said I can report you for sexual harassment luandowski's response. She said was almost as shocking as the original slap He said go ahead. I work in the private sector via recalled Then he smacks my ass again Via's recollection of the incident was corroborated by a friend who witnessed the exchange The friend said he wished to remain anonymous in part of lu in part because of luandowski's continued influence in trump circles Of course So alex won't talk about that. He's willing to have her on when she's a propaganda tool Wearing a maga dress, but he's not willing to treat her like a human. Hey, maybe maga people
Starting point is 01:42:53 Oh Take that to heart and also this you are valuable right up until the point where you are not and you will be Whatever it is they feel like and this also calls into like memory of luandowski's assault On that reporter lady. Yep back. I think it was during the campaign if I recall correctly I can't remember the timeline of that exactly but if you watch the video of that he absolutely grabs her and It's pretty bad. It is it's hard to imagine anybody in the trump Circle not being A monster. I I mean
Starting point is 01:43:27 It's tough in in many different ways like even Look, that's why that's why none of this is humanizing for bannon. I get Pence probably hasn't sexually harassed outside of his marriage But he's a monster unless unless you use alex jones his own logic about jim comey. Oh, that's a good point You know these guys who are uptight. They're the ones. They're the ones you got to worry about Yeah, if that's the case then mike pence is the he's fair enough. He's american psycho fair Mike pence does seem to have all the all of the uh, like, uh, Dennis has dirt signals. You know what i'm saying?
Starting point is 01:44:03 Like he's got all of those characteristics. I'm not saying he's ever done anything I'm definitely not accusing him out of anything. I'm just saying that the parallels between the way his positions have been laid forth Very hysterical. I feel like he's more like that. Uh, uh, foley I remember mick foley. Yes. David foley got thrown off the the hell in a cell No, uh, that uh, who is that congressman foley dave foley. No the guy with the wide stance at the uh, He was trying to surf for sex at a public bathroom. Oh, oh, yeah. I know what you're talking about. I can't remember his first name
Starting point is 01:44:39 Yeah, I can't remember his first name at all. It's more like that. That's the vibe. I get more from him not abusing people They like just sometimes pressed with a secret. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying he's gay necessarily but a secret Some sort of secret got something there. Yeah I don't know. I okay not fully human and experience full on full on conspiracy theory I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go out on a full on limb here. Great Stone is working with the fbi. I mean, I don't think that's that crazy to think at this point. I don't think it's that correct I mean stone two months two months ago. We had that clip of him telling alex straight up Trump is fucking with you. Yeah, like stone seems like the guy who if I was the fbi
Starting point is 01:45:20 I would lean on stone and soon we'd be like, oh shit. Yeah, I'm gonna toss everybody over. I'm stone. I don't give a fuck He's had a life of Uh, self-preservation. Yes to to an extent that he's been able to navigate being Intimately involved with any number of scandalous impeached president. Yeah disgraced President a lot of campaigns that did not work out and he's still able to survive and have some sort of stock Yes, uh, and I don't think you do that necessarily by playing clean
Starting point is 01:45:56 Right and a great stone is stone is much like survivor in that or stone is much like Beyonce in that he is a survivor He ain't gonna give up and he has a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back. Sure. Beyonce got that Nixon tat Um, I look I don't obviously I don't think That I'm I'm I'm gonna co-sign your conspiracy theory But if it does come out that he snitched or something like that would not surprise me at all right in line Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all especially because of like He's the only person who in the info wars milieu who gets it Yeah, like in terms of like with this bannon stuff with this wolf stuff. He's the only person who's been on the show who's been like
Starting point is 01:46:37 guys Like you could almost see him being on video being like Please stop. Yeah, please. Don't do this. Don't do this. This is unraveling Right. This is how you unravel is by giving credibility to this kind of a story You don't have to attack this if he knows because he has decades of Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's been doing the whole thing. Yeah Is there he's smarter than everyone else is there genuinely? Is there a genuine possibility that stone is the smartest person that has been around trump so far?
Starting point is 01:47:10 He's the smartest person who's on info wars. I think for sure. Well, yeah, but that's that's not a that's not a high bar to cross Now the only problem though, too, is that he has such a like a hair trigger Uh rage. He has such an anger about him, which is not what a smart person would have true That's true. But at the same time like freaking out and calling women like cunts on twitter and stuff like that doesn't have the political ramifications of believing a creative non-fiction writer Inexplicably, it doesn't have the same connotations. Well, like historically, I mean think about this think about this like historically Over the last year or so It's been pretty clear that bannon and roger stone aren't working in parallel
Starting point is 01:47:53 Right. There there have been a number of times where roger stone has attacked Bannon for various things and the two of them don't see eye to eye on stuff Yes Immediately after this story came out when roger was being interviewed on info wars. His take on it was I know michael wolf. Uh, this is nonsense and then beyond that like look I mean You know bannon goes around wearing too many button-up shirts at the same time and that's fucking stupid But look, we we are co-workers. We're colleagues. Yeah, we're not like i'm going to attack
Starting point is 01:48:26 The enemies i'm not going to attack our allies and that is That's telling to me right because he knows that this could uncover something Yeah, and the only way it's gonna uncover anything is if the people ranks exactly The people in the alex jones propaganda world the people in trump's Uh Inner circle save yourself kind of mentality world parts. Yes The only way things are going to get bad is if they all start freaking out and he's trying to keep it together I think and alex can't I don't think he can get it. I think that he's going to he's going to lose it
Starting point is 01:49:01 I don't think stone is a mastermind by any stretch. I think stone has this isn't mastermind strategy. No, no, no I think I think stone just knows How to hitch his wagon and when to unhitch his wagon. Yeah And when like he knows how to turn a wagon. Yeah, like it's just very basic stuff, right very basic, right? Um, anyway in his next clip Weird tangent, but let's get on uh alex jones compares uh, donald trump to a historical figure in a very interesting way And trump will be known as a titan of liberty Someone that delivered someone that was honorable and you all try to write the annals that he wasn't
Starting point is 01:49:46 But just like the british history books said william wallis was this and that and a thief and a piece of garbage and a coward Everybody knows in history now. He wasn't a coward. He was an honorable man because Everybody intrinsically knows everything you say is a pile of garbage You are the lie So you want to talk about william wallis a little bit? Well before I do I'd like to say that, uh Pretty much nothing historically is known about william wallis except for around 12 97 to 12 98 Uh, that's pretty much the only period that's known about him everything else Comes from an epic poem called the acts and deeds of sir william wallis knights of air to sea arrow to sea
Starting point is 01:50:29 Written around 1470 by blind harry the minstrel harry wrote from oral tradition Blind harry the minstrel amazing instrument information about him could see perfectly Could not play the liar interesting interesting really it was like a blind harry fake news Fake news name. It's like a really tall guy being named tidy. Anyway, he came up with this this acts and deeds of sir william wallis 170 years after william wallis lived And uh, you know historians think that it's a very unauthoritative Take on william wallis Everybody knows that beowulf was
Starting point is 01:51:06 Lying in most of the poem is clearly at variance with known historical facts and records of the period and is either fabricated using traditional chivalric Motifs or borrowed from exploits of others and attributed to william wallis, right? The only things that we know about william wallis are a couple of battles. He was a British noble He's a scottish dude who was a fucking he was angry. Yeah, he was angry. There was unrest At the time and they're the only thing the british were imposing a bunch of taxes that he didn't like On scotland and so he assassinated a dude right and
Starting point is 01:51:42 In the telling of blind harry and then the movie With the great great not anti-semitic mel Gibson hold on Reign it in okay In that movie the the story is told as this This guy was trying to kill his wife and he saved his wife or it was in response to that in some way And there's no historical record that backs that up. Not at all. It was probably just about taxation Right, which actually triggers alex even more than a wife
Starting point is 01:52:12 certainly Uh, and then the other thing is the battle of falcork where as far as I understand the only thing that william wallis is Actually known to have done Is fight on a battle he's fight on a bridge while everybody's running away He lost a battle the battle of falcork where he was very overly confident and the british fucking destroyed him And uh, granted he escaped and uh was brutally murdered Brutally, he wasn't good the execution that they gave him. I mean there is historical record of that and that is like That's nuts and the idea he was drawn and quartered if I remember clearly
Starting point is 01:52:50 Even more than that. I mean that's not even the extent of it. They hung him But not to kill him They hung him and then cut him down when he was about to go unconscious and then disemboweled him Right, there's and they put his head on a spike. Yeah, but that was standard for the time No, it's excessive the the levels to like they kept almost killing him and then being like now We're gonna kill you again. It's weird to know that how massive torture. It's weird how to know how good people used to be at that They were great. Yeah, they were really good at that not good at doctors diseases But god damn it if they couldn't kill a guy well by like
Starting point is 01:53:27 I mean you could assume that they could have fucked it up and accidentally killed him early in the torture that they were trying to do And they kind of and they got lucky and he didn't die well before they had finished torturing Well, now that said it's entirely possible that he died after they hung him and they just kept doing it like at the time They would often dig people up and put them on trial again It's my understanding that he was alive Afterwards like as he was being disemboweled. Yeah, but be that as it may That's sort of uh, I think there's only one way to know for sure time time machine Now we need to disembowel a guy and see if he can survive that. I gotta hang him first
Starting point is 01:54:04 This like to me. I nominate stone. This is the important piece. Um That sort of uh, uh capital punishment was excessive even for the time Yeah, and the fact that they would give that to someone Means that this was not just a normal person who had failed in a battle or something like that It was someone who what the british fucking hated and they hated him for some reason But unfortunately the historical records that we have don't tell exactly what that was And there's no real reason to think he was a super honorable person No, most of the accounts that come from that time or he's like he's a brutal fucking dude like he would
Starting point is 01:54:46 He would behave in ways like the british that killed him and that might actually explain why they did that to him I'm not entirely sure but the the alex saying that like history is born out that he was an honorable person or blah blah blah Not sure there's literally no way for him to know that right every movie Right, it's a movie or if you want to give alex a little more credibility Which you shouldn't oral tradition from this guy who is the jonathan will or i'm sorry michael wolf of his time It's the it's nice parallel nicely done way to slam dunk that Blind harry is the fake news of his time. Yeah, so that's right because he could see and alex jones How else could he write it down alex? I got news for you, baby
Starting point is 01:55:30 We don't need history to determine how bad to do trump is that's happening concurrently Yes, and everyone has already known that for a while. Anyway at this next clip alex jones tries to make a metaphor and fails losers trash Filth i mean i i just cannot express to you enough that We have to really not hate these people but Like you don't hate a rotting dead literal demons carcass of a hog
Starting point is 01:55:57 Or a horse or a or a or a deer Over on the side of the highway But you you don't want to run up to it and wallow in it and kiss it and marry it or you know take it home and put it In the bed with you You don't take a dead rotting horse with thousands of magnets on it and you know stick it in your bed You know and curl up to it at night and love it and celebrate it. You just stay away from it okay And but see we can't stay away because these people run our lives because they crave it
Starting point is 01:56:24 So that's where the metaphor falls. I mean it was it was bad from the jump but The metaphor is that the globalists are a dead carcass by the side of the road and they crave You grabbing them and taking them to bed to bed with you. I guess so his advice I guess is that you shouldn't take a carcass to bed Global fine. I don't think anyone kisses Carcasses I know that's metaphorical, but I guess what he's saying is don't I guess what he's saying is don't fuck a globalist
Starting point is 01:56:54 But if that's the case, I think what he's saying is he fucked a dead deer one time simple enough not to fuck a globalist. I guess I don't know it's it It's these sorts of metaphors that leave way more questions than answers Because it's like, okay. Okay. I get you you see a dead animal on the side of the road. Leave it alone Right bad great dead animal bad great. I'm with you on that metaphor. Yeah, leave it alone Yes, there's a state department that's paid for through taxes and regulations right that will clean that up eventually You leave it alone. Well, not if trump has his way Well, Alex is gonna have to take that carcass home then
Starting point is 01:57:30 Uh, but but be that as it may there's nothing gonna be left for him to fuck the issue to me comes to like Where is the bridge like with a metaphor a metaphor is only as good as the connection to reality i90 west sure Like where is it? Where is the connection to like the point that he's trying to make the point he's trying to make is that like global Wait, was he trying to make a point? Well, it starts with him saying that these globalists you shouldn't hate them You should pity them much like you pity an animal dead by the side of the road I suppose but then it pivots to the animal by the side of the road is dangerous
Starting point is 01:58:03 In some way because it wants to take over your life. So the animal is vaccines. No, I don't know It's all still globalists, but I don't know. I don't know. I don't get it I don't get it. It's troubling Anyway troubling if true we can leave that aside We got one more clip jordan Okay, and in this next clip alex decides to get into hot topics pop The pop hot topics Like the mall that hillary goes to to say that she hurt somebody. No, this is about a youtube celebrity
Starting point is 01:58:36 Oh, it's the guy who did the thing with the suicide guy logan Why are we doing this? Well, actually, this is interesting because my prediction was that alex would be solely defending logan paul Oh, yeah, I thought for sure. Well, here's a couple things. He's white. He's a male I thought that's a good start. I thought for full stop. That's why he would defend him also strictly speaking I support logan paul making that video interesting take But just based on free speech
Starting point is 01:59:07 Okay, I think you should suffer all the consequences of doing it. Good point But I don't think you should say don't do it fair. It's incredibly disgraceful It's it indicates a lack of humanity on your part But the idea of saying don't do it or like We should stop you from making this video or we should censor you right etc That to me is like I mean that falls right in line with alex jones's principles See that of defending free speech and I thought for sure. This is not someone he would think is
Starting point is 01:59:40 Evil or a target right because he's a white male, right? I thought for sure alex would be like everyone's trying to come down on logan paul. We got to defend him right He's a very different take I'm interested to hear what his take is. Well, it's Is it standard? No, it's it's it's chaos and then at the end he gets to He gets back to globalists more or less
Starting point is 02:00:05 He gets back he gets back to dead carcasses on the side of the road Oh, he get he betrays his own positions for a bit out of pettiness And then at the end of this clip that i'm about to play he slams He slam dunks it. No, he turns it into something really fucking weird. All right Logan paul video youtube Users act fast to reupload suicide farce video despite it being taken down and then youtube doesn't take it down After it had tens of millions of views He took it down and then does a sorry video and it's all a big joke and because it's nasty
Starting point is 02:00:39 And it's it's it's it's it's not masculine and it's done in a little demonic gremlin-like way Okay, they leave it up But then All right We show Army troops saving children From a burning van
Starting point is 02:00:59 And they take it down because they don't want you to see army troops saving kids out of a van No idea what this that's youtube I don't know either and I don't know the specifics of this But if I had to guess I would say that alex jones' video also had other pieces in it I would assume it wasn't just straight video of army troops saving kids I would say that there's probably some Something that broke terms of service or something like that because it takes a lot For youtube to take something down. Yeah, it takes a great deal
Starting point is 02:01:31 Or it takes you using a song that disney doesn't want you to use Right, but you can do that if you don't have an audience But once you have enough people watching then they'll start to be like shut that down Uh, like copyright claims right like that dmca Great bill like I mean there's a there's a decent chance that someone who was in that video that alex shot made a Complaint or something like that. It didn't want it up or something like that because they know the context of alex jones and info wars Of course, I don't know if that's the case, but that's a possible explanation for it So like but you see why he's kind of pissed off about it is that we have videos taken down
Starting point is 02:02:08 They don't take this down what the fuck right which is not a free speech position. It's not principled. No I mean, it's a true Culture of little weak twisted people sitting there. We've got them on video going Our main mission is to stop alex jones and people like him and all we do is de-listed so nobody can see it I mean ours is and then we have it in congress and everywhere saying shut us down. Why because you can see what they are They go hang out in japan. It turns out for weeks Waiting for somebody to go to this famous forest Where a it's kind of like a romeo juliet story where a young girl killed herself for love and then hundreds have gone there and hung themselves
Starting point is 02:02:48 Killed themselves and so he goes and makes a big joke And and makes fun of the dead body Disgracing some poor soul who took their own life and because it's so dishonorable so twisted so weak so pathetic So poisonous give three more things So heartless so soulless that if they can get young people As only to get off on somebody's misery and they're rotting dead body and make fun of it and then make money off of it And do it while you're wearing a yoda hat All of it perfectly done. This is a scythe folks. This is all staged
Starting point is 02:03:26 To turn wisdom on its head. It's all all right Maybe yoda will go make fun of some dead body again that archetype. This is what it's all about That's what it's all about. Do you think Dan yoda. Do you think he would do this? No, Dan. I need to ask you this question Deadly serious. All right. Do you think yoda would do something like that? I have a bracelet wwyd And I say no, you don't think so. I don't think so. I don't know yoda seems like a very charismatic figure He might do a lot of different things. I know that yoda spent a lot of time in degoba
Starting point is 02:04:02 Just hanging out, right? That's the swamp, right? I'm not I'm not enough in a nerd to know this, but I remember Okay, but he hung out in that swamp for a long time Just like sort of honing his skills and being and hiding waiting for luke to show up Uh-oh was not honing his skills. I'm sure he practiced a little he was in hiding But he was practicing along along After his after his defeat at the hands of the emperor emperor palpatine Darth Sidious He then had to retreat and escape from that
Starting point is 02:04:30 But do you think there's a fucking chance he was sitting around in that swamp and now practicing? I'm assuming there was a shit ton of dead bodies in that swamp. I bet he practiced a whole bunch with his Lightsaber and no, he did not he didn't have a lightsaber. He did in the fucking prequels He did in the prequels, but he didn't have it in the uh empire strikes back. He just didn't need to show it It's Real power doesn't need to be flexed All right, that's what i'm getting at No, so but no, all right. You've sold me. I what i'm saying if he had a lightsaber at degabah
Starting point is 02:05:00 He would have actually fucking sparred with luke and he did not do that No, he just he just hung out on luke's back. He didn't think that luke was worthy. Look, here's here's the issue The issue is he had a lot of time on his hands That is the issue he could have started just like logan paul He could have started a youtube series if he wanted to true and he didn't and that's how we know Canonically, he wouldn't do that so Based on the star wars canon
Starting point is 02:05:27 Alex is correct yoda would not do that. That's true. It is not a scyop Here's here's this is not a scyop. Here's my take logan paul's video is not a scyop But that's the perfect alex jones thing to say that is the perfect alex jones. Hey, what what is that a scyop on? This is the longest pause in the show's history. I have no idea What would the scyop be hold on let me scroll it back. I think he explains it a little bit. Okay, and then make money off of it And do it while you're wearing a yoda hat All of it perfectly done. This is a scyop folks. This is all staged To turn wisdom on its head. It's all archetypal
Starting point is 02:06:12 Okay, you think yoda would go make fun of some dead body again that archetype This is what it's all about Okay, I know a hundred percent what he's talking about. Okay, but go ahead go. No. No. You're you go first alex is pretending that logan paul wearing a yoda like Cartoony hat is some sort of a symbol that is to be like A cue to the initiated of what's going on here. Have you read that blog? There's a blog called vigilance citizen the answer before you even ask that question is no There's a blog called vigilance citizen and it's one of the biggest like examples of this there's like um
Starting point is 02:06:51 They believe that symbology runs the world right and so like everyone all the celebrities like cover I know the name of the rose The name of the yoda Would the rose do this? No But like celebrities putting one hand over their eyes. Actually, that's a mystery. Anyways, keep going Well, like that like that for one example the the eye of horus or the blocking one of your eyes is a symbol of initiation into the Illuminati and sure that sort of thing Everybody knows that whenever you see checkerboard floors in a movie
Starting point is 02:07:24 That's a cue to the initiated that like this is a meaningful scene Yeah, all that stuff and so I think that what alex is trying to get at without having to spell it out because he knows his audience goes to those blogs and like They're into that conspiracy shit too Right is trying to say that the fact that he wore his hat that hat is an is an indication to you that all this is a Fuck Fuck in failure. All of this is fake. It is just trying to scar you It's trying to fuck with you and turn wisdom on its head. That's the part. I don't understand
Starting point is 02:07:57 Well, no if I understand correctly as opposed like in regards to the turn wisdom on its head You've got yoda as a hat symbol of wisdom hats next to dead body Being worn by an asshole And so you're turning wisdom on its head because yoda gotta be honest. I already don't follow what you're saying No, okay. All right. So you got this you were just saying elements of things Okay, so you got an asshole He's wearing a yoda hat. Yes, and then he goes in mocks a dead body. I don't know. I this is one story Uh, like so many other stories where I went
Starting point is 02:08:39 Nah, fuck this. I don't give a shit. Everybody can die. Yeah, as soon as I saw it. I was like hard pass. Yeah, exactly Yeah, I'm like, but also at the same time. I saw this as a story and I was like everybody should die I saw this and I was like I don't know. I wasn't surprised by this. Yeah, like at the escalation of people who need attention on youtube is I mean, there's a finite way that you can shock people Pewdiepie has already come out and done nazi shit. Here's here is what are you gonna do? Here's a dead body. Here's at the same time. Rob Hubel has that youtube red show Do you want to see a dead body? Which is where it's just fake. It's very funny, right? And there's there's no reason to think that people wouldn't like
Starting point is 02:09:19 People who are exploitative wouldn't take that to the next level Of course the suicide forest in japan I can't remember the name of it because I don't remember japanese words But like that's a real place where you can be definitely you guarantee you'll see a dead body if you go in there Weird. Yeah. I mean, I've read a bunch of stuff about it since and it's like Yeah, there's no suicide culture in japan is a whole different thing. It's wild But like there's no there's no Situation wherein he could have embarked on this without thinking he would find a dead body. Yeah
Starting point is 02:09:50 So like the idea of like, oh, it's an accident or it's unplanned is nonsense But we don't need to unpack that. It's about what alex is saying. Here's my point. My point is this If We are to follow along with what alex said Yoda the yoda hat is the symbol of wisdom. Yes, they're turning on its head by going into an A clearly exploitative place right and having an asshole See a dead body and do whatever he did. Yeah So yoda our symbol of wisdom is then associated with the asshole doing whatever he did
Starting point is 02:10:31 Well in that case thus You you see that symbol of wisdom and go well wisdom would do this and so it destroys wisdom for you In that case go with an owl Like I mean go with a more classical symbol. Why would you go with a classical symbol? You're trying to reach the millennials Man you're trying to reach the kids because they fucking use the eye of horus. I don't know They are like that's not a that's not something they're going like millennials are gonna vibe with I didn't see the video the gyptology
Starting point is 02:11:00 I didn't see the video because the headline I saw was youtube star and then I lit my phone on fire Right, right like I was done. I I think it's fascinating that alex I mean, it's clear that his complaints come from pettiness, but like they censored my video More views. Why don't you get away with it? And I don't yeah, uh, that that certainly is in play and then I think the issue again for alex was why isn't the symbol of wisdom and alex jones hat Goddamn, we got to make some alex jones hats. Oh, I would wear an alex jones hat Just an a hat of alex jones with his mouth right here and then is okay
Starting point is 02:11:36 And you pull on a little cord and it screams at people. Yep Like one of those like one of those cards where you open it and goes, I love you like that kind. Yeah The globlets are coming Now I want an alex jones doll If we had if we had endless resources the things we could make But be that the bad ideas we could make reality be that as it may I'm fucking flummoxed
Starting point is 02:12:05 by everything that alex jones is doing because He should be supporting logan paul based on his philosophies There's nothing that he did that breaches free speech He was in japan right which is already you're on board He doesn't give a shit. He doesn't give a shit about that person who died in that forest Of course, he doesn't care at all. He exploits people who have died For rhetorical points all the time huge fan. He did it earlier with breitbart. He's a huge fan of people who died
Starting point is 02:12:38 Yeah, he said that steve bandon came in with a bunch of money and disgraced breitbart's reputation Right, I mean he's using breitbart as a tool which makes perfect said he's using uh, Andrew breitbart as a prop in his attack of bandon So he doesn't care about people who have died and all that shit right I don't I don't think necessarily that there's any law against The videotaping a dead body I mean, I don't know. I don't know I don't know. I don't I don't obviously there's not I don't I this is a basis of death exists. Yeah, exactly
Starting point is 02:13:13 So obviously that's not the case. I mean there's always gonna be a fascination with dead bodies Sure with really fucked up people. Yeah, I'm just not necessarily even fucked up people just like There's a weird I don't know. Uh, I've never felt that way human. It's a dude I somebody when I was in high school was like, let's watch faces of death and I was like Let's turn you into one of those faces of death. I don't want to see this. Yeah, this is gross and wrong Which is not to take a some sort of high ground. It's just like fuck you. I don't need that shit in my life No, I had friends who would watch stuff like that and I'd go to the other room. Yeah, like I just like nope. No, no, no
Starting point is 02:13:50 No, yeah, that's a big no Hard pass. Yeah, but but you're argument that there is a fascination with some I would argue they're fucked up But Yeah, sure. There are people who watch these beheading videos. I mean when you but like Like if you get into like one of the most popular podcasts now is my favorite murder and all they do is talk about serial killers Like that's but that's the minutiae of it in the psychology. That's different than Actually watching dead bodies or actually watching people die wallowing in the actual death of it is different than the the circumstances that surround it the clues the
Starting point is 02:14:26 The the the psychology. I think that's very different. I just I just don't think it's a pathology I don't think it's some sort of If logan paul instead of like wandering into a dead body and then sort of laughing and clowning a little bit, right had Off-camera found a dead body and then stage the whole thing or no no respectfully sort of discussed The experience of it and then also was like There was a note by it because a lot of people who killed themselves in that forest leave notes call larry nickles right
Starting point is 02:15:01 But like there there is a way that he could have done it in a my favorite murder style or a serial style Yeah, that would have been much more tasteful It's gotta be disrespectful to the person who died because they didn't consent to be a part of his right stunt or whatever But it wouldn't be as uh to to clarify that position I think it wouldn't be respectful to the people who cared about the person who died the moment you die You don't give you don't you don't exist. So go fuck yourself. I'm not clear I'm not clear. I agree with you on that, but it's it's not worth arguing. Yes. It's absolutely not worth arguing I think that your rights do extend after death to a to an extent disagree
Starting point is 02:15:42 I'm not worth arguing. I'm gonna desecrate your fucking course. Please do. All right Well, see there that already is consent. See now, that's the issue. Yeah See that's different now. I don't I don't care now. You don't care. Yeah. Now. You won't desecrate my corpse because No, but like The issue I mean there's there's a lot of issues And a lot of them are really really salient about Like the idea of going and doing this indicates so much more about who you are And that's a problem. Yeah, but
Starting point is 02:16:18 I don't think I don't think it's necessarily youtube's place or anyone anyone in charge's place to say I will censor this. Yeah, and I I'm 90 on that side I'm also right 100 certain that's alex's side. Right. I'd actually want to take myself down to about 70 Because I do think that grace comes into it. I think I think I think that I don't think that governing bodies should be able to tell you what you can and can't say But I think we need to be much more active punishing people for stuff that is distasteful. Right not distasteful, but wrong
Starting point is 02:16:59 Like there's a difference. I think I think I would circle back to the difference between conservatism and nazism Okay, both are distasteful one is wrong Which one I Fuck you. I think I think what I think we always wind up going back to like in this particular circumstance I think I start from the place of as we've discussed before with our friend Being rich is a morally questionable decision. Yes And societies that allow strict wealth are doing
Starting point is 02:17:37 I think I would I think I would start all the way back there and say being a youtube star is a morally questionable decision Absolutely. Well, but it's not a decision. I mean, it's a decision that he made as a child and his parents Sort of reinforced and it it went and actually see but Then I get back to why the fuck do we care like I hope he dies I don't give a fuck about this logan paul motherfucker. Interestingly, we can stop here, but uh our friend who uh I mean, we all agree with this sentiment, but she just summed it up so perfectly with perfectly Being wealthy is a morally suspicious choice. Right great tweet
Starting point is 02:18:14 Katie mcvay. All of the all of the words are perfect too. Katie nailed it Look her up on twitter because she wrote a very very salient and concise essay about logan paul and about what he embodies and there is a lot of that like white Privilege that white male privilege that wouldn't think for a second that this is wrong to do Right, right. She impacts a lot of those ideas much more saliently than we can do very talented and great person Let's jump off this and just say it's fucked up that alex jones doesn't support him because it's right in his support base Yes, it's out of character and uh, I think that's just I don't know why that is. I can't figure out
Starting point is 02:18:54 Uh, but then even beyond that. I think pettiness once again, we get back to why is it that logan paul seems to get more views than he does Like that's where we that's where we get back to we're gonna try to recycle and let's not let's let's kick out of it Just to say that alex jones is rant about uh, brian stalter of course is stupid, but at the same time wild Yeah, makes no sense insane, but boring Yes, a lot of these other things Trump being like william wallis. I mean that's I don't know
Starting point is 02:19:27 What else we got a wolf I don't know I think we come we've ended in the same place we started Oh, man. May the wolf eat your flush. I don't think we learned anything. I think that's where we got back to anyway It's time for us to wrap this up. So, uh, please go to knowledge fight.com. That's our website Absolutely, uh, if you would like to there's a banner that says click support the show you can do that if we get to Uh, what is it 72 more dollars for this month? I believe so. Yeah, we will uh, we will do a thing that will hurt Both of us mostly me. Yes. Uh, you can follow us on twitter at knowledge underscore fight. Uh, you can uh, go to face All right now i'm back in
Starting point is 02:20:06 2018 i'm in we're on itunes and then shortly once I get around to it will be on some other Platforms, right? All right from what we've from what we've heard not everybody can find us through itunes and so on Yeah, I feel bad about that. But at the same time i'm busy It's hard life's hard. Are you? um, and then uh, oh since we can't Since we can't do that fuck face. Mm-hmm. Who are we mad at today? I don't know It's tough to figure out who uh, who today's uh pile of garbage is pile of shit I'm scrolling through twitter to see who people are angry
Starting point is 02:20:40 Oh, no, we can't allow other people to be angry. Yeah, let's not allow that input to come out. I feel like you know what? I want to say michael wolf. You want to say michael wolf? He's unleashed so much shit. You know what? I don't disagree with you All right, michael wolf. You're a pile of shit Andy and chanzas you're on the air. Thanks for holding So alexa my first time caller i'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you

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