Knowledge Fight - #124: March 23, 2008

Episode Date: January 29, 2018

Dan and Jordan are still stuck back in the past, discussing episodes of The Alex Jones Show from 2008, and Dan has reached a strange point of conflict. Despite him being wrong all the time, was Alex Jones so bad back in 2008? Would Alex Jones be way happier if he had never started selling weird pills and making tons of money?  These questions and more are discussed on this episode.

And Andy and Chanz was here on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Is there, uh, is there like a hook? Is there a reason you would listen to two yahoo's talk about Alex Jones?

Well, there's a new hook. There's a new hook? Well, I mean, that we are stuck in the past. Did somebody cover, uh, the, uh, Blue's Traveler song? No, there's not that. I know a lot about Alex Jones. Cause it seems like 311 would have done a cover of that song. I could see that. Yeah. Right? Yeah. They're still around. They're still touring.

Sure. Uh, I know a lot about Alex Jones. You don't. I don't know anything about Alex Jones. And it's turning out that now it's, I don't know anything about 311 either. There's a guy named Peanut in it. I wish I knew less about 311 now. Nick Hexham.

I'm still going wrong. The number of 311. It's about getting worse. I hit some great songs, man. Amber. It's a good song. It's not a good song. Nope. Do you like a couple of their songs? Let's not get into it.

Uh, I don't want to wreck my brain trying to come up with a, what 311 songs are okay, uh, Jordan. So, uh, before, uh, on our last episode, I believe we made the declaration that I'm just sticking in the past. Yeah. Uh, and so today we're going to be going over March 23rd, 2008. And I'll explain why there's a gap there. Uh, since our last show covered the 18th,

but before we do like to play an out of context drop from today's show. Okay. Okay. This is going to be a weird radio show today. And you're not going to want to miss it. All right. Selling it up. All right.

All right. Uh, so one of the things that I'm learning that's very interesting, um, is that in 2008, Alex Jones was doing a radio show. Right. It was not like a regular radio show. It was not a production. Uh, uh, he didn't have a lot going for him. And so like nowadays, whenever he wants a day off or something like that,

he wants to like, you know, maybe do a half day. He'll have David nightfill in or something like that. Back then he couldn't do that. He doesn't have the, he doesn't have the cast of characters back. No. So what he would do is he would replay interviews from a couple days previous and make it seem like it's live. Wait, he, what?

Yeah. Because I was listening. He didn't, he didn't announce that. No. No. He just played the same interview over again because I got. That's fantastic. I got tricked by it because I was listening to like the 20th or something

like that March 20th, right? And like Dr. Dean Adele comes back and I'm like, yeah, fuck. Yeah. Round two, round two with Dean Adele. Hell yeah. This is going to be amazing. And they're like, this is the same interview. God damn it.

So he does that a lot. There's a lot of rebroadcast. And he replayed that interview, which is even crazier. That's bananas. Yeah. But so there's that stuff. I'm listening to it. I'm like, I remember a bit of this and so it, it, there's a couple days

where it's just a no man's land of nothing. That's, that's, that's tough. So, so does he do live interstitials or is the whole thing? I think it's the whole thing. The whole thing is just rebroadcast together interviews from previous days. That's diabolical. Well, yeah. I mean, I think that's what a lot of radio shows do though.

But a lot of them will announce like I'm going to be off for a few days. Right. You're the best of or whatever. Alex doesn't do that. No, he does not. Oh, speaking of the best of, I forgot we got to get to some shout outs. Oh yeah. Before we get to today's episode, like to give a shout out to a couple of new

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March. I want, can we commission one? Do we know where Dean Adele is now? Yeah, I think he's retired and it's Dean is the first name Adele. E-D-E-L-L is the last name. So I looked that up. Okay. And he seems pretty cool.

I don't know. Yeah. Can we commission him? We can email him, right? Right. Okay. So we email him. I'm pretty sure he's alive.

Yes. We email him to call in and record him giving Steve Pacenek speech. Ooh, that would be nice. See, that's what I want. Yeah. I want a whole, I want a whole. Eventually I want every character on Alex Jones' show to record those exact words.

Just go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Every single one of them. Wouldn't be bad. Oh yeah. So today, Jordan, we are getting a Sunday show with the 23rd of March, 2008. Right. And I think it's Easter.

Okay. I think it, I think that he, Are the specials going on? No, because he doesn't, he's not selling products back then. So he doesn't have the same salesman-y shit, which actually, I mean, it gives the show an entirely different feeling. Right. Like the fact that he's not throwing to commercial all the fucking time,

it feels totally different. Okay. I, I can't- You're so excited. I am and I'm not. And we'll get in, we'll get into why as things go along. But it is, it is exciting to me that this is something new. Right.

In the sense that- Considering we haven't had to deal with that for like four months. Well, as we've been going over the modern day stuff, you know, like it, the, I know everything about Alex Jones, you know, nothing about him holds true and it's kind of boring for me listening to him being like, I know what he's doing. Right. Ba-ba-ba-ba.

Now it's like, this is fresh for me. Right, right, right. I gotta figure out a new crazy. Fucking anything could happen. And he's a different kind of crazy. But anyway. Is it just him? Like he doesn't have co-hosts.

He doesn't have Rob do hanging around in the studio. It's an interesting question. I mean, no. When does David Knight show up in all of this? I think David Knight might be around at this point, but just doing the nightly news. Okay. And I think Rob do is doing the nightly news back then as well. I'm not ensuring the entire timeline.

I know Paul Joseph Watson is around. Okay. Because he's referenced having him write articles. Okay. But I don't know if he's gotten him to be on air talent yet. Okay. So this is, so the info wars.com is still around. Yes.

Okay. And prisonplanet.com. All that stuff. I mean, most of the commercials, like I said on the last episode are essentially just all for his documentaries. Okay. They're all just like, he plays the sound bite of George HW Bush saying a new world order and it's like, ah, proof.

Yep. Well, they're sold me. Sure. Yeah. That's all I needed to hear. So let's get to this first clip and you'll see immediately why I think it's Easter. Okay. And also I should say I, I figured this out as the show went along, the audio quality

is way worse on this Sunday show. And it turns out the reason for that is because he's broadcasting out of a different studio. Okay. So his normal studio, I think has much better sound. Whereas this broadcasting from his Easter studio, this is the KLBJ studios in Austin, Texas. After three days, he will emerge from that studio and return to his, You talk about a weekend?

Yes. I guess so. Anyway, here's the first clip. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome and thank you for joining us. It is Ishtar day when we worship Ishtar, the mother goddess Babylon and we simulate fertility love it through the rabbits. That's why playboy symbol rabbit because rabbits are well known for their sexual

stamina and how many cycles of young taken birth each year is the terms like they're breeding like rabbits. That's why Hugh Hefner picked the rabbit as the symbol for his playboy empire. And so in the last 60 years, our children have been trained to not be Christian on this holiday. And but for hundreds of years, it's been called Easter, the occult symbolism hidden in plain view. The Eastern worship of Ishtar, the mother goddess fertility, the eggs, the rabbit.

And it is a huge fertility ritual. We just had the beginning of spring a couple days ago and then we celebrate the high occult holiday. He's the most obvious practice by different occult branches all over the world from the Aztecs to the Babylonians. Of course, to the Druids. Oh, but you know, you know what he's doing? He's just repeating zeitgeist.

I know. I want to hear him explain more basic, uh, well, and we get that, uh, you know, banging like rabbits because rabbits have sex a lot famously like we get the phrase don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because one time somebody threw a baby out with the bathwater. Like that's why playboy probably has bunnies. I am almost certain that's why the worship of Ishtar, but that's not the Babylonian goddess of a rebirth in spring. That's not correct.

Are we sure? That is not correct. Aren't we sure at all? No, no, no. I'm pretty sure that's what Hugh Hefner was thinking. He was like, okay, first of all, it's not a cult. It can't be a cult. What do you mean?

Playboy? I mean, well, no, that definitely is. Yeah, that's probably was didn't, uh, didn't, uh, fuck it. So Easter in Latin and Greek is known as Pasha, uh, which comes from Posca from the Aramaic word, uh, or from to cognate to the Hebrew name Pesach, which is, you know, Passover. Sure. But also the word Easter doesn't come from Ishtar. It just sounds similar.

It's a false cognate. This is something that's been debunked a whole bunch. The name Easter traces, uh, most likely I didn't know that. I thought it was, I thought it was the same thing. No, absolutely not. Fuck yes. Yeah. That's awesome to learn.

It's absolutely not. Uh, it's something that's very commonly thought again, because it sounds similar. It sounds the same. Uh, Ishtar is a goddess of, uh, fertility and what have you, but also in the same way that like Greek goddesses would have multiple purposes. She also is like a goddess of warfare and the animal that she's associated with is a lion. Right.

Like it's not a bunny or eggs at all. It's all just made up shit. Yeah. That's not true in the least. You know, like, um, uh, Athena is associated strongly. Even when Alex is trying to give you a history, he's wrong about it. Yeah. Fantastic.

Like Athena, the one animal she's associated with is a fucking owl. Yeah. You know that that's consistent. It's a whole thing. One animal that Ishtar is associated with is a fucking lion. Right. It's not a bunny rabbit. What?

Bounce it around with eggs. What is a lion but the bunny rabbit of the cat world? You might make a decent point. You don't. Uh, but the, uh, the most accepted, uh, theory about the name of Ishtar, uh, is that it's derived from the name of an old English goddess mentioned, uh, by the seventh to eighth century English monk Beatty who wrote, uh, about a old English month of Eoster, uh, which is translated back then is, uh, Pasha month, which goes to Passover.

Right. But, uh, yeah. The Eoster month goes back to, uh, Ostara, the, uh, the goddess Ostara, which, uh, is actually, I mean, it makes a whole lot more sense. Uh, the, the issue is like, okay, do you, do you, Alex, what he wants to say is there's pagan shit behind holidays. Right. And if he wanted to just say that, cool, would have been great, but if he wants to

like play this game, like, I know all this stuff. He was trying to be sarcastic about it too. He was trying to like, yeah, he's like, Hey, you know what, I know all of this stuff too, but you guys are actually hating on Christian. He's, he comes off like a kid in high school who's like, Jesus isn't real. Wait, no, what? He's coming off as one of these guys in high school who's like, all you mainstream people are posers.

Yeah, absolutely. Fuck off. There's some good pop. Right. You dick. Sometimes the mainstream is great, uh, but be that as it may. He's just wrong. A lot of bitterness in that little story, Dan.

Yeah, a little bit. He's wrong and he continues to be wrong in this next clip. Okay. Now again, I'm a Christian, uh, and, uh, the kids have fun with the eggs and they do. Uh, the whole point is, is that I don't worship Ishtar because I'm conscious of it and I realize what it is, but the globalists enjoy tricking you. They enjoy manipulating you. They enjoy having things hidden in plain view, but that's part of their, uh, aluminum

in this religion is that they get more power out of things being in plain view and you still not seeing them. So that's all part of the basic craziness, but just look up the term Easter. I did. It's in your encyclopedia, the root from Ishtar, the goddess of fertility and in springtime all over the world, uh, different cultures. Uh, they had different names for the goddess, but it was always the goddess. Would engage in different sacrifices.

Sometimes a goat, sometimes a ram, sometimes a bull, sometimes a horse, but there's a dream of what a child, but you talked over the end there. Well, the end was obviously a child. We're going to get to a child. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I mean that, that is true that it does seem like throughout cultures there are, uh, you know, like in Greek, uh, mythology is Demeter and Persephone with the coming of spring being the Persephone is let out of Hades for a couple of months to hang out with

her mom. Yeah, but that's cool. Right. But I mean, there does seem to be a connection throughout old timey cultures and the ideas of a goddess and spring. Right. And well, that's cause it's cool that shit grows and everybody like, if there's a god for everything sooner or later, you're going to be like, wait a second, this shit happens

every year. Right. I bet it's not because of, uh, the climate or whatever. It's because of God's. So you give him a name and then you get really bad ass myths. I want better myths. Okay. That's the problem with the monotheists.

Their myths suck. Yeah. They're not great. Right. What do you, what do you, what do you get some side myths about like, uh, Daniel and the lion's den and, uh, David and what have you sucked. I don't know. King David murdered his best friend so he could fuck his wife.

That's a shitty myth. That's a very modern myth seems right in line with our culture. Uh, I don't know, uh, Daniel and his buddies, Meshack, no, it's Meshack Taylor. I'm thinking of bedrack, Meshack, what's the Shadrack Meshack in a bed and a go. Yeah. Yeah. It really caught up in Meshack Taylor being one of them. Yeah.

See, that sucks. But you get if Meshack Taylor was one of them, better myth, better myth, way better myth. Yeah. But you get the, you get fucking the guy going down into Hades. He goes to grab the girl, but then there's six of the fucking, but she ate a pomegranate seed. It's like, that's a great fucking myth cause it doesn't make any goddamn sense.

Right. And sure, why not? That sounds true. It makes a lot of sense. Shit grows. Might as well be something to do with pomegranates and hell. Was that the note you took? Yes.

Okay. If you want to look down at my notes, uh, it, I wrote down pomegranate and hell. Why not? Sure. Um, so Alex is, he's going hard on the Ishtar business right out of the gate and, uh, I wish, I wish that, um, he read anything because like he could have a, well, then we wouldn't have a show, Dan. I mean, who knew that we were going to go back to 2008 and start listening to this shit,

but like he'd have a better argument to make if he did, you know, like, cause the argument, the base of the argument, I mean, it's not that Pete, like, a luminous globalist occultists are trying to trick your kids into something, right? That's not good. But the argument that you could educate your audience on about the, like, sort of pagan and druidic origins of a lot of holidays, you could actually teach them something if you wanted to. Wouldn't be a bad idea.

You have the starting point of education, Alex, and you're blowing it. You're just fucking blowing. Right. Anyway, uh, he gets to a news story here pretty quick on the, on the show and, uh, it's patently absurd. Uh, but, uh, a big security company is working with the airlines to make you fit a taser bracelet around your wrist. Everyone who gets on a plane will be fitted with a taser bracelet and zapped if they have

their way. I love this. And they said they've done polling and the people want to be fitted with your taser bracelet. And again, this is about training you to be a slave. Give me a tail of taser bracelet is about, and I've got the federal docs on that about humiliation about selling the precedent for you to do anything and everything. This is all part of a dog training, basically Pavlovian training to train you how to be a slave.

You're going to see this clip coming up after the break where, uh, they're advertising the fact that you'll all be fitted with your, with your zappers. Everyone will have their, and then they say, Oh, by the way, in the real world, you know, outside the airports, Um, he's going to get into like, uh, externalizing this and like, Hey, you just wear a shock brace. That's everywhere. Yeah.

That makes sense. I don't have the audio of it because it's not really worth it. It actually sounds like a product that he would be advertising for on his show now. Hmm. Just like, Oh, for your, for your, uh, globalist in your life, give him a little wrist taser for all your shock needs. Yeah. Um, I don't let it around where you hide your guns.

I don't play the, I don't have the audio of it. I didn't keep it because it's kind of boring and Alex talks over it. But what it is is kind of, what it sounds to me like is a, like a tech business that has an idea and they're sort of pitching it. Right. It's not, it's not like the government is planning this and 10 years later, we don't have shock bracelets. No, we don't.

So, uh, we'll finish this up. Should we? No. I think that's a larger question. I think we don't need them. All right. But I feel like there's a conversation to be had and the police in LA are pushing and then they've done it in some cities where your car has to have an automatic kill switch

for the police. Cause see, somebody might run from them. So we're all guilty until proven innocent. So we all got to have a kill switch in our car. Of course, who's going to watch the government? The historically is the most dangerous thing we have to look out for. It doesn't matter. Automatic kill switches in cars, uh, will all be fitted with our taser bracelets or

necklaces. Again, you can't make this up. You can't make this up. This is not a spoof for satire. You'll laugh and say it's not true today, but when you hear about it on the news next month, you will in double things shift and say, okay, I'm for it. That's how you've been pre-programmed with high tech mind control of the television that then leaks out into the culture and then is amplified by the cultural zeitgeist known

as the peer pressure hundredth monkey nexus overdrive. Is that what we call it? I just coined there, but that's basically what it is. He's going to known as known, popularly known as, and then whatever it was he said. And then he's like, I just coined that the hundredth monkey nexus overdrive. Yeah. And again, I mean, that just goes back to the debunked hundredth monkey theory. Exactly.

Yeah. So even that's stupid. Even the coin term, he just came up with this stupid, uh, 10, again, 10 years later, we don't have shock bracelets. For many reasons. Is that name stupid? Absolutely. It's, it's clunky.

It's too wordy. Too wordy. I would also say that like, I kind of agree with him that the idea of all cars having a kill switch in them is not good necessarily, but I also see the practical application of it. Right. I mean, I don't, I don't know. That one's murky to me.

Well, I also don't think that all cars do. No, they absolutely don't. No, I mean, it's an interesting idea because, uh, car chase is horrific. Like my cousin, so much damage. Yeah. My cousin actually was hit by a running away car, uh, being chased by the cops and no never caught the guy. So he just got fucked up.

Like you hear about it from time to time, an old person behind the wheel, uh, will like run through a crowd or there are terrorist attacks that use cars now that should be happening in Europe every now and again. So there is a practical application. The only problem is now you're talking about a remote kill switch. And as we know about any kind of remote technology, uh, it's going to get hacked by somebody who knows how to use it better than you do. So they can do whatever they want with it, you know, it's a double edged sort of, uh,

of an astonishing, uh, you know, negative application. So what we see at this point already is Alex Jones being kind of stupid, but at the same time, but he's also very glib about how smart he is. Right. And that's, that's annoying. Very annoying, but it's not bad. You know, like annoying, it's annoying, but it's not, it's not Alex Jones bad. Right.

So what I, the point I'm trying to get at right now is now, if he'd said the Muslims put kill switches in all of your cars, there we go, then we, then we're talking Alex Jones territory. Yeah. Yeah. But what I'm getting at is that like I, so we have three things so far that have come up. That ishtar being Easter, which is not true, but fine, whatever.

You want to get into your esoteric babbling about, uh, weird internet memes and shit like that. Right. Fine. That's good fun. Good on you. There is a segment of the population is because of ishtar. Well, but there's a segment of the population that really loves that stuff.

And I'm, I'm susceptible to that to some extent too. Like I watch videos on YouTube about Atlantis and stuff like that. Right. I don't necessarily think it's true, but I enjoy it and I wouldn't want someone just because it's not true to not put it out there. Right. So I love it. I'm fine with that.

Then we have the government is going to put shock bracelets on you in order to fly. Well, yeah. And then we have kill switches in cars. Those two things are like they're paranoia narratives, but at the same time, the way he's presenting them and the position he's in in 2008 is the kind of guy who I'm cool with existing because like the absence of that voice is worse. Like you know that governments and, you know, power organizations tend to overstep their bounds.

Right. There is 100% of the time. There is a pushing that power just naturally does. Yeah. And so having someone who is just there yelling about like X, Y or Z, whether it's accurate or not, there is kind of a value to it. I agree. Because the absence of that voice would allow, you know, things to be unchecked to some extent.

I think that there's smarter, I think there's smarter voices that do it, possibly not more popular ones. Now granted, his positions are alarmist and paranoid and not based in reality. But at this, but I'm not saying he's right, but what I'm saying is that at this point, it's not at least, I mean, it might get worse as the episode goes along, but like he's not as offensive as he is like six years later. Right. I mean, yeah, he's more, he sounds more like the guy on the corner with the sign saying

that apocalypse is at hand. Yeah. You know, like, yeah, I like the, I like that voice being available to me, like if I'm walking down the street not thinking about whether or not the apocalypse is at hand, I like to be reminded that it is. Now granted. Regardless of whether it is or not. We know from the last episode that like, I mean, there is still bigotry going on.

He's still, that's still part of him already in 2008. He's still a racist and shit like that. We just didn't know he also hated Ishtar. Right. I'm conflicted about the position that he's in in 2008 in terms of like, if you could get rid of the racism, would he be a valuable voice in public discourse? I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

There's a better argument for it then than there is now. It's for damn sure. Right. Anyway, I don't know that. That's just the thought that I, I've, I've had and I don't know what to do with. Anyway, the thought we're having is, uh, is Alex Jones better or worse? Now way worse. And.

Oh yeah. Now he's way, way worse. But I think it's worse for him too. Anyway, listen to this next clip and where he brings those sort of narratives together and, uh, and, and. Alright. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, it's Ishtar Jay, we're a member of the, this is Ishtar's favorite song.

In Palestine named Jesus Christ by putting out purple, green and pink Easter eggs and hopping around. You can imagine if somebody fell asleep 50 years ago and just now woke up on a cryo freeze and turned on the news and they were proposing that we all walk around wearing shock bracelets. If it makes the officer feel more relaxed, shouldn't the entire public be fitted with a shock of bracelets? Oh yeah, I'm definitely Al-Qaeda because I don't want to wear my shock of bracelets. The government's good.

The men in black ski mask are good. Everything is fine, my friends. So that, that right there kind of gets to a little beat drop, got him. But like Alex loves doing radio. Yeah. He's, he's so much happier 10 years ago that you can hear it, you can feel it and there's something to me. Okay.

I'll just lay all my cards on the table. I, I'm, I, you want this Alex Jones to come back. No, I identify with him. Okay. You take, all right. You take away the racism and stuff like that. And that's the life I fucking wanted for a long time, just being able to talk on a talk show, like a, have your own fucking radio show and really love it.

Like I can feel it. I can feel his enjoyment of this radio show and it bums me out the path we know the next decade takes in his life. It's another story of capitalism running you. We need to have a for real, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Christmas Carol situation going on here. Yeah. He needs to be visited by the ghost of Jakari Jackson. Mm hmm.

Well, Jakari, I don't even know if it's around back then. Let's see. There we go. Yeah. Then he'll be taken into the past with Jakari Jackson. He'll go see what it was like whenever he knew a black person. Mm hmm. Uh, those were the days.

Uh, then Larry Elder might still talk to him, then, uh, uh, the ghost of, uh, uh, Jerome Corsi, uh, will take him to the, uh, DC office now and he'll realize how boring Jerome Corsi is. And that there is no DC office. Yeah. So it'll change his ways. Jerome Corsi at a fucking hotel room. Yup.

Yeah. So David Knight will take him into the future where he sounds a lot like David Knight. It'll be heartbreaking. Wow. And so then Alex will, exactly. And then Alex will realize the error of his ways and he'll get back together with his first wife. Mm hmm.

I don't know if that's a good idea. No, I'm going to go with no. I guess not. He'll get back together with one of his 150 high school sweethearts. That could be. Well, like, uh, and maybe, maybe I'm willing to accept that there is a part of me saying like he is a re not reasonable, but he is a, uh, a not terrible voice in, uh, the media landscape because I identify with having your own radio show and like how exciting that

was like, I can a little bit of a surface connection there. Yeah. I know it's possible, but at the same time, like, I don't know, I, I, as, as these words are coming out of my mouth, I realize I can't defend these. They're kind of like, um, I can't because I know that like he's still basically saying all government is evil. You should be afraid of everything, right? Which is really the bedrock of what makes them a problem.

So no, fuck that. Yeah. You're just, you're saying right now, like I identify with Alex because he enjoys having a radio show. Yeah. Like that's a very different thing than I like his voice being available to anybody at any given point in time. Yeah.

I, it's, it's such a really difficult line to walk because a certain amount of paranoia is useful. Too much paranoia is dangerous, but having a paranoid voice around is, is good to check some of the, uh, underlying assumptions that we have, you know, so you're saying he's moving the overton window of paranoia, so to speak, not, no, pushing us, no, pushing the discourse more towards paranoia, but not all the way towards his paranoia. No, what I'm saying is back then there is a, there is a purpose in society that he's fulfilling to some degree, which is being, like you said, that crazy voice, that guy

who yells stuff and like maybe one time out of 50, he's right. But that, but because of how crazy it is, it causes you to take a step back and reexamine your positions. He's not that now, no, but going back and listening to this like same guy doing something very different back then, I guess maybe it's sort of, um, growing pains or shock of jumping back in time that I'm experiencing this and like, this isn't so bad. I think that's just, that's, that's cause the bar is set so low now. Yeah.

Yeah. Whereas like we gotta, it's like, he needs to be arrested now. He's going to, like he's going to get people killed now, whereas back then it's like, yeah, he's just going to get people to believe dumb stuff. Yeah. All right. He's a, he's a relatively benign character now. He might reinforce some people's underlying racism or fears of various things, but I mean,

that's, if you look at what was going on, unlike Fox news in 2008, it's really not that different. No. It's not, it's, it's no different than libertarian or conservative, just stock and trade a bigotry to some extent. So I don't know. I'm having a very, which is not something that we want to, uh, yada, yada, yada over. No, absolutely not.

I don't think it's good, but I mean, in terms of what we talk about, Alex is far worse than that stock and trade stuff now, like in 2018. Yeah. But isn't he still denying a Sandy Hook and all of that stuff? Not in 2008. Well, I know, but I mean, isn't he still denying like a Timothy McVeigh and all kinds of white terrorism? It doesn't come up as yet.

I haven't really heard him talk about it much, but yeah, I mean, that is part of it. Yeah. That's part of his. Yeah. Fuck him. It's very, I'm still going to go with fuck him. It's very complicated. It might just be because he doesn't, uh, and if it weren't for this, Alex Jones, he wouldn't

have built up the, uh, rabid listenership, uh, that makes up his racist, horrible fans. I'm not certain about that. I'm listening to these shows and I don't see how he ever got popular quite frankly. Like from what I've listened so far, he does yell stuff every now and again, but it's not like, I don't like his voice right now. He sounds very nasal and he's got that little upturn at the end. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting to, to think of the trajectory of like this being 10 years ago and we know that he go, he only goes up, right.

It gets to like this. I mean, he's at a plateau now. Oh yeah. Higher than this, but it's, he's going to crash very hard soon. One of the things that's being reinforced in my mind is that like that growth is not organic, like cause like we listened to that, you know, 15 minute interview he had with Dean Adele and like he just had all of his narratives busted and a doctor pointing out, well, here's why you got to be very careful with statistics.

You got to read other studies in conjunction with the studies that you're trying to, he's like, bop, nope, vaccines. And I don't understand how anybody listening to his show wouldn't think like, oh, Alex doesn't really know what he's talking about. He, he, his own positions are being undermined on his show back then. Yeah. But never underestimate the absolute hatred that a lot of Americans have for anybody who knows fancy learnings.

Yeah, that's true. Anti-intellectualism does go a long way. Yeah. So anyway, in this next clip, uh, Alex Jones has a new, another narrative that he's going to pitch. I would call it the junior varsity narrative of the show. Uh, and it's about your blood. States hand over the DNA of newborns to the department of homeland security.

I want to spend some time on this. You want all of your children, 35 or younger. You've been put in a legal international database. All of them. Now you're conditioning just kicked in. You went, wait a minute, homeland security, six years old. I know that I'm going to read the actual documents. This is real.

He doesn't. That blood they say goes to the health department for a blood test. Did you ever ask why the, why the hospital couldn't do a blood test? Your blood publicly went to a federal database and then, and then to an international database. Okay. For DNA testing, DNA backgrounds, they claim they own your child's blood. They make DNA patents out of it, new proteins and things, but now it goes to

homeland security in the national crime database with murderers, bank robbers, everything else. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You want to be slaves you're going to get to be and I want to tell the cops something you think you're on the winning team. Just drink more fluoride water from your masters. Inject your children with mercury filled shots. Just trust the system, go ahead, serve it.

Let it well come back with a DNA databases in your cable boxes watching you. So maybe it is too much paranoia. He tossed that one off at the end like that was no big deal. Maybe it's too much paranoia. So what are you stealing your blood? No, by the way, your TV box is watching you. Anyways, we're going to get off to the break. What he's talking about is real.

It's true, but one of the reasons that your hospital doesn't do those tests is because they don't have the capacity to those tests. It's kind of expensive to have that kind of facility. So, you know, I keep it in the same place whenever somebody else can do it. And there are, there are some issues and the ACLU in particular is working and has worked towards this idea because there it goes state by state in terms of like, so what they do is they take blood from your baby and you get screened for all sorts of diseases at birth because some of them

are things that can be dealt with very easily immediately, but will be like unreversible later. Right. So it's a very important thing in terms of genetic conditions to do that sort of thing, but the issue does become that a lot of that information from the tests and the blood can be stored depending on the state for long periods of time. Okay. That's great.

And tests can be done in terms of like the data that comes from it is incredibly valuable in terms of tracing, tracing correlations in order to track genes for other genetic conditions and things like that. Now, a lot of the time that information, it's unidentified. It has all the identifiers taken away from it. Your name isn't connected to it or anything like that, but it is still a very weird area in terms of consent and privacy and ACLU is working and has been for years trying to like, allow people to have their rights in terms

of if they feel violated by that, taking people to court and that sort of thing, which is a much more. Well, there's the story of the black woman's blood and genetic material that was cultured again and again and again for like 60 years or something like that, and it's one of the most important samples in medical research history, but they just never told her about it. We only found out that it happened like recently in the past five years or so. And it was all done like, Hey, we just stole your stuff and now it's copyrighted

and patented and all that stuff. I'm not sure if it's a copyright or whatever, but yeah, they just stole her information and used it willy nilly, but so to speak. I mean, I don't want to phrase that comes from Ishtar and the bit. Wait, what? I don't want to minimize it, but like, what was she going to do with that information? You know what I mean? I don't know.

I don't, I don't think that like it's great to blindly trust things like this. Right. But at the same time, I don't think it's right to be blindly paranoid about them. Yeah. Because there are incredible medical advances that were probably made by Oh, for sure. This woman's yeah. But like, I think, I think it's a licensing fee, right?

If they steal and use your blood and then keep selling it, I would say, give them a licensing fee. They can have my blood. I don't have the very least of finders fee. I don't give a shit. Okay. Have my blood. All right.

I'm not using it. We're going to see like 15 Dan Chimeras and it's going to be awful. That'd be great. They're going to be terrible at parties. Oh man. But we'll have an awesome podcast. We'll have a network. So I was reading up on this and different Chimera for different propagandist.

There's a article in Newsweek from 2014 that sort of really brought things home for me. I'll just read to you here thinner than average with serious shadow dies. Kevin Anderson, 36, has worked as a filmmaker for over 10 years. He's traveled throughout Europe and the America's producing web and sports videos, news packages and documentary shorts. In his infancy, he was diagnosed with a rare genetic condition. Commonly referred to as PKU, where the body cannot properly break down protein. Throughout his life, he's taken medicine and followed a special low protein diet.

But other than these restrictions, he enjoys a healthy life. Recently, though, he stumbled across this video that showed people with undiagnosed PKU. While he had often heard stories about what would happen if he had never treated his condition, quote, I'd never seen pictures of it. I'd never encountered it myself. So it wasn't quite real to me, he says. And when I watched that video, he trails off choking up, pausing until the heartbreak passes.

It just captured me. I had the sudden realization that I would have become mentally retarded. I would have been in an institution had it not been for newborn screening. And that story is true for thousands and thousands of people every year, not just with PKU, but with all sorts of conditions that would deteriorate their life. It would be a situation, like I said, things are treatable and manageable. Initially, but later will not be right. You can't go back.

Right. This screening stuff is absolutely essential. Yeah, but it's been referred to Alex hates all preventative medicine. You know, like he hates vaccines. He hates going to see the doctor. You should just buy like bullshit pills. Like he despises any kind of actual solutions by every account. Newborn screening is one of modernity's biggest medical success stories.

So suck it. Yeah, that's what I would say. Right. Um, and also, also this article brings up something really interesting. You know that 23 and me, that company where you'd send a swab in and they tell you your genetic history. Is that what they do? Well, yeah, they would tell you 23.

Yeah, your ancestry. Yeah, tell you where it comes from. Um, but it's interesting here. 23 and me, a consumer genetics company will genotype your DNA and provide you with ancestry related reports and raw data. Previously, 23 and me's reports included odd ratios for certain medical conditions. But in November, 2013, the FDA prohibited the company from continuing to sell health reports as they could not be analytically or clinically validated.

In reality, a health report may just be the most enticing carrot. 23 and me was able to dream up in order to get your DNA in its computers. As noted by the authors of an article in the New England Journal of Medicine, quote, 23 and me has suggested that its longer range goal is to collect a massive biobank of genetic information that can be used and sold for medical research and could also lead to patentable discoveries. This characterization is not denied by 23. That's fucking genius.

This characterization is not denied by 23 and me, which tells Newsweek, quote, the primary mission of our company is to accelerate genetic discovery. That's fucking amazing. So here's what they do. Let me finish this. Okay. So the real money then isn't selling you a health analysis. It's in using and selling your data for biomedical research.

It's not much different from how Google, Yahoo and Facebook give us search engines, email and social networking for free, only to sell all the information they gather to anyone wishing to market products to us. 23 and me has already conducted research funded by the NIH and collaborated with academic and industry partners. The company offers customers who buy personal genetic reports, the option to participate in its wider research program. Currently 23 and me stores data for more than 700,000 genotyped customers.

And of these, more than 80% have not only opted into the research program, but have also actively answered survey questions. And here's, here's where it comes down. The way, there's a quote, the way information becomes really valuable is when we can start to look at genetic information and also understand phenotypic data explains the company representative. Research looks something like this. After first isolating all the customers who have stated on a survey that they

have a particular allergy, say a cat allergy, a researcher might run a query to see if these customers share some genetic mutation. And with further analysis, find out where those variants are located in the DNA. Quote, those are the things we want to explore. 23 and me says, but we can only do that if you answer questions. Particular participation in biomedical research then really has two parts, consenting to use your genetic data and providing your personal information to enhance the value of the data.

Right. So if you look at that, just from a consumer model that 23 and me is using, that's what these biobanks that the information that comes from the babies at birth are going into. Yeah, they're the same sort of thing. They're tricking people like chances are they were just sending out random generated medical reports, right? I don't know.

Reports like that's the reason the FDA said that they can't do that anymore is because it's like, we can't, we, we don't know if we can confirm this. So you could be lying. I think if it was randomly, probably would be sued because that would be the sort of thing that they could. Yeah, but how would you know? Because that would have to do that would come up in that would come up in like

an audit or something like that audit. If the FDA is telling them not to do it anymore, they've probably looked into what they're doing. I would assume because the idea that you can't back this up, they would have an opportunity to say, we can back this up. There would be a conversation. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Also, that's what I'm saying.

They don't want to. And they, because it's, because it's like a random ass thing. I don't know. Like they're, I don't think it's the same thing as like giving a horoscope or something like that. I think it is. Okay, fine. I think that's pretty much neither of us can prove it.

I think that's pretty much what the FDA is saying. Next point. Yeah, it's neither of us can prove anything. Fair enough. But then they're just keeping and selling your genetic information. You're giving up all of that information to them. Keeping, keeping it and selling it to use towards breakthroughs in science that can be used to possibly isolate where these allergies come from and be

able to make it so people don't have to suffer with those allergies anymore. I have friends who are allergic to like wheat. I know somebody who's allergic to sunlight. You know, like there are really crippling allergies. And if there were some sort of breakthrough that could be made, I think there's a lot of people whose lives could be greatly benefited from it. Probably. Now that's assuming that all this isn't being abused.

Yeah, I don't know if I like a private company having all of that information able to be sold to anybody though. It's in their fucking small print and people are paying to use their service. Right. So I don't think that these people have any leg to stand on. And I was looking for it. I can't really find any abuses. Like I can't find instances of abuses of this genetic information flu season

was particularly bad this year. You think that's because of the, uh, all I'm saying is if I was going to use a database to genetically engineer a, uh, a strain of the flu that could kill 90% of the population, I would definitely call 23 in me. The flu season did not kill 90% are we sure yet? Maybe it was a test run. It could be. It killed dry run.

A third of a percent of everybody who got infected or something like that. So anyway, what I'm getting at here is that, uh, you know, Alex has again, the kernel of something that's like, eh, there is a privacy issue that, you know, more responsible bodies like the ACLU are working on and have been aware of an active on, yes, uh, where his paranoia and fear leads people to ignore the more important and, uh, socially and medically important elements of this. So that seems to be sort of a runner.

Yeah. Uh, yeah. I mean, I don't have too much. What would they do with like, I keep trying to think of a negative thing that they could do if I, if I gave them my genetic information, they could copyright your genes and be like, I own your body or something like that. Is that a thing you can do though?

I don't think so. I feel like that wouldn't hold up in court. No, I don't think so either. I don't know. I don't know exactly what the fear is. He's never really super specific on it. But anyway, let's get to this next clip because it's fun. Put your mic down because this is another delightful moment in 2008.

Alex Jones. Okay. Out in the West Texas town of El Paso, I fell in love with a Mexican girl. The face scanning cameras were wonderful. I had to thumb scan to get in the bar. The police demanded a drug test. Me, I refuse. They tazered me five times and I had a heart attack and died.

Blue the meter. I had that article here. It's all part of being a slave and I love it. It's so much fun. Oh, please beat me more. I'll stop. This is the Easter front show, you know, that's the West Texas way.

Wild America, wild and free face scanning cameras everywhere. Everything you do track that scene and down in a drink. He was sharing with cricket, the leaner, the girl that I love. But he gave her the drink filled with fluoride and she collapsed in a coma. This maiden come with his hand for the gun that he wore. That's enough. My challenge was answered in less than a heart. But I wasn't allowed to own a gun in America anymore.

And I wasn't allowed to fight either. You know, in this country, the kids aren't allowed to play tag or dog ball. Now they're bagging, now they're banning, running during recess. Again, everything's prison. Great. So that was Marty Robbins, great song El Paso. I know so many musical comedians who are jealous right now. Those chops because that writing, are you kidding me?

So good. Oh, yeah, get nailed it. Get out of your way. Weird Al. Fuck off. Yeah, absolutely. Get out of the way of Alex Jones's improv musical comedy. Get him on whose line.

Yeah. But like that, I mean, that's still kind of sing the wrong song over another song. That's kind of still charming. Not as fun as the highway men, perhaps, but still. It's nice that he takes time out of every episode. I love it so much. Beat me. He, he listens to an entire country song at least on every episode, which is delightful.

And I like that song a lot. I think everyone knows it because of the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad features it pretty heavily, but it's a great song. It's a great song. It's a good song. El Paso, Marty Robbins. I'm not going to say it's not a good song. But, you know, all those, all of his lyrics in there are mischaracterizations of stories,

which is fun. I gave that woman some fluoride to drink. She passed out. And I don't have a gun. Great. So in this next great stuff, in this next clip, I've been a little bit too generous to Alex throughout the show, perhaps already. And we'll get to now why it's he's still bad.

He's still bad in 2008. You're right. Go ahead. Yeah, when I was going up the canoe with my dad, um, we saw about four helicopters just flying, like just real close to the ground. Those don't exist, sir. And then back up just on the highway. Highways don't exist, sir.

Like big, uh, a lot of cops just all around running out operation. That's good. Keeping you safe. But if you say you don't like what they were doing, they don't exist. You say you appreciate it and want to live in a police state. They do exist. You understand how that works, sir? Yeah, you got to learn how to work like the average yuppie.

A yuppie thinks as long as they claim in their own mind, they're winning and that they're on top of things that they are, that's a loser's creed. Is that the analogy is somebody, his business is falling apart. Their competition's kicking their butt. They'll say, Oh, that I'm my competition. They're in deep trouble. Anything else you want to add, sir? Certainly doesn't.

What? He was trying to give him like, uh, he was trying to give him an assist. He was like, Hey, we went up to Canada. There were four helicopters and the police were doing an operation. Go to town. Alex, tell me what was going on. Give me a conspiracy theory. And Alex was just like, Nope.

No, cause Alex uses you bore me. Alex is using it in service of a bigger conspiracy theory. And that is that like, Oh yeah, you're not supposed to worry about that stuff. You're supposed to, if you, if you believe for a second, if you believe for a second, if you believe that, that those people were probably just there doing some sort of a routine thing or some sort of operation, you might be a globalist. Right. I was waiting.

I was waiting for you to finish in the middle. So I still want to wait for me to finish. You were waiting for me to finish. I was being polite. It's a, were you, that's hilarious. So in this next clip, just back to the, back to that last one. The mentality is just like, you're an idiot. If you believe anything is not a conspiracy, basically.

And that's a really dangerous mentality for him. And that guy sounded young. That caller sounded young. Well, he went up to Canada with his dad. Like that didn't sound. He might be in high school. Yeah. And when you speak to people, you should not, you shouldn't reinforce the worst

parts of their, their mentality. I think he's doing that to a certain extent. But again, he's just being a dick to this kid, man. But again, I'm fucking torn because of stuff like this. Yeah, I've got a syndicated radio transmission reaching millions every week, Monday through Friday. That's not enough for me. I get my butt in my car and I drive down to the studios of news radio 590 K LBJ.

And we jack into the satellites and blast out on the MNF M dial. Communities across this country. Chomblecast on the internet, tour wave worldwide. We're not giving up. We're not going down without a fight. Go to toe with the new world order scientific dictatorship and the big egghead scientists at the top that work for the big old bankers, the robber barons, the black nobility of Europe, the Machiavellian system.

Go to toe with the humanization 110% never back and now never surrender. Yeah, it's not the kill, ladies and gentlemen. It's the thrill of the fight and I can smell blood. We're going to bring them down. They're afraid. They've tried to dumb you down and turn you into a bunch of nerves that understand the world really works. But you're starting to wake up.

You're starting to feel the freedom again and you're starting to wake up. Big brother doesn't like that. He pop in there. That's a joke folks. We're back live. Yeah. That was the best high school football speech I have ever heard my entire life. Move over, Coach Taylor.

Go fuck off. There are two people who are moving over today. Weird Al, Coach Taylor, get out the way. Cloudy eyes, closed hearts, can't lose. Can't read. He is so fucking into this. I love it. I love it.

There is a there is a like you know when someone likes what they're doing and it's infectious. Yeah. And that that comes off man. He just did a minute and a half yelling about how much he loves his job. That's all he was doing. I know all that other stuff isn't real. The black nobility of Europe.

No, he's fighting against the black nobility of Europe. The black pope. It's it's all that's going to be easy. You've got to fight against both popes. All that stuff is so like it's all not true. But man, the passion is. Oh, yeah. I was ready to do a radio show.

Fucking dig it. Yeah. I can do another two hours of this show now. I'm fucking wrecked. I do not like the other stuff. I mean, I don't like the other stuff about like, you know, telling his collars to be afraid being like, you know, be afraid that government's going to steal your blood. That shit.

They will fuck those moments. I think what I'm getting at is I just don't want to be a nerd, Dan. I don't either. I want to wrap. I want to wrap it up the show, but I want to wrap up my feelings from earlier. I think in by saying that like we have empathy with human empathy. And I think what where I perhaps to our detriment where I say that like Alex is much better than it probably comes from a place where I can feel him being a

happy man. Yeah. I can feel him. Even if he thinks all this stupid government paranoia fear, all this stuff, even if he thinks all that's real, his place in life is right. This is where he belongs. Yeah, that's a really good point. The worst thing that ever happened to him is whatever artificial success he had

at some point after this, because he's lost his way. He's lost his soul entirely. And it probably has much less to do with Trump than we think. Like, cause it's probably before that even like, cause when we listen back to stuff from like 2013, 2014, he wasn't on the Trump bandwagon and he's still like not as happy as he is there or when he's listening to highway men. Right. He's fucking where he belongs.

New plan to fix Alex Jones. Now, I don't think it can be done, but I think I know where you're going, but I don't think it can be done. We get him to coach a little league hockey team, a little league radio team. And then they'll go up against Iceland and they'll win and it'll be amazing. He'll fall in love, but then he'll realize that that's not the woman for him. He gets a cut out of George Soros. Exactly.

This is a distraction. This is a fire in a barrel. This is a distraction in a fire in a barrel. Burn. The flying conspiracy theory. So in this next clip, Alex gets really blowhardy about history and religion. Oh, they can even use the same slogan. Quacks, ducks, quack together.

Quacks, fly together. So I can make a judgment about a culture being degenerate and the Aztec culture was degenerate and very satanic. I mean, you want to go down there and actually look at the They didn't have Satan. Just thousands of skulls carved in the walls and just hell raiser, man. It was like hell world or something with just these power tripping priests whacked out of their mind on drugs.

And by the way, the main meat for the public, the reason the general public liked the sacrifices is they had a set couple of sacrifices every day, even the smaller Temple centers around villages. Nope. You know, they would have villages all around and then a central city where they got their orders and they would kick the dead bodies of the people they sacrificed every day. It's set up and sundown and the people would get select meat cutlets. In fact, you got the local sub priest class would hang them up by their feet and cut up

the sub priest class and sell the meat out at reduced prices. And so you make less is good. I don't think that's good. And so the main meat and the treasured meat was that of the children. So and I've interviewed top anthropologist on the subject. I'm probably with Elcada because I'm against that now. Just worship this car. Everything's fine.

Why know about religions or background? Just be ignorant. Just just march madness. Everything's fine. Just trust your government. Everything's gonna be fine. Cool, cool. Cool, cool.

Blow hardy weight and that. Human sacrifice in Aztec cultures is actually really fascinating. There is, first of all, it happened monthly. There was like 18 month calendar that the Aztecs operated under and they'd have different specific sacrifices that they do to specific deities every month. And the role of the one who is being sacrificed is actually really interesting as well. Generally speaking, what the Aztecs believed was that their gods who came before sacrificed themselves that humans might live.

That was a foundational aspect of Aztec beliefs. I mean, it's Christianity too. In Jesus was sacrificed so we would live without sin. It's not uncommon in religious traditions. Christians are just less hardcore. They weren't always. That's true. That's a good point.

But the people who were being sacrificed, generally speaking, were very willing participants in it because they understood their role in the drama, the cosmic drama that was being played out. And anthropologists who have studied it find it to be almost unbelievable that people were forced into the sacrifices most of the time. There were some that were. 00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:21,060 But most of the time they couldn't really have been because so much went along with being a sacrifice.

Like you had to lead processions. You had to give speeches, have people sing songs, go and talk to people. Like there was a really ritualistic part of being the sacrifice. Right. And so this idea, first of all, they were doing it multiple times a day is absurd. Yeah. Except you'd run out of folks. Except in the instance of like christening new temples to Quetzalcoatl and stuff like that.

Then they would kill a lot of people. Ooh. Then it would be like they're varying reports on it. But like what would people who've like who really study to come away from it with is that like it's Spaniard propaganda for the most part. Yeah. Because the Spanish who came in and conquered, they needed to justify a lot of their atrocities. Yeah.

These sandwiches were saving lives. Right. The way they justified their actions a lot of the time would be like they killed 80,000 people trying to christen this temple when in reality it might have still been in the thousands, which is a lot of people. That's too many people. Right. But they did like a four day festival.

It's you know, it's spread out a little bit. I mean, it's that's hard to organize. Right. The organization, the infrastructure for being able to kill thousands of people in one, in a few days, that's rough. That's a lot. It's a well oiled machine. Yeah.

I mean like what are we talking? How many per hour? I've never asked the question how many sacrifices can you do per hour? But now I want to know. Well, I mean like what do you think like 20? The propaganda argument or like that's just what I'm choosing to call it because a lot of people have suggested that it is. Yeah.

Was that over the great pyramid of Chitlán in 1487 when it was built that they sacrificed 80,400 people in four days. Wow. Would go to 14 sacrifices a minute for the four days. Wow. Which is I think generally speaking, pretty unbelievable. The real number is from people who have like looked at it more critically is like maybe 10,000, which is still a ton.

And then old Aztecs who talked to missionaries told of a much lower figure, probably about 4,000 people, which is still a lot. But it's part of their religious cosmology. And it's I don't know enough to fully break a lot of this stuff down, but from looking into it, the role of sacrifice of humans in their culture was really fucking fascinating. They'd have played out wars between different Aztec cities where the goal of the war was not to kill each other. It was to injure someone, bring them back to be sacrificed.

And the people who were on both sides knew that that was their role. Were they to be injured? It was like playing out a drama through warfare where you were actually trained in warfare. Like, you know, you're in practice, but then also, you know, you know, sacrifice, you know, that if you get cabonged in the head with a rock, you're probably going back and taken to the temple. Right. It's, it's fascinating stuff.

Like it, I looked into it and I realized that that is not the inspiration for flag day. No, it's a false cognate. It is. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um, it, it, other cultures are fascinating and looking at them through solely the prism of our own culture is, it's a definite way to end up hating other cultures or thinking they're worse than you.

Yeah. But then also the cannibalism aspect. There was some cannibalism. I like the way that he described it too, because he was like, you would get sacrificed and then they'd kick you all day and then you would get down the steps. Right. No, he said they'd kick you repeatedly all day. Like people would kick you all day.

Yeah. I don't think that's what he said. And then they would hand out the meat because it sounded to me like what he was describing is that because of the kicking, you would get really tender human meat out of it. That's why you misheard it. That's what I was thinking. Whatever he described it thusly. He said, they kick, they kick you down the temple stairs.

That's what, that's what he was getting at. He said all day though. No, he didn't. Oh yeah. He was saying that they were doing sacrifices all day. Got to tenderize the meat. Whatever. The issue is that like early anthropologists thought that because of the ecology and the

where the Aztec cities were located that they wouldn't have had a ready source of protein and that so this sacrificing of people was a way to create a source of protein. Yeah. And later studies have shown that that thinking is probably wasn't true. Yeah. Because there were plenty of sources of protein. There's like lizards and weasels, salamanders, fowl. There's all sorts of birds and shit.

Yeah. So like they had maize and what have you in the other other crops that could feed their carbohydrate needs. But the theory of humans being needed for protein is not accurate. But don't get me wrong. Some people did get eaten. But people still get eaten now. But sometimes you're going to get eaten.

But if it was this big societal need and everyone was clamoring for human flesh and what have you, it doesn't make sense that they would then take a lot of the organs that would be the best eaten and sacrifice those to the gods. You know what I mean? Well, that's what they do in Crystal Lake. Illinois? Yeah. What do you want?

What? Starting a new rumor. I think Crystal Lake eats people. Okay. There we go. I'm fine. And they sacrifice the choices cuts to Ishtar. The tastiest giblets.

Yep. So from here on, Alex gets pretty dumb, I would say. Okay. But it's back to Ishtar and holidays. Love it. So let's jump into this. Black day. Alex starts off on one topic and jumps to...

This is another reason why I think he just fucking loves doing radio and no one being able to tell him what to do because he doesn't make any goddamn sense in this clip. He just goes from one topic to the next to the next to the next. It's a show. It's real simple. Christianity was oppressed and dominated and attacked for several hundred years after Christ. Then a Roman emperor decided to adopt it. Constantine.

But the occultist wouldn't go away. And so they hid everything basically in plain view in all of the saints and all of the different holidays and when they celebrated Christ's birthday. You know, that's for the middle of the winter, the darkest time of the winter. That's just a way of like looking at probable reality from the other side. You could say that those pagan symbols and pagan figures already existed. And when Constantine took over in the early, so like 330 maybe, is that when he became emperor or something around here?

Somewhere around there. When he came to power and converted to Christ, Christianity, he took the pre-existing things and relabeled them in Christian tradition. So as to appease the populaces together, you're trying to run a fucking empire. I'm amazed that Alex isn't on their side because it's like a massive government is telling you what religion to follow. So you should be on the pagan side. You would think you'd be on the pagan side being like,

I don't want the government telling me what God to worship. That's a good point. You know, when it starts then getting lighter after that, all saints Eve is on the date of when they celebrate going in to the winter, out of the fall. I mean, they have all of these sowing. They're all on key occult dates all over Europe, all over the Mediterranean.

Again. Right into Asia. You're looking at this backwards. And they hide them in plain view. The body rabbit is the fertility symbol. The egg is the fertility symbol for Ishtar, both of them. The Babylonian goddess of fertility was worshiped all over in her different names. Every culture has a fertility goddess.

This is all pre-Christianity stuff. And the big Baptist churches with a big fertility period. That is the male phallus. And that is the Washington Monument. They'll give you a tour and tell you that. It is a giant male member. The capitals are women's breasts. Washington's dick.

The doorways into them. I'm not going to go any further. This is mainstream architecture. Let's talk about puzzles. Mainstream historical input. Temple priestess. You don't get a tour of the Washington Monument or of the Texas Monument. Or the goddess on top of the Texas capitol.

They're very point blank about it. And that's because pre-dating Christianity, and then really taking over Judaism under Solomon, the son of King David. You know the Star of David? Do you know what that is? That's the most powerful in occult black magic. That is the most powerful symbol. If you read the Old Testament, Solomon couldn't put the genie or the demon back in the bottle.

And so God gave him that symbol to have total control over devils. I'm not saying this is real or not. Robert Williams? I'm telling you the history. So the Star of David is a black magic symbol. None of this is not really the Star of David. It's the seal of Solomon. See, nothing you've been told is what it really is.

So they openly call Easter Easter. Nothing was your saying, is what it is. You run around talking about Jesus. And if you actually look in the Roman annals, it's three months off from when he was actually crucified. I gotta shut this down. He rambles for a long time. He gets into like, why does the sun look red when you look at it?

It's dust. It's dust. It's a lens effect. It looks, uh, shut up, Alex. But you see, you get what I'm saying. Just rambling from topic to topic. Yeah, whatever it is. Anything that he can think of in that moment

that you're wrong about, he'll just throw out there. And guess what? The historical record that he's talking about, about Jesus being crucified, isn't the Jesus that we're talking about. Like that's just another guy named Jesus who got crucified back then. It was Jesus Tralfaz. They crucified a lot of people back then,

and the Jesus that he's referring to from the histories of like Josephus and other historians from back then is not the Jesus that Christianity is based around. There were a bunch of Jesuses. It was, uh, it was not a singular name. Well, chances are the Jesus that they're talking about is an amalgam of different characters. That's what most people believe.

It's not even like a real thing. From what I understand from talking to religious studies professors, uh, not, not my dad necessarily, but, uh, there, the historical Jesus belief is that there's two Jesuses who've been conflated. The one that Alex is referencing was just a guy named Jesus who got crucified. And then there was a hippie rabbi also named Jesus.

Slightly different time periods don't quite match up perfectly who all the sayings are attributed to. And history, history, and especially, Dan, you know what I hear? Especially Paul. Paul is particularly guilty of this because he was the one who wrote all those goddamn letters that ended up starting all these churches and, uh, like in Ephesus and Corinth.

And that bastard. His, his, uh, work, uh, probably had a lot to do with the conflation of the two. Yeah. So I don't know, but whatever Alex is talking about isn't accurate. What I'm hearing is a Prince and the Popper situation. That is already.

What do you mean? Uh, why, why, why would you have a hippie rabbi? Why would that come about? No way would that happen then. Do you know what it was? Yeah, I would. It was some random Jesus. There were a lot of them.

It was some random Jesus who was walking around. They, he met this other guy named Jesus. They looked a lot of like twins. They were twins. Right. All right. Jesus had a secret twin. Okay.

They switch clothes and live out their lives. And it turns out this is a real morality tale. Okay. It turns out that the rabbi, if he didn't have his robes, he would have just been a criminal and that's what he became. Okay. And the Jesus, if he had just had a rabbi robes, he would have been Jesus.

See, this makes perfect sense. Makes total sense. I think I've, I think I've nailed this. I think I've just what finally got to the bottom of the Jesus. All you need to do is add in an explanation for why the sun looks red sometimes. Right, right, right. We're there. We're perfect.

I was going to switch to a King Ralph, but no, can't do that. That's a great morality tale. Yeah, can't, can't fit that one in there. So in this next clip, Alex, rambles more about goddess worship. Just be aware of it. I'm not saying you're going to hell if you put out some Easter eggs. Just, just a point is realized it is a pagan ritual. And the occultist, you know, they openly laugh about it and say,

look at all these idiots out here, they're practitioners of this. You ever seen the movie, uh, dragnet with, uh, Tom Hanks and Dan Aykroyd? It's really funny. And, and, and notice it's the local preachers, actually the devil worshiper. Well, that is how it actually works. The cops, the drug dealer, uh, the, the, the, the, the big megachurch pastor, he's the high priest, uh, locally, generally. I mean, you have hundreds of cults that usually run all of them.

And that's just how it works. Dragnet reveals truth and they've got the big steeple. That's always been true. So here he's saying that if you have a big steeple on a church, what does that mean? Oh, that's a big dick. You're all in there and it's, it's a, it's a, uh, that means that this is a patriarchal religion. You see, the religion has a dome.

It's goddess worship. I'd like to ask you. Like a rock of the dome. Yeah. Like mosques. Like what are we talking about? So Alex's whole idea about oppressing women is thrown on his face. I think Islam being about oppressing women is kind of against his weird esoteric

nonsense that he's rambling about now. Churches and dicks. They got domes on, on, on, on mosques. Goddess worship. Uh, you know, uh, uh, uh, yeah, it makes sense. Domes. All the domes are diaphragms. Let me tell you another little esoteric secret.

Wherever you find a war memorial at a Capitol or anywhere else, look around you. Let's say you're walking along next time. You see for the 5,000 dead in the cavalry battalion of whatever from civil war, stop and go, wait, there'll be a goddess looking and look around you. Go and you, you will see within a hundred yards up on top of big pillar. There will be a goddess and she'll have her hand outstretched towards the sacrifice. This is all over the world. Wherever, or vice versa.

You're driving along and you see a goddess on top of a pillar, or you see it on top of a Capitol, or you see it at a university. Go and stand in front of her and then look and, and, and within about a hundred degrees in front of her. Also at a lot of yards, a lot of courtyard or a lot of courtrooms, they'll have like a lady Liberty, you know, a statue or something like that. Oh, there's a goddess in the courtroom because she demands injustice. Oh boy. I mean, this is just such nonsense.

This is the thinnest shit in the world. The idea within a hundred yards. No, that's, but that's, that makes perfect sense. Within a football field, there'll be a statue of a goddess. Now are we talking square footage or are we talking radial? But look at, I mean, like think about it. It has to be radial, by the way. Yeah, well, but I think it's so dumb.

Like most places that there are memorials are probably graveyards or some sort of big monument. And the idea that there would be some sort of statue for a goddess does not, that that's right in line with that stuff. It's not, it does not to me ring of like some esoteric order being like the goddess demands blood. But that's how Alex sees it. And that's interesting. You know, in a wedge, in a wedge shape fanning out in front of her, generally straight in front of her, there will be a sacrifice.

They will put a dead warm memorial in front of her. She needs blood. And so the practitioners of this religion, they had to be secretive about their Mithra cults and their Ishtar cults and the rest of it. So are there you loja coats, cults? Remember, even ABC News admits that the bushes worship you loja, the Greek goddess at Scrooge and Bones. You see, and if you study Hitler, he worshiped a goddess. And this is just what they do.

So I hope I've answered your question. You haven't. What would that have been the answer of a question? I don't even remember what the caller asked. To what question is that an answer? Well, I mean, I think the caller was talking about, can I put out eggs? Because at the beginning of the clip, he says, you're not going to hell if you put out eggs.

What question could it be answered with? None. Hitler worshiped a goddess? None. That sounds right. So do you know about the Greek goddess, you loja? No, you couldn't because she doesn't exist. Well, that's what happened.

Neither do WMDs in Iraq in 2003. Must be. Yeah, because they were worshiping a god that didn't exist. Crack the code. Yep. So you loja is a fake goddess that was created by the skull and bones. And they're trying to create a mythology around themselves when they first started.

That's dumb. Yeah, it's very dumb. But I mean, the more you look into the beginning of the skull and bones, the more you realize it's just a lot of dudes who didn't get into another frat. And then they started something really weird. And it's gaudy and deaf. What is it with any time weird, repressed white dudes get together, you get some weird shit.

Like the KKK, grand dragons and all that shit. And you're like, guys, you're amway for racists. Like, come on, why are you doing wizards and grand dragons and all that shit? Well, I mean, even like Alex breaking into Bohemian Grove, that stuff is like just repressed old white dudes. Getting weird with a showpiece play in the middle of the woods. Right. Yeah, I don't know.

I'm not sure exactly what it is. But I do kind of identify with like, if you're really rich and powerful, you probably get bored. And, you know, that sort of pageantry is probably like, spice it up. Let's go, you know, maybe go do some gay stuff in the woods for a little bit. That sounds like a good weekend. Yeah. So, I mean, it's probably much less mysterious than we,

our brains like to make it out to be in the same way that skull and bones, all of that stuff, like about jacking off in coffins and stuff like that, it's probably not true. Or if it is, it's just weird dudes jerking off and finding an excuse to do it in front of their buddies. And more likely than not, what the reality is, is like, hey, these weird fucking dudes back in like the 1800s, they couldn't get into other prestigious frets and like orders at, was it Yale? I think probably.

Yeah. Who cares? Burn them both down. All right. And so they just got together, created some fucking weird and they're probably nerds. And so they're like, let's do something as death, death stuff. Yeah.

01:17:18,580 --> 01:17:21,380 They watched, they read a little bit too much Tolkien. Right. And so that. But the Silmarillion, not the good shit. Right. So that influenced them and they created this weird thing. And now we all have to pay the price because people scream about it all the time. Anyway.

Stop creating weird shit old white dudes. Yeah. Uloja does not exist. Anyway. In this, we have one more clip to play because this, this show is not like, he just talks about Ishtar through most of it. And it's like, you can't beat that drum too hard. But he says something towards the end of the show and this is how he exits.

And I have a lot to say about it because it's, there's a lot of problems. Just like our government used al-Qaeda to attack the Serbs, when the Serbs fought back, they handed customer over to the Serbs. You didn't know the history of a researcher. That's a Senate report on that. I want to explain this again to you very, very slowly. Our criminal government created al-Qaeda. They use them to attack the Serbs.

Now they're using them to attack the Iranians. But that isn't enough for our criminal media and government, corporate controlled media. They then come out and say that Iran is funding al-Qaeda and that Iran was behind 9-11 and that Iran is attacking Iraq with al-Qaeda. It's the opposite group. They're at war with the CIA and al-Qaeda. Now I'm not saying they're good. All governments are evil.

The history shows you that. The point is al-Qaeda is run by our criminal government. That's a historical fact. The hijackers were all U.S. government agents. It's all documented in my films. So that's how he ends the show. With 9-11 was an inside job? Yeah.

That's a great way to end the show. And it's all documented in my films, blah, blah, blah. But it's not... Also it was the Saudis. Right, but his films are also not accurate. So the two things that I want to say is first that mentality of all governments are bad is really, I think, what more is motivating Alex. Like all the militia stuff and everything that...

He's really an anti-government guy. Yeah. And it's weird that now he's pro-Trumpian government. But be that as it may, I think that that really sums him up in terms of his politics. He's not a libertarian or anything like that, except in as much as that libertarians want almost no government. But... Highest authority in the land is the local sheriff, Dan.

Absolutely. That's just a true fact. So he's talking about al-Qaeda being used to start things off in Serbia. And it just so happens that I have recently been reading this book. It's called The Trigger, Hunting the Assassin Who Brought the World to War. And it's about the guy named Gavrilo Princip. Who killed Prince... Franz Ferdinand.

Yeah, Franz Ferdinand. To start World War I. Yeah, that dude, that fucking dick. The reality is in the 90s there was an Islamic faction from out of seas. Out of the country called... There was a Mujahideen in Bosnia. But the way Alex is presenting this is really fucked up. I'm just going to read to you a passage here from this book that I read recently.

And I'm like, oh wow, this is very relevant. The Muj from Bosnia were highly secretive during the war. But while I was researching this book, I made a breakthrough by tracking down one of the foreign Muslim fighters. It turned out that he grew up a few miles from my hometown. Shahid Butt was just two years older than me, born in Birmingham to parents originally from Pakistan. Working as a reporter, I had first seen him in a Yemeni court in 1999

after he had been arrested and charged with terrorist activities committed in Aden. His brummy accent being memorably out of place in the far edge of Arabia. That would be... It would be more than a decade before I was able to sit down and talk to him about Bosnia at a cake shop serving Arabic tea and pastries in a Birmingham suburb with a particularly strong Islamic community. The thing you have to remember is that when I was growing up in Britain in the 1970s, we had a difficult sense of our nationality.

He said, This was a time when the streets around my home would have walls painted with APL and huge letters that stood for anti-Paki League. And all through my teenage years, people like me were being abused in the streets, getting beaten up, having dogs set on us, that sort of thing. Back then, just leaving your front door could get you in trouble. When I left school, all I wanted to do was serve as a soldier.

I wanted to be a Royal Marine, right? It was the time of the Falklands War, and the Royal Marines were the best of the best, all over the tally and in the papers. So I went to a recruitment office and asked to join the Royal Marines. You know what they told me? They said, We cannot have you because you're a fat Paki.

So do you know what I did for the next year? I ran around the streets near my home in boots with a rucksack full of bricks. And I went back to the recruitment office 12 months later and asked to join the Royal Marines again. This time, you know what they said? Well, you're not a fat Paki anymore, but you're still a Paki. In the early 90s, he started to attend mosques where some of the first radical clerics were beginning to preach.

It was around this time when the war in Bosnia began, and he watched video cassettes showing Bosnian Muslim victims of the war. Quote, It's very confusing to begin with, to see these Muslims with blue eyes and blonde hair. It was not like anything I had seen before, but it was very traumatic, overwhelming, you know, just to learn that people were suffering like this just because they were Muslims.

He joined an aid convoy arranged through his local mosque that sent out two coaches from Britain, full of supplies intended for Bosnia, with the plan of bringing back refugees. It ended in chaos as the vehicle got no further than Zagreb in Croatia and was unable to cross the border into the war zone. Quote, There were these guys who were meant to have organized this.

I said to them, You said you were going to do one thing and you end up doing another. We fell out. It was useless. So after some prayer, I joined up with a guy from London who had a van full of supplies and we managed to drive into Bosnia. I'd never been out of Birmingham,

and there I was all of a sudden in a war zone. We gave out the food. There were lines and lines of people and they took it all, and that's where it came into my head. The media likes to say a Muslim like me only fights because we're some kind of crazed psychotic, but it was not like that. I went to Bosnia to bring humanitarian help,

and after the aid ran out, what other humanitarian help could I give apart from protecting them? These people could not protect themselves, and that's how I could help. I would fight. My mate with the van went crazy. It's not like it is in the films, he said. Are you for real?

How are you going to fight? You don't know anyone here, and you don't have any weapons. He went on and on trying to talk me out of it, but I'd made up my mind. I wrote a letter to my wife, which he took with him, and then he was off in his van. And I sat there six o'clock in the morning, the sun still rising next to the road

in a town called Travnik. So he gets picked up by a guy at the side of the road, and he ends up joining the Mujahideen forces. And so he says mostly he was training and training, but on a few occasions they were real fighting. I don't want to say I was a hero or anything, but the times I took part in attacks, which were really heavy. Yeah, a guy's on either side of me getting hit,

that sort of thing. I saw myself as a traditional Mujahideen. I was a fighter, sure, but I was fighting to help the oppressed, to protect them against an aggressor. It was a noble act, and one that I would do again. But these guys who take part in suicide attacks, they're not true Mujahideen. They're killing innocent people,

and for me that makes no sense at all, from any point of view. It makes no sense from a religious point of view, as it's not part of my religion. And it makes no sense from a military point of view, a strategic perspective. How are you going to win the hearts and minds of people if you kill people who are not involved? Bosnia's role in the evolution of modern Jihad

has largely been overlooked, but in Shahid I had found an example of what can happen when the anger of young people is ignored. Western politicians who stood by when the worst atrocities of the Bosnian War took place, ethnic cleansing, death camps, genocide, inadvertently provided Islamic militants with a rallying cry they would later use to justify acts of terrorism.

Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, there's another passage, a really short one, that I think really sums up some stuff that I just want to grab here real quick. This is a quote from another guy that he was traveling with, the author here, Tim Butcher. He was traveling with an interpreter, and he's describing what they ended up experiencing

because he lived through the war in the 90s. And he was a Serbian Muslim who were, largely speaking, I know there's a lot of ins and outs and difficulties in terms of the Croats and the Muslims. There's a lot of complication in terms of what caused the worst parts of the Bosnian War in the 90s. Spoiler alert, it was Flaubert Amalovitch. Yeah.

But this guy was a Bosnian Muslim in those times, and this quote really stuck with me. And then all this shit comes along in the 90s. Suddenly it matters if you're a Muslim or a Croat. That stuff had been parked for years, for decades. Those people who said these people have always hated each other were just being lazy. In my own life, I saw people from different communities

work together, live together, get married even. There was nothing inevitable about what happened in the 90s. It was just that a few, the extremists, the elite, the greedy, saw nationalism as a way to grab what they wanted. Ha. Ha. Yeah. Ha. Ha. So the thing that...

That's such the same story that you hear from... Everything. Yeah. If you want to go to Germany in 1937, you go back and you hear those stories of like, we lived perfectly well next to all of our Jewish neighbors, and then one day it was like, no Jews allowed, and so many people just will go along with it. Right.

Like the hatred and... Scapegoating in the name of nationalism. Yeah. Everything I've read about that particular conflict always goes back to that situation, and then after the war ends, which, you know, its ending is up for debate. Right. But it was like, everybody tried to just forget,

you know, like, oh, that wasn't me. That wasn't part of me. I never hated you guys. Right. Because you have to try and live together again. Like, that's why... And that's the experience that he runs into this Tim Butcher as he's writing, essentially what he does is,

he's writing a travelogue trying to follow the footsteps of Gavrilo Prisip from a small town to Sarajevo. Right. And, you know, he runs into Croats and Muslims, and along the way, everybody is kind of like almost... It seems like there's almost confusion about what ended up happening. Yeah.

And because it's very difficult to look in the face, the reality of what you can be caught up in. Right. And the importance of that, I believe, is, first of all, Alex is fucking lying about Al Qaeda being used to start the war in Serbia in the 90s. Right. Horseship.

Yeah, that's absolutely nonsense. But beyond that, the greater truths of what happened there are so applicable to modern time. Yeah. And they would be such a good lesson for Alex to learn, especially seeing that the guy who he really is in favor of in 2018 is presiding over one of the worst instances of racial scapegoating that we've seen maybe in our lifetimes,

for sure. The idea of the ramping up of ICE deportations, the attempts at pinpointing every single Hispanic voter in various places to prove the voting rules. The idea of posting and publicizing immigrant crimes. Those sorts of things are all the steps that you will find if you look deeper into the history of sysms that end up taking place.

Like what happened in 1930s Germany. Right. Like what happened in the lead up to the war in Serbia in the 90s. These sorts of things that you're talking about when people just break and they're like, I used to be fine with my Jewish neighbor and now I'm not. They don't happen mysteriously. Like it's not like you wake up one day and you hate your neighbor.

People teach you to hate your neighbor. And those are the steps that people take to get you to hate your neighbor. Yeah. And it's fascinating to me and very depressing. Well, and the story he tells is the story of terrorism and miniature. Like this guy was attempting to do good, obviously. He was going out there doing everything he could to try and help people who the Western governments just watch die.

Right. You know. Like that's a whole another foreign policy question that you can have. Like what's the correct way to do all of that stuff. Shahid's an example of the more realistic story of the beginnings of radicalization often. And thankfully for him and the world, I guess, he didn't end up going down some sort of I'm going to bomb people. Right.

Root, but you understand how easily that can get flipped. Oh, of course. The wrong influence. The wrong person in your ear could be the difference between someone who goes trying to give humanitarian aid who decides to fight to protect the oppressed and the guy who straps a bomb on. It's not. But that's not the but that's not the initial inciting factor.

I mean, the inciting factor is complete oppression. Right. Like or or just and I've said this before and you know what? If you want to talk about horrible shit that the government has done killing one and a half million civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and everywhere we fucking drone bomb people. Yeah. Is is definitely on par. That's definitely on par with great murder towns.

Definitely. Like we're we're not the good guys. No. And the same thing is true there with terrorism of we send a drone bomb to get a terrorist and wind up killing 20 people around them. Right. And you know what? You're one of those kids who survives and you look and you go great.

You killed the terrorist. You also killed my family. I hate you. Right. Who's who's bad? You're you killed my family. Like I'm going to be like I would absolutely see why people become suicide bombers and become terrorists is because fucking you killed my family.

You know, like I'm I totally get it. Yeah. Yeah. I in terms of understanding it or if you want to go with if you want to go with the Saudi terrorists who perpetrated 9 11 if you want to go through there that goes back. Yeah. No, that's in the oh no. No, no, no.

That's those are the pages. I understand that. I understand that. Are we not allowed to say that? No, I just I understand. Are we going to get fat? No, I understand that and that's fine. But I just am wondering the direction you're going to go with rationalizing

No, no, no. What I'm saying is the reasoning. Okay. The reasoning behind it is America's actions protecting Israel and doing all of those different things and using military force to do so. Right. Like there you go back to why these great acts of terrorism happen and you find that it's oftentimes just a constant tit for tat going back and back and back.

Like it's not like it's not like 9 11 happened because they hated our freedoms. Right. And it's not like any of this stuff happens because Muslims are crazy. Yeah. Or anything like that. I think maybe more eloquent way to put what you're saying is that the the results that you see always have a cause and the cause is generally trauma and it's it's directed trauma. You know, it's in the same way that seeing your like your town blown up by a drone or whatever

would create it's it's it would definitely make you susceptible to somebody saying that you can do something exactly. 01:33:09,380 --> 01:33:09,940 Exactly. You're a young man. There's a causation glitch that we have in society. And I mean, we can go back and forth and constantly bicker and argue about like, you know, hey, well, we wouldn't have drone that village if there wasn't that terrorist we were

looking for there. Right. Then you can play out like, what was that terrorist's beginning? Oh, he had some other atrocity before him. Like, yeah, well, why did that happen? Because we were fighting X, Y and Z. Well, they could go back to the root of it. But I genuinely think that I don't know.

I think a more productive path would be to recognize that we are the ones who can change things much more effectively, right by stopping doing that. Well, that's that's the thing. And I wanted if you wanted none of this to happen, I think ultimately the if you go back in time, if there was one thing to change about 9 11, it would be immediately afterwards. If we actually said as a country, like we forgive you, like for real, like if we just said, you know what, fine, we're going to build it back up the exact same way. Yeah, that would have that would really hurt the country.

It would have murdered it like the entire country would have gone insane. But that's the only way really to stop that circle of violence. Perhaps. That's really what it is. I'm not entirely sure, but you might be right. That's why I think that as far as nuclear war goes, eventually somebody is going to drop one. And I think the only way to stop everybody from dying is for the government to go like, that's that.

You can't do anything. I don't know. It's a tough conversation that's full of all sorts of vagaries and who knows. Right. But anyway, we got to wrap it up. You got to show tonight. Yep. But guys, if you want to check us out, we have our website, knowledgefight.com.

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Show your friends. Sure, please. Yeah, just show them. Show them. Just show them. Point at it. Yeah. Wherever, where the sun rises in the east, pray six times a day to not wait.

No, not where we're not what we're doing. Nope. Anyways, who do I'm going to say for the, I want to, I'm going to name one. Okay. Me because of because of my being too nice to Alex Jones at the beginning of the show. Well, then I can go fuck myself and go fuck yourself. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.