Knowledge Fight - #130E: Endgame, Part 5

Episode Date: February 23, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan complete their coverage of Alex Jones' terrible "documentary" Endgame. It's been a long and difficult road, but thankfully, the home stretch includes some demonstrable lies about... carbon taxes and an accidental exploration of San Francisco cyberpunk culture.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan the voice you will hear shortly is my co-host and dear friend Jordan This is our final our fifth and final installment in our ongoing coverage of Alex Jones is very very stupid Soft morrick and mature ish. I could come up with a number of other Not very complimentary words to describe it documentary. It's called end game and it sucks This is the end This is the final chunk and you may note that at this point Jordan and I are a little buzzed We're a little fed up with the bullshit. Just tired. It's There's an there's an endurance aspect that comes into this when you're seven hours into stopping and starting a very bad
Starting point is 00:00:44 Documentary to point out. Oh, this isn't true. Also. This isn't true It gets it weighs on you and you may sense that a little bit here in this final installment But there's a lot of good stuff to look forward to there's a couple of my favorite things certainly that we run into and Without giving anything away the final shot of this documentary is in hindsight an incredibly funny piece of history Or Alex Jones. I won't I don't want to give it away. Anyway, I hope you guys enjoy this Thrilling conclusion To our coverage of Alex Jones and end game Oh, also, I'm not going to come back at the end of the episode because the you know
Starting point is 00:01:27 The episode has a natural and I don't know if we give any plugs at the end So, you know, you can check us out at knowledge fight comm knowledge underscore fight on Twitter We're on Facebook. You can find us We have a special private group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant But you can join up and hang out and you know You know, just mix it up with the other policy wonks out there. It's on Facebook. We're on iTunes. Anyway, thank you all so much Thanks to everyone who made this possible and I apologize that there's still two more hours left of this for you to listen to Alright, enjoy Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding
Starting point is 00:02:07 Hi, so he's he's kind of worried about the ecosystem more than he is about humanity and he makes especially about how your feelings are Yeah, fuck your feelings. Yeah, my Ben Shapiro. Fuck your feelings. Fuck your feelings, bro I'm Jersey Shore Ben Shapiro. How you doing? Are you going all right doing good? We're on hour nine here the money ball No, just trying to make him look crazy. I know was able to turn the corner and become the leading world We got a quote because they have a police. We got a quote watch Just another air. Oh Dr. Eric's probably said it, but who gives a shit. That's also slightly
Starting point is 00:02:46 Movement has now shaken off much of its Nazi baggage And as you see, they did a bit concerned about the environment pretty sure everybody still thinks not see when you hear eugenics Most people don't Everyone wants to breathe clean air and have good water but the controllers of the environmental movement have done nothing But co-op people's concerns and parlay it into support for global policies that further destabilize the third world and create untold misery Okay, okay, phony environmental and conservation groups are now the biggest private landowners in the world they he
Starting point is 00:03:27 Flashes up on screen here the Sierra Club and the nature Conservancy while he's saying that phony conservation groups are the largest private landowners in the world, right? funny Funny because that's not true John Malone the owner of charter communications owns 2.2 million acres coming in at number one In terms of the private landowners in the United States. That's That's the number one number one in private land owners Mm-hmm is the guy from charter charter communications
Starting point is 00:03:58 Another reason to want the guy from charter to die my boy Ted Turner coming in at number two with 2.1 billion acres He has a lot of bison needs that land Why is it that it's cable companies? It's very weird. Well Ted Turner got kicked out of that in the 90s But still still Turner these conservation groups that are listed aren't even in the top hundred of the private Oh, yeah, yeah, oh, yes. Are you saying it's billionaires? So when you were saying it's all billionaires when you look at the land available in the United States There's approximately 1.9 billion acres of usable land in the lower 48 states of that 139 million of those acres are considered to be developed urban or rural residential land 349 million acres are used for cropland
Starting point is 00:04:41 747 million acres are considered forests 788 million are range or pasture land where animals can graze Alex cites an article here that asserts that nature conserving Conservancy there manages 7 million preserved acres and owns 2 million But that does not tell the whole story for instance 15.5 A 15 500 of the acres that they own are part of palmaa atoll a series of acres and lagoons
Starting point is 00:05:09 1,000 miles south of hawaii Doesn't really seem like what he's talking about in terms of controlling america You own something out in the water. Well, you own refland. Yeah, it's in the middle of nowhere. It's an atoll. Oh, no Atolls are pretty sweet. Yeah, I would want to control that at all It doesn't really seem like what he's talking about. Um, but also they bought a bunch of they bought this thing called the bakka ranch Uh, 10 100,000 of the acres that they own are that and they just bought that to Finish up the land that was required for the great sand dunes national park Plus they have offices in 30 different countries
Starting point is 00:05:45 So there's no reason to think that all of the land that they own or conserve Are in the united states What there really is reason to think is that they are in the job of conserving land. Yeah, that's kind of what they do I'm sorry. I think I said that uh, john malone and ted turner had billions of acres. They're in the millions. I apologize I had to catch myself there Um, so when you look at the freak me up for a second when you started talking about the millions and then I was like They have billions of acres millions. It's still Shit still it's a shit ton, but it's scarier if it's billions
Starting point is 00:06:19 So now when you I don't even know how big an acre is let alone how big a billion acres, but yeah, but yeah, okay So when you look at the question that's my favorite response to eddie How big is that by yeah when you take it outside of america and you go into private landowners in the world Oh, yeah, no, we're fucked. It becomes a really interesting thing Because alex is even more wrong The largest Saudi Arabia is owned by a guy named kevin king abdulla king kevin He comes in at number two with 547 million acres that he owns. That's crazy number one The queen of england coming in at 6.6 billion acres way far above everybody else
Starting point is 00:07:01 Are we sure that's still okay because the monarch of england retains the royal title over the entire british commonwealth So she technically owns the entirety of all british land feel like that Okay, it's the same thing with talking about keith. All right, edward the eighth technically being the king of the roman Or the british church right britain. Yeah, I get where you I get what you're doing shape it up with his formalities I totally get it. You got to get her name off that shit. Yeah You gotta just don't just get it off the Don't leave it on there. Yeah, we all know it's symbolic We all know that now, but there's going to be a time where maybe people don't get her name off the lease
Starting point is 00:07:41 The pope is number three. What if she's laid on her bills? Yeah, she might default the pope is number three because he technically owns all land owned by the catholic church Plus vatican city. So he comes in at about 177 million acres worldwide Past that you just have a list of kings who have different countries that they own the entirety of And then you think about like authoritarian countries like russia and china technically the heads of state own All of the land right there, right? So all this stuff these people like so when you start to look at this doesn't work for america It doesn't work globally. He's saying nothing and he can't prove anything what what you really see when you start to talk
Starting point is 00:08:20 about How much land these individual people own and how silly it is for them to own that land you start to realize well People can't really own land like who owns land Like what are you doing in russia? In russia, right? You're putin. You own all of russia, right? Yeah It's not your land. It's people's land. What are you doing with it? It's people's land. What are you doing? Yeah, why are you doing this stop it for real england take the queen off the lease do it And canada take her off the money canada leave her on the money. She's cute there. She actually technically owns all of canada
Starting point is 00:08:55 What yeah, that can't be real it is lobby government to take property away from local populations Only to develop it themselves later That's not true when the u.s. Military dumps millions of gallons of nerve gas on the east coast of the u.s They don't say a word Do they thousands of companies are currently putting a map on the map hybrids. We're not worried about chimeras animals and insects And releasing the new organisms in the global biosphere pretty quick, huh? How did we get to chimeras? We were just at women are allowed to vote. He's pissed off that these fake conservatives Conservation groups aren't talking about about chimeras being released into the wild
Starting point is 00:09:41 He has legitimately no citation for air chimeras being released into the wild Even for our show with our history. It's a bit much harsh turns. It's a bit much To go from and let me hold on. Let me start at the beginning. This is about bill derberg At one point then it got into about texas roads No, it's no because first it was about world war two And then about bill derberg. No, but bill derberg caused world war two Yeah, I guess so and then roads and then roads and china and then china then then population control And then then I got mad harsh turn into
Starting point is 00:10:20 Spider goats are real. Well, they are Uh, I get that in a certain sense. I get that I get the sense within which they are real But all I'm saying is I felt like we spent the good first hour and 25 minutes on the first two bill derberg and creepy roads Don't worry. And now we're near it. We're we're headed around the final corner. We are we're right near the edge We're right there. And then all of a sudden he's like, yeah And these conservationist groups don't even care about chimeras being released into the wild You can't just turn like that. Oh, you can't isn't your documentary about something I want to tell you something jordan
Starting point is 00:10:57 What you're not taking into account is that alex jones is a fucking pro and he is going to weave He's going He's gonna weave this all together. Do you ever see this is gonna come together in the end? Do you ever see like a stand-up comedy set? We're like, what the fuck is this guy talking about and then 10 minutes later? Like this guy is brilliant. He weaved it all together. Yes, that's what he's about to he's not gonna do that I feel like that's not gonna happen He's not gonna do that because i've seen other people try to do that far more often and failed miserably the end of this Is so fucking funny to me. Uh, I keep building it up. It's gonna be a disappointment
Starting point is 00:11:31 But I love the end of this documentary. Well by the speed at which we're going we're gonna see that end in two hours about two weeks Yeah Vandalizing the very genetic code of the planet and large environmental organizations do nothing The corporate elite of the planet Intensified their push for a global taxation system with a year-long build-up to the live earth hysteria held on july 7th 2007 Seven seven hell yeah world leaders announced
Starting point is 00:12:06 Saving the earth was the new organizing principle for humanity and hailed it as the planet's new religion First of all, uh worshiping the planet or nature is not a new religion in any way it goes back No, it's the newest probably is the oldest so old. It's new. Also. I'll never forget how disappointed I was when uh, I was sitting in Greece watching this live earth concert. Yeah in the middle of Athens I was like, I just got done rocking to somebody. I don't know who it was and uh UB 40 comes out. I'm like what? UB 40 wait, what's ub 40 ub 40?
Starting point is 00:12:44 Of course they opened with red red wine I was like ub 40 came out. Fuck this. All right, and then when metallica came out I forgot to mention this. Well, they were immediately followed by a Shit, what's there? Shit the ones who did i'm blue, but dava diva dava die eiffel 65. Yay Because they were red red wine versus god damn it. That would have been so much better. We're agreeing. I would die I'm so disappointed in my reference skills right now. So metallica minus five points. You're right. I agree Metallica came out and james hetfield
Starting point is 00:13:12 Uh lead singer comes out and before he sings a fucking song Wait, ub 40 is still on stage. No, no, this is because it went to another country It was in a bunch of countries right so like ub 40 did like three songs Just too many for ub 40 uh fools rush in Uh the red red wine that might be it right uh, and then they went to those are the three songs I know of there. I don't know if this is the order of it But then I the other thing I remember is metallica Uh and metallica gets on and before they can even play a note or do their song
Starting point is 00:13:45 James hetfield is just like make some noise if you give a shit I always thought that was so like your heart's in the right place at field. It's so fake rebellious. Your heart is in the right place Yeah Is nice. I think This was during the whole napster situation. So I don't know. I was after that limited 2007. Oh, I don't even remember Um, uh, I also remember afi had a disappointing set. That's all I remember AFI is a disappointing set. Uh, but anyway the idea unless you're talking about the american film institute Uh, uh a fire inside. I believe is what it stands for
Starting point is 00:14:22 Anyway, uh emo shit. Yeah, really? I think so That's what it stands for. I'm not a fan of theirs, but I knew some people in junior high high school Anyway, uh, the worship of earth is not new They claim that co2 which plants breathe was killing the earth And then we must reduce the number of children we have to curtail our carbon footprint So Countries across the world Mark the day by passing new carbon tax schemes and raising taxes on gasoline natural gas and electricity
Starting point is 00:15:03 It is a scientific fact That the sun is the main driver of planetary climate. That's not a starting point No, and it's not a scientific fact It's a pretty large consensus that it's greenhouse gases and all that shit that uh, that is One of the reasons that he believes That the car there's this carbon tax shit going on and that uh, that that all of it is a hoax Is because he really misunderstands, uh, this There was it. There was an instance where a bunch of emails got hacked from the climate research unit
Starting point is 00:15:37 Yeah, I remember that. Um, and they were all taking everybody who hates climate science Oh, climate gate. They everything was super taken out of context. Yeah, I was just It was all very benign email Yeah, also, I mean like do you want to talk about that a little bit so I don't have to read this paragraph I feel like I've just been reading fucking paragraphs at you and I feel very guilty. No, no, no, it's fine. This was great. This was great school. Uh Uh No, if I remember it because because I remember my my dad was My dad and my older brother were all up in this business about how
Starting point is 00:16:19 Oh, no, if you read these climate gate emails It actually shows that they knew the whole time that we were actually in a cooling period And all of these graphs are bullshit and it's actually this graph that goes this direction That's a real graph and the graphs that they've been hiding this whole time are bullshit And then of course six months later everybody forgets about it until you start to talk about it again in which Oh, you remember a climate gate. That means nothing. They ever said was real climate It's always been The same. Yeah, they took a bunch of it. It's like the text messages with the uh, the FBI guy where it's like
Starting point is 00:16:50 Hey, Trump's a fucking lunatic and they're like, well, that's obvious that everybody was trying to screw him over and it's like no They're Trump's a fucking lunatic like it's okay to say what is true The uh, the big email The big email jordan, I don't even want to read it was an email from uh, the uh, the climate research unit head phil jones Where he said that he had used quote mike's nature trick to hide the decline Hide the decline became a buzzword as if this climate scientist were flippantly talking to his co-workers about cheating data The reality is what he was talking about. Uh, he was talking about in terms of hiding the decline
Starting point is 00:17:25 Was a reference to something that is a well known Part of us in the scientific community the tree ring divergence problem As it turns out for a long ways back where we have data for it tree ring width runs pretty consistent paths with observable temperatures However, around 1950 something diverged and the data that's gathered from tree ring samples does not match with the documented temperatures That we know are the case from the times that we have those tree ring samples So we're not entirely sure why that's the case phil was discussing using mike's nature trick in order to present the data that he had gathered in a way that is completely consistent with scientific and statistical ethical practices
Starting point is 00:18:07 Scientists are not sure why the tree ring data started to diverge From observable temperatures, but they hypothesize that it's due to a yet to be discovered atmospheric Uh variable that is probably in play, but was not before 1950 Other scientists speculate that it could be due to the sensitivity of trees And may be a byproduct of changing seasonality that we are experiencing right or increased levels of aerosols in the air That are also causing global dimming could also be vaccines. It could be vaccines could be trees Yes, absolutely. Um, so the the reality is too that The coax have invested about 50 million dollars over the last 50 years to spread misinformation
Starting point is 00:18:50 And so doubt about climate change and that's not even including what xon mobile has spent The carbon brief found that nine out of ten of the most prolific writers who are climate change deniers have financial ties to xon mobile Including I don't know nine out of the top ten. Yeah And have financial ties directly to it directly and I don't seems like that it like you should have to Declare that disclose that there should be a disclaimer. Yeah. Yeah sponsored post guys Sponsored post but because they do it through shell companies and stuff like that. It's like we can sort of or through think tanks Yeah, exactly Um, he's not one of the top ten, but alex's buddy lord monkton who's his climate change denier expert
Starting point is 00:19:30 Uh, he absolutely has uh ties to the uh, the the xon mobile money Here's the chief policy advisor for the science and policy institute think tank operated by frontiers of freedom foundation For years where data is available from 2002 to 2007 xon mobile gave that organization 1,000,000 through uh, 37,000 dollars Great for what I imagine probably nothing Probably nothing also lord. Moncton's a crazy lunatic just to support science. They're just all about science Right being supported xon mobile loves. They just want the science Supported and they hate it whenever science goes unsupported
Starting point is 00:20:10 And it just so happens that the science that goes unsupported is the science of made-up bullshit So they want to make sure that the science of made-up bullshit is supported And it just so happens that the made-up bullshit science that they want supported is of course supporting themselves It seems crazy. Um, oh also, but it's just a coincidence. I swear the sun the sun being the main driver It's scientific back very much scientific back. It's very much addressed by a climate scientist If you want to look into any of the nope, they've never heard of the sun. That's why you can't trust So I can't trust them They don't even know about the sun clear the sun when I was six I read 10,000 books about the sun
Starting point is 00:20:47 They haven't even read one slowly increasing thermal output in the last hundred years Causing warming not just on earth, but throughout the solar system But The scientific facts and even the order of the planets didn't matter to one of the chief organizers of live earth Are are we getting back to do rock child air of the british arm of the Rothschild fortune when we spoke to him When I called Rothschild on the order of the planets He just laughed thinking the audience wouldn't get it He continued to count on the population's ignorance and claimed the global warming lobby has nothing to do
Starting point is 00:21:29 This is his big gotcha from the interview that we did with him. I guess he hadn't spoken with his good personal friend Al Gore Global warming the time for debate is over I think what you have to realize is that being environmentally sensitive and making money aren't mutually exclusive There's a lot of money to be made in in in in addressing this issue But you guys are gobbling up all the world's concern to just simply line your pockets and make kids read your book in schools And do all this. It's a business. Just like you said Rothschild It's not good. I'm do you think I'm making any money out of this? It's the same thing. It's the same thing. You're great. Great. Great grand
Starting point is 00:22:06 Your money changing ancestors did why would you leave me red shield and i'm calling you out red shield We know it's a scam Pollution-based tax system principally. He didn't even leave the part in that he was trying to be What are you doing? No, I think I got you a moment was when he said the planet's in the wrong order not you saying Fuck you and your money changing ancestors. He really did set up the clip wrong He set up the clip for him to we know We know what happens, which is what david rock of that david roth or rothschild
Starting point is 00:22:43 Gets the order of the planet's wrong. You and I know that our listeners know that he made a mistake Now alex sets this up to where you're like, oh, he's gonna play the clip. We have to deal with this bullshit It was an obvious misspeaking He didn't even play the clip if I were fouling I would be like what he didn't play the clip He just you queued up the wrong clip, baby. He played the clip of him being anti-semitic instead That doesn't seem like an accident you're doing that somehow still doesn't seem like a mistake. It seems like what he intends to do He's a nut it it hurts me like that seemed like such an easy slam dunk You set the clip up knock it down. We move on five minutes down the road
Starting point is 00:23:27 We all get to have a good time. No one has to know that you got owned in that debate And instead he's like you're right. No one has to know I got owned in that debate also But I'm a sam anti-semitic Jesus because he has to connect to the beginning of the documentary to the end He was talking anti-semitic shit about nathan roth child at the beginning So now he's got to talk to his ancestor and say you're just medic a shit at the end But you can leave that part implied The point that you got to get to is that I got you a moment because otherwise
Starting point is 00:24:00 Otherwise if you don't do that if you don't hit that home instead It's just you being a dick to multiple generations of everybody I think he might actually play the clip of roth child later. I think he does but at the same time It's inexcusable. He didn't play it. Yeah, that was when you play I think he does play it. Okay. I as I recall he does but I'm just weirded out by I was like And he even gets the order of the planet's wrong now. You're a Jew. Here's me screaming anti-semitic things in his face It's unbelievable the level of mistakes that were made in editing of this documentary are Outrageous god damn it in terms of fact-checking in terms of the bibliography in terms of just like
Starting point is 00:24:50 If I were the guy who was tasked with having to like put this together Because whoever made this it's two and a half hours long or so It would take a really long time to put together all the video and the audio It would be like it's taken us 10 hours just to watch it We're gonna get through this. Okay, we're gonna make it. All right We're causing it mainly vast majority of it the consequences are bad and will be catastrophic unless we act The polar ice caps of mars Have are receding at several miles a year
Starting point is 00:25:25 Much faster than ours And that the moons of saturn and jupiter are melting the fact several of their moons were ice and are now liquid seas Now how are suv's causing that david rothschild? That's because those planets are closest to the sun my friend. Oh, yeah, there we go. No Yes, there it is. Knock it up. Knock it up. Knock it down. Yeah. Pack it up. Pack it in. I think you're fine Right, let me begin. The very simple matter and what I wanted to say and it's my final point To get your taxation theory because actually it's not taxation Put a price on the carbon a tax is the best way cap and trade can also do it
Starting point is 00:26:04 If there were a carbon-based tax would there be a need for a An economy-wide cap and trade system They are not either or We can do both. I am in favor of both I want to talk a little bit about al gore and his carbon tax Connection that alex jones lies about a lot because I actually looked into this and I find it incredibly fascinating
Starting point is 00:26:30 Okay, the carbon tax stuff is amazing How much alex is lying about? All of it, especially al gore. That's a high bar. That's a high bar So um knowing his personal distrust and hatred of al gore I believe he would lie to the Degree I read I read this one blog. I don't even remember what it was and they don't even fucking deserve a citation But they're like Climate change is uh coasting along strictly on the charisma of al gore and like that's the weirdest thing anybody
Starting point is 00:27:02 Do you not know that he is? Stereotypical, yeah, he's one characteristic is he's boring. Yeah the thing Yes Every like I didn't he host snl and every skit was just about how boring he was Did he host snl? I feel like he was I feel like he's just been portrayed on snl Is the most boring guy forever. I might have conflated things but be that as it may so I want to talk about carbon taxes Just I'm going to give you a wrap. I want to give you an example wrap about carbon tax So you want to turn your chair around and sit on it like a youth? Yeah, exactly
Starting point is 00:27:35 So, uh, jordan this year singapore is about to implement a carbon tax right uh in this upcoming year Right, and they've lost sovereignty. So this isn't a tax that should affect citizens at all Uh, uh, I read this this write up about it and here's the quote The tax will affect 30 to 40 large emitters defined as those that emit 25 000 or more tons of greenhouse gases annually The government is looking at uh at changing uh charging between 10 and 20 per ton of greenhouse gas emissions The goal is to incentivize reducing emissions and create a level playing field for the development of sustainable energy sources That are being held down by being left out of large subsidies offered to coal and fossil fuel industries So now if you look at that, it's 30 to 40 businesses that are only going to be affected by this
Starting point is 00:28:23 In singapore and if you extrapolate that it would just be a number of businesses here Maybe the thousand businesses in america that would be affected um, so The reality is that a bunch of countries have imposed carbon taxes in the past. I I Have they reduced carbon emissions because dude get this no no no if i'm if look Based on what I know from listening to alex jones if you implement a carbon tax of any kind The entirety of the world will collapse. So tell me dan that that has happened Many times over so the united kingdom, uh imposed one in 2013 ireland did in 2010 sweden did in 1991 all dead
Starting point is 00:29:03 In 1990 never even heard of finland all these countries saw near immediate results and decreased co2 emissions with minimal impact on the economy And no energy outages australia Presides provides the starkest example of the efficacy of carbon taxation They enacted a carbon tax in 2012, but repealed it in 2014 due to Weirdness in the uh the government Uh things got weird and uh, yeah, people got mad and they're like get rid of that and they're like, yeah, well, all right fine Um, uh, it was not the voice of the people being heard. It was oh, it was industry If there's anything I know about the australian government from 2014 till further
Starting point is 00:29:43 It's uh the will of the people strongly heard So now if you look at graphs of emissions from the time period between 2012 uh and uh 2014 What you see is consistent decrease from july 2012 to july 2014 dropping over 15 million tons in that time That's pretty that's pretty solid. The emissions dropped very precipitously. Right Immediately after the repeal in july 2014 the trend turns around and within five months emissions had gone back up approximately five million tons So there is a very clear cut example of this works This is effective in terms of cutting down emissions Using the examples of countries that have embraced carbon taxation
Starting point is 00:30:27 You can't realistically claim that they don't work to reduce emissions The only argument you can make that's what people said about guns Well, that's also true and australia is involved. They put a they say you've take people's guns away Then there's not going to be as many shooting deaths Bullshit dan. Where's the science? Don't mind the water. Show me a scientist. Don't mind the water. Bertrand. Okay So the only argument you can really make is that emissions don't affect climate change Scientists have thoroughly addressed and isn't the case or that money is somehow being swindled by these climate taxes That's the only thing that you can possibly do
Starting point is 00:31:04 Of course now the latter is a matter of uh, it is really interesting because if that's the case then That's not really a climate change issue. That's a government corruption issue seems like you should deal with it as it relates to that As opposed to seems like you should get rid of those people in the government not exactly Yeah, so this idea that people these fat cats are trying to get rich off carbon No, those fat cats or they're trying to fund the new world order. Oh, yeah No, those guys I am worried about it's interesting because there's the these people who are really strong proponents of pushing for the carbon tax the carbon tax center They include this as a integral part of their proposal quote to avoid kill whitey
Starting point is 00:31:43 That's in there. That's lower. That's lower. Is that lower on the list or okay? Sorry to avoid burdening low and moderating income households carbon tax proceeds should be returned to americans through periodic prorated dividends or Dedicated to reducing the tax burden of regressive taxes such as the federal payroll tax and state sales tax Depending on whether the tax is imposed on the federal or state level There is a precedent for this sort of thing like the alaska permanent Fund where the state of alaska sends every citizen a check for the same amount as payment for the earnings Of investments made from the state's north slope oil royalties
Starting point is 00:32:18 canada canada announced carbon pricing floors in 2016 and This is what the plan included British columbia system is designed to be revenue neutral meaning that the government will take in no extra money from the tax And instead return it through tax credits And cuts alberta's system returns some of the costs to lower income consumers In the form of a rebate and small business taxes have been reduced from three percent to two percent to help help offset costs So a lot of the money that is being brought in by climate Uh, uh, carbon taxes in countries that are using it is legitimately being funneled directly back
Starting point is 00:32:56 Into the people, uh, who are paying for energy right now. Let me tell you why That is a smart idea and why it will never work here Do you know what is more likely to work here? Dan I I I hesitate to answer is if the government implemented a carbon tax said we're using it to give back to richer people and then Ended the somehow everyone would be tricked into being along with it. They would be fine with it There's no way because you can't sell america on something that benefits america. That only makes our crazy people go crazier
Starting point is 00:33:33 Yeah, we're more comfortable with you if you were like, okay, so we're implementing a carbon tax on exxon mobile And that carbon tax all of the proceeds of which will go to subsidize exxon mobiles new home Which we have hired exhibit to pimp out That would be that would be more cool with america than if you're like no no guys We got it. Can we watch carbon tax is bad carbon tax is bad Look, we know we know it's bad. We know you don't like it We know you guys are gonna feel weird about any new taxes So what we're gonna do is we're gonna take this tax and it's not gonna affect you
Starting point is 00:34:09 It's not gonna affect you. It's like the estate tax. Just stop screaming at me about the estate tax I wish I hadn't brought that up I apologize the estate tax only affects that I really I should not should not talk about the state tax in this conversation All right, you're you making a good point. Hold on. It's calm down. Just Calm down. We're gonna take the money away from the people killing your children And we're gonna give it back to you because you need it and your children need it and you we just Your children are dying because of these people and not only are we not taking money away from them
Starting point is 00:34:42 We're just taking away the subsidies. We already give them. Do you know, it's crazy We don't even need to enact a tax because right now you are paying for those rich oil companies to murder your children So what we're gonna do is we're just gonna make that better I get what you're saying, but I've completely lost track of the role play Like I don't I don't know what to do. I don't you're supposed to be the american people I was gonna ask for a binky. That's what I was gonna do. That also is acceptable. You get plus five points That was my comedic instinct was to say I want tax binky Which might have worked if I might have worked if you'd have committed to it, but instead you got nervous
Starting point is 00:35:21 You bailed you bailed. Um, so all right plus five points for the attempted Dammit minus five points for the break even so the big problem that I have is that this is a carbon tax That will be applied to the businesses and what have you but there's no law that affects them Uh, just passing the tax down to consumers, right, which I think is really what should be done Is that no you fucking live with that tax you asshole, right instead of charging everybody more and then the money That's collected from the tax Redistributed to the people who had to pay more for right now, of course the argument against that is that if you tax Exxon mobil or those guys more they're just going to then pass that tax
Starting point is 00:36:05 On to you in the form of higher prices. That's what I just said. That's what I'm talking about right and I say Fuck that There should be something in place that says you can't do that. How would you not do that eat the tax, bitch? How would you not do that? That's my bill eat the tax Eat the tax bitch you can't pass it along that seems like it seems like something that should be able to happen because Otherwise, how because otherwise there's no way for the government or Society to restrain business at all because any time a business is levied with some sort of penalty Or they're levied with any sort of tax. They can do like
Starting point is 00:36:42 All right Well products are a little more expensive. Everyone's going to buy them anyway They have right but that's that is kind of the that is the point of it though is that if you are going to Well, yeah, capitalism sucks But if you are going to do that if you are going to tax like an exon or the like You have to then remove the oil subsidies that you give them in the first place So what you're really doing is making it so expensive to do those things That they are that you are fostering a market change for somebody to do something
Starting point is 00:37:13 You know, like what's the highest growing blood a job creator now is alternative energy Give the subset take all the oil and gas subsidies away from exon and those guys today Give it to alternative energy. You won't need a carbon tax They will go away on their own because it turns out their businesses are Built almost entirely around fucking people over. There's actually some good arguments. I've read for why that wouldn't work But I can't remember exactly what they are right now. Yeah, but there are some compelling arguments about why Oh, I'm not saying that that's like a Jordan fixed it. No, I'm that's not a quick No, but even like subsidies for the uh renewables energy wouldn't necessarily be a positive thing
Starting point is 00:37:56 Uh, I don't remember exactly what it was and I feel stupid talking about it right now. Right. It was a Very well, but there I mean, there's also been massive failures that the government has Invested millions upon millions of dollars in and have exploded miserably. Yeah, because it turns out Renewable energy is hard. Yeah And sometimes which it's almost like sometimes you go down the wrong road It's almost like maybe if you fuck up one time on saving the universe, you shouldn't Just quit. So speaking of that, let's talk about Al Gore. Yeah So alex jones like to say he pretends that this whole tax credit thing this uh, this carbon tax thing
Starting point is 00:38:34 Yeah, carbon tax credit thing this carbon tax all a scam by al gore because he Just al gore a bunch of tax carbon credits that he's secretly going to be making billions of dollars off of if only the world Will uh, get in line with him Oh, man, if alex had known about bitcoin when he made this film Jesus So the accusation that al gore is just making stuff up so he can get super rich on sustainable energy is ridiculously flimsy For that to be true thousands and thousands of scientists and researchers academics and politicians All would have to be lying to support his scam right independent peer reviewed studies would have to be falsified. Yep You know for no reason
Starting point is 00:39:13 Easy just in order to prop up his scam all by people who don't stand to gain anything from the scam themselves I know a guy the reality of this is that al gore started a business called generation investment management in 2004 as a means of investing in and helping move forward renewable green technologies The firm has been very successful because it turns out sustainable resources can be incredibly profitable as a market to be in Quote the message he hopes generations record will call attention to is one that the world's investors can't ignore That they can make more money if they change their practices in a way that will at the same time also reduce the environmental and social damage modern capitalism can do that's from a profile in the atlantic and uh, like if you look at it
Starting point is 00:40:01 His investment firm only working with sustainable business models has outperformed Like across the board almost every other investment firm. I Like that and I it makes me angry. It does matter. It does. No, but it makes me so angry It's not shouldn't be how we measure things, but at the same time good for him I don't know. I don't know who to root for well I I I don't root for I don't root for him implicitly But I root for him in that what his model is is trying to get people to be selfish in the long run Yeah, no, no, I get it that is uh, I think that is a good thing
Starting point is 00:40:39 And the fact that everyone has thought about this idea that what he's of what he's doing I mean like that's not possible and he went and fucked around and did it and now everyone's like Oh, there's a concrete example of making a lot of money Yeah in this and so and he wasn't even trying and he got a triple double. Yeah, he had a good day. Come on. Anyway The architects of the new world order are in a race to complete the structure of oh, that's right. We're still watching So they can suppress the independent development of technologies that threaten their monopoly of power While at the same time not much longer new developments in the direction the architects chart for humanity There's that tree
Starting point is 00:41:26 The technocrats call their governing system the final revolution. No in the past. What about the first resolution forced militarily He's mixing up a lot of things the first global revolution is a reference to the club of rome The ultimate revolution is the name of the speech that aldeck tuxley gave right the final revolution is nothing Now enforcement is primarily psychological and economic and society itself is a construct of the elite Who operate outside the controlled paradigm and control the civilization within Just as a child maintains the environment of a fish tank We are like lab rats living out our entire existence never questioning the confines of the cage or the scientists who experiment on us New world order engineers have hijacked human destiny
Starting point is 00:42:14 His controllers have closely studied human behavior for more than a hundred years and are now steering us with expert control Both were shocked by that. That the sound is great on this. Give that to the point of being able to control the average unconscious person Like a car. Why did tits suddenly show up in this document right after lohan's mugshot? Yeah, you can't give me two hours of bullshit and then tits Here's another quote by 2020 there will be a one-world government ray Kurzweil 1999 Yeah, I don't even need to know you could have just made that up. It's some asshole. It is real But it's actually some asshole said it. I don't give a shit. It's misquoted. It's by 2020 There will be a new world government
Starting point is 00:42:59 This is from his book the age of intelligent machines And it suffers from the same curse that all of his work does namely that he makes a lot of predictions that sound interesting But aren't really based on anything other than speculation Ray Kurzweil has a terrible track record with predictions including such like this Um, so this this was from his book in 1999. These are predictions for 2009 Yes, people use personal computers the size of rings pens credit cards and books The typical home will have a I he's I'll give him two for five on that one What are you talking about people use personal computers the size of books
Starting point is 00:43:37 Um, maybe that's one for four. Well, what was the what were they? Pins credit cards rings credit cards credit card phone credit card phone. I'm gonna give him that way smaller We'll give him one and a half. We'll give him one and a half fine Uh, the typical home has over 100 computers in it many of which are embedded in appliances What is a computer and yes, he's shut up Don't go back to the abacus argument Um cybernetics chauffeurs can drive cars for humans and be retrofitted into existing cars That's true, but we just call them people that we don't talk to uber. Yeah
Starting point is 00:44:11 They work by communicating with other vehicles and with sensors embedded into the roads again As long as you don't feel like uber drivers are people. That's true Um, he's made a number of like sort of solid predictions To like most music will be distributed electronically and most transactions will be made on the internet Like those sort of predictions, but a lot of that is just like that's not it's just pretty solid guess work That's not really that crazy. That is just sort of having a good idea about where technology is going A lot of this other stuff is pretty crazy. That's really wild. Like one of his other predictions was that uh, uh, By 2009 musicians will jam with robot man
Starting point is 00:44:50 I Robots will be capable of the creativity to jam now And then when he was on it when he was called on he was like you ever play guitar hero That's not the same thing. That's all When did he say this he uh couple like it after 2009 so it'd be like 2010. Oh, this is after 2009 They said that eventually whenever like our guitar hero was out so it had to have been uh, yeah like 2009 2010 I'd have been like man, you you never heard of herbie handcock. Robots already know how to jam The important thing to think about with ray Kurzweil is he is a futurist and a technologist
Starting point is 00:45:34 Yes, uh, and so the only thing that he really cares about when he makes predictions is talking about technology Not politics or any other consideration his argument that he's making in this text. Is there a reason to listen to him? What's ray Kurzweil? What does he do? He's a futurist. He also worked for google. He's uh, I feel like futurist is a gig He's a very prominent Uh, uh, futurist is a fucking gig. You know what you can do You know how like alan watz has all those fucking videos that people have online with swelling music behind him giving lectures Yeah, that's the same thing with ray Kurzweil. Oh, shit. Do you want to do that? Yeah, have we not have we Considered that maybe our issue is that we just haven't put swelling music behind us at the right time this documentary
Starting point is 00:46:15 Certainly has a lot of it. It's doing great. Wow. Yeah, fuck. So ray but ray Kurzweil also was like, uh, he was a consultant to google Uh, we'll have you like he's uh, he's a big big time. Ray. What do you think about the future? It's a common. All right, robot's gonna be jamming Um So but but this idea that he's presenting about this new world government not one world government is alexis misquoting Is that he it's about technology. The argument that he's making is that Technology the advances in technology that are gonna happen like the proliferation of the internet and space travel and that sort of stuff It's gonna necessitate greater world collaboration to avoid the end result of complete segregation between nations or destruction Right, uh, as it looks now with china and russia existing in their current state and trump stoke, uh stroking up stroking up stroke
Starting point is 00:47:05 Verulent strain of american nationalism. There's literally zero reason to think that the united government is gonna happen in two years There's zero reason to think a government is going to happen in two years. Yep So this prediction is pretty shit. Uh, alex misquoted it by using the wrong word there, but otherwise fine Also, ray Kurzweil's predictions Not great You Genics dominated the 20th century Truthless spirit has now metastasized into the fields of genetics nanotech and robotics
Starting point is 00:47:40 That's not surprising word eugenics from their inception all three disciplines have been dominated by eugenicist The billionaire founder of sun microsystems bill joy Courageously went public in 2000 to warn of a cancerous consensus among the technocratic elite That at best humanity would be completely enslaved by the year 2030 and at worst Mass extermination of everyone, but the elite would take place god It took so much courage for him to say that he wrote this article Why the future doesn't need us if you go read it it alex is completely misrepresenting it It's a fucking really long boring thing to go through what it is
Starting point is 00:48:19 Is it's too long and we've gone over this on the show already And i've already abandoned my whole thing like this is going to be a standalone There's no way anyone who doesn't already like the show is going to enjoy this of course not the fuck are we doing I don't know I'm realizing that now. I have a couple of really fucking funny things that are coming up still. I promise you I'm so self conscious Oh my god, there's 13 minutes after this documentary and i'm losing it. I'm done. I'm done Like not done, but like my emotional state is so fried
Starting point is 00:48:51 I feel so lost my mind. I feel so guilty that I've kept you here this long. Look. It's look. We agreed We agreed. All right. We were married in common law court. Sure You do a podcast with someone for seven hours your common law married. That's common law married that that is Admiralty law, baby Um, so anyway, uh, go read you can find why the future doesn't need us. You can find this online or don't No, read it. It's actually really interesting. It has nothing to do with it. I was really boring. No, it's boring for us to talk about We've already talked about it in depth. It doesn't say any of the things alexis. Oh, yeah And ray Kurzweil is fucking also heavily featured
Starting point is 00:49:31 There's just more interesting stuff for us to cover the best part of doing this all in one thing is I'm just interested to find out how angry we are. We're both going to be for different reasons right as it ends We're both going to be pissed off. No, I think we'll feel a joy and elation Um, uh, orgasmic orgiastic pleasure. No, I'm gonna go with none of those. All right He's talking about transhumans many of its adherents see only the beneficial aspects of technology's exponential rise Like bringing sight to the blind sound of the deaf and longer life for all
Starting point is 00:50:10 So one of the problems that alex has here with transhumanism is that he's pretending the transhumanism is one thing Right. It's not people do not agree within that community. Uh, that It's they they all fucking fight with each other all the time. Nope. I can't imagine a Transhumanist society fighting with each other and he's pretending literally the entire meaning of your name is trans Humining yeah is be getting beyond what a human is of course getting along with other people trying to get it We are they're trying to get beyond you at the same time and he he pretends that post humanism Was what transhumanism grew out of and no one no one within the transhumanist community actually even agrees that that's true Some people think it's like it is possible that they grew out of post humanism
Starting point is 00:50:55 But that's not a consensus. They all have arguments about it because they fucking argue about everything The problem that alex runs into here is treating a large diverse group as one individual thing He's pretending that all transhumanists believe in the singularity, which isn't true No, uh, or that they agree with anything about anything more than anything else transhumanism is school of theorists They're mostly interested in watching emerging technologies and speculating about how those technologies could be used in the advancement of humanity And what the implications of those uses could be the history of transhumanism has been uh one of bold and interesting predictions Most of which have been wrong in 1999 in a different book ray Kurzweil, uh, wrote called the age of spiritual machines He included a number of predictions for 2009. Some of these have also failed
Starting point is 00:51:40 Uh, this goes back to the this is where the uh, humans jam with cybernetic music musicians. Yeah Translating telephones speech-to-speech language translation are commonly used for many language pairs That is absolutely not those are those are Here pretty much like now like at best not even close Uh, probably within the next decade or so that technology will be refined But no, it's not even close to the the recognition software is not good You can do it, but whatever is going to come out is going to be real fucking. It's going to be brutal It's going to be clunky translation. It exists. I'll give him one. Oh
Starting point is 00:52:18 I'll give him minus one. No, okay. I'll give him minus one instead of minus 10 Most routine business transactions purchases travel reservations take place between a human and a virtual personality Often the virtual presentation includes an animated visual presence that will look like a human face He just watched anime. He got high and looked at clippy. Yeah, that's what happens Um, and uh, his last one the majority of do you need some help with that prediction? The majority of text is created using continuous speech recognition. And that's not even close. No, that one's no good So like that one's actually that one's further away than the other two So I think we're closer to getting an animated
Starting point is 00:53:00 Siri hanging around with us as we buy shit But no one no one has any use for that because you can just buy things through interfaces on like amazon and shit like that You have no interest in talking to a robot on the screen. Super cute No Transhumanism dwells in that same area as motivational speakers to some extent Most of what people know or ever hear about them are flowy speeches that about potentialities And all this fun stuff about human futures
Starting point is 00:53:26 The reality is that transhumanism is much more diverse much less exciting and often bogged down with debates about the ethical implications of Possible future technologies right and Alex is pretending It's all like people like we worship the same gear The most recent transhumanist event of our time has been a dude injecting himself with what he thinks is a herpes cure Oh, sure on Stage in front of everybody else at the transhumanist. Wait. Wait. Are you telling me that he had lord bonkton's?
Starting point is 00:53:58 patented herpes cure No, it was it. It was a it was a you didn't hear about this No, but I've heard about these guys who make themselves cyborgs by like Well, it's yeah, they're like they're implanting little things like a biohacker's conference That kind of thing. So you guys put magnets in their fingers You got the people who got magnets in their fingers and this guy is like, well, I biohacked a cure for herpes What I got herpes and he just shoved it right up his ass. It's pretty great up his ass Is it syringe?
Starting point is 00:54:28 Is the syringe so it's in the cheek? It wasn't straight up there, but you know, yeah You can take artistic license. However, you like it. I suppose so whatever you need at this late hour. All right. Let's let's let's come on Oh, that's right. We're still watching this documentary But what many of them don't know is that master eugenicist julian huxley founded transhumanism And that society's controllers openly admit that the new system is designed to progress into absolute tyranny nope julian huxley is sometimes credited as having Coined the term transhumanism, but that's bullshit
Starting point is 00:55:03 Realistically the roots of transhumanism could be considered You're going to go back to any ancient world stories about the conquest for immortality anytime anytime people are like I don't want to be people no more You could talk about pence de leon's hunt for the fountain of youth any of these sorts of things any of the sort of like I don't want to be people no more These impulses that humans have are just deeply rooted in our condition The man is always sought after a dream to finding external inputs that'll grant them longer life or immortality Even alex jones' own product dna force comes from that. I don't want to be people no more
Starting point is 00:55:36 It markets itself by saying it repairs damage to the telomeres of your dna, which they imply but legally can't claim Will improve your body's longevity He even sells products from dr. Wallach's young jevity line whose name evokes nothing if not the longevity of youth And young jeezy. Yeah, that's true. Also. Those are the only two things that they would do the second is absolutely an accident julian huxley did uh coin transhumanism the term if you ask some people who are wrong Uh in an article he wrote In 1957 Nice shade. Thank you. But the truth is the term had been used by canadian philosopher wd light hall 17 years earlier
Starting point is 00:56:18 None of these ideas about transhumanism were new when huxley was around It's just that he was a high-profile biologist and the brother of aldis huxley and the technology technological advances were much Greater in 1957 than they were in 1940 or in 1924 when jbs hal dain Introduced proto transhumanist ideas in his book die dalas or science and the future Wherein he argues that we will be able to advance as a species through invention But it will all be bad progress if we do not also evolve our ethics along the way So all these ideas that exist for fucking 30 years by the time aldis actually got it got around so what you're saying is Nobody ain't never heard of steampunk before right? That's what you just said hundo
Starting point is 00:57:01 So the world transhumanist association put out two clear definitions of the transhumanist movement in general Which means that all transhumanists do not agree with either. I was gonna say none of them That's part of the whole point of being a transhumanist is you're not stuck with all of this bullshit I'm not even gonna read either. If you wanted to just be a human you wouldn't even do but the humanist bullshit I'm moving straight past those the whole why would you want to be a transhumanist? You're like, okay Look, we need to hack our bodies. We need to change this entire earth is destroying as this human body that I exist in Is not functional anymore. We're all dying. What I need to do is I need to make this massive change
Starting point is 00:57:41 I need to find a way to augment my body so I can survive Wait a second. Are you telling me that I'm just gonna get caught up with all this bullshit with other people with magnets in my hands Fuck this I want to get into a fight. I want to be a transhuman. I want to put more magnets in my hand I want to put more magnets in my hand. I don't want to have to talk to so my asshole about Magnets in your hands is wrong. That's the whole point of putting magnets in my hands. That's your transhumanist, right? That's my hand transhumanist, right? Yeah, that's what I say Uh, yeah, the look the the bottom line is even those two things all it really boils down to is that they've always
Starting point is 00:58:17 throughout their entire history of transhumanism had a very big emphasis on the ethics of Possible technologies, right? It's been an essential part of transhumanism and probably one of the part that makes it the most boring Yeah, uh, but anyway Leading transhumanist Ray Kurzweil boasts that technological advancements will allow those that can afford it to live forever But it means that most won't be able to keep up with the new master race The Drive for world government is now all about who will control and have access to radical life extension systems Margaret that's your husband. Yeah
Starting point is 00:59:03 Biological evolution is too slow for the human species over the next few decades. It's going to be left in the dust Okay, yeah, that's that actually sounds that sounds right. I'd like to know I think I'm on board with that I think he's nailed that I'd like to humble myself before you I have no idea if this quote is real At this point in the documentary I've given up on trying to prove his quotes They're all so fake I don't give a fuck what Ray Kurzweil says. There's whatever it could be real. Could not be We found dad's breaking points and humanist belief three Ray Kurzweil quotes will get him to kill himself emerging with technology
Starting point is 00:59:44 Now it may be within their reach Decades ago transhumanists said that if you do not accept augmentation or enhancements You would no longer be able to get jobs Sounds like now what's happening today. Oh, we totally did it The elite who occupy way I got before we get to this quote, uh, he flashed up that thing about Mexican uh, government workers Have a microchipped an ohio plan had a computer chip. This is all such a fucking nonsense Um, there's two reasons that the Mexican government is microchipping people First is that they have to make sure that access to some sensitive information is contained
Starting point is 01:00:26 Seconds they have nowhere else to put these goddamn microchips. They're everywhere. They're fucking everywhere. Wow These microchips are everywhere. Um, put them in your hands. God damn it The largest issue with Mexican law enforcement, uh, that they face outside of the cartels is police corruption The use of rfid chips implanted in police officers allows a much greater control of access to restricted information evidence lockers That sort of thing chips implanted in arms cannot be faked because they give a unique rfid code for each person And allows a record of who is accessed. What pieces of evidence can't doctor stuff all that shit This could not be achieved using a device planted in a standard id card for the same reason that an id card Could be stolen the id cards
Starting point is 01:01:08 Corrupt officer could just be like hey, someone took my card or something like that Uh, the other night giving to they're not giving them to rank and file employees. These are federal top cops Prosecutors, right because they have a massive problem. The other issue is you're gonna get somebody's hand taken off No, you can't do that because they're so fragile These these things that if you try and take them out of someone's arm or whatever they'll break Well, that's why you take the arm, but you can't walk into a government building with an arm I think someone would be like a guy a guy Hey, hey, no, no, no, no, you put it even in the most terrible parts of mexico
Starting point is 01:01:46 I think someone would someone would be like what's up put it in the back. Okay. All right. Here you go Are you gonna say bassinet? Nope. I'm not gonna say bassinet I am not going to walk in An arm and a baby come on. What kind of monster would I be? All right, anybody order a sandwich? All right, because I got an arm in a sandwich bag for you. There you go Okay, done. Um Get me into that evidence locker That might work, but it'd be strange for the subway delivery guy to
Starting point is 01:02:20 Like wander around. Please don't please don't give weird Eight hours into an alex jone documentary a little bit drunk. Jordan a nice little kick in the arm with Yeah, you could probably rip a Federal employees arm off and then break into the mexico. So it'd be tough. It would be a challenge It would be ocean 17. I could do it. Um, so the other reason But uh, six would be arms. Yes. Yeah. The other reason that they do this, uh, is because there's a lot of kidnappings in Mexico And uh, so a lot of people are getting chipped in order to Kidnappings. Yeah, mexico ranks, uh,
Starting point is 01:02:57 Incredibly high in terms of kidnapping statistics kidnapping jumped almost 40 percent between 2004 2007 in mexico according to official Statistics mexico ranks, uh, right up there with conflict zones like iraq and columbia is the worst countries for abductions So there's a lot of people who are interested in that, uh in chipping for that, right? Right? It's I would prefer not to get abducted. It's not entirely, uh, clear whether or not that Is effective for that but you understand the sort of motivation almost certainly not Anyway, let's get to this like if you're saying that the chip is so fragile. Where are you going to put the chip? And never mind. Let's get to this dumb ass clip. I could probably kidnap you. Here's a dump quote Let's kidnap somebody by the commanding heights of digital reality are suicidal nihilists
Starting point is 01:03:41 Suicidal nihilists know that there is no longer arthur croaker purpose to their willing But they would always prefer to go on willing than not to act at all They can very happily ally themselves with a notion of nuclear holocaust or perfect exterminism So that was a quote from a guy named arthur croaker I looked at the citation that alex gives and to be determined whether or not arthur croaker even exists He gives a citation to wired magazine. Uh, this article called way way new leftists It's not it's not in there at all. Uh, but there's another citation to a publication called mondo 2000 Which was a cyberpunk magazine. All right. Uh, and all right. And so I looked at you intrigued me
Starting point is 01:04:25 I looked into this a little bit. I'm going to tell you a fucking awesome story about Well, was it is it the how the place got its name? Um, it does actually relate to that a little bit, but before I get into that I'm just saying arthur croaker because I read the way new leftists article in wired magazine Uh, he's a hunter s. Thompson. He kind of guy He speaks with these flourishes of like extremism and metaphor and all this stuff So you take that quote with a very large grain of salt in terms of what he's actually talking about He sometimes speaks in riddles if you read other sure if you read why not if you read other
Starting point is 01:05:00 Fucking throw that in there fine But if you read other interviews with him, you come to the conclusion that like I like what this guy is putting down But I don't believe It literally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um If you um, so here we go. So the quote, uh, the here this one about these suicidal nihilists Uh, the these people at the top of the digital reality Uh, it comes from a san francisco cyberpunk zine that was run by a very serious group of drug addicts They started the magazine as a they called it high frontiers
Starting point is 01:05:32 Then changed the name to reality hackers finally setting on the name londo 2000 in 1989 Why would that be the one you settle on guys because reality hackers? They found that they couldn't get distribution because people thought that they were like cutting people up or it was some sort of Their their imagery on the covers and stuff was a little bit extreme and shit like that So the name of reality hackers everyone thought it was kind of like They thought it was like a gore magazine or something like that and so fantastic in 1989 This guy who ran it his name is gnome de plume was are you serious? Yeah fun
Starting point is 01:06:12 Uh, he was watching tv. No, I get it. He was watching tv. I'm gonna subtract five points for them I didn't say I didn't make that up. No, but you pointed it out Fuck you So he came out. He was watching tv and he's like everything is 2000 now all of these These weird names of products are all 2000 and so queen moo the other person involved another negative five points I wasn't there. I didn't do this Queen moo so she came up. How's she doing? She's great. I don't know. She all right. I don't know She refuses to give interviews to this day
Starting point is 01:06:46 But um, she uh, good call lady She came up with mondo as the beginning to 2000 and there we go. They were off to the races with the name It seems like it should be harder than that She had a large inheritance that she had gotten and that was what was running the magazine So it was kind of her her baby to like say that sort of so so her inheritance was mondo Yeah, exactly. Uh, so regarding the nature of the i'm gonna give myself minus five points for that I appreciate that you are correct regarding the nature of all about fairness quote In issue number five in 1992 nagle who was one of the uh, one of the editors
Starting point is 01:07:21 accidentally transposed the names of avant-garde musicians glenn braca and elliott sharp on the cover Rendering them glenn sharp and elliott bronca since sharp and bronca weren't household names few readers noticed But mondo obviously owed them and the author of the piece mark dearie in explanation Rather than yeah, that'd be like getting oats and hall backwards rather than apologize mondo proclaimed the snafu Intentional gracy and zarkov composed an essay about post postmodern Modernism and deliberate art damage or rather they scribbled notes on a napkin while out having drinks The outline was passed around the staff and the concept ended up as a collaborative two-piece
Starting point is 01:08:03 Manifesto on art damage called. What do you say after popo mo? Half of the time we were trying to baffle people into thinking we were deep says hulk trans And having having it to be a pop pop fluff rag at the same time. It was paradise That sounds like paradise. They were fucking that was their game That was their game their game was okay. We got these two names wrong Nah, instead of saying we got these two names wrong Let's devise an entire philosophy around why getting these two names wrong was the exact correct thing to do Done. I love them. All right. Well, mondo 2000 for 20,000 more years. Well, you be fucking high as shit on designer drugs and like
Starting point is 01:08:47 Experimental chemical compounds and shit like that. They had no serious pretense. I love them. Yeah, they're amazing I want to work for mondo 2000. Are they still hiring? Uh, they actually are they just did a Kickstarter and they're coming back But I don't think either of us are cool enough. I think we got I think we got the in They they need a couple of squares to be like this isn't factual They had an editorial policy to where it's like if you interview somebody you can fight them if you want It was just like I was reading this interview about like from people who work there It was like if you go talk to somebody and you don't like what they're saying you can argue with them
Starting point is 01:09:24 No other publication would allow you to do something like that. Like this is amazing These guys were a bunch of assholes They pretended that they were quarterly, but then magazines would never come out Of course, it would be seven months. There's no way you could afford to put out that magazine It's a puff. It's fucking a man. Yeah. So please give me a large inheritance. I will make you a way better magazine So a mondo party might this is a quote from that article about the their history A mondo party might find a time travel expert being interviewed in one room people playing word association games in another Others people fucking in the third room others experimenting with weird mental mind stimulation games
Starting point is 01:10:03 groups quietly chatting in conspiratorial whispers or bart nagle and future virtual reality theorist Brenda Laurel Leaping into the air to see if they could do a complete 360 turn without falling down Rude pornography or japanese animation videos flickered on monitors figures performed frottage or on antique sofas Frottage, that's when you put your dick in a dick No, I know that's what I was Just double-checking. Yeah
Starting point is 01:10:30 Journalists from gq might have been taking a piss on the front lawn One creature would trap people for entire evenings And conversations about her house. Sir Francis Bacon was actually William Shakespeare. I've heard those conversations before Yeah, it's they are exactly as fascinating as that party sounds. Yeah, it's like It's look everyone's fucking high out of their mind Yeah, the editor of the magazine and some weird theorists are trying to spin around and make a 360 without falling down Yeah, they're they're describing this like it. This is fucking edgy stuff. I would give them a loan God, this is so boring
Starting point is 01:11:04 But also business loan your plan is approved my friend So the guys behind mando were really big on just making shit up quote in 1993 In 1993 Bart Nagel rattled his peers with an editorial inspired by artist Jeffrey Coon's theory of image appropriation Either steal it and manipulate it wrote Nagel or use it blatantly under the fair use doctrine Nagel practiced what his editorial preached with the cover of issue number 10 In which he superimposed a photo against a background stolen from the cover of another magazine Nagel was immediately savaged in trade journals as the anti christ of art directors
Starting point is 01:11:41 He retaliated with an editorial in issue number 11, which is where this arthur corker quote comes from by the way About a new technology that works on Works on the dna level to detect microscopic recognizable patterns and images He asserted that the technology encoded patterns that were invisible to the naked eye But detectable no matter how much an image was scanned or used He further claimed that in one year hence all scanners and copy machines would contain a built-in chip to detect these codes And notify a national computer image bank of every duplication by modem The computer would then automatically debit your visa account
Starting point is 01:12:19 I tried to make it more and more absurd by saying these scanners would be hooked up by neural net computers Which could actually detect if you were scanning someone's style Uh, and then a lot of photographers were actually excited about this and that richard avanon and annie liba vitz No any annie liba vitz come on They were already offering to donate their proceeds from the style theft to a photo assistance group called we're creative No God damn it He just just made all that shit up
Starting point is 01:12:50 Of course he did and it caused a huge stir Everyone started writing the messages like annie liba vitz and this guy avadon wrote messages like are you serious about this? Are you fucking kidding me? He was tricking people. They were tricking everybody. Yeah, they were trolling like crazy. It's amazing I love them. So there was the other thing. I can't remember what the name of the band is and I feel really bad about this It's called mondo 1999. There was a band that you too sued Uh, that uh, I can't remember what it the the exact circumstances of it or it's called you three. Come on. Yeah so, uh, this band, uh
Starting point is 01:13:27 I think actually they made they they were like just a like a local punkish band or whatever And they ripped off some of you too stuff and their album was actually called you too And then the edge and you too tried to sue them right uh, because they were like guys Fucking come on and they almost destroyed them like like aggressive litigation And so as mondo 2000 got really popular you two requested to be interviewed by them Oh, no And that was a bad idea
Starting point is 01:13:59 Bono fucking edge. Come on guys You can't just run into a mary trickster's band without getting your ass kicked and are you serious was friends with the band Uh, that got sued by you too. That can't be real. So what he did How is that possible what he did was he set up the interview and without edge the edge knowing Had uh, the guys from the band interview him About how they had stolen various elements of the videos they used on stage at their live performances Okay, like basically talking about them doing exactly what they had sued this band for doing right And then halfway through the interview he's came in was like, hey, uh, this is the band that you sued
Starting point is 01:14:42 He was just like, what the fuck is this anarchy? This is amazing So then queen mu who is the financial, uh, runner of it all because of course she refused to Publish the article or said like we don't want to do this. This is this isn't right. Right. Are you serious quit? Right. Uh, because that's that's definitely what he would quit over. Yes It created a whole bunch of trouble now sort of the beginning of the end of their uh, their run Right, but that they are fucking amazing. That's that's delightful. I love finding stuff like this that I had no idea existed There's like, ah, dammit. I wish I was hip to that when I was younger. No, shit
Starting point is 01:15:19 That would be so much cooler now if I had grown up with that, but I lived in Missouri Anyway All right, we're still watching this That free humanity cannot afford to let psychopathic technocrats with delusions of grandeur Repeat the mistakes of their forebears because it is highly probable that this time they may destroy everything Including themselves in their mad rush for godhood In this film we have chronicled the overlords bloody orgy Is that what you did which already claimed the lives of more than 150 million kota in the 20th century
Starting point is 01:16:05 And now they are promising to deliver an invincible tyranny that will dwarf their past exploits In the days of world war two there were sovereign nations and armies to stand against Hitler's final solution Once world government is in place No one will be able to stop the new world order's plans for global population reduction A lot of people just getting off trains going to work Or those immune to psychological program Hundreds of fema camps have already been built throughout the united states Those are prisons
Starting point is 01:16:41 I get it their quest for population reduction So there's a bunch of fema camps. Uh, that's not true. Uh, there are fema camps Yes, I know, um, so the proponents of the fema camp belief generally based their concerns on house resolution 645 Right is a bill about that by the homeland security department establishing emergency centers to house populations and provide humanitarian aid In the case of natural disasters or emergencies If you want to speculate wildly and let paranoia run rampant You can do that with this But the actual text of the resolution and stated intent is something very rational and benign
Starting point is 01:17:16 And something that were there to be a horrible emergency and these didn't exist these same dumb ass patriots would cry bloody murder Why didn't they provide somewhere for us to all live? Also, the only role that fema even has in all this is that the country is broken down into regions that fema covers Uh, and so there's right because that's the only reasonable way to do it Like why would you have a fema center in every state when there aren't really as many? Like emergency Risks, right? It's not evenly distributed among states Uh in terms of earthquakes floods. There's no floods. They're saying that Idaho isn't as important. No, it's not important
Starting point is 01:17:54 It's not that it's not important. It's well, then it seems unfair to me It's just that fault lines and coasts uh have a very high We need to put all of our hurricane specialists in Idaho So the only the only reality there is to intern camps in america Is that of incarcerating minorities that we've seen to be a threat based on their ethnicity the japan japanese and uh In world war two and then also the native americans in the 1930s at the trail of tears Don't remember that in the 1860s the long walk Uh, there's a lot of instances. Can't remember those either. No, certainly not
Starting point is 01:18:28 Um Beyond that there's only one instance of this and that's rex 84 which is short for readiness exercise 1984 Which is a plan that was put together by reagan and oliver north and then fema director john brinkerhoff sounds trustworthy The plan called for putting anti-war protesters civil rights groups Uh union supporters and minority immigrants in camps because of the disruptive effect that they were perceived to have on the right Leaning political status quo and the larger american capitalist business interests. Hmm the plan was never put into action But it's the only example outside of those fucking racist ones I just uh just brought up that any president has ever put together
Starting point is 01:19:08 In terms of an actual plan of putting dissenters in the camp and just For keeping scores purposes. They're targeted to liberal groups. That one is absolutely also one of the racist ones Some what I mean, there are the minorities and immigrants involved, but it's also about union organizing It's it's also about anti-war activism, which isn't necessarily a long racial lines No, it's not necessarily long racial lines But because if you get rid of all of those people dan, what Are the people you have left if you but I understand what you're saying and I agree with you
Starting point is 01:19:41 But if you look at the text over x 84 like one of the triggering events that they were talking about is like Who's going to be mad if we invade South America? Right like that sort of thing. I was like, well, those are the people we'll need to round up Right and so it was literally directed at Liberals anti-war people. Yeah, and then union people have always been annoying to Business interests. Well, also Reagan. Yeah. Yeah, so um, it's it's You know, it's interesting that there's no documentation. There's nothing concrete in the world Uh of liberals trying to create these camps. No, in fact, it's almost
Starting point is 01:20:20 Uniformly and unilaterally the opposite of that. Isn't it dan? It seems it seems that way. Yeah, but that's maybe but that's what you get So much mileage out of crying the victim. Maybe we should do that Have we considered rounding up all the white nationalists and just like putting them in a camp? I think you're starting to I think it's probably a bad idea. Anyway, is it no method is have we considered it though These dark builders intend to release a string of man-made bio weapons plans Each one worse than the last there's no citation for this. He just says that they're gonna do that There's literally no reason to believe that that's the case while at the same time expanding the police state To enforce an orderly extermination of the population
Starting point is 01:21:00 All in the name of fighting invisible terrorists. I would hate it to be chaos And the georgia guides tell you why are we there a cold testament to the elite's sacred mission back to georgia Why because georgia is all my mind To have a negative class system where the underclass are forced to live as slaves. I'm in close cities While the elite enjoy the land of the earth Evolve into superhumans with the aid of advanced implantable technologies Live eternal lives weird way to end this one cosmos This is the promise
Starting point is 01:21:37 given to the inner members of the new world order and the agenda of the belterberg grid Was that what this was about? I guess Goddamn we should have done this in two chunks. We should have done this never This documentary is not good Oh, shit, what's this it's still going on though you ended it you just ended it. What is this? What is this? This is the post-credits sequence. This is where 2007 Oh, okay, it's the fury gonna show up okay I request to expose the globalist by traveling to istanbul turkey the site of belterberg 2007 so we can once again not break in
Starting point is 01:22:29 Bangin music them tucker. Thank you for coming on my friend. It's always fun Jim tell us what you saw today when you were out at the uh, we're at four stars. Go home tell your mother We were the ritz carlton It looked like a typical, uh, bilberberg scenario. They had the armed guards all around the place. They had platoons of Uh cops in formation way for disbursement. They also had Cops all the way around the building And they had all those hot tech things where every member can Hear whatever spoken in e-language instantly translated to his own
Starting point is 01:23:05 language What the fuck is he talking about? Is he just read the hitchhiker's guide and thinks the babble fish is real the babble fish is real No, it's not the babble fish is is real. Oh, oh, they see what you're saying there. All right. No I did a bunch of research on this because I was fascinated. It was like is that possible No, he's talking about the things in the united nations where you see people with the big things in their ears No, because there's a person talking into that. I know that you know that that's what he thinks is happening So look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. I'm looking at this. I'm looking at your hand So here's the problem with this this technology can never exist with our current
Starting point is 01:23:43 Uh, what we have in front of us. Oh, because here's the problem too many languages sound fucking similar as shit There's cognates that exist. There's false cognates words that sound very similar, but aren't the same There are like bear bear and bear. What are you going to do with that? What are you going to do with that with a weird translator get context clues now? You need artificial you're gonna get aggressive at me. I have not started a universal translation technology yet So the other problem the other problem that it comes down to is idioms You're never going to be able to translate idioms So you have like this weird, uh, you can translate idioms as easy as a bear can go outside and pee on your mom's face
Starting point is 01:24:21 See the cfr is gonna have trouble with that I get you they're gonna have trouble with that So I looked into this and it's really fascinating because there's a couple of startups that exist out there that uh That are trying to make this technology real I'm sure none of them have the name babble anywhere near there. Actually, I don't think they do Oh, shit. Um, the one that I watched uh video of I actually don't have the name here and they don't fucking deserve a plug Because I think they're a scam quite frankly and even if they're not I don't support what they do So what it is is like this bizarre uh technology. You have it's a handheld device
Starting point is 01:24:56 And so like let's say you're in japan You're like Where is a karaoke bar? And then you hold it up to somebody and no no it feeds back Where is a karaoke bar in japanese to them and it's a whole video of japanese people being freaked out by this Machine talking to them because because understandably it's like that's a little weird. Yeah, but here's the problem The video doesn't show any moments of like Them responding well because it doesn't translate the other way. It doesn't translate the other way. No
Starting point is 01:25:29 What's the fucking point of it? It doesn't work both ways That doesn't make any sense Right, but it's just so you can be heard not you don't have to listen to any of their fucking japanese bullshit It's it's such nonsense. It's it's a disgraceful way to pretend you're immersing into a world While disrespecting it while being in it, you know, I don't know. I think it actually is um I think it's denigrating to the idea of travel. Um But also, uh, a lot of these businesses that are like not just this one. I found a bunch of them Yeah, there's a bunch of apps and like startups that are trying to work this out
Starting point is 01:26:07 None of them work. No, it's a badass idea and a lot of them are crowdfunded and uh, as we all know most ideas on crowdfunding Some of them aren't real. Yeah, some of them are like, here's an idea. Give me money and then you never get the product Right. So there's a bunch of stuff like that that like sound too good to be true Anyway, what jim tucker is describing doesn't exist. Uh, he's making this up. Okay, and he's but it might be the same Okay, it is definitely the same hat. I thought the lines were red earlier, but it might have been the light So they can keep up with it I
Starting point is 01:26:54 Really great dana mod to this guys. I'm done with my notes Oh, so we're just gonna are we just gonna watch the end of this is fucking hilarious I'm done with my notes except to say jim tucker can control himself I Rest in peace rest in power Alex I would have cut a lot of this That was an old man not understanding his language He had that fucking weird machine
Starting point is 01:27:33 He's an old man walking across the street poorly proving nothing is bill de berg meeting crew this weekend New camo is right We had my two personal cops following me today I was thought of where it caused my nose is always sticking to the camera and my jaws are always flapping But the uh tv crew said those guys are uh going to follow you And their car followed us out to the Hotel Then they identified the two cops in plain clothes not not businesses, but the sports shirts and so forth. Yeah
Starting point is 01:28:17 I would follow him around just to fuck with that's the car Let's do that now He's not going anywhere it makes our job easier. Let's go hang out in this group. Very likely bill de berg boys You John elkin owner of fiat and a fellow bill de berger Thought that they could take a stroll off the ground to identify the other guy being noticed by the commoners Is that garfunkel This bill de berg attendee sneered at our camera that's not a sneer
Starting point is 01:28:59 This carload of kingpins gave the media a murderous look and seemed shocked that they would dare point a camera in their direction That's a carload. No three Anything more than two is a car load Strongly disagree Yeah, you got them guys they just drove away what a boring fucking in 2007 the bill de berg group received the heaviest global coverage in its history Jim tucker witnessed press conferences attended by hundreds of members of the media and a new generation of info warriors Where are those at because they are not in this documentary are tracking the elite no matter where they hide
Starting point is 01:29:47 Great. There's more crazies Hooray These romanians love sir rick perry. It's in the front of the dallas morning news The headline reads texas governor rick perry To attend bill de berg. What does it mean to have the governor of texas in the dallas morning news? Just admitting he's going to bill de berg group That means he's a potential president Even as the obscure governor of arkansas bill plinton lost his virginity
Starting point is 01:30:17 To the bill de berg meeting in botten botten germany in 1991 That he's elected president the following year. Is that when he lost his virginity goes nowhere In a run for the white house years ahead. They'll drop him like an old shoe They do that often but uh officially Uh bill de berg considers governor rick perry a potential president of the united states yes, it's a Violation of the logo act logo for which uh, the white bill clinton's white house was fine 300 000 dollars
Starting point is 01:30:50 Which means the taxpayers paid it When perry returned to texas from istanbul, we were determined to hold him accountable for his treasonous actions. That's his house Hey, it might be the state house. Eh, who cares? Shocked this is still going this end is so funny if you had the end you would already have ended it by now This is so funny to me We don't want our rights Our entire infrastructure turned over to the narrow world order And we tell you now the people are rising up and learning what you're doing and they're angry
Starting point is 01:31:38 And they're tired of it Stop enslaving us stop setting up tyranny Stop going along with the new world order plan and you've got any Rick perry What is this? What is this sort of learning? Oh, it's probably just when it's dark enough to look like night Telling you we're not gonna put up with it The republic we shall prevail
Starting point is 01:32:03 Death to the new world order Uh So real real quick The whole lead-up was right. Also, this was edited by rob Jacobson. Rob. You should never work again ever Rob Jacobson has since left info wars and has called alex jones. I sell out in a shill. Yeah, please don't ever He is uh, he has abandoned the info wars. Don't don't just abandon filmmaking But the yeah, because this is terrible But the uh, the real true comedy of the end of that is first of all just the cut to alex alone with a bullhorn
Starting point is 01:32:44 Fucking hilarious But then with the context that we have from 2018 now, it's even more funny. Oh, isn't it uh, Perry, I love it. I love him being trump's secretary of energy. I support the hell out of her Rick Perry, we will not stand for you going to build a burger destroying our sovereignty No, never never gonna happen. God damn it. It's so stupid. Uh, none of this means anything No one cares Nothing is real There are no sides. There is only fucking whatever alex jones wants or does not want it. I didn't give a point in time
Starting point is 01:33:22 Nothing is meaningful. Everything is dead. But shout out to graham. We're all fucking shout out to graham reynolds for the Oh graham reynolds As far as sound design goes I would put this up there strong stuff strong stuff. Will you nominate you for a uh, uh, Oscar sure sure Golden Globe me No, I do who those guys are michael mcworter and glendale sounds right never heard of them I Know him. Yeah, Jacobson
Starting point is 01:33:54 Graham killing it wait wait. No now now that I find out that rob has mixed and mastered the Audio for this. I don't know now. I'm back on board the audio production on this is great I'm telling you rob Jacobson's great except for editing. Yeah, should not be editing, but it's alex's fault. It's all alex's fault Oh Additional music rob Jacobson one of the song's names is a d s ch or a dish Dish also voiceover recorded and edited by rob. That's not great. All right. Yeah. No, that's no good Camera operators a lot of robbers was of course there as well Still photography daniel estolin
Starting point is 01:34:38 intervealer of Oh, they took some of his fill. They took some of his skills. I got it Michael kaufman did some research. That's great. I'd love to see this violet jones. Who's that? That is his ex-wife kelly Oh, hey violet. She goes by the name violet sometimes that might come up later. How you doing? Oh Special thanks to jim talker dr. Michael kaufman mike mcwart or glendale paul doranone david d's mike nelson rob jake of net wait mike nelson of msd 3k. Yeah, absolutely I thought that said dandrees for a guy. I know very confused also the alamo draft house
Starting point is 01:35:25 Oh, yeah, but they've been supporting sexual assault for a long time now Yeah Jordan we did it Jordan you're never gonna believe this We are about to finish the clock in part one of endgame The clock in time right now, what are we at nine hours 11 minutes? Jesus Christ It's only fitting. Uh, you know, we didn't get paid for this, right? You know that we got paid in our policy wonks Love and uh, the germations and we support it very much and we thank you so much. Uh, this has been brutal and very painful
Starting point is 01:36:15 And I most of it honestly the pain on my end has been For you like I I feel mostly guilty about making you do this Because for me, I could I could sit here and just do like a voiceover of hey, this is a lie All right, guiltlessly but tally up the scores here. I think I think you won because you're kind of biased 10 5 Okay, you got 10 That's not great. Um I think I deserve to see your point. Oh, no, I did 15. All right. I won at least it was close
Starting point is 01:36:51 All right. Anyway, so that means that I get to absolve you from any guilt of uh, oh, that's your prize. Yeah You got a lot of wrong references so I just Some of them sucked. I'm just glad both of us know something Like you you knew all of the facts and bad about about about And I knew like how to read paragraphs of uh, I knew how to turn jerald maguire into a jerry maguire reference Immediately and that I feel like is our too big contribution to the show. That might be our new intro I know a bunch of facts. You know how to turn jerald into jerry
Starting point is 01:37:34 That's what we eat that is exactly what we bring to the table dad I get nailed it nine hours in at 1 30 in the morning I cannot get my hair to fucking agree with me at all and now that I have to look at it in the fucking camera. I'm furious Jordan, we got a wrap this up. Do we? Yeah, we do. Oh, I feel like we live here now. Oh God, all right All right, do you have any okay, jordan? Do you have any closing words about end game because I think I think I think I get I think I get what your take on it is and that is that It really amounted to nothing
Starting point is 01:38:13 um We just did like nine and nine and a half hours when this is over. I guess Like of nothing. There's no you learned nothing. No, no, I disagree. Uh, I weirdly enough You learned about mondo 2000. No, that was dope. Uh No, I think more what I took away from it. Like, of course, it's an Inexplicable documentary why it exists is bananas. Yeah that it exists is crazy That it exists the way it does is even more insane to me because it doesn't it doesn't have a through line It is narratively
Starting point is 01:38:51 So inconsistent Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. No, but it's all about the globalists Like if you just just have like a guy Under a desk on Between any clip of anybody saying anything and you've got the end game documentary do a fucking hour on the roads You know, you're right. I'll just do that. You could do an hour on the road. I'm sure he could really could But like and that's it because that's a really interesting story that story has a start It is a finish it is a middle and then you can have a narrative endpoint where they do or they don't build it
Starting point is 01:39:27 And if they don't build it then you get that that whole thing like you start where Okay, well, we need this because of all the NAFTA stuff So you build this whole story and then you get to them building it and you're like Well, the bids came down and then this foreign company and that throws a wrench in the whole thing because now How do you feel about it before you wanted all those roads to be there? But now this foreign company's trying to own it So now you have this conversation there and that's a lot of drama That's a lot of tension and then eventually you get to the point where well now it's come for a vote
Starting point is 01:39:53 So somebody wins and somebody loses and we got to figure out what to do there And then they won or they lost and that's the end Congratulations, that's a documentary and instead this walk this documentary was like hey You remember how rich people and then roads and then watch out for disease And then there's a guy in china Mando 2000 and everybody's having a great old time quotes aren't real by the way Fuck you rick parry like I don't I do what was the point of this movie nothing. There's nothing I mean the only point of it is uh to exist as a time capsule of what alex jones put out as like
Starting point is 01:40:32 The foundation of his career in 2007 that now 11 years later we can look back and be like you've betrayed Literally everything you think you're about you have no moral center. None. There is absolutely nothing that you don't Contradict on a fucking daily basis. No nothing even though like even even that being said I mean my big takeaway is that like Through doing the research of this, of course, I expected to find stuff about like You know the the foster kids and stuff like that with the right
Starting point is 01:41:07 I expected that and I expected him to lie about x y and z different thing What I didn't expect what I could never have predicted when I started doing this research was that He wouldn't cover his bases. I never would have expected it would all be in karta and site reference here Like I never thought that the bibliography would be so bad 15 times at least and I still lose my shit every time you say the word In karta, it's absolutely crazy to me That this documentary exists and documentary again in quotes. Yes, it exists
Starting point is 01:41:47 It's been viewed by millions of people. I'm against that a bunch of people Believe what he's saying and none of them have ever checked and looked at the like the bibliography and been like That's a problem That is not that is not an acceptable list of sources Because everyone who's watching it assumes like oh, he can back this up. No, he can't of course not There's nothing there. This is all magic. It's all assertions. It's all just nonsense claims Alex jones's documentary end game and I assume most of his other end game End games if you are a policy wonk and would like to donate
Starting point is 01:42:26 A thousand million more dollars for us to do another documentary. Please keep it Do not give your money anywhere near dan. He'll make me do this again. Please let me out. I'm the obama deception I'm linking twice. Please somebody help me get me out of here. What what what what I'm what I'm saying is um I I never I never Uh, would have imagined and none of these people who listen who listen to it would have met Oh, here's the point I was trying to make yes Daniel estlens book that he made about the bill de berger Where he cites as a source this guy who talks to aliens and is part of the pleiadian
Starting point is 01:43:03 earth defense force and all that shit And he's taking his word about whether or not prince barnard is a nazi and not mentioning Also, this guy writes a bunch of books about aliens and shit like that That's the small scale version of alex jones and his problem with sourcing like all of this is just things he's claiming It's all being asserted and it has no foundation in reality Except for the stuff that is about like eugenics being fucked up or It is a mess that a lot of our history intersects with nazis Like that stuff is true, but no one's hiding that it's uncomfortable to talk about so maybe people don't bring it up all the time
Starting point is 01:43:46 But mainstream sources exist where you can find all of that information. So What i'm saying is fuck alex jones. I mean like Legitimately I think i've spent I would say a hundred hours Probably researching this documentary. Yes, and now nine plus Recording this right and so officially you have been paid 91 cents on the dollar. Maybe Maybe that because i'm lowballing in terms of the research stuff
Starting point is 01:44:20 And it's valuable to me because of all of the side stuff i've learned I value that i've learned a lot of these statistics about like foster children's right right I kind of knew that in my head We all knew that that was an issue, but you fucking codified it in a way that hurts But now to get a better picture of it or you know what i didn't know a whole lot about Serbia I didn't know a lot about the 1990s Serbia situation and i didn't really know about the beginning of world war one So to have an excuse to research that stuff is really valuable to me and i appreciate that that's cool
Starting point is 01:44:54 And so alex i appreciate you affording me that opportunity to do that research now it's not the time to be magnanimous, but Fuck you you lie about everything and like we talked about six hours ago It's clearly intentional. Yeah, there is no way that this is an accident There's no way that if you are making a documentary where you use a fake quote by hitler Or you use a fake quote by david rockefeller There's no way it makes it to the final cut of your documentary with the citation Uh fill this in later. There's no fucking way that passes muster for you making a documentary Unless you're like i know i can't prove this no one's gonna check on it the same way that ron paul
Starting point is 01:45:38 There's no way that he didn't write that racist shit in his fucking newsletters And that's the point i've been trying to get to Fuck ron paul. Yeah, i agree. Fuck ron paul Anyway, this is tough to sum up, but there's a lot of feelings that i have I think i think the the thing that i that For me like really fucking hammered at home. Um Just like just like you were talking about his fakeness or just like you were talking about um
Starting point is 01:46:06 The conversation of is he stupid or is he doing this deliberately and lying about it? Yeah, if you're stupid You can get away with putting this documentary up there You're dumb If you are putting quotes On screen Hanging them as like this is a big fucking deal. Yeah knowing full. Well these were not said by anybody related to what's going on here Then that goes over from being you're dumb to being this is on purpose It's not least of which because guess what there wasn't a fucking release date on this
Starting point is 01:46:43 There wasn't a deadline. This wasn't this wasn't like, oh, we've got 250 million dollars of studio money built into this thing We got to get this at the door and buy a fucking spring of 2018. No, that's not how this is working I don't know these assholes might you might be wrong about that This might have been part of one of his money bombs or something like that There might have been something where he actually did have some artificial pressure to put it out But that's still artificial. I still don't care google google Google a quote that could have been helpful. Hey that did exist in 2007 first advice to anybody making a documentary or anybody quoting anything
Starting point is 01:47:21 Can I give my advice first anybody quoting anything try? That's my that's my basic That's my I think my larger problem is this A lot of people tried on this and not all of them did that may be our biggest issue I think whoever came up with didn't in it tried the rest of them fucked it up so much Oh Anyway, Jordan more more to the point you have to try to lie about quotes that badly. Oh, absolutely You have to be working on its intention. Um, but more than anything else. I appreciate you
Starting point is 01:47:52 And I thank you so much for doing this. I I know I dragged you into it to some extent I mean the entire show really but also yeah, no, I mean what what am I going to jump out now? This is a thing where like now the time where I jump ship. This is probably like a It'll probably go down in history as a classic example of asking too much and I appreciate Um, you ordering pizza stay tuned stay tuned for our next episode. Dan kills jordan with uh, his fucking computer screen Stay tuned for next episode. Uh, it's going to be called dan and jordan. Don't record for a week Oh My god
Starting point is 01:48:32 Stay tuned for your next episode This episode continues because jordan doesn't know how to edit and kill dan Stay tuned for our next episode. Just Repeating over and over again for two hours We'll put a lot of scare quotes up stay tuned for our next episode an interview with jim tucker from the grave He made up quotes about bilderberg so Stay tuned for our next episode the only man who can replace dan freezing. That's right in studio. We have alex joe How's it going everybody? Hey everybody. Uh, I'm an idiot. Uh, I admit it. Uh, great episode
Starting point is 01:49:15 Uh, so jordan We've come to the end of nine hours of this bullshit, uh, and have we I didn't notice how long was it? We're about nine and a half right now. Oh Um, it only seems fair since you Uh, I think you took this the hardest No, no, no, no, I would like Dan Dan everybody before you self Uh, deprecate any further. No, no, I'm saying emotionally. I mean, I had a tough time there around hour seven and a half
Starting point is 01:49:44 But I came out of it But that was that was a low point for me But to me the only person that I pity is not me the listener Oh, I pity the listener or you uh the Dan who does the research and all this stuff. I pity you dan the editor You poor poor bastard. I had a lot of work ahead. You're gonna spend a lot of time on this and I am so sorry for you
Starting point is 01:50:10 Thankfully, I'll be fucking hung over his shit tomorrow as I do it. I love you desperately Love you too. But uh before we get out of here because we got to close this up I must ask who From all of the weirdo characters in this documentary Would you like to choose to tell uh them to go fuck themselves? Now? Let me rob you down So many god damn. I'd like let me run you down. It's a possible. I want to I want to say other names But right now I'm all in my head is medley butler. I don't know. He's not. He's a great guy
Starting point is 01:50:42 His name is just so crazy. Let me run you down some names. Yes Jim Tucker Daniel like his head Great ponytail, uh, michael kaufman michael kaufman. He's a piece of shit. Um, alex jones Oh, well, of course, um that other guy in canada Wait the kid or the older guy. Well, there's the older guy then the kid What about the what about the older guy who is really benign the security guard in canada? The security guard seemed like a cool dude. He seemed fine
Starting point is 01:51:15 He seemed like he was having a rough day with this alex jones asshole fucking up his day Um, what else you got? I got smidely butler in my head again. I know you brought him up You can't get him out. Yeah, once you got this mad, man, you're gonna be dead I'd like to add you to the list of front runners. That would be negative five I'm negative five right now. Now it's a tie Um, so I guess let's say your your choices are jim tucker daniel estolin and michael kaufman All right, because alex jones is too obvious a choice. Right, right, right Well, then I'm gonna have to go with michael kaufman that piece of shit can go fuck himself. I agree. Fuck that guy
Starting point is 01:51:59 Thank you all for listening. Sorry Andy and chanzas you're on the air. Thanks for holding So alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you

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