Knowledge Fight - #131: David Lynch Interview

Episode Date: February 26, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan try to come back to the present after wrapping up their coverage of Alex Jones' "documentary" Endgame, but the water is just way too full of garbage to swim in. They dip a toe, then decide to time travel back to 2006, when for whatever reason, David Lynch agreed to call in and talk with Alex, and the big problem this illustrates about Alex's nonsense worldview.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed. That is what we do, Dan.

Dan, let me ask you a question. Yep. Is there a hook? There is. I know a lot about Alex Jones. I don't know anything about Alex Jones. We are back after what seems like forever. Yeah. Thank you to everybody who enjoyed the end game coverage.

You can find all nine hours on our iTunes feed. You can find Dan's monument to looking up whether or not a guy said that. Right. There's a lot of that. I want to start this show by just doing a little bit of house cleaning on that. I am very self-conscious because I think I didn't do a good enough job. On Thursday night, you were all up in my business saying, I got something wrong. Jordan, I got something wrong. Not so much that.

I mean, I think, first of all, Malthus might have been a worse dude than we gave him credit for. He's probably a pretty terrible dude. And I think we let him off the hook too easy. But then the other thing was that in the first episode at the beginning, the first thing we stopped for, that H.G. Wells quote, I misread my notes about the quote. And that's accurate. What I said in there was accurate, but also the specific part of the quote that he takes out.

He doesn't even put an ellipsis in to note that he was, you know. Yes. Yeah. The quote is not using AP style. The quote that he says is like, many people will resist the New World Order and die resisting it or whatever. Right. In the middle of those two sentences, there's a list of like millionaires and Maharajis.

It's just like the specific people he's talking about in that quote. And I forgot to point this out. And their addresses and where to buy a gun and where to find them and solve the New World Order problem. He's literally talking about the people who will resist the New World Order of taking care of people will be these millionaires. Yeah. Exactly.

So be that as it may. I just wanted to clear that up because I'm very self-conscious of myself and all this. I just didn't make the point strongly enough. Yeah. It was, it was even worse than we talked about. That's how stupid that quote is. There's a couple more instances of that you can check out on our Endgame Bibliography, which is on KnowledgeFight.com.

If you have a CD in CARTA, you can also follow up with a lot of if you want to fuck around with the Wayback machine. Oh, you can get one of those. You can find those in CARTA pages. You can get Mr. Peabody and fucking ride it out. Yeah. So, Jordan, we had an interesting episode to go over today as our welcome back to reality. But before we get...

It's going to be all about Cotter. Oh, it is. Up your nose with a hose. Before we get into that, I want to give a shout out to a couple of new donors. What's going on out there? What? What's going on out there, Pete B? I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you so much for joining up with the show. Thank you so much, Pete Best. The fifth beetle has joined up. This is actually... The next one's actually very special. Special shout out to someone who has bumped up their donation, but at the same time... No.

...has also become the moderator of our new group on Facebook. Oh, shit. And is the encouragement for us actually creating that group. He sent me a message and said, Hey, it would be kind of cool if we had a group where people can post stuff and joke around and all that stuff. So we have a group on Facebook. It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.

The shortest name we could find. So it's there. You could find it. And if you request to be a member, we will let you in the group. There's a lot of fun stuff going on. You only have to remember six of those eight words in order to find the group. Yes. People clowning around.

It's a great time. Yeah. And thank you for the... And if you search Knowledge Find, it won't come up. So no. We're stupid. But thank you for inspiring and encouraging us to open that up because it's really cool. It's so fun looking at all of the listeners and myself jumping in and clowning with each other.

Absolutely. It's real nice. But thanks for inspiring that and bumping up the donation. Keegan, you're officially a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go Home, Give Mother, Tell Her You're Brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Shark. Bum, bum, bum, bum. Jar Jar Minx has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. So thank you very much, Keegan. Now that you think about it, he might have already been a technocrat.

But either way, God bless you. You're the best. All right. So, Jordan, we took... Yes. It took a long time to do that end game coverage because there's a ton of research into very weird... His bibliography sucked.

There were loose ends. There were dead ends of his research and things he didn't prove at all. And I had to try and figure out what the fuck is he talking about? There's a guy with a cowboy hat. Oh, God, that cowboy hat. Jim Tucker. Yeah, research where cowboy hats came from. Sure.

His cowboy hat was, of course, made by a globalist undercutting his entire argument. I had to figure out why he wasn't also wearing a bolo tie. Oh, yeah. These were questions. And he's dead, so I had to have a séance to find out. It took a lot of time. So it took weeks of research.

And then we recorded... That'd be a fun, harsh turn for us to take as all this... We're spiritualists. All of a sudden, we're spiritualists. By the way, we are turn of the century spiritualists, apparently. Yeah. It happens. I'm the reincarnation of David Wilcox.

Oh, man. He's not dead. Cleopatra. Cleopatra, that's me. David Wilcox claims to be the reincarnation of... Who is that guy? He's called The Sleeping Mystic. What was his fucking name?

Edgar Casey. Oh, OK. He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Casey. And so this is not... Who gives a shit? I don't know. I think now is the time to talk about reincarnation. He has been on Project Camelot,

so he might come up at some point in the future. But so, you know, we recorded that that was a hot nine hours. And then the editing of it, the posting, the putting together our bibliography, that took up most of last week. And so we haven't had an episode. And unfortunately or fortunately, it's debatable. In that time, a lot of stuff that hits close to home for Alex has happened.

Yeah. We had the shooting. Mainly guns. We had the shooting in Parkland, which I think that you and I have discussed. We have no interest in talking about, at least at this point, out of respect for those affected. And rage. There's that.

And that all the arguments that are made are really stupid. And are the exact same arguments that have been made over and over and over again, every time there's a tragedy. So if you want to know our feelings about it, go listen to us talk about Alex talking about Sandy Hook. Pretty much. Pretty much the same fucking thing. Very similar.

And then there was that town hall meeting that CNN had. I don't know if he talks about that too much. But then some articles started to come out about how he was in trouble with YouTube standards. Yes. Yes. And so it was a big. He's got he's got two strikes.

I think he has two strikes left or something like that. 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:17,520 Who knows. Yeah. It's arbitrary bullshit. I was talking on the the group go home and tell your mother you're brilliant with some folks about my position on it is quite frankly that these sorts of articles are really just reinforcing his victim status and his narratives that he has.

I think it does nobody any help to to sell this sort of bullshit. Yeah. Why exactly are you talking about how many fucking strikes he has totally YouTube whenever he's an anti-semite fucking lunatic. Exactly. Who gives a shit about his strikes on YouTube. Every single fucking article should be like and here's why he's a monster and here's why all of this stuff instead of fucking Alex Jones noted ridiculous monster.

My feeling on it is quite frankly like I think it's stupid. I think the strikes they're referring to are non-specific and full of shit. But then further like it's amazing how much baseball has influenced our punitive systems. Exactly. Yeah. The are but but baseball is not arbitrary. There's like no rules. You could make out two strikes.

You could make it five strikes. So it doesn't matter. So many technicalities in baseball but not in YouTube. Ah weird. So the the other feeling that I had is like all right if you guys are going to play that game and that's what you want to do hit me up. I could find you some more strikes. You know I know a few things.

I know a few places where he vaguely threatened Chris Cuomo's children. Yeah you want some strikes. We'll find you some strikes. Absolutely. We can get him banned from YouTube tomorrow. Exactly. You guys want to talk about fortified supply. We got plenty of shit like you want.

We can get him banned from stuff but that's not our objective and I sincerely think that. It's kind of not our objective. Well but I think anybody who's pushing for like some sort of a banning on the merits of content. I think is barking up a really bad tree and it's the wrong approach to take because up to a certain point he is protected under you know free speech guidelines. Right. That are there specifically to protect speech that is disgusting and awful. And I think you play a losing game when you're like Alex said something stupid.

Let's get him kicked off X Y or Z. Right. The more reasonable thing to do is the crimes certainly deal with those. Usually crime starts first. And then wage a campaign to allow his listeners to see him within the proper context. Things like show people his bibliography for end game. Yeah. That's something that I think could erode public confidence among info warriors.

You would hope. But again we've talked about this. He would just say of course I don't have anything in the bibliography. All my sources are secret. You know like I have top top level. Anyway I'm getting off on a terrible top level in card access. Absolutely. So it's been a big week for Alex.

Did you know there's a secret and Carter page that you can find on the dark web. You know what's weird. It has all of in Carter. Encapsulated on tour or a tour browser. You get all the cards. Oh yeah. So I want I think we did a really terrible job of a couple things actually. Now that I'm thinking about it a little more.

All right Dan we're going to have to do it again. From the top. Get it going. No we didn't know like I think that it bears mentioning to Alex made that that came out in like 2006 2007. He doesn't mention George Soros and that documentary once. That's true. You know there's all sorts of things like that that are like George Soros wasn't involved

in building the trans-Texas pipeline or whatever it was. He was he was involved in everything according to Alex and I think it's interesting that his narrative hadn't developed to that point yet. Well what happened was they told Soros they were like hey you're doing a great job globalizing. We love it. Sit this Texas thing out. That way Alex can't talk about you. But he believes that he's a part of like the trilateral commission and the Bilderberg group

and all that. 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:11,280 And he was talking. Who cares. Well he was the one who invented the time zones. It's just nonsense that his name doesn't come up once and he's Alex Jones' big book Anyway it's been a big week for Alex. He's a lot of shit to deal with.

And I went back and I was like all right we're coming back. We got it. We had to check in with the president. I was like do we. I think we do out of like a decency and a completeness. That's true. And so I was looking around and I was like hmm that's weird. Milo Yiannopoulos was on every day last week.

I saw that. He was on all the time. I saw that. I saw they're really trying to forge an alliance. Really. Why is that. I believe so. Well because Milo has reached a premature point in his career where no one wants him.

Yeah. And that's when that happens. Generally people go to info wars. And so he's going to info wars and he's really he's a potent tool for Alex right now. But I think he'll outstay his welcome pretty quickly. As he's done literally everywhere else. I don't mean this in any homophobic sense. But I think that Alex's audience and Alex has to know this.

I assume. So much of what drives info wars is a misplaced version of masculinity. Yeah. And that's why they like this testosterone driven Alex Jones screaming all the time and taking his shirt off. And right right right. You know the Owen Schreuer shooting hoops in a commercial for vitamin B or whatever. You know there's a there's a weird testosterone driven masculinity that is at the core of info wars.

So you're saying and a feat homosexual will especially a British one. Yes. Will most likely turn off his very masculine based awful awful listeners. I think it's only a matter of time before they the charm wears off for them. So if Alex is trying to give him you don't think that you don't think a certain amount of tokenism will instead make them feel more enlightened. They'll be like see you can't call us racist or homophobes. We listen to a gay man.

It's possible. But I think that I think I think the alternative is more likely just based on what I know. Johnny like these guys all love the Olympics. They've been listening to Johnny Weir. They're crying at figure skating all the time. That's something that we know about info warriors. Sure. Yep.

I don't know. And admittedly I'm just guessing. But who knows. Who knows. I don't know. I don't know. It's a it's so far it's been a really good press gambit for the two of them. Yeah.

Like everyone that all these sites are writing about it. No I have you. Milo said something. Right. Yeah. And it's weird how anytime there's a info wars change they'll write up a boring like well look at Milo is saying bullshit on info wars. But the day to day monstrosity is never covered.

Well you know why I've been thinking about that. Because we do it. Because it's fucking hard. It is fucking hard. And you know you think about the bottleneck of Alex Jones info wars related material. It generally comes from you know right wing watch or media matters. But even media matters generally gets their clips from right wing watch. And the reason is it fucking takes forever to go through all this bullshit.

And right wing watch does it for you. So right wing watch puts out a video of X Y or Z thing that they think is interesting from Alex Jones's show. And then media matters or and I'm not saying anything bad about media matters or Sam Cedar or any of these shows. Yeah. Any of these YouTube shows they pick up the thing that right wing watch put out because it's the work done for them already.

That's true. Whereas we are saying that right wing watch should hire us. No I don't want to do that. I don't want to be a part of any of those institutions. Like I thought about this. I could apply for a job at media matters and probably get one. Like based on the work that I've done already a lot of the things I've written a demonstrated track record of being on that side hypothetically.

Okay. All right. I don't know what there is more to that side that I don't know. But I would assume the competences I've displayed probably would get me at least an entry level job. You would hope. And I have no interest in that. Okay.

I don't want to move to DC. But anyway. Fair enough. So my point is work from home Dan freelance. My point is that there's nothing nefarious about the idea that everyone just covers this you know clip of Milo being embarrassing selling supplements or whatever. Yeah. It's because it's the thing that someone's already pre packaged for you and you can

just push it out. Right. I get it. I just wish that people would like you were saying look at the bigger picture. Anyway. I checked in on Friday. So I wanted to see what was happening. And so I watched a bit of it and I have a couple clips I want to play for you.

And this first one Alex is furious and he explains how he feels about this perceived censorship that's going on with YouTube and he references a Wall Street Journal article that he flashes up on screen and it doesn't say the things he says it says. Of course not. But let's enjoy. I've tried to explain this feeling. It's like coming home to your apartment because I haven't had any robbery since I live the house or apartment.

And all your stuff's been torn through and on top of it whoever was in your house over the weekend because people break in you know you stay in there. I guess because they know you're out of town or something. And then somebody pisses on your rug for no reason. Right out of Big Lebowski. You're like wow. And you're pissed on my floor. You didn't just steal my computer and TV and you know eat stuff out of the refrigerator.

You're pissed on the floor and you know that's what CNN's like. Fake news, fake town halls, fake script interviews they've all been caught. Going harassing old ladies at their houses. CNN peed on my floor. All this crap to try to bully the American. Cuomo going you're not allowed to look at WikiLeaks. You'll be arrested if you do. I am allowed to.

I mean the condescension of a narcissistic middle patient like that. I mean a drooling knuckle dragging 75 IQ thug. A thug like a stupid brother. But no I'm serious Milo. Oh he's talking to Milo. I feel gross. Rape and I don't feel like I'm a victim. I'm pissed.

I want to unscrew somebody's head politically. I mean this is a real group of flaming authoritarians that brag and celebrate that they banned you off Twitter and have financially tried to ruin you and they celebrate everywhere pissing on you constantly and people say why are that Milo guy it's fashionable to tear him down because like I said Wednesday and now I am and all these other idiot libertarian and conservative hosts that don't get this morons. Why did I give Rush Limbaugh $300 something thousand dollars when they were about to kick his show off because I could get advertising at half price and support the First Amendment.

I wonder which of those considerations was more important. Oh wait I wonder if he was so I can get advertising at half price dummies also the First Amendment whatever whatever. It's a bio sale on ads. I gave him 300 grand and he gave me services in response. Why do you think I did that. Was it just a normal transaction that we all make all the time. Was I making a good deal.

Yes but also the First Amendment baby. Was it all about it. Was it a tacit acknowledgement that he had a much wider audience than me. I was trying to poach it maybe but also the First Amendment. What did so I could tell him. Hey guess what you're failing and I'm the one who's saving you. Right. Maybe.

Was it an ego move. Maybe. Entirely possible. My cake eat it too. And I made a bunch of money for our operation. That's right. And I went and propped up Rush Limbaugh and a bunch of other people did because if they could shut him down they're going to shut us down people.

You hang together you hang separate. Member Benjamin Franklin. He's on the hundred dollar bill. He launched the whole country. You know who he is. Who. Damn these people don't have any. None.

This I'm not mad for me. We've already been demonetized. They already censor us on YouTube. It's that they're nakedly openly saying we're censors. And we're going to shut everybody down. And then the public the dumb liberals go oh good. So YouTube is a private company. Down you drooling morons.

I'm sorry. Love it politically. I love it. I'm sorry politically. So I mean he's doing good. Yeah. And the true and the true comedy of it is like Milo being on now is interesting because he fucking wouldn't touch Milo right after all the shit went down.

Oh yeah. But now you've you've. You waited out. Yeah. He's called out. Why do you think I gave three hundred thousand dollars to hire Milo. Was it because I got him super cheap.

Yeah. Maybe. Was it because his net was entirely taken off and he needs him. He needs some juice. Was it because oh he's in a desperate position because that whole fucking lawsuit he was trying to pull against his publishers didn't work out and the Mercer stopped giving him money. Maybe. Was it because I peed on him.

First entirely possible first amendment. First amendment though. So at this point they sort of pivot and you know I mean it's it's all like how Alex sort of deals with this fake idea that he's being censored. He just gets mad at his normal enemies YouTube CNN. Well I mean I've got this Wall Street Journal article. Also he does know that the look the first amendment covers what the government can do. A private company can still just do whatever you you have to agree to their terms and conditions

which clearly state you know we can fuck you over if we want. Right. You know. It's it's that it's that thing that every company has. Like when I used to manage a movie theater on every ticket it was printed. We can refuse service to anyone for any reason. Yeah. It's the same thing with most except for if you're black and most can't do it then.

Most gay in the in the maybe zone right now depends on what state. Yeah we'll see how the Supreme Court rules before we go there. And then you know every almost every state has at will employment where you can be fired for any reason or no reason. Exactly. It's just what businesses do. Yeah. To to an extent getting mad about that is like well you have a lot more to get mad at.

Yeah. You got a bigger picture to look at. But I have this Wall Street Journal article here in front of me. The headline is YouTube takes aim at conspiracies propaganda. This really is called comma propaganda. And I'll just read a little bit here. YouTube says it's planning changes to give users more context for videos promoting conspiracy theories or state sponsored content.

The latest effort by an internet giant to clean up its platform made criticism over its role in spreading misinformation. YouTube said starting Friday would label all videos coming from what it identifies as state funded broadcasters. A category that would include even the United States is public broadcasting service or PBS. The step is significant in part because YouTube has been a major conduit for RT the Russian state news organization that U.S. intelligence officials called the Kremlin's principal international propaganda outlet.

So I looked through this entire article. It doesn't say anything about censoring info wars. I think there's only one reference to Alex Jones at all in it and it's oblique at best. It's YouTube first tweaked its search results for breaking news in October after it was criticized for surfacing conspiracy theories about a mass shooting that killed 59 people during a concert in Las Vegas. The change appears to have enhanced the search results for some key news events that have attracted conspiracies.

Three days after the Las Vegas shooting in October, for instance, the fifth result for a search on YouTube was about the attacks was a video titled quote proof Las Vegas shooting was a false flag attack shooter on the fourth floor. But on Thursday night, the results were all mainstream news sources. The policy hasn't always worked though. On Wednesday, after a train carrying some Republican lawmakers with a truck, searches for GOP train crash on YouTube returned as the first result a live stream from Alex Jones, the founder of conspiracy theory site info wars as the third and as at the third a video

titled train crash attempted assassination of GOP Congress members. Question mark YouTube said its algorithm hadn't recognized the search quickly enough as a news related query. So it's talking about. I mean, Alex Jones is referenced there, but because he's part of it. Yeah, yeah. And I think you I think I think you get into dangerous territory whenever you say like, just because you're saying stupid shit, we're going to block you.

There's only like that. But yeah, but then again, if you're spreading propaganda about how these kids are crisis actors, yeah, that's a little bit different than saying stupid shit. No, I agree. I agree. And I don't think that this this is tantamount to. I don't I don't mean again goes large part of this goes to the private company aspect. But I don't I don't consider this some sort of racketeering censorship that Alex Jones

presents it as. Now, that's a good question, though. Should certain platforms be publicly owned? Like, would it be a good idea if YouTube was publicly owned? I kind of think it would. I'm not sure. Right. I haven't I haven't sat around and thought about it enough to have an informed opinion on it.

Yeah, me neither. I just thought of it right now. Let's get into it and solve it. I think it would probably create new and interesting problems. I don't know. Because it's kind of like a it's kind of like a public space now. No, everybody puts their shit up there. But they don't have to.

Like the reason you don't have to go outside either, damn. Right. But the reason the electricity and telephones are like landlines and shit like that were deemed public utilities were because without like if one company had monopoly over them, that you wouldn't have electricity in your fucking house. That's different than hey, if you don't use YouTube, you can't put your review of Black Panther up. That's not the same.

Is it? Yes. Is it different, Dan? Yes. Are you sure? It's very different. How can you survive if somebody can't get a hold of you just like with the long distance phone call?

Yeah. But it's just emailing you there. It's very different. Yeah. And if Alex Jones wants to say like, well, make it if YouTube like not letting us put stuff up, it would make it so we can't exist as a news operation. And my response to that would be there's so many ways you can host video online. And if you have a website where you can embed those videos and you have a good reputation

and people start to like what you're doing, and it shouldn't matter if YouTube is on board with you, it doesn't. I mean, you're just kind of being petty. But be that as it may. Well, I mean, that's another question though is because that's the second click through. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're on YouTube looking for Alex Jones videos, that's very different than if you're on YouTube and you see an Alex Jones video.

Do you know what I'm saying? Yes. In terms of. That introduces the whole other problem of their suggestions and stuff like that. Right. Which much has been written about, especially over at BuzzFeed. There's some interesting articles you can read about the algorithms that are used to suggest videos and how they often end people.

End up with people going down really fucked up roads. Yeah. That lead to lots of misinformation. And it seems always be on the right. That's it. It always seems to be on the conservative side. What if they just got rid of that? They could just do that, right?

But they wouldn't do that. Of course not. It would reduce their traffic, their overall traffic, their click through rates and stuff like that. Yeah, you're right. Anyway, let's get to this next clip. God damn it. Alex Jones in this next clip is going to scream butt CNN.

Well, they pissed on his rug. I get it. This Lebowski gets it. This borders on funny, but it's still not there. Okay. There's something weird about every major CNN host. I don't know where they grow these people. But there's something fake.

I just get that sort of like, I get the ick. You know when you're like, when you're dating and somebody does something really disgusting and suddenly you can never see them sexually again. Or when you see someone on television and they just make you shudder and cringe and you get that sort of flash of disgust and fear and horror. Yeah. Why doesn't Brian Stelter know? And he, he, he releases these photos.

Stop it. Take it away. There's a bunch of, I found. There's new ones. That photo that they have up on screen is a picture of him at an adult swim party. It's just clearly like a Getty images. Yeah. He didn't release it.

I just, it's just. Anyway, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What? Hold it. Save it. Save it for the end of this. Okay. I'm very angry.

We got to go on the ride. Okay. Type in Brian Stelter. There's one way does this. He does it. Type it. He looks like get the clown. I mean, he does it.

Still not named it the clown. I'm a full-born maniac. To the dancing clown. And there's, and there's clowns in popcorn. Dueling impressions. And what is happening right now? Look at that face. You're on a balloon.

The thing is, he releases these photos himself. This is official photos. He looks like that on purpose. One thing that you should keep. Wow. There's more, but hold on. One thing you need to keep in mind, and this is the true comedy of this, is Steve Pechenik is on the phone.

Wait, he's just there on the phone. Yeah. That's fantastic. He'll show up at the end of this clip. Ah, guys. Guys, I can't see the picture. I can't join in. It's just funny to know that he's silently there this whole time.

He's got a speakerphone in the background. You're a psychiatrist. He's getting a couple calls. You know somebody when they've got that lunatic, nars, whatever the face is. It's like a, I mean, if I saw something like, I'd be like, get my firearm. I mean, you know, it's like,

I'm the total second man. I'm Ryan Stilted Me. This is creepy as fuck. I don't like any of this. I don't like any of this. I see you. I mean, stop it. Well, that's the fake.

Yes. That smile is. I'm not really showing you this, but that's what I really want. What I really do is talk to her. It sounds like Alex is tickling. Sorry. Rank your three spookiest CNN hosts. Who's number one?

The supporters on sexual harassment. Cooper. Three. Como, just cause he's a knuckle dragon. Fuck. I love to see you. Not a bad, not a bad list. Don't lie.

Don't let me know. I'm going to go back to. Oh, sorry there. As a psychiatrist, that look on Stelter's face that he does everywhere says, I'm invincible. I'm in a lunatic power trip. Did Alex just say, ask a psychiatrist or as a psychiatrist?

We have the, what's the rule that goes back to Goldwater as opposed to diagnose somebody from afar. But looking at Skelter, what do you make of him and his behavior? He's not relevant. I mean, people who are dangerous. He's not relevant. He looks like a serial killer. You put his face on a heart.

You're wasting my time. It's all due respect. I've had a whole ward of serial killers. They're usually pretty quiet. Steve Pachettic here to wet blanket you. Steve Pachettic sucks. But at the same time, the way he's rude to Alex still always charms me.

It's a tickle. Yeah, but unfortunately it turns bad because here's what Steve Pachettic says next. Again, the Stony Brook, the Sandy Hook and this Parkland, they're all false flags. And what you're looking at is the nonsense of the vestiges of the press trying to be relevant as well as the FBI.

Yes, the FBI. How long does this ghost dance go on then? So Alex accepts his premise and then asks, how long does this ghost dance go on? So it just like, where at this place where he went on the, he went on Owen Shroyer's WoW Room show and did a half hour on how Parkland was fake and all this shit. It's unacceptable.

And it's just this level of shit I don't want to deal with. I wish there was a sultry breeze that could just take me away, take me away to a better place. Are you about to sultry breeze? What's this I hear? Is this the Twin Peaks theme song? What's this I hear in the distance? Is this the dulcet tones of a beautiful theme song?

Oh, this is so soothing. This is not at all like the present day. Oh, God. A dream. I see. Where is this? You'll see. Ah, it's like a...

Did you just play this song? Are you just playing this by yourself? This isn't on the show. It's on the show? This is on the show. No, it's on our show. They're just letting you play. Oh, okay.

You're just playing this. Trying to get us in a better hit space. I've heard, actually, I don't know if you know this, but I've read some studies recently, that sometimes when you're really frustrated about a right-wing propaganda... You're really going to let this happen, are you? When you're really...

This is still going on. When you're really frustrated about a right-wing propaganda. What? Sometimes, if you put on a soothing enough song, it allows you to time travel. Oh, God. Damn it, Dan. Just mellow out a little bit.

Don't you have one of those... Like flashback songs? All right, so anyway, we find ourselves now time-traveled back to 2006. Two things. Two points real quick. First off... Let me make a point real quick.

You're a bit killer. I was trying to do a bit. I saw that. You fucking walked all over it. Look, bits are about timing, Dan. I think my timing was spectacular. You dragged it out a little bit long. I'm sorry.

We'll workshop it. We'll do it on the next time travel. From the top. All right. Okay. Why is it that these guys are always like, oh, liberals are such... But they're all triggered and all this stuff.

And the way they describe everybody's appearance is like it makes me shudder and cringe. That's it? Yeah. Like all it takes is Brian Stelter to make you curl up into a ball, like a little titty baby. That's what these people are.

This sounds interesting, but since I am in 2006 right now, I have no idea who Brian Stelter is. So I... He was just a twinkle in his father's eye. He was certainly not on CNN back then. There's a method to my madness. Yes.

We're now in 2006. Don't make me. Hello out, baby. So we are now back in 2006 for a very specific reason. It was in 2006 for whatever reason David Lynch went on Info Wars. That's why you played it. Very nice.

Let's do this. Let's do this. I can't believe you didn't let that happen. David Lynch? What the fuck is your problem? What do you mean I didn't let that happen? That would have been so fucking smooth if it just... All right.

If you hadn't had it gone back to Brian Stelter. 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,520 Okay, then let's edit this and we'll go. So in 2006, David Lynch was putting out Inland Empire. And he also had a book that he was putting out. And I don't... I never will understand why anybody accepts an invitation from Alex to come on.

Because you kind of have to know that there's a reason. Like if you're going on and you're not one of the... Like the whack pack, you know, like the Steve Pochettics, the Matt Brackens, these type of guys, the Gerald Salentes, the Lionels. Like if you're not one of these guys and he's calling you, like if you're David Rothschild and he's like, you want to come on, you got to know there's an agenda.

And David Lynch doesn't... I don't think he realizes that there's an agenda to why Alex wants to have him on. And you could never know what this agenda is. Now. Now. It's surprising. There are people who come on and have their own agenda

that take over, like Christopher Walken. He wanted to tell him what they were cooking. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. And then he naps a lot. It's interesting that you bring that up. Because generally, whenever Alex does something like this,

you end up with the world's worst interview. Yes, he's a terrible interview. Because you have Alex who has his agenda that he's pushing for, and then this guest who has their agenda, and they're working across purposes. They can't ever get quite on the same page. And quite frankly, the guest is right. Yeah.

Because they were clearly told beforehand, you can come on to promote your XYZ thing. It's a promotion. Yes. That's what those interviews with those outlets are. Right. I'll accept some questions and what have you. But I'm here to talk about my book.

David Rothschild even said as much. I'm here to talk about my book and the Live Earth Concert. You get a couple of questions that are like, hey, what are you about to do? And then your next question is, so you got a new movie coming out. Right. So let's see how this all goes. Here's the introduction.

And I'll say this. I think Alex does actually seem like he's a fan. OK. I think he is a Lynch fan. All right. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. We've got about 24 minutes left in this broadcast today. And I'm really honored to have an amazing director and writer

on with us. I'm a fan of so many of his films. The Elephant Man, Eraserhead, The TV Show, Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, Lost Highway. It goes on and on. I even like Dune. What an epic film there. It's a great movie.

And he is a prolific individual. He's got a new movie coming out. He was just screening in here in Austin. He has a signing at Barnes and Nobles today at North Austin. We'll tell you about that. We have links to it up on infowars.com right now. And you know, he's also made headlines with some of his statements and politics lately.

He is David Lynch. And the new film coming out is Inland Empire. Mr. Lynch, it's a real honor to be able to speak with you. Good to talk to you, Alex. What the fuck? Yeah, it's time. He's listing credits. He likes Dune.

I even like Dune. I even like Dune. Right. I mean, it does seem like, I mean, whenever he has someone on, generally. So wait a second. Are you telling me that Lost Highway was about OJ? We're going to talk OJ?

Hold on. Oh, yes. We're totally going to talk OJ, aren't we? Alex has some theories about Lost Highway. He wants to run by Lynch. But that's in a little bit. All right. First, now I'm excited.

I didn't know we were just going to get to talk Lynch. No, before we get to that, Alex really wants to know what Inland Empire is about and David Lynch. Eventually, Sandy Hook will happen, and it will be a false flag. And also, when in Twin Peaks, I don't understand Twin Peaks. What was going on with Bob? What was going on?

Who was Bob? What was, who, wait, was that? What was up with that midget? Was that the same guy? So Alex really wants to know right off the bat, what Inland Empire is about. And David Lynch, I'm not surprised by this, isn't thrilled with that sort of question.

So they kind of butt heads a tiny bit. Tell us about Inland Empire. I haven't gotten a chance to see it yet. Tell us about the film. Well, Al, I say about it is it's a story of a woman in trouble. And I'm telling you, it's like quite a few of your films. It's pretty complex. Well, you know, Alex, I love stories,

and particularly stories that are at one level concrete stories that hold abstractions. And abstractions are things that cinema can say, things that are, you know, we experience in life, but cinema can say them. So it's an experience that may be difficult to put into words, but cinema can say it. Wait for Alex's fucking stupid question.

He'll think it. And it's a beautiful language of film. And I would say Inland Empire holds some of this. I mean, how would you describe it though? I mean, if you could say there's a plot to this David Lynch film, and it's getting obviously rave reviews. What Alex is saying there is my audience is stupid. Please just fucking tell them that's about like a guy who wants to do a thing.

All right, that's great. There's a lot of music and poetry to film, and I understand where you're coming from. I too have abstract feelings inside my heart that I need to express at the same time. I have to deal with reality, and I think you mix the two together. But seriously, what the fuck is the movie about?

You're getting into a little, your impression drifted to Ventura. I know, it didn't get back. New York Times, Austin American Statesmen in front of me. I mean, for those that, I mean, to give them some handle. Listen, David. What's the basis with Inland Empire? Well, you know, Alex, bless your heart, man.

It's a story of a woman in trouble, and that's it, you know? So he's not going to get that plot synopsis. I think in that clip there, we see the first indication of two men not seeing eye-to-eye on what conversation is, because a decent interviewer would have heard that Lynch's answer and maybe asked a question about film, or a follow-up on that sort of thing.

And Alex is like, please tell me the plot. That's not good. Give me a book report, please. There's nowhere to go from there. I'm not going to watch this movie. Your guest has already indicated, I'm not interested in telling the plot of this, you know, there's, you know, blah, blah, blah.

And so like, your next question is like, you're just going for another lap around the same thing. And then David Lynch explains like, you know, I like to go into a movie not knowing too much, because then you enter a world and it opens in front of you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That sounds like a Lynchian thing to say. So then at this point,

Alex pitches his theory about Lost Highway, which I'm intrigued that you called out. Now, I've got to ask you this question, and we'll get back into Inland Empire and some of the other things you're doing in your new book. But Lost Highway, I mean, I have my own interpretation of it. And, you know, basically like an alternate reality or a total hallucination, somebody who's insane.

I mean, any comments on, from the director on Longwood? Well, you know, I've been saying, he's a false flag. Looking back on Lost Highway, that, that, I wrote the screenplay with Barry Gifford. He and I wrote the screenplay together. And there, we never really talked about this, but it was at a time when the O.J. Simpson trial was going on.

And, you know, similar things with the character Fred Madison. How a human being can do a thing that is so horrible and keep on living and smiling and as O.J.'s playing golf. So, there is a thing that we've discovered, a psychogenic fugue where the mind tricks itself to hide the horror of something done. That's what I thought. In fact, I was arguing with some of my staff last night,

and they were saying it was one thing, and I was saying, no, it's two different personalities. That's not quite what you thought. No. In fact, that's the complete opposite of what he just tried to explain to you. Yeah. And Alex heard psychogenic fugue and got the word wrong.

And it's going to lead to a very weird end to the sentence that he's embarked on here. Well, it's, you know, you can, I won't say any more, but the thing is that more often than not, well, in the long run, nothing stays hidden. So, there you go. Well, I'm having a psychogenic fugue right now because I want to get you on about all these great subjects,

and I'm such a big fan. And I'm having a psychogenic fugue right now. Top five answers on the board. I'm Mr. Lynch because I'm trying to control myself and be honorable. Okay, well, good for you, Alex. Take a laugh. Oh, man.

I, uh, I, uh, okay. Tell us about the new books, sir. That's, that's bad. I, uh, I, uh, okay. I'm having a psychogenic fugue because I want to be honorable for you, Alex. Yeah. Tell me about your book.

What does a psychogenic fugue look like? It's him struggling right there when he's laughing and all that shit. It's, it's the two parts of him that's like, I want, I love this guy because I think he is a fan. Yeah. I think it's, I think it feels like he is a David Lynch fan. But at the same time, there's something he wants to ask him

and he can't directly ask him. That's the feud that's inside Alex. Right. There's something that like, he's hoping he can just. Did you start the Iraq war? He wants to find the pivot point that'll get him to the, the topic that he wants the interview to be about.

And so far it's kind of about creativity. Furiel, what is doing about? So he's like, at this point, Alex sort of retreats. It's the spice of metaphor. It's probably a metaphor. At this point, Alex retreats and is like, all right, you, you came on to talk about your book. Let's let me ask you about your book.

Okay. Tell us about the new book, sir. Well, the new book is called Catching the Big Fish, Meditation, Consciousness, and Creativity. And it's a book, you know, about, you know, my 33 years of meditation and, and how it works with catching ideas. Because I say in there that, you know, ideas are like fish. And we can, we can catch these ideas.

And if we can expand that container of consciousness, we can catch ideas on a deeper and deeper level. See if Alex has a good follow up with this. Creativity flowing by learning how to Are you a chimera? And contacting that unbounded infinite ocean inside every human being. And it feeds the creativity and it feeds the joy of doing things.

Oh, I agree. In fact, you're a prolific guy. I mean, you're working hard. I mean, on this multifaceted tour right now, just shifting gears, talking about, you know, things in your subconscious, in Twin Peaks, the owls, the owls are omens of evil, the owls, the owls, in, in, in more Western or Greek mythology, it's wisdom,

or the guardian of the high places. But in Native American, it's a harbinger of evil and destruction. Why did you, you know, why are the owls, these totems of wickedness in your Twin Peaks? Mostly that came from Mark Frost. So I don't even, I don't really, you know, know. Okay, great. All right. So that was a follow up.

Was that like a stealth? You a Native American? I don't know. Maybe, or like, Is it some sort of pagan shit? I don't know, because it's a non sequitur to him talking about his book, which spoiler alert, his book is just pimping Transcendental Meditation. Yeah.

And I have some bad news about Transcendental Meditation. It works? It's a cult. No. Yes. Oh, it's a giant, giant, I would say, bordering on. I think it's like. Wasn't the guy who popularized it?

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. He was definitely, he was definitely arrested for rape charges, I believe. Well, I don't know about that. I don't know a whole lot about his personal history and I don't really. It's not great. I don't think it's, well, I mean, I'm sure it's terrible, but I don't think it's relevant to like the David Lynch appearance here, nor the nature of Transcendental Meditation and the TM and what have you.

I would describe it kind of as like it being on par with Scientology, just without the horror stories, the public horror stories. Without the history of blackmail and private investigators. It's some really crazy stuff once you start to look into it. I think it's a pretty generally evil thing that is couched. Well, Dan, actually, I blackmailed Mark Frost into. Putting owls into it. Becoming a pagan ritual man.

I don't want to jump in half-cocked on this, but like quite frankly, Transcendental Meditation, I believe from all the research that I've done into it, and looking into it, I think what they do is they take something very positive that is meditation, and they've made a very dangerous cult around it. So you have the positive benefits that you achieve through meditation. And by gradual indoctrination, you associate them with this group. And I don't know, I've read a bunch of stuff about the practices that they have. And it's not good.

Like when you get away from just, you know, traditional meditation, and start going into like a autobiography of a yogi and floating and beings of light and all of that shit. And you're like, ah, okay. So all right, guys, I'll just I'll just go ahead and jump into the TM stuff. Might as well. We've already broached the subject trademark. The basis of Transcendental Meditation and the sort of selling point of it,

what David Lynch is going to get into a little bit here on this episode. And everybody does who sells this, you know, people like Jim Carrey, the list of celebrity practitioners of TM is like, it's a mile long. Got to meditate. And meditation is good. It's really good for you. It's very, it's very helpful. But they claim and the hook is that it's a relaxation based thing.

And like you and that's, you know, that's how you open the door. But you have to you have to get in. You have to pay for classes. And generally speaking, they're about $1,000 or more. Unless you get them really unless you get them through your school, because a lot of schools have meditation programs that are done through Transcendental Meditation. I did not know that.

And they do those. The students don't really have to pay for those, but of course not. Are my tax dollars going to subsidize Transcendental Meditation, Dan? I don't know. I imagine most of it's done in private schools because it is a little, I don't know. It's a little hippie-dippy. I haven't done enough research into that to say where the schools are that are doing it. But I'm a little uncomfortable with it because of its branding.

We're just teaching kids meditation. I'd be totally into that. I think that's a very, very positive thing. In the school of Transcendental Meditation though, once you pay for these classes, undergo a ritual called the puja. I don't like rituals. At the end of which, you're given a mantra that's supposed to be your personal mantra. And the idea of it is sort of that if you tell anyone what your mantra is,

then it stops working, which is a way that they... That way they can just give out the same mantra to whomever. These people are so stupid. And because of the nature of this puja ceremony, they're trying to present this idea that they're creating a personalized mantra for you. But it's leaked since documents that show how they choose the mantras, and it's based on your age. That's the only thing that it's based on.

And so they get around that. They can't even do any cold reading? No. Like that's a little disappointing. Like even a good con man along those lines can do some cold reading. I mean, I imagine there's a little bit of intuitive stuff, like seeing if you're falling for this and that sort of thing. Need to push harder or if you're going along.

People who have been trained... Your mantra is Charles Manson. Charles Manson is your mantra. Well, here's the interesting thing. I want to... I... So the mantra thing is... It's arbitrary.

You know, it's just words. What is your mantra? Well, see, I actually have fooled around with this a little bit in the past. And I can speak to its effectiveness, let's say. So I found a video years ago from a guy who used to be a teacher of Transcendental Meditation who had left the group and was sort of speaking out against the sort of more dangerous practices of how it is essentially. Like the puja ritual that you go in is...

It's basically inducting a trance. It's putting you in a trance-like state, giving you this mantra. And then there's a bunch of follow-up shit. You have these like recessions that you have to go to. So they check if you're doing it right. And those sorts of things. They hit your knee with the reflex hammer and do the whole thing. All those things are reinforcing of that trance state

and teaching you to get into the trance state yourself. The mantra that they give you is super unimportant. It's just the act of repeating this thing. And so the guy was explaining... It's like OM. Yeah, the guy was explaining that all you have to do is basically choose a slightly long thing that doesn't really have a necessary meaning to it. Because if it has words that have too much of a meaning,

your brain will like think about the meaning. And so I came up with something and I tried it. And like if you do put in like a good 20 minutes, half hour, a couple times doing that, like I did reach some sort of a state that I would describe as altered. Like it was like my body felt entirely different. My brain felt like I was going to a different place. It was incredibly powerful.

Like I felt it felt great. You know, especially devoid of the teachings of the trans-dental meditation people outside of their grasps or whatever. I think the method of inducing a trance in yourself is pretty effective from my admittedly limited exploration of it. But now if you were doing that... I fucked around with some Zen Buddhism in the past. The difference is like with Zen Buddhism,

you just kind of get there and you shut the fuck up. Right. And you try and get your brain to shut the fuck up. Yeah. That's pretty much it. There's a hundred schools of meditation and none are better than any other. They're all just different routes to quietness or whatever. But the state that I got in,

I imagine achieving that state in the presence of people who are trained to induce that state. I think it would be an incredibly vulnerable thing. And it scares the shit out of me. The idea that this millions of dollar organization that charges people tons of money and has a bunch of celebrities pimping it is sort of based around that. Like the reports that I've read of these ceremonies are like they're manipulative as fuck. Of course.

Like the essential... Still selling a religion. The essential pieces of it are basically you undergoing like ritualized things where the instructor tells you to do things, which is tacitly you submitting to them. Then you get put in a trance state. You're taught this mantra and then you're able to re-trance yourself. Yeah.

And I don't think I don't think... Is that any worse than a church giving you the Holy Ghost? You know? I don't think that usually... That's something of a trance state. I don't think that's not from my experience with churches. No, of course not. I think neither of us are church people.

If you have those really wildly evangelical churches with the touching of hands and stuff like that. Yeah, the Pentecostals and all those guys. Yeah, a lot of those do also through the chanting and the jumping around. What they try and do is make you lose your breath a little bit. Exactly. There are those that are very similar, yes. But we're not talking about them today because they aren't the guest on Info Wars. Fair enough.

Fair enough. And so the issue that you come to is that the deeper you get into it, the more that sort of gets revealed to you. The idea that it's relaxation and clearing your head and creativity sort of fades away. And in the later stages, if you keep going, you end up learning all kinds of things about like spiritual purity, moral perfection, getting in touch with the cosmic consciousness. I don't like that part. And eventually there are weekend retreats that explain like communing with the God consciousness.

Oh, that's great. Personalized deities you can get in touch with. Just really fucked up considering they're charging tons of money for all of it. I don't like anything that's eventually like, oh man, you're going to reach the next level. Right. Oh, if you just give us more money, you're going to get to reach the next level. Speaking of which, you can become a policy wonk, time travel level, and you can, yeah.

So I think that you can use the techniques of the Transcendental Meditation teaches as a conduit to good meditation. I sincerely think that's the case. Well, yeah. But it's how they hook you. I think outside of the church, because it is, it is a fucking church. It's a church. I think that you can do that.

But I have some very serious misgivings about Transcendental Meditation as an organization. And then further, I think that you have to be very careful with this sort of method of inducing a transfer meditation because there is a slight dissociation that comes along with it. And again, I can speak to that in terms of the experience that I had when I was using these techniques. There was a sense of detachment from my body and detachment from my brain. Yeah, you had to go to rehab to get off those techniques. It wasn't, it wasn't that full, but I do worry.

Like there are tons and tons of stories of people who have had psychotic breaks and stuff like that from using these techniques because of the implicit dissociation. It can reinforce dangerous ideas that you may have about like things not being real. And that sort of thing. There's hundreds of stories you can find about. That's not good. People who had to go basically did have to go to rehab or were hospitalized. They've meditated too hard.

Yeah, yeah. Using the, because again, it's just. I did not know you could do that. It's dissociation and trans stuff, which can exacerbate underlying conditions that you may have. It's not something that should be undertaken lightly. And I don't, I don't know that from what I can find, I don't think that the Transcendental Meditation Organization is careful enough with, with power of the techniques they use. Did not realize that.

Yeah. There's a, there's a check with your doctor before you meditate to see if you're healthy enough for an active sex life. I think no matter what, I think everyone's meditation lasts longer than four hours. Then that's, that's pretty long. That's tantric at that point. Yeah, that's too much. I think, I think though, like, if you're just doing like mindfulness meditation or

something like that, real basic stuff, you're, you're in the clear. I think you're fine. But other, other techniques. Once you get into the God consciousness, then you're fucked. Right. It can be, it can be a little, it can be a little much. And again, it's, it, I think, I think it would be the same thing with, you know, if you look at almost any culture's yogic practices.

Yeah. You know, I think you do end up with, you know, the whirling dervishes and shit. They do dissociate to a certain extent by spinning. Right. A lot of cultures have, that the idea of the communion with God implicit within it is dissociation from yourself. And that's not always, I don't know, I'm walking a fine line here. Well, I mean, let's, the, the, the real bottom of it is ultimately consciousness sucks.

And you want to try and take a break from it. Some people do drugs. Some people meditate. Some people do the church thing. Everybody realizes implicitly at the very like base level, being aware sucks. Like, don't you wish you were unaware? Don't you wish you weren't? I think, I think, you know, I think just a bundle of instincts and your love.

You're using, I think aware is the wrong word. I think self-aware. I think it's more, are you tired of being yourself or do you want a little break from normal, whatever. Right. Anyway, I just think it's interesting that like often Alex Jones is our villain. And to me, I think David Lynch is a little bit more of a villain. Because he has the David Lynch Foundation through Transcendental Meditation.

And he's selling a book. I thought it was because he casted Kyle McLaughlin as Paul The Trades. And that should never have happened. Look, it's, I don't, I look, I don't want to get into casting decisions. All I'm saying is Patrick Stewart wasn't the right casting choice there either. I love it. It's very frustrating. I love Sherilyn Finn.

That's true. What else we got? She was pretty great. But I, he's, he's on here to pimp this book, Catching the Big Fish. And that's just a book that is extolling the virtues of Transcendental Meditation that automatically, I mean, any of these books that are about Transcendental Meditation, don't tell you the techniques or anything like that. Well, you can't, you have to go to the classes.

Right. That's part of it. They're not going to give that shit out for free. Of course not. Lynch had to pay for it. You lose a thousand dollars. Yeah, exactly. The, the people who are the teachers, they have to sign an oath that includes the following passage.

I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training, I had no prior knowledge of such a system of teaching, that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such teaching may be obtained, that such training is secret and unique. I am a link in the chain of organizations that you have founded, and that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement, you have laid down the wise rule that, should I ever cease to teach admin, fill in the blank organization, or any other organization founded by you for the purpose of teaching Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropriate process from using the secret teaching

of Transcendental Meditation imparted to me. That's the appropriate process. That's probably the law. I mean, I, the way I read that is that's an implied gag order. You can't copyright Transcendental Meditation, can you? The techniques, I think that's what that, you can patent the techniques that doesn't exist either. The oath is essentially a contract where like I won't, I respect that this is secret and unique,

and if I ever leave, I wouldn't tell these secrets to people. Yeah, but it's like the it's like the iTunes terms and conditions. You just, you just agree to it and then you move on. I think it's like a differently worded non-disclosure agreement. Yeah, pretty much. I think that a lot of people maybe have held to it, but at this point now in 2018, plenty of people have come out and explained exactly what is going on, but David Lynch's book, The Catching a Big Fish is not going to be like,

here's the techniques you can use. At the end of it, it's going to be check out the Transcendental Meditation workshop near you or whatever. Yeah. So it's a big ad. Right. And so is his appearance here on Infowars. But Alex is like, you think I spent $100,000 getting David Lynch on here?

But so we now kind of have established what David Lynch's goal is. He wants to talk about this. Yes. He wants to talk about his book that is selling Transcendental Meditation. But Alex still has a different goal that we haven't established yet, that he has been butting his head up against the wall with stupid questions that have nothing to do with what David Lynch just said. Yeah.

And I don't know. I don't think he gets to the point in this next clip, but let's see. Evil is a strange thing to think about. There's plenty of it, especially just on the surface of our world. And it all is in a ball with negativity. And negativity is like a dark black cloud. Don't be negative. It's all vague enough.

We all got a bunch of negativity and stresses and all kinds of things floating in us. And we got a big cloud on the road. And if you want to blow that negativity away, all you have to do is learn to dive within and ramp up that lighted unity inside everyone. You grow that light up. And the side effect of that is negativity starts to recede. The key to enlightenment, the full potential of the human being is there. And the key to peace on earth is there.

It's very, very beautiful. Mr. Lynch, we're speaking with legendary director and writer David Lynch. Earlier, you talked about how in Lost Highway, you were kind of paralleling in a way OJ and how to live a normal life and then be involved in other things that aren't so positive. Any of your latest films or works? Is there any archetypal images that in your mind are representing things happening in the world with the war in Iraq or politics or the Patriot Act? No.

Just direct. No. So again, again, Lynch is going off on this like, you know. You can see the oceans through your stars, whatever. Right. But again, the language that he's using is specifically like advocating the benefits of transcendental meditation will be able to bring the world peace on earth. Yeah, absolutely.

No big deal. If you don't transcendentally meditate, all I'm saying is that you're the reason wars happen. No big deal. So instead of asking a follow up question to that, because I think Alex realizes, like, I don't know, this is a little weird. He instead goes to the a very, he was, it seemed like he was really close to being like, stop talking about this homo shit. Well, so at this point, Alex is like, I'm going to just fucking come out with it and

ask you the question. Right. I'm going to fucking ask you. Tell me about the war. Here's, he's like dipping his toe in. Right. He's being like, just what can you bring this up? Maybe it's in your films.

Maybe it's in your book. Come on. Let's let's mix it up on the Iraq war. Well, you'll see on the other side of this clip that like David Lynch knows what Alex wants to ask him. He's David Lynch. Alex keeps being like, I want you to bring this up. I don't want to be an asshole.

Right. You bring this up. But sooner or later, I'm going to be an asshole, David. And here's where. No, you know, they say that all kinds of art reflects our world. And I think that ideas come out of, um, you know, our, our feeling the world and, and, you know, hearing and things, but the ideas themselves that I get are separate. Stop talking.

I'm not going to show a message. They're not made to, you know, do anything. It's just ideas that you get your fall in love with them and you see the way cinema, for instance, could translate those ideas. So here, David Lynch has explained creativity to Alex and the creative process. Fairly good job so far. Now let's see what happens. And then you're rolling and a whole thing comes out.

And only later as more and more of it comes out, do you see a theme or do you see a thing, you know, like that, but you don't set out to tell a message. I understand. No, you don't. My listenership will crucify me if I don't at least mention the Dutch TV interview, uh, that you did and, and you commented on, uh, the film loose change. Oh boy. Now we're getting into it.

Yeah. Why was it, wait, wait, he commented on the film loose change. Yeah. He won on Dutch. Also, it's not a film. He went on Dutch television and the interviewer asked him about, uh, loose change. And why did that happen? I don't know.

It's very weird, but he, he, uh, he's sitting there and he's like, yeah, I have, I have a lot of questions about 9 11. And so he, he talks about on the, in this Dutch. So we're doing 9 11 truth or ism? Well, not really. Alex is David Lynch is just confused. So on, on in the, where is New York? He doesn't say anything in the clip I watched of this interview.

He doesn't say anything negative about, uh, loose change. He doesn't say anything, um, that's to say, like, they're right about their conclusions. Right. Just that these sorts of questions, uh, make you look at what you think you experienced in a different way. And I have questions that I don't, I don't understand. Like the Pentagon, the hole in the building is too small for a plane. I don't understand what happened there.

These questions haven't been answered. And then the host is like, uh, what about the ideas that, uh, the government did this? And he's like, those sorts of ideas are too big for people to think about. Like your brain can't handle those sorts of ideas. Right. The Ram, he's, he's implying like the ramifications. But Kyle McLaughlin turning into Bill Pullman. So that's easy.

That's easy. So Alex wants, the whole thing is like, I want to talk 9 11 with you, bro. That's, that's all he wanted to get to. You know what? Now that I go back and think about it, dude, I don't think, I don't think Alex gave him the Mulholland drive credit. No, I don't think he did. Alex doesn't like Mulholland drive.

That's what you took away from me. This is the only thing that I can think about now. He also didn't reference Firewalk with me. Well, yeah, but nobody needs to do that. So anyway, this leads to the two of them talking about 9 11 a little bit. Okay. And you commented on the film loose change second edition and, and, and what happened with the towers and just said people can't deal with that.

Why, why did you even bring that up? Or did you know they were going to bring that up? You know, I knew they were going to bring it up. And, um, so, you know, you saw what I said, um, you know, we're, we're all, you know, light detectives, human beings are like detectives. Like we, or lights. See now, even from context clues, I can't figure out if he was saying light detectives or we are similar to detectives.

I have no idea. It's, it's within character to say either. Immediately after transcendental meditation, meditation talk. Sure. We're all light, we're all light detectives. He's going to talk about light and darkness and about how like the answer to darkness is adding more light. So I do think he might be saying we're light detectives possible.

I have no idea. Look at our world and we keep looking at it and, and, and we get these feelings that there's more going on than meets the eye. And, you know, this is a, it's a world of clues, a world of mystery, but the mystery can get, you know, can get solved. And, you know, but you can find these answers for, you know, a lot of these things within as far as 9 11 goes, what there's, you know, find it within. There's things that, you know, we, we saw that conjure questions and wondering and

something, it doesn't seem quite right. So it makes us wonder. And then why was JFK? We need answers. We need answers. That's all. Well, I certainly agree with you. You know, two months before 9 11, I send you a video clip of it.

In fact, we ought to go post it on your website. We should talk about your website. You've got a lot of, here he's just trying to brag that he predicted 9 11. Yeah. Perspectives on 9 11 that you're allowing folks to submit and post there. We've got a link to your site up on info wars. Keep in mind, this is 2006 and we'll give out that web address before you leave us in any other sites that you think are important, Mr Lynch, but, but, you know,

the, the establishment told us or an arm of it that this is a foundational event. And now we've got Newt Gingrich talking about open martial law on the end of free speech in America show it's literally survival of my, which I will support in 12 years country to expose this. And I did get to support you in 12 years. Talk about what was going to happen two months before it took place because I saw preparatory actions in the media. And so that's why I am compelled to, to do what I do.

Exposing what happened on that date. I mean, you say you have questions. What are a few of the questions that you have concerning 9 11? I have the same questions that were brought up and all the things you mentioned. And I just don't have the answers. So David Lynch, that's a very good answer. Yeah. David Lynch's position about this 9 11 truth or ism is the like, there's a lot of really weird stuff, but the explanations given.

I mean, I think this is what he's saying because in the in loose change and in any of these 9 11 documentaries that you're going to watch documentaries and quotes, what you're going to find is you're going to find answers. You know what I mean? They provide an answer. And if you, if you are David Lynch and you have watched these films and you're coming away from it saying like, I got, I got questions about a lot of this stuff and you don't have answers.

That means you're rejecting the answers that are given in the documentary. That's a good point. So there's an implied piece of it that he's like, this is unsatisfactory as an explanation for it. But I still am not like what they said. I don't like what you said. I don't fucking know. Why isn't anybody just telling me?

And I, you know what? I think that, especially as we are people who do a podcast about a propagandist conspiracy theorist, I think that there is a pressure to have an answer. And I appreciate David Lynch coming on here and being like, I don't have the answers because I don't either. I don't think where do you fall in 9 11? I don't think we need to have an answer to that question. I have no idea.

I have no idea. There's a lot of weird stuff, a lot of weird things. I'm like, David Lynch, I got questions out of the answers. Don't fucking ask me that question. I dare you. I know, I know that loose change is a shit documentary though. I know, I got that answer. Right.

That's a good one. That's a good answer. Um, check out their bibliography. I don't know actually, because it wasn't Alex Jones. It's all just ask Jeeves links. Alex Jones didn't make that. He just produced it. So they might actually have an article or who cares.

Anyway, the idea that Lynch is saying I have questions, not answers leads into this, which I think is a fanciful bullshit. In the Dutch piece, you mentioned how the towers fell at the speed of one of them fell at the speed of gravity, which every engineer that's looked at it says is impossible, unless there were control demolitions. I understand Alex. You know, there's, there's, there's questions arising from each of the events that day. And I don't have the answers.

I just have the, the, you know, um, Is he your instinct? It's the instinct means I'm hungry. I want to eat. I think that's impulse. Intuition is the thing. Oh, yeah. Intuition is higher than intellect.

Oh, yes. It's emotion. Yeah, it's intuition. I, I, I appreciate what you're saying. Now go on back to meditation. When you learn to dive within, which is so beautiful an experience, a human, human experience. Well, then you understand 9-11. Contact the ocean of knowingness, pure, vibrant consciousness, knowingness, intuition grows.

Intuition is like, it's an ocean of solutions. And you get that knowingness going. You know, it's gotta get that knowingness going. It feeds the, you know, all artistic processes and all creative processes. Nothing we do as man, it doesn't, you know, start with, uh, it starts with an idea, catching those ideas and seeing a way, a knowing a way to translate that, to make something and make it feel correct based on the idea. And, you know, it just goes like that.

At this point, I think what he's essentially pushing is 9-11 is solvable through transcendental meditation. I'm pretty sure that's what he's saying. Yeah, let's finish this clip. But I think 99% sure that's what he's telling Alex. So he's saying that if that's a weird thing for him to say, that's a weird claim for him to make considering he doesn't have any answers. Well, your answers can only be found within.

Yeah, but he's obviously transcendentally meditating all the time. He's, he's shilling for it. So he should know what happened on 9-11. But he hasn't, he hasn't reached complete enlightenment yet. You understand? That's where the 9-11 questions are. That's where the answers are. That's what we should do.

That's our religion. You have to be careful. Our religion is once you get to a certain level, we tell you about 9-11. There's a, yeah, if you donate a hundred bucks a month, we'll tell you. No, no. But I, I, you can't wait to hear the audio drop for that one. I'll tell you that right now. I think that there is a piece of this that is self contradictory that you just brought up,

which is that idea that like the answers are within. I am one of the world's most leading transcendental meditators. And I'm telling you, I don't have answers, which leads me to believe just using A then B, B then C, A then C sort of argument. You don't, the answers aren't within. I think that's what I'm going to take away from that. They're within Saudi Arabia. All right.

Hello. Hello. 23 pages redacted. There's an intuition going when we see things. Well, also we know that, that only two or three percent of our intellect is focused in the cerebral cortex. So the more powerful centers of the brain really already know the answer. But like you said in that Dutch interview,

people can't handle what their intellect is telling them at the conscious level. Yeah. Well, there's, um, what, what did you just say in the beginning? Well, I was just saying that the cerebral cortex, let me just tell you one thing about that, that, that brain of ours, they say we only use five or 10% of it. Nobody says that now with brain research. Well, stupid people say that.

Memes do. They can show you that when you transcend, when you really experience the deepest level of life, the full brain is engaged. And it's the only experience that, that, that brings the whole brain into, you know, course. Oh, this is amazing. I totally agree with you.

I call it super brainstorming. Do it every day. And it's, it's thinking, you know, doesn't do it. Well, stay there. Tell us more about it in the final segment. Quick break. So Alex thinks that super brainstorming is what he's talking about, but because David Lynch hasn't used like specific language,

that's really going to set off the buzzers in Alex Jones head. He's allowing David, like what he said there, like the transcending allows you to use all of your brain. Sure. These are just TM, like the movie Lucy. These are TM talking points. Scarlett Johansson was great. He's trying to indoctrinate Alex's audience.

He's trying to use this appearance. He's seducing them away from Christ. Oh boy. Yeah. That's what David Lynch is. That's why David Lynch went on info wars in fairness. That's not off brand for him. He kind of does that in almost every interview.

No, I'm, I'm for it. So I'm not, I'm not for the transcendental meditation part. No, but I seducing Alex's audience. Oh yeah. Yeah. Every one of them. So anyway, they, they, they end this here with Alex being like, Oh yeah, I do that all the time.

He's like, no, no, no, no, you're thinking. That's not what I'm talking about. And so Alex is like, on the other side of this, Alex, I don't think you've understood a word. I've said this entire interview. You haven't been listening. Yeah. So they come back from break and then at this point,

like it just sort of turns into a sales pitch for transcendental meditation. Are we going to, are we going to a fucking ad pivot? For a lynchee and we're going to a lynchee and ad ad pivot is again, our guest sir, finishing up with what you were saying about using more of 20% of our specials, you know, turning, I guess, your intellect on or so on. I mean, describe exactly what you're getting at. Well, you know, Alex, it's, it's something we just don't hear so much about in the West. There's so much misunderstanding about meditation.

There's so many different kinds of meditation, but there truly is a within. And if you think about it, so many sentences we've heard have the word within, within, within, within the sense. Within the sense. And first seek the kingdom of heaven, which lies within. And all else will be added unto you. So the sleeper must awaken.

The sleeper must awaken. And you can awaken it by experiencing that deepest level. Terrible people. The kingdom of heaven. Within. We were talking during the break and I was saying 9-11, I think it's the key to exposing this whole agenda. And you're saying that's the surface.

I guess we've got to change our problems on the surface. Alex. He's not talking about 9-11. The ocean of solutions is within. Alex. And live in that. You're not going to get it. The unified field of quantum physics.

You just want him to say that 9-11 was an inside job. Oh yeah. That's all he wants. Know thyself. What a starfucker. And live in that and watch things get better. Well, people should get conscious. They should get exposed.

Sure. Believe me. Sure. Sure. Sure. Um, so yeah. See that's all. That's all Alex wants.

He has his goal. You don't want the Christopher Walken interview to re-happen and for him to just randomly be like, we cooked. I love this salad. 9-11 was an inside job. And these tomatoes that he made, fucking incredible. I think salt, pepper on them.

He really got some butter in there. He kind of baked it a little bit. 9-11 was an inside job. I made the chicken. We also had steak because we're, hey, we're very rich actors. I think Walken's crazy like a fox enough to not do that. Like he would probably, I imagine he would be in the middle of talking about that salad they were making.

Right. Alex asked about 9-11 and then he'd say something crazy and walk away. Just knowing that if I'm off camera, he won't know that I'm not here. He'll do the little stair walk move or he just gets a weapon of choice video. He starts dancing around like, hey, that guy's crazy.

Oh, I didn't want to talk to him about that. But David Lynch, like to his credit, I think he knows that like I'm not going to talk 9-11 with you. I'm going to use your questions and your repeated badgering as a way for me to sell Transcendental Meditation more as a way to like, hey, 9-11's just one of the problems on this physical realm surface when in reality, all religions have been talking about the within

that only we can really give you access to. Which is why I worship volcanoes. Exactly. It's where the within comes without. So here's the last clip that takes us out of the interview. And again, it's just more, it's more Lynch shilling for TM. Well, I would say that not just getting to a higher level, the general public's almost mesmerized by the culture

and not even awake at a basic level. But then why did you go public and question powerfully? And I commend you for that. I don't think he questioned powerfully. He did not really do that. 9-11, when we're talking during the break, he was just saying more people didn't go public. Why did you go public then?

Because, you know, all they ask me questions. You know, when you see that, does it make you wonder about things? Why did you tell the Dutch and why won't you tell me? It just makes me wonder. Well, you mentioned some key points. You mentioned some key points. Also, the Dutch weren't the producers of the filming question. But you had the courage to speak out.

What about Bush massing 44,000 US troops into Zikistan and Uzbekistan having a launch where they were attacking Uzbekistan on his death two days before? That was in Newsweek. I mean, how obvious does it have to get? So obvious. Here's the deal. There's so many problems in our world.

So much negativity. Don't worry about the darkness. Turn on the light. Darkness automatically goes. Ramp up the light of unity within. Help do that for yourself. So should the bombers have turned on the light? It was peace treaty.

I feel like they were even more creative, though. Oh, dude, like on one of the... Or if it was an inside job, it takes a lot of creativity. I bet those guys were meditating. One of the selling points on Transcendental Meditation's website in terms of their outreach into foreign other countries and institutions and stuff like that is a dramatically decreased incidence of terrorism

on people who meditate. Sure, of course. That is even part of the selling point. I don't know. It's hard to tell. So on their website, it's like, hey, if you're thinking about becoming a terrorist, and I'm talking to you, Isis,

maybe try Transcendental Meditation. It's hard to give you a mantra, and that mantra will be not going to blow anything up. It's not going to blow anything up. With the studies about Transcendental Meditation, it's really difficult to tell how much of it should be trusted. And quite frankly, I don't have the kind of time to go pour over all the details of it for this one episode.

Right, you're too busy researching 9-11. Exactly. Come on now. Because a lot of the research has been done by proponents of Transcendental Meditation. And so it looks like their methodology is good, but it's really tough to say. They may have a dog in the fight, so to speak.

Right. I mean, like statistical studies generally are not accepted unless done through independent organizations. I would prefer some peer review. Some of these might be. I don't know. I don't know enough to say. And so I'm going to punt on the studies

about Transcendental Meditation. But if it is just claims that are being made about relaxation, increased happiness, you can get that with all sorts of meditation. Right. Anyway, it's tough to take the practice and the organization and deal with them separately. Because I think the practice does have benefits,

but the organization is a manipulative, squirrely cult. It's a religion. No, it's a cult. Eh, all religions are cults. That's fair enough. And then we're really doing something. Well, it does start at home. Something that brings that light of unity.

All diversity is appreciated in the light of unity. It will be so beautiful, so easy. Remember, that's where all the power is that created the universe. That doesn't make any sense. And runs it, maintains it without a problem. Well, I agree with you that charity starts at home. We have to start changing ourselves one person at a time.

You nailed it. I guess that's what the new book, The Big Fish, covers. Exactly right, Alex. And you're going to be in a book shining tonight at, I guess, the Galleria area up in North Austin at Barnes and Nobles. Just an amazing interview, and I appreciate your courage. I thought it was a speaking at first.

What did you think about Charlie Sheen and others speaking up on 9-11? You know, if people have questions, they have the right in this country by Golly to raise the questions. Absolutely. So you support them raising questions? Sad.

What? Yeah. Yes, sir. You know, I support and livening unity. Bring out the full potential of the human being by doing that. Everyone has that ability. And let's start working on real peace,

dynamic peace for the world. Yes, sir. All these other problems, you know, mostly ridiculous absurdities will vanish. So there's symptoms of the disease. Thank you, David. I'm an alcoholic. Yes, thank you.

God bless. So, you know, again, you have a parting shot with him trying one more time. Charlie Sheen talked about it. Hey, come on. Come on. That's cool. So you have like this is a classic Alex Jones interview

with someone he admires their work. Yeah. And that like he can't be a dick to them. Starfuckers. But he has a goal. The other person has a goal. And it's a terrible interview. It's not even a conversation.

They're just talking at each other. Of course. And David Lynch is at least trying to engage with the things Alex says and weave them into what he wants to talk about. Whereas Alex just keeps asking non sequiturs. Now, I think it's disgraceful that Alex Jones, even if, like, if I put myself in the head

of someone who believes in Alex Jones' world, I think it's disgraceful that he had David Lynch on. Because David Lynch is a big, big part of the transcendental meditation movement. Right. Now, who is Alex Jones' big enemy? The globalists, liberals. Well, what are the globalists working towards?

Boy, you know, at this point, I really don't know. Like everything bad? Well, what's his big fear? Mind control. World government. Oh, transcendental meditation is about world government? In 1976, the followers of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi started the world government of the Age of Enlightenment

to spread the teachings of transcendental meditation globally. Well, there you go. In 2001, they established the global country of world peace. Quote. It's not a good name for a country. Quote. The global country of world peace

was founded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi as a consortium of educational organizations in more than 100 countries, working to create a new era of peace, progress, and prosperity in our world family. The global country of world peace is a, quote, nation without borders, promoting unity consciousness

and the reduction of narrow nationalism that divides humanity from humanity. It's time for peace-loving people everywhere. It's a home for peace-loving people everywhere. Sounds like an attack on sovereignty, Dan. Alex Jones also has some ideas about, you know, believing in deflating the currency and what have you. The global country for world peace

has their own currency called the ROM. Really? Which is one ROM is equivalent to $10. Who prints it? Who backs it? Where can you use it? I don't know. This is why we should never have left the gold standard, Dan.

So the ROM was just Bitcoin before Bitcoin. For a long time, these, the global country of world peace folks, which is a organization within the transcendental movement. Yogi's without borders, I believe. Yeah, inspired. Medicine, sand, friends, yeah. Part of the larger organization

that all sprung forth out of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. For a long time, they've been trying to start their own country. Where? From a 2001 article in The Independent, quote, Disciples of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Beatles giggling guru, who highlighted transcendental meditation in the 1960s,

want to found a sovereign nation in South America. They've offered the government of Suriname $1.3 billion over three years to least 3,500 acres for a rural utopia, 20 miles northeast of the capital, Paramaribo. The proposed quote, quote, global country of world peace would mint its own currency, maintain a central bank,

and have its own legal jurisdiction. They have enough money to spend $1.5 billion over three years? They have a lot of money. That's a lot of money. Think about all the fucking celebrities that are big proponents of them. Yeah, but that's a lot of money.

If you look at the list of the celebrities who are a part of the organization, it is so many more than Scientology. Like, and people just don't talk about it because it's not as scary, and they don't have all that gay blackmail. Right. You don't have, and you don't have like Tom Cruise,

John Travolta are massive stars. Right. Now, like Jim Carrey is a big star, but he's probably one of the most famous vocal proponents of TM, but he's not nearly on the level of Tom Cruise. And so that kind of helps Scientology. They got a bigger gap.

Yeah. But so they've been trying to start their own country. How's it been going? So they tried that in Suriname. They also tried to start a country in Costa Rica, and I quote. Can you just, like, wait, wait. You can't lease, you can't lease land

and then say you're your own country, right? I don't know. No, why not? That's a good point. I've never tried it. In mid-June of this year, this is from 2002, some Costa Ricans were contacted by delegates of the religious organization Global Country of World Peace.

From then on, the indigenous sector of the Central American country was immersed in confrontations that even on almost reached communal divisions and physical fights. It happened that the global country is an organization born in India, but with legalization. We know they don't believe in 9-11 now.

Supposedly, its main objective is to reach a single-world country without borders with a single currency, a single thought, and a single ruler, King Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. That is not a thing I want. No. No. The sect even-

We were doing great. I was like, Global Country of World Peace, you guys have a good old time. I don't like having a king. The sect even came to Costa Rica to appoint a king, to administer the- You can't just appoint a king. In the region of Costa Rica,

on the margin and ignoring the Costa Rican state, it imposed for the zone the currency, ROM, equivalent to them, equivalent, according to them, to $10 on the unit. The indigenous leader- Don't think that's how currency works. The indigenous leader, Lissandra Mendes, under the charge of King of Rica Shanti Rastra,

as in Costa Rica he was baptized, received from the central bank of Netherlands the sum of $4 million, so that he begins to administer this new state. Or eight ROM. Name his ministers and receive a salary of $1,000 per month. This situation, I think there's some translation issues here,

because it says the situation filled the patients, imagine that means tried the patients or whatever, exhausted the patients of the other indigenous peoples in the area and their organizations, since it was a disrespect for indigenous ancestral customs and an ignorance of the country's reality. The communities almost confronted each other, some in favor and others against the sect.

The cause was knowing that the global country was trying to acquire 7,000 hectares to plant organic bananas to be sold in the United States, in addition to 7,000 hectares to establish the capital of the global country. All this in indigenous territory. Finally, They've learned something from the white man.

From colonialism. Yeah. Great. Thanks guys, you took the right thing from us. Finally, the Costa Rican president invited the members of the sect to leave the country in the shortest time possible, safeguarding the unity and integrity of the country. Hey guys, you can't have your own country go away.

So let's just look at these little things that I've brought up here at the end of this episode. This global country for world peace, which is a part of the transcendental organization. Was going great. I was fine with it till they had a king out of that crazy guy. Again, you know what? I want to say that there's a possibility

that there's something lost in translation there too. Like the single ruler being King Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. No, that sounds pretty translated correctly. It's possible, but it might also be a thing where like the single thought ruler or ideological ruler. President for life. Which isn't good, but it might not. Ayatollah.

Right. Yeah. I think he was also dead by 2002. But be that as it may, like what you have here is a rank history here in Costa Rica and in Suriname of them trying to buy land to impugn the territorial sovereignty of these countries.

Feel like you can't do that. But it also, I don't care if you can or not, it seems like a motivation Alex Jones would be super against. Right. Then you have their larger goal, which clearly this would just be the beginning of, to create a one world government with one world currency. Right.

And there are their stated objectives here being that you want to create a nation without borders and rejecting the narrow nationalism that divides humanity. You have things that are principally against what Alex Jones stands for. When you talk about- Yeah, but Lynch made dune, man.

You got to listen to him. When you talk about the globalists that Alex Jones throws darts at all the fucking time, as we discussed in the end game coverage, like you look at Haas, the leader of the Council on Foreign Relations, in his essay that he wrote about globalization and sovereignty, he discusses the need to retain sovereignty,

but to have the definition be adjusted to reflect the fact that we live in a global world. Right. Things that happen in other countries affect what happens to you in your sovereign country, and non-national organizations are affecting everybody. Yeah, currently we have economies without borders. There is nothing in the stuff that I've read

from Alex Jones's boogeyman globalists, where they're actually saying we want a one-world government. They do. They do. Yeah, but come on, they made Mulholland Drive. He didn't seem to like that one. It's a great film, though. He didn't like that one.

All right. So anyway, Alex- They made a racer head. Alex, you're so blinded by your star fuckery that you accidentally had somebody on your show who's promoting ideals of an organization that actually wants a one-world government. Congratulations, you dumb fuck.

God damn it. He never fails to surprise me. He's dumb. He's so dumb. Anyway, go suck it, Alex. Yeah. Oh, God, what an idiot. Anyway, if you want more of the show,

you can go to knowledgefight.com. What a fucking moron. Oh, God, we've got- We've still got the Easter sale going on. We do. We're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. Indeed. You can find us on Facebook.

You can do that. Also, the new group. New group. You've forgotten the name. Check us out. Which I have. Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. I got a show.

I'm doing a show at the Improv in Schomburg next Sunday, March 4th. You can come out and see that. Improv, Schomburg, March 4th. If you are- Tickets still available. Sonya, flights are cheap right now. You can get on out, stay in Schomburg.

It's a beautiful, boring suburb. I'd like to say, I am thrilled by a lot of these international- Sonya, we've been aware of for a while. Right. We've interacted. You probably haven't, but I've interacted with her online. I'm thrilled by a lot of these new internationalists coming out of the woodwork.

Like I've received some messages from people in London, other parts of England, Finland, just in the last week. It's crazy. Denmark, it's nuts. There's- I don't know what the fuck- I don't know how they're finding this, but it's awesome. I'm happy they are.

It's awesome to interact with these folks. I hope eventually we have enough policy wonks to take over Finland. Oh, or that. And start our own knowledge fight country. With our currency. With our currency. No, it'd be the ROM 2.0.

Oh, also, to everybody out there who's emailed me about the Avengers Initiative, I appreciate that I have not been able to get back to you because of the end game stuff. I sort of put responding to emails on hold, but I will be getting back to you and I appreciate your posting stuff about us. And then that long soundbite is coming.

You get your own private soundbite? No, I'm going to play it on the show. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's not private. All right. It'll just- And also, if you did email me- I was going to go with the-

If you did email me about that stuff, please email me again with who you want to be from the Avengers. At this point, Rocket Raccoon is taken. Rocket Raccoon's taken. That's it. All right. Everyone else is still- Are we talking about all the Avengers?

Yeah, the West Coast Avengers are- All the Marvel characters in the eventual double team-up. Yeah, everybody who's in any iteration of the Avengers. This is stupid. I want to be in Star Wars, but whatever. You don't get to be involved. No. Anyway, guys, thank you all so much for listening.

Yeah. Who do you got? I would like to say Mahirishi Mahesh Yogi. Yeah, I'm on board with that. Kind of an asshole. Go fuck yourself, Mahirishi Mahesh Yogi. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Oh, man, and you can-