Knowledge Fight - #132: Minisode

Episode Date: March 1, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan have a little episode for you where they discuss Alex Jones' interview with Jalen Martin, a student from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Alex's actions in the aftermath of this tragedy, as well as after pretty much every tragedy, are pretty formulaic and uninteresting, but this interview manages somehow to transcend in the arena of distastefulness.

Hey everybody, welcome back to knowledge fight. I am Dan the second voice who will hear shortly is my co-host and dear friend Jordan This is a podcast where he and I like to sit down drink some novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones I am coming in with a little introduction for a little Minnesota today What we've got for you as an excerpt of the episode that we did on Monday night The issue that with the rest of the episode or decided to sort of chop off a bunch of it because We tried to cover a little bit of Alex Jones's rhetoric visa V the park land shooting and what it turned into was kind of a repetitive Thing I didn't I didn't feel like at the end of the day when I looked back at it that it added much to the conversation The larger conversation in the world

And I felt like we were just retreading old territory that we've gone over over and over and over again about how Alex Jones acts in These crises and tragedy situations and and beyond that too. We talked a little bit about the situation with YouTube and their quote-unquote strikes that they're Applying to Alex's YouTube channel and already I mean we recorded it on Monday and now here on Wednesday It's already that conversation has already evolved to the point where I think we have a different point that we'd like to make Which hopefully we'll talk about for on our next episode, but From all of that there was a piece of what we covered that I think is very important

And I think it is relevant in relation to the parkland shooting Suffice it to say Alex Jones is acting way out of line and He's pretending that he's the victim which is kind of you know, it's very standard for him He's throwing around rhetoric about how this is the globalists main attack Which is something he says every time he feels a little bit cornered and sales have dipped a little bit I think that's kind of or he fears that sales will dip So that that's sort of a lot of the stuff that we covered at the beginning of the episode, but then We talked about a very bizarre

Incident that happened the day after the shooting at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High school and that was that Alex Jones had one of the students a gentleman by the name of Jalen Martin on the show and I think that that is something that is worth looking at and So that will be what we cover today. I hope you all enjoy and have a good one We'll be back with another episode pretty soon and boy. Howdy there's a whole lot to go over Alex Jones's world is falling apart right in front of his eyes and It'll be tough to sift through all of it to try and synthesize an episode But I will do my best for now enjoy and we'll see you soon

Andy and chance us. You're on the earth. Thanks for holding So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. So in that last clip Hmm We heard that Alex Jones referenced that There was a kid from the school on his show. Yeah And he had a gentleman by the name of Jalen Martin on his show The internet has gone up in a flutter of people saying that the government needs to protect him because he's gonna get killed For the things that he has said

and then another side of the internet has gone on the attack saying that he's not real or he wasn't a high school student and wasn't at the school and I think all of them are pretty crazy. I was able to find like one guy who was making the argument that he's not a high schooler Posted a link to this website called Satch point or something like that CECC point And it's like a conservative News blog of some sort at this point news should never be anywhere near the word conservative conservative opinion Yeah, of some sort and so he was a writer or is a writer perhaps even

And they're like this is proof that he wasn't a high schooler, but if you read his bio it clearly Indicates that he's still in school and plans to go to college this fall But interestingly his name is taken off the writers page on The the website so I used the way back machine because I wanted to see like if this was some nonsense and it was just some internet Garbage, yeah, but I pulled up from August 23rd 2017 the same page but with less articles because they hadn't been written at the time and has the same bio and You know the only thing that I want to take away from it is

Jalen has been expanding his knowledge of the political world for nearly three years specifically since June 16th 2015 That's the day that Trump announced his candidacy So his his libertarian and conservative views that were culminated From studying the history of Ron Paul Barry Goldwater, etc. And that's not wrong It's not wrong to have conservative views or anything like that. It doesn't paint him as some sort of a monster But it should indicate that I mean he's already an info wars guy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying at at least He's Nazi adjacent Well, he's a he's a he's a Trump supporter who writes for a and I looked at the articles that they post on that site

And they're all info wars narratives. Yeah, and so it's I You know, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? That's how I feel about it. It's like Because he he has as much License to speak about his experience as literally anybody else in the world Of course He has is he has every right to do that wherever he wants to and I feel as bad for him

As I do for the other students who are being assaulted and attacked online by the people saying he's not a high schooler Because from everything that's available everything I can see he is he was a student at the school And that is the same crisis actor attack coming from the other side And it makes me really sad it make it bums me out Now there's a further problem. Oh No, when you when you have that long pause that means it's a big problem It's a pretty big problem and I'm not gonna be stoked about it. Am I it's a pretty big problem But let's just jump into the interview and I'll get to the problem as it comes up

Okay, the first problem is that Alex Jones repeatedly says the name of the school wrong Which is I mean if you're gonna misspeak once fine, but if you're gonna consistently call it majority stoneman That means that you don't know you don't have a grasp on the issues So if you're consistently saying the name of the school wrong, I'm not gonna take your in-depth information with as much You know credibility, right? I'm gonna say you might have not done the research You don't know the name of the goddamn school anyway and Jalen Martin a Senior at majority stoneman Douglas high school again just about 40 minutes north of

Miami is joining us But the context here is the background KH oh you Matt muzel was in Florida covering the big baseball tryouts He's the top sports reporter on KH oh you very respected channel top channel in Houston. I hope they talk about the ball tryouts We're now getting reports that other have you heard where we were shootings on both ends of the building going on now Just like Vegas it turned out The top acoustics experts listen to the audio and there were multiple shooters and now they are looking at And they admit there's been some type of cover-up and there was this big Saudi Arabian military conference happen that weekend

Patek was a gun runner and he has gone. We broke all that the day after so what he's done already is said the Jalen Martin is our guest acting like he's gonna go to him Yeah, and before he does he sets up the what he wants to do and that is he brings up this other Narrative of a mass shooting that he's already established as a fake False flag yep, but he has no evidence of that He's established that and so he brings that subtly into the conversation while also saying This what you got distracted by the baseball aspect of it Yes, but this Houston reporter who is there who talked to that girl

Yeah, who we've already referenced who said that she ran into the shooter right on the way out So he's already contextualized where he wants this to go and this is a subtle memory trick This is the thing that you can do to try and get people to remember things differently You can it's like what investigators do or in an ethical yeah in their question It's how you it's how you frame it like if you did this in court you would be there would be roundly You might have to go to the bench. Yeah Just like we're covering all this the day after oh Yeah, I'm just at the table there that we don't just go into things and say

Yes, you do just for fun. Yes, you do one day One day we'll do the Boston bombing episodes and you know like minutes after rush on air. Yeah, this is fake. Oh, man Oh, it's fake Sometimes stuff is exactly like they say and we are saying real people were shot The minute might not be will of course say that I say no one shot That's a hoax they always put out because they're fake news. They're also saying Trump blame the victims There's no such tweets. No such statements CNN MSNBC. They're all lying So in this rambling introduction to his guest he has wait that the kid is actually gonna come on. Yeah. Oh shit

Yeah, I did not I did not expect that. Yeah, it's weird So he is Alex in introducing his guest He has laid out the stuff we've already talked about and then been like CNN is going to lie about us We are victims. We were we're maligned by everybody and so is Trump It is too first of all too long too long of an introduction Yeah So joining us no disagreement this segment the next is Jalen Martin. We appreciate his courage Reaching out to us as a listener and getting us a student ID and all his info and so here he joins a senior at the high school

First I want to give him my condolences for any friends. He may have lost or what happened So fucking fake bullshit. Fuck you and longer if you need it to talk about what happened Fuck it the empathy for real. Yeah, the empathy. Oh my condolences to you now Now is a great time when you fuck it. That's unreal the God damn it. I can't stuff. I cannot hear that stuff. It's really fucking bad. It's tough Open your view of the secret service the SWAT drill What faculty told you did you know or ever talk to Nicholas Cruz the reported lone gunman? Aka Tim McVeigh aka Lee Harvey Oswald. I mean did you talk? Did you know this fellow? Thank you for joining us Jalen?

Yes, Alex So I'd like to start off with saying I don't know Nick. Okay, and Jalen Martin. Oh shit So we have at the beginning of that clip. He says to set up to set up the interview a k a Well, no to set up the interview at the beginning He's referencing this video of a girl saying that she heard shots When she was in the presence of the shooter, right? And then he rambles through all this other bullshit about how info wars is lied about all the time and Las Vegas was a false flag and we know all this information about it that I got from my internet message board

but I pretend I have FBI level sources and then To give it one further punch he insinuates that Lee Harvey Oswald and Timothy McVeigh are fake lone wolves who Nicholas Cruz is exactly like Yeah, so he's already implanted very deeply the suggestion that what I want out of you is I want you Who is a student there to be my prop? I need someone from the inside who I can throw around with as much credibility as CNN is doing with these kids Of course, I need my version of that

So what I need from you is I need you to validate that there were multiple shooters and Alex I Mean You know in our episode about David Lynch that we put out on Monday that episode Alex kept badgering him because he wanted to talk about 9-11, right? He does the same thing to this kid about wanting him to say that there were multiple shooters and I think it's a little bit different Saying that to a grown man who directed yeah, Mulholland Drive

It's very different. I think it's a little bit different. It's very different This is some making a murderer type shit right here. It's it's really like I told you at the top of the episode It's incredibly disgraceful and you have no idea how disgraceful it gets Yeah, but before we get to that if I went if I had an interview with Alex, I would want a lawyer present Just to give me counsel on whether or not to answer. I would want a lawyer who screams a Screamy lawyer Dan and are you in luck? You got to pass the bar. I have not done that yet But so I'm assuming it's pretty easy in Illinois. There's one clip here of Jalen talking about his experience and I'm going to play it because I think

You know it bears hearing And also I think that Alex is probably going to use it poorly And I think that there's a benign explanation for what he brings up Fast forward again to later in the day. We hear the fire alarm Everyone was confused because we already had a fire drill today Why was the fire alarm going off again? That's what everyone was like wondering So we all just went outside. We stood there for like one minute within one minute. They're like four police cars there My teacher was standing there because he didn't know what was happening. No one did he thought it was a fire drill

And then eventually he was like, okay, let's go because everyone was shifting fast And I mean there's like 3,000 kids there everyone was shifting away from the school So within like the next three minutes there had to have been like at least 50 cars there I kept telling people around me. Okay, this is not anything serious until I see a helicopter and within like a few more minutes, I ended up seeing a helicopter, but I Got reports from people around me. They were telling me. Oh, this is a code black, which means bomb That was the new thing that we learned And then people were like, no, it's code red. It's code red, which means active shooter

So my friend took my phone from me And he used it to call his mom because he didn't have his phone He both fire drill. He was just gonna leave it in the classroom So he tried to call his mom and mom answered and he was like mom There's an active shooter here. There's an active shooter a teacher came up out of nowhere and said don't tell her that be quiet Don't tell anybody and he was like shut up and the teacher walked up Snatch the phone away from it and it looked like he was gonna break my phone I was like, no, that's my phone like don't give it back. Don't tell anyone. So that

That experience I believe is probably accurate or real at least and I don't think the teacher came out of nowhere I think you probably just didn't notice him But then the other the piece of it is like, yeah, you probably don't want people spreading erroneous information that hasn't been confirmed or causing a panic that sort of thing the idea that a teacher would be like Don't don't say don't spread that we don't know what the situation is that seems like The behavior of someone who's probably pretty stressed out doesn't know what's going on and is responsible for a large mass of kids Yeah, like I don't think that to me doesn't sound like some sort of cover-up and I don't think my first thought is Okay, now you have three thousand kids calling their parents right and you have three thousand cars on their way

Yeah, and there's an active shooter. Yeah, you end up with like a real real bottleneck problem Yeah, the and I don't know exactly like it wasn't wasn't like like an hour and a half later or whatever that they caught him like they didn't even have You know, you didn't have a perimeter there. There's all sorts of concerns that are legitimate in this case So I think that you know What are you gonna do again? What are you gonna do? I think that that experience is probably sincere and real But I also think that the way Alex heard it is probably this teacher is trying to enforce a cover-up of something

so also he Jalen goes on to say that the Secret Service had a Drill at the school a month prior and that just doesn't make sense Even if you're a conspiracy theorist because the Secret Service is why would the Secret Service be the Secret Service is engaged in Protecting people like the president and other dignitaries or going after Treasury fraud exactly It's not it's not like a shoot-em-up kind of organization. It's not like you would want the ATS Elliott Ness walking in there going like I'm gonna just all those problems You want the ATF or the DEA or something like that? You want some other combination of letters not the Secret Service?

It has nothing to do with this sort of thing So the idea that he's coming on and saying that the Secret Service had a drill there a month prior Leads me to believe that he got some faulty information about who was doing a drill, right? I would believe if it was the sheriff's department. I would believe it if it was SWAT team even or something like that with the terrible world we live in now But the Secret Service aspect of this is horse shit. I just heard him say They taught us codes. Yeah. Yeah, they taught us codes. No black. That's a bomb I remember that I mean I even experienced a little bit of that in school or even in like workplaces

You know the the shelter-in-place kind of drills when I worked at Groupon We had to go hide in a fucking office a couple times as drills for like shooter exercises Because they were concerned that someone might be able to come in and shoot up the office. They should treat their workers better Yeah, I mean that thought crossed my mind That thought crossed my mind while I was sitting in the unprotected office Yeah, it's like oh, I hope oh, oh, why would somebody come shoot up the Groupon? Oh So here in this next clip we get Alex doing his first volley and trying to get Jalen to say that there were multiple shooters

And we will see how it goes But Jalen Martin laying on us recapping what you said you talked to friends that said they thought there were multiple shooters The Secret Service had a drill there Just other points. I was asking you. What are your friends? What are the people you're talking to because schools out today? I was repeating what you told me during the break. They and you said he's very easily led Kind of almost like autistic Like that you give him do anything you wanted. That's why nobody was his friend Was because he obviously had some serious saddening mental issues. This guy sounds like the perfect

Cut out like sir hand sir hand and people know about what happened with the RFK That was totally the local corners said that he was shot from behind not from in front sir And sir hands arm was wedged on the table in the in the kitchen Robert F. Kennedy when he was in that's a little bit background. This is really getting bad folks This this looks just like Vegas So just recapping everything and the points you haven't made here Jalen because this is and we've got new video on top The other videos we're gonna play as well points. You have more eyewitnesses Please you're saying you talk to witnesses this have the same thing. Please elaborate

Yeah, I talked to a guy who had a class with him and he said he was just really weird He did everything that people told him to do it was like he just wanted friends, but it was more like a like there was obviously mental issues with this guy and It was like when he told me that I kind of like thought to myself. Okay, this is that Makes sense in a way, you know And it's like When people are compliant like that To that degree that he specified

There's so many things that they could do just from someone telling them to do it So he doesn't he doesn't say he doesn't confirm the multiple shooters what he says this guy was Influencible right and so that supports maybe a needy kid. Yeah at the Like the best Alex can do with that is that supports that it's somebody controlling him as opposed to well what he said there at the end was a Purely speculative right, but to see like yes someone might be able to tell him to do a thing Yeah, exactly this is not good like evidence of anything and you hear him like stammering around and he doesn't have any knowledge of The shooter he's basing this on something he heard from someone else. So this is secondhand information at best

So he Alex has tried to get him to say that there was multiple shooters And so he didn't get what he needed. So he goes back to the well a little bit later And so it could have been him as the shooter. I'm just zeroing in if you've seen the video You're there at the high school Alexa Mednick who says that she knew him and talked to him and there he was as shots are going off and she thinks there were multiple shooters One more little interesting thing about that is He you know, he dropped the gun and blended in with all the crowd If I had walked home, I just went to Starbucks who's right there

And I waited for my mom to pick me up But if I had walked home, I would have been walking beside him because he was caught literally on my street And that's the thing about that is they were pillaging through, you know, the school and I heard I heard that there were those shots after like I heard 30 minutes or so I heard there was such a I don't know if that was a pizza or what That's what I heard and if that is True, then there is no way because he would not I know exactly how long it takes to walk to my house because I've walked This room for two years. You're saying the official story doesn't add up and and over and over and over again

We now know you said you've been a listener a few years. We're talking during the break I mean Vegas now they had met the official stories not true. Hmm. The guy was a gun runner Well, we first got that who is the sources the day all he got on the Middle East I mean, we're not saying we know exactly what happened We're just saying we've been lied to and credible sources are telling us that so in that clip He is again asking him to just say that there were multiple shooters Yeah, he doesn't say that but he goes just far enough that Alex brings him in for a warm verbal hug there at the end with the You know, oh, so that you the other doesn't it doesn't all add up

Well, the official story is is a lie and great just like everything else But he knows that he needs more he needs the he needs the I think there were multiple shooters, right? That's what he needs. He needs in quotes He needs something a little stronger because this isn't gonna play He needs a a real quote as opposed to his endgame quote Well, but he needs a quote that isn't like a conditional statement based on something he heard from somebody else Yeah, this isn't a source This is I heard that there was shooting later and if that's true then of course he couldn't have been yeah

Anybody with a thinking like a functional brain would be able to tell like that's just like if a then be that's it's that's simple so Alex goes back to the well a third time and This is not good and it's gonna really make you mad and also probably make you laugh a little bit at the end But it's this is I do have the capacity to go from one to the other very quickly I mean this my friend this and almost disconcerting ability. This is Alex Jones to a T Badgering a child in order to use them as a prop for their propaganda arguments That are based in reality and then you'll see what happens Jalen in your own words because you got cut off on the last break

You were getting into your friends coming out people that knew him as well But I don't want to put words your mouth repeat what you were trying to finish when you talked about people That you talked to saying multiple shooters as well as we have a lot of witnesses coming forward more video clips coming up In the next segment of you'll ride shotgun with us a few more minutes But just briefly what specifically do your friends and classmates say they thought Okay, so After the school was clear and everyone was you know mostly gone So this is third hand basically one of my friends said they talked to the other girl the girl in that video

Who ran into the shooter in the hallway the girl told my friend who then told me right? And the real thing about that is she was with her Jalen Jalen, I know school's off the day, but I know you're busy You've gotten a windy spot on your walking around outside, so we put you on hold if you do five more minutes I want to come back for to get you in a spot where it's audible and we're gonna come right back to you We appreciate your courage I want to get this clear from having trouble getting the last part your crystal clear more articulate than I am and most of Other crew around here when your phone's clear. It's the phone that is being inarticulate here

So we're gonna try to get to a spot where the wind is not blowing in the receiver I haven't even I'm gonna get to it next hour We're gonna we put this out on the web from the live show We'll put the clips on the front the back of more people coming forward KPRC KH oh you saying oh, yeah multiple shooters You name it. That's all that's all coming up when we come back. I've got a plug though We're not gonna be here the crew keeps pointing that out to me We've got

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Fucking, you know, he realized that he had gotten as much out of it as he's gonna get out of it You know, he got right. He got him to say just enough a friend I almost said a friend told me she talked to her and may have also heard something I was with her at the same time and he may have said that they still heard shots, right? I think I think it's possible. Yeah, there's wind and Alex is like sweet ad break get the fuck out Yeah, that's it You know that is as it's embarrassing. It's a disgusting lack of Optics is what I want to say, but I mean, this is the game. This is what he does

Well, is it I mean has it's the day after this shooting He has a kid from the school on there badgers him to try and confirm the multiple shooter narrative that he wants to push And when he gets close enough, he's like your phone's too windy. I got to do a two-minute ad That's what he does This is nonsense. Yeah, he's an ill you know, he's an illiterate man who also is Backed into a weird pill Multi-level marketing scheme, right? He's desperately afraid He's gonna lose because he got in bed with some fucking people who are committing treason and it'll happen

And it turns out it it everyone gets hurt. That's what ends up happening. That's just the end result That's the cautionary tale we have You know what I have to say to that learn to read. Eh, what you gonna do? I was gonna do I the one thing that I immediately thought about Whenever he did that ad pivot is all that is is a more brazen cable news Mm-hmm. It's so it is it is something that Should be Noted that as disgraceful and embarrassing as that is

How much difference is there between that and CNN running all this live coverage and then we're gonna have to go to break well, and they're selling toothpaste Well, it so it's so how much of a difference really is there? It's different because after that two minutes. He went to commercial. Oh That's what's different. I mean, that's that's a little that's another level of disgrace. Yeah That is a second step up you're right the I don't disagree with you there the agreement that we have Societally gotten into with entertainment is someone's got to fund this

Entertainment that we want to watch and so we put up with these commercials because they pay for the entertainment and the shows that We want to watch in the same way that you know, you got to watch a little ad before YouTube videos sometimes or trailers and commercials at the movies It's just the agreed-upon situation Alex breaks this social contract by doing commercials in the middle of the show and he does it so Brazenly with the like I am going to I'm gonna do something I'm gonna get get some moment of intensity and then I'm gonna fucking throw it to the commercial because I know I've put You in a suggestible state, right? And so that's what he that's what he's doing. I just don't think at the end of the day

I don't think that there's any reason To engage with him about the the stuff that he's doing right now. No, I agree with you I don't I think that this is this is not This is stopped being like Awful and this is now Truly pathetic. It's very sad. It's it's just What are you doing? Yeah, what what like it? What are you doing? There's a there's a piece of it that is like have you no decency like there is a there is a part of it

That's like that but the answer to that is no and of course not never had and and none none of them do anymore. No All right, so that's the episode guys. I hope you all got something from that. Hope we learned a little bit. Hope we saw Very disgraceful ad pivot being kind of the the main end goal for Alex The primary end goal of course getting Jalen to say that there were multiple shooters or that he believed that to be the case and then the actual Goal that that is in service of is getting a nice hot two minute sales pitch in right before going to commercial And you know, this is this is Alex heartless pile of garbage Anyway guys, you can if you want more of our show you can find us at knowledge fight calm You can check us out at knowledge underscore fight on Twitter. We're on Facebook

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