Knowledge Fight - #134: Post-Tribulation Rapture?

Episode Date: March 7, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan about a really good example of how Alex Jones has literally no standards about who he allows on his show as a guest. This is not news, but today's example is the very hateful pastor Steve Anderson, who Alex Jones has on to discuss whether or not the rapture comes before or after the tribulation. As is so often the case, there are far more important issues to discuss.

Andi and Chanzos, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Yeah. Dan, why do people listen to this show? I think it has to do something to do with my matinee idol good looks.

That's true. And the fact that I know a lot about Alex Jones. I don't know anything about Alex Jones. And that combination is delightfully fun for people. Well, we let you buy drinks. I did. And this is the first time I've ever said, man, this water is garbage. Hey, come on.

It's garbage water. Don't say that about my good friends over at Ice Mountain. Garbage water. See, it tastes terrible. I like the Ice Mountain line of sparkling waters because there's a tartness to them. Right. There's no sweetness like a lot of these other fizzy waters. It's just a straight up water.

Right. No, that's the problem. It's not straight up water. It's garbage water. It's European. And that's why I'm against it. And that's why you don't know anything about Alex. I don't know. We missed that one.

Jordan, I've got a really fun show planned out for you here tonight for you and the listeners. Yes. You have not stopped bothering me with it pre-show. Good Lord. Which is defeating the entire purpose of the show for me to know anything about it. But I haven't told you anything. I've just been told that this is crazy. I know. It's been annoying.

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So Jordan, today I wanted to check back in with Alex Jones post marathon. Of course. Because over the weekend, he was lying about YouTube shutting down his channel. I was saying that his account had been frozen and YouTube told him that he was going to be shut down on Sunday. But he kept posting videos which kind of flew in the face of the idea that he was frozen. And then Buzzfeed reached out to YouTube and asked if any of that was true. And they said, you're just making shit up.

And they were like, no, no way. And they explained that that's not even how it works. And so Alex was just lying. And I realized that I realized that the reason why is that because he didn't make enough money at the marathon and he needs to really get people excited and try and get the fear back in them. Right. So I checked in and I looked at the show here on Monday as we're recording on Monday. And Owen Troyer was hosting because Alex Jones had to go talk to a lawyer.

So he is in meetings with lawyers. So I'm like, I can't, there's nothing here. So I went back to Sunday's show. I was like, maybe, maybe Sunday will work. Maybe Sunday will be fun. I want to be in those meetings with his lawyers because they're just going to be like, for real, you did this shit. Yeah.

I don't know how to help you. And Alex just screamed when he's like, it's the chimeras that are keeping me down. And I want to be there. You can be like, like the lawyer's like, I can try something, but you're screwed. And then Alex was like, whiskey. That'll work. Yep. And so I watched Sunday and it was really boring too.

So I was like, God damn, there's nothing we can do. I guess I could go back to one of our donators donated on a time travel episode. Oh, okay. So I was like, I'm going to go back. They had requested their birthday, which was September 1st. And so I went back. Never forget. September 1st, 2012, 13 and 14, I'm sorry, 13, 14 and 15 were all best of shows.

Really? He has a habit of. What is a best of show? Jesus, I got clip, clip packages. He's doing clip shows. Yeah, basically. How can you do a best of on a news show? It's nuts.

So September 1st on the episodes that I had in front of me were all untenable. I was like, I can't, I can't do a fucking clip show. But one of the clip shows included his interview with Russell Brand. And so I'm like, here we go. Now you're going to find out where the fuck that came from. Here we go. Okay. So I listened to the Russell Brand interview and I'm like, we're going to go over Russell

Brand. It's going to be great because he's a dumb ass new age guru or whatever. Right, right, right, right, right. It was just, it was just boring. It was a really, really boring interview. There's some comedy in the fact that like Russell Brand is pushing for revolution. And when asked what his revolution, like the ideal outcome of it, he's like, oh, in egalitarian socialist state.

Alex is having him on. He's like, everyone needs to wake up. That's right. It's just nonsense. There's some comedy to that, but I realized it wasn't fucking worth it. No. So I started looking through. Also, is Russell Brand funny?

I know that his bookie look is a great literature. No, I don't know. All right. I have seen a couple of things from Russell Brand I've enjoyed in the past. I don't think he's great. I don't think he ranks with good stand-ups. But he's not, he's not terrible, I guess. And here's the one thing I do want to say.

For all of like his overly scarfed asshole-ish, like, I think they call it- He's like a puns. Well, I think the British press refers to him often as a champagne socialist, where it's like the people who live in Beverly Hills and are worth $15 million talking about revolution. Right, right, right. And they go to, you know, posh lifestyles and what have you. Yeah, but wasn't he like born?

It wasn't he like raised- Oh, you had a terrible life. Yeah, I was going to say, he was like homeless. Like, what do you, you win, you lose, everybody hates you. That's the thing I want to say is that like for all of that stuff that is valid criticism of him, certainly, that he's very annoying and that shit, he's not somebody, if you look at his actual life and his actual career, he's not somebody who's just been all lip service.

He's really active in like union fundraising and stuff like that. He's active in trying to help people. Through action and stuff like that. You can't take that away from him and I won't. Right. And the fact that he grew up and was a horrible drug addict and then has been trying to lobby people to deal with drug addiction as a disease and trying to take that more seriously.

I think there's a lot to respect there, even if you did. Yeah, I hate those champagne socialists doing all that stuff. Oh man. Even, even. Give me more poor socialists who don't have a voice. That's who I'm interested in. Give me the poor one. That's pure.

Give me the poor ones who can't say anything and no one will listen to them. That's real socialism. Right, right. That's getting the job done. He does a lot to help people and isn't all talk. But he wrote a book called My Bookie Wook. Oh, okay. Well, then now I'm, now I'm off.

Now I'm off again. No. So anyway, that interview was boring. Give all that union money back guys. Yeah. That interview was boring as hell. And then I was like, I got to find another fucking celebrity interview. He's had a bunch.

I got one of these. It's got to be good. So then I listened to his interview with Jonathan Davis from Korn. Yeah. Yeah. All right. One, there's a guy in Korn named Jonathan Davis. That's a lead singer.

He also goes by his DJ name Jay Devil. This didn't come up in the interview. How did that not come up? Seems relevant to Alex. If I, yeah, that's, that's got to be the only thing that comes up. Now I understand that your DJ alias is satanic. Yes, I am the devil. Okay.

Thank you. That's a very quick asked and answered. It was a really boring interview because Jonathan Davis kept saying like, I don't really know much about politics and I don't want to sound stupid, but Obama's trying to be a dictator. All right. All right. All right.

Okay. Okay. And then the rest of it was Alex Jones just kind of sucking his dick because he's a, he's a star fucker. Yeah, he's a star fucker. He loves celebrities so much that in the beginning of the interview, this is the only clip I really regret not cutting was, I've been a long, a long time fan of Korn.

I love Korn. Let's do them all the time. Okay. 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:40,000 So now I imagine Alex just driving around in his Escalade listening to Korn. Right. Right. Absolutely.

Great. Great. Something like got the life. Yeah. Alex was just rolling down the street listening to a bullet with butterfly. No, that was, that was fucking smashing pumpkins. Dude, I got nothing. Alex.

I don't know any Korn references. Alex Loeb's new metal. So I listened to that and I'm like, this is not usable either. That was from 2013, which I would remind everyone is 13 years after Korn had any chart success. So then I was like, ah, what am I going to do? And I was scrolling around. I'm going to save this for another day because this is too weird. And I couldn't unpack it and it was too long.

And I didn't actually listen to the whole thing, but look for this in the future. Back in 2001, Alex Jones had no Chomsky on the show. What? Yeah. All right. Fuck yeah. Yeah. We're going to go over that in the future.

That's going to be a long episode. I had no time to like deal with that appropriately. So I was like, I am like, all right, got to put Chomsky on the back burner. He heard that all the time growing up. Absolutely. Yeah. And so I found something that would work, something fitting. And that is a time that Alex Jones had a preacher on his show named Stephen Anderson.

Are you aware of Stephen Anderson? No. He runs a church that is described as something that makes the Westboro Baptist Church look like Gandhi. That's an intense church then. Yeah. We'll get into some of the specifics about him, but I listened to their entire interview. And man, it's really all about just arguing about pre or post-tribulation rapture. Okay.

All right. All right. I've been wondering when we're going to get into some tribulation rapture stuff. And the specific timeline of it. Right. Pre-tribulation rapture, that's back to Mark Richards. See, no, that's what, no. I was thinking that whenever we had it in our last episode, raptor man call.

And I was like, oh, that's raptor man, of course. Do you think raptor man is actually friends with Mark Richards? No, but man raptor is. Yes, probably. Yeah. So raptor man is a reptoid. I have done this strategically in terms of the clips that I have. We don't have a whole lot from that episode because it's really boring.

But you'll see where we're going. Here is a clip of Alex giving a little bit of an introduction to Steve Anderson and then talking about a book that is a part of his foundational, like the foundation of his philosophies. Okay. I'll explain on the other side of this why Alex is stupid. I want to go back to Pastor who's here in studio with us today. And he's got the new, well, he's part of the new film.

Pastor Anderson, let no man deceive you after the tribulation film. What is your take on this Carol Quigley passage and what the caller was raising? So real quick, the caller before this had brought up Carol Quigley's book tragedy and hope. Yeah. And Alex, he ends up trying to read here in a minute. Oh, no. Which is pretty funny. But on air, on purpose, you can't do that.

It's a disaster. It's going to be, it's going to be very embarrassing. Well, it's all part of the same agenda. You know, in order to totally enslave people, you're going to have to take away their guns. You're going to have to take away their weapons. The Bible clearly says that the Antichrist is going to make war with the saints and overcome them. Well, how's he going to do that?

Obviously, he's going to put us in a society where we have no freedom, where we're completely controlled, completely surveilled. We're not going to have any weapons. We're not going to be able to defend ourselves. And that's why the Bible tells us that Christians are going to be beheaded en masse. Because of the fact that the government's going to have the control to carry out. But a TV preacher told me that Scotty's on the air, tribulation, all that.

It's about, it's about as, that's about as true as Star Trek is true. You know, I mean, the idea of the rapture taking place before the tribulation is about as biblical as, you know, the Starship Enterprise. So you could have come up with a different reference there. In my, in my research for this, you're going to go with Star Trek for both references. Come on, man. In my, in my preparation for this episode, I found a sermon that this guy gave.

And there will be no triple at all. You're really close. Really? It's all about Star Trek? No, it's about Star Wars. All right. Well, then I'm back on board. It was about Star Wars in relation to the Bible.

Okay. And he's like, you know, it's all about, they always, they're always talking about going to the dark side and it's like anger leads to, you know, whatever. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side. Right. Exactly.

And he's like, that's not how it is. No, that was that. Yeah. It's not. No, no, no. That guy Yoda, he doesn't know shit. Right. And then that's about the point where I was like, all right,

I'm going to move on to the next next sermon. Cause it's like, I don't want to spend an hour listening to this guy critically deconstruct the reality of, of Star Wars. Uh, I do. Well, I'll send you the link. I want to know, I want to know how he feels about so many things. Okay. So in the biblical metaphor, did Han shoot first?

That's the first question that I want to know. Yeah. Of course. Right. Absolutely. Now that is just like when King David killed his best friend. Absolutely. With his wife.

Yeah. King David shot first. So here's the next clip where Alex begins to start reading. And he gets into some real stupid shit. You'll see pretty quick. I want to go back to the caller, but if you just joined us, I'm going to read the passage from page 1200 that the caller, uh, was raising. When weapons are of the amateur type of the 1880s, as they were in Greece

in the fifth century BC, they are widely possessed by citizens. Power is similarly dispersed. So dispersed power is everybody. It's missing words. This is like, this is like an elementary school read out loud situations. They want the abolition of civilian ownership of firearms quote, because it threatens the legitimate power monopoly of the state. He's just like, he's just added this.

That's not a real assignment. Yes. Uh, ratified and accepted the full, uh, attempted passage at the full UN assembly. Did he alert us to the fact that it was 2001? I mean, this is their plan. They say, well, because they know people aren't reading what they're saying. And neither are you. So we'll get back to Carol Quigley.

You're saying what she's not writing. He, but we'll get, uh, we'll get back to that in the second. Carol Quigley is a man. Yeah, he's a gentleman. Alex there at the end was saying that the UN, the, uh, 1990 or the, uh, 2001, uh, small arms, uh, a treaty that they made in the UN, uh, was about everybody. It was about shrinking arms.

It was about disarming all the world. I just want to read to you here from, uh, something that was put out by the UN about myths about the UN myth that this conference is being convened to draft a global treaty to ban ownership of firearms facts. The review conference is not about banning small arms or prohibiting people from owning legal weapons. The review conference will not be negotiating any treaty to prohibit citizens of any country from possessing firearms or to interfere with the legal trade in small arms or light weapons.

The United Nations program of action on small arms does not prescribe or suggest any action against the legal trade, manufacture possession or ownership of weapons. Each sovereign state determines its own laws and regulations for the manufacturer's sale in possession of firearms by its citizens. The United Nations has no jurisdiction over such matters. Oh, really? The UN program of action is focused on the illicit trade in small arms weapons. The program was agreed.

There is no illicit trade, Dan. No regulation trade. No regulations. There's no illegal bootlegging of weapons. Nope. That's, that's how it should be. The program was agreed to in 2001 by the 191 member states of the general assembly, including the parliament members of the security council.

They committed to collecting and destroying illegal weapons, adopting and or improving national legislation that would help criminalize the illicit trade in small arms, regulating the activities of brokers, and setting strict important export controls. It's not about saying people can't have guns or trying to outlaw guns in any way. It is just a matter of illegal international gun running. Slippery slope, Dan. First thing you know, you're coming for the illegal weapons,

and then you're coming for the illegal weapons. Obvious. That's not even a slope. That's a plateau. Yeah. Well, they're going to do it. Yeah. They're going to come for the illegal weapons,

and then they're going to take the other illegal weapons. So Alex also, there was reading from Carol Quigley, and he's editorializing like crazy. And I'll give you some context after we get to this next clip where he finishes up reading. He reads like a hunt and peck typist. That's how he, it's scattershot. Yeah. He's missing words all over the place and then parenthetically adding stuff

that just isn't in the text at all. It really makes it sound like Carol Quigley just wrote down like, and then of course we're going to go after everybody and kill them. And then, you know, now that we've taken all their guns, we're going to destabilize everything and kill everybody. None of that is in there. No, it's in there. He read it.

I mean, they're like, we're going to enslave these people. We're going to cut their food off so we can sterilize whoever we want. Once we got them all on welfare, they'll all be social engineered. We can just give them shots to kill their butt. But we want to kill them over a couple of years so they don't know we killed them. That doesn't make sense. But then the Africans don't run at the villages when the UN shows up. Let's continue.

Other reasons for that. And again, let's show people from the actual book. If you guys can document Cam in on here. I want to show people this right here. Right here. When the weapons, thank you. When the weapons are of an amateur type as the 1880s, as they were in Greece in the 5th century BC,

they are widely possessed by citizens power, is similarly dispersed. And no minority can compel the majority to yield to its will. Globalist foreign bankers with such an amateur weapon system, that's what he calls it, in other conditions are not totally unfavorable. See, that's saying, it's a problem for the elite if people are armed. We are likely to find majority rule. This is a big problem.

And a relatively democratic political system. But on the contrary, when a period can be dominated by complex and expensive weapons, that only a few persons can afford to possess robot army's drones, or can learn to use. We have a situation where the minority who control such specialist weapons can dominate the majority who lack them.

And the minority is a eugenicist, Luciferian side of it. You might have to be the only ones with weapons. Just an idea. Is that an appendix right to find out? In such a society sooner or later, an authoritarian political system that reflects the inequity and control of weapons will be established. At the present time, there are systems to be little reason

to doubt that the specialist weapons of the day will continue to dominate the military picture in the foreseeable future. And I'm going to do a whole piece on this. I would love that. He goes on to say how terrible it is that in the United States we have guns. And that's right over here,

because they're not going to be able to have their social engineer system because of the United States and the guns. And England, well, forget that. They got the guns in England. I'm not going to spend all day on that. Pastor Anderson, another comment. Certainly not going to spend all day on that.

So what he's doing. Do you make any sense at all? No. So he's using a little. He just got excited whenever you heard it. Majority rule. So he's using a little passage from page 12,000 or 12,000, 1200 in this Carol Quigley text.

When weapons are of the amateur type of 1880, as they were in Greece in the 5th century BC, they're widely possessed by citizens. Power is similarly dispersed, and no minority can compel the majority to yield to its will. With such an amateur weapon system, we are likely to find majority rule in a relatively democratic political system.

But on the contrary, when a period can be dominated by complex and expensive weapons, that only a few persons can afford to possess or can learn to use, we have a situation where the minority who control such specialist weapons can dominate the majority who lack them. So what this is actually talking about

has nothing to do with taking people's guns or anything like that. Carol Quigley wrote this book in the mid-60s. And it has to do with Cold War status quo systems between the United States and the Soviet Union. Just on the page before this, on page 1199, he says forecasting can be attempted only by extrapolating recent changes into the future.

But this is risky business, since there is never any certainty that present directions will be maintained. And he goes on to really lay out that what he's talking about in terms of this stuff is back in early times, you had really rudimentary weapons. For your tribulation raptor.

Absolutely. You had rudimentary weapons that anybody could use. And in those times, you had armies that were made up of just citizens. And so you would have people who would be driven to war mostly by overarching reasons to go to war, like encroachment from someone's gonna wipe us out. Taking our land, stealing our drugs.

High end. The reasons that, like the wire. High end philosophical reasons to go to war. Like self-sustaining reasons to go to war. Whereas in the future, the weapons are gonna become more complex and more expensive. And that requires professionalization of the army.

And in those cases, what you would see is likely a reduction of all out war. Because in those circumstances, you would have professional armies who aren't going to go to war necessarily for the same reasons that you could when everyone had swords and shit like that. They aren't willing to die for smaller reasons.

Right. Basically. It's your job, but you're not gonna die so. Because Obama said like, well. On page 1201, when the continued professionalization of the armed services caused by an increase in complexity of weapons, we may look forward with some assurances

to less and less demand for total wars using total weapons of mass destruction to achieve unconditional surrender and unlimited goals. So he goes on to talk about the situation between the United States and the Soviet Union and how the idea that we're getting worse and worse nuclear weapons makes everything much scarier,

but also makes the likelihood of any of those things happening less likely. Because they're so scary. And because there are. Okay, so essentially what he is saying is not about intra-citizenry. No. He's talking about international cooperation.

And so when you have minority and majority conversations within that quote that Alex used, he's talking about the world. Exactly. He's not talking about like a government necessarily oppressing its citizens and taking away its guns. Now he's talking about the outsized sway that America and the Soviet Union have in global politics

because of their specialized weapons. You can't, you know, you can't just go to war with America. Right. Because we're going to, we can blow you up. Yeah. That's what he's saying. That's a big part of it.

Gotcha. And it's a text that is, again, we keep coming back to this. It's a text that's descriptive, not prescriptive. He is a historian who's talking about the trends that have existed throughout history in civilizations and talking about what is likely to come from these trends.

Right. Not saying we should do X, Y or Z. Just talking about the potential outcomes that could come from this path, this path, this path. Now I found a quote on page 1208 that I thought was actually very interesting. That's too many pages for Alex to read.

Oh, I can't read that far. Yeah. Quote, there is still another element of this complex picture. This is, this is also related to weapons. The large part of history over thousands of years shows that the reason political units have grown larger in certain periods

has been because of the increased power of the offensive in the dominant weapons systems and the periods in which defensive weapons become dominant have been those in which political units remain small in area or even became smaller. The growing power of castles in the period of about 1100 BC to about AD 900

made political power so decentralized and made power units so small that all power became private power and the state disappeared as a common form of political organization. Thus arose the so-called Dark Ages. So the thing that I'm bringing up here is that Alex would probably really like

the decentralization of power and making power units smaller. He doesn't like the federal government. He likes the state government. Right. So if you really wanted to say that, why don't you fucking tell everyone to get a castle? You know, right.

Well, that's what he has. But you know what I'm saying? Like even in there, he's not, Carol Quigley isn't saying everyone should have fucking castles. No. But he's just saying this is one of the effects that you see if you study history

of offensive versus defensive weapons. Right. So anyway. That's an interesting idea because of course, if you're defensive weapon based, you are going to be much stronger in a smaller, tighter knit. That's the whole point.

If you're circling the wagons, everybody's getting as close as possible so they can protect each other. Yeah. Offensive weapons, everybody spreads out because you want to take as much as you possibly can. There's an expansionist element to your offense.

Yeah, that's really fascinating. It is. I just started. I found a copy of Carol Quigley's Tragedy and Hope. And in our end game coverage, I said, fuck this, I'm not reading it. It's 1,300 pages long. Right.

But I've started reading it. It's actually really fascinating so far. I'm about to, yeah. Then in a certain way, it's even more fascinating that Alex loves guns so much because guns themselves, according to that kind of thought process,

are one of the main reasons that we have a federal government. Yes, 100%. Ironic. Yeah. His stated goals are defeated by the symbol that he has chosen to love so much. Well, and guns are one of the reasons

that expansionism, colonialism, were able to be so successful in the times that they were. Again, specialized military weaponry that can't be shared. At the time, absolutely. Exactly. That's another piece of this,

that everything is so relative to the time that it's written. And this was written, again, in the 60s. So, anyway. Well, yeah, but you saw that the globalists did it, right? Right. Anyway, I will have a lot more

once I finish this book about how stupid Alex is about Carol Quigley and tragedy and hope. But at this point, this quote that he's taking is real stupid. Man, I hope he never gets anywhere

near Barbara Tuckman because he is not going to be able to understand a goddamn word she writes. No. I bet he pretends that he, I understand Joyce. Yeah. See, that's Finnegan's wake.

Yeah, absolutely. I finished Infinite Jest. That's what he says on first dates. Not his best work. I prefer the short stories. I prefer a supposedly fun thing I'll never do again. Nonfiction pieces are his best work.

Absolutely. So, in this next clip, this is the last thing we're going to hear from the episode with Alex and Steve Anderson. But I wanted to play this especially just to illustrate that Alex is agreeing with him

and the two of them are sort of tag teaming this conspiracy talk and they're in agreement. That's important. Pastor Anderson, another comment there and then we'll go back to the caller. Right. You know, it talks about the distribution

of power amongst a lot of people versus being ruled by a small minority. Well, when we look at the Book of Revelation, we see the end of this is that all the power is going to be concentrated in 10 kings or 10 leaders and then all of those who give power under the beast.

Exactly. Then those 10 kings will further give all their power to one man who's called the Antichrist. He has blinked on to the dragon. What's happening right now? All of the power he's going to rule over the entire world.

And he's going to have cures and diseases, live extension. It says his image will be projected into all places. What? Real quick. Using what? He's saying that the Antichrist

is going to have cures for diseases and life extension. In 2016, 2017, he's been screaming about Trump bringing us cures for diseases and life extension. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. It's very weird.

Leave it alone. A hologram TV. It describes that. Exactly. And it's just not to describe a hologram TV. Everyone. And not only is he going to have all the political power,

but he's also going to be worshiped as God. And the Christians are going to declare him to be the second coming of Jesus Christ, the apostate Christians. That's because they believe all this must be the raptures. Yeah. And this is the second coming of Christ.

You guys are kicking out. And the Jews are going to say, this is our Messiah. We've been waiting for it. And then the Islamic people, they will declare him to be the fifth Imam, or whatever. And then the Imam Madi.

And then the Buddhists are going to say, well, this is the new embodiment of the Dalai Lama, or whatever. And so that's why the UN already says, you can have your religion, but it's going to worship this. Exactly. All of the major mainline religions,

including apostate Christianity, are all going to be... Look at how the Pope's been saying, we need a one world religion, and all the same. Exactly. And they're all living it out. And all of these major false religions,

but it's Christianity. Don't they go everywhere? Okay. Now, yes, we are looking for the second coming of Jesus Christ, but we know it comes after the Tribulation. We know that the imposter comes first. So there we go.

This is the conclusion that they've come to. Alex is a pretrib... He hates the pretrib guys, because he thinks it's a cop-out for Christians. Right. They're like, Jesus is going to come. Oh, you guys don't even want to live through the rapture. Right, right.

That sort of thing. It's an... I think it's a function of his weird masculinity. Yeah, of course. I'm thrilled to go through the rapture. Absolutely. Look at how strong I am. I'll be the best at the rapture.

I'll be... I will save all Christians. So I listen to this, and again, it's boring. They just already... Once anybody starts to worship anybody, I'll punch them. So that like two minutes there

is just the flavor of the entire time. Just them nerding out. Yeah. Real hard. As if they were talking about Star Trek. Yeah, basically. 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,240 So what I decided to do instead

of listening to more of that... Dan... was I pulled a bunch of clips from various sermons of Steve Anderson. No! God damn it, Dan! This guy is the worst. This guy sucks.

Wait, we're just doing sermons today? Well... God damn it. Jordan, it's going to make you really mad, but I promise at the end of this, it's going to be really funny. Okay. But what I...

The reason that I'm doing this is... One of the things that is very important to this podcast is illustrating... Evangelizing Christianity. That's... I know it's a stealth thing. I know you guys didn't pick up on that, but secretly Dan is an evangelical Christian.

Nope. He has been trying to get Christian iconography into this iconography. Like my Cthulhu? Yeah, exactly. No, what I want to... What I want to stress is like the caliber of guests Alex has on his show.

Like a lot of times people who come on try and present themselves as like... He's trying to present himself as like a biblical expert or something like that. He's a scholar. Right, right. And here's the first clip. Oh boy.

You know what makes women stupid is college. Because college makes everybody stupid. Because fools say in their heart that there is no God. And it's an atheistic... It's not a school system. It's a fool system that teaches humanism and atheism and agnosticism and godlessness and blasphemy against the Lord Jesus Christ.

Look, the beginning of knowledge is the fear of the Lord. The beginning of knowledge. The beginning of wisdom. The beginning of understanding is the fear of the Lord. And you see so many fools walk out the door of these institutions of so-called higher learning because they're learning from fools and they become a fool themselves.

You know, you talk to some of the smartest people that you know. There are people who know this book really well. Why? Because the Bible says of the word of God, making wise the simple. The Bible makes wise the simple. I've noticed people when they get saved

and start reading the Bible, they get smarter. In all areas. Not even just spiritually. They just get smarter. Because the Bible makes you smart. What is that Dunning Kruger effect? The Bible makes you smart. Is that the one where if you're kind of dumb,

you think you're smart? Well, if you can never know how dumb you are. If you don't know how dumb you are, you're probably pretty dumb. So you never consider that as a possibility. Yeah, exactly. So women get dumb by going to go. That's the trick.

That's how we got them. We're starting off light. Look, it's too easy. It makes too much sense, Dan. That's why your dumb brain can't process it. You've never even read the Bible, I bet, right? I have. Multiple times.

Yeah? Yeah. Well, then how come you're not so wise? What? I mean, there's an interesting conversation to have there. Years of abuse. Yeah, that really did slow me down. That will do that.

That will do that. You know, leading to self-destructive behaviors that kept me from going to a good school. If you want to get smarter, though, you should convert to Christianity. Because he just said it. He's seen so many people get so much smarter. OK.

Well, I could go back in time. You could enroll in a college course, too. That would also work. I could go back in time and not have gone to college. Well, then you wouldn't be so stupid. Right. So here is Steve Anderson talking about something he used to wish for.

You know, and I grew up always feeling like a second-class citizen. Like, man, I wish I were a Jew, seriously. I mean, I seriously thought that when I was a kid. I was like, man, it stinks that I'm a Gentile, because I just, you know, I want to be number one, man. I want to, you know, I want to be his main people. I want to be the special people. I don't want to be just like, you know,

the red-headed stepchild of God's family. And so, man, when I learned this truth, it was exciting. The truth is that his church are the chosen people. Oh, that's crazy. He also has a video that's too long for me to have played on here that is just titled, Why We're Not a Cult? If you got to make that video. That isn't cult.

You got to believe it. I know. Yeah. Wait, wait. So is his church, like, are they past like all the Bible stuff and right into we're the only chosen people and that whole thing? I'm not sure, but I think I know for a fact that he thinks that most of Christianity is apostate Christianity.

Apostate. Apostate Christianity. Yes, yeah, yeah. He's the founder of the nonprofit Faithful Word. What does that call it? Aeropostate. The Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. The church is currently listed as a hate group by the Southern

Poverty Law Center because of Anderson's racial stances, including the belief, radical stances, excuse me. I was going to say. He doesn't really actually have many. Look at how not racist he is. He used to want to be a Jew. Well, outside of the anti-Semitic stuff that is going to come into play. Of course.

From the videos that I watched, and I might have not watched everything, but from the videos that I watched, he doesn't really seem like a racist. 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,960 So I'll give him that credit. Yeah. I'm going to lean towards racist. So he.

What does he look like? Is he big, thin? Yeah, I see a thin dude with good hair. He has fine hair. I don't think it's a super terrible hair. Like dark brown. Got a little bit of a beard to him. Anderson established his church on Christmas of 2005 at his home address.

He established it as a totally independent organization. The church's website states Faithful Baptist, Faithful Word Baptist Church is a totally independent Baptist church. And Pastor Anderson was sent out by a totally independent Baptist church to start it in the old fashioned way by knocking on doors and winning souls to Christ. About a year and a half later, the church was moved to a strip mall that was also used by Anderson's fire alarm installation business. When questioned about the relationship between the for-profit business

and the not-for-profit church in 2009, Anderson responded angrily. Yeah. So good times. All right. Good times on that. I'm going to go on the record as saying, I think I would rather go to church in some dude's home than in the fire. Fire alarm sales shop.

So let's get on to this next clip. I think that would be less disappointing. Hey Jordan, let me ask you a question. Do you like holidays? Apparently I'm going to learn not to. Yep. And now you have all the Judaizers out there. All right, never mind.

We're telling us that Christmas is pagan and how we need to rush Hashanah and Hanukkah and all that kind of stuff, right? Hanukkah's. All that junk. And they want to get us on all this Jewish Hebrew roots thing instead of the Christian holiday celebrating the birth. Hey, I'd rather celebrate the birth of Christ. Than Hanukkah, which is celebrating dedicating a temple that God destroyed.

Like you're celebrating a building that God destroyed. Yay. This is when we got the temple back. Oh, but then later it got wiped out because Jesus said it would. Because we were. Is he killing? He's killing. I mean, Hanukkah doesn't make any sense.

Yeah. What are you talking about? You get Hanukkah doesn't make any sense. To me. That's what he should have said. Yeah, exactly. Because you could make the same. Like his argument that God destroyed the temple and all that could be

flipped back that the miracle of the oil staying for, you know, as long as it did is God's way of saying, you know, be cool. Yeah, exactly. That's another miracle of God. This is so dumb. Yeah. The argument. It's so this like, no, no, no, my stuff, my fantasy is better than your fantasy.

Like, why does he sound to me? My legend is better than your legend. Let's say it that way. He saw way too much Andrew Dice Clay and then he was like, well, I'm bad at stand-up. So I guess I'll become a cult leader. There is a little bit of stand-up to him. I can hear it. We'll hear a little bit later.

I mean, what's what's with these other holidays? Like Rosh Hashanah or whatever that is. Am I right? All right, we'll be right back. That would be a fun show. Seinfeld, but with terrible bigoted preacher. How did he workshop his material? So it's he's up there preaching for a little bit screaming like, what's up with this

fucking dumb ass other holiday? Right. And then the whole episode would be about him getting invited to a neighbor's like, Yom Kapoor celebration and him being like, Yom Kipper, what is Kipper dog food? Hold on one second. Yeah, terrible. So Jordan, they do the opposite episode of Seinfeld though, where they have to masturbate the longest. He's not into that.

Who can go the longest while masturbating? I'll tell you this. Anderson is not into that. Would have never guessed. So you know what else he's not into? Well, you know what it does. It gets rid of your male seat. Well, I'm sure if he was pressed, that would be something he believed.

Or something like it takes away your drive to dominate your wife. And what's the real miracle here, huh? So Jordan, for the first many episodes of this podcast, we drank red wine while drinking that do in the podcast, lost track of words. Drinking while drinking. Steve Anderson has some thoughts about wine. The Bible says the pastor should not be given to wine. The the deacon should not be given to much wine.

Wine in the Bible is fruit juice. Now, often it's alcoholic. And other times it's not alcohol. It just depends on the context. But you know what? As a pastor, I should not be given to either. What? Wait, what?

Fruit juice? Or the non-alcoholic kind. You know why? Because if I'm given to the alcoholic kind, then I'm a drunk. And if I'm given to the non-alcoholic kind, I'm going to get fat. And you know what? All across America, we have fat creatures in the pulpits all across America by the thousands. And it's a look, I'm not down on them.

I don't hate them. I'm not mad at them. Sounds like you do. That's a bad example. Sounds like you do. I'm not mad at them. Listen, I don't drink wine because that'll get you drunk. I don't drink fruit juice because there are just too many antioxidants in there.

I don't know what an antioxidant is, but you can't have that in my body. Now look, preachers can't be fat. That's just true. You know what? You know what? I actually don't think that he's, I mean, it's a terrible argument that doesn't make any sense. But hey, he's not fat. So I mean, good on him.

I don't know. It's tough to avoid gaining weight. So let's just go over shit so far. Yeah. College makes women stupid and everyone else stupid. You just need to read the Bible and it'll make you very, very, very smart. If you read the Bible, you know not to drink fruit juice. Steve used to wish he was Jewish.

Pastor shouldn't be fat and Hanukkah doesn't make sense to him. Yeah. Yeah. Now here's the next clip. As for ye brethren, verse 14 became followers of the churches of God, which in Judea are in Christ Jesus, for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets. Not the next thing to say.

And it persecuted us and they please not God and are contrary to all men. I mean, is he making a point here or what? He's, this is a list. They killed Jesus. They killed their own prophets. They persecuted us. Oh, but they please God, right? Nope.

They don't please God. They please not God. Well, certainly there's, maybe they just don't get along with you. Certainly there's somebody that they get along with. I think no, they're contrary to all men. Nope. Well, certainly they must get along with someone. No, no, no, they're contrary to all men.

Oh boy. Okay. Oh boy. Okay. This is, this is breaking the lid wide open. What do you mean? Maybe God is a Nazi. Interesting.

Did you consider that? Interesting. That explains so much. Well, their version of God is. Well, yeah. Their version of God is deep, deep into Nazi ideology. Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

I don't, I don't, I don't like, I don't like that kind of preaching quite frankly. I don't like his kind of preaching. I realize keeping that clip in might have been a little bit soft in terms of what this guy is capable of. Okay. But I just was like, wait, are you insinuating that Jews can't get along with anybody?

Yeah. And like God hates them. For, for all time. And they killed Christ. Sure. So there you go. We've already got, we already got three. He's going to give us three more things.

No, because we got to move on to something else and move on to something else very important. All right. You're talking about porn earlier, right? No, I was just talking about masturbating. Well. You don't need to, you don't need to use porn. A lot of people do.

Okay. Either way, porn or not, you're, you know, you're struggling with lust, just one of those deadly sins. Right. Like fruit juice. Steve Anderson has the key to getting around this lust demon. Fruit juice? A lot of people have come to me and said, you know,

oh, I'm, you know, I struggle with. First of all, I like the, a lot of people come up to me. That's just so the other day I'm at the grocery store over here and somebody comes up to me. We're back to heck. A lot of people have come to me and said, you know, oh, I'm, you know, I struggle with temptation and struggling with,

you know, the temptation to fornicate or, or temptations with pornography or temptations with lust. And, you know, what do I do? And they have all these solutions, but they don't talk about the biblical solution, which is to get married. That's the biblical solution to the problem. Now a lot of people will attack me for saying that and say,

that's just so wicked and ungodly to say that, you know, that the purpose of getting married is to avoid fornication. But isn't that exactly what the Bible says? That's what it teaches. Okay. This is just realistic. This is just biblical teaching from the Bible. Whether people like it or not, it's God's word. So God demands purity and it's better to marry than to burn.

That's what the Bible says. Okay. That's weird. That's a weird, I mean, that's, that's fairly innocuous for a cult. It's dumb. It's very dumb. And it's, it's making a straw man argument of like people's criticism of him. That's a weird thing for people to criticize. But because I mean, the main thing is marriage does not deal with lost issues.

I mean, people cheat on their spouses all the fucking time. Yeah, but they're married. Right. God's cool with it. All right. See, there you go. So there's all kinds of, you know, there's all kinds of divorces that come from lost on either partner's part.

And then the idea that he's saying that like, oh, people will say I'm wicked for saying this, like, no, people will say you're dumb because it doesn't solve the problem. You're just being an idiot. This one would be so far down on my list of things to talk to him about. I think I'd start with the, are you a Nazi? And then maybe after a week or so, I'd get down to, what's up with the, you don't, are you saying you don't fucking your marriage? Is that what you're saying?

I'm not sure what he's saying, but I just kept that in because I thought it was a real dumb. But in this next clip, we learned pre-show in the musical playlist that we both love Moana, both love some of these great comic cartoon movies that have come out. Good stuff. I haven't seen a number of the ones recently, but this next clip is Steve Anderson giving a review of Coco in his car. Coco is great. Hey everybody, past Steven Anderson here from Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona.

I'm up here in Cayenta, Arizona, doing soul winning on the Navajo Reservation with about 30 people from our church. Well, we went out to lunch at Subway today and the kids meal at Subway was this Disney movie called Coco and you can see that it has a big skull as the logo and it's that kind of telltale artwork of the Mexican holiday Day of the Dead. A point of order. He hasn't seen the movie. What?

All right. Via de los Muertos. And somebody explained to me, yeah, that's what this movie's about. It's some demonic film of some child who's communicating with the dead and just glorifying and promoting this wicked, perverted holiday of Via de los Muertos. And what's interesting is that Brother Bruce Mejia, who's preaching down at Faithful Word Baptist LA on a weekly basis, he actually just made an awesome documentary about this because not about Coco.

I didn't really know much about this holiday, the so-called Day of the Dead. I knew it was kind of like a Mexican Halloween and obviously I could tell that it was ungodly. Sure. But I watched this documentary, I learned a lot more about it and I recommend that you do the same because this is the kind of garbage that they're trying to promote even to children now. It's demonic. Yeah, it's demonic. Yep.

So that's it. That's just to illustrate that he's one of these, he's triggered by everything. You know what? He's one of these guys who's just like, eh, eh, eh. That's such a, like when he said that, I know for him it wasn't that big a deal but thinking about it, that is the heart of just about every conversation that I have with like Christian people, specifically my family is like, I'm not going to engage with that because obviously it's ungodly.

I don't need to learn anything about it. I don't need to meet with it on its own terms. I can see from here as far away as I can be that I don't ever want to, it's ungodly. Well, you know what? You know what? Now if you watch the goddamn film Coco, it's beautiful and it's about the joy of music and about a boy come to terms with who he is and how his family has held him down. I am not trying to say that Coco is in any way related to how I feel about my childhood.

But this sounds demonic. Actually, that's a good point. See, you just actually embodied why they don't engage is because their perception is that if you get too close, you get sucked in. Yeah. And you got sucked in. So you're actually reinforcing their desire to stay far away by being like, it's so great. Right.

But that desire to stay far away is essentially ignorance and cowardice running your life. Absolutely. So 100%. So I'm going to go with, go fuck yourself. Absolutely. So in that, he didn't see the movie, but as you heard, he's got great. He went to Subway. The music is so good.

It's such a great movie. You should see it. He went to Subway. God threshold. His kid got a kid's meal that had the cocoa on it and that triggered him enough to make a fucking video in his car. Did he let his kid have soda? I don't know.

I can't. Because that's how you get fat. I can't say either way on that. Might have been diet coke. That's still how you get fat. But aspartame. The point I'm making here is that at Subway, they have food. Yes, which is ungodly or godly.

Other places, there is no food. Do you think that there's food in hell? Do you think that in hell, they're serving up meal times for breakfast, lunch, and dinner? If a person goes to hell, they'll never eat again. And they'll never take a drink again. And think about how enjoyable it is to eat good food. Yeah. That's biblical.

You got a lot of, so much, so much, so much magic. So much magic in the way these guys think. Right. You go to hell, you never eat again. Never going to eat again. All right. So that means that sort of the metabolic processes have to stop, right? Right.

And I would assume that means my central nervous system stops, too. No, it's magic. How does it torture forever? Okay. So my body just magically creates energy then when I'm down in hell and the internal organs. No. God magically creates it. So God lets the devil run it.

So, okay. So God is allowing the devil to continue my pain sensors and what have you. Right, right. Though there is nothing to power any of it. Right, right. Okay. That makes sense. It's just a bunch of disembodied brains and jars.

Is all that science in the Bible? Oh, yeah. It's in Ezekiel. Do they even mention hell? No. No, there is no hell in the Bible. Oh, man. It just reminds me of how traumatized I was by the song by the news boys, that Christian rock band.

There's a song called They Don't Serve Breakfast in Hell. And when I was at... See, now that would be a pretty badass metal song, though. That's an issue. Maybe if it wasn't a Christian... I can see it. It's about, or it could be a great country song. Like a Waylon Jennings song about a guy who gets his teeth punched out,

eaten breakfast, and then it kills the man later. And he says like, they don't serve breakfast in hell. It's not what the song was like at all. No. But when I was at church camp, they would always play the song blaring over the loudspeakers to wake us up. That is hell. It was, yeah.

That's... Why would you do that? I don't know if anyone out there has actually heard this song, but it is not something you want to wake up to. Jesus. It's terrible. Jesus. Yeah, it's still like...

It still rings through my head. I might know all the words about it. Anyway, look. That's not good. I'm sorry. I'll tell you this about the news boys, right? Yeah. They're a band that, you know, has played a part in my life because of that.

But I don't follow them on Facebook. And I wouldn't like something that they post on Facebook. Your setups for these are getting more and more torturous. Now, look, the subway reference, I was like, okay. And then he, I got it. I got it. You're going a long way for this one. Look, you're taking us on a long jaunt.

All I'm trying to tell you is that Pastor Steve Anderson has some very interesting rules about what he likes on Facebook. You know, and sometimes you can have a great impact when your friend comes to you and lovingly tells you, you're going down a dark path. I'm worried about you. You're going down a dark path. What you're doing is wrong. Here's what the Bible says.

You know, let's get this right. Let's come back to the Lord. You know, that's something that we need to do and not just watch our friends go off the clip. And we're just clicking like on every bastard baby picture. And we're clicking like on all the drunken pictures and alcohol. We're clicking like on the sleazy attire of a harlot. And we're clicking like on everything that's wicked.

You know, I don't ever click like on a picture on Facebook unless the people in that picture are dressed properly. I don't care who they are. I mean, ouch. But look, if somebody's in a short skirt, I'm not clicking like on that picture. No, no. Some guys tagging his pants and showing his underwear.

No like for you. I got to pause there for a second. Because that's I think you're trying to do comedy. That's clearly that. Yeah, yeah. But I don't like. But I think he means it. I clearly means it.

Yeah. He does not understand he is doing comedy. But let's listen to the end of this. Bottle of booze in the picture. I'm not clicking like woman in pants. I'm not even clicking like. You know, I like when people are dressed right. I just love that.

I love that. Woman in pants. I'm not clicking like. He's up there giving a sermon. Like this is in front of his congregation. He sounds like an 85 year old man on a fucking rocking chair stoop in the south in 1974. But he starts with like, you know,

your friends can check you if you're doing something wrong. Yeah. Then he gets into I don't like pictures of bastard babies. If your if your friends are getting away from God, you you take them aside and you say, hey, let's get this right. Let's get you back on track. Now other people go on Facebook.

They're fucking all the time. Got their babies and you click like you sinful pieces of shit. You sit. It's my you might as well have had your own bastard baby. If you click like on that picture and God damn you. If I see you wearing pants ladies and or a short skirt, it's a long dress. Got to be a long dress all the time.

What are we talking like ankle ankle? No. Can it be you? No, it's got to have like a like a what's it called? Trail. Well, it's a tail. I'm not a tail. A train.

A train. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying like where is where is God really fall on the below the knee kind of correct length there? I don't know, man. I don't think he said. I don't think he said you didn't put that. No, I want to say that that's why the sermon on the mount is so

popular because he really got into skirt length. But look, this is all just about subjugation of women. Like that. Oh, of course. That's just all about reinforcing ideas of like women can't make their own choices. Oh, no, the the cult my parents were in was all about that. Yeah.

And in this next clip, he goes a little bit longer. We live in a day where husbands don't want to provide for their wives. A lot of deadbeat husbands out there. They don't want to work hard. They don't want to pay the bills. And sometimes there are even husbands that literally stay home and are jobless and their wife goes out and makes all the money. And that is a back where the situation that needs to be

fixed as soon as possible. If somebody's in that situation, we as men say, oh, you know, you're old fashioned traditional. No, we as men need to fulfill that role of being the provider. And we need to wear the pants in that family. And let me tell you something. The one paying the bills is the one who makes the rules. That's just the way life works in general.

No. And we as men need to be a provider. Our wife should be able to say, my husband is providing and I shall not want. Well, I think I think what's craziest about that is just the idea of like no collaboration. Men need to make all the money because if you make the money, you make the rules. And you don't want your wife making the rules because then you got to follow your wife's rules. Oh, you can't do that as ungodly as a few as opposed to viewing, you know, like a partnership where you guys collaborate on like,

what's the best rules for whatever, you know, how we want to live our lives together. Oh, let's see. I want to do X, Y, or Z pursuit that might take a while. Maybe I want to start a business. Oh, yeah. How much money do you make, asshole? Maybe I want to do a startup. I make the rules.

Maybe I want to, maybe I'm a guy and I want to start up a small business and my wife is a doctor and she makes all the money for a while. While I'm, while she's supporting me as I nurture this small business. Ah, fuck who cares. So are you saying, I mean, I'm just saying this is all stupid. Are you saying that perhaps partnerships could lead to better outcomes for both people? Possibly. As opposed to ratcheting yourself into chains made of the rules that you don't understand.

You shouldn't want, even though you're told that you have to make them. I think it's something along those lines. Okay, gotcha. But you'll notice that all. Also do not come at me with the nerdiest lamest voice telling me about what men, now what men need to do. Right. Men need to be the ruler.

Like you're clearly just overcompensating and you're probably gay. Interesting. You should say that. Cause this next clip is from a Q and A session that Steve Anderson did. Are you gay? Steve? Are you gay? Steve?

That's my question. Hello, this is Pastor Anderson. Hey, Pastor Anderson. This is Mike. I'm from Nevada. I had a question for you. Sure. But yeah, I've been watching a lot of YouTube lately and I saw some of your sermons where

you were saying the gays have a reprobant mind and you actually had to cast one out of your church and I was just wondering, is it possible for somebody that was gay to actually be saved and come to Christ? No, I don't believe so because of the fact that if you look at John chapter 12 where Jesus talks about people whose hearts had been hardened and their eyes had been blinded. In fact, I'll read it for you. It says in verse number 39 of John 12, therefore they could not believe because that as Isaiah said before, he had blinded their eyes and hardened their heart that they should not see

with their eyes nor understand with their heart and be converted and I should heal them. So he talks about people whose eyes are blinded. Their heart is hardened to where they could not believe. And I think that in Romans one, it's pretty clear that the reason why a man would lust after another man, which is pretty hard to explain, you know, when you think about the fact that 90 some people think it's disgusting and revolting, you know, what would get a person to actually desire that gear going on long enough for me to think I got there. God gave them over to vile affections.

God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things, which are not convenient. And he explains in the process how their foolish heart was darkened and how, you know, they are people who don't even want to retain God in their knowledge, the Bible says, and they are haters of God. They're haters of God. Can't have the haters. So a little bit of. So if I understand correctly, John 12, 39, no gaze.

No, I think it's also actually about just like non-believers and stuff like that. I don't really actually think that that was about. Anyway, a little fun fact about about Steve, during his travels, he met his future wife, Susanna, while out evangelizing in the streets of Munich, Bavaria. He converted her to Christianity and they were married shortly afterward. You know what I, you know what I mean? You know what I get? I'm not saying I, you can make all the jokes you want.

I'm not saying he's gay. I'm saying he's a creep. Yeah, he's definitely a creep. I'm, I'm getting, you know, you get the, you've run into these cats before. Oh, so many times. You find, there go. So many of these guys. I get that this vibe of like, yeah, I found this, you know, person in a foreign country

and we barely could speak to each other. And I indoctrinated her to my very bizarre version of Christianity, took her away from her family in, in, uh, in Germany and brought her back state side. And now she's stuck. Yep. And I make all the rules. And because I make all the money with my cult, I make the fucking rules that she doesn't wear pants. Right.

Uh, it's very easy to do that with people that you take from a foreign country. Uh, people, people who you bring over to your life, uh, I just get that vibe from him. Also the, the convenient line on the, on the complaints about gays, very weird. The, there were so much, he did, he did the exact, like that little answer to the question was exactly what I have heard from so many, uh, former Christian now gay people. Yeah. Of like, now it can't be fine for God because some people think it's gross and you're like, wait, why did you say you said some people?

Well, he said, he said 90 something percent of people think it's disgusting. And if you take the homosexual population, who definitely doesn't think it's disgusting, and then you just take the people who are like, yeah, get it. I get it. You could, you could like having sex with someone of your same gender. I don't think that's weird or gross at all. That's not just 10% of the population. Unless you're including all of the world, and there's a lot of like the third world

countries where I'm sure that would bump the average up, uh, but either way, it would never be 90. I think what he just said is he was gay. Uh, that's crazy. Cause, uh, listen to this. No homos will ever be allowed on this church as long as I'm the pastor here. I can't be around them. I can't.

Then you guys don't even know what I do. You don't even know you weren't there. I thought Susanna was a man. You're going to. She's from Germany. That's where they have a hair on their faces. I thought she was a man. He's banging on the fucking pattern like his, uh, his pulpit.

So hard. Yeah. No homos. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. You don't, you don't feel that kind of passion. So little known fact to you, uh, Steve has been kicked out of multiple countries for his homophobic preaching.

All right. Here's why he got kicked out of Canada. Yes. And then finally the official reason that they gave for not letting me in the country is they said that the preaching that I did in Botswana on the radio program where Botswana deported me for what I preached on the radio about the homos, they said, well, then, you know, because they kicked you out, we're not going to let you in because. That's not in an interview.

That's in a sermon. That's in a sermon. That's in a sermon. So, so I got deported from Botswana for telling people that homosexuals should be burnt. And all of a sudden Canada is like, we don't want you here anymore. It's like, why? It's like, why? I'm wearing pants.

That's what a man's supposed to do. Come on. I'm not allowed in four or five countries because I'm such a antagonistic bigot. Yeah, it's amazing. He is, uh, he is crazy. So, um, in this next clip, uh, what we get in is, uh, he, he has some props in one of his sermons. He has a nut and a bolt, uh, and he's going to demonstrate why homosexuality is stupid.

And it's being of nuts. I have a nut here. Okay. And this is a bolt. Okay. So listen, this is what a normal person does. All right. See, I got a bolt right here.

Represent the male. Right. We got the nut right here. Represent the female. All right. This is what normal people do. Okay. This is what now let me show you what insanity says to do.

So he's banging them together, but at the same time, he doesn't realize that bolt could be a butthole. Or the nut or whatever the, the hole could be an asshole or a mouth. Ah, but all he's talking about is ladies on ladies. Oh, maybe he's talking about, uh, his, uh, he doesn't like scissoring. Yeah. Okay. Which is not a thing. So you're, you're fine, man.

I guess, I guess you're doing all right. Also, somehow this is offensive to me as well. Like it doesn't work stupid. See, but, but, but people are crazy. And then there's what they did. They, they say, Oh, Pastor Anderson is crazy. First off, did he screw the, did he like twist the nut into the bolt and like screw it in there? Which is not how it works.

He does not know how sex works. He may not. Um, so I, I mean, that's just, that's just good, good fun. Cause he's making that stupid argument. That's such a dumb argument. And just the fact that there's people who go to this church, and they're sitting there in the sermon, watching the pastor go banging a nut and a bolt together. Uh, man, I can't imagine sitting there and being like, this guy gets it.

This is after, after, after he's like, I've been kicked out of Botswana. This is one of the few times that I'd be like, Oh, I want to go to this church. I think I want to go, I want to sit there and I want to see how long I can take it. Laughing hilarious. I think this next rant might change your mind. No kids do not have the guts to stand up to reprobates. I'll stand up to them. Unlike most preachers that are a spiritual babe in Christ.

So they get bullied and picked on by the facts. You know what? They don't bully me. Take me on. Huh? Bunch of filthy sodomites and queers. I'm the one who has the guts to preach against them. Yeah.

And these are so alone need to man up and stand up and say, come on. What are you going to do about it, you big bully? And the reprobates are always bullies, aren't they? They marched down the street. They shout their voice so loud. They're such a small minority, but they're always a minority and they're always a bully. And they always want to cram it down everybody's throat. Well, they're not cramming it down my throat.

Phrasing. You know what? I'm glad. You know, I didn't like going to seventh grade at that messed up school, but in some ways I'm glad I did because it made me so mad that I'm still mad. And I still hate their guts. I still hate these reprobates. I still hate these sodomites.

I still hate these haters of God, then these vile perverts of the flesh. And I'll stand up to them. And I stood up to them, then I'm going to stand up to them now. And we need some preachers that will stand up and say, no. No. There's a baby crying. You're not going to back us down. You're not going to tell us that we're not like Jesus and that we're not.

You don't even know Jesus. We know Jesus. We're going to tell you what Jesus is like. So that seventh grade line. Is he talking about general bullies or did he get sexually assaulted? Did he get molested? I feel like he probably got molested. I think that's one of the possibilities.

And if so, I feel very bad for him. But at the same time, the damage that he's doing now is not appropriate. The other possibility is that he had gay feelings in seventh grade or something like that. Or maybe just some and it was beaten out of it. Maybe like he was not beaten out of obviously, obviously his gay feelings were not beaten out of him. It was like he was picked on for being an effeminate homosexual. There's a lot of possibilities.

It's very difficult without all the context to know. But whatever it is, is something incredibly emotionally charged and a trauma that he's very specifically saying happened in seventh grade that has led him to hate gay people with a violent passion. And that he should go to therapy. This is not the way to work those feelings out. That is not good. People don't stand up to him.

But I will. I'll stand up and I'll say put your big cock in my mouth. Just do it. Just do it. You bully. Just put it right in there. They won't. They try to cram it down everyone's throat.

Cram it down everybody's throat. Yeah. I mean the realities of like if he is talking about being the victim of some sort of assault. Yeah. No, that's it. It's terrible. And you really it's it's the same story you get from like it's it's how you feel about serial killers when you hear about their childhoods.

Like it always there's always some sort of serious trauma there. And it's like I feel for you. That's awful. You're awful now. Yeah. You know, I can't we can't go back and fix that. You should try to go get therapy. It's it's for the time being you're killing people.

It's an intensely complicated version of a balance of empathy and disgust. Right. That it's possible to feel. I don't think for him. No, no, no for us. No, from here it's obvious that he's doing something ungodly. Here's where empathy goes straight the fuck out the window. Put the mic down.

Hey, everybody, Pastor Steven Anderson here from Faith Board Baptist Search in Tempe, Arizona. And I just wanted to record a quick video about the news this morning about the shooting in Orlando. I guess a Muslim terrorist went into a gay bar and shot him up. And there's 50 sodomites, homosexuals that have been killed and another 50 some odd injured. And then the the Muslim guy himself was was shot by the police, it sounds like. And here's the good news and the bad news about this. You know, the good news is that there's 50 less pedophiles in this world because you know, homosexuals are a bunch of disgusting perverts and pedophiles.

That's who was a victim here are a bunch of just disgusting homosexuals at a gay bar. Okay. But the bad news is that this is now going to be used. I'm sure to push for gun control where, you know, law abiding normal Americans are not going to be allowed to have guns for self defense. And then I'm sure it's also going to be used to push an agenda against so called hate speech. So called the two things there is like he that's Alex Jones but without the subtext with the the hey, good thing these homosexuals died.

Yeah, that sort of thing. Wow. So the other thing is he always in all of the interviews that he's given that have been like. So called hate. I just said I'm glad people died because they are gay specifically. I'm glad and people are going to come after me for hate speech. I don't even understand. I don't even understand why you consider that hate speech.

Hey, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that if I said immediately following his church being shot the fuck up and I said well at least 50 Christians are dead, maybe. Just going to go out on a limb. Maybe some Christians would call that hate speech. It's possible. It's possible. So in an interview. Fucking Christ.

How do you get to that place where it's like I think I'm glad that people are dead. Here's an interview that he gave in a BBC documentary. It starts with him and then I will indicate when it goes to the interviewer. To normal people homosexuality and pedophilia are disgusting to a normal person. And the interviewer says why do you put pedophilia and homosexuality in the same group? He responds they are in the same group because any man who would have sex with another man would have sex with anything. Period.

Like I'll put it this way. Any man who had sex with another man would have sex with an animal in the interviewer. That's blatantly not true though. He responds it is true. That's reality even if you don't think it's reality. So the interviewer says what do you think homosexuals should do then? He responds kill themselves. As far as I'm concerned because they're horrible wicked people.

They're just going to keep molesting and destroying people. So I don't have any advice for homosexuals except to put a bullet in your own head. So you don't molest my kids or anyone else's kids. And at this point it becomes very clear since this is such a consistent thread. I think he was probably the victim of some sort of assault when he was younger. And he has conflated in his mind that all homosexuals are the same as the person who assaulted me. And that is really sad. I mean it's at the same time it's kind of a trite armchair psychology to be like well clearly

based on what you've said you were molested as a child. And so you're carrying this deep hatred with you. Well and that seems really likely right now. But I'm not going to just go out and you know. And this deep childish misunderstanding. Right. So anyway without psychoanalyzing him from a distance or whatever I agree with you. It seems very likely.

Seems really likely. This explains all of his cosmology and the pain that he's causing to a bunch of people. And the misleading of 150 or however many people he has in his flock. And he's the type of person who Alex Jones willingly has on his show as an expert on religion. Now I told you it was going to be terrible. And then it was going to be hilarious. He used to go on the show in like 2009 or so back in back in the ways in the past. And in my looking around I found this video from pretty currently that's pretty funny.

Hey everybody. Pastor Steven Anderson here from Faithful War Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. And I just wanted to make a quick video to give you some thoughts on Alex Jones and Info Wars. Now back in 2008 and 2009 I used to do a lot of driving for my job. And so you're just going down the road for hours and hours and hours. And so I would listen to Alex Jones live quite a bit on those drives just because I was bored. I'd already listened to the Bible on CD. I'd listened to preaching.

I'd listened to other shows just tons of time to listen to stuff. So I definitely ended up listening to the Alex Jones show back in those days. And I watched his films, you know, the Obama Deception Endgame stuff like that. And I liked that stuff. I thought just real quick he liked Endgame. Yeah. We have five episodes about why that's a problem. I thought it was pretty good at the time.

And a little bit later on in 2012 when we came out with our film After the Tribulation, you know, Alex Jones ended up picking it up and selling it on his Info Wars website starting in early 2013. And he sold it until just recently. He also sold the Book of Revelation series we put out. I made a lot of money from him. And for a very short time he also even sold our film New World Order Bible versions. But here's the thing, you know, I just, I have to just come out and say it.

That I'm gay. You know, I don't support Alex Jones or Info Wars at all. And in fact, at this point, I think that Alex Jones is just a total idiot. And that infowars.com is pretty much a worthless website at this time. Isn't that great? Why are these people? Why are they allowed? So get this.

He also has some words about Paul Joseph Watson. Oh, well, that, I mean, Paul Joseph Watson. Okay. Which is like the second in command to Alex Jones. You know, I had been following him on Twitter and on Facebook. And I had to delete him from everything because the guy's like a broken record. He's so boring. Everything is just about Islam and pro-Trump and pro-homosexual.

I mean, literally like everything that this Paul Joseph Watson saying is just now it's just pro-homosexual and just, you know, pro-Trump and anti-Islam. It's like, that's all he can talk about. It's so boring. Says the I hate gays and only gays guy. Wow. So one real quick last little parting shot here from that video about how boring all this is. Now it's just pro-Republican, just, you know, anti-Islam.

And look, I'm against Islam as a wicked religion, but I'm talking about that's all they talk about now is just being against Islam because that's what their Republican neocon warmonger audience now wants to hear apparently. How is it even this guy gets it? Even this fucking idiot gets it. What? It's crazy. You can't do that.

So crazy. No, you can't get it and then just not be able to turn and look in the mirror. It's an unbelievable story of, you know, we got this guest on Alex Jones' show who's just on the surface appears to be someone who's into post-tribulation rapture. And then it turns out he is a really weird Christian guy who seems to have some very strong feelings in the negative about Jews. And homosexuals. Also goes on violent angry rants about homosexuals.

To the effect even going so far as to say that they're all pedophiles and he's glad that they got killed in the pulse shooting and we can use context clues to figure out why that's the case. And then even he fucking gets that Alex is an idiot. I can't believe these people. It's a broken clock is right once a day kind of thing. How does it, how does that happen? How does it finally break through? Also, I like it.

I like how he said it's boring. I like how he's like, oh, these guys are just so boring. It's because they're just anti-Muslim and anti-pro gay. I hate Muslims too. I hate them. Hold on. But you got to switch it up. Right, right.

He's just pissed off that they're not as overtly anti-gay as he wants them to be. Yeah, exactly. And he's pissed off. And they're not inviting him on anymore. He's pissed off that they've stopped inviting him on and they aren't selling his shit anymore because even Alex is smart enough to know when someone is bad for business. Yeah. You know when you can't get involved with somebody and it's them.

Yeah, if there's anything Alex Jones is smart enough to know, it's when somebody's bad for business. And that's crazy because Steve Pachanik is still coming on. Well, even though he doesn't realize that he himself is also bad for business. Well, yeah, but even him just saying all these shootings are fake and stuff like that, like that's terrible for business. But somehow I got to keep him around. I've known him too long.

Whereas, I mean, this guy saying that it's good that gay people died in Orlando, like you can't keep that guy around. Even Alex knows that that's like conspiracy. Okay. Faithful word Baptist. FWB. Whoa. Friends with benefits.

All right. That's what he's all about. He's into that Ashton Kutcher movie. That's what he's all about. Loves it. Fair enough. So Jordan, this has been interesting. Difficult episode to summit.

That's such a that's such a that's such a Dunning Kruger effect explanation perfectly. Like that guy is smart enough to realize that they're putting out this dumb shit over and over and over again. And yet he's too stupid to realize that he is doing the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Like he can't figure that next level out. Well, it's a lack of self-awareness because of how intensely pained he is.

Yeah. You know, and I again, that's the piece of it that I empathize. It's easy to empathize with. But unfortunately, the end results are terrible. Right. And I look most cult leaders don't don't come from peaceful childhoods. So like, I don't know. At the end of the day, all I wanted to do here was take a little journey through one of Alex

Jones's guests and it turned out Russell Brands interview was too boring. So this is what we got. Anyway, if you enjoyed the show, please check us out over at knowledge fight.com. Please do. You can follow us on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fights. Correct. We're also on Facebook.

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Also, so far in our Facebook group, the go home and tell your mother you're brilliant, it does look like that people are enjoying the idea of doing a bracket of sound bites instead of a super long one. So I think I will do that. All right. So that looks like that is the way we're going to go. I apologize because there's like two people last time I checked that were anti that option. And I'm sorry, I'll maybe make you guys a sound bite.

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