Knowledge Fight - #140: February 18, 2011

Episode Date: March 21, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the time that Charlie Sheen popped up on The Alex Jones Show and began the uncomfortable public spectacle that would take on a life of its own. Most people remember the quotes, but many forget that the kick-off occurred on The Alex Jones Show. Come for the uncomfortable rambling, stay for Alex being a bad friend for broadcasting this.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. How's it going out there? Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. That is indeed what we do, Dan. Yep.

Dan. Yep. That's my new thing. Yep. Yep. Yep. What's up? Dan, do you know a lot about Alex Jones?

So much. God damn it. That's when you were supposed to do the yep. Yep. I set you up. I know. I set you up for it. I'm not good at the two-man game. Dan, do I know a lot about Alex Jones?

Yep. There we go. Nailed it. Speaking of nailing it, guys, we got a lot to get to before we get into today's episode. First thing, I mean, just one-to-one on the nailing it. I got to let everyone know a big congratulations out to our friend Jordan here for making an amazing homemade pizza. Oh, fuck off. Last night, it went over to your place. You made a great homemade pizza.

It was awesome. It was all right. I think it deserves celebration and the people need to know about it. It was a good pizza. It was fantastic. This is my second go-around. The first one, not good. Yeah.

Not good. But this one was a fantastic affair. And speaking of fantastic affairs, I got to say. Great transition. We have a couple of amazing policy wonks to give a shout out to today. This is big league stuff. Not that other people and their donations to the show aren't awesome. They're all fantastic.

But today, we get to give a shout out to someone who donated as a policy wonk. But for reasons I'll explain here in a minute, I'm bumping him up to a globalist just right off the bat. Damn. So I'd like to give a shout out to our new policy wonk who is a globalist as a sweet ass name. Thank you so much, Dan. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Bom, bom, bom, bom, bom. So thank you so much, Dan. I know it's not you, Dan, because you are broke. You couldn't donate to our show if you wanted to. No, I could not. But this Dan B, the reason that we're bumping him.

Dan Byrne, he's a great music singer-songwriter. That could be him. The reason we're bumping him up to a globalist right off the bat is along with the donation. He sent an awesome message, and that is, I've been listening through all the old episodes to catch up. On April 17th, 2017, you mentioned buying fillyourhand.com and redirecting it to your site. You didn't do it, so I did. No, Dan B! So thank you so much, Dan.

Dan B, you're a goddamn hero! That's the coolest thing ever. That is the coolest thing ever. And now, if you go to fillyourhand.com, redirectstoknowledgeright.com, which is awesome. I have never been in love the way that I am in love with you right now, Dan B. It's so cool, because I had forgotten that we even said that. Yeah, of course! Of course!

Yeah, that's the coolest thing. So thank you so much. And then also, I'd like to give a shout out to someone who, I mean, you know, this is obviously a pseudonym, or maybe it's not in fiction, is reality. But as a coming right in as a technocrat, we'd like to thank you so much. John Wick. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars.

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomayor sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark! Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ! Thank you so much, John Wick.

We appreciate it. Man, if that is a look, if that's like sending a black dot, John Wick is coming for it. Have you killed any puppies recently? Zero. Okay, good. Recently. Zero in my life. All right.

So I just got a message from somebody that on April 12th of 2017, you killed a puppy and that's why John Wick donated. That is not true. I swear. So thank you so much. These are really awesome turns of events and if you'd like to become a policy wonk, you may do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the sport show button. Honestly, I'm very self-conscious about this.

Yeah, I know. So far. It's crazy. Well, I mean, I feel like I have low energy. You know, I feel like I... Oh, do you mean the show right now? Yeah. I feel like I didn't do a good job thanking those people.

Wow. Very good. Your anxiety and self-loathing are high, high today. Yeah. You know what? You're up. Today, I woke up and I don't know what it is. I'm not in it.

Okay. I tried. It was that fucking pizza, wasn't it? It could have been the pizza. Oh, God damn it. I tried to get it up for like the show today and I tried to listen. I was just like, I can't do it. I just, I'm not interested in it and I really tried to force it and it's one of the challenges

of doing a show like this is like, sometimes it's not fun. Right. The studying portion especially is not fun. And so I was like, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta show up and I do have a, I do have a fun episode for us to do today. Is this like, are you, are you telling us this is your Michael Jordan flu game? Is that what you're under the weather and you're still going to fucking deliver? Is that what's going on here?

I mean, we'll see about the delivering. We'll see how that turns out to talk to me after the show. Okay. Yeah. I really, I really just, my heart and soul wasn't in this, but I think, I think it's going to work out. Okay. But when my heart and soul is in, dammit, give me, give me more of that transition.

Give me, give me that. Okay. Give me a take two on that one. You know, it doesn't need a second take our March Madness Bracken. Yes. On the last episode, I promised we'd have a bunch more matchups today. And because I, uh, kind of a little bit, I didn't, I will do a bunch of matchups on the next episode, but we have one matchup today.

Okay. Well, on the last episode, we introduced the guests division. Yes. And I am not surprised to report Steve Pachennick is trouncing. Yeah. Yeah. That one's too good. But today we introduced the, you could have asked how I was doing.

So good. It's great. So we introduced the, uh, religious division. Oh no. Uh, and so we have, Oh, this is going to be some heavy hitters then. And there's some good stuff. We have, uh, today the number four seed in the religious division was, uh, from January

of, uh, this year when Alex Jones was out among the, uh, people celebrating, uh, the inauguration. Um, and, uh, he said to this about needing to go pray. I'm going to go get settled down in an office and just take a shower or something and just get on my knees and pray to God. I'll be honest with you. I want to get in a room by myself and hit my knees and start crying because it's just so good.

And I'm telling you, man, the evil is going to strike back. We got to be watching them. We got to be ready, but we know who they are. We know their plan. And I got to say it. It's been info wars. It's been info wars and you, the people and our analysis. Tell them Alex.

I like that there's the tell them, Alex, the bullshit. I got to pray. Also, it's been our analysis. Yes. Infowars.com is great. Um, I think the selection committee probably put that in the four seed over some of his lengthy rants about the devil because of the fake tears. Right.

I think the fake tears, um, and the guy yelling bullshit. Yeah, I know that. That one's a big fan. Yeah. That one's good. That elevates this clip. It will surprise literally nobody that that will be going up against the number one seed from our first episode ever.

Oh, is it? It might be time. It's time. Woo. I mean, this is in a reddable just red alert, red alert, red alert. This is getting crazy. This is so fricking out of control. It's time to pray.

Boom. All right. I'm a father. Drop it. Please help us open our eyes. Please help us be good. We're so sorry for all the abortions and all the evil in our name. Yeah.

It's time to pray. I just love the, the beginning red alert, red alert, red alert, oh, the rhythm on that. And if you recall the reason that he was going into that, you know, thinking that it's time to pray was because he thought the Benjamin Netanyahu was going to get arrested immediately, which adds a weird layer to it that, uh, anyway, uh, I, I think that unfortunately this might be another one that the upset is going to be very difficult for the contenders, but it's time to pray is legendary. It kind of is.

Yeah. Especially with the legacy of being on our first episode. Yeah. It's something that's going to be, it's an uphill battle for the, uh, bullshit Yeller at the rally. Right. Uh, but we will see voting will be open, uh, on our, uh, Facebook group. Go home and tell your mother.

Currently, currently, I'm, I'm leaning towards that as the favorite for the whole tournament. It's going to be tough for something else to come in, although I have some surprises. Yeah. I have some things that you might have forgotten that are absurd. Some dark horse candidates. All right. Yeah. Let's find out.

Speaking of dark horses. God damn it. I thought you said you weren't in it today. Your transitions are fire, my friend. Well, that's just muscle memory. I can do that asleep. Um, so today, Jordan, I, like I said, I didn't care for his show today. I found it very boring, uh, and didn't want to play, uh, games with it.

And I was trying to think about like, maybe today, uh, we go back and, uh, we go to 2008, but that takes way too much time. I didn't have the time to do it and I don't want to half-ass that. I don't want to half-ass anything, but I found something that we can half-ass. And that is, um, the day that Charlie Sheen destroyed his own life on Alex's show. Ah, that was on Alex's show. Do you not remember this? I remember, I remember him destroying his life.

I didn't remember that it was on Alex's show. Let me give you a little bit of history. Okay. So, uh, at the time, uh, in 2011, Charlie Sheen was making $1.8 million per episode on two and a half men in what would be his last season of the show. Also, uh, at this point, uh, he had, uh, uh, uh, I'm just going to give you a little bit of backstory on him. Uh, in 1998, Charlie Sheen had a stroke after overdosing on cocaine.

Uh, January 1990, Sheen accidentally shot his fiancee in the arm, uh, accidentally shot her in the arm. Hey, that happens. Cool, cool, cool. That's just called the Burroughs Special. Sheen pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault charges involving his wife, uh, Burke Mueller, in August 2010, receiving a sentence of 30 days probation, as well as rehab and anger management counseling.

His second wife, Denise Richards, accused him of physically and verbally abusing her and threatening her life. She obtained a restraining order against him in 2006. Well, that's good. On October 26th, 2010, Charlie Sheen was removed from the Plaza hotel after doing over $7,000 in damages to the property. According to the New York time, uh, New York police department, Charlie Sheen admitted he was drinking and doing cocaine that night.

I was going to say, I thought you were going to say he did over $7,000 of cocaine. He might have. Yeah. Um, so, um, uh, in January of 2011, production was forced into hiatus on two and a half men because Charlie had to go to rehab after he was hospitalized following a three day coke bench. The third time he'd tried to get clean in the past year. Then on February 18th, 2011, Charlie Sheen went on the Alex Jones show and acted like

a drugged up idiot, which is literally the reason he ended up getting fired from his show. Wow. All of that stuff. Charlie Sheen's public meltdown. All of it started on Alex Jones's show. Did not know that. We're going to listen to this.

Well, I thought it was like on, uh, Barbara Walters or something like that. Where he, oh. We're not going to listen to it here because it's only like four minutes long and a cluster fuck, but in like later, because Alex is the beginning of this arc, uh, Alex goes on the view to defend Charlie Sheen. What? So that might be where you get into Barbara Walters connection. Wait, what?

Yeah. That can't be real. He starts screaming about the view allowed Alex Jones on their fucking show. It's pretty wild because he keeps trying to say like, Charlie Sheen doesn't do drugs. Oh no. And what have you. And then, uh, yeah, it just turns into people yelling over each other. Well, yeah.

He wants to talk about the banks and what have you. And whoopee is like, can we please talk about Charlie Sheen? I don't want to talk about any of this. It's such a mess. And like everybody remembers the tiger blood. Everybody remembers, uh, a lot, a lot of these quotes and what they forget is a lot of them started on Alex Jones's show. That's crazy.

The Vatican assassin stuff. All of that comes. That was proven true. Well, absolutely. Yeah. The black nobility. Of course. Um, so this is a fateful day that it's interesting that history has rewritten because the public

meltdown went so much further and Charlie Sheen is a giant star. Yeah. That the, that his appearance on Alex Jones's show kickstarted a lot of it. And it's largely forgotten in the general public consciousness because of course I had no idea that he'd even gone on Alex Jones's show in the fucking first place. A lot of people forget that, but, uh, we are not ones to forget. There's not a lot to debunk here. There's really, really just, we're going to end up listening to Charlie Sheen act like

an idiot and Alex Jones laugh because he knows that this is going to get him so much great. This is great. This has got to get me on the view. He should say it's, it's higher than that, but what, whatever. Spoiler alert. Yeah. Throughout the interview, they will, uh, reference someone named nails.

I thought it was just a friend of theirs named nails. It's out. It's Lenny Dykstra. Yeah. No. I thought everybody knew who nails was. I did. I know that's Dykstra's nickname.

I did not know that the two of them were talking about specifically Lenny Dykstra. They have to, because Lenny Dykstra is the only person maybe as crazy as those two guys are. And he shows up at the end of the interview. Why? What? Yeah. Dykstra shows up and, uh, we don't, wait, does he just have a, does he just know

when people are speaking about him in the ether sphere or were they aware? They're all friends. And so like, uh, I, we're not going to listen to any of that because it, it, the surreality of Alex Jones talking to Charlie Sheen and Lenny Dykstra is overshadowed by how boring it is. Oh no. It's really nothing. Oh, that's disappointing.

Well, Charlie was trying, you know, he doesn't like sharing the guest seat. He wants to be daddy. See, I want Lenny Dykstra to be trying to sell Charlie Sheen on a fake property. No, that's, that's the goal I have there. Dykstra is just basically like, haha, isn't this guy awesome? Which I would argue is both him and Alex being bad friends. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, uh, here's the first clip. The word enabler is a very, uh, important word. You know what's going on and people are so, you know, uh, mystified by this, uh, this, this, this, this odyssey that, that, that, that refuses to stop calling itself Charlie Sheen. Absolutely. Charlie, it was good to see you a few weeks ago at your home. You are.

Likewise. You are looking, you are looking great. You're completely clean. Aren't you? A hundred percent. You know, here's your first P test. Next one goes in your mouth. No, you won't get high.

It's all good. It's all good guys. Quit panicking. Quit panicking. No panic. No judgment. And you're working out even a couple of times a day sometimes. Um, well, yeah, but there's only one time in the gym, if you catch my drift, Alex, uh,

whatever. We're live. Are we? No, we're live. Uh, Charlie, uh, speaking of that, the media, uh, you don't want to go there. You don't. So real quick, we'll get back, uh, the clip's not done, but, um, uh, throughout the, this time and whenever Alex goes on the view, uh, and, um, they're referencing also after

this, Charlie Sheen allowed like, uh, cameras into his house and they publicly took his blood, uh, to be tested to prove that he's not on drugs. Great. Um, but it's, it's kind of interesting because blood testing for drug use is incredibly, incredibly accurate. Like it'll, it's very good for finding stuff, but unfortunately the amount of time it's detectable in your blood, the window is very short. So for instance, amphetamines, uh, aren't detectable after like 10 hours in your blood.

Okay. Um, that's good to know. Amphetamine is about 24 hours. Barbiturates, uh, possibly about a day or two, uh, uh, benzos could be as quick as six hours later out of your blood. All right. Cocaine, generally about 12 hours. Right.

It's not detectable in your blood. So, uh, I don't know. I'm not convinced. Oh, LSD. Also zero. Yeah. I was going to say that's hard to detect. Period.

PCP about 12 hours. Generally speaking. So, uh, never done PCP. The idea that he's like proving that he's not doing drugs by having them take his blood is like, you could just time this. Yeah. That's, that's ridiculous. You would, you would hope he would have done some research on it before he, uh, committed

to that. So I'm sorry. I was never, I was never a big fan of the whole Charlie Sheen, uh, meltdown just because no, me neither. It's sad. I mean, I don't like, I don't watching somebody who is clearly mentally ill on top of doing all that. You're not, you don't wind up doing a shit ton of cocaine and, and all of this shit without

having some underlying mental issues going on. Oh, absolutely. And it's clear that he is, uh, if not of my people, at least, uh, adjacent to the bipolar community. Oh, definitely. And so it's, it was like a little bit of, I mean, I mean, at a certain point you stop punching up whenever you're mocking a celebrity and you start really punching down. Well, like that's kind of my.

My issue there. Cause the celebrity portion gets eclipsed by the human portion of it. And it's right. Yeah. That whole time period was very uncomfortable for me because I didn't know a few people who were like, haha, isn't this awesome? Yeah. And I thought, no, this is not awesome.

This is painful. This is, this is really tough to watch. I think my biggest issue though is Alex went to Charlie's house. Oh yeah. They're buddies. Are they friends? Yeah, they've been friends for a long time. Have they been friends for a long time?

Yeah. They're both crazy. Why? I don't know. I don't know. So whenever Alex starts talking about starfuckery, how come he doesn't bring up Charlie Sheen all the time? He does sometimes, but I think that the way that this ends up playing out, he doesn't

want to bring it up much. Gotcha. Especially the way, I don't want to tease too much, but the stuff that Charlie Sheen has said lately about this period of his life, I don't think Alex wants to associate necessarily too closely. Okay. Because Charlie Sheen's retcon to whole bunch of stuff. Okay.

Like spoiler alert, at the end of this, he's going to claim it was a steroid cream that gave him a right. Oh, that sounds right. Yeah. So he looks back on his like, this was a very cringey time. Oh man. I bet Alex stopped being friends with Charlie when he stopped being as famous. I would almost guarantee that.

Possibly. I don't think Alex, I think Alex is such a starfucker that he, the moment the star fades, he's like, I got to find new famous friends. I think so. I think he abandoned Charlie Sheen. I don't know. I don't know if there's, I don't know. But he did kill Nock.

That's possibly true. Don't tell John Wick. Don't want to ever defend yourself, but you've told me privately, most of the stuff, most of the names, it's not true, but what is going on with the women in your life? The goddesses. Alex, the goddesses. Let me just say this about the goddesses. I don't believe the term is good enough, is good enough.

But when you're bound by these terrestrial descriptions, you must use the best choice available, right? Yes. So if you think about it, it's like I'm over three with marriage, with no excuse, but like in baseball, the scoreboard doesn't lie, never has. So what we all have is a marriage of the heart, of the hearts. And to suddenly contaminate or radically disrespect this union with a shameful contract is something I will, you know, leave to the amateurs and the Bible grippers, the Bible grippers.

You nailed it. Nailed it. You know, winning. What's strange there is when somebody like that uses the term goddess, that is simply another way of demeaning women. Totally. It's such a strange thing for him to like, terrestrial words aren't enough, but scoreboard doesn't lie.

Fuck you. You fucking, what are you fucking talking about? And he's talking about the porn stars that he's hanging out with. Oh, well, that's probably doing drugs with. Yeah. Hey, I don't judge anybody in the sex work industry. No, neither do I, but it's just like you have to look at the picture of what he was doing at that time, because in this next clip, actually, we'll even get to it.

They talk about like whether his, I believe then wife is involved with his shenanigans and he has a very interesting spin on it. And then I just got to add this. There was a whole firestorm yesterday about Brooke being, you know, a part of our, a part of our crew and this, let me just say this, this is all I'm going to say about it was is that where there were four, there are now three, but my Brooke and good luck in your travels, you're going to need it badly. So, so it did go along with you, but she's not there now.

No, she's not there now. And, and, and we are, and I don't know, winning anyone. Rhymes is winning anyone. Yeah, that would be us. Sorry, man, didn't make the rules. Oops. Well, well, Charlie, I've known you for six, six and a half years or so. And I knew you when you were completely clean and then I've known you since.

But, but the point is now I've never seen you when I was out at your house and talking on the phone, so energized as you are now. I mean, you, I mean, you're on fire. As nails told the news yesterday, I mean, I agree with that description. Well, I think it was nails that said I was really, really flattered because he got it right. That I'm not, you know, he might be nails, but I'm fricking bayonets, you know, I am bad at bayonets, bro.

And I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm tired. I am so tired of pretending like my life isn't perfect and bitching and just winning every second. And I'm not perfect and bitching and just delivering the goods at every fricking turn because look what I'm dealing with, man. I'm dealing with fools and trolls. You know, dealing with, with soft targets. And it's just, you know, it's, it's just strafing runs in my underwear

before my first cup of coffee, because I don't have time for these clowns. I don't have time for their judgment and their stupidity. And, you know, they lay down with their ugly wives in front of their ugly children and just look at their loser lives and then they'll get me and they say, I can't process it. Well, no, and you never will stop trying. Just sit back and enjoy the show. That does sound a lot like Alex Jones.

To some extent. That sounds a lot like what, like that, that's just a more concentrated version of the shit that Alex Jones has spread out over, over time. Cause I bet if we wanted to, you could go back and find a little chunk of different sentences and put all of those chunks together and it would be word for word, that yeah, Alex is that same piece of shit. Also, I'm interested now because Alex Jones 100% did a shit ton of coke with Charlie Sheen.

But there's a decent, I don't know if we can, I don't know if you can say that 100% 100% seems very high. I knew you, I knew you when you were totally clean. And so what's going on now is code for, yeah, we did a lot of coke together. I mean, it's again, I can't refute that. I don't know. I think it's, I think we'll never be able to prove that it's entirely possible, whatever the issue here is that like this is irresponsible of Alex.

Like I know that he, he's such a attention grabber. He's such a, he's so desperate for any kind of attention that'll come to him that he knows that like, oh, this guy's rambling nonsense. Everyone's going to be all over this. Not recognizing the damage that probably come to the reputation and the life of someone he considers a friend. Right. And that's, that's bad.

That's a, that's not a good human thing to do. Like if you came in here one day, you were all fucked up and you started just talking nonsense and you'll see some of the other shit he ends up saying, like, I would not put that out. No, of course not. Or I would tell you to shut up and try and get the interview on track towards what the substance of the matter is. And the fact that, the fact that Alex doesn't do that.

I mean, he's using, he's using Charlie and that's, that's kind of, that's such a, that's such a cruel thing to do. I don't like that. No. And that's, that's one of the reasons I wanted to go over this. I mean, not as much, it is interesting that like, a lot of that madness has its roots here in Alex's show. Uh, but the sort of cruelty of Alex is allowing him to do this is, um,

and not just allowing him, egging him on actively like, Hey, be, be more crazy. I'm giving you positive feedback. So you got to keep bringing the goods. Yeah. Like that kind of thing. Yeah. So, um, in this next clip, we get to where things were fairly problematic. Uh, this is one of the big reasons, um, that he got in trouble for this interview.

I'm loving, yeah, that's Chuck's real name. Uh, miss took this rock star for his own selfish exit strategy, bro. Check it, Alex. I embarrassed him in front of his children in the world by healing at a pace that, that his uninvolved mind cannot process. Okay. Unless I check time, uh, I've spent, I think close to the last decade, I don't know, effortlessly and magically converting your, your tin cans into pure

gold and the gratitude I get in this get is, is this charlatan chose not to do his job, which is to write clear to someone who believes he is above the law. Well, you've been more and dude. So he's talking about Chuck Laurie. Yeah. Got a little started off anti-Semitic. A little bit harsh, especially calling him Hyme, uh, Levine. Um, because his real name is Charles Michael Levine.

Um, and so the Hyme part is probably just directly, uh, yeah. You are, he might as well have said, like, I embarrassed him and his Jew children in front of the world, like that kind of level of anti-Semitic. Yeah. He, um, uh, and, uh, uh, Chuck Laurie explained that he changed his, uh, name because his mother, uh, was never a fan of his father's family and she had an unfortunate habit of using Levine as a stinging insult. When displeased with me, she would often say, or shriek, you know what you are?

You're a Levine, a no good rotten Levine. So as far back as I can remember, every time I heard my last name, I would experience acute feelings of low self-esteem. So that's what I always say about Adam Levine. So there's that his songs have taken a toll on me. Um, so it's not too much of a mystery. He's not trying to hide his Jewish heritage or whatever, but you know, like it's not, it's not that at all.

And the fact that, uh, you know, Charlie is, is, uh, using that as some sort of an insult is really the reason that he got into trouble. So I'm going to read to you from a Guardian article here. Filming of the 30 minute show, two and a half men had been due to restart next week after Sheen's latest bout of rehabilitation for drinking drugs until he hit the self-destruct button in spectacular style on Thursday when he spoke live, uh, to a radio jock called Alex Jones for CBS and its holding company, Warner Brothers television, what probably most stuck in the

crawl was his anti-Semitism tinged tirade against the creator and lead writer of two and a half men, Chuck Lorre. So that's probably, um, you know, the world believes, and I think rightfully so, that that was a big mistake. That, that's real bad and probably a big part of why he, What a more innocent time where the Guardian just calls him radio jock. Alex Jones, less awareness of, yeah, exactly. So here's that is not his, uh, his, uh, uh, what preamble, uh, in the

current times. No, no, he noted asshole conspiracy theorist monster. Alex Jones, yeah, that's not part of his, uh, honorific title. Radio jock has, has gone by the wayside. So in this next clip, uh, we get to see, uh, one of Charlie's, uh, big catch phrases get deployed, uh, and it's just lunacy. Yeah. Here's, I've known you and in the years of people that have

known you for decades, they say Charlie is on fire and after he came out of what he's been in the last seven months, he is, he is not putting up with people trying to push him around anymore. Is that fair to say? It's, it's, yeah, it's an understatement. You know, it's, um, I just, I'm sorry, man. I got, I got, I got magic and I got poetry at my fingertips and I'm, you know, at, uh, most of the time, and this is, you know, this includes

naps, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm an F 18, bro. And I will, I will destroy you in the air and I will, I will, I will deploy my ordinance to the ground. Are you going to announce your new, uh, tattoo here on air? Yeah, why not? Cause it's just a pure, pure and complete gnarly isms. Um, yeah, I sat with two, uh, hey, coincidence, uh, F 18 to top gun radical fire napalm dropping pilots in my movie theater, watching the

a tax sequence that did the chopper attack sequence on the beach head to go surfing because they wanted to, and those people were in their way. Um, and I, and I was getting a tattoo during the, the, the, the, the death from above and it was a, uh, it's the banner from the death card that, that Kilgore is throwing on his victims, but there's also falling from it. Is the, uh, is the apple from the giving tree. There's my life deal with it. Oh wait, can't process it.

Losers winning. Bye-bye. Noof. I, what, what, I, I didn't understand what, what tracked there. Uh, what was he describing? I think the tattoo is a combination of that death card that he's referencing and, uh, an apple from the giving tree. I don't know.

I don't know. I mean, like, look, like I said, there's nothing to really debunker. Like it's almost impossible to deconstruct or track any of this stuff. Like the lines of thinking, I think he was in a movie theater, completely disjointed. You, are you sitting with two F 18, uh, fighter pilots? And they giving him the tattoo. I don't know, man.

It doesn't matter. Just thought of the fucking tattoo. I've never considered getting a tattoo by two artists before. That would be interesting. Simultaneously. Oh, they work their way towards each other. Yeah, that'd be fun. That would be kind of fun.

Yeah, I should do that. I can't afford to hire two artists though. No, that's like, that's twice as much per hour. Yeah. So in this next clip, uh, Alex talks about, uh, future movies, uh, that, uh, Charlie Sheen is going to be a part of, uh, the rumor mills written by Alex Jones, the rumor mills are spinning. And again, at this point, he'd not been fired for two and a half

minutes that comes after this, right? Uh, but, uh, this, this is nonsense. Uh, moving on along here, a major league three or other two were giant, uh, hits and, uh, I knew the inside baseball of some of the planning, uh, for that. You told me about it a while back, but now it looks like it's really starting to come together. Uh, tell us about, uh, when we're going to be looking for major league three and who's going to be in it.

I don't know. I haven't read it. I don't care. It's being directed and written by a genius named David Ward, who, oh, I don't know, won the Academy Award at 23 for writing the sting. Um, and it was his pen that, that, that, and his vision that created the classic that, that we know today as major league. In fact, a lot of people think the movie's called wild thing as they should.

Um, but whatever. I, um, I agreed to do it. There's just one, there's one deal point that, uh, that Jim Robinson, a wonderful man and Morgan Creek, a great company, uh, needs to work out. Um, if they want me in it, it's a smash. If they don't, it's a turret that opens on a tugboat. Uh, well, um, a lot of fake laughs today. This is a, this is a huge fake laughs per minute game right here.

FPMs or high PMs. Um, so major league came out in 1989, uh, major league two came out in 1994. And then major league back to the minors came out in 1998 that did not have Charlie Sheen in it, but I mean, it is the third major league movie that already exists. Now, was that a prequel though? I don't know. I know it's not cause it's back to the minors, they go back to the minors.

Yeah. But also, I mean, it is, it is like, I mean, I'm splitting hairs a little bit cause they're already as a third film, but they did suggest making a proper sequel since that one did so poorly. It was really bad. Um, so it's just a, it's just a minor point that the third movie does already exist. It was really weird in back to the minors whenever the, uh, disgraced nuclear

physicist was murdered trying to buy, uh, uh, is that a different movie? I think it might be. Okay. The death card does get thrown. I don't know. Anyway, in this next clip, Alex asks Charlie, she in the $64,000 question, uh, which is, why did you decide to come and do this on info wars? That is a really big question.

And I can answer that in a different way than he does. My answer would be, yeah, I figured the stakes are low. Yeah. You know, I figure, right. If you're going to do something like this, it's a safe bet that most people aren't going to pay attention to Alex's show, but you forget that your own celebrity, in this case, Charlie, she and zone celebrity is going to elevate this Alex Jones thing, uh, which would be down here to another level and people

are going to pay attention to it. Well, also he did ask if they were live. So to, to my mind, what I hear there is Alex is calling me or Alex told me that I should call him and it turns out he meant that it's an interview and I didn't really realize that until it was too late. It's possible that his perceptions were that it was not a show. Yeah. I think, I think that's kind of what I'm, that's kind of what I'm getting here.

And, and that's not to say that Alex tricked him or anything, although that is certainly a possibility. It is certainly a possibility. If that's the case, then this is even worse. Yeah, but be that as it may, that question gets brought up and the idea that Alex did trick him, then adds the truth that Alex Jones ruined Charlie sheen's career almost single-handedly and Charlie sheen did it to himself, but Alex has a role to play in it by allowing this to happen.

Yeah. Any professional would absolutely not allow that. Um, so anyway, that question gets asked and then we get another one of those big old catchphrases from this period. Why did you decide to, uh, you know, basically unleash yourself here on this broadcast? Because I'm just, um, I don't know why, why give an interview when you can leave a warning, you know, that it's just not, um, I'm just not a, I'm not fair game.

I'm not a, I'm not a soft target. It's over. There's a new, uh, there's a new sheriff in town and he has an army of assassins. Oh, we must speak of the Vatican assassins. Yes, I, I, I, I don't read anything after it comes out because I will not, I will not waste my precious time on, on, on, on such ridiculous nonsense, but I understand, according to you, that there was a lot of curiosity about the Vatican assassin.

Um, and I'm like, guys, it's right there in the thing. Duh, we were from Pope. We murder people. We're Vatican assassins. How complicated can it be? Oh my gosh. What they're not ready for is guys like you and I and nails and all the other gnarly, gnarling tens in my life, um, that we are high priest, uh, Vatican

assassin warlocks, press that people where that goes. So throughout the context of this episode, it's pretty clear that this is an inside joke between him and Alex. Like I know that, uh, a lot of people made a lot of hay out of the Vatican assassins and that like maybe he actually thought that Vatican assassins were after him, uh, and what have you. Uh, I don't know if that's the case. I think I, I, I kind of leaning towards what you're saying there as well.

Uh, from the context I'm able to glean from this episode, it appears that it's just probably something that they laughed about privately and then decided to talk about on air as if it, and it might be something, uh, trolling and something that they thought about while they were all doing a lot of Coke together in Charlie Sheen's house. It's entirely possible. Yeah. So, you know, when you do Coke, you don't end up just doing nothing.

Sometimes you watch movies, right? Or hang out with Lenny Dykstra. Nails. Anytime anybody does Coke, Lenny Dykstra shows up. Hey guys. It's weird. Yeah. So in this next clip, um, uh, although I think he might be in jail now.

I'm pretty sure he's in. I've lost track of nails. Oh, nails is in jails. Uh, so in this next clip, we get a weird breakdown of apocalypse now, uh, is that the movie he was watching? It might have been. Um, and so in this next clip, uh, we get Charlie's very bizarre take on, uh, apocalypse now.

All right. Uh, uh, getting into apocalypse now. That's one killing. Also, I'm getting you from the chat room, uh, from Nikki gifts that Lenny Dykstra is out of prison. Oh, good. Congratulations. Nails.

Not, not good, but good for him. Sure. It's one of the, uh, things. It's probably my favorite movie. I know it's yours. Of course, your dad stars in it. You were there for months during the production of it. Put a big, uh, mark on your, uh, soul, uh, apocalypse now, my friend.

I mean, there's not much you can say other than genius, uh, represents life. Apocalypse will teach you how to, how to live inside of a moment between a moment. And that's where life is because, you know, I'm not just, I'm not just, you know, Captain Willard, much as my dad, and I'm, you know, heading up the river to kill another part of me, which is Kurtz. Uh, I am every character in between safe and a little weirdo with his gut strapped in begging for water. That's not me.

Feel like that's actually, you know, there are parts of me that are. Dennis Hopper, because my, my, my, my motto now is you either love or you hate and you must do so violently. And the reason you must hate violently is because, and you have to hate everybody that's not in your family because they're there to destroy your family. And they will, and it will come at you in all forms and shapes. And therefore there's nothing in the middle. I don't live in the middle anymore.

That's where you get slaughtered. That's where you get embarrassed in front of the prom queen. And I just, it's just not, it's just not an option. So we, you know, within that is, is, is tremendous focus and tremendous clarity and tremendous peace because you have absolute and total resolve about your decisions. If you love with violence and you hate with violence, there's nothing that can be questioned.

So that's an interesting take on apocalypse. Now, I don't think that was Joseph Campbell's point, but I don't, I don't think so when he wrote Heart of Darkness, I don't think he was a, I don't think he was like a, you know what this is about? Everyone's trying to destroy your family, except those in your family. Therefore you must hate and love violently. Yep. Yep.

Colonel Kurtz. Yeah. Yep. I got it. I don't, I mean, I don't, I don't like that. I don't like that as a philosophy. I'll just leave it at that. I don't like that as a way to look at the world.

I wonder how Martin Sheen's, I wonder how Charlie's doing now. Do you think he's doing okay? Uh, uh, no, sort of, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, we, I mean, Martin is, Martin's on that show with Martin Sheen. Charlie Sheen or Martin Sheen? I'm talking, I'm talking about Martin Sheen.

Uh, and I was, he's old. Yeah. He's old and he's still on that show with the, the, the one where the turns out they're gay and they were married to their best friends or whatever. It's, it's on Netflix. It's a good, it's actually pretty fun. I don't know that you're talking about. I don't have Netflix, but I, it's pretty good.

Sure. I believe you. Um, but yeah, so Joseph Conrad, you're getting, uh, she, oh yeah, I know. I dunked on the chat room. Completely, completely forgot. Yeah. Completely forgot. Similar enough names.

Yeah. No, I, I messed up. That's a gimme. Um, yeah. I don't know, man. Uh, my bad misspoke also. It's Grayson Frankie is the show. See, there we go.

Chat room. This is why the chat room is here. Very helpful to just correct my dumb shit. Yeah. Uh, yeah. No. So, so I know Emilio Estevez is doing great, uh, starring in, uh, Major League four coming out soon.

Just wondering like if you're, if you're still Martin Sheen and you're still famous and you're still doing, you're still working. Yeah. And your son, uh, has exploded his career and everything about his life. Yeah. How, how do you react to that? Like, I know they don't have a particularly close relationship. I imagine it's tough to watch.

Yeah. Right. I would assume. I don't know. Because also you have to consider too that like, you know, as we sort of laid out, uh, in very rough details, you know, certainly not a full picture, but Charlie Sheen has a history of domestic violence dating back to 1989 or whatever. And he's been in, in and out of rehab since around that time.

So like as a parent, you kind of probably diminished expectations, perhaps. Yeah. Perhaps I think that you kind of have to for your own protection. Right. Like understand that there's just, there's just a reality here and there's, there's nothing worse than when a parent has to bury their child's career. That's really, that's tragic. So, um, there are a number of people in the world who have had substance abuse

issues and have been able to turn their life around through the help of the program. Right. There are a number of people who advocate for alternative programs. Certainly there's the, you know, AA isn't the only way to go or NA. There are other, uh, non faith based, uh, um, sort of organizations. Even AA isn't really a religious organization, although that criticism is thrown around a lot.

Right. Because of the higher power component, yes, which a lot of people misrepresent and misunderstand to me and that you have to believe in God or any of that stuff. Um, but Charlie Jean does not like AA. Okay. That sounds right. Hey, so this next clip, he, uh, says some, some bad stuff about AA. Well, Charlie, I mean, I tell you, it is amazing, uh, and, uh, I just appreciate

you coming on today. So folks can really hear the, the energized, unleashed, um, uh, Charlie Jean, you wanted to talk about AA because, you know, when I was at your house, I said, man, great job being completely sober and, you know, uh, how important was it, but then we did about sober because that's a term from those people. And, um, I just dive by and cleanse myself. I close my eyes and, and, and then it's a nanosecond. I cured myself from this ridiculous model of disease and addiction and obsession.

It's just, it's just the work of sissies. Um, the only thing I'm addicted to right now is winning, you know, uh, the, the, the, the, this, uh, this bootleg cult, uh, you know, arrogantly referred to as alcohol exonimus is Alex supports a 5% success rate. My success rate is a hundred percent to the math. All right. Take for instance, it's founder. I'm broken down plagiarist state high on acid until the day he died.

I can't seem to find that chapter in his silly book of lies. To be fair, acid isn't necessarily a drug of abuse, you know, in the same way that alcohol cocaine is, there's not really, uh, you can't really do it all the time. It's really hard to do all the time. Most people will never have to even, uh, come, come close to the idea of being addicted to LSD. Yeah.

But be that as it may, um, he doesn't make a valid point that the, that's actually a really good question. Has it, do you, have you heard of anybody who was addicted to LSD? No, I've known some people who did too much, right, but not addicted. Certainly it's the same thing with like mushrooms and stuff. You can't do too much of it. Your body just won't allow you. And if you do a bunch of it, it'll stop having as much of an effect.

Right. And you'll just naturally like, I'm going to stop. Yeah. It doesn't trigger the same addictive, uh, brain chemicals. I don't understand it fully. I'm not a doctor, but no, I've never known anyone who's been addicted to, uh, psychedelics. Yeah, that's a, that'd be a strange thing to be addicted to.

Again, people who do too much. Yeah, you can absolutely do too many. Yeah. You're going to too many jam band festivals. You do too much. Um, damn, there's no such thing as too many jam band festivals. I was trying to work that into some sort of a, uh, a, uh, Jeff Fox worthy set up. If you go to too many jam band festivals, you might do too much acid.

It's not good. No, it's not good. It doesn't have the right rhythm. Nope. Nope. I just did a bad bit. Yep. So I, I would, I would suggest that, uh, his rhetoric about AA is unhelpful.

Um, I would suggest that based on. Everything, uh, he did not cure himself of addiction in a matter of a second. Yeah, a hundred percent might be a high for him. It's the kind of thinking that you, I mean, at the very least at this point in time, he's like one for three, even if he's correct this time, he's already been addicted multiple times in the past. No, I mean, if you count the failed, uh, attempts at rehab and stuff like that, then you, but here's the thing, that's why the 5% success rate that he's

citing for AA does have a pretty low success rate. Right. It's about, it's about equal to people who decide to quit on their own and that success rate, some mainly because addiction does require a lot of, uh, personal will in order to break. And so regardless of whether or not you have a program of support to you, you know, and there's a couple of pieces to it too, that are important, that everyone who goes through recovery knows that relapse is a part of recovery.

Yeah. And you're going to end up failing at some point. What's important is just getting back on track. Right. Um, and then beyond that, it's, uh, anonymous. Um, and I don't know if you're able to really get a good, uh, statistical, uh, a perfectly accurate portrait. That's a good point.

And I think, I think, uh, I think the success rate is lower than we would hope it would be. Right. Right. Um, but leaving people within their own addictions that usually leads to death or prison. Yeah. So I would, I'll take a 5% success rate if that's what it is.

Better than zero. Yeah. And then work towards something better. Yeah. I think things like Ibogaine and stuff like that. I never heard of that. I don't know enough about it, but I've, I've heard some people suggesting that it's a very powerful, uh, uh, cure for addictions.

Sounds culty. Well, it's like, uh, it's like a very heavy hallucinogen. Oh, okay. In the same way that you hear people talking about how like, you know, going and doing ayahuasca cured them of cigarette addiction and stuff like that. I don't know. I think it's possible. There have been, there have been plenty of people who have, uh, who have

started making the claim that, uh, taking LSD is a, uh, way of, uh, kind of lessening your symptoms of bipolar disease. Like that's something that I've, uh, read a lot about and how a lot of people have said that they haven't had to deal with as, as stringent, a program after that, or even like ecstasy helping with PTSD. Yeah, absolutely. There's all sorts of things that I'm, you know, it's outside of necessarily like our frame of study, right?

Appropriate medicine and quotes, but I think there's possibilities. Yeah. Anyway, my point is that this is stupid, but he's saying is stupid. Yeah. But there is, uh, there's a world of recovery outside of AA and I would rather him espouse that sort of, uh, uh, rhetoric as opposed to these stupid assholes I cured myself in a nanosecond. Uh, and, uh, the guy who ran the organization was a idiot.

Well, it's not helpful. I mean, the, the thing that I think about, uh, listening to this kind of talk, which clearly he's, he's, uh, at the, at the very least having a manic episode, uh, throughout this whole period of time, perhaps, um, I, I look at that and I see what it is that sycophants do to those kinds of people. You mean in the form of Alex? Yeah. And Alex taking that, uh, body, not just Alex, but, uh, all of the people

around him at that time, allowing him, yeah, nails, especially, uh, giving him that kind of, uh, ego and narcissism and allowing that to spread, allowing that to be as far and wide as possible. Like if you are, if you are Charlie Sheen, you have a massive platform to say something positive and because you're surrounded by the sycophants who tell you that everything you say is positive to you, that is a positive thing to say. What he's saying is I am opening people's eyes in the same way that Alex

Jones is surrounded by those, uh, sycophants who just, oh, everything you do is the greatest possible thing. You're saving the, the republic. Exactly. So now, now all of the negative shit that you are putting out is, uh, I don't know, is viewed by you as something that you're doing to help people. Bigger thing. Yeah.

It's nonsense. It's, and it's like, uh, to, to these guys, it's like, oh, this is tough love. I need to break you free of this concept of, of being a better person. You're never going to be a better person. You're not part of my family. Right. And so I'm killing you. You'll try and destroy my family.

Exactly. So, uh, Jordan. Hey, is trying to kill Charlie Sheen's family. I think he probably thinks that. Um, so, you know, uh, Alex Jones fancies himself a classical liberal. He likes to call himself a classical liberal. Sure. Um, and often talks about how he's a liberal in the Thomas Jefferson mold.

Right. And his next book, Charlie Sheen says something really weird about Thomas Jefferson. Okay. I'll be one of us. Newsflash. I am special and I will never be one of you. There it is.

You sound like Thomas Jefferson. Well, I'm not Thomas Jefferson. He was a pussy. Um, no, but I, but I, but I dare anyone to debate me on things. Okay. All right. All right. I would have thought.

This is kind of where I expect you to be like, all right, now we're going to get into all of the fights that Thomas Jefferson won over the years. Well, I would expect Alex to be like, you're now inviting a debate and you have insulted someone who I think is the most important founding father. And I, I am in line with him. He has, this is one of those. Alex has no actual principles other than if I want you to like me, I will agree with everything you say.

Yeah. And there's barely him doing any heavy lifting at all or trying to lead the conversation into greener pastures. He's just like doing his fake laugh. And sometimes I think that it's a sincere laugh. And then just being like, Hey, what, what's about that new tattoo of yours? And I've been over to your house. You're totally sober.

Yeah. Just allowing him to play himself out like Charlie, Charlie spray bullets everywhere. I'm loving it. Yeah. And then he even allows him to do this. He just allows him to read a note from one of his goddesses on the air. Then is about nothing. Listen to this shit.

But Charlie, you've got a note that you wanted to read here on air. Yeah. Yes, I do. And it's from, it's from one of my goddesses. It's, it's, it's, it's from, it's from the Natty. And it just says, this is, this is how blessed and perfect my insane life is. Um, my monkey man, my king, my high priest, ninja warlock. I love you violently with the fire of 1000 sons.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom, experience, Jedi, mind powers, amazing humor, and unconditional love. I am truly honored to not walk behind nor in front of you, but by your side. And with a capital C. I don't know why that should be on Alex's show. I don't understand. I, I, he's completely lost control of the interview. Like it's just, it's just nonsense.

It's just allowing Charlie Sheen to be weird in public. Well, yeah, that's what he wants. Yeah. That is him controlling the interview. Yeah, to some extent. If, if, if, if, because if Charlie stopped doing that, if Charlie really just kind of calmed it down and was like, let's talk about the globalists. Alex would be pissed.

Probably. Alex is like, no, the reason I got you onto the show is to be a fucking lunatic cause that's what's going to get people to notice me. And it worked beyond Alex's possible imagination. Um, so in this next clip, we talk a little bit about poetry and, uh, Charlie Sheen has some interesting thoughts about poetry. Also, they got to work on adjectives and. Sure.

Yeah. Sure. Titles. Mm hmm. Jedi mind. And, uh, you know, one of my favorite poets is Eminem, one of the smartest cats alive. He actually. People that inspire me, you know, inspire me to stay violent.

Oof, I don't like that sentence. I do not like that sentence one bit. Eminem inspires me to stay violent. That's what I like in my poet. Uh, and then Alex goes into like, you know, he, uh, said stuff about nine 11. Isn't that cool? Now flash. I mean, I guess it's better than he said.

Eminem inspires him to stay violent instead of being like, one of my favorite poets is a Emily Dickinson. She really inspires me to stay violent. Yeah. I was like, who, um, what poems are you reading? So we got one more clip. Like I said, after a while, Lenny Dykstra comes in and we're not going to listen to any of those nonsense.

Um, but in this clip, uh, Alex makes clear, Charlie Sheen's got a job. And Charlie, you will be back at work Tuesday. I'll be early. I don't sleep. I wait. I know you don't sleep. Sometimes I get texts from you at 3am, uh, your time. You are, you are certainly on fire, my friend.

That's not good. You know, who sends texts at three in the morning, three in the morning, your time, that's people on cocaine. So he may have gone back to work on that Tuesday, uh, in February, but, uh, Charlie, uh, got in trouble, uh, and got fired. His contract was terminated with two and a half men on March 7th, 2011, three days later on March 10th, Charlie announced a nationwide tour called my violent torpedo of truth.

The Detroit opening night show sold out in 18 minutes, but a closer look revealed that at least a thousand of the tickets have been bought by a third party reseller and were being sold at cut rate prices, terribly cut rate prices. On April 2nd, his Detroit show happened, which is the opener of the tour. And it was a mess. His opening act was a standup comedian. He got booed off stage about 20 minutes after that's not a good gig. No, that's not a good gig.

Uh-uh. That and gathering of the juggalos, which spoiler alert that year, Charlie, she hosted, I did not know that those are the two that gigs. I don't want as a standup. I have no interest in that. I knew a guy who, uh, or I, no, I think he might be dead. Uh, the, he went around opening for screech. Like that was his gig.

And it was, he would describe it as, Oh, it's the best gig. I can go to casinos. You have to do 10 minutes. You get paid plenty of money. And very shortly thereafter, he was a party to screeches, violence and such. So. Yeah. I mean, the money part is nice.

If you don't care about all the stuff that comes along with it, but, um, I have to drive around with screech all day. That does not sound fun. Opening for the violent torpedo of truth tour in Detroit, uh, seems equally bad. Yeah. I want to know who that guy, I want to know which comic though. I probably could have figured out, but I didn't want to look into it just in case. Uh, well, not that, but like, even if like saying his name is, it feels shitty.

Yeah. You know, in the same way that talking about the people who are in Charlie Sheen's life who aren't named Lenny Dykstra, right? Feels really shitty, right? Because in some ways, maybe their actions were complicit in like enabling him and stuff like that, but I don't feel, I don't, I don't feel like it's necessary to point a finger at them. No, I, I mean, just the, I mean, I'm more interested and now I'm like, I think I

would take that gig, right? You got to take that gig for the story to open up for Charlie Sheen. Cause maybe it's a great gig. I hope either way, you're opening up for Charlie Sheen losing his fucking mind. I, I would hope what I would like to do is I get that invitation. I say no, but Jordan's perfect for it. And then I come along and I watch and join in booing. Oh man, it'd be so good.

Um, that would be the most satisfying boot off stage of my life. So I'm just trying to track the, the sort of causal relationship between things. Alex has Charlie Sheen on the show to ramble for 40 minutes, like an idiot. Um, and it, which, uh, during 40 minutes, yeah, during which time he calls Chuck Lorre, Chaim, uh, Chaim Levine and, uh, throws very dog-wisely Jewish insults, uh, at him and just acts like a crazy person. Right. And it does end up going viral and it leads to him getting fired.

Uh, and I mean, his behavior after the fact didn't help. Yeah. Like when they were saying they were going to fire him, he insisted he should get a raise instead, sort of like Socrates. Yeah. Um, so, you know, Alex didn't do all of it, but it started this ball down the road. I guess actually probably the having to halt production to go to rehab. Uh, that was probably where it began.

That certainly plays a part in it, but I think a lot of it could have been smoothed out if you didn't go on a national radio show and say those things about Chuck Lorre and then also say he won't do his job. Yeah. I turn his tin cans into gold and stuff like that. I think that you could probably undo the damage that you do to halting production because of your addiction problems. I think you could probably smooth that out, but this is too far.

Well, because this is the reason that he kept going. Probably because this went viral from this because he, this went viral. Now everybody wants to talk to him about the interview that he did and that gave him even more, even a larger platform to say his crazy nonsense. And then Alex Jones goes on the view to publicly defend him, which stokes the fires even further. Yep. So anyway, he gets fired and then almost immediately introduces this tour.

And so he goes on this tour and I want to talk a little bit more about the Detroit show. Yeah. It's such a disaster. Like I said, his opening act gets booed off stage because everyone's like, what the fuck is going on? Right. Cause it was supposed to have a raucous party rock star atmosphere.

And like, I don't want to hear this guy do puns. Yeah. Or there was an audience is turned immediately about 20 minutes after the actual show starts, the booze start being directed at Charlie because he's just rambling a bunch of bullshit. He starts the show off playing like weird video packages and stuff and having his goddesses come out on stage and people are just not fucking into it. They start booing at him about 20 minutes in, which is pretty quick.

That's rude. You would think that as just a celebrity would have a grace period of more than 20, but it turns out you don't. So in response to all the booze, he says, quote, I already got your money, dude, which does not make the crowd happier. No. At one point, she says he's going to, quote, tell some stories about crack. I figured Detroit was a good place to tell some crack stories.

This comment, not surprisingly, does not go over well. Quote show of hands. Who here has tried crack? A few people raised their hands. Quote, I don't do crack anymore, but this is a good fucking night to do some crack. The audience booze. All right.

The about an hour in people start walking out as Charlie composes a tweet on stage. Later, Charlie plays a rap track he made with Snoop Dogg. They had said that Snoop would be there, but he was a no show because he was performing at the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards that night. Just a tragic. How far, how far away was that from Detroit? It was in Los Angeles. So he wasn't going to be able to make it even after the show was taped.

No. Okay. No. And so the sort of elephant in the room and the thing that we're not, we've not really addressed too much is that in 2015, Charlie Sheen came out and publicly acknowledged that he was HIV positive. And that's right. And that a lot of the stuff about the chaos in his life, I believe he's traced

some of it towards like there being a parallel path of some of that, like dealing with the diagnosis and stuff like that. His personal life and all that, the, the stuff, uh, as it relates to that, I don't really want to touch. Right. I feel, I feel very weird talking about any of that. Uh, I don't, I don't know. I, you know, you read about people's personal private lives and you hear

something that's pretty messed up and you hear their side of it. I don't, I just don't want to engage with it. It's not really important for our show, but when he was coming out and publicly talking about that, he would go on to claim that the entire episode of his, uh, Tigerblood stuff, the, uh, I have poetry coming out of my fingers, Vatican assassins, nonsense. It was all about Roy rage and quote, speaking to the ABC news, good morning, America, Sheen said of this period in his life, quote, it's fun to kind of

watch sometimes, but also it's just a little cringible. It's like, dude, what the hell was that? I was doing way too much testosterone cream, trying to get the old libido up. He added quote, it metabolizes into basically a Roy rage. That whole odyssey, that was basically an accidental Roy rage. I mean, is that possible? I doubt it. It doesn't feel like a thing.

I feel like he's probably doing a ton of coke. Yeah, I feel like that feels right. Yeah, but also he probably was doing this testosterone. Yeah. And now the reason that I want to just leave with that or sort of, I mean, at the same time, that almost makes as much sense because you see a guy like him, uh, you know, aging, you can see, uh, his, his fame and the, all the shit that he's going through and all of that.

And apparently he's got, uh, multiple porn stars around him at all the time with Brooke there, Brooke Shields. Is that who? No, Brooke Mueller. Brooke Mueller, I think it's third wife. Uh, and yeah, I can, I can definitely see the, uh, expectations that he would place upon himself. And then of course the insecurity and all of that stuff.

Like he's, he's trying to turn himself into far more of a man. The, the man that he projects himself to be, when you start using all this language of like, uh, you know, I hate to keep using tiger blood, but sort of the, I think it's the title of the era in his life, certainly the tiger blood years, um, that is projecting an image of masculinity that a normal person would, it would be impossible to live up to, especially someone who's like 50, 55, 60, I don't know how old he is, he was probably 50. Anyway, the other thing that I want to point out is that maybe one of the

reasons that Alex Jones doesn't want to necessarily publicly talk so much about them being friends, although I don't agree with your, your assessment that he has thrown him under the bus. I'm not as, wait, what do you mean? You said, you were suggesting at the beginning of the show that they're not like as good a friends anymore or anything like that. Right. Cause he does still bring him up from time to time.

Okay. But like the reason that I think he doesn't go around and like flaunt that like I had Charlie Sheen on and that caused all this was because of how negatively it all played out. And because now in present day, he's blaming it on artificial testosterone boosters, which is Alex Jones's main business. That's a good point. I think that if Charlie Sheen is talking about how cringy it is to look

back at this period of his life because of testosterone products, giving him Royd rage, that kind of undercut super male vitality to a certain extent, or at least, um, indicates that I came, maybe Alex's behavior is due to that sort of thing too. Right. And I think the parallels are shockingly easy to trace. Um, so anyway, I, I, I think that this is an interesting piece of Alex Jones's history.

Um, it, uh, was, I think this is a little more uncomfortable to listen to than I expected it to be. You know, I, I really, like this reminds me of where we were whenever all of this stuff was happening. And I just remember such an innocent time. I just, I just remember. I couldn't, I couldn't partake in that. No.

Like I feel the same way right now. Like I want to, I want to have the distance to start to find this funny again, but this really just makes me feel. Burning sympathy. Yeah. Like this is a man destroying himself. And the fact that a lot of people laughed at him about it is like at the same time he's a fucking dumb ass celebrity.

You can go, you know, who can die? I don't, I don't give a shit. Hey, you need to be intellectually fair. You and I both got a good laugh out of the, the first one's a piss test. The next one's going in your mouth. That's pretty great. Cause that is pretty great. That's a good line.

That's a good line. Yeah. That would have been a great line for the Detroit show. That would have been the next one's going in your mouth and it won't get you high. Yeah. That one's, that one's good. That's a keeper. I like that one.

Yeah. That would not have got the opening act boot off stage. That's a solid bit. So anyway, this has been fun. Uh, but, uh, in the end also ultimately uncomfortable and tragic. Anyway, knowledge fight. Yeah. That's on our, that's our tagline.

Yeah. Uncomfortable and tragic. Um, pretty fun though. Thank you all for listening. If you'd like more of the show, you can find it at knowledge fight.com. Uh, you can go to, uh, what? You could go to iTunes. Can you go to Twitter?

Yep. Knowledge underscore fight on Twitter. Also, we're on Facebook. Uh, and we are doing the March Madness bracket. You can vote on the religious, uh, sound bites that we had today, uh, in the Facebook group, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Um, and then I suppose, uh, I mean, there's really only, one person today, I think I know who you're going to say.

Uh, do you? I think I do. Cause go fuck yourself, Lenny Dykstra. I had a hunch it was going to be nails. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you.