Knowledge Fight - #147: Aaron Russo

Episode Date: April 9, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about a very important 2006 interview Alex Jones did with "movie producer turned conspiracy theorist" Aaron Russo. This interview is a very large piece of Alex's mythology, and upon closer analysis, it is actually a document that may offer a troubling insight into Alex himself.

indian chances you're on the air thanks for holding well i like some of your phone call a huge fan i love your work i love you hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight i'm dan i'm jordan we're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about alex jones indeed we are dan uh... let me ask you a question yeah uh... now i'm not gonna ask you a question about the whole israel palestine situation that's a good that's good that it's been it's been ignored a great deal in the news from what i've heard which is very little i've seen it i've

seen some articles about it but yeah probably not not as many as i feel like should be happening yeah i don't disagree with that so would you say that i know a lot about the real palestine situation comparatively yeah and then i know less than you so in reverse though if you're going to use that same logic to apply to our show i know a lot about alex jones i don't know anything about alex jones and i know that was a circuitous route it is it is apologize and i know a lot about how we're recording this uh... on saturday is very different because i've got to watch wrestle mania on sunday yeah yeah

and uh... of course nxt takeover new orleans tonight very exciting yep i really thrilled to see what uh... kind of hijinks these uh... these folks pull out although it is the potential to be incredibly disappointing we'll see every single wrestling pay-per-view that you ever told me about has either been immensely disappointing or yeah it's all right yeah basically you have never been like this was amazing it's always been the issue i don't build up is so much better for you than the actual product well that's because i like the storyline aspects of it right more than i like the execution

i mean i like the the like the actual uh... in-ring storytelling and the athleticism of it don't get me wrong i'm not sitting on that but i like imagining what could happen more than i like the actual and then when the uh... when the probability wave function collapses into one future you get disappointed yeah and i don't really like wrestling as much as people may think but be that as it may all right all right the guy who's about to watch seven hours of wrestling tomorrow doesn't like wrestling as much as people i mean i'm gonna be playing zelda while i

do it yeah it's not writing articles about alex jones while i watch all right don't don't i'm gonna be working um... anyway speaking of working uh... today i'd put some work in uh... on this show because as we're recording this on saturday there's not a lot of material to cover from uh... you know since we recorded on thursday right uh... thursday show was a disaster and then friday uh... it was basically a best of episode again uh... he had paul joseph watson in studio playing the hit video but he was

he was hosting for a bit and they played the really long uh... video that alex made when he went out to ted new jents farm great and i'm not watching this great yeah let that one go so friday was kind of like a and there's no show on saturday for us to go over as always i was you know it's a it's a classic situation where you got a scramble got to try and figure something out of course and so i remembered that back in 2006 okay why is that so crazy i just find that you say

uh... it was very difficult so i remembered in 2006 as though this is a normal train of thought for somebody to go down well i'm i'm getting particularly interested in some of like the more formative experiences of alex jones's career okay and i remember that one of the biggest ones was an interview he did with a guy named erin russo and uh... i don't know if you know who that is nope but alex has sort of used it as a foundation of a lot of his narratives and i realized hey maybe we should go take a look at that and see what it looks

like through our eyes okay so i went back and that's an hour long interview there's a lot of stuff about 9-11 that i've just sort of left out i wish you wouldn't there's a lot of a lot of interesting things to say on 9-11 but it's it's it's all the standard 9-11 truth kind of stuff oh okay why won't they tell us about building seven all right and it's not it that's not all that fun to talk about anyway erin russo let me tell you about this general i think it was an inside job okay yeah you do yeah okay oh yeah i don't know what you mean by inside job

exactly i think it's just more fun if you think it's an inside job whether or not whether or not that even has a it's more fun until you define what you mean by inside job oh yeah then it's then it's trouble all the way it's time to get slippery then you might as well just write a nice little fiction like i don't think it was perpetrated by the government i do think that uh cheney set the whole thing up in a in a zodiac style uh situation no i wasn't saying zodiac i was talking seven okay see that's what i think is going on dick cheney he was kevin spacey and

kevin spacey from seven okay he is punishing america for their sins so that is one of the deadly sins what was that that would avarice uh no i was just gonna go with a building big buildings too big that's not one of the i'm pretty sure that's one of the seven that is not one of the building was too tall that's a pride seven deadly sins that could be pride it could be pride you could say that anyway right um erin russo yes gentleman who used to be he's guilty of sloth well

no maybe since 2007 because he's dead but see there you go pretty lazy since death yeah i'd say um so he used to be a uh hollywood producer uh that's sort of his claim to fame and he came out uh before then as uh came to prominence as a producer for bet middler uh in nineteen seems like a nice guy in 1978 he won a prime time emmy for outstanding special comedy variety or music for his work on bet middler old redhead is back or old red hair is back now that that is a seminal uh special for me so that i remember

watching that growing up sure just on a loop that's all bet middler you have done it again that's the one award that he has in his imdb credits right to his name although he did also produce trading places which is really it's a great movie that's a an amazing movie uh so you produced that but the rest of his resume i would call ify uh it includes the 1986 joe piscopo classic wise guys now hold on yeah it's not good not good did he do the one with uh uh michael keaton where it was the

it was a dangerously johnny dangerously no oh damn it because then i would really respect but he also did the 1989 cheech marin but not tommy chong stoner movie rude awakening which he also co-directed oh boy i don't know if you know the plot of that one but it's cheech marin and someone who is not tommy john playing hippies who have uh retreated to the woods for years and then they come back to society to find that all their old hippie friends are now yippies oh no it's a classic classic fish out of

watertail exactly um so in 19 how was the direction though i don't know i haven't seen it i think we're gonna have to take a look i want to see how he places his uh camera to review scores on imdb are not positive no they're not i think it's like a 4.5 out of 10 or something but he made seven for directing sure sure seven generously um in 1991 he made a bit of a pivot in his career and became a a bit political and he made a film so he was a 9-11 truth or way too soon this wasn't a 9-11 necessarily but he made what i would call

film in quotes uh called mad as hell which i could not make more than 10 minutes into when i tried to watch it earlier all right i thought it was just going to be one of these shitty documentaries that people like alex jones and his crew make uh but it appears to be more like a one-man show uh okay that's uh being done by someone who has the charisma and the bitterness of a 15-year open miker great great great great great great it's him out on a stage let's definitely not name any names of those people that we know no but i will play you a little clip

from mad as hell to give you a taste of what kind of energy he was bringing to the table all right 51 percent the majority can take away the rights of 49 percent the minority that's not freedom who's ever in office determines burning is this alex's burning impression like a ping-pong world bouncing back and forth back and forth one says abortion's legal one says it's not one says gun control another says no taxes are too high taxes are too low balance the budget in seven years five years nine years three years one year

18 years affirmative action no affirmative action speed limit 55 75 it's safer it's not safe well it's insanity wait there is why are people applauding i told you it's like a one-man show it's a live thing yeah but i mean but even if it is a live thing why why are people applauding there's an applause sign he's in a small theater and it's just like it's like that's a bit i mean yeah yeah clearly the problem is it doesn't go anywhere or have any resolution to it no and most of those things aren't things or even have a

point of view attached to it and most of those things that he brings up aren't voted on in public elections and it's i don't i don't understand how any of the things he listed are things where the majority infringes on the rights of the minority no i i especially speed limits i i guess well you got to throw speed limits in there though yeah that's the real applause line so he generally has had a history of just being his that entire thing was just like some people say one thing

and other people they say a different thing right that was it it's there's no there's nothing to it he doesn't even draw a conclusion from it or or have a point of view on it he's just observing that people disagree on stuff there's no prescriptive quality no it's just he couldn't even be like maybe we should have two separate countries like at least there's a thought there a dumb one but at least there's a thought and let me say that i have to cop to the fact that i had to turn it off because i was so bored yeah that's awful he may

prescribe a solution at some point right but i did not get to it so in two thousand now if you saw my movie where chinch baron goes into the woods we go into the woods it's true that's a great that's a great end for that uh one-man show so then in 2006 russo wrote and directed a documentary called america freedom to fascism which is a foundational piece of alex jones's philosophy alex sold it on the info wars store he references it all the time i did not know that he claims in the film uh or he claims that the film had its

international premiere to packed audiences quote during the can film festival the during part is very different i'm gonna read to you from the new york times the film was not on the program it can however not even for screenings made under the festival's ages uh without being in the competition mr russo the film's director writer and producer just set up an inflatable screen on a beach photographs posted at one of mr russo's websites depict an audience of fewer than 50 people spread out on a platform on the sand

i love that yeah that is guerrilla filmmaking right it's do it yourself kind of the shit i'm i'm loving it i respect that more than a lot of the people who were in the can film festival there's a there's a bit of hustle to it but it's also like that shitty marketing thing or it's like a debut during can like i know i know that's that's fun yeah um the film itself is just a mishmash of all sorts of conspiracy bullshit but it's mostly about how the federal income tax is bullshit it always comes back to that doesn't it and how it's illegal these guys just don't like a what a quarter of their paycheck going

somewhere else yeah they just don't get it yeah in order to make his arguments he engages in exactly the same sort of behaviors that we saw alex do in endgame he fabricates quotes take sentence fragments out of context in order to make quotes that appear to say something but in context mean the exact opposite he treats conjecture in hearsay is the same thing as facts and just makes up sources uh one thing uh that he never brings up in his documentary work or in this interview with alex jones that we're about to listen to

is that in 2006 when he was making anti-tax documentaries and making sensational claims boy i feel like he is committed a crime of tax fraud or something like that he has more than two million dollars there it is yeah there we go there it is thank you very much he kind of has a vested interest maybe a little bit so uh we will get to this interview and then along the way we'll learn a little bit more about uh Aaron Russo but it's important to know those sorts of facts up front uh yeah to give you a little bit of a

flavor of where this guy's coming from like maybe Scientology is really just about L Ron Hubbard not wanting to pay the enormous amount of taxes he owed on his books possibly could be a little to do with that so here's the first clip where uh Russo talks a little bit about his past and tells a dubious story in the late 80s i was a pretty big silver trader and gold trader and uh i don't even have to tell the story on tape before uh i was a pretty big silver and gold trader and um the uh i took and i always paid my taxes

and i took what was illegal tax deduction on my silver trades and uh a few years later i think it was 88 or 89 or something the uh iris claimed that what i did and other people did as well was now illegal we couldn't do it anymore but they made it retroactive can't do that so we're even retroactive it was legal then we do i did what was legal yeah but it's now we're making it illegal retroactively no that's against the law that's not good so y'all was 600 or 800 thousand dollars for what it was legal how could you make something retroactive

change the law backwards in time it makes no sense well we're doing it and so everybody said they can't do that so he went to court a class action lawsuit and the judge agreed with the IRS and said they could do it retroactively and that's when i knew that there was something wrong in america with the iris in the system sure dan so listening to that claim uh i can clearly uh surmise that he is telling the truth so far he has become nothing but a trustworthy man to me anyone who works with joker piss capo has the highest rating of honesty there's no

doubt uh now i'm sure that you have done research on this claim and you will absolutely back it up that he is correct well x post facto laws uh in terms of like you making something illegal that wasn't illegal before have always been uh illegal you can't do that in terms of criminal or civil cases and stuff like that uh in terms of those sorts of laws and most of the arguments that have been made or people have brought cases up about this is like sex offender registries

where people have made the argument that when it became required to register as a sex offender that's adding punitive consequences on that didn't exist before and courts have consistently been like no yeah no yeah i'm gonna go no yeah that's not an extra punishment it's uh i don't know anyway the the issue is that with tax stuff you can do x post facto laws really but typically speaking that's just because of the way a government works right so let's say we have a tax law that ends up getting passed at x point during the year

generally speaking what they will do is back date it to the beginning of the fiscal year so it's retroactive to the beginning of the year right that is the only thing it can't go too far right there's grievous uh circumstances wherein like oh yeah we're gonna make this back 20 years that would never fly okay that would never fly so this is from the congressional research service quote any retroactive tax legislation found to be uh a criminal penalty will likely be struck down as violation of the x post facto clause

which the supreme court has done on at least one occasion in extremely rare circumstances tax legislation that seems to target certain taxpayers might raise concerns under the equal protection guarantees of the fifth amendment finally it might also be asked whether such legislation is an unconstitutional bill of attainer when there do not appear to be any instances of this occurring it seems possible that a retroactive tax legislation could depending on its specifics meet the criteria to be a bill of attainer

so those are the only circumstances wherein uh you know you'd have uh crimes being done by uh by uh retroactive tax right right and so his story doesn't check out uh all that well i don't necessarily believe the line that he's spitting i think it's probably a thing where it was like it's back dated to the beginning of this fiscal year and he's like ah shit yeah i gotta pay a bunch more than i wanted to pay exactly i'm going to create a mythology out of this well whatever reality it's just kind of how the tax code works whenever he said um

i've never told this story before back in the 80s and 90s that was a big gold and silver trailer trader and uh i always paid my taxes that's that alex jones moment where you're like ah you already said that which kind of means that you know that you didn't right right i have to preload yeah exactly um before i tell you this long winded fictional story let me start by saying i always paid my taxes that's just a given he he well i mean he had a two million dollar tax lien in 2006 but uh so that that begs some questions

a little bit um so whether or not he pays his taxes is a irrelevant issue to this next clip where he explains that he doesn't believe in taxes but he's not going to tell people not to pay their taxes well that's a good legal gray area right there you don't advise people to not pay and i do the same thing people say well you're saying it's a scam but you're saying go ahead and pay it and i like the way you summed it up well it's really fairly simple i mean uh since making that movie you know many people come to me and ask me whether

they should pay their income taxes or not you know and i never advise people not to pay and the reason i i tell them i said look i've done a lot of research there isn't the supreme court has ruled that the irs has no authority the 16th amendment did not give the iris the authority to tax your labor and your wages that's a fact no the supreme court is the law of the land you know and the and the iris is not trump the supreme court however that being the case the fact is if the mafia would come to you and say we want two thousand dollars a month that we're

going to hurt you i would not advise you not to pay them because you may get hurt by not paying them whether it's legal or not doesn't necessarily matter okay interesting now i'd like to read you literally the 16th amendment all right quote the congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes from whatever source derived not labor without a pro apportionment among the several states and without regard to any census or enumeration i would argue that taxes on incomes from whatever source derived doesn't include your labor because that would be your income yeah what source is

that though i don't know but so there's a lot of people who have tried in the years to call out uh and claim that there's there's problems with the 16th amendment's ratification one of them is that ohio wasn't a state when it was ratified oh well then ohio is not uh subject to the rules but at the time you would have needed 36 states to ratify it to pass as an amendment and they had 41 so it really doesn't matter but you throw ohio in there yeah then you have 40 out of yeah see there you go i mean that that's

but that's bunk you have to do the whole thing over again so every time we get a new state it has to be a do-over on all of our amendment everybody knows that that's that's the 48th amendment yeah the do-over amendment let's reconsider it bring it back up and so one of the most prominent anti-tax petitioners uh who operated on 16th amendment concerns was a guy by the name of william j benson um he wrote a book called the like the biggest law that never was or something like that he's another one of these guys kind of well it's an amendment not really a law

sure uh he's one of these guys who is sort of like in the urwin shiff mold of like writing books that say you don't have to pay taxes it's really dangerous uh his sort of rhetoric but his argument was that the text of the amendments that were ratified in different states varied in so much as the spelling of words differing capitalization and stuff like that hey all caps isn't your real human being right it's that all caps is your legal entity and i've gotten rid of all caps right so he may i'm not mf doom he made the argument that because of these capitalization and punctuation

differences that the ratification of the 16th amendment was uh it was null and void see and now we learn children why the semicolon is so important absolutely if they use if they had used the semicolon yeah we would have to pay taxes but they didn't yeah so um that was considered back during the ratification times even uh and it was a criticism that they they took uh and were like this doesn't matter and so that was already ruled on in terms of like that being a uh valid reason uh to think that income tax was not legal the ruling was essentially dude have you read this writing they used commas all over the fucking place back then their f's were s's i don't know what these

people were talking about it's crazy they look at that shit you can't hold them accountable for it so based on this stupid argument uh he stopped paying his taxes and naturally he eventually was convicted of tax evasion and failure willful failure to file tax returns uh for over a hundred thousand dollars of unreported income okay on december 17th 2007 the united states district court for the northern district of illinois ruled that benson's non ratification argument constituted a quote fraud perpetrated by benson uh that had quote caused needless confusion in a waste of the consumers and the irs's time and resources i like it yeah so he he he got sentenced for being a douchebag well because this argument has already been dealt with and if you're using

that as your legal uh backing for your i don't want to pay my taxes shit you're doing that in full awareness that this question has been settled that and so this stuff like this this stuff legitimately that erin russo is peddling on the show is is is demonstrably not true and has been dealt with in the courts over and over and over again to the point where people who have these anti-tax arguments they sound really good until you look into the actual details and then you realize that people keep going to court for this stuff and they lose every time it usually happens yeah they lose every time like those remind me so much of that kind of uh uh what like the the wealth gospel preachers that go on tv where it's like oh if you just give us a little bit of money your

life will be blessed and he's selling his book under the same premise but if you do what he says when you buy his book you just wind up going to jail for it uh basically and that was actually even addressed in the uh in the court oh yeah about how like he's perpet he's perpetrating a scam on people in such a way that is dangerous to them and he knows he he knows or has reason to know that that's what he's doing right so there's one case a guy named uh Lloyd Long who always gets referenced as like he went to court and he made the argument that Lloyd Long yeah where do these people come from I don't know double L um so he ended up winning a court case uh it was one of the only ones the tax protesters reference all right um but there's a lot of problems with this because

he ended up losing the civil case that was attached to it and ended up still being liable to pay all the taxes that he hadn't paid right but he won a case where it was a court a jury case and all they did was prove or they decided that he wasn't willfully breaking the law and so they they didn't find him guilty of intentional they found him guilty of stupidity basically yes that that's long and short of it right and uh subsequent attempts to use that as precedent have been like oh good god no and so like all of this stuff is so crazy I like I like the idea of using that as precedent too is just like well that guy was stupid right what do you think I'm not yeah come on man that's more or less the holy grail of uh these uh tax protesters nonsense arguments um so in this

next clip uh we already got a little bit of a taste of this of uh Russo in his one-man show that we listen to a bit right the idea that like majority well some people pay taxes and other people don't well like the majority sometimes you do and sometimes you don't okay I'm I'm referring more to the majority rule aspect right and he's going to get into that but before he does he's got to do his best impression of uh I don't know college sophomores sitting around smoking a joint uh talking politics all right all right here we go the the American people are living in a matrix they don't understand the truth of how things are working in this country you know and let me give you an example of what I'm talking about please do the very

fact is that if you if you ask a hundred people on the street what kind of government is America supposed to be 99% of them will tell you a democracy America's supposed to be a democracy but that's a lie that's an illusion the word democracy is not written into the constitution one time it's not in the book of rights okay it's not in the declaration of independence the founding fathers hated the idea of a democracy which is why they created the representation of the republic and I agree with them because in a democracy 51% of the people control 49% of the people if you're part of the 49% you're not free America was found there's a constitutional republic and in that constitutional republic that we have 99% of

the people can't take away the rights of 1% you have your rights because you were born with them you have god given human rights I got bad news about republics really also I really don't like this whole you have rights because god gave them to you think I mean if you want to say he's using that metaphorically it's fine I know the idea of intrinsic human rights which I'm I support but you I understand I understand where you're coming from in a republic you could still have the representatives 51% of them overruling I don't understand I don't understand what you're talking about like a representative are you saying are you saying that there have been multiple decisions in the senate where it was a 59 51 to 49 tons of them oh crazy took away people's

rights they took away the rights also supreme court decisions could go five to four there's certainly instances that you mean where they steal elections right I mean or even like if you go back I know I have harped on this a little bit before but like I can't remember what year it was exactly but it's certainly in the mid to later 1900s there was a supreme court decision that upheld that women couldn't work as bartenders in bars that weren't owned by a male relative yeah but that just makes sense right but that's taking away a right based on majority rule in a supreme court decision you know but god didn't give you the right to work at a bar that's true if you're a woman that's not an intrinsic human right dad well if you're a man it is there you go if you're

a woman no well because women have one less rib or something I don't know I don't know how god works like that and they bleed they're weak I don't know that's right yeah I don't know I don't understand because like I don't want to get a drink from anything that bleeds once a month and doesn't die right like that's the old saying any of his complaints about the majority rule aspect of a democracy is exactly the same as arguments that could be levied against a majority rule in a republic now be that as it is an argument against any majority rule whatsoever which is an argument against against representation yeah it's an argument against government entirely by anything other than a fascist dictator that stealthily might be what's being advocated yeah pretty much

in spirit I think a lot of these libertarian folk end up accidentally advocating for exactly that under the fashion under the pretense of individual nothing is more individually free than having one guy tell you what to do right that's individual freedom Dan right um but I mean like the the I don't I don't even know how to I don't even know how to deal with that kind of nonsense because like you couldn't you couldn't vote like let's say you have a right to employment or whatever you have the right to seek employment okay as a person who lives in the united states yeah God gave us that one now let's say 50% 51% of the public came out to vote and we're like all right you can't look for work anymore right that wouldn't fly I don't know I mean like even gun even gun

stuff you couldn't vote on that no one there's no way that would fly no there's a massive majority for gun control and we still can't get it abortion is not an issue that would be on a ballot and get get passed no there would be but there's a massive majority that wants abortion unrestricted right in the same way so like all of this all of this just is is empty to me it's just his words are empty and when you consider he is not some kind of like judicial scholar he's not a professor he's a guy who was bet middler's manager well yeah and then directed and produced a cheech marin yeah but don't you know that bet middler only hires the greatest legal minds to assist her on anything I could be the PA has argued multiple courses in the supreme court

okay yeah I did not know that that's now that now now she gets coffee um so in this next clip we learned that the new world order is actually democracy what what but you guys the most intelligent people what from a government America is supposed to be they'll say democracy because that's that's that's that they've been brainwashed they've been scyopt into believing that they believe that we're in iraq they believe we're in iraq to promote democracy the word democracy you hear george boys saying democracy means freedom real quick um i'll tell you who didn't believe that liberals in 2002 2003 this is erin russo in 2006 this is already a tired line of rhetoric based on like protests that i was involved in in columbia missouri that i mean had to have been much bigger in

other cities but like i experienced this that these words of like this democracy thing is a sham this argument is is nonsense yeah is something that was very uh well traveled territory for people on the other side from people like um these guys yeah pretty much no democracy equals new world order democracy equals slavery where democracy is not synonymous with freedom it's the opposite of freedom if the united states so what's synonymous with freedom if the united states is a republic in it in the way he's saying it and uh you know democracy is slavery why did we have slavery for a really fucking long time back when the original founders of our republic were the ones who were literally ruling the place well why is that the case well god gave them different rights

right oh yeah there you go god given rights democracy is the worst form of government you can have it's the majority rule and the government can tell you exactly what they want to tell you to do because the majority wants it i don't care what the majority wants i live my life as i choose and if i don't commit violence or fraud against another human being i can live my life as i wish so you can't commit fraud right i got bad news about the show you're explain to me why it is they always pick the ones they're doing well to be fair that's a pretty consistent lib or a libertarian uh position position because it's that like if i commit violence against you then i am encroaching on your rights if i steal something from you i'm

encroaching on your right to property and if i commit fraud against you i'm stealing from you through uh wordcraft and or whatever simultaneously they hold the belief that it was always out of self-defense right that shit was mine to begin with right and it's on you to laze fair man come on suck it up nope totally yeah it's all they tend to not give a shit when it comes down to their behavior is really all they do it's a big old let's play both sides of this coin yeah of a mentality yep so but also like it legitimately he's saying there at the end i can't commit fraud but otherwise i can do whatever i want right you're committing fraud yeah you just as he's talking you just said that the 16th amendment doesn't apply to the ability for the government to collect

taxes right just because they use the irs now as an as a government entity to do that does not mean that the 16th amendment is somehow being violated and courts have consistently ruled on this this is like one of those that's a fraud that's a fraud this is like one of those things where a guy is trying to use the insanity defense and before he actually goes to trial he's trying to act it up as he's all crazy dude like that's exactly like he's doing the stupidity defense but he's just throwing it out there like see look how dumb i am that's what erwin you can't say this was willful i'm stupid look at this interview that's what erwin schiff tried to do at the uh like in one of his last appeals uh he was trying to say that he suffered from a delusion that he believed

that he was the only person who could interpret tax law correctly all right i like it this got blown i'm loving it this got blown up in his face because one of his co-defendants in the case sent out an email to their supporters saying that we hate to have to use this kind of a defense but so wait what it was like a it was a hail mary kind of thing to try and get him out of prison you can't email the invalidation of your defense you think that it's only going to your supporters and they're the only ones who are gonna see it but that's not how that works nope oh boy nope so anyway that's kind of funny that's where that's where your brain now he should get he should have gotten off for being too stupid wow if you send an email like that that's the best evidence for

your too stupid to be willing to send it it was the other uh co co-defendant well then throw the book they also went to prison yeah i would have guessed um so in this next clip uh hey what do you know uh this uh this fucking erin russo commits another fraud on error great what happens is now the government borrows money from them to fund the government and the government says well we have to pay these people interest he's talking about the federal having to pay them interest let's impose a tax on the American people which never existed before to pay the interest of the bankers in fact in 1980 ronald reagan said not one red cent uh of your income tax money goes from the country all goes to phone reserve well go with what that was the grace commission report

that said that uh or not one nickel goes to the infrastructure the country so that's fun um what do you know about the grace report the grace commission report i don't know ronald reagan put through i don't know i know it's almost certainly stupid um so this is if it's if it's associated with ronald reagan it would uh definitely not be uh prosecuted for willful anything um erin russo and alex jones in that clip both are perpetuating an idea that uh in the report they found and reagan has said that none of your income tax money goes to paying uh any programs or anything it all goes to paying off interest to these bankers these international bankers and the federal reserve oh yeah the federal money from exactly yeah so i'll read the quote to

you from the report because i read way too much on this ronald reagan's voice i can't do that come on i don't know how to do impressions give it a shot man see nope not good i like it um so here's the quote from the report that they're misusing quote with two-thirds of everyone's personal income tax wasted or not collected 100 of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt and by federal government contributions to transfer payments in other words all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services that taxpayers expect from their government now it's important that what is actually being said there is more to the effect of everything is getting wasted as you see that at the beginning

there two-thirds of everyone's personal income tax wasted or not collected and it's important to consider what reagan considered wasting of tax money uh because that's a very important context human beings so uh building roads uh so this is not remembering anything this is everything except jelly beans everything except jelly beans it's not a waste yeah so this is not saying what russo's claim gets saying but it is good that your taxpayer money is uh illegally funding uh i i read so um the grace commission which itself cost 75 million dollars uh found that there was 424 billion dollars of waste in government spending uh that this quote uh that russo extract doesn't take into account what it does what it does not take into account uh is that uh that

number is cited in the report now what's the waste what uh what sort of recommendations did this commission come out with i read the cbo the congressional budget office assessment of the i didn't want to read the entire commission reports it's like 600 fucking pages long or something like that no way and there's no way erin russo or alex jones read that either too long but the cbo assessment found uh and listed off a bunch of the things that uh the uh the grace commission considered waste and was part of that 424 billion dollars they could just get away with the department of the interior no that's that's more the energy department that's ron paul stuff the uh state department clearly we're in that world again so here's some of the suggestions they had

reduce food stamp child nutrition overlap oh i can't have that consolidate student loan programs sell unneeded public land modify federal employees health benefit program now you kind of get the sense that some of those are probably code how are you going to save money modifying the federal employees health care benefit oh you're gonna modify it you're gonna get rid of a lot of i can't imagine that you're just gonna modify consolidating student loan programs probably let's pinch these kids or you're gonna modify them right modify it yeah you're just gonna put them together reduce civil service retirement benefits oh you can't let them have that repeal or modify davis bacon act which is a 1931 united states federal law that establishes the requirement for paying

the locally prevailing wages for public works progress for laborers and mechanics great get rid of that great yeah also repeat under bid repeal or modify wash healy public contract act which establishes minimum wage maximum hours and safety and health standards for workers on contracts in excess of ten thousand dollars for the manufacturing or furnishing of materials supplies articles or equipment to the u.s. government so again it's another one of those let's cut corners by yeah people yeah yeah yeah because it's also for contracts over ten thousand dollars so you can reasonably assume that the people who are getting those larger contracts could probably absorb some of that you know but it'll be passed down to the individual laborers

they're getting fucked of course so also phase out v a health care facility construction oh well you gotta get rid of those get rid of the benefits for the uh v a you can't have that now just put them in a public hospital they can take care of they fight and die for our country which you find to be so important but yeah but when they're done they're done right care about them after that also restrict federal employee disability benefits well and what if they get hurt then we'd have to pay for it that's bullshit if we get rid of those benefits they won't get hurt that's an airtight argument dan reduce they just don't have a financial incentive not to get hurt reduce paid annual leave benefits for federal employees where are they going make them work

more where they going fuck it where do you need to go come on man from the new york times i read an article from 1984 while this was going on it says quote one of the reason it's not possible at least at this stage to calculate actual or likely total savings from the commission's work is that many of these ideas were already under consideration so 75 million dollars was spent to end up with a lot of conclusions that reagan and his shithead friends already kind of wanted just to give rationalization to it and the things that you see in it are largely get rid of helping programs yeah so the idea well that's what the taxpayers don't want to see their money go towards no but don't you understand this elaborate fraud that is against libertarian ideas that Aaron Russo

is perpetuating with the help very complicit help of alex jones is this idea that all of your income tax it just goes to pay off the interest on federal debts when that's not the case this report he's using it goes to pay your friends right exactly yeah that report explicitly doesn't say that it's fucking bullshit anyway i'm furious about that yeah well you know we all need to recognize reagan was one of our great presidents sitting on the hill speech one of them is a shining city it was on that hill and the only way to get up on top of that hill is to stand on top of the dead corpses of the poor yeah everybody knows this the grace commission report is like it's it being used in this context is infuriating if you care about people and if you care about the truth right if

all you care about is trying to push bogus anti tax anti federal reserve narratives it's mana from heaven because it's really easy to misrepresent oh yeah ain't nobody gonna read that 600 pages not it it's not just easy to misrepresent even if you follow up on it you're like well yeah these are great ideas you know like that kind of a thing of course of course you want to use the report that says fuck over the poor and be like see they're fucking over the poor yeah so in this next clip they talk about how evil it is that taxes are just taken out of your check oh they're yeah you should have to write them a letter every time indeed and so now that you've been taking control of the tax the the tax payment itself i mean we really like you're a slave they're taking

it right there when you make it exactly they don't even trust the public enough to send them a check right so they take that automatically because they know people aren't going to want to pay it no shit that's my response to that no fucking shit yeah do you understand how difficult it would be to operate uh any sort of organization with just like yeah good faith you guys will take care of it like the massive number of people like people who are like alex or like erin rousseau who just like would destroy with uh let's see if i go away with this even the people and then when i'm even when the people are filling out their tax returns there's still a shit ton of like i bet if i just claim that i have a child nobody's gonna ask they can't look into that yeah come on what are

you guys gonna do show up at my house i had a home birth hey but but see like the other thing too is that like if you had that system in place where it's on you to send in your taxes you would end up creating a much larger tax system right because then you'd have to have tons of investigators you'd have to have tons of people who go out and like hunt people down for not paying their taxes yeah but we could afford it if we didn't have to pay them minimum wage or take care of their benefits see it all makes sense at the end of the day have roving tax collectors breaking six dollars an hour and then you're good what he's at zero government waste what he's accidentally advocating for is the diametric opposite of what he wants he wants a smaller tax system and that would create a huge

tax system but these are all that would lead to audits having to happen for almost everybody on a regular basis yeah because they i guess they just don't want to pay these yeah exactly just say you don't want to pay taxes i mean they are yeah that's true it's just the stupid intellectualizing of it right goes back to these ideas that are bogus that are misrepresenting actual cases it's so much of the christian response to evolution like whenever they like if you go to the creation museum it's not just like well we reject their science it's like their science is wrong haha we fooled you yeah they thought they knew science with their doing it and we can just we lived at the same time as dinosaurs you saw the Flintstones yeah there we go so god jordan are you ready for this

to take a huge turn i i'm not because i really think that every time somebody with the southern accents says the word slave they should have to pay a dollar fair i think that's a reasonable thing reduce government waste exactly um so in the next clip everything i'll pay somebody minimum wage to go around and collect dollars from people in the south saying the word slave sure uh everything changes in this next clip you we've talked a lot about taxes up till this point yes and now everything changes we get back to the new i had a friend nick rockerfella okay who's one of the rockerfella family all right and he uh uh when i was running for governor in Nevada he came to me introduced himself to me through an attorney and uh we became friends

we started talking about things and um i learned an awful lot from mr rockerfella and one of the things that we used to talk about was the ultimate plan of the banking industry what they wanted to accomplish so what do you think about that my friend well i mean the rockerfella was clearly recruiting him for the globalists and this is a this is while he's running for governor correct ah see now alex is going to correctly call him out on his bullshit and he's gonna say no you were recruited by the globalists what do you have to say about that erin erin you have tried to take over through globalist means clearly you have learned something from this and now you are coming back to me alex jones to rectify this makes mistake you're gonna tell us the

secrets behind the globalist and how it is that they recruit people like you people who clearly have good ideas and they're twisting and turning these good ideas into something evil what do the banking industries want to do what did what globalist secrets did rockerfeller tell you you're on to some interesting threads that will continue as we go along um but uh what you should know is uh this guy nick rockerfeller may or may not exist as uh as erin russo describes him from what is there a nick rocker from what is available research because there is a picture of him with a guy who is uh purportedly and it seems to be a guy named nick rockerfeller who is a lawyer that is not enough he's a lawyer that's not enough evidence he may or may not be

a member of the council on foreign relations but it's not clear whether he is a term member or a permanent member he might just be someone who joined for business context or something like that right because the if you look at the role of members it's a ridiculously huge list of people that doesn't prove shit uh to me at all uh there's no evidence that i can find that he's related to the rockerfellers there's there's where we run into an issue here yeah that could be a big deal that's a big issue that might be a big deal i also cannot find any evidence that he's on rockerfeller records all right all right you all right dad so i'll stick to the facts that's what everybody wants you for they don't need you for rock aware now in 1998 erin russo

ran for the governorship of nevada as a republican uh russo placed second in the republican primary winning about 26 of the vote he would go on to endorse the democratic candidate in the general election who would go on to lose to kenny guin who would beat russo in the primary so he's all over the place there in 2004 russo he's uh he takes things personally and he was like that guy beat me fuck that guy it's possible that was the motivation i have no idea i'm here and i'm listening to erin russo's voice and he's a guy who takes things personally it's possible so in 2004 he tried to run for president as a libertarian he won the first round of voting in the libertarian primary by two votes which was not a large enough margin to name him the

candidate coming out of the convention so they had another ballot and he would go on to lose the final ballot by 89 votes 423 to 344 so huge the libertarian party in 2004 at that point he'd already been diagnosed with bladder cancer okay and that's what and he ends up dying a year after or about a year after this interview with alex jones he'd already been uh suffering uh from cancer struggling with cancer for years right and i think that might inform some of the claims he's making because he has a two million dollar tax lien and uh he has uh been battling cancer for years i think that that not to say boy it sure seems like he would benefit from more government spending on health care it would also instead of perhaps uh being unable to afford both health care and taxes

it would also appear that he would stand to benefit from creating a documentary that's poorly sourced called america freedom to fascism and then creating a niche market for himself by going on alex jones' show and saying that he knows a Rockefeller who told him all the secrets it seems like that is a pretty good gamble to make that you're going to make a lot of money from that now and i believe he may have now proved to me that larry nickels existed before 2006 i think i can i think erin russo faked his own death and became larry nickels no i can hear it in the voice no because of larry nickels involvement in the early clinton scandals and trooper gate and stuff like that where was erin russo at the time i don't know we was running for governor through nevada

he was uh you've never seen him in the same room as my point dad he was producing a uh cheech marin joint that's what he was doing larry nickels wrote jingles the same thing holy same thing we've seen the connection toward the movie that's probably not the case larry nickels did ghost write most of bet meddler's songs though so in his next clip uh we get to learn a little bit of what this mysterious nick rockefeller told erin russo yes about uh the globalists plan although you notice not using the term globalist let's talk about international bankers right so uh the ultimate goal that these people have in mind is the goal to um create a one-world government being run by the banking industry run by the

bankers where and and they're doing it in sections the the european currency the euro and and the european constitution is one part of it now they're trying to do it in america with the north american union right and they want to create a new currency called the emero right and uh the the whole agenda is to create a one-world government where everybody has an r or an rfid chip implanted in them gotta all money is to be uh in those chips it's all like an argument to go back on a gold standard from a former gold salesman and all money will be in your chips and so any so and that instead of having which are provided by ruffles anytime you have money in your in your in your chip they can take out whatever they want to take out whatever they want to so that's

that's the plan i find is disappointing slightly you know why uh mainly because i one i'm pretty sure we do to some extent have an international uh one-world government that is run by the bankers and so far as the entire economic system of the world is interconnected through bankers some of that's inevitable though like yeah i mean even in a perfect uh very mindful way of organizing society like the the way that you know capitalism exists that is an inevitable conclusion of it because eventually you need to get into other markets then i mean capitalism has a has a vested not even interest it has a necessity of growth that is entirely what it's about and because of that you can't ever like at the highest levels

of it you can't just limit yourself to your area and and even even if you did you'd still need trade yeah capitalism is resources from other places capitalism is a uh is almost a disease like it spreads and it only has like one desire yeah it's a lot like bladder cancer yeah and then it pees all over our assholes right i i mean you know what you know what also how bad of an idea is a one-world government and how bad of an idea is the rfid chip well rfid chips wouldn't work for that purpose just based on the technology of course but the the spiritual idea behind what it is they're saying it's like having a fucking debit card you know i mean pretty much exactly like having a debit card if i lose my debit card i'm fucked you know what i mean like i can't buy or

sell without a debit card and that's not something evil i can also use it to get currency out of an atm yeah or whatever you know like it there's convenience issues that it does address but i think it would never i think no self-respecting world government would ever go for that just because of how hacky it is you know what i mean it is hacky it's the kind of thing it's like well this is going to trigger the most aggressive angry gun toting uh right right let's not go down that right let's give it to them in something they can hold well i mean see is how all of our debit cards have computer chips inside of them that function in the exact same way as what it is he's describing and there's all and there's already chips in like uh passports now yeah stuff like that so i mean

and what is your what is your business with like i think the only lot of people a lot of people's pets have chips in them right so i mean i think the only issue with the one world government is what government it is right like i don't want a one world government run by shijing ping you know right i don't want a one world government run by those guys i don't want to run one world government run by the united states either no but like the problem is that's the problem with one world government is that most governments around the world are shit well that's and that's i mean even if you take the world government aspect out of it like i don't want our government being run this way i don't want china's government being run that way it's not an issue of scale it's an

issue these are these are i don't think countries are anywhere near as important as their shitty governments that are fucking everybody over and that's why even if having a central one world government would be necessarily not the worst thing ever it's a very bad thing to look for now because of the unevolved state of all the world's governments exactly the uh with the exception of something some places in like scandinavia the only the only difference between a one world government now and what we have is that instead uh everybody in the world would just be fucked over in the same way see instead of in their own unique ways see that touches on what uh the fear is uh the capital f fear of the one world government that alex and his ilk have and that is that if

there is a unified one world government there's nowhere you can go so like if fascism took over in america and it became a horrible authoritarian state you could still run away to europe or something like that right whereas if there was a unified one world government then you would never be able to escape it without getting off the planet which at this point you couldn't do as a citizen ah so that in 2006 in alex jones world in 2018 of course you can absolutely mars basis right absolutely well no not really no that's don't that's don't paint him that's one space world government yeah don't paint him with that brush okay um but like so i get that fear and that for and for similar reasons uh to what you were espousing about most governments being flawed i don't

support the creation of one world government but just from very different reasons than alex and i don't think it's going that way no i don't think the fact that the euro exists is evident i think it's going hard the opposite way currently there has not been sincere efforts to create uh at the amaro i know it's been discussed but it's always been roundly rejected just based on the the complications that would come from how currency works well and the the differences of opinion between countries like canada america mexico there's no there's no way they'd be able to come to a agreement about how it should be uh you know laid out right just wouldn't it every time it gets suggested it's like no well and that's not least of which because countries themselves are not

unified blocks like so you know as much as your identity may be uh i'm american or i'm canadian the guys in canada who are like government isn't real are more in the same country as uh the guys in america who are like government isn't isn't real as opposed to sure uh people along those lines like the country isn't the difference between those two people and that's an argument for globalism because our borders are abstract ideas that i think it's an argument for segregation and i don't like it now well i don't i just i disagree with your your your assessment all i'm saying is that we should put people like alex into one camp well no no no because like but think about it let's give him a state let's give him a state let's give him arizona look if you don't think

there should be a government you get arizona there's no government there you guys figure your own shit out and everybody else will be fine the ultimate irony would be if like there was a north american union that ended up happening and because texas is so bullheaded they're like all right we secede right and then they are the thing that links uh the entire thing would just be like you have one little sovereign state in the middle that blocks uh the rest of the united states from mexico to a certain extent that almost to a certain extent california that almost makes other states that almost makes sense because then if you were one of those assholes living in canada you'd be like well i could just go to this non-government place right but because i'm

staying here i'm tacitly admitting that government is a good thing i don't know if we're going to come to a resolution of this but it is more fun than talking about arizona i think i think arizona is shit and let's give them uh whatever they want arizona has some delightful rock formations i've enjoyed it many times in my life i love it i love it we should uh we should take back their land okay uh in this next clip uh we get to hear a shocking revelation of erin rusos that comes from mysterious nick rockefeller ah eric you be specific about when you met rockefeller how it happened in these discussions i met rockefeller to a female attorney i knew who called me up one day and said uh one of the rockefells would like to meet you i'd made a video called

man as hell and uh he'd seen the video and wanted to meet me and knew i was running for governor in avada so sure i'd love to meet him and i met him and i liked him and uh he was a very very smart man and uh we used to talk and share ideas and thoughts and um he's the one who told me uh 11 months before 9 11 ever happened that there was going to be an event never tell me what the event was going to be but there was going to be an event and out of that event uh we were going to invade afghanistan woodstock 99 to run uh pipe launch on the caspian sea we were going to invade iraq you know to take over the oil fields establish a base in the middle east and make it all part of the new world order and we go after chavez in venezuela

and uh sure enough later 9 11 happened and i remember he was telling me how how you're gonna see soldiers looking in caves for people in afghanistan and pakistan and all these places was he a psychic and there's going to be this war on terra which is no real enemy and the whole thing is a giant hoax you know but it's a way for the government to take over the american people he told you was gonna be a hoax oh yeah oh yeah there's no question he says that there's gonna be war on terra and he's laughing there's no who we fighting i mean why do you think 9 11 happened and then nothing's happened since then nothing um so anyway that's a that's a little silly um here's the problem with this uh here's the problem i think i know why

9 11 happened um but also nothing happened since is a ridiculous thing to to argue and if you're just saying that why haven't they taken over more planes i don't know because the fucking security got clamped down real fucking hard now the other thing is all of this also it became hack all of the stuff that he's saying in this interview in 2006 is stuff that has happened since 9 11 he's just using his awareness of what has happened since then and pretending that he knew it 11 months mysteriously didn't tell anybody before 9 11 he wrote it down in an envelope he put it in a bank vault waited five years after 9 11 didn't tell anybody and then brought the story out mysteriously around the same time that he released a movie called america freedom to fascism weird and he has

two million dollars in tax liens and has a vested interest in really trying to sell this movie how do you sell it i know a secret Rockefeller guy who told me about 9 11 ahead of time therefore everything in my movie must be based on totally real stuff now i'll read to you from a new york times review of his documentary from freedom to fascism okay quote near the film's beginning mr russo says and others appear on screen asserting that the irs has refused every request to show any law making americans liable for an income tax on their wages yet among those uh thanked in the credits for their help in making the film is anthony Burke an irs spokesman mr Burke said that when mr russo called him asking what law required the payment of income taxes on wages he sent mr russo

a link to documents including title 26 of the united states code citing the specific sections that require income tax to be paid on wages title 26 says on its face that it is a law enacted by congress but mr russo denied this fact oh okay so he's just completely lying about it oh also the new york times review also include that bet midler should get a best picture not absolutely yeah yeah the film the film also includes a brief interview with sheldon cohen who was an irs commissioner in the johnson administration mr cohen said that mr russo used editing that quote twist my views to create a false impression yeah so you get these sense that there's multiple people who were involved with this fucking stupid documentary that he put out who have come out publicly and said oh no i did

send him those documents that very clearly answer the question he asked and in the documentary says oh no one will respond to my request and give me documents right or you have someone else who comes out and says hey this guy lied about me using editing and now he's coming on alex joneson show who has a staunch staunch credible reputation as a truth teller right he's coming on here in saying all this bullshit that's completely unverifiable about a guy named nick rockefeller who doesn't even appear to be a member of the rockefeller family that's saying using him because that's my favorite twist because that's his name he's using him to say oh i knew about 9 11 almost a year before but yet i didn't do anything which also probably makes you culpable for the deaths of 3000

people which isn't great that's right you didn't do a goddamn thing about it you want to criticize bush for not stopping it based on prior intelligence what the fuck did you do also why didn't you tell alex jones back then why don't you tell someone else who could do something scream about it anyway my point is this guy's a con man yeah this guy is a big old con man yeah and uh it's so foundational for alex jones's worldview that it this definitely deserves uh being talked about now there's a lot of other stuff in the interview that we're just for the sake of time we don't really have uh the time to get into um but suffice it to say the rest of the stuff is mostly like this yeah um so in this next clip uh he said he uh makes a brave pronouncement about the war on terror

look this whole war on terror is a fraud that's a farce it's very difficult to say it out loud because people are intimidated against saying it because if you say it they want to make you into a nutcase but the truth but the truth has to be the truth has to come out that's what i'm doing this interview the fact that the matter happens to be that the whole war on terror is a fraud it's a farce the other's a war going on in iraq because we invaded iraq people they're fighting you know but the war on terror that's a joke again you could have uh gone to any protest yeah yeah i mean he's he's right and and he's not he's not just right at the time if you said the war on terror was a fraud and the news media would be like ah you're a nutcase you're a lunatic

that whole thing i disagree well i don't know if the news is going to cover what erin russo says oh yeah no no absolutely erin russo is a nutcase but the war on terror is also a fraud but that is a very common very middle of the road position in most uh liberal uh activist communities predating 2006 right so this this idea of you know the media sold the war on terror in the first place i'm not saying that i'm just saying that as a larger as a larger concept during this time i remember clearly that so many people who are like this is bullshit would be you're an american and you're a lunatic and all that stuff i don't i i think you still don't think that makes it hard to say no no no well i don't alex jones is fucking show no of course not for him on alex's show but

at the time if you there were plenty of people whose political careers were ruined by coming out and saying that this is bullshit name one uh david okay he's in my he's he works i t yeah david from it makes a repeat of god david of david from it i don't know anyway um in his next clip uh we get some more news from the rockefeller guy okay about women's lib oh why would you jump there and he started laughing he said erin what do you think women's liberation was about and uh i said i had pretty conventional thinking about it at that point i said i think it's about women having the right to work getting equal pay with men just like they want the right to vote you know and he started laughing said you're an idiot and i said why am i an idiot he said you

want let me tell you what that was about we rock a fellas funded that we funded women's lib you know and we're the ones who got all over the newspapers and television the rockefeller foundation he says and you went away so there were two primary reasons and they were one reason was we couldn't tax half the population i think that's probably legitimate but the second reason was now we get the kids of school at an early age we can indoctrinate the kids how to think but so it breaks up their family the the kids that look at the state as the family as the school as the officials as their family not as the parents teaching them and so those are the two primary reasons for women's lib which i thought up to that point was a noble thing so we all

know that public school didn't exist before women's lib right uh so there's that yeah but they didn't they they got into schools later right the kindergarten had to be uh yeah brought in which kindergarten taken from the woman word kindergarten yeah where they were they garden children right see there you go um i would i would say we funded women's lib well i think that you they're like a central because i think if you do look back on it like after like even just as another example like after margaret sanger had already been uh you know putting her crusade for women's health for years and years with no help uh rockfeller foundation did come in and fund her a little bit later good but uh so you couldn't fund all of women's lib though no no no but you can probably

find examples where they did support uh like causes or gave grants endowments stuff like that to people like margaret sanger uh throughout history you could probably find that but that doesn't mean that they funded women's lib or it was some sort of fake thing right now you take the example of a fake thing you have people like edward bernay's with his uh campaign to get women's smoking and stuff like that now that is a fake co-opting of women's lib type uh ideas but that's not like the bigger picture of it wasn't that and to to a much finer point this is grossly patriarchal like this sort of idea that he's selling because well he thought that women's uh liberation was a noble thing and then he discovered that men should rule the world i guess but like even if

like all like there were women who didn't want to go along with the idea of i need to have kids and uh i should have a career right and the idea that he's sort of invalidating those people's perspective is saying like oh no no it was all Rockefeller funded it was all these elites that i'm imagining uh that pushed this through it takes away a lot of the agency of the women who actually did fight for change yeah and also it didn't quite get pushed through so not entirely yeah so this once again the globalists are uh not real and bad at their jobs again he's not calling them globalists which is interesting um so in this these next two clips we get to hear Aaron Russo say some stuff that's shockingly familiar okay and i'm gonna i'm just gonna tell you this

up front and i hope this doesn't color the way you hear this clip uh but i got chills when i was listening to these clips because i believe that what he's about to say alex has stolen his bit i i think that did he meet three men in a hot tub uh no no that would be amazing i this is i was with these three men in a hot tub and then a globalist came up to me i think alex heard this in this interview Aaron Russo died shortly after this and he just took it on as his own backstory because it's very familiar to us nowadays but i mean i don't know i haven't listened to a ton of alex from like 2004 2005 uh i don't know if this was a piece of his his past back then but i imagine it wasn't i think it just comes from this okay i killed no

as to say you know that i never really did that because well that wasn't where i was coming from you know as much as i like you nick you know your ways in my ways were the other were the opposite side of the fence you know i don't believe in enslaving people you know and um and he would come back with oh i do well be more like you know it's better for the one that's more like you know um how i put it it was like what do you care about them what do you care about those people what difference does it make to you take care of your own life do the best you can for you and your family what are the rest of the people mean to you that don't mean anything to you that just serves they're just people

you know it was it was just a lack of caring you know and that's just not who i was it was just sort of like cold you know it was just like cold you know and uh i just said what what's the point of all this you have all the money in the world you need you have all the power you need what's the point you know what's the end goal and he said the end goal is to get everybody chipped so you hear that silly but you you hear a weird conversation you hear there him talking about how nicholas rockefeller was trying to recruit him in so many people they were trying to recruit him in but he couldn't do it because i don't want to disrespect the humanity of other people now this does next clip where i talks about it even more and this is even more familiar i was gonna get

offered ten million dollars maybe because that's the ballpark so it's in the ballpark successful the movie business and i saw the truth what was happening i try to express it to the people and rather than having me express it to the people they want me to join this side because so real quick already already i could have been glenn beck or could have been glenn beck maybe i had million dollar movie deals he's already been in movies oh yeah he's been in so many big movies he's offered tons of movies they're trying to reach out to me they're trying to get me in but i don't want to do it so anyway because i was a mover and a shaker and rather than me opposing them to join them it was real simple and uh he tried to recruit me into that situation

and um i didn't go for it did he get angry when you didn't go for it no no and uh you know it's like you know i may want already i have to think that first of all it's very clear that alex stole this because his response wasn't that happened to me too yeah so anyway my my thing that i'm amazed at right now is alex is a way better interviewer in 2006 yeah i mean he's asking leading questions he's not he's letting his guest talk and he's fucking he's doing it i think what he references he's not a good interviewer but he's a better interview he references that they had a conversation the night before and i have to assume the night before he told him some of these bombshell pieces and so he knows that like let's not step on this i'm going to get a fake rockfeller story

out of this right right right right one time he said to me you join us so you have an id card there and you know you have a chip and your chip will say kma on it and uh so what does kma mean he said it means kiss my ass oh it stops you a cop whatever and you show them your car to your chip and uh they'll they'll not leave you alone because you one of us you know and uh you know why why are you fighting for the people for what what is that about the people just you know that they have to be ruled they have they have to be you know the the constitution what we what you're standing for is only for a few people selling through the visuals that can live that way you know and uh we believe that this best society to be ruled by an elite people who

control everything this is so this is so alex's shit man yeah insane right up the alley i didn't even down to the stupid we're gonna put kma on your chip right right like okay all right i mean alex alex talks a lot about like getting an offer of like you have a free pass yeah you'll be one of us why do you care about these sheep these and there's always a stupid code that is obviously stupid like a fucking put badass motherfucker on your wallet and that's the same bullshit that there's more or less uh mr officer i believe i'm a badass motherfucker oh i apologize what's in the case i mean it's the same sort of thinking that leads you to like those people who are selling the laminated don't vaccinate me cards yeah you know like i have this

card you can't do it you can't plug me haha you fooled uh i have a postcard that i spent 25 dollars on with the fit what what what was it the phrase that got you out of it yeah the phrase that pays yay so i was uh i this is a perfect example of something that i definitely watched like 10 years ago or something like that you know seven eight years ago i have watched this interview before but knowing that what i know about alex now i saw it through completely new eyes yeah like that story to me was horrifying to hear because i know from other looking into this guy that he's a liar right and then i know what alex has sold about his life story since then so i i i have really strong confidence that what happened was this is erin russo's pretend bit

if you're a comic that's his bit and then he you know he's not super mainstream he never got on comedy central something like that he dies a year later you're like i'm gonna do that bit right it was a good bit right that's a great bit he robin williams did the idea that the globalist have reached out to me and tried to get me to join their team explicitly that's a good bit and he's just stolen that bit it's a good bit it's a great bit i mean it's bullshit but it's a good bit i mean he should have paid for it yeah absolutely help him out with that tax lien exactly right come on man i'm not sure alex had the money in 2006 look people buy bits it happens there's nothing to be ashamed of yeah so we have one more uh... uh...

sort of bullshit thing that uh... russo says before we wrap this up and uh... here's that he even mentioned to me once uh... they have a real problem trying to solve the israel um... palestinian problem and he talked to me once about uh... they were playing with the idea of bringing israel to arizona you know and i like that i do israel and give everybody million dollars and setting up israel in the state of arizona unbelievable it is unbelievable that's pretty wild i like that i like that yeah i like the idea of judyism just being like guys we got the math wrong our holy land is actually arizona

our bad our bad guys it's also kind of insulting that it's like hey fuck it uh we'll give him a million dollars and then it's arizona now consider that that's that's almost anti-semitic and like that the jews will take the jews will just take money instead of now consider in 2006 the population of israel was seven million people give them each a million dollars uh put them into arizona as millionaires and that will somehow fix the israel palestinian issue done it doesn't solve anything does it no are you sure i mean you know what there are a lot of ideas that you don't know are bad until you try well here's here's why i wouldn't solve that because first of all yeah give me give me a reason dad well the people because i can't see any the people who believe in israel the most uh

aggressively would never take that deal because it's not about like uh just being like oh we can have arizona great it's not about that it is about the holy land that exists there it's kind of pretty important geographically based so even if you got rid of let's say two million of the seven million people that are there you're still going to have a lot of people who are still um enforcing the apartheid government and that's a lot of money yeah it's going to come into money it's going to come into money you know what that's that's even if you have two million dollars that's two trillion dollars more than that yeah much more than that is that much more than that yeah that's a thousand dollars oh yeah oh boy yeah i don't even know what that number is called no millions of millions

a trillion is a hundred thousand dollars per person so i guess it would be a quadrillion dollars yeah i guess so yeah yeah now our math is bad it's not important because this is all bullshit um but i mean i guess a secondary issue would be then what are you doing bringing seven million more people into arizona how is that going to affect the demographics well the arizona's love jews everybody knows that oh certainly yeah that's one thing one thing that arizona is famous for loving jewish people i'm not even saying from a demographic standpoint that way i just mean adding seven million more people into a state would throw everything into complete chaos how many people although i don't know of the seven million isn't that big for arizona of the seven million

that are in israel though too you got to assume that like that's including palestinians so i guess it wouldn't be all of them well and they would have to take their rock with them so i would or their dome they might they might pick one or the other uh in 2006 the population of arizona was six million see there you go so you would double the population nobody even lives there yeah this is kakamemi nonsense give him a give him a lake the idea that he's saying that rockefeller make rockefeller right is saying this to him makes me believe that rockefeller might just be a guy who likes to talk shit he's just a lawyer guy who uh russo has assumed is part of some elite faction because of his last name uh and is like yeah i like i i really like that idea

i like that idea as fiction right the idea of just like like that's a great alternate history fiction book is instead of instead of after the holocaust we create israel's estate we're just like have arizona right it's both they're both deserty it's nice deserty yeah you guys get it so i mean this brings us to the end of another investigation of a side con man in the uh info war's lineage but i want to bring one thing sharply into focus at no point during any of this interview does erin russo or alex jones bring up george soros in any way they don't reference him that is a good point they don't talk about him at all zero soros and we're in the rockefeller territory soros is right up there exactly but this this is a time when soros was not a thing

that alex thought about or cared about interesting it's all rockefeller stuff for foundation perhaps maybe you'll get a plug in there yeah it's interesting to me that you have someone who he's purporting as being on the inside and knowing a arch globalist family member and having the invitation for them he's coming in and spilling the beans and at no point does soros the open society foundation come up at all nope wonder why interesting i wonder why fascinating right more on that to come in all right all right dan tease your balls off i'm not teasing anything because i don't actually know the answer to this question but it's fucking it's not right you know it's yeah based on alex jones's own reporting of his skeptical history

that he should absolutely be like what do you know about soros right if he thinks he's a nazi collaborator you know uh if you know a rockefeller the rockefellers know soros they're intimately involved yeah they're all globalists they go to their meetings or whatever and pretending that in 2006 he didn't rank is bullshit that's bullshit used very actively involved in politics very actively involved in funding foundations and shit like that in 2006 it's nonsense we'll see i will see i want to learn more about it absolutely but it's fucked up this is if anywhere there should be a fingerprint of soros on alex's past it's when he's interviewing this guy who told him he knew about 9 11 ahead of time probably you would think that the you would think that soros

would have been like the main boogeyman from the start you would think or that there would have been an investigation like our like if like when we go back through 2015 and do that whole long ass investigation if soros then comes up it seems like there would be a corroborating info wars investigation during that time of like well we looked into the rockefellers we looked into the ford foundation and we found another guy we found a guy that's behind there you would think they found some reason instead of just a narrative emerging whole cloth out of nowhere but alex doesn't do any research as you see when he brings up the grace commission like he doesn't he doesn't understand what they actually said he just thinks like oh i'll take that soundbite of no money what all of it

went to the interest when it's actually saying all the stuff that we didn't consider waste went to paying off the interest when waste is something that very debatably is not waste no not just very debatable alex doesn't do any work he doesn't do any research and you can see that even in 2006 i was hoping we'd go back and he'd have a much more strong grasp on on information and stuff like that but no he's playing the same fast and loose games he does with uh with stuff now so he can uh he's just more different he doesn't have the he doesn't have the same ego no no no not at all no because the globalist hadn't uh imaginarily reached out to him yet ah that's true erin russo hadn't died and he hadn't taken that on as part of his back story he didn't discover how important

he really was right right until after he stole erin russo's backstory right exactly um so anyway if you'd like our show you can go to our website knowledgefight.com you can uh you can follow us on uh twitter at knowledge underscore fight that's correct also we're on facebook uh what else you can go to itunes yes i do you go to itunes you could download our download our podcast indeed you could go to the you could go to the internet and just like i mean i don't know how the internet works but write a letter and send it to the internet and tell people about our show yeah that's a good idea tell the internet people give give yourself a return address write internet and the the post office will get at that absolutely uh uh but before we end this i'd like to say that

i'd like to say uh you'd like to say that you'd like to say i want not uh for erin russo to be the person you tell to fuck himself i know i don't think i don't think i i'd got the feeling that erin russo wasn't the guy he's a con man for sure right he i mean he he should fuck himself on some level but i do feel sad that he died yeah but me almost immediately after that not immediately but shortly after this interview bladder cancer fucked him really well and he'd been you know he'd been diagnosed for years so i think that he knew that the stakes were lower right for him to come on alex's show and say crazy shit yeah um he's playing with house money i would say maybe i mean reagan's in the running oh reagan can go fuck himself all right andy and chansas you're

on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you