Knowledge Fight - #148: June 1-3, 2009

Episode Date: April 10, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about how he had to jump up his investigation into the past because Alex Jones' show was terribly produced in 2008, and thus they find themselves in 2009 moving forward. In this installment, the gents discuss how Alex use to understand that cops were unjustly killing black people, how Alex used to have to allow his sponsors to come on air as guests, and how hilarious Kinky Friedman is.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Absolutely. Dan.

Oh, boy. Is there a specific hook to this particular day that may be unusual for the two of us? Today? Yeah, because you might know a lot about a certain event, and I don't know anything about a certain event. An event? I'll be goddamned, WrestleMania. Goddammit, Dan. Catch on. I do know a lot about WrestleMania. You don't know anything about WrestleMania.

See, there you go. But more specifically to this podcast, I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I don't know anything about him. So, it's a very similar thing. Something I want to get out of the way real fast before we get into my thoughts about WrestleMania, because I have a ton. I'd like to give a shout out to a new donor. What's going on out there? Someone who I think you'll like their name. What's up out there, Jordan? I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you so much for joining up with the team. I got nothing. I got nothing. There aren't really any famous Jordans. You aren't going to try and say it was you. What about Jordan Peele? Right? Keegan Peele? Isn't it Jordan Peele? Oh, I think you're right. Yeah. He's famous as fuck. Yeah.

He wrote one of the best horror movies of all time. Fine. Jordan Peele. Thank you very much for donating the show. How about a goddamn tweet? Huh? Why? Huh? Why is it? I don't know any Jordans.

Why is it that you're a name? Do you know the other Jordan I know is the prophecy brother of mine? Oh, that's true. The cult relation. Yeah. So, speaking of cults, people are in a wrestling cult and they hit their high church yesterday as we're recording this Sunday for WrestleMania. And boy, I'll tell you what, I think I'm done with wrestling and it's not... Oh, what?

It's not... Why was this one the back break? Well, because it's not for the same reasons that a lot of people complain about it. A lot of people are like, uh, so predictable, blah, blah, blah. You know, everyone complains like that after all of the big paper views. Okay. And for me, it was just like, I got to about hour four and I was like, I don't know why I'm watching this. Well...

I'm exhausted. I don't really enjoy it. Right. I don't know what's going on. I think you enjoy your non-enjoyment of it. To a certain extent, I will say that I had a number of thoughts in my boredom that were troubling. Uh-huh. The first is that they don't do a great job...

What's up? I'm telling you, do not say that the Jews could be exterminated. I really think that's a bad thought to have during WrestleMania. Well, that actually comes into this a little bit. I can't see how it could! So, within the first 10 minutes or so of the broadcast, they played a teaser. There was a Nazi wrestler? Eh, eh...

Oh boy. So, they played a teaser clip for the upcoming SmackDown Women's Championship match between Charlotte and Asuka. Right. And they kept... And this is something they do a lot. They keep referring to Charlotte as being bread for supremacy. Oh, I don't like that. It makes me a bit uncomfortable considering she's like a...

Bread? Six-foot-something blonde Aryan goddess. Okay, well... Well, I mean... Valkyries... I got nothing for this one. I'm gonna go with a no. I'm gonna go with a hard pass on this one.

And I grant that her dad is Ric Flair and that he used to be involved with a group called Evolution. And so, there's some of these like... I don't know what a group called Evolution. Is he a genetic birther kind of guy? No, it's sort of like the evolution of wrestling. We're the next evolution of it. Oh, okay. It's related to them.

So, thematically, you're saying that there might be a defense. Right, but it still doesn't feel good. No. It doesn't feel good, but you have a fucking super tall, beautiful, blonde, white woman who's bred for supremacy. Yeah, that's not great. That's not great. So, that's in the first couple of minutes. Who's the lady named...

Who's the lady in Red Sonya, though? She was married to Flavor Flavor or something? I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know the... Oh, yeah. She was in... Brigitte Nielsen? Brigitte Nielsen, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, I don't know. I'm just naming Valkyries at this point. Who else you got on your top five Valkyrie list? I don't know. But the other thing that made me uncomfortable, and this is something that I understand isn't necessarily a real criticism, but they played this teaser that's kind of... It has a little bit of a Nazi feel to it in some ways.

They know their audience. And then, they had the men's battle royal. The Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal, right? So, it's about 30... Wait, did they say battle royal? I don't know. I don't care. They had 30 dudes in the ring, and they're all fighting with each other.

Yes. Matt Hardy ends up winning. Oh, I hate it when he wins. Matt Hardy has a thing that he does where he deletes people. That's his sort of gimmick. 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:57,200 Oh, no. And he has a hand gesture for delete.

No, I don't like a hand gesture. It's a hand gesture that's like this, making a delete like a minus sign. Like an X on the throat. Yes, somewhat. Not exactly on the throat, but yeah. And it's not a Nazi salute. But boy, when it's 70,000 people doing it in arena, it feels very close. That's not good.

So, that's within like the first 10 minutes I'm watching. I kind of don't like 70,000 people doing anything together. That kind of bums me out. Yeah. So, anyway, it just dragged on, and I guess some of it was good, but the only high point for me, and I know that I'm like, you know, I'm going to sound like the fucking stupidest wrestling fan in the world, but there's this really giant guy named Braun Strowman.

Yes. He had a shot at the tag team titles, but he didn't have a partner. I've heard this one because my long time buddy, Matt Elfring, writes about wrestling for GameSpot. He does. Does a great job over there. Yes, he was very excited about the 10-year-old child. Picked a 10-year-old kid out of the audience.

Is he going to come back? I don't care. Is the 10-year-old going to come back? I feel like he has to be, he has to be a plant, right? Yeah, absolutely. I don't care. I love the absurdity of it, and I don't give a fuck. It's very fun.

Yes. And then the main event was Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns, and everyone complains about all that shit because it's a very repetitive match. It's happened a bunch of times. Yeah. People are just kind of tired of it. I don't really care about that aspect of it, but Roman's head ended up bleeding a lot. Okay.

And I was watching and I was just like, this is gross. This is disgusting. I don't even, I don't care if he cut himself like they do sometimes in wrestling, or if it was actually from a stroke. I learned that in the great movie, The Wrestler. Yeah, they played. I don't care really what the situation was. It was grotesque and seeing it made me very sick.

And in between, they're just not really enjoying it. Is he a member of the royal family? Does he have that hemophilia? You know that's a, okay. I don't know. I did really enjoy NXT Takeover New Orleans though. That was much better because it's much shorter. You're, you've become the old movie critic who's like, listen, hey, it was a great movie.

Could have cut 10 minutes out. Meanwhile, we could have cut 10 minutes out. No big deal. You could have cut 10 minutes out. Meanwhile, I don't like it. I don't like an hour and 40 long minute movie. Give me an hour and 30. Meanwhile, we do a nine hour episode that end game.

So who am I to fucking talk? Anyway, I thought it was fine, but I don't know. I don't know how much I'm going to be watching in the future, but I am excited about a 10 year old tag team. Do you mean exactly as much? Yeah, probably because every time you get disillusioned after every single paper view and you keep going back then. Yeah.

That's just boredom. Anyway, today, Jordan, thank you to our new donor, Jordan. Yes. That was what that was dedicated to. So the today, what we're going to be going over is we're going to go back to the past for deep, deep in the past today because Alex has been out of studio since Thursday. Okay. He's going to Washington, D.C. to do his press conference,

which as we know is a four day long trek by a covered wagon. Yeah. Is that what we're doing? I assume. Okay. So he had Owen shroy or hosting on Monday. He had Mike Adams hosting on Sunday and then there's had a best of on Friday. So there's not a whole lot to work with here and we're recording this on Monday

and I'm going to put it out on Tuesday instead of Wednesday. This week because we might need to have an emergency recording with a press conference. Yeah. I see what you said. We need to not be back loaded or anything. We need to have forward progress. All right. For this ridiculous press conference that's going to be happening on Tuesday.

So I decided, let's go back to the past. Yes. And we have been like that movie. Yes. The second one of them. Yeah. Back to the past. The third one where they had a where they went back to train.

Yeah. That was a great one. So Jordan, we had been going back to 2008 looking at stuff and I've come to the issue that I keep listening to episodes and they are like clips of interviews that he did on a previous episode spliced together and stuff. Okay. And it's very unreliable for me to get through. It's just a time suck in 2008.

So I decided to jump forward a bit. And so we find ourselves in June 2009. And today we're going to be going over the first, second and third of June 2009 and just seeing what we find. Let's see what happens. Oh man. Your, your ability to, uh, to put your cards on behind your vest. I don't know what's the saying there.

Uh, keep them close to the vest. Yes. Keep them tight. Not good. You're not good at it. No. I mean, we're going to, we're going to find a lot of interesting stuff. There's going to be, uh, there's going to be some, uh, ooh, boys and some, just like,

Oh, it's interesting to see a snapshot of Alex Jones from almost a decade back. Okay. Um, and I, I have experienced, I've listened to a bit of these 2009 episodes and it's much more like it's a radio show as opposed to in 2008 where it's like sometimes it's a radio show and then sometimes he's just, here's a mishmash of shows for a week or whatever. So, um, we will go back to 2008 eventually cause we got to cover like the election and stuff like that. We'll go back and find those Obama.

I think that I think, I don't know. I think we all lost like a terminate, uh, alien versus predator situation. Exactly. Um, whoever wins, we lose. So we start here on June 1st, 2009. Yes. And the first thing that I noticed right away is that Alex has a very different way of like his callers are very different back then.

Uh-huh. His callers are all in it for themselves. Okay. Now I'm interested because nobody's buying products. They don't have products to buy. Nobody opens with like, Hey, Alex, first off, love your hair product or whatever it is. You know, that kind of thing. There's no formal like, uh, at the beginning of the, the, the, the college is being like,

I love, uh, micro ZX or whatever. Yeah. So what they do instead is they go into business for themselves and they try and promote their shit. Here's the first example of that bird man in Florida. You're on the air bird man. Hey, brother Alex. How you doing?

Good bird man. Congratulations on the Oscar. I really appreciate your program so much. Um, if you give me a couple of relaxed minutes, I want to ask you if I can tell people about my old punk band in 1984. Okay. Go ahead and tell us about your punk man. Fuck yes.

So fuck yes. We've got bird man calling. Hey Alex, I just want to tell you about my mixtape. Oh, give it to me all day already. This show feels very different. I love it. Yeah. I love it.

But you can hear that sort of exact Alex. Can I get the directions to the Walmart? You already hear like an exasperated tone and Alex like, tell us about your punk band. Oh, it's a punk band. Whatever. Here's where that goes. Well, from 81 to 85, that's all we ever sung about with everything that you guys talk about and I would like to get someone to put overdub some of your voices on some blank

tracks from your programs to scream about the same thing. It's myspace.com. No free plugs. It's amazing that in 81 to 85, he was screaming about 9-11 trutherism. That's the most amazing thing. Yeah, that was a great punk band. Alex puts up with it and is just like, all right, all right. Then a little bit later, we get another call.

It's myspace.com. We get another call from another guy. Well, what I want to tell you today, two things I want to say, you've been a great inspiration to us here at We Are Changed, North Carolina. I'm a member and co-organizer of that and I've got me a radio show starting on Saturday morning coming up starting this Saturday. You mind if I throw a quick plug on it real quick? Sure, go ahead.

All right. It's called Eternal Vigilance with Justin Prim on revolutionbroadcasting.com. They're going to run it from 10 a.m. to 12 noon. Our show this week, I'm extremely proud of the opportunity to get a chance to do this and Alex Jones is my inspiration. Spoiler alert, that show is no longer on. Oh, did Eternal Vigilance flame out? I think it might have, yes.

But you see, there's this sense that people think of Alex as a way that I can get my thing out back at this point, which is pretty interesting. Because you didn't fucking care. Yeah, and Alex is still operating on some sort of local radio vibe. Like a almost public access show kind of feel. I like the idea of somebody giving out their website in a 10 second clip. Like, because if you've ever given anybody a website, they're like, okay, spell that for me.

Yeah. And somebody, so they're saying like, well either, either people are on their computer ready to type it in as I speak, or people are recording this and are willing to listen back to it to get it right. There's no way that this is a good idea. Yeah. And I think that probably. Which is why I feel like our many, many calls into coast to coast I am have worked out.

No, absolutely not. I just think it's fascinating that that's sort of the vibe that's going on with Alex at this point. It's entertaining. And then we get to. He's like a local radio station guy. He's like, he's like one of the failed comedians from the 80s who became a regional radio station DJ of some sort.

Yeah. They do. They do promotional like, oh, we're going to show up outside the minor league baseballs first day of the year. Like that kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of the, a lot of the narratives that he's selling aren't really even worth

going over. They're all kind of just, just nonsense. Like he's screaming about how everything is about to collapse, which you can understand that sentiment in 2009, certainly that sort of, that was probably a prevailing feeling that people. Well, it's a weird thing to feel whenever everything had already collapsed. Also he, he reads an article about society about to collapse from Pravda, which is fun. Do they sell those purses?

Yes. The devil wears profit. He also screams about how Congress is being blackmailed, but he doesn't mention anything about it. Doesn't mention Larry Nichols. No, that he said sooth. He also doesn't bring up the, his whole cosmology about pedophile blackmail or anything like that.

It's just some sort of regular old, it's just nebulous ideas of blackmail. He screams about how a Supreme court justice nominee, Sotomayor is a racist. Goes on some of that. You know what? She's done a, she's actually done a really great job. Like when you, whenever I remember her confirmation and reading up on her and the, the consensus at the time was very much like, well, she's, she's more of a centrist liberal, like center left kind of judging.

Since then, if you read her decisions, she's been pretty hard, pretty hard towards the left. I like her. Cool. I like Sotomayor. Well, someone who Alex likes. I give her my retroactive endorsement. Someone who Alex gives an endorsement to now is a guy by the name of Eric Prince who runs blackwater or ran blackwater, which is not his name a number of times.

Great episode of the dollop. Yeah. Alex now calls him a great patriot and a hero because he's involved with a lot of Trump's shady dealings and is deeply involved with Trump. Let's hear what he was saying about blackwater back in 2009. No blood and murdering thugs. Yep. That's the same thing that blackwater worldwide's doing all over the planet right now.

They weren't for the people that are bringing down this country. What the fuck? What the fuck? No, he's nailed it. Right. But how do you still work for those very same people? How do you go from there to abandoning that? Well, Trump got elected.

Well, yeah, of course. See, it's very simple. Every single conservative principle that has ever been held has been demolished by Trump. Absolutely. It's very interesting, though, that applies to Alex Jones's conspiracy world just as equally. Yeah. Exactly.

The idea that he's selling a pretty accurate picture that blackwater are murdering thugs and death merchants. Pretty much. And then I just conveniently forget that, that the same guy who ran that is now someone who I yell about it being a great patriot. Well, he doesn't run it anymore. He probably left due to morality concerns. Right.

Yeah, probably. That was something that if I know anything about Eric Prince, it's that morality is high on his list. Right. Right. And so it's weird. You see these inconsistencies and certainly there's a ton of them. But one thing that is pretty consistent through Alex Jones's early career that we're finding

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Too long. Very uncomfortable. Too long was that thunderstorm. Can't come up with enough copy to fill this 30-second spot. Better have a thunderstorm sound effect. Yikes. Yikes. Tell me more about a gourmet survivalist.

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Yeah, exactly. But time is short. There's a storm coming. So we know that one of Alex Jones's consistent principles throughout his life has been opposition to abortion, except for the 10 that he got when he was younger. Right. And in this next clip, he discusses the shooting of an abortion doctor. Oh, I remember this one.

And this is fucked up. Hey, domestic white terrorism never happens. This is super weird the spin he takes on it. The historical comparison he decides to make. Okay. Now, that said, remember John Brown, who in Kansas, they've got no fewer than 14 statues. I looked it up this morning at the State House. You name it.

John Brown, the abolitionist, killed a whole bunch of people, slave owners. Well, he massacred nine in Kansas, nine slave owners, killed in Dutton and Hammer, shot them through, then led an army of white abolitionists in blacks on an armory in another state or just about a list. And the state honors him for assaulting the military and police and killing them. And they got statues for him all over Kansas. Now, I'm not defending John Brown. Abraham Lincoln, you know, said that he was a misguided soul.

I don't think he was. But you got to ask why state houses and why county seats all over the country and why black community centers all over the country have statues to John Brown who went around killing white slave owners. Hold on. Now, are those black human beings? Yes, they are. Are those babies human beings?

See, this is the war situation. If we win and defeat the New World Order and stop the killing 50 plus million babies, is that enough? Will there be statues to this guy? Whoa. I'm only asking the question. I'm going to go with no. I don't think it's a very easy question.

People should go around killing abortionist because it'll make them into victims and that's the only way they're going to be around to kill them in their tray. Yikes. Yikes. Weird outro music. Yeah. Weird outro music is is insane. Uh, well, I mean, when you consider how many statues are for slave owners, I'm way on

board with statues for slave murderers. Sure. That's like just slave owner murderers, not right. The slave owners. I think everyone understood what you were saying. I think that when you really take a like a step back and look at what is going on here, what you see is that the guy who shot an abortion doctor is not doing that because he's motivated by the plight of the unborn.

I really don't think so. They're usually doing it because they're threatened by the idea of women's autonomy and want to commit terrorist acts in order to scare people out of being abortion. Oh, do you mean all anti-abortion people? Yeah, exactly. I mean, like, you know, we, what you're doing is when you kill an abortion doctor is you are trying to reinforce a status quo that is not equitable. In fact, I would suggest that what you are is the equivalent of the slave owner in the

in the metaphor. So you're killing an abolitionist is what you're doing. What I would say is right in the same vein. If you kill just Jeff Bezos, I will make a statue for you. You can make a statue. I, if I, if somebody kills Jeff Bezos, I'll learn. Okay. God damn.

You're crafty. Um, yes, I am crafty. So that's fucked up. I thought that was really disturbing by and large. But the thing that I thought was even more disturbing is that back in 2009, go ahead. Yeah, he's comparing like, to a certain extent, I kind of understand from if you are taking his standpoint in good faith, the idea that an abortion doctor, because unborn children are people, right, then that's a murderer.

Right. If, if so, if you believe that, if you truly believe that, I can understand why somebody murdering a, a murderer to you, right, a state sanctioned murderer is a positive moral act. Yeah. Um, but no, well, I'm going to go with a hard no on that one. The, the, um, the other problem that I have with that is the title abortion doctor is silly because that's, that's suggesting that there are people or like this guy who got killed

is just like all day. I abort. That's all I do, baby. Can you get a, can you get a specialty specialty in med school of just abortions? I mean, I'm like, you don't have to learn about any diseases. You just have to learn about murdering. Maybe in their words, babies. I don't know.

I don't think so, but, uh, listen, listen, we got to move along with a lot of road to cover. Oh, okay. And the thing this, I'm derailing this whole thing. This next clip is super wild because back in 2009, Alex Jones's callers were either pitching their own stuff or calling him out for things. And in 2009, Alex Jones can handle criticism. Okay.

Listen to this guy call in. He sucks it up. Kind of. I mean, it's not good, but he can, he doesn't get mad. So I find you extremely difficult to believe most of what you say at this point. This, uh, Then why are you still listening? Blue thing.

You blew completely out of proportion. You said you were losing touch with your ability to think a couple of weeks ago. I think you should admit you're a right winger for one and quit saying you're trying to break the left, right paradigm. Hello. Now listen to him. Okay. And I, this guy called in Friday, uh, to your show, Jason was the host, but Jason was

real trite with the guy. The guy was going to disagree and he was going to say that you guys are, uh, you know, picking on Obama a whole lot more than Bush, which I totally agree with that. Good call. And I want to back that guy up, but Jason wouldn't, uh, really wouldn't listen to the guy. He just, uh, got really trite, really smart with him. And the guy ended up just kind of hanging up during the break and never got any points

out. But I would say that we're being bombarded with Obama being the tip of the spear. Uh, I mean, Bush wasn't the tip of the spear. He was kind of like a good old boy who you kind of liked underneath, you know, you're kind of like. If you kill him, you get a statue. I don't want to say that mining mercury, mining gold causes mercury poisoning. Are you familiar with this?

I know that. Yeah. There's, I know there's a lot of mining. Yeah. My products. Yeah. The, the, the two deepest mines in the world, gold mines are in South Africa. I'm not sure what is happening.

What is happening? It was like a hundred and seventy seven blacks, fried in a gold mine in South Africa and sir, sir, I appreciate your call. Listen, I gave you about two minutes to run on there and say I'm a right winger. I'm not a right winger or a left winger. So he just, he like, no, I disagree with you, but doesn't get mad at him. He lets him speak. I also feel like midnight in the garden of good evil is trite.

I feel like that's troublesome. We haven't seen it yet, but I'm guessing there'll be a musical about Hamilton. That's right. That's right. I mean, like, uh, that is an unheard of amount of time. Time for criticism to be allowed on the air these days. Oh, and even if Alex Jones did let someone say that many, like pretty critical negative words about him and accurate, you know, like you're way more Obama than you were against

Bush. Oh, that sort of thing. He would come back from it and start fucking screaming at him. Oh, of course. Just like he has that commercial even plays where he screams at that Frank guy, Frank, I need your help, Frank, right, that he always makes jokes about the first, the first thing that he would say in response to this now is like, I understand your criticism. I'm not saying that I'm treating him differently because he's black and you'd be like, he didn't,

he didn't point that out. He would change. He'd create a strong man version of the complaint. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and to some extent he still is because he's claiming that he's not, uh, uh, right winger, which I mean, he's, his soul lives on the right, um, super hard. So at the end of this episode, his soul lives on the white Dan at the end of this episode,

we get a delightful appearance from one, Jesse Ventura, Hey, Jesse Ventura comes in and they have a nice time having a chat. Uh, Jesse is smart and he's, he's making independent minded opinions and people keep, uh, bringing up points. Uh, and he's just like, well, how would you do that? He was talking about like, uh, dumb policy ideas and then he's like, well, logistically, what do you think that would look like? And people have no answer.

It's amazing. Um, I love Jesse Ventura every time he shows up on the show. Yeah. It's fantastic. With the exception of that, uh, like Chris Kyle saga, I've liked everything. Yeah. Every one of his appearances.

That's a good point. Um, he gets Alex to, uh, admit that he supports the opening up of Cuba. Right. Back in 2009, Alex was for the idea of opening up Cuba. He was against it when it happened. And then they talk a bunch about how man cow had recently done a publicity stunt where he allowed himself to be water. There's a piece of shit.

No, he doesn't really say that. I think he's kind of on board with man cow, uh, but they talk about how man cow had been. Uh, he, do you remember this? He got waterboarded as a publicity stunt. I do remember that. And he lasted like two seconds and was like, no, this is fucking torture. This is bullshit. Oh, fuck.

Yeah. All the things that I believe for a long time aren't true. Right. Right. And so they talk a bit about that. And uh, Jesse Ventura was like, of course it is. Like I didn't, I don't need to do that to know that, uh, it's, uh, it's pretty nonsensical. A lot of it's not really even worth listening to, but there's one clip that I think, uh,

elevates to the level of greatness, uh, where we learned something very important about Alex. Okay. I tell you, servings very addictive, isn't it, Jesse? Yes, it is. And it's very, it's very difficult and people don't realize that it's a life dedication. And I love to say this. People are that dedicated to a religion?

Would they call them religious bombs? I'm as brown as a coconut from the beach. I love the beach itself. We'll be right back. That's a top 10 throw. There you go. There you go. That is a top 10 throw to break solid.

I'm as brown as a coconut from the beach. I love the beach itself. We'll be right back. It's free show. We were talking to AC Slater and that is an AC Slater move right now. No doubt. That's Lopez Ian. Oh yeah.

I love that. That's very fun. Uh, and that brings us to the end of June 1st. Now we go to June 2nd. Um, and there's, this shows a lot of, it's a, it's a lot of hot garbage. There's not a lot going on. Alex, Alex, I'm still on hold. Um, he, he starts the show off with an interview with man cow, uh, about this publicity stunt

that he had done. And, uh, Alex is like, I think I should die. I should get waterboarded. See how long I can make it. And like you're just trying to get a runoff ability out of this. Yeah. Yeah. It's not worth listening to it all.

Also, you're too much of a weakling. You probably last 10 seconds. Oh no. You wouldn't do it. Yeah, probably not. He's afraid. Also, no, because he's seen man cow fail so miserably at it. He has to realize I'm probably going to fail too.

And if I fail super fast, I'm fucked. And Alex's stated position at this point is already that it's torture. So he has nothing, he has nothing to really prove about it other than, yep. Yeah. Which he could just say based on man cow's video. But anyway, man cows on it, it's not worth listening to it all except for this small clip. Eric man cow Muller, syndicate a radio talk show host, Sally, that's right.

Sally, we decided to start calling you Sally. You know, uh, I like when you spank me a call me Sally. You are something else. I was saying, should I call you Eric man cow Muller and you should call me whatever I want. I said, okay, I'll call you Sally and now your new name will be Sally. Whatever. How, how are you, Alex?

I was about to say something really horrible. You, you, you trouble. What was he going to say? He doesn't say, he never says, so, uh, Eric man cow, well, I wish I would have heard this before I was on man cow, and I just could have called him Sally. That would have been great. God damn it. He sucks.

Uh, but the rest of the interview is just the worst piece of shit. The rest of the interview is just him talking about his waterboarding and who cares? Um, a little bit later, he gets a visit from a guy named Mike Rivera, uh, who does a show called, uh, what happened with, I believe is the name of it. It's another show. Bad title. Uh, it's another show on the GCN radio network, Genesis communications, uh, stuff. He got kicked off the, uh, the radio network.

Too much happened. He got, he got kicked off. Let me find, uh, I got to pull the vamp for a second here because I got to find the exact quote. I'm there for a second. Uh, coming up next month in May, I will be in Z80s all month, six nights a week. This is not what I meant by vamping. I'll, I'll, this is Z80 downtown Chicago.

It's terrible. I'm not, I'm not vamping. I'm not going to vamp for you. It's terrible. What do you, what do you, what do you want me to do it? Jesse Ventura impression. I've already failed miserably at that. Couldn't hurt.

And he was a host on the Genesis communications network. The show is called what really happened with, uh, he was a host until about 2010 when he left according to him because he and Alex Jones did not see eye to eye on Israel. So what really happened, Dan, Mike is staunchly anti-Israel and felt that Alex was becoming more and more pro Israel as time went on. His statement about moving the show off the Genesis communications network included the following quote GCN is a reflection of Alex Jones's views on the world and more and more our points of view regarding Israel are diverging.

I guess the breaking point was his rant in which he said that anyone who is a critic of Israel is a weak minded fool. So he's a guy who, uh, that's in his future at this point when he's on the show at this point, there's still buddies, uh, and, uh, what have you, but, uh, they have a breaking point over, uh, relative levels of support for Israel, which is where, where are we at now with Alex's support of Israel? Um, pro, he's pro. He's pro Israel.

Yeah. But I think it's more, he couches, but like in a vague way, right? He couches it more as, uh, like they're one of the only nationalistic countries left in the same way he supports Russia because he views them as one of the only nationalistic countries left. Okay. Um, so he has sort of like, so he's a big fan of governments that murder people for no good reason.

Mysteriously, that seems to be all the anti-globalist countries really seems to be nice. Like the, the guy who has, has he said anything about the guy who was elected in Hungary? No. He avoids any, uh, any of that sort of conversation. Yeah. I would too if I were Alex. So anyway, uh, Mike Rivera was on and it's a boring interview, but he does see one thing that I think is worth noting and it's kind of, whoo.

Alex would never allow something like this on the show now. I don't think every major war was ultimately lost by the country that started it. So guess where that sets us up? I'm not surprised. Our soldiers are committing suicide and such numbers. They know they're the bad guys. Whoa. Wow.

Whoa. That was that intense. I don't think Alex would allow someone to say something like that about, uh, soldiers now. I think he's so pro military and cop now that he wouldn't allow that sort of shit. At this point in 2009, and not because it's wrong, no, not because historically that's the dumbest shit you can say. If you looked at every single war that's ever been fought and tried to figure out, uh, did

the aggressor win or lose? Well, you have to, cause he said major war, which means he's classifying the wars that he thinks are major and all other wars. Like what? World war one. Right. No, I get. He's, he's talking about what?

Three wars? Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. Is he classifying the Korean war and the Vietnam war as major wars? Police action. Um, I don't know, but I do think that it's a sort of very, at least distasteful thing to say that of course these soldiers killed themselves.

They know they're the bad guys. Even from my position, I think that's not a good thing to like, that's not a good position to hold. Hmm. I don't know. Hmm. What? No, no, no, no.

Hold on. Before, before I, I get into any trouble for my position. It's just, uh, I don't think it's because they know they're the bad guys. I think there's a different way to phrase a similar sentiment in terms of like, uh, PTSD and grief and guilt about things that you're made to do or survivors guilt, your, your friend died. And so you feel like you should have been there to save him. Right.

Cause in, in this position, the way he's presenting it is like good, kill yourselves. You're the bad guys. Yeah. He's the Westboro Baptist church. That's, that's ugly. Um, and this is kind of ugly too. This next clip, uh, I think Alex is expressing an opinion that it's pretty cool to kill cops.

Okay. Or I mean, I'm not saying like my generation or even if it's beyond my generation, I can't, you know, isn't going to have to make sacrifices. If you're going to have a, have a revolution, if you want to, what's going to happen? People are going to try to see PS people's kids and it's happening more and more. I see it in the news every week and people are just going to kill them and cops are going to stop people at a checkpoint and the citizens are just going to get out and it's already starting to happen and the, and the media kind of keeps it quiet.

Uh, but you see the reports all the time. It's usually old vets, Korean war, Vietnam, uh, most of them are dead now, but I've, they've had a couple of cases in Austin where World War two vets to get pulled over and harassed by cops in Hays County and the, and the old vetted just get out and kill them. You know, it's like, buddy, I'm not your slave. This is Nazi Germany. You're dead. And you know, the cop can argue about that all day and have the media say the old man

was bad, but at the end of the day, there's going to be a lot of blood and the system knows that and you know, and look, if we're self sufficient, they can't beat us. That's why they want to shut down the farms and ranches and get control. That's very weird. Wow. Yeah. That's too far for me. That's justifying murdering cops, but Nana's like, do you, I check these are white people

murdering cops. Right. So it's that, that should be important. It's fine. I mean, that is, let's, let's point out these are 100% white people murdering cops in Alex's worldview. Now we got to skip right ahead to the third. That's it for the second.

The third is where we're going to focus third is where we get the whitest. The third is where we're going to focus most of our attention. No, this is a refutation of what you're saying. Now Alex says something about the cops negatively to start out the third. Now granted, I don't like the way he keeps saying blacks in this clip, but listen to the spirit of this clip and think about what you were just saying. According to one of the local talk stations and a caller calls in and talks about how blacks continue to be killed shot in the back, homeless blacks, retarded blacks, autistic

blacks, you can stop in their cars at night and there's always an excuse for why it happens. And the squad car videos always malfunction and then we always find out, oh, it didn't malfunction. And then they say, oh, but he had a gun. Then you read the news article closely at the bottom. It says no officers thought he reached for a gun. Just just deception. Look at that.

Look at that. Look at that position. Holy shit. Look at that position that Alex Jones has been kneeling for the national anthem this whole fucking time. I mean, in 2009, he has a position of the cops are trying to cover up murdering black people pretending that they have guns, which is an accurate depiction of, I mean, there was just the other day that guy in Brooklyn with a showerhead.

I don't know how to deal with this. It's very, very weird. He's dead on. Right. Now he's dead on like not even like, not even like wrong, except for some of the languages uncomfortable. It's not great. It's not great, but his sentiment is there, right, which we can appreciate it.

It's not even like he's, it's not even like we normally agree with him where he's right in the wrong way. He's dead on. This is 100% accurate. Cops are murdering black people and they are covering it up and that's, that's something that needs to stop. Yep. It was a problem in 2009.

It's still a problem, but Alex has changed his tune. It was a problem in fucking 1860. Alex has changed his tune aggressively since then and now has his aggressively pro military and pro cop positions. And I think that's because he's been told perhaps that that's his big audience base or whatever. Well, is it, is it that or is it, does it really just come down to team sports? I don't know.

Like was it, was it possible for the right wing to also at this time be like, Hey, cops shouldn't be killing people. And then it became a thing where a black person talked about it and they can't abide by that. I mean, it's possible. I, one of the things that I hope to track as we go, as we go forward in 2009, I have, I have a subtle reason for why I, well, it's not subtle. I have a bigger reason for why I'm doing this, but one of the other reasons is I want to

figure out like his trajectory as it relates to like at this point being very anti military and anti cop. Yeah. And see where that changes. I think it's because of Obama. Well, of course it is. I think it's just because Obama's president and he thinks that all of them are tools of Obama's machinations and what have you, but I don't know if that's the case.

So I'm going to, I'm going to follow that moving forward. So his, his, so if I understand correctly kind of what your point of view is on this one is that maybe the reason that he's against the military and the cops right now is because ultimately he believes it's headed by a black person. Maybe. And when it becomes headed by a white person, it's fine. I don't think it's that simple, but I don't know, I don't know if that plays into it. I don't know if we'll ever be able to answer that question either.

I don't know. Well, we've already answered that. He's a racist. Right. Right. No doubt. But I don't, I don't know if we can, I don't, I don't know if he could even answer that question.

That's a good point. Um, but I, I know that like one of the things that fascinates me the most is like things that are different, you know, like black water, he was against it in 2009, loves Eric Prince now. Yeah. That's easy to explain. It's Trump. That's, that's simple, but that's a huge giving up of your principles.

In this case, I'm, I'm very fascinated in where did the pivot go of like cops are evil. They're supporting a terrible system to, uh, love cops. Sometimes you got a bad one, but it's very rare. Right. That's sort of rhetoric. I don't know. And we'll see. Um, but he goes on, uh, to talk about another caller speaking of which a weird, a thought

that just popped into my mind as far as Alex talking about right now in 2009. How many abortions do you think Trump has paid for? Hmm. Hmm. No idea. Hold on to that thought though. A lot. Hold on to that thought.

A bunch. We got to get through this next clip first. Perhaps a barrel even. A grip of them. Yes. Um, in this next clip, he goes on talking more about this radio show he was listening to. Yeah.

Uh, where it is talking about these African Americans who've been shot by the police. He talks about a caller and I think that she's just a racist, but he has a different, all right. He has a different position on her. Strange. You see, these good old boys think they're part of the system. They think they're the winners. They think they're protected from all of this.

And then I heard a woman call in right after them going, yeah, I think we got too many minorities and she was serious. She said, I'm glad they're killing them. You see that stupid fat soccer mom thinks she's part of the establishment. She's a eugenicist. What? You can run into them. I get their emails and their calls and I've had them snidely say stuff to me.

You know, if you go to a school function or something, they say, well, there are too many people. Alex will listen here. Know it all control freak. Kill yourself then. Okay. Don't sit there in the minority neighborhoods and tell 17 year old pregnant girls, if you'll have an abortion, we'll drop this marijuana charge on you.

And that's what goes on coast to coast. That doesn't track. That doesn't track. I don't understand. Those all just buzz marketing for coast to coast area. Where's the start? Where's the start point? Where's the end point?

And how do they get there? No idea. I don't know what he's talking about there at the end, but I do know that what he's describing is just a racist caller on an AM talk show. Right. And she's a eugenicist. She's a eugenicist. She's part of that.

She thinks she's a part of this imagined system that I'm afraid of because that's... Short leash. That is still in place in 2009. Right. That part of his cosmology has existed throughout this entirety. So in the same way that I'm interested in things that are different, I'm also very interested in things that are the same. And this idea that there's this eugenicist plan by the elites and stuff, that's consistent.

But this is almost a cover story, I think, now. Because the concept that he's putting forth here is that the globalists are trying to divide us through race. Right. Right. That's his idea there. I think if I understand correctly. There is a bit of that, yeah.

So now he says the same thing, but he's dividing us by race. So he's kind of got that consistent lie going on. But he just stopped talking about it, or explaining it, and he seems passionate whenever he's describing her as being a globalist eugenicist. Well, because he sees... He seems like he cares about it in a way that he doesn't now. But it's also because he sees his imagined enemies everywhere, in the same way that he talks about being at the grocery store, and someone's face turns into a demon.

And what have you. And stuff like that. Well, yeah, but that happens. Like, what was he? What was he in an Aldi? Look, I was at a Mariano's the other day. That's actually kind of classist. Yeah, exactly.

That's why I went Mariano's. Mariano's is a way better go. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. It's very weird. But the thing that I think is interesting too is if you listen to that clip, that like, Oh, you want other people to die? Why don't you kill yourself first?

That's fun. That sounds like a thing I would say. That's the open. What we just listened to is the open Mike version of the bit that he did on air, like the other day in 2018, where he's screaming about like, kill yourself, I curse you. And shit like that. He's just when he's he's right, he's tooling up the bit. He's fleshed out the bit.

And now he has the showcase version in 2018, we get to see the raw long. It's too long for a bit. It's quite a while. I would let that bit go. Yeah. I would let that bit go. So you asked a second ago, how many abortions do you think Trump has paid for? And I don't know.

I can't answer that. But I do know that Alex in 20 20 plus right in 2018, Alex has said that he has paid for at least 10. So we do know that, which is interesting to hear this in 2009. And I'll tell you this, the citizens are out of control. The society's out of control. And you've got 50 plus million dead babies because people kill their own kids, their own future, their own treasure, because they're too lazy to use contraception and because

they're too lazy to edit the baby, that's out of control. And even if you don't believe in God and karma or your report just so you better believe in the law of the universe. Okay. So I mean, like, what the I mean, what are you going to do, you know, this is every Catholic priest. Yeah, this is this is denying other people morality whilst you do as I say, not as I do.

Right. It's just interesting that at this point in his career, he's not ready to open up in the same way that he is now, whether he doesn't have as much power as he does. Probably. I'm sure he feels a lot less touchable. That's true. And I think if you were to in the middle of that rant, where he's judging people for being too lazy to use contraception, if you were to say, I'm guilty.

I've had 10 abortions, then I think that would have really hurt him in 2009. Whereas now, I mean, people just I mean, in 2009, I give him what six, I would say in the intervening nine years, he's paid for at least four more. No, because in 2009, he's married to Kelly, like he's he's yeah, Dan, they had three kids together. Uh, yeah, but they weren't fucking illegitimate kids. No, no, I understand that. But I don't think I think at that point he's married and he's settled down.

I would say that all of them, all of the abortions that he has had, whether or not that number is exaggerated were in his younger years. At most, at most, I will give you eight at this time and two in the intervening nine years. I'd say 10 before zero after taking bets also in the bracket. Yes. That's for sure. We got some prop bets going surprise, surprise winner.

Alex has had 10 abortions before being married the first time we're going to have just an elaborate book, a gambling book on this about Alex Jones's, uh, conception record. Um, you can bet on anything in Britain, so Jordan, in the same way that Alex probably would have been hurt by that information in 2009, whereas he's not hurt by it now. Yes. There's another difference in 2009 that's very interesting that I could not have imagined. Was he thinner? No, I, there's no video of this.

I'm just looking to audio, but maybe he was a little bit, I don't know. I don't know. Um, back, back then, one of his sponsors is soap, Calben soaps. I really was hoping you would just full stop soap the soap industry soap, uh, Calben soap or, uh, Calben soap, Calben, I think, Calben, five star soaps. All right. Um, eventually he went on to leave the soap industry and, uh, go with ice cream with his friend, Cal Jerry.

Just to the chat room, um, uh, they're asking why I think he hasn't had abortions since he got married. I guess there is a little bit of, uh, uh, I don't even know what you'd call it purity bias on my part. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that given that they had three kids, you still believe in love. Maybe that's kind of what you believe in, Dan.

I don't know, but it's a few, that's a very cute thought at the same time in no, at no point am I saying this in any judgmental way. Like if you, I'm not being judgmental at all, right? I, and I, I'll admit my, uh, my slight bias there. I've paid for 46 abortions. That's four more than the answer to the question of what is life? The universe and everything back to soap. So Alex has a soap sponsor.

Yes. And in order to have him be a sponsor of the show, Alex makes clear that part of the deal is that the owner of the soap company gets to be a guest on his show once a month. All right. All right. I want to know the owner of the soap company. Well, you're going to get to what is this? And what is the soap company owner believe?

Well, here's, uh, here's Alex, uh, introduce, like trying to get into, uh, this, this guest appearance, I guess this is the only soap to defend against nine 11, um, you know, side issue, but I want to get into the soap, but it all ties into that government's mind war, eugenics war. Okay. Okay. It all ties into the soap. I want to get into the soap.

The government is out of control. It all ties into the soap though. I want to get into the soap, but this is all related. Let me talk to you about Hitler. How do you get to the bottom of the story? You follow the soap. Absolutely. That's number one rule.

Number one rule. Oh man. That's crazy. Um, so he, he tries to get into some of his narratives with the soap guy and it doesn't work out. Here we go. It doesn't work that well. Let's see it.

Um, eugenics. I see the chemicalization of everything part of the eugenics. I know it is. Have you ever looked into Margaret Sanger and the Colgate Foundation and all of that? No. Yeah. It's, it's, it's pretty hardcore. Well, regardless, tell us what on record the detergents and toxic subs are doing to

us. I fucking love this is sad. No. All right. Tell us about soap then. Tell us about what's wrong with detergent. So they have a little talk about detergent. Oh, please more, please more of that.

This guy is like, uh, hey, you know, they put, uh, they talk about, uh, sodium chloride being in soap and everybody's like, Oh, what is this chemical? It's table salt and they use it as just a filler. We don't use it as a fill. It's all a fucking ad for his soap. Yeah. Of course it is. And it gets to this.

Hard no to that question. You're out. It gets to this. Our guarantee is that is fetching guaranteed or double your dirt back. Explain some of the chemicals that are in the soaps and hair care products and all the crud people use. I know I washed my hair after looking at weights this morning with Calben shampoo. Good on air read.

That is smooth. Beautiful. Beautiful. Silky smooth. I know I washed my hair this morning after lifting weights because I'm a strong man. Oh, with Calben shampoo, he does do that little pause and then just put some English on it. It's gorgeous.

Um, so it, God, I want, I want this Alex back. This is, this is a, Alex, if you're listening, God damn it, come back to this. This is a sad Alex because what you're seeing is, um, a guy who has to allow this in order to be sponsored, you know, like I, I want sponsors badly in terms of allowing us to continue doing this without me needing to, I'll give them a call. Yeah. But I would, I would never, I would never talk about your time working for the Alex Jones show.

No. I would, I would never accept that as a stipulation of sponsorship and it's clear. Alex does make clear that part of the sponsorship is he's on once a month. Yeah. Doesn't seem happy about it. Of course not. This is a Mike down clip. Listen to that.

This is how the interview ends. Okay. Or five star soap.com or Calben pure soap.com Marty, give me a quick limerick. There was a young lady of Kent who said that she knew what it meant when men asked her to die, gave her cocktails and wine. She knew what it meant, but she went Marty Schachter. That wasn't even a fun liverick. It was bad.

I was shit. There was shit, but then there's so much fun there because you've got the long pause and then Alex. All right. All right. All right. Great stuff. Great stuff, kid.

All right. Great stuff. That's a quick liverick. That's a fascinating glimpse into 2009 Alex. I fucking love it. He's being subjected to this in order to survive. Give me a quick limerick is my favorite sentence Alex has ever said. And it's clear.

I mean, you could pick up from context clues that like that I got to ask him for a liverick. Yeah. No, he has to because that's what this guy is known for improvising limericks off the top of his head. And that goes out to the bar and everybody's like, Oh, give us a limerick. You asshole. And that's what he wants to do. He wants to go on air and do a limerick.

He doesn't want to talk about. Of course. No, he doesn't give a shit about soap either. He just wants to talk limericks on air. Absolutely. Love it. So in 2009, something happened, Larry Nichols. You would be back on the show if you did limerick.

You just figured out a way to talk about how you're not a duck just give me some limericks. So something happened in 2009 about Alex and it's one of the few times that he's been shook. Okay. There's people who are making claims about him. First of all, the people who attack him are shitheads. You need to know that. That's a first start.

And in this next clip, he gets into it in a way that he usually doesn't address public criticism, but this one, he has to a lot of these folks that attack me aren't just government operatives or just info agents. They didn't have great parents like I did. I didn't have a lot of experiences. I did. They bring me to the point I'm at. I love this rock, but I do have to answer some of the charges.

Occasionally that you got it, the police state control grid coming up next hour. Absolutely. Phones up as well. I tell you in emails about this in the last few months and I thought it was a joke. So I ignored it, but it seems to have picked up steam and I want you seriously to try and guess what he's talking about. You know, I want to go with Israel or something like that, but I feel like that's not going to be the way I want to go with it's something that he's deeming serious enough to address

on air. Right. It's a criticism that for months, people have been emailing him about. You know what? I am going to go with that's not the best way to hide your guns. That's interesting. That's not it. And so I guess I might as well at least chime in on it.

It just really gets ridiculous and hot dogs are not a sandwich credits us. This is why mainstream people laugh when they hear you question the government. One more. Still have no idea. One more chance. The first is tofu because the media is smart. They focus in on the out and out cooks, the out and out nuts, the people that are just saying absolutely insane, ridiculous things.

They certainly are now the rest of us who are questioning the official government story that's almost always a lie or at least partially alive. It's always spent at least Florida look stupid. They do this guilt by association and you know, none of us are perfect. So I try not to be judgmental fair, but it there are tens of thousands of sites or pages that come up saying, I'm Bill Hicks, believe it, big websites have it up and have our pictures side by side and really say I'm Bill Hicks. And you know, it's, it's almost crazy to come on air and say, it is a little crazy.

I'm not Bill Hicks and in a way, it only encourages it a little to come on air and say, I'm not a reptoid because people blow up videos of me where there's two point light in front of me. And you know, that puts to the image of two lights on each side of my eyes. It makes it look like I have cat's eyes. What? What? Yeah.

So that one makes sense. So just before you respond to that, about a minute later, he makes an official statement. But I'm not going to belabor it. I just need to answer it on record and say, are you Bill Hicks? No, I'm 35 years old and I was born in Parkland Hospital in Dallas, Texas. And I am not Bill Hicks. Bill Hicks did not stage his death. That's a very mean thing to say.

True. I've even talked to some of his family and I know I'm a Bill really did die folks. I mean, I think it is a mean thing to say in terms of like Bill Hicks his own life. Right. Like if you have any respect for Bill Hicks, it's an insult to say that he's Alex Jones now. I mean, some of his later specials weren't that great. No, that's definitely true.

I mean, but it's the same thing with pretty much any comic. Um, so that's for what George Carlin, George Carlin, some of those letters. All right. Good point. Good point. Middle specials weren't great either. But look, dude, this is fascinating to me because he wouldn't, he wouldn't fucking air this kind of shit now, or he would have come up with a better spin on it than just, I'm

not Bill Hicks. Maybe that's his distraction now. Maybe he should go back to being like people still think I'm Bill Hicks. Oh, he does that from time to time. Yeah. He has done that. Like he's gone back to the well as like his satire pieces where he'll play with that, that meme.

Right. Which, which should be the easiest way to tell he's not Bill Hicks. His satire is garbage. It's pretty bad. There's no grasp on what satire is. Even at his worst, Bill Hicks was better at satire than Alex. But it's wild, man. In 2009, he saw fit to make a big production out of saying like this is how they invalidate

you. Every time the mainstream media gets a hold of somebody questioning the government story on 9 11, they just keep calling him Bill Hicks. Right. Every single one of them. And at the same time, Glenn Beck, I would say Bill Glenn Beck Hicks. I would say that if he was Bill Hicks, kind of makes him more legitimate. You know, right?

If it was like, all right, look, I tried to play a little charade, but it's important to me and I just didn't want my past work to be involved in my present work. Right. I created new identity for myself. Also, I faked my own death. That was a big part of that. That's not a big deal. It's a weird thing to admit on air.

I don't think it's a crime. It might be a crime. Probably a tax crime. Also, I was the plane hijacker. DB Cooper. DB Cooper. Right. All of these things.

D. Bill Hicks Cooper. So now at this point, we get to Alex Jones, giving us a list of globalists. And that's interesting. All right. Remember this story from a week or two ago and ABC News reported it first and said, yes, secret meeting of the world elite to carry out eugenics. But they said it's a good thing billionaire club and bid to curb overpopulation through a world government.

And it has to be secret, they say, for your own good. And it's Bill Gates. It's David Rockefeller. It's Warren Buffett. It's Michael Bloomberg. It's Oprah Winfrey. Ted Turner, all the suspects. And they met at Rockefeller University president's private home.

So you got a list there. Conspicuous in his absence, George Soros. Also Tina Turner. Right. Right. Another conspicuous, no, no, no, no, no, no, no globalist Tina Turner. Sure. How else do you get to know what nationalism got to do, got to do with it?

You know, I mean, this is, this is probably the larger picture of what I'm most interested in it and looking back on these episodes is when did George Soros show up, when did he come into play? Yeah, and you can see here, we already looked at that episode from 2006 with with Aaron Russo, right, talked about all this shit. No mention of Soros. And then he gave his entire documentary about the globalist agenda and their plan for enslavement.

No mention of Soros. And now here we are in 2009 and he's listing off globalists and no mention of Soros. Right. Now, I also want to be clear. I do know a little bit that I should just tell everyone ahead of time. I do know that in 2010, Glenn Beck does a two part two night special about how George Soros is the puppet master.

And it's one of the most anti-Semitic, nonsensical things that has ever been aired on television. Yes, I recall that. It got incredible blowback. Yeah. And my working theory, and we will see if this is the case. I'm not entirely sure, but I am suspicious that Alex Jones got on the Soros tip a little bit before that.

And that's why he's pissed off at Glenn Beck. You think so? Yeah, that Glenn Beck ripped that off. And that, that, because that kind of. Elevated Glenn Beck in those weird crazy circles. You know what? I'm actually going to go with the opposite. I'm going to go with, this is our QAnon situation all over again, and he gets

to Soros a little bit after Glenn Beck because he sees Glenn Beck getting all this attention. Right. So then he jumps on Soros and that's why he's pissed off at Glenn Beck is because he doesn't get to take credit for it. Either of these things are possible and we'll see as it plays out because neither of us know. No, that's true.

We have hunches and we'll see. Um, so in this so far, mine have all been wrong and yours tend to be right. There we go. I mean, it's just by virtue of the fact that I have a mind meld with this dumb asshole. Yeah, I know. It's a very strange thing. So in this next clip, Alex brings up one of his favorite sources about, uh, the

transhumanist, uh, eugenics future. Uh, and it's just fun to listen to, uh, because it's so wrong. It's, he's just making shit up. It's so fun. It's so fun to know for sure that even in 2009, he was just making shit up. Okay. You know, Bill Joy of Sun Microsystems, I always plug key things that are well known.

There's thousands of things we could plug. April issue, 2000 of wired magazine, why the future doesn't need us. And he said, I went to a top tech private conference with 200 top tech leaders sworn to secrecy, the Ted, I can't say the names. This is the guy worth four billion bucks at that time. You know, they were fun, but infrastructure companies out there for IT. Sun Microsystems. And he says it was very upsetting.

It was how do we kill everybody? Or do we just call most of the people and let them be entertained by the new technocracy and the elites were killing everybody. Alex is making that part up too. And then he goes on to quote Theodore Kazinsky. Why did Kazinsky, this, this, this professor, this doctor admitted LA Times reports, CIA operative, he quits, runs to the bush and starts bombing people for a decade, bombing key and people over key technocracies.

I'm not defending what he did, but that's a real environmentalist. Kazinsky said, my God, they're planning to create a total grid, create a new species of humanoids. What the elites say they're doing, merging with cybernetics and getting rid of most of us. He said, I got to, I got to go kill these people. So real quick, Ted Kazinsky was crazy. So, so did Alex just come on air and be like, the Unibomber had some good ideas, man. That's all I'm saying.

And then later he's, he's the guy at the party. You do not want to be anywhere near. He's drew Michael's bit. He's drew Michael's bit. Yeah. Um, I forgot about that. That's not a bad bit. It's not a bad bit.

It's not a bad bit. Um, so the, the, the couple of things that I want to point out is that the quote in that article, uh, why the future doesn't need us from Ted Kazinsky is all Alex Jones read because all of the other stuff that he's talking about, about like the people, like, uh, killing us off and stuff like that, the elites making a decision whether or not that's all from the Ted Kazinsky quote in the article, he's taking that as being Bill Joy's position, which it is not. If you go to our website, knowledgefight.com, I have an entire big write

up that I've done on Bill Joy, why the future doesn't need us and why Alex Jones is full of shit. You can find a link to the actual article. It's kind of long, but it's worth it. It's enjoyable, uh, but it, uh, explains very thoroughly annotated, uh, version of the Unabomber's quote manifesto. Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. Did you do the whole thing? We just have the whole thing up there on our website. Um, be a thing that I might do. So this, the, for, for my next blog post, I'm just going to put up Ted Kazinsky's Unabomber manifesto and be like, eh? Question mark. Exactly.

Um, shrugging emoticon. Um, this next clip is weird. Uh, I think it matches up with some of Alex's ideas in the present, uh, but I don't, I don't know where he's getting any of this information from and it's super fucked up and also a little bit. When's Larry Nichols coming to play? He's not around as far as I know, no Steve Pacanek, no Roger Stone. We're, we're going bare bones.

Alex Jones making up shit whole clock. I mean, Ventura is around, but I mean, in terms of people we know in his world have been around for a long time. Bill Hicks is there. Uh, I don't know. I don't know. It's tough. I don't know.

Those guys might be around. I just haven't come into an episode of them yet, but, uh, this clip, very weird and, and white. They have social workers that ask them questions under desk or mommy and daddy spanking you. Are they yelling at you because we've got a nice foster home, especially if you're blonde haired and blue eyed like this little girl, she better be careful. Um, because they can get half a mill for them.

So, uh, and, and, and people can't believe this is happening. I had a senator on a few weeks ago from Georgia where she was naming names of where there are bounties. We need this many blonde hair, blue eyes this week. I don't believe this. And they got Walmart employees. Everybody watching you yell at your kid, boom, police are there. Take them.

They're gone. They get half a mill. Walmart gets a few grand out of it. And I showed you USA today was Walmart and pizza places and everybody run your criminal background when you pay with a credit card. And then you wonder why cops pull you over when you leave the parking lot. They've got the whole grid in place. I wait.

So does Walmart get the commission on the kidnapped kid or on the catching of the kidnapped now? See, I'm, I'm more curious about, does the employee or Walmart LLC? Oh, Walmart LLC. Come on. They don't treat their work to the, they don't treat their workers well at all. Now maybe the employee gets a little bit of a cash kickback, but come on. This to me is like, this is just indicative of a million and they only

get a few thousand dollars. That's a bad negotiating tactic. That's about finders fee. Yeah. Absolutely. This, this, this to me is like the perfect encapsulation of the Alex Jones narratives you don't need to look into. I can't see why.

Well, there's a lot that I like to research and this is not the kind of thing I like to research because I can just, I just smell it. I'm like, nah, see, this is because here's why. This is the only type of thing I want to research because I really want to find out, enjoy, like my main goal is to find out that Walmart does get a finders fee. Well, cause like, if, if there was a Senator who was making these claims, did you have a Senator from Georgia online? I didn't listen to the week before this.

I might have to go back to, why would you, why would you say that you have a Senator from Georgia and not say the name? He lies a lot. You should remember that. Even in 2009, he's lying a lot. Fair. Um, but like, if a Senator was making these sorts of allegations, they'd at least get looked into and it would be pretty easy to figure out a paper trail

of kidnapped kids kickback to wall Walmart. Well, yeah, are they getting paid by a check? Let's be easy to catch that fucking clear that Walmart is a billion dollar company. They don't give a fuck about $2,000 for helping kidnap children. When you got such a low overhead on children kidnapping, that's pure profit. Damn. So it all adds up. So absolutely ridiculous.

You, you build your, you build your empire on the small things, Dan. Well, what, I think what you really come down to and that by that, I mean kids. Alex, Alex resents the idea of child protective services, which to me is like, I don't know, I don't know why you don't want abused children to have resources because he does all of the things that the CPS says you shouldn't do. Well, I don't know. I mean, he puts his son on air, making spurious accusations and aggressive and violent gun rights debate in 2018.

He's the, he's the person who says he has his kids involved in a transphobic satire video. Right. That's not great at one point. I'm sure he spanks them very, very aggressively. It's possible. I don't know. We can't make those sorts of claims.

He's just doing the version of the guy who's like, well, they hit me when I was a kid and I turned out fine. Sure. Sure. And your answer to that should be like, well, some of you turn out to be Alex Jones. So maybe fucking figure it out. But, but the thing I, I mean, sure. But what I want to talk more about is the idea that like this, this child protective

service is evil or weird because they're asking kids who were, um, they come into their purview, uh, are you okay? Right. Uh, I don't think that's an evil thing at all. I think that's them doing their job. The idea of like asking, does mommy hit you? Does daddy hit you? Right.

That sort of thing is giving kids a chance to be saved from abuse. Uh, uh, if Alex is against that cause the sanctity of the family or whatever, I got to say, I a hundred percent disagree with that, but be that as, what would you say, what, what would you say to a CPS social worker that asked you that question? Say you are eight or nine, if I was a kid, yeah, I'd say no. Right. Yeah. I would say no too.

And I got the shit kicked out of me. Oh, well, okay. Well, we have slightly different, uh, fair enough, fair enough. Yeah. You were trained to say no. That's a good way of putting it. Whereas I've spare the rods, spoil the child by friend.

See, I've only realized that, uh, the, the spankings with a wooden spoon, uh, were bad as an adult. Yeah. I didn't realize that. No, no, no, no, I, I agree. I would have said the same thing. I wouldn't have articulated it back then, but be that as it may. That's my way of getting away from this uncomfortable territory.

Good call. We have a guest. He's helped both of us are fucked up. Yeah. We have a guest coming up. On this, uh, June 3rd, 2009 episode, let's do it. And this guest, this guest, did you ever wonder how Alex Jones met Jesse Ventura? No, well, I just assumed that they fucking, you're right.

I should have at least considered that for some reason. Alex Jones knowing Jesse Ventura has made the most sense of anything that this show has ever done is just like, Oh, they know each other. Of course they're buddies. Yeah, whatever. They were born in the same basket. Like, I don't know how, I don't know how else to say it today. We find out how he met Jesse Ventura.

Okay. And Kinky Freedman's set to announce he's running for God, at least that's what our producer will see. We will talk about it. That's coming up. Musician bestselling author. That's how I met Jesse Ventura. Kinky Freedman.

So separately, I guess that's not how I met Willie Nelson, Willie Nelson. I ran into it a movie showing and then he contacted us. What do you know about Kinky Freedman? I know the name I used to know a lot more, but that's one of those things where no matter how much you forget about somebody, you're never going to forget the name Kinky Freed, Freedman. Kinky Freedman is really cool. And he has no business being on Alex Jones' show, except that they're both,

both Texans and kind of dudes. That's all you need. I'm going to tell you a little bit about Kinky Freedman before we get into the interview. Let's do it. I want to know all about Kinky Freedman. In the 1970s, Kinky Freedman was in a parody country band called Kinky Freedman and the Texas Jew Boys.

He's already my favorite artist of all time. They played such songs as get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed. Fantastic. And his other weird Al should figure shit out. And his other hit, they ain't making Jews like Jesus anymore. He's Jewish. Oh, I get it. I get that.

He's celebrating his country Judaism. No, I get that. Yeah, I understand. It's a, it's a line. No, I know you're lying. Not too profile. I guess that Kinky Freedman was. Yeah.

So, um, he toured with Bob Dylan in 1976 on the Roland Thunder Review tour, right? And he was the musical guest on an episode of Saturday Night Live. They don't put Jesus's blood on the tracks like they used to. Yeah. I remember that tour. He was a musical guest on an episode of Saturday Night Live in 1976, where the host was Steve Martin.

How awesome is that? That's so cool. That's super cool. So after that, uh, after his music career ran its course, he started writing mystery novels. I wonder what happened. He was actually super successful. No, I, I, I, no, I mean, after his music, the part where after his music career ran its course, it's like, well, of course.

He played the Grand Old Opry. He, he, uh, I don't know if this is entirely true, but he claims to be the first full-blooded Jewish person who's ever played the Grand Old Opry. And that's possibly true. That's amazing. Yeah. Now I want to know more about Kinky Freedman. He played Austin.

Did they have any books about him in my local library? He wrote 15 of them. All right. Well, I'll read them. Probably even more than that. Cause he, he, after his musical career, he started writing mystery novels. This is great. And, uh, I love Kinky Freedman.

They featured a detective named Kinky Freedman. Yes. Yes. Who had finished up a musical career. It would only be better if the detective was named Angela Lansbury. No, that would be the only way. That'd be a great twist. That'd be a great twist.

Uh, Kinky Freedman was the character's name. He had been a musical, uh, guy in the South and then he, uh, moved to New York, started solving crimes with the help of his cat. Love it. I love this. I love this so much. Then in 2006, I love this so much. He ran for governor of Texas.

Of course. Uh, hoping, he was hoping to follow in the wake of Jesse Ventura becoming governor of Minnesota in 1999 and, uh, Schwarzenegger becoming California's governor in 2003. Kinky, I didn't see that coming. Ventura and Kinky were good friends. I love it. Of his, uh, of his political ambition, he wrote quote, my platform is to remember that when they went out searching for Sam Houston to try and persuade him to be

the governor and he was the greatest governor this state has ever had. Not true. Rumor has it that they found him drunk, sleeping under a bridge with the Indians. Like it. I'm a big fan of that. He sold shirts with his slogan Kinky 2006. Why the hell not? I love it.

That's a great slogan. He was an absolute showman. And on the campaign trail, he would say things like, quote, if I win, the first thing I'll do is demand a recount. And he promised that if elected the first Jewish governor of Texas, he would reduce the speed limit to 54.95, I love it. I love this man. He's so hilarious.

He's so funny. Please don't tell me he's an anti-Semite. Let me believe this is great. No, he, from everything I can, I mean, there's every time there's somebody great on the show, all it always winds up being, he's the only truly anti-Semitic Jew. I think all, I think that there is a, there's a little bit of a, like, how much, Hey, are you making out of your Judaism at the expense of Judaism?

Not enough. And that's kind of like, that's not a question I can answer. I think he's hilarious on the, on the list of things that I'm going to care about really hard. How much, Hey, Kinky Friedman made out of his Judaism, way down there. I've tried to find like horrible things about him and I can't find all that much. If you accept that he had a band called Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jew boys, you're fine.

Yeah. So the can't go wrong. So he, he ran this campaign and it was really fun, full of witticisms and Joie DeVieve, but he ended up getting 12.6% of the vote coming in fourth out of six candidates in the Texas governor race. That's a lot more than I kind of thought he would have gotten. Yeah. So although that's Ross Perot levels of crazy, awesome, fun lunacy.

Yeah. So although Kinky is a fun, ribald Texan, Alex should not like him. Absolutely not. Because Kinky is a very public about being friends with both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. He wrote in an article in Texas monthly about Clinton, quote, I was just minding my business one day, seven years ago, promoting my latest mystery novel at a book signing in Austin at Barnes and Noble.

That's the greatest sentence I've ever heard. I had just told the crowd that the reading and signing were free, but there would be a two latte minimum. A guy came up to me and said, quote, sign one for the president. I didn't think the book was really going to Bill Clinton. So I signed one of my standard inscriptions, yours in Christ or see you in hell and forgot about it. A little bit less fun.

Two weeks later, the postmaster in Medina brought me an express envelope and said in an excited tone, Kinky, you've got a letter from the white horse saloon. You know that place in Nashville where they do all the line dancing? I looked at the envelope. It did not say white horse. It said white house inside the envelope was a letter from president Clinton. And at the bottom he had written, I have now read all your books. More please.

I really need the laughs. And that was the beginning of a three year pen pal relationship during which we discussed many things from foreign affairs to more metaphysical matters. And Bill Clinton invites him to the white house. Tell me, tell me that Bill Clinton made foreign policy decisions based on Kinky Friedman thoughts. Maybe, I don't know. So then about Bush, quote, I first met George W.

Bush about four years ago at the Texas book festival. At the time he was just thinking about running for president and I was just thinking about having another Chavez regal. Yeah. This guy's great. I love this guy. He's a good writer. I love Kinky Friedman.

In a flash of misguided inspiration, I had taken Larry McMurtry's unclaimed name tag and slapped it on in a, in a matter of. This is great too. Fuck Larry McMurtry. In a matter of moments, people were coming up to me and telling me how much they admired my work, not wanting to burst their bubble and fairly hammered by then I played along. You've done so much for Texas.

Mr. McMurtry, one lady told me, love it. Thank you kindly. I replied the governor, having witnessed this little exchange. I, what was it? What was he a lonesome dove? He was a lonesome dove. He was the, the river book or I don't know all his work walk to rivers or whatever it is.

So George W. Bush eyes him quizzically at that point. Right. Look, governor, I said, McMurtry is a shy little booger. He never. He'd never do, he'd never do this for himself. I'm just helping the old boy out with a little PR George W. Bush laughed and whispered something to several of his aides, leading me to

believe I was soon to be 86 from the affair, but nothing happened. I asked one of the aides what he'd said and he told me the governor had said, I want that guy from my campaign manager. I love this George W. Bush. This is one of the few moments of pure joy. I've ever experienced on this show. George W.

Bush invites him to come to the White House, which he does. Of course. And so discussing his friendship with George W. Bush and he tells him about how Reagan got, uh, but fucked. I know, uh, discussing the friendships that he has with these two presidents. He says, quote, some might ask, particularly in the, in the, particularly in these days, how the president can afford to maintain such a lighthearted friendship.

The answer is particularly these days, everyone needs a laugh at George W. Bush. These days, everyone needs a laugh and everyone needs a friend. Also, as early as 2005, Kinky was saying in interviews that he did not believe that rifles should be allowed with magazines higher than five. So he's friends with two globalist presidents and believes in gun control, but because he's famous, Alex is totally cool. Of course.

And glosses past all of that defeats all of Alex's principles. Also, just to be clear, his name is Kinky, but it's not meant to be a dirty thing. That's not, uh, about like sexual Kinky. I didn't care one way or the other. It was a nickname given to him in college because of his curly hair. Interestingly, his nickname was given to him by a guy named, uh, George H.W. Bush.

No, it's my name. Chinga Chavin, who would mysteriously also go on. Nope. You can't get cooler. Stop it. This person would also go on to be a parody country artist. No. They released an album called country porn.

Nope. In 1976. I want to listen to this, which was distributed by penthouse. All right. A hundred percent through the mail. Give me everything and sold a hundred thousand copies. Can you find this? I think you can.

Uh, the album, the album included such songs as there's one of the titles. All right. Come Stains on the Pillow. Yes. More. Paranthetically, the still. Paranthetically, of course, of course, of course, still the title where your sweet head used to be.

One of the other titles, one of the other titles, sit, sit, sit. And then in pair in parentheses, sit on my face. Yeah, yeah, that has to, that has to go down. And then his classic hit, which actually Kinky Friedman would go on to cover later and probably still does. If you ever, uh, performs asshole from El Paso, which is a take on Oki from Muscogee by Merle Haggard. Yeah, that's a winner.

Right. So all this is to say that Kinky Friedman has lived an amazing life. Ah, man. And, uh, beautiful. Yeah. So at this point, why do we even need to hear him talk? I just want that biography to live forever. Yeah.

It's pretty great. Beautiful. I don't think he really does anything to invalidate himself on this episode. He just shows up as like, yeah, I think I'm going to run for governor. And then just acts kind of like an asshole, but kind of a fun asshole. All right. I'm in. So in this first clip, we learned that he sells cigars.

Okay. Listen, now, now I wish I had a cigar, an official cigar, just, just made Raleigh Jones with me on it, but a Kinky actually has that. And, uh, in fact, even sells them to tell folks about, uh, your love of cigars and, uh, your website. And then we'll get into the serious issues. Well, I think cigars are good. I always say cigarettes, bad cigar, good.

That's my message to young people. Cause science and the cigars are good for you and they help you live longer. All right. All right. Not a great message. Not a great Kinky. So this, you know what? I'm still fine.

I'm still fine with this. This sets the tone as a smoker. I'm still fine with this. That's the tone and leads us to this. You want to break the Austin ordinance on air and smoking here? We certainly could. Wouldn't bother me. I mean, what would happen really?

I don't think anything will happen. Swat teams might come. Try it or not. Go ahead. Sure. We'll give it a shot. Oh, now we're being really rebellious and land of the free home of the brave. God, I'll tell you Alex, we're, we're risk takers.

Just thank God it's not a Cuban. He's firing off here. Well, we'd really be arrested. This is a Cuban. Yeah, but. So Kinky Friedman lights up a Cuban cigar on air. Kinky Friedman, not giving a shit. That's pretty great.

Um, so, uh, they talk a lot of nonsense about him running, uh, for governor again, because again, he ran in 2006. Now we're here in 2009. Um, I can't stop. So they discuss police corruption a little bit or put your mic down. Weird. Put your mic down. I'm weighing this is so wild.

This is buck wild. It, it, it's city by city. You got bad cities and good cities on average, but I don't know. A cops in Austin aren't planting drugs that I know of, but in Dallas NPR even report the police admitted they framed thousands. I mean, here's one solution. Get a guy like Kinky Friedman in his governor who doesn't owe anybody and doesn't know anybody.

Okay. And I appoint a guy like racehorse Haynes to, uh, head up an abuse commission. And this is a legacy for a guy like racehorse. In other words, he doesn't need to do it. He's got plenty of money. He believes in justice. So he goes case by case, all through death row, all through Texas youth commission through all of it and empower these people.

I don't want a commission giving me a report. He wants to put a guy named racehorse in charge of police corruption. I agree with him. Racehorse. Hey, racehorse. Racehorse has been on the wrong end of police corruption. I'll tell you that for sure. I love a guy named racehorse.

Come on. Look, racehorse. This is a legacy position. Racehorse has had to bribe thousands of cops. He doesn't need this shit. He doesn't there for pure reason. Racehorse has made his money. So we got Kinky and racehorse.

I don't know how he made his money. Holy shit. So fun. So fucking fun. Give me that government. Alex has no. I think that government would probably be great. Actually, might be effective.

I think it would be awesome. Yeah. So then that's the that's all we're going to listen to of Kinky's appearance because most of it is really just like he doesn't have any of his like standard Mark Twain witticism on the show. And it's mostly Alex just trying to impress him. And it's kind of course it's a little sad, a little pathetic. Yeah.

And he has to make time because he has another guest this day. And that is a guy who does one of his bumper songs. It's a song. Thank God for the renegades. All right. It's a I don't know this song. You don't know it. No, I'm not going to play it.

It's fine. Yeah, I don't think it's a song. It's a it's sort of under under the radar. Country song, but like sort of newish country. It's like it's all right. It's in that no man's land of not old rebel country. All right. I'll let it go.

But he has him on and they this clip is fucking troubling. I live in Southern California most of the time and I got so been frustrated with, you know, illegal streaming across the border. And that was the year of the riots in Los Angeles and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, I got to a point where I couldn't sit silently anymore. And so I wrote a song from my heart called We Must Take America Back. And it just it lit a firestorm when people heard it. It kind of kind of tripled out there on its own.

And all of a sudden, one of the big record companies out there wanted to put it out on a record and make it available nationally. And, oh, and I was right. You know, it was zooming up the charts, got to number 56 or 52 on the billboard country charts. It was the most requested song in the nation on country radio. The first few weeks it was out, but then a funny thing happened. Some of the most powerful, some of the most influential country radio stations

in the big city said, hey, look, we don't care where it is on the charts. The city slickers. We don't care how many requests we get for it. We're not going to play it. Always because we don't agree with it. And that was the end of my RCA career. Oh, man. It was RCA.

That was who picked him up. He was screwed. He was screwed by the major labels. Um, I, Alex ends up playing his song and we're not going to listen to it. But it made me, but it has to go. It has to, like I'm disappointed in his delivery because it should be, uh, I've been living in SoCal for a long time and I got frustrated by all these illegals coming over.

So I wrote a song about it and it goes a little something like this. Yeah. That's what it should have been. Do a live performance. Absolutely. Uh, you noticed that he's like, I'm pissed off about these illegals coming over. Also, that was the year of the riots.

Who is it and the riots, illegals. And so now I have to make a song called, we have to take our country back. From whom were you inspired to, uh, old Mexicans and black people? Okay. Interesting. That's not fucked up at all. Strange. That's not fucked up.

That's your motivation. So anyway, he wrote this song. So he's talking about the Rodney King riots. Yes. While they're talking about police. Cause he wrote that in 1992. That's when that song came out. Yeah.

Of course. So that's when he wrote, we must take our country back. Uh, song reach number 68. So Alex Jones has made it clear that police are framing and murdering black people out of bullshit racist reasons. Yet still having a guy on wrote a song about how cops should be allowed to beat up black people. We must take that back.

Yeah. Um, uh, the song reach number 68 on the hot country charts, which leads me to believe it was never the most requested almost, almost 56, because by definition, there's a 67 songs ahead of it that people like. Yeah, but they were requesting it. They didn't play it though. So it didn't make the regular charts at all, but it's actually really interesting. This guy, Steve Vouse, it's VA us.

You look into him. You find out that he does have four Grammy nominations to his name. Oh, that's nice. It's wild. But is he like a ghost writer? Is he the songwriter? He has four Grammy nominations, but it's not to his name. It's under a stage name.

Buck Howdy, his stage name is Buck Howdy. He actually won a Grammy in 2010 in the category best spoken word album for children. All right. All right. Yeah. I'm in it so far. So he's still a country musician today.

And if you go to his Squarespace site, BuckHowdy.com. No, it's, I think it's SteveVouse.com. He refers to himself as who has Buck Howdy. He probably is sitting on it. He refers to himself as a Grammy award winner, hoping that people will just think it's because of his patriotic country music and not his. I'm going to talk to children as a Buck Howdy character. But I, but I assume what was the, what was the, no, I didn't listen to.

All right. Now I got to listen. How much shit do we have to listen to because of this show? We got to listen to the entire Kinky Friedman catalog. That's got to happen. And this, uh, we got to listen to this spoken word album. We got to listen to come on the pillow. Absolutely.

Got to listen to come on my pillow. So this brings parentheses where your head used to be. This brings us to the end of the show. Uh, and, uh, so what we see here is Alex having a racist musician on. Yup. Uh, one of the greatest, uh, people ever to come out of Texas, Kinky Friedman, absolutely to smoke on air for no reason. Fantastic.

Um, but at the, at the end of the day, what we see here, uh, is very clearly in 2009, he's concerned with globalists, but he has no interest in George Soros. He's very anti military, very anti cop. Uh, but at the same time does recognize that black people are getting a fucking raw deal and all of these things change at some point. Weird. Yeah. Very weird.

Except for his star fuckery. No, that's consistent. That is always going to be there. Yeah. And the, uh, dumb, uh, relying on him, not understanding, uh, primary sources, the only way Kinky Friedman could have been better is if he did a, like, I wrote a little song about this info wars appearance or just told Alex to fuck himself and it goes a little something like this info wars is bullshit.

I'm sure it's way better. Alex is a fuck face. All right, we gotta wrap this up. I gotta be, all right. Um, uh, if you like our show, please go to our website, knowledgefight.com. Uh, you can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. That's correct. We're on Facebook.

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I think it's you. Oh, okay. I think it's you. You got to pick Steve vows. Steve vows can go fuck himself. There you go. That guy wrote a fucking racist country song. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.