Knowledge Fight - #155: January 7-9, 2009

Episode Date: April 27, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan about how different a man Alex Jones was in 2009. To be fair, there were a lot of similarities, but this dude is not 2018 Alex. Enjoy Jordan going on a damn roller coaster

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are Dan. Yes, I am. Dan, if you were trying to explain this show to one of our many utterly useless Democratic Senators, the ones who are fucking awful, who are just murderously terrible in every possible fucking way. Dan, how would you explain this show to these incompetent, moronic monsters that we have elected to lead us? Well, first, I would say a podcast is like a radio show. That's a good

start because they're all fucking old and stupid. Exactly. That would be the first step. That's a good way to go. And then past that, I would just describe it the way I describe it to anybody. Oh, fuck you. Fuck you. Right off the bat. Come on. That was your tone dip. It was. You did it. I was trying to put a little jazz on it. I know it. Put a little English into the mix. You did? Yeah, it was great. It's show business. I would say that I know a lot about Alex Jones. I don't know anything about Alex Jones. It's a perfect summation of the show. And we would do a better job at your stupid fucking gig, you idiots. Oh, you dumb, dumb politician. I hate them so much. Very ineffectual. Fuck you, Nancy Pelosi. You're garbage. Okay. Sorry. That's right. Sometimes you got to let that

steam vent go and get a little bit of a fucking awful. I understand, man. I understand. So useless. Yeah. So Jordan, today we're going to be going into the past. Sure. We are. Thank God. We are going. The present is great, Dan. We're going. I don't even know why we would talk about the present. Things are too good. It's boring. So for those people who have been following our escapades in the recent present. Time frame. Yeah. With going back to the past, they've noted that we've gone back to June. We're going down to June. Going back to June 2009 before. That's what I have been doing. Yeah. And I picked that arbitrarily, sort of to some extent, because the episodes I was listening in 2008 are not great. Yeah. And they're unusable. But I realized that maybe we should go

back June might not be the best place to start to the beginning of the spoiler alert. Buddy told me reminded me that something happened in January of 2009. The be very interesting to get Alex Jones his take on the inauguration of Barack Obama. No, well, that that should be coming up. Yes. But it's not that specifically. It's something that we're going to run into. And we're going to be we'll we'll deal with it as we go through this episode. Today's episode is January 7th through 9th of 2009. You're going to be going on a very interesting roller coaster today, because there's a lot of stuff that I discovered, looking into 2009 Alex, that you aren't ready for. Okay. But there are some familiar pieces. And here's an out of context drop that's sort of familiar. All right.

Those beautiful mammary glands. Okay. All right. All right. Dan, I think you may have forgotten some business to do up top. No, I just wanted to get the outer context drop out of the way. Okay, I want to say I wanted to give a flavor of the things to come. And then now I would like exactly to beautiful mammary glands. After that, he starts laughing is like the guys in the booth. Guys in the booth like that one. Oh, boy. So there's no way he was a guilty of the sexual assault lawsuit that he's the harassment complaint. No, no, no chance. So before we get into the show, very important that we give some shout outs to donors. I want to say just big picture. We recently crossed the 100 donor mark. No shit 100 plus policy walks out there. That's fucking crazy.

It is nuts. When we started the show, I didn't think there would be 10. I didn't think there would be five, quite frankly. And now we're at a point where we're over 100. Well, you had some people from your former show and I kind of assumed we would have get rid of them. We did lose a number of them. We lost. I assumed we would have lost all of them and no one would have ever jumped back on board. Very reasonably. We lost a comedian Tommy McNamara's mom that donated to my damn it. Yeah. We got to talk to Tommy Mack. It's this. I mean, it's just so great. We're at a place where this is the show is going to be able to allow me to live much more stably. And we appreciate it so much. Everybody it's it's life changing levels of support. And I really, really, really appreciate

it. Agreed. I don't have to buy you cigarettes anymore. We'll see about that. We'll see about that. But we're going to need some more policy walks. Please feel the love and appreciation and every time we play these drops because it's it's it's insane from the heart. It's pure, pure beauty. So first, I'd like to give a shout out to new policy walk. Mark, what's going on out there? Mark, I'm a policy walk. Thank you so much, Mark. Mark, how do they let you donate from jail? Who you talk about? He loves our shows about him. He just loves Richard. Yeah. It's wrapped around Mark Richards hearing about himself. That's what it's really all about. Thank you, Mark Richards. Oh, that's you are a murderer, but that is very kind of you. That's very sweet. Also, we do take

donations from murderers. So if you have murdered, do not feel like unlike voting, you are still able to donate to our show. This one is not this one is not something you can jazz on because I actually know is it the BTK killer? No, this one. I this one. I know I'm going to give a specific shout out to this dude's great rapper and he's on the road right now with our friend far out. No, shit. I think they're still on the road. I'm really bad at remembering dates, but they had a tour of the northeast. Big shout out. Thank you so much for supporting the show. I nine. I'm a policy walk. Really appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Got some great music out there. Everyone should go check out. Also next also there. There are just no there are just no

names to play off if your name is I nine. There's no other. There's no other. Yeah, that's going to be tough. Give a shout out to someone who's coming in as a globalist. Bump their donation up. Shout out. And thank you so much, John. I'm a policy one. Four stars. Don't honk your mouth and tell it you're brilliant. Someone, someone Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Hey, thank you very much. I believe this is John Wick. If I recall correctly, doesn't like killing dogs. He does not like dogs getting killed in any form. I was going to say John Arbuckle. John Arbuckle. You always go real people. Wait, you didn't this time. No, that was

not. All right. Wait, you can't use John Wick. That's someone's alias who already has donated. That's what I'm saying. I thought this guy bumped his donation up. I thought this was the guy who earlier I referenced as being John Wick. If someone has an obvious gnome deplume, I'm going to just go ahead and use it. I just don't want to put people's business on the streets if they use their own. No, that's right. Cause we did have a guy who donated as John Wick. That's what I was saying. That's now. Well, now I've messed it up. I apologize, Dan. I quit. Finally, I give up. Finally, one more shout out. This is a very, very special shout out. Yeah. So this gentleman was in town last weekend and we had a very nice

time hanging out with him and his girlfriend. Oh shit. It was a blast meeting him and we really appreciate it. Very, very fucking cool. Thank you so much. Jim, you are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser, little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much, Jim. Thank you so much, Jim. And you and your significant other were absolutely fantastic to talk to. Absolutely. Very, very brilliant people. Absolutely. Always a thrill when we get to meet, meet folks. It's

a treat for us, I believe. I believe that's fair to say. Yeah. And we're super excited to meet a bunch of folks down in Austin. When we're down there in June, that'll be most of the thrill, I think. The show will be secondary to just meeting folks who have sent me nice messages. Every time we meet people, there's a part of me that's like, I didn't think you were real. I kind of assumed this is more of an elaborate scam that you are perpetrating on me in order to get me to fit. That's psychological study idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like somehow I am, like I have cancer or something and you're just trying to make my last days as exciting as possible. You're like, look, our fan base is growing. There's nobody actually listening. Why does it have to be an

either or? I don't understand why it's got to be a dichotomy. That's a fair point. But no, it's do not disagree. It's great. I'm emotionally overwhelmed and the only thing that you can do in situations like that is just keep on moving forward. So we're gonna keep on moving forward with the show. All right. Let's get to it. All right. So Jordan, today we start on January 7th of 2009. Right. And let me say something to you. This first clip is going to blow your goddamn mind. All right. This is what Alex starts out the show talking about. And he spends most of the show talking about this. You would never expect these kinds of things to come out of Alex Jones's mouth in 2018 or 2015, anywhere that we've looked into him. And that brings me to San Francisco.

I know. I'm going to get into this later in the broadcast. Once we go live at prisonplanet.tv because I want to show the clips. The witnesses were all saying that they took the black men off the train. There had been a report of people yelling and screaming at each other and arguing on the train. And that they then were putting them in handcuffs. And that the man wasn't resisting that they shot him in the back. And the police and we have their first press conference who said, no, that's not true. And then they use this weird lawyer speak to say, there was a altercation, an argument. And then the officers, one of the officers shot him. Now with legalese speak, he's talking about the argument on the train between the men

that had the police respond. But psychologically, and they do this on the news too, in the newscast later, they're sandwiching that in with, oh, he did something, an altercation with police. What the fuck? It shouldn't be. But it is a huge deal to hear Alex Jones coming out against the shooting of black people. Absolutely. That is, it should not be, it shouldn't even be a conversation. There should never have been a question. It's nuts. It should have just been like, we should all be like, hey, cops are murdering black people specifically. Yeah, that is a bad thing. Now Alex would be like, eh, they probably had it coming. But back then that he's against it. Where did this Alex go? When I turned this on and when I was listening to this

episode and he said that, I gasped. I know. It shouldn't matter. I almost fainted. It shouldn't be a generational thing. It shouldn't be every decade he decides which fucking group of people is fine for the cops to shoot. Dear Lord. Imagine if this had continued. Yeah. So what he's referring to is there's a guy by the name of Oscar Grant, who was out partying, I assume, because it was on New Year's Eve. It was about 2am on New Year's Day, 2009. And there were reports that there was some fighting on a Bart train in San Francisco. And you know, the details are murky in terms of the specifics of it, but who cares? The long and short of it are the cops tried to arrest this guy. They had him down on the ground with a knee to his back. And then not a knee to

his back, but they were trying to handcuff him. As I understand it, I've looked into this and from what I understand, they were trying to handcuff him, but he was like they couldn't get his hands right. So he wasn't in handcuffs when they shot him, which is a meaningless point to me. Right. But the cops shot him in the back and then he died on the way to the station. And there was a bit of, there were some obviously understandable protests afterwards. The cop did get in trouble from what I recall. I believe he did end up getting, he at least resigned. Let me see, because I think I have, I think I have the details here. Somehow that was a better time, Christ. What do you mean? I mean, at least he received, at least he had some sort of punishment for it, I guess.

I don't know. I don't know, man. That's all fucked up. Yeah. And I believe what was it? Was it today or yesterday that Alabama put up a monument to the victims of lynchings? Yeah. It's a good thing that that's over. It's a good thing we don't have to worry about state-sponsored murders. So apparently in July of 2010, a jury found the cop, Johannes Mersley, guilty of involuntary manslaughter. They're not guilty of charges of second-degree murder or voluntary manslaughter. So that's not great. They also found him guilty of gun enhancement charge that could have added 10 years to his sentence, made him ineligible for probation and required him to serve 85% of his sentence. So that's not great. He's taken super gun vitality. Yeah. That's not great. But

at least, I mean, in terms of the turn, the end results we see of so many of these shootings with cops, at least there was something. Yeah. Which isn't, which is not good enough. But it's bad. It's all bad. But the weirdest part about this is that Alex is against the cops and in favor of the murder victim, Oscar Grant, although he refuses to say his name. That is kind of weird. Well, but if you're going to, you don't want to say his name, that humanizes him. What you're trying to do is... I'm hearing from the chat room that the case was thrown out. I don't know if that's the case. What? God damn it. That might be the case. I'm operating on incomplete information about the end turnout of this. So I don't know. Thanks chat room. Thanks for bumming Jordan out.

Still further. What's more important though is that Alex is kind of clearly assessing the situation. He's dealing with it in a much more real way. Yeah. Oh, I read the message in the chat room wrong. Nevermind. Sorry. All right. Well, then I'm back to happy again, I guess. Is that what was going on? I don't believe I was ever happy. I think that, that, that just changed my disappointment and sadness levels from, from about yay high to about yay low. I'm going to stop responding to messages I don't fully understand. Probably a good idea. There we go. So, you know, Alex is against it. He's against the shooting. He's, he's against the cops. Good boy, Alex. He goes on to say this. It's not even the issue that they murder this guy. No, that is a big issue. It's that they make

excuses. Now the videos have come out and are saying, well, he thought it was his taser. It was taser confusion may have been the issue here though, is that they lied the police officials with the transit authority lied about it and they need to go to jail. So first of all, that is the end, the end point is good. I don't know how to deal with that. I told you. I don't even understand. I don't understand how that sentence can, how, what, what? I believe the issue isn't that they murdered the guy. Well, first of all, that's kind of like the, it's not that you cheated on me. It's that you lied about it. That's very weird. But then like that sentence, I think is fairly philosophically consistent with what Alex pretends to be. You know what I mean?

Like he's giving credit or leeway to some extent, but still being like, you need to go to prison. You lied about shooting a guy. Yeah. But the, the issue there is that it almost seems like more, his response had they just been like, oh yeah, we murdered that guy. He would have been like, well, see? No. Good for them. I don't think so. Like if they had just told the, or what, what would he prefer the outcome be? I think that they, that they apologize. No, because then he would be, then if they took responsibility for it, then he would be mad if they didn't get the direct consequences of admitting, oh, we killed this guy. Right. Which they won't get. All this is really to illustrate, and this clip is not done, but all this is to illustrate is that Alex

is fucking anti cop in 2009. He's all over the place. He's not like cops. No, but slightly pro murder. I'm not even so much focused on the police officer, clearly in a frenzy who pulls his gun out, aims at the man's back and kills him because you can see the police officer's response where he drops the drops his hand with the gun and starts cussing going, what the hell? What the hell just happened? I believe he probably did think it was his taser. And I'm trying to be fair here. I don't, because I quote, hate cops just then go. No, he clearly killed him in cold blood and meant to do it. That could be the case. We don't know. But the way he reacted after he killed the guy, after he shot the poor man who did nothing wrong, looks like he

was shocked. Doesn't matter. You still need to go to jail for manslaughter. Need to spend a few years in prison. You killed somebody. Their life is over. They did nothing wrong. This is crazy. This is crazy from like such a departure. This is nuts. We've been doing this show for a long time now. Almost a year and a half now. That is crazy. Very much. That's the first time I've been genuinely shocked in a good long while. I am legitimately. Because there's no part of it where he's starting to blame the globalists. I know. There's no part of it where he's saying he's fake or the thing is fake or anything like that. And he's not even asserting anything wildly. He's even leaving it open. He's like,

we don't know the facts for sure. What we do know is that this man was killed. Yeah. Illegally. You got to go to prison. And this man should go to prison for it. Right. Right. There's no there's no like I know he murdered that guy. There's no I know he didn't murder that guy. There's no like it's all a globalist plot to trick us into thinking he murdered that guy. And that guy isn't even actually murdered. Right. There's nothing. It's just him with a measured reasonable response. Now it is like maybe giving too far of a birth too wide of a birth to be like, you know, I believe that he might have thought it was the taser. But he this is where he's operating from now. It's still within what I would describe as the acceptable realm of

conversation. I kind of agree. It's what it's a kind of conversation you can have. It's wild. Yeah. And then get this. The issue is studying police agencies. They lie more often than they tell the truth. No. And bananas even the truth suits them. They lie. It is a culture of lying and deceit. And I'm tired of it. What fucking hyperventilating this cops are liars. It's a culture of lying. It is. Right. Oh, man. It's wild. Now I am starting to believe in the globalists because now it is very clear that some shadowy organization murdered Alex Jones who at this time perhaps was Bill Hicks. Okay. And then replaced him with the monster that we see now as controlled opposition to make sure that he is his insanity is ignored. It's an interesting

possibility. I'd say I'd say Occam's razor would probably kill them. Probably. Yeah. Occam's razor would tell me that he just started taking a bunch of his own supplements and went crazy. Maybe not. I don't know. It's very difficult for me to figure out like because this is a huge curveball and to see like. Yeah, that's wild. How does this evolve into the guy we know now? Like this is like again, I disagree with little. I disagree with this. This guy screamed about Colin Kaepernick for months. Months. For months. Yeah. And all he did was just kneel on the field in protest of a thing that Alex in 2009 is super aware as a problem. Super aware is an issue. Yeah, absolutely. And is advocating for jail time. Mm hmm. Yep. This is bananas. If you want to.

This is unprecedented. If you want to become even more sympathetic to him. No. Listen to this next clip. No. All right, this is all it is, isn't it? You're just gonna play the intro music. Waiting for the questions to end. I'm going to chase the sky forever. And the sun is going to burn into a cinder. Still going, huh? And we're going to rise. And we're going to ride, we're going to ride, we're going to ride, ride like the one eye jack of diamonds. Like the one eye jack of diamonds with the devil floating around, we're going to ride.

Analyst predicts 40% unemployment, no recovery. Weird transition. Are those the next lyrics on the song? No. Willie Nelson doesn't come in with that verse. No. No. Holy shit. That's like, that's unbelievable to me because again, it just goes back to that like he fucking loves good country. This is like he loves the highway man. I don't know, man. But that I'm confused. I'm out of my game. That pivot is professional level. Singing along to we're going to ride to analysts predict 40% unemployment. I'm having a great time. I want to scare you. It's so weird.

I don't know what to do. I'm so confused. I feel like we've started all over again and I have to rewire all of my hatred for Alex Jones knowing full well that in the past he was less of a piece of shit. He's still a piece of shit. We've done episodes in this time period before, but this is bananas. Well, there's, there's a lot of stuff and I don't have a lot of clips of these, but there's a lot of stuff that, um, that like you can trace like literal parallels from back then to now. Like there's catchphrases that he's using 11 or like nine years ago and still using now like the alternative media is coming up and the mainstream media's ratings are down.

Of course. He has like a philosophy of like if someone's being attacked, that probably means they're right, which is consistent all throughout this time frame. So there's all, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things that are really common, but yeah, I think what you're more going to have to wrestle with is like, you know the future. Yeah, this isn't great because you can't look at this guy without knowing what ends up happening. I know you've read the end of the story. This is baby Hitler all over again. To some extent. Whenever I went back in time and hung out with baby Hitler for a while, he was very cute. So that's it for January 7th and we get on to

January 8th. Nothing else happened. No, I mean it did. What else was it on? Well, how do you, how does he just show up on that little spot and that's all you have from January 7th? Was there any context to that? No, most of it's really boring. He talks a lot more about, I know it's really boring. I just want like some kind of, how did this, now that this is a mystery all over again to me. Have you, have you watched Endgame with me? Yes. It's a lot of that. Okay. All right. He talks about the trans, Texas corridor, that road that they're really mad about. Roads, highways. And they're like, hey, they're pretending it's stopped, but it's not. Okay, fair enough. He has an interview with a guy named Eric Plumlee, no relation, Natasha Plumlee.

What about Mason Plumlee? Nope, not in there. All right. He has an interview with him and he wants it to be an interview about like the government surveilling you and stuff like that. Is it? Well, no, but Eric Plumlee is a surveillance lawyer, but it turns out his specialty is like you trying to bug your wife. Yeah. Yeah. He's a PI lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. So the interview doesn't totally, it doesn't go really far cause every time he tries to talk about bigger picture stuff, Eric Plumlee is kind of like, that's outside of my purview. Yeah. Gotcha. He has an interview with Ray McGovern who used to be involved in like the daily briefings for Reagan and stuff like that. Right. And it's, it's not, it's not really all that substantial. Like it's just kind of end game

stuff. Okay. You know, it, I'm just, I'm just trying to get a fuller picture of this man who I have never met before in my entire life. It's a lot of end game stuff. And then this very weird position on this shooting of how long did he talk about it for a long time? Or was it just like, I'm going to drop in, give you my thoughts, gonna get right back into that road. I hate roads. No, I would say it's a good half hour at least of the show, maybe even more dedicated to this. But again, there's less empathy for the victim than you want. Well, he doesn't have empathy. That I understand. And more anger at the cops, but at least I'm happier with that. It's, it's a road in at least, which is very, very strange and not like anything we've ever seen from Alex. And it gets

even weirder. This is such an alternate universe right now. January 8th gets even weirder. Okay, listen to this shit. And now I've seen more of this officer's body language up close and he looks like he's completely out of his mind. He's resigned from the force. And now the police are saying, well, we're no longer involved in this because he's resigned. So now it's not our issue. And now eternal affairs isn't investigating. What does that mean? So if a cop murders somebody, either capital murder, premeditated or whether it's it's manslaughter, whether it's accidental, and I think clearly it's it's pointing towards capital murder. Now this guy's a lunatic. I mean, I could see him getting off on a insanity plea, maybe because you watching the holes that gone

out, he cites it. And you know, you know, the difference between a black, what looks like a Glock or heckler and coke, you know, classic standard issue. Handgun looks like nine millimeter, 40 cal, something along those lines. We don't know yet. They've they've kept that secret. And he cites it, holds the shot for about two seconds and shoots the guy in the back. Now I said maybe it was taser confusion. But now watching him from a closer video angle of somebody's cell phone camera, he looks like a vampiric demon or something. He looks like Bella Lugosi. He just his eyes are completely crazed. He looks like a lunatic. So that's not great. But at least the point is right. I you know, like you take this satanic stuff out of it.

Now that reminds me of the Alex Jones. I know, at the very least, he's not a human being. He's a literal demon, right? Which again, it's a little it's a little cowardly in terms of like not allowing humans to take responsibility for their actions and shit like that. Right. But at least like the point is right that he watched another video and you can see him citing it. And that means that he knew it wasn't a taser. Exactly. So that's the point behind what he's trying to say. And it's like, yeah, man. I don't, I don't. That's crazy. Pretty nuts. The idea of Alex Jones revising his theories based on new information is that alone. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't get this. That is he didn't, he didn't even double down on his. Yeah. He, he grew as a, well, he got crazier

with it. He modified, but he, he did. He did. His narrative didn't become more concrete. It only got shaken and his beliefs changed based upon that. I can't process this information. No, Alex is not doubling down. The only Alex I know and understand is the Alex who doubles down and the Alex who waffles like a little bitch. Right. And the only two I know the Alex who cries, yeah, cries, cries, yell, cries, cries, drunks, kids, drunks. Sure. Sure. Yeah. So this position that he's taken on the shooting is really wild. Yeah. And then in the aftermath of the shooting, obviously there were a bunch of protests and people were rightly mad about the situation. Now we get back to status quo, Alex Jones. He's definitely against these

protests, right? Well, in present day he'd be super against them. Yeah. Protest over bark shooting turned violent San Francisco Chronicle. I watched video of it when police started getting in people's faces and telling them to disperse that they were not an authorized permitted crowd. They began throwing soda bottles and things at the police car windows. They overturned police cars, burned police cars. The police began firing rubber bullets at the crowd. And you know, other people are doing this. They don't like seeing a fellow human being murdered execution style. And then the system making excuses for it. If you want any respect from the public, you have to punish your officers when they murdered people in cold blood. But no,

you've been caught lying. What the fuck? You thought that entire time he was ramping up to talk shit about the protesters. He was he was defending them or justifying it. Yep. This is pretty nuts. Yeah, Dan. Yeah, I know. Dan, I had a whole bunch of anger in the in the holster for today. And now it is gone. Well, I take this just fucking pure shock and confusion. I texted you before the show that I had something really confusing for you. I'm so confused. Yeah, I know. I don't even I don't even I what is the show if I think he's he's advocating for a violent response. He's not necessarily advocating, but he's justifying a violent response to police action that is again

unlawful in and of itself. He's how is this a possible thing? He's at very least like coherently explaining why that happened. Yeah. Yeah. The violence is the outlet of the people who can't be into writing the voice of the unheard. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know, man. It's to me just incredibly bizarre. I don't know. I it's it's weird. I'm confused. And again, I don't I don't know what to do, Dan. I don't either. So at this point, do we invent time travel? Is there is there like a like if we're if we're going to indulge multiverse theory, which I think is probably true, if we get into a time machine, is there any way that we can talk to the Alex Jones from this time and then put him on a completely different path? Like, like just just butterfly. We don't know.

Just chaos theory, butterfly. We don't have the money. Just throw a little rock at him. Yeah. And then all of a sudden he grows into an activist. Like what's going on here? Now, I don't I don't think it would be possible. Yeah. But again, I'm not maybe we just eat his brains and take his strength at this time. I'm not doing this intentionally to butter you up. I'm playing you the clips that are relevant in the order they come. This next clip made me smile. What are you doing to me? This next clip, Dan, this is one of the only you are fucking with my head. I know that we've talked about whenever he listens to highway men, it's kind of like that's a happy Alex. Yeah, you can hear a couple moments in this next clip where it's like this is absurdly happy

Alex. I'll never forget when I was a teenager in Dallas, other than getting in a lot of fist fights. I was very clean. I didn't like drugs. I tried a few every time I hated them. I like alcohol. We can get our hands on it. That was it. And they would just call kids in all day long to the office and not just myself and say, we know you're a drug dealer. We know you're stealing stereos and you're going to work for us now. And I said, no, and then they got very upset. But I mean, this is just standard. Well, never forget the cops saying, well, if you didn't steal those stereos, I know you're doing something illegal. And I was self-righteous and said, yeah, I've stolen beer out of the golf carts. That's how teenagers got their beer in Rockwall, Texas

is there were golf courses all over the community in different neighborhoods. And before I even had a car or a motorcycle or a moped, we would walk sometimes a couple miles over to our buddies' houses. And I only stole beer a couple times, but I had money to do it all the time to the point of not leaving their ice chest in the back of their golf carts. And they'd all be in the different golf. I'm already digressing with the story. The point is, is that I said, yeah, I've stolen beer. We know you've done a lot more than that. And this was years after I'd, you know, stolen beer out of ice chest. Can you imagine me in 13, 14 years old and you run up, grab a six pack of bottle of wine out of the back of the ice chest, run off in the woods and drink

it with your buddies and roll around in the leaves. That's about the extent of it. Oh, what are you doing? That's human. They're rolling around in the leaves. Yeah, you're drunk like idiots when you're 13 rolling around at the park. Rolling around in the leaves. That's a little bit weird. No, it's not. I think that was, I think that was not, it is delightful, but it turns them into a weird elf figure. This isn't over. Convertible. We could go to one easy mart. We had to walk about two miles because the other convenience stores on the main highway by our neighborhood wouldn't sell youth cigarettes, but the easy mart would. But I did one time that was a convertible open with a pack of Marlboro Reds laying on the dash. Let's just have a little confession hour

here and I grabbed that pack of cigarettes and I smoked them. Hell yeah. That's the extent of my great thievery. But the meanwhile, we're criminals, the entire population are criminals and we deserve it. We deserve to be shot in the back because, you know, surely we did something wrong in our lives or we deserve to be framed for a murder because assuredly we did something wrong in our lives. Well, then the police just run around framing whoever they want, stealing houses, stealing homes. So like, I mean, he's talking about eminent domain there at the end and we agree with him on that too. But what's interesting to me about that clip is it's two minutes or so of him getting a wistful and telling adorable, relatable human stories about stealing

booze as a kid or like you see some cigarettes in an open car and you scamper off and you smoke them. Like that's so relatable and human and it's cute. It is downright cute in this world. That is what it is in this world for sure. But it is scampish. But and it is it could be in the movie American graffiti like it is cute as fuck. But did you notice there at the end, like he he's he keeps losing the point of why he's telling these stories. He's having too much fun. He's caught up in sentiment and he forgets that he's trying to talk about these rock wall trying like teachers trying to turn into a snitch or something like that. He forgets that and so he's and he's what like he's 34 33 at this time at this point. Yeah, yeah, give or take somewhere somewhere or or 45 we don't actually

know his age on record. He's 34. Yeah. I mean, I'm fascinated by the losing yourself in sentiment telling these stories and then needing to get back on track. And so he jumps back on to the cops think we're all guilty. You know, like that that's where his mind gets back on to the narrative. And it's just to me it's like your brain worked better. This turns me at this turns the whole Alex Jones show now into a weird behind the music for me. Because this has turned into exactly that narrative. Like he's he's growing up. He's having a carefree happy lifestyle, getting into some scampus trouble, gets a radio show gets a gets a you know, his daddy gives him all the money starts to build a little following for himself gets right around to this time period, really

living his best life. He's a conspiracy theorist. He's spouting nonsense. He pretends he called 911. He's singing with the highway men. And then at a certain point he starts to get obsessed with money. It's all about money to him. And he thinks it's going to make him happier. But it doesn't, Dan. The money only adds problems to what's going on. More money, more problems. He cheats on his wife. Maybe. We don't know that. We don't know that. Come on. Just cheating on his current wife right now. I don't know that. Yeah, Jordan. Jordan. Your theory is interesting and compelling. And I used to love that show. But I would say that you're forgetting that he made end game before this. That's a good point. So I mean, that's a good point. He's still having fun in end game though.

Somewhat. He had a bullhorn. Yeah. He had a bullhorn. Come on. We're going to learn a lot about that bullhorn. I love it. I want to know those bullhorns backstory. You're going to hear a bit of it. You're going to learn more about that bullhorn than you want to. You don't want to learn about that bullhorn. So when I told you I was reminded of January in 2009, it's for a very specific reason. Yes. That's why we went back to this date specifically to relaunch our 2009 investigation from this point forward. And that is because on January 7th, 2009, I will read to you from the Guardian article from that very day. Gazprom, the state-owned Russian gas group today cut off all supplies to Europe traveling through the Ukrainian pipelines, intensifying the political

and economic crisis that has arisen out of payments, a payment dispute between the two countries. Amid evidence that people in Eastern Europe are being deprived of heating as the Arctic cold snap continues, Russia and Ukraine continue to blame each other for the deadlock. Gazprom accuses Ukraine of shutting down the fourth and last open pipeline crossing the country while officials at NAFTA Gaz, Ukraine's state energy firm, simply said, quote, words fail us. Russia supplies a quarter of Europe's gas and 80% of this transits through Ukraine. As shortages hit Western Europe and intensify in the South and East, EU governments will meet on Friday to consider sharing supplies held in storage. So we'll get more into it after this

clip. But suffice it to say, at this point, because of some contractual disputes on January 7th, Russia cut off oil or gas that was most of the supplies for 18 countries that all ran through Ukraine because of disagreements with their financial. In terms of any argument, public like this in like a large scale, I am immediately going to side with the person who has the least wordy response. If the Ukraine's response is like, dude, I don't even know what that guy's talking about. I'm immediately like, yeah, Ukraine is right. Words fail us is a strong response. Yeah, for real guys, you can't believe this guy. So that was on January 7th, and the crisis had been sort of escalating for a few days prior because I believe it was on the

5th that Russia cut off most of the supply and then on the 7th cut off all of it. And what were they doing on the 6th? It was hanging out. Just chilling. But on the 7th, Alex didn't even bring it up. And on the 8th, he says this. And now, Russia, because of Ukraine threatening to renege on their lease of a naval port and moving weapons systems up against the border, Russia cut back on some of the basically free gas they've been giving them as a subsidy as part of that deal. And so what did Ukraine do? They just cut off gas to Europe. People could die there, folks. I mean, below zero in many of those countries. In fact, people are dying, the press is reporting. You know, I saw a blurb about this in email,

and I didn't believe it. And I googled it and it was our very own KVUE Austin TV, new law restricts resale of kids products. So wait, that was a quick, that was a quick turnaround. I kept that last part in just to illustrate how quickly he pivots off. That was quick. And he doesn't fucking talk about it ever again. Wait, what? He says he drops that one line and he's like, Hey, and I heard that kids are not allowed to use toys anymore. In as much as I've listened to, he does not bring it back up. And that's crazy. Ukraine is making sure people die. Kids, they're not allowed to buy toys anymore. But that it's important to note that like he's putting the onus on Ukraine, shutting it off. Of course. See, now this is the Alex. Now we're

back in comfortable territory. We are Alex, Alex joining with Russia on a literally anything is where I where I am comfortable. But this is very, this is very, very strange. Yeah. Because it's so it's so dismissive. It's so like here's a 10 second blurb about this and then we're moving on to Hey, you can't resell cribs right or whatever. Can't do it. Yeah, could get hurt. So I read a report from the Oxford Institute of Energy Studies about the crisis because I wanted to get a good handle on what the situation was like, whether it was reasonable anyway for Alex to think that Ukraine was behind the actual shutting off. Yeah, because he's insinuating that Ukraine is killing Europeans,

right, which is the worst crime you can commit. So I'm going to read you some of the salient points from this 60 page report that the Oxford Energy Institute put out. Love their dictionary, by the way, quote, the night of the 5th of January and early hours of the 6th of January, were possibly the key moments in the crisis as far as deliveries to Europe were concerned. On the 5th, a televised and rather obviously staged conversation between Prime Minister Putin and Gazprom CEO Miller rehearsed all the Russian grievances against Ukraine and culminated in Putin agreeing with Miller's proposal to reduce the gas flows and instructing him to inform Gazprom's European partners about the reasons for the action. At this point on the 7th of January,

the second and more serious stage of the dispute began. Gas was cut off completely to countries in southeastern Europe, which are 100% dependent on Russian imports and partially to other countries for 13 days. The Russian and Ukrainian sides blamed each other and neither displayed great urgency about moving towards agreement. It is important to underline the unprecedented nature of this situation. Supplies to Europe had never been halted since the gas transit system was built in Soviet times. The two sides finally negotiated two new contracts, covering supply and transit, which were signed on the 19th of January. Gas flows to Europe restarted on the morning of the 20th, and two days later were returning to normal levels.

So that's sort of just a description of what happened, and then they get to their conclusions. A crisis in Russia-Ukraine bilateral gas relations is not in itself a surprise. Many, including ourselves, had seen it coming as long ago as the summer of 2008. The surprise, indeed the shock, was that both sides allowed the dispute to escalate from disagreements about debts, prices and transit tariffs to the point where supplies to Europe were completely shut off, and then allowed the situation to continue for two weeks in the middle of winter, with serious adverse humanitarian consequences for especially southeastern European countries. We do not believe the often cited desire of the Russian government to use energy as an economic

or political weapon against European countries played any part in this crisis. Russia's relationship with Europe and the gas sphere is and will remain one of mutual dependence. While Europe depends heavily on Russian gas supplies, Russia, which here means both Gazprom and the Russian state relies heavily on revenues generated from European sales. By contrast, the critical Russian decision to cut back deliveries on the 5th of January, Russia did it, was an unnecessarily risky and commercially irrational action at this stage of the dispute. That decision may have reflected Prime Minister Putin's anger and frustration and been aimed at punishing Ukraine for its repeated threats to disrupt transit. 40 years of Russia's reputation as a secure gas

supplier and Ukraine's reputation as a secure transit country have been damaged, probably irreparably. The Russian government almost certainly personalized to Prime Minister Putin, which took the decisions which eventually led on the 7th of January to the complete interruption of European supplies through the Ukrainian transit network, should have recognized these consequences and had the option of stepping back. So if I understand correctly, what they said was Putin threw a tantrum. It seems like that's the most likely explanation that people who have studied the case on it is. Well, that in the, well now that you go back and you look at the way that they, one of the, one of the, I mean, one of the narratives that emerged with the Russian hacking

into the American election and the DNC emails and all of that stuff was really just a very personal I hate Hillary kind of reaction. So that now makes a lot more sense with that context of him just throwing a tantrum and ruining relations with the rest of the world for a while. Some of that is too easy, I think a little bit. And I think that like fits into a, I would say an incompletely drawn psychological profile that we may want to work off of. I think that when you, when you look at more of the details about it, and I don't want to read you guys a 60 page report or anything like that. Yeah, I don't want you to do that either. Both sides had fault in this, but the shutting off of the gas was 100% Russia. Yeah. They did it in response to failed negotiations between Ukraine

and Russia and some things that Russia said Ukraine was doing that do not appear to be true. Yeah. They were saying that they were stealing gas that was coming through the pipelines, but it appears that most of the stuff that they did, they get a little hose and they siphoned it. They guy was breathing in real hard and put it in a gas can. I mean, a lot of it is really impossible to prove either way. Right. But the Ukraine's argument is that the gas that they're talking about is what's called the operational gas, which they were using to power the pipelines and create the ability to use the transit flows. Right. So it's like, it's the cost of doing business essentially. Yeah. In order to move this gas, we have to use this gas. Some of the gas is used

in the transit. And so it's incredibly complicated. And I think from everything I can tell, if you look at the reality of it, both sides are 100% at fault for not resolving this when the stakes were so high for people in other countries. Yeah. But also, Russia made the decision to shut off the gas, which Alex is putting the other direction on. He's saying that Ukraine shut it off. Yeah. And that is not the case. No one would make that argument. Even on the 8th of January 2009, no one would make that argument. Except who? But see, see, I hate this. I hate this because obviously, we know what the fucking answer is. Yeah. Of course. Obviously. Well, but it still could just be someone who's hyper sympathetic to the Russian narrative, the Russia's worldview

has a boner for Putin to some extent. And what it means to me is that clip where he talked about going on RT and the Russian intelligence agents debriefing him, I think it had to have happened before 2009 seems like it because this narrative would never come out of his mouth if he wasn't super sympathetic to Russia. No, absolutely not. It's fascinating to me, just on a pure like, where would you get this shit kind of level? But like, there's no way to read. Well, exactly. The only the only way to get that narrative is through approved state sponsored Russian sources. Some of his buddies who hang out with, well, yeah, what are we talking about? His buddies, Paul Craig Roberts, he's at the bar in Austin and they're like, Hey, you know,

this Ukraine character, they're going all buck wild on this. Possibly. This is clearly a Russian narrative. Where does he get it? Unless he is either absorbing and watching Russian television constantly, right, which is a suspicious thought in and of itself. It's possible. Or if he's got a direct relationship with people whose interests are aligned in that, I still don't think we have any kind of firm evidence that there's a direct relationship past the exploitation of flattery that they have clearly, right. If Alex's story about that RT debriefing is true, which I'm inclined to believe it is true as we as we go further along, I'm leaning more and more towards that's that's a real narrative. I mostly believe it's true because he's not that creative.

No. A lot of his brags are just we have millions of listeners. The idea of concocting a setup that he fell for, I don't think would occur to him. So I don't know, man, it's yeah, that's next level line. It's very tough. And this I mean, this is the reason going back to this specific start point. And to see immediately that like that narrative in the face of the reality is is troubling. And what's more troubling is to see a completely different man than we know in the present still loving Russia. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, yeah, the guy who is mad that the cops killed a black guy who was innocent and didn't deserve to die and all this and he's mad about it and the cops should go to jail. And he's still saying like, Hey, you know, Ukraine's fucking up

here. Why are they fucking with Russia? Russia can't do wrong. It means like, you know what I'm having? I'm having the exact same revelation that we did when we did the 2015 thing. Like, when we went back and Alex was like, some say Putin will save the world. Like before he became on T when I was surprised by that. It's the same thing. I'm super surprised. Weird. Yeah, I'm super surprised to hear that. Something I'm not as surprised about is he perhaps a Russian sleeper agent? Are you sure? When did his dad move to this country? I don't know. There's a lot of David Jones is it's really tough to figure out. There you go. One of them is David Bowie. When did he move to this country? Don't know that either. I don't think he did.

So you won't be surprised to learn that Alex at this point is still like really wanting money. But yeah, but the flavor is so different. He hasn't started his pill companies yet. And so he's kind of, you know, he's selling DVDs. He's selling books and he has some sponsors, you know, like we've seen some of these weirdos misshapen jeans. Yeah, we've seen those. But on this episode on January 8th, he's got a fucking real interesting way he's trying to make money. Another issue and then we're going to Steve Quayle is this. We moved to the new office completely about two and a half weeks ago and I had this bullhorn that I used in the movie A Scanner Darkly. I guess I've had it five, six years since the last one got broke, got broken. And it's the favorite

model of this big radio check model that I found is the loudest for the size. And it's been in just countless demonstrations. The last one was in Denver. We were bullhorning MSNBC for covering up the nine levels and inside job outside and they came over, grabbed it, tried to rip it away. Then a guy comes up with a knife and cuts it. It's on video. And so if somebody wants to buy the bullhorn, we have an eBay auction going. They can fix that or they can keep it as a classic piece of Liberty memorabilia. And the disinfo trolls went into the article on info wars.com that Kurt Nemo posted Alex Jones, Tierney Crusher won bullhorn auction and eBay. And they yelled and screamed and said, how dare you be selling this? How dare you be profiting? How dare you

you know, be doing this when we've stated that we're selling the bullhorn to raise money to expand the studio. We've built the new radio studio. You've seen it. Looks great. If you're a present planet TV viewer, we're building the new studio, but in this economy, we don't have the funds to do this. So even now, like you, you should be getting the sense that like he's a man who's living, he took a bath in the housing crisis. I'll tell you that right now. It's possible, but the way he's asking for money, working around money, that's how a human does it. I want that bullhorn so bad. Freedom crusher. He's having a garage sale. I want that bullhorn so bad. You're not going to like how much the bidding gets up to. I bet it's gone down a lot since then.

Spoiler alert. We're going to hear a lot about this bullhorn for the rest of the episode. So his old bullhorn, for which he clearly had a sentimental attachment, was damaged. So then he researches bullhorns, finds the loudest model within the best size for him. All right. Buys that bullhorn, then it gets damaged. And he decides, no, I am going to turn this bullhorn into my company's future. Exactly. Okay. And it seems to work. Cause like, uh, I don't want to, I don't want to ruin things, but the bidding war is not to be believed. If we can track that bullhorn down, I will steal it. Would you believe that? I will steal it like a pack of Marlboro Reds on a convertible. The bidding for this bullhorn gets so

intense that the government gets involved. What? What are you talking about? But that's a spoiler. What is he fucking talking about? But that's a spoiler for later. Who is mad at him for, you can't sell that bullhorn. What are you doing selling that bullhorn? What is he talking about? This is the heyday of eBay rhymes. Um, we're going to learn a lot more about this bullhorn, but, uh, in the meantime, right now we got to take a quick break. We'll be back in about two minutes. All right. Now we're back. Hey, so, uh, this bullhorn is going to be, uh, right back into bullhorn talk. It's going to be a huge player in the show. I don't understand how that's possible, but I want to talk to you about the guests a little bit that they have on my notes

out here. And I just don't have the inventor of the bullhorn, of course. I don't have any clips on that of them really. Cause they're just like, uh, the interviews are inconsequential and a lot of it does come back to just like, like when you listened to 2009, uh, Alex Jones, uh, so much of it is end game stuff. Yeah. It becomes very clear to me that end game was specifically like a best of documentary that he made. Okay. And it was just kind of like, he talks about these same things all the fucking time. So just go and watch our end game stuff. You'll get most of it. Yeah. So when we did the end game documentary, what we, what we wound up doing is ruining the greatest hits album. Yeah. So that's what, that's what's going on. You can't go back and

listen to any of the Eagles regular albums because you shouldn't, and you shouldn't listen to their greatest hits album either. But that's why you're going to, you wind up listening to that one. That's why this investigation is going to be even greater. Cause we're going to find those deep album cuts like him being mad at the cops for killing him on our man that most people don't get to know. So you're going to listen to the songs Fleetwood Mac wrote that weren't written by anybody who was any good. Sure. Yeah. He has Steve quail on who we know has written multiple books about how giants used to walk the earth, uh, among other very crack potty topics. Uh, he is a ironic for a man named after a very small bird is a straight up lunatic. Uh, he is on and he

talks about how, uh, it's all just like the end is here kind of stuff. Like, uh, we're in a, we're in a Marshall law state already. Um, he has a good quote. Uh, they, uh, the, the, the Patriot act was already signed the globalist sacrifice live children. If they'll take your guns, they'll take your life. That sort of shit. He also, uh, I wanted to inform everyone that Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, was the successor of Alistair Crowley and was the head of the OTO, the, uh, Ordo temple, temple. I don't want to get back to bullhorn talk. This is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. He has, um, Paul Craig Roberts on a founder of Reaganomics as Alex would call him.

Right. Also a gentleman who's like, we've discussed written for Sputnik for years and years. Also, if you are the founder of Reaganomics, you are an insane person. They mostly just talk about economic collapse. Uh, and whatever. Well, they were right on time a little late. Um, and they talk about how it's going to get worse. And then he has an hour and a half. Unless there is some sort of massive stimulus package that's passed through Congress that will, they probably be against that. Oh, okay. Um, then he has an hour and a half interview with David Ike and, uh, all right. The interview with David Ike is not good. Like it's just, it's just boring.

Like as much as I want to play clips of David Ike, uh, for you saying nonsense, I would love to, but it's just nothing. He should have been using a bullhorn. It's absolutely nothing. It's just, uh, it's just the two of them sort of starting to understand why he wants to talk about this bullhorn a lot. Cause I'm, I'm liking saying the word bullhorn. Yeah. The only thing a lot of all in there, the only thing that David Ike said that I thought was like, uh, I mean, he doesn't talk lizards when he's on, uh, when he's on Alex's show, he keeps that sort of talk close to the vest. Of course.

But he does say that people like Barack Obama are white people in black bodies. And that made me a bit uncomfortable. All right. I don't know what that means. I don't either, but he says he was quoting somebody else, but I couldn't, I don't know who I couldn't make out who he was saying. And so I just, I don't have the clip of it. I would have researched who he was quoting, but it's just, he just, no, it's a bad interview. It's actually Dennis Haster. So anyway, yo boy. So he gets done with David Ike and then he gets back to the bullhorn. Okay. What, what is the surprise today? Well, it's not, um, Alex Jones,

tyranny crusher one. This was the first time we ever did an eBay item. And the reason we did it is because people are like, well, this megaphone's broken. We've bought a new one. You've had this one for all these years. It's in the movie, a scanner, darkly that they wrote a scope. That's really me in the bullhorn in there. Yep. We'll play a clip of that in a moment. No, he's going to play a clip just to prove that he was in the, we know you're in the movie, Alex. That's not, who cares. I don't know. I like it. Movie memorabilia. Um, sell it to the hard rock. This is the surprise, surprise. Come up in a minute, tyranny crusher one, you know,

should we get it fixed like a $125 megaphone or should we sell it? And obviously it's a fundraiser. We're not saying the megaphone, just as a megaphone is worth $3,500. I think it's the latest bid on there for it. We open it up to 1500. There is tyranny crusher one on the prison planet.TV screen. So he's, he, he, there's two important things going on here. He's calling the bullhorn tyranny crusher one. He said that already. You didn't catch that. It's a great name. I caught it, but I'm still struggling to wrap my head around that fact. You're trying to wrap your head around it. Oh, there we go. It's a pretty good name for a bullhorn and it's great that he, he has to keep talking about it. I like living in a world where

you can just say it's a pretty good name for a bullhorn and everybody's like, yeah, and then we move on. That's an insane thing to say, right? Are you not concerned about what the surprise is? No, I think the surprise is that this bullhorn is going to sell for a lot of money. When I was going back through my notes, here's the note that I have from this timestamp. Alex has a big surprise. Also still trying to sell that bull. Also still trying to sell that bullhorn. So I was going back through and I'm like, he didn't have a surprise because I couldn't remember what the surprise was. Then I remembered, oh, that's the surprise. Charlie Sheen gave him a jacket.

That's his big surprise. Oh, he was in a nice jacket. It's a letterman jacket. It's the jacket that he wore in red dawn. Really? Yeah. I would like that jacket. Allegedly. It may or may not be true, but there's no way that's true. It could be. What in which jacket? So Alex is also Wolverines. Alex yells that a bunch, which again, people did not understand the point of that movie at all. Alex might not either. It was an allegory, but Alex is super excited to tell everyone that he has Charlie Sheen's jacket from red dawn in the context of I'm over in this bullhorn. I will not sell you this jacket. All right. That's what kind of a guy Charlie Sheen is. He's such a good man. He'll give you this jacket. That's what he does for his friends.

All right. And so that ends up leading bullhorn is tyranny crusher one. This jacket is heroic death one. I don't know. I don't know. So that leads him to play some clips from red dawn. Now I'm in. I love this show. Every time a listener is like, you know, I used to listen to Alex a long time ago because I thought he was funny. I'm like, because I never did. And I'm always like, this guy is a fucking insane racist monster. And now listening back to the 2009, I get it, man. Well, this is pretty funny. Keep in mind playing clips of red dawn, but keep in mind that this is like a four hour show and I'm playing you 20 minutes of it. That's all I needed to listen to. There's the repetitive commercial. I'm not going to,

I'm not going to actually go back and listen to the show, but come on. A guy who's selling a bullhorn named and not selling a jacket. That is just great radio. So he starts playing some clips from red dawn and then he makes an announcement over them. Oh, he tackles even the jacket. He's so happy. By the way, I'm on Russia today during election day for full hour. Smooth. Smooth like silk. Oh, he tackles it in the jacket. By the way, I'm on Russia today for the full hour during election coverage. God, that's so great. That's pretty amazing. That makes me so happy. Yeah. He's so happy. Look at how happy he is. He's pretty good. He is loving watching red dawn on the radio.

This is a man who is getting paid to play clips from red dawn. That is a happy man. I think if anything, Alex Jones, and I mean, we'll see what else we end up learning through this like a trip through 2009, but I think he should live on in everyone's memory, not as a racist propagandist because he is that. Yeah. But I think more importantly to all of our hearts, he should serve as a cautionary tale like Icarus. Don't take super male vitality. Well, there's that. Yeah. But also like Icarus, he flew too close to the sun. You know, like he, whatever it is, it's probably a lust for money or whatever. Like he got, he got money and he wanted more. He wanted more. Right. The luxury. He got flattered and he wanted more. He wanted,

he wanted his dad to love him when the happiest he could possibly ever be is right around here. He's making enough money to live. Yeah. He has a fan base. He's getting to do whatever the fuck he wants. Consequence free. Just say a bunch of shit. No one's going to sue him. He owns his own home. Yeah. Like he's doing it, but he wants a bigger one. I don't understand that. I don't think that's like, like for us, getting to the point where it's just like, we have enough donations so you can pay your rent is the happiest we're ever going to be. Everything from here is going to be garbage. No, we could get happier, but like the idea of like being rich doesn't charm me. No, it sucks. Clearly. Like this is, this is great for us. If we ever do become successful,

immediately we're both going to be like, no, I can't turn into that guy. You got, you guys can have tyranny crusher one through five Jordan. We don't need it. This might not be the best time to tell you this. What? I'm selling a broken megaphone. No. What's the name? Uh, it doesn't have a name. I don't think it's fun to name megaphone's just bullhorn. Wait, what's the difference between a bullhorn and a megaphone? Megaphone is just that tube that you put your mouth at the base of and it amplifies your voice. Like a Voo Voo Zayla. Is that what you're talking about? No, you don't blow into it. You do. It's just like a, like a cone basically that you yell at him. Whereas the megaphone has electric parts. The bullhorn,

you mean? Yes. Turns out, I don't know the difference. Anyway, you know what I do know? Alex Jones is a fucking insane gold salesman in 2009. Okay. The level, you can wear him as pants. The level to which he is incorporating Midas resources without disclosing their relationship. Do you mean that they own him entirely? Yeah. It's crazy. Okay. Like he ends almost every show with Ted Anderson coming in and telling him about what bullion he's bought. Like, Hey, I got a couple of Franks that need to go. I got some Buffalo coins and that is like the host of a major TV show on Fox news, bringing in a lawyer that he has nevermind. Yeah. No, no, very. It's,

it's just crazy on that. No correlation. No, not at all. So at this point, and I want to stress, like he had done a half hour interview with Paul Craig Roberts, just about like the economy collapsing and stuff like that. Right. And so now towards the end of the show and about the, like, you know, we're, we're a good three and a half hours into the show. Now he brings in Ted. In closing, again, we're trying to fund this operation and the reason we're able to expand or maintain, I'm kind of wondering, are we going to expand or just maintain with the economy the way it is? We need more funds. And I hope you will get the books and videos and materials and also support our sponsors and one of them is the place I buy precious metals.

Real quick, he says that they're a sponsor, but that's not really accurate. That is not, I've looked at they're an ownership group. I've looked a little bit into the FTC's guidelines in terms of like how you're supposed to represent sponsorships and stuff like that. And spiritually, I think this is a crime. I legitimately, I can't, I can't say for sure, and it's going to take a little more research on my part. But the fact that he's being syndicated by the guy's company and not disclosing that, that is a unfair representation of their relationship. Yeah, Sinclair Media. Who cares? And Ted has still got gold at 60, 70, some of the pieces, $80 under the price

it's selling for. Gold is up right now. I write at $15 today from yesterday and you heard Dr. Paul Craig Roberts say we will have a depression worse. He never talked like that. The father of ergonomics. So I wanted to bring Ted on. Ted Anderson here. He's been on for about a week. Ted, you've got the super deal for people. Tell folks about it. I did. I was able to even back down a little bit on the British sovereigns and Franks right now. I've got the French Frank 204 and the British sovereign at $252. So, so, so where is that price in the market? Like $7,760? Yeah, comparatively speaking, I did a little check on it and I was looking to see where I

that's really boring stuff. But the point that I wanted to keep in the end there was that Alex is like talking price points. He's very aware of the business. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. He's very involved. Wait, so you're telling me that you're selling gold at 35% of what it is that it would be on the market? How can you get away with these prices, Dan? Yeah, they're in. Oh, they're in there. We're going to have to put a clock on this. We're going to have to put a clock because we're going to sell out of gold. We're going to sell out of French Franks. I don't know if those are gold, but that's fine. We're going to, you got an hour. Call in now. Right. We're going to sell out. This is not like, this is not acceptable. Also, we have a suite of samurai

swords which are made out of Frank, Frankophiles, not even French Franks, but people who like France. This isn't close to acceptable broadcast behavior. It's whenever you, like if Alex like slightly unaware of the business and just letting Ted talk, having a Ted talk, that would be slightly different, but he's doing it like, I mean, it's not funny, but it's like a vaudeville routine. The two of them are going back and forth. Absolutely. It's very weird. So that's the end of the eighth and now we jump into the ninth. And Jordan, if you have been confused up till now, how is this going to get more confused? This is going to get so much worse. How much does the bullhorn cost? We're going to get to it. It still hasn't finished.

Bullhorn's still in play. Bullhorn's still in play. All right. All right. But at the beginning of this show, Alex Jones talks about a president who's, uh, Donald Trump is a big fan of, and Alex is a big fan of in present day. So you're talking about Andrew Jackson. Uh, Hitler gave speeches about it, wrote about it. He got his policies for death camps and rounding up populations, non-Aryan groups in Russia and all over Europe from the American Indian program here in the United States. And of course that adopted a lot from those that invented it, the British, the concentration camp. It was Andrew Jackson

who turned around and did some of the same stuff to Native Americans. Not a laughing. No, the giggles not great, but the, but the awareness there is that, uh, Andrew Jackson is in league with Hitler. That's weird. I don't, that's very weird. So the problem here is that this suggests that he actually does know something about history at this point in time. Like he, like, for all the, for all the times we talk about how he's read all of these sources and he just willfully lies about that. He probably heard a roar after 2009. Yeah, that's possible. But, but that's, that's the thing. Like on the stupid slash evil continuum that we often disagree upon, wherein we're talking about,

you know, is his reading comprehension so low? Is that the real issue? And that's why he misunderstands all of these things. Now, if you get, if you can read the history of Andrew Jackson and get that he is a fucking monster and then report that like a reasonable human being, that suggests that later on you are willfully lying about Andrew Jackson and all of this shit. You are willfully lying about all of these primary sources that you say you understand because you can. It is, you, it is within your capability to recognize that America is genociders. I don't think it's that cut and dry because that's such a simple conclusion to come to. You know, like you could read a children's coloring book and find out that Andrew Jackson was a genocider. You know, like, you know, it,

we should publish a series of knowledge fight coloring books that talk about real American history. Oh, dude, that would be very unmarketable. But you know, like that, that to me doesn't, that doesn't indicate too much in terms of what's the, what's that children's book? Go the fuck to sleep. Yeah. I think America's version would be go the fuck to hell. Something along those lines. Go the fuck to democracy. So Jordan, you're asking questions about that bullhorn. And I am thrilled to tell you that I have answers. Always asking questions about that bullhorn. By the way, the Alex Jones, tyranny crusher, one bullhorn longer on eBay.

Only a couple of days into a seven day bid is over $50,000 right now. Wow. Now, somebody put in one for five million and then bragged that it was fake. We just googled their handle and found out that it was part of a government group. What? Government affiliated group laughing openly saying they wanted to screw it up, but we just canceled their bid and it's legitimate cancellation because we have their own handle, their own admission, where they're admitting that they are even posting their bidding details on the web, posting the evidence of their felony. We went and looked it up. A memory told me it was a felony. $10,000 federal. It's above $6,000 for state felony. But I don't know what state this individual's in. States can't have

felonies, right? You can always subpoena those, but it looks like we'll be able to handle those problems. We've talked to eBay now and they, they did say that if these people did succeed, that there would be criminal charges. And they put it in on the bullhorn. They're not going to be successful in their criminal activities. They're admitted criminal activities, but they're doing important work, of course, for SENTCOM. So it's, it's okay. What is SENTCOM? Central command. Oh, uh, he believes that's less fun than I was hoping. He believes that a government agency, he was trying to fuck with him by putting in a troll bid for $5 million for his broken bullhorn. I, that's why I prefer a government that does that, dad. I prefer a government that is willing

to troll Alex Jones in that fashion. I understand that like Cointel pro is a thing and like infiltration exists and that sort of stuff. I get that. Don't get me wrong. I am, that is not lost on me. No. Yeah. But yeah. But also Hoover never, uh, never was like, Hey, I'll buy your, uh, your notes on the, I have a dream speech for $5 million. Yeah. Also, this is like, you know, 2009 is where you're getting like beginnings of people figuring out like really good ways to fuck with people on the internet. Uh, and maybe Alex Jones, it was a happier time. And maybe Alex's world kind of like, uh, coalesced a lot of those people for and against him, you know, and someone was just fucking with him on eBay. I think that's the absolute most likely thing. Oh yeah. Of course,

it was not a government agency, but it was a, it was a 14 year old, but that does not stop Alex from spiraling into a vicious rant about these people of the internet who are fucking with me. Uh, yeah. And if you didn't know that you, you've got some sent common FBI guys in there with you, I know some of you were just fellow traveler lobotomy type folks. Oh, those lobotomy heads your mothers didn't breastfeed you and then you drank fluoride. So your brain's tiny and got rotholes in it. Oh, you didn't know that. Of course, you'll just laugh. You'll go, Oh, my mom didn't breastfeed me. That's true. But you won't Google and read the BBC Associated Press about your brain being 15 to 30% smaller, depending on the study.

Oh boy, you'll just laugh. It's on the study, but I guarantee you mama puts you in a crib in dirty diapers and didn't take care of you. And that's your problem. And I'm sorry, they savaged your mind so that you couldn't connect your intellect with your soul. Wow. That's weird. And this is that like teleportation without a soul, something like that. So a little bit along those lines. This is another point that I need to bring up that I have discovered from watching these, this 2009 shit. Alex has been against Satan the whole time. Like there was a part of me that like I used to listen to his show. Yeah. You know, like when I was younger and I'd be like, Oh, these conspiracies are wild and like kind of fun and everything.

But like, I didn't, I didn't understand like, did you put in that bed? What? Dan, did you put in that bed? No, no, I did not work for sent com Dan, but I didn't understand that he was fucking against Satan from the jump. Like I didn't realize that this is a decade. Of course, he's against Satan. He doesn't talk about it much, but Satan is ostensibly a bad character. Right. But I thought that that was a newer wrinkle in his world. Like his cosmology, the Oh, there's devil, the literal Christian devil behind all of this. It's, it's there. See, I assumed immediately the moment you bring up the devil, you've always been bringing up the devil at the end of this. No, there's nobody who just suddenly starts bringing up the devil. That's

not true. You've always been against the devil. There's people who are born again at like 40 or something like that who get, you know, they change. Yeah. But he clearly wasn't born again. This is shit that he's grown up with. It's, it's probably, I bet in early, I bet he has a grandma who talked about the devil nonstop, but I bet in early 2000s, he wasn't like overtly talking about Satan's behind all these people I don't like. He has an hour interview at the end of the show with a guy named Alan Watt, not Alan Watts, the Alan Watts. No, Alan Watts is the other guy. Yes. Alan Watt is the guy who Alex talks to, not the guy who's interested in Taoist philosophy, not the inspirational speaker that you find videos of giving flowing speeches about human

potential right on YouTube. No, Alan Watt is a guy who believes in the Illuminati. Gotcha. And he's very similar. He's probably behind a lot of Alex's end game beliefs, honestly, because every time he comes on the show, it's just, it's just the plot of end game. Okay. And on this appearance here on the 9th, January 9th, 2009, he is literally talking about the Christian devil being behind all of the problems. Lucifer. Yes. The Fallen, the Fallen Star. Yes. And so, like, it's just, it just, it, that blew my mind. And so when he's talking about your intellect not being connected to your soul, there's so much there. It's surprising to me that all it takes to connect, to connect to the intellect of the soul is breastfeeding. Breast milk, baby.

That seems suspicious. Yeah, weird. I would like to see a peer reviewed study on that. Well, it depends on based on the study. That's a good point. Depends. You got 15 to 30% more soul if you've been breastfed. Yeah. The soul quotient depends on study. So he's not done complaining about these people launched into this tirade by the troll bid on his right. Right. Right. And so now he talks about that's because of fluoride. No, it's about not breastfeeding, not breastfeeding. And then he gets into some groups of people he hates. They pumped you full of yourself and told you you were the elite and got you all arrogant, slack, jod, and smiley face. You know the spirit I'm talking about, the attitude, the cowardly attitude of these little

metrosexual men out there today and all of these. Well, at least we know he's still home. Psycho worldly women. Oh, those women who have had more abortions than they've than they've paid for bought cars in their lives. You know, they get abortion every two years, get a new car every two years. Who gets a new car? You didn't care about that baby? Well, the elite doesn't care about you either, honey. That baby wasn't a human being. Well, you're not either. So, all right. So a lot of that goodwill we were feeling earlier. We're back in comfortable territory. Homophobic, misogynistic. I'm a critical. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, these women with their abortions. I've only paid for like 15 of them. Yeah. How many cars have you bought?

Something like that every two years. Every two years I pay for another abortion. Yeah, it's nuts, man. What is that is right? And we're a boat that is coming. Now we're right in there. Now the storm has passed, dad. Also, remember when people used to complain about metrosexuals? I know that was a more interesting time. That was a fun time. Oh, these men are acting like they're not from the fifties. Oh, with their jeans. Dan, their jeans fit. You should get random jeans. Spell jeans. Absolutely. All right. I got it. I got it. Jordan. All right, Dan. Jordan. Spell jeans. Come on. You're going to get a negative one point for that. Jordan. I don't know how to do this to you. I don't know what to do.

All right. Alex Jones is first guest on the ninth. I'm out. There's a guy by the name of Russell Means. Does that name mean anything to you? Spell Means. M-E-A-N-S. He is a Native American activist who's been doing sit-ins and occupations of like Alcatraz other locations since the late 60s. Okay. So far I'm on board. He is a gentleman who believes in like Lakota rights and original peoples. Still good. He and I are getting along so far. But here's the thing. He's on Alex's show. It's not a great sign. No, but it's not a great sign. It goes back to him being mad at the cops. But it's like, it's like when the reasonable scientist was on a show. Do you remember that one? Deena Dell. Yeah. Yeah. Deena. Man. Never going to not think he's Deena Dell. But at least Deena

Dell was like Deena Dell was at least he is a broadcaster. Right. Right. And he was he was utterly bewildered by Alex. I have good news and bad news about Russell Means. Okay. I support. What do you mean? What? I means that he has a lot of good ideas and I support them in terms of Native American issues. Okay. First peoples issues. You are really trying to cover your bases here. No, but throughout the interview he gets into like it's the Rothschilds and something like that. All right. All right. Here we go. Okay. But at the same time in 2009, Alex was willing to have someone who is made their entire life about trying to get rights for a minority which is again crazy. I mean, what do you what do you view somebody like if we have a massive

speaker like somebody who is tirelessly tirelessly campaigning for equal pay for women and they just will not fucking give it up and they do so much good in their life. But then at a certain point you find out it's like and the reason that I've been campaigning for women is because everyone who doesn't campaign for women is controlled by the devil and you're like I support what you're doing and I'm just going to look over your I'm going to look over this one part where you think it's the devil because it could be because at the end of the day it could be the devil. It could be Paul Ryan. It doesn't matter. They're all evil. You're looking at the wrong thing. Okay. I'm not concerned about where Russell's motivation comes from or whatever dumb ideas he's become beholden

to late in life because I don't think he was on that tip in the mid late 60s when he was an activist and throughout his life he was an activist. Am I going to take that away from him? I don't I will say that I did not have time to do a massive deep dive into Russell Means life but from what I could gather a lot of it. Russell Means life sounds like a great name for his website was Russell Means Freedom. Oh, I like that. Yeah, that's clever. But like I don't I don't I don't judge the Rothschild narrative becoming a piece of his thing. I'm not I don't give a shit about that. Yeah, I'm concerned with the idea that in 2009, Alex Jones had a Native American activist on the show and he was like, yep, absolutely. He was like he was on but he wasn't

talking about how it's a plan to separate us and balkanize us divide and conquer these narrative Americans who want rights. It's all the globalists just trying to make white people feel guilty. Yeah, it wasn't anything like that. He was talking to him from a position of like, I agree with you. And that's nuts. That is nuts. Now this next clip is even more nuts. Okay. But I want to shift gears and the time we have left with him on the parallels between what's happening with the Gazans because they're dead and dying. No, right now, Gaza Children what's bound with mother's corpses, the New York Times, the International Committee of the Red Cross said Thursday, it had discovered shocking scenes, including small children next to their mother's

corpses. Well, at least with wounded knee, they killed all the kids too. When his representatives gained access for the first time to parts of Gaza battered by Israeli shelling, it accused Israel of failing to meet obligations to care for the wounded in the combat areas. So that part where he's talking about at least they killed the children that's that's dark bananas. That's dark humor. No, no, no, that that one I'm just gonna pass over and you should. That's just him. That's just that's gonna pass. I think you should. I got you. Yeah, I got you now. Come on. Come on a second. Come on. I was getting defensive. All right. That's that's nuts. That's nuts. That's nuts. And I think

who is this man? There's this man there. There's so many other there's a couple other instances that were too garbled and like way out of context, we have to listen to much longer clips. Yeah, in order to get the the sound bite to make sense. But there are a number of other points where he's like, fucking critical of Israel. And the thing I want to take away from this clip is a very strong message to all of the people out there who claim that Alex Jones refuses to talk about Israel. Go fuck yourself. He does. He at least in 2009. I don't know how how this changes over time or whatever. But like him saying they're killing the Gaza people the people in Gaza, like that that's as far as you need to go for at least a first step, you know, that is that's something

that if he was as his critics, his anti-Semitic critics alleged that he works for a Mossad, he would never fucking say something like that. Well, even even more bananas. Most if not all people, no matter how liberal that they were or profess to be at that time, were still avoiding the talk of Israel's war crimes as much as humanly possible. Sure. Like it doesn't matter who you were back then. There's a 98% chance you were like, Oh, I'm not talking about Israel. The fact that Alex is at that. Oh, man, this is so weird. Yeah, the fact that Alex Jones is literally coming out and saying that Israel is committing war crimes at a time period where Obama would not even talk about that shit. If you brought up

Israel, Obama at that time would have been like, you know, and then moved on as fast as possible. Yeah. Like this is bananas. And what's even more fucked up is like I said, there are, there are more clips of him on that tip bananas around this time. I don't know how to deal with this. I don't either. I don't either. And I think it, I think it almost feels like we need to do a spin off show about Alex in 2009 that is not related to the knowledge fight show. That's because this is a completely different person. No, that's what the show is from now on. I don't care about the present. Like it's just like we said in the last episode, it's all distractions. It's all this obfuscating and dumb. Like I would much rather figure out where does the breaking

point come? Yeah, because it's it has to, it was, it wasn't Trump. No, because now we proved that when we went back to 2015, he was a fucking monster. Yeah, absolutely. Trump. Yeah. He was, he was saying that the day after the Charleston shooting, he said, well, this guy really wanted to be racist. He should have been an abortion doctor. Yeah. Like that kind of shit. Like exactly. That guy was already there in 2015. Yeah. So it had to have been something before that where it just everything went wrong because as much as much as like this guy that we're listening to in 2009 does suck. He sucks. No, for sure. Because you're seeing him shit on women who've had abortions when he secretly had 10 at this point and so many to it. So many. He's garbage. He's yelling

about how like, Oh, if you, you're a critic of mine, you just weren't breastfed. Right. He's, he's, he's a dick and he's clearly a manipulative gold salesman slash broken bullhorn salesman. Of course. But the, the, which is a tough job to get. It is really hard to become a broken bullhorn salesman. It's like a hard double major. Super hard to get. The two, but the narratives that we're seeing, you know, like the, with the cop shooting of Oscar Graham with him talking about Israel bombing people in Gaza and it's murder. Yeah. Those sorts of things are things you could talk about. You know, like nowadays, nothing he talks about, you can talk about. Right. Nothing. No, it's, it's a conversation. It's, it's just like I've talked about in so many times of like,

if you, if you are on the right, it's not like I hate conservatives or right wing people so much as it is like, they should just be ignored because if you can't have a conversation about what the best way to tackle climate change is, if you, if you aren't willing to be like, well, here's, here's how we should tackle it versus how you want to tackle it. That's a conversation. If you just say, nah, it doesn't exist, then fuck off, go away. Right. Like this is an Alex Jones where you're like, okay, well, how do we tackle this police brutality issue? How do we tackle the unchecked fucking power of these people, which is clearly built, clearly based in a white supremacy that we're, we're just not past. This is an Alex who you can actually have a conversation with

about how to correct these issues because he notices what the issues are. You can go to the second step. I don't understand. Yeah. I don't understand how it is. This guy goes from that. Is it, is it really just team sports? I don't think so. Is that all it really is? I don't think so. I don't know. Like, is it just, is it just, is it just that people have turned from whatever advanced knowledge I have of the other episodes I've listened to in 2009? I don't know. Okay. I don't know. All right. This is going to be wild. Yeah. It's the, I'm going to have to recalibrate my entire belief system now, but we got to keep this fresh. Isn't this more fun? This is super weird. I'm scared. Yeah. So don't be scared. In this next clip, Alex Jones has something very

insulting about Native Americans to this Native American activist. I mean, at least the fact that the, the, the glass bead Wampum had some visual value, but was still a scam to sell New York. Now they just show you an empty box and say, look at how beautiful it is. And we sell our whole souls, sell our future. So people make fun of the Native Americans, you know, buying the pretty blue and red glass beads and nails and knives and haircombs. But I mean, we've sold our souls for nothing. I would argue that the people who you make fun of or you're pointing the finger at are the people who offered the beads. I think that's more the lesson of history is look at these shitty white dudes manipulating people.

I don't know if Alex is getting the wrong lesson from very basic history, but it seems like he might be thinking that everyone's laughing at the Native Americans for accepting that as opposed to anyway. This is, I am, but, but, but do you, if you, if you followed my feelings throughout this whole thing, it would be the EKG of a man having a heart attack. Like I'm going up and down. So fucking, but you did hear Russell laugh. Yeah. He's, he, there's, there's good spirit behind it. It's not like he's saying this and he's like, Hey, fuck you, man. Yeah. Uh, good. It's a mess. So a little later, Alex Jones has a visit from someone we know very well, a dear friend of ours. That's such a weird thing.

What? Just the idea of a man who's still, who, who says wampum. Yeah. Just that concept. And it's not like a hack bit. No. You hear wampum sometimes in, uh, jokes. No, this is a man who's like, wampum is a totally legitimate thing to say, but I think he was using it for effect. You know what I'm saying? No, I think he uses it like a conversationally. I don't know. We don't have enough context. I would argue, and I think that it's the same thing as him saying, uh, Hey, at least it wounded me. They killed all the children. You know, it's that same sort of comedy, but I think it's that same sort of thing. I don't think he's saying it in any insulting way. I think he's saying it with a wink and a nod. You know what I'm saying?

I, I would, uh, I wouldn't go that far. I'm giving a lot of leeway because of the other stuff. I don't think he's saying it with a wink and a nod. I think he's saying it in pure ignorance of like, well, there's nothing wrong with saying wampum. That's a normal thing that happened in 1940s loony tunes cartoons. So it's clearly fine. Uh, maybe, I don't know. Anyway, we get a visit on the show from a buddy, a buddy of ours, an old friend, Jesus. No, Larry, Stevie, Larry, Nick's still haven't seen him in 2009. Oh, when is he creeping around somewhere? He's in play. Steve Pachennick is in play at some point soon. Like these guys are part of Alex's world. We just haven't seen them. Yeah. They're coming. People like Paul Craig Roberts,

people like Gerald Salenti are much more regular guests at this point, but those dudes have to show up at some point pretty soon. You would think I eagerly await it. Right. Here's the problem. Oh, man. With the first Pachennick appearance, that's going to be a banner day for us with this stream that I'm getting all of these episodes from. I don't know why I'm on this show. You're an asshole. Nothing is labeled like, uh, in terms of the episodes, just as the dates and stuff like that. So I know nothing going on, listening to these episodes. Thankfully, at this point in Alex Jones' broadcast career, he starts every show by being like, well, today we're going to be talking to X, Y and Z. He starts and so I can get a sense of classic radio. Never does that anymore. Uh, but,

that's the secret of 2017 with modern episodes, you know, up to about like, uh, 2013 or so. You can find them on YouTube and I can just see who the guests are and be like, oh, I'm a moto. Let's do this thing. You know, whereas now I'm like, I'm flying blind. This is, this is the chat room. Rappaport, I think is not in play. Okay. I think he's came around in like 2013 or so. I think, I'm not entirely sure, but boy, if Rappaport shows up randomly, this is turning into such a weird, like, uh, it's an origin story. This is, this is like his blue period. Like, this is such a weird artist, uh, character arc throughout this whole thing. This is bananas. You know what it is? This is when Alex was into realism. This was a, when Alex was into post-modernism. This is when

Alex was a pointillist. Like, this is bananas. No, it's, it's, what's fascinating is I think that we have tapped into, um, to some extent, a villain's origin story. Yeah. Well, because at this point you do see the remnants or the remnants, or they only are seeds. They're only remnants because we know the future. Yeah. They're seeds. You see, you see the kernels of rationality. You see the kernels of like, oh, all right. You're thinking. And then you see the kernels of delightfulness with the singing along with the highway man. Right. The talking about stealing beer out of carts. Like, and this is, this is Jack Nicholson's Joker is what this is. Sure. Yeah. Sure. That's a great movie. Sure. And so as, as this goes along, I think what we're going to see is a man get worse

and worse and worse. And I don't know. Yeah. There's no other, there's no other direction for this to go. Oh, either that or for some, like somehow, let's say we continue this investigation and it turns out in 2010, he peaks in this weird, like, woke, in his words, classical liberal concept and he's fucking crushing it. And then something bad happens to him, like he falls into a vat of acid, something along those lines, like something horrific has to turn him into the monster that he is today. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he got hit by a meteor or again, was murdered by the globalists and replaced with an Alex Jones chimera. I have called it right now, ladies and gentlemen. That's your prediction. Alex Jones that we know today was grown in a tank of a cow uterus or whatever

it is he thinks they are. I'm very, you know, I'm very confused. I try and think about like life events that have happened and certainly the divorce was a big event that happened. Didn't help. But I don't think. When was that? Like 2015? 2015. Yeah. That's when it was formalized. But I mean, it could have been falling apart for a while before that. Oh, they always do. And that would be, that would actually be the least appealing narrative to me. If we go back and it turns out that around when the marriage fell apart, that is when he lost his mind. Yeah, because then it's just like that would be such a bummer. It's just a sad, sad story. Such a bummer. Yeah, you kind of wanted to have more. There's got to be some drama. Yeah. Yeah. But who knows? We'll see. All right.

Anyway, yeah, who's our friend? Who's our friend? Who's our friend? I don't know who our friend is. You're the one who runs this fucking show. I'll give you 20 questions to figure out who our friend is. All right. Is he white? Yes. No shit. How dare you even ask that? It's like we're playing guess who. I was just thinking the same thing. Is he, is he a pseudo scientist? No. Is he a climate denier? Debatable, but no, that's not debatable. That's not, that's not essential to his character. All right. Is he a player? Is he a player in the game? Is he, is he like a secret agent type? He doesn't have any like insider information. No. Okay. Is he former law enforcement of any kind? Not that I'm aware of and not that

matters. Okay. Like it doesn't, that doesn't come in time. All right. Is he a homimodo? No, I wish. I haven't said his name yet in the show that if that. Oh, well then now I don't even fucking know. Let me just. Oh wait. No, tonight. Okay. All right. Well then, fuck it. Keep going. No, no, you go, you go. No, I don't, I don't, I don't have any more questions. I guess you do. What do you, I have so many more questions. I just have too many questions. You can get there. Come on, you can do this. I believe in you. All right. I believe. Is he a member of a former Republican administration? No. Never been in politics. Never been in politics. Not that I'm aware of. I got nothing. He's been on our show exactly one time. Well then how the fuck am I supposed to

know? I don't even remember it. We talked to, we talked to Stevie Larry Nixon. I forget his name half the time. It's very memorable. Is it Charlie Sheen? No. All right. Is it, no, I got nothing. Come on. Just tell me. Just tell me. Don't draw this out. Don't draw this out. Don't make me feel stupid. It's a guy who said that he saw Reagan get butt fucked. Oh, God damn it. I was actually going to make a reference to that earlier in the show. God damn it. It's Bob Chapman. Bob Chapman. The international forecaster, Bob Chapman. All right. He is a guy who runs a publication called the international forecaster where they give a bunch of weather updates, predictions about, about stuff. Yeah. And hey, guess what? We didn't realize from the times we've listened to him.

He is just a fucking shill for gold sales. No. I think the only true place to be for safety is gold and silver related assets. And if you are a wealthy person and you want to have 20 or 30 or 40% of your assets in another safe place or a relatively safe place, I have recommended Swiss franc treasuries. Other than that, I don't have anything to offer. Okay. So it's getting gold or silver or Swiss bank accounts, Swiss bank accounts that those are the safe places to put your money. That sounds right. Thank you, Bob. Thanks, Bob. Sounds right. Oh, so you're coming on. Is that all he talked about? You're coming on a conspiracy theorists show who is owned by a golden silver sale operation. Right. A fraudulent, a notoriously fraudulent

golden silver sale operation. When it was lost, his license out six years after this, but it's been sued multiple times. It takes a long time for the government to actually screw with rich people. Yeah. Yeah. He's been, he's been committing the crimes for a long time. And so he comes on and says the only safe place for you to be. Only safe place. Only safe place. Swiss bank accounts. Right. Which agreed. Is that agreed? Yeah. Don't you came in islands at now? Don't you do something like that? Don't you set up a shell corporation? I didn't fuck with you. Like the Miami Marlins have a shell corporation. They have an office set up in fucking nowhere with nobody who does it. Too risky. So you're like, you know,

you want to sell golden silver, Bob's got a recommendation for you. What's Bob's recommendation? How you going, Bob? But I wanted to ask Bob, pretty much, is it even worth us paying? I know it's pretty stupid, but I mean, just asking, since the money's pretty much going to amount to nothing, is it pretty much even worth paying like most of these bills and credit card debts and all these sort of things that the American people are going to be having to deal with? I mean, if the money's pretty much going to be worth nothing at all? Well, you've got to understand that the people that you owe the money to are still going to be within the system. There is going to be some kind of a system. Maybe it'll break down from time to

time, but you're still going to have to pay it off. And just because the value of the dollar goes down, it still means that you have to pay those bills. The way you protect yourself is to call Midas and purchase gold and silver coins. Oh, no! Too over. No! Too over. He was almost giving great financial advice. Well, he was really close to it. Well, no, because that wasn't good advice. That's just don't be an idiot. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. On Alex's show, that qualifies as the best advice anybody's ever given. Your debts don't disappear because of bad time. That's great. Sure. But that's a reality check. I still pay my credit card bill. I don't think the world is going to last another 10 years, but I don't want to get fucked over before then. That's a reality check

in some people who are too far gone for sure. But the other thing is the answer is call Midas. Yeah, that's not great. That's too fucking over. That is too much. So this interview goes on a little while. No, that's some full on better call Saul type shit right there. This interview goes on a little while. Which, by the way, speaking of which, they fucking confiscated like 16 burner phones from Michael Cohen. Yeah. That is some for real better call Saul type shit right there. Yeah. Like you saw it in Breaking Bad whenever he opened the drawer with 16 burner phones. I think that's a guy who was the lawyer for the president. I find that hilarious. The limit on phones is three for me for, for burner phones, humans, human for humans, for human phones, three

phones. You can have three phones. If you have 16 phones, why do you have 16 phones, three phones? And one of them is in your house. One of them's a whole one's a landline. Well, maybe you got to call into radio shows or something like that. It's a better connection. You know, that, that sort of thing. I've heard people talk about that. I didn't know that. I've heard that from people. Maybe they don't, they just get a solid VoIP. That's all I'm saying. Hey, but look, I'll accept that as one phone. All right. That's one phone. Personal cell. Wireless cell. Business. That's it. You got three. That's it. That's it. More than that, you have, you have, you are committing crimes to quote Mr. Arnaz. You got some explaining to do. I don't, I just look, it seems, you know

what? I'll go for it. I'll go for it. I'll go for it with the fourth being a wild card that I can't explain, but someone has a good explanation. You're cheating on your wife. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have an affair. Well, that's fun. Why not? Yeah. Who, who, you know, that sounds fun. Yeah. Four makes sense. Five. You're crazy. That seems like more than enough circumstantial evidence for any jury to convict you of literally anything is like, this guy had 16 phones that like, Oh yeah, he probably did some illegal shit. It's one of those times he had 16 phones. What kind of human being has 16 phones that isn't committing a crime? It's one of those times that I wish like this argument would hold up in court.

Come on. Yeah, exactly. Right. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. You just, you put your elbow down on the juror box. Come on. He's got 16 phones. Come on. Come on. Come on. Guys. Objection, your honor. Hey, sustained. Your honor. Come on. To the sidebar. Come on. Come on. Come on. What are you doing? So they take some more calls. They take some more calls and as much as we've enjoyed Alex being mad at the cops about how they killed an unarmed black man, which we've enjoyed. Uncharacteristic reasonability. It turns out that some of that might have more to do with hating the cops in 2009. He got pulled over, didn't he? He got some kind of ticky-tack bullshit. I don't know. I don't

know. I think it just, I'm not entirely sure that, I can't explain it, but I do know that it's not that he cares about black people. Yeah, well, of course. Because, listen to this. Here's some good news. Here's some good news. I went to the mall because the lady, that's my hair, is in the mall. I don't normally go to the mall. Don't really like that culture. But I'm in there and I had three separate black guys, two of them working at Little Kiosk, stop me and go, you know, I always liked you for years, but kind of got upset at first when you didn't like Obama. But I want to basically apologize. You were right about Obama and I, you know, I can see his betrayal. So give them some time. The people who won't wake up is white yuppies because they're just so arrogant. They're so

trusting in the system. Bob Chapman, you want to comment on that? No, no, it's perfect. So, Reagan got buck fucked. It's perfect. So, the reason that I think that that is racist and character is because he says that he doesn't like the culture of malls. And then immediately is like, a bunch of black people come over and told me that they're sorry about criticizing me for liking Obama or not liking Obama. Really? Well, but the fact that I did not get that. And the fact that his mind went so quickly to apologetic black people coming up to him in the mall after he said he didn't like the culture of the mall. The culture of the mall thing did not bother me at all. I don't like the culture of the mall has nothing to do with race.

I think, I think the race issue comes up when he specifically says three black people in his, in his traditional style of this is a made up thing. And I have to specifically point out minorities in order to bolster my credibility as though I have any amongst minority. But I also think from context clues, and even though we're so thrown by this man in 2009, I still think I understand his brain pretty well. Oh, no, he's still a virulent racist. And when he says I don't like the culture of the mall, I think he's responding to black people being at the mall. I think that's really because he's so quickly is saying, because he, okay, if you listen to that clip, he starts with, here's the good news. I don't like the culture of the

mall. But I was at the mall because I had to get a haircut. And black people came up to me and apologized. Right. The track of that sentence leads a person, a reasonable thinking person to assume that the culture he doesn't like in the mall has something to do with the black visible black people there. I can see generally he doesn't like it when black people don't apologize to him at the mall when he's there. That's fair. And the good news is the last time he was there, three of them did. That's that's a that's how I parse the sentence. I get that. I understand that. I'm going to be honest, though, my own personal, my own personal biases. I also don't like malls. My own personal biases came out and I was like, Oh, he doesn't like the youths.

Right. He's he watched mall rats in the 90s and he's like, I hate malls. They're all going to try and put shit on my pretzels. Also, what do you mean you don't like the culture of malls? You get your haircut in a mall. You can get your haircut anywhere. Yeah, there's so many places. There's there's salons down the street from your fucking Austin. You don't fuck. Come on. Yeah. What are you talking about? You can get your haircut fucking anywhere. It's nonsense. And also, now that's the lady that we should interview. It would be better if I want to know about the lady who cut Alex Jones's hair in 2009. I don't. I do. Probably took about 45 seconds. Still did not have a whole lot of hair back then says the guy with a ridiculous main that. Hey,

hey, hey, don't talk about receding hairlines folks. Love. I like having this hair, but man, I don't like how much it costs to get it cut. So I shant. Anyway, my bill is going down as my hairline recedes. I'll tell you that right now. Well, that's the good news. Not no black people have come up to me to tell me about how apologetic they are about my hair like. So we have one more clip and it's just further bringing home. Yeah. I've said this to you a couple of times. I've said this to other friends to Jesus in your quiet moments. I regret not naming this show. They're all con men because I think that more than talking about Alex Jones, we talk a lot about Alex Jones. Yeah. But the the through line is all these other people who come up on his show, all the people

who are involved with Project Camelot. Yeah. All these like Gavin McGinnis, Mike Cernovich, Jack Pesovic, right, Steve Pachanik, even Hamamoto. They're all fucking con men. Right. Everybody. They're all con men. Milo. Milo. Yeah. Milo is a clunky con man. But all of these people are running elaborate cons. Right. And so so you regret not naming our show something that is even harder to find than our Facebook group. Yeah, probably. Yeah. But the reason I bring this up is that you know, you got Bob Chapman on here and he said the only safe thing to do is buy gold and silver and fuck Reagan in the butt. And then he said to a caller, you need to do is call Midas. Yeah. And so here's how this show ends up.

All right. We are back live with Bob Chapman. I'm going to come back in the next whole segment and take a few more calls. But right now, briefly, I wanted Bob and Ted Anderson to have a chance to talk because I know the Midas resources also offers a trial copy of the International Forecaster. Real quick. Wait, what? Real quick. That is some cross promotion right there. Bob Chapman. That is corporate synergy, Dan. Bob Chapman. That's just great business. Bob Chapman's publication is distributed at least in part by Midas resources. So when he tells people to call Midas, he is doing a quid pro quo in some way for help with distribution. And they're all doing it on the on this show in public. It's fucking amazing. So good.

But Ted is doing gold is up again today. But Ted bought it a few weeks ago. And it was down in 60 level. Whoa. He's again, the price is close to, I guess, $90 under what it is right now. So he factors that into the savings are told folks out there about today and throughout the weekend, the gold offer. And then I don't know what Bob's going to say. I want to see what he's going to say. But you do great analyst on this of how good a deal he thinks it is. That's great. Bob Chapman and Ted Anderson, you guys talk.

Yeah. Well, basically, that's code for I want to eat a sandwich. You don't know what he's going to say. He's, he's probably going to say it's a good deal, but I don't know what he's going to say about it. I predict Bob Chapman is going to be suspicious of this deal. What, what would you give for Ted to go on and be like, today's not a good day. Not great. Today's not a good day to buy gold. Wait until tomorrow. Right. Basically what I have right now, Alex, I mean, gold did edge up again today and seen a peak of eight, 68, 90, which means it is getting stronger. The employment figures came out way low.

I mean, way higher than what it was. Oh, I mean, here's melting down. What I did is I picked up some Frank's here just a short while ago at that price level that you're referring to. And they're currently at 204, where the British service at 252. You made the mist. Walking Liberty haves are at 840 or eight dollars and 40 cents or $168 per roll of 20. All that stuff. What a deal. Good buying range. Frank Langella. Obviously with the economy.

He's great. I just can't think of a better time. Isn't that great about the devil? Getting involved in the gold and silver, plus also having a sport of rising market prices. You know, the just, you know, the whole thing. I mean, that gun issue that you're talking about earlier on, showing people's blood boil. So even Ted Anderson as a, as a energetic force on this show is saying like, in order to help sell my gold, I'm going to refer back to a gun issue that you were talking about and spoiler alert,

that was Alex earlier in the show talking about how everyone's going to get their guns taken. And he's like, I don't remember the, I don't remember the name of the bill. I've been meaning to cover it. Make your guns out of gold. They'll never be able to take them. Then he's like, I don't remember the name of the bell, but I'm going to get to it. I can't find it. And then it turns out it's a world in that daily fucking article. Like that's not a bill. Yeah. Didn't fucking happen. Nope. And also real fun.

I mean, this, these people are fucking so overt. There's so fucking hilarious. There's only one clip that I wish I would have pulled and that's where Bob Chapman is like, you better bury your guns and ammunition. There we go. He's read the book where to hide your guns, my friend. That's a man who hides his guns. It might be even further synergy that we're unaware of that. Bob Chapman owns where to hide your guns.com. Is that still, is that still up? I think it might be. Someone told me it might be. I don't remember. Anyway, we had to wrap this up. We've gotten to the end of this exploration of three days in

January, 2009. And here's what I think are the important takeaways. One, Alex is already giving unacceptable and unexplainable pro-Russian narratives in 2009 for major world events. But he's still, he's, at this time, he's sneaking them in somewhat. He's not, he's not spending 25 minutes talking about it. He's just tossing in like, hey, everything Russian does is great. Oh, we're going to move. Oh, it doesn't. Can't buy toys. Doesn't bring it back up on the night at all. No, it never came up. So that I didn't, why would it? I didn't just selectively edit.

As you said, the, the situation was resolved immediately. No, it took two weeks. Wait, it took two weeks? Yeah. And people were dying. Well, then I assume, I assume he brought it up again. Maybe. I mean, he might, I don't know. He didn't. We might see that in the next episode. You, who knows?

You've already said he doesn't. Who knows? You, who knows? You do. I don't actually know all that much. Okay. Cause actually Alex goes on vacation. I should be clear about that.

That's a little piece I know. Of course. There you go. All right. All right. Alex has, Alex then bounces. Alex has a vacation. And he has a guy named Jason Burmes host who I have no idea who that guy is. I have no idea who that guy is. All right. Now I'm interested.

He's a character from these days and not present. Is he better than a Owen Schreuer? I would bet money. He's come out since he quit and said that Alex is full of shit. I, I guess because most of his old employees have. Right. But the other thing that I think is important is that Alex is a racist, but. Yeah. Not that racist, which is interesting. Also, he's willing to talk negatively about Israel.

He's, he's one of those reflexive racists at this point in time where it, it. No, no, it's almost deep. It's deep. Exactly. Exactly. It's, it's not so much that he is out and out voting for racism, which is what he is now. It's, it's more like it's just, he's a, he's a good old boy who's raised in Texas. So of course he's fucking racist. Like even, yeah.

Like even when he's trying not to be racist, he's still going to throw in a wampum. Like he's just a monster, but, but, but also at the same time, still willing to have an interview with a guy who is there for first people's rights. Absolutely. You know, which is pretty crazy compared to the press. Bananas also. I don't know if he's ever even spoken to a non-white person in the past two years. Aside from, aside from the base of his law.

Farrakhan. Yeah. He's had a Candace Owens on. Kanye really loves. Let's not talk about it. You know, I think, I think that there's a lot of interesting threads here. And I hope that, I hope that we're able to get to the bottom of a lot of them. This is such a, this is a whole new wrinkle.

I'm so fascinated by this. How much does he sell the bullhorn for? That's what we got to find. Do we, do we not know how much he winds up selling it for? Not yet. There was a $50,000 bid. That's all we know. That can't be real.

Might be. Who knows? I don't want that bullhorn. You got to wrap this up. If you are deeply in the past, you're never going to find this bullhorn. You can first off follow us at knowledge underscore fight on Twitter. If you know where this bullhorn is, you better goddamn tweet it at knowledge underscore fight. For sure.

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I'll tell you that right now. Anyway, it's your turn. It's my turn. Oh, dude, you know exactly what it like the number of people. No, you think it's going to be related to this show that we just did. This was fantastic. But you know who I want to go fuck themselves.

All the Democrats in the world. You're goddamn fucking right. Go fuck yourselves. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you.