Knowledge Fight - #157: WWE's Kane (Ft. Marty DeRosa)

Episode Date: May 4, 2018

Today, Dan tells "Fill In Jordan" Marty DeRosa about how in 2013, Alex Jones did an interview with WWE's own Kane (aka Glen Jacobs). The gents discuss how stupid libertarianism is at its core, how weird it is that "The Devil's Favorite Demon" was a guest on devil-fearing Alex's show, and how great the soundtrack of Josie And The Pussycats was.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Marty! Yeah! Joining me today in this month of May, where Jordan is doing a whole lot of stand-up at the Zanies.

I'm going to try and fill these episodes with some of my favorite folks. And today, joining me in the studio, one of the best. Marty DeRosa. Hey, it's good to be back. Welcome. I like that we got you on camera in this sleeveless shirt. Oh, on my camera? Yeah.

Oh, shit, I had no idea. Show off their guns. I actually was, I did a show with Jordan two nights ago, and I told him, at some point, you do know a little bit about Alex Jones. We've gotten this criticism from listeners a number of times. Oh, okay, okay, okay. This does come up. And I mean, it's not a criticism at all.

It's just, I think it's kind of fun. It just, you know. We're kind of lying a little bit, but the relative knowledge is certainly a wide chasm. Sure. But you know a little bit more probably than Jordan. Well, maybe, I think he's, he's, at this point, he knows more. He's taking a summer immersion course. He also forgets a lot though.

We've discussed that about how like, and even for me, to a certain extent, like it's kind of just like, we process this stuff, we react to it. And like, I've had listeners ask me like, what episode did X, Y, or Z happen on? I'm like, I got no idea. Oh, yeah. Like the origin. Sometimes we'll do that with, with my pocket. Hey, when did that start?

And I'm like, I, I don't know. Oh, any of your buddies. I do. I'm familiar with Alex. Also, speaking of your podcast, congratulations. You guys just put out episode 99. 99, baby. Which is way more important to celebrate than 100, I think.

Yeah. With breast and with depression, it only took me five years to do 99 episodes. That's only took me the proper amount of time. Yeah. That's, that's what happens when you get down to business. Yes. Right. And you protect that business.

I try to protect the business as best as possible. But yeah, no, I, I'm, I'm, I'm familiar with Alex. I think that you're probably on the same page with me and you, you sort of helped put me on the, I think on the right path. I was very romanticized by conspiracy theories before, you know, Trump took office and kind of just ruined, you know, much, much like the alt-right guys ruined the good name of Cux. Yeah.

Exactly. I think also that, you know, the conspiracy theory videos have been, they're just not as fun anymore. And now what context is so important to, to stuff that you goof around with? Yeah. And when you see stuff, when you're just like, oh man, that's so fake. Yeah. And, you know, and then, you know, you listen to like the stuff that, you know, my favorite

was a couple episodes back. I was listening to an Alex, like, it's not my job to prove anything. I'm like, sure. Okay. That's 100% your job. Yeah. Or it is. Whenever you make extraordinary claims, it's your goddamn job, I would say.

Yeah. And I ask you this because you're an expert in other fields, such as the wrestling field. That's brilliant. Wrestling porn, maybe. Sure. I don't need to ask any questions about that though. Okay. Okay.

In terms of wrestling, did you have a similar moment at all as the, like the changing of conspiracy videos with this latest event in Saudi Arabia, the greatest royal rumble? The, much how you're probably like just completely unfazed by anything Alex does, or I can't be shocked. You can't be shocked. I'm the same way with WWE. Yeah. I can't be shocked.

There are such hypocrites. They talk out of both sides of their mouths, they'll pat themselves on the back so much. Yeah. Wasn't, I mean, it wasn't even Stephanie McMahon's quote that like philanthropy is the new marketing. Yeah. Something along those lines. Like even that sentence is two-sided and, you know, there's just a whole lot of stuff like that where it's just like, oh man, and then you hear the women aren't allowed.

They, the Saudi, whoever was in charge, I don't know if it was the Saudi royal family or whoever was in charge had to put out an apology because an ad for backlash was played that showed women and they were like, yeah, we are, when I saw something on like the Reddit squared circle and it was just like, it was like, apology made on greatest royal rumble. I'm like, oh, and I clicked on it thinking they're going to be like, you know what, maybe next time we will bring women here and, you know, they wrestled in the, Well, let Sami Zayn have an interesting conversation about him supporting the Syrian victims of Saudi Arabian weapons.

There they. And then. Nope. No, they were like, hey, sorry that there was a video that you saw a woman's arm. Sorry, you saw Carmella. Yeah, you saw Carmella's stomach and super nice butt. Sorry. Man.

And it's just, you know, it's just, and they, they got, I'm hearing like hundreds of millions undoubtedly. I, you hear the, the staff thrown around of like 25 million or 60 million about the single event, but considering it's part of a 10 year deal, like it's outrageous to imagine it's not in the hundreds of millions. But I mean, I don't know. I see, I see two sides of it kind of with the like, Hey, maybe this will work to help make things better in the future.

But I also don't trust that when that's a company run by crazy Vince McMahon and his, you know, his wife is in the Trump administration and they spend so much time doing basically Saudi propaganda on the actual show. It was so creepy. Also though, they keep talking about progress, but Dave Meltzer, who's, you know, many will call the Dan Friesen of wrestling in the, in his change the name of the show to the Alex Jones observer. Yeah, yeah, which should be, yeah, but the, in, in, in the current or the newest wrestling

observer newsletter, he says three years ago, Sammy Zane wrestled in the country. Right. And then now he's not allowed back in. So it's like, how's that progress? Mm hmm. You know, that's not certainly because he bought some ambulances for the circumstances have changed a bit, you know, in terms of severity of the situation. I'm sure.

I don't know, man. I think it's kind of foolish to think of it being like a tool for progress, considering the anti-progressive people behind it. Yeah. What did you, what did you think of those pictures of like the Undertaker and Kurt Angle and Brock and Vince sitting at the table? Very surreal. I saw like a GIF of it.

Very weird. Scroll down the table. Very weird. What the fuck? Kind of one of those things where like, I imagine like the Undertaker and like Kurt Angler taking a piss and he's just like, what did we get ourselves into this time, Kurt brother? I should have shown up as the American badass. Yeah.

So. I know. I think it's weird. I've had some people comment on it because there's a, there's a, there's some wrestling fans in our audience and some people have said that like, it's pretty wild. The idea that they allowed the Iranian flag to be flown. Yeah. So I know the Devarys.

Yeah. I know. I know Sean and Arya personally. The brother, Sean, was he was, was he the one who played the terrorist? He was Muhammad Hassan's manager. Oh, okay. He's the manager. Yeah.

And the mouthpiece and they were, you know, so, and that introduces a whole another layer. Sure. Sure. So he, he has, he's been on TV, pushing buttons for a long, long time. Um, but yeah, they went there and then Arya had to put out a tweet like, Hey, I just play a role. People threatened to kill him. Yeah.

So I mean, and you know, but there's still probably a part of every wrestler who's like, hell yeah, someone wanted to threaten my life. Like, yeah. I still think there's that part of wrestling who it's like, fuck, yeah, it's still real to me. Damn it. People still want to kill me. I felt that way as a college columnist when I was writing shit, when I get death threats

I'm like, yeah, I'm making waves. Well, and then, but this isn't the kind of way you want to make, they did, uh, uh, TNA did, uh, in India ring cutting a couple of years ago. It's Pakistanis come out. And well, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure they had like that same whole thing of like, Hey, we're from the country you don't like. We're the bad guys.

These cities, like they do that in America a lot with cities or the new age outlaws were famous for it. We're in Chicago. Okay. We're coming out in Brett Favre jerseys back in the day, but they're also going to call every cheesehead like, I know I've brought this up and I apologize for using that word. But like, I brought this up with you. Like going back and watching that stuff is, is shocking.

Just the signs alone will be well, I'll show Sarah some old stuff and I'll be like, Oh, you got to watch like the, the rise of stone cold or this crazy match they had or whatever. And as we're watching it, every once in a while she'll be like, Oh my God, what does that sign say? And I'll pause it and it'll be like the worst sign ever. Absolutely. It's cringe worthy. Yeah, it really is.

Um, but, uh, yeah, but using that same like method of getting heat on somebody or whatever is pointless when it's a one off super show. And second, when it's countries that are killing each other, I think that's when it's like, yeah, you've gotten a little too far there also. It's not like, it's not like there's a literal turf war sure between these two sports teams in America. So what everybody's kind of trying to wrap their head around is, you know, cause they were, there was that sumo guy and they're like, what was that guy doing there?

And they're like, well, they wanted Yokozuno, but they're like, well, he's dead. So we'll book this sumo that makes that booking tough. Now, wait, wait, you mean the Saudis wanted Yokozuno? Yes. Oh, okay. So, and it is kind of funny. Like I have a couple of friends who are just like, I thought you meant the bookers wanted no, no, no, no.

And it is funny too, cause like I was, I was talking to my buddy, Mike O'Keefe, who's a comedy comedian and wrestling fan, and he was like, do you ever just think there's like some like, like little Saudi prince, you know, boy who's just like, and I want this match and I want this match and I want 50 men in the Royal Rumble and just like, he's booking it on his own. So I'm like, uh, dammit, I can't remember the names of the kids from Willy Wonka. Sure. Whatever that is.

There you go. Let's call it that one. Could, I'm surprised there wasn't a... Beauregard. Nevermind. Okay. I'm surprised there wasn't a title change there, but also with those guys, they could have had anyone come out and been like, oh, you think you can cut it here?

You're from Saudi Arabia. You're not going to cut it here. Yeah. And they could have done that. But I mean, when I saw that, I was like, oh, shit. They could have gotten like the anti or the bad guy heat on a villain from America and then it got in the exact same effect as opposed to it being a set piece now where it's kind of anti-Iranian and pro Saudi Arabia as a set piece, as a skit.

That's weird territory to walk into, especially when again, the company is owned by someone who's married to a member of Trump's cabinet. I don't know. And I still, I still give like Linda a pass because I still think she's a nice lady. And I'm like, oh, she's Linda. She's the almost harmless one of all, you know, she's not like Betsy DeVos or something like that. This is leftover sympathy from that time when she was drugging her.

Yeah, exactly. Now, I will say though, it is kind of funny that she is the secretary of small business and they make all their wrestlers sign up as independent contractors and don't give them insurance. Oh, that is ironic. And they've put so many small businesses in the form of wrestling companies out of business. And when they roll into town, they'll, you know, tell the cities like, hey, don't let other places have any of these arenas or anything like that.

No compete stuff. Yeah. You know, little small businessy stuff. Sure. Sure. You know, you're not, but we still watch Dan and we still listen to Alex. Yeah. I still watch a little bit.

Yeah. I still, but I haven't watched much of Alex in modern day for the last week or so because I just came to a moment where I was like, everything is a distraction. Sure. Everything is bullshit. This is all nonsense. And so like I, we have people asking and posting on our group on Facebook about like, oh my God, he's getting in a fight with Ben Shapiro.

Yeah. Oh my God. He's pretending he has Kanye West coming on the show and I keep trying to express to people and everyone has the right to enjoy whatever they want. That's fine. But like this is nothing. This is all a distraction. Sure.

There are real issues going on and there's no content on his show anymore as far as I can tell. It's not real. Like, let's just open up the couple web pages and see what's going on. See what's on Drudge. We'll talk about it. Yeah. Drudge.

What, I've asked you this before. What do you think Drudge thinks of Alex? I think he thinks he's an idiot. Okay. Because Alex makes it seem like they're boys. Drudge came on Alex's show in 2015 and did a little appearance from the shadows. Okay. He refused to be on camera, but he had a mic and he was off camera somewhere and he was

telling Alex, like, something. Like a friend. He just doesn't want to be on camera today. He's a very secretive man. Yeah. Even though there's pictures of him on the internet. But like he, he was telling Alex all this unbelievable bullshit. Like one of the things he actually told Alex was that when the powers that be, the globalists

created. I thought you meant Vince Russo. No. And at Ferrara and WCW. No. Okay. The other ones. Okay.

Again, wrestling in the globalists overlap a lot. Very. New World Order. Very much so. The right to censor is certainly relevant now. Uh-huh. With YouTube. You bet.

But he was telling Alex that when they created Isis, they named it Isis because they were trying to demonize Daryl Issa, who's in Congress and was an enemy of the regime. That's fun. And it's like, he couldn't even keep a straight face while he was telling Alex this, but he wasn't joking. He was trying to get Alex to take the bait on the narrative. Yeah. And it's pretty clear that he looks at Alex as like someone who he's got to patronize

a little bit with like throw him links and stuff like that. Sure. But he's super usable. Yeah. I think that's the relationship they have. I think another thing too is after watching that Roger Stone documentary that really bummed me out about a lot of stuff and I'm just like, there's times where I'll like, and we talked about this before.

I'm just like, man, these shows should have you on to just be in someone's ear when they're interviewing Alex. That's not true. That's not true. Megan Kelly was like interviewing him. You could have been just like, hey, tell him that's not true and ask him if that was the case. Why did he say this?

And then you're thinking, wow, I bet a lot of instances like that, Megan Kelly interview. Yeah. I bet there are a number of instances of her saying the right questions and then it led to nothing. And then when they edit it, they have to make it look somewhat presentable. Yeah. And I just think I don't know why there isn't any media training for and maybe, you know, I don't know.

Maybe there's just like study that Roger Stone documentary be like, this is why they can trick you guys so much. Yeah. But that's why I enjoy watching. There's no good. There's no good faith. They're all lying. I feel so bad.

I always forget his name. Who's the guy on not Sam Cedar, but his other Michael Brooks, that guy knows how to handle those fucking people. He does. He's great. Yeah. He's very, very smart and smart. Me enough.

Yeah. Yeah. First, I'm like, I don't think I like this guy. Then I'm like, I like this guy and the details of policy, like that the him and Cedar both are really good and really ends up getting people trapped. Sure. Like especially, particularly libertarians, whenever they have conversations with them, they always get stuck in some pretty big problem with libertarian ideology.

Who's going to pay for the roads? We don't need roads. Maybe jet packs where we're going. We don't need roads. Have you watched that entire libertarian debate? No. God, I recommend everybody watch it. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my life.

It's too long. Yeah. But man, it's hilarious. Well, it's, it's, you have to do a Patreon exclusive for it. It's five lunatics. Oh, fuck. Just out lunatic than each other. Yeah.

And even the rent's too damn high, guys. Like this is, I can't about this is John McAfee trying to sound real relevant. Yeah. Smart. Who? Who? And Gary Johnson, his name's so boring. I forget it.

He ran. He did. Yeah. But he seems so reasonable standing with those other four ding dongs. Shout out, shout out to Glenn Jacobs, who won the Republican nomination. Funny you should bring that up. We've been dancing around. Talking about libertarians.

We've been dancing around libertarians. We have wrestling and Alex Jones and the intersection of those three things is an episode of Alex Jones' show. Oh, no. In 2013. No. Marty, I'm going to play this first clip for you. Let's see what you think about this.

Glenn Jacobs has worked with the world wrestling entertainment for almost 20 years. He is well known around the world. Under his stage name, Kane, he has also been in a lot of different big movies and television shows. He's a libertarian or thought criminal who discovered and became a devout student of Austrian economics as we are as well. Well, Rockwell yesterday, the head of the Von Mies Institute a number of years ago. He is the co-founder of the Tennessee Liberty Alliance, a free market educational organization.

Glenn tries to use his fame to in pop culture to spread the message of liberty and sound economics. Does he? He's written articles for the future of Freedom Foundation, Lou Rockwell.com, The Daily Caller as well as appearing on various television programs and he joins us now on Twitter at Jacobs report and he is with us today. Wow. Great to have you on.

I love the speech that I saw you give at the Libertarian committee meeting on C-Span. I would love to just give you the floor to talk about Obamacare and the attacks on free speech and the TSA now rolling out on the streets of America. Great to have you with us, sir. Great to be here. Thanks for having me. It would be funny if he had the voice. Thank you, Alex.

It's good to be here. Just kidding. I don't need that. My character did that years ago. I like to joke around. I like to have fun. You might have seen me and Daniel Bryan do some very fun things. We do some comedy from time to time.

I would also love it if you did this interview in kayfabe or he would have the mask or anything, but no bad news. Kane appears on Alex Jones corporate. He's corporate Kane. Right. Very corporate. Okay. What year is this?

This is 2013. Okay. So actually I was trying to figure out. I didn't have enough time. He's got the shaved head. Yes. Okay. I didn't have enough time to look into exactly the storyline he would have been involved

in in 2013. Well, 2013 probably that beat the Daniel Bryan years. No, that that was like. 2015. Okay. I don't know. I could be wrong, but that was like, I think that was like around 20. Well, actually maybe we might be getting into that.

This might have been a, I feel bad. This might be anger management years. Oh, it might be the Zach Ryder, John Cena. Oh, the Love Triangle. Love Triangle. Love Quadrangle. Yeah, possibly. I mean, who knows.

Whatever it was, it was something stupid. Sure. I would, I would, I'm going to predict. Sure. I'm going to predict the knowledge of Kane's storylines from years past. I'm going to guess real dumb. Yeah. So did you know that Kane had appeared on Alex Jones's show?

I did not, but I am not surprised. I know he had been on other shows. I think he's been on Hannity before. That's crazy. And so that might be the variety of shows he's talking about. It might be. Yeah, it might be. Because I, whenever I heard him talking about a wrestler and saying he's appeared on a bunch

of shows, he's, you know, all that, I always thought like, you could give that. Credit to like John Bradshaw Lightfield and it would feel like on Fox News, a bunch, a bunch. Yeah. And he had his own like syndicated radio show where he talked about economics and stuff like that. Yeah. I would, I would have felt like that would be more credible, but we got the, we got the

demon. The devil's favorite demon is so fucking weird. It's wild. Um, so in that clip, you would have heard Alex say that Kane, uh, I'm not going to call him Glenn. Okay. But he's Kane. Uh, Kane, uh, had, had an awakening due to the Austrian school of economics.

That's and the Von Mies Institute, which by the way is just the Mies Institute. Okay. Alex doesn't have the name right, but I, I, I expected that you wouldn't know what that is. It sounds, and I'm going to be a real, uh, uh, xenophobic American sounds like it might be evil. It's not so much evil as it is, I think stupid. Okay.

Um, good. So some of the effects of it are, uh, end up being evil, but I'm going to give you a quick rundown of the Austrian school here. So, uh, just, here's the too long, didn't read version of it up top. These guys are a bunch of fucking dicks. Okay. Uh, the roots of the Austrian school seems mostly based in a strong hatred of FDR, uh, and some of his social programs and what they, they basically are just against collectives

larger than the state, which is right in line with libertarian thinking, uh, they, I always have real trouble trying to understand like, why do you hate the federal government, but like the state when what is the federal government, but just an amalgamation of states, shouldn't you hate the city or the state and like the city? And then what about the district and the city or the household? That's what you really come down to is they want everyone to have their own laws. Okay. More or less.

Sure. That works. Um, so the Austrian school of economics, they subscribe to the Austrian business cycle theory, which states that central banks control the business cycle through intentional booms and busts by manipulating interest rates. When they, uh, make the interest rates low, it triggers banks to give out a lot of credit to people, which creates a bubble destined to burst and that leads to a recession. Central banks are the evil ones, but they failed to mention that there were tons of

cycles before the federal reserve or central banks were ever introduced. The solution that they generally offer predictably is to buy gold. Peter Schiff, who is a frequent guest on Alex Jones's show, uh, is a pro, is a prominent Austrian style economic commentator. Not surprisingly, he has his own gold sale operation. Hey, uh, also, uh, you know, he is a frequent guest on Alex's show, which is syndicated by a man who owns a golden silver sale company for 20 years, you know, who another famous gold salesman is not close.

He's broken a lot of guitars in the wrestling business. Wait, are you talking about double J? I am talking about double J slap, nuts, gold. Uh, double J was starting global force wrestling and, uh, it was, it was gaining some momentum. People were like, well, what's it going to be? Jared's the king of like, he could just get shit done. He can, he is the guy to get shit done. His wrestling career, uh, has just been amazing in the fact of like outside of the WWE's bubble,

he's made it work everywhere. He's gone. He's gotten even in the WD back in the WWE. It's crazy. But even within, I remember you telling me that story a while back, because I was watching back through, I don't remember. I think it was a good housekeeping match. Yeah.

Yeah. And about how he extorted the WWE to pay him a bunch of money because they forgot his contract. They forgot his contract was ending. He had the intercontinental title. He was in a feud with China and they were going to have this good housekeeping match. Which is, which was embarrassing. Very embarrassing for everyone.

And he was like, hey, uh, if I'm going to lose, uh, to China, which is going to hit me with a mop. I'm going to need, uh, a lot of money. And he was kind of like, look the way I see it, uh, basically made him pay him like a year's worth of, he's like, I need in good faith. And he was like, till the wife was like, yep, it's in the bank account. He's like, all right, let's do it. That's old, got in a car in his gear, all covered and, you know, all that stuff.

But that's, that's making your career work. Yeah. But with global force wrestling, there was going to be this big announcement and, uh, and then with the big announcement was just like, Hey, buy gold from global force. I vaguely remember that. Oh, no. And I remember like knowing people that worked there and I'm like, guys, what? And they're like, we didn't, I, yeah, what are you going to do?

It wasn't me. Yeah. I didn't do this. Yeah. It's surprisingly that didn't take off. It's pretty crazy, but, uh, you start to notice this real trend of, uh, what they call gold buggery or just selling gold and not to be confused with Skull Duggery. No, but there are similarities in terms of being, uh, sort of nefarious, uh, actions.

Um, the, uh, all over these conspiracy and, uh, libertarian worlds, you'll just find people who are telling you to buy gold. It's the only safe thing to do. And then you scratch beneath the surface a little bit and you find a financial interest in gold companies. Sure. And it's like, I, I, huh, it's weird, but we're going to talk a little bit more about that a little bit later because I did some looking into it and I found the roots of that

sort of behavior. Okay. Will Alex slip in that he's a tough guy with that Alex is a tough guy. Alex is going to slip into, to, to came like, well, you know, I've been, I've been in my share of my fair share of fights. I'm going to take you on in an inferno match. Well he, here's what I'm looking at. If I'm doing my Alex bingo card, he's going to mention that, you know, you want to make

a bingo card? Yeah. He's been in some fights. Uh, he's going to mention the Von Erick's in Texas. No, the Von Mises, the Von, I think he's going to also mention the Von Erick's up against the Von Mises. Um, I think he's going to mention, uh, well, you know, like the Rockhamstone cold and Hulk and he might ask like where the Hulkster is.

You know what? You would not get bingo. I'll tell you that right now, but I won't stick into not wrestling stuff. I don't know. I don't want to give it away. All right. All right. We've got a bit of territory left to cover.

Take it away. So back to the Austrian school real quick. Uh, they, uh, what makes them different than other people, other like, uh, schools of economics like the Chicago school or any of these other, uh, schools of thought is that they believe that individual choices and actions are the only relevant factors in economics. And thus they reject the importance of statistics and economic modeling. I reject your statistics. Exactly.

It's crazy because they believe that society can't act it because society isn't a person and only persons act like boy, okay, fine, whatever. They generally reject empirical evidence. Uh, and some would argue that this isn't being willfully obtuse, uh, but they, they do this, uh, because they think that, uh, statistics and empirical evidence are biased because people make decisions that cannot be captured by statistics and models. In reality, they do this because this is not a school of economics. It's a front to push severe and ridiculous libertarian politics out as an economic theory.

When you look into it a little bit, most of the players such as Lou Rockwell and Murray Rothbard, uh, those are two major players in the, uh, Austrian school of economics. Uh, they are, have mysterious ties to right wing organizations like the Cato Institute and deeply, uh, troubling ties to the John Birch society. I'm going to read you a quote, uh, about Rothbard here. Rothbard, uh, uh, Barry Rothbard, the late Rothbard who described himself as a member of the old right faction since 1946. His name is Barry Roth.

There's a comic named Barry Rothbard. No, I think it's Roth, Rothbard. Oh, Rothbard. That's Barry Rothbard. This is Murray Rothbard. Oh, Murray. I might have misspoken. Okay, okay.

Um, so E. Clay, uh, describes himself as a member of the old right faction since 1946 was a Jewish New Yorker who supported Strom Thurman state's rights party in 1948. Bemoaning the neo conservative success in establishing themselves as the only right wing alternative to the left, Rothbard called for resurgence of the old right to quote, repeal the 20th century. He later molded a paleo alliance, uh, limited to what he considered good libertarians. As described, uh, in the 1990 issue of the John Birch society's new American magazine, this would mean purging undesirable elements from the libertarian party, including quote,

hippies, druggies, antinomians, and militantly anti Christian atheists. If you don't know it, it's not my Bill Maher. If you don't know what antinomians are, there are people who believe, uh, in the New Testament of the Bible, specifically that Jesus's grace and sacrifice were a fulfillment of the law and freed people from Moses's Old Testament laws. He wants to purge people from the party who don't subscribe to Old Testament law. Well, that sounds very like much like those libertarian values I've heard so much about. Absolutely.

Do what you want to do. Just, uh, don't eat shellfish. Don't eat shellfish. Don't get tattoos. Oh no. In 1995, uh, the Mies Institute held a conference to debate the viability of states seceding from the union, which they are really into, they are super into sure. So the Mies Institute is based on, uh, major player, uh, and one of the, uh, I would say

intellectual grandfathers of the, uh, major player, sounds like a no limit soldier. So does Skull Duggery. Oh, wait, that actually was one. Oh yeah. The Ludwig von Mies was a major player in the, just gave you a weird look in the Austrian School of Economics. And so the Mies Institute was named after him and is sort of the, one of the big, uh, think tanks, uh, publishing houses for these weirdo libertarian ideas masquerading as a

school of economic thought. And I don't know, I want to, I read a bunch of like posts by the Mies Institute, they're like sort of policy positions. And I want to read some of these to you, but if I read all of them, it's going to be too much. Okay. So give me the greatest hits. I'm good.

No, what I'm going to do is I'm going to read you one. Okay. And then we're going to listen to some more a little bit later. I'll read you another one of their policies and so you can hear just how fucking stupid these people are. Okay. So I'm going to start with, uh, their take on a Christmas Carol. Oh, okay.

You know, you know, that, uh, classic Christmas movie? Sure. You got Scrooge. Yeah. You got the ghosts. You got Marley. Yeah. Kind of shows you, you know, it's money and being alone isn't worth it and it's nice.

It's better to give them to receive and it's not the message. They took away from it. Oh no. Satanic. No, they're really into like it being cool to be a miser and to store money because they believe basically that if you save money, that's investment in future things, which is good when in reality there are just people gathering up billions of dollars that isn't being circulated and doesn't help anybody.

Right. Um, so they believe actually that Bob Cratchit, the employee, is the villain of, uh, separating Scrooge from his money by saying, like, look at these poor kids. He's making undue demands just by virtue of his existence on Scrooge who has every right to his money. So here's a quote from their write up about it. Okay. So let's look without preconceptions that Scrooge is allegedly underpaid clerk Bob Cratchit.

The fact is if Cratchit's skills were worth more to anyone than the 15 shilling Scrooge pays him weekly, there would be someone glad to offer it to him. Since no one has and since Cratchit's profit maximizing boss is hardly a man to pay for nothing, Cratchit must be worth exactly his present wages. No doubt Cratchit needs, i.e. wants, more to support his family and care for Tiny Tim, but Scrooge did not force Cratchit to father children. He's having difficulty supporting. If Cratchit had children while suspecting he would be unable to afford them, he, not

Scrooge, is responsible for their plight. And if Cratchit didn't know how expensive they would be, why must Scrooge assume the burden of Cratchit's misjudgment? As for that one lump of coal Scrooge allows him, it bears emphasis that Cratchit has not been chained to his chilly desk. If he stays there, he shows by his behavior that he prefers his present wages plus comfort package to any other he has found or supposes himself likely to find. Children speak louder than grumbling and the reader can hardly complain about what Cratchit

evidently finds satisfactory. This sounds like what a really nice Republican would say to people working at McDonald's. Like, if you don't like it, go get a better job. Exactly. No one's forcing you to work here. The fact that you stay wherever you are while you're being exploited means you're totally cool with it and so should we. Also stop having them dang kids.

Yeah, especially ones that come out crippled like Tiny Tim. They come out tiny. So Charles Dickens wrote Christmas Carol and one thing that's really fun is to look at Charles Dickens' life. He was born into like a well to do family, but his dad spent way too much money. And so in 1824, his dad, his father, John, was committed to a debtor's prison in London because he owed too much money. At that point, Dickens was 12 years old and he was forced upon his collection of books,

leave school and go to work at a shoe-blacking factory, a dirty and rat infested factory. The change in Dickens' circumstances gave him what his biography Michael Slater described as a deep personal and social outrage, which influenced his works because Charles Dickens lived the reality of these hypothetical bullshit things that these dumbasses at the Von Mies Institute are talking about. He had a trading places scenario with himself. Exactly. He was fine up till 10 or so and then hey, 12, palm those books and go black some shoes

and say hi to the rats. Yeah. It's fucked up. Then he took a gamble on himself with that book and he was correct. Absolutely. He was selling that book himself. But I understand what you're saying. His work ended up having like a really socially conscious bent to it because he experienced

child labor. He experienced debtor prisons and stuff like that. It's kind of crazy how you can look at anything and be like, this is my take on that and everybody else isn't just like, come on. Somebody shared a meme, are you off Facebook now? On it, but only to really use our group. I don't really, I don't engage much. Somebody posted a meme that clearly a lunatic, it was the guy who stopped the shooting at

the Waffle House. And he had his hand bandage and they're like, this is the guy who stopped the shooter at Waffle House, this black guy with his bare hands. So next time a cop, so next time a liberal says you shouldn't be intimidated by a black male. Next time they tell a cop, they shouldn't be intimidated by a black male. Oh boy. You think twice about that and it's like, whoa, that's the pivot.

Whoa. That is a hot take. Yikes. And this is, I mean, this guy who acted heroically in the face of death. Let's turn him into something to be scared of. They have superpowers and they should be feared, they're mutants. But that's the world we live in now. Sure.

But even back then though, you had this, just like, that's one of those things too where it's just like, I'd never let my kid watch that and you're like, why? And like, oh, because of this, this and this, and you're like, where did you get that? Oh, you mean Christmas Carol? Sure. You're like, yeah, why are they oppressing Scrooge like this? Why is he being harassed by these ghosts? Yeah.

And you're like, okay. And there's some stuff that is kind of like over the top. And you're just like, well, yeah, that's a little, that is a little interesting. This is just like, I could see an argument against Christmas Carol in terms of like some of the materialism in it. Like why are we fattening up a goose? Yeah.

I don't know. I'm trying to riff some complaint. I don't really have one. I guess. I don't know. I don't like Christmas much. So it's never been my favorite. But yeah, this argument is fucking stupid.

Yeah. As is, it turns out Glenn Jacobs, also known as King. So Alex has introduced the interview and here's what he's like, I want to open the floor to you, Kane. What do you want to talk about? So much to talk about. What do you want to begin with? We could spend three hours talking.

Couldn't we? There's a lot of stuff. Why don't we talk about Bitcoin actually? Cause I find it rather fascinating, especially the debate that's going on within Libertarian and Austrian economic circles right now. Sure. Give us your take on it. Well, first of all, I think like everybody else.

I like to see the development of something like Bitcoin. I really like the idea of competing currencies. That's interesting. That's really fun that you like competing currencies, Glenn Jacobs, also known as Kane. I keep forgetting to call him Kane. Here's the thing. Everybody, Libertarians love to talk about competing currencies and all this shit. And they're like, oh, Bitcoin is an opportunity to have government free currencies.

Bitcoin's like gold's little brother to them. Yeah, it's like electro gold or something like that. Spoiler alert, in the Austrian school, the Mies Institute and even Kane is going to say this later, it's like, oh, Bitcoin's great, but gold by gold, that sort of thing. So in terms of competing currencies, did you know that we've tried that before? No. We've tried this. So early in our history, individual banks printed their own currencies, which were exchangeable

for gold and silver. Before the passage of the National Banking Act in 1863, up to 8,000 different entities issued their own money. Just different banks. They just had tons of banks. You guys take Chase money here? Yeah, exactly. But it wouldn't be Chase.

It would be some smaller bank. Because there was a whole situation where some states had state charters for banks and then you had states like New York and there's a couple others that just had free banking. And so you could just make up your own bank or whatever. And when you did that, you'd have to print out some sort of promissory note in order to have people have your currency. That sounds very confusing, Dan. It's chaos.

It was absolute chaos in terms of interstate commerce. Because you'd have a situation where you're like, I've got a New York dollar here and it's worth X in New York, but if I go to Michigan, let's say, maybe they only accept it at a 70% rate. Yeah. And now your money is worth less in different places. It's absolutely insane. Also who knows who honors what currency?

You might end up in a place where you've got tons of bucks. I got tons of Tennessee bucks. Are they going to be honored at every store in West Virginia? Who fucking knows? Who knows? Oh, also it was comically easy to counterfeit money. You think so? Back then.

Because there's so many. Of course. There's so many fucking currencies that no one... Look at a bouncer. Look at an ID from Indiana here in Illinois. They look at it like, what is this? Yeah. Any fake is good out of state.

Sure. Yeah. Absolutely. You can't possibly train people to be able to tell the like, this is valid currency. Yeah. It's just complete madness. So of course, this National Banking Act of 1863 happened in 1863, which was right in the middle of the Civil War.

So historical revisionists look back on the act as an attempt by Lincoln to centralize power and states' rights, when in reality it was trying to save the entire country. Trying to knock off some bullshit. Interesting bit of trivia though, Marty. The Confederate states also printed money, and on their bills, they weirdly featured pictures of slaves, which kind of hurts their argument that slavery was not an important piece of the secession. So two U.S. presidents were featured on their money, two presidents who mysteriously the

right wing in Alex Jones, it's their favorites, George Washington and Andrew Jackson were on Confederate money. Whoa. Yeah. Why did they put slaves on the money? I think they, the pictures that I've seen made it look idyllic. You know, like it made it look like slavery wasn't so bad. Oh, okay.

Gave it sort of a Kanye West feel. Yeah, Kanye West vibe. Yeah. If you want to go that route. Also in terms of Bitcoin, Bitcoin has lost almost 50% of its value in the last five months. Sell now guys. Also that is after a 1000% increase in value in the five months before that. It's a completely inconsistent currency is very dangerous.

And if you don't have money to lose, you should not be touching it. But that's all to say we've tried competing currencies before and it doesn't now work. It doesn't, it's not, there's even more evidence of this. If you're Kane and Alex is just kind of like, have you on, he has you on his show. Yeah. And then he's just like, so what do you want to talk about when you got to be like, I don't know, man, it's your show. Why don't you fucking figure it out and give me some direction to be fair?

Alex did give him like seven topics and then just say, say something. Yeah. Okay. Um, but also, uh, so the, another thing with this, uh, this monopoly of currency thing is the federal reserve system. And uh, you know, the libertarians and hate that federal, but the thing that's interesting to think about is that, uh, the reason that the federal reserve exists is that between 1836 and 1913, we didn't have a central bank.

The second American, uh, bank's charter ended until 1913, we didn't start up another one, which comes in the form of the federal reserve system, isn't one bank. It's 12 district banks, uh, that are run by a board, uh, Jewish bankers. Right. There's another, that's another fucking thing, not the Jewish part, but like all these Ron Paul types are like, we need to audit the fed and like they do audit them, just not as deeply as you might want.

It's not like they're not being audited at all and like, Hey, there might be no money in there or something like that. But so here's the thing. The reason that it started in 1913 is because we had major financial panics in 1873, which lasted a couple of years, 1884, 18, uh, 83, uh, 19, uh, I got 18, 18, 1893, I think I juxtaposed a couple of numbers there, 1884, 1893, 1901, 1903, and there was a huge one in 1907. Since 1913, we've only had, uh, truly three major financial panics in a hundred years,

as opposed to the six that we experienced in that 34 year span. It is done incredibly well. It's a good ratio. In terms of stabilizing, uh, the effects that you have with, uh, you know, hey, this money goes up, this money goes down. What are you going to do? How are you going to protect people? The financial, uh, the federal reserve system has done a spectacular job.

Other complaints that you could make about it, some of them might be valid, but in terms of like protecting people and their assets and stuff, it's done, it's like a wonderful job. A Goldberg-esque winning percentage. It is. It is. And now Alex is trying to come in with a cattle prod. Anyway, um, so at this point, uh, uh, Cain is going to say a little bit more about Bitcoin.

Okay. Nevertheless, I have some problems with Bitcoin myself that other people in my hard money camp have. First of all, money comes to the market and emerges on the market. It isn't like someone just says, Hey, this is money. Let's start using it. What? The reason that people are going into Bitcoin is exactly because of what it isn't.

It's not the dollars, not the euro. It's not the end. Whereas if we look at something like precious metals, the gold and silver, yeah, we can argue they don't have intrinsic value from a theoretical economic perspective. And that's true. Nevertheless, they have a 6,000 year history of being money, of being desired for people, of being desired by people. People want the precious metals because of what they are.

And I really feel that Bitcoin is sort of taking a lot of the interest that would be in the metals and diverting it. Like I said, that's great in the idea that it's a competing currency, but nevertheless, I don't think it's the competing currency that does have the ability to break the state's monopoly on the issues of money. Of course not. Very well said. Plus they can use the unknown providence of this.

They can use the takedown of Bitcoin to then demonize and taint the idea of true independent cryptocurrencies. That's all I'm saying is this may not have a happy ending, and I'm not in some cult just saying it's perfect. We've got about down to it. We've got to have some concerns investing in anything, especially something brand new and speculative. Other than gold.

Do we have any concerns about investing in anything other than gold? All the gold rules. Gold is pretty great. We all know gold's great. Sure. Goldberg. We're back to that. I don't know man.

I think that they're trying to sort of dance around the issue that all cultures have valued precious metals when not taking into account that like a lot of them didn't have a monetary value for them. They just value them because they were shiny. They were cool. They look good. So you'd end up with cultures, I mean even in fairly modern times that would have gold that would just be like it's a necklace.

Yeah. I don't think this is valuable. I just think it looks nice or whatever, but I don't know. You own gold? No. Tell me about your gold, bro. I don't have any gold. No gold?

No. The way you look it off to the side makes me think you got a lot. You just don't want me to know. Never mind. I've got some coins. The idea of going back to the gold standard is really appealing to these people like Kane and Alex Jones, which is a weird grouping that I never thought we'd deal with. Do you think there's some bit of a doomsday prepper type of mentality roped in there?

No. They're victims of a... Do they really think they could live in the society we live in and be like, how much is that? Let me give you some gold. They're victims of a centuries-long con basically. Some of it comes from the fact that in the early times, like in the late 1700s and the early 1800s, the United States did print coin that was made out of actual gold.

There's sort of a belief, I think, on their parts that there would be some standardization of the gold being printed and made into coin. That way it would be exchangeable in the same way that nickels and dimes were in the 1800s. I think that they think that on some level, but then you would need to be able to make your own coin as opposed to chipping off a little block of gold or whatever. You have a brick and you just ding, ding, ding, ding. They just assume gold bars.

But I mean, there are ways to integrate stuff. You have Bitcoin ATMs around some places now, so that allows you to exchange your Bitcoin for cash, but you're still getting cash. So it's still only a secondary way for you to get... Do you have any Bitcoin? Oh, fuck no. Have you ever seen a Bitcoin? So...

I mean, they're not physical. Are they? Our friend Far Out, a big shout out to Far Out. He has a little Bitcoin that someone gave him a little bit. Someone gave it to him like a long time ago and now it's worth a bit. So like that kind of thing is, I mean, it's not... He's not a millionaire. Sure, sure, sure.

I'm kind of pissed off that I didn't buy when it was like 35 cents and just hold on to it and now get out five months ago and it was almost 20 grand. Yeah, there clearly were some people who made out great. I think there were. Yeah. I've seen a lot of... I mean, based on the fact that it's dropped 50% cents, I would have to assume there's a lot of people who cashed out.

This was when I was going to buy some WB stock when it was like $6 a share. Now it's up to like... I don't know. What do you... I don't even know. Should I look it up? Yeah, look it up. So I check on...

See, I wonder if it's gone up since... It was like 30 something, but I think it might even be higher now. Do you think the Saudi Arabia show helped their stock? Possibly. 40.87. Okay. So yeah, it's up. Look at this.

Over the last year... Woo! Woo! What? I just... It's doubled in about a year. Well, they have... They're like announcing a new TV deal.

Yeah. So they're... Everybody's very excited about that. It... But it's still pretty nice. A nice double on your investment over a year. You think they're going to stay in USA? What's that?

You think they're going to stay in USA? I have no idea how to answer that question. I understand what you're talking about, but I have no idea. I have no insight into it. I mean, what would they do? Well, they went... Go to Fox. They went that Fox is a possibility.

ESPN's a possibility. ESPN is not a possibility. Yeah. No way. ESPN's in play. ESPN is not in play. They're in play. I can't imagine that.

It would be ESPN like four or something like that. I can't... The rumor is with Fox that Raw would go on Fox. Okay. Not the cable channel. The... Straight up Fox. Straight up Fox.

So like your local Fox affiliate... After Raw. Coming up after Raw. We've got the news. We've got... Local news after Raw. Local news after Raw. You've got Michael Cole telling you to tune in for WGN's lineup.

That's it. So that's a possibility with SmackDown going to like FS1, which is like their sports channel that's never really taken off. They left USA... That would be pretty shitty to do to SmackDown, you know, because you're just sort of leaving them in a lurch. It's the B brand anyway. They always treat them that way.

Please. They went to... They're just live now, years after it's been on for 20 years almost. But it wasn't the whole time, right? Didn't it go away and come back? No, no. It's been on that time. But it's never been live.

The fact that I didn't know that means something. But... The fact that I thought it was just gone for maybe five, six years of that time. They left for a little... They were on Spike TV for a minute. Well, they went to TNN. Oh, the Nashville Network. That became the National Network.

Then it became Spike TV. Right. And then Spike League tried to get involved. Spike League got very angry. They say, stop using my name. And the government was like, come on, Spike. I can't. I can't.

But... Copyright Spike. When they decided to go back to the USA Network, they were having their last Raw. This Raw was a shit show because they kept mentioning we'll be on USA. And they kept... So then Spike started beeping them out and they're like, we're going to be on USA Network. Oh, okay. Okay.

Wow. And then they brought out Hexaw, Jim Duggan, so everyone chanted USA. That's great. Yeah. They anticipated that. And they're like, how can we get them to chant USA a whole bunch? They're like, bring out Hexaw. That's strategic thinking.

Yeah. I respect the hell out of that. Yeah. So, and then they went back to the USA Network and they've been there for a while. They'll pi-state it with USA. But who knows? Long-standing relationship. I don't know.

Well, they help each other because they bring in big ratings so USA could say they're the number one or one of the top cable channels. That's what the... A lot of USA content is. Not great. Well, there's those shows that I assume. I can't imagine people watch, but they do if you're like, oh, Suits. I love Suits.

I love. I love. Just because that lady married the prince doesn't mean the show is good. Sure. Or Monk was a big hit back in the day. Monk was huge. Monk was huge. Suits.

You just said Suits. Oh, Suits. I can't think of any other dumb shows. Monk, Suits, Mr. Robot, Psyche, Psyche. Psyche was on USA, right? Um, yeah. Burn Notice. Burn Notice.

That was a big Burn Notice. It was a big hit. But here's the thing. I've never seen any of these. I've seen a couple of Monks and a couple of Psykes. That's exactly what I'm talking about. So, I can name shows, but I have no fucking idea what they are. That's what USA is full of.

USA, instead of characters, welcome, which I don't think there's their slogan anymore. What was that show where Breckenmeier was a doctor? Uh, something like, not Doc Hollywood, that was a Michael G. Fons movie, but it was something like that where he was like a Hollywood doctor. Something like that. Yeah. Royal Pains. Royal Pains.

Yeah. Probably wasn't it, but it might be another show. Yeah. I think it was the guy from Road Trip. Paulo Costanzo. What is that? Who did it? It was the stoner from Road Trip.

He was the guy who equated everything to wrestling at the end when he helped explain to Breckenmeier what the Royal Rump, like, because he was really high all the time and like wrestling. Yeah. He was the guy who wasn't DJ Qualls. No. And wasn't Tom Green. Right.

Yeah. Paulo Costanzo. Wow. Also Star of Josie and the Pussycats. Oh, wow. Star is really putting it strongly. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Fifth Banana. Oh, man. Yeah. Josie and the Pussycats. That was right. Was that right up your alley? God, I loved it so much.

Yeah. We've, I think we've talked about this before. Yeah. I think, as I recall, Biff Naked was involved. Oh, that's right. But I don't know if it was, if she did all of the music. Okay. But I don't, I don't know.

You watched that video for three small words. Yeah. That's the big single from the soundtrack. And what you walk away with is like, these, like, Tira Reid is not good at pretending to play drums. No. There's no way they played their own instruments. No, no.

Is it Rachel? Rachel Lee Cook. Rachel Lee Cook. Rosario Dawson. I think Rachel Lee Cook is like in some new big independent movie. Thrilled for her. Yeah. She was always better than, than her career deserved back then.

Really? She got pigeonholed with that, that movie where she takes off her glasses and then she's hot. She's all that. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.

I think that Josie and the Pussycats is a great satire. Yeah. It's, it's pretty funny. Yeah. It's a, it's a. Did they have fun with the source material? It's sharp. Yeah.

It is interesting. There were, I felt like there were those kind of movies and they're like, oh, they're making a that movie. This was, I think like this was a thing about the 90s, the late 90s. This one might have been 2000s. Or that, okay. That end of the 2000s, the end of the 90s going into 2000. It feels pre-9-11 though.

I'll tell you that. I'm telling you. I had a long road trip the other, the other week and I just was, boy, you know, 9-11 just ruined everything. There was, I hate to sound old, but it was just a simpler time before 9-11. Yeah. Josie and the Pussycats came out. They were talking about a sequel.

You got your Josie and the Pussycats. Right. And there were those kind of movies because this one they were doing like Scooby-Doo. Yeah. Josie and the Pussycats. All these are, and every once in a while they would take. I mean, even fucking 10 years earlier they did Mario, the Mario Brothers and that was a disaster.

Oh boy. Johnny Leggs. But then every once in a while they would, they would do one of those and they would make it real weird and you're like, oh, this is just like, you just, it's, it happens to be Josie and the Pussycats, but he made it like a real weird, different movie. Yeah. I mean, the whole plot of it was about like the, like, creating a band, right? And how pointless the people in the band and disposable they are and like how abusive

the music industry is to the people inside it. Yeah. There's a lot of really subversive themes in it, whereas Mario Brothers, not a chance. No. Scooby-Doo, not a chance. No. Anyway, we're a bit off track and I don't remember where we, cryptocurrency. Maybe gold.

I think we were talking about gold a little. Yeah. But I'd love to know how we got off on that. Yeah. That's what we went to the USA network somehow and then we got into the shows and then did we? Yeah. That can't possibly be a member.

I was talking about how they were going to leave the USA network or something. The last thing I remember us talking about in terms of Alex stuff is that they made gold and silver coins. Oh man. I thought we were back on freezing point. I got to be honest. I forgot all about Alex Jones and that whole run down. This is one of those things like, I know we, we got to get through this episode, but it

feels like work. Oh man. Um, so in the 17 and 1800, I don't want to teach you a class, I don't want to cut you off here. Go ahead. But this register might, I was wondering your thoughts on this. Did you know how Kevin Smith had a heart attack and almost died, right? Did you hear his, his story about that or anything?

No, but I saw a tweet about it and I felt, I felt sympathetic. Yeah. I don't know. I, I've lost track of Kevin Smith in the last, I would say five years probably. I used to listen to his podcast a bit, but then I just kind of got, like, I like Scott Mosier a lot and all, but I can't listen to them hypothetically talk about sucking dicks while they're really high for, I can't do it anymore. I know.

I have to walk away. And it's, and it's that, that like hip slang of like that, like, Hey man, if you got to suck a cat's dick, save the world, you got to suck a cat's dick in the parlance of our times. You got to suck a dick. But he, he's an interesting guy in the sense of like his career fascinates me and, and how he sort of figured it out or whatever. But anyway, he was, I listened to his podcast about his heart attack and, um, when he was

on the operating room table and he was kind of like going under, he was thinking of the Degrassi theme song. Oh, I thought about you. Wow. That's kind of beautiful. Yeah. He told the doctor, he goes doc, you have to save my life and the doctor just goes, I'll see what I can do and then put him under and then he's like, whatever it takes, I know

I can make it. I mean, it's a, it's a very inspirational song. Yeah. Some people have lamented the end of, uh, well, the Degrassi breakdowns, you know, what are you going to do? Yeah. You get to a certain point, you get to about 34 years of age and you're like, I can't talk about a tween drama anymore.

This, this, this, this show is there a new current Degrassi going on. There is, I haven't watched any of that. What channel? Netflix. Oh yeah. That's right. Netflix original, I believe. I think, yeah, most people who watched it and they were sticking with the heavy issues.

I'm sure it's good. I'm sure, I'm sure it's a positive thing for the youth of our day. Yeah. But I just, I can only talk about it for about 200 hours or so and then, then I got to check out. You think Paige is like, whatever, that guy went on his puck. Yes. Talk about Degrassi.

I just saw that she got engaged recently. Hey. Good job, Lauren. Still the, still the weirdest thing that's happened in my life probably is getting to talk to Paige from Degrassi. I don't know. I don't know anybody who knows Alex to get him on the podcast. No wrestlers.

I don't know any wrestlers or child actors from Canada, but I've also been very public about this. I don't want to know. I know. I know. We're going to Austin in June. I know. I dreading the idea of him showing up.

We have, we have a thing on our podcast where we, we say, don't at the wrestlers on the tweets. Like if you're just like, Hey, at so and so they were talking about you on this and joked around about what it would be like if you dated this person, it's like, don't do that. We want that world completely separated. And it's the same thing with Alex where it's just like, what if you just meet him and he's like, Hey man, it's all just, it's all just a fucking scam anyway. Like I'm just, he wouldn't tell me that for sure.

I know that. Yeah. I know that unless you want to, unless I get super famous and then he wants to impress me or something, then maybe like if we could find, let me be a talk to like Billy Corgan or something. He'd be like, Oh yeah, I know Alex. He said it's all just a charade. Man.

I don't know. Like he, he seems like he loves Alex. You know, really does. He's been on a lot. Yeah. He really does. And I think he can really just like let his guard down with Alex and Alex is smart. Alex is a very smart celebrity interviewer.

Frude. Cause he really pumps up the celebs. And I think he makes Billy feel like it's, you know, 97. Oh yeah. He makes Billy feel like it's like you're the king. Mm hmm. I'm so lucky to have you here. Well, but that's, that's what we call star fuckery.

Sure. That's, that's what we call being like manipulative. Yeah. Cause he does, he does that with just about anything dangles that carrot about being with a lizard person sexually and they, they morphed in front of him and Alex like, Oh fuck yeah. Wait, does he, does he get into that? He won't. He says when he writes a book, he'll talk about it cause it's apparently a famous person

who's a lizard person who morphed in front of what during sex. He told Rogan that also. I have people. I've got to watch this Rogan. The Rogan Billy Corgan. I will say this cause I like to make fun of Billy Corgan on our podcast. So I like to do research and, uh, he gets a lot of, he gets a lot of shit talk gets a lot of play on our podcast, but when he talks about the music industry, it's very

fascinating. I think very spot on. Um, he's clearly, uh, a bit of a wounded, he's got a wounded psyche. I think he feels, I think he wanted to be the guy and because of the time that he came out, he was never the guy, he was never the guy because he just happened to be in the same class with a lot of like Nirvana with very popular people. He's the Pippin, but like if Pippin was super bitter, sure, like cause you, you, you can't be Jordan.

Yeah. You can't. And then it's, I think he still won't quite let go that like it's cool. It was cool to be Pippin. He still can't quite, you know, like he's still like there's ways where he claims or like he'll say like, you know, we did, you know, we put out this double L and nobody else would have done this and all this stuff. And it's just like, it's interesting.

He clearly has like, And did Wu Tang forever come out? Cause there was a double album. Yeah, no. It was in the 90s. Yeah. But I think like there, I think there definitely is that like, And in both cases, could have been a single album, could have been a single album, could

have dreamed of some of that fact. Could have been a real banger of a single album. Yeah. But you know, there's that, there's that thing. And I think Alex kind of brings them back to like, wow man. Being worshiped. You're the king. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, but Billy has some very interesting thoughts about the music business and celebrity in general. I think everybody has something to say. Like, you could get, you could get a lunatic to talk to you. And like, if you talk to them long enough, they probably have some interesting insight into one thing. Broke clocks right twice a day, damn.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how to jump back into this. All right. We got, we got. That's Kane. So anyway, what's the next topic after the Bitcoin thing? But, I mean, he was just talking about how it's like, we should get more into gold.

Sure. Bringing back the gold standard is really popular among them. I don't know. I don't know if this is what we're talking about, but I'm just going to talk about it. Oh, didn't we care? I think I think I know what we're doing. We got into this because I said, do you think these guys are all like doomsday? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I don't think they are. They've been conned. That's what it was. Oh, the Jeff Jarrett. Yes. Jeff Jarrett sells gold. We found it. It was five years ago.

Holy shit. It was five years ago. It's fascinating that's the path that went down. Wow. Okay. The problem with making coins out of real precious metals is that the price and the value of those metals fluctuate wildly. Sure.

And so, like, let's say last year's dime, it has X amount of silver in it. But when the value of silver goes up or down in the next year, you have to make dimes that adjust to the silver content. You have to either make them with less silver or more silver in them in order to keep the price consistent or value of that dime, or you have to just assume that last year's dime is worth more than this year's dime and then just assume that the dime itself doesn't really have a value attached. And then also, won't these kind of more hoarder-ish gold people be like, well, you're not taking

my gold to make coins? That wasn't so much of a problem back then, and I'll explain why here in a second. That is going to come into it a little bit. But before we get to that, a further problem is exemplified by what happened in the late 1800s when huge silver veins were found in the western United States. What happens in a situation like that is the supply of silver goes up massively and the price goes down drastically. The only way to avert these sorts of events would to be to artificially manipulate the

public perception of the silver supply, which at its core is exactly what the Federal Reserve does with restricting or expanding the money supply in terms of dollars in order to justify and rationalize these things. Otherwise, all of your money is going to become valueless if some random occurrence happens, especially with precious metals. So to the hoarding question, one of the reasons that really rich people loved the system that was in place with the gold and silver standard that we had. We had the bi-metallic standard for a long time, and then that gave way to the gold standard.

The reason they loved it was because things like the Bland Allison Act, which was passed in 1878, required the government to buy between $2 and $4 million in silver at market prices from them in order to make coins. It was basically, literally, a government subsidy of people who owned a lot of gold and silver. So they had an automatic purchase every year in order to subsidize their businesses. For that, that is one of the biggest reasons that really rich people pushed for keeping those systems in place, because they made a fucking ton of money off this scam on it.

That continues to this day, to some extent, or at least that mentality. Not that they need to buy all of this to make coin, in other words, we got nickel and useless metals in our coins and shit. So FDR is largely credited and blamed for ending the gold standard, but in reality it was Richard Nixon who ended the convertibility of gold to cash in 1971. Before that, there was still not necessarily a strict tying of gold to dollars or anything like that. It had been diffused by FDR, but if anyone wants to point a finger at anybody about gold

stuff, you should probably point at Nixon. Among other things to point at him. Yeah, there's a lot. But it never seems to get blamed for much with these folks. Anyway, that was some information. Okay. I feel like anytime I'm breaking this information out and it's, it ruins our flow. It ruins the fluidity of just rambling about other stuff.

Kevin Smith and Billy Corgan. Degrassi Themes and Josie and the Pussycats. Yeah. Well, let's jump back in and see about Cain. He wants to talk more about Bitcoin. Okay. That is the problem with Bitcoin from a more macro level. If we're introducing the idea of competing currencies and then one of these competing

currencies ends up in a bubble, ends up with a lot of people putting a lot of money into it. Like I heard recently that folks were saying that Bitcoin could go to $100,000 a coin or even a million dollars a coin. People are going to start getting into this thing because, wow, it's starting to shoot up in value. I need to get into it before the train leaves the station. And then all of a sudden the thing crashes, then the status are going to say, see, we

told you money is way too important for the market to handle. Only the government should be handling money and it will, it will, as you say, demonize the entire idea of competing currencies. History demonizes the idea of competing currencies, but I'm fascinated because in that clip, Cain is totally right and totally wrong at the same time about what would happen with Bitcoin. And since 2013, you saw that like train leaving the station, you saw that and then it went up to $19,000 per coin. Right.

And at that point, people were like, holy shit, this massive money for nothing was like, increase. I got to get rich. Yeah. And so people got into it. It got, it got fairly speculative. And then of course the bottom fell out and now we're at about $9,000 a coin. It's exactly what happened, but it wasn't because people demonized it or there's some

sort of nefarious conspiracy against it. It's just, it's an unstable currency system. With a guy like Cain, with his beliefs, what sort of rude awakenings do you think await him when he like gets the keys to the, to the office and he's in charge? Oh, you're talking about him being the, the mayor or the governor, mayor? I think it's mayor. I think it's mayor. Well, he only won by 17 votes, apparently.

Right. But it's also the Republican nomination and the Democrat who won got 4,000. He got like 37,000 votes and so did the other guy. So he's going to crush. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, but maybe the Democratic primary wasn't all that interesting. Maybe, I don't know.

I think it's, I think, I think you think it's a shoe in once he's won, but he's still only one by 17. It's a wash match. Okay. The jobber. Right. Jobber Democrat. But they got, they got way more votes, but there, but there's still a chance that the

opponent in the GOP primary, well, Soros could get involved, but 17 votes is such a slim margin. There's got to be not a recount. Well, they're talking about a recount because there were, there's got to look at it. There's some number of votes that's that like still haven't been counted or something or there was. I would. But there was one that had to be, yeah, there was, you know, we'll see.

But I mean, it'd be interesting to see like, what is, I don't know. Well, I mean, Ventura talks about like when he became, well, I mean, he was mayor first and then just rocking like Jesse for the people watching. Sure. And he talks about some of the rude awakenings that he had and I think I intended big rude. I think a lot of that does lead to rationality. Yeah. Because when Jesse Ventura comes on Alex's show, there's so many times that Alex wants

to talk about like real bizarre libertarian ideas and like closing the border and stuff like that. And Jesse brings me down to earth. You have to realize the reality of like, I've been in the state house. Yep. Alex talks about like, I see how the food is made in the kitchen, Alex. He talks about like taxes and shit. Yeah.

He's like, you understand, I was in there. I did all that. I think, I think if Cain were to get in, I mean, he doesn't just have fake government employees giving Alex the scoop. No, apparently not. I don't know what responsibilities a mayor has though in terms of like big picture stuff. So he might not have, he might not have a come to Jesus moment, but he might have a come to like, oh, St. Francis of the season.

That's sort of how it is. Oh, that's how it is. Yeah. Yeah. You might have to realize how difficult it is to cooperate and stuff like that. And you can't, you can't have these hard line, stupid, right, libertarian beliefs and that would have been a fun character on Parks and Rec. Like the libertarian kind of like, I mean, no, Ron Swanson was, but like more or less,

but it would be kind of funny to have like some guy who's just like a nutball who people like, fuck, yeah, let's give this a try and then he gets in and it's like, oh, I can't do any of this stuff. I wanted to do. So this is the reason why like getting along wouldn't work. Yeah. I'm going to read to you another thing from the Von Mies Institute, which is actually called the Mies Institute.

Alex has the name wrong and it's going to make me have the name wrong a bunch. This is about blackmail. Okay. What exactly is blackmail? Blackmail is the offer of trade. It's the offer to trade something usually silence for some other good, usually money. If the offer of the trade is accepted, the blackmailer maintains his silence and the blackmailed pays the agreed upon price.

If the blackmail offer is rejected, the blackmailer may exercise his rights of free speech and publicize the secret. There's nothing amiss here. All that is happening is that an offer to maintain silence is being made. If the offer is rejected, the blackmailer does no more than exercise his right of free speech. They're fine with blackmail. The mugger is offering a possibility to keep your life if you give them money. Yeah.

You could make more of later down the road. If you decide not to give the mugger money, that's your choice, but you can also get murdered. Well, see, here's the problem with that. Libertarians believe that the worst thing you can possibly do to anybody is threaten violence. Yeah. So like the mugging example wouldn't work, but I would argue that this is also threatening

violence. Yeah. Yeah. It's emotional violence. Sure. And also, hey, guess what? Ding-dongs, a bunch of blackmail is based on not true things. Yeah.

A bunch of this. This makes me want to blackmail them. It's based on like smears or stuff like that usually. Sure. Or it's based on information that you got through really fucked up means. Yeah. Like maybe you hacked somebody. Yeah.

There's pseudo-legal ways that you can get secret information about people and then use it to blackmail them. Yeah. People who are blackmailers probably usually come across that information in some nefarious means. We just heard Kevin Hart, someone was shopping on a sex tape and he just found out it was one of his close friends. That's crazy.

That's crazy. Yeah. But I mean, he has the right to sell his silence. Yes. And if he chooses to not do that, then that's just something he'll have to deal with. See, this is what I want to get to really specifically, is that libertarians like to trot around and like, Cain is even going to say as much, is just say like, you know what, how can anybody disagree with us?

Sure. All we really want is the most freedom for everybody. On paper, and I remember hearing about this in like a college course of like, what's a libertarian? And it's just like, do whatever you want, just don't bother me, man. As long as you're not hurting anybody. I guess I'm a libertarian. Yeah.

It sounds hippy-dippy and like kind of cool. Wonderful. Yeah. It's great, except that the problem is when you really get down to what the beliefs are with a lot of the libertarian community, and again, I don't want to paint with a broad brush. There's, there's different, it's not a homogenous group or anything, but a large, large portion of the libertarian community is super fucked up.

Oh yeah. It's very sexy to those people. Yeah. That's like, oh, what? Yeah. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm a libertarian. And a lot of it comes down to like making bizarre rationalizations to retain your wealth and

making bizarre arguments as to why you can be an asshole to people. Sure. Like, hey, I'll give you an argument why you shouldn't blackmail people. It's a fucking dick move. Yeah. It's- You're treading on people. So here, I'm going to read one more real quick, just to really bring this fucking home.

Okay. Here is one of their beliefs about parenting, quote, a parent does not have the right to aggress against his children, but also that parents should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, such as such obligations would entail positive X coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the children, i.e., to allow it

to die. The law therefore may not properly compel the parent to feed a child to keep it alive. This rule allows us to solve such vexing questions as should a parent have the right to allow a deformed baby to die, e.g., by not feeding it? The answer, of course, is yes, following from the larger right to allow any baby, whether deformed or not to die. So as we shall see below, in a libertarian society, the existence of a free baby market will bring such neglect down to a minimum.

They believe you should just be able to fucking sell your kids. You want to buy my kids? Sure. Why not? Free market. Yeah. Look, I have a baby. I don't want it.

You want a baby. You have money. I want that. What's the problem? Why are you getting in the way of commerce? I feel like libertarians are. But also, no. We're not even talking about the idea.

No. It's burdening you with a responsibility that you have to feed and clothe your child. I feel like libertarians are kind of sociopaths who just want to get rich, or be comfortable at least. And it's like, they have no heart. So it's just like the, yeah, I don't think Scrooge was wrong at all. And it's like, yeah, I've got this kid. I don't want a clothe.

Do you want to buy my kid? Yeah. You can have my kid. I should not feel responsible for this thing. I can't see these people being good partners in a relationship. Jesus, I can't even imagine. Can you imagine? But like the thing that it comes down to, I think so often is that like, it is being

a monstrous sociopath. But at the same time, what you constantly hear from these assholes is that like, even in the blackmailing example later in that article, it's like, is there a moral responsibility not to do this? Right. Who cares? Who cares? Not cool dudes.

That is. And again, in the parenting one, that consideration is brought up too. It's a crime example. Why would you recognize in your defense of not feeding kids that it's probably deeply immoral? It's so weird too that like, especially like that or the Scrooge example or the blackmail example. It's like, why are you taking though?

Why are those your examples? Well, I think that libertarians also were contrarian by nature to a certain extent. And so like a lot of the positions you'll see them take a, are just intentionally, you know how Drew Michael does comedy? Yeah. Reverse engineers. Yeah. Yeah.

It's kind of the same thing with them, but with politics. That's how I think like Anthony also libertarians like to say the n-word on stage. Anthony Jezelnik will be like, I just write down all the offensive stuff and then I just write jokes for those or whatever. And I think too, I think it's a lot of stuff where, yeah, I think it's a little bit of the shock and the contrarian and the like, oh, you don't like that? Well, guess what? I'm going to show you why it is okay to blackmail people or sell your kids.

It's pretty remarkable in comedy, like because all you're trying to do is make people laugh and think a little bit. Yeah. This is advocating policy. It's just weird. Like. They also, they also think that drunk driving should be legal. It should just be legal because, hey man.

Well, hold on. I'm listening. We do live in Chicago. Hold on. I'm listening. The argument is that like being drunk isn't the crime. The crime is that you killed someone. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Of course they say that. So it's like, so if you get home without hurting anybody, no harm, no foul. Right. But that already works, you know? Yeah. Even with it being illegal, you're never going to get pulled over unless, you know, you have your car.

That's one of those fun. Your car is broken or you don't swerve or something like that. Sure. That's one of those fun ways of like people are like, I'm not paying taxes and here's why. It's kind of the same. Like I'm driving drunk and here's why. Oh, those are the same people.

Sure. Crazy cabbie from the Howard Stern show. Yeah. He's probably a deep libertarian. Oh man. Yeah. It's wild, man. I do, I do respect on some level.

I respect the hustle in a way. That's what I was getting. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I think it's got, I think they have some great marketing going on. When you really peel back the layers though, and I think we're going to do a much longer, less Josie and the Pussycats involved episode about this, but like when you peel back the

layers, so much of it really boils down to like trying to make rationalizations for states to secede from the union. Sure. It comes down to like trying to break up the United States on some level. I just think like I want all of these arguments. What I want for a lot of these guys is like, okay, show me your utopia. Take me through a day in the life of your perfect society. You know what I mean?

Like what? I don't know what it would be like. A person slept on my property and then when he woke up, he tried to ask for some bread, so I shot him because that's my God-given right to defend my property and he was inconveniencing me. Then his family came over a little bit later in the day, we're a pissed off that I killed him and buried him in a shallow grave and I said, hey, okay, well, what are you going to do about it?

What's the recourse? So we went to the local court, which I have deep alliances with and they tried to sue me in that local court and they found in my favor and then they had their own court that they wanted me to go to and I said, absolutely not because my court is stronger than their court and you know, I have a lot of money and it's fine. I ended up giving them five Dan dollars and told them be on your way. Exactly. Dan dollars, incidentally, not redeemable anywhere else, but if you give them to me,

I will give you gold. I don't know. Probably not. That's just weird. It's a very bizarre... Also, I've got this son, I'm not real fond of him. If you want to buy him, you can. I sold six kids already.

Yeah. My wife is pissed. Even the utopia version of this presumption that sounds good, like more freedom for everybody, that presumption even taken to like what their version of more freedom is, it just, the way there sucks and even when you get there, it sucks. Yeah. So I feel like they just want to live alone. Yes.

And a mountain. They don't want to be bothered. It comes down to an idea largely called Christian Reconstruction basically. They want to recreate the United States as a Christian nation where they don't have to deal with gays. They don't want to have to deal with black people. They don't want... Is there a gay libertarian party?

It's not a party. It's a party. I want to go. Yeah. I'll tell you that much right now. It's a party. I will not ask you to. I don't think there's a strong gay libertarian faction, but I bet there are some, you know.

The Log Cabin Lincoln's. The Log Cabin Republicans. Republicans. Yeah. There's the gay Republicans. Yeah. That's a great Naz song. I don't...

I'm a gay Republican. No. I'm like, look at Demi Kanye just the other day was talking about like slavery as a choice. Yeah. I know that's a little... That was a reference to Naz's black Republican. Do you ever hear of Naz's black Republican? I have not.

No. Yeah. This is about how like Man, I got this money. I might as well be a Republican now. If it wasn't on Illmatic, then I'm not listening. Got it. Also, he has a new album coming out with Kanye West, which might be part of Kanye West's media blitz.

Did you hear that new Kanye song? I didn't. It's so silly. Saw some tweets about it. It's so silly. Someone played it at a show. I'm like, this is crazy. I'm largely emotionally checked out of all of this stuff that's going on because I'm

pretty convinced that Kanye is trolling everybody. Yeah. It's porousing. Yeah. Basically. He's doing a sort of a large scale think piece in some ways, but the unfortunate consequence of it is that the world we live in right now, it's way too dangerous to do stuff like that.

Yeah. Like when Andy Kaufman was doing his elaborate stunts and some of them wrote, Stan. It was okay. Now you can't you can't write a stand nowadays because you're going to create more stands. I would argue, fine to write the song, not fine to stir the pot like this. And I'm not saying that that's what he's doing because there's a decent chance that my assessment is wrong. Yeah.

He's not just fucking with everybody. Yeah. You have militant, angry, white nationalist forces at play and you for effect pretend to be on their side. Yeah. It really, it really can cause a real problem. It causes a there are ripples to it that are not like you can't account for it. You can't predict the like in the same way.

You put a little bit of silver in a dime today and who knows what it's worth tomorrow. You retweet like conservative propagandists and say like, this is great stuff. You're kind of a who knows what that's going to be worth tomorrow. Yeah. You know, the effects of it can be very fucked up. Yeah. And that's what I mean. I think that there's an outside chance that he would go on info wars, but I don't think

he would understand this is like you said, an elaborate think piece info wars is perfect. Perfect. But I don't think he I don't think he understands what the ramifications of that would be. Yeah. Like I really don't in the same way that I don't think that most people who know about Alex understand what he's really about. There may be a lot of people who are like, what show did you just do? Like, oh, I did this Alex Jones info war guy.

Oh, no. And then they tell like, I bet there's a lot of like, they don't get a lot of return business there at info wars when it's like, wait, what did I do? Like, you're just like, put me on every show. I want to market my book or whatever. And they're like, perfect. We got you on this info wars. Well, spoiler alert.

I don't think Kane ever came back. No, he didn't come around this time of year. I think he might have gotten the message that you shouldn't have done that. Vince was like, one, I talked to you, pal, this is bad for business. This is, uh, this is not what's best for business. So at this point in the show, we get into, uh, of course, every libertarian and, uh, Alex and Kane are no different taxes. Nope.

Guns. Guns. Sure. And again, if you just joined us, Glenn Jacobs, known as Kane, one of the top wrestlers in the world is here and he is talking about being free. And it's so asinine to claim that, uh, government can keep us safe and we knew that they would start moving out of the airports on the roads and into the malls and the sports stadiums. The idea that the feds have to be everywhere where a bad person might try to hurt you while

they try to keep the individual from being armed to protect ourselves. It is obviously the real answer to terrorism or crime. First of all, I would argue that you take the sports stadiums out of there and the transportation safety administration has a reason to be on roads and whatever it might transportation. But then the, the other thing that he's saying there at the end there, Alex is saying, it's like when the reality is that we got to have guns in everyone's hands in order to, uh, be safe. Sure.

Uh, Stanford law professor John Donahue studied decades worth of crime data and what he found was that states that enact right to carry laws show an increase of 13 to 15% in violent crime rates in the 10 years after the inaction of those laws to quote Donahue quote, there is not even the slightest hint in the data that the right to carry laws reduce overall violent crime. Also in 2013, a study by the national crime victimization survey found that 99.2% of violent attacks in the United States, no gun is used in self defense or any defense like no one, another person 0.8% of violent attacks in any way involve a defensive gun.

Now you have a 13 to 15% increase in violent crime in places where people are allowed to carry guns with a right to carry laws. You start to see a picture where no, everyone having guns is more fucking dangerous. Yeah. The John Donahue, the guy who wrote that study, he had a really good analogy that he made and it's like allowing everyone to have guns is sort of similar to you saying I want to get a brain scan every week to make sure that my brain is healthy and it's like, well, yes, you will detect whatever a tumor might be there, but you're going to get radiation poisoning

from that. Yeah. So it's that same sort of thing. It's like you're not taking into account all of the factors that are there. So Alex in his head imagines a scenario where he gets mugged, he pulls out a gun. If you go on Alex's website, if you go on Infowars, scroll down a little bit, it's always going to be the story of the guy who was at the convenience store when it was getting robbed and he pulled out his gun and shot the guy.

They celebrate those stories. They love those stories. They're still celebrating the one that happened eight years ago. Sure. Sure. And it's either the, hey, these refugees gang raped this woman in front of her family or it's the, hey, this hero was at a McDonald's that was bitten, held up and he took his gun out and took out the robber.

Suspiciously not talking at all about this guy from the Waffle House. No. He didn't use a gun to help everybody. No. I'm surprised they haven't called it a false flag or anything. Also not talking about how he had that fundraiser and gave all the money to the victims. Also not talking about how the guys who got arrested at Starbucks agreed to a $1 settlement from the city.

There'll be more. There's a promise for money for small business owners, entrepreneurs. It's complete bullshit. Like all of the things that you seem to believe in are being better done by everybody else. All you have is your bigotry, all you have. You showed a couple episodes back that he was for the people getting shot by cops. He was in support of the victims. He was in support of the victims and it was just like, oh, Alex, he used to be on somewhat

of the right side of history. Wow. We were a little too fair, I think. I've been listening to a bit more of 2009 and we were just in that instance. We were too nice. Just in that instance. So yeah, guns, guns aren't great. I'm going to skip around on these clips.

Is that Kane a big gun guy? Yeah. I mean, in as much as he agrees with Alex's statements, he doesn't actually talk on his own accord about guns at all. He seems to be more into money. Kane's been in airports every week of his life multiple times. Kane's been on more flights than any of us all listening together combined. Yeah, that's true.

It would have been interesting to sort of get his point of view. He doesn't like the TSA much. But where's that clip? That would have been interesting. Clips got to be somewhere. Do you realize how many flights Kane's been on in his life? But I mean, I bet he drives a bit too because sometimes the shows are pretty close to each other.

But they fly to those places, then drive to the shows that he's on a flight every week. He's on a plane every week. Yeah, probably. Yeah. But there's a lot of people who travel around. Jet setters. Not like Kane. CEOs.

Not like Kane over 20 years. Yeah, that's true. And as big as he is. Oh, gotta be so uncomfortable. Good Lord. That's true. He talks about the, I didn't include this clip because it's long and meandering. But all he really says is that like the idea of the TSA at the airports is a violation

of the Fourth Amendment and that it's unreasonable what they ask, like, hey, I'm just trying to get on a plane. Why do I have to be searched? And I agree to an extent, but I disagree with what they would think is what's reasonable. Like in terms of reasonable search. I do think that the world that we live in now and the fact that everyone's safety is contingent on each other. I do think that a business and the government does have a responsibility to make sure you're

not bringing a fucking weapon onto a plane. Everyone's a sitting duck. Or just bad or like fruit from another place that'll get people sick here or something like that. Sure. Or could introduce a new virus into the ecosystem or something like that. There are legitimate things that are like, that is a reasonable search. It's not a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

But if you want to talk about like it's weird that we have to take our shoes off, I'm in. I'm in on that level. But I don't know. They just want nothing. They just want like, I know, I should be able to smoke on planes. I should be able to clean my gun on a plane. Yeah, exactly. Brandish it.

Yeah. And I don't just put it on the table and I'm not putting the table up when we land either and leaving it down. And their argument would be like, of course, I would never do that. It should just be allowed to do that. They're also assuming everyone's going to behave themselves. Right. And that lots of people aren't fucking batshit crazy.

Yeah. And we know a lot of people that are batshit crazy. That's the other thing too. It's like these people that live in these sort of, I don't know, like communities where it's just like them and their neighbor a mile down the road and stuff like that. It's like, man, ride a bus in a major city. You really think everybody should have a gun and not need some type of background check or you think mentally ill people.

I was on a, I was on a bus the other day here in Chicago, a very, maybe like a half hour trip. Yeah. The entire time, very normal looking. I put them at 50 ish looking guy was just muttering to himself about how he's going to kill some people. Yeah. And, and it didn't phase me.

That's the kind of situation I was on the bus yesterday. This guy was just staring at every woman like he was going to murder them. Yeah. And that you get that point, you just go, well, it's not my problem. You know what I mean? Like I hate to say it. And you're just kind of like, yeah, geez. And you're like, it's not going to do anything.

I will, I will step up if need be, but for now, I'm ready to do something, but I'm also not ready to, I can't protect you from looks, but I can, uh, this guy flexes, then we'll do something. But otherwise it's too much risk. Too much. Yeah. Cause you might have a gun on a bus. You can.

Yeah. It's very easy. It's the same thing too. With like, uh, like mega buses and grayhounds, they're, they're reasonably more dangerous because there aren't those, there aren't as, uh, uh, real of security. Absolutely. And that's why that guy got beheaded a couple of years back on a grayhound bus and you know, people sell drugs on mega buses.

Yeah. They do be drugged handoffs. Absolutely. What a great way to do it. Yeah. Because that, uh, sort of the wild west. So, uh, I'm going to, I'm just going to cut through a lot of bullshit. Okay.

Kane doesn't know anything. Uh, there's a lot of discussion about like Alex wants him to say that we're at a tipping point. Yeah. Cause Obama's in office again. Yeah. You got reelected and, uh, there's just like a, they just ramble about the federal reserve and a bunch of nonsense.

And it's to the point where like they're not even saying anything. Yeah. They just, they say like, you know what, we're probably at a tipping point, but I thought 2007, 2008 was going to be a tipping point and it's not, maybe we'll become the Weimar Republic in six months. Maybe we never will. Like you are not saying anything. Yeah.

It's absolutely nuts. What do you mean? Obama didn't do all the stuff Alex claimed he was going to do. Yeah. He didn't do all the stuff that you were programmed to be afraid he was going to do. Do you think Trump wish he ran against Obama? God. For the spectacle.

Yeah. Maybe. Except for you. I mean, I like to think he, when he lit him up at that correspondence dinner, uh, that that was like, what was that dinner where Obama lit up Trump? That was the White House correspondence dinner. Yeah. That I felt started at all.

That's what the, that's what the narrative suggests. Um, but I don't, I don't know if that's true or not. I know that man, but I do wonder if, cause I know that Roger still wanted him to run a bunch of times before the eighties. Yeah. But that would have been interesting if four years earlier, man, it would have, I think real talk, root beer talk. Yeah.

I think that could have started race riots. I mean, the shit he would have said about his nicknames for, for Obama and stuff. The unhinged way he speaks, um, you got Obama bopping down the stairs of Air Force One and all those like thinly veiled racist statements. I don't think that in, um, 2012, I mean, the internet wasn't good, but it wasn't as bad as, as it is now. Yeah. So I don't know, I don't know if you would have had the same,

I think a woman is a, it's not safer punching bag than a black man. You know what I'm saying? No, I don't. In the term Trump being a nut. Yeah. You know, I think it was easier for people to wear, you know, Trump that bitch versus like, Yes.

Yes. You know, Misogyny is more acceptable than, But that's a part of the progression of how bad the internet's got. All these movements on the internet, whether we're talking about like gamer, whether we're talking about men's rights. I'm sure there were some of those pick up artists like, oh, give me an Obama versus Trump.

That, if that's what we're talking about. Oh, I could have done some really good work there. I do agree with you that like hating a woman is somehow more okay than a black guy. Oh, for sure. Uh, but I think that you could have a man and a woman and it was funny because after the, Like if you had a black guy and a black woman and you were targeting one of them, everyone would be so much more thrilled if you targeted the black woman.

Sure. But also what I was trying to say. Oh, I thought that's what you were getting at. No, no, no. There was a, I saw, everyone was kind of like, when the, when all the Republicans or after the correspondence dinner with that Michelle Wolf, they were like, who dare you? And they're like, oh, weren't you the guys who wore these shirts? And they showed like a man and a woman and it's like, fuck your feelings, Trump 20,

you know, Shout out Ben Shapiro. Yeah. And it's just like, so it's way more. And then one guy had a, you know, Trump that bitch shirt and stuff like that. And it was like the man and woman were both wearing like Hillary for prison. Like that to me is just like, Oh, a white couple can go out and wear their Hillary for print.

Like, remember, we saw that guy. Yeah. And he had his like Hillary for prison shirt. Info wars hat. Info wars hat. I saw a unicorn. It was so fucking crazy with a sad girlfriend. And, but it's, I mean, like that girl, if he came out, she was like, Oh God, he's wearing

his Hillary for prison shirt. Well, whatever, let's go to Chili's. But if he came out with like an Obama for prison, it would have been like, dude, you got to fucking take, you got to take that shirt off because there might be more blowback also. Maybe, but I also think here's what I, here's what I think about that is like, I think that how bad culture is like, let's imagine just because we have to keep variables similar. Okay.

Let's imagine that Trump was running against Obama in 2016. Yes. Like imagine that would have been Obama's second term. If the two of them were running against each other in the climate that we are experiencing right now, years, you know, but like imagine that just by historical coincidence. Okay. Let's say that George H W Bush got his second term. Okay.

So it pushed everything forward four years. Okay. So all of the, everything is the exact same except I'm, and you're going to have trouble with 9 11 is now in Bill Clinton's term. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.

This is an alternate earth. We could write a whole comic book series about. Yeah. So everything is the same except Trump and Obama are running in 2016. Yes. You wouldn't see Hillary for prison shirts. You would see Obama as a monkey. That's what you would see.

Jesus. But, but no, I know this because I've been to gun show. Sure. Sure. Sure. Oh, I know. I've seen them. I've seen them all.

I've been to gas stations. That's the sort of station selling bumper stickers. Exactly. I know that's the sort of shit you would see about Obama. It was like unhinged. Well, what I'm saying is what I'm saying is even the most. Even the most racist, sexist, homophobic shithead. It's easier for them to wear the Hillary for prison versus the Obama, you know, whatever

shirt. Right. Because it's like, what's the woman going to yell at me? Fuck that. And then it's like, oh, what am I going to do? Wear this in a bunch of black dudes are going to be like, oh, wow, let me see your shirt. And then we're going to eat this shit out of you. My argument, my argument to that is some people still wear swastikas out.

That's true. That's why I'm saying that if those, if those were the variables we had at play, what would happen is probably a legit, like there would be way more racial violence. And the night of that election, one or not one, there would have been trouble either way. Yeah. We would have had some bad hombres on both sides. Not on both sides.

Both sides. Oh, no. Well, such bullshit. Do you think, and I don't want to get off the cane thing, although Cain's kind of boring me on this one. I got to be honest. Yes. Cain is super boring.

No, right? There was a part of me that was like, when I was cutting these clips, I was deeply concerned because you're coming in. I, I know that Cain has been on info wars. That's so exciting for me. But as I'm cutting the clips, I'm like, there's not a lot of juice in this fruit. He doesn't say anything crazy. He's not really like charismatic.

Let me play one clip for you where they talk about Cain, the character. And then we'll get back to you. Whatever you're like an actor on the inside the actor studio, like, ah, the cane character, a little bit. Okay. It's a touch of it. Okay. When I see all over the country, bills introduced and moves to ban homeschooling.

And when I see the persecution of gun owners and the persecution of free speech, I just hope we can hold off a violent revolution so that we can just restore our republic somehow peacefully. What does, what does the Cain in you think about all this? I guess Cain would be a fan of tyranny. Oh yeah. Yeah. He probably would be.

Luckily, luckily I'm not. Yeah. You know, but a lot of laughs there from Alex. I would have hooked up jumper cables to Shane McMahon's testicles and electrocuted him, which leads me to think that the character Cain probably wouldn't be a fan of tyranny. No. I mean, Cain would want society to have all these rules so then he could break them. Break them.

Yeah. Because he's so big and strong and commands fire. If we're all Cains, then what's the point? Exactly. You know what I mean? You want a world of John Cena's where that you could really be the Cain. Exactly. And that is also a thing about the Von Mies Institute view of libertarianism is they.

It's just, it's just a Mies Institute. I apologize. They've made a number of arguments for like monarchy being good. Oh yeah. But it's got to be a democratic monarchy. And if everyone's cool, like here's the thing. If they're just like, if you, if there's like, hey man, what have I told you? We can have this King.

He's going to be really cool. He's not going to be bad at all. You know what I mean? Everything's going to be pretty great. Yeah. But you know. Benevolent King. Benevolent King.

He loves you. Yeah. You, you cool with that? I mean, you've seen some of these presidents you guys have had. What do you think? Well, I mean, if he's cool, let's just go for it. Yeah. Do you think?

Granted, we can't get him out of power. No, no, no. We can't kill people. Oh, definitely killing people. Do you think? I don't know. So Trump, let's say he makes it to the end of this presidency. I think he'll make it.

I don't think he's going to get booted out. Well, whatever your question is, I would say my only real firm conviction is that if he does, he's going to get a second term. If he runs again. Yeah. Yeah. I don't believe that to be true also. There is.

And I, I, I think also he, if he runs again, he will get another four years. So then when that's done and do you think will it ever kind of not, it's like it's going to go back to like, you know, Hey, if we have eight, are we just on this course and this is, this is it. There's no going back. If we have eight years of, of Trump, yeah, we are like, I don't, I don't, I don't like it. I don't like this negative, like, uh, like I've been reflecting on this a lot.

Like I really dislike, um, sort of doom and gloom kind of, uh, uh, and I'm guilty of it too. Like I get into it a bit, but I really dislike it to an extent. So like when I, when I say like after eight years, if we have eight years of this, yeah, we're done. I really do think we're done, but it just is we have to transition like culture has to transition. And one of the things that we have to recognize is, is that like politics isn't real anymore.

Yeah. And so what will end up happening, I think is we'll have another con man become president. Sure. And then we'll have, or a woman, fair enough, uh, we'll have, we'll have a situation that comes into play where just everything comes out into the open a little bit more. You have like, we'll be like stockholders in a, in a business and this will be the CEO of everything's a scam. And the only thing that you can really do is create local support networks and stuff

like that. So ideally what you'd see, um, is people trying to take care of each other and I mean that to me, you form like co-ops. There's like, because it was like you had the, the hippies were like a reaction to everybody being so like straight lace and button up. And then everyone was like, Oh man, this is too heavy. Let's just have disco where I'll just get fucked up. Yeah.

I don't want to think about everything, you know, so it's like there have been these cultures that have come out of reactions to the previous culture. There's the ping pong theory sort of, yeah. So it's like, to me, I just think like, I can't imagine eight years of Trump and then some new, you know, But here's the problem with that historical theory as we're experiencing it right now. And I think that we've discussed a couple of things already that are good examples of this.

So like with the Kanye situation, there's half of the world and the world is the internet, You have half of the internet that saw that and there was like, wow, that's really fucked up what he said. That's really, really stupid. And the idea that he's equating in some way, and I know he would never was saying that like, Hey, being enslaved as a choice, as he's saying, it went 400 years. At some point, why didn't you get out of it? Not realizing any of the realities of what slaves existence was like in the brutal murders.

And I mean, even just the displacement aspect of it originally goes so far into anyway, I don't, there are much better scholars in terms of the reality of slavery. I don't want to, I don't want to get into it. But like there's those people who that's their response to it. And then the other side, the Trump people, their response to it is, Oh my God, Kanye's waking people up, getting them off the Democratic plantation and stuff like that. So you have two people, they have two groups of people experiencing the same things in polar, polar different ways.

And then last night, as we're recording this on Thursday, last night, Rudy Giuliani was on Hannity's show. And he said that Trump repaid Michael Cohen in payments because he's fucking broke. Well, no, in payments, because if he paid it all at once, it would be a violation. It would have to be reported, which is what mobsters do. How did he learn that trick, Dan? Probably be into the mob. He's got a shill for the mob.

Probably what Alex told us in 2015. But like New Jersey casinos, you do the math. These are in the consortiums on the East Coast. A lot of the internet heard that interview and was like, Holy shit. He just said that Trump repaid Cohen for the hush money that he gave to a porn star in the middle of a campaign. And they're like, this really is a damning indictment. Oh yeah, I turned on MSNBC this morning.

They were all high five in each other and they were fucking, they had wine out too, just like us. But you look at the other side of the internet and they were like, it wasn't campaign funds. Rudy Giuliani just blew up the entire story. And did you hear the rest of it? He said, Rod Rodenstein needs to be fired and that the Russia probe is bullshit. There's some evangelical who's like, Hey, we didn't hire a choir boy. He paid.

I saw that exact tweet over and over again. We didn't hire a choir boy to be a president, not a pastor. And you know, so you have these two sides of the internet that are experiencing events in completely different ways and people are galvanized into whatever their camp is. So the ping pong theory of like, I'm reacting to X. So I work towards Y or whatever. You have two different groups that are going to ping pong in different directions. They're going to react to whatever events are coming in completely different radicalized

ways. All right. People are going to chill out a little bit, but then lefties are going to get more angry. I don't, I don't know. I don't think that's possible. I think the, I also think, I think the trend that we're experiencing leads towards anger on both sides. I also think this is like sports for people now and their teams and winning.

I think, you know, that's why everyone keeps bringing up Hillary, but it's only the people on the right who are bringing up Hillary. They're like, she lost. Get over it. That's funny. Like watching. No one I know ever is like, let's get her in. Giuliani brought up the Clintons so much, both of them, both of them.

And then Trump hired Bill Clinton's a lawyer. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's so funny. It, it's, it's a farce. Yeah. We're experiencing. Yeah, it really is. And I don't, I don't know.

I don't know the reality. Like I don't know. I don't know what Trump did or didn't do, but I know that I don't know that, but I do believe that the investigation that's going on isn't a witch hunt. Yeah. I didn't even know what they're, I think they know what they're, what they got. I, I, I have a certain amount of faith that if it is a witch hunt, yeah, I think people would be able to see through it.

Yeah. I think if the end result of the investigation is lackluster or the, uh, the evidence presented isn't compelling, then I think we can have another conversation at that point. Yeah. But for now, to me, I do know what is publicly available. Sure. It looks bad. And there's a lot of, but let's not jump to anything.

There's also a lot of, uh, bad, dumb people involved in this too. But you, this cast of characters that you sort of shined a light on and bad smart people to stone is a genius. He is a genius, but I, but I think, I think that some of these guys just got roped in with the dumb. You know what I mean? It's like every business you'll talk to people like, Oh God, that guy who's like the district manager is an idiot.

Yeah. So stupid. He keeps failing his way up. Yeah. I think there's a lot of those cousin, there's a lot of those guys involved in this and dudes who are just like fucking monsters. Yeah. These monsters like them.

Like a Rob Porter type. For sure. Yeah. Or just like, Hey man, I went to Turkey and fucking, you know, I was just like, Hey man, you can kill whoever you got to kill. Let's make this deal. And they're like, Oh, I thought you were going to say I couldn't kill people like, No, kill whoever you need to kill.

Let's fucking get this deal made. And they're like, Don't even worry about it. Like, Yeah. Miraculous Eric Prince being fine now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like all these types of people.

So you've got like these just bad people, dumb people, people who have just been, you know, lucky to be around and all sorts of things. And then it's just like, Yeah, I think it'll be interesting. But I think that if Trump can make it past this though, I agree, he'll get another four years. Yeah. And I would say it doesn't matter how he gets past it. Like even if he fires all the people who are in his way, it just needs to not either

say I'm done or I'm impeached and I'm in jail. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to just get a couple more facts in. All right. Then we got to review Degrassi. We will. We will. We'll get right back to where we were a second ago, but I have, I'm just going to run down

the rest of this. We didn't think any Patreon supporters this week. We will in a sec. Okay. We'll do it at the end. Oh, okay. That's right. I completely forgot because I got excited about talking about wrestling with you.

So Alex, Alex makes the argument that the American revolution is the only good revolution that's ever happened, which I would argue is not the case for Indians, Native Americans or black people. Well, the Libby Terrence say, Hey, we won. So his argument is that it brings the most freedom and that's not true for many groups who aren't white dudes for a very long time, a shockingly long time, even for pretty smart people in modern day. I don't think people realize how long it took for basic rights to be applied.

Hey, Cain, maybe you should talk to Ernie Ladd. I thought you were going to say Ernest the cat Miller or any guy who's probably dealt with a lot of racism. Yeah. Yeah. So then Cain brings up the red pill. I got really excited because I was going to make a pun about how he's the big red pill machine.

Oh, that would be great. The clip is really boring, but it was worth it for the pun. Cain was a known like pill popper back in the day. Oh, God. Oh, man. Like if he was Kevin Nash, that'd have been great to call him the big red pill poppin machine. He admits, not admits, I mean, he just talks about it, but he talks about writing for the Daily Caller, which is a publication that's owned by Tucker, Tucker Carlson as full of

shit. He wrote an article about wealth inequality and how the government creates it and it's just a bunch of bullshit. He doesn't. He doesn't actually cite any evidence. He's just saying things. He talks about how bad healthcare is around the world, about how like Alex has an employee who works in England.

I would like to know how does Cain have insurance? He doesn't. We're going to get to that in the last clip. Oh, interesting. Well, he does have to pay for it himself. Yeah, interesting. You think a guy who worked for a billion dollar company for over 20 years would have health insurance provided by them?

No, certainly not. Interesting. So Alex talks about how he has an employee in Britain who is dealing with the terrible British healthcare system. That's Paul Joseph Watson. I think it's bad here. You should go over there and Canada ain't no better. He's a goddamn propagandist and so I don't care what he's saying.

And then Cain chimes in that he has a friend in Canada who needed an MRI and so he had to wait a while based on the Canadian system. So he went to Detroit and went and got it. I would say, okay, well, your friend has $3,000 to spare. Good on him. Fine. Not everyone is. I'm trying to think who it would be.

And also 2012 Canadian, maybe Jericho or Jericho needed an MRI edge, maybe. Certainly any of those people don't have insurance. No. I mean, Nick Fully the other day was doing a Kickstarter for some surgery. Yeah. I saw that. You did that a while back, right? Yeah.

And again. No, that was a couple, maybe a year ago. Okay. Yeah. That's the one I remember. A hip surgery or something. Yeah. And then from Canada too, and he got drunk and jumped out of a window and accidentally

broke both of his ankles and he got healthcare, got treated, got no one asked any questions. Everything was taken care of. Got a bunch of surgery. I have a. So, Hey, I got an example too. Dumbass. I don't know. I have a friend in parts unknown and boy, they are, you talk about healthcare there.

Oh boy. Yeah. Anyway, demon doctors, I'm going to finish up all my rambling here by giving you a little bit more of the Von Mies Institute's ideas about stuff. They believe in child labor. They think the child labor laws are stupid. Look what it did. It made a great author out of Charles Dickens.

Certainly. You got forced into. Pressure builds diamonds. Exactly. There's no other way to create them. No other way. Their argument hinges largely on like stupid anecdotal ideas about like, Hey, kids know more about computers than adults do.

Why can't they make money on it? Why can't they build them? Why can't they make more money on teaching people how to use? And my response to that is they fucking can. You know what? When I was a kid, I charged people to mow their lawns. Any kid can do that with, I will help you with your computer. That's not child labor.

The child labor laws that are in place are, you can't have kids working at your fucking factory. You can't have kids building the computers. Exactly. That's the problem. That's the thin line. That's the distinction. If a kid wants to like start up some sort of kid doesn't want to go to school and they

just want to get into that warehouse and just start building computers for no money. Let's let them do it. Some kids are fucking passionate about the warehouses. Yeah. And they're, they, they pretend that it's like kids can't make money, but what if they're enterprising? They fucking can't. What if they need an MRI in Detroit?

Right. Their parents need three grand. That was a home alone proposal where this kid was in Canada and couldn't get an MRI. So he snuck over to the U S and got one. Yeah. It was a Canadian version of home alone. It's bad. It's bad.

It's bad. It's bad. Yeah. It's a bad movie. It was a bad joke. It wasn't a great joke, but I was trying to play it out in my head is how that would work as a movie. I'm like, I don't want to see this movie.

Yeah. So the last thing I'm going to say about the Von Mies Institute. Mies Institute. Excuse me. I want to talk about their racism. Oh no. They're racist. Very.

Oh no. I'm going to read a couple of quotes from Ludwig Von Mies. Oh no. Ludwig Von Mies is racist. Quote, it is nonsensical to fight the racial hypothesis by negating obvious facts. It is vain to deny that up till now certain races have contributed nothing or very little to the development of civilization and can in this sense be called inferior. That's Von Mies right there, baby.

Here's another quote. Quote, it may be admitted that the races differ in talent and character, that there is no hope of ever seeing those differences resolved. But still, free trade theory shows that even the more capable races derive an advantage from associating with the less capable and that social cooperation brings them the advantage of higher productivity and total labor process. Exploit the less able races. What else are we going to do with them?

So you might be thinking to yourself, that's Ludwig Von Mies. That's like probably a guy who existed in the Austro-Hungarian Habsburg Empire. Yeah, he's not modern. Here's Murray Rothbard. He's on Twitter. Turns out he's on Twitter. Here's Murray Rothbard. Okay.

Quote, the officially oppressed of American society, which is code in this case for black people, women, gays, etc. None white men. They are a parasitic burden. Dee. Forcing their hapless oppressors to provide an endless flow of benefits. Oh boy. Whoa.

You're making us all into scrooges. Exactly. Yeah. So he also doesn't like women. Murray Rothbard doesn't. This is from the Southern Poverty Law Center. They wrote this up about him. Quote, the call of equality, he wrote, is a siren song that can only mean the destruction

of all that we cherish as being human. Rothbard blames much of what he dislikes on the meddling women. In the mid-1800s, a legion of Yankee women who were not fettered by the responsibilities of household work imposed voting rights for women on the nation. Later, Jewish women, after raising funds from, quote, top Jewish financiers, agitated for child labor laws, Rothbard adds with evident disgust. The, quote, dominant tradition of all these activist women, he suggests, is lesbianism. Classic.

Classic. Classic. So they just want to kiss each other. So the current head of the Meese Institute, I've corrected myself, and one of these stalwarts of libertarianism right now is a guy named Walter Block, and he's responsible for a lot of the arguments that we read from the Meese Institute's website, the defending blackmailers and stuff like that. He's a real contrarian asshole, and he had this to say about slavery.

Think about this in relation to Kanye West, quote, free association is a very important aspect of liberty. It's crucial. Indeed, its lack was the major problem with slavery. The slaves could not quit. They were forced to associate with their masters when they would have vastly preferred not to do so. Otherwise, slavery wasn't so bad.

You could pick cotton, sing songs, be fed nice gruel, et cetera. The only real problem was that this relationship was compulsory. It violated the law of free association and that of the slaves' private property rights in their own persons. The Civil Rights Act of 1964, then, to a much smaller degree, of course, made partial slaves of the owners of establishments like Woolworth's. Oh boy. Holy shit.

It wasn't that bad. First of all, there's that. Yeah. Oh, the problem with the slavery is you couldn't quit, not all the other stuff. Enjoyed meals and sing songs, pick cotton. Sing songs, pick cotton. You got a job? Yeah.

You could sing? No. You know, hey Dan, we both worked at places where we were not allowed to sing while we were working. That's true. You know, back when you were at Starbucks, you would have just been singing the whole time. Zippity-doo-duh.

Oh, why does my brain immediately go to the racist song of the South movie? Wow, interesting. Maybe because that's exactly what he's fucking talking about. Interesting. Man, it's crazy. It's so crazy. I mean, there's the really basic versions of this. Most libertarians are against the Civil Rights Act because they're like, why should your

business be required to serve black people if you don't want to? When they talk about freedom of association, they're not talking about like if you're in the underprivileged class, you should be allowed to associate with people who are privileged. They're talking about if you are white, you shouldn't have to deal with other people. You shouldn't be forced to associate with other people. And then they bring it into like labor laws and stuff like that in the absolutely most twisted ways. All of this is bullshit.

It's fucking bullshit. They're all racist con men. Sounds like it. Anyway, I have one more clip to close this out. Alex asks Kane about the WWE. He didn't ask about the NWO? No, he does not. All right, let's hear it.

He doesn't even ask about DX. I mean, Kane was a part of DX. Brother. He's an associate. He was tagged champs with X-Pac. He was an associate. He was in. He was in for my money.

He asks about the WWE in terms of libertarianism. And this answer is super fucked up. He's going to wave that flag. Oh, it's the most libertarian place on the planet. It's you're not far off, but the details of the answer are so weird. Let's talk about a world wrestling entertainment briefly. What's the average political makeup there? Are people waking up there or more people going to speak out there?

What do you think that's going because you've used your fame to help promote liberty? Are other folks going to be joining you and are you and what are you doing running for political office? I have no plans to run for political office now. Maybe in the future, I might do that. As far as my colleagues, you know, it's the reason that most people don't pay attention to stuff is they're just trying to make a living, man, taxes. They're trying to take care of their families.

You know, they're trying to deal with all the stuff that life gives you in general. And then on top of that, we have this enormous paradigm shift, which I believe is on the horizon. But, you know, like most people, I think our guys, they do. There's a libertarian streak in as far as. Oh, yeah. I don't really like taxes that much because we're, we have to pay our own taxes. We're going to pay the contractors, which means that we have to write the check out

to the IRS and nothing will bring your religion faster than actually having to sit down and sign a big old check over to the, uh, well said. Hey, listen, you got a promise to come back and next time you're in Austin coming studio. All right, man. I will. Thanks for having me off. Thanks a lot. Powerful interview.

Powerful interview. You must have just been listening to Rogan. Oh, brother. How god damn stupid do you have to be to be so mad that you have to pay your taxes? Uh, that, like it turns you libertarian as opposed to looking at the situation you're in and being like, huh, wait a minute, this business that has been exploiting my labor for 20 years and making millions off of me playing, first of all, a dentist character and then fake diesel.

And then this demon from hell where I get accidentally burned from time to time. The same business, the same business that's destroyed, uh, most of my coworkers bodies to the point where they all need surgery and some of them kill their families. Some of them have killed their families. One of them has killed their family. Yeah. But others have killed themselves through drug abuse or literal suicide. But you got to remember this was when WB was big on like, Hey, if you need to go to rehab,

we have our wellness policy and they were like, Hey, in 2013, maybe all these dead wrestlers to all these wrestlers stopped dying. So they started patting themselves in the back real hard on that cane was fucking around and doing work for them back when unprotected shots to the head were the modus operandi. Absolutely. That was just the normal thing. Absolutely. And Hey, no healthcare.

Well, you know, go work somewhere else if you don't want to, you know, the free market dictates that you must enjoy getting hit in the head with a chair and getting CTE his pal JBL, you know, hit a lot of people in the head real hard with chairs. Yeah. A backstage even hand bet and did a lot of other fun stuff. Yeah. I mean, this is so crazy to me. How I'm like, I don't want to be mad at Kane, no, except for, for his performance in the

ring. I feel like somebody indoctrinated him into libertarian ideas. Libertarian ideas. I know. Here's the deal. A lot of time on the road. You know, you're reading a lot of books and do a lot of Rush Limbaugh on the road. You know, he probably got indoctrinated and was like, Yeah.

Yeah. Versus somebody being like, this is fucking so dumb that we are an independent contract. There's one clip where he mentions a guy named Kyle Bass, okay, who he subscribes to like he subscribes to his beliefs. He's a hedge fund manager. Okay. I wish I still had this clip in because it turns out that Kyle Bass runs a hedge fund. Guess what the name is.

Heyman. Oh, wow. Okay. Which is interesting just for the parallels. Yeah. I totally agree with you. Someone must have like touched his ear a little bit in some way because you can't have a personal situation that is this like as exploitative as professional wrestlers have and then be

like, Oh no, the problem is that the business should have even more power. Yeah. Like do you think Vince should give you guys insurance? Heavens no. We don't want to be a bigger burden on this. That would be an encouragement on his personal liberties. And then what if he couldn't pay that and we had to go out of business? That would be so bad for him.

Yeah. He shouldn't have fed Shane. He could have sold Shane and Stephanie had he not wanted that burden. Kind of did in some ways. Kind of did. So. So that's the end of this cane exploration. I mean, it's fucked up.

It's a mess. Yeah. It's a mess. There's so many real issues that he could wrestle with spoiler pun. But he didn't. Doesn't. And he's just, it's why I think he's one of those. Well, I made my fortune doing my own thing.

He probably was, you know how you hear those stories of like professional basketball players who squander all their money when you hear a few who invest well and they're kind of dicks about it. Yeah. About the system that's in place. Yeah. I get the sense that maybe Kane made a lot of money pretty early and was smart about it and is now so secure.

Like maybe he invested in some property and he rents it out to people. Yeah. Has like some rental properties. He flipped the house. I heard that recently. He did. He flipped the house. I made a little money.

Yeah. He probably, his real estate. I believe he owned a gym. That's a good way to get some coin coming in. Yeah. I mean, there are these things, owning retail and like basic retail properties and like apartments. Yeah.

That sort of thing. Any kind of land you can own is. Vince Russo opened a CD store when the offense right after MP3 is really taken over. Like right after? Yeah. Swerve. Pretty much. Did not work out.

I don't know. I think it's pathetic. I think all of this is pathetic. I think the Von Mies Institute is pathetic. Yeah. I think the Austrian school is stupid. Yeah. There's a lot more complexity to it too and we're not dealing with it in like a.

This just sounds like something that sounds great at a bar of like. Yeah man. This government's taking all our money and you're just like, okay. Only humans can act man. Society can't act. And then you're like, okay. Then you do a little more research and you're like, well, you know what, this is the answer. Stats aren't real.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's that. Marty, it's been fun. Dan. Thank you for having me on. It's a pleasure. It's always a pleasure.

People should check out your podcast. Yeah. Marty and Sarah love wrestling. That's right. It's a. Every Thursday, new episode. On next week. Hundreds.

Hundreds. Episode. Holy shit. Celebrate the 99th now. Forget about the hundred. That's my advice to you. Also, we got to like episode 150 or so of this show and I didn't even notice. Well, there you go.

We should. We never numbered our episodes. That's the problem. You're putting out some. Too much. You're doing. God's work. Too much.

You're on iTunes. You're on Marty and Sarah love wrestling.com. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's all. Now. Stand updates.

Sure. Sure. I'm around. Yeah. You do comedy. I'm around. That's the perfect plug. I'm around.

I do comedy. We're on knowledge fight.com. That's our website. We're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. Patreon. It's true. It's there. I appreciate that very much.

My problem. I appreciate all of our policy walks. I'm going to give a shout out to a couple. Yeah. Because I know you want to hear some sound effects. Oh yeah. We completely forgot at the beginning of the show to talking too much wrestling. What about a.

What about a drop from Alex? What are you talking about? Did you do it? I don't know how to contact. Okay. I was going to put here. I'll play one. I'm racist.

Okay. There you go. Oh, shit. We missed that. Yeah. I'd like to give a shout out to a new policy walk. Destiny. Thank you so much.

Destiny. I'm a policy walk. Thank you so much. Destiny. We appreciate it. Also from the band. Destiny's Child. No.

That's her child. She's the mother. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yes. Yes. The mother of Destiny's Child. Yes.

This one is big. He came to town to visit, so we've actually met this gentleman. Okay. He's a cool dude. Okay. This guy you went out with after we had our wonderful tide lunch? No. Were you okay after that?

I shit my pants. I didn't shit my pants, but man, did I make it home just in time. I was fine. Wait. What? Throwback to the Degrassi days. Spice report. You got the spice report sound bite.

No. We had a spice report. We had a spice report. And we went to get some hot time. Yeah. And we ran to get to the train. Yeah. And we were both like, that might not have been a great idea.

It was a, it was a photo finish to get to my bathroom. I don't remember. You were off to the art thing. Oh, no, I went with Jordan and his girlfriend to go to the art screening. Oh, no, I had to shit. Oh man. I had to shit, but I was fine after that. Like I, it was touch and go for a minute, but it was fine.

No, this gentleman came to town months ago and we met up and got some nice drinks and he lives in Austin. Okay. And we will be in Austin on June 15th to not bullhorn Alex Jones's studio, but we'll be there to do a live show at beer land. And I appreciate John bumping up his donation. He is now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk.

Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomight sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser, little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you, John. Yeah. We are, you can find our patreon at knowledge fight.com. Just click the support the show about it. Titty baby. We're also on Facebook. We have a group on Facebook called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.

Tell your mother you're a titty baby. Yeah, that should have been the name of it. There's a lot of things that I wish I could rename. I don't think the Facebook group I'd like to read. Are you happy with knowledge fight? No, I am and I'm not. I'm fine with it now, but I wish I would have called the show. They're all con men because that's more the point of all this.

Yeah. Everyone is running a scam. Yeah. These are all get rich quick people. These are all people who generally have ties to gold sale operations. They're all fucking with you. Yeah. And that's all the right wing is anymore.

Follow the money baby. Follow the money. Quibo. No. It's all scams. But anyway, Marty, this has been a lot of fun. Hey, it's been a whole lot of fun here. Thanks for coming.

Thanks for having me. Until next time. Oh, wait. What? The end of the show. Someone's got to be told to fuck themselves. Oh, that's right. You get to choose.

Obviously, the easy answer is Glenn Jacobs, a.k.a. Kane. It is. It is the easy answer. But I I still I still like so I'm going to tell Jeff Jarrett did come up. Hey, I love Jeff Jarrett. Jeff Jarrett. Shut up.

I love Jeff Jarrett. He's he's a he's a very cool dude. Yeah. He's a OK. My book. If it's a man can fuck off. Yeah. Why not?

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So I like some of the colors here today. And I love your work. I love you.