Knowledge Fight - #158: January 21, 2009

Episode Date: May 7, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the January 21, 2009 episode of The Alex Jones Show. Barack Obama has been president for exactly one day, and Alex is already way off board with the idea of giving him a chance. Alex spends most of the show poorly parsing Obama's inauguration speech, then welcomes two complete weirdo guests to spice things up.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Indeed we do Dan. Mm-hmm. Dan. Yeah, Dan. What's up, sir? It's been a while since I've been here Yeah, big thank you to Marty DeRosa for sitting in. Absolutely fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. Yeah, good times But Dan it has been so long since I've been here. Yes, that I don't even remember what the hell our show is about So could you refresh my memory? So I about a year and a half ago decided I'm gonna learn everything there is to learn about Alex Jones, right?

Because you're saying you decided to live a normal life And at this point, you know very little about Alex Jones or retain very I heard I heard Marty's a very direct criticism How dare you sir? He would argue that's not criticism and I defend that assertion But yeah, I know a lot about him. You don't know much about him. Nope. There's our fun also today doing a I want to give a special thank you to you for still making it over here after after shows and working all day You're you're going the extra mile and I really appreciate it. I think I'm I think I'm about to lose my mind I think I'm on I think I'm on three hour sleep. Yeah, I've worked about 15 hours straight

I just got off stage just got off stage and now I'm here. So here we go. So Frankly, I might have just got off stage. I did not remember getting this could be a fever dream This was a long ways away, and I don't remember how long it took So before we get into this today, we're gonna be going over. What is this January 21st of 2009? All right, one day into Barack Hussein Obama's presidency Present one day. All right. All right. Keep that in mind So he gave him a chance as we know yes If we look back on what he said in the present and compare it with what he did now

Yeah, you know he obviously really believed that Obama could bring some hope and change We all got caught up in the fall to be cynical. You know, we all got caught up in the fervor. So Alex I'm assuming says Here is what we hope Obama fixes and here is what we think Obama should do to fix Let's have reasonable expectations exactly just like he would ask of people on Trump's inauguration day Be reasonable. Let's let's push our hands across the aisle for a big hearty handshake and hope for the future We will see what he says. Okay, but something that gives me hope for the future Wonderful transition Dan. Thank you. A couple of our new donors like give a shout out. What's going on out there?

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Nice plug plenty of buttons. I'm just gonna throw them at the crowd like it's a let me tell you something Seats going fast totally don't think they have seats Think it might be a standing room on the situation But you know what could be if it is that might be trouble A two-hour long podcast about Alex Jones standing room only. Ooh, that might be weird. Yeah, we can't do that I'm excited for this. Let's buy some chairs. Oh, man. I will see what happens. Let's buy some chairs I don't know. I'm gonna need a lot more policy walks Imagine a situation where people are watching a podcast standing up that's got

It's like the comedians of comedy tour man Patton Oswald Maria Bamford. They were we are neither of them, right? That's true at our show would be us sitting down talking about Alex, right, right? We would have to stand up the whole show I don't want to do that. We should have this off air. Yeah Something else that should have been off air is Alex Jones making this admission which is our out of context drop for today Okay. Well, I have to say I've done cocaine twice When I was like 15 16 You know, I'd be at a party or something and somebody'd say

You know, there's some you know cocaine in this in this in this joint or in this cigarette and you smoke some of it And it would just make me feel like a dirty coffee high Alex Alex So so so one of these kids was offering me drugs they were offering me They get I took heroin and then later on I smoked a joint and I'll tell you right now this joint That's out of control these kids with their drugs these days. I would I want I'm definitely not an off-duty writer for a

21 jumps I want to say first of all Alex Jones seems to do every drug twice. He seems to every single time he brings one up He's like I've done it twice. Well, yeah, but you don't know for the first time That's true. And and frankly, I think your body's not used to it. Two isn't even enough I mean three to develop a pattern. That's called the scientific method, Dan Oh, so smoke even when doing drugs Alex doesn't believe in science smoking cocaine and a joint won't do anything If you inhale like if you breathe some of the cocaine into your mouth, it'll make your mouth numb

Yeah, but it the I don't remember exactly what it is But the point at which it would be combustible or boilable You you're not gonna get it with the cherry on a joint. It doesn't do anything There's a reason crack. There's a reason crack pipes get really really hot and why you have to cook the cocaine To change that boiling point Also, what what what this is like 25 years ago? Maybe children. That's not saying it's 15 year old Yeah, that's true. Maybe they're you know, like it's Okay, and in here

I'm going out of I'm going out on a limb if this story is true, which it probably is probably not if it is true Alex they were fucking with you. It could be There's no way that's a waste of good coke. So anyway, let's jump into this or if you're 15 or 16 Probably bad coke at the time. I would assume so especially in like the 70s. Yeah 80s 80s Anyway Back to the main to matter at hand that is Barack Obama is yeah, the president of the United States smoking smoking coke for one day Here's where Alex Jones is fucking stupid head is that again not giving him a chance

Barack Obama the one-term senator Patty who supposedly will save us, but then they don't tell the public while they're promising. We will save you We will give you jobs. We will help you Meanwhile over a trillion dollars a week is being stolen by a criminal syndicate of offshore banks All right Congress that they are under martial law under the War Powers Act I have that's in mainstream news and the public is dances and You know the kids are buying all the comic books with Obama on the cover as the hero with Superman and Spidey And the people are smiling and feeling good

Spidey Spidey Superman Spidey it's very familiar Well, he is your friendly neighborhood spider. That's a fair point Yeah, what are you look mr. Spider-Man was my dad. All right So Congress was not told that they are under martial law based on the War Powers Act, right? Hey, Dan, let me ask you a question. What's the GDP of the United States a lot like per year a lot What do you say that like the budget is a lot? Yeah, is it? 52 trillion dollars no such that one trillion dollars a week could be stolen probably not also Alex says this like

I don't know. I don't remember what if it's in the present or in the past But I can't refine the clip, but he's talking about how like there are there are globalists who are making 20 billion dollars an hour It's a lot to me. I just think like I don't know I don't know how that's possible like business days or just like average they work It's like stand-ups, you know, you make a ton an hour, but you only work right exactly exactly. It could be that sort of thing Yeah, I don't know. I mean you you we say if you're if you're a billionaire making billions an hour You're probably not gonna work the full 40 hours a week. No Yeah, you put in 25. Yeah, absolutely. We don't get benefits then. That's trouble

Also the War Powers Act is sort of just a colloquial name for the War Powers Resolution that was passed in 1973 has nothing to do with telling Congress that you're under Martial law, which we weren't also What? Wait, wait, you can just tell Congress specifically. Well, I think that Congress is under martial law I think he's saying that Barack Obama obviously Hussein, right? Yeah He told Congress that the United States is under The only reason he's saying that is because the War Powers Act was made after Vietnam

Yeah, because they wanted to try and clarify what the roles of Congress and the president are in terms of like deploying people and shit Like that and the I read over it and most of it has to do with like just strict guidelines about if you send people You have to tell Congress. Yeah, so he's just operating off of that and just making shit up Well, because as we know we weren't under martial law. No, that didn't happen. No, and also I'm fairly certain no matter how I In America, I don't think any sitting president could ever just raise his hand and just be like Martial law done But see you're under Alex's I call martial law under Alex's conception. I'm not it. You're it martial law under under Alex's idea

It's not the president that's doing it. It's this a hundred year long plan of this. Oh, that's right That's what have you so he's just bringing it to fruition. He's telling Congress what they already knew Cuz he's the anti-Christ. Absolutely. Yeah, so that's a bunch of nonsense But it should illustrate that like Alex the next day already just I'm gonna piss on oboe. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, this guy. Oh, this is the worst Not even a day look at him. Come on. I for some reason when I look at him. I think bad president I don't know why it's what I mean. It's just when I look at him. Mm-hmm. My first thought is bad president I don't see any possible reason for that other than a gut feeling

I've heard people say he smells like At least the narrative progressed slightly I will give him credit for that So Jordan generally when we like to have a good time on this show We end up seeing Alex Jones singing along to the highway man loving it We also saw eastbounded down on the last one great song to sing along to Gets everybody going. I have to make a public admission None of these songs are Alex Jones's favorite song. Oh Alex Jones has a favorite song I'm pretty clear that this next song is

Alex Jones literal favorite song back then okay, cuz he plays it on almost every show and gets really sentimental But he doesn't always sing along. Okay, however on the January 21st episode he decides to sing. All right, so I'm gonna go ahead and guess It's the yeah. Yeah. Yes interesting. What the cut of theirs You know, there's a lot of I'm gonna go with maps. He seems like a very kind of basic He likes that. He doesn't like the the deep cuts. He likes the singles. I'm gonna go with maps Did that come out by this point? Uh, it came out in 2001. Oh, yeah 9-11 actually happy 9-11 happy 9-11 Wait, kick it away with that melody

No, it is actually a song called grave digger by Willie Nelson Okay, I came out on Willie Nelson's 2008 album moment of forever and was forgotten by literally everyone except Alex Jones I think I remember how that song is. It's like a I ain't saying she's a grave digger No, but here it is Cyrus Jones Cyrus Jones from 1810 to 1913 Hey, these great-grandchildren believe you could live to 103 103 is forever when you're just a little kid. So

so Cyrus Jones Learn your goddamn When you dig my grave Would you make a shallow? So Not Willie's best friend Hey, police. They taught you to

The Constitution they told you was okay. First of all, fuck you for judging his timing He has terrible timing with singing but he got right into that. Hey, please That's true. That's true. He knows what he's doing ma'am. That's good broadcasting good stuff, but it's terrible singing I do agree. He does not understand me gotta figure out. Yeah. Yeah, that's not to be that too much of his brides Anyway, let's let's see what he's saying after that that beat kicks out Slowly twisted you to the dark side Now you get to drink from the same cup as the people I know most of you aren't evil

But you're not speaking out against the evil You know when my writers are writing a story about a Woman spilling a glass of her kids spilling a glass of Tomato juice and being charged with terrorism LA Times Thousands of others go look at those cases look at the people's names men and women I've seen a bunch of reports on airplanes for somebody who's a on airplanes is shocked They won't respond They start babbling they're delirious. They land the airplane people come on board. They're unresponsive of the cop

Well, they taser them and then guess what happens they get charged and in a few of the cases They've been reasonable after they've already tortured them and drop the charges. There's other cases where they don't Though you don't believe me just Google those terms and you'll pull that up Google diabetic charge with terrorism or Man charge of terrorism for collapsing on plane. This is the new system a predatory government just viciously Savagely not even going after people that resist it they go after us as well What but going after completely innocent mainline Dumbo sheep That's not nice because they've got camps to fill they've got prisons to fill

It's a business Fucking Alex Jones understood in Poor profit prison industry Alex Jones understood that prisons were a business and they were being filled But I mean we could look at the statistics and find that it's mostly being filled by black people Which is a coincidence. Maybe Alex doesn't want to talk about that You'd rather talk about how black people have higher rates of abortion and I believe hero for being against that I believe I believe if I recall correctly from what he just said They're even coming after us

Well, he I mean in that case, which I understand what he's I understand what he's saying in the context here But I also there's plenty of there's plenty of time for the racial stuff later Don't worry about that. That I think the gun that I think is just those who would resist I think that's what he's saying in his in his head right because he is so black people Perhaps what he's saying though dude is really troubling You know that he's fully aware in 2009 that prisons are a business Yeah, and they're being run like a business and you going to prison makes them money. Yeah now Oh, and also they can profit off of your labor. Mm-hmm. It's crazy crazy

Weird how you can pay a prisoner a dollar an hour. Yeah, crazy Uh-huh. Oh, it's almost like they have a financial incentive So this story that he's talking about he brings up like maybe ten times throughout the rest of the show is like this person spilled tomato juice And they're charged with terrorism. Yeah, what was up with that? Was it like a v8? Yeah Probably on a plane because I'm gonna be honest Sounds terroristic to me. It was on a plane. And so it had to be v8. Yeah, here's from the LA Times 26 pages redacted all about v8 probably. Yeah, here's the from the article in the LA Times that he was citing

Tamara Joe Freeman was on a frontier Airlines flight to Denver in 2007 when her two children began to quarrel over window shade and then spilled a bloody Mary into her lap So it wasn't tomato juice. No, that was booze could have been a virgin bloody Mary. Yeah, you're right It could have been she spanked each of them on the thigh with three swats It was a small incident but one in the heightened anxiety after the September 11th terrorist attacks would eventually have enormous ramifications For Freeman and her children a flight attendant confronted Freeman who responded by hurling a few profanities and throwing what remained of a can of Tomato juice on the floor. So then she got arrested and I think it's a little fucked up But I I on I understand this trend

But at the same I mean, it's fucked up But at the same time if she wasn't wearing shoes I'd have been totally fine with it Well, like if she had taken her shoes off and they just did it for that I would have been fine with that like if she if they if they were like look you can throw your tomato juice as far as you Want but I will be god damned if you aren't gonna sit here with open toed socks here, man Yeah, this is ridiculous. Well, I mean even this article in the late times says some security experts say that the use of the law by Airlines and their employees has run amok criminalizing incidents that did not start out as a threat to public safety much less than active terrorism So, I mean even this article is like it's already making a more nuanced criticism than Alex is so I don't know

That's the mainstream media. I don't know what point he wants to make here like there's actual facts in here He just yells about spilled tomato. Hey, this this is fucked up and everybody's like, yeah, this is fucked up Mm-hmm. So what where we go from here Alex, huh? So what are we doing? The the law in the Patriot Act has given airlines great act Problems best act as is given airlines new flexibility to clamp down on unruly behavior But the intent of the Patriot Act provisions was put was to put terrorists in violation of the law Before they could execute an actual takeover says Nathan sales a law professor at George Mason University Who helped write the Patriot Act when he served in the Justice Department?

But sales acknowledged that in the fervor to protect the skies the practical application of the law has strayed a woman's Banking her child is not as great a threat to aviation as members of al Qaeda with boxcutters that much is clear. He said cool Man, I do not like hearing I do not like hearing George Mason But I don't like it, but this is after finding out how much coke money they're getting but this is more like it I don't know anything about that. Oh, they're getting a lot, but if you look at this This is more a story of sort of The airlines use misusing discretion that's at their disposal. Yeah, then it is a police state crackdown

This is something that the the airlines can deal with as a small disruption or let's get them arrested Right, and they're often opting for the latter in order to Criminize that behavior make their job much easier scare people now the airlines are already a cartel So why not give them a unlimited power to police themselves? That makes perfect sense. Oh, yeah, come on. So Let them act with impunity because as we already know God damn it if those corporations don't have our best interests in mind. They love us. They love us So at this point Alex, we're gonna miss a lot of stuff that's on this episode a lot of like

Little tiny things that might be interesting but are inconsequential Uh-huh because in this episode he launches into like I would say probably a little over an hour Breakdown of Barack Obama's inauguration speech that I'm in on it is some in-depth analysis Okay, would you here's the beginning of it? Recall that speech it was it was a very inspiring but also pretty boilerplate speech It was very much like it was like hey come on guys. Let's fucking do this better. Well, Alex's take is a little different Here's the beginning of it. Okay I've been kind of procrastinating getting into this because it's a monumental job

I rewatched his speech last night and again this morning and wrote several pages of notes, but so much work Let's just get started here With Barack Barack Obama with 2 million people in attendance the biggest presidential inaugural ever See now he would argue that now, right? He would debate that point now Oh, of course, but he needs to make people scared about this right so it's like oh my god Look at all these people look at there are so many people there that must mean it's terrifying and they're brainwashed By this cult cult of personality leader crazy. Yeah crazy. It would be even better for him if there were 3 million people there Booing bush as the old new world order puppet is removed the old birdcage liner is removed

It's covered with seeds and stuff the bird dropped and bird crap and get ready for 40 more seconds of this metaphor We're still going all of that he already nailed it and instead of focusing on the bird the new world order that's doing all of this To us we focus on the birdcage liner that the media tells you the president is the boss or actually run something Okay, when the military national complex is overthrown everything through North come and that's owned by the private banks And the army war college admits this and the head of the naval war college admits it so They are now putting in the fresh bird cage liner and then building up the bird cage liner is he's gonna fix it He's gonna save you just go along with his agenda

That is the bird basically tripling the amount of poop it drops on us Okay, all right, this is a very complex inner life for a bird. Yeah so Alex has some problems and one of those things is not being specific about anything Right and another is that Google allows you to search within websites. What's the naval and army war college? Well, here's what's interesting. I Searched within info wars because they've they don't have a search on their site anymore Of course not that which is you don't want to you don't want to find it

It turns out Google just has a function for it though. So yeah, of course. It's not hard so I searched for naval war college and Pretty much every single article came up referenced one guy. We'll get to that in a second There are a couple articles that had different people, but it was very sporadic and they were completely unrelated Oh, I would say 70 to 80 percent of all of the articles that come up reference John Schindler as The specialist from the Navy War College, right? Which I assume is something to do with what he's talking about

But I couldn't find anything even on info wars about North com admitting that They're run by the banks and the military industrial copyrights is ruling the president No, but I can't find any of you. It's in the white papers. Also in my search. Yes In all of these do you know who John Schindler is? No, he's an ex NSA agent, I believe so you don't want to be on his list or researcher or something like that I'm gonna take a point away from that. That's I just get the pun now. Yeah He got fired for like emailing a picture of his dick to somebody Which is bad spy behavior. That's not good. And then now in the yeah

If you if you're a spy and you get found out for that shit You're a bad spy in the aftermath of the 2016 election. Also, he was Pretty prominent in the Louise Mench Twitter sphere. Great. So he has shown up in that beyond that I don't really know much about him He might have some credentials and it does appear that he used to teach at the Navy War College Okay, but I don't think he was ever the head of it and there aren't any articles on Alex's site even the Talk about this. I could this would take days of googling to try and figure out. What are you saying? So it would actually be a monumental amount of effort to do that instead of just

Googling once and then writing down notes. It's yeah, I suppose so So then the other thing is that he mentions the Army War College Yeah, every almost every single article and Alex Jones's fucking site on Info Wars about the Army War College is Warning about this one white paper Uh-huh It sort of is relevant and so I read it. It's called known unknowns Unconventional strategic shocks in defense strategy development, right? It came out right before this episode would have come it came out and I believe in November 2008 and the reason for that is

Explained by this quote from the first page The current defense team confronted a game-changing strategic shock in its first eight months in office The next team would be well advised to expect the same You understand what that's saying. Yeah when bush came into office His defense team within eight months had 9-11 happened, which was a game-changing strategic shock Yeah, and what they mean by that is Not anything nefarious. It's just that expect the unexpected more or less. Yeah, these strategic shocks It's let me see you when we see where okay here here here's what it's about

The document in no way says that the military industrial complex has taken over the government All it says is that when strategic shocks occur in our history like 9-11 or Pearl Harbor Immediately things get thrown into chaos and all relevant analysis and self-assessment have to do with solving the problem that has already occurred as opposed to looking forward to what is coming this is because up to this point and We sort of fall into these lulls repeatedly through history Yeah, the Department of Defense strategy has been largely reactive in nature and The people who work there fail in their imagination right trying to foresee things right that's what this white paper is about That's a very that's a very human situation though there because if you go back and you look at

the The way that our boom and bust economy always works is whenever things go going really good Everybody deregulates everything and allows everything to get going really bad again. Yeah, like every time people feel comfortable They're like yay. This was gonna last forever And then we get fucked mm-hmm because nobody is nobody is capable really of a long-term strategy apparently But to be fair I look at it to say like I'm guilty of the same thing in terms of this podcast like it's just keeping up Yeah, you know and if you if you think about like everything on them like a ball you just scale up, you know slightly Yeah, everybody even people who are in foreign policy even people who are working for the Defense Department are somewhat just trying to keep up

Yeah, that's what a lot of us are doing at the same time though Our our job is literally reactive like that's all we are capable. We can't plan Alex's narratives in advance and Yeah, that's actually probably a better job. I think we already kind of do yeah I think we've already given him a lot of good advice over the years We are your best advisers So the only part I think that Alex paid attention to in the entire paper it's not very long It's only like eight pages or so maybe a little more than that maybe like 30. I can't remember I read I read a bunch of different things and they were varying lengths. I can't remember which is

But the only thing I think he paid attention to in this is about a possible domestic emergency. Yeah, and I quote We're gonna need some more powers there as a community the defense establishment swears to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies Foreign and domestic the Department of Defense's role in combating domestic enemies has never been thoughtfully examined thus There is perhaps no greater source of strategic shock for the Defense Department than operationalizing that component of the oath of service in a widespread domestic emergency that entails rapid disillusion of public order or In all or significant parts of the United States they describe this as likely not an immediate prospect The paper doesn't say anything prescriptive. It's not saying anyone should to do x y or z Literally all it's saying is that the situation would be an immense challenge for the Defense Department

And so maybe put a little bit of thought into it assholes. It's an example of something unlikely but Catastrophic right that could happen because there isn't a plan in place There's no idea of what to do and so it goes through like here is one problem that would pop up You know having to get National guards into states where the governors have control of whether or not they operate within the state That's an issue that would pop up and we the government would be at the behest of the state It's not saying they shouldn't be it's just describing a problem, right? We're not even a problem. It's describing a challenge Well, I mean you consider the possibility that

Trump is a Rightfully impeached and removed from office and hopefully beheaded in front of everybody And then you have the possibility of a white nationalist separatist movement growing up And then you think about the way he stays in it'll be the same problem Well, but the the thing is if they start to get militarized you have a white nationalist militarized Government I have bad news. No, I mean not I'm not They're already militarized. I mean in a in a like like a literal domestic terrorism kind of way Worse than they are now, right, but you have checked out hate watch. Yeah, I can't yeah, but you have white supremacist

Nationalist governors of states wait. We already kind of no, that's what I'm saying We have at least that Stephen King guy. Oh, yeah, he's super white Now and they're half of those fuckers are white nationalists underneath whatever nightmare scenario Rick Scott should be He's a white whatever nightmare scenario. You're describing right now We're already in the twilight phase of falling into it Exactly, even though we should be jolting awake and fight for the lives and decency As I've always said the only reason to have a professional military is to make sure We protect our borders from Florida. That's really I want everyone Florida

Isolated or do it off. Absolutely. Yeah, also, this is super important This is at the top of the white paper It says quote the views expressed in this report are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or Position of the Department of the Army the Department of Defense or the US government just a guy right now some ideas It's like a fucking term paper All resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental and then Dick Wolf, right exactly I mean like what you're dealing with here is Alex. I mean again If he'd speak in specifics, I could do a better job

but all I can go on is Context clues and everything he's ever published on his website Now if he wants to post an article how Northcom has admitted that they're owned by banks, right and you know who cares anyway We got to get to this next clip. This is where it gets a little bit racial. Okay. All right. It's gonna happen I told you it's gonna heat up pretty quick. Okay They slide it in but Obama has told us what the bird Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller the Rothschild's Soros bingo Soros sitting above the bird case is gonna do

And it in pretty so let's look at what's in this bird's belly What is right now ladies and gentlemen? Let's look at the innards Let's look at the guts of this situation right now from a Barack Obama And I will be playing this and stopping it throughout for the rest of the hour and commenting here We does my fellow citizens I stand here today Humbled by the task before us Grateful for the trust you bestowed

Mindful of the sacrifices born by our ancestors all right stop there Okay Oh Mindful of your sacrifices, you know, we're sacrificing we're together We're one group. I care about you and it's a double meaning To specifically the black folks the suffering of our ancestors, but to the general public it looks like it's an inclusive comment So he's dividing and saying this is a black thing Meanwhile, he increases the abortions for black babies. Sure. Sure. He did that on his birthday a public

Announcement that he is bringing in a vacation just everything is deception Yikes Hey, why can't it be both? Why can't it be a tip of the hat to black people's past in this country and also be a message of unification I'm why can't it be I'm pretty sure because it can be it it it is Yeah, I mean even if it was purely a tip of the cap to which is definitely not the connotation Colloquialism that I would appreciate but it right if it is just that that should be a unifying concept

Mm-hmm if we are all capable of recognizing that sacrifice I'll be god damned if we aren't way more unified as a country Perhaps the thing that is most of them is if it's the fact that so many white people don't understand that this country was built on the Backs of black people sacrifices. I agree with that, but the sacrifice. I don't even think was in the the The phrase Where Alex thinks he's hearkening back no, I'm just purely engaging with how stupid Alex's in this front But it's you remember all the times we've seen him pick apart CNN clips like that. Yeah, good news. He was the same guy

2009 He still had that inability to deal with more than like two seconds at a time exactly Yeah, so you're going to I mean look now hold on. I'm gonna stop. I'm we're gonna have to start this over He does that a bunch of course. Of course. He does. Yeah, so here's the next clip Of the sacrifices born by our ancestors. I Thank president Bush for his service to our nation. I don't I'd like to apologize I think I guess you all right. It was the sacrifice of our ancestors. Yeah, I had the order of terms wrong my bad. I Thank President Bush for his service so after saying how horrible Bush is out criminal how bad

Suddenly oh, he's so great. He's given us a great transition He's worked so hard and you've got all these Republican leaders and Pat Robertson loving him and saying I'm surprised I like him. He's gonna attack all these countries. You got to get behind America it's inevitable So again unifying everybody they're kind of going past the left-right paradigm right now into just we're going into a depression Which which his boss is engineered, but they're not saying that I will save you if you just do what I say The craziest thing he said there is that Pat Robertson is being like socialism bring it on Notorious Christian right fascist racist Pat Robertson is like well now that it's in the form of this guy

Clearly socialism is the best way to go. Oh, yeah, I remember Pat Robertson being very supportive of Obama Also, don't remember that I mean, it's maybe but but it's really great how Alex Peaceful transition of power. Absolutely. I love it. Yeah, but I think Pat Robertson might have given him a day That might be what Alex is responding to the Pat Robertson just didn't say bad shit about it Just as like he gave it a day. Yeah, it's like a decor a courtesy But I mean Alex still isn't saying like let's get him or anything like that At least he's not saying at least he's made peace with the fact that he's president, right, you know There is said for that right and and that's a low bar

But Alex has cleared it He's at least not saying like he cheated or anything like that He he does introduce a narrative where Obama said he didn't even know that three million illegal immigrants voted in that election Totally that didn't come out until Trump and that one guy tweeted. So good source Yeah, um also, but he does try and like spend a narrative about Barack Obama said the wrong words during the pledge Of allegiance. No with the oath of office. Oh, okay. Well, then that means he's not president and that's what he's not president That's one of his collars. That's one of his collars tried to do that But if you love the idea that there's like a fairy tale loophole if you listen to it

What he's supposed to do is repeat after John Roberts. Uh-huh the chief justice and John Roberts flubs it right, so he's just repeating what John Roberts says, right and Then they re-administered the oath right right because it's this dumb Formality just The idea that you can like it's just like a fairy tale where it's like oh you didn't get it in by midnight So you're not president. We got it. We got to redo it the whole thing over. Yeah Yeah, just like just like there's these tiny little loopholes that are oh my name's in capital letters doesn't count, right? We'd like sure never time or whatever. Yeah, you fucking idiot. Yeah, but at least I don't think it too

I don't know if he'll bring that narrative back up in days to come But at least at this great song Yeah, at this time he doesn't seem like he's too into pushing that narrative. So at least he's like I'm not this seems thin. I'm not gonna dive in on this compared to the other stuff he dives into I'm shocked that he doesn't do that, but Another thing that's really fun is that Alex can't fucking time his show in 2009 So he's trying to do this big breakdown of Obama. He just keeps getting caught by breaks He just he's trying to jump in and he has to go to break

The generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition 44 Americans have now taken the presidential oath The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace All right now American tradition when reality he's gonna destroy fully what's left of the American tradition. Yep, so that's yep That's pretty strong. Yep jumped right into it going out to break He's now harkening back to history and he's gonna destroy it all 44 men have now taken this oath of office

37 of which were giant piles of shit at least three others were miserable piles of shit and then Jimmy Carter wasn't a good president, but he's the best man I'm actually kind of glad Marty was here for the discuss It wasn't even really a discussion, but it fucking would have been if you were here about how Andrew Jackson was on Confederate money But it turned into a 15 minute Well, he's part of the fucking reason that the okay never mind never mind So he saw the fucking civil war coming down and he did everything Make it happen. Not according to lore make it not according to lore

Try to get it to happen. All right. All right. Fine. So he goes to find that fucking Alex goes to break And he comes back and we get back into this analysis and boy. This is good analysis Let's go ahead and go back to Barack Obama as I analyze his speech Generous generous every so often the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms

At these moments America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office but because we the people Have remained faithful to the ideals of our forebears All right, let's stop right there. This is a true 12. This is classic. He's saying 44 presidents the honor the history everything we've been through the good times the bad, but we have gathering clouds I need you to help me

Again that classic call the people this is a wholesome good thing if you didn't know the evil agenda and the incredible betrayal I need your help. I need you to join my course separate from government With USA service org private under their control with governmental With a separate governmental army under government control a one million man force they're building so obama's building One million man force On his spare time, right? That's outside of government. That's off the clock With the service org right or whatever where people just log community service hours They did in order to make everyone feel good

That's that's another army. He's building. He's building all these armies. It's gamifying Being a good person. Oh, that's what the service org was also I need to be very clear about this because I think that you agreed with what Alex was saying in in a bad way Alex is inverting it. He's not saying I need your help Saying only all of us can do this, right? That's different No, no, I know the reason that I laughed at that immediately is because I was waiting for him to then be like We also we also need you to fund your operation. We we need your money if it weren't for you guys I wouldn't be able to do this. I represent you. Your brain is displaced in time. Yeah, that's that's present

Fair enough. Alex in 2009 hasn't figured that game out, but trust me We will get into sponsors in a little bit. Okay, very weird But so Obama is going to destroy America. Yeah, he's trying to build a secret plan million man army That's gathering Volunteerism is evil. Oh, yeah, and here you can't trust people who volunteer. Oh, and it gets worse So see that's a deception and then he comes in with the big one he says Our bill of rights our Constitution, right our form of government our our liberty show that's what America's people are yes

Yes, yes But he's coming to destroy all those forms His agenda is to remove those that centralized power and expand the federal government. It's all a trap What are you doing? I don't even want to play the rest of this. Yeah, what the fuck is going on? Now see when he said that it's a good idea to be nice to people what he meant was it's a bad idea to be nice to people And if he said it was a bad idea to be nice to people Well, it was a bad idea to not be nice to people and if he didn't say anything about it I'd be like well, why didn't you say anything about how it is to be nice to people right what a fucking asshole?

Yeah Obama gives a good speech about how we got to work together and You know the reason this country is so great is because we've stuck to our traditions and we've stuck to our Respective law and each other even through hard times and now it is somebody that you absolutely Disagree with who is a war criminal that should be punished? Commensurately yeah, even then America is still like well, we're gonna fucking move along We got another president this war criminal fine fucking at least he's gone now right and now we've got another worker And he wasn't even a dick

About you know George W was well also. I think W at that point was like. Oh, thank God I don't have to do this shit anymore And I don't remember Obama being like fuck George W No, he wasn't he was always ridiculously respectful, which is again one of the reasons that we are where we are right now I mean the there was like a smattering of booze at the inauguration for but that wasn't obama doing that People yeah They have the right to free speech also God, do you remember when the president could use a metaphor to remember those days? Oh

So evocative he used to be able to the president used to be able to speak in such a way That you would feel and you would respond to an image that appeared in your brain. That's called writing well Yeah, but said president made a big old mistake. Oh, no because he wore a tan suit one time Fair enough presidency was diminished It's all it took. Yeah, it's all it took like I said I don't want to play the rest of this or at least a lot of it because it it's just going to be redundant So I'm gonna I'm gonna just play the stuff that I think is Uh

Worth while here he gets caught by another break So it has been so it must be with this generation of americans That we are in the midst of crisis Again, he's saying we're gonna always be like we were before the freedom So it was so it must be It was all about change now he's saying america Dedication honor our history our our our our our sacred conventions and cannons And then he's we just waited just gets more and more incredible

But again, I think he was one of the best speeches ever. He didn't write it He's no longer reading on the teleprompter but delivering it with great aplomb With you know, very well done. We're gonna come back in a long segment get to most of this uh just Devastating to freedom How good was obama as a speaker even alex after claiming that everything he said was a lie That means the opposite of it. It's still like he gave a pretty good speech. Yeah, he's not gonna lie

He's he's it's pretty good. You were talking over it. He said it's a great speech. He didn't write it. Yeah, exactly Like fuck you what a dick. Yeah And actually you can talk to his speech writer and every time his speech writer gave obama a speech It would come back with red Fucking ink all over it because obama was a good writer now the same is true with trump But that's just because he keeps spilling. Yeah Everybody's well actually it's mostly it's mostly tomato juice. Yeah, it's good That's terrorism. He is a terrorist. Um, so I mean, uh, here's some here's this is dumb

Our nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred Our economy is badly weakened Okay, so he ties the economy being trouble to being at war with this Later he goes and now they're gonna smoke them out of their holes So right back to the cold war right back to the anti-terror We're fighting the secret brotherhood of Immanuel Goldstein 1984 the guy with the turban and the big beard and he ties that all in then next to the economy Like we're fighting terrorists and we got to fix our economy. See that's psychology. They're nexus sing the two together

ha It could be That they are interconnected and they are uh negative things that our country is wrestling with right now Yeah, um, I could be when he used the metaphor of gathering storms Perhaps he then literalizes it later on in the speech I would hate for alex to have me go through a bunch of things and see what things he mentions back to back I would hate I would hate To have to find out what he tries to nexus in his audience's brain wouldn't be hard

I imagine a lot of it is pretty dark stuff. I imagine a lot of it drifts heavily white nationalist In nature, especially as we get closer and closer to the present little bit. Um, no big deal So in this next clip, uh, you know, we got you got uh Soy boys running around now. Oh those soy boys. We got a lot of pussy liberals who are getting triggered by a bunch of snowflakes This next clip alex gets triggered by obama. Oh, no And prepare the nation for a new age

Oh, you want some new world order talk can't even fucking say a new way. Yeah, what are you talking about? Oh language policing. Yeah Yeah, uh, obviously New age kocha. It's the new world order. Ah, you're rebranding. I know what you mean. I fooled you so He accuses or obama talking about the environment for being about carbon taxes. We don't really need to listen to that That's just sort of like by sure. Uh, but this this clip is dumb But it's actually kind of funny because uh, you see in real time alex needing two takes to get his rant down

Wait, what? This is a mic down one. Let's do this. This is really fascinating. Here we go These are the indicators of crisis subject to data and statistics Less measurable but no less profound is a sapping of confidence across our land Okay, um, they told us the economy was great for decades as they shifted us from a manufacturing To a getter based service economy. So we would be uh, totally under their control and and not be independent In the government document state, they want that destroy the family breakdown communities bankrupt the states for unfunded mandates

And then he comes in and uh Talks about how we're losing our houses and losing our jobs all done by design Let's back that up again because I want to comment on a planet These are the indicators of crisis same fucking clip data and statistics Less measurable but no less profound is a sapping of confidence Across our land Okay, now now now what happened the bankers told us everything was great while they were setting this up While we were all going into debt while the society was falling apart. He's just like I forgot my bank

All right. All right. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Let me take that one more time. Okay guys I I messed up the punchline. I'm gonna no I I ended with the part that I should have started with It kind of ruined everything. Let me take that one more time. I swear like an open mic It's actually a funny bit if you give it a chance. There's good a to be construction here Fantastic, yeah, and it's like at this point I don't think he thinks that many people are listening and so it's fine to do that right because otherwise if you're listening He's like, why did he do that again? The next time he just says basically the same thing, but he rearranged it. He made it more accusatory. Yeah, that's all

That's all he did is he changed his language to be like They did this right as opposed to this happened and it was them Which is I mean semantically it will make a difference how people hear it, but it never fails to kind of surprise me how How stupid these people are when they boil down A massive Complicated interconnected system that has changed more rapidly than it ever has in the history of the human race And calling it just a you know, they planned it. Mm-hmm. You know, like oh, yeah Yeah, no, that's what their plan was they want to make as they got we switched from a

Manufacturing to a service economy as though that was a thing. They want to destroy families It definitely had nothing to do with fucking automating. It turns out we can get rid of people and all the stuff Yeah, I mean whatever whatever like sort of trends that alex wants to blame on subsidies overseas and stuff like that anything that he wants to talk about like given A little bit more time even if we didn't do that stuff It would be robots, you know, like all of those manufacturing jobs all of the coal jobs that Trump pretends are coming back all that stuff is just going to end up inevitably not even being done by cheap labor right being done by automation, so

I think his point is ultimately stupid. Yes That's what I was getting to Essentially we always wind up breaking down Perfectly what's going on and then we just get to the same conclusion. So basically what he said was dumb He's wasting time and so are we I don't know Like at the end of the day, here's why it's wrong. Take this information use it later on in your life But in the context of our show, right? We nailed it. This guy's dumb And we're just doing this to get to something that happens a little bit later. That's hilarious. I promise you that

Uh, but this next clip is pretty funny because alex is mad about Obama being you know, he's mad about obama being wrong about his Paul riser He's mad at paul riser. No, and he's not mad at me because I was still in missouri at this point I had no idea who I was Uh, but he's he's mad at something that obama says because it's totally wrong. Oh, absolutely. I got bad news alex is totally wrong. Okay We remain a young nation But in the words of scripture

The time has come to set aside childish things Okay, everything there. He just said is a lie. The united states is now older than the roland republic when it can fell Oh, really? The united states is the oldest continually government system in the world. No 234 years old. What? What it's the oldest 1776 hey, 230 plus you know It is the oldest government continually operating government It doesn't mean it's true another lie Then he quotes scripture to manipulate people

Religiously. Oh, there's another point. I wanted to make. I can't imagine anybody doing that. No, I can't imagine you doing that That'd be crazy. So that's that's frankly quoting scripture to manipulate people. That's disrespectful That reminds me of a quote from the scripture. Don't manipulate it says Even the devil can use scripture for his own purposes is from scripture. Oh, yeah Tell me. I don't know my scripture. Oh boy. I'm manipulating the fuck out of you. I'm very confused You don't got nothing. Um, so alex says the united states is older than the roland republic and uh, the republic period Started about 509 bc. Yeah ended at 27 bc with the establishment of the empire, right? So that's longer than the united states. So that's one piece

And then if you go even further than that, let's talk about america really being a republic. When did women get the right to vote? 1910s. Yeah, somewhere in there. When did black people get the right to vote? Do they? Yeah, well, I mean Fair fair a lot. There's trouble, but on paper We've really only been theoretically speaking black people do have the right to vote Yes, we've been like a functioning democracy republic for like 50 years or something like that compared to Uh, whatever and even then spotty. Yes, not not contiguous like Like grover cleveland. There have been very many non-consecutive sections of functioning republic. Absolutely. Yeah, so also, um

San marino according to legend. Yes lore lore. They established themselves as a republic in the year 301 a b And have been a consistent government since for 1700 and 16 years They have existed as a self-governing republic Now granted a lot of people would say that they're a you're part of italy, but I say no, sir san marino No Yeah, but that's bush league It's like I don't count boy I don't count babe ruth's uh home runs as much because he didn't play against black players

San marino san marino was a republic before it was cool Then yeah, that doesn't count. They didn't even have any competition in the republic game at the time Uh, it doesn't count doesn't count. There's also too easy There's also a couple of governments in in europe like england and the netherlands that have much longer standing Republics, but they're not they got again. They got on contiguous. They got interrupted. Yeah. Yeah, but they uh, they got back to it Just good. Um, I don't know I suppose anyway We could just use the rom example or the rom of republic and just be like you're dumb We could use

Why why would you even begin to say that? That is such a stupid thing to say that even if you were stupid seems stupid, right? Uh, I mean, I guess if you really wanted to get into it, you could try and make the argument that there's different periods within the roman republic Uh era, but alex couldn't do that. I don't find that to be charming Just but even then on just a more intuitive level might have been thinking about like greece because like the grecian empire Or the grecian republics were much shorter lived. Yeah, there were multiple of them throughout history That was a city-state period of time too. So it wasn't like a nationalized Right republic of any sort. Mm-hmm. Anyway, yeah

There's all this to say that Um, it is next good. He gets a little bit defensive about uh, that biblical scripture again and uh, Every time I feel like we need to have alex for charity alex I challenge you a little trivia. I challenge you to sit in a dunk tank And every time we dunk on you you get dunked. That would be great. That would be fun. We'll be in austin on It's gonna be hot out. Yep Uh, so you're gonna want to gonna want to wear uh light clothes light clothes But in the words of scription the time has come to set aside childish things

See see oh, I'm for the old but we can't have gridlock anymore separation of powers And it's time to stop being children america. That was old stuff. That was childlike Now we're going forward with the with the new thing. We're adults now. I'm your daddy. I'm government 2.0. I'm president of the world Okay, no Literally every part of this speech is about how he's not president of the world. Yeah every part of this speech is like Hey, guess what america? You've been acting like fucking children this whole goddamn time Sack up and let's work together to do this. See I don't get why you don't see that that means that he's actually saying that He is the president of the world

Why that means what do you think it means? Jabba speak I mean, but even double speak isn't that double speak So suffice it to say that he does an hour Plus of this can't be it can't be if I took all the clips It would be as confusing because he's just saying he's digging too deep into these clips Right and using exegesis to bring out themes that aren't there of course like a first year creative writing student in a workshop Yep And it would just like we're already at a point where we've both been up too long today or retired and we we would get

So bored and so furious so I'm gonna skip the rest of it now Okay, thank you and now we get to something really weird So he does an hour and a half of this and then Speaking of sponsors Uh, we have him on every month or so and it's been about two months since we've had him on and the reason I like this sponsor And by my sponsors I mean people you hear me endorse. That's my sponsors except from the network sponsors Who do you think we got a visit from It's one of his sponsors. It's one of his sponsors. Is it uh, oh, is it postcard lady?

Who's postcard lady the one who sells you the the one sentence that'll get you out of Oh stubblebind's wife stubblebind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not the not the stubblebind controversy dr Rima labo is not in play in 2009 as far as I can tell Also general stubblebind is nowhere to be found Uh, well, he was actually grown in a lab. Um, it didn't pop out until 2014 or 2012 Uh, so it's someone we have met. Okay. Um, and I'm assuming that it's not our it's not our boy Gold guy. Uh, Ted Anderson. No, not Ted Anderson. No, that wouldn't be as exciting not random jeans. Nope, which Way better name than diamond gusset. It's marty shactor of the soap company

I Well, then let me be honest. I also endorse that product It gets you so clean. So so clean Alex moisturizes better than irish spring Let me tell you something about this soap, dan Alex has spent an hour and a half of his show talking about how obama is just lying through his teeth It's all double. Oh, yeah, and then now let's bring in my soap salesman sponsor So they talk about how soap isn't soap and his soap is real soap

Sure, sure. Why not? Why not make the obama's speech analysis also about soap? So then we get into this. This is a really troubling clip We're an american company making american products with all our people are americans And we're very very happy about that and when we got the biggest sign in our warehouse here Alex jones, that's our god over here Hostel work environment Hostel work environment. I would say I'm as troubled by the alex jones his god sign and the We're all americans. Yeah. Yeah

To be fair, I want to be clear because where I cut the clip Alex does say after that don't say that about me. I'm not obama trying to deflect a little bit But he seems like he's nice kind of thrilled minus one points to alex. I didn't know he was getting scored Should be way lower than Well, the bar is lower for him marty schachter. We we grate on a curve here marty schachter the soap Reactor is Negative one for me. No, no, okay. No again low bar for he's coming in Soap american soap american people making american soap white soap white factory

All alex jones white god. We love it. It's so american white that irish spring is offensive to them Fuck is this green shit? So speaking of irish spring If you'll recall the last time marty schachter was on alex. I don't very embarrassingly had to ask him to do a limerick Oh, that's right Oh, my god He does limericks. That's his fucking thing. He's the guy who does limericks the limerick soap guy Who does fucking limericks as a thing and he's Proud of it. Yes. He is not a guy who does limericks as a gimmick. He does limericks. They're not gimmick gimmick. Yeah, they're you there

They're not gimmicks. Yeah No, this guy. He does this like a violinist at a recital this guy Has them in the chamber. This guy clearly insists that alex asked him To do a limerick. Oh, yeah, that's part of the sponsorship. Yeah And I went as soon as he was like I got marty schachter on and he's got some great soap I'm like lemuric lemuric lemuric lemuric please please please I like I cannot have to listen to this racist soap guy without a fucking limerick And lo and behold does not disappoint at the end of their interview. Here comes a limerick, baby

He's a stealer packages. Give us a limerick Marty give me a limerick. I'm ready. He He hated to sew So young ned rang the neighbor rang the bell of his neighbor instead But her husband said why when you stitched his torn fly There was no need to bite off the thread Amazing That is a great beat

Great beat gotta give alex for the perfect length of time to make that as disrespectful as possible One second longer and he's confused one second shorter is kind of disappointing feel sincere that perfect beat is Just enough time to throw the correct amount of shade. I loved it. I think it's not that I think he's confused I think alex is confused because like every single time he asks him for a limerick The last one was fucking sexy or sexy is sexual. Yeah. This one is again about a blow job Like marty schachter's just come on. He's an old man who wants to tell dirty limerick I don't think that counts as a limerick. No listening to that. No, he's off Yeah, I think he screwed it up in the middle or I would say at the beginning or but again at the very moment

He thought I could be the limerick guy This is such a delightful Just a piece of reality that in 2009 again. It bears repeating This is what alex was forced to do in order to get this guy to sponsor his show Yeah, he has to have him come on and you can just hear it in his voice All right, marty Can I get a limerick? All right long pause. Awesome my friend. Amazing. Amazing. Great All right, where can you get your soap? Oh, man, it's good. Oh limerick soap

Can't wait for his next appearance. He's gonna have more limericks I just want to try I don't there's no way I'd be able to like just time it out to find like these these are He didn't make these limericks up. That's a classic limerick. Yeah It's a limerick hat which is hack on hack. Yep. Yep. Oh god. It's so great He's a hackeric This picture of his life back then is somewhat delightful to me on some levels because You know, we talk about some time I don't know if we have in a really long time

But there was a thought of like how alex jones would make a really funny sitcom Like this bigot propagandist yelling in the booth and what have you yeah, that's my bush kind of thing Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I don't think he would in the present day But like that beat those kinds of moments would make for an amazing Absolutely, maybe short film series or something. Oh, I can see a larry sander show. Oh for sure You could just hear after awesome my friend I'm just alex staring at the microphone like what am I doing? Oh, so good. So alex has one more guest on this show And uh, he's gonna he's gonna bring out a giraffe

Apparently, we're doing we're doing late period johnny karson now. You think that's what this guest is gonna do So this guest is a guy by the name of barry cooper. Have you ever heard of barry cooper? He is a former cop Dave barry cooper. No does not make fart jokes for a living nor has he hijacked a plane Oh, I see db cooper. I was I was mixing them both together. It was pretty good. So, uh, barry cooper Is a guy who started and I wanted to say really quick I don't want I'm not going to show you a picture of him jordan. Okay, but everyone google barry cooper You're gonna have a treat

He looks crazy Okay You could do that after the show or right now as i'm explaining him to you So he at the time in 2009 was running a site called never get busted And He definitely shouldn't come anywhere near our show dan. Do you know why you bust it you bust it so I want to say a lot about him and first is I think that probably he was doing some good in 2009

Okay, because one of the things that his website is all about is teaching you how to pass drug tests So like all right, he's teaching you how to like what you should take and like He's like I have tested a lot of these over-the-counter things you can get at head shops I'm like, these are the ones that work These are the ones that'll help you if you want to pass a hair test. You got to bleach your hair That will I will trick the I like it That sort of thing and he's like if you have to take it if it's for weed You should just use fake piss because they're not going to do that much of a test if you're just looking for

Yeah, you know, so he's got he did probably help you have hpv though. Oh boy from the fake piss Like a fake pv So I don't know the rest of the trappings of what he was into But I do agree on some level that Drug tests are bullshit. There's abusive practices that are being used People getting jammed up and stuff. Yeah, and I don't think that there's any reason if you're on probation You want to get high or something like that? I don't feel like that should be like you have to go to prison now Of course, that's fucking stupid and I don't know if he was giving good advice. Let me be clear about that

It's true. I have no idea but Theoretically heart might be in the right place on the assumption that the advice he was giving about drug tests was correct I think he probably helped some people and good on him for that good now That said there is some dr. Oz gonna happen, isn't there since then If you google him you will find something called trip to wellness love it He has started a business where in I thought it was a cruise but okay for five thousand dollars He will fly you to another country and give you ibogaine That's a good business. Yeah, that's a good business

No repeat customers because he is not flying you back. Um, you go, you know, uh, ibogaine and ayahuasca are both, uh You know touted as good ways to uh cure addiction And uh, the science and great hallucinogenics the science on it is iffy to say the least All right, but at the thing at the same time in the united states can't really do full fledged studies on these things So the right the information that is available is pretty limited, right? But what you can find if you really look into it is Everybody who sells these vacation packages with ibogaine in it, uh, Will tell you you will be

Reset to before you were addicted to drugs and stuff like that But people who don't go into treatment after that Have like an 80 relapse rate. So are we once again talking about how there's a support structure that needs to be in place Not just a quick fix, right? But at the same time The studies and the information that is available show that it's markedly higher than just like detoxing. That's good It's it's I'm all for it The indications you can get are like something to the effect of like a 20 to 40 20 to 50 percent success rate when people

Uh go into treatment in terms of like a support group or uh, 12 step program There's something like that after having this treatment whereas before it's usually like 10 or less. Yeah, something like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um At the same time if you don't do any of those things And you just go back to your normal patterns, right your relapse rate is right almost inevitable It's just like weight loss. It's a it's an ongoing process It is not a thing you do in the meantime This guy makes five grand off you. That's when he flies you to uh this Port of iarta and gives you ibogaine on uh, like on the other hand

You're still flown to port of iarta and you're doing ibogaine like winner winner lose at the end Yeah, winner lose at the end of the day. You still did that. That's not too bad nice vacation and some fucked up dreams Yeah, that's not bad. It also occurs to there are worse scams Yeah, it occurs to me that there's low overhead on this operation Right because it says our treatments vacations start at $4,950 start So it's probably options could be higher than now. That's a deal But to keep our prices lower than all treatment centers

We offer phone calls only to those who are ready to book their trip. Okay, so that means to me They don't have a staff. No, that means No, no, no, no No, nobody's nobody's taking cold calls. No, no, certainly not. This isn't this isn't a Time-share sales group here where you got somebody hard selling you the whole time if you got questions Send us an email. Hey, you want to fly to port of iarta and do some drugs? Yes call us. No leave us the fuck alone If you have questions Don't and again the the the biggest piece of it

And I think it is it bears repeating is like I think this guy's a con man Just based on the fact that he's you know I think a lot of these people who run businesses like that this are not totally above board for sure I think that there's a lot of Connery involved, but at the same time I think probably there is good intentions behind it because There are indications that this is a better way to treat addiction and and and like I said scam wise

Way less damaging than a lot of other scams Well, I don't know because I think that if you go in with the unrealistic expectation that I'm going to go trip on abagain I keep pronouncing it differently. There's some reason just comes out of my mouth weird But I'm going to go trip on this stuff and then I'm going to come back cured and then you're not I think that could lead to a feeling of I'm trapped in addiction for the rest of my life Even this extreme $5,000 vacation couldn't help me out. Right. I'm going to just be an addict for life. Whereas I don't know. I don't know what his whole process is And I don't know if like it's uh, when you get off the plane

He shoots a blow dart in your neck, right and then you go from there Well, I mean, so the first three days they give you drugs because they don't want you to have withdrawals So they give you with uh drugs and right and you whatever whatever your game is, right? Yeah, and so that which is a very above board business and then they yeah, we'll supply you with a Yeah Um, so then the rest of the time you just do whatever for the first three days On the fourth day you get the ibogaine Uh, you get like a the tester dose and if you're not allergic to it

You get the full dose and then you trip your balls off for 12 to 18 hours You freak out and then you go to bed Then on day five, here's what it says on the itinerary. Okay. This is why I think that maybe there isn't Indications from them that's like when you get home you need to enter na or whatever Day five all of your systems will be reset to pre-addictive state and you'll have no cravings or withdrawals Alex will check on you throughout the day not alex jones. Uh, uh, Because you naturally want to rest in bed day six same same as day five

Day seven you'll revisit the holistic spa to receive chelation treatment Day eight you are free to vacation and enjoy your new life day nine You are free to vacation and enjoy your new life. This is not a great itinerary. No No, I like I like bullet points if you've ever been to a business conference conference, man You got to have bullet points. So then on day 11 through i want one power point presentation at least in this whole thing So on day 11 through 15 you get personalized life coaching with uh, this berry love it. Um And you know, I don't know if that like hey Hey, you know those drugs bad stop them. Yeah get out of here. All right. You're a good kid

Again, a lot of this would probably be funnier if you knew what he looked like Because he looks crazy But also like I don't know. I'm so torn. I'm really really really torn Like natalie and brulia. Uh, yeah I mean you are In theory putting someone up for 15 days But I do think that it mentions here that you have to pay for your own food during that time Yeah meals are five to seven dollars each

That's look it does not include flight hotel or food. All right. So there we go flights There it is. Oh, that's a problem. That's where it gets crazy And it definitely definitely definitely starting at 49 50 for that. Yeah Yeah, I think if it included airfare good on you. Yeah, but it doesn't no there's a lot a lot of Clearing of money here at the end of the day. You're an addict. Yes And you're addicted to trying to find solutions to your addiction and you are spending uh, probably 12 to 14 grand by the time you're uh, you're out of here out of there. Yeah. Yeah

And they didn't even have a functioning Airbnb that back then I think they rely on the idea that addicts make bad decisions That's a good point. So I don't want addicts with 14 grand definitely make bad decisions But I don't want to like beat this up too much because on some levels Like if you do, you know, you look at the relapse rate of people who are treated in like conventional ways And you look at like the difference between eight and like let's say 20 25 percent is big And people are dying, you know, yeah Ibogaine has been shown to be pretty effective and helpful with opiates in particular and that's what's killing the most people

Absolutely So I'm open-minded about like these ideas of alternative treatments and I hope more studying is done about it, but I don't I don't know if this is helping. That's what I'm saying. I don't know And he's on alex jones' show. So that means to me. I'm inclined to be a con man. Yeah Yeah, I don't think that you run into his orbit unless you're a con man Yeah, also I don't like this perspective on drugs So when they get up on the news is they were trying to help the children And we're trying to fight drugs they consciously know it's just a big business and they're just mercenary pirates talking about cops

I'm not sure it depends on what level they're at the the guys in top government know that The lower guys in the task force like I was somehow I really believed I was saving a kid From getting this marijuana on a playground somewhere because I had been told that but through several years of investigation I'm like, you know, I've never caught one person on a playground trying to sell our kids drugs And to come to think about it. I don't know if any kids that have died of an overdose in my community I think you're just a bad cop If he's only talking about weed fine Yeah

And yet I don't think a lot of neighborhoods do have someone selling drugs at a park a lot of them fucking do right You're just not there right you They are in a different community But at the same time the way he ends that he's like, I I don't know I haven't seen Any people overdosing in my community as if to suggest people aren't And that is really really fucked up Because people are people are overdosing. You can look at the stats. They're very clearly available There's thousands of people every year various substances cocaine benzos. Yeah opiates people are dying

every day Because of misdosing drugs. I had a friend in high school who OD'd uh on heroin like I do I know people kids who died of overdoses It's not something that's made up to demonize and like let cops get away with being bad guys, right? I don't like that. That's really bad Which makes me think even more that this new thing is a scam right right because if that's his perspective on it then I don't I don't know. I don't know this guy threw me for a big loop. Yeah Yeah, you're you're clearly out of sorts here. I much prefer talking about the soap guy

You wish there was more uh more digging into this that you could do. This is so nebulous. We no, no, no No, I wish I wish that he didn't seem like um new policy want goal If we get 14 grand We will go do this program. I would go in a fucking hard. No shit Uh, but don't give us that money. Don't give us that money get three days of free heroin. Come on man No, because you can only get the drugs that you already do I'd have to get uh, well, we'd start doing heroin a couple of days beforehand to get myself a nice heroin habit Yeah

No, this is not in the cards So the other problem is that like uh in the middle of their interview That's when alex talks about smoking cocaine in a joint. Uh, and uh, and this guy's like, yeah Yeah, of course as if to indicate that he doesn't know that that's ridiculous Then alex talks about uh, like his assaults when he was a kid the assaults that he committed And he talks about them very differently, but it's just not It's not fun. What these guys it's not as hyper masculine back then what these guys are doing is the same thing that Uh local news did with like, uh, are your kids playing the blowjob game where they were

They wear different levels of makeup and you know Like you guys are making this bullshit up because you don't understand And you're you're just making up tears. Yeah, it's bullshit. I All right, here's the deal I been I know what Happens in this last clip. Uh, and that's kind of shading a lot of my like My feelings about this guy. Okay, and the reason that I'm so conflicted is that like

Like I said, I'm into this. Yeah, and I think people need help and if that's To give them help great, but I don't like con business anyway, he This next clip is so crazy. This is insane. I don't know. I I don't know how to set this up This is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard a guest say on alex's show. That's crazy They're talking about the idea of like chastity and abstinence education That makes sense for them to have jumped onto that topic, but get this it's so fucking weird. This is another mic down clip Listen to this. This is

insane And while my parents worked like slaves to pay taxes They weren't good parents and and most the people I've met had dysfunctional homes And we keep talking about bringing bringing the family back bringing the family back Well, we're in error and we're off track when we concentrate on teaching our kids laws and legalisms Don't drink don't cuss don't smoke don't have sex don't have drugs None of that stuff is working that celibacy class That alex that you were talking about getting the ring had they spent six weeks

Teaching what jealousy looks like. Okay. You girls over here You're acting jealous when you do this because jealousy is crueler than the grave and man It is rampant in our nation. I run into that every time you don't put the children in the public schools If you can't because it's so mean it's horrible. I know so we could teach our kids have a class on jealousy And and teach them look if you have a mate or somebody you're attracted to And they're showing this red flag of jealousy And and they won't quit. That's a red flag. Don't be involved with that partner because I was married to a lady That was very jealous

I just want to drive around this town I love I love it when it turns into like Now what we should be doing is teaching kids how not to behave like my fucking bitch ex-wife I hated that lady and I'll tell you I know why she was the wrong person I know what she was doing wrong. Absolutely. Definitely don't need to take any responsibility on my hand. No Oh, no, no, no, no. It's all these girls are jealous That don't dare No, dare to not be jealous dad. That clip gives you whiplash

Because you're starting down a road where you're like, yeah, this chance to be in don't smoke. Don't drink education isn't effective It's not working. Yeah. Yeah. What we need to do is Each girl's not to be jealous specifically specifically for six weeks Did you know that it takes exactly six weeks to get girls not to be jealous dad? That's just that's just been scientifically Guys could be jealous. There's that's a huge problem. No, no, no, so we can't do it We specifically teach these girls the girls which is confusing

If you're sitting there, you're like, huh That's a weird idea. And then he up his own accord brings up his ex-wife Who was too jealous and you're like Ah, there it is. There it is. He's not the kind of guy I want Administering ayahuasca for me. I'll tell you that right now I don't want this guy to life coach me for three days That's crazy I'm just sitting there listening to this shit and I'm like

How do you not know what you're saying? Look just just because I cheated on my wife a few times, right? She's what it really was that she was too jealous. I made amends What you're gonna be jealous about everything now. Uh, I'll give you six weeks of training in this fist right here You think for somebody who like His whole thing even at this point in 2009 because he's running that don't get busted Yeah stuff and his idea for that was based on doing hallucinogens because he was like a cop Right and he would he even says on on alex's show and I didn't play this part because I don't really necessarily believe it

But he's talking about how he would like plant evidence on people and set them up and it's it sounds like it's from a movie I don't really I would also argue that he probably didn't but I'm sure he saw it Yeah, it's possible. Yeah, it's possible But I don't care to parse that or whatever But his story is that he did hallucinogens and started smoking weed and realized a better way Right and for that kind of a person To come out of that transformation And still be like girls need to be less jealous right my ex-wife is a bitch. Yep. That means it nailed it

It means it didn't take hallucinogens. That means to me your hippie dippy Enlightenment moment is false and all it is is you weren't cutting it as a cop and maybe And I probably did some drugs on the job I'm not saying you should be setting people up But I'm saying you didn't want to do that and you wanted a better story and this is the story you like I'm guessing he got he got let go for cause. I mean, it's possible. I don't for cause my friend again I don't care to parse it and I don't know how I would figure that out. Yeah, but anyway, this guy What a this fucking guy. Yeah, that brings us to the end of our show. I just love the specificity. Sure

I look you take a six week course in whatever you want pottery. Fuck that jealousy. I'm gonna teach you how to not be jealous You know one of those basic human emotions that is very very difficult to control I can fix it in six weeks and one of the human behaviors that I really I do think this It's one of the behaviors that's most caused by someone else's behavior. You know what I mean? Like I do think that some people are Pathologically jealous. There are some people out there in the world both men and women, right? But I I think a lot of it can be triggered by someone not being responsive to a person's needs Shit like that. Yeah, I think but at the end of the day, how much how much insecurity

How much of your own insecurity is the real cause of your your jealousy? What I mean, I don't care. I don't care to get into that and I don't care to get into what I just said What I was trying to say I think default minus one point for that What I think I was trying to say is the number of people who would be in any way Helped by a six week class on jealousy. Oh, yeah is minuscule six week boot camp. It's a very small amount of people But anything is better than abstinence only education. So whatever. Yeah, sure. All right, sure fine Let's implement your sexist bullshit. Yeah, no kidding

What now what you should be doing is teaching a six week course about how your women should be staying at home I mean, you're not far off from that. It's exactly what that is. Yeah, it's six week class on how to be gaslit. Yeah How to not trust your own perceptions because that's what most people are going to get out of a class The problem with the handmaiden's tale is that it's actually an aspirational story. That's what you should want to be like Mm-hmm So we've learned that alex has done cocaine right twice Soap limericks soap limericks, uh, doesn't give obama a chance Just fucking is another dugs. What other drugs has he done twice? I know he's done math twice. He said done math twice

That's right. Uh, he does weed every year. Right. Well, that's yeah, you gotta you gotta figure out where you're at Um, I don't know. He's I think he says he's drunk twice Yeah, that's right. Hey, he's a lot of chili. Oh so much chili so much chili. So that brings us to the end of the show Uh, our website. Yes, that's knowledge fight.com. It's true. You can go there or fill your hand.com. Exactly The best thing that's ever happened in my life. Also. We are on twitter What's our handle at knowledge underscore fight? Where else are we on uh, uh, Are we on facebook? We are we're also mining your data. I assume right? Nope. We don't do that Barely paying attention. We're bad at it. We're bad at it

Leave us in charge of most of criminal enterprises and we'll be like I don't think we should be doing this. I'm too busy. I got to listen to project Come on You doing stealing people's data. Don't be an asshole. Yeah Um, we also have a group on facebook called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant Uh, yeah, go to itunes download. Yeah sport the show centra. Thank you. Thank you to everybody who sports the show Means a lot. Yeah So beyond that, I don't know you want to flip a coin?

Uh, no, I'm going to give it to you. I think I'm about to pass out. Yeah You know what? We only have three real people here. Alex Jones. And again, I feel like it's sort of our standard To not it's a hacker rick. I find soap limerick man delightful Although he does seem to be like a white nationalist. Yeah, yeah, which is a little troubling. Yeah, uh, but he's too delightful I've got to say berry cooper. Please go fuck yourself Andy and chanzas you're on the air. Thanks for holding So alexa my first name color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you