Knowledge Fight - #160: January 22-25, 2009

Episode Date: May 14, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened between January 22nd and 25th, 2009 on the Alex Jones Show. There's some truly absurd stuff here, including appearances from Joe Rogan and a legit rap legend. Plus, the gents learn a little more about Bob Chapman, the man who saw Ronald Reagan get pegged.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. Welcome back to the pilot co-pilot chair. Thank you. Sure. I'm thrilled to have you.

Cthulhu was very unenthusiastic as a co-host. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Surprising. Yeah, absolutely. Those elder ones don't really engage with our puny mortal issues. No, this is this petty bullshit, says Cthulhu. Absolutely.

But this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. I don't know anything about Alex Jones. I forgot that what I should have, we're so out of practice here. We have a couple days off. We take a few days off and it's like, wait, what do we do again? I forgot that the introduction is this is a podcast where we sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones. I know. I know.

And then I usually do an annoying extended bit that no one wants to hear. Absurdly long. Never anybody is like, oh, that was great. No one's ever thrilled. Uh-uh. But I'm thrilled about today's show. Great transition. Thank you.

Cthulhu did not appreciate these transitions. Unfortunate. Today I got an awesome time frame for us to go over. We're going to be talking about the January 22nd to 25th, 2009 chunk in Alex Jones' broadcasting career. All right. And man, there's some stuff that's going to blow your mind. There's some stuff that blew my mind. There's some stuff that should never have happened.

Okay. I want to say this really quick. What you're about to witness, what you're about to hear is evidence that 2009 may have been the zenith of Alex Jones' mainstream relevance. And it plays out in some ways that I don't think any of us could have ever predicted. And I think it's, Heath still thinks he's there, I think in 2018. It's, I'm dancing around this a little bit. It'll all make sense. Okay.

I promise. I was going to say, is this, are we finding the moment whenever Kylo Ren murders Harrison Ford? To cement his transition to the dark side? Is that what we're talking about here? No, no, no. This is a salad days kind of thing. This is, looking back at this is like the Halcyon days of Alex Jones being relevant, like to a certain extent. Relevant?

I feel like he's more relevant now and less accurate or even, all right, Dan, you are gesticulating wildly at me. This is why I shouldn't have said anything and just let this happen. Yeah, but I want people, I want people to get excited for some of this weird shit and then something really profoundly fucked up that we're going to talk about at the end of this episode. All right, some slime shit, some, some, some young thuggery, so to speak. This is some, it's, it's messed up, but what's not messed up is our new donors. Hey! I'd like to give a shout out to a couple of new policy wonks out there. What's going on?

Oh, this gentleman used to donate to the show and his back donated for the show. What? Super thrilled to have him back. I'm not sure if I should even bring that up and call him a prodigal son. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what your point is. He sent me a very nice email and I appreciated very much. Okay.

And we're thrilled that you are once again a policy wanderer. So thank you very much out there, Phil. I'm a policy wonk. Means a lot. Thank you so much. Thank you very much, Phil. It's, it's, I was waiting for Dan to have a very defensive, like, yeah, that's right. You are going to donate to our show.

No. God damn it. That's how good we are. No. No, no, no, no, no. No, you didn't read the email. I saw it in your heart. Not at all.

I didn't have people listening and it's so much icing on top that anyone supports the show. Absolutely. We appreciate it. Also, our other new policy wonk out there. What's going on? Justin, I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much.

Hey, Justin. Welcome. We appreciate it. And this is a new level of, we have to create a new level of policy wonk. We now have, for now, we have a policy wonk, foreign policy wonk, globalist, technocrat. I don't understand why we have any of these levels. I'm shocked that anybody donates to us at all.

It's insane. Yeah. But on our next level, on our next episode, we have a brand new level that we're going to be revealing and I'm not going to. This is turning into some Dragon Ball Z type shit. Like every time we get somebody, all of a sudden there's Super Saiyan level three. Sure.

What's going on here? Well, we're sort of flying by the seat of our pants. That's true. But certain circumstances come up in life that necessitate it. And one of those circumstances happened this week. It came to our attention. Thank you to policy wonk Brian posted in our Facebook group. Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant that someone was selling a

bunch of old info wars magazines. Oh, that's right. You told me about this. And listener, current technocrat already, Keegan, went through, bought them and got them sent to my house. Ridiculous. So I have an entire collection of info wars magazine. Holy shit, info wars magazine, 2013, 2013.

There's a year democracy does. There's some interesting things to learn in there about their positions on Sandy Hook. Oh, no, they wrote them down in the real world. Oh, that's a bad idea. I've gotten, I've gotten through reading one of them entirely. And I want to, first of all, I mean, so much, so many thank yous to Keegan. That's amazing.

Yeah. No, it's incredible. And it is the beginning of our library that we're going to be creating about Alex Jones, which is the nonch memorial library of bullshit. All right. As named by Keegan. Very excited about that. But I got to say, I got to say, it's terrible writing, but Obama is

also building that one in Chicago too. Absolutely crazy. He's, he's really on top of it. It's terrible writing, but man, the graphic design work is on point. Oh, yeah. I don't know who's doing this graphic design, but it's slick, man. It looks good. Okay.

I'm going to post some pictures of it, but like, there's some like, oh, wow. It's, so it's the guys who do sky mall. Is it the same one? It's so, so miles above. Okay. All right. All right. All right, dad.

Let's see if I can find this one that really just blew my mind. Great puns. There's one right here and I'll post a picture of it on our website. Look at this shit. Oh my God. There are dinosaurs with fucking MSNBC and CNN and new media is a meteor and there's a volcano going off. Damn it.

I mean, this is great. This is, this is great graphic design work. Yeah. No, that's pretty good. It's eye-grabbing. Anyway, we appreciate it so much. Thank you, Keegan. And thank you all and everybody out there and it's even more interesting.

Debuting the new level that Keegan has achieved. Yes. And we would be doing that right now, but I forgot to make the sound. There that'll happen. So that'll happen. Let's just be perfectly honest about it. It looks like the cover that you specifically chose has an eerie resemblance to our poster where in the volcanoes in the background and I could definitely see you tackling Alex Jones

into the volcano. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Anyway. Yes. Speaking of Alex Jones. That was the worst.

That was the worst transition. That's market. What, what's the date? Shit. May 13th at 446 PM. Time of death. Transitions died. But my love of talking about bullshit has not.

There we go. Transitions back on point. That's right back back to fire by Fred. So we start on January 22nd, 2004. And it's really interesting that if you look at the history of the Tea Party, it's one of the things that's going to be very a big piece of what we're looking at as we go forward from 2009. If you look at it, it all grew basically out of some of the Koch foundations like Freedom

Works and Americans for Prosperity. Right. They funded a bunch of the shit like Glenn Beck. They basically bolstered him to, to relevance by buying up all of his books. So they'd be best sellers. Right. Right for ads on his show when he couldn't get sponsors and things like that. So good.

So I love it. I love whenever a small amount of billionaires control all the finances. So now the thing that's interesting about that and everything is that citizens, I'm sorry, Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works are two think tanks that were run. Yes. And they split out of a group that was founded by David Koch and Charles Koch and Koch Industries in 1984 called Citizens for a Sound Economy. Man, these guys.

Now, you know who the first chairperson of Citizens for a Sound Economy was when they founded it in 1984? I mean, fucking at this point, Oliver North. Ron Paul. Okay. Interesting connections. That sounds right. Interesting connections going around.

And so at this point in 2009, January 22nd is two days before a gentleman by the name of Trevor Leach, who is the chairman of the Young Americans for Liberty, which was a group. He aptly named if he is a young American and a young conservative. Oh, yeah. He is a leech on the fucking planet. He's a chairman of the Young Americans for Liberty, which is a group that sprung out of Ron Paul's failed presidential campaign from the last election. Right.

So he organized what he was calling a tea party to protest the obesity taxes that the governor of New York had put in place, you know, in terms of like, can't buy large sodas and shit like that. I fucking hate this kid already. Right. So that was on January 24th. And many people view it as sort of the kickoff of what would end up becoming these series. And a lot of it is probably copycat, but a lot of it is also interconnected to Coke.

Yeah. Coke think tanks. No, every, every metaphor we should use to describe these people is akin to the serial killer or a kidnapper. Well, what they use in that Jane Meyers book, I'm not sure if she coined it, but that book Dark Money, they talk about it as the, the Coke to Puss. The Coke to Puss. The, uh, the Cokes with their tentacles going out in all directions.

And I didn't, uh, didn't Tai Yubi have a, have a similar octopus based metaphor for Goldman sex. Look, there, it's a great metaphor. It's a good metaphor. Everyone knows visually what an octopus is. Right. Right. The way that the word octopus works, you can put in a lot of different things.

00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:52,300 Let's see. Here's what I'm saying. All right. We got octopus. You could say bar octopus. No, no. You could.

I'm just saying verbally. We, okay. But if we're going to stick in the same family, why not go with a cocoa fish? You know, you got, it's, it's a perfect and camouflaging itself amongst all of these other white nationalist bullshit. I'm going to, I'm going to stick with cocoa fish. Uh, citizens for a sound economy. Doesn't work.

Economist squid. Yeah. So anyway, the reason that I give a lot of this, um, sort of preamble is because the way something happened, the way Alex starts out the show on January 22nd makes me think he's not aware of a lot of those forces that are at play. Okay. The funding that led to the coke party or that coke party. Well, that's what it is.

Yeah. The tea party, all that stuff is already in the works and it's getting ready to bubble over because of the, uh, the, uh, the formal, um, the protests that went like larger nationwide were in February and, uh, in the months after that when, uh, Fox news started covering it and all that shit, but it's Fox news, but at this point it is, it is like, uh, it's a little bit under the surface, even to someone like Alex, right, whose best friends with Ron Paul and is the leader of the Liberty movement ostensibly, right?

But it's important because listen to this clip. It just, it shows a lack of awareness of forces at play. I was up here at midnight last night and, uh, saw a clip on Yahoo news. I think we sent it to the webmasters. They're posting it on info wars.com and prison planet.com. We'll play it later. We have time of Glenn Beck of all people with Ron Paul yesterday saying world governments taking over through the banks.

Both parties are controlled. This is a world government. And then he read a founding father quote about banks being more dangerous than standing armies that would overthrow America. It was like Alex Jones had suddenly possessed Glenn Beck on Fox news and then Ron Paul came in and agreed. So I don't even know what that means. I guess the establishment thinks Fox news is so discredited with the public that

a Fox news comes out and talks like Alex Jones that, uh, somehow it, so I, so in a way this is starting to come out, but no one is talking or discussing the fact that they are about to public Lee. I mean, the mainstream news is admitting they're doing it, but then our own movement that's been right all along cannot come to grips with the fact that it's actually happening now. It's racist. It's here in the next two, three weeks.

It's here, ladies and gentlemen. Racistly. So in the next two to three weeks, he's saying that they're going to collapse everything. Yeah. So that prediction didn't come true. No, it did. They were right the whole time.

Didn't, didn't they were on the forefront. You've always been right. If Fox news, even he knows it. If Fox news is talking like they've been totally discredited. Yeah. Even he is aware of that. He's like, Jesus, if these fucking assholes are saying the shit, I'm saying nobody can believe them.

They know there's no stakes. Yeah. Yeah. So, but also like what he doesn't seem to realize is that like his rhetoric is being co-opted for a specific reason. And that is because they don't want him involved, but they want what he stands for to be a piece of this artificial astroturfed movement. Yeah.

So it's tough because this is another moment where you can almost sense that he feels left behind. Like he sees his buddy Ron Paul going on Glenn Beck's show and saying the things that he and Glenn Ron Paul like to talk about. Right. And it's like, what are you cheating on me with that fucking mainstream shill? This is the best.

This is the best move that Fox news has made in not allowing Alex Jones anywhere near their network, because once again, as we have proven and as we will, I am certain prove once again or prove again through, through probably this episode, every episode, Alex Jones is the weakest link. Yeah. He gives up the game. Yeah. So again, Glenn Beck as awful and stupid and moronic as Glenn Beck was,

he never gave up the game. Oh yeah. He did. He didn't give it up. No, but I mean in a controlled way. You know so little about Glenn Beck. Fair enough. I don't know much about Glenn Beck.

I know everything about Glenn Beck. Fuck off. We're not doing that. We're not spinning this show off. How dare you? No, we're not. I don't. How dare you?

I'm not nearly as interested in Glenn Beck. This isn't so much of it comes from like his Mormonism and stuff like that. Yeah. And his shock jock past really invalidates all of his theatricality and fake crying and stuff like that. I don't believe anything, but he's not as interesting as Alex because at least like there is. I think there's an argument someone could make and I wouldn't hit him that

like Alex really believes the things he's saying. What did you just say that you wouldn't hit them? Yeah. I mean like if someone told me if someone came up to me and told me that Glenn Beck really believes the things he's saying, I would hit him. Oh yeah. No, that's right. That makes sense.

That makes sense. How dare you? Don't come to me with that. Yeah. But if someone said that about Alex, I'd be open to a conversation about it because he's insane. That's true. There's there's so much craft to Glenn Beck's career.

In terms of like he was a fake low rent Howard Stern. Yeah. Doing like prank calls on the on a morning show and was yes. That was the beginning of his career. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And then he and they just grabbed these guys and put them on Fox News and then they're he just repackaged himself into someone who is about the

whole time ways and folksiness. He weaved a little bit of Garrison Keeler, a little bit of like Pat Robertson, a little bit of Rush Limbaugh. And there you go. You got Glenn Beck. It's an artificial creation. It's very easy to see through. Yeah.

Alex Jones is much more confused. I just remember him talking about 912 and I was like, you should die. We're going to talk so much about 912. He should fucking die. Not today. Immediately. 912. The moment you say, remember how we felt on 912.

I want to murder you. 912 is not going to come today, but based on the fact that we're covering tea parties. See now that's something that would make me want to hit somebody is that they came up to me and they were like, Hey, you know what? I don't like your attitude right now. Think about how you were on 912. I would hit them and say, get that shit out of your mouth. You want to know a really fun, a fun little piece of information.

What's that 912, the nine principles and 12. No, not nine statements and 12 principles or whatever. Wait, what? There was it was also an acronym or some sort of bullshit like that. Beck put out a publication like about the 9 affirmations and 12 principles or something like that of like what our movement stands for. And people bought that shit up hook line and sing. All right.

Burn down America again. No, no, no, I don't want them again bolstered by Coke money. I don't even want, I don't even want us anymore. Get rid of America entirely. So the 912, we don't deserve this planet. The principles and guiding guidelines or whatever. Again, I can't remember. It's like attributes, the 12 attributes or something like that.

It's nonsense, but already, already infuriated. Most of it is completely cribbed from a book by W. Cleon Scousen that from our man Scous. No, that's his uncle, Joel Scousen, who's on Jones's show. His uncle is W. Cleon Scousen, who was a member of the John Birch Society and is mostly responsible from everything I've been able to tell for a lot of active misrepresentations of people as communists.

Great, great, great, great. We're going to go, we're going to go much more in depth on that in a future episode. I have a couple of like book episodes we're going to do, but I'm preparing those right now. So no need to do that, but it's interesting to see this lineage of one of Alex Jones' buddies, his uncle, a book that he wrote is responsible for Glenn Beck's 912 to become more lies. Exactly.

It's all wrapped up in there, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all connected. So here's another clip, I guess, about the Cokes being behind the Tea Party and Ron Paul. Okay. And I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that, that Glenn Beck, remember Glenn Beck was saying

Ron Paul supporters are dangerous. The army needs to be used against them. They're, they're, they're domestic enemies. This is a misrepresentation of things that Glenn Beck has said, but he has said things pretty similar. Okay. And it is an indication that he's changed fairly recently. Yeah.

For some reason. That in Horizon. Odd. See, back when Ron Paul could have actually won and was, and was exploding like a grass fire, the establishment, shot him down, attacking. What, like, now the establishment thinks it's too late that they're getting what they want. They're already bringing us into the depression.

They don't care. Now some US media is being forced to report the truth because they would lose their whole audience if they didn't. And their CEOs and people like, hey, it doesn't matter the truth. So anyways, go ahead and report it. The people can't stop us now. That's, uh, that's absurd. That is an absurd explanation for what's happening.

Not least of which, because I don't think any media company has ever accounted for like, Oh, well, if we don't tell the truth, we're going to lose a lot of listeners or viewers that no, I don't think, I don't think anybody needs to worry about that. No. All right. So, uh, here on the, uh, the 22nd, uh, you know what, you know, you know, one of my favorite things, some of my favorite.

Yeah. I was going to say, um, one of them is Alex Jones's commercials that he had back then. Oh, love them. Uh, and so he's, uh, into never not going to love me some random pants. Uh, we don't have a diamond gusset commercial, but in 2009, we get it. Uh, in this January 22nd episode, we get a new sponsor that I've never heard of before and it's a scam to help you get better memory.

The school of phenomenal memory gives you the training and tools you need to memorize any type of information quickly and efficiently. Just as you need to exercise to get your body into shape, you need to exercise mentally to improve your memory. The school of phenomenal memory will act as your personal trainer, guiding you through a series of 60 lessons. Once completed, you will be able to memorize any type of information, including entire books guaranteed.

Our course is not based on classic monomic techniques or other tricks that you simply can't apply in real life. Now, let me ask you, why do you think I don't trust that commercial? Uh, well, school of phenomenal memory already seems a little bit overselling. Well, here's the thing overselling it a little bit guys. Yeah. Oh, also, uh, the misspelled mnemonic or mispronounced mnemonic. That's what they were trying to say.

Yeah. He said, monomic in there. Oh, man. Oh, man, copy that made it to air. He mispronounced mnemonic. Oh, silent m baby. Did you forget that? Maybe you need to take the 60 courses again.

Monomic. Monomony. Yep. That's crazy. 60 lessons, 60 lessons, and then you will be able to memorize entire books. Entire books. I feel like nobody has ever been able to do that with just 60 lessons. I don't know, but I think that's a pretty absurd.

Not even, uh, not even Mr. 10,000 hours would come up with some pop psychology bullshit. Quite like that. No, it'd be tough. Um, so on this show, uh, Alex Jones brings in our old buddy, the guy who saw Reagan get butt fucked himself. Hell yeah. Bob Chapman comes back.

Bobby Chaps and I've started to, uh, I've started to really enjoy Bob Chapman for his, uh, nasally old man voice. Right. And, uh, he's very much unlike Tracy Chapman. It's completely, um, uh, absurd fear mongering on this episode. Alex seems to have a specific point in bringing him on a use for him that I think you'll be able to figure out exactly what's up as this Lufa. Yeah.

Unless you understand the game and prepare for it and it's still not too late with Bob Chapman at the international forecaster.com joining us. Finally, the largest newsletter in the world until he retired for a few years came back, formerly the biggest golden silver broker individually in the world. I want to bring to Anderson up the owner of the Genesis network in the golden silver business for 30 years. Currently trying to suppress the price of gold, but it's way up again this week. Ted bought it when it was a lot lower.

It can pass on those savings and he's got a quick offer for you today on gold and silver coins. Uh, but before we go to Ted here for a moment, uh, Bob Chapman, how important is it now before the true hyperinflation sets in, uh, to get into gold and silver? I, I, there is no explanation other than the fact that you must do it. If you want to be able to stay out of financial harm's way. So come with me if you want to live exactly, exactly.

So I also enjoy, I also enjoy a beginning clip where, where we get an old fashioned Alex Jones arguing with song lyrics. I love it. Yeah. It's like, no, no, this song is incorrect. Ah, ha, ha, ha. This song is incorrect. If you buy gold users are indeed not straight out of Compton.

No, you just got off a flight. I know. Um, so I mean, you can see the game real pretty clearly right there that he's having Bob on to talk about like how the economy is going to collapse. Cause that's what Bob talks about all the time. There is no other reason to buy gold. I mean, unless you want to survive the coming apocalypse, if you don't want to die by gold, there's a pause there where he's like,

uh, no, there really isn't a reason, but, uh, what do I got? What do I got? And so he's on there and he, he's setting the table more or less for Ted Anderson to come in and give his sales pitch right after this clip. Ted comes on and talks about his British sovereigns and, uh, Hey, you know the only British sovereign I want? Lady sovereign. Shut up.

Shut up. I did shut up. Why are you even more angry at me for not saying anything? Anytime I take a shot. Anytime I fucking go for it. You just look at me weird or give me a good look. That was not looking at you weird. It was a little weird.

That was not, that was just, I raised an eyebrow at you, sir. That is not a weird look. That is not a weird look. It was an incredulous, it was simply a response. Fair enough. So that's interesting. And that's a fun game that they get to play. Try and move some of Ted's gold.

It's a little bit like, uh, like, uh, timeshare sales pitch. Like they bring somebody in to tell you like, Oh man, I have a timeshare right now. It is incredible. And I'll tell you something. I don't even know why human beings don't all have timeshares. Have you ever had a timeshare? Now you've got to get one closer and here's Ted Anderson and

he's going to tell you about the cost. Yep. Absolutely. Bob Chapman and Alex are the people you come in and have your like, you have a little meal that they give you a free sandwich and you're having a great time. And then, uh, then you get Ted Anderson with a hard sell. Oh yeah.

You want a margarita before we get the hard sell going? Sure. Absolutely. That's, I mean, you can see that game playing out there. It's fascinating. Like it's, I don't know what else to say about it, but like, if you're a solid two man con game, but if three man, but if they're all in on it, yeah, that's true.

But if you're listening to that and you don't understand what they're doing, like I feel very sad for you poor girl, but the reality is that there's a lot of like old people who the same people who are victims of like QVC who don't understand what's going on and they're the ones that got ripped off by Ted Anderson. Right. Anyway, or, or your, uh, your prosperity gospel is built entirely upon the backs of dumb old people.

Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So, um, on this, the 22nd, we're again, two days into Barack Obama's inauguration, right? He is two days into his presidency given a great chance and man, oh man, the stars are out. Uh-huh.

Alex Jones on the 22nd, uh, Joe Rogan is in town. So Joe Rogan comes into studio going to drop by. We get to, we get to hear a little bit of what Joe Rogan is like on Alex Jones is our, is our, is our buddy Eddie Bravo. Eddie Bravo is still in the dojo training being sweet and dumb. I don't know if Eddie Bravo was a like a media figure in 2009. Like I'm sure I bet. I don't know their history, but I bet him and Joe were friends.

Yeah. I bet they knew each other in 2009, right? But I don't, I don't, I don't know if anyone cared about how stupid he was again, or how charming he was a delightful. He's stupid. He was, but Joe Rogan is in town. He's in Austin. And so he comes into info war studios and through it, we kind of

realize that Alex and Rogan have exactly one story together that makes their friendship. Ladies and gentlemen, we're live. We're about to go to break here in a moment. Joe Rogan, my good buddy, visiting here in Austin is busy beating up the microphone right now. We're going to talk about a lot of stuff the next hour and 10 minutes. Joe, good to have you here.

Good to be here. Thanks buddy. What's going on? Oh, I like how we just shook hands, even though we've already shook hands and hugged and we've got to shake hands for you guys. Exactly important. Are you saying it's bad? We're not saying it's bad.

It's keeping real. Joe Jones. I'm about to show power one day closer victory. You know, Joe just can't believe I've actually really liked this. This is what I'm really I know. I believe you like this. I've known you for a long time now, man. You know, I was thinking we met in 99.

So this is actually 10 years. You remember when, when, when I did my DVD that I filmed in Austin, the belly of the beast. You know, I wore George W. Bush max and Herbert Walker bush mask. We did a little satanic dance to show that we're satanic. It's going by as we went running around the, uh, the, uh, the grounds of the state Capitol building.

People thought we were nuts because we were. That's the only story they really have. That's the story they have. They bring it up like twice on this episode and, uh, they brought it up on when he was on Rogan's podcast, they bring it up every time. It's like, so they wore X presidents masked and did not rob any banks. Yeah. They know that.

I mean, you can find the video of it. It's on YouTube. It's just them, it's just them running around in masks and then smoking weed in a bathroom. Um, it's nonsense. All right. That's, that's some, that's some shenanigans. Yeah.

I mean, it's charming on the scale of Alex Jones things. That's true. You know, that's true. It would be like if you and I were friends for 10 years and the only story that we had was that time that we did shows in the burbs and had a great time together. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Like if that was it, Oh man, do you remember every time that we got on air together? It was just that came up. I mean, it would be like, Oh, you're trying to really reinforce that you're friends when you're not. That's the thing. Well, it's kind of, it's kind of like one of those, uh, you think we're friends.

I know we're not really friends, but you're so nice. There's a, you're so nice to me. There's a slight imbalance and it's interesting that it's even there in 2009. Joe Rogan's got that news radio money, baby. He's doing UFC at this point. Oh, okay. He's, he's, he's loaded and he, I mean, he was an at, he was a in-demand

standup. He was no at 99. Absolutely. So it's interesting you brought up news radio, uh, because we talked about it at, uh, at great detail and the time we went and did shows on the suburbs, how much we love you. That's actually true. Yeah.

Uh, news radio is a great show and, uh, Rogan talks a little bit about being on it and then something happens. And it's because of that, you know, I, I got to really appreciate like the craft of creating like a good television show. So it makes it hard to do another one afterwards. That's why in a sense that fear factor was a good thing to do because it was way better to do that than a crappy sitcom. It's like, let's just do this goofy game show, you know,

demons. It never happens. Unless you have a big guest in studio, we have multiple backup lines. Our connection to the satellite just cut out, but we have backups to satellite. You have backups to satellite. So the connection cut out and you think that it's the government is doing this?

No, no, it only happens if I have Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura in studio. It only happens if Charlie Sheen's on. We probably have one of his guests every night and only happens when a big guest is on generally. Well, I'm far less threatening than any of those gentlemen. We have four backups to the satellite. So we're fine. Don't worry about me.

I'm a comedian. Joe's kind of making fun of Alex. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a little bit. Oh, yeah. A little. So you think the government did it?

All right. Well, then he's like New World Order. I'm not as scary as them. You need not worry about it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you even heard it in the last clip. He was sort of making like, we're one day closer to victory. Like doing an impression of Alex to him.

But, you know, Rogan's not totally not into some of the things that Alex is into. Oh, no, of course. In this next clip, he describes how passionate he is about Ron Paul. I want to play part of this clip in a minute. She can hear it. But first off, your view of Ron Paul. Well, I think he's the only guy that's saying, listen, we need a radical

restructuring of our government. Yeah, absolutely. Correct. And he is what? Oh, I'll say one version. By all stretches of the imagination. I mean, that guy's a real, I mean, there's no way you can say by any stretch of the imagination that he's not a conservative.

I mean, he's a real conservative, a fiscal conservative, a social conservative. But he wants people to be able to do whatever they want. He believes in states rights. He believes that the federal government is completely out of control. That it's too big. He believes that, you know, we have to get rid of the IRS. It's a flawed institution. He believes we have to get rid of the Federal Reserve.

He believes all these things that totally make sense. And when he says these things on TV, they laugh and they make it like it's a joke. Like even though we know that the system is completely. It's just completely unfixable. I mean, if you look at the way it is now, just it's a honeycomb of corruption and just a bureaucratic BS and red tape. Sure.

What were you responding to? I can't even, now I can't even remember. What, what, what? I don't know. Oh, man, just, uh, shit. What, what the fuck is he talking about? I don't know. I mean, I think that.

Oh, no, no, no, whatever. He's like, uh, everybody knows it's a good idea to get rid of the IRS and to get rid of the Fed. Everybody knows this. Everybody doesn't know that. No, no, excuse me, excuse me, sir. No, it's easy to get seduced into Ron Paul's line of thinking because he is very sensible about foreign entanglements and stuff like that and drug

policy. And so if you're someone like, oh, and even like private prisons, he's against, uh, so like those sorts of things. If you're someone like Joe Rogan, who smokes weed all the time and, uh, is generally inclined towards pacifism and rich. Yeah. Usually you're far more susceptible to the abolish the, uh, Fed and the IRS kind of nonsense, but like the idea.

So Ron Paul's, one of his biggest, like, uh, rallying cries that goes around is audit the Fed, audit the federal reserve. Sure. And this is, this is sort of a misconception that he's playing on people's unawareness of what actually goes on. Yeah. Um, because you can go to the federal reserves website and audit them. Does the federal reserve ever get audited?

Yes. Full stop period. The next question. What else? You got back the board of governors, the 12 federal reserve banks and the federal reserve system as a whole are all subject to several levels of audit and review. One, the government accountability office conducts numerous reviews of

federal reserve activities every year. Two, the board's financial statements and its compliance with laws and regulations affecting those statements are audited annually by an outside auditor retained by the independent office of inspector general. The results of this independent audit are released to the Congress and the public. The board's three, the board's office of inspector general conducts independent audits of evaluations and criminal investigations related to the programs

and operations of the board, as well as those board functions delegated to the reserve banks. Sounds fake. Four, the financial statements of the reserve banks are also audited annually by an independent outside auditor. Don't believe it. Fifth, each week the federal reserve publishes its balance sheet and charts of recent balance sheet trends.

It also provides an interactive guide to the Fed's balance sheet. The balance sheet is included in the federal reserve's H-4-1 statistic release, quote, factors affecting reserve balances of depository institutions and conditioned statement of the federal reserve banks. Nobody can do it within a week. That's clearly fake. Well, no, they're all lies. No, that part is just about their balance.

Yeah, exactly. Nobody could figure out what their balance sheets are every week. They got a whole fucking making it up. They got a whole fucking team doing it. Making it up. So like I got a team making it up. I don't, I don't quite understand where the line is drawn between the like rallying cry to audit the Fed and the reality of what is done.

You know, like what is not being done that they want done. Oh, all of it. But okay, great. I don't understand. That's the answer. What do you, what do you think the answer is going to be? The answer is you bring that stuff and they'll be like, yeah, but and that's all of it.

No matter what, what do you think isn't being audited? Oh, all of it. No matter what, it's, it's unsatisfying. Yeah. Um, so and, and we get that same thing, that same bullshit from Rogan that drives me insane about these fucking stupid assholes is always like, oh, well, it's a, it's a honeycomb. It's a complicated system.

And it's like, yeah, cause it's a fucking insanely complicated, complicated system. No matter how many rules and shit you write into there, there's always going to be an angle. There's always going to be a loophole and it's going to be based on like a one word where like with the, there's always going to be con men into this. And guess what? You're on one of their shows.

Yeah, exactly. Or like with the consumer financial protection bureau. Yeah. Like, uh, the guy who is in there now probably shouldn't be because according to the law, it is the, uh, outgoing, uh, director who can, uh, uh, appoint his follower in the interim or whatever it is, right? But this is based, the reason that there's a challenge is that it's based on a law that was written that kind of says that that supersedes what

the president may appoint, but it's like, it's the difference between like, um, should or could like in the entire law, the entire argument is based on, well, maybe they meant to say this, but what they actually said was could like, that's it. Like there's no way you can write perfect bullshit on there. That's why it becomes so complicated. That's why lawyers are well paid. Yeah.

That's sort of semantic breakdown shit. Um, so one of the other reasons to be sort of frustrated with Joe is that as we've, as we saw in the eight, what was it? Beginning of 2017 when Alex was on Rogan's podcast. Uh, one of the chief complaints that I had was that, uh, Rogan would say something sort of maybe challenging or like a question for Alex, Alex would lie to him and then Joe would be like, Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's right. And that's almost the entire interview. Yeah. It's that repeatedly. And then also Joe talking about, uh, working for the UFC, uh, talk, you know, like a, like a collegial interview, uh, of Rogan's career, which

we have no need to listen to. Uh, but here is, uh, here's Alex saying that Obama is going to be worse than Hitler and Joe saying, huh? Amber. I mean, you know, I don't just make things up. I've got just reams of evidence. You do. Obama is probably going to end up being like Adolf Hitler.

I mean, I'm saying, I'm saying, if you think Bush was bad, prepare yourself. Really? You really think this can, I mean, but I know it seems, I know it. And then it's just accepted as sort of like, huh? But he gave him a chance. Yeah. Yeah. He gave him a day.

And now you know, he's got reams of evidence. Well, the spoiler, uh, is that behind the scenes right now in January 2009, Alex is editing and producing his Obama deception documentary. He's already on it. Yes. Wow. Yeah. That's a quick turnaround time on the 20 South Park episode level later on.

I don't think it's on the episodes that we're covering. He gives the release date of it. And it's like, yeah, it's like, he's rushing this to print. Okay. Basically. And it's, it's like, you, you understand that painting Obama in a really negative dictatorial light only serves your interest in selling this documentary that you're creating.

Yeah. It kind of gives a sense of like, oh, that's why, that's why you're doing this so fast. Okay. That's why you didn't give him a chance. You need to get this documentary money. I'm guessing they definitely wouldn't have, uh, although I would have almost like to live in an alternate history where we get the, uh, McCain, Palin deception.

Oh yeah. That would be fun. I bet it wouldn't have happened. I bet it wouldn't have happened. I can't think of any reason why Dan. If 9-11 hadn't happened, I doubt that he ever would have made a 9-12. Well, certainly not. We wouldn't have even made it that far.

But I bet that Alex wouldn't have made any documentaries that were harshly critical of Bush. I mean, you might have, we can't rewrite history like that. We have no idea what could or would have happened. So then who cares? We're going to have to develop an interdimensional travel machine or perhaps contact some of our friends in Vacaville. Exactly.

Call, uh, call Mark. Um, so despite Alex saying that Obama's going to be worse than Hitler, Joe thinks maybe he'll be okay. Who knows what his motivation is. I mean, his motivation may be pure. I mean, his motivation may very well be that he's trying to fix the predicament that we're in or he may be a new world order. She'll, ladies and gentlemen, I have him on video calling for a new world order.

Oh, what's he saying? He said, we all want a new world order. Is that what he said? Yeah. Well, do you think that people, when they say a new world order, do they mean like a new order to the world? Or do they mean like new world order as in like Darth Vader? Well, well, well, his advisors have written books about what they mean.

And what did they say? Like Rahm Emanuel said, National Forest Service, everyone will have to serve. And they say the new world order means a world government. One world government run by the private banks. What a good idea. He's fucking with you, Alex. A little bit, but at the same time, he's not pushing back. It's like, what books?

He should have said, what books? What are you talking about? A citation of when they say new world order means a global government run by the banks as opposed to the good question that he did ask. Is it possible they just mean a new way that the world would be ordered ordering the world in a new fashion, right? Because the old way sucks, especially considering the fact that just mere moments ago, he was screaming to get rid of all

of the institutions, which would be a new world, creating a new world order. Well, it would be a really old world order. That's true. That's true. Because that's all they really. That's a very different rallying cry. Old world order.

You know, it's interesting. This might be premature for me to bring this up, but like I've been reading Carol Quigley's book, The Tragedy and Hope, because so much of this is based on misrepresentations of that. Even Carol Quigley has come out and been like, that's not what I was writing about. That's not what I was saying. Hey guys.

Hey, guys, come on now. One of the things that's so, so much a focus of people like the Austrian School of Economics and the Mies Institute, which are big parts of Alex Jones' philosophical underpinnings are a desire to get back to the gold standard. Right. And their desire to go back to pre-1914 economics, which is when the Federal Reserve System was gone.

And I remember how great it was. It was a wonderful. All of the history books, the history books. It was wonderful. Yeah. But what's interesting is that in Carol Quigley's book, if you look at it, he does talk about how there's a network of bankers and stuff that we're trying to manipulate things after World

War One. Yeah. But what? Cause that just makes good financial sense. But what Alex never takes into account and never really discusses is that their goal was to bring back the gold standard. So there's this. Don't add these competing thoughts in my head, Dan.

No, because there's this weird thing that these globalists, these proto-globalists. Yes. That Alex is, is taking as being like the people that Carol Quigley wrote about, they were the beginning of the networks of interconnected killing us all. They have the exact same goals as the Mies Institute. Well, yeah, but that's cause we all know they were correct.

Right. I don't know what to think about that, but anyway. Um, look, everyone's full of shit. You can want to do evil even in the service of a good idea. Okay. See, Dan? So these globalists, they're co-opting the get back to the gold standard argument in order to further cement their power.

They're trying to reclaim it. So as we know, as we know, if that were to succeed, if we were to go to the gold standard, then they would be able to cement their power. So of course we need to the go to the gold standard in order to keep them from doing that, Dan. It's too obvious. Thanks so much. It's too good of a strategic move.

Genius. Yes. So yes. I remember, uh, in, uh, in sunsues, the art of war, uh, do whatever your enemy does. Right. Just do it. And then blame them and then tell them all of the same thing.

You guys are the worst. So, um, boo them. Boo your enemy. Uh, after Rogan leaves, uh, Alex has another guest and we don't have any clips of him, but it's worth bringing up. Uh, he has Austin police chief Art Acevedo on. Okay. He has him on every now and again back then.

And it's really fucking interesting because Art Acevedo doesn't impression of Alex to his face also. Okay. All right. But also there's sort of a sense of like, why are you here? A kind of thing. Yeah. Uh, and yeah, why is he there?

Because he believes in outreach and he believes in community connections and stuff like that. Oh, so he makes it a priority to go around. Like I've looked into him and like as much as you can ever like a cop. I kind of like a lot of the stuff that he seems to be about. Seems like a good dude. It seems like it. I don't know.

And again, I haven't looked into him enough to give him a rubber stamp. Right. But I was reading this long article about it. He's now the mayor or not the mayor. He's now the police chief of Houston. Okay. He came over in like 2016 from Austin to Houston to work on that department. That's a pretty solid step up for him.

And during Hurricane Harvey, he was fucking out there with his people like trying to save elderly people from buildings. He like, he had this whole thing where he didn't trust the electronic and automated gauges that would tell him where there was danger. So he had all of his people out monitoring particularly vulnerable sites for flooding where there were old people and disabled people there that would need help. He was just proactively trying to make sure that the damage would be as low as

possible. And that's one of the major reasons that cited for why the death count wasn't higher is because of his like really active, really engaged approach. All right. So he did some heroic ass shit. Well, yeah, I would say so. Yeah. And it falls in line with the philosophy that he espouses for policing with on

Alex's show and in interviews that I've read with him since that is like you're going to make much better work if you get out there murder people. Well, also, well, there's that. Yeah. And he also has a very strong position of keeping his officers accountable. Yeah. For their actions. Yeah.

Trying to make body cameras automatically turn on as opposed to, oh, you got to turn it on yourself. Right. Right. 00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:27,300 And get around shit. Could never could never imagine getting around that. So far as far as a cop goes, I think he's pretty cool.

Seems pretty on the level. Yeah. All right. All right. I buy it upon further review. Right. And so the two of them have a fine again, just jovial conversation with each other and budget time Alex keeps trying to bring up that lady who got arrested for

spelling a bloody Mary on an airplane and ours. Our days of it is like, I don't know that story. I mean, you have to send it to me. It was just that over and over again. It's like, I can't comment on that. I have no idea what you're talking about. What do you mean? You can't comment on something you don't know anything about.

So what do you think I'm doing to be unprofessional? Anyway, we move on now to January 23rd. Yes. And it's just this in the 25th because 24th is a Saturday. There's no show. Okay. On the 23rd, we get who my voice went weird. On the 23rd.

On the 23rd. We get a little glimpse into what Alex Jones's finances look like back in 2009. And so we're going to be attempting to expand what we're doing here. So, so I want to be clear. We're not in trouble. It's just that we want to do more. And frankly, we get more financial support. I won't, I'll be able to spend my time focusing on issues and fighting the globalist and

awakening people rather than worrying about, well, can I get a microphone? Can I get a camera? Can I get this server we need? I mean, we need servers right now. And that's one reason prison planet forum was down. I mean, we need more support. So at this point, Alex Jones had to legitimately be concerned about buying a microphone. Yeah.

And like, I mean, I don't like that. I want to get back to that. I don't know what the, like what sort of mics he's using, but like a, like a good mic couldn't be more than like $1,000. So the idea that he has to be concerned about $1,000, it gives you a sense of the operation that he's running at this point. Now, I mean, at the same time, it's important to be thrifty. Sure.

It's important to get your highest quality for your lowest dollar. That makes sense. 10 hyzers were like 95 bucks or something like that. Sure. They've served me well for five years. Probably get solid results out of something that isn't necessarily the top of the line. Absolutely.

I mean, he could, he could very easily be talking about, I don't have 500 bucks. Yeah. So that's a glimpse. That's a snapshot of January 23rd, 2009. That's where Alex's finances are at. Or he's trying to sucker people into giving money. I'm not entirely sure it could be one of the two. I'm inclined to believe it's the prior though.

Well, he did, he did a preface it with we're not in trouble, which in Alex Jones parlance never means you're in trouble. No, I think it may. I think I took that as sincere. Like cause he's asking for money. If he's wanting money, we are in trouble is the way to get it. Right. Then you make the situation much more dire.

You make it like we need your support. We're in trouble. Him saying we're not in trouble means like, yeah, we could use your money, but you know, I'm not going to fucking be manipulative about it. Even though I am being manipulative with my gold shit. Okay. So Jordan, I mysteriously told you at the top of the show that this is the pinnacle of Alex Jones's relevance, relevance, mainstream relevance.

Well, and I, you know, we had that interview with, uh, with Joe Rogan, yes, celebrity Joe Rogan, big celebrity. Yes. I know I didn't say that. I couldn't tell. I was looking down. So you also had, you also have, uh, an interview with legitimately the police chief of Austin.

Yes. So there's cultural relevance or community relevance. Right. He's there and the chief is giving him the time of day to come into studio for like an hour. That's pretty, that's pretty legit stuff. Yeah. But then on the 23rd, something happened that I never expected to happen.

Angelina Jolie. Chris KRS one Parker Parker original form the group with DJ Scott LaRocke who was trying to break up a street fight and help spark Keras is one's ambitious anti violence crusade, which he's traveling around the country right now speaking to the youth. But it was a B D P's productions blend of hip hop with reggae dance and rock influences that set the group apart from other message oriented rappers as well as KSR ones dexterous, uh, verbosity and blunt beat since growing up

porn. How's KSR one house? So real is it to hear him read that bio? He is reading it very uncomfortably. KSR one KSR B D P. Oh man. Holy shit. God KRS one is on the show.

Why? I don't know. Is he going to do a couple of tracks? No, he's not, but it does turn out that KRS one is very much afraid of the new world order and the Illuminati. Yeah, but he should be. Yeah, I guess. I don't know.

Look, if anybody should be afraid of the new world order in any form should be KRS one. So what? I mean, like, man, I don't, I don't know what, I don't know what to think about this other than like, if on the next episode, like J.Roo, the damage just shows up. I'm going to be like, right? What the fuck could happen?

What happened? Yeah. Oh, KRS one. I know at the same time. I, you know what I want? I, I want Master P been on. He made Alex say, uh, you know what? I bet Master P would go on, but I bet Alex wouldn't have him.

That's what I would guess. That's not fair. No. How about Kane? You want to go with big daddy Kane? You think? Oh, I thought you meant the pro wrestler. No, we've already, yeah, we already know he's on there.

Um, it's just super weird to me. And I would really love to talk to KRS one now and ask him, what do you think's like, do we want to go back on it for us? I think that was a good idea. And not to be, we're part of the new world, but not to be a dick about it, but like, you know, it is another, uh, when I say his mainstream relevance, the toxicity of what he puts out isn't so overt yet at this point, right?

That someone who is a smart, uh, insightful person like KRS one could come on Alex's show and find common ground with some of the things of like, yeah, I don't like, uh, you know, I don't like violence and stuff like that. So they talk controversial take. They talk a bit about violence and, and, and what have you. Uh, I disagree with, uh, the way they look at the new world order and stuff like that.

But I understand that that's also a widespread belief that people have. So it's not like he's in KRS one is insane to think that. Right. I don't, it's just, it's very, I'm, I'm struggling. This is a little bit similar to like if killer Mike went on today. Yeah. You know, like that could, that couldn't happen.

I actually kind of could see killer Mike doing that. I, I couldn't see that. You don't think so? No. I could see killer Mike. It's too public the shit that Alex stands for now. There's no way that, that someone who has a career would like lead, even if they are leaning that way, like killer Mike did

do that interview with NRA TV. I don't have you the people got all mad about. Yeah. I, but I still don't think that I just, I think you would get too much flack because you would go on and then all of your fans would end up posting all the times he said really fucked up stuff about black people and shit like that. Right.

And then you'd be like, oh shit. Yeah. That's not good. Right. Or LP would pull him aside and be like, Hey, here's all this fucked up shit. He said about black people don't go on his show. Right.

And even if it is just a, like we see eye to eye on guns, it would be no way. Well, they don't see eye to eye on guns because killer Mike would like black people to be armed. Alex says he would. Yeah. I don't think he does though. Oh, like, like most gun control reforms in America, it's going to

be once black people start getting guns, all of a sudden everybody's going to be four guns. Well, control. I mean, did you, did you read this story the other day? I was going to retweet it, but I don't, I don't like to retweet the, uh, the, the, the taste to do sure about info wars. But during the story about Rick M. Belogan, who was a gentleman who got arrested because of, uh, uh, he was labeled a black

identity extremist. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,300 And they've been secretly surveilling him and predicting his movements using Palantir and the like. Uh-huh.

And if you read the article here on the Guardian, it says quote, investigators began monitoring Belogan whose legal name is Christopher Daniels. After he participated in an Austin, Texas rally in March 2015 protesting against law enforcement, special agent Aaron Niley said in court. The FBI Niley said learned of the protest from a video on info wars, a far right site run by commentator Alex Jones

known for spreading false news and conspiracy theories. Wait, the reference to info wars in court stunned Belogan quote, they're using a conspiracy theorist video to justify their tyranny. That is a big insult. They referenced info wars in court. That's not good. You're, you're, you're lawsuit or charges or indictment should

be tossed immediately. And the reason that, uh, that you're, you saying a black person with a gun sparked my thought of this is because there's a picture in this, uh, in this article of him with a gun standing there with a handgun. Yeah. And I see that picture and I don't really like, I'm not, I'm not terrified of it, but that would scare the shit out of Alex.

So anyway, um, it's really fucked up. It's, it's, it's, these are the sorts of things that you got to really, you got to understand these are the real world effects, what Alex puts out there. Co Intel pro was a great program and I'm glad they brought it back. So, um, here comes, uh, Alex, uh, he reads another like a minute and a half of KRS ones bio, but we don't need to read it.

All he does is stammer over hip hop stuff. Right. Right. He is five. He's, he's just confused by all of these things. I love grandmaster flash. Uh, and so here's his introduction where he reassures his audience that this is the good to hip hop.

What exactly? Okay. All right. To the bottom of the hour, KRS one is our guest. He's on a Texas tour coming up in the wall. He's in North Texas going to be speaking to a group of high schoolers about how horrible the shoot them up culture is that we have not just with black youth, but Hispanic whites.

It's happening in rural areas, uh, and, uh, he really speaks out against all the gangster rap, uh, you know, go out and kill each other, go out, deal drugs, all of that. And he has really turned millions of people away from that, but, but he's a pioneering hip hopper. So millions and millions of records, uh, in August of 1987, uh, his partner, LaRocque was murdered. And that's what got him going on to stop the violence movement.

Uh, that went nationwide in 1989. And again, so this is the good hip hop. This is the stuff that's really uplifting. Right. And he just does an amazing job. He's also involved with 9 11 truth and anti war. And we're just really, uh, really excited to have KRS one on the show with us.

It's a great to have you, sir. Hello. How are you? How surreal is that? That's the sound of the Saudis. How surreal is that? Just to hear his voice after I don't know how to deal with any of this.

Um, so here, Alex, uh, they're talking about like cultural violence and care is one's making the argument that like, you know, it's a piece of us. It's a piece of our history. Just biologically, we seem to have violence, but we can rise above it and what have you. Uh, then Alex, can we Alex brings out one of his favorite old chestnuts.

Well, the Pentagon has done studies in the 40s, 50s, right through to today that within four days of no food or water, most people start stealing within 10 to 15, 90 plus percent of people start murdering for food. So that's just. Why you just added to my, my lexicon of truth here. Uh, wow, really four days. Absolutely.

Absolutely. They're, oh man, KRS, there is a reason that you are immediately incredulous. Go with that instinct. Yeah. So stick with it. It's, it's interesting. Why does everybody just believe that bullshit when he says it?

It's the exact same thing that Rogan, uh, does. You know, it's that. Oh shit. Is that true? You didn't even bother asking that part. You just, you just believed him. These fuckers need to seriously learn a lesson from telemarketers where it's like two rebuttals, two rebuttals before you hang up

the phone. It's like, uh, site those papers. Yeah. The studies. Yeah. Cause I, I'll tell you this, I spent a lot, quite a while trying to find these studies. I can't find these studies.

I'm shocker. I also searched info wars.com for all sorts of word combinations, pentagon study, uh, murder, kill, uh, societal breakdown, 15 days. Uh-huh. All of it. I searched for everything. There's no article on info wars where he backs up and gives citations for this, but.

Yeah, but it's just historically true as you can go back and see through every major disaster. 90% of the human race has eventually eaten other people. I'd like to read to you here from an article in slate, uh, titled what really happens after societal collapse, doggy dog or lions and lambs lying together. It's an article from 2017 and it cites this quote in a 1961 paper that was unpublished until 1996 sociologist Charles fritz laid

out the case for his contrary perspective that disasters and other majorly stressful events don't necessarily result in societal breakdown and trauma fritz who had begun observation of disasters while stationed in Berlin during the blitz can't trust the crowds or Britain during the blitz during the blitz can't trust the brits reported that during the time he saw quote a nation of gloriously happy people enjoying life to the fullest exhibiting a sense of gait and love of life that was truly remarkable with

Britain's reaching beyond class distinctions sharing supplies and talking to people who they had never spoken with before marshaling sociological and historical evidence fritz recounts example after example of people pulling together in the midst of tragedy black and white police militia members uniting to maintain order during the yellow fever epidemic in Memphis in 1878 enemies for getting old quarrels during the German bombing of Krakow in World War two community members reporting

strengthen personal relationships with neighbors after the white county Arkansas tornado of 1952 right it just goes on and on and on the examples are so numerous of when the shit is going on when it hits the fan when all the chips are down people are social creatures and we don't we don't eat each other when those things happen unless it goes way past that it's it's the it's the independence day theory of a global it's coming together fucking stupid zombie movie mentality

being presented I mean I mean what what's going on there is the the idea that so many people have that might be true is that the only way for the entire globe to unite as if we have any a a extraterrestrial force to fight against like the only way human beings will unite is in the face of some larger attack now you're talking watchman exact while I'm talking independence say my friend okay yeah I mean I think a lot of people the some about Bill Pullman and to be fair I think

that that's kind of fairly compatible with that that study yeah but the reality the reality that you find is in a vast majority of circumstances one supplies are low people help each other yeah and in disasters people come together so this he's just lying to care Jeff global Jeff Goldblum will emerge to save us that's just and trade. I can't forget about Quaid I can't think of Quaid without what is it is it.

So they they have this interview and it's it's a little bit more of that with Alex lying to one to care someone just believing him it's sad but what makes me profoundly sad is how this interview ends. Now folks can Google Chaos R1 in Austin Texas they will find it KRS1 thank you so much for joining us and I can't wait to have you in studio tomorrow. Sir there's no say Alex HIPHOP stands with you straight

out they say that we stand with you we don't know when it's time to get on the front line you're going to look to your right and your left and I hope I'm right there with you. I hope you're not warriors the we are changers the 9-11 truth there's the lovers of liberty everywhere stay with you my friend and I'll call you this afternoon and give you the address and I look forward to seeing you tomorrow. What a bummer what a bummer.

HIPHOP stands with Alex Jones. I feel like I feel like I don't think KRS1 speaks for HIPHOP as as delightful and wonderful his music is. I don't think he has all of HIPHOP behind him. You know who in HIPHOP stands with Alex Jones ever. KRS1 this appearance I don't know if he's been on more times than this will find out. Professor Griff.

Yes yeah he seems to like Alex Jones quite a bit immortal technique. Those are the people those are the rappers that I could think of who have had any affiliation with Alex and that doesn't stand for mainstream HIPHOP. No I don't think the soul querians would have been into it at this time I think they would have they would have probably been a hard pass on this one.

You know who's the king of the soul querians though. Questlove Bob Chapman Bob Chapman he comes back on January 23rd why is he on two days in a row that's very weird. The economy is coming down and KRS1 is doing it. You think it's happening faster than I mean then you previously it's thought degrading slowly for two or three years. I know you people can read the nuances of that international

forecaster but for those that are listening right now if you're if you're revising your forecast. I mean project that for us. Well two weeks ago in the forecaster at the beginning of the forecast to where I always put something where I want to catch people's attention. I said this is it you go all in on gold and silver because they're going to take off which I've never said before never

so go all in on gold and silver all in so not surprisingly that the only way to protect assets that you've earned even paid taxes on to the to the damn bankers excuse me folks that slipped out I apologize even with those people. I mean I mean all you can do is get gold and silver and I want to understand briefly here because Ted is still offering gold at the offer he did yesterday that was last week's prices that was 30 something bucks but you're going to buy

it for and then today it's up 30 something more and so your those were great deals yesterday. These deal deals are insane Ted offering yesterday's deal today is that a good deal Bob Chapman. Jesus Christ this is so over we're going to have to put a counter on the we're going to have to put a counter on this one for one hour we're going to be selling these prices for what they were yesterday we can't just let this go the whole

time this is a limited time offer two days in a row Alex has Bob Chapman on to talk doom and gloom about the economy say you need to get in gold and silver and then immediately transition to Bob Ted Ted Ted Ted Anderson Chapman Ted Chapman coming in to do his sales pitch on gold and silver see this is what makes me think that the we're not in trouble is not necessarily a reality if they're pushing this hard it's tough to say I don't know day to day I don't know I don't

know also if you did this forecast two weeks ago why would today be any different than yesterday did he just get some sort of brand new forecast in the call for the intervening Ted gave him a forecast yeah you might be right they might be in trouble it's it's difficult to tell I think that Alex and maybe it's just because he had a little bit more decorum back then and doesn't want to show ass maybe that's why he said we're not in trouble because he doesn't want to look like

that's that's kind of what I was thinking you know he because it modern day he's given up the pretense of not being desperate Oh not even bothering but maybe back then there was enough of like and you know what if we if we don't make a ton of money but we just survive that's okay maybe there was that feeling but now he's I need a lot of money yeah it's I don't know it's it's tough for me to tell but I will say that Alex has another guest on this show that it's no KRS one it's actually

cool her it's not this guy we have a somebody many people say invented hip hop so I don't know if he's one of the good ones or the bad ones he was he was pretty good or bad hip hop I suspect this guy does not stand with hip hop I'm not entirely sure but here here's Alex's next guest let's go to Steve shank had him on in a few weeks and to give us a report on what's going on worldwide you know my biggest reason Steve all along has not been food shortages or things like that

caused by drought or any problems my problem and reasonable focus verbal foods is the depression situation to buy bulk food before they inflate the currency or the depression sets in and I've really been excited to hear these as you're running on the network course for the what is it the three day responder because for twenty one bucks a multi-day but we give us the specifics of only heard the ad twice what exactly is this new offer so it's just like a half hour with his survival

food sponsor he's much like the soap guy but he doesn't say any limerick so I'm not gonna listen to I can listen to him on the come on they just talk about how like it's going down you're gonna need food and luckily I sell it and Alex gets a cut it's just so fucking overt three day responder yeah that's three days worth of food that he sells he sells these bins that have three days worth of food I don't know okay but what if you run out after three days well see that's what you

keep you should buy more than three days worth of food we also sell like twenty one day bins and stuff like that but the three day one is just for like minor tragedies okay okay like maybe all right like a tornado or something like yeah yeah or like a let's say that terrible storm that snowstorm that hit New York last year a couple years ago you know three day responder would have been great would have been perfect for that yeah but they also do all this fucking shit

on this show about like it's better than food I don't know why everybody isn't eating it all the time it's cheaper than groceries and people just yeah people could just get this and eat it like you're giving a hard sell here I mean is this is it that much different from blue apron like at the end of the day is it that much different it's blue apron plus fear and so it's a little worse if blue apron was trying to scare you into buying it then that would be bad and also blue apron

doesn't ever learn to cook okay let us do it for you okay there is a little fear there yeah yeah see there you go but also blue apron stuff is perishable like you can't keep it in your shelf forever that's the survival food is like years worth see that's why it's better than blue apron totally yeah so that everybody knows that military rations are the only thing to eat yeah absolute so on this show also I don't have any of this and I might do a special episode by myself

about this because I think it merits covering but we have a limited time you have a show tonight I couldn't make this a three hour episode but there's a couple calls that Alex gets where they call him out on stuff and it's really interesting how he responds because he he's arguing with this one guy because this guy calls in he talks about how that subsection 51 barbie blah blah blah right right the guy calls in he's like you know the subsection you're talking

about the next one after it says you need consent informed consent from everybody that we bring up a bunch yeah yeah and Alex is like I don't have it in front of me maybe they changed it I don't know like that and then he goes to commercial and he's like no I'm gonna talk to this guy over commercial where I go to the live feed or whatever so on the radio there is a commercial playing but on the Info Wars stream they're still talking they're still talking and he sort of

equivocates with the guy a little bit and again he bring he don't remember exactly what it is but the guy brings up something he's like you you exaggerated about this this was completely wrong he's like yeah that one I was wrong about he admits he's wrong but it's not but it's not on the radio exactly god damn it yeah so it wasn't about that subsection that he admits he's right it's something else that he admits he's wrong about but then after he admits he's wrong you know

that you know things change I was wrong about that and I admit it sorry I gotta let you go gotta get back to the show get wrecked yeah yeah intro music launches right back into his says the same bullshit yeah it's surreal but at the same time I don't think proves anything so that's why I can I can leave it off the actual episode because there's far more important things like KRS one being on the show right like Joe Rogan and this theme that's developing of of almost

a vaudeville good money grabbing yeah this this this game that they're playing in order to sell gold so we get to the 25th the Sunday show and Alex like I said one of the big reasons that we're doing this 2009 thing is that we see shocking differences in Alex Jones philosophically from 2009 if we go to the board we can see that he's anti police yes we can see that he cares one is pro net neutrality he is also KRS one he is explicitly pro Palestinian not KRS one he

doesn't talk about Soros the bad guys are the Rockefellers and the Rothschild right so these are some massive differences in that days Alex Jones at present day Alex Jones and here comes another one Hillary Clinton just signed a new deal Friday with the leader of Israel the prime minister of Israel to in the next year either have Iran buckle to giving up their peaceful nuclear program or to be physically attacked so on the war front Obama is actually expanding

things that's why the neocons of Pat Roberts and others are coming out endorsing him Alex new in 2009 that Iran's program of nuclear ship is peaceful he he's the exact opposite now he says that they were trying to make nukes the entire time like in the modern day with trying to make rationalizations for why Trump is cool to get out of the Iran deal and what have you not not least of which what he's essentially talking about is Trump's position now which is you're either going

to give those up or we're going to a military option yes whereas Obama's position was how about we settle this economically and we make an arrangement like adults we make an arrangement where in we give you your money back yeah which we're so gracious you can get your money and then also you will agree to all sorts of testing and oversight that we didn't have access to before and the Iran deal did have very specific pieces of like if someone is not in compliance with

the deal these are the steps that can be taken yeah so even if they thought because there wasn't thought that maybe they'll try and cheat because some countries cheat on stuff so when the deal was made there was an expectation countries like the United States yeah apparently but there was an expectation that that was a possibility and so there were pieces of the deal that dealt with that so now getting rid of the deal is the fucking stupidest thing in the world

now genius we can't get the money back we're not going to be able to like we're not going to be able to enforce the sanctions that were in place pre Iran deal got a because why would why who would go along with it everybody the UN is not going to go along with it city on a hill Dan our fucking allies aren't going to go along with it city on a hill or allies who are still a part of the deal aren't going to go along with it like France yeah we don't have UK anymore

everybody everybody knows that America is chaos where is where we're like a drunken ex-husband you know divorce dad that's that's the way the world treats us now just pray I just pray that they go for a regime change and yeah carpet bombing yeah exactly yeah I don't pray for that man I we still have to but we still have to deal with this guy because we need the alimony money but God this is the worst human being in the world but more but more to the point it's really really

fucked up that Alex that's his position in 2009 it's counter hey I don't know how to 100% I don't know every everything that they say they don't care about because all they're doing is playing a team sports right like that's that's all that's going on right now none of these people believe anything if Obama did what Trump is doing now they'd say he's the worst president ever if Trump does anything that Obama does they say it's the most brilliant idea right anything

that Obama did even if it was a good idea even if they know it's a good idea they have to support Trump right undoing it it doesn't mean anything these people don't believe in anything see now this is why we've touched on something that was why I'm not interested in the current day anymore like of his show because number one it's all distractions I went and watched the Thursday show from last week it was just piles of bullshit but when I watch the show people on our

Facebook group do want us to talk about the present day so maybe instead of project Camelot on Wednesday will do a modern day episode just to be like here you go whatever but one of the things that will teach you a lesson one of the things that really struck me is that first of all it's an incredibly stupid show more so than in 2009 for sure yeah like jumping back in and watching it after having not watched for like two weeks of present day stuff I was like fuck this is stupid

like I was just like there's nothing there it's vapid and all of the things that I could really bring up are like hey his guest is a monster and I could tell right right I could tell you like a laundry list of things about this guest like holy shit look at this fucking dick yeah and then all of the other stuff is like he's a hypocrite and as we've talked about over and over again even brought up there they don't care yeah that doesn't matter that it's a it's a feature not a bug

right and so it the version of it in 2009 the hypocrite is much more interesting to me because you can look at him and like a is a hypocrite about X Y or C but the the thing here that's hypocritical is his awareness in 2009 that Iran's nuclear program was for domestic use yeah it was for electricity and research and stuff like that it wasn't for making weapons he knew that that that is a hypocrisy on some level in present day but in the past it's a clue it's a clue because the things

that change change for a reason and the specific things that change change because someone fucking paid him to change his hand so these are hypocrisy saying that many of these people are actually motivated more by money than ideology Dan look no I mean maybe I don't know I haven't studied a whole lot of I'm sure a lot of I am a I'm a student of human nature right and I know I'm not but these guys are still all liars we're just out for the money the point that I'm trying to make is like in

present day it's a pointless hypocrisy yeah in the past it's indicative of something that is is a clue that will be you know there's follow-up on it all right I get I get what I'm not trying to bust him for hypocrisy is not trying to use his own words to guide me towards like huh now who would have the specific goals in mind that Alex's rhetoric chains right changes to fit right I think it's a short list if well I mean it's so I that's a that's a really brilliant way to go about

it because what we are talking about in 2009 is a more independent Alex Jones yeah one who is not quite as beholden to so many of these bullshit artists he's he's independent in some ways but then also but but of course so to see where his independence changes then you start to see exactly whose motivations are changing that exactly I get what you're saying now and it's not just like I don't like bisque and then big bisque comes in I don't know but weird example big bisque big

bisque big lobster bisque you know like it's not a superficial thing where you see that actually sounds like big-body best is better name big Berkey big bisque yeah big bisque best see but big Berkey is a water filter you don't want bisque a soup to be associated with the filter people think it's a soup oh no I'm talking about the rapper friend of a shit now I can't remember his name I would I thought you were talking about big Berkey the sponsor the water no no no no no I am

talking about action Bronson's oh what like I who cares the point yeah the point the point I was trying to make is that like these are not superficial pointless things that change yeah they are positions that change right the idea of like being cool with what Iran was up to is a position that changes the idea of being pro net neutrality and shifting to anti net neutrality is a position that changes they aren't they aren't superficial preferences or something like

that so that and they're hyper specific very that's that's perhaps the the more revealing thing is that these aren't just wide republic adopting random or like a wide swath of republican policies so much as why would you change your opinion on specifically net neutrality right when that is if you thought about it clearly against your best interest so if you're picking something that specific it kind of says something yeah and what are the things that don't change right

I think those are also important because they give you also another clue into who would court this guy you know the things that don't change like him thinking climate change is about carbon tax right those sorts of things that are consistent he's very pro russia stance yeah like those sorts of things are things that you know all of this is clues and I understand why this isn't like maybe as fun is listening to alex break down on us laugh at him I get that but this is substantially

more important as an investigation exactly so Alex Jones he said that he was gonna talk to krs one tomorrow on Friday show right there is no Saturday show okay but we're gonna get some krs one but no they were not but alex he made a specific policy change on krs one alex went to do we know who does not like krs one coke brothers alex went stated mission of americans for prosperity mm-hmm no krs one that might be one of their positions could be but alex went to the krs one

show oh hell yeah and here is his report from it and then krs one gets up on stage after the other groups had played and was like I'm down with alex jones I'm not down with the barack obama barack obama's a new world order puppet you watch and then he started going into all these raps and put me in them and everything was just not down with the people and then I you know I interviewed him over the phone last Friday because he couldn't make it to town until Saturday on the

radio and he you know he said a lot of that he said hip hop is behind you but then after the show I got to interview him for about 30 minutes and he was telling me just how many people I mean the icons are huge fans of this radio show and the films and what we do and expanding from there you know I talked to my buddy who does a major TV show in hollywood not charlie shane somebody else told me the whole cast of the show basically you know in their dressing rooms listen to the radio

show because they're sitting there for hours and their makeup put on a reading scripts and you know that I talked to Joe rogan who was in town I had dinner with him last night before I went to meet with krs one because he was here for his comedy routine case you're wondering I know and he was telling me he goes oh yeah a whole bunch of people a whole bunch of the biggest names he was listing I'm not really up on ultimate fighting but he was telling me like all the like

the big guys in it were like huge fans and listen to show I mean it is getting exponential it's pretty crazy so I am not saying anything about the relative intelligence of all UFC fighters the the concussed gentlemen I am not making any claims whatsoever I am not generalizing but of course UFC fighters listen to alex jump so you can take that with a slight grain of salt but then oh I mean like I don't I don't begrudge alex for thinking that maybe everyone likes him when he has

in the same week Joe rogan and krs one making time for him that's true you know yeah it now what they probably said were yeah a lot of people like you or something like that yeah he's he's building it up in his head and mythologizing it to a certain extent we're like all rat pioneers love me yeah everyone on a show that's definitely not Charlie sheen's show they all sit around the dressing room and listen to me like you could you can understand where like yeah he's got a big head you

could kind of buy it yeah yeah and maybe like Icarus it leads him to fly too close to the sun because he thinks he's a much bigger deal than he is perhaps at this time anyway on a recent episode I told you that I thought that alex wasn't going along with the Obama didn't swear in didn't do the inauguration correctly wait now he's doing that one yeah he's all great he's back on his bullshit great yeah for those that don't know the inauguration you isn't official the swearing in unless

they do it properly we pointed that out so obama then two days later because he didn't do large parts of it so right there large parts of it right there already alex is saying we reported on it and that made him redo it course he's already taken credit for that which is absurd he then was sworn in again but this time they said secretly but they had one camera person there but then by secretly wouldn't let him record it and he didn't swear on why have a camera and that was in the mainstream

news so they did that on purpose so he could then go have a private one and not do it on the Bible I guarantee you there was all these big debates about what he's swearing on the Bible you know was he really a Muslim all this other stuff and I kind of poo pooed that but now you got to ask yourself the question all right all right so so if I understand the conspiracy theory now and the way that it is metastasized is now we're past the the Cinderella midnight theory of global

politics wherein if you don't do things right the first time everybody invalidates it and we're on to the whole reason this happened is so people wouldn't see that Obama wasn't going to swear in on the Bible mm-hmm okay yeah why because he's he's stupid for example Theodore Roosevelt didn't use a Bible when he was taking the oath in 1901 John Quincy Adams at Franklin Pierce swore in on a book of law with the intention that they were swearing to the Constitution the Lyndon B.

Johnson was sworn in a Roman Catholic missile on Air Force One here what missile missile MISS AL okay because if you said missile on Air Force One now I'm very into liturgical book that contains the instructions and texts necessary for the celebration of the mass oh that one's page turner yeah so that there are plenty of presidents in our history who have sworn in on other things that are not so that's that's cockamamie that's nonsense anything anything any of these

people say you can go back in American history and be like yeah this guy already did that yeah I don't like it doesn't matter make a big deal out of this that's a zero so would you believe yes the Bob Chapman is on again still he's on again but now I would and we learn a little bit more about him here on the 25th that is super duper interesting when I was nine KRS one and I tried to take down the Fed by ourselves that's I said something I didn't understand it okay good good we're

gonna have Bob Chapman on the economy whether some of having him on a lot lately because his track record of predicting what's happening in the economy has been more accurate than most that's a 95% accuracy everyone is 95% accurate yeah everyone just as like just like every dictator gets 97% of the popular vote every single person that Alex Jones talks to his 95% accurate so stupid the of course he's had one of the biggest financial newsletters in the world till he retired

didn't and he was the largest private silver and gold broker as well and he's been fighting the globalist for 45 years he helped him you know producing population under call of conspiracy with Gary Allen his partner worked with us so many other leaders in the fight against globalist I wanted to get him on that is big so many other leaders in the fight against globalists but that's big from 45 years ago I didn't know that Bob Chapman was responsible for financing

and publishing none dare call it conspiracy I did not know that either this is a big break in the sort of influence line of Alex Jones's life that's really really important and it is making it so we are going to need to do a full-on episode about none dare call it conspiracy in the very near well it'll be fun okay you'll be very mad but it also led me to be like wait I need to look into Bob Chapman yeah because I was like yeah he's just a stupid gold guy whatever who

cares he saw Reagan get buttfucked okay immediately after that you're like I'm not really worried about what this guy's doing I think he's a clown like for the most part or I had thought he was a clown and then I started to look into him and Bob Chapman is a what would I call him a fast car he's a blossoming flower of questions that cannot be answered because he's dead he's an onion bloom yes there's layers and layers to it so here's a little bit about Bob Chapman he's a stock

broker from 1960 to 1988 during which period he was quote probably the largest gold and silver broker in the world according to his bio so but I believe he was a big shot I'm sure he's a pretty big player but that begs the question what the fuck happened between that period and now to reduce him to being the from the top gold broker in the world and thus obviously a billionaire to being the panic filled feature act that Alex uses to set up sales pitches from Ted Anderson

Vietnam no after 1988 yeah well it would have been the stock market crash of 87 no that's not after 88 also there was yeah but I actually looked into that because I thought that 87 was possibly a source of like he lost everything yeah but he couldn't have because gold didn't dip that far gold gold only took a short and fairly small dip it was not something that someone like Bob Chapman would have in less he's fucking stupid and just so if he sold everything during that small

dip that happened to be a billionaire though yeah most likely he'd be bitter as hell yeah yeah but I watched Reagan get butt fucked for this it doesn't make sense he's someone who's like his whole life is just about buying gold and like gold will save you and the idea that it starts to go down a little bit and he doesn't hold on to it it just doesn't track ironic it would be but it would be very ironic it doesn't track with who he is right so something had to have happened at

that point because if he was a huge billionaire and maybe he still was I don't know but if he was money financial interest wouldn't be making him do this embarrassing shit on Alex's show these people are insane if he went broke somehow then that makes sense but if not then there's some philosophy that is guiding him towards being this prop for Alex and Ted Anderson to use ex-wife maybe I don't I don't think so no I think he is just married once throughout his life hmm but I looked into

it a little bit more and interestingly from 1962 to 1976 he made pretty much all of his money from South African gold shares oh no you might know oh no you might notice wait what that those he got ruined by apartheid those years were when apartheid was alive and well wow he was making killings on South African gold shares during a time when you don't like the use of that word I was it was intentional so Bob claimed that after 1976 he started moving to North American gold and silver

and he cites the Suito riots as the breaking point sure interestingly many experts view the Suito riots as being critical a critical moment when resistance to apartheid became much more active and in the open which obviously made his gold operation impossible to run and thus he had to settle for North American gold which would definitely be lower margins for him due to overhead expenses that don't exist in apartheid yeah so he was making a killing off this shit and then the

oppressed black people started standing up for themselves that Suito riots were about like education system yeah and a bunch of people died yeah it's horrible tense tends to work that way so what you see then is him having to shift from this super exploitative and white nationalist system of making money off the gold and the resources of South Africa into much less lucrative versions after 1976 should have switched into conflict diamonds now interestingly not not conflict

diamonds but from 1970 to 1973 in those years Bob Chapman lived in Johannesburg South Africa and in Rhodesia great there's literally no chance that he could live in two of the largest and cruelest white nationalist states in Africa for three years and not be keenly aware of how racial oppression was in place and how it worked and it is fucking telling that those three years do not seem to have informed his life and work at all the only explanation I can draw from

that is he was perfectly fine with apartheid as a system that he was exploiting and making tons of money off of yeah I would say he's not he wasn't just perfectly fine with it he was overjoyed certainly overjoyed delightful so now here's the troubling piece that wasn't already enough he lived in Rhodesia in South Africa from 1970 to 1973 none dare call it conspiracy was published in 1971 during the time that Bob Chapman would have been financing and helping get none dare

call it conspiracy published he was living in apartheid South Africa in Rhodesia and making a killing off stealing and selling natural resources from apartheid countries great so after this great he started publishing ruined the guy who watched Reagan get butt fucked for me Dan sorry I thought it was delightful turns out he's a white nationalist who's fucked over everybody for his entire goddamn life so after this point he started publishing the Gary Allen report which I can't

find any copies of or anything about really online I think it was an early newsletter type of thing baby even physical copies yeah or on like list serves on the internet like really really early type stuff he then went on to publish his claim to fame and what the citation that Alex always gives for him the international forecaster which is a newsletter that presents itself as being heady advice for investment in business but I found an archive of it oh I started

reading them and their heavy advice their ramblings about the New World Order and the Illuminati right how the economy was it going to collapse any moment any moment and constant insistence is the people by gold 95% correct the newsletter is 100% of vehicle for selling gold and fear fear based mongering yes 100% yeah so his entire career is based on white nationalist apartheid states gold great and now fear based pimping on Alex Jones's show kind of a kind of a common

trajectory it's this is incredibly fucked up stuff I mean I'm trying to look even deeper and find out more connections that could possibly exist but like I don't think you get more messed up than the idea that the guy who is financing and helping put out an undare call a conspiracy was in South Africa in apartheid era getting gold and getting rich off it I'm just really like when they complain about robber bears are bad it's I don't think white nationalists

are good people Dan I don't think you can trust him here's another interesting wrinkle Bob Chapman in the international forecaster in one of the art issues that he put out very literally said that if Ron Paul doesn't get elected president we're all doomed he's a big Ron Paul guy and has connections to the John Birch Society he's dead yeah he's dead he died of pancreatic cancer I believe a couple years back I think 2012 maybe all right seems right all right let's go kill him let's

get him again I don't even I can't even trust that he's dead he's probably living in some new Rhodesia somewhere fucking asshole living in New Berlin yeah here of course the beetle being yeah yeah so that's a real bummer but this appearance why is he on on the 25th well I would hope to sell gold for this segment ends I want to bring Ted Anderson the owner of the Genesis Network that syndicates this radio show because he also owns minus resources 30 year gold brokerage and so

so right there I just want to be totally clear because we have to be super fair to Alex this is the only time that I've heard him correctly site who Ted Anderson is yeah he will say he's a sponsor or something like that yeah but this is the only time that I think he's above board in terms of like FTC rules about you have to say that this person runs your fucking network yeah and owns a gold sales thing so at least he's saying that but I don't think most people listening

would have heard it silver brokerage because Ted bought gold when it was $815 an ounce now it's over 900 right now he has it in store and he also wants to you let us at his company give people a free introductory copy of your latest hard copy newsletter the international forecaster they can also international forecaster dot com so before this segment ended I wanted to briefly bring Ted in so he could well it's 800-686-2237 so they could call and find out about that but

also find out about the gold and silver deal that Ted's got going that only goes until midnight tonight folks because then he's going to be out of this position have to put a clock on it higher price most places don't even have gold and silver Ted's still so on the bottom line would it be a smart move for people to physically have part of their 401k in gold or silver so they just trust the government physically. Well I recommend gold and silver related assets

very strongly because as far as I can see after all my years of experience this is the only place to be how good of a deal is it if Ted bought gold god damn it $15 an ounce and he's selling it at that price priced into the market when it's at 900 how good of a deal is that well it's terrific it goes without saying I mean coins that he purchased probably for a hundred and say $45 he was selling it at that level they're now a hundred and sixty dollars or whatever let's

bring Ted on that's a difference of $15 and what Ted bought them that Ted take a Frank or a British sovereign please all right all right fuck you like that is so over it's so so so Bob has said then all like the only thing that then makes sense is that Bob has a vested interest in Genesis communications Midas Midas resources as well I can't because if he's I can't find at at press time yeah I can't find a specific connection between the two past philosophical

connections that Ted Anderson is a big booster for Ron Paul and also has leanings towards the John Birche but you can you can both have that leaning without having totally dude totally shill for you that hard I'm just saying that that's the only like firm connection I can find between the two of them yeah outside of appearances on the show yeah there has to be a like because Bob Chapman was a player in the game he's not just going to stay on the sidelines and sell for

somebody else the international forecaster is a sponsor on Alex's show and it appears that they're also a Genesis communications sponsor so they buy at time that's one connection but it doesn't rationalize this it doesn't it doesn't make it doesn't make sense that he would be like he's in many ways sticking his neck out yeah like he's putting his credibility as a one of the one of the world's largest gold and silver brokers into being like formerly one

of the world right yeah but Midas resources is like these deals are amazing and I don't yeah I don't want to read like the pages of ripoff reports about Midas resources right that you can find them if you Google it it's very easy to find pages and pages of people who got ripped off by Midas and Ted Anderson what else would they be doing markups constant markups course there's constant weird like hidden charges and fees people who bought gold at like a certain amount and then trying

to resell it later it's like oh the price is way down I can't find a buyer for you right right that sort of shit is just constant with with Ted Anderson's past and there's a reason that he lost his fucking bouillon license in 2015 because this shit caught up to him and the idea that you're I'm trying to reinforce the point that you're making and that like he has to have some sort of skin in this game yeah or else it doesn't make sense for him to but I think he probably also

knows enough if he has decades in the gold business he knows that Ted Anderson is running a scam right so he knows that like I want to get on board with this scam it's because I used to run the fucking same scam well it's a slightly different one it has to do with pressing countries right whereas Alex just that's a later wrinkle of his career wanting to wanting to racially oppress minorities so I don't know man I don't know what conclusions we can draw but there's something really

really major about this there's something really really fucked up what the fuck is Chapman doing I don't know how old is he at this time like he died at 82 and 2012 or something along those lines so he's he's got to be late 70s right now let me see so Bob Chapman died at 76 oh shit so he's in his early 70s he died in 2012 so that's three years after this 73 73 73 so so he's 73 not a big player in the game anymore obviously since he's on info wars no but he's still got something going on

there well he has this international forecaster but he that I mean that that amounts to him just being a magazine yeah gold propaganda yeah but that doesn't really that can't really be that much of a business I don't know I mean yeah probably but he I'm I have to assume he's also doing like consulting shit and stuff like that giving financial advice to people on taking a cut yeah I would assume I don't know man it's really weird that's an easy racket if he's like if you're

hiring him you should really already know what advice is about to give you the fuck unless he gives you really amazing advice once you're once you're off the gold tip mm-hmm what we need to look at is this three days and Alex Jones's history open up a number of questions that I think are unexpected and they all have to do with Bob Chapman the first is what happened like because yeah or what didn't happen you know cuz like they're like I said there's a decent chance he's

still a billionaire and coming on and chilling like if they if if he's chilling and not in financial disaster then what is his motivation what's the final it's the philosophical reason if he could just be he's old and bored if nobody else is paying attention to it could be could be certainly we all know that Alex Jones's show is the one-stop shop for old weirdos yeah talk to you anymore so that's possible or the flip side is if he is doing it for money then what happened

where did he lose his billions of dollars because he had to have had billions of dollars if he was raping South Africa yeah yeah second question what was going on in 1970 1971 when he was living in Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa and helping Gary Allen get none dare call it conspiracy published what the fuck was going on there and is there a connection is there some sort of is is that a coincidence I got I'm gonna say no so there's that gonna say no and then

third thing is I guess I don't know do they keep doing this do they keep doing this super when did they get when did they start when did Bob and Ted get together in the beginning that's another question that's my question right there I don't know if we can answer that from these these like when did well when did Ted get into gold sales I believe it was in the 90s in the 90s I believe so is it possible that Chapman gave Ted a leg up it's possible you know like like where else are you

gonna bet maybe maybe Ted is a Chapman Acolyte maybe Ted was like oh it's too late for me to rape a country so I'll talk to this guy and see what happens I mean it's possible let me see if I can get a start I'll try and rape North America I'll try and fleece idiots yeah let's see I don't know if I can find a start date for Midas but there are huge search for Midas resources on there is a bunch of negative reviews

harshly negative reviews not a not a solid BBB rating go check out pissed consumer dot com all right I like that I don't know I can't I can't find a start date but as I recall it's in the 90s yeah that's possible it's possible that he was his mentor yeah is a Darth Vader if you will also that is another piece of it that needs to come into question another big question is clearly Bob Chapman is an indication of someone who is fine with or supports white nationalism right you can't live

the you can't have the career that he had without that being the case not it's pretty well impossible so how much of that is relevant I don't know when you get there when you get to it I think most of these most of these people who are are so violent towards the rights of any kind of labor are also violently white nationalist as well yeah like it like if you I mean you want to talk to or

let's talk about the Koch brothers whether or not race is their stated you know boogaboo right so to speak they're all of their yeah I don't know what bugaboo bugaboo that's what where did that come from boogaboo boogaboo is is a great child so all of the things all of the things that they are for that they are advocating for are essentially racial violence if you if you start talking about getting rid of the social safety net that is when you get you know when you start doing

the math that is mainly racial violence well that is mainly racial violence yeah but that's mixed together it is those two things mixed together but what's the highest percentage right you know well all of these things all of these policies that these conservative fuck faces want to divorce from from their white nationalist leanings right always wind up disproportionately if not entirely affecting American minorities well the thing that I I would just bring in to that

conversation I guess is violence is the outcome but is it intentional violence or is it just a lack of regard and lack of caring that that's the outcome you know what I mean yeah I don't know if it matters but it does for the conversation it doesn't matter in terms of it being wrong both are wrong right but it does matter in some ways because you have people who are like you know daily Stormer folk and stuff like that who are like no I get

hard thinking about destroying my yeah yeah and then you have people who are probably like Bob Chapman I would say probably isn't like an out and out racist he's just like oh this system that really viciously oppressed a minority group or I guess they weren't a minority no they were the majority but you know what I mean like the non white group yeah yeah this system was really lucrative and I made a ton of money off it so I'm not colonialism does work for a very small number of people

I'm gonna pretend that I don't notice the violence I'm gonna notice that I'm unaware of it or something like that the outcome is the same but it's different in terms of like what you want to keep your eyes open for the clues and the and the points I mean I I don't find too much I don't particularly whether or not there is a distinction to be made I don't give a fuck it's academic do you know what I'm saying like whether or not the malicious intent is there bothers me far less than that

it's being done right you know no no no no I understand and I agree with you yeah but I'm just saying for the keeping things straight in terms of what we're looking at which is another one of their stated goals totally but like in terms of like not getting off track and being like Bob Chapman's a racist right something like that it's important that distinction is only important in so much as like it could lead us down a stupid road yeah that is accurate in terms of

like yeah what are the influences that are going on with Alex right you know that is a racist but whether or not that is important to the investigation is a is a different question fine yeah fair enough I'll accept that only because you got to get out of here you got to show tonight all right so let's do it so this brings us to the end of January 22nd through 25th in 2009 I think there's a lot of revelations here first that KRS one was on info wars yeah weird yeah

why not nobody asks Alex follow-up questions which is unfortunate nobody and then nobody ever asks a follow-up question and then Alex so many just credulous people yeah and Alex Ted Anderson and Bob Chapman are clearly running a three man three card Monty style yeah scam on the radio wherein Bob and Alex do do some riffing about fear and then bring in the closer it's it's exactly like you sussed out at the beginning of the episode the timeshare salesman yeah

metaphor is perfect so what the fuck is wrong with I'm excited for what we're going to end up learning because that Saturday the 24th is when that first tea party thing happened that first little protest and so now we're in it we're in it we're in the point where this is growing my people are talking about it my suspicion is Alex is going to be against it to start with he's gonna he's going to be like the strongly disagree you gonna jump on board right away I think I think

he's gonna be petty and bitchy about how it's it's not it's supposed to be his movement I agree with that but I don't think he's gonna be real I don't think he's gonna be against it but I agree that he's gonna be petty and jealous yeah I think he's going to be like what the fuck am I right who didn't call me yeah I wasn't I am there with fucking tyranny crusher to why didn't Ron tell me that this was going on so I think there's gonna be some of that but I think he's gonna get with

the program pretty quick that's my that's my theory but we'll see we'll see how it plays out because you and I are both just spitball and I give it I give it I give it two weeks I say from the 25th from the 25th to whatever it will be I give it two weeks before he is he is right there saying that these guys are the ones who are gonna save us all right my prediction is a little bit more than I'm gonna take the over you're gonna take the over on two weeks well that's not fair I thought you

were gonna just be playing the field you're gonna take the under I thought you're gonna be like I'm gonna give him two and a half hours no because we've seen this trend that that goes throughout Alex that he keeps getting left behind by stuff like we see it already with Ron Paul going on Glenn back in this episode you see it in modern day with QAnon right you see it with Bitcoin like he's he's he waffles back and forth with Bitcoin for being like I don't trust it to

being like it's the only thing to trust no he doesn't do that yeah and say that to his credit but he does have moments or he's like I could have gotten really rich yeah just listen to those listen to Max Kaiser it's fucking everybody's stupid yeah everybody oh man I wish I had invested in Apple like come on you were you weren't going to don't worry about it now right right but but I that's why I think it's gonna be longer is because if there's one thing that is through line

through Alex's career beyond just being in favor of Russia it's that he he is a late adopter he is he is someone who comes to the party late and then is like I was here the whole time yeah and so I just he was here the whole time he started it and yeah it's my part he often starts everything yeah absolutely strangely enough so I think it's gonna take him longer cuz he doesn't understand reality but then also it's really fun cuz we mentioned QAnon Jerome Corsi and Alex

Jones have turned on QAnon sure sure you're gonna still gonna crib highly from their articles though yeah gonna guess that they claim that QAnon has been taken over by the globalist oh no yeah the globalist took over QAnon that's stupid when did they get there they got the password or were they there the whole time it's so stupid what happened is that QAnon started making fun of Jerome Corsi sort of like vaguely making fun of him yeah Jerome Corsi got mad about it and

he's like this is fake oh my god these petty idiots so stupid so fucking stupid anyway I thank you Jordan for taking time out of your busy day to come in and do this is much more fun than sitting here with the plastic Cthulhu bank spoiler alert I I don't remember who it was but someone is like hey I have that same bank and I was like it is not a bank cuz I thought it was just a plastic figurine and that is why you turned on QAnon they started making fun of your Cthulhu bank but I

actually have to cop to it it's a bank it's a bank I'm sorry god damn it very sorry about my fucking liar my reactive comment anyway if you want more of the show you can check us out at knowledgefight.com absolutely you can follow us on Twitter it's at knowledge underscore fights we're on Facebook we are indeed you can find us on iTunes can you find us on it we're there okay and then Jordan since you you know you weren't here for the last episode it's time for you to

choose someone oh and this episode and come on it's obviously go fuck yourself Reagan but literally but fuck yourself Reagan I get it Andy and Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding well Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you