Knowledge Fight - #173: February 6-10, 2009

Episode Date: June 25, 2018

Today, Dan takes Jordan back to 2009 to discuss some real wild bullshit Alex Jones was talking about regarding some states asserting their sovereignty, his weird ideas about women's bodies, and his weirdo callers.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We are a couple of dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Dan. What's up? If you went to a family reunion yesterday. Oh boy. And did you? Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah. Do you want to talk about it? No, let's cut through this stupid bit that we do at the beginning and get human.

If you were a member of my family, I imagine it would be tough for you to tell them that you don't know anything about Alex Jones. I would be thrilled to tell them that you do a podcast with a guy who knows a lot about him. That's exactly how it went. And this is our podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I don't know anything about Alex Jones. I've been, Jordan, if I can be perfectly honest with you, I've been going on a delightful spice adventure for the last couple of days. You'll notice I had my hot sauce that I bought in Austin, Texas have finally come in the mail since they're too big to be taken on a

plane. And I've been having a blast. I just wanted to put that out into the universe. Having a delightful time with this spice. How do you feel about that? Well, I think you need to get a new passport, Dan. Oh man, I'm being attacked. Yeah, I do need to get a new passport though. My last one was expired by now. Yeah, that's you should have gotten it about a year and a half before it expired. So Jordan, today we have delightful show. We're back in 2009. Yes, we're going to be going over some stuff. But before we do, I feel like I want to throw a wrench into the gears.

All right. All right. I'm like in wrenches. I've always, you know, been trying to look for ways to expand on what this show is, what this podcast is all about. Your giddy joy is really as you tease this out, it is driving me and I want to throw some wrenches into the gears. And so I have here a habanero pepper. I am going to eat this while I allow you to take over the show to what now I throw the show into your hands. Those are the people who are new policy wonks to give a shout out to. All right. And for now, and I'll say this, I have never eaten a habanero before. I have no idea how I'm going to respond to

this. I genuinely have no idea what's about to happen. I've had jalapenos before. There's no doubt about that. All right. This is a new experience for me. So now are we a gimmick show now? Do we want a soundboard? Anyway, here we go. Jordan, take over the show. Alrighty. Guys, do you know what isn't eating a habanero pepper right now? That's our new donors, ladies and gentlemen. Our first new donor, we would like to give a huge shout out to Peter. Welcome to the policy wonks, Peter. Don't do that right while I'm swallowing.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Thank you very much, Peter. And our next policy wonk has actually bumped up her ownership. No, just came straight in. Oh, she came straight in. Yep. Good heavens. She came straight in at the globalist level. Thank you very much, Larissa. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark.

Thank you so much, Larissa. Absolutely. How are we doing, Dan? Totally fine. Oh, this is very disappointing. This is the worst wrench you've ever thrown. You threw a tiny wrench into the giant's measure from Fern Gully. I don't know why that was the first thought I had. I legitimately expected that to be interesting in some way, or at least fun. I know. I could see it in your face.

You were so excited. And I was weird pre-show because I had this. I was going to spring on you. It was going to be like, I don't know if Jordan's going to enjoy this. I don't think you did. And I give it a B, quite frankly. I was fine with it. I expected it to be like really hurt by this. Yeah, I expected it to be like, oh, oh, man.

You know, I did not expect much to I you're a spice guy. You like spices, things and spice like that. If I took a bite out of that, if I took a bite out of that, I would cry. I would cry like a thresher in Fern Gully. I've historically not been a pepper guy. And that's why it kind of like had me worried, had me shook a little bit. But then at the same time, you know, like we're at this point now where I feel. Oh my God, you started bleeding from the eyes.

Oh, no, I feel like the way we set the opening of the show has become so entrenched in this little tiny bits that we do that is trying to throw a curveball. OK, I don't think this is going to work as a curveball. I feel like we we mix up our bits. It's not like we do the same bit every time we try and add that. And now this is one of them. Fair enough, fair enough. Like all opening bits.

Yeah, oh well. So now let's get to today's show here. Jordan is an out of context drop out of today's episode. OK, so much of what we hear in Patriot mythology isn't real. Oh, interesting. Uh, very much out of context. All right. All right. I'm interested to see where that goes.

I just spoiler alert. That's him talking to like a sovereign citizen caller and being like, maybe you shouldn't put too much stock in saying double cane in court. And that's it. OK, yeah. And that getting you off the hook. But it also applies to everything else. Alex believes in Patriot mythology.

All not true. Yeah, yeah. Today, Jordan, we're going to be going over the February 6th to February 10th episodes of the Alex Jones show in 2009. And the reason we have such a wide swath there is because there's a lot of dead air. There's a lot of downtime, right? And we need to pick up the speed because we need to get to the point

where the Tea Party really kicks off and we really get to see how long does it take Alex to change from looking at the board. Yes. All of those 2009 positions into his much more in line with the Koch brothers position. Right, right. Mysteriously. Right. And so we need to we need to get to.

Yeah, we got a steam roll along to that. We need to get to the end of February to see how he responds to the massive public Tea Party stuff happening. And so we start on February 6th and Alex is launching a new narrative that is really interesting and will carry through the entirety of what we cover on today's episode. All right, I'm going to guess. OK, the it's about the bees are dying.

Because in 2009 was whenever that first started to get like it had been happening for like 10 years before that. But people started to really notice in 2009, they were like, where are all the fucking bees going? There's going to be no food if we don't have bees. So I assume that Alex Jones is going to jump on the back of that. Ignore the whole Obama thing. Like really, he's already said all he's going to say,

which is that Obama is a terrible president. So it's time to get down to the bottom of the bees. And Dan, here's where I think he's going to go with this. First of all, let me just stop you before you go any further. OK, you've never been more right. So where do you think he goes? All right, all right, I'm going to go with and actually in a complete turnaround for him, he is going to find the most reasonable explanation.

He's not going to go with like chemtrails or the magnetic poles reversing. What he is going to say is I'm going to go with manmade climate change and it's time to regulate the oil companies in order to keep this from continuing. And frankly, in a real left field turn, he is going to say, hold on, that a global carbon tax is the best way to pump the brakes. Did you just say, and frankly, you say, and frankly, I didn't. But I kind of want to know you're incorrect about your guess, though, Alex is going to say that the globalists are hoarding the bees.

Oh, OK, they're actually at a bee summer resort that the globalists know that actually sounds fun. None of this is correct. Here is Alex's narrative. Eight states and growing are telling the federal government it is completely rogue and criminal that they will not put up with gun confiscation, concentration camps, stage terror attacks, you name it. Increasing number of states declaring sovereignty. This article by Curt Nima will be going over it early in this hour.

He goes over it a lot, not just in that next hour. So we got this story here and it's it's actually a really interesting thing. You know, in the history of our country, generally speaking, state legislatures don't get together to say like, hey, the law is the law. Remember that federal government, but mysteriously a month or so after a black guy gets elected, a bunch of states get together and have their legislature put together a bunch of bills and resolutions that they put through that are directly delivered to the president and the speaker of the

House, right, that just say, hey, we're letting you know the law is the law. Don't be encroaching. Wait, what? That's all it is. That really happened? Yes. It's the same. Legislatures got together and. What did they what did they they wrote a resolution?

You can find all of the all of these and they mailed it to the speaker of the House and he said, don't tread on tea. Basically, okay, there's a lot of states that introduced these house resolutions in the state houses, not in the, not in the actual like federal House of Representatives. Right, right, right, right. No, that I put together. Um, so they would be sent to the president if they passed and became

accepted resolutions. So that's one piece of it, but the second piece of it, and I need to stress this is these, uh, states are all coordinating. These are all almost identical resolution resolutions in these states. I've read them. They're almost all identical. And I think that they're being operated by people who may or may not show up on our episode today.

Really? Yeah. On on Alex. Yeah. Because they're weirdo patriot assholes because all of these, all of these bills are like actually written by the Heritage Foundation. Like, no, I don't think so. Like something along, like most well, like the anti version.

Of the, yeah. Well, yeah, the anti-abortion stuff, all of that is written by the Heritage Foundation might be there. Yeah, it might actually be like, they're the ones who write all these bills. I don't know if a Republican lawmaker has ever actually learned to read. It's, it's some Patriot, uh, Bill Mill. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so I looked into all this and was, and frankly, um, so you can find bill trackers and stuff like that. And you can find out what happened with these, uh, these resolutions bill trackers is an amazing dude to get a drink with. So I found, uh, the one in Washington state that got introduced, uh, the bill just sort of sat there and nobody did that and nobody acted on it. So it never got passed and never got put through. Um, the main one that Alex talks about, cause it was the one that was

introduced in, uh, earliest, I believe, uh, at least that's the sense I got from listening to the show. Right, right, right. I was in New Hampshire and I looked that up and it turns out that the bill is listed as quote, inexpedient to legislate, which I'm like, I don't know what the fuck that means. So I had to do some looking and do some digging into it. What legally, what is inexpedient to, uh, yeah, that's New Hampshire code for

quote, this bill is dead and will not be reconsidered. Yeah, that sounds right. So that one's dead. Arizona, the, uh, the house resolution passed 34 to 24, but I was going to say they probably passed a no black president's bill at the same time. Well, it's important to point out that the Arizona, uh, bill only passed. Uh, there was someone who went on record and said this, that it only passed because, uh, the language of it was very specific that it's non binding in any

way. Okay. So it's just basically shaking your fist at Obama. So, um, I'm strange that a state filled with 90% old people would shake its fist on a metaphorical lawn at a black person. Yeah. Yeah. So who could have guessed?

So Montana introduced a version of this. Oh yeah. The bill was introduced and failed as a bill. So it was then reintroduced as a resolution quote, generally articulating Montana's rights under the U S constitution and it once again failed because everyone's like, all you're saying is we like laws are laws. We don't need to do this. Yeah.

So Michigan, uh, the version that was pat, uh, introduced there died in committee, uh, the committee of government operations. Uh, my home state, Missouri, this one's weird. Their version, HR two 12 was a little bit rangy quote. It declares Missouri sovereignty under the 10th amendment and urges the United States Congress to reject the passage of federal freedom of choice act, which prohibits regulations on abortion. So they tried to, so in, in, in like, in a double whammy, yeah, yeah, they

were like, the law is the law, but at the same time, please don't make any more laws about abortion. Yeah. They tried to Frankenstein's monster, the 10th amendment and the abortion into this HR two 12. That sounds very Missouri into do this bill was deemed unpassable in the Missouri house. So it was even Missouri was like, whoa, guys.

Well, cause it was, it was a covered too much. You know, it was like, uh, we can't get a consensus on this. So, uh, it was replaced with HR two 94, which just said, quote, urges the United States Congress to summarily reject the enactment of the federal freedom of choice act, which classifies abortion as a fundamental right, right? But so if I understand this correctly, if I understand this correctly, they could not, they could not pass a, the law is the law.

And you got to remember that we're Missouri, we are sovereign and the anti-abortion bill, but they could merrow amazingly pass the anti-abortion bill. It does appear. So they don't even agree that the law is the law, but everybody's like, find a way, no abortion. It appears that that's the case. Yes.

Cause two 94 does appear to have passed the house. So Alex, God, people are fucked up. Alex will end up talking to the guy responsible for this one. And this is Oklahoma. This one is crazy. I don't think you can not talk to a guy from Oklahoma. What do you mean? I mean, in this, in this circumstance, any, I'm, I'm passing Arizona,

Montana, all of that stuff, boring. Oklahoma. I don't even really know anything about Oklahoma. I'm going to talk to a guy from Oklahoma looks like a shallow pot. Yeah. I'm excited. Okay. I want to hear what this dude has to say.

His name is Charles Key. Uh, and he will come up on our episode, uh, and he introduced the joint resolution one zero zero three, which passed the house and the Senate, but then was vetoed by governor Brad Henry, who did so because the language of the resolution strongly suggested that Oklahoma should send back federal tax money. And he was like, no, I don't want to do that. No one wants to do that. That will ruin all of our budget.

Um, uh, governor, we would like you to sign this bill. Um, the name of which is shoot Oklahoma in the dick. Got to veto that one. Yeah. I'm going to go with no shoot Oklahoma in the dick bill. So Charles Key said, fuck you, bro. And he reintroduced the bill as a house, concurrent resolution, uh, one zero two eight point of government and it passed the damn house again, although it slightly

diminished support, probably because of the points that Brad, uh, Henry brought up because it was a concurrent resolution, it did not need to go to the governor this time and when it passed, it was sent along to Obama, Biden and the speaker of the house. And again, how'd they do to reiterate? How did they, how did they like that to reiterate? All the bill was, was it, you could really boil it down to just the two words. Watch it.

Yeah, or we got our eye on you. Yeah, but black guy, Hey, we resent black people. You better know that it's really, really hard to look at this and not see that parallel. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, like it's, it's, it's pretty much like, Oh, you guys are shook, you whites are shook that, that should, like that should have been the moment Obama was like, ah, reaching across the aisle ain't going to happen on this one.

So you, you're saying, and then he spent eight years trying to reach across the aisle two weeks in when you got eight states being like, we're passing a vaguely racist bill, right? We should have just been like, well, you don't count as states anymore. Oh, you want to declare sovereignty? Guess what? Yeah. And by the way, a lot of this is in direct response to Obama being elected.

Yeah, of course. I know about the resolutions of this because we're years later and stuff. But the, like the, these ones dying and committee and stuff like that, they happen in like March and April of 2009, whereas we're still in February. So I'm a little bit of an omniscient narrator, right? But at the same time, like, you know, that the reason these are being introduced is because fucking Obama and they're scared of him. Anyway, in this next clip, we get like, man, Alex is fucking weird.

I never really know what to expect from him. I know him well in many ways, right? But he still surprises you're, you're the neighbor to a serial killer. You're like, I knew him well. I thought I didn't see him. I didn't see him serial killing, but seemed like a decent guy. I wouldn't say that. No, none of us would.

But this is this was jarring to me. Okay. And so they didn't sell the message to popular culture through public schools or college, that it's just the received, granted knowledge that it's true that more children is bad and that more children cost the public money when it's actually children that are our future. And they had any hope in this Ponzi scheme of big government and social security and pensions that we needed a another baby.

This is not the part that surprises me. Right. I imagine not this part is right in line with his demographic shift. Yeah, we're not having enough babies, right, right, right. But that didn't happen in the United States. If you take out the giant immigrant influx has about a 1.7, 1.8 depending on the year population growth.

That means for every two people we lose, we lose more people each year. Okay. The mother and a father on average have 1.7 children and they don't replace themselves. And I listen to talk radio now for the last week and a half since that mother had eight babies and she already had a few children. She went in. She did a type of hold on hold on hold on.

This isn't going to be an octobob situation. Hold on. All right. Of fertilization that's not in vitro. It was. She did a type where they normally put five to eight embryos in most of them don't take with her. She was very fertile to fertile being a equatorial creature.

And boom, they're now talking about how dare her. We've got to pay for her. We've got to, you know, we've got to pay for her children. She's evil. She's bad, you know, whether it was a good decision or not for her to make when the family's middle class and the grandparents are paying for it. That doesn't matter. I don't, I don't care.

I just think it's funny. I do not know what his point is. I don't care either, but I don't know. And I don't care. I just love that Alex is coming to bat for Octo mom. Like knowing what she's got eight. Huh? How many do you have?

She has 14 now. She has 14. Yeah. 14 kids at least seven and a half too many. Yeah. You said it, my man. Well, for me, all, but I'm the only reason I kept that in is because it's fascinating that he's, he's fine.

He's cool with the Octo mom, but then also, uh, we should just call her not, not, not, I don't know what equatorial. That's what I was going to bring up. Yeah. That's gross. What does he mean by equatorial? I think near the equator, right? Exactly.

Of lineage of, of, of, of, of their fertile of the world, because they're very fertile from near the equator. Does he think she's actually a volcano and she's in the ring of fire and that's prone to, well, volcanoes, notoriously fertile, very fertile. Absolutely. The soil is incredible, prone to explosions of babies, but still very fertile. I, all I, all I know is it's, it feels racist. It does.

It feels, it is racist, but I don't know how. Right. Because that's, that's a large amount of space. Remember when I, uh, earlier said that he continues to surprise me. That's, that's why. But it's like, that feels very, very bigoted, but at the same time, I don't know how to put my finger on it. Yeah.

It's, I know it's wrong. It seems to me like someone who talks about like fiery Latino blood and stuff like that, you know, like that, that version of bigotry. I don't know. I do like the idea of him changing his rhetoric. He's like, the West is under attack from the middle, the whole, just the whole middle, the middle, the, the, you go all the way around it in the center.

I'm going to go with a 10th to the 10th parallel. Yeah. I don't know. So you might remember that a few years back, uh, uh, Todd Aiken, uh, made some dis, uh, awful comments about how if a woman has been raped, her, uh, and she gets pregnant, her body will take care of that. Right. The body has a way of working.

You may as a weird thing for Clay Aiken to say, he then he wished he was invisible. How do you know that? I don't understand you. If I were invisible because it's a creepy fucking song. Oh, he's like, the chorus is, if I were invisible, I would watch you in your room. Oh, there's nothing creepy about that. Very creepy for a pop song.

Come on. HG Wells. Anyway, um, so it, it, it's all, it shouldn't be too surprising to remember that Alex wasn't like, he wasn't defended by that. He was kind of like, well, it seems like a reasonable comment. He watches TLC a lot, I imagine. And now we go back to 2009 and we hear him saying shockingly similar things, uh, except you take the, uh, the sexual violence out of it.

Back to 2009. Well, that's where we are. Oh, okay. Yeah. Depending on the study, it gives you a 50 to 200% depending on the trimester increase in cervical ovarian and other forms of reproductive organ cancer. When you have an abortion, let me give you a little news flash. If the baby needs to die, your body will terminate.

If things aren't going right, 99% of the time, if your body's in danger, the body will do it. So, so women just need to know you've had abortions. That's a good chance that you get in cancer. It's also associated with breast cancer. I, why don't you have the baby and adopted? Why don't you? Hell, if you end up having the baby and keeping it, you'll have to fight

CPS off anyways. I mean, they want, she, she, I mean, you know, they're killing babies with one hand and then they're CPSing them with another. I'm sparing you from a lot of clips of him screaming really gross things about abortion that are just like his normal milieu. Right. This is weird. This is real weird.

This is very unscientific. Where do these guys get their woman science? Like, is it, is it like, cause I feel like it's folklore from the 1700s. Patriot mythology. Right. Yeah. It's gotta be, it's gotta be something like also women, if you are near them while they're menstruating, you'll get, when you'll get, you'll become a woman.

Like, that's why you stand in a sherry circle. Yeah. You gotta send them to the men's season. Yeah. Like, what are these guys doing? I don't know, man. If, if there's something wrong, the, the, it'll terminate itself. Everything works out.

Don't you understand? There are no problems. 50% of women used to die in childbirth until like a hundred years ago. Body worked that out. No. I mean, if you, well, yeah, in a certain sense, if something's not right, it'll just kill both of you. No, that's how it's supposed to be.

And then how will you have an Octo mom? Exactly. That's a, I mean, there's that, there's that question we need to ask ourselves. Um, and then further, Alex has had, he's paid for 10 abortions or more in his life, he said. So like this idea of guilting people about stuff is, is utter horse shit. So that means he literally gave by his own beliefs, 10 women cancer. Right.

Right. Absolutely. That was what I was going to get to. Uh, he's stupid. And so he spends a lot of this show just saying really gross things, uh, fear tactics, uh, and shit about abortion that it doesn't, it doesn't pass the smell test and largely probably comes from these, uh, militant anti-abortion groups. That's probably where he's getting his information from.

Right. But where do they get that from? There's just misreading stuff. It just sounds so made up. So we, we have arbitrage, we have all that. And then we dive into greener, more familiar pastures. When, uh, our old friend, the guy who made millions and millions of dollars taken gold from South Africa, Bob Chapman fucking Bob Chapman.

And he is on, he is back on his bullshit, as they say. The outcome financially will be all the currencies will collapse and they'll be default, devaluation, almost all of them will do dreadfully. There'll be a few that will do okay. Which ones? And in the meantime, every single day, every single currency is devaluing against and against. So, which ones?

Uh, he doesn't specify really, but it is just, he's just on to say all this stuff about how like there's an artificial collapse coming of all currencies. Uh, and then he said for a few, uh, but mostly, uh, gold, baby, get gold. And so he gets to this. And of course, inflation is going to go ballistic. And even though deflation is happening at the same time, $902 or $20 gold, gold is going over $3,000. And if you don't, if you have done what, you know, you're supposed to do about

having that defensive insurance position at home, you've got to get more coins. You've got to get more gold. You've got to get more silver. It's the only thing that's going to be worth anything. Gold has been hovering around 920. It's right there today. How long can they keep it at that? Or will it just keep rising?

Or will it correct again? Next week, it's going to fly. Next week, it's going to fly. You better buy shit now. So that's, uh, it didn't fly. Yeah. It never hit 3,000 or anything like that, but yeah, and in its slight bit of fairness, I will say that gold was rising around this time.

It never reached the levels that they are saying it's going to. But it was, it was gaining value. I mean, it was, it's not like it's falling and they're pretending it's rising. Right. It did, it did end up reaching, uh, a little bit later. A pretty, I mean, it got up to about like 1,600 an ounce or so. Uh, and then corrected where it's been pretty much since with a little bit of fluctuation right around 11, 1200 an ounce.

So that's frustrating to me because that's evil. They're doing that maliciously. And yet it was still for a time, a good investment. Well, you can, I don't like that. You can be a liar, uh, about the big picture and still be correct about, you know, a detail. I know, but that's karmic. Like karmically, that is a bummer to me.

It is. You want it to be all a lie. And unfortunately there's a piece of it that's like, well, I mean, it's not, they, what, what they're trying to scare you with isn't true, but the idea that like at that time, if you'd bought gold, you could have made some money if you got out at the right time. Yeah. You know, that's not, but we've never said that that's not true.

No, it's actually generally always been like Bitcoin is largely a scam or a lot of cryptocurrencies, uh, are, are scams, but if you are able to ride them correctly and, and you can make money on that, a lot of, a lot of people do, but it's just, they're like 12 year olds or a millionaires, but there are just more examples of people who get defrauded, uh, or end up blowing everything. Right. And people who buy their gold and silver from Midas resources, as we know, from copious amounts of ripoff reports and shit like that, they were getting

screwed with having nothing to do with the price of gold. Yeah. So that, that's sort of more important. Uh, a little bit after this, Ted Anderson pops up, gives a, gives a specials, gives a, right. Reach the menu. Uh, it gives a little bit of the, yeah. Sovereigns are hot.

Um, and you know, so they, they play their normal game and then the show, show goes on. I've, I, I have a hard time realizing it. I don't think I've ever asked this question. Interesting. What? It's, so he doesn't sell gold. I, every time I hear he sells gold, I imagine little bars.

Yeah. That's what I, uh, every time you've said that, I've been like, Oh, little bars of gold, no, like a little, like chocolate bars. Like they, it's a gold wrapping. That's ridiculous. But, you know what, why is that ridiculous? Because that makes as much sense as anything else. Like if you're imagining like a proper sized bar of gold, that would be way too

expensive. No, no, I mean, like a kick bar sized thing of gold. That's crazy. No one would, uh, mint that. I, why not? What they have is mostly coins, uh, that have a certain amount of gold content in them. Okay.

So generally he'll have like these British sovereigns, uh, or these, the, he has the, those, uh, dimes that, uh, that have silver content in them. Yeah. And so like from, uh, I don't know how much, uh, how many of them are like currently, uh, printed at the, at this time, but you have these like, you can even still find some of them in circulation. You can find like quarters from like 1920 or something like that. That'll have a little bit of silver in them.

Uh-huh. Like that. Like, so these are coins from specific years from back when they had silver in the, these coins. So like a, like one of his walking Liberty half dollars or whatever, we'll have .00, uh, two ounces of gold in it or whatever. And so that's mostly what he's selling. He's selling, it's called bouillon.

What? How would you know? Well, it's because of the, the, they're certified. It's when they were printed. They, it's back when those were it, like that was how like that was the currency. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think some of it too, uh, the more, uh, non-historical coins that

he has are ones that they make specifically that are like, this has this much gold in it and then some filler and shit like that or even full gold coins, but that would be like, those would be pretty expensive. See, I don't, I don't, I don't trust that at all. No, there's like, there's a bit of faith involved. Yeah, even, even back whenever that was the way that it worked, I, how could you trust that shit? I, who's doing the certifying?

I don't know. It's, it's all, currency has always been magic currency has always been a faith-based idea. There's always been a faith and credit aspect of it that, uh, there's so mad about with the idea of trusting the government, but it'd be fine to trust your local coin guy or the, uh, centralized coin guy who's making the coins for the state or whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Everything is fine in that level, but anyway, it's all a scam. They're all just running a scam. Um, so at this point on the show, uh, something really interesting happens. And that is Alex Jones has Steve Watson as a guest, Steve Watson, Paul Joseph Watson's brother. What? I have never heard Paul Joseph Watson on the show in 2009 as I'm listening back to these.

And now I hear Steve Watson and boy, he is not ready for prime time. He is boring as shit. Dubbs has not been on the show. I mean, he might have been, but I haven't heard you in the two months of episodes that I've been listening to so far. He has not popped up. He's been referenced. He's definitely around.

Like he's writing and stuff like that. But Alex hasn't forced him on air yet. It appears, but Steve Watson comes on and man, I can't imagine he's on ever again. He's so boring. He is just like, it's, it's a disaster. And I have a working theory. This is my big conspiracy.

Cause I've, I found some pictures of Steve Watson. He looks a lot like Paul Joseph. It's Paul Joseph Watson and I think it might be. I think you might not exist. And what happened was Alex introduced Steve as like, uh, this perform, like, I think that Paul Joseph Watson or Steve, we'll call him Peeve, Peeve Watson, uh, decided that he wanted two paychecks and he knew Alex was never coming to England.

And so he created a brother persona in order to get two paychecks out of Alex. Okay. Now Alex is trying to push them on air. So Steve, the persona comes on and is just awful. He never comes back on, but Paul does a little bit of like a little bit of work, a little bit of reps. He's training, gets a little bit better, gets a little snarkier, okay.

Starts getting that glassy eye thing going. So he looks like he means everything he's saying comes back stronger than ever. Steve never shows back up on air. Paul Joseph Watson takes the mantle out of the Watson and now Steve fades into the background, much like Paul Joseph Watson appears to be in 2009. That's my theory. I have nothing to base that on, except for a picture that I saw of Steve Watson, who looks very similar to Paul Joseph Watson, which also could be his brother.

Yeah, I could very well be his brother. That is a long way to go. It's a long way for Paul to go. I'm going to be honest with you. I'm leaning towards that theory more than I am that Paul has a brother. I've got to amuse myself somehow while I listen to this episode. Paul, Paul has a brother who's exactly as crazy as Paul. Yeah, apparently.

That seems unreasonable. Or in the early days, they got on the same page about like, we can make some money off this and then it just sort of outgrew itself and how they're in too deep. Does he have the same posh British accent? Or is he like, does he have, is he like from? It's pretty similar. No, it's pretty similar, but it's low. It's low energy.

It's very, and that might just be because of the time zone difference. Quite frankly, calling from London. See, cause now I'm thinking Paul Joseph Watson puts on the Steve persona, but just hams it up with a Dick Van Dyke kind of cockney accent. And just really goes hard on it. No, no, no, no, no. No, he doesn't do that. Similar enough voices that I believe they're from the same area.

But we're not going to listen to any of it because he's just so boring and awful. And we are going to go on to Alex's next guest though, which is a hard hitting interview that he has. This should surprise nobody. But I've only had him on once about three or four months ago. And I wanted to get him back on because we had a lot of questions from listeners out there about how does a box the size of a water cooler without the water bottle on top produce seven and a half gallons of water a day in normal humidity?

What's the, what's in the box? It produces water in the desert. How does that work? So we have the, what's in the box founder of a color blue, uh, the designer. And, uh, he is also, uh, of course, the, uh, individual who we have on air with us. And so he's perfect to be able to discuss all these things. And, uh, he's a Tyler Palmer. Tyler, I appreciate you coming on with us.

Uh, Cola blue, Tyler, what's in the box? Cola blue is one of Alex's big sponsors. What's in the box? Tyler, Tyler, what's in the box? They just talk about how great his water filters are for about half an hour. So sweet. That's great. Um, towards the end of the show, I mean, that's just another example.

So it just does a boring interview with one of his sponsors. That sucks. But it's clear that he does this all the time. He has Ted Anderson on and then Bob Chapman is just a subsidiary arm of, uh, Ted Anderson's old sales. Yeah, he has the, uh, soap limerick guy on all the time. Love me, the soap. And now we, we introduced this, that he has the Cola blue guy, uh, water filter

sponsor on as a guest. It's clear he has to do this. Yeah. It's clear that there's some sort of a brokering of like you sponsor my show and I'll let you come on and spout some nonsense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now granted, this guy doesn't say anything that's like as funny as a limerick or anything like that.

It's disappointing. Um, but it is like just an infomercial. He's just Alex is offering infomercial space on his show because he's fucking desperate. He is not doing well in 2009. I can guarantee that based on a number of the indications that I see. Yeah. You see Bob Chapman come in and be like next week, the gold prices are skyrocketing.

They're going to be three billion. The only function of that is to be like, buy it now. We need you to buy it now. Right. This like, you know, do an infomercial for the water sponsor. Maybe you get a couple extra bucks from him, right? Whatever. So towards the end of the show, Alex decides like, I'm no transition.

This I'm going to take some calls and they're all pretty boring. But there's one caller says something that I think is pretty funny. I want to send, send you my thing. I can't find you address anywhere on the, what is wrong with your site? Why is it an abortion? Basically your site is an abortion. I cannot find anything because you have all the stuff. I don't mind having the advertising, but the rest of the space could you have

like little blocks for little segments so that we can go to whatever segment of the site we want to go to? My site is an abortion. Well, that's a, thank you. Thank you. I'm a, I access, I try to access your site and I go berserk trying to find simple things. No, I hear you and I appreciate your call.

Okay. Your website sucks. I love that. Yeah, I do too. I love that he's taking calls for people who are just whining about shit. Dude, get some fucking web design going. I can't even find anything. And also, let me start telling you about your, your tone of voice.

I don't think I don't like it. Some people like to listen to you. I don't like to change your voice. I'm still going to listen. Anyways, anyway, your website's an abortion. Thank you. I'll take my answer off. So that's it for the six.

What do those people hope happens? I don't know. Well, well, you told Alex that he needs to change his website. It's in God's hands now. Yeah. Maybe he'll change his website. Yeah. So that ends the sixth.

That's a Friday show. So there's nothing on the seventh and we get to the eighth and the eighth is a disaster. It's mostly just him reading a bullshit article by Curt Nimmo that we don't need to really go into. Nope. And then a lot of the episode also is about, again, these states declaring their sovereignty narrative, which we've already sort of discussed.

Um, uh, but Alex does say this. And this is the only thing I think is, uh, it all got my, my, uh, my, my ears perked up at all. The good news is all these yuppies who've been laughing at me and who've helped this happen, they're going to lose everything they've got. Just understand we're all going to get hurt in this, but at least the scum is going to get hurt too. Now a lot of the scums are going to try to join this to get power.

Imagine every control freak, every nobody who can't build a business, who can't run a company, who, who never creates anything. They're all going to have their own little uniforms on power trips with all these roid head cops who've been in Iraq confiscating guns, killing 1.3 million. They're all coming home to America to drink our country's blood down. Okay. So, uh, that's very anti troops and anti police. Yeah, there's a lot going on there too.

That's just like, uh, I, I feel, I feel like from his perspective, the, what he's trying to be the, uh, customer facing persona, the idea of like, yeah, we're going down, but they're getting hurt too, probably isn't, that's not good. That's not like, that's not in line with what he wants his listeners to think. Right. I mean, like that's, that's petty and bitter. Yeah. That sounds right.

Well, yeah, but you don't want that, you don't want that presentation. Oh, no, no. Well, he's petty and bitter. He's, he's been petty and bitter for how many years now? I think he was petty from the start. Oh yeah. Not undoubtedly. Absolutely.

I have a working theory that if his dad just would have made him feel smart, uh, fascism would have had a much difficult time, much harder time taking root in, uh, in American society. Yeah. I think that, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, uh, fascism has a long and storied past with the United States. Sure. It would have come in some other way, but this route that it did go, uh, if Alex

Jones's dad would have just made him feel smart. It's weird that, uh, the, uh, my perception of the downfall of America, uh, all traces back to the info wars, human resources director. That's a good point. It's weird. That's a weird way to view the, uh, fall downfall of America. So February 9th, 2009 is also kind of, uh, not much. There's not much going on on that show.

Uh, and to illustrate how little I think is going on. The only thing that I think is worth mentioning is that this is the first time I've heard this theme music that I think is one of the most out of place things ever on Alex's show. Uh, this, I think is its debut. So real quick, we'll get back to the clip, but like he's using it as a coming in from commercial. Whereas.

Oh, that's how he goes always going out. So now it's, I think he's debuting is like, Oh, this isn't fit here. This could go like as a soft reminder that it's time for a commercial break, but coming in is jaric. Yeah. But it really genetic engineering DNA altering systems. They are testing how to cover it up in the media, how to spin it, how to control the watchdog groups that pop up to fight it.

They cannot focus on what he's saying. They've been testing soft kill weapons in Africa, Latin America, Asia. And now the soft kills coming here. And what is Bill Melinda Gates Foundation trying to do? Engineer mosquitoes where you, even if you don't want to take vaccines, the mosquitoes bite you and deliver it. Okay. That sounds like it was from Final Fantasy four.

Like no, but, uh, we want to, uh, compose that, right? Oh, man, it's so mellow. It's so, so mellow. It's very comforting. It's like you're going through a dungeon and it's a, it's like an ice dungeon, like to, to your tastes, it would be like a Zelda dungeon. You know what I'm saying? Like an underwater level in Donkey Kong country.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something serene. Yeah. Like, yeah, I don't know, man. It's very weird, but also that end part is so stupid.

He's, uh, working off this really, uh, incomplete, uh, understanding of an article that he read about, uh, little mosquitoes, little mosquito drones being able to be, uh, created. I like it. Well, the idea that they'd be able to vaccinate people is, uh, absurd because with mosquito drones. Well, the problem is that being able to make something small enough that they would be largely undetected and be able to fly around and zap people with

vaccine with enough vaccine payload. Well, I mean, you'd only be able to have like one person worth of vaccine. And that would be like, if you're trying to hit an adult, that's a milliliter. Yeah. That's pretty big for a mosquito drone. Uh, and then beyond that, just like the, the, uh, energy, like capacity that it would need to fly around a milliliter would be pretty ridiculous. Uh, people have gone on record and specified that like that technology is,

is cost prohibitive. It doesn't exist. And no one would be motivated towards creating it. Why not? Cause you'd, why not, Dan? It'd be insane. And then you ask why I ask why. And then the further issue is that like different vaccines that you need,

like a flu vaccine or an MMR or whatever, like make some more mosquitoes. Well, but some of them require sub dermal, uh, injections. Some are subcutaneous, like make hornets. They would need like, they'd need to be like specifically able to make specific injections that would be, there's, it's just put a brain in them. It's the craziest idea. Put a human brain in them. See now, now a little rat braided.

Now we're there. That, because if you're talking about them being drones, then I mean, what you would have is you'd have to have someone operating them. And so you'd have to have someone flying around a little tiny mosquito with a milliliter worth of, what do you think the Nintendo switch was invented for? Dan's good point. That's what it's all about. So then you would stick someone with this milliliter and then you'd have to go

back to home base or you would expect like it's just going to be lost. This, this, this little mosquito drone is going to be lost in the field. Which happens with mosquitoes a lot. And then you're out a million dollars or whatever. It doesn't really work. There's a lot of like sort of just fundamental questions that Alex isn't asking about these technologies. He's trying to scare his audience about it.

I like it. I, there's a lot to like. Don't get me wrong. There's a lot to like in terms of the fancifulness of it, but I want mosquito also, um, if you had that kind of a drone, you were trying to use it in any precise way about like landing on someone and sticking them. Yeah, you have to worry about wind, uh, because they're too small, uh, that they'd be, it'd be almost fly through wind.

That's fine. Also have to worry about like, what are you using a propeller? Like, how are you doing this? You'd have to worry about little wings. It doesn't work that way. Mosquito wings. You can't do that. You just really, really what you're doing is just putting a little robot

brain on a mosquito. I can't do that. Then you have to worry about humidity, uh, it would be just like, there's so many factors involved that just make this like Bill Gates would shrink it. Bill Gates would sit down and be like, I love solving problems. I'm going to punt. This one is not for, no. Different track.

All right. I'm listening. You build a giant mosquito robot. Shrink it down. I'm nodding. Shrink it down. Oh, so you got to build. Now the issue is, the issue is the shrink rate all along.

Dad, that's been the whole problem from the start. There's no doubt about that. And we know that the shrink rate technology is possible. Can I tell you about something happened to me back when I lived in Hawaii? You got drunk? No. So I, uh, honey, I shrunk the kids in Hawaii. I got involved in a, uh, invention, uh, contest back when I was like in third

grade or something like that. All right. And so what I did is I created a, uh, a multi-use tool that would clean barbecue grills because there's a bunch of different things that you need, like a scraper, you need the, the bristles, you need like, right, a bunch of things. You got to do the whole thing. I'm in fucking third grade. I didn't realize this probably existed already, but I made a prototype of this,

uh, you know, multi-purpose tool for cleaning barbecue grills. Um, and I entered it in this exchange, this contest of inventions and I lost. And they gave you a mosquito as a reward. No, I lost to this girl who had invented, uh, hypothetical, uh, shrink and, uh, expanding Ray, uh, and her proof of concept was a Hershey's kiss and then a giant Hershey's kiss. And she's like, you would, you would, you would hit the, the Ray and then it would turn into that.

I'm like, that doesn't exist. She showed the scene from a Willy Wonka, the chocolate factory where they shrink him down made me furious. She, she's just, she calls it the Mike TV machine. I'm still mad about this. That was in third grade. It's like, I put work into this. That was her proof of concept.

She just bought a giant Hershey's kiss. Yeah. Let me. All right. Well, I'm sold. I'm sold. How did she do? She won.

No, I mean, like later on in life, how's her shrink rate work? Oh, I lost track of her. She probably lost track of her. She probably is working on a giant mosquito technology. All right. Well, that's good. Yeah. So, and it was winning that contest that propelled her, that gave her the

self-confidence necessary to pursue a career in giant mosquito making technology. And you know what, Dan? You're trying to step in the way. You know, what makes me most furious is that like, I'm sure she doesn't even remember it. I'm sure that's not even a memory for her. And for me, it's like, what could have been if I had just won that contest? Uh, so, Jordan, we move on to February 10th now, uh, Tuesday.

And here's where, uh, shit gets fairly interesting. Uh, and Alex says a bunch of really stupid shit that'll be fun to talk about. Uh, it starts with him, uh, getting back on his bullshit a little bit about, uh, saying gross things about abortion. Yeah. And I only kept this in because I've tried to find the specific case he's talking about and I can't, and I just don't think this happened. I read that, uh, mainstream news story about the baby letting

you get to the abortion clinic for a seven month abortion, partial birth. The doctor doesn't show up on time. She has the baby. So they grab the baby, throw it on the ground, try to bash its brains out. This is in mainstream news. Then take it and throw it a dumpster and it died of exposure. Cockroaches chewing on it. And people went in the comment section of info wars and said, I was making

it up. Yeah. They don't even go to the news article and read it. You just can't handle the truth. You can't handle it. So I looked for this. I can't, they, they didn't read the original article. How would they find it?

Did you link to it? No. Okay. I'm not disputing that there might be some sensationalized bullshit article that he's talking about. I don't know. I haven't found it, but I did look into all of this. Like, you know, there is a lot of instances of babies and dumpsters and stuff

like that, fetuses and dumpsters. And most of the time, if you look at the stories, they are not abortion clinics. They are people who have the baby and want to keep it secret, whether it's an abusive spouse, abusive partner, or just like a, I don't want to deal with this kind of situation. Generally speaking, in the same way that when he talks about like kids being kept in cages, not in terms of the immigration stuff, but like in terms of he's like these pedophile networks are keeping kids in cages.

Yeah. When you look at the instances of times the kids have been found in cages, it's almost always their parents keeping them in cages. It's parental abuse. And the stories that I kept finding when I looked into this and tried to dig it up, I don't even want to talk about them because they're horrifying and gross, but they are instances of people who had got pregnant. They didn't take care of it.

They got no, I don't know why even these articles a lot of the time say it's unclear why they didn't deal with this. Yeah. But then they end up having the baby at home and then throw it in a dumpster. Like as if that is going to deal with the issue. One of them was a, was like a sorority college student and she had the baby in her bathroom and then put it in a trash bag and threw it in the dumpster and then texted her boyfriend, no baby.

So like, wow, no more baby or something like that. Wow. Now, to the extent that I didn't find like a police report on this, I'll say that I, I'm going to take this with a grain of salt, but I think it was in like the new republic or something like that. So it's not like some mega, it's not like some place that makes up things. Whole claw. Yeah.

They have a, they definitely have a bias and shit like that. But it's not like it's going to, look, the, the issue is you have stuff like this and then you have stuff like, you know, Kermit Gosnell, that abortion doctor who was cutting up babies and stuff like that, who was just a monster. That's not a story about abortion being a problem. That's a story of a fucking psychopath. Yeah. So you have a couple of instances like this that you can find and Alex is, as

best I can tell, he's trying to turn the, the fear of the, the reality of people like Gosnell and these people who do this to their own child and apply that to abortion as a whole and it's fucking disgusting. It's, it's, well, I think my problem plays on stuff that's real. No, no, no, I, I got disgusted. My problem is what he described was a cartoon where the, the doctor steps out for a second and the door gets locked behind him and then the baby comes flying out and it's sliding around on the floor.

Well, all the nurses are trying to slam it with hammers and they can't get it because it's too quick. It's sliding across the room like a grease pig and then it dies of exposure. It's too cold. There's a couple of busty ladies chasing the fetus around. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. A cop with a billy club.

Yeah. It's, um, it, it, it, it, it, why we couldn't catch that baby. Well, also the idea too is just like this. I, uh, like they beat, they beat up the fetus. Yeah. What are you talking, that's what I'm saying. It sounds like there are people with hammers. Like there are always just people with big foam mallets at an abortion clinic.

Like, well, if the, if the baby comes flying out of there, we got to be, we got to have backup for this abortion. I would say that like since the seventies, uh, especially abortion clinics and people who work at them are pretty keenly aware that people want to kill them. Uh, and, uh, I generally think that they would, uh, uh, be much more aware. So even if you wanted to do what we just were sarcastically, uh, discussing as like a possibility, they'd be like, no, yeah, I think, I think, uh, they go far more by the books.

And that's why whenever these things come out by like James O'Keefe or the center for medical progress, it's always crazy edited videos. Uh, and it's always, uh, uh, outright manipulation to try and make these people look like they're doing the things that they want their listeners to be afraid that they're doing when they're not. Right. So, hmm, but that leads back to my, my long, my long held belief that, uh, don't

worry about them. Like, I like it because there's nothing you can do. There's no amount of purity that you can, they're going to portray you as what they want you to be, no matter what, like, don't even, like what, who gives a shit? Like, don't, don't fucking deal with these people. Like what Obama never had a chance. It'd be, they would never have given him a shock.

It would be so great if you just like, uh, just suck my balls. Yeah. Just swung it. Just swing your dick on the table. That's, that's my, that's my issue with liberals. We don't swing our dicks on the table. Conservatives swing their dicks all around. I think it's fine for, I'm coming around to your position a little bit more.

Um, and I think that a lot of my positions need clarification, uh, like in terms of like what people think I believe in versus what I actually do, um, in terms of like, what is the right decorum and stuff like that. Uh, I, I don't, I don't think it's wrong to scream at anybody who's involved with Trump, but now I mean, I never did. I didn't think it was the, the line that I had for the longest time was like, well, we're going to have to eventually figure this out and eventually we're going to have to work things out and eventually there are people who are

conservative, who are, come from a good faith position and we should not, uh, abuse them in the same way that we would abuse, uh, people who are of the Nazi persuasion and the more time goes on and the, the less and less I hear any of those voices, right? Uh, the more it becomes very clear to me that, uh, the priority is the people who's, uh, existence is in jeopardy. Uh, and, uh, you go ahead and go ahead and paint conservatives with a broad brush.

Yeah, I don't care. Yeah, maybe six, nine months ago, I kind of cared a little bit about the idea of like, let's be fair to people and not put them in these groups. Uh, but now, especially with, uh, the stuff that we're seeing now with like the, uh, you know, you can see these polls of, of conservatives, uh, like just broadly supporting everything that's horrible that Trump does. And you just see that and you're like, well, this does not track. I apologize to those 20% or whatever that aren't on board, but fuck you.

Because the other 60% is going to kill my friends and that's not cool. Yeah. It's, it just always goes back to like, think about who's standing around you. Yeah. When you're, when you're at a rally, look around. Do you want to be at that rally? And if you're one of the 20% of conservatives who's like, I don't want to be at that rally, but I'm still calling myself a conservative.

Well, then you're at that rally. So go fuck yourself. It's that classic thing of like, if you're cool hanging out with Nazis, you are a Nazi. They know there's not, there's not a thin line there. There's not, there's not a line at all. You just are. Yep.

Um, and I know everyone can, blah, blah, blah, keep saying Nazi, whatever. It, it, it's, it's, no, they're Nazis. That's relevant. I, I, I read this Washington post article that was about the Wapo. The, yeah, I'm talking Wapo. That's my new, uh, my new show that'll be on AMC. Not article. Yeah.

Talking Wapo. Yep. Now that there's hard books out, I'm in. Walk and Po talking. Uh, strong, no, I read this like opinion piece that was like, Sarah Huckabee Sanders should not have been kicked out of that restaurant.

I agree with you that Nazis are bad. I've seen that take we need to, and I like one of all the things to care about right now, what Sarah's Huckabee fucking Sanders is allowed to do. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. Even if I, even if I agreed with him in the longer sense, uh, we'll get to that later, dude, we'll get to 10 years from now. Whenever these, whenever all of this shit is behind us, which it won't be,

but then we can talk about decorum for right now. Let's bail on decorum and get refugee children back to the parents. But I honestly think that that conversation is even like a disservice to the reality of the world. You know, like even the civility conversation that seems to be happening on, uh, on, uh, the internet, I think even that is like, we should just reject that, like we shouldn't even, it shouldn't even have like those sorts of articles just hardpass.

No, thank you. No, not, not interested because the responses are all just a waste of time. And they all seem to boil down to, especially from the right, the responses to Sarah Huckabee Sanders not being allowed to eat at this restaurant in Virginia seem to be the, like, Oh, but what about the people who won't bake a cake? Right. And it's like, well, your actions are different than you being a part of a

protected class. The civil rights act exists. And then you, did you see that? No, it's equivalent. They, uh, loved each other and we're not bothering anybody and got married and would like a cake for that. And she is the lying mouthpiece of an organization that is tossing, uh, uh, innocent people into jail all the time, all the time.

Speaking of the civil rights act, did you see that, uh, video of, uh, Jordan Peterson being interviewed by Jim Jeffries? No, I heard about it though. It's, it's basically just, I mean, Sam Cedar does this with, uh, libertarians all the fucking time. Yeah. Just brings up the idea of the civil rights act and like, okay. So based on the argument that you're making, you think the businesses shouldn't

be able to serve black people if they don't like them. And they're like, yeah. And they all, they all basically waffle right about that. They all just fall apart. And the fact that Jim Jeffries brings this up to Jordan Peterson about his idea of the gay cakes, uh, shit. And he's like, I might be wrong. What the fuck is wrong?

Well, that was quick. How did you not think of this? I, that's, that's, I mean, the most basic rebuttal that anyone could make. And the fact that he, oh God, it was disastrous. When I saw that, I'm like, how dare you show your face in public again? Yeah. How, how dare you tweet ever again? You need to go on hiatus.

Like this is the intellectual version of like, I got to go to rehab. Yeah. I got to go to, yeah, it's perfect. I have, that is the, that is the perfect, uh, analogy for that. It's like some celebrity who'd gotten trouble, got a little too buck wild one night and then they're like, all right, I don't want everyone to hate me. I'm going to rehab. Go away then film Iron Man.

That's what you got to do. Exactly. You got to go away to come back. You're going to be huge. Sign a 10 picture deal with not being a homophobe. Exactly. Yeah. Um, so now, um, we get to this next clip and this is, this is pretty weird.

And I will say, um, I find, I find this, uh, distasteful on a lot of levels. And I think actually Alex Jones is, uh, against his libertarian values in this, uh, this next clip, which I find, uh, kind of delightful. He first, they sell you on getting rid of the old people saying, well, they have a right to die with dignity. They'll cut to some person and 75 years old and excruciating pain saying, I deserve to be able to commit suicide. Yeah.

Agreed. Hey, Bubba, nobody's stopping you from going to the dentist to have a tooth pulled and getting a whole bottle of, uh, hydrocodone and going home and turning your lights out. Well, see what they claim. Oh, they can't get access to suicide. Oh. So he, that's a long pause that he has, but I want to address this

cause he's going to say some other shit. But like before that, the, the, the very easy rebuttal to this is like, I believe that libertarians do believe that you have the right to end your own life. If you are in excruciating pain or something like that, that is absolutely a libertarian position. Right. You have the right over your own body and what have you to the extent, uh,

of that, um, him saying, no one's stopping you from going to the dentist and getting a ton of hydrocodone. As you pointed out the law, as I'm pointing out, okay, in order for you to do that, you now need a dentist who's willing to be your accessory in your suicide of yourself. You get a black market dentist or you need to conveniently need dental surgery and then pay for that. And along the way, get hydrocodone.

Have you ever been to the dentist? You already want to kill yourself. Right. Right. It's going to, it's going to fuel the process, but like no matter what, you're going to need assistance. Somehow you're going to need to eat assistance getting that hydrocodone or you're going to need Kevorkian, you know, like you need one of the two, uh,

and there's no way around that. Also, I don't understand his point. We'll get to it here in a second. So, but, but because what I'm hearing right now is him saying, people want the right to die. Right. And then he says, well, nobody's stopping you from finding a way to kill yourself. His whole point is that like, uh, that the, uh, people who are arguing that

like old people should be able to choose to die with dignity, which I think is probably the better way to phrase it. Yeah. Uh, the, those people, uh, yeah, of course you agree with that, but what that's really about is instituting death panels and shit like that. That's fast. Yeah. That's, but that's his argument.

And to, to, to that, I say, I reject the premise. Like that doesn't make any sense at all, but then his idea is like, you shouldn't need the law to come in, uh, and make it okay for someone to help you die because that's just going to get other people who don't want to die killed, whereas you should just be able to go, or you'd not be able to, you specifically should just go to your dentist and get a bunch of pills and then kill yourself, right? Or what do you suggest next?

If you can't go in the kitchen and turn the gas on, if you can't go in the garage and close it and turn the car on, shut up, you want to kill yourself. Go ahead. The whole point here is that they want to pass a law saying the government decides when to kill us through their bioethicist boards that is neo eugenics. Nope. Nope. All of those things.

Killing old people is neo eugenics. It's, uh, I don't know what the opposite of, I know, I was, I was just thinking the same thing. I was like, oh, come on, come on. Our, hey, oh, you, Jenner, Jerry, oh, Jennings. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, again, I reject the premise, uh, because

I don't know if you've ever watched any documentaries about, uh, people who, uh, choose to end their own life. Uh, like with assisted suicide and like there's a couple of states that allow it. Yeah. I've seen, I've seen something. Uh, no one, no one's forcing anybody to do anything. Like it's, it's not, you have to go through, well, even Kevorkine, you had to go through like three different interviews and he had to be like, you

need a proof of psychological evaluation. You need to go through the whole thing. It's crucial that people have consent and it's, it's the, they are deciding like, I have a disease. It's going to be super painful and is going to be a miserable experience to go through. I would rather check out now when I can be around my loved ones. Um, and what have you.

And so the idea that he's like, no, this is just a slippery slope. That's cruel. That's very cruel. Um, and then also the, the anger that he is expressing with the, you can't turn on the gas, you can't turn on the gas or something like that. That's dangerous. That's really, you could get everybody else around you kill. You could blow up a house if you just turn on your gas and then off yourself,

especially like if you're a single person and there's no one to find you, you could fill up your entire house with gas. You could blow up a block. And then also the, uh, the, um, you know, if you just do that, the exhaust in your, uh, your garage one, you might kill your kid. Like if you do that and they stumble in and find you, there's a decent pass out and there you go. It's not super likely, but it's possible.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of real serious problems with that. Like idea that like, here's how you do it. Here's how you do it. If you want to do it, stop trying to get people to give you a, uh, lethal injection that you ask for around your loved ones. When you just go to check out. Noticeably absent, uh, guns. Well, they're, they're never used in suicides.

Doesn't that like, cause that's your first thought because that's a, that's just a button. Never, that's a button that says, fuck that noise, which is what I, I, cause I don't want to bring that up because almost all gun deaths, uh, like many of them are suicides, something like 40, 40 to 60%. Yeah. Something insane because I, and as far as the law goes, like, I think for me, the law should just be like the, uh, a fuck that noise law, whereas like, oh,

you've got stage four cancer and you get to press a button that says fuck that noise, get on out. You know, like that kind of thing at your own, um, yeah, uh, the way you want to go, like if you want to go sleepily with drugs, then go sleepily with drugs. If you want to, I mean, this is weird and maybe I'm going too far with this. Now we're going to just dream up scenarios for us to kill ourselves delightfully. If you want to safely shoot yourself, I think you should be able to do that. Yeah, that's fine.

Like under, like cause some people maybe don't want to take drugs and doze off or maybe I don't know, I would certainly, you might get, you might get sick though. And you might throw it up. You might do that whole thing or maybe you're weird in your last moments. You don't want that. Now you are like blacked out and say some shit you shouldn't say like because of the drugs, maybe the last moment with your family is you saying like, I was part of the La Fonsa, something like that.

Like I'm the green river killer. I'm DB Cooper and yeah, you might see now that's cause that's the thing that I would want to do is I would want to leave a big ass mystery. You might be super high on whatever those death drugs are. And then you're like, I'm going to pull a prank. And then I'll tell them I got you. Oh no, I can't, but in order to avoid that, maybe you want to shoot yourself. And there's ways to do that safely.

But you know, there's a, I just, I disrespect this position. I really hate it. I know that he's afraid of Obamacare and all that stuff. And I get, I get why he wants to spread his political fear, but the real world impact of this is really, really ugly. And that's, as you said, you know, that's specifically against his principles because that is denying you your choice. Yeah, absolutely.

Well, at the same time, he's trying to protect his ideas by saying, you can go kill yourself. We just shouldn't allow it under the law. Right. Like that doesn't make any sense. No. So what else doesn't make sense is Alex, at this point, gets into, remember he was talking about how the, uh, the, they want to

steal your baby. They've always wanted to do that. Right. Right. So they want to give you unless it slides out and then is on the floor and you're, they want to kill your baby, but failing that they want to steal it. Love the conception of these people. And then get this, Alex on this show role plays what it's like when a nurse is

with a pregnant lady. Oh yes. I want to hear this. The nurse sits there and ask your wife right in front of you. Do you have any problems at home? And she'll say, Oh, sir, will you go file this? Take this to the nurse downstairs for me. And then as soon as you leave the room, this is how they do it.

They go, do you feel safe at home? You got enough money or bills tough. And there's the trusting woman sitting there about to have her baby. And if she's going into labor and the nurse is smiling, honey, you need a cup of water and then she's putting in the, in the computer. And if you say you're having money troubles, they come snatched your children. That's fast. That is fast.

They don't even ask to see a budget. The grace of God though, the CPS is huge, but they're usually so busy, kidnap another kids that a lot of times they can't show up to kidnap yours. Oh, okay. Okay. Cool, man. Well, that is good luck for me. For everyone.

That's like the, the IRS is under staff. So you're probably don't even need to pay your taxes. Now here's my nightmare story that happens all the time. Now, if it has happened to none of you, don't be surprised because they're too busy doing it to everybody else. Now you probably haven't experienced this, but everyone else has. Please don't talk amongst yourselves about how this never happens. That's so ridiculous.

I love that. The layers of that conversation too. You need a water. You want some water? Oh honey. Oh, you're having money troubles. Steal that baby. Steal it.

Put it in the paperwork. She's got to steal the baby. Like she's got a little, she's got like a little, uh, uh, bank teller secret alarm button underneath the little thing. This is crazy. But this is, I mean, this does make sense. I mean, it is, it is in line with this, this, um, this worldview that he has about families and stuff like that and how they're like, shouldn't fucking have anybody

get involved with them. And it's like, well, there does need to be an implement of the state if kids are being abused and stuff like that. Like you do need some sort of recourse again. No. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Well, I don't like that. There you go. I don't like that. Um, so in this next clip, we, we get a trend that we see over and over again in Alex's, uh, world, uh, and that is that he says one, uh, positive, uh, uh, adjective and he's really talking about white people. Here we are. We are going into the control grid and with it comes the face scanning cameras,

the secret police all over England. Now, if you're at the park or walking on the street, it's happened to me, but not just me, I watch him walking up to mainly clean cut, good-looking families. They leave all the people that the public's told us is for the illegal aliens, the foreigners alone. Okay. Foreigners. So clean cut, good-looking families.

Yes. White people. Well, white people, clean cuts, good-looking family, good-looking families. Now they leave everyone who looks like they're foreigners alone. Right. That could be anybody. Certainly not clean cut, good-looking family. Our first lady isn't even from here.

She's not even a citizen. Let's not talk about her. Um, so I don't know. I mean, it's just, it's a, it's a hot mess. So, um, I only, I know that this is repetitious, but there is a, there's a method to my madness, to a certain extent, and just remind it. We need constant reminders that when he talks about positive things, it does seem to be like he's talking about white people and there's a differentiation

between people who are weird and different, uh, and clean cut American, good family, which again, this is the weakest link. It's so obvious what he's doing because he's terrible at it. Right. You go to a place like, well, any of, I mean, even like all the mainstream conservative outlets are just running towards his side. The guy, the guy who said you're out of your cotton pickin' mind. Like you, you are running towards Alex Jones.

They used to be better at it. They used to be, they used to have the slightest of winks to where you're like, wait, is that a dog whistle? I don't even know. This is the thing that I never predicted. Uh, and I don't even think this was the case at the election. I'm not, I'm not a hundred percent sure. Cause I was not a scholar of Fox news per se.

Um, but I never would have predicted even in, uh, 2016 that what we would end up with is Fox news becoming like Alex Jones. Oh yeah. Like I didn't think that what would happen is that we would experience that, but like that is what's happening. Like a law. Yeah. The, the, the overwhelming portion of right wing media is now blending

towards Alex. Well, they have to, I mean, well, I mean, in, in they do, they do kind of have to in order to continue or completely change, right? Well, they would have to completely change. Exactly. In order to continue existing as they are, they have to bequeath ground to the Democrats or, or something or the left. Yeah.

Yeah. And they can't do that. So you have to, because the reality is he's doing everything that you said your, that you said Obama was doing, you have to make up reasons to disbelieve it and the more reasons you make up to disbelieve things, the best way to disbelieve something is to create something else to believe in. I eat the globalists. Right.

So there you go. Now we call it the deep state on, uh, Fox news or, uh, any of those things in order to, cause they're smart enough to know like about the connotations of using this specific language. Yeah, they're not going to use globalist world. Yeah. Uh, but it's, it's wild, man. It's, it's, uh, I don't, I don't know how to deal with it.

No, I, I, I don't think Sean Hannity is anything other than Alex Jones in 2015. Totally. Yeah. It's the same guy. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, Brian Kilmeade the other day, he was on Fox and friends and he was

talking about the, uh, the kids, uh, at the camps and he was the one who said they're not our kids, not our kids that have compassion, but right. And there was, uh, there was another, uh, clip that was circulating from years ago of him on Fox and friends talking about how, um, America has not had like, uh, ethnic purity or something like that. Talking about like, uh, Scandinavia and country, they marry each other, but we marry other breeds and races and stuff like that. It's like, oh man.

Yep. This is so overt. Yeah. No, they're, they're a giant Nazi network. They're a Nazi network. Isn't that crazy? I saw some, I saw, uh, although at the same time I saw a regular Fox news, uh, like, like the news part.

Oh, cause all of that, that they, that we talk of as Fox news is, uh, they're, they're opinion programming shows. Yeah. Yeah. They're, they're opinion programming that presents itself exactly like their new shows. And I saw one of their regular Fox news shows and it was like, Oh, you guys actually do news.

Oh, look at you. You're cute. Like it was cute to see them try and do news. It is cute. Yeah. What's about to happen is not cute. Um, so at this point on the 10th of February, 2009, Alex Jones has on as a guest gentleman by the name of Charles Key.

You might remember him cause I brought him up earlier. Yes. He's the guy from Oklahoma who is putting forth that state sovereignty bill. Is that a Danicalis, Joe? What? You might remember him. Oh, cause I brought him up earlier. Right.

Very funny. A comedian. Danicalis. Check him out. Um, he comes on as a guest now, not Danicalis. Charles Key. Um, and we find out Danny would be great on it for us. We find, we find out the reason that Alex Jones forward the last cause he's

started that on the sixth. Now we're at the 10th. One of the reasons that he's pushing the state's asserting their sovereignty narrative, it seems like it's just like, Hey, this is exciting. Another talking point for me. Right. There's a deeper reason to it. There's many rays of sunshine.

Um, the biggest one obviously is that Oklahoma passed a resolution saying we're not going to allow you in takeovers and done confiscation and you in and all this and then the feds bombs you to teach you to love them, uh, to teach you that they're the savior, uh, with Oklahoma city that you've exposed. Um, oh, now we've got it's 10 states. Now it's grown three more since last week introducing bills to say no to the feds and in there. I'm sure you've had a chance to read over some of the others.

Uh, it's saying we're not going to put up with martial law. We're not putting up with gun confiscation. We're going to instruct our state police to resist. So we're not going to put up with those things you're not doing and can't. Right. This is, um, you know what else we're going to stop it. Stop signs.

We'll do it. You can't even stop us. I don't know if that would pass as a house resolution. It's like, let's not waste our time with this. So the reason that Alex Jones is so gung-ho about this is because part of his narrative is that Oklahoma passed a resolution like this and then as a retaliatory action, they got a city in order to, and then the thunder terrorism. Right.

Now I find this week. Oh, do I do. All right. Give several examples. Why? I will in a moment. But before I do, here's my, here's my stated position about things like this. Oklahoma city is a really big issue.

If we were going to get into it, it would require a lot of research on my part. Some of it I've done already. Some might need to get deeper into the specifics of, and I don't give a shit. Right. Because I don't care about the people who died or anything like that, but because the burden of proof is on Alex. And if he wants to say that Oklahoma city was fake, that's too broad a claim. I don't know what to do with that.

I need him to give me a specific. I need him to point out one thing. And then I'll look into that and we can go from there. If he says this, that they passed this resolution and then the, uh, they got Oklahoma city, they put that bomb and the teach them cause equals effect. There's nothing I can do with that. There's no, there's no amount of research that I can do that will disprove that tenuous connection that he's trying to make.

Unfortunately, in this interview, Alex does bring up a specific. Oh, no. And I will get to it. Why does he do that? Here is what he does. Charles Key, representative in Oklahoma, spearhead of a general Benton Parton and others exposing the bombs in the buildings, the police eyewitnesses and others, the federal forces brutally tortured to death and

murdered like cop of the year. Terrence Yankee when they tried to expose it. So he's gone through that journey. So he brings up Terrence Yankee. He says Yankee, uh, cause he doesn't have a good, he's not a good broadcaster, but, um, do you know who Terrence Yankee is? No, he's a police officer, uh, in Oklahoma city who, uh, saved a bunch of people in the aftermath of the bombing.

He ended up pulling out, uh, between four and eight people from the wreckage, uh, before falling through a hole, uh, in the, uh, in the, I don't know, the building, I guess he fell two floors and injured his back. Um, and after that, he became very despondent, uh, and felt an immense amount of guilt, uh, because he got hurt and wasn't able to save more people. Right. And he ended up committing suicide in a field, uh, uh, about a year after the Oklahoma city bombing, a couple of days before he was supposed to

receive a huge honor, a big, a big award. Right. And before that he had started to say things like, I don't deserve this. Right. And things like that. Now, extreme imposter syndrome kind of thing. I've reviewed a lot of, uh, the evidence that conspiracy theorists, cause Alex right there in there, he was saying that he was tortured and then killed, uh,

because he was going to come out and reveal that it was all fake. Oh, okay. I, I thought he was saying it sarcastically because he thought he was part of the whole conspiracy. No. Okay. He believes that, and this is a, one of the major underpinnings of the Oklahoma city conspiracy is the Terrence Yakey was, uh, a cop who was involved

and he was about to go public and, uh, because he couldn't, uh, deal with it. Uh, he was making a bunch of statements to people and then they, in heavy quotes, yeah, murdered him. Right. Uh, the suicide was actually a murder. Um, and I've, I've, I've reviewed a ton of evidence of this. Uh, I've looked over everything and I am not convinced in any way that Terrence Yakey was murdered.

This looks like an all too common instance of a tragedy being compounded. The oak, uh, the Oklahoma city bombing was a complete tragedy and the suicide of police officer who by all credible accounts seems to be a good hearted man as just another layer of that tragedy. Circumstances of his death are in no way, particularly outside of what you might expect in the suicide being done by someone who has not attempted suicide before he had sooth, he had superficial cuts to his wrist and his throat, but died from a gunshot wound to his head.

This might seem strange, uh, but in reality it's a bit harder than you might expect to slash your wrist successfully. It is. So, uh, the, the circumstances were that he, uh, was in his car, uh, and he tried to slash his wrists, uh, conceivably his neck. Yeah. Um, and then, uh, there was a bunch of blood in the car and, uh, his car was left and he wandered about a mile and a half.

It's taken too long. Uh, you wandered about a mile and a half and then he was found, uh, in this field, uh, having shot himself in the head. So the issue is that it takes an amazing amount of poise. I don't know if that's the right word, but, uh, to cut yourself deeply enough to kill yourself. I know that this sounds really indelicate and awful, but it does. It's, it's a thing where you think that this sucks.

This sucks to talk about in any, in any way, but I will, uh, fine. Then I'll do it. I was there. Yeah. I did the whole thing. It's really hard to do. I speak from experience myself. Yeah.

Yeah. It's, it's, uh, you don't, you don't, God, it's ugly, but like, it's like, it's, it's really, really close to trying to, cause you're doing it with your own hands. It's really close to trying to strangle yourself with your own hands. Exactly. Yeah. It takes, it takes, um, uh, it just, you don't, you don't understand

without having gone through it or anything, the amount of like, you have to go fucking super deep and you have to really mean it. And I'm not saying he didn't mean it when he was trying to cut his wrists, but like there are ways that you can kill yourself, like overdosing or a gun shot that are more like a button that you press. Right. And like with, with taking overdosing and stuff like that, you hope in that state, you hope that it does the trick.

Right. And with the gun, it's like, you're done, but like cutting yourself is so like, you might think it's deep enough, but it's not. And I imagine in that circumstance, that might have been what he found himself in that car. Right. I'm not sure. If you're walking a mile and a half and then you shoot yourself, right?

You didn't, it wasn't there. So now to reframe things a little bit, cause this is very important. What Alex believes is that he was attacked in the car and then dragged a mile and a half and then killed at the spot point where he was found. Now, the problem that seems inefficient. Now, the problem that I have with that is why the hell would the murderers cut him up fairly cleanly, but not deeply enough to kill him, which likely would be impossible if he were fighting back in anywhere,

particularly considering that the cuts were on his wrists and his throat. You know, like he would be fighting. And then if you're trying to not kill him, but then you get deep enough cause he's fighting back, it would, there's no way to, to create that scenario without accidentally going too far. He was driving. No, cause he's parked in this, this field. Ah, he was parked.

So then they would have had to, they would have had to have done it in the car, which means that they would have had to have been in enclosed space with him. And further, any of the cuts he had would clearly cause blood stains on the murderer and more importantly, no blood stains in the car where the murderer would have been that physical evidence of a person attacking him in his car would be open and shut and it doesn't exist. Then you have to consider that these murderers would have to think it was a good idea to not kill him in the car where they've already done most of the

work, but instead drag him a mile and a half, which would take approximately 30 minutes under normal average walking conditions, but would probably be slowed down by the barbed wire fences in the way. And the very heavy human who he was six foot tall, three inches, 275 pounds. The murderer would have to be dragging, wait, what? Yeah. He was six foot, he's six, three, two, seventy five and they dragged him in their conspiracy theory a mile and a half after attacking him in the car.

He's bleeding, but not dead, possibly still conscious. They'd have to be dragging him for a mile and a half. It's very fair to assume that that would take 45 minutes to 50 minutes generously to cover that amount of ground in that conditions. The murderers would have had to for zero reason risked being out in the open with their victim mid-murder for almost an hour when at any point he could scream or anyone could accidentally stumble on their path. That makes no sense from any perspective when it could have the job that needed

to be done could have been done right there in the car. Then for no reason, they would have to choose an arbitrary spot where I guess they walked far enough where they decide to shoot Terence in the head, which they very much could have done at any point or even back at the car. There's a terrible plan and no one would have done it. It's much easier to rationalize the idea that they had tried or he had tried to slash his wrist and throat and realized he couldn't do it. He couldn't do it to the extent that would he wanted to end his life

and he couldn't do it that way. The exact reason for leaving the car is anyone's guess. I don't pretend to have any idea what it would be, but it could have been a fear that an errant shot if he was shooting himself could have blown up the car and caused excess damage to the field he was in, like a wildfire, something like that. The idea that he would wander towards his childhood hometown, El Reino, which is close to where he ended up, his body was found,

and then finish the suicide there makes total sense. I have no idea what the reality is, but there could have been a sentimental attachment to the place where he ended his life or it could just be as simple as that it's where he fell and ran out of enough strength to carry on. The idea that there was a downward trajectory to the bullet that went through his head, that is another piece of evidence that people bring up as evidence of a murder is not indicative that he didn't shoot the shot. There are a hundred different possible explanations for that.

One of the easier ones is that it would be the safest way to shoot yourself. If you're expecting a possible in and out shot, an upward trajectory could lead that bullet to hitting someone or something else. If it goes up and out beyond that, a downward trajectory kind of just feels natural. If you put a fake gun to your head like this, you know, kind of feels like there's a little bit of a downward trajectory to it. I suppose I can see that even past that a person's head could be bowed when they're doing this to themselves and that would make a downward shot also much

more likely. That seems more reasonable. So I started to look into his life. That's just the details of the actual event. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's really hard. Looking into that stuff was really tough because it's it's ugly and thinking about that stuff is never fun. Triggering.

So I read an article in People magazine that was about him and it said, quote, he joined the Oklahoma City police in 1990 and was called up for service in the Persian Gulf in December. There his duties included the mass burial of civilians killed in the war. Quote, when he came back, you could tell there was a major change in him. So his sister Vicki, he wasn't the same. There's an incredibly high likelihood that what was happening was that he suffered from PTSD and this PTSD was re triggered by his experience in the

Oklahoma City bombing. Again, from people, quote, on the night before his death, sheriff's deputies found him sitting disoriented in his car by the roadside. They brought him to his sister Vicki's house where exhausted. He spoke about the explosion, conviting that he was haunted by the images of dead children, the terror and terrified of his own nightmares, quote, I'm afraid of what I might do. He said, the former Canadian, the more details about this specific, right? The former Canadian County Sheriff Clint Bowler, that's the county that El

Reino is in. He said, who claims to have known Yakey doesn't concur with the analysis of the murder. Bowler said that Yakey showed up at his house in El Reino on the afternoon of his death. His car stopped at an angle in the middle of the road. When Bowler and his girlfriend, Kate Allen, a paramedic ran outside, they found a police officer virtually passed out, quote, he couldn't tell us his name initially, said Allen.

He was ill. He was very anxious. His heart rate was rapid. He was sweaty. He told us he'd been having concentration problems. He hadn't slept. He had all the appearances. My first guess would be of someone who was having emotional problems.

And my second guess would be, of course, some kind of substance abuse problem, but that's a pure guess. Basically they, and this again is a quote from Bowler, quote, basically they, and he's talking about Terrence's family, who he ended up calling to pick him up and ideally take him to the hospital. Terrence refused to go to the hospital and his family just let him leave. Of course. They just let him go, said Bowler.

We told those people he needed help. We knew he was suicidal. He had all the classic symptoms. It appears that Terrence suffered from a severe combination of PTSD from the horrors he experienced in the Gulf, mixed with survivor's guilt of not being able to save more people in Oklahoma City. Not to mention further PTSD from experiencing that terrorist event as well. Quote, the bombing of the Murrow building deepened Yakey's distress.

What others saw as his heroism, he regarded as failure. He'd say, had I not fallen, I could have saved more lives, recalls his biological mother, Elmar Jarrah. Terrence fell and hurt his back in his efforts to rescue people at the Murrow building, something that he was deeply ashamed about. And most likely led to him being prescribed opiates to deal with the pain. Oh, fuck me. It's unclear if that was the case, but it's it is said repeatedly that he was on a

number of medications and is a very common prescription that's made in cases of consistent pain. Quote, he was taking medications for his backs at Canadian County Sheriff Clint Bowler. He had four or five medications in his car. Terrence absolutely was at the Murrow building. He definitively saved four to eight people that day, depending on the source. And there's photographic evidence that he was there.

His ex-wife, uh, Tawny Rivera alleges that he wasn't there or that he said that he wasn't there, which indicates her either not quoting him well or testifies to him being in a very bad emotional state when he said something along those lines to her. Additionally, in a reflection of behaviors that are unfortunately common in returning soldiers struggling with PTSD, Terrence appears to have had a history of making violent threats. Quote, in a fit of temper, Yeke had once threatened to take his life and those

of his wife and children. So he had done, uh, he had been in, in that sort of state after the common that dude was fucked. It makes zero sense that quote, they would wait 13 months to kill this person who had allegedly seen evidence that the whole thing was a setup. Many of the arguments that are made involving his fall, uh, that happened while he was in his rescue efforts, uh, during, uh, during the rescue efforts, uh, have to do with the idea that he fell through some floors and then saw

undetonated bombs down there, which is made with zero evidence of anything. There's people just making stuff up in the absence of any truth or factually based indication that that is the case. People say that that, uh, is what he was dealing with. This is pure fiction used, uh, using some basic details like the fall, the tragic suicide, et cetera, and forcing them to fit the predetermined conclusion that these people want to push forth.

IE white terrorism is never real. It's always false flags done by the government meant to demonize white people and take away guns. It's incredibly disgraceful. Yep. The story goes, uh, God, I don't know how much more of this I have to read. Oh boy. So I, I'm going to be honest.

I think we're good. No, because I need to explain to you, I'll try and do this quickly. I need to explain to you that like the reason that people think that there is something conspiratorial here is not based on any real evidence of anything. It's all statements that his ex-wife Tony Rivera has made. Yeah. They all trace back to her and they don't make sense. Like I've looked through the claims that she's made.

They have no backing. There's no support to them. They're nonsensical to a certain extent. Um, so just really quick, one of the, one of the stories or the story that Alex would believe is that Terrence Yakey was handcuffed and horribly beaten in his experience at the end of his life. Sure. The conspiracy sites alleged that he had someone else's blood on him.

However, this is not from any official report. Of course. Quote, while Dr. Larry Balding, Oklahoma city's chief medical examiner, quickly ruled the death of suicide. Another medical examiner's report would, according to Tony Rivera, surface like an eerie, prescient message from the grave. This is something that his ex-wife is alleging. This mysterious second medical examiner's report, uh, doesn't even necessarily

exist based on any evidence we can come up with. I did get ahold of it. And the report said that, uh, Terry Balding, great hair. Yeah. A lot of hair. Amazing. Amazing hair. It's like a tall guy named Minnie.

Yeah. Smalls. Like a tall guy named Minnie. I don't know. But think about this. Think about why would that second medical examiner's report exist? What in what universe would that exist? Why would it be created?

Why would it also just be alleged by this ex-wife? Who is that guy? Where is that guy? Is, was he commissioned? Why would the government, if they were trying to cover things up, hire another guy to get the real story? It's completely. That doesn't make any sense.

So the other further evidence about this goes like this, quote, while attending a social function, Rivera claims her sister had a chance encounter with a mortician who worked on Yaki's body. She was discussing the strange inconsistencies of his death with someone at the party when the mortician, not knowing the woman was Rivera's sister, spoke up, quote, that sounds like just like a police officer. We worked on an Oklahoma city. He said, when asked if the man happened to be Terrence Yaki, the mortician

freaked, apparently Terrence Yaki's murderers and those covering up his death had not counted on this particular mortician's testimony. That is not a credible story in any way. They didn't count on, oh, the mortician. We didn't think about the mortician. Shit. Oh, damn it. This story that's being told is a completely unnamed alleged mortician that

Rivera is claiming that Terrence's sister ran into an unspecified social function who out of nowhere brings up that he'd seen evidence of a horrible cover up of a murder of a policeman who was involved in the Oklahoma city bombing and whose name the mortician clearly remembered. Drunk at a wake. The circumstances of the story are absurd. And without further backing, like the mortician's name, the statement that he made him coming forward, et cetera, this means nothing.

It's just another piece of dubious information coming from Miss Rivera. Now here's the problem. What's Miss Rivera's axe to grind? She has a vested interest in him not having committed suicide. Insurance. Yeah. There we go. There it is.

I'm not saying that's a hundred percent the reason that she would do this. I understand also grief. I also understand that some people are just kind of like to make stuff up. Yeah. Oh, there's those. Where would we meet those people? Right. You've never heard of there's those sorts of aspects, but at the same time,

there was a pension that she stood to be allowed if it wasn't a suicide. Yeah. And she has a very strong financial interest in terms of making it seem like and again, I just have to be clear because I know nothing about her, except for that her statements that she's made that most of the conspiracies about this guy revolve around and go back to don't make sense. Are factually inaccurate. Or there's nothing behind them.

You can't find anything. And just when you look at them like that doesn't that doesn't make sense. That would be a huge problem. That would definitely someone would definitely have documented that. Yeah. And that doesn't exist. And at the same time, she has a fucking reason in terms of getting the insurance money. So I don't know.

That's what I'm saying. So this has been my very long way of saying Alex finally brought up a specific about Oklahoma City. Yeah. I looked into it and I don't buy it. Yeah. Don't buy it one bit. Anyway, you got him.

Yeah. Get him. So hold on. Somebody knocking at the door. I don't want to do a busted up. It's too gross because I do feel so bad for the guy. I don't know what to, I don't know what to tell you. This guy was fucked.

I mean, I totally totally. This guy, yeah, this guy never had a chance. Like that's the, that's the brutal situation. And he became a hero. Yeah. Like he never had a chance and he did something so valuable with his life and it's fucked up. Yeah.

It's a tragic hero along with the like threatening to kill his kids and shit. Yeah. There's no, there's no win. No, there's no, there's no, there's no way we can sit here and paint him as an entirely positive figure. But the idea of turning him into someone who was going to unleash this information again, 13 months after he would have had that fall when he could have done any of this at any point or told people definitively what he was

going to reveal or have any of his things on a dead drop. It's just Alex Jones trying to create a, and Alex Jones and this Charles Key guy trying to create a character in their story, much the same way Alex has been trying to do with Anthony Bourdain after his suicide. Right. Right. It's the same sort of behavior and it's incredibly disgraceful. Also Charles Key.

Charles Key. Chuck. Chuckie. He also won, I believe the election right before this to the Oklahoma State Legislature. Of course he did. Oh god damn course he did. Unopposed.

Fucking fine. So he won on a technical. God damn it. So in this next clip we get to greener pastures. Okay. Now we live in a world in 2018 where everyone is screaming at members of the Trump campaign and not allowing them to eat dinner. Happily.

And it's delightful. It's wonderful. Alex is not into it. Oh yeah. Now what does he say about this sort of behavior nine years ago? I'm going to say it's okay to scream at Obama officials. I'm not saying do this. I'm saying this is what the founding fathers did.

They beat up public officials. Yep. I'm just telling you what they did in the decade leading up to 1775 when the when the British came to confiscate the guns. They had to get her ass kicked handed out flyers exposing corruption beat the shit out of they would shun bureaucrats of a bureaucrat was sitting in a in a tavern eating a steak. They'd walk up and say you're a piece of filth and a piece of garbage and they

herring and they call him out in church and they scream at him talk shit get hit. There you go. I mean Stephen Miller should have two black eyes so big he can't see it's tough to get around like him being like that's what the founding fathers would do. So I agree. I agree. Alex we finally agree. I've had DSA time out there and beat the shit out of these people.

Yeah. So I actually got to be honest. I want to get back to the OKC thing really quick here just because I'm because I feel like I didn't make my point perfectly clear. I think your point was that Carmelo had a terrible season this year and he should not have been overrated. They called it the big three. He's he had a good run.

The point that I was trying to make about this just because it's such a umbrella thing the the narrative that he's pushing about these states declaring their sovereignty is very clearly in service of those beliefs that he has about Oklahoma City. He's using this narrative in order to hope that something happens in one of those states and then he could be like it's just like Oklahoma City over again. OK. I just had to make that clear because I'm not sure if I made that point.

OK. So what you're saying is immediately like his point is immediately after Oklahoma originally did the thing right then the bombing happened to teach him a lesson. So now he's bringing attention to all of these states like as like a role in the dice like hey if something happens in any one of these damn. I got another OKC he's I can make hay. He's setting the table. Yeah.

Yeah. And what it's very clearly obvious that that's what he's doing. Gotcha. Preparatory. You're it's once you get a smell of him and you kind of get used to it. Yeah. It's so clear what he's doing is like please let someone bomb Oklahoma again. Right.

Right. Someone hit Arizona. Missouri. Right. Just come on. I want to bombing so bad. Come on. Now would be a great time for a false flag.

God damn it. I need validation. It works with my narrative. So at this point I want people to die. So I'm right Jordan. I will say that I generally hate Alex Jones's callers. They usually suck with like maybe three exceptions over the years we've done this. Yeah.

The time this guy enters the pantheon of people who I kind of dig. OK. I'd like you to know that a lot of us couples listen to your show all the time and my wife made an interesting comment. And I think I'm going to pass it on to you. She would like to see you have more women that are involved in the Patriot movement and the Second Amendment movement on your show as guests. That's just a hint.

She wanted to pass along. Also your website sucks. Your website's an abortion. Do you hear that at the end? He's like that's just a hint. Just a hint. Just a hint. A lot of a lot of couples listen to your show and it's Alex.

A lot of straight white dudes. All old weird anti-communist John Birch Society dudes. Maybe you should have some women in the Patriot. Oh, there aren't. Oh, I have Charlotte is her beat on. I can't remember any other ladies he has on. I guess Schleifley sometimes. She went on the show.

Yes. She's been on a couple of times. Phyllis. Yeah. Yeah. Remember she was on that episode that Roger Stone first. Oh, that's right. And I wanted to die.

Yeah. Yeah. Not soon enough. Not soon enough. So that caller, I give him credit for also, by the way, fuck crowd hammer. He can go. He can go fucking die again.

Sure. Um, so that's a caller who I like. I dig that guy being like, my wife wants you to know, you don't have ladies on and I fucking agree with her, but I'm still going to make it her comment. You know, that sort of thing. It's a very weird Alex Jones caller. Yeah.

Especially Billy. Especially when he's like, well, I'll tell you what, I'm just a down home country hillbilly, but I think the equal pay act should have been passed 40 years ago. That's all I'm trying to say. Now, Alex, I do declare you need to respect the voice of the ladies.

Where do women on your show? Alex, it's like a fucking feminist Foghorn Lake. No, no, no, no. Say, boy, I don't think they should be allowed to vote, but you should represent them on your show. That's not fair. I bet this guy is totally totally into women voting. Sounds like such a such a contradiction.

This guy totally. I love that's why I like it. Yeah. So I like that he's just got one progressive streak in him. Yeah. Otherwise he's a normal Alex Jones listener. Some but for some reason he's got a good wife. Something to build on.

Yeah. So I like that caller. I don't like this next caller much. You hear about that guy's wife and what she said. Fuck that lady. She's a bitch. I distribute quite a few copies of your film out to people. Here we go.

Have you heard of anybody else that has been more or less what a friend of mine called Black Bagged? Back several weeks ago, when me and the wife came in, we detected that somebody had been in the house, maybe. There didn't seem to be anything missing or disturbed too much. And I thought it was just our imagination until I looked at the original copies of your DVDs. And every last one of them, it looked like somebody took sandpaper

and went from one side to the other round. Stay there. I'll tell you what's going on when we get back. OK. I had something to finish with. My wife also said he don't have enough women. Need more ladies. So somebody broke in.

This guy got Black Bagged. To his apartment or home. You can do it. It's Black Bagged. He got Black Bagged. Nothing was moved. You don't need to describe it. He got Black Bagged.

But somebody. Everyone knows what Black Bagging is. Pulled out the DVDs. So somebody, first off, knew this guy. This is an inside job. Somebody knows that he has these DVDs in there. He's probably, well, not just that. Maybe he's blabbed.

Maybe he was at a local bar. Now we've got a fed in-house. So many possibilities. Terrified. Terrified. This is the game that you play when you get out there and you try and push Patriot DVDs. So I would say, if I were Alex, I'd be like, sir,

do you have any pets? That'd be my first question. And then I would say, where are you keeping those DVDs? Is it possible that you kept them in an unsafe place and you ended up scratching them? Because that happens a whole bunch. I did leave them dangling precariously above my circuit saw.

And my sandpaper collection. My sandpaper collection. My sandpaper garden. I did don't keep them in my sandpaper garden. See, now I'm imagining like a philatelist. Like he's got them all on pins. Now, most of my furniture is cactus-based. There's 100 explanations I could come up with for how

a DVD gets scratched other than what breaks in. All of my blankets are woven from my own stubble. So yes. That could be a possibility. I consider my blankets to be stubble bind. All right. Come on. All right.

Mine is one. That should be a push. All right. That's a push. So Alex did say that we'll get back to it. I'll tell you what's going on. And when I heard that, I was like, oh, he's not going to get back to this guy.

No, he's totally getting back to it. Are you kidding? No, no, no. The moment he said, you stay right there. I heard in his voice, we're black bagged talking the rest of the show. And he does. OK, we are going back to Curt in Texas.

Curt, just some background. Let me guess. You live in a small town. Not too small a town. Where do you live? Abilene. Kind of small. Oh, Abilene is probably one of the worst.

You know, that's where the Bushes hang out, that in Midland. Sure. We see some of the worst cases in that area time and time again. So many black men. And what happens is, people that give out hundreds or thousands of copies, and this is in the newspaper, I don't know if you've heard me tell the Kelly Rushing case.

He was giving out my video and a Ron Paul video. And they charged him for my video and the Ron Paul video saying it was threatening to police that they didn't like it. And it went to court and the jury found him not guilty. This happened in 2004. I don't know the details of it. The only information I can find are from like Ron Paul forums. Right.

And prison planet articles. And I don't trust those. I have no idea. There's probably more to this story, but I have no idea of terroristic threats through the videos. Very nice guy in the community. And he couldn't believe that that happened. But yes, they probably went in your house looking for something

illegal. Probably they couldn't find anything and they got mad. And see, you've got these federally paid for anti-terror liaison officers in every department. I don't know who those people did nothing to do. There are no real terrorists. But like the federal Marshall said last year, in the case of airports, a little kid taking a picture with a camera, they're

on the terror list for life. Anything, order a different meal on the plane, terror list for life. They said this is wrong, but we have to show there's a terror threat. So these guys don't like the fact you're handing videos out in town. I mean, have you handed a lot out?

Yes. How many? I don't know. I ballpark ballpark for round 300 or 100. Well, the answer is you just hand out even more. OK, sure. That's a good answer that we used to kind of a sales pitch. I don't know, man, I don't feel like it's good to reinforce

people's paranoia like that. I mean, I feel like that's very unhealthy. The FBI did absolutely entrap people into terrorism. Yeah. But it wasn't black bag and white people. I'll tell you that right now. I don't know if you know anything about the FBI. Long history.

Oh, they've done so much shit, terrible things, but they wouldn't waste their time breaking into someone's house to scratch Alex Jones DVD. No, in Abilene, absolutely they wouldn't. It seems like such a waste. They're so easy to get. You could just burn another copy from the freely available internet source of them.

So there's that. So now you've got what you, aha. You actually just wind up getting another Encarta CD. We have wasted two hours of this old dude's time. Victory for the feds. What? I don't understand. I don't understand any of this.

There's such a benign explanation that his dog just fucking scratched them or something. There's a hundred different explanations. And I like that this is where his mind goes first. It's so disgraceful that he's just like, yeah, probably the feds broken to your house. And what you need to do is become even more radicalized to my team.

Sounds right. I mean, it's good. If we did stuff like that, it would be like, our numbers would be much better than they are now. But well, to any of our walks out there, think of anything that's unusual. You get a weird phone call. Alex Jones did it.

Yep. You're sounding like his ex-wife. So we have one more clip here. Alex wants to make you scared about how the military doesn't exist anymore. Oh, what? In all the spree to core, George Washington, all of it. That bullshit.

It's all gone. It's all over. Just like when Hitler took over the military. I'm sorry. Are the individual troops bad? No. But all this brainwashing, and we've got to worship what they do, that's getting you ready for them here in the

United States. And that's on record now. I'll get to all your calls tomorrow. We're just flat out of time. At the start of the show, I cover how they're going to ration health care. This is so incredible. This isn't Republicans claiming this.

This is the Democrats saying it. But before we go any further, gold is still up at the 920 level. Cool. Didn't see that one coming. Didn't? I didn't see that in 2009, man. He didn't have that kind of skill level.

That was pretty solid. It is. That was a harsh turn. That was good. That was good. But the reason that it's 2009 style is that it's not smooth. No.

You know, he will give you whiplash in the present day, but it'll be like, oh, bam. I didn't see that coming. You caught me off guard. You caught me unawares, but I liked it. I'm lulled into a false sense of security by 2009. I'm thinking we're still in such a larval stage of his ad pivots.

That one sounded real tight. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty good. Again, this is the, again, the perimordial ooze from which the modern day ad pivots will eventually come. So Jordan, over this course, the thing that I think is the most important is that one of Alex Jones' pillars in his Oklahoma City narrative is bullshit.

Right. And as we go on, and he says more specifics, I'll find out what's true. We'll find out what bullshit those are, yeah. But also beyond that, this narrative of the states are declaring their sovereignty is very relevant to modern day stuff because sovereignty is what he is a boner for now. It's very relevant that he's only really using that

as an interstitial way to set the table to make propaganda if an attack happens in one of those states. And it's clear because he never is dealing with the fact that all of those resolutions are the same. All of those House resolutions that are put in by all these states are the same. They're coming from the same people. They are a coordinated group of quote unquote patriot weirdos.

Who are doing this? He's not. He's trying to present it as like it's burgeoning up in all of these states. And grassroots movement, yeah. And that's not the case at all. And he's also not dealing with the fact that in the same way that he doesn't address

that those FEMA camp bills that he makes people so scared of aren't real, and they'd never made it out of committee, most of these don't make it out of committee. And most of the time people are like, we don't have to make a resolution that the law is the law. We're not scared that a black guy is the president. And that's really what's driving the other half of this. And it's, I mean, it's terrible.

This is just a terrible state of affairs. Yeah. So we should wrap this up. It's just so ironic. It is a never-ending source of irony for me that immediately after Obama got elected, the conservative media went hard into him turning into a tyrant, putting people in camps,

doing all of this shit. And then at their first opportunity, they elect a guy who does all the shit that they thought Obama was going to do. I'm really glad you brought that up, because that's a good cliffhanger for our episode that will come out tomorrow. We are doing an episode that will come out Tuesday

as an emergency. Oh, no. Are we going back to the present day? Nope. OK, thank God. Still in the past. But that is a cliffhanger to consider what you just said. Cliffhanger.

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Yes, it is. And there is no way that I would end this episode in any other way than saying former Oklahoma representative Charles Key, go fuck yourself. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller.

I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.