Knowledge Fight - #175: Giants And Bonus Potatoes

Episode Date: June 27, 2018

Today, Dan needs to save Jordan from the awful flavor of the modern world, so he decides to branch things out and explore a new con-man on the show, the one and only Jim Bakker. To make it relevant to the podcast, the gents discuss an episode of Bakker's show where he talked to frequent Alex Jones guest Steve Quayle about a whole lot of nonsense, but weirdly not much about Jesus.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We are a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Indeed. We are Dan Dan. No Oh, okay. Not today. All right. Not today. Not today. All right. What do we say to the god of bits? Not today Today sucks. All right. It's a shit day. It is a sex man. The world sucks. I don't want to talk about it Everybody knows what we mean. Yeah, we aren't a political affairs show and I feel like anytime we try and drift too deeply into those waters

We sound like idiots. So let's not do that. That's not what this show is about This is about how I know a lot about Alex Jones and I don't know anything about Alex Jones Exactly, but I am still calling for a civil war. Um, I'm not sure about a civil war But boy something boy something gotta happen boy. It's gotta happen. Oh boy. Oh boy I saw your tweet from earlier about uh stacking the supreme court. That's gonna be the only way we get rid of them Might be especially since Kennedy is probably going to retire now. You better not. Uh, oh, yeah No, and Kennedy is a is an awful supreme court judge, but imagine replacing him with another awful. You just can't make it worse Yeah, exactly and it's gonna happen. Yeah inevitably any change now is not gonna be positive change

No, um, no, we have to get rid of that. It's like it's bananas. Yeah, so all such a mess. Uh, uh, I don't even know what to say Yep. Hey, we're fucked because of that. I do know one thing I want to say and that is thank you to our new donors Nice Yes, that is a tasteless transition on my part, but you gotta get out of it somehow I'm in I'd like to thank, uh, timothy. Thank you so much for joining up with the team I'm a policy wonk. We appreciate it very much timothy. Thank you very much timothy for joining up And uh, secondly, I'd like to thank another new donor. What's going on out there, Brett? I'm a policy wonk

Thank you so much Brett. Hey Brett. Thank you very much Uh, we do appreciate it if you'd like to support the show and the things that we do Uh, you may do so by going to knowledge fight.com click and support the show button We would appreciate it very much. Absolutely and every policy wonk will be a uh, non commissioned officer in the second civil war Absolutely, absolutely. That's the rule, right Based on how bad all this stuff is and how like Just nonsensical the the political landscape is and the world is nuts I decided that maybe it's time for us to do something that I've been wanting to do for a long time

And actually someone wrote me a message Uh, uh, I think it was on facebook and suggested that we do this And I didn't I don't know if I had the heart to explain to him that I've been kicking it around for a while Is this uh, is this an audible or are we audibling away from both alex jones and uh project camelot? A little bit. Well, I I know that you and I've had conversations and I've said this privately to folks Um, and I don't know if I've said it on the show or whatever, but I might have Uh, the theme of this show is less alex jones and the more that Everybody is running a con. Yes. These people are all running a con and they're doing it the same way

Right stop like don't Not that our listeners need to be told don't listen to these people Right, but it's it's kind of interesting to look at how very very similar all of these Fucking con men are who are just ripping off old people by pushing white supremacy In such a way. It's a really successful blueprint. It is it's fascinating and the damage that's being done to the body politic now We're feeling it in the stuff that we're talking about right now at the beginning of this show Right, it's the end result of these fucking huckster con men who have destroyed everything and allowed people With ill will the people like the steven millers of the world

To gain the seats of power that they are in exactly without the huckster con men Um, who really just want to take old people's money Yeah, but also probably are bigots themselves. No, they are they're all monstrous people But at the same time they you know, they they seem to be chiefly motivated by wanting to grift grannies They're like they're like bigots on the local level. They don't want to they don't want to be the arbiter Or they the causers of harm along the national scale, right? They're just taking advantage of people who do and then You have uh the people who get whipped up into a frenzy all I'm saying is don't trust people who want you to

Trust us because we're genuinely confused And kind of a kind of nervous that anybody's listening to us in the first place. Yeah I apologize to not responding to a lot of emails It overwhelms me emotionally and I don't know if I can handle it exactly Um, especially nice ones. That's the part that oh, no, we can't do that. Oh, no Oh, please talk shit to us bad ones all the time bad ones make me feel very scared Uh, but but good ones make me feel uh invalid You know, yeah, yeah, we are imposter syndrome writ large. Um, so speaking of imposters today

What we're going to be talking about my friend is jim baker No, yes, no. Yes. No. Oh, yeah. No, we don't want to know we're talking about jim baker. Why? Because he's awesome. But what do you mean? He's awesome. He's so fucking stupid. It's it's crazy. All right. He is like, uh I I prepared this episode about jim baker. Okay, and all I want to do is watch more jim baker Okay, we're doing jim baker and I'll be honest with you Uh towards the end of this I got the spirit got good to me. Like, oh, no, you're a fan now. No, I'm not a fan But I I get it. I like I understand you can see the tricks that he's doing to rev people off

Oh, yeah about christ and yeah, yeah, what have you just to switch it on you to sell like a right like a survival radio or some Right, so like uh for everyone who doesn't know jim baker, uh sucks. He's a televangelist who's done some time in prison Uh, and also we're we're gonna get into why he's a worse person than just someone who's gone to prison Various various things that we'll learn. Um, I don't have an outer context drop for this episode What I was going to do is I was going to start with that song Uh that made the rounds that went viral that guy singing about end times Huh, I did not hear that one. You didn't know I try and avoid anything that's viral Here's the issue then now

I'm gonna have to pull it up because I decided it was hacky to play it Because I know this is why we're in agreement. This is why I avoid things I I thought it was hacky. Uh, they like it's the one thing that most people have seen of jim baker It went around. It was a meme that got that got sent around I'll give you a little bit of setup here and then I'll play it Uh for the good people because I have tried for the past year or two to avoid any at all social media And I still fucking tweet every now and again because I'm an insane person And I just like for me I tweet like once every couple of weeks just whenever I'm so angry and there's no one

To yell at around me. Like as long as we're doing the show, I don't need to tweet But we hadn't talked for a couple of days. So I gotta I gotta yell something about the supreme court That's just my life dad. That's that's totally understandable. Otherwise the memes don't get to me This was uh, this is a guy. He's a rather large gentleman in a hawaiian shirt and he's apparently All right, I'm a fan of his I don't know all the details. He's either a part of jim baker's praise band Or he's someone else who's uh doing guest vocals and he's going to sing a song Are you sure he's not uh, the what's the what's the comedian's name fluffy the guy that guy? No, it's not this guy's white um, but also like this guy's going to sing a song about uh,

Jim's various survival products. All right, and I'm not sure if jim baker actually speaks in this clip But he's standing behind the guy. Uh, well at a little desk. He has a little desk Oh, but here we go Kevin I love this song. I want to get is it What encouraged you to write this song? I love it when you get inspired I came with the idea with all the products and I love the song my girl Actually, I gotta give a shout out to our bass player mark broder who also wrote calvary hill from blueberry Yeah, mark actually helped me with the line

Line or two here. So so mark and I put this thanks mark Mark's doing good. So call right now and let's get some salt in your system. That's right. That's what he fucking looks like Oh, yeah, your collection on the shelf if you've got it at home And this is set to my girl. Oh, yeah, all right Every day. All right, come on people and get the junk de-jump your house. He has a weird hat on too Oh, yeah, and get up and dance a little. Oh, no, I love summertime. Oh, no I've got burgers made of beans there

never fry I can't your face. I can't deal with this. We just have to get to the chorus so that we could cut bait God the most racist people always want to steal black music All right now I'm gonna go I'm just gonna go I'm just gonna say this I'm just gonna say this Yeah, it is absolutely Not biblical to prepare for the end times that is against the rules. Oh, I didn't think that's the bible I didn't think that was the angle you were you are not allowed to know when it's coming and you sure as fuck aren't allowed to

Prepare for it Exactly. You're supposed to just shut the fuck up and be a not shitty person See now, I thought that your response was going to be now that is the kind of bullshit we can get behind No, because my response is now that is what I call music volume eight. That's hilarious. Like the the version The version of con man stuff like that. We're used to does not involve pageantry. No, it doesn't involve showmanship It definitely doesn't involve Hawaiian shirts. And man, that was so bad. That is just so terrible But that made the rounds and everybody's clowning on Jim Baker for a bit and that's always fun to see Yeah, that's nice. But fuck that guy

But I there's a part of me that like one of the other things that makes me very I'm I'm pretty sure That he didn't think that like I'm gonna do this embarrassing my girl cover And then everyone will give me free press like the way Alex trolls. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was sincerely like This will really be fun for the congregation. I Absolutely agree with it. We'll sell some of these bean burgers that Boy, the the burgers are made out of beans, huh? Never fried. Never fried. What about refried? Nope Can't have refried bean burgers. We're gonna learn a bit about his foods here a little bit But uh, the what I decided to learn about his foods. Uh, he's a lot of food plural

Yeah, so he sells foods so many foods in buckets. All right. We're gonna in buckets We're gonna get real deep on a lot of stuff that you bake ourselves He sells food in buckets. Oh, yeah All right. All right. There is nothing more christlike. Oh, yeah, then putting food in but look Where were the bread and the fish? Buckets you said it my man. They had kfc written on it So I went through and I was like, I don't know Jim Baker's been around for fucking ever How am I gonna find a starting point and I was like man

It would be really convenient if someone who's on alex jones' show a lot is also a guest on jim baker's show Would that be oh, no, is that that's totally true. That's totally true I found a guy michael snider is a guest on there. He's actually gonna be on in like a week or so in a new episode But we haven't really we haven't really talked about michael snider all that much on this show He shows up a bit, but he's usually fairly boring on alex's show So he hasn't uh, you know, he doesn't get uh as thorough a treatment from us But then Guess who I found as a guest on jim baker's show multiple times

Steve quail. Oh, okay. The moment you said steve. I was like, holy shit pechenic is on Okay, no, I don't think that's going there steve quail Who's steve quail again? He is actually was on recently is on alex's show recently It had been quite a while since uh, the the two of them had gotten together. He is a guy who's been around Since long time. He's a long time alex jones guest. He uh, he's written a bunch of books about giants. Remember? All right. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The guy who wrote about giants We've talked about I remember because uh, we we talked about uh, uh, I killed giants, which is my favorite Yeah, steve quail is a bit of a lunatic. Right. He's uh

He alex thinks he's a prophet Right, which should lead you to at least suspect on many levels that Some of alex's narratives come from steve And I think we're going to see some examples of that very clearly Uh, thanks to jim baker. Oh boy. So this actually before we go any further conspiracy theory. All right Jim actually died in jail. He was only in for like five years tammy fey

Just removed all of her makeup and now she's taken over Possible. Yep. Not possible. That's the science on it. That's what I say. Um, here is the first clip that we get and like There's it's impossible to make a clip of the jim baker show without some sales being involved because he talks He sells he sells hard. He's selling all the time. And so this clip starts with him trying to sell see uh, sell steve quail's book Genesis six giants This is a book you wrote and then this one here. What's the difference in this one? This is true legends true legends deals with all the myths and legends around the world in addition to giants

But it talks about why this subject is covered up by the powers that be Smithsonian cover by the way, they just found yeah, this mistletoe. Yeah, I just heard that on the show the other day It's a smithsonian cover-up and and the it's a ballroom Yeah, do you know about this I guess you'll say No, all right. Well, let's see if he says more I go into great every everything skeleton that is of the giants And they they bought them up. They even had to buy museums just to get them Absolutely Why would they want to do that because they don't want they don't want they don't want

Yeah, that's the dumbest thing you've said the word of god Substantiated in any way shape or form what they're going to claim ladies and gentlemen is that the aliens created some by the way More people have been won to the lord by finally answering their questions When god I'll give you a good example when god said to the children of israel to moses go in and joshman kaleb joshman kaleb going in the promised land And kill every man woman and child people say how could a holy god do that? How could a loving god do that one that wanted to protect the genetic creation of adam and eve? It was about the promise and 315 genesis being the redeemer jesus coming through the true lineage

And that's why jesus called the second adam So there's a lot of the race stuff there. There's a lot of true lineage stuff. That was a lot to unpack right so that was a lot to unpack uh, if I If I understand correctly um Giants are real. Oh, the smithsonian is covering them up In order to keep people from knowing that god is real and that christianity is entirely accurate Right and and when you ask why did god?

Why would a justin loving god tell two guys to murder every man woman and child in a place the answer is Uh, because of course dummies because he wanted to protect the lineage right more into that here a little bit the lineage of adam I thought you said the justin loving god like god loves justin Justin what from justin to loving kelly. So what do you know about the smithsonian cover up my dude? Um, well the smithsonian is a museum. They bought all the giants and it has a lot of interesting things They have a great website. Yeah, uh big fans of science and history Pretty sure that's the end of the story in uh, december of 2014 They bought all the publication published an article titled quote the smithsonian admits to destruction of thousands of giant human skeletons

In the early 1900s From this article quote a u.s. Supreme court ruling has forced the smithsonian institution to release classified papers dating from the early 1900s that proves the organization was involved in major historical cover-up of evidence showing giants Giant human Remains this is poorly written in the tens of thousands had been uncovered all across america And were ordered to be destroyed by high level administrators to protect the mainstream chronology of human evolution at the time Tens of thousands of giant skeletons. Yep a lot of giant skeletons tons of it Seems like you might just find them and yet it almost seems too low

It almost also seems like any of the people who had those skeletons could have said no I don't know or they could have been like hey, I sold these bones to the smithsonian How much is the giant skeleton run probably a lot you would think a lot especially if it's like part of this cover-up shit Oh, yeah, absolutely You would extort the hell out of the government if they were if you had it if you had a giant skeleton You got two options who bucks you go to you go to the national inquirer right or you go to the smithsonian I've always said that I feel like the national inquirer is a wasted shot though because like they wouldn't pay you that much Since they know that everyone's going to think it's bullshit

Anyway, so they'll give you like 50 bucks right smithsonians going to give you 75. That's why they're the good ones All right, I thought they were See now. I assumed that they had destroyed all those bones in the 1900s because Uh, that was during the great the bone praise. No, that was during the great pinata shortage the bone broth shortage Yeah, the bone broth shortage that was the giant's bones for the bone broth devastating Um, one of the strong indications of this being complete bullshit as a story is that it repurposes old. There's giants. Well, there's that it also, uh That seems like it should be a quick one

It repurposes old pictures of the skulls of people like edward bow pair of bow pray who was born with a Gigantism and was a sideshow performer who died in 1904 the article lies about the context of the picture pictures Which makes believing the other stuff a little bit more difficult Also, all supreme court decisions are a matter of public record and this one does not exist That one's tough That's tough. That's a hard work around. Yeah So this this came out on a site called world news daily report. Oh, they most accurate Here's the thing you need to remember and this is a great thing for us to be starting on with steve quail

steve quail is a religious zealot to the point of believing this because of giants because it fulfills his weird belief about christianity and biblical literalism Even though the website that he got this from world news daily report includes this as a disclaimer quote World news daily report is a news and political satire web publication Which may or may not use real names often in semi real or mostly fictitious ways All news articles contained within world news daily report dot com are fiction and presumably fake news. Alrighty. Alrighty So, uh, so giants are uh second rate the onion. Well, that's essentially what we're dealing with He's written a bunch of books about giants and something and believes it for like before this

Fake article, right? But you do see that he's using it as proof Of his uh, his bullshade worldview, which leads one to believe that maybe He's not on such solid footing now if he had said that willy maize's bones were destroyed by the smithsonian institute I would lose my shit. I would love it. I'd need a supreme court ruling on that. Absolutely, and it would be a public record So we could find it um, so Towards the end of that clip where we heard is him saying a lot of stuff about Um

About lineage. Yes about they wanting to stop the lineage of the one true god and we have you right and here is where he gets Real, uh, like how's it gonna sell us on the uh, the adam being white. Well, this is where conservative politics comes in I'm not sure if he he's ever gonna actually touch on that part of it. Gotcha, but it's implied. Yeah I the smugness here's the other thing the silence You see I believe that the silence and the abortion the world of abortion Led to the silence in the most horrific slaughter No one since the middle ages even more so the holocaust did in the secret We're getting it in, you know hd every day somebody posts it on youtube. There's no there's no sorrow

There's no brokenness and and the last time I missed reading the bible We're all members of one body and and see that's the thing that crazy But you know what all that stuff is taking place and I I guarantee I can prove this Because of the total contempt for life Every single one of those babies that's aborted every single one of those brother or sister and women are being just Brutalated or brutalated. That's brutally murdered mutilated. You know new word new word This guy's on cocaine. This is bad. He's on cocaine or something, right? I mean the way he's speaking is crazy Yeah, it's just jumping around from topic to topic. He's new word. Yeah

What are you doing? Steve? I I put him on an eight ball. He's both. He's both jumping around and yet. He's a bit laconic He's a little bit lethargic as well an eight ball is just a measurement of cocaine No, it's a it's a mix. No, that's a speedball. You're talking about speedball. Shit. Yeah, you're right cheese ball Eight speedball. That's a new word. You're talking about like a new word like heroin and cocaine. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying I apologize. Eight balls just a measurement. I apologize for eight ball. I'm at speedball old word If you're not if you're not like understanding exactly what he's getting at with this stuff about the abortions Uh, he's talking about this sort of fundamentalist christian idea of

Every time that a baby is aborted that might have been the new savior kind of shit Okay, he's on that tip to the point where later on he will actually express that it's a it's an effort On the part of people who were pro-abortion to make sure the next jesus doesn't come to which i would argue That's that's bad as a relate like you're It seems like your religion isn't as much control of the universe as you think it doesn't seem like it's very effective It's it seems like you should see that coming if you're god Uh, you know what's weird about god? What's that easily blindsided? He missed everything like the whole no a thing. He should have seen that shit coming a long time ago

But then he had to he had to fucking redo the whole thing omniscience friend. It's uh, it's uh, he etched sketch to the world It's not a complete Omniscience, I guess. I don't know. I don't fucking know. Anyway, that's troubling but also that's unfair How come he gets to tell people to go and kill every man woman and child at a place? But we can't abort our babies That's just that's fair game. You could just say god told you to everyone every good turn deserves an aborted baby You could just say god told you to or something like that Yeah, you know sort of get the same credibility as he's trying to appeal to write it down on some golden tablets people start

Believing that shit. So um in this next clip, uh, we get uh, what I would call disgraceful misuse of uh, of Native culture. Oh no, uh in a really it's kind of a funny way actually i'll say that Very few ministries will even address the subject, okay Don't want to show the charts and the graphs and this means this this means that okay And everybody's worried about this seven seal seventh prophet, you know And I said, you know the only thing you need to worry about you better check with the lord Make sure your name's written in the lamb's book of life, you know because again We're we're we're we're in a

post christian culture and because we got I wish who knows the delivers that we're in the numbers slaughter Who knows who knows and so jim the true legends make will you hold up that picture right there? It's hard for people to understand That that that's one of the famous native american legends of uh, literally The giants being so big they could carry a buffalo or a bison under each arm And and listen, that's like having a meal on the run for these guys and calm came on I don't know if you talked about it and the anasazi Indians which lived in mesa birdie. They were the little ones they literally got wiped out overnight

They were eaten by the giants. Okay, so every native american legend and when you spend the time I've spent going through this stuff That's why the bags are under my eyes because I don't sleep much probably from the eight ball Yeah, um speedball speedball I would I would say if you spent a lot of time with this one of the first things you should have come up with Is that anasazi is an offensive term. You're not supposed to use that term. Oh, oh really the appropriate term for that population Is ancestral or ancient pueblins The reason for this is the term anasazi is a word that comes from the navajo language meaning enemy ancestors

For obvious reasons the modern-day pueblins do not want to be primarily referred to as the descendants of enemies Yeah, yeah, that's a solid. That's an airtight argument on their part. Yeah, it's because airtight argument It's because like the first people who went through the like the first white folk who went through those areas were along with navajo Yeah, of course. They were like these is this where they have the translators. Yeah. Yeah. So there's that you had a navajo translator with you You didn't have a pueblin translator with you. So you got the you got the biased version of it. Yeah. Yeah, of course So, I mean that you should have figured that out uh with uh anytime cursory cursory google search Or you could specify what leg legend you're talking about here with the giant who's picking up a fast food bison Now here's another question if there are current pueblins, how is it that the uh

Ancient ones we're all eating up well because they weren't but okay a lot of a lot of there's like some dispersal from That population that went out to other right. Well when the giant eats him he throws the other one away It's like wings right right. Yeah, you don't always finish him one for me one for you. Yeah also when you want to appeal to uh legend In terms of factual stuff and being like giants exist because native american legends include them I'd like to ask you what about huitzel the aztec water water monster whose name translates to water possum Quote it looks something like a large stylized possum only with a hand at the end of its tail

Which it uses to drag people underwater kill them and eat their eyes. That's fun. Yeah, that's fun So is that real? I hope so is that real? I'm way on board with that. Steve. Is that real? I would rather that were real than giants any day of the week if the smithsonian is hiding that shit supreme court Absolutely, bring it in. It'll be public record. I'm just a huge fan of the gullibility The the inherent gullibility that you can just hear perfectly whenever a dumb person on tv goes Wow, right right like that's that was it. That was all she needed. She heard that and she was done She was like wow, that must be true. He said it. That's jim's new wife lori Um, who is along for the ride and making a lot of money off these people right right?

Also, I want to talk more about native american legends. I thought you might what about the sue people Who viewed the coyote as a trickster figure are we gonna assume that the government is covering up that coyotes love to do pranks That's actually true Is that oh what about rabbit boy the folk hero of sue mythology which is clunkily named Who was uh, it was born from a clot of blood and raised by rabbits Rabbit boy rabbit boy rabbit boy What about the chippewa and their windigo the man-eating spirit into which you will transform When you die if you commit various sins on earth

Yes the windigo fought against one of those in a final fantasy game What about the anne way the quote giant man-eating skunk monster that killed people with its poisonous spray Who after its defeat became the origin of ordinary skunks? I mean that makes as much sense as anything else Where do skunks really come from dan like really anne way and i mean like where do they come from though? There's only one explanation france. Exactly. I love you Um, so what i'm getting at is like legend is full of uh, full of stuff That doesn't really uh track with uh, modern, uh real

Reality it's it's almost like you shouldn't put your faith in Just old myths myths from a time before science You shouldn't put your faith into things like a windigo or a jesus You shouldn't put your faith into those things. I think because it's dumb I think that jesus is closer though like there's supernatural aspects to his story and stuff like that but like Look if the next jesus can be aborted and the the the whole game is up then fuck off I'm closer to that than a windigo though or rabbit boy

But a rabbit boy, actually I mean besides the part about being born from a blood clot the part about being raised by rabbits That's just like a feral child. That's not really all that Anyway, my point is that steve quail's an idiot, uh, and that will be reinforced as we go along But the specific reasons he's being an idiot in some of the specific ways he tries to funnel that idiocy Into the messages he puts out is incredibly important And it's important to remember that he is someone who alex jones views as a prophet Right basically as a as a like this guy is a genius. So before we go any further

We can say with confidence Jim is conning people. He doesn't believe in fucking any of this shit. Wow. He's jim baker. Wow He's already he's played the game. Well, I mean we'll get into more specifics about jim baker, but he's a vet In case you need to reinforce that he's a con man. Listen to this. This is the first of his commercial breaks We'll be right back with more of the jim baker show Right after this word We're sitting outside of our general store here at morning side Real quick morning side has a general store morning side is his absurd. It's in pleasant valley

It's a absurd uh end times religious community But all right, I like that but they have a they have a general store at least they're all together. They have a general store That's right. There's probably more action here than any place at morning side. I forget because it never closed It's a 24 hour store I'm gonna suggest At the general store, I'm gonna suggest there's not much action anywhere It's not much action if the general store is the hoppin place to be you're underselling morning side And you can buy food and how healthy food or

That's right. We have twinkies probably. I don't know. We do have little twinkies a little of everything. Yeah to eat but you know The thing that I've been saying over and over again We need to be prepared For what it's going to come on earth. So what we need to do is Read the word be prepared so that we can be a part of this amazing Time that's going to be soul winning time. Amen. And so if you're not prepared Be prepared be prepared now while we have this special going on now if you order a year of food

How much bonus food can they get today? Yes today It won't every order one year of food for a donation of 600 dollars to the ministry You're getting a bonus of a rice bucket and a bonus of sliced potatoes and just with the bonus That's an additional five and a half months of food Hold on. What is it? What measurement is a year of food? Is that a lot? Is that a little? It's in it. If you go to his website, you can find the breakdowns of everything It's just in servings. So you'll have like uh 500 servings of potatoes or whatever in this bucket. It's not It's crazy

So for 600 dollars you get a year of food. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and there's there's some variety to it There's like a powdered food like breads and like Powdered eggs and shit. Damn it. I am hating all of the doomsday preppers so much right now because I'm leaning towards them Like really realistically right now. I'm like in 10 years. I think I might want some powdered bread I don't understand. I don't want powdered bread ever But there was a thing there. I mean since we've started this show I my standard position has been it's probably smart to have some water in the yeah I know right that sort of thing and that's not changing now. No, but listen listen to this

I had to pause it to let you get a little bit out Because this goes much further So for a donation of 600 dollars you're getting one year plus five and a half months of food Okay for for two years in or it could be a year for two people or two years of food You get a double bonus then right? Yes, that's right You're going to get two buckets of the rice and two buckets of the potatoes for a bonus of 11 months of food You're getting nearly three years of food for a donation of 1100 dollars to the ministry And the bonuses is what I want to emphasize this the food is the best

And then we're adding to it Extenders we like to call them food extenders because you can take the rice And add it to almost any of the things here. Let me have this is kind of a recipe list of stuff we have For instance oatmeal you could you could add What could you do to oatmeal you could literally put Uh, you could put the banana chips the banana chips on top of that. That's right Like a lot of people have berries. What is this? What is happening right now? It goes on so much longer. They're giving you recipes for food that cost them what 45 cents if that

A bucket of rice is very cheap. What is they're sending you right and they can only send it by freight by the way Well, of course, that's just cost effective. Yeah Because they're so if you tonnage Exactly if I if also if I understand correctly Yeah, if you order a year's worth of food, right you get a bonus right of one bucket of rice And one bucket of potatoes. Yes, but but if you order two years of food you get a bonus of two buckets of rice And two buckets of potatoes. I mean, it's just so it's the same bonus. It's standard home shopping network Kind of bullshit. Why are you adding? Why are you pretending that that is an extra bonus? I don't know

But he this goes on I wanted to play the entire fucking commercial for you That's the same But it goes on like another couple minutes where he and this these two people that he has his two salespeople That he's sitting at this table with they're like, oh, well, you could take the chicken at the creamy chicken and rice Put some more rice in there now. It's even more like what they're they're doing the forest gump shrimp bit more or less Yeah, and and I love that he's like, you know, they like to call it extenders You put this rice in but then he brings up the oatmeal. They're like, there's no way you're putting rice in that oatmeal Why would you put rice in an oatmeal? No, because he chose the exact wrong thing

Then put the because he's old. He's like 70 something years old. He's crazy He's an old crazy asshole So I'll tell you a little bit more about jim baker before we get back into the the festivities. All right. I should tell you that a secretary of another Another televangelist Did accuse him

Back back in the I believe it was in the 80s of luring her to a hotel and raping her Yep, he believed that everybody should serve him because he was serving god. She said of baker This is a lady named jessica hawn Jim's version of what happened when he was called to answer for it is less than satisfying Oh Quote I sorrowfully acknowledged that seven years ago in an isolated incident I was wickedly manipulated by treacherous former friends and then colleagues who victimized me with the aid of a female confederate They conspired to betray me into a sexual encounter at a time of great stress in my marital life

Vulnerable as I was at the time I was set up as a part of a scheme to co-opt me and obtain some advantage for themselves in connection with their hope for position in the ministry It sounds like bullshit. Yeah So the the guy who uh, who set them up hawn and baker Did say uh, he was a pimp. You know on record. He said that jim had asked for uh him to get somebody to help make tamby fey jealous So that was something that came out before great And uh, man, you just look into the details of this and it's it's pretty horrifying

It's pretty fucked up because jessica sided the story which I believe far more Uh, certainly in terms of I don't believe him at all. I believe her. Um She was under the impression that she was going to go to this uh convention and babysit his children And then she showed up at a hotel room and he uh, they weren't nowhere to be found Um, and uh, you know one of those things really fucked up So then jim paid hawn two hundred seventy nine thousand dollars in hush money Apparently money coming from the funds of his then ministry Ptl ministries, you know that stands for praise the lord. Hey

Yeah After the cover-up of this hush money came out baker was forced to step down Uh from his ministry jerry fallwell would go on to call him quote the greatest scab and cancer on the face of christianity in 2000 years of church history coming from the greatest scab on the face of ministries. It's whatever That's like benny hymn calling you a little over the top. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Jesus So in 1988 baker was indicted on eight counts of mail fraud 15 counts of wire fraud in one count of conspiracy He served about five years of his time and for part of it His cellmate was notorious right wing fuckhead and frequent alex jones guest linda larouche

Who baker said was uh convinced that their cell was tapped quote to say that linden was slightly paranoid baker wrote in his Autobiography would be like saying the titanic had a bit of a leak Uh parenthetically just a little note larouche was in prison because quote on december 16th 1988 linden larouche was convicted of conspiracy to commit mail fraud Involving more than 30 million dollars in defaulted loans 11 counts of actual mail fraud involving 294 000 in defaulted loans and one count of conspiring to defraud the united states internal revivative service He'd not filed a tax return in 10 years and when asked about it. He claimed to have no income Just a little bit of context at the time. He lived on a 172 acre estate

I like that argument ballsy that is a that is a bold first move So jim baker was in trouble and ended up in prison because he'd sold tens of thousands of $1,000 lifetime Memberships which entitled people to a certain amount of stays at a luxury hotel. He was building Basically it was like a timeshare type of scam. Yeah, and he never built that hotel Well, he sold tens of thousands of these memberships, but he only ever did end up building one 500 room hotel Which represented massive overselling and was intentionally uh very clearly fraud Yeah, quote baker sold exclusive partnerships which exceeded capacity raising more than twice the amount of money needed to build the hotel Much of the money paid heritage usa's operating expenses and baker kept 3.4 million dollars. Everybody's got overhead man

Everybody's got an overhead giving off a lot of overhead So now he runs this jim baker show with his new wife lori Uh, and they just tell old people that the world is about to end He sells literally everything I can get his little hands on with the help of lori Uh, who reminds me quite a bit of tammy fey and yeah, I I saw I saw that and I was uh, I was not stoked about that Um, so he has this uh pleasant valley Uh, and it's uh, it includes the morning side uh community Which it's it's fucking insane if you go to jim baker show dot com

You can see all of the stuff that he sells. There's cozy cottages. Oh, that's nice that you can rent a vacation stay in That would be weird. He has I would totally do that. He has condos That they sell yes, they sell yes, or they rent out. Yes some of these condos I've watched other videos of him. He's gesticulating when he's giving the sermons He's gesticulating around that the condos are in the same room As like the the open door you walk out your front door. You're in the church. That's awesome Basically, that's the worst thing I've ever heard. It terrified the shit out of that is ridiculous So then on top of this we have of course the general store where everything is rocking

Everything there's a lot of action there. All right. We have an rv park that they uh, they have people can camp in That's just smart. I don't actually think that one's too bad No, that one's just smart the idea that he's selling property though is fucked up to me the idea that these uh Prefab, uh, especially if he's selling them Literally in the church. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a boy. The bible is really strong on that. Yeah, it's uh, it's pretty crazy That's like one of the few times jesus was pissed. Yeah. Yeah We got aggro. Yeah, that was one of the few times where jesus was like I am the son of god and i'm gonna fuck shit up

So then also lori runs a place called lori's house Which is crazy. They showed a picture of it in one of the videos. I'm like, what the fuck is that? Okay, it's like a fucking four-story giant house. It's crazy huge. Okay, it's like It's if you go to the website and you look it up the exterior of it is It's pornographic in size. It's so big you look through the pictures of it. There's like ornate Staircases, it's insane But then every picture of rooms every picture of rooms that they have are claustrophobic They feel so small weird like there's a chapel in it

It just looks like man if I was in there, I would feel so it'd be so tight. Okay. It reminded me of like rooms where you'd have Um Surprise meetings at work like unplanned. Oh, okay. Okay. You just gotta grab this room. Everybody just jump inside here Uh, so lori's house is a place of hope and healing Providing a christ-centered home and support to pregnant women during their pivotal time of need if you want to follow after me Give up your worldly possessions dan. No now And build a giant house

well, I mean You know on the one level you have the idea that maybe she is doing a service and helping some pregnant women Who are in need doubt it? But then the other side of it is you know that this is just a ploy to like Be anti-abortion. Yeah, I don't yeah, I don't believe many people are staying there I think that's lori's literal house Yeah, could be that's the hunch I get could be so anyway now be there's a floor with very large rooms Could be there's a space where it's wide open where they keep there's a lot to do and they keep the giant skeletons

So now it's interesting So we've we've gotten a little bit into jim bakers con history and what have you and like any right thinking person would Be able to see through what he's doing now is like Yeah, this is brutally sad is pretty pretty crazy But one thing that is super important is to listen to him break down some headlines and see if we see any kind of He breaks down headlines gets into a little bit of news. Let's see if we feel like this is familiar at all But the thing is is that we're seeing now the literal fulfillment of all the events corruption We see genetic corruption. You can read we see it in the news every every every mightest

You know, you see it in and matt drudge. Okay, you see it in the I would call it the mightest touch of the illuminati Real quick, right What he's saying there is you see these headlines on matt drudge. Yeah. Yeah, he's not saying that matt drudge has been Genetically corrupted, right? So that's non-white people of course, but just to be clear. It's not we're gonna get to what it means Okay, but just to be clear. He's just pimping drudge shit here on jim bakers show It's philosophically inlined entirely. Yeah They're they're releasing the information that will ultimately enslave us. Okay. Here's a headline today US scientists creating human animal hybrids by throwing human organs inside sheep and pigs

That's literally the white paper That's literally the exact same headline that alex jones brings up all the time And then can the creation of human gmo's cure genetic disease could these are headlines Could the us deploy Cyborg troops cyborg troops and you got to understand these are from sources like fox news like the garden cnn These are mainstream stream media sources. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that guy at the end kind of gives up the game a tiny bit in as much as he's saying like These aren't from our crazy stuff. They're from the mainstream crazy shit anytime anybody says they're from the mainstream news

It it betrays that they know that their position is kind of crazy. Yep So I like that a little bit, but this is the exact same stuff This is the same message that alex jones is putting out to the world It's the same they have to tell you in order for their victory to be complete or whatever That's a part of it. Yeah, and then also the misrepresentation of the chimera narrative I love the chimera. The chimera narrative is now being repackaged into a more specifically Um anti christian message to scare this particular audience, right? It's uh, it's pretty crazy You can adapt it into fucking anything. You can it's like jazz. Just tweak it a little. Yeah

Uh, so now we get is that how jazz works tweak it Here comes more giants, baby. All right the hybrid situation is Has is relative To the giants Now let me ask you no other conclusion to drive. I think a lot of people think well What this is a whole lot to do about nothing. It's in the bible. Okay Yeah

It's over and over in the bible. It's many many places in the bible different words used for different giants The giants Our children of who The giants of the children who have fallen angels in genesis of genesis a word nephilim is translated giant in two places In genesis six four and number 13 33 after that every Giant or land of the giants or whatever is referred to the land of the refaim. Okay Nephilim or fallen angels refaim are giants demons are the disembodied spirits of the giants

The demons have appetite. Okay fallen angels don't inhabit people So where did these people these giants and then they're offspring? the They had a relationships With Earth people is that right? Well, yeah the fallen angels look and people say well Why would they they misquote a scripture? They misunderstand us Oh, they misquote scripture all the time. They are neither given or taken a marriage. That's in heaven

These are fallen angels that came to corrupt The seed and the whole thing was they were trying to prevent the birth of jesus christ And now why it's so important and that's that's the bottom line and everything the reason it's important Is because science wants to do away with the last vestige of adam what what Why are you pointing at me? All right. Okay. Okay. All right

Wait, that was a jump. That was a leap. Well, I also that was a leap dan. I'm good. I'm gonna. I'm gonna use my new Catchphrase I reject the premise. I don't even need to engage with this. No, I just mean the leap from like uh, obviously Fallen angels don't possess people. They're fucking angels. Come on. Now. Don't be stupid. I have demons are dead giants They have appetites. They have appetites And that means that science is trying to destroy the line of adam That makes perfect sense. I have two things one to one draw I have two things to say first is that anytime anybody is going through a laundry list of bullshit and then intersperses

Okay, that means that they are wrong. Yeah, and they're an asshole. Yep. Then second I know we're clowning around But can we take a second to give a round of applause for how great of an interviewer jim bager is Like that chops that chops on this guy, that's true. He is asking leading questions Stammering letting the person talk. He's doing great work. He's getting one word out at a time ramble into what are

the giants Also, if you say it's in the bible twice, right? I don't trust you If you say it's in the bible a bunch I really don't trust you especially if you say it super defensively. Yeah, if you're in the bible It's in the bible, right? You're doing. Hey, what are you going to come at me? It's in the bible If someone says that to me, I say I got to go. Thank you. It's been it's been real jim bager delight um, so uh, this next clip starts with uh, Steve starting out a question and I

I I say absolutely not to this question And wouldn't you say to your kids grandkids and others coming after us in history that somebody wants you dead? No No, I wouldn't say that don't scare the fucking kids. Yeah, what are what are we black children? How are you good in america? Why would you? Oh, nobody wants you. Oh, I'm sorry But now you do they want you dead they want to annihilate you so the word cyborg literally means in central command The the military wants to be able to plug into everybody's brains, you know and run them literally you won't be able to think you know General you know sick puppy, you know, that's the one that will probably running this program

Is going to be sitting there on his keyboard or wiping his hand on the screen and all the soldiers will respond to what he commands them to do This is also further in line with alex jones's narrative He should wash his hands before he wipes him on the screen Right now we're getting like the idea of these cyborg troops like alex talks about Vaccines with nanotechnology that soldiers are given and stuff like that. He's talked about the chimera stuff like it's pretty clear Steve is responsible for a lot of alex's beliefs. Is this is this a show about jesus? Yeah Aren't we man, that's a great question. Are we uh, are we doing the bible? Is this evangelicalism or whatever?

Man, that's a great question. It's supposed to be It's mostly about selling food And cyborgs giants and giants food cyborgs giants. It's in the bible dummies, right? So um, you might think That if you buy a giant you get half a giant one bonus. They might be giant's album and a bucket of rice Um, you might think that america was named after america of vest butchie You probably don't know you don't just think everything works in cognates like that, right? But steve doesn't think that either, which is the one thing he's right about America's gonna be real wrong short amaruca and you know what it means land of the plume serpent

And interestingly as we're land of the plume serpent now the Inca and maya and they were the Practitioners of human sacrifice. I mean it is not only babies everybody went on the sacrificial But they knew that the giants who had come from the east had built their citadels You know and it's pretty tough to get an attic and a ink to build the great pyramids with basically shells and wood And okay stones. They didn't have metal or the technology So they didn't have metal is that this is why it's important jesus said you know We're gonna know the truth the truth is gonna set us free

This is the antidote and this is a good word for the poison that's coming out in the press to do away with humanity Okay, so this is the same trend that we see so often in alex and in project camel at this diminishing of ancient civilizations Yeah, um, but how could they build stuff with shells? They could never do that Giants needed to be there to build the pyramids. That's Or they weren't pyramids. They were uh, what are they called? Hmm, what do you mean in uh central america? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't know the meso american pyramids Whatever it is they're called most people just call them uh pyramids right, but there's a different technical name for it

Also, I would say that like Of the people that i've ever met in my life Uh met is a strong word of the people i'm aware of in my life I bet steve is probably the most likely to believe in like el dorado That's true the city of gold right that's a medal, but giants built it. Oh giants must have built it. Yeah Yeah, absolutely is actually made of their bones. That's why the smithsonian institute destroyed it. Absolutely That's why we can't find it had to hide it mystery solve supreme court. Yeah Um, so yeah, I just you know, that's just a classic sort of white supremacist worldview

You know just the latently white supremacist People who came before couldn't do shit Everything else must be described it must be proof of aliens or Giants in his case because these dumb people couldn't figure out they had fucking metal. Yeah, who are you talking about? Yeah, um, anyway, that's that's such like marco polo's description like all of it like You know the the old drawings that he had whenever he came back of people who didn't have heads or hands or feet But they had faces in their chest like it was all pretty much bullshit

He was he was making up most of it. Oh, that's people people bought it because it's like I've never been there He must be right like this is all shit where the guy is like, uh, you don't know anything about the native, uh, Aztec so I'm gonna lie about him. Well, I mean, I think we would still be susceptible to that mentality Even nowadays if like one person went to mars or something like that. Oh, yeah Like if one person legitimately we could prove they went to mars and they were like, yeah, I met a bunch of weird aliens Look, here's a picture of one. I drew it. Yeah, they'd be like, well, he was there. He was on mars. That's true But it would be the same it would be the same, uh, scrupulous

Thing I don't think you're telling the truth, but I've never been to mars now here steve says something That's really fun. Um, and it actually is one of my This was this was this was fun to look into Okay, and you know who the biggest threat to the world at this point is persia And persia just announced around okay They just announced that they have a electronic warfare any military guys should know what this means They can shut down everything the u.s. Possesses and the russians did it the other day again to the donald cook the most sophisticated billion dollar warship and they basically

Flip the switch and that sucker went dead in the water not the sucker the ship went dead in the water Okay Probably suckers really more accurate because if if you're got a billion dollars You know someone can throw the switch on you and your multiple weapons platform just goes dead in the water I would guess you're a dead duck or in this case a dead donald cook, you know That's the name of the ship. So it's critical. Was that a jail kershan? I think so You know michael the archangel needed gabriel to fight against the prince of persia And it said the prince of persia persia at the around now said

There's nothing you have have that will work against us nothing. That's not an idle boast That's not an idle boast So what do I do? I go god one more day For people to repent one more day for people because we're talking about the end time harvest and you more in that position now And somebody was telling me that they've seen angels around this whole area, you know meaning your your perimeter and stuff But god says i'm going to send my angels and i'm going to compel people to come in I'm going to compel them and those that are quote religious self-righteous and don't need jesus

Well, they've got their reward they can eat each other and I mean that the figurative I hope not literally that'll come later But the point that i'm really trying to make is this we are in we're not entering in we are in the last days Okay Well, then I don't think i'm going to need a year's worth of food. I don't think I will we're already there I think I can bang this out with six months depends if your post or pre-trip That's true. That's true. It depends. That's true. If you're post as we all know you don't need that food as we all know Pre-trib bullshit. Totally. Oh, yeah, so

um So the archangel michael fought against jake jillenhall. See now. This is what I needed a fact check. Yes. No I don't care about that So, um, the uss, uh, donald cook Is a very interesting incident in american history So the reality of that situation is that in 2014, uh, the what steve quail is talking about what it did happen sort of but But uh, not not at all the way he says it did the uss donald cook was making an excursion into the black sea when it was

buzzed overhead by multiple russian su 24s They made a number of passes which is absolutely not appropriate non-combat behavior in hindsight It's pretty clear. This was an attempt to provoke the ship to shoot down the su 24s and create a crisis point in the us European alliance that was standing at the time between putin and a full-scale grab of the ukraine So that is what happened. Uh, this idea of the electronic shutdown of the ship is fascinating This is so interesting. Yeah, tell me about this. So a group called the digital forensic research lab Checked them out and they they did a deep dive into this. Are they are they legit? Yeah, as far as I can tell they're fantastic Uh, they're they they appear to be a great resource, uh for uh, well forensic

Examinations of where things come from gotcha. Um, so they did some research into the claims about donald cook having its Electronics systems disabled because this story was going around but it also didn't happen So where did the story come from the dfrl found that a number of the most almost identical posts on facebook Oh, no purporting to be in the form of a letter Around the time in april of 2014 I think I can see where this in the form of a letter sent by a sailor on the ship To his beloved named mary. They're all clearly machine translated as they reflect very specific types of mistranslation of english And include suspicious details that lead you to a pretty decent guess as to who's writing them like quote

We thrice cried hip-hop hurrah And prepared to show the russians that uh, what awaits them if they raise their hand for the second half of ukraine And we all screamed out hip-hop. Hooray ho But did you catch that at the end there? Yeah That it's like we we scream to threaten the russians if they touched more of the ukraine. Yeah, kind of get what's going on Yeah, yeah, yeah So all these posts link back to the entire letter which was uh posted as a russian language opinion piece by a guy named

Dmitry Sedov Uh, which appears to have been written somewhat in the spirit of lampooning and satirizing the u.s navy. Yeah quote Mary you can't imagine how we were we've never been so ashamed in our lives Some of our boys bawled like babies other beat their heads against the equipment that wasn't working The first officer drank down a whole bottle of whiskey in front of everyone and shouted those freaking russians Uh, they're these those freaking russian kibine, which is the uh, like technology of the emp It's being discussed. Uh, and the and the captain was green with rage in this condition We were barely able to moor the romain uh the romanian shore and right after mooring three dozen of our guys wrote their

resignation letters They couldn't bear the thought that at a decisive moment our equipment could turn into crap Which they'd have to go to the bottom of the sea with Right, so this story was picked up by the russian state controlled channel Uh, uh, I don't remember the name of the channel But the show that was airing on it is called vespi and it aired the piece based it aired a piece based on this Uh, uh report by this uh, dmitry serdov They ran that in 2017 the piece, uh, it was covered. This is three years after hold on

The piece was covered by tons of foreign media Uh, not realizing that they were either directly amplifying russian propaganda or at least covering a satire article that no one realized was satire right but Steve was on jim baker's show in 2016 So he couldn't have learned of this version of the story from the sun or the times or any of the articles that came out in 2017 So he is learning this straight from the dick. He has to have Wow, it's hard to say for sure exactly where it came from But sputnik did put out an article on their german site claiming that they crippled the donald cook in april 2014 and this is from the df

dfrl quote on april 30th 2014 russian state newspaper Uh, rossus kaya gazeta ran a long and gloating article claiming that the su 24 had targeted the cook with the cabini system Knocking the entire ageist system out of action and the ship had quote hurried to a romanian port to restore its nerves By november info wars reported on it with the headline russians disable us guided missile destroyer Incidents skipped over by pentagon friendly corporate media Of course the article is pretty sympathetic to the russian side quote russia has condemned the placement of nato Uh by nato of a radar on the check republic and 10 interceptors in poland russia is also sending a message in the wake of the united states A nato decision to confront it over its alleged role in the crisis in the ukraine

So that was by november it could have been that he got it from info wars who's getting it from all of these Yeah, uh russian. Yeah state sites. Yeah, but the only way for that narrative to have existed before Like the sun and the times and then picked up on the story in 2017 Is if he's actively get trying to get news from these uh foreign propaganda sources. Yeah, so Who's at the door? I'm steve quail. Oh god, steve quail. You are a disgusting human being don't say that to me Or I'll sick my giants really. Oh shit giants. Are they real? Oh, yeah, I got a bunch of them waiting in the car All right, but tell me a huge car It's actually a very small car what you didn't know all giants are clowns

They're in the glove box. You busted steve. Go fuck yourself. You stupid asshole Um, why I loved learning that stuff though. That was really that's really interesting It's fascinating the layers of it and like wait, wait, wait, wait Oh, that wouldn't make sense if you read the sun article and just didn't you know, didn't look into it and thought it was true But then the timeline I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, steve. Oh, steve Oh, steve because in 2014 they tried to push it like the propaganda outlets in russia like spotnik and right, uh rossi skye, gazetta They tried to push it but no one picked up no one took the bait and so it didn't work then here

In 2017 when they did it again the same story when they tried to do it again You can see the forensic fingerprints being exactly the same Yeah, yeah, because the sun and the daily mail I can't remember the other ones but other like tabloid II kind of publications picked it up It's it's snowballed from there. Right. It's crazy That's fantastic. I love it. I don't understand why If you are doing this and if you know that it's propaganda You don't mix up the letter and just just rewrite it in into like just like for real

Just turn it into a civil war the dearest mary. No, we stood upon the deck of the john cook Well, because most of these donald cook or whatever we're doing this aren't they don't they didn't speak english So like a lot of it is just like you don't you don't have someone on that you have to just automate a lot of it I feel like you got to have somebody on that you should have if you're if you're But why are we still giving advice to propagandist jordan? This just goes to show though realist I mean, of course information warfare has been going on forever, right, but this sort of uh, like targeted uh approach from russia and The figures the people like steve quail who's big influence on alex jones. Yep

They are clearly on board with russia already at this point and you can see from alex's Coverage of it. Yeah, the very pro russian. Yeah, so they're already beholden to or tricked by the manipulations that are being done so it's like I don't know. Whenever we talk about the the like What were they doing in 2016? It's like, man They were already done. Yeah, they'd already they'd already done a lot. Yeah. Um, so now let's get another commercial Just get this out of our watch this out of our hair a little bit. All right. All right Is that not incredible that even comes with a box of heirloom seeds?

Which is a variety package of 20 different types of vegetables. Yeah, you have a full garden Yeah, a full garden and you can and they replant because they're their heirloom and they they just they come back every year and It it it's a great A double blessing it is and then with all of the if you get the seven years of food Then you have the seeds you can just keep adding all this food and mixing together and you have growing your garden you can go outside and pick from the garden add that in and add the rice and The multipliers in and you have a major feast now

As someone who eats mostly eggs and rice and vegetables I would say that's not a feast And if if end times were coming and that was it I would be like great whoopity shit I'd not be excited about it. I'd be like oh god I don't know what it is something about the way he says food makes me hate food food It's it's it's like seven years of food. It's a and uh, hey, uh, it's a double bonus. It's a double I don't even know what that means. It's a double blessing or whatever

Isn't it just a regular blessing the only reason I kept that in is because alex jones also sells heirloom seeds Ah, so gotcha. Also other things in common with alex jones. He also sells a silver solution Like he's probably a colloidal silver of some kind God damn it. Also. He at least shares one sponsor literally with alex. Uh, the alexa pure air filters alex jones that was one of his sponsors that is a sponsor of Uh, jim baker. How are they doing who alexa pure? They're probably fine. I'm interested to see what their business is But I'm guessing there's not a lot of taint on them Because they probably just sell through them. They're just like wholesalers. Yeah

And so they they don't I don't support them. We just you know, we just mark down a little bit and let them take a cut What do we do? Right? We sell filters. Right. Come on, man. We're not gonna bite the hand We haven't heard like the alexa pure person come on alexa show and do limericks yet Right. So until then we'll give them a pass So, um, here is another harsh similarity with alex this the rhetoric coming out of this clip And all of these things are happening I was so shocked when tom horn told me that in every single state They are experimenting

With hybrid human beings. Don't worry about who tom horn is He's just another time. I wasn't I wasn't worried about tom horn. Okay. Absolutely with human I want to say sacrifice, but human beings and Yet you can't put a christmas tree in town square. You can Just not if it's government, but nobody stopping those true who are Doing experiments on humans. It's because the people that are making war on christians Want them absolutely destroyed. See this is something that the christians don't understand

We've been given power through the holy spirit. Nobody talks about that anymore. Very few. Okay. There is no way to deal with the stuff in the natural So You've got you've got a left hand or right hand left hand. You got a prep you got to have your power your food You know your water critical. Okay the ability to defend yourself and by the way I'm a guy that preaches on the radio every woman that every woman should be armed They should get a concealed weapons permit because I'm going to make sure that the last breath out of my mouth No woman is brutalized by the people that are being brutalized great Murdered in europe. Okay, and nobody says anything and a lot of those are brethren

He was doing so good for no he wasn't he had the he had the I don't want women to be hurt He was doing great and then he said the in europe part and you're like, oh no Now I get what you're doing. We see that you're on that side. Yeah now. Now. I get what you do That's that okay. There it is. You're in that fear camp. All right that propaganda. I got you great You're now you're showing your anti muslim colors Hey already kind of showed by talking about being afraid of persia Now that one I got but just the insistence on still calling it persia is like come on Don't be a dick, dude

The similarity tooth alex always going on and on about how we need to arm women is uh Also, you know, similar and again, I'm like, I don't give a shit women want guns Let them have it but I'm not gonna jack off about it. You know what I'm saying Like I'm gonna let them have the choice to have guns. I'm fine. I'm fine with women only having guns I'm pro choice with women having guns um The other thing um in there was the uh the like You know, you need to have your right and your left hand, you know, you have your left hand

But you have your prepping and you're right. You got your years worth of food, right? By the way double bonus this year But also I would say it's a fitting metaphor because generally you can only use one hand You know, most people aren't ambidextrous You got one hand that's good and the other hand is kind of a waste Uh for the most part. Okay, and so, you know, all that prepping stuff is largely a waste Yeah, so then I have your right hand do something else. I get it. Right. I see what you're doing now That's just my metaphor. I got it. Um, anyway, this shows your left-handed bias. You hate left-handed people sinister as well

Why did you do that? What why did you force people when you were growing up? No, because that isn't right with the right hand No, because in that case like I would I would argue then that your right hand is useless if you're a left-handed person You everyone should have one hand. That's what I'm saying I'm I said it's in the bible. It's in the bible. I fucking said it in the bible. I'm gonna stand on this rock And it should be attached to a tail as you scurry into the water and try and drag people down and eat their eyeballs One hand is all you need Imagine whatever day of the week it is The the power goes down

All banking ceases. What if it's people these are ATM cards? They don't work. They go to pump gas There's no gas because you can't pump it with no power on a Thursday Well, and and you could the emergency broadcast station comes on due to Uh, unforeseen circumstances a cyber attack on our infrastructure They're going to generate the problem that they will provide the solution for it's called the hegelian dialectic And then we will be brought under the control. Remember this. It's all about control. It's all about control Hell, yeah Wow hell. Yeah. Wow hell. Yeah

Man all the same messages being put out Uh synchronized essentially throughout all of this world god dammit Why are they making me nostalgic for the horrible christianity that I was raised in I think that's I'm I'm like Oh, well, at least they fucking talked about the bible or some shit whenever I was growing up. This is about cyborgs You're number one. I thought I figured actually I would go the other direction Yeah, I think I'm like the cyborgs more But I feel like a piece of that was actually what kind of got me a little bit what I was saying You know like about watching this. Well, I'll explain exactly what happened like towards the end of it

Because there's a clip that that plays into it But there is a piece of it that yeah, just it does make me harken back to Like my religious days. Yeah, you know some things were easier, but that's because I was a kid. Uh, anyway Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. There's a there's a wistfulness that watching this evoked in me. I'm very uncomfortable with but it's so strange. I wildly prefer people believing weird shit and then holding snakes instead of them being like You know the government's making chimeras like oh, all right. All right. Also. Let me sell you potatoes. Yeah, exactly. Fuck off Yeah Because you know why this guy believes that people holding snakes seems sincere. Yeah, exactly

Exactly, there's a part of it that's like you're crazy, but I think you mean it you mean it. Yeah, it's this like it's so see-through Like steve. I think is not that smart No, very much. No, and couldn't cut it as a Scholar or a science fiction writer and to be fair, I don't know if I could either so I'm not like I'm not criticizing him too harshly But I'm I probably couldn't make it as a scholar neither could he he decided to take a little bit of a shortcut Which is reading up on mythologies and stuff like that and trying to find ways to piece together things and pretend Shit's real put out a bunch of stupid ass books and then start screaming about government depression and what have you Link yourself up with the right wing real hard and then start selling gold because he has a gold sale operation

Of course, he does. Yeah, he has a gold. Why wouldn't he sell gold? That's just good diversifying. I don't know if uh, Jim Baker does though. I bet he does. I bet he does but it's I bet he doesn't say he does Yeah, yeah, I bet that's the the situation with him. So um, hey, man I know I know that you think chimeras don't belong in church, but A man who's dead now Hurt me on the radio years ago and he said I want you to know he verified who he was And he said I have seen human being animal hybrids in cages crying out. Help me. I'm a human Whoa

For those listening Jordan took his headphones off and Had to back away from the table Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. I'm a human Fuck these people Fuck these fucking people Fuck these fuck and look why I used I was against the death penalty for a long time I was against the death penalty for a long time, but there are a lot of people that need to die That's fucked up. I'm not sure Steve. That's fucked up. Why do they why do they pull this shit?

That's hilarious because we have regular people in cages right now and they're not treating them like human beings That's fair. That's a good point. That's fucked up. It is. Why is this so fucked up, dad? What the what the god damn ever living fuck neighbors god I don't know what to tell you, but I can't I can't oh fuck this fucking guy Jordan this is fucking fuck all these fucking people Fuck all of these fucking people who are gonna pray on your fucking fears of people being in cages And then watch people go into fucking cages. These aren't people in cages These are chimeras in cages who are saying that they're human. Maybe they are or maybe they aren't

Oh, well, you can't trust that you should trust them. They apparently he's not going to make the argument that they're Demons, or wait, he's not. No, he's he's he's like it's look how terrible He's taking a sympathetic approach to the camera. All right. I'm sorry I'm right on board with you and I appreciate your passion and I I agree with your sentiment entirely as well But I you got to compartmentalize. I'm sorry. He's talking about fucking. I know he's talking about fish people with sad human looks on their face I know he's very clearly expressing something that he claims someone told him that alex now relates as a firsthand story On his show, right? It's very clear that steve is the genesis of that That story about fish-faced chimera beings in cages

Yeah, but somebody told steve and he confirmed who it was though He won't tell you or confirm to you who it was. He's dead now. So it doesn't and he's dead now So you don't even need to worry about right all this somebody told him. Oh, that's very credible It's it's look this is by no means considered hearsay in a court of law And I could absolutely prove this I actually do know that world news daily report had an article about other supreme court Actually said that the they needed to reveal the fish people. Oh spirit court decision I don't know I'm starting back in the beginning of this clip because you got so mad

I'm sorry. I was mad Heard me on the radio years ago and he said I want you to know he verified who he was And he said I have seen human being animal hybrids in cages crying out Help me. I'm a human and he said he said look and this guy made the statement. Okay. He made it to me I've talked about on the radio. He said I am An assassin I did that you know and by the way, he sent his son to bible school Even though he was the most profane man I've ever met but he said even as hard as he talked about else When you see a human animal hybrid that was once strictly human and people say they can't do that

If you see it in the headline tom horn says they're doing it in all states in all countries They don't get back to the rebuttal you can't do that Tom horn says they're doing it in every state in every state and in every country It is they aren't pick a country and gola doing it Burkina Faso I don't even know where that is, but they're doing it sub-saharan africa the capitals of waga dugu I know we've had this discussion madagascar. Okay madagascar. Actually, they are doing it there though But that's because madagascar is a whole it's a great study on evolution and island nations

And how you can see the flowering of certain species that would go uh instinct and otherwise places and it's it's a fantastic Also, most of those species are half human that chris rock david schwimmer movie was actually a documentary all those animals and madagascar were chimeras Oh, that makes sense. That's why they were able to talk. Uh-huh. Oh, shit. That's all Oh chris rock has been in on it the whole time course. Uh, of course bigger and more chimera All right I can't I I You know, it's one of those things Okay, all right, you know, all right, you know on the show

There's another guy who's a guest his name is david lankford. He's a preacher But he uh, is mostly silent while uh, steve quail steam rolls over everybody as god intended But he gets to say a little bit here Um, and this is fucking so laughable. Uh, put your mic down for this. It's a little subtle. All right He's telling you to get prepared folks. He's talking about jesus god folks And as a former pastor pastor 27 years I am so tired of these panty waste pastors who won't preach anything

Amen Say anything who won't do anything and they're only concerned about being politically correct and all they want All they want is your money And brother bake, right? I didn't know this till in prayer one day The denominations god's done with them. Amen. He's done with them He's brought us out of the harlot. They could kill you over that. You know, that's okay Well, I just want to warn you. Okay Then they just laugh a bit

Man, I love I love a guy as a guest on jim baker's show saying all these pc preachers Just want your money preachers just want your money. But again, this reflects That's why you can't trust the mega churches dan all the mega. That's not where you can find trying to build a city It's not where you can find god. You can't find god on the mega churches. You find it within info wars That's where you find it. You can't trust those mega war mega churches asking for your money By the way, you can get a year's worth of food for only 600 dollars or when you talk about mega churches You don't get more mega than this guy who has built a city around his Like his commune in the ozarks like in the middle of missouri, right?

He's he has a p.o. Box and Branson because his church is too far away It's out. It's it's essentially an apocalyptic cult. That's funny. Yeah, I don't know one of the those those uh A prosperity gospel guys though. They they own like multiple jets. Yes. They those guys are rich. Yes, they do I'm not saying it's not saying it's a matter of like actual poundage of money. Gotcha. I'm not saying that It's a matter of poundage of food. Well, certainly we're gonna get to that here Second But it's more about like he's created a world Like whereas a lot of these mega church people they get in and get out and then go about their lavish lifestyles and live

Live in mansions and like god fearing people right and they have their jets and what they have the extravagant lifestyle that their mega church affords them But I don't I think from everything I can tell jim baker seems to like Have a commune like yeah, I don't know if he lives there all the time But it would be stupid if he didn't because like I said Laurie's house is giant This stuff that he's building there are giant huge man Like it's crazy like if you have the money to do this and live in a mansion somewhere else I don't even want to consider it. Also. Why would he live anywhere else? He lives in the only place where he's worshiped regularly and safe if he went anywhere else people would be like ha ha ha you're an asshole

Or kick his ass. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of people who probably are really mad at him for Oh for defrauding them ripping them off and stuff like that and I imagine that he probably It's probably a situation where the Ozarks are where you can hide. Yeah. Yeah to some extent that makes sense Anyway, I told you we're gonna get to poundage of food. Yeah, how much poundage of food? Well real quick I don't know if I uh, I fully uh fleshed this out, but that last clip where the guy is talking about the um, the um The these other pc preachers. They just want your money and that stuff right that again Harkins back to another of Alex's main rhetorical tactics, which is accuse people of what you're doing Exactly. It's a very good strategy in order to deflect criticism of yourself when you're very obviously running a scam

Accused people uh of running a scam especially people who have nothing to do with what you're doing just other preachers It's preemptively saying i'm rubber in your glue. That's that's what it is. It's neener. Neener. Yeah So now we get to the poundage pathetic in this clip jim baker Sort of insinuates that if you don't buy his food, you'll be forced to take the mark of the beast That sounds right and then the shit gets weird. Okay into this clip man. I like I gasped Do we have any yelp reviews for his food? Uh, no, but I might be able to look him up during this claim. All right for instance I've got a I've got a granddaughter who's three

I've got a grandson who's about three months And I've got creepy nieces and nephews here now And if they're crying And I keep saying this but nobody wants to hear me, but I want to check you again if I'm I have no food and they're crying. What am I going to do? What am I going to do if little olivia who is the joy of my heart?

You all say well, I'm strong. I'm I'm I'm not going to turn. I'm not going to turn away from god. I won't take the mark of the beast All right I'll believe that when I see it amen But why? Sure, you know My home is filled with food. I have enough food for years and years And uh, I have millions of meals here at morning side And don't even think about coming to steal my food

Weird That's where I gas weird because I couldn't quite weird. I couldn't quite tell what the guy said, but it wasn't good It was something like come on man I know what was that but it's like don't even try don't even think about coming to steal my food. Why? Why would I it was the last thing also? Why wouldn't I if I was hungry you seem weak as shit. Yeah, you're old. Yeah, I could take your food so fast. Well Preach that again, jim, please Well, don't we always say don't come to the hills. No, no believe me everyone. No, but but

It's kind of arm and ready. Oh boy. So lori is like everyone here has guns. We are I mean you thought waco is bad. We'll burn everybody down So uh npr. I found a review of the food Article called apocalypse chow where they tried. All right npr. All right npr. Um, let's let's pull it back a bit Here's uh, here. I'll just read to you from the article. This is blind. I don't know if this is going to be a good review Okay, uh here at npr We tried the creamy potato soup macaroni elbows and cheese powder and the chicken noodle soup And of course we had to test the chocolate pudding for dessert gotta

Save for the pudding the dishes were extremely salty and had odd lingering aftertaste We couldn't agree on which was worse the thick potato soup that felt like eating wet cement The strong chemical overtones of the chocolate pudding or the disturbing radioactive orange of the macaroni and cheese Pro tip did not make the mistake we made of adding more cheese than the recipe calls for I feel like that's on npr fair enough once again liberals ruined everything a chef's review Uh, quote. It's awful. It's trash. Greg laurel a sheaf a chef who lives and works in brooklyn new york tells the salt In a november video for sploit laurel cooks and taste tests several dishes from baker's survivalist bucket Italian marinara the potato soup black bean

Italian marinara is apocalypse food. Sure black bean burgers stroganoff and chocolate pudding They taste he says like quote paper mache quote a bathroom at a bar at the end of the night in a college town And simply one of the worst things i've ever eaten in my life Frank davis is the founder of food for health international one of the two companies that manufacture the food for the jim baker Show he takes issue with laurel's brutal critique of survival. I would imagine so I would imagine so Um, according to him these dishes are actually quite tasty Especially when you consider that they could last up to 40 years when stored an ideal basement like condition

Hunger is the best spice dish quote. It's not crucial to you Not to use anything that could go rancid like animal fats or it's crucial not to use anything like that Even though animal fats make a cheaper more flavorful base. There's no way uh, that will work We use a vegetarian base, but as npr notes not all products are vegetarian Many like the instant potatoes have rendered chicken fat the creamy stroganoff ingredients list a vegetarian beef base uh, bubba bubba Uh, it's all uh quote. This is the chef again laurel It's off putting that baker is trying to sell this stuff on its taste when it doesn't look or taste anything like he advertises

So there's that yeah I don't know if you're buying a year's worth of food or seven. Yeah, it it's not gonna taste good. No, that's just that's just There if you if you I mean if you're already predisposed to buying a year's worth of food I don't think taste is big on your on your list of Priorities probably that's all I'm saying probably not. I feel like that's that's a little bit unfair But because the point of this food is you haven't been able to eat and you won't be able to eat anything else Right if you're just looking for calorie mush then go for it. Yeah. Yeah, this seems fine But at the same time

Yeah, come on a great um I I would say that he's not marketing food as food right he's using these tricks and this fear in order to uh To uh to sell the food and there's actually there's there's one interesting clip from one of his commercials on this episode That I found jarring and it was because it's so indicative of every I mean, it's just standard telemarket or televangelist shit, but it was just like So do it today Well, you know, we don't know what the future brings But

We can be ready. Yes for the future. Yes. So this is the day That I believe god's been speaking to you to call and to do it and you haven't done it But I believe that god is really speaking to someone To be prepared and if you haven't even started Maybe today is the day you need to order that seven years of food You'll not be disappointed if you prepare Well, we have to get back to our program right now. Yes. Yeah, you gotta gotta get back to the program Geez, I was I was I will say they have one commercial for a product that I was like

I mean, that's out of my price range, but that's pretty cool They have a they have a generator like a fuelless generator that they sell for like $3,000. Oh, yeah But it looks really cool like it's a fuelless generator. Yeah Yeah, because you what you can do is you can hook it up to solar panels So they comes with a couple solar panels you can hook up to the back It's apparently allegedly. Yeah, it charges in two hours with the solar panels Yeah, or whatever, you know, there's other ways to power it like if you can find an outlet You can charge it and it'll charge

But it has like usb ports. It has like, you know for phones and stuff like there's that's actually great It's got a bunch of if that works that I I want one of that's what I'm saying Yeah, but I'm looking at that not as a doomsday thing. I'm like, that's good That that's just useful a smaller version of that would be amazing for like camping and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, absolutely So I'm just looking at that. I'm like, you know what? I'd forgotten that generators have probably come a long way since I've ever considered it It's like it wasn't even the product they're selling. It's like I might need a generator multiple outlets on it as a pretty that's a pretty cool thing. Yeah. Yeah

Usb ports fuck. Yeah. So at this point now, I really want a generator. Um, uh at this point We get to some fear and then we will power out of this. We will wrap up with something terrifying That in the last days, you will have to defend if If the gangs are going to take in the city, you don't even want to live in the city Oh, of course not. You know, I want to tell you something if sunny sides, I would I would buy a condo or a house or a cave or something cave Morningside or a farm. I go buy a farm somewhere. I'd get away from the cities I want to tell you one minute after the cities go crazy one minute after the power goes out

They're going to be burning the cities and the gangs you don't understand the gangs I lived in prison with them I want to tell you something they're going to take what they want and if grandma is holding A rose turkey in her hand and and they want it on it. They'll cut grandma's head off. Yep And take the turkey They don't have mercy When people are hungry and then they're not converted. They're going to take what they want It will be hell on earth. Jesus allows you to not feel hunger. Also. Um, that's science

I'm not I'm I mean sure certainly get a hypothetical gang members that you're certainly using Racist fear to depict. I was there in prison. Yes I have a swastika tattooed on my ass, but I did that to survive. You don't understand the gangs move out to sunny side I'm selling condos. I was in uh, free nazi tattoos for everyone I was in a prison cell with linden larouche What kind of gangs are you dealing with if you're in a fucking prison cell? You two rich old con men in a minimum security prison. Yeah kind of fucking gangs. Were you in there? You're just trying to lend yourself some stupid credibility worst gangs now the idea those

I mean, he's just using classic racist fear basically. Yeah, the marauding the marauding minorities and gangs coming in seven days Everyone will eat each other. Everyone will eat each other. Now. Here's the thing I want to say I don't think it's great if a gang wants to behead your grandma for a turkey or a chicken or whatever you're saying a roast chicken I think she's probably better tasting I will say actively what jim baker does as a career is talking that old woman into giving away her turkey Or chicken. That's a very good point. He is just using a different tactic in order to get the exact same thing that the gangs do

He uses emotional manipulation fear of religious shit. That's all made up and apparently giants In order to trick grandma into selling sending what she can't afford to send these gangs will use the threat of violence To take your grandmother's turkey And I will only use the threat of the threat of violence to take your grandmother's turkey Right. I am a good man. Now the only way that actually makes sense is like Don't buy my food Buy a home in my community where I have millions of meals. Right. That's the only way this makes sense Right because then you're safe in his

Apparently everyone has guns well armed uh food den I don't know. I hate this guy. This is so weird. I am feeling so many terrible Like legitimately I am offended as the 10 year old christian boy that I was right even like even for even then you would have been like Come on. I like right now. I believe that christianity is the fucking worst and organized religion is killing all of us But for some reason like there's that there's that like Like no matter how old you grow or how your opinions change like there's that 10 year old Part of you that was raised that you're never going to be able to scrub completely away

And 10 year old me is like this is a terrible interpretation of the bible You are spitting on jesus' face and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself and when the time comes You will burn in hell for eternity jim baker and the only reason that you would do this shit is if you knew 100% that god wasn't real the way he behaves is so cynical like it's it's even for us Yeah, it's brutal. I I don't understand how you get to that moral place And like it it sucks because a lot of the victims are probably well meaning people who aren't that cynical They're all well. I mean they can't be cynical. Oh, no, you're right. You're right. Some of them are probably uh dumb But like there there there's a lot of people who like I know that my grandma buys a lot of stuff off like qvc

Yeah, or did I'm not sure if she still does but like I would get these horrible stupid christian gifts That she would send like one she's two years in a row for christmas or my birthday I can't remember which she sent me a book that was a tour guide to heaven And it was just about like same book. Yeah, oh boy But it was written like in the structure of like as if it was a hotel that you were going to Nice, and so like you open it up and it's like are the streets really paved in gold. Yes Like I was like So it didn't even bother to disabuse you of your bullshit notions

I was like, all right Cool cool And I know that she had to have gotten that somewhere and it's the same thing right But she didn't meet she wasn't trying to con me into being religious She had the best intentions although misguided of like I believe we're going to go to hell if you don't do these right things and I don't want you to go to hell And she'd you know act it out on it poorly But the people on the next level the people selling the books that are used as

Unfortunate gifts are all conning. Yeah people below them And I think that's actually the case with almost every church quite frankly I would I would agree I think the lower you down you get the more sincere things probably are the higher up people kind of realize that this is a business It's it's fascinating to me because it is Something that they themselves not unitarians Uh, no, they seem pretty chill. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know enough about it I know a bunch of like hey everybody's cool. It seems like yeah, it's tough to make money

Well, and even in my small town there was a church that had the that had uh In in my small town growing up. I had two World rocking events in the christian community one new gent came to town first woman pastor Whoa, everybody talking about it. That is quite everybody talking about it five years later Lesbian pastor. Oh boy Whole town went apes. See this is cultural Marxism whole town went apes. This is the slippery slope of subjectivism But that's that's the thing to me christianity exemplifies the worst thing And that's the thing that they argue and they you bitch about all the time

Which is the idea that it is the smart versus the dumb Like that's what christians always fight against like that's the idea you can't go to college You can't do don't go to the colleges because they're fighting against you It's the smart versus the dumb. They're trying to turn you into them and they're using the fact that you're Not capable really of looking past this because you're dumb You're dumb That's what it is and that lesbian pastor that exemplifies to me

believing like actually believing because if you are a lesbian and you believe in in christianity Fuck you got to believe it man. You got to believe that shit's real true. Otherwise Damn, you are aligning yourself with the entire organ that's trying to murder you. Yeah, you know, yeah, that's a good point Like that's that's that's because that's what this is. It's the smart versus the dumb It's jim baker knowing that you're too stupid to see through this shit. And if you had even the The slightest modicum of critical thinking skills, you would look at this and go Wow, is that dumb and it's the same thing with alex jones, which is why he always says they think you're stupid

Exactly. It's the same thing. He knows he's playing on those those same Insecurities and those same deep-seated feelings that people have of not wanting to be dumb Yeah, and most people aren't as dumb as a lot of people think I guess I don't know I have no idea how to make a broad generalization, but I do know That we're about to meet another employee of jim baker industries. No, so you're gonna sing a song. No, I wish I did not find a song No, but this we meet Someone I got to say looks like she's 14. I don't think she is

Oh, shit That's actually a really important question that I have before you contain. I'm so sorry to interrupt you again I know you're trying to get into a clip and I'm doing that thing where I interrupt you right before you get into a clip You're fine because I just had a thought that came from your I'm sorry Is the music any good? I know I do you know what here's the thing the videos that they put out don't often have the band playing in it Then what the fuck's the point? Well, you just need to hear steve talk about giants What the fuck is the point? I'm sure that the music is is exactly as good as that end time song

I know that's bad You have different perspectives. I'm just saying the only reason that church is even redeemable is because the music is fucking A not true intense. Not true. Yeah when I was in my youth group Uh, oh, no, that's a whole different story. They had a praise band. No, that's that's the worst thing that's ever happened Drums guitar bass all that stuff. It was just sort of a vehicle for the I guess he's probably like 20 something year old Music leader. Yep to be the front man of a band Uh, and so they did covers of like meet virginia. Oh, yeah, I don't understand how this is a christian song I don't understand what this is doing at church, but we loved it

You just described and loved it every youth pastor in this entire fucking country Except you didn't add in that he was uh guilty of sexually abusing children not the youth pastor This is the youth music leader. Oh, he was the like second in command to be the actual youth pastor Oh, Shane. Oh, Shane was the youth pastor Shane name him. Uh, what I don't remember his last name Well, fuck Shane, uh Yeah, probably yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know But the other one they do is uh jumper We should step back from that

I did the same thing when I was when I was in the youth The youth group or whatever they did the same bullshit covers, of course Yeah, it seems like there might have been like some sort of a worldwide religious Summit they got together and they're like these are the songs that are okay Yep to cover and like time of your life everywhere didn't have that one everywhere. We didn't do that I think that my guy, uh, can't remember his name now the music guy, but I think you probably thought the green day was too hard Or something like that It's like I don't want to sing time of your life because or good riddance as it were

Oh, no, you can't sing good. But the same song It's a different song same song. I know parentheses time of but if you if you do that Then you run the risk of the kids finding more green day stuff and then maybe They'll find out what the word dukey means, right? But then it's totally fine to have train I don't know I Train which song was trained No, was that the one well that was no train was the one where it was like drops of jupiter drops of jupiter

That was another big hit. Yeah, yeah, Virginia. I think was their first hit. So now we meet this employee. All right There's Giovanna Smile you you're lori's favorite employee Lori love you girl. Yeah, and she Would you take care of her? I don't have a microphone there, but she's audio and Would you say that you're an alaskan or are you a hillbilly now? Oh, I'm the billy in Alaska And

So you you know if you were up there with your mom and dad No matter what's happened you'd survive, right? See and nobody's gonna say, oh you stupid family. I know they wouldn't so then her her parents No, don't tell me her parents are there her parents are there Very specific reason we'll get to they don't tell me they live there. No, but we'll get to a very specific reason in a second I just I just like her response, which is which might as well have been like I'm not playing your game. This is a job. No. No. No. No. No. She's nervous. Yeah, I'm telling you she looks like she's 14 Okay, she's not I know that for another reason that I'll explain in a moment. Okay. Okay, but the um

So the parents are there and after this gym gets into like a uh You know, you know in Alaska you probably kill a moose All right, how many pounds of meat isn't that moose? Oh, and this is gonna turn into guess what not as many pounds as the potatoes Not really, but he's riffing around with this guy about killing moose and living in alaska and how it's a subsistence Kind of lifestyle like that at all, but it's just more like trying to reinforce in different non directly sales ways The idea of needing to survive Right, right, right

So now the reason that she is there and they talk to her and she's lori's favorite employee And her parents are there which is kind of rapey now Or because the show ends with a video package about her and her what wait Mike down I think the exciting thing about my daughter being in this program is really the personalities Is really the people that have connected with her have invested into her Have really given the time and the effort and the experience and And sewn into her those things that she's now using that I knew if I

Stayed home or if I went anywhere else. I would be unsatisfied Um and knowing that this if I did anything else, I would have be fulfilling the calling That god had for me. So she came here Uh with some experience behind the camera Some desire and interest in that and found out that really her niche is audio So this goes on for a long time and that music swells and at the end man, it's kicking in Yeah, that is what really got me that swelling music over like the Dad and the daughter talking about like having a good time in life. No, this is an espm 30 for 30 of a tennis player

Or whatever it is man, it got to me. Yeah, do you understand what's going on here? Jim baker is straight up charging people to indoctrinate their children Teach them how to use specific technology that his show uses then turn them into employees Under the guise of something he calls morning side school of media. What? He's running a scam college Oh Yeah, buddy. I The moment I heard her voice

You can look at my notes. The first thing I wrote was this is fucked up. It's very fucked up You continued on and now I am furious. It's so what I think he's she looks like she's 14 15 16 It's tough for me to tell but I do know that from the website He doesn't allow anyone under 18 into the morning school morning side school of media So at mornings, this is the this is from their description At morning side school of media, you'll receive hands-on training from some of the best and brightest minds and broadcasting exclamation point As you work alongside them to produce a nationally syndicated television show You'll be learning how to use high definition cameras state-of-the-art audio equipment and professional editing software to create content that airs

On the ptl television network and the jim baker show this hands-on approach will will oh boy This is a cut and paste here and it says will you you a one-of-a-kind experience that cannot be found in any book It can't be found in a book. Uh, it could be found at real schools. Also, um I find I find it not to be an education when it's just send your kids here We'll give them a bed and then you can watch they can watch us create the show And then eventually become the people who create the show. Do you know what? That's actually less of a scam than a lot of uh regular colleges. It's not accredited No, I'm not saying it's accredited but but I I spent uh my very first semester in uh college was in audio production

uh If if it were that it would be less of a scam than it was. I'm not it was a scam I'm not saying that you can't learn some skills from this, but you'll have no degree No, what you should do is just go to a audio production facility and just be like volunteer to radio station and learn Exactly, but there's a lot of like look It's very clear to me that what we have here is a peter pan situation Where there's the lost children that come in and they're the ones making the show You will see like there's a cutaway that goes to the booth when he's talking to her as like

Laurie's favorite employee. It just looks like there's kids work in the booth It looks like he just has a child army that's running the show I would argue that's more of a peter piper situation That peter pan. No, it's peter pan because she looks 14 and is clearly 20 fair enough to want to grow up So the morning site school of media costs 5500 a year and it's a two-year program cheaper than what I spent That's jim a cool 11 grand per student that comes through his doors The FAQ about the about the school specifically states that uh when discuss uh discuss That the FAQ specifically says this when discussing why they don't offer grants or scholarships at all

Oh quote. Oh, what is the FAQ's answer about this dan? I am very curious quote Almost every student who will come to morning site school of media will have a different story of how god provided for them financially Many of the support stories truly are miracles and for that reason we agree with you in prayer That if god has called you he will support the finances for the school year Also as a general rule we do not offer payment plans and Also Tuition is not Tuition is not tax deductible

Non-refundable also if you're looking if you're looking for a fun college experience don't come and knock in at morning site You can get kicked out for swearing smoking or using quote sexual innuendo non-refundable pornography is completely forbidden Non-refundable you're not allowed to have a job while you're there studying in quotes non-refundable They consider it to be a 24 seven commitment to be in this school of media Also Also big thing to consider Uh, unless you're on Verizon, you probably won't be able to contact the outside world Because sprint and AT&T

Do not reach that's on the fact. Yes It says they have a Verizon tower nearby So if you're on Verizon, you'll probably be okay Oh good But if you're on the other ones people have had problems with getting a signal side note We do not allow so print or a or we do not allow Verizon customers to join this group Oh, that is the way that's a weird post script. But yeah, it's a weird post script But for some reason not being able to contact the outside world is a feature and not a bug

I mean it is this is this is indoctrination. No, this is absolutely a cult. I was really really scared of this Scientology, I was really really really scared of it when I saw her Because I thought she was a child Yeah, and knowing that she went at 18 makes it a little different, but it's still super fucked up Um, the other thing is that the boys and girls that come to the school have to stay separately Yeah, well, that's that's a given. Well, I already assumed that a long time ago But now we find out what lori's house is actually for it's for housing these kids that come It's not really about abortions or pregnancies. I don't think she's helping anyone in crisis crisis pregnancy. She made a dorm

She made a dorm. She made a dorm. She made a dorm for these girls who come right so they don't end up in coed situations Where there's temptation. Oh Oh, because if you fuck you figure out that god's not real, right? Or if you smoke or you uh, Or if you swear if you say fuck while fucking that's double. That's a double blessing. Double blessing It's like an heirloom. See So jordan that brings us to the end of our uh, thank christ our investigation our primary because we're gonna go back to Oh, we're gonna go to jim baker for sure Um, but that brings us to the end of our uh, dipping our toe into the waters of jim baker

And I'd like to ask you what do you feel now that we've come to the come to the because I know why I did this Yeah, but I'm wondering what you're coming away with it Uh from it with there. Is it the same as I intended that that sort of thing? Um, I am coming away with it uh with a newfound knowledge of my uh, uh Fucked up upbringing and how it still affects me. Okay, uh, but most importantly I am thinking about how The in like if we were to talk about alex in the present day The thing that is getting to me is that there's only one reaction that you can have which is turn it off Exactly. It's just like it's cancerous. There's there's only one way to respond to that. We can no longer

Like I'm not saying that we can never do a present day alex episode again Well, let me let me let me put it to you this way in a way that maybe you'll find to be not true or whatever But yeah, it is I love all right. Well, that's not giving me many options up top but continue. I love spicy stuff I love really spicy stuff. Okay. So like I've got these like ghost pepper sauces and I enjoy them Well, most people don't most people do not enjoy them and they find them intolerable. Yes, which is alex jones before I find it tolerable most people can't listen to it

But I think there's some value in uh in experiencing it I can do it and I can tell you about what the sauce is like and you can experience it on a second hand Level and together we can make it entertaining on a third hand level or however But there are other things that are like Their sauces that are gross and they're too hot right ones that are like five six million scoville units or whatever ones that are just like What's the fucking point of this don't eat that right and that's what alex jones is like jamming those spices into your Fucking eyes and rubbing them around until you're blind in the present. He is like putting um

A scotch bonnet up your butthole. Yeah, like yeah, there's no reason to engage with it at all There's nothing to engage with no It's there's really the only response at this point is like as And and thank god for the heroes who keep doing it But the only response to these people now is get the fuck out if you're if sarah Huckabee sanders is in your restaurant tell her to get the fuck out If alex is anywhere near you tell them to get the fuck out. Maybe we can talk later After all this shit is over. But for now get the fuck out. Yeah, absolutely

Listening to this though now i'm back on the like Let's have fun talking about con men. These people are evil right but jim baker is dumb evil jim baker is Dumb dumb dumb dumb evil. It's fairly dumb But then there's also the like lust for money over. Yeah decorum. Oh, yeah So like he doesn't know how to not make it obvious He's trying to con you into buying potatoes Absolutely because he doesn't need to most of the time Like it's it's a calculus that people do and I think alex has done it with white

nationalism to a certain extent like jim baker does it I'm sure that not him but some employee does a little bit of math and they figure out all right 80 percent of the people who watch this are going to watch and be like Look at this asshole right and then turn it off But the 20 percent of people maybe five percent of that 20 percent are going to end up buying stuff So who cares if you make it over if you make it over You're not going even if you're subtle about it. You're not going to trick that 80 percent anyway Yeah, who gives a shit? Yeah, let them go

Focus on that five percent of the 20 percent and to a certain extent the 20 percent as a whole And that's where you're gonna make the money the fact that the 20 percent exists as a community Will only make the five percent more likely right they'll feel guilt about the other 15 percent exactly We need to keep this going for them. There's a social pressure. There's a whole thing Absolutely, and I think alex has done that more with bigotry than than his sales because I think his sales are on a Fucking much lower level than jim's and somehow the demic product party has not figured out how to do that with progressives Uh It's it's not easy to con people into doing the right thing. It's not it's somehow

Somehow they're trying though to con people into not doing the right thing That's the weird thing about the democratic party right now. They're really trying hard Actually, I'm actually and now I'm now I'm interested to see how uh, uh, or tes did in the uh, uh special In the primary for the 14th district of new york Well, we'll know once this episode is over and out. So yeah, I'm interested to find out how that goes Yep. Um, well, I'm glad that this was fun. This was fun. Uh, jim baker is a hoot There are a lot of other people who are on my my sort of radar But there aren't as many people who have uh, like

Frequent content. Yeah, you know like alex jim puts shit out every day really does puts out a couple things a week Yeah, you know, they're these people are people who give Uh You gotta give them that well, there's gotta you gotta give props where it's due There's a lot to cover they produce content But then there's people who are like like mike sernovich does tons of stuff on periscope and i'm sure you can find those audio Uh video streams go over that doesn't seem as fun But if anybody out there if you have other ideas of people who we might have overlooked, uh, certainly

Uh, send uh email send a message to us. Hopefully maybe maybe we'll give it a look But for now i'm i'm excited to expand uh and talk cons Yeah, yeah because man the With jim baker, it's just so fucking pathetic

It's just such money grabbing crazy like there's nothing like that's that's what Like that's what really fascinates me about these prosperity gospel guys and these these uh jim bakers of the world where it's like Wow, you have nothing you believe it if you take religion and you take the Like ultimately kind hearted belief that

life is about being kind to others life is about Serving a power that asks you to do what's best And you turn that into i'm a billionaire Man you got nothing going on in the heart space Well, and if you do that and then you commit massive fraud Yeah, and then go to prison for five years write a book called i was wrong About specifically how you got a lust for money and that got you off track from the love of god And then go right back to it. You're doing the exact you do the scam again on a bigger scale

It's like geez. All right. Well. I mean you learned the lesson not to build hotels. Yeah, fine You just have cottages. So you built your own condos right you have cottages and condominiums great Proud of them so ridiculous. Anyway, jordan. It's your turn, but That uh, if you want more of our show you go to knowledge fight.com absolutely You can go to at knowledge underscore fight on twitter We are on facebook you can uh go to itunes subscribe leave review do all that stuff so people find us However, it is the algorithms work. I don't understand it. Do whatever they do, right? Yeah

Tell them Tell them Um, so who who uh, who's gonna fuck themselves today serve? Oh boy, I mean, it's all Jim Baker. I mean my first thought is dan quell, but that's not right. No, uh I'm gonna have to you No, no, no, no, no, I because I think there's a larouche. I think there's a dark dark master behind all of this Are you I don't like where I think you're going with. I think you know exactly where I'm going

Does she look like tammy fey you better goddamn believe she does you don't remember her name? No, I know her name. Okay. I know her fucking name. She's the one who's behind all that Jim is an old fucking man who doesn't know how to do anything else. He does seem to be doddering a little bit This is like this is like a Former baseball player a former major league baseball player in the minors at like 55 He just doesn't know what else to do with this life. I will tell you who does know what's going on And that's fucking lorry baker. You can go fuck yourself Andy and chanzas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

So Alex I'm a first-time color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you