Knowledge Fight - #178: Rowdy Roddy Piper w/ Marty DeRosa

Episode Date: July 9, 2018

Today, Dan tells "Replacement Jordan" Marty DeRosa about the time that Rowdy Roddy Piper unfortunately appeared on the Alex Jones Show. It's real sad to wrestle with how dumb Piper is, given how cool he seems to have been, but reality is reality. Also, Dan and Marty get off-track about a hundred times, mostly about cop TV shows.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. Today, Jordan is, he's had a nice weekend out of the Chicago improv, doing some stand-up comedy. So his schedule was too compact in order to get into the studio and record an episode where we would talk a bunch about Alex Jones and Drinking Olody beverages. And in his absence, I'm thrilled to welcome back into the studio

someone who I know a few things about. One of them. He loves wrestling. That's about it, ladies and gentlemen. You don't know more about me than that. What else do you know about me? Oh, you're from Indiana. You had an obsession with tree houses as a child. What? Didn't you always want to break into people's tree houses or climb up other people's trees? I was as an adult. Okay, fair enough. I was as an adult. Let's see. What else do I know about you? Former fleshlight owner. Absolutely. Backyard wrestler. That goes back

into the loving wrestling thing. And former, former one-time professional wrestler. Hurricane Rana achiever. Hurricane Rana achiever. That's pretty huge. I've seen three angles of that video now. Each one better than the last. Still gets better. You were unvictorious though, along with Colt Cabana down at Pancakes and Pile Drivers. What they say in the wrestling business, Dan, is you go in this business on your back and you leave on your back. Sure. You had to put the guys over.

You got to put, look, they're going to be here. I'm gone. Those kids. I'm going to put those kids over. That's big of you. Yeah. I respect that a whole bunch. I'm on Alex Jones' beard watch. Uh-huh. Oh, he, we, we joked right before we started recording that we might talk about his beard this entire time. He, when he first started. Right. The, the victory beard, as he called it. Oh yeah. It, he had one of those beard, sometimes like if I have a little, like if I have to shave or whatever and I have like a five day growth or something,

I'm like, that looks cool. He has the one, he has that face that it looks like if you did an old timey, like hobo, like all he needs is like a little cigar. Sure. You know, and like, and a bendal. Yeah. The bandana with all his goods wrapped in it. Like he just looks like a train wreck. It looks like a disaster. And I think someone on our Facebook group, which is called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Someone on there made a good comment that this is probably his way of trying to transition into being a bald guy with a goatee. Hey, like a cool bald goatee man.

We've all been there. At least I have. I've, I think I probably actually did do that in like high school. Did you? Because I used to shave my head in high school. Yeah. Like a, like a dick. You got a good, you got a good head for a buzz cut. No, sir. No, sir. You should see the back. Because you know what I like? You got the, you got the peak. You have the widow's peak. Good man. I have a widow's peak up front, but then I have the fat rolls on the back of the head. What are you gonna do? So my head just looks like a, like a horizontal butt. There's some stuff in the back of my head that I'm like, you know what? It doesn't matter. We're just gonna have to go with it. Bam, bam. Bigelow wrinkles.

Not really. Just a little weird, like bump. I got a little bump. There's a single bump. Just a single bump. Was that from taking, taking a bump? No, it's like a bone. It's like a bone. Oh, shit. But you know, I don't have, I don't have those Joe Rogan hair transplant scars. That's good. I saw him the other day and he was like, Alex, I love you. I saw that on the, uh, love you. You're my best friend. Like you loved Alex on the Joey Diaz episode. Yeah. Yeah. That was pathetic. Although it was very weird where it was like, I don't know what they were talking about before that. If you could bring up the clip even, I don't want to. I'm not gonna do that, but I'm done talking about a movie or something. He's like, yeah, then they kidnap

them and then everyone fucked up. Anyway, let's talk about Alex Jones. I'm like, what were you talking about? Might just be talking about QAnon stuff. Maybe. But anyway, anybody who's like, Alex, you're my friend. I love you. You love Alex Jones. Well, he loves him in the same way that like, I probably love a comic. I love Joe Fernandez. Exactly. No, like I, I've, I can't think of a specific example and if I could, it would be shitty to name them. But like, I've probably met comedians at festivals that I haven't seen in years, but I think of them and I'm like, I love that person. We had such a good time at X, Y or Z. Yeah, they have a show where they're racist and you're too busy to watch that show though. You're doing eight podcasts a week

yourself. I don't know, man. I guess they're, they seem cool to me. That's my favorite. I say comedy term, but it's probably in every, every branch of life. I don't know. They've always been cool to me. Right. That's like, do you like Alex Jones? He's a monster. I don't know. He's always been cool to me. That's a coward's way. That's how we end up in the situation. I hate that. Yeah, it's so bad. So unless that person has been cool to me. I don't know. Yeah. Other people's experiences are secondhand and there's some digression kid who was like, I don't know. Drake was cool to me. Sure. Rick was cool. Rick was cool. Rick was cool to somebody. He's friends with Toby. Anyway, Toby sucks. Fuck Toby always. So Marty. Yes. It's a thrill to have you back in the studio.

I'm going in blind. I don't know what we're doing. No one knows. It's actually, it's a, you know, I found something that is almost not to be believed quite frankly. And we'll get into it here in a few, but I was actually, I was thinking a little bit. I wanted to talk to you because I have been thinking about the art of healing, not like medicine, but like stones or anything like that. Not like Ray Key, but like the nature of the heel in wrestling and how it's the harder story to tell probably than the face. There's a face. Here's my theory. You can correct me if I'm wrong. So much of what a face does relies on sort of natural charisma, amplifying natural charisma to get people to like you, to get them like the crowd to want to

see this person defeat the heel. The heel has to sort of hit buttons, fairly specific buttons that they wouldn't probably want to make people feel. Like back in the day, there would be people who played racist angles in order to like, and they're, they may not be racist themselves, but they're doing that to try and trigger the audience to hate them. And then also the other aspect of it, they're playing against themselves to a certain extent. And then also I think it's a more compelling narrative thing because it allows for redemption narratives. Whereas with the hero, it can only be like, well, I don't like them as much as I used to. Whereas coming out of the hole of being someone who the audience hates coming up to like, now we like you, I think it's

just, I think it's much more interesting and much more difficult. I don't know. What are your thoughts? I've never seen you take notes on this podcast. In this day and age, in this day and age, it's, it's very hard to have defined roles as, as heels, the bad guys, baby faces, the good guys, especially in like WWE female, good females, bad females, whatever. So back in the day, it was Hulk Hogan was the good guy. Sure. And, you know, Sergeant Slaughter was the bad guy or the chic or the chic, you know, so that was well defined. But somewhere along the lines of when we started getting into like the late nineties, the attitude errors, they call it, you had what was kind of called the cool heel, right? Like DX. Yeah, but now this happened back in the day because

like the four horsemen. So if you'd watch old NWA, old school world championship wrestling, there would be guys wearing suits in the front row and they would all be throwing up the four horsemen symbol. Dusty Rhodes started getting booed a lot. Hogan would get booed sometimes. So there was this, this thing where it was like, okay, okay. One of the things that led to it was the good guy had to be kind of naive sometimes, right? Like Sting would always be like, yeah, I'll be your partner. Sure. And then they would turn on him. It's like, Sting, you're a dummy. So if you watch for any extended period of time, you kind of get like, why am I cheering for this guy? He's dumb. It's like, idiot, you're going to team up with the guy. That's a big problem in

wrestling is continuity. And obviously it's like, yeah, they don't give a shit. But with the cool heel, and then it's like the NWO and then it's like, oh, shit, more people are wearing the bad guy's shirts. And they would come out and go, you're here to see WCW like, oh, this hillbilly company or the NWO and everybody would go crazy. Also the big thing in wrestling. Do you think that that's a function of changing dynamics or just not having good faces for them to go? No, I think it was, I think it was just kind of the changing dynamics because it was like, the Sopranos were popular. I was asking this a sincere question because I have no idea. Because you get a lot of those anti heroes. And that was the big thing. All the bad, you know what

I mean? It's like, you look at any genre, it's like people like Deadpool. They're like Superman that much anymore. Like he's a weenie. Deadpool is cool. He calls people, you know, dickheads and stuff. Deadpool would punch a Nazi. Yeah. And then I mean like Captain America. Yeah, I don't know. But like, and then there's guys who, and then now fans are a little more smart. That's what we say in wrestling. They're more smart. So we know when it's like, you're pushing like Roman Reigns as a prime example. If you don't know Roman Reigns, Vince McMahon always says this is like number one. This is my number one face of the company guy. It was Hulk Hogan and it was a warrior. Stone Cold the Rock. This is the guy who is like, when you think of my company, this is the guy who I want

on like good morning America. Absolutely. Absolutely. And for a ton of different reasons, it's been like the perfect storm of bad reasons or bad happenstance for this guy. It's kind of like Murphy's Law with this guy. It's like anytime the way here we go, fans are like, yeah, but this so we don't like him even more now. Roman Reigns has been the guy. Won't stop wearing the vest. Kept the music of the shield. The Daniel Bryan thing. There's just so many things that I was just like, everyone's like, ah, fuck Roman Reigns. I think he's great. I think he's a great wrestler. Sure. But they're just like, nope, he's the guy and the fans don't want to be told. I do like how he cocks his arm. Whenever I watch it, I love that. Whenever I watch it home, I always go

like he's cocking it. I like I've actually told you some really some opinions that you have been violently opposed to that I have turned out to be correct on. Which is one of them was that I really liked John Cena back when everyone was hating him. And you were you're like, you can't like him. Well, the other one was Elias when he first showed up. I was like, this is awesome. You call the liest and there's some guys who just are made for the main roster and Elias is one of them. There was a third one too. And I can't remember what it was. But there's a third one that you're like, nope, this guy sucks. I'm like, no, you shut your mouth. Look, I can be turned on my decisions. I can be I can be shown the right way. And in in Elias's direction, he's got to get better

in the ring. But otherwise he's he's a guy true heal. But now let's see that. But now people starting to like him. Exactly. So it's tough. And to be a good heal. A lot of times, you eventually have to like get your comeuppance. That's why a lot of people don't like Stephanie McMahon. She's a heal, but she never gets her comeuppance. Except from rowdy Rhonda Rousey. Yeah. But but then she was on TV a couple weeks later or the next night, she didn't have a broken shit at a broken arm. Absolutely. You know, it's all that stuff need the window dressing. Yeah. So I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well, I'm just it's just one of those things where like that old Batman saying it's like you're the hero long enough until you become the villain. There are just like beloved like

Tanahashi in Japan, who's like the Hulk Hogan, the John Cena, Japan. After a while, people kind of start booing him. Okada was the champ for a while. After a while, people stopped booing and started booing him. It just happens. But yeah, yeah, I can see that. So that leads me to my question that I was trying to get to that was long. No, very interesting stuff. And I think I think it's I think a lot of people wish for life to be a lot like wrestling in terms of that. Like, you know, the bad guy having a redemption. Like I know a lot of people ask me about like, do you think there was any point where it's possible for Alex to turn face? It was that he had that window. I don't think so. No, I don't. I think from what I've gleaned

from studying 2009, I think he was a white supremacist from day one. Really? Yeah, I don't think there's any like I think I think there's a lot of things that people missed in his language. And he was on board. Well, I can tell to when he brings up growing up and his his relationship with black people. Oh, boy. Clearly. Oh, boy. There's been some some things I bet. And it was probably like I'm the victim of it when I was a kid. I bet he got a cup. I bet I don't know if maybe it was just yelling at a guy. I bet it was just one good ass kicking. Yeah. And I bet I bet like I bet here's what I bet one black guy beat up like Alex and three or two of his friends and they ran away and he got he got the brunt of it. It's possible. I mean, I don't know who knows.

No one would be able to tell now. Yeah. But he grew up in Rockwall, Texas. And I looked it up because it's a big suburb of Dallas now. But he grew up there in the 70s. 1970 census, the population was 3100 people. Like it's a small suburb that probably was, you know, formulaic houses, McMansion type houses, people didn't want to live in Dallas now because the population was too high and too urban. Yep. That's my guess. So his all his stories about growing up are all stupid. But the reason I bring this up all of this. We had a game we'd play. We'd punch the walls hardest we could after the Motley Crew concert. It's a good game. That's a good game. Oh man. That for everyone who hasn't listened to all of our episodes, that is a real thing. That is

a real thing. Alex talks about showing how tough they are by punching a steel door. Not as a kid. No, it was as an adult. It was as an adult. Sometimes you get a little rowdy. I get it, Alex. Sometimes me and my friends get rowdy and drunk and we chop each other at bars. You know what I mean? So Marty, this is what I want to get to. Yes. Who are your top five heels of all time in the WWE WCW era? I was going to say Roger Stone. Number one, Roger Stone is the best heel in the game right now. Absolutely. And I always talk about this. He's the Ric Flair of Info Wars. He's a dirty player. You know how Starbucks shut down for a day and they made everybody have those like race relations things. If I ran MSNBC, CNN, all those guys, I would sit them down. They would

shut down for one day. We would watch that Roger Stone documentary, get Roger Stone, and we would just be like, this is the playbook. You guys are not playing by the playbook. Some guys are. Sam Cedars, dude. Yeah, yeah. Michael Brooks, Sam Cedars. That's the dude. That's the dude. O'Vanny Buddy, that's the dude. Yeah, yeah. But all these other people. Okay. Top five heels. All right. Now, someone would say, if you're a great heel, you shouldn't get cheered. Sure. You should be sincerely hated. Sure. And so right now, Tomasso Ciampa, one of the best. Down in NXT. Down in NXT. He's got a got a championship match coming up against Alistair Black. My boy. So he is awesome for so many reasons. Unfollowed everybody on Twitter, which I understand. He

had done follow me. I understand. Former wrestling with depression guest. Very sad. Very, very nice guy. But I don't know this. I don't know this version of tomorrow. Okay. He did throw a chair at my head at a show one time, but that he was nice about this. Things happen. So just a dick on Twitter. He wears this t-shirt. He goes, I bet you want this t-shirt. Guess what? Getting for sale. That's awesome. Forgoing the t-shirt sales. I saw that match with Johnny Gargano, where he came out with no music, just everyone booing him. No music. Just had a heel run. No music. He would sit in the room. Oh, just so good. So good. Or Austin back in the day, when he was a bad guy, he became a chicken shit. You can't be stone cold. I'll whip everybody's ass. He was a chicken

shit. He would complain. One of my favorite promos he ever cut. And my friend and I referenced this all the time. He just after just a rough day, he just got in the ring, was getting his ass kicked by everybody and he just got in the ring and he's like, my name is Stone Cold Steve Austin. I'm a former four time WWF champion and I don't deserve this. And it was like the best, right? So of all time, Flair, because Flair was another one of those guys where he would piss you off because he would do everything he could. Roger Stone was wrestling. He would do everything he could to cheat, to win and you would be like, I paid money, which is at the end of the day in wrestling what you want. You want people to want to pay money to see you lose or to see you win. So I paid multiple

times thinking this is Lex Lucas time. This is Sting's time. This is, you know, Brian Pillman's, they're going to win and I cannot fucking wait. So Flair. And again, also just to make the Roger Stone comparison even further, both of them glamour pusses. Yeah, for sure. Fancy dressers. For sure. And you don't have to put these in order. No, no, no, yeah. So Flair for sure, one of the, and this is kind of modern day or in the last sort of our lifetime. Yeah, Flair, another four horseman, Tully Blanchard. Okay. Tully Blanchard was one of the four horsemen most known for like being partners with Arne Anderson and having just, this was a guy who people fucking hated. There's some guys in wrestling where I forgot who Lance Storm, there was Lance Storm is a great

wrestler, but a trainer also. He's a little more known for being a great trainer. And he was telling Dolph Ziggler like there was like a hip toss or something, which is a move that the good guys do more than the bad guys. And he even told him, he goes, don't even worry about really nailing this move down because people are going to just always hate you, you know, which is like, you just have one of those fucking faces. People are going to hate Tully Blanchard king. I'm like, no one ever was like, one day we want to really cheer him like just no redeeming qualities. I think just a total piece of garbage. I think my only knowledge of him is from when you made me watch that like heroes of wrestling. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was, which was a disaster. He had a funny

story where they went Ted Turner bought WCW. They were like, guys, we're having a meeting. Everyone's going to get interviewed. Nobody will know your answers. We just want to talk to you. And they're like, Tully, what's what's what needs to be fixed about this company. He's like, get Dusty Rhodes the fuck out of booking this fucking guy. All he does is put himself over they're like, they told us he got a raw deal there, but Tully Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard, then there's like the heels that are red hot because of like the political climate. Okay. So the Russians back in the day. Sure. Oh my God, like any Russian really, any, but like Nikita Koloff back in the day, the Russian nightmare. This guy came out of nowhere. He was jacked.

He was as big as he could hang with the road warriors. He was a monster. Right. He was awesome. Oh, let's see. Who else? Let's go modern right now. It's tough now because everyone's so like, who cares about the last like, let's say 10 years. Yeah. Oh, who cares about it? Yeah. Now it's more like a sport where it's just like, you know what I mean? It's like this. I thought I'm trying to think like, I mean, there's, there's also where you have to talk about like there's the, the heel heat, which is like, yeah, we want to see him beat. And then there's the like, go away. Well, we didn't even want you here. Jeff Jarrett back in the day when they were trying to build DNA or at the end of WCW, when that guy would win, there's a, there's a, a, a TNA pay-per-view

where you had to like hang the belt. It was such a fucking Russo like would book these, this guy Vince Russo who would tell people what to do or here's my plan famous for convoluted ways to win a match. So they in, in wrestling, they have this fun match called the ladder match where they hang the title from the seal it from a like a rope and you got to climb a ladder and pull it down. That's me. That's simple. Yeah. This one you had to like pin a guy to be able to put the title on the thing and like bear it one, one time and everyone starts throwing garbage and then you just hear everyone just like, oh, you know, Raven and ECW had a real moment where he was awesome. Yeah. Tommy dreamer was the good guy. He was the bad guy. It was perfect. It was fantastic.

Nowadays too, it's like, you'll hear the old wrestlers be like the wrestlers nowadays are afraid of heat. They don't want that heat of like, we're going to cause a fucking riot here because back in the day when people didn't know it was real or, you know, predetermined whatever you want to call it. They thought it was real. And you know, somebody would do something and it's just like, holy shit. And they're just like, this old wrestler, he's like, when they're making a lot of noise, you know, you're doing a good job. It goes when you know you're being a real bad dude and you hear nothing, that's when they're running, running into the ring. Yeah. You got to fight your way out and stuff. Yeah. I can see the gears turning in your head because you can tell

that there's an answer. I hope you say and you aren't coming up like you're, I can tell you to see like, well, Vince, Vince was one of the worst. Well, sure. Sure. Mr. McMahon, Mr. McMahon. Well, I'll tell you, haven't you haven't named who I was hoping to name, but I will say Zeb Coulter. I am now hoping I say Zeb Coulter to tie this into Alec. I'm now going to make Alex Jones the greatest heel to you and your fans. And a lot of our listeners who love wrestling with this clip. And all of this is going on. You got about, you know, a large portion of the audience that thinks it's real. I've known adults that will call in and go, it's real. No, no, it's real. It's real. And I'm like, really? I've seen somebody body slammed who was in a coma. I mean,

you know, this is not real. Okay. I'll assure you, grown men who are six foot eight, pounding each other in the face one time, blood's going to be pouring everywhere. No way. But almost all these folks have never been in a real fight. That's their like little arrested development, toddling hot bellies, you know, who were like, we're going to demand for white Hispanic black. It's like, it's the same. They look the same. They act the same. It's real. Let's go watch the big guy fight. It's real. I mean, most of them got about 80 IQs. They're borderline mentally retarded. I mean, I'm very sad about this. What's up? So add to the list of a black guy beating up Alex. Alex was also beaten up by a wrestling

pro wrestler, probably a fan of the Von Erick's back in the day. And he does in this, in this extended rant that he does, he does bring up watching the Von Erick. So he was younger. This was taken from an episode where he got really mad because Zaba Coulter and Jack Swagger got introduced as racist characters. And apparently a piece of their character was that they liked Alex Jones. Sure. Sure. Sure. So he was doing the we the people gimmick. Yeah. He was furious about that. And he goes on to like scream about like Vince McMahon is an establishment Republican. Sure. His dumb wife running for Senate. Now as a member of the cabinet. So that that was that was one piece. But I will say I wanted to talk about that. And I

thought that that would be our episode today. But I listened to it and it really wasn't all that interesting. And the way he talked about a bunch of other stuff mixed in. It was just like, Hey, this isn't this. We our last episode that we did was when Kane was on. Yeah. That was super exciting. We got to see the demon mayor back in full force team with Daniel. Looking great to him. Hell no. I saw I saw a little mask, baby. It's the mask. But I mean his body. Sure. He looks he the last time I saw him. I remember him looking pretty fat. Well, he also has the singlet on now. He's hiding a little bit. But he's looking great. And he's like 50 something. I would love to say good luck in the mayoral race. But I know that you're a fucking stupid

libertarian. So I hope you lose. Oh, it's a slam dunk. He's going to win. Well, that's unfortunate. Slam dunk politics suck. So I talked to you about cryptocurrency or the main event picture in the WWE. This is his town is going to be very interested in crypto currency. Yes. It's going to be nonsense. So I realized that that episode where he's complaining about Jack Swagger being sort of related to him somehow. And he's like, I remember when that was going on in wrestling and like Jack Swagger was not like the main event. No, no, no, no, no. And Alex is presenting it as he's the big bad guy of the of the WWE now. And he's also presenting it as most of his character is about liking Alex Jones. Yeah, he was upper mid card. Sure. He was top of the middle. And oh,

the other thing he's he keeps saying is every night he goes out and gets beat by a Mexican. Well, Del Rio, and then they joined them together, which made no sense. So Zeb, the manager, Zeb Coulter, who is dirty Dutch mantel. That's his old name. That dude used to wrestle in Puerto Rico. He was a bad guy in Puerto Rico. And it's pretty scary. I mean, he'd been stabbed like that's like that guy's got stories. I remember that the WWE put out a video or maybe it was just Swagger and Coulter put out a video where they're like, we are playing characters. Oh, they had to do that. Yeah, that's what you know, too. And that's why they broke a favor. That's why it can't get, you know what I mean? Like because you could you

could incite sure something. So the most recent guy who is out there today in he's in the independence, he wrestles for AW where I do commentary for he's an impact wrestling. He's all over the plug there. Sammy Callahan. I know the name. I don't know. I don't know his work. He is a guy who was like, I'm going to be real old school on this. So there was a match in impact wrestling, where he put a chair on Eddie Edwards, who was laying on the on the mat, put a chair on his on his chest, opened up chest, opened up the chair, and he was supposed to hit the chair with an aluminum bat. And that would it would make a great big noise. It probably wouldn't hurt all that much. And it would be like, Whoa, for whatever reason, he didn't plan it outright. And instead

of hitting the chair, he just hit him in the face. And he busted his orbital real bad. And Sammy instead of being like, Oh, man, I'm so sorry. Just went on Twitter and he's like, it's wrestling. Tough shit. Sorry. Like, I hit you a big deal. What are you gonna do about it? And people were like, No, that is not cool. And he was like, I'm fucking leaning into this. I'm gonna be a bad guy. I think that's probably a good good thing for the the act of art. But then sometimes it goes too far. And then they have to be like, Hey, man, I'm playing a character. Like, well, when you're when you're inciting racial hatred, the Devarys, the Devarys recently. Oh, yeah, when they were in the Greatest Royal Rumble, they were in the Greatest Royal Rumble in

Saudi Arabia. And they were they came out and they cut these promos, the Iranians. Yeah. And and they were like, Hey, man, I'm playing a character. I mean, no harm. Yeah. So that's the deal back in the day was like, Yeah, man, like there was a moment where Jesse Ventura, apparently suggested famously, let's let's multiple info wars. Let's light the flag on fire. It's legal now. Let's have sergeant slaughter, light the flag on fire. And they thought about it. And then they ended up lighting a Hulkamania shirt on fire. I wouldn't let the flag. I would have been fine with that. If I were. Yeah, there was a group called the Un-Americans post 9 11. And they were gonna light a flag on fire. That's bad timing. There was a cool one back in the day

with again, Devar Shandavari was the manager of Muhammad Hassan. Yeah. And they it was after 9 11. And they were like, they had an interesting. See, it's like a bad guy in a movie. It's like a heel should think he's right. Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, I didn't change. You guys changed the way you looked at me. This isn't on me. So this whole thing, if I recall, was that like, he was a he was a bad guy because of everyone hating him because he's a Muslim. He's like, I used to go to airports all the time. And there was no problem. But now I go to airport and you're all looking at me and pointing at me and stuff like that. And he was kind of like, this is on you, not me. And then, you know, but then there's the extreme thing where like a big trope in wrestling

would be foreign wrestler beats up American takes their flag, puts it over them as the show goes off the air. Oh my God, you know, there was as if it was a burial shroud. Sure. Sure. And that and then what was the end of the Muhammad Hassan character was they had filmed. They used to were smacked on used to be taped on Tuesday and it would air on Friday. Yeah, when this happened. So they had done an angle where Muhammad Hassan was feuding with the undertaker and choked them out with these like terrorist guys that came in the ring. They all had like all covered and balaclava and well, they were more like tactical. Like they had like black hoods on and stuff like black tactical ski masks and black like shield like gear full fully covered. And then after

they choked out the undertaker, they carried his body like you would see, you know, what do they call it in the Middle East when like somebody they like parade them through the streets, they have them held up and it's like a like a terrorist type of like tribute thing or something. I don't know if that's a thing and I don't know if it if it is a thing, I don't know the name of it. I mean, it's just a funeral procession, I imagine. Well, they and this was right after the London bombings. Yeah, the seven seven. I think right after it happened, the USA Networks like you got to get rid of this guy, not repackage him, not make him a you know, now I'm a now I'm a rapper. You know, you guys I was wrong. It was like, get him, you got to get him out of here. So that was it. That

sucks. Yeah. Well, that's some good. I mean, that's, you know, we've now had a good 25 minutes of heel talk. Yeah. And it's all been leading up to what I think is one of the weirder things I've ever found in my diving into info wars. And that is that one of the great heels of the wrestling past was a surprise guest on info wars. And I'll let you deal with this as it plays. It's super exciting to have a rowdy, rowdy Piper on with us today from Los Angeles there in Sean Stone's living room. Both guys are with us. And you know, it's great. I've gotten to be good friends with Jesse Ventura. And I know these two guys are friends as well, or have been in the past. And so now I get to talk to both of them. And Mr. Piper, formerly, of course, born Roderick George Tombs,

it is great to have you on the worldwide broadcast, sir. Thank you very much for having me. Would you mind just introducing me every place I go? Fantastic introduction. Oh boy. Charmed him. But also, I would say that that's probably rowdy, rowdy Piper's standard response because that was a terrible introduction. Star of documentary they live. That's going to that's going to factor heavily into the single view. But all he says for an introduction there not is like, you know, one of the great one of the greatest of all time. Someone who is not only I forgot to mention Piper is one of the greatest heels of all time. That's what I was trying to

leave you to. I am so dumb. God damn it, Dan. But you just got caught up in all the other great heels. But like, if I also watch some rowdies old stuff, oh boy, yeah, he would tip. I mean, I was going to say tip to around racial stuff. No, he was and homophobic like crazy. Sure, sure, sure. But some of the racial shit he did like with that's because he's got it. Well, he's being bad or they shave the Mohawk into the Haiti kids head. Sure. Yeah, maybe needed a haircut. Yeah. The thing that I need to really nail this down. That's a terrible introduction. All he does is say his real name and then mentioned that he's friends with Jesse Ventura. Oh, wow. You went on my Wikipedia page and everything. Mr. Stone. I'm very happy to be here. Mr. Stone.

Mr. Well, no, because John Stone is there. Who's that? His son? No, that is Oliver Stone's kid. Oh, okay. Oliver Stone's kid is a little bit of a little nutty been behaving himself lately. I don't know, man. I don't know what he's up to. Yeah. But you know, a lot of Oliver Stone's films are dubious in terms of their historical accuracy. I'll say what I and his son is worse. I watched W. I watched the last probably 30 minutes of W at a hotel a couple of weekends ago. That's the one with Brolin. Yeah. Yeah. It is so weird. It's like watching an SNL sketch with no comedy. It's so weird. It's so weird. Yeah. The woman playing Condoleezza Rice is just like, it's so over the top and so weird. And I will say I watched any given Sunday a couple years ago.

That's still held up. This was just like, oh, shit. Yeah. It was so unbelievably bad. I'm thrilled to say I've never watched that. It never, never appealed to me much. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen any given Sunday and I would agree. Having not seen it a while, I bet it does. It was great. It was great. I could see that. I don't, I don't, I wonder too though, there was that scene in there where, where W, which is kind of funny now that he's like lovable president goofball. He's just like a painter now. Hides under the, under the raincoat with Michelle Obama and stuff. We're trying to rehab his image even though he's responsible for millions of deaths. Well, Trump, Trump might reveal some news on, on W. You never know. He's gonna be doing

a jackoff motion here. Just like he's gonna release all the JFK files, just like he's going to unleash all the secret technology and healing machines. Yeah. But fuck it. If you, if anybody believes that stuff, sure, I got a bridge that I'd like crazy though. Had he died on the pretzel, had he choked on the pretzel. Could you imagine like, it would be like Selena, but it would have been like one of those things of just reverse. So we like Selena. No, I forgot whose joke it was. Whose joke was it? This is, I God, I wish I, maybe it was Greg Giraldo, where he was like, everyone's saying George W. Bush is the worst president of all time. He goes, the worst. He goes, I think the president of Selena's fan club might be a little worse.

Great joke. I think that's Giraldo. Speaking of which, rest in peace for Adiradi Piper. This is very sad that he was on info wars because you know what, I tried to, because I, I remember him as kind of like a boozer and maybe that's not, maybe there was just more of his character. He partied. He partied. I also remembered him as kind of not a good guy, but when I went and looked into it, it seems like he was a good guy. He's a good guy. He's a guy. That's what, that's what threw me for a huge loop. Well, here's the, here's the thing with Roddy is I think, and he's a wrestler, so he's going to, he's going to put himself out there for promotion. He was, he had his podcast, so he was probably pushing that. This is in 2013. Okay. So, I don't know if he had a podcast in

2013. I mean, he died in 2015. Okay. Then yes. Then yeah, then then he was trying to get his podcast off the ground. Okay. So, so maybe Sean stones helping him out with that. Yep. Yep. He's a guy who, and I know a lot of people who like, there were comics in LA who like, buddied up to him and he was like, I'm open to it. Like, let, if this gets the word out, let's do it. He was, you do some stand up, do some stand up. He would do shows. He was into it. I remember seeing that. I knew a couple of people who worked. Yeah. And he was like, what are we going to do? Let's do it. He, he was on Colts podcast, couldn't have been cooler. The young bucks talk about how who are the most popular independent tag team or wrestlers on the planet right now. They talk

about seeing him at a convention and being like, Oh man, this dude would like spend time with fans. Like he wasn't just like, Hi, let me sign this. Get the fuck out of here. He was like, he would spend time with fans and that like changed their approach. Yeah. I think that that was one of the things that I thought was really weird. I always had an image of him as kind of like maybe being a shithead and maybe like someone who was arrested a bunch of times and no, it seems like he lived maybe a hard life, but a pretty good life. Like treated people pretty well. And that's, I mean, it's not super rare in wrestling terms, but like, you always get surprised by things. I just learned recently that Kurt Angle had a bunch of DUIs, a bunch deep into drugs for years.

I had no fucking idea. You hear, that's why he was able to leave the first time. They're like, you got to go because I had a friend who was working there at the time and they're like, they're like, this was when Kurt Angle and Eddie Guerrero were feuding and they're like, one or both of them are going to die. And I was like, what? And they're like, they're both out of control. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, Eddie Guerrero. I thought you said Rey Mysterio. No, no, no, no. I would love to imagine Rey Mysterio having these matches where they were like, Eddie would get in a ball and be like, don't touch me. And like, it was, it was insane. Just like psychosis or something. Just like, just so hurt. His body was just done and all this stuff. So I thought,

I thought you meant he was like a ball of feet. No, no, no. And then finally they're like, yo, Kurt Angle, you got to go to rehab. And he was like, no, I'm fine. And they're like, we're going to fire you then. He's like, fine, fire me. Then he went to TNA and then got a bunch of trouble there. And they were always like, well, you know, what are you going to do? And then finally got clean. He's an example of someone who passed away. Yeah. That was very sad. Yeah. But like, you know, I don't know a lot of these people's personal lives, but the ones that you hear about generally are like Eddie Guerrero. It's like real tragedy. You hear, especially to when someone dies. That's when you hear the band was you hear the good or bad about them or

whatever and the, well, you know, but with Piper around the, around the board, everybody was like on his side. They said he was great. Stood up for the wrestlers. When you watch, there's like a Wembley wife swap and that was, he did one show is terrifying. Rick Flair and his now like fiance or whatever, Fifi from WCW. And you could tell Piper and his wife, you know, I mean, I cheated whatever. Sure. Everybody likes to swing. They all did back in the day, but the Roger Stone parallel with Rick Flair. But yeah, but you know, he seemed like he seems like a family guy and stuff. Yeah. That kind of bums me out that he was on info wars because you know, you always kind of want to, you always want to ascribe some sort of like, Oh, that's, that's, that's why he's on info wars.

He's a secret shit. I do, I do think though that Alex and info wars has a weird thing where they can not trick or it looks legitimate enough bingo. It looks legitimate enough. It's big enough. It's big enough. You know, you because what, what do people do? How many followers does he go? Oh, shit. Okay. Couple million. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. And, and it, wow. Well, you play me. Okay. Yeah. I ain't a little crazy. Yeah. Piper Piley. I fucking everyone. I know it's crazy. Yeah. Well, Piper's crazy. Jesse's been on it about cool. Yeah. Okay. Jesse knows what he's talking about. Yeah. Yeah. That's how people like Henry Rollins ended up being guests on on here. Sure. Sure. Sure. What the fuck is Henry Rollins doing on here? I think there are people

who do the whole like, you know, well, he's not wrong about everything. Or there's people who are like, you need to talk to these people. If you just ignore, if you only go on the Stephanie Miller show, big deal, you're not changing anybody's minds. Right. All of these theories are interesting. And I wish any of them were true. Yeah. It turns out that Roddy Piper is a lunatic. Oh, shit. Right. And he loves Alex Jones. And we'll get to that here in a few. But Alex, for most of this interview, it's about an hour long or so. Most of it is him gushing about they live and talking about how much he loves they live. He's seen it a hundred times. Of course. Alex thinks it's a documentary. Yeah. And so here is Roddy talking a little bit about the history

of that film. I think this is actually kind of interesting because it gives a perspective that Alex never gives. Well, it's great to have you on. I tell you so much is happening in the world, but let's get into they live. You've been in a lot of movies, but what's your take on the 25th anniversary of they live? It's really interesting. The movie they live when it was made was more about Reaganomics at the time. But with the as the music lulls you to sleep. Conspiracy is one of the things that the movie has done is it's taken on a life of its own. It never gets old as we see the world evolve and try to make us a little chip. The same things happening over and over again. You watch they live and it gives you it's kind of like the cliff notes for what's going

on. I think that I think that's fair. I think that what he's saying is an interesting perspective. I didn't necessarily ever put two and two together. I haven't watched they live since I was in college and stoned out of my mind and loved it, but I never put the pieces together. I always just thought it was kind of like a statement on consumerism, statement on artificial messages through advertising and stuff like that. I never really put the pieces together of a statement about Reaganomics, but I think that's fascinating. I think this is going to be another era like the eighties where a lot of stuff was about Reagan and there was that Reagan's America and they're like, but the real deal is this. You know what I mean? And it was interesting

like that movie. There's a lot of movies kind of like that where I think we're going to watch them again now because I was like, I'm watching a lot of these Star Wars videos. I'm into this whole. Do you mean movies or videos? No, YouTube videos about how we need to remake the last Jedi. Soilo and the fandom menace and all this stuff. I'm into it. I'm watching from afar, but one of the things too though that I did hear a guy from the UK who was a movie critic and he was saying like, yeah, America. He's like, man, your movies are really, you guys are like, you could tell like Europe, these are all about Trump and not just Star Wars, just a lot of stuff in general. He's like, there's a lot of political, our movies are

real politicized right now. And I think it was the same thing too. Have you ever seen eighties? Have you ever seen those like, I mean, there's a genre of videos that is just people reacting to things that you see. And someone in our fucking Facebook group, and I'm sounding angry only because of the time I've wasted, but like someone posted a video of the, there's a series about Irish people watching. And one, the thing that they posted was Irish people watching Alex Jones. And I was fascinated by how quickly they saw through like what is going on here. This guy is an angry bigot and he's trying to sell things. It was clear and I watched a couple more of them. And it is fascinating how people outside of our primary culture are able to see like,

oh my God, this is, this is clearly an allegory in a way that because of our inundation and familiarity with stuff, we don't actually, we don't recognize as easily. I think you're totally right. I think, I think 10 years from now, we'll look back and be like, wow, holy shit. That subconscious thread is through a lot of this. I think a movie can be about, I think art can reflect what's going on in the society at that time and there's been great books, there's been great movies that have done that. But then it's when you beat people over the head with it and people are like, eh, it's a little too on the nose. That would be the case of like that Snoop Dogg video where he puts a gun to Trump's head

and the bang flag comes out and stuff like that. It's like, come on, man. Come on, Austin and Vince already did that. But yeah, there are those things. And then Pillman and Austin did it better. Yeah, they did. Well, that was big time. So that's a thing where it's like, when it's too on the nose, it's like, I like maybe reading later or watching later and you're like, actually, that character is supposed to be kind of based on this person and you're like, oh, or when it's just like, get it, I'm Trump. It's like, yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, there's something to be said for subtlety. Yeah. And I, you know, so far so good, Piper, I think. Real quick, real quick.

To sort of talk about that is that's like the first planet of the apes, which is about, you know, nuclear war and all the stuff. And then in the second planet of the apes. Yeah, I guess they don't really get to what happened until the second one. The second planet of the apes is where they have like the ape hippies getting rounded up. And it's like, now we're getting a little too. The first one was so subtle and cool racism. There was racism. It was like racism and stuff like that. But then they hit you way over the head with it. The third one, which is where they go back in time, Zira and Cornelius go back in time and see the beginning of it all where they were using them as slaves. And then it was like,

and then they have this big riot and everything. And there was a documentary. Did you recently just watch all of them? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's a documentary about all the Planet of the Apes movies when it was like the anniversary of the original. I think like A&E did it. And they just was so good. And they were talking about how the third one at the end, Caesar is like the new leader. And he's like, now we claim this planet and it is the planet of the apes. They said when they tested it that they tested it in a black neighborhood and black people were going crazy. They were like, yeah. And they were like, Oh, no, this is going to cause riots and stuff. So they recut it. And of course, they were didn't have a lot of money. So they

weren't going to like, you know, do anything. And all they did was a close up of Caesar's eyes. And they got the guy at the actor to come back and he goes, we were at Planet of the apes, but we can do this with humans also together. And we will share this planet and show them what it's right to be good or something like that. I mean, that falls apart. Yeah, but I mean, fuck, yeah, but it's like that thing of the difference of the first one, perfect. Right. Second one, it's like, it's so good. Ape hippies, like, come on, man, that's this. That's the same thing as like, I still like droid and so low of like, I still like all of them. But I do too. I'll also say that the best one, Mark Wahlberg one, oh, get out of here. I walked I worked at

a movie theater when that came out. Yeah. And at the time it was our tradition to, because most of the people who worked there were underage. It was one of the only ways we'd really have like this, we'd have booze stuff. So we had to screen all of the movies. Make sure it's okay on Thursday nights before they came out. So cool. So the movies would come in as the film and then they'd get built. And then once they were done getting built, if there was an open theater, anyone could sign up to watch it to make sure. So the projection is to put it through and you watch it. It would be a thing where all of us, like some of our managers were over 21. And so they'd buy us booze. And we just have parties. Hell yeah. Just getting drunk. I want to work,

I want to work in a movie theater right now. It was so much fun. I was probably like 1718 at the time, just getting drunk, pre screening these movies. You probably saw some bad ones. Oh, shit. The worst was the definitely the Planet of the Apes one with Mark Wahlberg. And then there was collateral damage with Arnold Schwarzenegger that we all almost like left. We're almost like this is so bad. But one of our managers, Rick, watched the Planet of the Apes one with us because he loved the old Planet of the Apes. He was a little, he was a little older. You know, he's probably late 20s at that time, but he appeared much older since I was a teen. But we're all we're all drinking, having a great time. And then at the end, when Mark Wahlberg comes back,

and you see the Lincoln Monument Memorial, like as soon as an Apes head, but you only see the exterior of the building. And as soon as you see it, it's a good 30, 40 seconds until you get inside and you see that it is an ape. Yeah, the whole time Rick is screaming, Abe Lincoln, Abe Lincoln. Yeah, he called it like, yeah, I knew what happened. Everyone started throwing stuff like it was a fucking WCW show. Yeah, everyone's just throwing trash at the screen and just joined the NWO. Boo, Abe Lincoln, boo. You know, this trash in the ring represents these fans. We already hated it, but that was like, that was a bridge too far. Yeah. But, um, all right. So, you know, the Apes made an appearance on Monday Night Raw to promote that. What? Yeah. Yeah. In costume,

the Apes, the Apes came to Raw. No. Yeah. Did they, did they put someone over? Oh, I don't know, I think they might have helped somebody get a victory or something. Oh, God. I feel like there's no way that couldn't have been offensive somehow. Whoever they choose to have the Apes help. Yeah, I know. Oh, God. Knowing Vince and Rousseau back in the day, they would have had them help like the nation of domination. Mark Henry. Go out there and help Mark Henry. Why does he have a kinship with Mark Henry? It's like, Oh God, guys, no. Don't make this a storyline. Don't do it. I mean, to be fair, like back then, everybody, like the No Limit Soldiers were in the WCW. The ICP was hanging around. That, that was a fun thing where again, in wrestling, sometimes the bad guys, uh, turn out

to be the good guys. And they're like, well, this is what the fans wanted. So they brought in the No Limit Soldiers to WCW. Well, because then they had like Ray Mysterio and Conan were with them. The Filthy Animals. Yeah. And they thought this is going to be huge. We got the No Limit Soldiers, the Filthy Animals, uh, Master P, who I thought he was kind of on the downward spiral. I didn't think he was like on top of the world or anything at the time. I don't think he was either. Uh, they signed, um, some guys that were in his crew to like some big money. This one black dude, they gave him like so much money. Swole. Swole. And, uh, they gave him a lot of money. That was, if that was a recording artist, that was- No, it was a bodyguard. I think he was a bodyguard or

something or a friend. Um, and then the opposition was this group called the, um, the West Texas Rednecks. Oh boy. And they, it's a great song. If you want to find it, it's called, uh, Rap is Crap, Kurt Henning, uh, let's see, Henning, uh, Barry Wyndham, Kendall Wyndham, Bobby Duncan, Jr. And they had a song called, I hate rap because rap is crap. And they made this song as a part of their feud with the No Limit Soldiers. And it got over and the crowd loved them and it just completely, cause Debbie Stabby, it's like a Southern territory. Oh, so the Rednecks ended up being much more popular than the whole crazy. What are you going to do with Swole? Let them hurt people or not wrestle and get paid a shitload of money. Geez. So all this is to say

that Rowdy Roddy Piper. Oh yeah. So sorry. This is like my favorite and my worst topics because then we just go on these, uh, tangents. I think that's the nature of, uh, when you and I get together. Also, I don't think I want to lose, uh, respect of the hot rod. I think you can retain it because of like, but I think we, like we said, he probably got not tricked, but I think he was kind of like, Hey, however, I can get the word out. I think you should save those judgments. I think he's kind of stupid, but at the same time, like because he's on info wars, yeah, it, it kind of does highlight how like, even if he is kind of stupid, he's not as bad as the world he's visiting. And he also, he also, uh, claimed that when he painted half of his body black

to wrestle bad news brown at WrestleMania, that had nothing to do with race. Sure. And it was, I believe it. He was moonwalking and doing those, staying like it was like you're dancing and stuff. All right. Um, so at, at this point, he has said that, uh, you know, uh, they live is about Reaganomics or was about at the time, but it could be applied to anything. Um, and now he gets onto saying some other stuff that I think based on that is stupid. You know, uh, John Carpenter, when, uh, we shot the scene with the homeless people, he actually used the homeless people there. John is a big activist, you know, and I give them all the respect in the world for that. Uh, and you know, turning out and showing

what the world become, I don't know why America has homeless people. It's, uh, it's terrible, but Oh really? That's interesting because you made a film about Reaganomics. So I'd like to talk a little bit about this, uh, because quite frankly, one of the reasons that homelessness is such a big issue, uh, and is so devastating and has been is because of Reagan, his policies directly led to, uh, the situation that we have on our hands now. And if John Carpenter and Rowdy Roddy Piper made a movie, uh, about Reaganomics, I think maybe he doesn't understand all that too well. I thought it was interesting growing up because I'm, I'm, what about 10 years older than you? Give or take. So when I grew up, Reagan was the man where I, where I grew up in Indiana,

I grew up in Indiana and it was just like Ronald Reagan, what a great leader and all this stuff. Just funny and cool. And he didn't wear a jacket. He had a movie with a monkey. He made Gorbachev like an idiot because Gorbachev had this big jacket on and Reagan did and all this cool stuff and he would give these speeches and everything. And then as you get older, you get into like punk rock music and you see some documentaries and you hear some people in these movies and you're just like, was he not a good man? You read a few things and you're like, oh no, yeah. So Marty, in 1981 on the heels of an economic

downturn, unemployment was super high. Rockford, Illinois had a rate, unemployment rate of 25%. Three states had unemployment rates over 14%. At the depths of the 2008, 2009 recession, the number was still just around 10% nationally to give some sort of context. It was bad. It was really bad. People were out of work having a bad time. Noticing that there were tons of unemployed people becoming homeless, Reagan put forth a solution that was not a solution. He didn't want the government to do anything, but instead suggested that quote, every church and synagogue would take in 10 welfare families and this would solve the problem because he was stupid and thought that the entire

idea of homeless people existing was a temporary notion and would go away when the economy got better. This is a stupid plan for one reason because churches and synagogues are not magical entities. If each is required to take in 10 families, which could easily be 50 to 60 people, that's going to cause a pretty big bump to their overhead. In times when homelessness rose, there would be churches getting bankrupted like crazy, just trying to provide the help that the government should be providing its citizens as a basic right. Reagan's solution is not a solution. It's a pathetic attempt to say we shouldn't help that person. It's someone else's job. To make matters worse, Reagan would slash the budget for the Department of Housing and Urban Development,

the department most likely to help house people without stable living conditions. Reagan's entire platform seemed to boil down to just insisting that this isn't my job, cutting funding for programs that are desperately needed in order to lower taxes on the rich, because that was the primary motivation, and then the final step, blame the victims of his policies for the policies' effects. He famously popularized the idea of a welfare queen based on a lie, a complete lie. I recommend everyone go listen to the episode of the dollop. They say watch glow. Or, sure, watch glow. It's great. The welfare queen. Is that a character? Okay. The welfare queen idea, on an episode of the dollop that did live in Chicago,

that me and Jordan were actually at. It was a great time. They lay out the history of the idea of the welfare queen. It's fucking out. It's outrageous how much deceit was behind it. It was fucked up. Also, he went on Good Morning America and said the people sleeping on grates in the street were doing it by choice. That sort of thing. It was complete. I remember as a kid too, and I still hear it to this day, I'm like, that homeless guy gets in a Mercedes and drives home. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That even when I was a kid, I remember that sort of, they're making figures out there. He puts on those pants that smell like shit. Right. And then he puts them in an airtight bag and puts them in his trunk of his Mercedes and then goes home and counts all your money.

If you worked at Captain D's seafood, all your clothes smell like fish. Yeah. Do you think you want that? It's the same thing. It's a uniform for him with the shit clothes. Every park bench in America, everywhere a homeless person sleeps, should have Ronald Reagan's name on it, says Peter Dreyer, an urban policy analyst and the director of the Urban and Environmental Policy Department at Occidental College in Los Angeles. As some indication of how little Reagan gave a shit about this stuff from an article in The Nation, quote, early in his presidency at a White House reception, Reagan greeted the only black member of his cabinet, housing and urban development secretary, Samuel Pierce, saying, quote,

how are you, Mr. Mayor? I'm glad to meet you. How are things in your city? Holy shit. There's my African American right there. There he is. I mean, we have the same thing now with Ben Carson as, you know, I'm sure Trump doesn't recognize him. No. So also, there's a funny wrestling story about Ben Carson. No, but it's very much how Vincent, Vincent Trump are the same man. Yeah. They were having a meeting with all the WWE talent at one point. And they were, I forgot what they were talking about. There was going to be some new policy or changes were going to be going down or something like that. And this black guy, Michael Tarver, I don't know that name, he was in the original Nexus. And he raised his hand to ask a question. And which people were like,

whoa, this is bold. This new guy is just asking a question out of nowhere. This is kind of crazy. But he raised his hand and asked a question. And Vince McMahon goes, excellent question, Shelton. Meaning he thought he was Shelton Benjamin, the guy who was no longer with the company. Yeah. Also, the reason I thought I recognized that name is because of comedian Drew Tarver. That's why I thought Tarver is not a common name. Also, so this is from San Francisco Weekly. Quote, a UN declaration in 1966, the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights codified this. The UN member nations, including the United States, a permanent member of the UN Security Council and the UN's host nation, signed an agreement that

recognized the right of everyone to an adequate standard of living for himself and his family, including housing. Though the US signed the treaty, the Senate never ratified it, making America one of only two UN member states to fail to ratify, along with Thailand. The US has either failed to sign or failed to ratify at least six other international treaties in which housing was declared a human right. And at this point, I should come out very clearly and make my advocacy clear. I believe it is. Yeah. I believe that housing should be provided by the government. Now we've done a cool, fun thing. If anybody's been in Chicago and sat on a bus stop bench or anything, that little, oh man, they've made them, they lean forward. They've got pegs everywhere.

Yep. There's a lot of places downtown where they have kind of like spiky things where you can't lay on them or the underpasses or the overpasses rather. They've got the concrete boards down where you can. A lot of cities do that or anything. It's crazy. It's weird to think that's someone's job. It's crazy that it's someone's job to argue for that. Yeah. You know, like some politicians. Like I'm just some, I'm some city planner guy and I'm like, dang it in here. Do you know those park benches, right? Too comfortable. People are sleeping on them. Get to work. Make them uncomfortable. We need razor blades. Make them uncomfortable. You know, it's crazy, too. It's like we went and did a show in Austin and when we were down there in the downtown area,

there's a lot of homeless folk. Yeah. And I saw what I would describe as one of the most dystopian pictures I've ever seen in my life. We were leaving the show and walking down the street. And there was a, there was an area where there was, you know, it was clearly a place where people got food and stuff like that. And so there was a lot of people hanging around. And that wasn't that weird to me. That was kind of like, this is very sad. And I feel bad about the fact that this exists. We should be doing better. But that was sort of like, I've seen stuff like that before, maybe. Yeah. But we walked a little bit further. And then there was a giant, I don't know, maybe a chase building. It was some huge company. There's a giant modern ornate building. Like it

was gorgeous. And then if you just looked right in front of you on the planter, there was just someone passed out, you know, just almost naked. Yeah. And I was just like the juxtaposition of this giant new billion dollar building and someone sleeping in their planter just made me so fucking depressed. Maybe so sad. And with the knowledge that we can fix that, we can do better. Now, maybe we can't fix everybody's problems. But the idea that people are sleeping on the street is something we absolutely can fix. And this was just adjust our priorities slightly. This was a thing where Reagan, it was weird, too. Like I remember going to DC back in the 90s. And you think like, oh, cool, I'm going to go see the White House. And then like two blocks away, you're like, oh,

this is a nightmare. I mean, we talked about Skid Row on an Alisa Lam episode. Yeah. Yeah. There's just, there's places like that in almost every city. And big city. So you see that and you wonder with Reagan too, where you hear about this, you hear about his lack of a response to HIV. Not lack of a response. No response. Cruel response. So like that. And you wonder like, how are you this cruel? Or how was this pitched to you that like, nah, nah, nah, there's these things called welfare queens. They're just taking money from the government. They all, here's nothing. I mean, how are they doing it now? Growing up in Indiana, I heard a lot of all these black people who live in the projects. They all have giant TVs. They all have cable. That got transferred into Obama phones.

Yeah, they all have, yeah, phones. They all, none of them work. They all get $500 a week. They don't, you know what I mean? It's just like, you hear all this. And I'm just like, oh, okay, I guess that's the deal. And then you like watch a documentary and you're like, oh, oh, that's a nightmare to live in Cabrini Green. You know what I mean? You're just like, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I think that that's the, you know, I don't, I don't know. I haven't thought this out too much. This thought might come out weirdly. But I think that that's the comfortable illusion that people have to have in order to not scream, we have to fix the problem. Yeah. You know, because if everybody was really aware of how people were living and stuff like that,

people are like, oh, no, this isn't okay. Yeah. And so like my undercover boss is such a great show, Dan. Sure. So the people who want to like cut taxes on corporations and the rich, and people who want to get strip Medicare, strip Medicaid, strip welfare programs, they have to create the illusion that all these people are cheating in the same way. Because then you feel fine fucking them, right? Because you're not fucking them. You're writing the wrongs in the same way that right now we have the two versions of like, what's really going on with these people, these immigrants at the border with Mexico, you have the one version which is like, they're all illegal immigrants, which doesn't take into account the idea that a lot of them

are people seeking refugee status, which is not illegal in any way. And even if they are coming illegally or whatever, that is a not a, not a crime really. That's why a lot of our families came here. Right. There's that too. And then the other version, which is the even crazier version, which is much closer to Alex Jones, is that like, they are actually human traffickers. Yeah. So you have to create these illusions, these false realities in order to justify the cruelty that's going on, which is the cruelty in both cases is a function of white supremacy. Sure. And it's like, are they coming here to suck on the welfare T or are they here to take our jobs? Which you know what I mean? There's all these, there's all these contradictions of like,

they're coming here and taking our jobs. They're coming here and not working. It's like, which one is it? It's got to be one. Yeah. Or this whole thing of just, I mean, it's like, they're all just like, you'll go on. I kind of like, I told you, I've taken a little bit of a media diet and I'm not really watching a lot of stuff. But you know, you would watch those videos of like, hey, here's all these Republicans talking about Supreme Court judges like, let's take a break. Let's not, you know, and it's like, but now we got to do it. We got to do it right now. It's like, there's always that, that horseshit. Well, that's what we, that's what me and Jordan talk about all the time is the like, the idea of telling a Republican or someone on the right that they're being hypocritical is

pointless. Sure. That's because the Roger Stone narrative is just like you've been saying like, keep punching. You're wrong. No, I'm not. And you're wrong. And here's why it's like, no, no, what about you being wrong? Never, never show your ass. If your ass is exposed far down somebody. Yeah. My ass isn't exposed. That's, that's your ass. You're crazy. Yeah. You're, you're, you're, you're lying about my ass being exposed. Asses don't exist. Yeah. So that's the whole thing. And I've talked to you about this, about like, especially like with like Dick Cheney and stuff like that. It's like, how much money is enough to where you're like, people are dying, but this Halliburton baby, we're making some money. It's like, how much is enough money? And you want to be

like the king of, or have all the money and then no one else does. Like if I was one of these like elites in the United States, I would, I would be like, this country's falling apart. Like, wouldn't you want instead of me having four billion, maybe I only have two, but then a lot of the people around me are living well enough to where they're not like, let's go to that mansion and rip that fucking guy out of there. I think they know that that stage is far off. Yeah. But they don't watch the dark night and go, oh no, they are the dark night rises and oh no, they might come to our penthouses and pull us out of the, out of the and throw us in the streets. You're making the same mistake. Alex doesn't think in fiction is

reality. Oh yeah, that's right. I think too that like what we don't recognize. And I think Alex does a really clunky job of expressing this, but I think he expresses it a little bit. And that is that like, we can't possibly understand the motivations of people on higher levels than us. You know what I mean? Like for you and I, Jack Nicholson fucking, you don't know what it's like to have pressure making those decisions. And if you good men, you know what I mean? When he's like, you can't handle the truth and all that sort of being like, I'm in a position where I have to make tough decisions. No, no, no, no. I don't even mean it like that. Although I do think there is something to that. What I mean more is that like you and I, in terms of money, we just want to get

by. Yeah. We just, we are the game, the level of the game we're playing is like, we want to get by. Now let's assume you get married and have kids. I'm saying you because that's not going to happen for me. Hey, you never know that calm down. You never know that. But like, assume you get married and have kids, then you enter sort of a next level, which is like, I need to have a house. Yes. And now you're playing for these kids future. Exactly. Your financial concern becomes like, can I help them through college or whatever version it is in your head. And then there's another level above that, which is like business ownership, probably. And then there's a level above that, which is dynasty building. Yeah, baby. You know, when you get into sick money,

you're at the point where you're like, I want no one that ever comes from my loins to have to work. I want Rockefeller money. That sort of shit. I want an oil painting of me. Right. That'll last for generations. Right. People will go great, great grandfather, Martin. And some of that comes from money. Some of it comes from great deeds or whatever. And great, I don't mean good. I mean, big. Yeah. So like, I think that there's a decent chance that even with Dick Cheney as much of a monster as he is, as much damage as he caused, I think that there's a possibility that somewhere deep within his dark robotic heart replaced heart. Yeah. I think that there's a possibility that he believed that by doing

really, really terrible things, he could reach a positive outcome, which might be like, I'm just breaking some eggs to make an omelet, baby. Maybe. I don't want to, I don't want to say that excuses, right? But that's like the chance that he thought that. And then you come out the other side, you forgive all of the innocents that I've killed in order to have this. I do. I do wonder like, and I was, I was watching a Nazi documentary as I want to do. Sure. And I thought you would have watched them all by now. No, there's still new ones that come out, Hitler's bodyguards. Crazy. But there's these there every once in a while. And just, and you kind of wonder, you're just like, like one guy that like he was the architect. Himmler or something like that. And

they're just like, this is one of the true architects of the, you know, of all of Hitler's plans and stuff. And you wonder if like, they're all just sitting on a table and like one guy's like, I'm going to throw this out there. This is going to sound crazy. But what if that was, do you want to hear a crazy story, a crazy wrestling story? Does this have to do with Hitler's? No, it's kind of one of the, it's just, I'm going to throw this out there. So I had a friend who used to write WB creative. It was one of the writers there. And they were all sitting around a table. Was it Freddie Prinze, Jr.? No. Okay. It was just check who is a dear close friend of mine. No, Freddie Prinze. No, no, no. But they were all

sitting on the table and there's a man's like, God damn it. I want some fucking idea. Somebody give me something. And I won't say who the old wrestler who was like an agent. No need to put people's business on the streets. And he's like, let's Freddie Prinze. I'm gonna throw this out there. No, he's a former wrestler. I'm gonna throw this out there. And I might sound crazy for this. Hell, I might even get fired for this. I must put it out there. What if Mark Henry in a match gets hurt, gets hit in the head? Has to go to the hospital. We find out later via x-rays. Gorilla. I think Vince was like, I appreciate your input. But now let's move on. Now that's,

I imagine Vince was like, that's great. We can't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. I'm gonna say this. This might go over great. This might get me fired. But I'm gonna say this. Then he threw that out there to the world. Your delivery on that was strong. And everybody just went, whoa. Yeah, that's, that would have probably been fine at some point though. Oh, yeah, probably in the 80s. Like he impregnated that lady and they gave birth to a hand. Yeah. In 2098. But I am getting back to what we were talking about. I am. I am. And I think this is sort of way off track. Sure. I think there is sort of this thing of like the real powerful, the elites are like, listen, like, I don't know. There has to be like, Dad, I hear a lot of like

Ron Reagan Jr. You know, he's, he's, I keep seeing this commercial for him about atheism. He's like, you sick of people talking about God? He has, he's part of this like new atheist thing or whatever. Gross. And I know he's pretty easy. He's obviously liberal and things like that. And he's been outspoken about stuff. But it's especially to like, you got to wonder if like, you're growing up and you're just like, Hey, man, turns out, I think my dad might not have been the coolest dude on the planet. Oh, it turns out my dad sucked. Yeah. A lot of people have to go through that. Yeah. And we're going through it in this next clip with Rowdy Roddy. Oh God, please. I'm so sorry. No more, no more side trip. I think this clip is where I will.

This really lost faith in the hot rod. Well, yeah. And you probably will as well. It's where I was like up till this next clip, it was where I was like, maybe he doesn't know what show he's on. Okay. Unfortunately, this clip happens. Okay. But you know, one of my favorite lines is, because I feel like this all the time, trying to politically awaken people that they're being lied to that there's an agenda. That's not left or right. It's, Hey, there's mind control going on. The signals broadcast 24 hours a day through all this media, just become aware of it. And they'll say there's nothing going on. And I want to say put on these glasses or start chewing concrete.

No, without a doubt. And by the way, I'm a big booster of you. I've watched some of your, your taking care of America and watching an hotel room while the buzzing was going on. And I think you do a terrific job. That hurts. Well, what was going on? I don't know. Probably he was going around to like doing, doing, doing, uh, I blame, I blame concussions. Well, that also, uh, rough life. No, I blame, uh, people turning Roddy on to Alex. Oh yeah. It's someone's gotta see Alex Jones. You don't know Alex Jones, but I think, I mean, you and I are even examples of people without like a close examination of Alex were like, this guy's wild. Oh yeah. Like we didn't think he was a problem as we, and I,

and I think Roddy probably, uh, identifies or feels a bit of a kinship with him in the sense of like, he's a showman just like me, you know, and back in the nineties, Roddy Piper did extensive battles with the NWO. Absolutely. He and Ric Flair got together. I kind of eat cowers over nobody. Yeah. Who's that? When he had tried to get a family together, didn't you, didn't, uh, Piper try and fight the NWO? Yeah. He tried to start his own group. Yeah. Yeah. I tried, and then I had to get Flair, right? Wasn't that, that worked. I have very vague memories of this. There was a really bad nitro where he tried to get his own group together on posse. Yeah. And it was, it was a disaster. Got the no limit soldiers. Yeah. There was a lot of faction warfare back in

the day. I think it, I think it should come back, but I also think it's incredibly disappointing to hear I'm a big booster. Yeah. Cause like, like we said before, it was an accident. I was really bummed out when I heard that Joe Rogan being like, Alex, I love you. But he always, you're a friend. He's been, he's known Alex for like 20 years. No, it's just like they, they went back, they would go back to the old Austin days. Why did Alex, uh, turn on Rogan? Because Rogan, he did, he said two things. Oh, Soros. He didn't believe Soros. Well, that was one of them. And then, uh, Joe also was like, this is, it's really stupid what Alex is saying about Anthony Bourdain suicide. Like, as Alex said, he was about to come out and say all this stuff. And Rogan was like, this is really

fucking awful. But the thing I think is so fucking cowardly is that Rogan is now being like, I love this guy, but you need to calm down. It isn't calm down. It's like your rhetoric is terrible. Your rhetoric is irresponsible and it's, it's hurting lots of people. But Rogan, but no, what Rogan needs to do is he needs to come on his goddamn program and be like, I'm sorry. I, I love this guy. He's my friend. Yeah. I'm sorry that I had him on my show. Yeah. And, and, and Milo, like stop, like, well, I think he's, there's a bigger issue there. I think he's, I think there's that thing of like, I'll give anybody a fucking Ted Nugent on the other day. I know. It's like, I'll give anybody a platform to talk. And it's like, Hey,

you're going to have a conversation. If Joe Rogan is having Ted Nugent on his goddamn show, you should also have Courtney Love on the fucking show so she can talk about how Ted Nugent made her blow him when she was 12. There you go. Allegedly. There you go. Yeah. I mean, like you, you can't, you, and you should have all of the clips of Ted Nugent saying the fucking N word all over the place. Yeah. Telling Barack Obama to suck on his guns. Yeah. On stage with actual guns on stage. He never said anything like that. This is crazy. What they're saying about Trump. All the fucking videos of Ted Nugent being like, I saw Nancy Pelosi, I told her to suck on my machine gun. Yeah. But now we're going into stranglehold. There's this thing of, of being, it's like,

you can't do this. You can't, you can't be like, I'm, I'm an observer. I'm on the side. No, you're not. I'm just talking to interesting people. No, you are absolutely not. You have a fucking responsibility. Yeah. Stick to Duncan Trussell. If you want to get crazy, give your fucking or Trussell or the Eddie Bravo. Joey Diaz. Yeah. You can let Eddie Japhir in there. You can let Eddie Bravo go, you know, I heard, I heard this guy say this and you go, ah, come on Eddie, don't, don't listen to that shit. Yes. You, you, you keep your crazy in a box. Yeah. You don't allow these horrible, horrible people to be exposed and not like his audience doesn't know who Ted Nugent is. Yeah. But when you have a two hour conversation with a person, it humanizes them and allows you

to be the like surrogate person there where it's like, if I love Joe Rogan and I don't know a whole lot about Ted Nugent and I hear them talking amicably for two and a half, three hours, I'm gonna come away from it. Like, here's an example of it. When I used to listen to Love Line all the time. Yeah. First of all, I thought Adam Corolla was cool. That was a problem. There was a time where he was the funniest man in America. Absolutely. So let's not, let's not lie about that. He changed. But also there'd be guests. There'd be guests on there that I have no reason to like, but I like, like John Mayer was a great guest. And for some reason I liked John Mayer because he was on Love Line and it was cool. Made Eddie Dick seem just like a lovable, wacky guy. Exactly. When he was

but a monster. Exactly. Yeah. So yeah, there are those, like that is the effect you have when you are a charismatic, popular figure who interviews people for long periods of time. Like long instead of just like a short, super edited interview. Yeah. And it's dangerous. It's really, really dangerous to not respect and understand your responsibility that you have. Yeah. And the fact that Joe Rogan was just like, I love Alex Jones. He's got to calm down. I think he's not dealing with the idea that like, no, I am a part of this now. Yeah. I didn't have to be. I've introduced millions of people to Alex Jones. Maybe not millions, but yeah, maybe. Yeah. Those people probably already knew who he was, but he's doing that thing. I'm like, oh, silly old

Alex over there. But also at the same time, allowing Alex to like, we went over that episode and like he allowed Alex to sound like he knew what he was talking about in a way that he shouldn't have. He should have pushed back on all this to expose that Alex, you're lying to people. Yeah. And because he loves him, doesn't want to do it. And it's really, really fucking dangerous. Now, unfortunately, Roddy Roddy Piper also likes Alex. Yeah. That's a bummer. Now, in the next clip we have here, Roddy Roddy Piper says something that I think Alex misunderstands. Okay. This is the kind of thing that needs to be exposed to America. They need to know, you know, they're trying to put us to sleep. I'm a born rebel. I can't help myself. I think Sean might be too.

Roddy Roddy Roddy Piper is a born rebel. You got to be kidding. So Alex is smiling like a cat that just ate the canary. Like he is over the moon when he says that I think that what Roddy Roddy Piper meant is he's rebellious by nature. Yes. What Alex thinks he meant is that he thinks that the South was right in the Civil War. Because that's what Alex thinks when he talks about being a rebel. Oh, that's the rebel flag. Oh, that sort of stuff. That is what Alex thinks is like, oh, shit. Roddy Roddy Piper is a Civil War revisionist. Oh, I don't know about that. I don't think Roddy Roddy Piper is saying that. I think that's what Alex thinks. Okay. Okay. I think Piper is saying, like I said, I'm a rebel. Yeah. I'm rebellious.

Okay. I buck against the system. Alex hears. Yes. I'm a I'm a I believe I believe in the federal receipt that the South will rise again. Meanwhile, fucking Piper is from Canada. Okay. So I don't think he has skin in the game now. But like that to me was like a moment or I'm like, Oh, no. Oh, no, Alex, I think I think you should have asked a follow up question there. I think Alex and I don't know. I don't know if I'm if I you you're you're more onto Alex than I am. So I don't know about that one. But I do think Alex is a guy who I know this 100%. Okay. Okay. For sure. But I think Alex is a guy who can fit whatever you say into his narrative. Yeah. But his narrative in this case is that Piper believes that the South was right.

That's because otherwise there would be no reason to be like, can you believe it? He's a born rebel. Yeah. Because of course he is anybody who knows anything about Piper knows that he didn't walk the beaten path in life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That he was he was an iconoclast in many ways. The fact that he's surprised means that he thinks it means something other than that. And I know 100%. Okay. But in this case, it means he celebrates old Dixie. Okay. I'm certain. All right. All right. So that was a misunderstanding, I think. But this next one definitely isn't. You know, every time we want to go to war with senior boy war, my boy's already been there. And it and it becomes with the mind control, trying to dumb down the

society, drugging society, putting stuff. I mean, it is a it's a major, major conspiracy for a new world order. It's no doubt about it in my excuse me, my humble opinion. There's no doubt about it, that the world is trying to evolve into something. Rowdy, rowdy rowdy Piper, I'm sorry, interrupted. What do you think it's what do you think you're trying to evolve it into? So a couple of things really quick. Yeah. The the idea that Piper is saying that the world is trying to become something is important to hold on to that thought. Okay. Because he comes back to it later. But the most important thing here is Piper believes in the new world order new new new world order. Yes. Second, that technique that Alex just displayed there is trade Mark

Alex Jones. Whenever his guest says what he needs them to say, yeah, he cuts them off. Okay. Lest they say something that would be like what I mean is exactly sure he cuts them off and then reframes exactly the same question they were about to answer in order to cut off their thought. Yeah. And make it be like, oh, let's start a new thought. I does this all the fucking time. I for sure that I agree with that for sure. He's I've heard him do that all the time. We're like, that's not you. I've listened to you guys do it. You're like, wait, that's not what he said. There's no reason for him to have cut him off there. He was obvious. Yeah, Piper was about to finish his thought. He wasn't going to break. It's not like he has to be like rowdy, rowdy. You know, he didn't

have anything to say. He just had to like cut him off. Exactly. Who are you Larry King? There's a there's a one of those like some YouTube channel had like wrestling conspiracy theories or whatever. I was like, I'll watch this. And one was that Ted Turner created the NWO as a distraction from the real NWO. Sure. Also, Roddy mentioned his son Colton. There's a couple kids. Yeah. A cabana one time. My Colton Cabana partner Colton Cabana or Colt, which is what Piper calls his son. Piper texted Colt one time like, I love you and I'm so proud of you. And Colt's like, I wish he was saying that for real to me, but he just wrote him back like, I think you got the wrong Colter, bud, but I hope you're doing fine. Oh man, anybody who's named

I can't think of a name that's really close to mom. Oh, they're going to say your, your, your, your other comedy cohort, Don Friesen. Oh, sure. I know. I've only gotten prank messages about that. Um, but I do, although I do hope Don Friesen is doing well. I tell you what, I was on a website putting in some information for a booking thing and they had his rate on there. It looks like he's doing pretty good. Oh yeah. He's doing okay. It was really close to having him on the podcast. It was this close. He's doing all right. Our friend Jeff Sheen worked with him a couple of times. He like opened for him on some dates and I was like, fucking tell him that there's another freezing. We got to talk and he was like, I'll do it. Yeah.

And I think, I think Don Friesen might have emailed me. No, he sent me a Facebook message. I have communicated with Don Friesen. I completely forgot about that, but you are, you are 100% right with, uh, the one I remember too is, um, man, what like family member he had on the podcast one time. Alex. Yeah. Buckley, his cousin. No, no, no. It was a, um, who's one of the big families that he always rallies against. Oh, the, uh, the one with the Rothschild. Yeah. Yeah. And he would be like, well, you know, yeah, we did that. Yeah. There you go. There you go. It's a malicious, uh, interview tacker. Sure. Sure. I mean, it's not what you need and you move on. Exactly. Hope for hope. Whenever you're cutting them off, you have a clean enough rowdy. Roddy

Piper, right? Battles the NWO. So most people don't catch onto it. Cause if I were, if Alex was interviewing me and he did that, I would get furious. Well, you know, there was a WrestleMania five Morton Downey Jr. kept interrupting Roddy Roddy Piper and Roddy had enough of it. Didn't like that. And he said, don't blow no smoke in my face. And then he got a fire extinguisher and Piper does not do that to, uh, to Alex Jones. He instead ends up complimenting him. Oh no. This, uh, again, I respect you and what you're doing in Sean. Uh, your opinions are much none of them. We want to know yours. Don't be humble, sir. No, but you're much more educated on this than I am. And I don't want, this is too serious. I don't want to, uh,

this is just my humble opinion. Sure. The world has to go someplace. So he keeps, he, he, he, Roddy Piper's sort of theme seems to be that like the world, it has to become something. Yeah. Which I completely agree with. Yeah. I completely agree with. And he's saying that there is like sort of nefarious forces behind the scenes. And I would agree with that too, but I would reframe it sort of in terms of like abusive capitalism, like deregulation of business, like those sorts of things are the crushing union like something's boiling. Yeah. Yeah. There's something boiling the negative forces. I think we probably could have an argument about like what they are. Yeah. And, but we could agree on the concept that like, yes, nothing is static.

The world is constantly changing. Um, and so, uh, here we get into, uh, sort of a picture of what he and Alex believe. Um, I think that, uh, they want one governmental force to, to govern, govern the world. Uh, it's just that everybody's got their own agenda. You can't get that done unless Gandhi's around. You can't, you, you, you, we, not sure what that means. Yeah. I don't, I'm not entirely sure. I don't think, I don't think Gandhi would have been able to create one more government. But that would, I mean, Gandhi was around. That didn't happen. Yeah. We can't get everybody on the same page. Well, another idea is if we all spoke the same language, it'd be kind of cool because the communication is gone. Uh, and then we can't

tell when they say obey. You know, we were mad at Russia for how long, but I've been there. And they're pretty nice people. They don't want to over the... Rowdy, Rowdy, Piper loves Russia. If you look at it, Russia didn't want to start a nuclear war. Pretty good people around the world. And to, to, to Rowdy, Rowdy, Piper's point, I agree. Yeah. The people are fine. The people are fine. The governments. Papa. The Papa who's in charge over there. I would assume that he's talking about going to Russia since 1999. Sure. Maybe. Sure. I might have gone before, although I think that would be anachronistic for his career and life. Um, I would, I would say that since then Putin has

been in power and he's a bad dude. I bet Putin watched some Hogan and Piper back in the day. He had to have. Loves a strong man. Oh, yes. I loved it. Ooh. You think he, I would, here's an interesting question. Do you think that people in foreign countries, like, do you think people in Bulgaria really love Rusev? Like, do you think that the Russians back then actually liked, uh, Nikola Koslov? Nik, who, what name did you say on that? Nikita Koslov? I'm sorry. Nikita Kolov. Kolov, whatever. I don't fucking remember that guy. Look, I don't like wrestling as much as you do. I know a bit of stuff, but I don't know everything. Uh, I don't know. I bet they didn't. I know the Von Erick's are very popular in Israel. Wait, but aren't they from Texas? Yeah. I have no idea why

they were so popular in Israel. See, we're not talking about that. Right. I'm talking about the people. Do they like the fake version? Even if Rusev is ethnically Bulgarian, I'm not entirely sure what his story is. Yeah. He's the Bulgarian brute. Right. But do they like the fake version? Like, do people in Mexico like, uh, Alberto Del Rio when he was in WWE? He's from Mexico. I understand that. Yeah. I see what you're saying. If they like the or if they hired me and they made me, uh, a Russian, right? Would Russians be like, yeah, dude. Yeah. I think so. Cause I think it's that thing about like being like finally see me, I see me on that TV. I, even though it wasn't me or, but what is your, like the character is bad. It doesn't matter. So like Irish people love fit

Finley. Sure. He's a legend in Ireland. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, some of them probably. Absolutely. You don't think William Regal is, is well loved in England. See, that's an accent I was thinking of, but like there, there's a, there's a thin line between like, there's a line between character. So I would want to know if Axel Rotten, who used to do a British character accent and everything, that's more what I'm talking about. If people over there were like, eh, we liked what you were doing over there. Do, do, do countries hang their hat on someone who is maybe an offensive portrayal of them just to see representation? Maybe. I don't know. Maybe. Anyway, uh, I don't know. I, I, it's, it's interesting because Russia almost never lets, let's ask somebody in the Middle East what they

thought of Italian Muhammad Hassan. He's Italian. Yeah. I don't think he was actually Middle Eastern at all. Mark Capani. That was his name. I was like, anyone, I don't, I would say, I don't think anyone liked that. Yeah, that's funny. Somebody just being like, but you know, oh, like, did, did people, uh, like when, um, uh, what was the guy who played the Indian guy and, uh, in, uh, that 80s movie about the robot Johnny five? Oh, uh, yeah, I know who you're talking about. Not batteries, not included. What's that fucking movie? People hate this. Yeah. Short circuit. No, I was trying to be Fisher Stevens. Yeah. I was coming up with the character or the actor and you were coming up with the movie and you came up with both. Congratulations. So it's like,

do people go like, well, at least we got an Indian guy fake or not on, on the screen. No, do you think that, uh, uh, black people enjoyed that, uh, that soul face? Yeah. I don't think so. No. I would imagine that we're getting to is, no, I bet they don't. Yeah. Um, but, so do you think white women appreciated white chicks? Do you think babies enjoyed little man? I watched a very serious, uh, film critique of white chicks the other day on YouTube and this guy was like, at no point, these are British guys, like, at no point do they look anything like the white women they were portraying. Do you, do you, but that had to be in the guy doing a bit. No, he was very serious. It was awesome.

I don't know. He was so serious. I don't know if I trust that. He's like, this is garbage. He's like, at least try to make them. He goes, at least the white women that they're supposed to look like make the white women through makeup look more like these guys look. So, you know, that's an interesting, that's an interesting idea for them to have done as a movie, but I don't believe that a serious music critic or a movie critic would do that kind of a review without most of it being an existential crisis about like, why am I doing this? Maybe. Why am I reviewing this movie? I don't know his name, but he's a British guy who has a lava lamp. He has a British guy who has a lava lamp. He's great at movie reviews. And it's like, you need to spend less time on YouTube. George

something. I'm, I'm so into YouTube right now. I'm going to, I'm going to YouTube subscribe to YouTube red. No, you ain't going to get that deep. No. All right. All right. But I'm in man. Every night I go, I go to bed to YouTube. You're savable at this point, but toy galaxy is my favorite. He's the best. I accidentally watched, I knew the names Rhett and Link, but I accidentally watched one of their shows. How are they? I mean, I guess it's just, they put it out there. How are they this popular? I have no, there's certain people. Hey, you know what? You just nailed my review. There are certain people and I, it's not a jealous thing. Nope. I'm not, I wish them all the best in the world, but there's certain people who I'm just like, how are you, how like, what is

happening? I think John Mulaney is a great comic. How is he selling out the Chicago theater like five nights in a row? I don't understand that one. I understand much more than Rhett and Link. Like I don't understand. I feel, I find there are some people on there. They're like, I'll be on some things on Twitter. I'll go to the news. I'll see what's, what's trending or whatever. And they'll be like, you know, like YouTuber, you know, Tabitha Smith had to shut down a convention that she was doing because 50,000 people showed up and they only thought 10 were going to show up. It's like, who are you? Yeah, that's the children. Yeah. I don't know. I want to complain more about Rhett and Link real quick. I was watching. I get it that Mulaney's clean. Yeah. He wears a suit. It's

very presentable. And very funny. And he's very funny. I just don't know. I'm not saying he's not funny. Yeah. I'm just saying, how is, how is it like? More your thought is like the Chicago theater is huge. Yeah. That's more. Back to Rhett and Rhett and Link. I'd never seen any of their videos. I watched a couple of them and I found their personalities to be distasteful. Like not, not like I hated them, but I was just like, I don't understand why anybody would watch these boring. I watched one where they like drank a bunch of different types of like sodas or something. Listen, I get that format. Sure. I get it. You do. I novelty beverage, Dan, novelty beverage enthusiast, Dan Friesen. Sure. Spice report, Dan, but I also don't get how it has 8 million

viewers. That part, I mean, even make it one million. I don't understand. Sure. Because their personalities are not anything other than bland, uh, tableaus whereupon you can paint whatever you'd like to be there. Like you can just imagine whatever character is there you want. All that stuff is fine. I get, I get that. What I don't understand is they have a fucking laugh track or the people who are making that show, the people behind the scenes are literally standing around while they're recording it. And there's a gas leak in that fucking studio. Was it like a talk soup thing where people are laughing while they're doing that? Yeah, it's so uncomfortable. I was watching one. I'm like, what the fuck are these laughs? Oh, no. Because people are saying,

like they're saying things that aren't really that funny. And they'll be like, Oh, no. I'm convinced it's a laugh track. Oh, I love this. It makes me so uncomfortable. Yeah. It's even like, I haven't watched sitcom sitcoms in a long time. And I love like, you know, old shows. Yeah. You know, there are a bunch of shows that I love. You go back and watch them and you're like, Oh, yeah, this feels weird. Why is everyone laughing? Yeah. It's very, it's very strange and Rhett and Link suck. That might hurt my possibilities of career advancement. Oh man. Who cares? We're not on YouTube. Who are they? I don't know, man. It's very weird. So in the last clip before we got off, I wish toy galaxy all the best and he deserves all the, all the followers in the

world shirt. Look, fantastic. I'm not saying there aren't good things on YouTube. I'm just saying that the ones that are super popular is three part, his three part history of GA Joe review was fantastic. Love it. We'll not be watching that, but I bet it's good. So in the last clip, the Piper was complaining about the what there's going to be a one world government. Yeah, he seemed to be one language, one group, one currency. You bet. He didn't even mention the currency part, but he's saying this in pretty like it's a negative way, which is runs counter to this next clip. What do I believe is trying to happen? Real quick. That is why I told you to hold on to like the idea of like the world is going to change into something. Okay. And he's

presenting that as a bad thing. No, maybe a good thing. No, but the way the way he's presenting it here is this is what is what's trying to happen. The positive version of it, just what's naturally the world is trying to change into. What do I believe is trying to happen? I believe that a lot of people with their own agendas are trying to come around and make one government to govern the entire world. And there's some things are going to have to do. We all got to speak the same language, and we all got to be sincere about what's going on and not so greedy. Absolutely. Because you can have the Star Trek idea of a one world government. Everybody's nice. The problem is the people running the global government are not nice people and they want

control. What? Alex is now, Alex is saying, I agree, but here's why that can't happen. Alex is saying like, Hey, it's cool if there is a one world government in one version that's like, what? I feel like Alex is like, yeah, I totally think that would be cool. But you know, then the people in charge might not be cool. But no matter who was trying to make that sort of centralized power structure, he would be like, they're bad. They're evil. Because that's a good way to make money. So the idea that he's open to the idea of one world government, just not this one world government, is like, what? That's so different than what he normally says. That's that's ludicrous. Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And then between those last two clips,

we have Piper saying, you know, one world government structure, universal language is a sort of negatively contextualized thing in the first clip. And then in the second clip, he's saying that what we what needs to happen with the way the world is trying to grow, you need to have a one world power structure, the planet of the Apes three ending. Right. But alas, maybe a one world government is the way to go. So what are these people even saying? We just got to be chill, baby. What are they talking about? These are we need to be sincere about everything and less greedy. Here's I agree with those things. You're hearing a guy who's probably at eight million concussions, who probably is just like so out of it. No, you're right. You're right. And I'm not

judging him too hard. But I am judging Alex pretty hard for having a celebrity on his show. And then being like, Oh, there's a good version of the one world order. Yeah. What? Well, I mean, if it's the good one, sure. But we're we know that ain't good. What's the what's the good one, Alex? We're white. I'm in charge. It's white. We're a kernel. So I mean, that that's just like, there's a lot of there's a lot of examples over the years that I've been able to find of him just like completely invalidating his own principles. Do you think I find delightful? Do you think when this is so funny that all these guys keep getting fired or resigning or whatever? Who was the bright Bart guy that was working for Trump? Oh, Bannon, Bannon, you think when Bannon got fired, if it

would have been a fun prank of like somebody who sounds just like Trump to call Alex and be like, look, Bannon's out. I need you to take that job over. If Alex thought in his heart, this is legit. This there's no way he would have done a special report immediately. Like there's no way. Yeah. If you could get Anthony Atamanic to call in and do that, that would be amazing. I mean, it would be so easy to give me a little time to shut things down here, but I can be there, Mr. President. Listen, Owen Troyer is ready to take over. He's doing great. He's a good kid. He's dumb as the day is long, but he's a good kid. David Knight will keep him in order. Yeah, I think you could get him on Rogan's podcast. Everyone will like him. I think if you could like dummy the

sending number, you know, like make it look like it's coming from DC, Washington, DC. You don't have to watch it could be Washington state. Washington, Seattle. All right. You get a decent sound alike. Yeah. You'd need someone to do like a Steve Pachennic impression though, because you need some backup before I put you on with the president. I'm just going to give you a little heads up. I think I don't think Alex knows what Jared Kushner or Steve Miller sound like. So you could have someone doing an impression of either of them. It could sound like you were right. It wouldn't really matter. Hey, Steve Pachennic. No, no, no, no, you couldn't do it because Alex and Steve are friends. Oh, okay. Hey, Alex is me, Jared Kushner. I'm going to put you on with

my father-in-law in a minute. I don't want to spoil anything, but I think Bannon's job is yours for the taking. Hopefully that's something you might want to do. And I'm going to patch over to my father-in-law. It turns out my father-in-law really likes having chief strategists that are media propaganda. That's the way to do it. Dad has always been impressed you. Dad's always been a fan of yours. No, daddy. Daddy has always been a fan of yours. Daddy's always thought you were one of the smartest guys out there. And Alex is like, Oh my God, this is happening. He loves how you're trying to rehabilitate the career of Milo Unopolis. Yes. Loves that you love white people so much. Yeah. I mean, that would be really fun to see just what would happen because, I mean,

Info Wars is super gullible. They've fallen for so many things. But are you willing to shave though? Oh, so we're doing this now. I don't know. Because he didn't have a beard back then. No, back then it would have been funnier. Oh, it'd be funnier even if you would have been like, are you willing to grow a beard? Well, yeah, I've been debating growing a beard for a while. And honestly, that might be what's going on now. One of those guys on Rhett and Link have a nice beard and I'm into it. I only know that that's Rhett because I singularly hated Link. I think he has zero personality and I want to push him in a locker. Very few people trigger like my beliefs. I love how bad you are about these two ding-dongs. I'm not really, but I just...

I'm glad I know who they are. And I've also wondered how they're... I think I did research. I was like, why? I think I googled like, why are they so popular or whatever. And they just like, it's one of those like, because we were in on the ground floor and did it every day. I guess. I mean, there's stuff like Hot Ones that I think is really great. Yeah. And they get like 2 million views on a lot of their videos. And like, I understand why people watch this. Yeah. And there's other things too that have a ton of views also that are not for me that I don't enjoy, but I get it. Yeah. People like Rhett and Link. I'm just like, there's also lots of boring people out there who like boring shit. Holy shit. Yeah. Sometimes

things are a little bit too out there for you. Maybe you don't want to hear about lizard people. Look, I'm not for everybody, but the people I am for enjoy. Absolutely. So in this next clip, man. So at this point, Piper has just been stupid in the sense that like he respects Alex, which is, I will say this about Piper. And I remember one time I was so excited because either he was going to have Vince Russo on his podcast or Vince Russo was going to have him on and Piper for a long time had been saying, uh, you're a cancer in the wrestling business, right? Because of you own heart died and all this stuff, like just heavy duty shit. And Piper goes, you know what? I thought about it. You're a daddy. You're trying to provide for your,

she could call him a daddy. You're just trying to provide for your children and I got no beef with you to squash it. And I was like, nah, that's it. It was just big. They built it up and everything. And then I was like, you're a daddy. It's like, God damn it. Hey, at the same time, it's kind of adult. Yeah. Not what I'm looking for. No, out of my wrestling podcast. Yeah, absolutely. By two hucksters. So at this point, the only thing that's really stupid is that he respects Alex. Sure. Unfortunately, in this next clip, he's going to say something that is much stupider. It all, it all starts with the kids. And as you get older and a little wiser, you're harder to fool. But you put up another pop idol for the kids, put up, put up another, uh, uh,

piece of music that maybe isn't Timberlake. It was nothing but, uh, vulgarity for the kids, you know, bang it into them. Uh, you know, I can remember, I think you know the Brunswick affair, probably Alan. Oh, yes. Yeah. And for those who don't know about the Brunswick affair very quickly, uh, about, I think in early sixties, they had a TV called the Brunswick. And, uh, the people that bought it, dad would go to work, mom would be there and dad would come back home and all of a sudden she bought 20 pounds of dog food, but they don't have a dog. And they found out that there was a little button and a TV called the Brunswick. And when the commercials came on, they did something that shot out these waves and made you buy.

That's in the early sixties. Can you imagine how sophisticated they are now? Holy shit. Oh man. What do you think about that? I think, uh, I think the hot rod is a, uh, a bit of a conspiracy theorist. Do you know what the Brunswick affair is? I do not. It's a television show that was, uh, it was like the Twilight zone. Okay. This, this episode, the Brunswick affair, I'm into it is a mockumentary type style, uh, TV program that came out that talked about TV sets that were put out in the sixties. Okay. That is not true. So he's talking about this mockumentary as if it were real. Yep. It's like, it's like, uh, like a Twilight zone episode being real or a black mirror nowadays based on reality. Oh sure. I mean, it's interesting

ideas certainly. And it's, and it's obviously mirroring something that people have been reports of, of subliminal messages and stuff in the media. Advertising is, uh, is rife with, uh, uh, in ethical practices, but specifically what he's talking about is something that is absolutely fake and it's nonsense because the dates don't match up. Like in order to avoid getting sued, they changed the name from the, uh, like the Brunswick radio and TV company to just the Brunswick company. I think they should have gotten sued anyway, but somehow avoided it. Maybe creative license. I don't know, but that's actually a really famous example of something that is absolutely fake. Yeah. Uh, and Roddy Roddy Piper is like, can you imagine what they can do now if they did

that then? They didn't have a Brunswick button. What the fuck are you talking about? So what was he saying about pop stars and stuff? Like he's saying that that's how they distract the kids. Okay. Many of these new pop stars come out and say dirty things, which I'm like, Hey dude, what did you do for a professional wrestling? Exactly. There's a, there's an element of it where it's like, but I think, I think Roddy is a guy who probably saw some pop star Illuminati videos. You know what I mean? I think this is probably, I think he's a guy who people with the one eye covered devil horns. And it's funny too, where maybe he goes to vigilantcitizen.com guys who were so wild back in the day are now like, you know, you got these pop stars out there telling kids

it's all right to have premarital sex. Oh yeah. Like the thing you did forever. Yeah. Yeah. With minors. Yeah. Maybe not Roddy Roddy Piper, but never, never the hot rod. Oh boy. I would always check 90s. It's a mess. So in this next clip, Alex and Roddy talk about like, they've gotten into like a bit of a conversation where they're like, you know, nothing's really been said yet. What do you mean? With with this interview? Well, yeah, they're both kind of not on the same page. No, I've cut out almost all of like Alex just being like, Oh my God, they live is so amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like fanboying about it. Right. And then like, there are some things that have been said, like, okay, we didn't know, but I think like, we didn't know that Roddy Roddy Piper was a

fucking info warrior. I didn't know that thing that was said. I did not know that. That's crazy. What did because she's a Roddy Piper's a big influence on Ronda Rousey. What did she say that was a little off? Well, there she got some heat because she didn't want to fight that trans MMA fighter. I believe work. Yeah. And she said that she wasn't. I don't remember the exact quotes and I don't want to get this wrong. But from my understanding, there was some like a denial of her identity. Okay. The other thing is she's like an anti vaxxer and maybe a Sandy Hook truth. So but besides that, she's a fantastic professional wrestler and she's really doing great. I'm not sure if she walked some of that back though. I think that some of the Sandy Hook stuff she's

walked back. She's she seems like she's very dumb. Like unfortunately, because I think and so in big cast, both big Trumpers have been shown the door. Well, for other reasons, other reasons, but they've been shown the door. I mean, I mean, with big cast, it was the nipples. That was the issue with him, right? As I understand, it was funny because I was looking at our previous texts and I was like, why don't this picture big cast with these giant fake titties? I love that. For those of you out there who don't have access to our text chain, I texted Marty on his birthday to tell him that for his birthday, I got big cast fired. Yeah. And I sent him a photo of big cast with the giant nipples. This guy on

Twitter would always do big cast with these gigantic nipples and plump breasts. Very gross, which is why I didn't respond. But anyway, I don't know, man, it's it's very weird. I don't think necessarily I don't I don't know all of rousies issues. This is kind of like the new for me. It's just kind of like when you hear like an actor or a musician you like as a Scientologist, you're kind of like, oh man. Yeah, I had that with Jason Lee when I was like 19 or so. He's out, baby. He's out of the church. Yeah. Oh, that's good to know. He lives in Texas now. Oh, that's cool. So he's on a farm. They change his kid's name. Does this thing? I don't know. What's his kid's name? Pilot Inspector. Oh, that's right. Hey, you know what? I get the Scientology channel.

We get direct TV. There's a channel. Yeah, we get direct TV. You would think that they wouldn't want to allow that on the direct TV. They're in. Wow. They probably pay him big money for it. Yeah. It's in with all the direct TV has a tremendous amount of infomercials. It's crazy. Oh, they're like brokers. Oh, my God. And it's like, get a slim waist in 30 days. Because to a certain extent, probably because they how they're how they work, they almost have infinite channels. Yeah, that they could broadcast on. And so why not fill it up with tons of and we get it for free. Yeah, because we find it for an internet or something. I don't know. But we're not gonna be free later. No, but we get six months from now, you're gonna get fleeced with a huge bill. Well,

it's the only way I can watch live PD. I watch live PD so much. What does that mean? There's a show on A&E called Live PD Police Department 24. They're live on the scene. It's cops, but live. No. Yeah. No, it's fucking crazy. I gotta come over. You've never had a live PD. No. Oh, my God. That's like that is Dan. No, Marty, that's the evolution of weirdos sitting around listening to police. It is. You know what? I knew a bunch of those guys when I was. Oh, yeah. My first house that I lived in. I had it. I had it. Not I didn't have one, but I remember when my friend did a police scanner. I remember listening to being like, this is amazing. My neighbor in my first house, Dean and Ed, these two old guys, one of them was a Vietnam

vet and the other had stolen Valor all day long, which I also watching on YouTube. Yeah. So I would go over to their house and Dean lost his arm. He's a one arm man. Left it in Nam. See, he made me think for a really long time. Turns out he left it at the factory. Well, see, he would always talk about how bad it was in Nam. And I believe it absolutely was. But he never told me how he lost his arm until like six months and does hanging out. Okay. And it turns out it was after he got back state side, he had a DUI. He crashed his car and lost his arm. The whole time I thought he had lost it in Nam, but who cares? So you got a purple heart. That's that one guy would say to him, you got a purple heart, then you lost a limb.

What do you got? The other guy, the stolen Valor guy. Yeah. He couldn't talk barely. Ed was a disaster. Okay. So I would go over to their house and like, it was a thing where at the time I was selling weed. Yeah. My early days in college. Hell yeah. And so I had tons of weed and just like a lot of the time my friends were in school or jobs and I didn't have anyone to hang out with and Dean and Ed were over there hanging out and Dean would be like, Hey, you want to, yeah, if you bring over some weed, yeah, I'll write Dean. I got you. So I'd bring over weed, he rolled up some blunts and we'd sit around and smoke weed and he'd tell me about Nam. And also he always would be intently listening to the police scanner and I fucking enjoyed the

shit out of it. Although it was Columbia, Missouri, where there were no crimes happening. So it was a boring ass police scam. I'm trying to think if they're in Missouri, they might be in Missouri. They're all over the place. But watching it live. Oh yeah. They have eight police departments throughout the country and they check in. Look, let's go back to that man who was pulled over for, it's all black people too. Sometimes you feel bad. Oh, although we were watching the other night based on who the police departments are talking. We were watching the other night and we're like, they clearly are like, we got to get some white people on here. It was crazy white people night. It was so fun. Is it 24 hours? No. So what happened? But that sucks. But if it was,

here's the deal. I'm good. If it was, I would get direct TV right now. First of all, we get we need to find you somebody who has a sling membership. Sling TV. Oh, dude, I actually auditioned for a voiceover. I was like, why do I know that name? Oh, it's because I did a bunch of takes. Here's what you need to do with direct with direct TV. I put live PD on the DVR. Right. There's a live PD rewind and a live PD. Another one. A&E is going so in on this. I honestly feel like this live PD has the potential to overcome baggage as like the best thing on television. Sarah and I watch it so much. So Friday and Saturday night, you know what needs to happen? I need to come over and watch it with

you guys. Dude, for sure. I would love you to come over and watch it. I haven't seen her in place yet. So now this is just turning us to hang out. It's so good. Apparently, people don't have their IDs on them. They just don't have IDs. Oh, of course. And they're always like, well, now I'm going to search. You don't have your ID on you. Well, that becomes probable cause or they're like, well, who are you? Let me get your name. And a lot of times it's this one, like pretend you're the cop and I'll be like the criminal guy and be like, okay, I see your ID. I don't have it. Where is it at your house? Yeah, I think so. Okay. What's your name? That took you a while. Marty. Hold on. That took you a little bit too long. I had a little

suspicious. I didn't hear you. It's Marty. What's your last name? Why do you need my last name? I don't understand why you need my last name. Is Marty your Christian name? Or the guy goes, when's your birthday? This like this guy goes, he's when's your birthday? And he's like, 9755. And he's like, how old would that make you? And the guy's like, and they always do the like, Hey, man, you be honest with me goes a long way. You got anything in the car. And they're like, no. And there's always, I mean, something's in the car, grenade launcher guns in the car. See, it's interesting because it's live. Yeah, it's not live. Right. Well, I mean, some of it's pre recorded, but a lot of it's live, live-ish. It's live to tape

or whatever, but it's not like the show is happening live. It's live. It can't be. And it's live. Because it would have to be so boring for most of it. No, no. They know how to jump around and stuff. And some of it is boring. That's why you watch the rewind. That's when you really packs it in. There was this guy who was evading the cops in a pickup truck. This guy was such a good driver. It was like Duke's a hazard, like this fucking guy. They have the cops miked up and they're like, look at him drive. They had a canine cop and the dog was just like, the dog want all these dogs too. These dogs are the real stars of the show. Of course. This dog wanted to bite this guy so bad. It's like the cop version of the puppy bowl. Yep. And the guy, passengers got his hands

off the window the whole time, like, I ain't, I'm not done with this. I'm not done with this. I just got in the wrong course. I told Sarah, I told Sarah, I go, if wherever, if wherever in the situation, just say that I forced you to just put your hands out the car window. Add another charge to me. Yeah, no kidnapping. And this guy was just like, dude, any, because the cops do that one bump move where they get you in the back bumper and you flip around the J turn couldn't do it. They couldn't bump this guy. And then they threw the tracks out knew that was coming. He was evading it. They threw the tracks out and he just fucking turned on the wrong. Oh man. So good. Amazing. So good. Damn it. I really love the show. If you guys are part of live PD nation,

give me a hell yeah. They call the fans live PD nation. And you'll, I noticed a lot of people live that on Twitter that I follow and follow me. Everyone's tweeting about it. See, it's interesting. This is like this interesting thing that I'm experiencing now as like someone who's just like completely out of it. Like there are shows like that that are like, that is exactly what I want to watch. Yeah. I had no idea it existed until it does. It's waiting for you, baby. There are times where I feel bad because it's all mostly poor and mostly minorities. But I mean, at the same thing as cops ever was, you know, and I will say that there's sort of a, I think there's kind of a gross voyeurism. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Being exploited by us

by enjoying those shows and protected in the same way. But I think it's the same way that almost all of those shows are like my strange addiction or hoarders. Yeah. Any of those shows you watch and it's like this train wreck of we, we, Sarah and I watched hoarders for a little bit and we're like, this is kind of wild to watch. And then it just got sad. We can't watch it anymore. And then the other day I go, my house is watching for a second. See if we see anything on here. That's interesting. And then they just like lifted up a couch and pulled out a dead cat. That was like, Oh, no, that was like as, as hard as a book. And they're like, Hey, we got a dead cat. And we're like, turn, we're turning this off. But the difference with those is like the horror is

like this, this like, how do people live? Sure. In this sort of world. And then with the cop stuff, it's the horror is the presumably the protagonists of the show. Yeah. Like the cops are the characters of the show. Yeah. And they're the bad ones. So you're watching it and you're like, Oh my god, like you're seeing all these people get arrested. Well, live in really fucked up situations. And often live PD is usually pretty good PR for cops. It shines them in a pretty positive light. Well, with editing, but every once in a while, all the criminals every once in a while, there's that you're like, Well, what this one I'm still baffled. But there's so many people who are like, pull this guy over. They pull this guy over there and they're in like a border town. So like from

from like Indiana to Illinois or something like that. Oh, not like a Mexican border. No, no, no. So although they have that on there too. When you say border down, border town, I think of like Juarez. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So because I grew up, I grew up in Indiana and in Indiana, you only had to have a back license plate. Illinois, you got to have a front and back. Oh, yeah. They pull this guy over hypothetically in in Illinois, and he had an Indiana plate. And he's like, Why'd you pull me over? Because you don't have a front plate. And he's like, I live in Indiana. I don't have to have a front plate. And he goes, In Illinois, you need a front plate. And he searched them and found a bunch of drugs. And I was like, Wow, that didn't seem fair. But I just saw in the

news in Minnesota, they busted these guys with like hundreds of pounds of weed. But the judge threw it out because they pulled them over under illegal. I bet he didn't get the pot back. No, that's what's bullshit about it. You should still have that pot. And then he'll have like, Listen, we're going to give it back to you. And we're going to turn around. Yeah, and you got 10 minutes to get out of here. I think that's exactly what they should do. We could we pulled you over under false pretenses. But I know we have to create exactly the scenario you were in before we stopped you. I love a good, fun, bust on live PD, like when they bust a guy with a prostitute. And the guys like, That's my wife and they separate them. How's that good? And they go, because it's like

harmless. You know what I mean? No, it's not. No one's getting harmed. Everyone's getting harmed. And he goes, What's her name? And he goes, I don't know. Because that's your wife. I thought you said, I don't know. I don't know. Shock on what? I don't know. Alright, maybe I was wrong. I feel like there's a lot of harm there. You're not no harm, not no harm, but you know what I mean. Yeah, I know. I, I used to clean fun. Good clean fun. Everyone's having fun. Yeah, live. I'm so happy you're going to get on the live PD. We're going to set a date. I'm coming over to watch. I haven't seen Sarah in a while. Here's what you do. Come over on a Saturday. That way Friday is recorded. Okay. We'll let Saturday get recorded. We'll watch Friday a lot. We'll watch Friday's episode.

What are you doing next week? I don't know. It's tough. That's why I love it because I always have the stuff recorded. Cancel your gigs. Alright, coming over on Saturday. You know what? Let's do it. Alright, I'll deputize you. I'll make you a member of live PD nation. Alright, sounds good. And then the next, our next episode will just be a thorough review. So you're in, I think you would be like, how could you watch this? It's un, it's terrible. I mean, I hate the police and all that. Like I think systematically, they're a problem. But like, the idea of watching it live does trigger that. Like I said, the same thing about like listening to the police scanners when you're younger. That sort of thing is very riveting. Yeah. But the only thing that I'm against is the

sort of the excitement and fetishizing the cops doing things. You know what I mean? Like, I, I think, I think entertainment value is fine in that. But like the idea of like, get up. No, that sort of thing is that that impulse, because I think some people have that. Yeah, I think some people watch cop shows and they're like, take them down. And I think that that's gross. I remember one time I was watching an old ass cops. This was like one of the first, probably like four or five years cops was in its existence. They didn't have the formula down for a while. And one time they just parked a semi in a clearly black neighborhood, a poor black neighborhood. They parked a giant semi and they left it unlocked and the driver

like was like, Oh, it's not working. I'm going to walk away. And then people would like open the doors and be like, Oh, shit, there's like VCRs and TVs. And then they would grab them and then the cops were in the back of the semi and they would come out and arrest people. I'm like, that's fucked up. And those charges would never stick. Like they're just doing that to humiliate people. That's, that's, that's absolute. They would never fly in court. But I also like a guy, but also let me say this. If I were in that neighborhood, I probably wouldn't steal a VCR. But if I saw like a big, a semi with the thing open, there's no fucking way I wouldn't look inside there. There's no way I do like online PD where sometimes you, you realize

stuff you can get away with and like stuff that's not a good, like they're just like, look, if sometimes someone's walking down the street and they're just being real weird, they're like, there's no crime against being weird. Or like if they're in their house, like one time this, that they just sort of houses, your kingdom, my husband's just real drunk. Can you please just come by and they're like, has he put his hands on you? And they're like, no, he's just really drunk. And this one guy was just like, what are you doing in my house? And they're just like, look, man, you got to just go to bed. And it's like so fun of like, sometimes a cop's job is just to go to a house and be like, Dan, go to bed. And he goes, what time do you have to work tomorrow? The

guy goes 730 in the morning. And he goes, you're never going to make it. And he goes, I guarantee you I make it to work. I guarantee it. You know, see, I'd love to watch that. But so fun, but not not because that guy who's drunk is a shithead, but because that scenario is hilarious. It's adorable. Yeah, adorable. Or they're like, you've got to go to bed. And he goes, I ain't going to bed. You go to bed. Your job is to try and give good advice. Yeah. Or one lady had smoked meth and she had swore her boyfriend was under the floor. Her ex who cheated on her, I believe was under the floor. And the cops goes, yeah, this happens a lot with these people who do meth. They think people are in the floorboards or in the walls. Very common delusion. I got it. And

then at one point, I mean, let's just show it up and she just goes, all right. And she's got the ambulance and they took off. All right. Okay, cool. They got saline drips in there. Now the only thing I would say, and I think this is an important point to make is that most of these people who are having these like drunk, delightful experiences with the cops are white and people who know not always, but I imagine a charismatic black guy can go a long way on live PD a charismatic black guy. And they're just like, this guy's a treasure. Look at this guy. Well, I would say that the number of times black people get jaded up, yeah, dude, for sure, killed by the police. Oh, that's not going to be on live PD. You do see a lot of

see, here's the thing with live PD and I'm not defending cops shooting people who should not be shot for any reason. But you do sometimes from watching live PD, you see some of the stress and the pressure of that job. Come on. And no, dude, I'm serious. Some people are doing some real shady shit. And they're just like, yo, man, what are you doing? Right? I understand that. But there's no way you don't think that's what you're signing up for as no, no, no, for sure. I know if you can't handle that with a plumb, then don't fucking do it. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying there are times where you see people and you're like, and they'll say to them, they're like, look, man, if I was a different cop, you might have gotten shot here. Like I know what I'm

doing. I've been doing this for 20 years. I know, I know what to do. But shit, man, like, dude, I almost had to shoot you. One guy just came running at them going, shoot me, shoot me. In that case, you probably should shoot. And they shot him with a taser, but they're like, dude, you can't do that. Like, what are you doing? I love the idea of a post game after that, just sitting with him. I love it. Hey, man, look, I saw you running at me saying, shoot me. I just want to tell you, you can't do that. Someone will shoot you. I love afterwards when they talk. And they're like, look, man, that's like that moment with like a dog bounty hunter all the time after he'd catch them and like sitting down with them talking like new cigarette. Yeah. Like, hey,

man, be cool. Everything's all right. We got you. There's some cops now. Hey, there's some cops where I'll tell Sarah because after a while you start to recognize the cops because they follow the same ones over and over again. And there's some I'm like, oh, this guy's so good at talking to people afterwards. Like, man, what were you doing? There's a black guy who's like such a good cop. He's like, what are you doing? And like, I don't know. And he's like, did you think you were going to get away? And they're like, yeah, I thought I was going to get away. It's like, once I hop that fence, I thought I'd be out of here. But those cops, I didn't know you had a dog. Those cops are the ones who are trying to transition into a secondary career.

Steve Welco or whatever the Jerry Springer guy was. Yeah, exactly. Trying to get their own show. He goes, ah, man, I didn't know you had a dog. I would have outran you guys, but the dog. No way. Yeah. All right. So we're so far on track. Back to Roddy Roddy Piper. So it's interesting actually that we've been talking about these, this cop show for as long as we have PD, because in this next clip, Alex, after, like I said, long, why is back? Alex and Piper have been having a conversation about like, why does why does everybody else not see through this stuff? But we do. Why are we the only ones with glasses? And Rod, Rod, Roddy Roddy Piper.

And Alex suggests that it's something that might show up on live PD, possibly mushrooms. And I think you just answered my question there that I said at the beginning of the break and I was going to reintroduce what makes those of us that are immune or resistant to the programming. And I think it's that we grew up as individuals and we grew up and had a brush with the streets. I grew up in the middle class area, but for whatever reason, there was a lot of fights, a lot of corrupt police, government drug dealing, a lot of police running hookers, you name it. And I grew up, you know, watching this going on in my neighborhood and then watching the same cops give speeches against drug use at school. And I called them out and they threatened to kill

me and stuff. But I think that was kind of my wake up was I put the sunglasses on because I saw the other side and saw how naive everybody is. And I think you said it best. They want to get the youth, dumb them down, make it all a bunch of political correctness to where the kids don't even know how to make a sandwich. Bullshit. Kids know how to make sandwiches. All right. A cop pulled Alex, a cop busted Alex and his friends one time and emasculated Alex. Well, I mean, he's even talked about the time that a Nazi cop pulled him over and let him go because he was white. Like he talked about that. He started a clip one time talking about like, I've never seen white racism. And then went into a story about like how him and his buddies were

underage with beer in the car. Yeah. Driving back from like a party at the beach. It was Texas. It was a different time. And then this cop pulls him over with a Nazi tattoo on his arm and is like sees that they're white and is like, you kids have a good night. Oh man. I'm like, Alex, you're just, you just described very clear white racism just because it didn't hurt. Is he anti cop again? No, he's anti cop back then. So he's, he's talking about this corruption that he experienced and he was a kid. I called him out and they threatened to kill me. I don't believe any of that stuff. Again, Rockwall, Texas, 3,300 people. Oh man. They don't think they had that kind of organized network. Was it his dad and the CIA or something? No, that's all bullshit.

I did a bunch of research into his dad recently. Yeah. There's no evidence that his dad was ever involved in any CIA, FBI, anything like that. He's been a dentist since like 1980, something or longer than that. That's where they put the chips in. He, he claims that he was a dentist to some CIA agents and that's sort of the closest you can get to anything substantial. But Alex, I, when the parents turn on these guys, that's when you know it's like, oh man, there was this, there's his dad is his HR rep. Oh, okay. His dad runs the human resources department. Oh, you did the research that his dad wasn't what he said. No, his dad runs the human resources at infowars. We know that because two employees have sued him for EEOC complaints. And his dad had to go on record

as the person who runs the human resources department. And he said, Hey, look, it's a locker room here. It's a yeasty environment. Oh, fuck you. Locker room talk, baby. Exactly. Yeah. Hey man, sometimes we lock her up room talk. Yeah. Sometimes Rob do says, uh, the n word. Who knows? That's just Rob being Rob, baby. Rob. I, I just think I don't believe any of this. And I don't believe any of the stuff about his dad being in the CIA. That's just stuff that the internet keeps repeating because they want to create this narrative that Alex Jones works for, uh, Mossad or Israel or the government or something like that. When in reality it's much simpler. He's a two bit con man who's also a white supremacist. Yeah. He's a, that explains his entire career. You don't need

the intelligence agency who's being used by well now the president, the president, but Russia also probably, I think, I think that connection is much looser. I think that, uh, they, what is Roger Stone? What do you think Roger Stone thinks of Alex? I think he thinks he's very stupid. But he's like, yeah, this guy's doing all right for himself. Yeah, totally. I think that when they met, they met in 2013, I think, uh, they met at, well, I know they met at a JFK convention. And I think that Roger Stone probably immediately recognized, uh, very, uh, competent person in Alex. He's very talented, but also that he's, uh, stupid and compromisable. Okay. And I think that as the days wore on and, uh, Roger left Trump's campaign in order to do propaganda outside of

it, uh, I think he realized Alex is a perfect, perfect, uh, tool for that and went to work on him and realized it'd be very easy to compromise him. And who knows if it was money or just being like a Trump's a white nationalist too, he will further the goals that you, uh, want. It's very clear. That's what you're about. Do you think that stones a white nationalist? Um, I think that he doesn't have principles. I think that he's, uh, I think he's an anarchist. I think he's a chaos agent to the, like the very definition nihilist. He's a nihilist. I think that he, I think, uh, based on the people he buddies up with, I don't think that I think it would be impossible to do that without being sympathetic to white nationalism and white supremacy. But I don't know

from, there's a, there's a, like, there's such a trend of like, it seems like he's fucking around that like, I feel like he just like, I'm certain he's cut a deal too. We've talked about this a bit. I'm pretty sure he's cut a deal. What's he been saying lately? I haven't been listening. Oh, he's just doing the same stuff. Blustery nonsense. But like the way the walls are closing in and the way that he has to keep admitting like, well, yes, of course, I did talk to that guy, like that sort of stuff. I never said I didn't. Right. There's a, there's a feeling of invulnerability that he has that I don't get from a lot of other people. I got a sense, especially from watching that documentary with him where he's just like, well, the Republicans didn't want me and fuck

the Democrats. So fuck everybody. I'm going to fuck all this shit up. That's the, that's what I get from him. Chaos. Chaos, baby. He's an agent of chaos. Yeah. I don't think he has any like, hard and fast alliances to nationalism, to Russia, to anything. I think he's got an allegiance to getting freaky. I think he's absolutely. And also he's in the same boat as Alex. Like, he's very competent. Like as much as it pains. No, he's awesome at what he does. Anyone in our boat hates to admit like that sort of thing, but like Alex is an amazing broadcaster. They need to study. I keep saying they need to study this guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's really good at propaganda. I'm sure when he finally goes full, you know, against Trump and what do you want to know?

They could be, he's going to be like the guy in a, in a catch me if you can where they'll be like, now he, Lucky Luciano, whatever, people how to, how to find the people who are running all the scams. Whoever was the first like Mafioso to flip or whatever. Like he's the guy who's like, this is what's really going on. Yeah. I don't think it'll ever come to that because I don't think you need that kind of information in Roger. He's going to go to prison? No. I think he's got a deal. I'm almost certain he's got a deal. Like part of the deal is probably that I can't, I'm going to cut this deal, but part of the deal is no one can know I cut this deal. I'm going to disappear to Argentina. I'm going to be doing a podcast from someone keeps pointing

out, not just someone. It keeps getting pointed out that like whenever it gets really hot, Roger ends up showing up on info wars like in Texas. It's like, might want to be close to the border. Just slip away. He seems like the kind of guy like in a movies where I'm like a white suit with a white fedora and he just disappears into a crowd, into a crowd. Yeah. Absolutely. Like the end of that silence of the lamb sequel. You can't, you can't be like, he was known as a fucking head pot stirrer 30 years ago. You can't survive this long without being like having exit strategies without having like an idea of what's going to happen. He's never been this much of a marquee player in the things that are happening like politically. And I don't think

that he wouldn't have an exit strategy and that probably I'm gonna snitch or he's got enough dirt on people. Yeah, I'm sure he's like, Hey man, looks like I'm going to go down for some of this stuff. So you politician are probably going to have to put in a word, good word for me. Otherwise I'd hate to let people know that me and my wife fucked you and your wife or something. Anyway, anyway, so at this point, they go to calls. All right, we got Piper, we got Alex Jones, Roddy, big fan, we got Sean Stone, who's been silent most of this time, just sitting there in the camera with Roddy Piper, just being like, Hey, I'm friends of this guy. Yeah. And so they take calls and this first call is interesting because they, like I said, I cut out most of the

times that Alex is just geeking out about they live. But they are talking in this call about they, the they of they live. And this caller kind of gets where Alex is coming from. Want to take some phone calls. Rowdy, you ready to take some calls? You betcha. All right, let's go to Will in Georgia. You're on the air. Also really quick, I want to just be clear, Alex keeps calling him rowdy, rowdy, as if rowdy is his first name, like rowdy, let's do this. And it's very much like, come on, man. With the legendary star of they live, go ahead. Thanks, Alex. That's a great movie, Roddy. You did a good job. I was a, it's a true ministry on the late they live. I actually married into the they part of they

live, they control the New York LA Sodom and Gomorrah Access Hollywood Babylon. And they taught my kids every morning on Saturday during worship services that everybody wasn't part of their tribe with subhuman animals, cattle, just like I said in the movie that they're, and they actually put that, I mean, the preacher, the rabbi would tell them that your job growing up and from birth, they told them this is the cheat who lied to Rob and slave and kill all the Gentiles. All right. Well, listen, do you have a, you have a specific question, sir? Well, no, I mean, it's just, we're, we're weak. America is our focus has to be on the creator who's named the sovereign of the United States, the creative universe. All right. Well, listen,

I appreciate your call. We've got questions or comments for our guest. We don't screen calls. Like that is just a guy who's regurgitating the protocols of the elders' Zion and pretending that his children were taught that in some sort of synagogue or Sunday school, because he's like, I married one of them and they are the Jews. That is the, for Alex to pretend like this isn't exactly what someone listening to my show would think. This is like that clip. Do you ever see that clip of Alex? I think they played it on the, on Sam Cedars show. It was, Alex was at a bar drinking a beer and that guy was like, I own Info Wars records. I want to make rap. I want to do like rap and he goes, Hey, ah, cool. All right. Yeah. Alex fucking pound. Let me buy your drink.

Alex get out of here and get, I'm going to get the fuck out of here. It's like, Alex, these are your fans. No, these are the people who you've been helping. No, but, but also I totally think that was the right thing to do. Get out of there. Sure. Like I get that, but like he knows that, but it's like, he hates his fans. You know, these are your fans. Like, listen, man, that's the thing with Trump when he's at those rallies. So he must be like, get me the fuck out of here. Yeah. Yeah. You have people who are just like, I have created a thing. Yeah. I will deny the consequences of it. I will escape it at every, every possible turn. Cause like, I mean, I think that, I think that some of that is unavoidable. Sure. To some extent,

I think that no matter what, if you have a fan base, there's going to be some people in it that are like, but I think that it's probably 80% of Alex Jones is like, let's not, let's not talk to that guy. Rarely. Yeah. Well, he meets somebody who's like, Oh my God, Alex, I'm such a huge fan of yours. I'm crazy seeing you in this airport bar. You know, we're in the VIP club. That's crazy. I mean, we've met a couple of people who have like a Keegan and John or a couple of listeners who have come to Chicago and I've gone and got some drinks with them. Sure. And then when we were down in Austin, both of them were there and other folks, I don't want to name everybody because I forget some, but Heather and Mike and Chris, like I met all these people and like,

there you go. I didn't think anybody was a real monster or anything. Sure. I've met a bunch of people and I'm very happy to have drinks with them. And absolutely. No, there's, I don't think that there's ever an instance where Alex, oh boy, I see what you're writing there. Most of them are cool people. I get you. Yeah. Alex, but that would that that when there was that Marty, Marty was just writing on a piece of paper, the, the code name of someone that we, we met a possible problematic and apostle of Alex. But I will say watching that video was just like, yes, this is what you've created. Yeah. This kid and you're unwilling to, yeah, you're unwilling to deal with me. What's your point? What's your question? Yeah. If someone were to come up to me like that,

and it were like a accurate representative. What if I just went, Dan, thanks for opening my eyes to these Jews taking over the world. I would talk to them for a bit and hope that I could correct some of those perceptions. You listen to Alex, so I don't have to. Thanks for cutting out and just getting me Noah's message. Well, I would, I would, I would, I would sincerely try to like see where the disconnect was and see what they weren't understanding. Yeah. And if it weren't possible, I would say like, please reconsider a lot of this stuff. Yeah. There's nothing I can do. Maybe you should stop listening to my show or something like that because it's like, I don't think you're, you might not get it. Yeah. But I don't know. So thank you for your

Patreon donations. Yes. So this caller, this first one clearly thinks that's the Jews. Yes. But Roddy Roddy Piper. Zion, baby. Piper has a slightly different take on it. Well, I was going to ask, I actually wanted to ask Roddy that because, you know, this is John Stone finally trying to, trying to help things. Yeah. I'm really curious to know where that story came from because Carpenter wrote it. And I mean, and you're, and you're, he must, you know, in your interaction with it, I mean, I'm sure you came across some interesting discussions as to what he thought, you know, who, who they really are. And if, does he really believe that they, that they are alien? Yeah. Who is they exactly? Yeah.

At that time in 88, I think it came out in 88. They was the propaganda, the world was shoving down our throats. But John and I, we talked a lot before we made this movie. I took it real serious. And, John Carpenter's a cool dude. You know, I don't want to speak for John, but just the way I remember it is, again, I'm, I don't think that we're the only, I don't think we're the only living source of energy in the universe by any means at all. And there's big committees right now getting together and saying, talking about people are, excuse me, things from other planets, aliens, tall whites, greys, reptiles. And we weren't that detailed with it. But John and I both agreed

that we don't think we're alone in the universe. And I think that I ran across a doctor friend of mine who didn't agree with me at all. And I found that amazing that an educated man like that would not, would not see that far. But maybe, you know what, maybe I'm the crazy one. I don't know there. Maybe. So it's aliens. It's literal aliens. So yes, your, your hip replacement was successful. Also, I don't believe aliens exist. And I am crazy. Okay. All right. Just go to check out. I don't know, man, like, so one caller is like, it's the Jews. It's clearly the Jews. And then, you know, Stone is like trying to fix this a little bit like, who are they? Well, I believe it's literal aliens. Yeah. Well, you saw their blue faces, you know, so. What'd you do? Why did

you just draw a star there? I don't know. It's bored. Okay. Just doodling a little. I'm a doodle, my ADD. I thought that was like some trigger in your body. I also was on Robocop. That's another example of the first movie. Perfect. Sure. Second one, they're reaching a little bit. Some of those commercials are terrible. The commercial, no, not the remake Robocop too. But I thought the remake was pretty bad too. Oh, for sure. For sure. Well, the first one was so perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So Marty, we've come to the last clip. Yes. The main event, if you will. Maybe. I don't know. I think the main event is the opening just the revelation that Rowdy Piper was on Info Wars, which is such a bummer. I know. It's such a bummer all around,

but it happens over and over again. Like Gore Vidal was on Info Wars. You know, like I said, Henry Rollins was on not so much of a disappointment to any of us that Billy Corgan's been on a bunch of times or surprise. And Jesse Ventura, not really a disappointment because whenever he comes on, he argues with Alex and tells me stupid. I like Jesse a lot. Yeah. Cause he's always like, Alex, you make no sense. That sort of shit, which is great. I like when when Jesse's on and Alex will throw some at him and he'll just completely be like, nah, nah, that's not a thing. Alex, here's why you're wrong. I don't, I don't do great impressions. No. But also I've noticed, like if you, if you listen carefully to a lot of the like Piper, yeah, there's a number of like

sounds that he makes that are very Ventura. Yeah. Like the two of them have some similar vocal patterns. Yeah. Anyway, they're all just dudes from Minnesota. He's playing in Canada via Scotland. Probably all of Canada. Is he really from Scotland? Of course. So in this last clip, Caller calls in to ask about aliens. Okay. And, uh, Roddy Roddy Piper has an interesting response. Real fast callers. You got quick questions. Ryan in Missouri are on the air. Go ahead. Hey gentlemen, they live, they had the underground tunnel system, underground base system. My question is, um, some people think that Denver international is like some super secret base, base port, whatever you guys want to call it. Well, there's giant underground bases everywhere.

Yeah. So I mean, I guess my question is, do you think it, you know, like the movie, they say it's almost like aliens? Does, I mean, I guess Roddy already answered that, but does he think that, you know, does he put two and two together like that? I know exactly what you're talking about in Denver and that they had a huge portrait, uh, from, uh, like the Holocaust to, uh, chemical weapons and then they took the picture down. So I understand what you're saying. Again, they, they, you need to stand up against they. And I, I, yes, yes. So the, uh, the ads are coming into that tunnel. It's like where the Illuminati have their meetings. Roddy is hooked. He's me 2012. Roddy 2012. Oh, Roddy. This is so disappointing. He watches a lot of videos. It seems like maybe

a lot of YouTube. I just learned how to use the YouTube machines and I'm on there just getting all the information. I'm smoking my medicinal marijuana. All these nice boys are sending me links to watch stuff. I'm very scared of that blue horse. Taking it down. Oh, so it's interesting that I mean, taking the blue horse down. Is that right? Oh, we're going to miss Blucifer. I think, I think it's like the, the time is up or it was supposed to be up. Whatever the lease was. Take it down. Yeah. Well, that's fine. It was a faulty construction to begin with. Murderous horse. But it's maker. Indeed. As you and I know. Yes. Because we did an episode about this. We cracked the case. We've looked deeply into the Denver airport and that mural is a very,

it's very specifically not Nazi in nature. It's a part of a series of murals that lead from a horrible situation into a positive view for the future. The children. And the guy who made the murals has a whole backstory. And all of this you can find by donating to our podcast. You can go to knowledgefight.com clicking support the show and then you get a password to a secret section of knowledgefight.com. It's an underground portal that you can go down there. Right. Where are conspiracy shows? A lot of locker room talk. It's such bullshit, man. It's really disappointing. Like you, for someone who's not a monster, like Rowdy Roddy Python, you hope that they would be the sort of person who wouldn't offer these things up without being prompted. You know, like if he's

on the show and Alex brings it up and he's like, Oh, that's weird. That's kind of different. But for him to be sitting there and then like unprompted be like, there's Nazi things at the Denver airport. Also the Brunswick affair is real. The New World Order is happening. All this stuff. It's like, man, that sucks. Come on, Rod. I mean, he still was, you know, presumably a very decent guy. And it said a lot of like wrestlers, actors, guys who like traveled the world. They're always, I just think people got hit a lot. No, no, no. I'm talking about guys who like traveled the world. These people have traveled the world. They always had these stories about like, I was in an airport and I talked to this weather man from Dallas. He told me we see UFOs all the time. We have these

like weird people who talk to them and they're like, and I thought the same thing. I thought, this guy's crazy. But the more I talked to him, the more I knew, this guy knows what he's talking about. Right. Well, I mean, like we're coming back from Austin. I sat next to a lady on the plane. It was a sweet lady. I can't remember her name. I feel bad about that because we had a very nice conversation through most of the flight. Like it was only like a 40 minute flight to Houston or whatever. Catch the connecting flight. But we had a really nice conversation about how her brother is into a bunch of conspiracy stuff and they have bonfires where he does some like, there's some sort of like, you know, maybe a little druidic acting out and stuff like that.

And I could fool. But I could pivot that into some sort of a like, I met someone who's going to a pagan ritual in Houston or something like that. If I wanted to, that's what all of these conversations that you hear are. They are misrepresentations. We've covered it repeatedly with Alex. Like he's in a hot tub with a globalist or something like that. It was on a plane with a globalist. I don't know exactly what episode you're talking about where you're just like, God, I wish I was like sitting next to Alex on a plane. I would just fuck with him so bad. But it happens all the time. He has all these and they all have those stories of like, because I met a dude, you know, that's like you're like fucking like Stan Hope or whatever.

Like, I don't know. Now one time I met this dude and he told me, okay, dude, sure. I don't believe you. You know, not you. You were doing cocaine with another person. Of course you guys were telling weird stories. You were fucked up. I don't believe that anybody who we might like, like a Stan Hope or something like that is in an airport and not severely fucked up. Sure. And also a magnet for other fucked up people, just like Alex was in that video with that weird kid coming up to him being like, Hey, I own info wars records. It doesn't exist in a vacuum. You attract your own kind to some extent. And if you are someone who's just like maybe a little bit weird having a conversation with someone like Alex, maybe you want to impress him a little

bit and you start to lie about your credentials. There's so many possibilities because then it's the whole like, well, I heard from this guy. Well, why don't I just say it's I know this. Instead of I heard from my dentist who put this guy under who was a CIA agent and as he got a little loopy, he's like, you know, there's aliens everywhere, right? I'll just say I knew. I taught this guy. I'm going to cut the middle man. I'm going to not mention he was on the gas. It gives me a little more glory in this story. Well, I mean, we've 100% even traced this down. Like, Alex talks about like having firsthand knowledge that there are fish people in tanks with sad human faces and stuff like that. And he's getting it from this guy named Steve Quayle,

who heard it from somebody else. So it's a third hand story to Alex, even second hand to Steve Quayle. First hand, who knows who that person is, someone who Steve Quayle ran into in an airport or whatever. You don't think Alex gets a little fucked up sometimes? He's like, I'll tell you, Billy told me we got off the air about fucking out. I bet that happens all the time. Billy fucked a lizard. He's fucking Alex is a drunk. Yeah, of course, that happens all the time, I'm sure. And from what I've heard, hey, come on, he's, he's a fucking Joe Rogan's lovable little friend. Yep. From what I've heard too, from people who have like spent time with him or run into him at bars and stuff, he see like Alex is maybe less now, but in historically has been someone who

is really into people like being approving of him. And so like he would tell like a lot of fish stories at bars and stuff like that. I've talked to a number of people who have been a party of fish stories. You think Alex holds court? Yeah, yeah, exactly. But wow, everyone is like, we know, like everyone's rolling their eyes and he's telling like, no, no, no, no, no. Guys, we're having a good time here. Everybody around. Party, it's been so fun. Hey man, I'm sorry to ruin or slightly tweak your version of Rowdy, Rowdy Piper. I have learned a long time ago, whether it's your Hulk Hogan's, your Ric Flair's, your Steve Austin's or Stuff Stone Cold Stone in the past that I'm not proud of. These hit ladies. I take them, these are not

people to be put on a pedestal. They're regular people. They're very talented at their job. You're able to separate art from artists. I can separate art from artists. I can, God, I can still watch Chris Benoit wrestle and go, man, I was a great wrestler, but he was a monster in real life. You kind of have to, to some extent. I don't know where the line is necessarily, but there is a line. There's a line. I think, man, I think if there's a line, Ben was past it. I don't know. Just recently I watched something he was in. You know what, if he'd murdered his family before he was so great, then you could never enjoy how great he was. But because you already had watched it and you had all of those feelings, you're never going

to be able to get rid of those feelings. I don't know if that helps. You bring your baggage to the table. The wrestling business is a business where it's a lot of trickery and fakery and let them know only what you want them to know and stuff like that. So you watch a lot of it and you're just like, are you here a lot of these guys? Like you were saying with Alex, well, if he says this, then that's going to contradict that. You've shared these old wrestlers and they're like, well, here's what happened with that. And they're like, well, you've been saying this for 20 years. That's the, that's the cafe. It's like, well, here's the real story. And it's also a business where people

are destroyed, you know, like just by virtue of doing the job. So like, so Roddy Piper, the performer, love them. Roddy Piper, the actor and they live. Right. Or the Jesse Ventura ABC pilot tag team available on YouTube where they are pro wrestlers and undercover cops. I think he did, I think he did drop a reference to it at some point in this interview. Fantastic. Because he does, I didn't know that him and Jesse Ventura would have ever actually been a tag team in, in wrestling, but he does say he and I did tag team. And I was like, does the timeline work with that? I'm not sure it does. It's a fantastic pilot. Also, BodySlam is a great movie. Sure. So, you know, he's done some great work.

Unfortunately, he's also kind of stupid. And that sucks, but you know, you can't expect everyone to be wonderful. And it doesn't seem like he's a bigot. Like for everything, that's when we, a couple hours ago when we were talking, I was like, he seems stupid, but in the world he's in, the info wars pool that he's in, it makes him not seem as bad. He doesn't seem like he hates people. He doesn't seem like that's a win. If you come out of info wars, like looking like you're not a monster then. And, you know, not this, not an educated man. Sure. They started wrestling at like, what, 14? Yeah. No, no high school, no college. Yeah. You know, prime, prime for Alex to, you know, woo him with his knowledge of

white male of a certain age, not educated. Right. He's a forebanger. Like all the owner of info wars records. Oh boy. That guy, he's a spider man. Hell yeah. You know that? He's a six street spider man. No, I didn't know that. He mentions that at the bar with Alex. He's like, I'm the spider man on six street. That's a guy dresses up like spider man on six street. Has a Quizno sign, flips it around. Man, when we were down in Austin, I'd been to six street before, like I'd partied with some like college friends. Like, you know, six street gets shut down at a certain point on the weekends. And there's his horse cops, get a little rowdy everywhere. Get a little rowdy. It's awesome. But like, I hadn't been in years. And when we were down there,

it was actually really depressing because we had our show that started at like, I think we started at 10 or whatever, maybe nine. And so we went down there early. We're on six street at like seven, grabbing a bite. And like, there were people really drunk. I was in New Orleans. I was in New Orleans. I understand. So I see that bourbon street. I'm just like, wow, this is I, I, I think like being day drunk is awesome. It's fun. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I'm not judging. Yeah. But like when you're out on the party street and you're fucked up at like suns out five, six, seven. I don't know how some of these people over WrestleMania weekend or week, whatever, didn't die. We're just like drinking all day all night. No, we drank to late in the

morning. I'm just like, Jesus Christ, just take a little, do a little cocaine, pick it back up, go see some guys, throw some grabs. I guess you, you make it back. You know, you get excited. The adrenaline comes in to get a little more cocaine, keep on with the cocaine, make it through the whole weekend. That's probably how I got sleepy. I mean, cocaine. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's a magic drug. Yeah. Basically what I want to get to at the end of this is cocaine is wonderful. I guess. No, that's not what I want to get to. I want to say again, Marty, thank you. Thank you. It's been delight. People should check out your show, Marty and Sarah love wrestling. Yes, sir. I had Marty and Sarah love wrestling.com. Yep. Also, all sorts of like one of the things I want

to give you two very sincere compliments. Okay. One is that you guys are so good at social media. Thank you. You're amazing. And I had a hunch. Yeah. But at the same time, you guys do a great job with that. And then secondarily, the reason I wanted to give you that compliment is I'm the worst at it. I'm trying. I want to get better. Okay. It's just a disaster. But the other thing is you guys do so many awesome things for your listeners who are in need. Yes, you do so many like help boost people's kick starters and stuff like that. Fund me for medical bills and stuff like that. And I think that is so fucking cool. I think you are and Sarah are both hilarious, awesome performers and creative types. But it's so cool that you make a priority to

be such humans like that. Absolutely. I think that maybe you don't get enough compliments for that. That's very nice. And I imagine that's also all Sarah. No, that's all me. All right. Fuck these people and their problems. No, Sarah, we got to help these people. But it's so cool. That's awesome. I appreciate that. Thank you. I think it's wonderful that when people have the ability to do that, they funnel energy into that because a lot of people don't think of that. And it's that, you know, it's they with the whole like, Oh, it's better to give them to receive. No, it is actually nice to like do nice things for people. Yeah. So what else? You do stand up? What else? Nami.org if you need to talk to somebody if you're not feeling

Is that a sponsor? No, but I always like to put that out there right now. Okay. Everything in the world being all weird. What is that? Nami. That's where you can get a therapist. No one can spell that. Nami.org. Okay. Nami.org. Okay. Like I would have gone. I thought it would be NAH. No, Nami. N-H-M-E. Nami.org. Okay. Live PD if you want a fun TV show. Toy Galaxy if you like stuff from the A.A. keep saying Toy Galaxy. Rhett and Link if you like bad stuff. Rhett and Link if you want to start your day shitty. No. Get him. I don't know, man. Go see the Menzingers in November in Chicago. A-A-W wrestling. A-A-W is my home promotion. Do you have some commentary for them? I'll be on the Chris Jericho cruise. That's right. You and Colt and Sarah. I thought you guys were doing a podcast

on there. Colt and I are doing a professional wrestling. That's right. Okay. Sorry. Oh, we'll be at All In if you guys are going to All In. Seriously? Yeah. We'll be at All In. I'm All In, baby. We'll be at All In. Did they post a picture of you two? They certainly did. We are All In. We'll be there all weekend. There was one show where Alex kept saying that he's All In against the globalist, but he kept saying, I'm All In. It's someone on our Facebook group. We've taken it over. Yeah. I'm All In too. They did a photo shop of Alex with his shirt off. And let me say thank you for all the content that you and Jordan have provided. It's our delight and our pleasure. As always. So if anyone wants more of our show, you can check out KnowledgeFight.com. We're on

Twitter at Knowledge Underscore Fight. We're on Facebook. Yep. I am a patron. I appreciate that. Thank you. Proud patron. Let me get you a button. Hell yeah. If you'd like to support the show, you can go to KnowledgeFight.com. Click support the show. We'd appreciate it. I feel very depressed because the donations have slowed to a halt. It happens. If anyone wants to make me feel better, please feel free to click that button. But beyond that, more importantly, Marty, we've come to the end of this episode. Yes. And as is tradition, someone needs to be told to go fuck themselves. And the guest when Jordan's not here is the person who's gutted side. And it's tough because Alex Jones, if you say that, that's very hacky.

Yeah. But at the same time, if you say Roddy Roddy Piper, that feels really shitty. So you've got to choose someone else. And I don't think you want to say Sean Stone because you don't know anything about that guy. Sean Stone's life. How about the guy that's got to be someone else we've talked about, I guess. Thankfully, we've gone on so many. We have gone on. Someone we've talked about. Um, I'm going to say, let's see, who can go fuck. You just you almost said that guy. You almost said that guy. You know what? I mentioned, I mentioned Kevin Nash. Did you? I mentioned Kevin Ash being a cool heel. No, I don't think you did. I did. No, you just wrote it in your notes. You can go fuck off now. Oh, Vince Russo. He can go fuck

himself. You have to say it as a complete sentence. Vince Russo. Fuck off. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.