Knowledge Fight - #179: July 10, 2018

Episode Date: July 11, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about how bored he is about Alex Jones in the modern day. In order to deal with Alex's stupid takes on the news of the day, the gents go off on a lot of sidetracks, a couple tangents, and a little talk about Scatman John. 

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that like to sit around,

drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. What up? Dan? Hey, welcome back. Dan, if you were a prospective Supreme Court justice nominee, and you're...

Talk about Andrew Neapolitanum. I was thinking of him. I was actually thinking of Judge Jeanine. Judge Jeanine Pirro. Yeah. And Wopner. And everything that you thought ever was wrong. And like from the moment you were born to the present day,

you are the dumbest motherfucking pile of garbage in the history of the world, right? But you needed a podcast to bring you back to the correct form of thinking. Dan, what podcast would you recommend? And follow-up question, how would you describe it? I would say perhaps you should listen to Improv for Humans, starring Matt Bessert.

It's not a bad one. I think it'll kill some time with guys just fucking around. Very funny show with some good musical guests. See, there we go. Secondarily, maybe I would say listen to Knowledge Fight. That's our show where I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I don't know anything about Alex Jones. Oh man, glad to have you back.

I was listening back to the episode that I did with Marty DeRosa. First of all. Great episode. For sure. Thanks for filling in, Marty. You're a delight. There's nothing wrong with hanging out with him

and having some fun talking about how maybe dumb Roddy Roddy Piper is, was. I was going over it and there were a bunch of times that there were, you know, it's just because Marty doesn't know as much about this world, there are parts where there's like something funny that you and I would have screamed about and they just didn't get to scream.

Like when he had his caller who was like, I married into the, they live family. That's right. If we, if we'd heard that clip would have been outrageous. What? What? But so this is, this is my long way of saying, I'm glad you're back. Marty's, Marty's so much happier.

He is. Then, then either of us. So you got to give him that. Yeah, absolutely. I think those, I don't think there's a one to one there, but their correlation definitely suggests that there's something. He doesn't see fit to subject himself to this bullshit.

So constantly to the point where you're inundated with it and now have created a guard where things are funny. Oh yeah. I guess. Or, or, or infuriating or simultaneously both. Dismal. Yeah. So today, Jordan, what I wanted to do is I wanted to,

I didn't know what I wanted to do, to be honest, like in terms of an episode. Sweary, Carrie, Cassidy hasn't put out any new work. So there's nothing really to talk about on the project came a lot front. Right. So I thought that it was to, you know, I feel like we do have an obligation to talk

about present day stuff. And so I wanted to cover present day stuff. Yeah. But I got sidetracked listening to Monday's episode. I got, I went down two roads that were on Sunday. He put out Alex Jones, put out a special report where he responded to Joe Rogan responding to him. And I was just like, oh okay, good.

I'm glad that your reaction is exactly the same as mine. Guys just kiss already. Stop it. Stop this. What are you feuding? How old are you people? I think Joe Rogan's trying to escape from the back and forth of it,

but Alex doesn't want to, because he knows that Joe Rogan's much more popular. He can go fuck himself. They can both go fuck themselves. I agree, I agree. I think that this is an alien predator situation. No matter who wins in this argument, we all lose. Humanity loses.

And so I listened to that and I was just like, I was overwhelmed by how little I care. Yeah. And so I was just like, we can't go over this. This is useless. And so then I was looking around. I saw that Monday's episode, he had a guest on called Yo Mama's Chest Hair.

That sounds promising. It sounds amazing. It sounds incredible. And so I listened and I was like, oh, this is just like a Hispanic blogger who likes Trump. This isn't good. I thought it was gonna be something crazy. Yeah.

She's just taken her name from Line and Mean Girls, which I think might be an indication that she missed the point of that movie. Ooh, that's wrong. That's just bad. You're just bad at that. I'm not even mad at the whole Trump thing. Let's start with Mean Girls, lady.

We gotta get to the beginning of this. I think, quite honestly, if you're naming yourself after a Mean Girls character, or something that's said in Mean Girls and you're a Trump supporter, you need to think about things a little bit. You need to reconsider the messages that movies are trying to get through.

Yeah. That's the holocaust denialism of reviewing Mean Girls. That's what that is. That's rewriting the Civil War to make Mean Girls. It was actually about female empowerment. Mean Girls was about tariffs. Yeah. That's what I understand.

So I... Too bad Lincoln had to die at the end. Absolutely. There's not much about Monday that's worth a damn, or worth us talking about. Go to the hall. You sound like Garfield. Oh, man, I hate Mondays.

So this would be Monday the 9th of July. And I just have two clips that I'm gonna play from this episode because these are fucking, like these are really scary things. So Alex has a guest on named Stan Dayo, who's a guy who I guess he has on a lot. I've heard his name before. He's supposed to be on to talk about the volcanoes in Hawaii

and how the ring of fire is about to explode. I don't think he's an actual volcanologist because every time Alex has talked to a real one, they've told him, hey, calm down. So this guy seems more like a Christian fundamentalist. Right. He could be volcanologist too, man. Not really.

They can be. It's a tough combo. It's the red dragon. It's a tough combo. The seventh seal will open and then Hawaii explodes. That's just science. He talks about how him and his family pray for Trump twice a day and stuff.

Okay. Well, then he's not a real volcanologist. No. And then he says this, which leads me to believe that this guy is a grade A number one piece of shit. That's the, the Juan de Fuca plate. And it is like 55 years now overdue for a massive nine point plus earthquake, creating tidal waves and a lot of damage on the shore. So yes, it is overdue.

And we, we need to be conscious of that. I gotta tell you, California is kind of their vote. I wouldn't mind losing their, their political votes at the moment. If earthquakes happen and break it up into islands, like you say, that'll be so busy surviving that they won't be able to influence the election so much the way they have been.

Awesome. Not to tell Hollywood. It is funny though that it's the big anti-American state now. And it's the one even mainline geologists say Sure, sure. Yeah, as well do movies like escape from LA. That's exactly, that's what they're fucking, they say, do you realize we live in the plot

of escape from LA right now? We live in like the, it's so close. It's so close. If California breaks off, we will have a fundamentalist Christian lunatic running. I mean, he doesn't believe it, but a collection of them running the fucking country. They're going to turn it into a fucking nightmare.

You clearly, I'm going to have to remove one of your eyes because you're snake Plisken all over the place. Oh yeah, there's no doubt. That's, the hair, the beard, you've got this covered, Dan. We need you to get to LA. And I don't mind you taking out one of my eyes because they're cross. Which one?

Take your pick. Look, I would say that my bigger point is that Stan Dayo is a pile of shit for wishing a nine point earthquake to hit California in order to get them to stop voting because it'll be too busy surviving. Too busy surviving. Now you hear Alex come in right after that. He doesn't rebuke that.

He says, isn't it funny? Isn't that funny that the state that's the most our enemy is the one that they say- Anti-American. Right? Well, you know what he's saying. Yep. A lot of minorities there.

A lot of very nice melting pot going on. Yep. But like the thing that I really want to drive home, and this is the most important thing, is that this is on the same show that constantly talks about how shitty it is that Rob Reiner wants to punch Trump or something like that.

That's the worst. He's talking about the media creating these images of violence against their enemies. He's having a guy on who says that he wants a nine point earthquake to hit California because he doesn't like how they vote. That's a huge scale version of Robert De Niro or Rob Reiner saying they don't like Trump

or some shit like that. Alex doesn't rebuke it, which is what he is responsible to do in this situation if he wants any intellectual credibility. What he's saying, he wants a rock movie to happen to only his political enemies. Oh man, and you know like the level of death that would happen if a nine point earthquake hit

in California. It would be in the millions. No, probably not. But high five figures probably, I would say. Probably in the five figures. I don't know, a nine point. Well, also that's another reason- Depends on where it hit.

Another reason he is not a real volcanologist. People do not use the Richter scale seriously anymore. Yeah, they do. Not actual scientists. I don't know any volcanologists. See, there you go. I can't help you with that. All right.

But you know, nine point five is the highest that's ever been rated. Right. That was like in 1966, I think. Here's how bad that is to me. I advocate violence. Which we've got to get you to stop. We maybe.

I do, but it's targeted at people who are causing the problem. In the same way- Stamp Dayo believes that all these people who vote Democrat, they're all causing the problem. No, it's all of them. It's just everybody. You get rid of California's liberal leaning

and then the whole country changes, baby. That's such the way they fucking think, though. It's such the way that they fucking- But I mean, you take the inhumanity out of it and it's accurate. I mean, like- They would be too busy. I think we would at least call, delay the vote

if we were still trying to repair. It's not like California would be left on its own to fix it. The entire country would also, one, economically shut down. It would be a disaster. Our economy would go away. Lot of ports. Yeah, California is what?

By itself, the fifth largest economy in the world or something like that? Something like that. I don't remember the number, but that's close. Yeah, I don't know. If anything bad happens to California, Stamp Dayo, you don't get to eat. So go fuck yourself.

Oh yeah, there's a whole lot of food out there. Yeah. So that guy sucks a lot. That guy sucks a lot. He is a disaster. And Alex loves him. And also, I forgot to mention this, he has just gone and found The Garden of Eden,

which Alex is gonna have him back on to discuss. So he's a biblical literalist also. Is Swerry Carey gonna be there as well? If we're in Garden of Eden territory, we might as well fucking roll the dice on that. So I've mentioned a couple of times that I'm doing a very large scale project that I can't really get into all the details of.

But I will tell you that it involves doing a lot of research on some of the individuals involved with Alex Jones and his world. And I just recently did a deep dive on Dr. Group. Oh no. And I found that he is a member of a group called the Society for Scientific Exploration, which it... I don't like them using the word scientific.

Oh, it's not. There's a lot of Sasquatch, there's a lot of UFOs. If you're a fake doctor, you can't have scientific anywhere near your name. He's a real doctor, but doctor of chiropractic. No, that's true. But that's also a fake doctor, isn't it? No doubt.

But the reason I bring this up is they have a journal that they put out, the Scientific Exploration Society, right? They have a journal and I found their archives and I've read a bunch of them. Dear science, we hope to find you someday. They're so amazing, because they're like these scholarly written articles

that make crazy leaps of logic that are like, this would not work in undergraduate classes. This, it's written with the form of a scholarly peer-reviewed paper, like it has an abstract up top, grab the format down, everything. But then you read it and you're like, hold on, what the fuck are you talking about?

Because there's like telepathy, Sasquatch. Okay, okay, hold on. Telekinesis, it gets really fun to read. So it looks like there's a peer-reviewed paper about the magic in the Harry Potter universe being real. Absolutely, I read an article recently about how you can use runes and five different poets' works

to discern the identity of William Shakespeare. Oh, I thought you could use them to enhance your sword in The Witcher 3. That is forthcoming in the journal. So the reason I bring this up is it's another important parallel between Swerry Carey, Project Camelot, and Alex Jones in his world.

You know who's one of the associate editors of the Society of Scientific Exploration? Oh my God. Remote Viewer Extraordinaire, Courtney Brown. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So they're all con men. Absolutely. Or insane.

These guys are insane. I don't know, I think they are trying to con some shit, too. Oh, also that's another thing I found out was that the Farsight Institute that Courtney Brown runs is simultaneously not for profit and for profit. He has a slightly different name for the Incorporated For-Profit Organization. You can't do that.

It clearly just funnels a bunch of stuff to the for profit. You can't do that. Or hides it in the non-profit. Isn't that illegal? I think it might. That has to be illegal. I don't know. You can't have a business that's like,

eh, you know, a little bit of this, a little bit of that. No big deal. Non-profit. I think you can to some extent. Like, I think there are ways you can do that. But when your whole thing is about like, I'm going to trick people into thinking I was in Hitler's mind and I can tell you what he thought in his last moments,

that I think you're probably up to some shit. No, no, no, no. The oversight is a for-profit business. You're talking about oversight, which is the non-for-profit. Everybody knows the difference between that. That happens all the time. So we have a concrete connection in Dr. Group

being a member of the same organization that Courtney Brown is one of the associate editors of the Journal of, which is an interesting one-to-one parallel between them. And then we have this stand-out dickhole who's also is making a documentary or writing a book about finding the Garden of Eden. So we have another like that guy belongs on Project Camelot. He needs a 9.5 Earthquake up his ass.

Yeah, you said it. Let's get him. So then on Monday, the only other clip, I think this is very scary. Alex Jones, he has this guy named Dan Lyman on. Before you say it. I didn't say anything. He is not.

I didn't say anything. He is not a 7-up. No, Sprite, who was it? Dan Lyman? Their advertisements were the delicious taste of Lyman. Oh. Lyman Lyme? I don't remember.

I think Ernest was in them. Nicky Gifts, my old roommate used to say that delicious taste of Lyman all the time. Ernest P. Warrell? That's the one. All right. You'd always say, hey, Vern. Yeah.

Get some Lyman. You know what I mean, Vern? No, I mean. So Dan Lyman is the European editor of Info Wars, the website. So I don't know why. They're allowed in Europe? I don't know why it couldn't just be Paul Joseph Watson or his fake brother, Steve, who are already over there.

That's right. I forgot about Steve P.J. Watson. Yeah. It could be him. He's already in Europe. And now you've got Dan Lyman, who's the European editor. He's not in. P.J. isn't in mainland Europe, though.

I assume this guy is in mainland. He's on the aisle. No, I don't think so. Actually, I think he's in Scandinavia. But be that as it may. That's still Europe. I don't give a shit where he is or anything, because he seems like a little bit of a crazy dude.

And here is Alex saying some real fucked up stuff about what he thinks Western culture really is. And then Dan Lyman saying some other really scary shit about Europe. Great. Exactly. I know why there's such a cultural, historic memory in Eastern Europe.

That's over 100 Islamic invasions took place. And then after that, the Nazis came in and the Russians came in. They've been through so many invasions. They're in the whole crossroads of the world that they know and they understand what's happened before. They understand that the whole ethos of their nations was defeating the Islamic invasions.

When I was in college, they taught that we invaded in the Crusades. And Hollywood movies show that. Ridley Scott makes these movies. No, they invaded us for 300 years before we turned the tide when they almost took Germany and Poland and then had to do La Rican, Quista, and Spain everywhere. We didn't invade the Muslims.

And so that's just the reality. They landed on Plymouth Rock. Absolutely. And that's really the importance of getting these people in power, like Victor Orban, Matteo Salvini. They will invoke the true history once they have the platform and they have the support of the people. And then at that point, I think it'd be a lot harder

to get them out for the EU folks. And as we keep installing more and more of them in Austria now, we have a great government there in Austria. They do have the work cut out for them, but they're there. So now they have the support of the people. The movement continues to grow. You have Salvini saying he's calling for a league of leagues. He's going to start binding all these movements together.

He wants to kind of be the figurehead of that. It's going to create a huge problem for Brussels. I think it's starting to basically fracture the entire political spectrum in Europe. I unfortunately agree with that lesson. Yep. It is doing a real number on the political unity of Europe. Also, I would question why anybody

would want to make themselves the figurehead of a league of leagues of nationalist countries. Well, you've got to be. You want to have sovereignty? Seems like internationalism sneaking its little head in. You get sovereignty. Also, a little bit at another point, this Dan Lyman starts talking about how even in Sweden,

the Sweden Democrats are starting to make some inroads. And I'd just like to read you here this little piece. The Sweden Democrats have, among all Swedish parliamentary parties, had the largest share of elected municipal representatives resigned since the 2010 elections, 27.8%. Many of these resignations were brought on by racist statements or actions by these representatives. In November 2012, party spokesman Eric Olmquist resigned

after he'd been caught on tape making racist and sexist statements. Another video later surfaced showing how Olmquist, in addition to party spokesman Kent Erklith and party official Christian Westling, were among themselves, were arming themselves with aluminum pipes before they sought out a confrontation with Soran Ismail, a Swedish comedian of Kurdish descent.

I wonder why they didn't like him. There are so many more examples of this too. In March 2013, 12 individuals were thrown out of the party for their involvement in neo-Nazi and other extremist movements. It's just crazy. Sweden Democrats, from their beginning, the party has its roots in Swedish fascism

and was part of the white supremacy neo-Nazi movement through the early 1990s. So you get the sense of what they're talking about. Alex is saying, in that clip, that the foundation of Western identity in these European countries is the repulsion of Muslims. That's what gives them their cultural identity. That's a fucking-

They've been invaded so many times. That's a fucking scary thing to think. No, here's what I think immediately upon listening to this is when you look back at the history of the United States around what, 1937 through 1941, where you see people actively saying like, no, Hitler's gonna be great. He's not gonna be great,

but he's not gonna be that bad. And a lot of people. And you look back at that as a shameful part of American history. I look at the other countries now not invading us as a shameful part of their history. Like in all honesty, because what else was that little rant but them saying that all of European history

has been white people, all of it, and they have been invaded by brown people. You nailed it. And finally, for the first time, we're telling the true history, which is that white people are all Europe and everybody who is not white is invading. They're aggressors.

Now, everybody who lives there now, because guess what, how do you feel about the government in Austria right now, Dan? I'll tell you. I'll tell you how you feel about it. They want all white people. Love it. That's what they literally, that's their stated goal.

Like we are fighting literal Nazis. I don't understand. I don't, I don't, like shouldn't we, we know what they're doing. We know what they're going to do. We can, we can skip to the end. Yeah, can't we skip to the end where we have to kill them all?

Like, can't we just skip to the end? I just want to skip past this part where everybody pretends it's not happening and everybody is acting like, no, something will save us. Like, skip to the end, we're already in a civil war. Let's just fucking do it. Let's get it over with, snap, snap.

Yeah, you're sounding like Alex. We're already in a civil war. We are, we, they are. We're the ones who are living in a civil existence. They're the ones who are fighting a war and they've been winning for the past 15 years. It's insane. It's fucking insane.

It's pretty, it's pretty wild. It's insane. Sure. Can't we, I just, I just don't want to be doing this anymore. I just don't want to be a comment influence on you. I just don't want to do this shit anymore. It is a little insufferable and that's kind of why I like the past more.

Yeah. I almost wanted to just do the Henry Rollins interview when he accidentally was on Info Wars. That was a wild time. We'll do that soon. That'd have been fun. You know, we have a responsibility. There's a lot going on in the world now

and I think we do have a responsibility to check in with the modern times. So we see on Monday, Stan Dayo being a wild piece of shit. We see Dan Lyman and Alex commiserating and celebrating the idea of fascist movements. Both of them wearing KKK hoods at the time. They might as well.

Yeah. Politically they were. Nah, yeah. Spiritually wearing hoods. Yeah. So now we're going to talk about Tuesday the 10th of July. Yes. We'll talk to you about where I was like,

I can't do this anymore. I can't do it anymore. But it was like, I don't want to do this. Like I don't, it's stupid. We can hit the main topics without like, I think I probably turned it off like an hour in. I was just like, because like this stuff,

we're going to listen to clips and all that, but like a lot of the stuff that I didn't cut out. I think I texted you about this. So much of it is just like, we talked about this before. Yeah. Alex isn't saying anything. It's just blustery nonsense.

Right. About how great he is and all this. Yeah. I'm changing the world. All this sort of narcissistic weird talk. And so we'll start as Alex starts his show on July 10th. You would think that he would start by talking about the Supreme Court.

It seems like the obvious thing to talk about. Like you talk about Brett Kavanaugh being, being nominated for the Supreme Court, right? But you're wrong. Or maybe he would talk about the fact that he interrupted the Bachelorette and it really screwed up his DVR. Fuckin' Libs.

It screwed up his DVR. He was watching the Bachelorette. It turns out that because of that interruption, the last 10 minutes were cut off of his recording. That's intentional. And there you go. Now he doesn't even know who went home. That's culture war, man.

He does know that that guy is a virgin. That's culture war on the Libs. Because they all love that show. On the Libs. That he doesn't start with any of that stuff. But what he does start with is exactly in line with what his principles are. There's almost no coverage of this,

even though it came out an hour ago in the Chicago Tribune, Trump pardons ranchers the Hammons in case it inspired 2016 occupation of National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. Amazing. Trump's also set to go to England where the Islamists' mayor city,

Khan, has openly been calling for Trump to be blocked from the country. Simply, simply amazing. So that is how he starts. Which, as I said, very in line with his principles. Yeah, pretty much. Glad you could find a rag there. Jordan just opened a beer and it exploded

all over my table. It exploded all over your table. Make sure you know what we might need. Paper towels. Yeah, we're probably gonna need to do that. Edit this part out. So the Hammons. Have been pardoned.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. Yep. You know what's fun? We always talk about how it is terrible to think of jailing your political enemies. Like when everybody was screaming, lock her up.

It's usually unhealthy as an impulse. Yeah, as a country. That seems like that's a road to fascism, right? Right. I'm gonna go with, so is pardoning people convicted of crimes that they did? Well, that's gobbledygook. And you are a dumb libtard.

I would like... But it's the same thing. It's just in the opposite direction. You're so stupid. It's just, no, but it's the same thing. Like it's the... No, you're, no, you're... No, because then you just...

You need to stop your Maoist claptrap. I don't understand how... That's the opposite of Maoist. This is creeping socialism and you know it. But that doesn't make sense. You shut your goddamn mouth. I'm talking about him. Alex is going to inform you.

Oh, no. About what the Hammons did and what the reality of the situation is. And then you can shut the fuck up and say this was great. Trump is a hero. He is just going to list off the crimes that they committed

and then say that they shouldn't really have been crimes, right? Meh. There's a thing called controlled burns. And everybody does it. Great start. Great start. Upstate New York to Georgia, to Florida,

to New Mexico, to Texas, to Illinois, to... Try the pros. The only names are... And the Forest Service under Obama started saying, you got to get permits for those and then they wouldn't issue them. Real quick, his trouble, the Hammons' trouble with the law predates Obama.

Just for fun. Yeah. And so these brothers did some controlled burns right on their property line. Also just for fun. They aren't brothers. They aren't brothers. As a fire break because the...

The brothers are not. The Forest Service is famous for not clearing that out now and then there's a fire. It builds up super heat and comes onto your land. And a little bit of it, like a half acre or something, in the control burn, burns some forest bottom. No. It wasn't a half acre.

Oh, it's just a little bit of it was a crash. And they put them in prison for it and called it arson. It was. So anybody that's lived in Texas, you know, every year after the summer's over, the Mexicans burn their fields, put nitrogen back into it. It's what every culture's done for thousands of years.

And there's a lot of smoke in the sky. Sometimes it makes your cough. Sometimes, you know, it makes the sunsets incredibly beautiful. Are we going to arrest all the Mexicans for doing it? It's what you do. I think we are. Case closed. I think we're pretty much on the way there.

Case fucking closed, man. These Hammons are great people. They just burn a little bit accidentally. That is... Who cares? That is the... It's a controlled burn, my friend. That is the greatest yada, yada, yada I've ever heard.

Look, man. All right. So they committed a little bit of a crime, but it was like, is it what Mexicans do it? Everybody does this. There's a difference between what they do. And as you know, I approve of Mexican behavior and use it to justify my own behavior all the time.

Interesting. I always side with the big people who... Okay. There is a... I mean, like people do burn their crops and stuff like that. That is a pretty standard thing that a lot of people do, but that's different. It's all online.

It's not on federal land, is it? And they do it with licenses and stuff, but... Oh, they get permission? Well, we'll get to how right Alex is. I'm being opposite guy today. Nice. Nice. We'll get to the reality of the Hammons.

You're your own Dan Lyman. We'll get to the reality of the Hammons situation here in a second. But first, Alex has this stupid, stupid fucking thing. And because a small amount of land burned, a little bit of grass and undercover foliage under the trees, they were sentenced to a long prison sentence, sparking the outrage and the standoff that then developed.

They weren't really all that thrilled with that. I think it's a very, very good move. You could argue that a pardon of the Bundys would only spark more people to have armed confrontations. You could argue that. You could not argue that this was a very good pardon. You can't argue that this was a very good pardon. No, argue that this is a very good pardon.

These people are obviously political prisoners who have been imprisoned for their strongly held beliefs. They were fighting against an entrenched power, and they were doing it in order to represent the oppressed. And so, for them to be jailed, is just like when Martin Luther King Jr. spent time in jail in Alabama. That is exactly what this is, Dan.

You could never convince me otherwise, no matter what you say next, which I assume is going to be very well researched and thoughtful. So when a person generally wants to do a controlled burn, they can do so. It's something that people can absolutely do, but they need a permit.

Like Martin Luther King Jr. And this is because setting fires is always dangerous, and the potential for widespread damage is always there. Pretty consistently, as was definitely the case, in the Hardy Hammond Fire of 2001, way before Barack Obama was president. Wait, it's called the Hardy Hammond Fire? Because they fucking said it.

Oh, man. The fires followed reports of the Hammond's illegally slaughtering wild game like a deer. So they would create these burns in order to cover up the evidence of them illegally killing animals. Oh my God. This has pretty consistently been the case. Oh my fucking God.

There have been witnesses who have attested to this. We'll get to another specific witness here in a second. Hold on. Quote, this is from the government documents. Quote, on or about August 22nd to 23rd, 2005, Stephen Hammond set fires to brush another flammable material causing fires to burn on public and private land.

As a result of the fires, approximately 1,342 acres of BLM managed land were burned. As a result of the Fur Creek area fires, the US incurred suppression costs and resource damages to BLM land in the total of $188,020. How many acres again? The 1,342 acres. Okay.

So that was in 2005. All right. I'm gonna go with- Also before Barack Obama was in office. I'm gonna go with death penalty. On or about August 22nd, 2006, Stephen Hammond set fire to brush another flammable material causing fires to burn

on public and private land. As a result of the fire, approximately 804 acres of BLM managed land and 68 acres of private land were burned. As a result of the Crumbo Butte fire, the US incurred suppression costs in the amount of $15,677 and resource damages to the BLM in the amount of $30,400. This fire also almost trapped and killed

four BLM firefighters because they were unaware of the fires that had been set and were there trying to work on another fire. Woo, great! Woo! Quote, on or about August 22nd, 2003, 2006, Dwight Hammond and Stephen Hammond set fire to brush another flammable material causing fires

to burn on public and private land. As a result of the fire, approximately 46,523 acres of BLM managed land and 12,344 acres of private land were burned. As a result of the grand dad fire, the US incurred suppression costs in the amount of $479,809 and resource damages to the BLM land in the amount of $586,496.

The NYPD murdered a man for selling a cigarette. And incidentally, throughout all of this, Steve and Dwight kept threatening to kill and frame BLM employees repeatedly. Kill them, I want them dead. I want that now that they're out of jail, we can kill them. Let's burn them, oh my God, we have to burn them alive. No, no, no, no, no.

That's the rule. Jordan, see this. Isn't that science? See, this is where you come in with your extrapolation that is no good, man. You gotta stop threatening to kill people. No, no, no, I'm not threatening to. I'm saying that we get to.

You're not advocating. I'm saying we get to. I'm saying that this is a perfect Twilight Zone opportunity, right? So they commit all of these terrible crimes through the use of arson. Yeah, boy, they've done a lot of that. Then they go to jail and they're like, oh, we're punished,

but surprise twist. They get pardoned by a mental invalid, right? And then they get burned alive. That is Twilight Zone, ironic twist all the way. Right, this is the guy's glasses getting broken. Exactly, at the end, they finally got time now to make more controlled burns and one of them gets burnt alive

and then the other one has to watch it and then we burn him alive on purpose. So the bigger point here is, I think, I mean, whatever you're saying, I mean, that's fun as a TV show. I don't like it in real life, but. I do though. I like it in both.

Actually, I would say the TV version would be a little bit boring. I don't think it's as interesting. I'm more interested in the fact that what this, what this pardon does is just specifically indicate that like. White terrorism is fine. Yeah, yep. There's no other real message behind it

because these dudes have a history of arson. They've been up to shit for 20 fucking years, even more than that, perhaps. Like, their history goes so far back in terms of just not playing by the rules, burning shit to cover up crimes and stuff like that. It just, I get it, you don't want there to be laws, but there are.

I understand that your argument, like Alex's argument hinges mostly on like, sort of, you know, a sovereign citizen, free man on the land beliefs that like, hey, no, this is, you know, anything goes. And sorry, that isn't the case. And it would be a hellscape if it was. I'm surprised he didn't even make the argument

that the problem is that it was illegal for them to hunt in that situation. Cause if it wasn't illegal, they wouldn't have lit those fires. That opens up too much of a can of worms for Alex. He can't admit that even the first step is true. Cause then it becomes a conversation of like, why were they trying to cover it up

if it was legal? That sort of thing. He goes to fight the primary, or not ignore the primary issue, focus on the secondary issue. You know, it's fast. What I, what interests me about this and what's more insidious about it is this is like,

America has a long history of corrupt presidents pardoning people for, you know, political reasons. Regardless, a Democrat. I would even bet that some of the people Obama pardoned, I might not be fine with. For sure. I bet there's some people. Absolutely agree.

The thing that is insidious about this is how petty it is. It's how small this is. This is just random, small, dumb shit to signal, hey guys, open season, open fucking season. You militias, I'm going to ignore you. If it's within my power, I'll probably get you off the hook. But if Antifa shows up and they're wearing a mask,

we got to put them in jail forever. Absolutely. Never going to pardon any of those fuckers. There's, I mean, we already talked about the Malhoor conservation standoff and all the costs that were incurred from that. And the non-monetary costs of like sacred sites that were desecrated and things like that.

Like you can't put a price tag on it. Hey, you just shit on it. Right. There's things like that. And that directly spawned out of the Bundy is trying to stand up for the Hammons. The Hammons had already cut a deal. Like they already had pled down all their arsons and shit.

Which they shouldn't have been allowed to do in the first place. They were going to get like five years with time served or whatever. Like it's not even a big deal, quite frankly in terms of this, but now all that's expunged and they're cool, man. And it's expunged. It's good to go.

It's not even, like that's the worst part about it. It's now it's not even their second or their 45th strike. It's back to number one. Right. They can commit the same fucking crime again. Yeah. And then it's double jeopardy. And then it's, it's, it's bullshit.

It's not double jeopardy. No, it's not double jeopardy. You can't convict me for robbing that bank. You already got me for robbing the other one. Double jeopardy. But I mean, I'd like to just say that like this fire that they set in 2006, the granddad fire, like the cost of it was over a million dollars

in terms of like the US, the suppression costs, and the damages. And I'm sure they had to pay that back. No, I don't think they did. Well, what about the firemen? They almost murdered because that's really what it is. Since it was, it was arson. I think that charge got pled down.

Oh, pardoned. Oh, okay. Okay. Great. Commuted all the sentences. Sweet. Sweet. Sweet.

But the, the issue that I have is even if you want to take away the like a militia shit, you want to take away the, the really fucked up sovereign citizen beliefs that are being emboldened through this sort of thing. I mean, you just got to deal with like the, the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage that they've caused by setting fires over and over again. When they want to cover stuff up or it's more convenient to

them and they don't believe in getting licenses and shit. So like the fact that they just are this capricious and it ends up caught, you know, where that money comes from, that comes from us. Oh, does it? Yeah. Oh, okay. Those suppression costs and the, the, the bureau of land

management resource damages that comes out of tax money. Oh, it does. That's, I'm really concerned about where my tax dollars go. Right. But you understand like these two dudes have specifically caused over a million dollars or way more of damage that we are paying for. I cannot allow my tax dollars to go to something like plan

parenthood that promotes and, and funds abortion and tells people to go get them even when they don't even need them, which I don't even know how you can do that. But I want my tax money, I want my tax money to go towards fixing the mistakes of two dumb fucks in the middle of God damn nowhere. That's where my tax money needs to go, Dan, who don't view it as a mistake.

That's where my tax money needs to go. They don't view it as a mistake. They view it as a cover up. Yeah. Anyway, let's move on. Uh, he's pretty thrilled about this, uh, even they view it as a crime. Yep.

Very much so. They're, even they're like, by covering it up, you're like, oh, yeah, this is totally a crime. And I'll, I know that we're not quite, um, proving that point just to get, wait a little bit later in the episode, I'll make, I'll make all this super clear. Okay. Um, but, uh, for now, uh, Alex is very in support of these

pardons, but he has something he wants to say to the haters. All you Democrats though, that hate Trump and hate America and hate him, full wars.com. Me and hate news wars.com. Me too. Nice plug. Long, just complete fools. So all we're trying to do is go back to what works and what's

successful. Right. I mean, for whites, what do you guys, what do you really need? Any amendments past the 10th one? Like really, frankly, do you need really any amendments past? Second, I would say, I would say maybe like they would be fine with four, right? Yeah.

The, the, cause you're, yeah, the search and seizure is the one I also don't want to like quarter soldiers. I think they do though. I think they want to become the soldiers that are quartered. They want to, is there an amendment against play acting being a soldier? Cause maybe there should be. Let's, uh, call it the, uh, 48th amendment, the, uh, no more

reenactors. I don't mind reenactors cause that has its proper context. I'm worried about like, I mean, it just comes, I don't know. Is stolen valor a crime? I really am bothered by all this feels like it should be, right? Yeah. Because you hear all these stories of everyone who is at these standoffs, they're all pretending to be soldiers and

shit like that. No, I wasn't actually in the shit. And they're, I never actually enlisted. It's the same thing as the, the people who show up on a, a, a project Camelot saying that there's former CIA. It's the same bullshit or Alex pretending that he has family who's been in the FBI CIA. You guys are just, just fucking larping.

Yeah. Go LARP with magic, like normal fucks or Zach, who comes on Alex's show or today, what today, the, uh, this guy, I can't remember his name. He held a press conference about the Seth Rich murder. We're, we're, we're there. Some guy, some guy held a, I think it might be the anniversary or something.

I'm not entirely sure, but he held a press conference where he had a, a whistleblower, uh, that was going to call in, uh, and I was like, man, wait, he held a press conference for a whistleblower who was going to call in. Well, I think that the, uh, the, it initially started with the promise that he was going to come. Like a whistleblower is going to be there with like a mask.

Right. Sure. Sure. 00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:58,180 And then like that, like when the Fox did the, uh, masked magician, showing you how to do the tricks. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, uh, it turned out like now he's just going to call in, um, and the, the, the, the reporting that I saw on it was like, this guy was just like all over the place, not answering any like questions with definitive answers. Like this guy doesn't fucking know anything. Uh, but the funniest part was, uh, he was asked, uh, if he was using a voice altering thing on the phone, he's like, he was like, uh, what does it matter if I, should I be, yeah, I

would have been a smart, like he really wanted, he really wanted to say like, Oh fuck, I should have done that. The reason that triggered in my head is he's another guy who's actually using a one name. I'm like, man, I wonder if it was Zach. I wonder if it was Zach, like trying to get some extra work on the side. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, in the gig economy, it's tough even for the convent. Right. I mean, there's a conspiracy Uber. I'm sure. Yeah.

Do you need, do you need an expert? There's an app for people to, uh, call in. There's a Q and on app. Yeah. We got to start that. God damn it. Why can't we program? Should have studied different things.

We're ideal men, dad. That's our problem. So at this point we're 40 minutes into this episode and, uh, we have not yet heard, uh, anything about the Supreme court. Uh, but here we go. They finally gets Alex finally gets up to it. All right. I'm usually right.

And a lot of insiders thought the cabinet was out because of Rand Paul and because of the Bush connections, but his voting record is actually pretty conservative. Uh, and I, yeah. And Trump knows other people that know him and, uh, he is like justice, Anthony Kennedy for whom his son own well, so probably win a billion dollars. The problem is, and I'm going to get into this right now, the

specific democrats have announced their plan. It hasn't gotten a lot of traction yet. Kennedy chose they've announced their plan to try to block him. And they're going to block everybody because Trump is under investigation. And so therefore it's a conflict of interest. If he puts a supreme court justice in who might then sit over judgment of him. It is. Well, by that extension, he couldn't have the last guy either.

Unfortunately. Exactly. Bingo. Alex. You figured it out. Alex, you accidentally just made a good argument. Yes. Actually, that is what a lot of people would say.

Yes. Nailed it. Now what you were saying there over the clip, I don't know how much of that is like, I don't, I don't know if I buy in too much to a lot of that, that stuff. Like I don't know. I don't, I don't know how concrete a lot of that is. And a lot of that seems like there could be some smoke here or something like

that, but I'm not ready to jump on board and say that there were like back room negotiations and stuff like that. Right. Right. There's some sort of a, I understand that there is a connection in in terms of a billion dollars. Anthony Kennedy's son worked at the bank where Trump owes a lot of money to. And personally loaned him.

Look, I, I, I, no, no, no, no, here's what, here's what I'm not confirming. I'm not saying that it's 100% true. Even if that is true, I see a benign path around the sun part. Right. To me, that isn't evidence necessarily of this being a screw job. Right. That if you jump too far into that, I think that what you're doing is conspiracy theorizing.

I, I agree with you as if that was the only thing. If it was just like, well, his son was part of the bank that loaned him all that money because his son doesn't have soul approval. You know, his, the Kennedy son can't just, yeah, there's a whole thing, right? However, this is something that people have kind of known about for a while. Like the two of them have been in contact pretty regularly. There is a very suspicious circumstance where, and he retires exactly when he retires prior to an election where this is, this is the circumstantial

evidence at this point outweighs my, my skepticism. And even if it's, even if it's not true, it doesn't change anything. Like it doesn't, it doesn't fucking matter. I would argue too that just because someone has business deals with me, that doesn't mean I can get my dad to do something. You know what I mean? Like my dad is a completely separate person from me. Right.

And I would imagine it's the same with Anthony Kennedy and his dad, his son. Like I don't, look, I understand, I understand there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of stuff that smells bad. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff. But the details of it, I believe need to be more concrete than they are now in order for me to be too compelled by it.

I would have loved this two years ago. Yeah. Two years ago, this sort of thing would have been like, oh hell yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is everything. This explains it all. No, no, no, no. I'm not trying to.

We'll be living in such a world now where like disparate details can be made to seem like explanations of much larger puzzles. And I don't, I don't feel comfortable with that until that's, that's another reason why I hate present day stuff. No, no, no, no. And I agree with you. There's so much, like there's, what, watching this episode, even there's so much stuff that I would love to be like, well, this isn't true, but it's like,

well, we'll have to wait a couple of weeks to see what plays out here. Right, right, right. Or it's just like, uh, hey, I don't want to spend, uh, my precious life debunking, um, right-wing memes or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He talks about how like before even Kavanaugh was announced, the libs, the dumb libs, they printed out signs with all the possible names with. Well, yeah, because the federal federalist society gave us a list of

names that we need to stop. Right. I understand that, but like, of course they did. I don't want to spend even two minutes of my life diving into that. Or, you know, like, no, no, no, I see what you're saying. There's so much that is won't be like, we can, we can, we can talk about this a lot more competently in the future. In the present, all we can really say, I think responsibly is like, this looks

bad, I'm trusting that reporters will follow the threads that they can, uh, that we can't. Here is why I, and, and I'm, I'm totally on board with that. Uh, I don't, I'm not going to say it is true. I'm not here is why I'm having fun with it. I'm also not accusing you of that. I'm only doing this because I feel very self-conscious about other people and people who listen to the show going off half-cocked and believing.

Totally, totally get it. Right. Totally get it. Here's why I'm having fun with it because it doesn't matter either way. Right. It doesn't fucking matter. Of course, regardless, regardless of if it's corrupt in this way, it's corrupt in some way.

Everybody, there's no, there's no decision now coming out of this government that is not inherently tinged with corruption. Yeah. Regardless of whether or not it happened in this specific circumstance, this specific way, if you do start digging into it, you're going to find out something else is fucking corrupt. He might as well have nominated Scott Pruitt at this fucking point. It's all corrupt.

Who also should be burned alive. Well, he quit. Ironically. He quit. Yeah. Burn him alive now. Ah, boy. I really hope that people understand that you're being slightly satirical.

I kind of don't. I'm going to be honest. I, I just, no, no, you know what? You're right. I'm not advocating violence. I really am not. That's not the way to go. I hate that I keep pushing you on it, but it's just like, it's a thing where, I

mean, like, I think that there's a lot of people who are like a Bill Maher or something on that, say, stupid shit. And then the left gets accused of X, Y or Z because of him. Don't care what the left gets accused of. I don't, I know, but I care what we get accused of or what we could be accused of. I kind of don't care about that either. I'm going to be, I mean, unless it's a crime, unless we're, unless we're taken

to jail then, then let me tell you something, Dan, this is all an act. I am a character. I think you saying that Scott Pruitt should be burned is like, it's not maybe not a crime, but it's on the, it's on the border of like language that maybe isn't okay. He should be though. Like by any reasonable metric, just like from a purely scientific standpoint, based on, of the people who are murdered, that's not a possible consequence.

Okay. Fine. Fine. Of the people who are murdered by the state, uh, through the, through the death penalty, right? Imagine a, imagine. Wait to see the end of this. Imagine like, are any of their crimes, are any of their crimes ever equal to Scott

Pruitt's like, because Scott Pruitt has made so many decisions that are going to result in the deaths of hundreds of people, hundreds, maybe not, maybe not. He's going to exacerbate climate change to the point where an extra million people die or whatever, but so many of his decisions do have concrete numbers behind them, say something like, uh, where, where he send him to the Hague. I'm totally fine with that too. That's what I would say. Instead of saying, let's burn this person alive.

Okay. Because I think that that's ugly language. And I think you could be accused of like reactionary ism or something like that. I, and maybe I'm being like, I, I know that, uh, hey, this is Dan play in the middle or whatever, you're being correctly cautious. You're a compassionate human being more to the point. This is my fucking life. You know, doing this show, I, I, here's, here's how I would put it to you.

Here's the best way I can describe the way that I treat my, uh, uh, tendency towards advocating violence. If, if, if that is what it can be called, uh, in a court of law, I think it can't. But, uh, I think you're in the clear there. I think it is torture. I think it is absolutely torture for anybody to be held in solitary confinement. Yep. Paul Manafort was held in solitary confinement for 23 hours out of every day.

But some of that was for his own protection. I, I, yeah, it's still torture to be held in solitary confinement for that long is still torture. I'm against it by principle, but I also understand that there are sometimes logistical situations. Like I would never want to be done as a punitive thing, but you know, if, if you are a white supremacist and you get put into a, uh, a prison where you're going to get killed, I think that solitary confinement for your own safety might be

the only option or a cordoned off wing of, but then you have just a white supremacist, exactly, which most prisons already have. We should probably also just get rid of prison. It's exactly that if you're going to, and I don't think it is right for Paul Manafort to have, to be in that solitary confinement multiple times called for his, however, however, I do think it is an appropriate punishment based on the punishments that we've existed in the past. Sure.

Like for his crimes and far worse, he deserves far worse compared to the punishments that we dole out for crimes that are far less damaging. That's, that's all I'm saying. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's like a math argument. Like if you've got, if you've got one column of all the people who died because of your decisions and the punishment that you're received in the other column, most serial killers killed less people personally than Scott Pruitt did. Right.

And they are, they are killed. Now, my only argument against that, I suppose, and then I want to move on because I'm sick of this. This is a, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been having this argument for how many months now. The only, the only thing I would say is that I really, really don't like, I know that you're not advocating this, but I really don't like the idea of punishment and, uh, like the justice system being involved in like, like, like homerabi

ask I for an eye, uh, like you deserve this. Again, totally stupid because that, that is too much relishing the pain that you can cause someone who has caused other people pain. Right. And I don't, I don't feel like that's a good thing for humans. I agree. I think that much more, I think we should just send people to the egg. I think we should too.

That sounds like, I was actually looking into that. Should be your new yell. Just send them to the hay. No, this is crazy. I was actually looking into this specifically because I'm going through all the crimes that have been committed by, uh, the people in that we have inexplicably given power to, and I'm trying to figure out, could you actually prosecute them for this?

And so much of it is actually legal. So then I was like, well, how, if I were going to be elected president or, or something along those lines, how would I circumvent the fact that what they did was, was not illegal here, but should be and is other places. Well, lure them to a foreign country. Exactly. I was, I was looking up international courts. I was looking up all of this stuff.

I was like, how do we do a new Nuremberg trials? Like that kind of stuff. And there really isn't any recourse for it. Well, the Nuremberg trials were very problematic to begin with. Yeah. In terms of jurisdiction and ex post facto. Agreed. Now granted, you always want to see Nazis get punished.

I'm kind of on the side of we, again, so many of our laws should have like, except Nazis. It should be written into every one of our laws. Perhaps. So Alex is fine with Kavanaugh. Who would have guessed, who would have guessed that he would have tucked his tail between his legs and said that anybody that Trump chose was the best choice. Also, he makes no point of being like, now I know that I said I had real deep

sources that said that Andrew Napolitano is going to be the Supreme Court nominate. I didn't add, he did start that last clip by saying, I'm usually right. But the rest of it, he never brings up that like, I was, I was wrong. I was completely wrong about Andrew Napolitano. It's going to probably pretend he never said that. Have you ever seen Kavanaugh and Napolitano in the same room? That's a really good point. That's a good point.

So I'm talking about Kavanaugh a little bit and reasons why Alex shouldn't be in favor of him and then should, I guess. Here is a little thing about him. Quote, Kavanaugh is also authored or signed on to a number of opinions deferring to presidential power in high profile cases. For instance, after the Supreme Court ruled that enemy combatants detained at Guantanamo Bay have the right to challenge their detentions in court, Kavanaugh was among the conservative judges on the DC circuit who subsequently

ruled in ways the critics have said, actively subverted the high court's decision. You can do that. So as to render it toothless. He's an original list, Dan. He's from a report on NPR. It's important to care about precedent. Right. Well, I mean, but this, this one is that Alex should not be in favor.

Oh, no, absolutely not. This, this is like, and it's not caring about precedent at all. He was thrilled with the idea that this guy was super into like these people who are held at Guantanamo Bay and being tortured and all this. Yep. Just no, they shouldn't be able to challenge their incarceration. That's absolutely against Alex's principles. Now, the reasons that he will and should be for him are that Kavanaugh is

anti contraception is anti environmental regulations. He's anti net neutrality is super pro guns and he was in favor of the South Carolina law that required people to have IDs to vote, which of course is a cornerstone of voter disenfranchisement. Can we just call him pro death? Like everything you just described, everything he's anti and everything he's pro lead to people dying who don't need, who, who shouldn't die, who have no reason to die other than because of those positions.

I don't know, but I think you might be dramatizing a net neutrality, a tiny bit, but the other ones, oh net neutrality. Yeah, that one, that one is you're, you're right on that one. I agree with the rest of them kind of being a debt life and death. I, I let, I let the net neutrality one slide. Right, right. I mean, it's still pro death. He's on the wrong still pro death.

I mean, there is two certain extent. I mean, it does, it does limit people's ability to organize and congregate, uh, which could lead to deaths. Yep. Perhaps. So I mean, Kevin knows the shithead. Uh, I know he'll probably end up passing and great. Yep.

Hey, there's only one way to stop him. Uh, Stacking the court. And that's shutting the, I mean, at this point, the thing that's, the thing that I look at now with like a knowledge of history combined with like where we're going is people keep talking about how he's going to swing the cons, the court conservative for the next 30 or 40 years. Right.

And I'm like, if he's approved, we're getting 15 max before either the world ends or there's a violent overthrow. Well, I mean, I don't, I don't even know if it'll make it 15 because there's so many indications that, uh, like, I don't know. I'm, uh, I'm going to stop myself before I get too doom and gloomy about this, but you know, we have reordering of international priorities and things like that, that have very, very drastic consequences. Well, the way that Trump is like making friends with and pretending that

Kim Jong-un is on the level when he's clearly not, he's, there are reports coming out all over the place that they're still doing massive tests. Hilariously not. Right. Hilariously not. But he's banking on the optics of doing stuff like this and buddying up, uh, to a great extent with Putin and other authoritarian leaders around the world and being a dick to our allies and things like that.

It's almost exactly like the axis of evil pre-World War two. You have this reordering of things and we are not in, uh, the side that you want to be on. Oh no. This is not, this, this doesn't play out well looking down the road. And I don't even know if it's 15 years off. And this is where I, I, like I was saying, I was trying to resist being doom and gloomy about it, but like, cause there is, there, there is a

world I also see as being possible where a lot of these really bad decisions get made and cooler heads prevail and we are able to fix things before things go too far. It's, it's this, you hope that that can happen. This very, this, this stuff that is going on has happened in America in the past. The problem with comparing those two is that the stakes so much lower, so much lower in the past.

Yes. You were just fucking with people in America. Now you're fucking with the world. Well, and, uh, technological advancements that you have weapons advancements, um, the ability to, like before the advent of the internet or the ubiquity of the internet and the, uh, prevalence of social media, it was much, much harder to trick people the way that people like Alex are able to trick people.

Now you had to do it on a local level. Right. You couldn't get as many at the same time. And I mean, it's not all Alex, just because we talk about him all the time. There's so many more malicious influences. They're all con men, but the, um, the, the, the stakes that are so much higher are on one end that like outright destruction is right around the corner. Oh yeah.

At any point, just a couple of bad decisions lead to like cat catastrophes. Oh yeah. Our, our, what our weakest nuclear bomb now is twice as, is like a thousand times as strong as the, the big boy and then man, you know, like that whole thing. But I think even more devastating is that like now people are so entrenched in their own opinions. Um, and maybe we're guilty of that too, but at the same time, I'm willing to listen to anything and be like, clearly.

Yeah. Fair. I think it's part, I think one of the nice things about being a conservative is they just tune us out. Like they just choose what they want to be mad at and they don't listen to anything. Like, you can't, you can't talk to one. One of them. They're not even people anymore.

Yeah. I mean, no, they are people, but functionally they're not like, I do think that, and this is Dan coming out of his larva or whatever the pupil stage. You're, you're, you're becoming, you're becoming a beautiful butterfly. I think you and I have argued in the past about like, uh, value of people and like, you shouldn't like write people off. And yeah, I'm ready to write off just about a lot of people. Oh yeah.

I mean, it's pointless. It's not like it doesn't, it doesn't matter anymore. Frankly, I'm ready. I thought there was a chance and now there's not. No, no, there's probably a good, uh, I don't know, 15% of the population in America, if it's just like, you guys just got to shut up. Yeah. You're hurting yourself, you're hurting yourself and hurting others more.

But yeah, exactly. Like the people who support Trump or like, Oh, I think he, everything he's doing is great. And he's starting this trade war that is specifically going to bankrupt them. Yep. Like personally, they are people who have personal skin in the game and they're going to be, they're going to give all their money away and they're not even really going to understand why that it's their own fucking fault.

It's bananas. Yeah. And they, they just can't comprehend it because we're, we're team sports run by con men. Well, even beyond that, I mean, the con men part is the function of that, uh, ubiquity of the internet and the social media allows you to create things that look real when they're not and all this. Right.

And it's only going to get worse with the, uh, the advancements of technology where, you know, you have these videos now where you can make, look like someone saying something they didn't say. Yep. Once that sort of shit gets weaponized now, it's no fucking idea. Yeah. Like that's the sort of stuff that could like, I mean, I know this is also me being doom and gloomy.

Like that could cause a war. Oh, no, that is going to cause a war. You could very easily make a video of some like Kim Jong-un declaring war on America or something like that. And then I mean, all the times. Trick Trump with that so easily fucking stuttering. John tricked him with a prank call. Called him from Air Force one.

It's, it's like when this pre-internet, there was a fucking, uh, a test that almost went wrong that caused the end of the human race because some dude, the only reason we are all still alive, the literally the only reason all of the human race is still alive is because one dude was like, I don't think we need to press this button and send all these nukes at Russian general like, like that's it. Yeah. Like imagine a dumb ass president who gets a video that Fox News plays and

then 10 minutes later, they issue a retraction, but it's too late. He's already fucking dumb. Even if they were all dead, even if they play it and the Chiron is, is this real? Yeah, exactly. It still doesn't matter. He believes everything they say. If any one of them decide to say, we need to start a war, he's going to do it.

We're hopefully not, hopefully not, hopefully not. Well, I mean, Congress has given up war powers to the president anyway. So this is why we shouldn't cover modern episodes. I know. Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about why you support Trump. Okay. What I'm saying about Trump is this, the will of the people are behind him. And so when he made the joke, I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and my

supporters will still support me. And he gets the fact that he's going to deliver to us, we're going to deliver to him. And that's why I'm so behind the president because we're taking the country and the world back and the globalist are crafting their pants and things are turning around. So praise God's all I got to say doesn't mean things are perfect. But in my gut, I know Trump's good as well.

That's not good. I'd like to take us all back to a mere couple of months ago when Trump was shoving ISIS up his dirty asshole or a few years ago when his gut said that he was a gangster. Not his gut. He had it from a good. Oh, that's right. He did have it from good sources that he is mobbed up and a front man for the

consortiums on the East coast. ISIS is all just so pathetic. I don't even, I like, I don't know what you're going to crack. No, I just had to sort of brace myself a tiny bit for what you're about to board with this guy. Like that's the real struggle. No, this iteration right now.

Yeah, I agree. The real struggle like to me, looking back at 2009, Alex, I don't know, I probably say this all the fucking time, but at least there's some like there's intrigue there. There's something that's like, what are you, what game are you playing exactly? He could go a lot of different ways back then. Right. He had a lot of options.

Right. Right. And it's, it's, it's interesting. There's, there's dynamics. There's a push and pull. Whereas now I just listen to this. I'm like, I know exactly what you're doing. This is so fucking boring.

You're, you're a bad character in a bad movie. At this point, like when the movie of 2017, 2016 comes out eventually, he's not even going to be in it. Uh, he was a bad character in that show though. Uh, what was the one? No, no, no, no, not the X files. The one, uh, homeland homeland. He was in both of those.

He was in both of them. He was a really bad character in homeland though. Yeah. He was bad. He was very furious about that depiction. Yeah. Although he did plug it a lot. It's very weird.

Well, more people Google that character. More people realize it's about Alex Jones. Me, more people listen to Alex Jones. Strange impulse to be like these people are hatchet, jobbing me, go watch it. It's on showtime. Very weird. Any publicity is good publicity. But to me that, that version of his, him is even more interesting than now.

Yeah. Now I can't stress enough. Like the only thing that interests me about this episode was like, I learned a little bit more about how bad the bundies were and then Stan Dayo sucks. And it's funny that Alex doesn't bring up Andrew Napolitano anymore. The basement got lower. That's, that's our, that's it. No, that's a great way of putting our experience listening to Alex Jones.

Now, anytime we listen to him in the present, all that, all that happens is we realize that the basement just got lower. Well, I mean, there's just no bottom. How much cuck could a wood cuck cuck? If a wood cuck could cuck cuck, I don't know for, you know, I mean, it's just a, it's sort of a like, can, can, how many, how many different ways can you suck Trump's dick? Like it, how many different ways are there?

I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm just, you put an ice cube in there. I guess that would help. Maybe try a breath mint. Oh, you could use one of those, one of those strips, one of those things that you put on there, maybe put some LSD on there. Everybody gets a contact high. Now I'm just, now I'm just weird thinking about weird, I'm not, I'm not comfortable with where this is going.

Well, you took it there entirely. I know it's entirely my fault. I set it out. I mean, I, most of my problems come from me, Dan. The, the thing that I, I take, I don't like your characterization of it there because I don't think that like, you know, like sucking dick as a negative. I know, I know, I know that's not what you meant. That's not my intent.

I know, but I would, the reason that I would, I would frame it differently is just like how much lower can someone bring themselves in service of something that doesn't really, like it's not, I want to say that it's not really what they're about, but what they're about is white supremacy. So it is what they're about, but like, it's like, how contorted does someone have to get in order to rationalize stuff in a way that's not interesting. You know, like, cause if, if he was interesting about it, it'd be different. It's not, it's not interesting.

To me, what I hear is like a bad salesman. Like you've, cause, cause here's what's going on. To the people he's talking to, they've already been sold. Right. To the people that he's not talking to, he's overselling. Every word he says just pushes them further away. Yeah. So why are you still trying to sell it?

Why are you still trying to sell it in new and different ways? Like you're, you're a sold car. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're a door-to-door salesman. I already have a vacuum or I've thrown a vacuum out the door. Why are you bothering with this? Go somewhere else.

Well, it's because like it's the dynamic that we've already talked about in terms of like he's abandoned the 80% in order to focus on the 20% right, right. In order to keep the illusion for the 20% that he's still marketing to the hundred, he has to keep doing that or else they would realize like there's not anyone's listening to this. We're an isolated, weird group of people who are believing a liar. Otherwise the game kind of gets blown up. What would be the way, like, let's workshop, like, how would you both stay

in your conservative, everything Trump does is the best thing to do lane while still being interesting because he's not doing the latter part. I would say that the way Alex could do it is like ignore a lot of the news. You know what I'm saying? I like that. Well, that's a good start. He's not good at this anyway. And most of the time when he covers the news, it's just reading a headline and

then maybe angrily ranting about something that's not real. So what I would do is I would say read the headline, dismiss it, which is mostly the function of what you're doing anyway, and then go back to what made you interesting, Chimera stuff, right? Like go back to the well of like your old personality that people kind of enjoyed and then see what you can build off that, you know, like find other avenues that are like that, that are weird and have just enough truth that you can yell about them, but are also complete bullshit.

That's what would be interesting because he is not doing. He's not weird anymore. No, this is mainstream. It's very mainstream. Really just a mainstream talk show. Now, but here's the problem was that the problem with it is that he was super successful in as much as Sean Hannity is now him. Fox and Friends very closely mirrors him.

Oh, Fox and Friends is the lazy, like before coffee version of Alex Jones. Now, I hated those sorts of entities. Anything on Fox News before was always very shitty and full of garbage. Awful. But they were not nearly this infowarsy. They were a couple of years ago. They were not out and out white supremacists. They were hiding it.

And even I don't even think Tucker Carlson was that much of a white supremacist dude. He is gone. Full hog. Now he might have, he might have at some point. I mean, in private, he was probably, but probably they weren't, they had producers who were like, Hey, we're going to edit out the part where you said the N word 42 times in a row because that one,

that's Jackie Robinson's number. And two, we can't be having that. But no one will notice you're wearing a bow tie and you're an adult. So it'll be fine. Let's be staring at that, like expecting it to squirt on your guest. The, the, the thing is like, yeah, who knows what lies in the hearts of men, as they say, you know, like, who knows? If that was what those people like Bill O'Reilly or any of them was

about, right, right, right. But the entity of Fox news, even as a like sort of state television for Bush, yeah, I'll have you like, even as that entity, it was not nearly as crazy as info wars. And now it kind of is, and it hurts Alex because now that they're both on the same page, right? Even though during Obama's time, they were on the same page as being against Obama, right?

He was still on the same page. He was weird. He was screaming about like, uh, Frank Marshall Davis being his daddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all that stuff. He needs to reclaim the weird. Yeah. The problem is, the problem is, the problem is everybody has gotten too weird and now he doesn't know how to outweard people.

Well, it's a quote, Hunter S. Thompson. Yeah. When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. Uh, but he didn't do that. Nope. He kept doing the same things he did before or less. Yeah. Yeah.

He's actually even pulled back from the weird. Yeah. What was the last time you heard about him talking about fucking, uh, something that was really out there? I mean, he still talks about Chimeras from time to time. Yeah, but Chimeras aren't even that out there anymore. Nah, Chimeras got mainstream. Yeah, I know.

Now this might actually be the best way to kill Alex Jones in terms of his like career and stuff like that. Make the world weirder. Well, I mean, I think it might be an unfortunate byproduct of Trump. And I think inevitably it's, uh, if I were Alex and I were a craven con man, yeah, he is, I think that that is what I, like that would be what prompts me to leave the team is like, I can no longer be as crazy as I need to be. That's why he's fucking growing a beard.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this shit, he's like, he's trying to juice it up somehow and it's not working. It's like your girlfriend of four years suddenly gets a haircut and colors your hair and you're like, hmm, you're edgy. I don't think you are going to stick around for much longer. Do you think his beard is an indication that it's time to break up? No, I think his beard is actually an indication of deep, deep sadness. I really, I really truly, because after, after I was alerted to that, he had a beard.

I was allowed to look at it and it is the most disgusting thing. It's not a good thing. I think I've ever seen in my entire life. Anybody who can look at that in the mirror is a deeply depressed and unhappy man. I would say that, like, I hate the trope on TV shows of like when someone like gets a divorce or becomes an alcoholic, they grow a beard. Yeah, you know, like your characters on the beginning of the second season of heroes, Nathan Petrelli grew a beard.

He was a drunk. He thought he was responsible for Peter's death. That's all. Peter, he looked like a sad clown. Well, see, Peter was, he had excellently absorbed a guy's power to be able to explode as a nuclear bomb. This is as annoying to me as my violence is okay. Argument is annoying to you.

And in order to save the city of New York from exploding, this Peter couldn't control his powers. Nathan grabbed him and flew him above the city. And then he thought that he was responsible for Peter's death. And so he grew a beard because he was drinking so much, but NBC couldn't show him drinking all the time. You got mad at me for talking about Dune for too long. Screw you.

That's probably 15 seconds. This is bullshit. Anyway, play the tape. Anyway, my point is that I hate it in a hacky fiction, but I think in reality, his beard is a cry for help. Oh, it's a cry for help. Alex needs, you gotta shave that. It's a sad beard.

Got to shave that shit. Oh yeah. The beard is a, it's a definition of a cuckoo beard. If there's one thing we can do, it is first off, not block Kavanaugh because that's never going to win. We're going to lose and the world is over and still hold out hope and call senators and stuff like that. Like still don't, don't fucking give up.

Oh no, absolutely not. Even if like it, the prospects aren't good. If you do nothing, nothing will happen. If you all, if everybody are in America, just call Susan Collins once and says whatever it is that Mitch McConnell says to you, he is lying because he's always lied to you and you are gullible, then maybe she'll get it. And maybe she won't vote for Kavanaugh because she's going to be told, she's going to be told a million times.

No, don't worry about it. Kavanaugh respects precedent. And so he won't gut Roe v. Wade's established law. He's got, he respects precedent. He's definitely going to say any challenge that comes to Roe v. Wade, the, uh, uh, undue burden clause will definitely be worth it. And she's going to say yes. And then it's going to be gutted and she's going to be like, well, I'm dumb

again. Why, why, well, who knows. Anyway, I thought we were going to get a deal. Let's, let's, uh, let's move this along. Anyways, yeah. So, uh, in this next clip, Jordan, Alex acts like, uh, so you remember, uh, when he went down to Seattle, when, uh, when Alex went down to Seattle, looking for a soul to steal, um, and he was a costing people on the street screaming at

them, uh, chasing people and then eventually got coffee. They're on him. Um, he's got a slightly different take on that now. And they think calling us names, lying about us, pouring coffee on us, yelling and screaming at us, does something. Yes, it does something. It lets me know I'm right about how immature and stupid and thuggish and mob mentality you people are.

I know you are, but what am I? And it means nothing to me. Doesn't it? What you do and what you say. I was in Seattle, they'd always run by and call me a Nazi or call me a name. So I'd wave them over and say, tell me what you have to say. Tell me your intellectual ideas. And their answer would be to throw coffee on me.

Ooh, that's a good answer and run away. What an idiot. Pretty sure he just walked away. Even when I offered the goblin, as we call him $10,000 and first class tickets to come here because I wanted free press. He wouldn't do it when we upped it to $20,000. Turns out he is an out of work, want to be professional wrestler announcer. Oh yeah.

Don't we know that guy? Like tertiary turns out that the goblin cannot and will not debate debate. What I hear there is a rewriting of history because I watched that video and he is just fucking being a huge dick to everybody. Yep. And then what else I hear is that like, all right, I didn't actually, I didn't think that was fake necessarily. I had some suspicions at the time, but I wasn't ready to call it fake.

But that clip makes me think it was fake because what I hear there is Alex being like, we did this scene on the streets or this guy threw something at me and I pretended it was hot coffee because he didn't react at all like flinching. Oh no, no, no, that was not hot coffee. So like what he's saying is like, I had this set piece that we did. And then like Mike Rotondo, I wanted to get him in studio because then I could make a real show out of it.

I offered him $10,000 to do it. He said no. So I offered him $20,000. He said, no, I don't really want to do it. I think I'm done with our interaction. You know, I think, I think that was good. I realized that maybe I shouldn't have even done that. Yeah.

And then he walked off with his life peaceably. Alex is now trying to reframe it as a thing where he's like, I just wanted this guy to debate me. Oh man, I think I would do it for 20 grand. I'm not going to lie to you. I need 20 grand. Dude, I do, I'd show up on info wars for 20 grand, but I wouldn't say anything. I just sit there and stare at him.

Like a serial killer. You just stare. Well, because, you know, isn't that that Errol Morris, like sort of philosophy of documentary interviewing? Oh yeah. You just let people talk. You don't say anything and then they reveal everything. Just what I would do.

I just didn't, I'm like, mm-hmm. Oh yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, oh, ah, let Alex fill the space. You know, just whatever. Oh yeah. I was like, I don't, I don't give a shit. People want to talk about this list.

All right. All right. Aren't you global? Interesting. All right. Okay. I live in Chicago. Okay.

There you go. Although I am much like Pitbull, Mr. Worldwide. I'm going to let you sit in that one for a while. See, that's Errol Morris style. So in this next clip, Alex was, he's still talking about the guy who threw coffee on him in Seattle and he's already called him a goblin, which is interesting because that's very interesting phrasing.

And then he does this thing that he always does. It's very suspicious. I'm not trying to be mean. It's just, what is it about? Minions of this system that make them so horrific to look at. Okay. I got to stop. I really want to play this Brexit report when we come back to the next segment.

Why is it always physical? Why is there always a physical component of it? Why is it always? Why? I think, uh, if, if I were to question answers itself, if I were really going to dive into it, I wouldn't even, I actually, I wouldn't even go with the just white on this one because white supremacy is absolutely part of this. But I think this goes even beyond that to like the white supremacy eugenics

kind of idea that only good ideas can come from beautiful looking genetically superior people. Like, cause that's, that's so often part of it. It's not just, it's not just the Jewish thing or, or the white thing. It's always like, although he listens to what Mitch McConnell says, and that guy's a fucking troll. So I don't know. It's mostly an anti-Semitic thing, I believe.

I, I, I'm, yeah, you're right. I have talked myself completely out of my argument. Trump is a fucking monster. No, I mean, like generally, whenever, whenever Alex brings up people's physicalities and stuff like that and is like, this is, look at this, uh, who is he talking to? Who, who is he talking about? The guy threw coffee on him.

Okay. In the street. Is he Jewish? I have no idea. It's not, it's not this specific. Instance isn't as important. No, I like his tradition of people who have Semitic qualities, uh, visually being like, oh, look at that gross fucking, and then using anti-Semitic

canards in order to attack them. Why is it that they always look like that with all of their, I'm not going to say Jewish characteristics, but you know what I mean. But at the same time, I love my wife's nose. She's got a regal nose. And I'm not saying that a nose is a Jewish characteristic at all. Nobody, that's not a stereotype. I'm not saying that.

When you have to dance around it, that fucking, yeah, something. Yes, it does. So when you have to burn it to cover up your crimes, it might have something to do with it. Exactly. It means there was a crime to begin with. So, um, in this next clip, Alex announces a guest that we're not going to listen to. Uh, we also have the gentleman who started the walk away movement who's

liberal and gay and lives in New York. They got thrown out of an electronic shop for, they said, Oh, you're all right. Cause you're on Tucker Carlson. Get out of here. I won't sell you the microphone. Uh, he's going to be joining us. Liberal and gay appeared on Tucker Carlson.

Yes. You're all right. Get out. All of those things don't seem to fit together properly. Well, uh, this, uh, gentleman is a guy by the name of boy, where's this fucking name? I don't even care. Brandon Straka. Uh, he's got these people come from, I don't know.

He's got posted a video, uh, on YouTube, uh, believe it is, uh, posted in May. Uh, he posted a video where he was talking about how, uh, people need to walk away from the, uh, the democratic party, uh, that, uh, people who, uh, the democratic party uses people of color and LGBTQ people, uh, but doesn't help them. I agree. 100% and started a hashtag walk away movement. Um, it did not pick up any traction until fairly recently, uh, when again, we're in July, the, yep.

A bunch of bots started, uh, promoting it. Uh, there has been, there have been forensic analyses of these accounts that really boosted the hashtag walk away, uh, trend and they are fake accounts. Sounds right. There's one, uh, that, uh, was very clearly pointed out here in an article on daily dot, uh, that got 16,000 retweets, uh, at 45,000 likes. Uh, that's a lot. Yeah.

And it's very clearly a fake account using, uh, a picture that was stolen, uh, from a Getty image. Kind of like these are all, it's all like, I, I, I, your news outlets reverse Google image search is a good idea. The Washington post quoting a click hole article. I'm not, I'm not here to, I'm not here to say like, oh, this is a Russian front or anything like that. Although there's probably some involvement, but at the same time, it's

the same thing that you see over and over and over again. Where it's less important that Russia is involved in it and more important that there are artificial forces that are boosting all of this. Yep. That there are these bot farms that, uh, that, that do this in order to create no means organic. No, absolutely not. And there's a reason to do it.

There's a fucking midterm election coming up. Yeah. This video got posted, what, three months ago and now people are, are bringing it up in a astroturfy way in order to, uh, to push this. So Alex has the guy on because fucking loves it. Yeah. This is, this is a really unfortunate development. I really don't know.

Like, cause here's the problem. The democratic party is shit. Yes. Right. And so you get that old bullshit, you know, like you supported Bernie Sanders and that ruined Hillary and you voted for like, I voted for Hillary and I think she's shit. I don't, I don't fucking care.

Right. It's, it's, it's one of those like, how do we successfully destroy the democratic party's leadership without at the same time undermining our ability to destroy the Republican party's leadership? You know, maybe not destroy, but like, supplant, replace, perform a coup, a counter coup, improve, yeah, um, adjust. Well, Diane Feinstein needs to be gone. Right.

There's a lot of, you know, like, much like the Mexicans that burn their fields. Sure. We need to get a permit to get rid of these fucking democratic bullshit. There's a lot, there's a lot of, um, cause what are they? Well, meaning, um, and some just ineffective and not good, uh, folk who, uh, are, are, have positions of power in the democratic party, right. Are not representative of what should be the left party, the main left party. No, I'm a writer.

Die. Elizabeth Warren bitch, but that doesn't mean like, I don't, I don't think that that means that like, Hey, torpedo the entire party. Right. I don't think you mean think that, but I think that some people do believe that I don't know, I think there's a fine line to walk of, uh, I, I agree. The problem is, I just don't know where that line is because part of me wants to say torpedo the fucking party.

Right. And then at the same time we have a productive option. We have Warren, we have, uh, Cortez, we have so many good people. Right. Like we have so many great people in democratic party. It seems like the democratic party is always split between people who just want to get power and people who give a shit. Right.

And the Republican party is always unified ideologically, no, regardless of whether or not they're con men. Nope. You're being unfair to them. There are some people who are just bad. And then there are some people who are real bad. That's a good point. There are garden variety, mom and pop bad.

Right. And then there's like Steve, you know, like there's, there are, you know, it's your, your, your mom and pop store bad versus your Walmart bad. Right. And everyone's used to dealing with, uh, mom and pop bad, uh, right. And that's the game everyone thinks is being played. And it's all like the, the rising tide is really bad. Yeah.

That nascent, uh, uh, like it went through its birth pains eight, nine years ago, uh, uh, uh, coming to, coming to, uh, into the world. Uh, that is what everyone's dealing with. And I don't think that the people who are in power on the democratic party side are ready to deal with that reality. Right. And that's why they're ineffective and need to go the same time. I think it's probably foolish, uh, to stake all hope on, uh, like another party

and being able to create it from the ground. Right. Ideally what you would have is, I mean, I'd love it if another party was able to do that, but I'm not sure that you are. I hope, I hope you could, but I think it would be more effective in order to, I think you would be able to. The, the only thing, the only thing that makes sense to me in regards to actually changing the democratic party leadership is to create a third party that

is purely about progressive views that only takes on Democrats in situations where Democrats are overly, overwhelmingly going to win anyways. Like if Alexandria, if Alexandria were to, were to pull off a third party victory against the democratic leadership, knowing full well that no matter what the progressive side is going to win in that election. All of a sudden now we have a viable third party candidate that hasn't split the vote and destroyed the, uh, she was running as a third party person. She would lose in the general election.

It's possible. It's very well, actually, no, it's 100% likely. If she was not running as a Democrat, she wouldn't get that. This is why the, the reason, uh, you need to have people like her. And I think this is one of the reasons why it's really important that Bernie did run as a Democrat. You have people who come into the party and try and push it left as opposed to, uh, siphoning off votes and, uh, just because if, if, like, now let, let's

create a perfect scenario, you have the middle Democrats, uh, imaginary entity. You have the middle Republicans, imaginary, exactly. There you go. Then you have the people on the left making their own party and people on the right making their own Patriot party. And then it was a four way election. Then you would have, then we're in a different situation. Well, you'd have votes being siphoned off from each candidate, right?

Our own way, right? Um, and you could see what happened. Right. That would be an interesting experiment. And I don't think it happened with like Jill Stein and Gary Johnson existing in the 2016 election. No. But I think that you could have a much better, uh, um, I think each of those

parties would still lose. Okay. All right. New plan. No. Third party only runs super progressive in areas where the Republicans are almost guaranteed to win. So then you start asking yourself, is it, then you start really dealing with

the strategy that, uh, Democrats have for red state Democrats, where they're like, maybe if we're just mostly Republican, but a little bit not Republican, even Republicans and Democrats, both will vote for us. You start challenging the option. Like you have an option of like, well, let's see how this policy applies. We've got nothing to lose. It would be interesting as an experiment. I'm in knowing that you're going to lose.

Yeah. I'm in for it. Yeah. Sure. Let's do it. All right. Done. Nailed it.

Okay. Point, points to both of us. Plus one for both. So Jordan, in this next clip. So, uh, in this next clip, so I earlier, I was chastising you a little bit, maybe unfairly about violent rhetoric. How dare you chastise me for the crimes that I might have committed. I don't think they're crimes, but there's, there's a reason.

And that is because like, I don't like, um, I just don't like any time that I feel like we're too close to Alex. We're sounding like him. Right. I really don't like it. And here's, I'll play this next clip and you can see if you agree with me. He says the word for word, but I say are physically attacking people, running people out of stores, rioting, screaming, freaking out all over the country.

There's so many reports of it. I can't even keep track of it. A lot of it's up on info wars.com. Antifa is just beating up anybody that's got a bumper sticker that's Christian on their cars. I wish there's so much of this pouring in that we've got three new videos of them just beating up old women. And let me tell you, I see like 15 young folks beating up a 65, 70 year old woman.

I'm going to be honest. Ethel, I just start one. Doris and my man, I can't watch that stuff because it makes me angry at everybody around me. I'm not trying to sound like a tough guy either, man. How do you come up with grown men beating up old women? I think he was saying that to himself. How did I come up with that?

I'm pretty sure he jerks off to those videos of a undocumented children screaming in ice detention centers. So how do you come up with old men or men beating up old women? Fuck off. But in the middle of that, there is like, when I see this, I just want to kill people. You know, like there is that. And I think you're, I think you're better than that. I think you're better than, and I'm, yeah, I do.

I think you're better than descending to the level of that, like kind of rhetoric. That's all I, well. And, and this, this may be, no, and this may be a very weak T argument. Um, my, my difference, I think there is that I am not trying to blanket in terms of the, the, like I, I disregard conservatives. Like they are something to be ignored. They're nothing to me, you know, like none of your arguments make sense. Nothing you say is anything but destructive and you don't even know.

You're a patsy, you know, you're the schlemiel. The people who have it coming though, that's the difference I feel like between me and Alex Jones, Alex is going to toss it out to anybody who disagrees with me with him. I don't think if you disagree with me, that makes you, uh, evil. But I know there are evil people. Right. There are people who are legitimately deserving.

Look, I mean, like Dick Cheney should be in jail from 20 years ago until whenever he dies, I don't, I know, I don't understand why that is a, like that is not on the table. I don't understand that. I don't understand why George W is not in jail. And so if I say, well, I'm okay. You functionally from, from a functional standpoint, yes. But, but if I am saying like those two fuckers need to be burned alive, the

reality of what I'm saying is they committed serious crimes and they are not being responsible for countless people, literally burning alive. Exactly. Like the, the people who have it coming and the problem with the rhetoric and I understand, I understand exactly where you're coming from, because the rhetoric makes it sound like I am saying that Alex, I'm saying the same similar things that Alex is. I don't want to, I don't want that to be what you think I'm accusing you of.

No, I, I know, I know. I'm just saying that the rhetoric has the same sound to it of like, I want these people to die. Right. But what I really am trying to say is like, there is no accountability to the people who are actually causing all of this shit going down and Alex is not talking about accountability. Alex is talking about punishment.

I am not talking about punishment and repression and repression. Yeah. He's not talking about punishing, uh, like, I mean, he does say lock her up and, and shit like that, which is punishment. He's talking about like protesters. Yeah. He's talking about just people who politically disagree with him. Yeah.

I don't think I don't want physically for Mitch McConnell to be murdered. Right. But at a certain point, exactly how do you hold Mitch McConnell accountable? Send him to the Hague. Right. So, so I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. The, the, the issue is that there's no emotional rhetoric behind, you need to go to

court. I understand that. And you know, and you need to make an approach and emotional appeal to people. Otherwise shit's not going to happen. I understand that. And there's no, there's no part of me that wants to clip your emotional wings as it were and disallow you or maybe you can, I'm going to fly. But, but like to like, I don't, I have no interest in being a voice that says like,

Hey, Jordan, calm down with your language or anything like that. I just think, I think from time to time maybe, and maybe I'm just doing this because this episode's so boring that like Alex, that we were talking about, that it, there's a value, I think, from time to time to like just addressing and being like, yeah, there's a difference. But when, when you scream, burn this person, there's not an actual desire to burn them. No, there is an emotional truth behind.

I don't deserve being set on fire. It would, it would like emotionally, like legitimately, emotionally, I would not ever be able to watch a, like if it, for real, if we burn Scott Pruitt alive as a, as a, you're a big climate change guy. So that would be like one of your big villains. That would be one of my huge ones, right? I could never ever watch it. It would destroy me emotionally.

The simple idea of thinking about like actually seeing it and knowing that the consequences that are, of it are real would wreck me. And the idea that I would have some like part in bringing it about would wreck me forever. However, Scott Pruitt has killed people. Yeah. He has personally killed people with the things that he said, he, with the stroke of a pen, people have died because of him.

So how do you hold him accountable? You know what I'm saying? That's what I really want. I just want people for, to who murdered, to at least be called murderers. He's a murderer. Well, that, that part is well taken. And he should be fine. He should be in jail for the rest of his fucking life.

Yeah. He should, he should not be, he should be quarantined from the rest of humanity because he's not allowed. I think that, I think that's something I said a long time ago and I, I stand by this and I have no, I have no place in my heart that wishes to like let people who are on the left ostensibly, Democrats be free of this sort of same standard. Absolutely not.

The only way that I really think that we can take the rot out of politics to a certain extent is first of all, get money out of it. You know, absolutely. We, we immediately make moves to, I don't know, public financing for all campaigns, shorten the campaign season to like three months. You get back to the point where there are limits on campaign contributions. Absolutely. If any at all.

Yeah. Yeah. For real. You, you take, you take all that out of it to like get the purity of the turf back and then simultaneously you subject almost all politicians to international tribunals. Like not, and who cares if other countries do it too. But like we have to, we have to, if you want to say America is a city on a

shining hill, then fucking be it. You kind of, you, the only way, like we talk about this all the time. It's like, Hey, George W. Bush committed war crimes. Trump is committing war crimes. And at the same time, we're very acknowledging that Obama is committing war crimes or has committed war crimes. The whole thing is that like we have this complacency in the United States of

like in order to be president, because it's so difficult and challenging and there's so many complicated issues, there's no way to do it without committing war crimes. And that is part of the taint that needs to go away. Exactly. That's something that needs to go away. And the only way that's ever going to happen is if some people are held accountable.

Yeah. Hopefully all of them are held accountable because there needs to be a thing where in the future, if you're the president, you kill thousands of civilians in a country or you, you are, you preside over that. You're not the one in the plane. You're not calling the drone strike individually necessarily, but you preside over that. You're the one firing the gun.

Yeah. Yeah. You're, you are the ultimate responsibility. And if you allow that to happen, I would say there is room in the conversation for rogue agents on a lower level, as long as they're punished, you know, like you, you find out who was the one responsible for X, Y, or Z going wrong, then maybe it doesn't go all the way up to the president. Right.

But at some point there needs to be, there, there needs to be sincere like punishment for, and it doesn't mean like, just, just because we say send them to the Hague, that makes it sound like they're going to end up killing them. Maybe it's not, maybe it's not. Maybe we, maybe we take a little breath and say like, listen, these people committed war crimes, we need to deal with it. We can't just kill them for as cathartic as that would be.

Right. But what we do is we say, all right, your estate is gone. Your estate, we take away all the ill gotten gains. Yep. We take away. I'm fine with that. Right. We, we bring you down to a middle class stature, which would be a delightful

thing for something like me to have as I sell blood so I can pay rent. Like who the, which, what was the last president that doesn't belong in jail? It's been a long time. It's been a long fucking time. It might be all of them. It might be all of them. But you understand.

I know you understand. I hope people understand what I'm saying. The only way that we're going to get better is if we deal with the excuses that we have for why we're not better and the little cheap things that we play, the little games that we play of like, well, Obama, he did kill a bunch of people, he, you know, he blew up that hospital and that wedding with drone strikes, but he meant well. Yeah.

I do agree that like, yes, there was probably good intent there. That doesn't, that's not okay. All of it is not okay. If your good intent is like, instead of killing a thousand people, I want to kill 50. Is that what good and like, I get, I get it. Right. I like on a, on a logical level, I get it.

And on an idealistic level, that's unacceptable. The conversation I'm trying to have, I think, is taking this rage that you feel about these politicians and what they deserve because they do across the board, like a lot of granted, more Republicans than Democrats, but Democrats are not shielded. Absolutely not. I think we've made that clear in our, in our history. Yeah.

But, but, but unfortunately, I think if you look at reality, the people who are the most guilty of the most heinous crimes, always end up on the right. Weird how conservatism leads towards crime. But as the Democratic Party has shifted more and more to the right. Oh, mysteriously, everybody commits more war crimes. Weird. But. Like my point is that the way I think we deal with this, when you have out of

control, local things, local situations, you know, it cops way out of control and stuff like that. Right. I think one of the best ways that can be dealt with is with civilian review boards and things like that. Yeah. You have people who are not necessarily politicians who provide some oversight. Just holding cops accountable.

That's a great start. So now we take that to a macro level and you look at what is, and sure, I mean, I'm willing to have another conversation about international courts not being perfect, but you dare. How's my enmar looking? Not great. But I think there are. Which is not something to laugh at, except in a gallows humor.

Sorry. No, I agree. But I think that, I think that, I think big picture, if you look at, if you pulled, if there was a way to scientifically pull the entire world. Yeah. Which would be crazy. Yeah. I would, I would guess there's about a 70% agreement in terms of like what you

can and can't do. I would, I would even argue that it's so much higher than that. I went low conservative. Yeah. I think, I think, I think that there's going to be like 5% weird this way, 5% weird that way. Right. Who knows the other weird ways, you know, you coob.

Sure. 5% of us are there. That's bullshit. Cause even the 5% nation would agree with what I'm saying. Even they agree, you can't kill people. Fair enough. So like there are like a lot of fringe groups and stuff like that around the world that would still be on the same page in terms of like, well, if you do

this, there is, you should, there should be a consequence for it. 01:46:10,540 --> 01:46:10,740 Right. Right. Even if we don't agree 100% culturally about women driving cars and what have you, if everyone likes to put wedges between us with, I think we've gone very too far on this, but I, I still think. The only way home is through accountability for everybody and that is

going to require a lot of people taking some punches that they don't want to take on both sides. Exactly. Yeah. And we, if you want to, if you want to say to me, lock her up about Hillary Clinton, in all honesty, I bet you could find a reason. Sure. Like legitimately, if you just had somebody, the ones they say, it's definitely

not the ones they say, but if you start, if you start looking at anybody who is fucking rich, chances are you're going to find a crime. Yeah. Why is it that that, like it's just accumulation of wealth is not a natural thing. It doesn't happen in a vacuum. And it doesn't happen without committing some sort of atrocity at the end of the day, whether it's an atrocity, whether it's a conning, whether it's someone

like Elon Musk, screwing his employees, whether it's Bezos, screwing his employees. Although our boy, Hamdi, seems like he's on the level, but I don't think he's profoundly wealthy. He is. I know. I think that's the trick. I don't. I know that he's very well off, but I don't think that he's like, uh, like high

and billionaire or something like that. 01:47:37,580 --> 01:47:37,780 Right. Right. I think that he's very rich, but also, uh, or at the very least, he keeps it well under wraps from, from the things I've looked into about him. I think he's probably pretty on the level about his money. But even so, do more.

I don't know. I know. I mean, there's so much of it that there seems like a acceptable loss. Like legitimately, this is what I want to say. Yeah. What do you want to say, Dan? I survive off doing this podcast and the generous donations that people provide and selling my blood.

Yeah. That's how I survive and pay my bills. Yeah. It is a tough, tight wire, uh, tight wire. Is that the word? A hot wire? High wire. It's a, it's a high wire.

Hotwire.com. It's a high wire act of me constantly just about to fall off this, uh, uh, into the netting below. Yeah. And I still, and I'm not saying this to make myself sound great. I still try to donate to causes that I care about, even though I'm at the point where I sometimes have to go to the store and I'm like, I can't afford cheese. Yeah.

You know, like that sort of thing. I still try to give a little bit of money here and there. Let's extrapolate that to people like Hamdi Ulaqiah, who is doing a lot, still could do more. All these billionaires, you could fucking live on a million and give 900 million dollars to, uh, the advancement of humanity. Dude, the fact that you don't is morally suspicious. The concept of living on a million dollars would boggle my mind.

It's crazy. Like I, I wouldn't that, and, and it's such a, it's such a human social thing where it's like, well, once I live on a million dollars, I have to justify spending all this money and justify two million. Exactly. You know, you gotta, you gotta, once, once you get there and feel the riches in the front of it, you have an infinity pool. Right.

You're like, how do I have a bigger infinity pool that goes around the corner of my building? It's, it's a, it's a serious question that I would, one, love to know the answer to, which is, I can't imagine living beyond, like if I were, if we were suddenly fucking TV personalities who made millions of dollars, which I'm not ready for, right? Absolutely. Even though you said it looks like you look like snake, I'm not ready.

I'll remove your eye and then you'll be ready. All right. Uh, it's, it's just like a, we should start doing the escape from LA podcast. That would be a good podcast of snake every day. We watch who am I? I am the, uh, with another character. Oh, no. What's his name?

The guy who rules LA. I don't remember the escape. He's a fucking insane person. Uh, no, like, I, I can't imagine living any way other than the only opulence. The only luxury that I want is to not have to be like, fuck, am I going to make it this month? Right. That's the only luxury that I really want.

I think that's the case for almost everybody. Yeah. It's, if you're a person who just keeps accelerating the luxuries that they want, you're probably committing a crime. I would love for like, and I know I've just, I've brought this up a couple times and I don't mean to keep banging on it, but like, I've been selling my plasma for money, uh, which I don't find degrading at all. And I kind of enjoy the process of it.

Like it's good to have some nice time to read. See, see again, your luxury is like, well, I like having time to read. I mean, it's, you know, and I get paid to do it. It's a bus trip over there, a bus trip back and then you're an hour in the chair or whatever, you know, but at the same time, I get to read. I get to listen to music. Exactly. It's not a bad luxury.

It's not a bad time, but what I would say is that I think that everybody who wants to, uh, bloviate about, uh, about shit, go do that a couple of times. Yeah. Go spend some time down at the plasma center. Go down there and try and go talk to the people around there. Go talk to and just experience the culture. I'm not saying it's a bad culture at all because I love it. I think that the people down there are awesome, but I would say it could open

up some eyes of people who, uh, think that, uh, I don't know, just, I think that a lot of people don't realize that there are so many people who rely on that sort of thing in order to make ends meet. Cause no one's going in and sitting down and having their blood drawn, then put back into them for 20, 30, $40, uh, a session when they're doing well. Yeah. No, everyone down there is doing bad and it's. Well, if you want to, if you want to even go into like our, uh, like, if you

want to talk about Bernie, Bernie has a few houses, you know, like, right. Like at what point do we, do we legitimate? Like, uh, Alex rhetoric, baby. No, no, no. The, the Mexican president or, or president-elect, uh, Amla, I believe is his, uh, shortened, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, acrostic name, uh, his, his promise of like, I am going to turn the presidential house into a fucking museum. I'm going to live the way that I lived last week and I live the way that I

lived a year ago. I'm going to live at Getty museum might and then underneath it. Who knows what's fucking going on, but that, that kind of idea is like, yeah, duh, duh. But that's the kind of, why do you have so many people, that's the trick that populist leaders pull, right? But that's, that's the same thing that Trump does with, I'm going to donate my salary, right, but he's already a fucking, but, but like, when you're talking

about, when you're talking about Cortez versus, uh, uh, what, what was it? Crowley, I've already forgotten his name because he can go fuck himself. Uh, when you're talking about that, one of her big points is just like, you don't fucking live here. Right. You don't live with any of these people. What are you talking about in a, in a representative government? How can you represent people who live in a million percent different way than

you do, right? You know, so maybe that's the third point of it, but along with sending people to the Hague is, and I think that we're seeing the, the, the, the blossoms of it, the beginnings of it, um, in terms of like actual citizens going up for, uh, being representatives. Yeah. And I think that's always healthier than career politicians. And all of those people, people who have all of those themselves from high

school, all of those teams, all of those women, the people of color, all of them for whom the democratic party has voiced so much non-support in the past year. Hashtag, walk away. They try so hard to keep those people away from power. Yes. Wonderful. I don't know. Well, I mean, there's, there's a, there's, it's, it's, it's so much a one

step forward, two step backs, two step back situation. Well, I mean, sometimes survival means going through something really bad. Yeah. And perhaps the, the survival of the democratic party will be getting their comeuppance and recognizing that, like you were saying, people of color, women, uh, gay, uh, LB, LGBT folk, uh, they're the people who, whose voices need to be heard the most because they are the people who, um, are the most, um, at risk with, uh, liberal platforms not surviving.

Exactly. We have very little skin in the game. And if we were, uh, um, Craven manipulative weirdos, we should go to the right. Oh man, we would fucking, if we were, if we were, if we just only cared about that, then that would be the smart thing to do. See, that's, that's our problem. We are too smart to con people the correct way. We would feel bad about it.

We could fucking, if we just, I'd also say, I'm not interested in it. No, no, no, I know, but if we do with that, if we sat down and wrote a conservative playbook, we would fucking kill it. Hit me up, Roger. It would be so easy. Roger, Roger, you're probably, Roger, get up, your boy. We could fucking wreck your world. You don't even know.

Yeah. I mean, uh, we, if we sat down, you know, with a nice six pack, I think we could probably figure out a way, um, to mask liberal, uh, concerns in conservative talking points. Oh yeah. We could nail it. I think there's probably a way that all of these people seem to not be able to do, which thankfully they can't.

Yeah. They, they try. They're like, they try, but they're so bad at it. Cause they just can't, they just can't process that information as an effort. Yeah. And man, you see it over and over again at these Esther Turft, uh, social media attacks. Anyway, anyway, let's do it.

We have one more clip. Let's close this down. Um, but before we do that, I thought, I thought I had another clip about the Hammons, uh-huh. Um, and I was going to, uh, try and bookend the show by, uh, the, I didn't tell you everything about the Hammons. Oh no. And I thought that, how is there more to know?

I thought that I had another clip of Alex talking about how great they are. Serial arsonists who were very close to committing manslaughter. I have bad news. Stephen Dwight Hammond are also most likely child abusers. God damn it. So this is about their then 16 year old nephew, Steve's 16 year old nephew, Dustin. No, I don't want to know.

This is from a police report. I don't know. Dusty told me in the past several months, the discipline has gotten worse and worse. Dusty told me that two or three months ago he and Steve had gotten into an argument about how Dusty was doing his chores. Dusty stated that Steve became very upset and charged him. Dusty stated that Steve hit him in the chest with a closed fist, knocking

him to the ground. Dusty stated that Steve then took Dusty's face and rubbed it into the gravel. Dusty stated that this action hurt and made him fearful of Steve. The report says that when Dusty was caught with alcohol, Steve had driven him at least 10 miles from the ranch and made Dusty walk back. The report further states that when Dusty was caught with tobacco, Steve made him eat two cans of Skoll smokeless tobacco, then again drove him 10 miles

away from the ranch and made him walk back. On one occasion in 2004, Dusty had carved initials into his chest with a little pin, nothing that was going to give him a scar or anything like that. But, uh, did that, I don't know why people act out. He was young. Quote, then Dusty stated that Steve told him that he was not going to let Dusty deface the family by carving on himself. Dusty stated that Steve then took him and began to sand the initials off his

chest. Steve sanded on each side of his chest for at least five minutes. Steve used a very coarse sandpaper to sand off the initials. The report goes on, quote, Dusty told me that the process for really, you should have said trigger warning before starting this. Nope. I told me that the process was very painful because this is not okay, but that he did not cry.

I'm really not doing great because he knew that Steve would continue the process for a longer period of time. Quote, Dusty told me that Steve told him that if the sanding did not remove the initials, he would fillet the initials off Dusty's chest. Quote, Steve Hammond began by telling me that raising kids is like raising cows or dogs, the report says. As we're counted in the report, the Hammond's then suggested that Dusty himself was responsible for the severity of the wounds.

The Hammond's told me that after the sanding was completed, Dusty made the comment that he did not think the areas were sanded deep enough and thought that we should use steel wool to sand the areas some more. Interesting. Hey, so you remember all that stuff I said about how I would feel bad if I watched Mitch McConnell burn alive? That's gone. That's gone.

No, that's I'm out. I'm out. I can watch the worst things happen to that guy now. So I can legitimately watch the worst things happen to that guy. By the way, the people who are doing this to this 16 year old kid are the people who Trump just pardoned. I could. Oh my God.

So that was when he was 16. Fuck. So years later when he was 21, quote, when interviewed by federal agents, the 21 year old Dusty Hammond said that he feared that when Steve Hammond learned he had talked to police that Stephen would come to his front door and kill him. The papers said asked about their arsons. Dusty said, quote, Stephen started handing out boxes of strike anywhere

matches and said, we're going to light up the whole country on fire. Dusty told the jury, he said that Steve had pointed to a spot on the skyline and told him to head there, quote, just, he just said, start lighting them and walk in that direction until you run out. Dusty testified, quote, Dwight told me to keep my mouth shut that nobody needed to know about the fire. These guys are serial killers. That's what these guys are.

I mean, maybe not. Like you look, you look at the, you look at the same funny, funny story. Like this is the hillside strangler behavior. This is the same. The hills have eyes. All right. There you go. It's the same shit.

But these are psychopaths. But in that same story, when he was told to like, just keep dropping yeah, matches until you ran out, he did that. Dusty did that. And then he realized that he was becoming surrounded by fire and almost died trying to escape the fire that he and his uncle had started. Uncle and grandfather. That's this is profound familial abuse.

This is disgusting to hear this sort of thing. It's like all the arsons. Yeah, that's bad. You've caused a million dollars plus of damage to the United States. But that's fucking money. Well, no, but it's and it's covering up your yeah, and it's covering up your crimes and all that shit. Have you fuck.

This is indicative of like how you treat the people closest to you. Yeah, this is fucking unforgivable. This is this is I don't I don't know if you've ever read the road out of hell. No, it's a it's a story about a I don't even want to get into it. If you maybe read it, absolutely don't. But this is such that same story. It's that same story of this fucking abusive, monstrous family. Purely by evil will fucking corrupting this.

Oh, fuck, this is brutal. I know this is fucking brutal. No, I'm I'm I'm past it. I'm past it. All all of my previous like, hey, maybe no fucking burn these people alive. Yeah, I will watch this with fucking joy. Hey, Alex, I will watch it. If you burn sharp fucking Sheriff Arpaio or whatever that

that fucks needs to be lit on fire. Why is it that everybody that Trump has pardoned except for what's her face who Kim Kardashian? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, she seemed great. Fine. Why is it that everybody else needs to be burned alive? Why? And also, that's such a weird is a strategy to all of it. But yeah, the yeah, there is a strategy to all of it. I got it.

The other the other thing that I want to bring it a very, very, very, very sharp focus is the amount of play. Alex gets off of fears about these globalist child grabbing and abuse and networks and what have you. And when you really look at the reality of this sort of thing, the only that does exist, that's not the people who do it. But more importantly, that sort of thing does exist on some scale.

It's not as big as the abuse that's perpetrated by people who you know. Every time he talks about kids and cages, we've talked about this. The only stories you're ever going to find are parents who keep their kids in cages, yeah, with the exception of our border policy. Now, well, Dan Savage, Dan Savage has always brought up for the longest time how like conservatives are so angry about trans people using the bathroom that they identify with and who is the most likely to be assaulted or raped or sexually assaulted in those bathrooms.

Trans people, who who is the most likely to sexually assault somebody? It is your fucking youth pastor. Like these are the people who you are protecting so hard, who are the ones that are the very fear it's you are bitching about. It's people with access. It's people with positions of trust in people's lives are generally people who exploit that trust. Child molesters are what like 90% of the time somebody that the family

knows and trusts or like uncle in quotes, you know, like a friend of the family, that sort of thing. And I don't I don't want to give a lengthy treatise on this. But the reason that I think that this stuff is so important and I rebuke your trigger warning, although perhaps I should have brought it up. I didn't realize how offensive that might be. Just talking about this stuff that they did. No, no, no, I get you.

The reason that I think this is very important is because like the reality of child abuse in America is a lot of it is done by familial people and by people who are trusted, like we said, in the name of good parenting all too often. Alex creates this boogie man of this macabre network of Satanists and demons and what have you in order to get mad at a problem that he refuses to deal with. And like you said, I don't think that this is always the case,

but it does seem to track pretty well that a lot of the times the people he supports are the people who have this in their history. There are the people like what we have here. People like, I mean, he always talks about that damn plane. Yeah, you know, that fucking plane. We always complain about Clinton being friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Yep. As we've gone over multiple, multiple times.

Trump has been on that goddamn plane. Yep. Trump is good friends with him. Trump did an interview talking about how he likes his women young. Yep. Yeah, it's it's crazy. So like to me, this is like this is less interesting and more just like just stop, dude.

Yeah, just stop because I don't believe that Alex doesn't know this. I don't believe that. Um, you know what? That's a good question. I don't believe for a second he hasn't heard about this. And what he does is say fake news. Right. But I think people will bend over backwards

often to make any kind of excuse for somebody that they like. Right. Like, like they're and this is something that's in the don't. This is it. We don't like Obama and I want him to go to the Hague. Yeah, that's a good point. Me, too. Jordan, we got one more clip.

Ha, ha, ha. Yes, the dismount has arrived. And this clip, I would say, actually goes back to conspiracy theory. You were peddling earlier in the show. Oh, was I peddling? Backroom deals. Am I peddling conspiracy theories now? No, I don't think so.

That's not that's not fair to me. So it's about that idea that Trump and Anthony Kennedy had a backroom deal going on about this. Because they probably did. Well, Alex has Roger Stone on. So they definitely did. The moment Roger Stone is involved with a take, anything that he says is like, Oh, no, that's that definitely happened.

Well, it comes up. Roger Stone, we were talking just we only have a minute left for our go to the Paul Watson report about the fact that the White House doesn't deny report Trump made secret deal with Kennedy over retirement replacement. Well, that's think progress. They just didn't respond to it. But the whole point is if Kennedy's leaving and they end up putting his old law clerk in there, that would that would make sense.

It's not illegal of how Trump makes deals to get things done. Think progress is the single least reliable fake news site anywhere on the Internet. I want to be clear. I don't think he's totally wrong. I'm not a huge fan of the progress. But at the same time, if you're if you're targeted by Roger Stone as being the least trustable, most fake news site, you're doing something right. I would say they're not my go to for information.

No, I agree. So him getting mad at them like, All right, play the field, Roger. Anything they write is false. They cannot be taken seriously in any way. My point earlier was one of simple speculation. I don't know that that happened. But if it did, it would not be illegal. If the president told Justice Kennedy that he would consider his former

clerk Brett Kavanaugh, who everyone agrees is qualified. Giant, being the slightest bit inappropriate. So they are now having this conversation where they're like, now, if they did that, that wouldn't be bad, which makes me think they fucking did that if Trump did collude with the Russians. It's not illegal when I Trump did obstruct justice. It's not illegal. I told you if Trump pardoned people illegally.

That's not illegal. I told you earlier that I feel like there's no concrete footing for us to be on about this, the backroom deal and what have you. This one sounds concrete. Well, not concrete, not concrete. But boy, does it make me more think like, yeah, that probably. Oh, yeah, that definitely happened when I hear Alex Jones and Roger Stone sit around talking about like, well, if he did it, it's totally cool.

That means like, oh, no, there's something even more illegal going on. That's the evolution of Rudy Giuliani's public defense of Trump. Like, I mean, OK, so maybe he took meetings, but we don't get. We can't confirm that. OK, so yeah, we can confirm that he took meetings, but even if he did, that's not illegal. OK, so maybe those meetings were illegal, but illegal doesn't even mean anything. So maybe legal doesn't mean anything.

Anyways, he should be able to run everything forever, forever. Bye, I'm out. I'm Roger. I'm Rudy Giuliani. And after we go through all of that, then it's like, hey, I don't have any foreign clients anymore now that I'm in Trump's legal team. Oh, I still have foreign clients that are mysteriously sort of connected to Trump related things.

Yeah, I don't talk to Trump about my foreign client. It's not a big deal. I mean, yeah, I do talk to him about my foreign clients. And I mean, yeah, they are his foreign clients. It's no big deal. So, Jordan, this brings us to the end of this shit. Right, with Roger Stone totally telling us the truth. Or maybe not even truth he knows, but like preemptive damage control kind of truth.

See, I have come to the place where now I just instinctively believe that Roger A knows everything and B is lying about everything. Somehow, somehow Roger Stone has taken the just like I've called him a trickster God before I've called him low key. But fuck if it doesn't seem like he is everywhere always. But I also think he's wrong all the time. Like it's clear he was the one telling Alex that Napolitano was going to be the Supreme Court choice.

Right. But then we can always just rely back on him fucking with Alex for the fun of it. No, totally. But it's it's very unclear trying to figure out like where is like where is the line of fucking around? Where is the line of like this is what I care about? Right. Like because I was talking with Marty when he was in here about like what are

Stone's motivations and like I don't fucking know. I can't I can't they'll go down at all. No one does. No, he's he's a lunatic full of chaos. But it's interesting though, too, that like the trend is very clear within his chaos of being like I'm going to offer a preemptive explanation. Right. That'll allow for us to have a conversation when the truth comes out.

Yeah. That you can still sell your iodine. I'm going to tell you something and I'm going to leave enough open space for me to then tell you anything and you might believe me regardless. Like it doesn't matter any his starting point is like an open question. It's always he is he is such a psychic like he is such a palm reader where he's doing a cold read and then he's reacting based on what you're saying. Edward's not the former vice president.

Yeah, but also bull. Oh boy. Yeah. No, he's he's just doing that cold read and then the the react based on how you react to him and it is he's so good at it. He is he is a sleight of hand master. He's very good. Yeah.

But it's very good. That's what comes from decades of lying to people. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's got he's got the years and like we could lie to people. Right. We could fucking lie to people. I don't know if we could.

No, no, but we I'm saying we could. OK, maybe we wouldn't be good at it at first. But we could. Oh, if we put the work in. Yeah. OK, we could lie to if we did the the 10,000 hours. The Malcolm Gladwell towards lying. Well, I mean, you just skipped to the end of what I was trying to say.

He has. Yeah, exactly. He's put in that 10,000. Yeah. Yeah. And it's high stakes line. It's so good. Like we could I could lie to you.

I could lie to my roommates. I could lie to my friends. It wouldn't be as high stakes as him lying to the president of Ukraine. Or that's true. Like people forget that stone like it was a part of the stone Manafort. That's right. They did they did public relationship for despots. You know what they didn't.

They are no slouches in terms of fucking around and international politics. I'm going to be honest, though. I kind of think I would do way better at lying to the president of Ukraine than I would at lying to you. Well, because it'd be we know it's personal. Oh, I don't like that. It's personal because I also think it would be much more terrifying to lie to a president.

And so you would be on your toes. I would fucking it would be the delight of my life. I want to lie to a president before I die. You're wrong. Before I die, I want to lie to a president. Don't get me wrong. I respect that and I agree with you. But I think that the stakes of it being so high.

Yeah, bring your game face. You you bring the full power. It might emotionally hurt you later, but it would be easy because you think it'd be easy. I think it would. I don't know if I've ever lied to you. I really don't. I would have to I would have to think really hard about it at best.

My the best possibility for me to have lied to you would be like you were like, hey, do you want to do something tonight? And I'd be like, I got a gig that would be the most like that's the way I lie to my family lying about gigs. You know what? No, I would not lie to it. I lied to my family about having a gig. I would not lie to you about that.

I would tell you the truth. I'd be like, no, I'm not fucking. I'm not in for tonight. Right, right, right. Tonight is I'm ordering a shit ton of pizza and eating it sadly. I mean, maybe you and I are bad examples because like, why the fuck would we lie to each other? That's a good point.

You know, like again, the stakes are real low. Well, the depths of what we like, what the fuck am I going to judge you for? Yeah, right. Like, that's a good point. And at a certain point, once you once you've gotten that's not even a factor into the conversation. Yeah. Once you've gotten rid of all the shit you normally lie about, what do you got to

lose? Why lie at this point? Right. You know that I live my life the way I live. Yeah. You know, I live my life. Yeah. Done.

Neither of it's great. Move on. But there are people that you might want to impress that you could lie to. And I know I told you we're going to dismount and I don't know why we've got again, sidetracked so hard. I don't know, man. My point is that Roger Stone is a pro liar. So good at it.

That's great. It is it is such a but it's why I hate that he has become something of an anti he is fucking Walter White and breaking bad. He has become something of an anti hero to me. Psyler on heroes. I want to see, I want to see how far he can take it. Like I want to see what is it? What is the comeuppance for his level of life?

He's like the political smoky in the bandit. Yeah, yeah, he's just always he's just always going. He is always one step. He is Aladdin. He's one step ahead. It's incredible. I don't think that's true. No, I don't think so either, but he really pulls it off.

He's lying to us about his ability to lie. I think we're fantasy booking and like imagining what he's actually doing. I think he's much more of a shithead than than we're wrestling with, but it's more fun than anything else because the rest of it really is just like Alex pretending that he didn't say that Napolitano is going to be the Supreme Court justice and then being like Kavanaugh is great, even though he was involved with Bush in the stuff that Alex complains about big scale about Bush. Yeah, in terms of in definite detention, in terms of like saying that US citizens

who are deemed enemy combatants don't have rights, right? That sort of sort of stuff. Kavanaugh was fucking involved with that stuff. And then Alex not taking into account the reality of who the people the Trump are pardoning are, right? The fact that they are child abusers, the fact that they are arsonists and not in some sort of an innocent backburn kind of way. No, no, no, but but the reality is Alex doesn't give a shit.

And here's why. The principles that would guide him to be against these things aren't real. They're for show. The things that matter are that like Trump pardoning the Hammons is a tip of the cap to the militias. Yeah, it's a tip of the cap to the sovereign citizens. Agreed. The Bundy types.

Agreed. In the world. It and he gets it. Message received. Yeah. Thank you so much, daddy. Yeah. There's that.

Yes. That's a great way of putting it. Thank you so much, daddy. Kavanaugh coming in isn't Napolitano who's a nut. Kavanaugh's a nut. He's a nut. But Alex like really wrestles with it. He's like, yeah, this will probably score points in terms of the things that

I care about. He's not into immigrants. He hates women's the right to choose women's access to health care. He loves guns. So like those are the things that are real. The shit that's real is I want fucking guns all over the place and I don't like people who are different. Yeah.

The New York Times matter. The New York Times had a some some fuck some fucking fuck, right? The Liberals case for Kavanaugh. I saw it. I saw that headline. I said hard pass. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to know what it is like, like who fuck is shut the fuck up.

If you if you even pretend that that is a headline that is acceptable. Go fuck yourself. Are you shitting me? Yeah, a Liberals case for Kavanaugh. What's that? A Liberals case for running into a lake and then lighting yourself on fire and then hanging hanging yourself and then tying a rope to your fucking legs with a rock attached to it and then falling into that fucking lake and then

somehow underwater jerking off so hard you light yourself on fire again. The only way I accept that is if that article is like 50 something pages long. Yeah, and it's an extensive treatise about how liberal doesn't mean caring about people if Thomas Payne wrote it, right? And if it's nailed to a door, you know, like that's the only way if it's treaties, I don't want it on. I don't want it on a message board. I don't want on the internet, but if it's like, you know what?

We're in a different time. Right. Staple gun, right? Right. You know, like that's the only way I give a shit about that. And even so I read the biggest quibble with Martin Luther, no staple guns. No, that was the biggest issue I had with the whole the whole Protestant Reformation.

Yeah, no staple guns. God damn it. You know, like, this is something that's actually been fucking me up for a while. Staple guns? Kind of. Well, OK, I know what we got. Like advertising comedy shows. You I have a staple gun.

So like I put up signs on posts. You have a staple gun. Yeah, it's a license to use that. No concealed carry concealed carry. But I would put up, I would put up signs on like posts and stuff like that. Oh, I've seen a couple of times recently, people posting warnings about like reactionary neo-Nazi signs that people put up. And then they hide razor blades behind them.

So I've seen that too. Yeah, you get your fucked up. Yeah, terrifies me. Yeah, like that. I don't know why, but that this on a visceral level, that has fucked me up for days. Yeah, I've not encountered it. I don't really know if it's like endemic, but just the idea of it, right? So fucking like, right, that's so evil.

Here's here's the way I immediately react to that. That to me sounds exactly like the somebody's putting razor blades in your Halloween candy. It's possible, right? It sounds exactly like that. And yet at the same time, the people who are doing it seem like they would totally do that. And in fact, it bothers me that you said they might do that because I think the people who would do that are not smart enough to think of that idea.

And because you said that they might have done that idea, they're like, oh, shit, that's a great way to be more evil than we already are. But it's terrifying. That's the... It's terrifying. It's a modern terror. Terrifying. Holy shit.

That's how white we are. The most terrifying thing that we are aware of is razor blades behind flyers. I'm much more terrified about a lot of other things, but like on a visceral level. Because I've been cut by things and stuff like that. I know that like, I felt that moment and I never want to feel it again. Or like being surprised by something like, yeah, the momentum is all like the adrenaline is going in one direction and then it immediately changes. Like that's...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No thanks. No. Hard pass. Yeah. Just like the Liberals argument for why fuckpuck but buckfuck is okay for the Supreme Court. Wonderful summation.

Yeah. I thought you were just going to do some scat. You kinda did. You just did a beep-bop-boop-boops. Buckpuck. Big fuckfuck muffets. I didn't think you were going to land on Supreme Court. I thought you were just going to...

You didn't think it was a boop-boop-boop-boop-boop. No, come on. I'm no Ella Fitzgerald. No, but you are on par with Scatman John Rest in Peace. Scatman! Scat-ba-da-ba-da-boop-boop-boop. All right. Man, Scatman John was a fucking liberal.

I know. Rest in Peace. Was. Man. You ever hear that song, Scatman's World? For somebody who is really interested in the dismount. Mm-hmm. All right.

All right. No, I am not. Are you, you are not going to play it right now. Oh my God. Knowledge Fight listeners. Dan is plugging in his fucking phone. We're not even going to wind up doing a solid who's going to go fuck themselves.

We're going to be too busy listening to this entire goddamn song while Rome burns, Dan. Dan, Rome is burning. As we speak, Kavanaugh is going to be accepted as a Supreme Court justice. We're going to wind up dealing with this fuck for at least another eight years before eventually somebody burns this fucking country to the ground.

Right. Could be us, could be them, could be whomever. But this country is going to be burned to the fucking ground if Kavanaugh is accepted as a Supreme Court justice. That's very important. But more important is my point right now. The Scatman John is a goddamn liberal. Was a goddamn liberal.

Rest in Peace. OK. This song, Scatman's World. OK. Paints a picture. All right. That I believe should be all of our YouTube. I'm going to go home now.

No, you're not. You're going to finish that beer. Scatman's World. Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop, Bop. I like how when we have arguments that are off topic, you're like, boo, how dare we? And then you just play this fucking song. Wait. If you are a regular knowledge fight listener, how bored is Dan by the present modern day, Alex Jones?

He is so bored he's playing Scatman World or whatever the fuck it is. He's calling out from Scatland. He's calling out from Scatman's World. All right. If you listen to him, you got to learn to break free. You got to learn how to see your fantasy. Now, there's a lot of window dressing in terms of the scatting. In terms of that, and the weird synth beat and what have you.

But listen to what he's actually saying. Listen to what he's saying. I'm amazed you're still doing this bit. Listen to what he's saying. Really shocked by this bit. This is how. This is. Your story is told.

I'm on a welcome to Scatman's World. This is how knowledge fight ends. Not with a bang, but with the Scatman. Did you not hear his lyric right there? If part of your solution isn't the pollution that I don't want to hear your stories told, I want to welcome you to Scatman's World. All right, all right, all right. All right, Dan, I think if you wanted to look us up and hear more about Scatman's World,

you could go to our Twitter account. We're all calling out from Scatland. Your website is KnowledgeFight.com. It's a good website. You can go to Twitter account at Knowledge Underscore Fight. We're also on Facebook. We are. You can go home and tell your mother you're broke.

Rest in peace, Scatman. John. Yep. And iTunes. Leave a review. Also, look up Scatman. John. Leave a review on his page as well as ours.

He's pretty cool. I love that hat. I didn't like that hat. But be that as it may. Jordan, I had to choose. No, I didn't. But it's your turn. All right.

Fair enough. Lot of shit. Lot of shitty people here. You know what? I don't think I heard the end of it. Did you guys, did you and Marty choose who to go fuck it? We did. I believe it was Vince Russo.

It was Vince Russo. Well, I'm not going to. Vince Russo got told to fuck them. I'm not going to re-up on that one. No. There's so many people who are terrible in this episode. We got two Hammons. Two different Hammons.

I don't know. We got Alex. We got Kavanaugh. We got so many people who suck. You know what? But the reality of this is. If you say Scatman, I'm going to dive over this table. I'm not going to fucking kill you.

I'm not going to do that. I wouldn't even dream of doing that. You know that Mike Hanger is genuine. I know. I have to say, whoever began. Ooh. We also got Stan Dayo. He's in the mix.

Stan Dayo's in the mix. But you don't know. Well, you do. I think whomever in the Hammond family who began that tradition of abuse that led to these psychopaths continuing this endless destruction of lives with no concern is ultimately deserving of the biggest go fuck yourself along with the Hammons themselves who, again, I will watch burn

alive. I agree with you. That's incredibly vague. But I will join you on three, one, two, three. Go fuck you. Go fuck yourself, Hammons. Yeah, we are not synchronized. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.