Knowledge Fight - #180: Heresy and God Kings

Episode Date: July 13, 2018

Today, Dan takes Jordan for a hard side-tour to talk all about the time that Jim Bakker had Paula White-Cain on his show and revealed how badly he wants to have sex with a pen. Also, Dan tells a fun story about church camp. Also...turns out the band Journey sucks more than you think.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes I sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed. We are Dan. Mm-hmm Dan What? Uh, if you were just just some fucking guy just like taking a motorcycle ride From the east coast to the west coast. Sure inner inner continental Across the continent. I use the wrong word in truck continental, right? Or whatever

You did read the whole thing Dan. Who are we? I know a lot about Alex Jones I don't know anything about Alex. We got to get a new introduction for this show. Yeah, this one's getting this one's getting unwieldy I'm tired of it. Me too. I feel like you're tired of it based on you having to do all the heavy lifting of it Let me just respond to you With the same thing and also I think that I Think that no law of I mean the criticism has been levied that you do know a lot about Alex Jones And that's fairly accurate. That's true. That's also I think we need to even just change the introduction of we sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones because

At this point there are much more topics that we're covering. We have evolved a long long way I think that maybe two years ago whenever we started this whole thing up about perfect intro about two years ago I was a bit more Mentally unwell Perhaps and I had a much bigger tolerance for listening to Alex Jones, right? And he wasn't nearly almost as a self-flagellation kind of situation He wasn't nearly as awful as he is in the present and we know say awful. I mean boring like I could still listen to his 2016 shit all day. I wouldn't have a problem with that

But something has changed and it's not as it's not as satisfying to me anyway It's very boring and a waste of my time and further as we've gone along I have come to the point where and I we've talked about this here and there that The bigger revelation that we've learned From watching him and studying him is that like he is a piece of a larger ecosystem And this is really our bigger message I believe is that almost everybody who is a In a speaking role on the right is a con person. They're all trying to defraud people

Yeah, that is the that is the name of the game He is a symptom of a bigger thing right and as we go through like you might want to say the project Camelot isn't right wing But boy it is yeah, there's that if you look at the the Venn diagram of guests who have been on both Yeah, yeah, there's that end of it. We've expanded it even more and I want to expand it to talk about other very Very clear hucksters not to say that we're gonna leave Alex Jones or anything like that But I feel like we're in this like I Don't I don't I don't feel like it's a holding pattern or anything like that But I feel like we're on the cusp of evolving into something new

Uh-huh. Well not Lee not not abandoning what we have been but I Think I think I can speak for both of us and say that it's not pleasant to do episodes about the present day I I think what you just described is that we have outgrown the small pond that is Alex Jones's bullshit Maybe intellectually yeah, yeah, and again That's not to say leave Alex in the dust because I still think he's the easiest person to Illustrate a lot of these truths about but at the end of the day. I need to In order for me to treat this like a job and to continue moving forward One of the things that I need to do is have some sort of intellectual exercise to it

there needs to be some kind of rigor to it that makes it like challenging and Compelling otherwise. I'm going through the motions of like. Oh, here's Alex saying something That's not true that we've talked about over and then we try and fill in the gaps by saying everyone should go to the Hague You're basically saying is that as Alex has gotten more and more boring to you So has this job somewhat turned into a little bit of like a now of like a knowledge fight Starbucks or it's like really I'm going in and I'm making coffee again. No, that's not fair the same fucking coffee All right, that's not fair the show isn't that I still Think about this but his job

But for yes for me to sit down and like listen to anything current it is that it is a slog And it's just like why am I even doing we need to we need to bring you some fulfillment in life, Dan? So my way this introduction I guess is my way of saying that as we move forward there may be I don't know There might be tweaks. We haven't really had a conversation about exactly what we need to do No, we don't really have off-air meetings or anything, but I do feel the need and if you know A moment to any input from listeners if anybody has any ideas. I would love to hear what you think we should become I'm not going to take your problem with you millennial podcast hosts. You're always talking about Fulfillment you're always talking about all this shit, you know the older generation of podcast hosts

They would go to work. They would toil in their coal podcasts for eight hours a day Home to a wife they hate and they would fucking deal with it Dan goddamn Millennials You're ruining the podcast industry. I really could hear Adam Corolla saying that yeah Actually, yeah, I wish I was a farther away from what somebody might say back in my day when I started Why don't people think I'm relevant anymore so anyway matter what we're gonna keep going full steam ahead as a As a show and maybe you won't even notice the incremental changes that happen. Who knows just like creeping fascism exactly Yeah, so something that is not creeping is a new Great transition. Thank you. Like you have a shout out to a new donor. Thank you so much B. I'm a policy walk

Thank you so much. We appreciate it. Thanks me. Generally. I hate things that are bees as they scare me Little insects because it cuz it's stand by me It's the sassy sister film now I think I got stung by a bee when I was really young and I assumed it hurt like That much, but I was just a kid, you know, right things hurt more when you're a kid I imagined that like getting stung by a bee as an adult would almost incapacitate me, but I realized now I probably would be probably just be I was when I was a when I was a kid I was like five years old and this is a weird story about my dumb family thrilled thrilled to hear this

I was playing like a little like a wiffle ball with my grandfather and I was like five years old and They were there was we had a bassist system that was built around the trees And he decided that third base was the tree that had a giant beehive on it But he didn't tell me that boom. He knew about it. He specifically knew about this in advance This was not an unheard of thing and he was like Frank. He's like no, and he was like, yeah Yeah, we're just gonna go and don't even worry about it. Jeez. So I hit the thing I'm running around the bases touch and third like a fucking baller Bee bam like three of them stung me right on the top of my head. Wow. Yeah now

That's a boring story. That is however I learned that my grandmother at one point in time either knew how to make a poultice had heard of a poultice or Just put some shit into a boiling pan and then put it on my head Okay, it was one of the weirder things I've ever she has exhibited Zero down home country wisdom except for that one except for one poultice and thank God she was there It has never been it. I swear to God. It never happened before it has never happened afterwards I feel like if I knew how to make poultices, I would be doing that shit all the time

I feel like you just want to say poultice You'll have many opportunities on this episode Dan, do you have a bug bite? I don't if you did and I had poultice making abilities Covered that shit. It'd be like Jack Spratt and his wife. Yeah So Jordan, like I said, we're not gonna be talking about Alex Jones today We're gonna be dipping our toe into another weird world and we all know we all know this guy We met him a little bit in a recent episode and here's an outer context drop from today's episode It does get weary raising money all the time because you just got to do it to pay the bills

Yeah, yeah Yeah, that is rough Jim Baker Thanks, Jim. We we really uh, boy. It does get weird. That's a boy That is the most ridiculous thing that you could say right as a rich dumb-ass fucking human being right? Absolutely as someone who most of your life is co-opting scripture and shit like that in order to get money Yeah, your primary motivation is getting the money. It's not really about the Christianity aspect of it So I imagine they would be tiresome Anyway, it's it's very wearying to do this job

And I can't tell you what that job is because this job is Gaming you by asking you for money, but I wish I I wish I hadn't said the last part. Hey, it's time for money So today Jordan on our first venture into the world of Jim Baker and the new Jim Baker show We went over an episode where I had fellow Alex Jones guest Steve quail To give a sort of a concrete bridge between the Alex Jones show right Jim Baker show right and today I have a different guest That will create more of a philosophical bridge Ben jaker. Nope. Okay. Nope. Oh, that'd be great Or if yeah, yeah, or if you just came out like rainbow snatch

Oh, I could totally see him doing if he did like a Count point counterpoint bit that Didn't Steven Colbert didn't cold If he did that that'd be fucking fantastic Love it. Oh man, that was some good parody It was good stuff didn't change anything. No, he really nailed it and so far it is still kept going I don't still just yelling no at each other. Yep. So here is where we start and we get the announcement of this guest

Who I'm almost certain you've never heard of but will infuriate you to know it'd be amazing if I do this personally Today's very special guest Baker Yeah, what their announcer is their kid. What? Yeah And also, holy fucking shit also co-host is putting it incredibly strongly Tabi Sue Baker doesn't say word one through this fucking thing. She's very silently just at the table But so do you know Paula white Kane or Jonathan Kane are no, I will start with John really unhappy about this whole She's she's the announce the kid is the announcer for the show that so not always

But she's there. Yeah, she's usually there, but she's an adult So if I understand correctly she as an adult did not divorce her name from her parents name forever and ever in perpetuity no instead she was brought back in like a Like returned to the dynasty of evil peddling well con men sure she becomes her own fucking Don I'm sure Yeah, on the the food bucket Comes in oh gotta get that food bucket money So I'll start it's a year's worth of food every time she opens up her mouth

And it only one time a show and she says here are my parents So I I'll start with Jonathan Kane because it's gonna blow your goddamn Hey, hey, Jonathan Kane doesn't talk much during this episode So we're not gonna talk Extensively about him on a Christian show the man not talking does blow my mind a little bit Would you believe that Jonathan Kane is one of the main? members of the band journey He's not the you know what yeah

Yeah, you know what yeah, he's not gonna tell you this right now Dan. Yes He's not the original keyboard player, but he was the keyboard player during their main run So he's right in credit on don't stop so easy. He's don't stop believing Jonathan Kane Okay, all right, and they do have him play it live What yeah, they haven't sit down at a piano and play I don't stop leaving like come on He's not he's not the guy who sings. He's a decent voice But no Arnell Panetta no or Steve Perry Steve's not coming to this show Steve is not coming to that But it's really weird because it's like well, I mean, this is it. This is a guy. This is like a like he's a

Yeah, he has writing credits on most of their hits. I mean There's a difference between yes, he is rich as fuck yeah, okay That's why because I hope you're not saying that he's like a famous guy He is I mean he's not in like terms of like Recognizability or anything like that right most people don't know his name or couldn't pick him out of a lineup exactly But he's super rich and people who love journey know who he is So you probably could get a lot of backstage action and people who love Jersey are really easy to get rid of To divorce from $40. That is what the I know about journey fandom is that they will send $40 to just about anywhere

I mean if I pay 40 bucks for tickets to see journey at this point Send 40 bucks in for food. Oh, yeah, give me a year's worth of food or a shot at journey Whatever you got so I don't I don't know what his story is necessarily they talk about how he and Paula white Kane Matt and apparently they I don't know something about they were on the same plane and she talked to him the whole time and I think from what I From what I can imagine he probably was tired of the Rockstar life or something like that Maybe had some problems and she's a very strong woman. Let's say okay Commandeering perhaps. She's a bit motherly. Maybe I don't I wouldn't like that

If she was my mother, I wouldn't like that at all. No, but I think that maybe she Corrected some of his the lifestyle issues that oh did he did he even wait? Did he convert like is he a little yeah? Oh, he's he's gone evangelical like he's born again. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's that guy. Oh, yeah Oh, that guy's fucked. Oh, yeah, that guy never had a chance and from what I can tell you still in journey So good for him But not for much longer after this. I mean this this was this is from 2017 So it's a way it's a little ways back this appearance But they also the only other thing I really know is they got married three times, which is they have a nice fun line

It's like, you know, he said he was never gonna we were never gonna get married and then we married three times like that seems I don't know what that means. There's had three weddings. They're mostly love weddings. Oh, so oh, no Well, then you just had you just got married once and then had three parties My prediction is that it's actually also Paula White Cane's third husband. And so maybe she was trying to undo the other ones Like yeah, I've been married three times. I married you three times. She gets a redo. Okay. All right I've got to undo all that loophole in the I did not expect and God's law. Yeah, even God's like shit I didn't think of that. So you don't know anything about Paula White Kane. I do not know anything about Paula White Kane

Like saying Paula White Kane, it's not bad. So we'll get I don't know Let's see if you can have some context clues you can pick up as we go along. I don't like your Cheshire cat grin We're so Grateful that you could come by. I know your schedules extremely busy. Yeah Preaching last night till almost midnight. Yes. And so here you are here You're catching a plane in another hour or so going somewhere else, but you have unbelievable energy We you know, God is so good It says he gives us boundless energy and I believe when we we really surrender, of course

We do write things we we try to eat right and exercise and take care of our ourself But also it's really the life of Christ in us and I've got to say how could I not come here? I am sitting with one of the greatest generals that God has ever raised The greatest rapist and I I thank God I have always the countless lives you've paved the path for so many of us and sometimes people forget really the significance and and

Who you are spiritually? So what I think she's saying there that I find very interesting is like you've paved the path I just wrote that down you've paved the path wrote that down so fast the moment she said that I was like Oh, we're in for a you guys are gonna fucking do your dance on us Well, because the path that he paved is a really lucrative business So she is a televangelist and Also adherent of the prosperity gospel. Oh, what a surprise So it's almost like they know each other. Yeah, and you know, of course

So the the the idea of you know, you paved the path is that you you made it possible for people like me to scam millions of dollars from people, right? And yeah on TV now, let's not lie Evangelicalism has been scamming millions upon millions upon millions of people It is scammed almost as many people as malaria has killed throughout Christianity's history. Yeah That's just that's just like you go back to the beginning man The revivalist tense of the early 1900s were fucking packed. It was insane. Mm-hmm the yeah It's it's ridiculous. The Christianity is all scammed

But these guys are so fucking good at it and they put on a good show. They do a little dance They do some singing then you got a worry about the guy from journey's there Yeah, wait the guy from journey married a televangelist. We got a really hammered this Thought home for me. So yeah, you just got to let that go. I don't know if I can I don't understand people who bury Evangelists. It's very weird. It seems suspicious But so she used to be the pastor of this this Tampa church called without walls International Church And this story here from 2014 citing millions and liabilities without walls International Church is seeking bankruptcy protection a move a major lender Asserts and court papers is an attempt to dodge a foreclosure judgment

Yeah, the California based evangelical Christian credit union says the Tampa mega church owes it 29 million dollars It calls without walls filing for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on March 5th They quote litigation tactic to prevent foreclosure on the West Columbus Drive Church And also a shuttered church in Polk County So at the time she was preaching the prosperity gospel and you know making tons of money From this this church, right and then mysteriously somehow they're 29 million dollars in debt when she's living a amazing lifestyle Jet-setting it does seem odd. Well the prosperity that God is providing for as I could do it the church itself

Wait much itself is like 29 million dollars. No, but that but the God wouldn't allow that church to go $29 in debt It's the congregants fault. He appointed his very own credit union to lend her money Well, I mean, it's it's the congregation's fault that she had plenty of faith, but she was let down By the parishioners and the other people who came to church and that's why the church would be able to be you know That's why it would go under but while she still is doing quite well Her faith is too good. Absolutely. Okay, so she and then she after that ended up running a church Which he still runs now called the New Destiny Christian Center in a popka Has that he near Orlando has that church been like are the proceedings still is it still litigated?

Are they still fighting it out? Is she I don't know about that Is that even her real name anymore? Did she change her name and burn everything down like like Kaiser so say like what's going on She's Paula white cane. So look my point is more that like, you know, all right We got the sort of traditional backstory of Huxter preachers. Oh, yeah, who who end up wrecking everything in the wake? To that much like Trump bankrupting businesses and walking away with money or any of these abusive capitalist fucks just like it says in the Bible Absolutely, so she has that in her in her background and that only makes it make crystal clear sense why this happens

It seems like you're at the White House every day We're on a little committee thing. Yes, and we call in and you're always on the phone from the White House to yes, sir I am I try to make it up at least every week. We do sometimes. I'm up there several times And you guys pray we pray. I know the world don't like praying, but we love praying You know a lot of people our president loves prayer I would never forget we were oh John wasn't doing a show still so I went to the Kennedy Center for the Faith and Freedom And I loved it because he went off script for a while and and he just said let me tell you something as long as I am president You will pray and you can always pray at your football games. You can pray in school. You can pray. I loved it

I was just like Oh Whoever thought of making prayer illegal no one I am now not super much now not private Yeah, oh so illegal so if I if I catch you praying Uh, unless it's to any any of any number of gods Uh, just just this one just whatever prayer you are saying to Jim Baker and Paula whites god illegal Well, see here's the thing Paula white is maybe Trump's spiritual center

Uh, she's the one who gave him empty. She gave Morally and But just empty she gave the benediction at Trump's inauguration. She gave a really great at Trump's inauguration Really? She was one of the pastors that came and laid hands on him The photo ops and she's not a pastor though. She's a con woman. Well, but that's part of it, man This is all like this is endemic. This is the system that we have Operating right now the right wing and especially, you know Things like this this version of the right wing is all Beholding to cons everyone's running cons and so they work together on these cons

How can I elevate you while you elevate me falsely it all it's it's all interconnected con people helping each other I think we didn't we used to have a system where it was every con man for himself We got fucked whenever they teamed up. Yeah They teamed up like a mother fucking blockbuster and they are running rampant honest They didn't realize that they could oceans 11 the world They you you did they went from politics or they started a religion or politics or whatever. They just they just fucking Expanded everywhere like a goddamn evil octopus Fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's wild. So one other problem is that um, and I mean this literally

Paula white is a heretic okay Like she was excommunicated from a church and she'll be put to death as soon as possible ability I don't know about the death part, but she should be excommunicated because she's made many statements that deny the nicyon creed Okay, which if you don't know is one of the foundations of christian dogma I do not know the nicyon creed and the uh, the apostles creed are foundations that pretty much every branch of christianity follows I only respect the assassins creed dan. I understand that and I I uh, respect, uh, your

So, um, the everything is permitted. So the nicyon creed goes, uh, basically a little something like this Uh, we believe in one god the father almighty the maker of heaven and earth and things visible and invisible And in one lord jesus christ the son of god the begotten of father and god the father the only begotten That is the essence of the father god of god light of light true god of true god Uh begotten and not made and of the same nature of the father and by whom all things came into being in heaven and on earth Visible and invisible so there's a lot more and this is the armenian version, but it's the same as It's spiritually the same as the other versions Which the essence of the nicyon creed comes down to the idea that jesus christ was the only son of god

And he was of the same material as god right those things are incredibly important for every branch of christianity It's pretty it's pretty big pretty much every branch of christianity There's probably a couple examples that are way on the fringe Really want to talk about how great that jesus guy with ever without ever like Hey, what jesus did was great like let's not talk about that though. Let's not apply what jesus did to anything else He was great. Mm-hmm. Let's never talk about what he did So multiple times paula white has made the statement that quote jesus is not the only begotten son of god He is the first fruit and things like that. How does that work? Well, it's meant to imply

It's sort of like uh, you're all jesus. Well, here's Are are we going back to like the genetic line of jesus's no Okay, it comes back to cons Okay, because first fruits is an idea that people from the prosperity gospel in the evangelical world really abuse They have this and especially paula white. She does this all the time This idea that first fruits belong to god So she encourages people who watch her shows to give their first month salary of the year to the church Because you give a sacrifice of the first fruits and that assures more plentiful harvest

For the rest of the year because you know god's going to provide for you if you provide for the church So even the phrasing that she's using in these times when she's talking about Jesus wasn't the only son of god. He was the first fruit that was god offering the first fruit as sacrifice In order to have a more plentiful harvest later Which would imply that there are more sons of god, which is a direct counter to the nicy and creed and Is part of the heresy that the council of nicaa came together to correct, right? So all of this stuff like she is Way outside christianity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like even even with like even within the prosperity gospel Which is way outside of christianity. I don't think creflo a dollar would be a heretical nah

Like it's it's one thing to lust after money so much that you make it this overt about like, you know, give me all this money Blah blah blah you show up on jim bakers fucking show it is wearying to ask for so much absolutely so tiring It's so tired. Oh, but that's you know It's it's super important like a lot of people have written about this about how like It's so offensive that trump would have her give the give the prayer Yeah, and even like christian folk are like If he had a buddhist or a hindu person or a muslim give a prayer That is not offensive. What is offensive is someone who believes in a heretical version of christianity, right?

Presenting themselves as christians. Yeah, uh in in a way that like is It's dangerous to the uh, the faith of the church. No, alistair probably gave my uh, uh benediction whenever I was baptized perfectly fine Yeah, totally fine. There is no problem. There's only one true law It's a good good good prayer So this this is a bit of a problem fucking yeah This is a bit of a problem for holy shit. Paula white. She is a heretic Uh, who has apparently also bankrupted churches, right and uh now Is trump's favorite preacher and uh, I I don't know why they would see a lot of themselves in each other

Kind of like game recognized game It's a little bit like that So in this next clip she talks about how she's been friends with trump for a really long time I don't like that either. Um, and man, I'll tell you what you might not know this trump loves prayer I've known our president for 16 years. I'm sure we'll get into that but in 2011 to show you that's next question Yes, sir to show you that the the how much our president loves prayer in 2011 by this time I've had an extended relationship with him. He calls me up and he says Well, I'm thinking about running for president

He said would you bring some men and women of god to really pray? I need to hear from god Now he wasn't saying bring them around because I want to vote or I want this. He said I really want to hear So I brought about You know, we went in and we we just we stayed for six hours Praying talking about god praying talking about what our where our nation was praying six hours In 2011. So the next day calls me up. He says What do you think god's saying? I said, I don't believe it's time I said, let's keep praying

Because he had to make a decision within 24 hours that affected some things with the network and some Some businesses that he's doing and so we continued to pray and he said paula just have the prayer groups pray And what he was asking was I really want to do what god has for me So we should talk a little bit about 2011 So so trump did trump did really play around with running for president in 2011 Oh, yeah, I recall he's played around with running for president since he was like nine Yeah in an article from the guardian quote in a statement He said quote after considerable deliberation and reflection have decided not to pursue the office of the presidency

This decision does not come easily or without regret, especially when my Potential candidacy continues to be validated by ranking at the top of the republican contenders and polls across the country Nice nice way to end it trump in spite of trump's claims about being frontrunner in the polls one published monday by politico And george washington university showed 71 of those surveyed thought he had no chance of becoming president simpler time Much better much better in 2011 donald trump got roasted on comedy central by such comedy heavyweights and real life Donald trump uh friends as snoop dog larry king and the situation from the jersey shore Also, that did happen, didn't it also trump was a real asshole during that roast

This is uh from someone who was there behind the scenes information quote Trump complained that the woman he was supposed to hand his coat to on stage wasn't hot enough He demanded the jokes implying he's not as rich as he says he were were off limits Roasters were told to refer to him only as mr. Trump Hair jokes were also apparently off limits until one was written that managed to tie in his wealth Into the punchline and even then the net worth used in the joke became a negotiation He was a complete shithead. All right, doesn't sound like a man of god This lady i give my coat to isn't hot enough. Yeah, but that's cause she but he was talking in spiritual terms

You could feel that she wasn't praying that much dan. That's possible. That was the she or her or her heat for god Colt interesting theory. Oh, that's a possible. I need a godly matron To hand me my coat when I walk up there. I want a woman wearing Uh, I'll be god damned if it isn't uh, uh fucking Shit, what's the show? What are you talking about the roast handmade stale. Oh handmade stale. That's what I was that's what I was reaching for sure It's also funny that uh, snoop dog was one of the people who roasted him and now in uh, the present day Alex Jones screams about snoop dog making that video where he puts a gun to trump's head and the bang flag comes out

Isn't it funny that it's kind of like oh everyone's just uh, this is all fake I think it's funnier that snoop dog hosts the game show I think he's hosted a few Has he I think he's very car very charismatic very charming never watched one. I kind of want to so also in 2011 That was the year when uh, president obama and seth miers humiliated donald trump at the correspondence dinner And a lot of people believe that's what motivated him to try and run for president in earnest I don't know if I necessarily believe that 100 but uh, it fits attraction. It's something that a lot of people seem to believe also, um

um I don't know. I don't This is so stupid the idea that he's like I just need everybody to pray back in 2011 And like we know what he was doing in 2011. This is all bullshit. And yeah, let's talk about no Let's talk about what he would have done in 2011 Uh, first of all, he was never going to run because he knew barack obama was going to fucking win against anybody He didn't want to be humiliated by losing in that election Not if only he had no, I don't think any amount of cheating could have uh bolstered now

He would he would have gone down that one in the social media infrastructure They had probably wasn't nearly as good as it needed to be in order to sway people as well as it did But trump in 2011 talked about dreamers on fox and friends quote You have people in this country for 20 years. They've done a great job. They've done wonderfully. They've gone to school They've gotten good marks. They're productive separate them from their parents now. We're supposed to kick them out of the country Yeah, I don't believe in that. Yes, you do I mean it does now Yeah, well he he spent another six years watching fox and friends having this crazy broad

Exactly So this this story she just told is Complete fabrication. I mean, I bet there's no way any of this is true. I bet they knew each other I don't think trump has an attention span that according to every report. We've heard from his Outgoing staff. It's like he has an attention span of hi trump And then he runs away and scurries under a hole in christ his dementia might not have been as bad seven years ago Well, that's possible. That's possible. That's that's an element to consider. That's possible But then also like uh, yeah, I think I think most of the fundamentals of this are the embellishment of tele

Evangelism. Yeah, I don't think I don't think this is true at all. I think it's like I have my horse here I have my guy that is my guy and I'm going to do everything I can in order to create this backstory Where we're intimately involved and he's been on the right side of things forever Right, because if I don't I have to wrestle with the fact that I have chosen To take this con man and believe all these positive things about him when the evidence is all to the contrary And in 2011 he didn't even believe in the principles. I'm thrilled. He's enacting now In terms of what you do with uh with immigrants and the but what she's got to rely on Is the rules of the code she's got the con man's code as long as she's

Helping him out. Yep. He's gonna corroborate whatever dumb shit. She says yep. You just doesn't even matter like oh Yeah, you know, we we prayed for seven hours. Wait. Did she say six? It was 10 hours It it doesn't fucking matter. She probably just didn't realize she was in a prayer trance. Yeah, this is a Lost a few hours. This is a imaginary televangelist. Oh, but of course it is. They're all liars This is such a lie though. It's so bleak. Why do you expect How do you buy this? Who are these people? It's pretty crazy So at this point, uh, paula goes on to talk a little bit

the crowd They love it so, um Paula wants to she's in the middle of a story here The rest of the story isn't really all that important. It's kind of just more about praying with trump and stuff like that So you'll notice that it's a little bit jarring. We come in in the middle of the story But the only thing that's really important is what she says at the end Which is one indication that everyone should be like this person is nuts

And then within minutes, right? He calls in and he says Send paula out to pray So now I'd already been praying for six hours because the lord said you're going to like hands on him And so we go in of course melania baron and some others were around him and the family And I just started praying him and I'm just telling you given Well, I'm gonna say what I'm what I'm gonna say what I did. I said prophesying. I started speaking prophetic decorations and praying No, don't clap yet. Don't clap yet wait until there the prophecy is said They made a cut there too in the vio that jim baker put out

They just went to applause and then him changing the subject. I don't know. I don't know if she explained So she may have said what prophecy she said and then they cut it So people so it looked like people were clapping that she had done it in the first place Not what she had prophesied was like and this guy I believe that trump is going to make this a whites only nation and then everybody clapped But in the broadcast you can't clap. I mean, yeah, you can't let her say that part I don't know if she ever gives any specifics on the prophecy stuff and I know that she does talk about one thing I don't know if I have the clip of it here

But she talks about how like when she came to god when she was a we 18 year old or so I think I think that's her backstory after she heard don't stop believing for the first time Heard those soft keys Um, also he has a writing credit on faithfully. That's pretty exciting Um, but anyway Oh man, there's a clip there's a clip that I don't have because it was from a different video that they put out But uh, lori baker is talking about how back when she she apparently has a real rough backstory Oh, yeah, she has a she did some drugs in the past. So she's also born. She's born again

Yeah, yeah, and so like she's talking about how they used to listen to journey and she's talking about like Back in that day. I was living wild. We had like drug paraphernalia on the tables But we would be we would be up late We would be up late with our drug paraphernalia But even though even though we were doing drugs we would still turn on christian tv sure sure sure And like I can relate to that. Yeah, you can enjoy that as long as you're doing drugs It's the when you're not doing drugs and you put that on that you're in real trouble Well back when I was like first started smoking we me and my buddies what we would do is we would try and sync up music to this guy

Uh, I don't remember his real name, but isn't it we called him the rev He was a televangelist in central missouri, right and he was very like he did a lot of hand gestures and stuff like that Yeah, yeah, so we tried to find music that would sync up perfectly with him So we could mute him and watch him dance to music now. That's great. Yeah, so I mean I get it. We would do that I don't think that's what I don't understand why drugs are illegal period What what should be illegal is whatever it is she's doing drugs That make whatever she's doing impossible to look at i'm fine with so anyway when she was younger She had a prophetic vision uh that she said god gave her

Yes, and that was that she was going to be on all continents um and that whenever she would speak People would be saved and miracles would happen But if she closed her mouth all the evils of the world would uh would happen and shit like that So basically just like a sort of a allegorical explanation for why she doesn't shut up Kind of all right Listen, I know I don't mean this to be like this this lady is mouthy. No, I know that's the problem

The problem is she has got a spot where it's it's hard to attack her without Sounding without dipping into the misogynistic language. I'm not I'm not I'm not on board with any of that But I will say anybody wants to go listen to these episodes Please uh go for it and then feel sad for me trying to edit this stuff together Like or like trying to find points where I can stop it because like she doesn't ever stop talking She just takes little breaths and then goes to new thoughts. It is just a rambling like it's clearly she's on something Like she's probably on Adderall or something right right and just like Well, she's got a long flight. She's traveling a lot. She's got to do some uppers

It turns out that her husband is the guy from journey. So she knows a guy like it's no big deal There's pressured speech elements to it. Yeah, it's it's wild So um now I I believe that I have thoroughly called myself out at this point for uh The minimal and unfortunate slight misogyny that I expressed by saying like this broad earlier But hey, hey, look, this is set up for the next clip. Right. Okay. All right fair So I apologize for that if anyone's offended, but you should be more offended by this Some of the ladies especially men to need this book. I don't know why I'm Really feeling this thing with women today. They need that because that obedience. Yes, that's my whole life. Yes, sir

I that that's what I've been saying. Yes, sir to god and if you if if you if you People say why does god use you jim? You're so fumbly bumbly and old and every god uses me because I say yes all the time Yeah, that's all that's all and that's all that's all But that was that obedient to me and the minute you hear it. Yes. Oh, I love it. I didn't know that way Go ahead now. Let's oh Yeah, yeah, that's cringy. Oh my god. This hurts me physically. This this hurts every part of the way that the way they speak Yeah, I actually kind of like how jim speaks don't I hate it every time I think there's something cute about his vocal pattern every time he speaks

I believe less in god like if if if god was real He would shut that mouth he brought up and let pollock give you a white talk. Yeah, shut up jim. Yeah Look, I I understand what you're saying. Um, the but I'm more interested in uh as a whole is uh boy. I uh I got real red flags whenever uh con men preach obedience No, no, that always that always seems to me like hey, maybe you just want people to be malleable and follow your every I just feel like women should really listen to this and some men too But I think women really should read your book because it's that obedience That's that's what women don't and some men too, but women don't understand obedience

I don't know why I'm women don't understand obedience. Do you hear me lorry and tell me sue Yeah, I mean there's there's something that you can't get away from uh, that's really there that you're expressing I don't know why I'm feeling it. I'm I don't know why I'm feeling like telling women what to do so much today God, that sounds right. So she uh, the book that she wrote is about ester. Um, oh, no, that's not good And that's a blank slate. Uh, we'll get to that here in a second when she gets to it But um, it's important that she's like really idolizing ester and being like we need to raise up esters Yeah, that's not a good idea. Why don't you choose ruth? Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I think we both know why she doesn't choose ruth We'll get to that in a little bit. But first

Paula white wants to tell you a little bit about what kind of man donald trump is It's a good man and she knows it because of a couple Really innocuous details about his behavior And one of the best ways that I can describe him is if he says I'm going to be there at 12 o'clock He will be there at 12 I can tell you the story just like mark burr net will of wins the mark brunette came in and and and he says He's pitching, you know, he's got the survivor and he's pitching the show called the apprentice And he says to him he pitches it and and now president trump then mr. Trump shakes his hand

This is important. He takes it and he shakes his hand. He says deal But I can't tell the amount because it wasn't nearly what he'd be making later And he says yes, and even mark brunette stole this to a certain degree And afterwards I was in his office not many, you know months and and after that He's told me the story They call his agent and he's with a big, you know one of the big agencies and there's two basically william worsen cAA And he's with on the big agency. It's like creatures. You know a lot about agencies are probably not good And he says to his agent, but I shook his hand

You aren't hearing what I'm saying. Yes, but I shook his hand And the agent the expert saying don't do this. This is absolutely disaster It's it didn't turn out to be too disastrous. I seem like you know, he said don't do this He said but I shook his hand So he's punctual and loves a handshake great president because I know a lot of contracts that he's not honored, you know No, but he didn't shake his hand dad

Right There's a lot of contractors and stuff that haven't you know, he hasn't paid. Yeah, but they didn't shake his hand Right. I think that those are that's more important though the handshake of a contract Right, but they didn't physically shake his hand. It doesn't count. I understand that god can't read english dan He didn't invent that shit. It's a good point. He doesn't know as long as you write it in english god can't Follow up on it. You're right. He's like, okay Well translate it back into ancient Sumerian and then we'll figure it out from there, but for christ sakes Yeah, I should have

Also, I think god says that all the time But you can't take away sakes fine. You can't take away his punctuality. No, you can't take away his punctuality That's a man who knows how to be on time. This is how I would describe him He's on time cool It isn't it is a it's a sincere talent There's no there's no equivocating. I could make it is a sincere talent to make a guy being on time one time Uh that story into a like and this is what kind of a great man

He is he can go somewhere and you will say to him We should meet at 12 o'clock and he will meet you at 12 o'clock now Can you imagine a man who can do something like that and the way she says it you're like I guess I can't I can very easily it might I I would argue that like when you pull out punctuality That means you're having a tough time coming up with good attributes. Oh, no, he was he was on time That seems like a really low uh low scale Uh sort of good character trait. No, look, okay. So yes, he was not warm Uh, he did not particularly enjoy my or I his company

He kept talking about not wanting to rent to black people, right? He would he really really wanted us to shut up when we were praying after our uh, our six He kept talking about genes. He did talk about genes a lot He really mentioned how white he was and how white he wished everyone was blood. He's really german But you know what that's not bad because now he's blaming the germans for not taking advantage of Another holocaust, but he's on time. He was on time like the trains in german. He was on time Right. Those were in uh, those were in italy, right? All over the place. Uh No, a lot of trains on time. It was Mussolini made the trains run on time

So did hitler. Anyway, there you go. Any authoritarian leader loves trains. Anyway, uh, jordan And so does iron rand trains are a big part of fascism. It seems that way So, uh, jordan We know one thing What's that? Is that jim bakers got a lot of products that he likes to push or at least years worths of them So we talked a bit about the food buckets on the last episode, which we'll never not delay We don't learn anything more about the food buckets today, but he does do probably a 10 minute

Irresponsible commercial for a water bottle. Hey, I know what you're saying. What are we gonna do? We have all of this food, but clothes, right? Well, let me tell you something if you send in 700 dollars We will give you one Buckets of clothes. That's not a bad bucket. If you get it now We will give you a second buckets of clothes. Somehow you still have to add water to make the clothes Very weird dehydrated clothes We suggest pairing a white wine with these. Um, so we got a water bottle commercial on this show They do a very long commercial for this water bottle

And this is what I would describe as probably the most irresponsible part of it because if anybody else does what they Do I think there's a chance they'll get sick and uh, this this is very dangerous. Don't do this Do you remember going Into the rainforest we went to the rainforest and they said do not drink the water. Well, we didn't know that Absolutely do not drink though. There was big signs that said absolutely But we we we read the signs after we drank the water from our water So he just dipped his bottle right in the water. Yeah, we did Here he says we sat in the rainforest in a little we had pictures

Place with a roof on it, you know, like a picnic thing and we ate our lunch there We'd packed and everything and we drank our water from our bottles non-drinkable water If I think you just kind of beat it right now if these bottles weren't good They said they said there was pesticides and all types of nasty things inside there We just drank right from it. Well, it's a proven testimony that the bottles do work. Oh, they won't don't trust them Do you know these bottles? What everything that they say she'll make They sell a big amount in uh, japan. They're they have great That all over the islands in the in the in armies. This is the number one bottle that armies

Use why the hell did you drop that thought about japan and then why did that guy say I'd hope so? Yeah, I know Did you is that a stereotype amongst white supremacist christian evangelicals that I didn't know that Japanese people don't drink enough clean water. I'm guessing if I had to guess I don't know this But I'm just guessing it has to do with Fukushima. That's what I would guess I'm guessing that they believe you think all water is unclean and radiated right right or something like that That's my because I can't think of any other reason. You don't think it's gonna go back to Nagasaki years of No, that's way too far back even if even if it's just like a random aside like I I like to imagine it now as more of like whenever you buy a movie ticket and somebody's like hey

Enjoy your show and you're like yeah you too and you're like That doesn't make any sense that to me sounds like he was just trying to guy saying I'd hope so He was just trying to agree in whatever possible way. He could I'd hope everyone and then it just got weird It's very weird. I don't know but uh, don't do that Don't hey, you know what I specifically hope the Japanese are using these Everybody else. I am ambivalent about but the Japanese better be using these water bottles Oh, um, I would I would also just like to say a public service announcement unless you have to don't do this with amazon water Don't ever do that. Don't do this with any water. You don't need to do that with

Okay, so it's probably very competent to getting out like uh, you know Normal pollutants of water that you have with like, you know people who have brita filters and shit like that It's probably very competent on that level. Don't trust it to take poisons out of your water Here's here are our examples. We have uh one story From a group of known liars and hucksters interesting and also have a financial interest in this live That's true. Yeah, uh, and then we also have uh, I don't know like naked and afraid If you don't even want to leave your house to find out how terrible bacteria in your water can destroy you It's dangerous. Go ahead and watch discovery channel for a while. You'll never drink water again

That shit's gross unless you're in japan in which case you better drink that water drink the water It's like the reverse of that uh, dave matthew's song Do drink the water drink it. There's no blood in the water so, um, uh We this uh commercial interruption paula wasn't there for I guess it was probably pre-taped and they just dropped it in And so now we get back to paula white I just If I was on the show and they started doing that water commercial and the guy

Jonathan kane was there. I'd just be like, yeah, man It's like there's a lot of smoke on this water. You know what I'm talking about. Jonathan kane from journey. That's deep purple Smoke on the water. Yeah, but that's my point. I would just be fucking with him the whole time. Okay every song Every classic rock song every fucking one throw it into his faces any any or any references possible I was I was trying to come up with a way to bring in lights If I drank this water me and my stomach would have to go separate ways So anyway now paula comes back. Oh man, uh, I don't need no instructions to know how to drink water What was that? Uh foreigner

Never mind. It was not a big hit. I know no instructions. No fuck off. No, no, no fine. Whatever All right. All right. All right. Now now my classic rock is god. The boys are back in town and they brought water filters If the boys are gonna drink water you better let them All right Uh and uh, she says some stupid shit. I mean, what are you gonna do? I need to ask you How can the president always get what you want clean water? Withstand

The hatred and the pressure Everything he says they turn it around Yeah, paula never been hatred like this. I've never seen a president. Never in my life seen they want to trip him up They asked for him to be assassinated even I never in my life. Okay. I'm gonna even take it further, right? I'm gonna take it because we're not wrestling against flesh and blood and there are people right now That are sending hate mail to me right now that are gonna say I can't believe you say this But you've got to recognize what the real deal is especially if you are a christian right now

You have a responsibility that jesus christ gave you the infallible word of god and told you that you are not wrestling Against flesh and blood but against principalities against powers. She says principalities about 25 times She says principalities a lot. Yeah Against darkness against witness wickedness And so you know the quadrants of the enemy and the principalities are going crazy because principalities want to control Nations by controlling a person and principalities cannot control this man because he surrounds himself with christians He is a christian He is christian

He loved prayer and like don said he is fears He has a fortitude. He has an inner strength But no man could withstand in the natural no this kind of pressure So i'm going to take it a step further. We've got to pray I mean not just pray but fervently pray men ought to always pray and not faint We have a responsibility whether you like him or don't like him You can't stand in god's word and not be responsible to pray for those who are in positions of authority It is our god given mandate. It is our responsibility

You've got to pray the will of god to be done for him and through him You've got to pray in alignment not solace prayers because if you pray solace prayers They're going to backfire and come back on you. This is whitney houston holding the note at the end of the bodyguard band This is this is long. No, but see that's what i'm saying I wanted to leave all that there to give a little bit of a twist of that's most of the show Whoa her taking those little breaths and like keeping going and just being like With just random as that's all principalities She quadrants that is soulless

Soilish prayers that is alex prayer. That's alex jones. It is that's exactly what alex does 100 percent We don't 100 we don't wrestle with flesh and blood. We wrestle with demons. Yeah, sure fine brings in these code words It supposedly means something quadrants of the enemy. You know the quadrants Well, yeah, you can't take over dropping the 34 year old men. You've got The elderly you've got one of the four quadrants again. Those are the ones that are important for selling movies I think that's a she's so talking in tv production and marketing She is so talking and marketing and tv production You know the quadrants of the enemy or the markets that we don't tap into

Those are the ones who don't give me any money. So fuck them. Fuck them. Yeah, I think that's kind of the uh, subtext pretty much Yeah, maybe all of this. Yeah, I think I think that's it's weird that she's giving up Like she's not even bothering to to be better at hiding that she's talking about tv Like everything she's talking about. She's not even bothering interesting. You should at least I wonder if that team develops You should at least try to be like I am not talking about hitting a targeted audience of people who are both afraid of black people and also believe in a Bullshit version of christianity. You know the demographics of our enemy. They are in the Non-white males

Look look out amongst yourselves in this audience. You old white people all all of you We know the demographics we're against. Hey, look at you old white people Hey, all those old white people out there Choose any demographic you're against. Guess what? Ah, that's the ones we're against bad quadrant turns out it's about all of them So, you know how alex jones Uh And all of these people put on victim hood as a sort of a suit of armor Dude trump when she said that

Trump iswithstanding a level of criticism that No man could withstand in the natural people fucking lynched obama in effigy. I was gonna say have you set it on fire Were they I I mean I get why they don't remember that and that's because they were doing it They don't want or or their product She herself had a lynched obama effigy on her home and then she's like, uh, no man could withstand this They're very keenly aware whether they want to admit it or not that the people who do support them are Largely of that ilk. Yeah, and it does them, uh, no favors to admit that So you pretend that piece of history didn't happen. No one has needed that's a small piece of history

Think about the presidents who have actually been killed Oh, yeah Like who I can't think of any no shit You know, I will tell you who did it though the quadrants that we are against I'll tell you that's who killed those presidents except for the one that killed that one guy who was against slavery That was the quadrant that we were super for let's not talk about those quadrants. Those quadrants are great though So the you know what it's not just presidents that are under attack It's people of god

Like like jim baker. Yes I'm standing up for for trump mr. Pastor pastor trump president trump It was in It I was it I was in a warfare physique. I began physically beat down. I mean just till I thought I was gonna die And then I got injured that From one of the watchers The watchers the watchers watch who they said if you don't stop

We're gonna destroy you What? And they got ahold of one of the members of my family And told him so you tell your dad. Yeah He'll never preach again. He was never And I had to decide By the way, I know he's trying to be vague because the story isn't true But he just sold out tammy sue real hard because he said your dad

Yeah And you know what I've come to this. He has more than one kid though to turn that He had problems with shit tonic. You know, what he's really talking about is one of the many kids that are not his Legitimate kids who are like hey for real. I'm I'm here Could you please and he was like, ah, you're not real that get out of here. You're one of the watchers We'll get into the details in a second He'll never preach again. He was never

And I had to decide And you know what I've come too far. Thank you to turn back Thank you for not Thank you. This is the reason I was wrong. This is you know, and America needs god We're we're in deep trouble And this this is I don't I don't think there's another chance I think it's over if we don't win right now a great global awakening and it's got to be global global

But I mean they don't uh, I don't think that they uh have the same uh Stupid Ideas about globalists and shit like that Um, but yeah, what do you what do you think about uh, jim baker being threatened my dude? um To me what that sounds more like is while he was doing time Uh, he had himself a thought experiment of like, okay. Well, I'm doing time for all the crimes that I committed And I can either like get a job

as like a guy And just have a job Or I can just keep on doing them crimes, but doing better That's what i'm hearing and i'm hearing him say I don't like working at macy's So i'm gonna keep doing them crimes. I don't I don't want to end up uh, like some You know some celebrity some minor celebrity who ends up working at starbucks or something like that Whoa, what's that jim baker the walmart greeter?

Fuck that time for me and god to ride for the money right right? I can't remember his name, but one of the uh wcw announcers one of the old awesome Wcw announcers works at a starbucks now really yeah, and it's like one of those like jim baker would never do that He would sooner uh started tonight, you know as soon as started doomsday cult which he has done I Mean or at the very least he would sooner go back to jail for the same crimes that he has already committed right But he knows that he doesn't have to go to jail as trump is in office as long as trump is in office He is a free man. He will get a pardon

Oh, yeah, anything goes for the pettiest of reasons So I told you that uh paula white has written this book about um about ester and what I think is more important is I don't know if she likes ester as much as she hates another character in that story Which uh, she gets into in this next clip Let me tell you something Vashti is easy to be replaced Because vashti who is married to the king vashti, and this is what people don't recognize You say what is god doing vashti did not serve purpose

And because she did not serve purpose when the king and it seems oh, this is silly But he shouldn't have asked this it doesn't matter the king asked her to dance the king asked her But because she could not be obedient to what was asked of the king because sometimes we think well We want to do it and we we negotiate with god if the king asks you to do something Then you do it if the king asks you to stand up and to take your show And to be in support of president trump It doesn't matter if people troll you if people lie about you if people hate on you if people leave you It doesn't matter because if god be for you then who can be against you because god

Is looking for someone Who will say yes to god's agenda to the king's agenda and so what it was It doesn't matter if you if you understand the instruction of the king It doesn't matter it matters if you are obedient because god vashti could be replaced because she wouldn't serve purpose So god finds this young girl ester who whose name literally means myrtle tree myrtle trees come from the bottom It means her name is from bottom places Overlooked it means god will raise you up. So she just rambles a whole bunch, but she hates vashti And it's interesting because i don't i don't care to talk about the entire story of the book of ester or anything like that

But i would like to talk about vashti a little bit. Oh, yeah She was a character, uh, who if i recall correctly, uh, said no to a man And was thus appropriately punished for it in the time. Well, the reason that she said no was she was the queen, uh, Of asweris the king of uh, in persia, uh, he uh Look the issue is that the translation the scholars who study it the understanding of the story is that The king got drunk and he called people to bring her to dance in her crown Uh, and the understanding of the text is that meant that he wanted her to dance naked In front of them, which is an incredibly inappropriate request for someone to make of the queen

Even if you're the king usually back then in that culture, especially it's incredibly inappropriate Period so she said no, uh, and then was ester came in and was uh, Was a replacement once again a great story about dudes I would argue That this is a bad story about obedience Look ladies ladies what i'm just trying to tell you what i'm telling you about ester What i'm telling you about ester and obedience is that when the king tells you to do something You do whatever it is just like when my husband asks me to do something

I don't do what the fuck he tells me to do because fuck him i'm not in journey You don't tell me what to do anyways ester she did whatever was asked of her dance naked in the crown It doesn't fucking matter women do whatever you're told to do people uh people who uh have studied it again I just need this to be incredibly clear in the time in the context of This is an outrageously inappropriate request for a king to be making of a queen And the idea that she said no like we know why he wanted her to come dance naked one humiliation To give his friends a boner. Yep or to make his friends jealous or something

Any of those motivations? There is no higher purpose to that come dance naked for me and my drunk friends god ester to do it though dan No, he didn't but he did he didn't the king ester got a point of the king kings gods Boom she was a zoroastrian Yeah, well, she didn't even know about the god that she was supposed to be listening to and that's another issue for me She should have known zoroastrian. Yeah, but that's not important The important part is that god of a different faith whom that guy didn't know appointed him king To do shit the way that he said he should do it

And what was my point again? I don't know no I think that I think that the idea here, which I think is very dangerous Especially in a modern world Is that what she's what she's advocating for is You say yes to this obviously inappropriate confusing Humiliating request from the king because then you'll be able to stay around and maybe have some influence later Which makes me think trump has had some really fucked up requests for her

I'm not saying dance naked or anything like that. I'm not I'm not my mind isn't in the gutter or anything like that No, the idea of shady business deals The idea of she knows shit that she's not saying that sort of thing you keep your mouth shut And then you'll have the ear of the king Absent sort of thing that mentality if that's the lesson that she's getting from vashti and uh ester's story I think you like beyond even the heresies that she's guilty of I think you have a really warped and dirty Uh the version of christianity that you're peddling when you're you're peddling a dangerous version But when you're the king they let you do it you can run up on them like a bitch

Yep, you they let you do it. Yeah, you can move on them like a bitch. No big deal. You're the king The other thing too is that I need to make this point crystal clear. It's all about this idea of obedience That trend is not a accident on this show this the the show Is so much about like quizzical obedience obedience that you don't even understand why you're obeying that sort of thing Is very important to people with this sort of an agenda. Yeah, this sort of uh this message that they want to put I remember it in youth group. I remember it in church. I remember it all the time

And we'll get to the payoff of that here in a second. Yeah, but first man paul is about to say something really scary And then jim is about to I think make the audience really uncomfortable We were not sent into this earth to fit in or or or just uh, we weren't just sit here to be a part We were sent here to take over. Are you listening? That's the church That's why we have the president we have

He doesn't fit Amen He's not a normal president. Amen. And here's the woman who is from the bottom lands Yes But god has raised her up So real quick before we get into the rest of this uh now jim has stood up and uh the audience um There's a

There's a thin line between excitement and discomfort going on in the audience Because jim I don't think stands up very often. No, I doubt it The spirit is really getting to him with this paul Right Because he knows that she has the ear of the president and also that she is One of the big mega church televangelist preachers like he this he's not slumming it here hanging out with paul This is like he's looking up to her right now This is like uh, what I would describe it as like, you know on a podcast like when uh, jimmy pardo had uh, paul riser on

Or something like that. Yeah, we got this guy to come into the show. This is very exciting Yeah, paul jim is really excited that paul is there. Yeah, I can tell and I think he's gonna He's he's trying to preach a little bit in order to impress her. He's out of the game though He's not he's not at her preaching levels. He's not doing 10 sets a night So he's standing up now and yelling at the audience To the white house To the walls Till the sweat

Of the shadow of death time and time again Yes, she now can walk into the white house anytime she wants to She has full access to in the bible days the king the president Why My god used her in broker. Yes. Yeah, and she's been through that brokenness But the bible declares. Can I keep preaching? The bible declares This is it. I love the messengers

Oh So when I said there was a discomfort you could hear that like I think what was going on if I had to guess I would guess that the teens that he has working the applause sign got confused by standing up and yelling at the audience They didn't know quite where to punctuate his yelling with applause. They're still learning. It's okay. They're still in school And so I think and they haven't had sex for a long time. Absolutely. No masturbating. No, nothing How would you even know where the applause sign begins or ends if you haven't come in a month? So they're all fumbling with their boners and not being able to hit the right points

Exactly. He yells like she's in the white house I'm a big silence. I'm a big fan of the weird gross Scooby-Doo villain esco It is ghostly. Yeah, that's bad. Yeah On another one that was weird. I don't know. I kind of love it because it is one of those things that like You know, you know, it's not every day you get to see Jim Baker try and pull his skills out You know, like that's true. It's kind of like I don't know an old

Former pro ball player going down to the park and like trying to play pick up ball with the kids Yeah, or whatever. Well, they do a good job or whatever, but maybe some guy's gonna like dunk on him Yeah, it's rocky five. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, let's go with that. Yeah, sure. I'll allow that metaphor can't be doing that Yeah, so so jim Good on you. I appreciate it But now we get back to the obedience thing and this reveal will not surprise anybody But this is why they keep talking about obedience So that you can see what he's called you to do

And then somebody needs to obey god right now because you need to give a lot more than 45 dollars You need to get thousands of dollars in obedience for the word of the word that is coming I pray right now for revelation to come to you. Amen I pray right now that god would open your eyes according to fusions 117 and 18 That the eyes of your understanding might be enlightened that you may know What is the hope of the riches of the glory of your inheritance as saints? Wow Wow, wow

Wow, putting on a show. How impressive is that putting on a show? That's crazy But that's the payoff of the obedience you talk about obedience all the time and now you're like what you need to do is obey They've already earlier introduced a concept of 45 dollars because it's the 45th president And the Easter sale they always do this give your give your Easter sale gift to god or whatever it is They always do this with like symbolic meanings of money. So like if there's a bible verse that's like, uh, you know Like 818 or something like that like uh, this is a specific example Paula white has been like give me 818 dollars in a year on a monthly basis. It's blank because that adds up to this scripture Uh, sure. Sure. Why not sure? Why not great? Yeah, how about I give you a wand?

It's fine. It's all magic. I don't give a shit and I don't think I don't think that asking people to support you in creative endeavors Or whatever like that is a negative thing like I think that I think that the way that this sort of Uh economy has come up of like supporting artists who create stuff and all the people who support our show I think it's great But if I were to come up and try and manipulatively trick people into Donating to us It would be as evil and ugly as you know, you know how they could do this

They could do this on the level. It's there's no reason to do it like that. Of course not This is so manipulative and tricky No, there is a reason to do it like this because it works better to get more people It works better. Exactly. Yeah, if you look if we had to go fund me for Our show and that the end the end goal was like We're gonna put out a better show Like people would not be as driven to that as as opposed to if we all of a sudden we're just like your souls Dan has cancer

Dan is dying. We need $50,000. Uh, which is the symbolic amount in aphesians $50,000 verse Dan needs money. Right We would get more money than than that Well, of course you lie when you play on people's strings and their emotions and stuff like that You're able to get them to again. We talked about this a bunch You override the part of your brain that works on a rational system and you overwhelm it with this emotional response And I'll be honest like I didn't get into it as much as I did the last time

Uh, listening to jim baker where he like the swelling music and the vignettes. Yeah, we're like, oh man, this is great Uh, but like listening to paula, I kind of understood like how you could be tricked into Almost a hypnotic state by the way she speaks Oh, no, absolutely the quick measure like the the measure of her speech the way she never ends a sentence It always leads into something else. There's always a reference to something and and and like it's all Extensibly backed in some sort of biblical truth when she's just making shit up No, she's she's trying to run a non-stop guitar solo, but it's very I could I see how it works and I I mean Take ethics and morality out of it. I respect it

Like oh no, I can feel in the same way that I respect alex's former gifts as a Amazing broadcaster, right? I respect this in terms of like, I know what you're doing you're trying to get people to give you money with the with the Sweet candy shell around the m&m of christianity for sure the shell is the christianity the chocolate is I want money Yeah, you trick people in with those bright colors of the m&ms and then they eat that subpar chocolate and then they're like All right, it's I mean it's it's so similar to if you've been Like if you've been doing stand-up for so long at a certain point you stop you stop seeing like Jokes and you start people you start seeing. Oh, this person is just doing the sleight of hand

This is just the rhythm. This is just the You pause for but and then but and that that's all you need to do like she has got the pattern down so good I you can and even now even in my cynical. Yeah, no even in my cynical monstrous State of mind that I am in now I can still feel that that I went to like but I went to god camp when I was like 14 and I can still feel getting into that moment where that That preacher revival Just doing that whole you gotta you gotta believe it. You gotta and then all of a sudden there's all there's

314 year olds going. Yeah, we need to get baptized whatever it is. I used to have a bit about this I don't know if I've ever told you this story But one time I went to bible camp and I pretended to be overwhelmed by the spirit. Did I ever tell you about that? No, I don't think so. So I went to like a Baptist mega church when I was like formative years That's what my parents landed on after like the Mennonite church in Our town didn't work out and Plymouth rock sure didn't land on us We landed up who cares? Yeah, um, so we we went to a Mennonite church, but it just didn't have the right feel So we went to a bunch of places and tried to find the right fit

We ended up at this Baptist mega church and it was the sort of place where I mean There wasn't like snakes and talking in tongues or anything like that right boring But it was the soft version of that where like adults would be putting their hands up and some people would get holy ghosted Yes, absolutely. Yeah, holy ghost. Sometimes you would see people like on their knees Like uh during the songs and stuff like that because they had been overwhelmed by the spirit Or maybe they fall down in an aisle or something like that Not aggressively not like over the top like where the preacher is touching them and they fall down Right, right. But so I had this sort of image in my head of like what it meant to really feel God's presence

And like it really bothered me that I'd never felt it Uh-huh and so I went to camp one year and it was through the church We went we went to this this camp And I decided I made a mental decision that I was going to force it Uh, and so like during one of the songs. I don't know what it was But the only song I really remember they played every time was our god is an awesome god He reigns Okay, yeah, Jonathan Cain was on the keys

It was a great retreat. Yep. So uh, but during whatever this song was I just decided I'm doing it And so I fell to my knees Uh-huh and like I acted like I was overwhelmed by the spirit you holy ghosted But then it dawned on me that like as I got down there. I didn't feel anything I thought that doing the act would force the feeling right and I thought god would come in and be like, all right You did it. Uh-huh like somehow that would cheat code. Okay. All right All right up up up up down down left right left right ab ab ab. I thought for sure it would work Yeah, and it didn't no and it introduced the worst feeling I've ever had in my life

Which was I cannot stand up now I was just I was completely fucked. Oh my god I think you just wrote a Short story that should be added to windsburg ohio. What the fuck just happened here. I had artificially holy shit I had acted like I was overwhelmed by the spirit that led me to come to my knees That made you realize that the spirit isn't even real the first one I'm surrounded by my peers in the youth group who are all like. Oh my god dance having an experience

And I didn't I didn't want to stand up be like I was faking that Yeah, of course not because then I got to still stay at camp. I can't just go home. What day is this? This is like day two. Oh, no, you're fucked there for a week So I had to I had to sort of play it out And so what I did is I faked crying a little bit like I put my head down on a chair That's sort of that's always a smart move. Uh, and then people came over and like padded me. Yeah, stuff like that And I was like, thank you. Thank you. Uh, and then I might have my own business and went to bed Because I I didn't want to

That's actually how most dance stories wind up ending But it was so it was so disappointing on like so many levels. Yeah one is that like Well, that doesn't work. First of all, right that second like I was like, I Why did I do that? Yeah, like why was that an impulse that I had? Like I thought that I could get around god on a technicality right of it and then just like Well, but isn't that what these people think? Yeah, I know I know but like But that's the like that's the memory that comes up in my head when I I listen to people

Like this who are like trying to get people into that state. Yeah, like because she's doing that She's trying to get people to like throw your hands in the air and like trying to get people to Uh overwhelm their limbic systems in order to uh to get on her side and uh, I mean I've been there. See this is why I don't under I don't understand these people I will never now anytime I'm at my I understand They're awful of shit. No, that's what I'm saying the people the people the innocent people are Desperate I think maybe not all of them, but I'd say a vast majority of them Are like me when I was 14

Who really wanted to feel that thing that they saw other people feel and were willing to play along Uh in order to Maybe try and have that experience right now whether or not they're the same as me and when they had it they realized This is all artificial. What am I doing? Right or whether they're like, oh, I am gonna tell myself I had a profound experience. Yeah, that that's a whole another issue But I think that a lot of people are well-meaning people who want that extra Human experience. They want something super spiritual. They want they want to feel They want to feel something that's not the normal

Day-to-day experience of life and it's really abusive when you tell people that you know how to do it And you got to give them money to do it Like it's right because it's such a natural impulse that people have right go back and you read anything from history It's something that everyone always feels you don't want to feel like an animal you or if you do want to feel like an animal It's like Alistair Crowley. You want to feel that enlightened animal that that visceral wild animal kind of thing You don't want to feel like I'm just a biological accident You want to have a profound connection to something bigger? And a lot of people understand that there is a way to make money off of that

Supposed hole in the human psyche and I think that that's Maybe one of the most evil things that has ever happened that people are like they know they can manipulate it and they do Yeah, because it's so it's so fucked up We're we're alcoholics. What else are we doing? Like what do you mean? Like I mean what what else is that but to me if you can a experience that feeling by

meditation Uh, right if you can experience that feeling by going to a fucking Kanye West concert With the gym If you can feel if you can do that all that stuff there all of that stuff is great, right the I have no problem with the uh, the never-ending quest for a human transcendence in a in a moment I have a problem with the Uh, uh commodification the manipulation, you know, I don't even have a problem with that

I think I have a problem with the You should take away from it because like if we include like going to the gym As sometimes being able to be a transcendent experience. Yeah, there are shitty people who try and sell you abusive gym memberships exactly But I mean, I guess it's not the same. I guess it's not the same I guess it's because the gym doesn't market itself as a something for your soul Well, sometimes it does though, but that's a fucked up gym. There are a lot of fucked up gyms. That's a really really fucked up And I mean this is a fucked up form of christianity Like this is all fucked. This whole fucking thing is

Ridiculous, right? I don't know. I don't know. I guess my problem is whenever people try and tell you That's I think that's what my biggest problem with all this stuff is because look if you're going for a fucking spiritual experience Human history has shown us that you can find one Yeah, and I am fine with you trying all of them My problem comes when you deal with these people who say that I'm the only way you can have one of these spiritual experiences. The other ones you have aren't real If you don't have one through me Not only are you not

Having a spiritual experience You're worse. You're the worst. You're worse off for not even, you know, well, that's part and parcel of the prosperity gospel It's not like that because the idea is you give this seed of money and then it grows into More money coming back for you. Yeah, and there's a built-in trap door to explain why that doesn't work And that is you didn't want it hard enough or you didn't give enough You didn't give enough you didn't actually somewhere deep inside your heart. You weren't doing the right things You didn't love god enough. You didn't follow you didn't obey enough that sort of thing And so any preacher can just any preacher like these people can just slip around that that that sort of thing

It's like, yeah, it there's a there's a built-in excuse to blame the person who's the victim of the con always and it's It I have I have no words for how much I hate this it's it's cruel. Yeah, and it's prey It's prey like I guess I guess the best word for it is prey. They love Turning people into prey because they are fucking animals They are predators. She's friends with our president Hey, who is also uh, he moves on her like a bitch. I'll tell you that right now. So in this next clip Uh, Jordan, you were making a astute observation that I didn't know if you would pick up on as early as you did that

Paula white cane doesn't seem to really be interested in hiding the fact That she's talking about like demographic stuff the quadrants Of enemies and like tv terms and stuff like that. Uh, she's she's she might as well be asking what her sunday ratings are I thought that this next clip was pretty like this was this is weird I think we're from the same tribe. I know the system. I know the system really well I understand listen. I can I I know how to do tv blindsided I can close my eyes now just like you pastor jim, but we don't do it by the world's ways We don't do it by the system because we do it by the spirit of god now

That we are not afraid or intimidated or trying to fit in or trying to be popular We have been purposeful because we are doing what does say the lord because we want to hear god say well done So enlargement and deliverance is coming to god's people But then he turns around and says he says but will you be the carrier of it? Because it's coming. Yes, but if you don't do this He says then then destruction will come to you and your father's house in other words God is going to bring enlargement god is going to bring deliverance But the question is will you be a part of it? Will you get in the game?

enlargement is direct tv For real. Why haven't you picked up my goddamn show yet? We are bringing god to you at 4 p.m. Eastern 3 p.m. Central. That's 1 p.m. Pacific time Greenwich mean. Yeah, what are we what are we doing? enlargement is prosperity gospel code for the money that comes back when you plant those seeds Yeah, so she's talking very directly about the idea of like all this is coming Are you gonna get on board with it and she started that fucking sentence by saying we can do this in our sleep

We know what to do. We're I know how to manipulate these people She's essentially just pulling her dick out on air and just being like, hey, I know what to do I don't give a shit about you guys. Hey, look at this You're so stupid. You're so stupid. Look at you. You dumb sheep. I can manipulate you with my eyes blindsided Yep It's crazy. It's it's a it's another level of like brazenness Uh, which only only deepens and heightens my respect for her It it's not that hard to con people

It is really hard to tell people you're conning them and then have them believe you anyways Some people just like the thrill of the hunt Yeah, like she's out. She's like someone out there hunting boar with a knife Yeah, yeah gun. She's like up in her she's she's up in her degree of difficulty rating If we're if we're in the ill if she's playing on new game plus Yeah, if we're doing dives here Jim Baker barely able to do a straight swan dive without a splash She is fucking back flips and all the turns and all that shit. Yeah, she's nailing it She's the rodney danger field and back to school. Yeah

Okay, so um in this next clip man, this made me so fucking this made me feel so weird Yeah, this made me feel so weird So there's a relic uh that ends up sure showing up on the relic a relic relic They don't call it that but that's how jim is acting And it's this is a shroud of turn It's so fucked up But then at the end of this clip we get something that is very familiar to our podcast and I would say uh this If there ever is a jim baker mic down clip. This is it. Okay

This is a platform you we this we're sitting on a platform This is what you call a stage a platform, but the platform of donald trump says i'm against abortion The platform is also an album by the dilated peoples The platform says he wants to appeal the johnson amendment, which he's he's already used you were there when he signed it, right? And there's the pin My goodness This is the pin I felt like

Like the heavens had opened I can't describe this moment and all the inauguration and this were probably two of the There we are with all those men back there and they're there and in the pink dress I was like I I mean when I say I just give god all the glory because people don't I think fully understand this Can I touch that pin? Yes, sir. This is what I waited for most of my life I have fought yes The government has tried to destroy the church people For decades and decades and decades and he said as long as I am president no more ground

And he signed with this pin Can you see the pin? Signed with this pin and then he reached over And handed it to this little lady. I can call you a little late because you are a little precious What a major moment Now I I want to give I want this but for Sit down for just for a 45. I'm asking to help

You got to give it back though, honey. Oh baby for $45 to help us stay on the air We need support ad pivot Jim Baker just did an ad pivot after almost coming in his pants about a pen That's outrageous that that's next level. I am Rootin for climate change to win you're going you're going through some stuff I I have now given up entirely on humanity. Yeah, there is no point to any of this Those people were all going apeshit for a pen. He turned a pen being signed for fucking whatever into an ad pivot Why why do we why really like do we even need us? Do you see this pan?

Do we even need us this pan is what I've been fighting for my whole life good Then stop and die die Fuck a pen If obama handed me a fucking pen during the height of his tenure in the white house It's still be like this is a fucking pen. It's like this is the pen that I use to sign the aca Yeah, I'd be like, I don't it's a fucking pen That's cool. Why didn't you get single payer past you piece of shit? That's my response What was it always impressed by why are so many people impressed by a pen? It's a relic

It's not it's a fucking assholes pen. It's like a shroud their assholes like the shroud of turrets your assholes No, man. This is big. I would not big stuff. Oh, man. I could not get a worship that pen I have a dream now of just fucking going to one of these shows and just losing my shit I want to go full streaker at the world cup. Like I want to rip into there Fucking tear everything apart. It would not work. Oh my god Jim has on one of these episodes that I watched did say that like people get paid to come and try and disrupt his show So he's aware. He's got security. Yeah, they're also 18 year olds who are probably working for free, right? So I think we'd all right. I could probably just bang them

probably just uh Hey, you never uh, you ever you ever have fun. You ever have fun or All right, really not because you work. Come on. Um, so yeah, man, let's go have a beer So he's talking about the johnson amendment. That's what uh, yeah, I had an executive order the uh, loosening um, and the johnson amendment for everyone who doesn't know has to do with Churches as the part of their 501 c3 status that they can't advocate for or

An opposition to any candidate in public office. That's the major part that they really hate right put through Because it's almost like that part is trying to keep them from creating a theocracy Well, and I mean we can't have that if your entire religion is built around the concept of a theocracy That's one part of it, but it was put forth In 1954 if you think about what was going on In 1954 you had a lot of world war two Yeah, you had a lot of Christian organizations In uh, heavy quotes. Yeah, we're not super into equal rights

Um, I can't think of any of them with three initials That we're not into Amway. Yep. That's it. Okay. So you had you had like sort of agitating groups Hiding under the auspices of Christianity. Yeah, and I think I think a large portion of uh, lynching under the auspices of One of the good things that the johnson amendment is capable of Is sort of trying to split up some of that And I don't think that a church is a place for political messages

And if you think it is I think we have a fundamental disagreement about uh, about what faith is and what our country is Anyway, I think that's already been the case for a long time. All this ding dong and that ad pivot Pretty harsh. That was a harsh ad pivot. That was a really he went from god and it seemed so sincere. Yeah Yep, because he really seemed so stoked about it and then Immediately after the ad pivot all of the all of the pre-show screening showed up in my head of them being like Okay, we want you out here. Do you have anything? Do you have a relic and they're like I've got I've actually got this pen that trump gave me and they're like, fuck. Yes

We are gonna turn that into a set piece. Lie about it being what he signed the uh stripping of the johnson amendment Jim we need you to Really fuck you're gonna need to stand up for this one and then jim We're gonna need you to mumble that you want 45 dollars. Yep Time is now we need you to really incompetently do an ad Oh, please give me 45 dollars if you thought that 45 dollars wasn't worth it. Let me show you a pen It's a great pen done. All right. So in this next clip We have another moment where jim actually tries to preach a little bit

Uh, and this one more unsettling than the first. Oh, he's out of the game You you know, I say this you're the greatest woman preacher in the world. I don't Forgive me for saying that I don't again a heretic I don't want to embarrass you, but it's true But you are And what you're saying Is the message for this minute. Yes, sir in america. Yes, sir. It's the brokenness What are you gonna do?

Are you gonna curl up and die? Come on preach it sir Because you made a mistake right Because something went wrong Are you listening to me? god To die on the cross because you would blow it Also, wait, what? Uh, uh about that one. I said a son to die on the cross about about his son

Because you would blow it. Hey, uh, that's not the message also because you would blow it But also about about that son that you seem to love yelling about Paula has some weird ideas about him. You should ask her about him. Hmm. Don't want to do that Uh, well, she would blow it. Yeah, that's why god said his son died and he uses the weak things That donald trump's to confound the wise What is this? Who's that? That's why we love him so much. What's why we stand up for jesus christ That's why we won't give him up. What that's why we're not gonna let him tear the crosses from our buildings

It's the cross the cross forgive me. You just got me too excited You are too excited Um, no one's asking to tear your cross down buddy. Yeah Enjoy your cross. Um, um Man the only people that make me want to take the things away from them that they are afraid of me taking away from them Are the people who are afraid of me taking them away from them? They kind of know that and you are facilitating the uh continuation of the circle

I mean, it's just like no, I I don't want to take your cross away You want to take my cross away? Well now I want to take your cross away Well, but that you're making me want to take your cross away But see here you've now touched into what he's actually talking about and why this has nothing to do with religion The reason that you want to take his cross away I think even though you don't care about christianity and neither do I Um is because he's not a church Like no the reason that anyone would want to be like hey, you need to shut down

Isn't because the message of god or anything like that Though I would put myself more in the agnostic category. I'm open to ideas of spirituality and shit like that I don't have a hard line like a lot of atheists do right um, but I have no no love lost between me and the christian church of any Denomination, but at the same time i'm super thrilled that they exist and I think they should exist I have same as uh all muslim churches buddhist temples all of it across the board jewish synagogues I can name them all shinto huts. I don't know. I you know what? But I just like I like I like uh Community baseball teams sure that's the same shit to me somewhat, but it isn't for a lot of people The reason that jim is so much like people want to tear down our crosses and want to shut us down

Is because he's keenly aware that he's conning people He knows that the accusations that come at him are legal Accusations they are like you are committing a very uh, uh, at least unethical business practices right here This is crazy what you're doing has nothing to do with god It has to do with you using god as a method to sell your bullshit buckets right and what have you right? So it's really utilitarian for him to be like We are under attack because we love god so much because then that frames the argument for anybody who believes What he's saying is like these very measured reasonable complaints that uh, you or I would have about him is like

Oh, no, they just hate god and that's not of course. That's but but when you say I want to tear down his cross Now it becomes you are the embodiment of exactly what he is lying about existing. Yeah, but it doesn't matter No, of course not. I'm already the Already the embodiment regardless of whether or not I do it So I might as well fucking take your goddamn cross away you piece of shit lying Whoa Go fuck yourself. All of this would be fine. I will shit on your cross jim baker if you have a cross I want a shit on it. Oh, this would be fine if you just had like a bit of transparency. I think

I think jim baker's whole operation like his whole show would just be really funny if there was just transparency about it Hilarious well because like I think that the real crime is the the sleight of hand stuff about like what we're using the money for Yeah, the sleight of hand stuff about like the the abusive Marketing tactics and shit like that the rest of it is just like look There are there are worse problems in the world than someone going to a dumb church. Yeah, you know, yeah, and if that's all Yeah, then that's all but If there was just an opening of those those those those documents

I think he could he could he could skate on some stuff with me I wouldn't care as weird as if these churches didn't exist It would be an amazing adult film Adult swim not a pornographic. No, not a pornographic film adult swim show like if we didn't have so many a Fucking a televangelist shows on at 2 a.m. In the morning or whatever it is Adult swim would have one it would be Word for word the exact same thing. Well, that I mean like this is a parody of itself. Oh, that's insane

Yeah, it's it's wild that this exists and it's even wilder that jim baker is a person who Was did hard time for fraud because of this exact same behavior in the past He just tweaked a few things and now came back, you know, like and is doing the same a game It's a redemption story. It's not though. It's he's redemptons himself It's like if someone did something bad went to prison for it got out and realized all right now I know the line that doesn't redeem themselves and just does the exact same thing There's no redemption story here. No it look I went to prison for selling. I went to prison for selling heroin But in prison I got my pharmacology degree and now I sell opioids to doctors

It's a completely different thing. There's no difference whatsoever. I think that requires more effort It's more I went to prison because Someone snitched on me for selling heroin and now I just murdered all the snitches now. I I'm solo, you know or whatever Yeah, it's that sort of thing because it's it's not like he got clean No, that's definitely like the opioid stuff is inethical as shit, but like uh, that's still legal What he's doing is still the same fraud. It's not like Like just because he didn't pretend he was creating a hotel this time That he overbooked and like that they got him on the first time

That doesn't mean that there's any less like deceptiveness in this marketing No, of course playing the same fucking game and that's why it is uh adult swimmy in terms of like It's almost it's almost beyond the pale of like what you think is like This is this is nuts. Yeah, this is this is a too me like that when When too many cops favorite preacher is on. Oh my god, that can't be real That's a lie that she tells him or no that he tells her That has to be a bunch of pictures of her and she did give the benediction. It is inauguration Yeah, but he can't I don't know what the fuck is going on

Well, her backstory on that is that she had a televangelism show that was on air That reached Mar-a-Lago and so when he was there he would watch her and he loved her um, all right all the ice caps melt immediately now flood I'm this is the first time I've really believed that god was right whenever he got rid of uh, Noah's yeah Yeah, he nailed it except for he probably just let the wrong family like god just fucked up one time And that was when he killed everybody and then let Noah live like there was probably a guy

They had when he allowed bees on that ship. Yeah. No, well, you gotta have bees. Where were the where were the pollination? God could make drones. We would god could not make drugs. It would be fine with that Is that is heretical belief if there's one thing I know about the bible it says that god can't make drones Rather than me and paul are on the same page heretics Heretics, I'll say that me thinking that god can make drones is not directly a heresy against the most foundational Documet doctrines of christianity. So I'm on better footing than her. I don't know Man, it's crazy. It's really it's legitimately crazy

That she rebukes the nicy and creed and then it's like no, I don't like uh, yeah, you do you do you straight up Hey, I definitely well, listen dan I will stop denying the nicy and creed If you donate 8,100 and 18,001 million dollars to uh, whatever it is I do I'll believe in anything for as much money's also in case I will believe in anything for money also in case you're curious the apostles creed is the uh, the uh Declaration that you believe in the reality of reincarnation of jesus christ Oh, okay, and also a really good song by jedi mind tricks. Okay

so Now we get to uh, so you know how uh You you heard this a little bit paula white likes to talk about how she does prophecy She likes to talk she does and uh, she likes to do prophecy Here's a prophecy that she had that I think is ludicrous. It's 2018 people. Hmm. It's 2018. Yeah You know, we don't do prophecies Well, especially like it when you when you put yourself in a position of I do prophecy that puts you on shaky foundations with the I think most mainline churches you would hope it's at least narcissistic. I think most churches are like a

Look, we got a lot going on with our bullshit as it is Right, let's not throw prophecy because prophecies concrete man. Yeah, do you know what was great about the old prophecies? They kind of didn't mean anything and you could just throw whatever you want on them And spoiler alert a lot of them were written after the fact. Yeah, a lot of them We're dating on them is a little a little iffy a little iffy Yeah, but you don't you don't give out like I'm going to prophesy this because it's not going to come true and look Christians I'm sure christians christians believe a lot of what they believe and that's fine But even christians are like

Dude, don't don't put our names to a prophecy. Don't put our business on the streets. We're not gonna it's not gonna come true We know it. We know we're not telling the real truth, but that's but it's it's not the point The point isn't that we're telling the truth The point is that we're like feeling it, you know Yeah, baby. Don't tell don't tell a prophecy that's like uh it like look okay Yeah, so science found out that we were revolved around the sun and yeah So somebody prophesied that we didn't but that's not the point the point is that we felt like we didn't Well, here's one of the things that's really interesting is that like um in terms of

um This this miss white paula white her prophecy that she talks about with her child paula white cane She is a christian show. She would prefer to be uh referred to she's referred to by her both Uh, well, I think if there's anything that we have heard so far It's that she would prefer to be subservient to her husband who sits there excited through all of this and make sure that everybody knows that Her choices are absolutely Uh, uh, subsumed by his fine paula cane then. Yeah, there we go. Um, I don't even like I don't even like paula. Let's call her mrs. Kane so miss uh

if you're nasty So the uh, the idea is uh that she has of her first like old time prophecy is just this vague idea of like I'm going to be listened to and if I stop then people will be hurt right that sort of thing And that's just a good origin story. I don't begrudge that that's nice Um, but then the other prophecy no toxic avenger, but I'm fine with it Well, the other prophecies that she gives are just counterfactuals of real things that did happen Like here is one that she gives about what would have happened if trump hadn't of won Which to me is a shitty prophecy because it's like

Great, what are we on alternate earths? What are we doing? Like this isn't a this isn't a multiverse marvel Comment and god said to me if I did open my mouth then the twin towers would fall so I did oh Fuck that was me. They don't recognize how much we were on the verge of losing what we call we call it religious liberties But the reality is I or oppressions. Well, I believe and I'm going to make a bold statement that I've never made publicly But I believe that had god not divinely intervened through the church Through the church praying through our our our obedience through an awakening and giving us this a moment There's a window and if we miss this I believe the church in america would have been an underground church within five years I do

Five years, that's why god told me why I couldn't give it up if they only understood How many believe that Come on We come to Almost fucking nobody that's how many people believe that everybody was like wait five years. What are you talking about? Yeah, but that's a delightful counterfactual prediction that is like had things not gone the way they did in reality Here's a consequence. I imagine for it to scare you about why we need to support trump because he is in and is avoiding The church is becoming an underground church like fuck and if you don't support trump

Then the majority religion that runs this entire fucking country will become an underground church in five years five years Five years. Yeah, that would be fast. I think that the reality is that if um, you know On a national level Conservatives republicans have not done traditionally all that well in the last hundred years or so last 50 years Particularly they've not won a ton of elections, especially ones that didn't involve george w bush his dad or nixon Which is why they learned how to cheat better Uh, speaking of george, uh, w bush, uh, yeah, so I think that what she's expressing

Is actually probably an accurate prophecy, but has nothing to do with the christian church going underground But like eventually if people keep You know making liberal progress Our con is not going to be allowed at a certain point people are going to get sick of this The word's gonna get out on us and do our livelihoods are gonna be completely busted at a certain point If we will have to go underground not the church if people's lives improve To the point where our fear mongering bullshit doesn't really make sense even to them

Yeah, we're fucked. Yeah, we are straight fucked. We need to make sure what like Why else would they join the side of the coke billionaires and the like is because if people's lives aren't shit They're not gonna go and like we get back to the uh, the uh Um Oh, shit. Now. I can't remember. Uh, maslow's hierarchy of needs, right? Like if you have all of those needs on the base level, then you are not afraid of Uh, you know, uh, somebody from another country is coming to take my job Do you know why i'm not afraid of that is because I have my needs met and i'm comfortable in what i'm doing

Right, and if i'm not afraid of immigrants coming to take my jobs or or or all of that shit Then i'm really not going to be picked it picked up by the con men Because I don't have that I don't have that fear to play on I don't have that imaginary hole that these people are offering to spill for me So of course the of course religions of course all of these things are jumping in with that because they need a base level of misery Otherwise, they're not going to be successful. But I also don't think that it's Most religions I understand that it's very easy and the numbers are real bad in terms of especially evangelical christians and stuff like that

But I also think that most of the evangelical christians are under the sway of a really toxic version of christianity I don't think christianity as a whole is bad. I think very smart christians exist Uh, very scholarly christians who write essays about how polo white is a uh heretic things like that Right, right. What we've done is we've entered a world where uh, like anti intellectualism has metastasized to include everything So you have these con men who are like rebuking the very idea of knowing things You have trump who doesn't like I don't want to get briefed about stuff I don't give a shit my impulses are are perfect. So now you have that right like this distrust of uh, like politics as a Thing that like or even like take politics out of it because that is an inherently dirty game

But like diplomacy or international relations. It's like now. Fuck that. No one needs to study that I know better because of my great genes that I have. Yeah, yeah So you have him infesting that sort of world. You have someone like paula white Probably has much more influence than jim baker. Uh, we're being totally honest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And you have her who she doesn't have a degree from a seminary. She's not like, uh, she hasn't studied the bottle in a formal In a formal wait, what what no, but so she has you know, fake accreditation Right and and she's the doctor group of christianity exactly and she comes in with a heretical version of a misunderstanding of what christians believe about

Jesus and you have just like hey, you know what she's super charismatic and fun and like let's fucking let this Let's let this become dominant. Yeah, and it's not just her but there are tons of her Around there. Oh, yeah, within the evangelical community. Yeah, and they're leading well-meaning people into Um, a complete idiotic world And that's what bums me out because I think a lot of people who are and this is me going back to my dumb centrist roots But like this is something that I care about a lot Like I know a lot of really good christian people. Like my parents are devout christian

Folk and I can confirm they are the people that you say they are they're great and they're also very liberal They're progressive as shit. Right. They're very understanding of like the ideas of the teachings of jesus being um, adaptable and and and Metaphorical on some level, you know, like you don't have to be beholden to these dumb ideas about like I watched a video where they were talking about uh, like where paula white was on another show and they were talking about like Why the prosperity gospel is the truth and that's because when adam Was sent out of the garden of eden. It was about the like the the sweat of his brow He would work and it would mean nothing

He would have all this work and it would never come to uh the middle It would never it would never be made right But jesus had the crown of thorns on his head and they humiliated him and he bled from the brow And it was the parallel of the uh, the the The in like the poverty that was was thrown on adam And so there was a metaphor of economic Redemption that i'm bringing to you through jesus that makes the least sense of anything I have ever heard in my entire life. It's just because the idea of the brow the word brow being used. Yeah in both contexts

Yeah, I mean like one of those is like farming is hard and then the other one is like getting murdered as hard Right, but you have stuff like that where people are trying to twist the literalness of Of of scriptures and I think a lot of christians get a really bad shake and I know that I have now abandoned my uh desire to defend republicans No, and and I I still think I still think I hold out hope and I believe that there are a lot of great christians in the world Look, you you're you're talking to me I my family is fucking nuts Like they are like all of the shit that she is saying They would totally say and if they if they listen to this episode if everybody in my family listen to this episode

I swear to god, they wouldn't even hear the ad pivots Like it would just like like some part of their brains would just And they'd be like no what she's saying Is good and true and prayer is good and honest and and I believe that and I'm like no I get it You're just missing the ad pivots part. You realize that you're being tricked Yeah, and they can't because you're you're focusing on the fatty meat When you need to see the skeleton of what's supporting that meat on the animal and part of it is just like they

They're not bad people. I my family is they're they're wonderful beautiful people. I I'm not going to I'm not going to paint my my family is something awful Like if they they would give you a right sandwich. I don't I don't fucking know No, need to whatever whatever your basis unpack all of that now whatever your basis for like an okay person is sure, but if if like You can't go back on it to them in in their way at a certain point It's almost like they're pot committed, you know, like they're playing poker and they're like well We've already put all of our chips in yeah, why why would we stop now if they because it's it's it's money protecting bad money

Right. It's it's because and I can't quit this job I hate because I've worked here 10 years and also at the same time Uh for so many of these people even if my parents even if my mom and dad who have been with this church for like 20 years Even if they know It's bullshit If they leave it Now they don't have any friends man. It's true. That's tough. Now. What are they gonna do? Yeah, what are they gonna go? A card club like they they've got nothing. There's a hundred possibilities, but it is tough. It's scary

Yeah, you just let all of that shit go. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, there's an ad pivot, but I'm not going to give them money So it's really not about me. Right. I yeah, it's a prosperity gospel, but I don't really worry about the possibility bars I'm just I'm just doing that for the for the god like it's of course. I get it Yeah, it's just you're you're fucking you're ruining it. Yeah, and unfortunately people like apollo or people like a gym has much deeper Things that they want um They have issues that they care about that are not so much About being religiously based or anything like that They like the reason that jim almost jizzes on himself with that pen signed the stripping of the johnson amendment

It was a great pen though is because what he cares about is using the church That he has in a political way Because that will allow him to open up so many more vistas of fundraising Yep, there's so many more things that he'd be able to do in a tax-free environment If he's able to not have the irs breathing down his neck about what you can and can't say Like those sorts of things would be so I just want to thank god for making the crimes that I committed before Legal now by electing donald trump

There's so many benefits that he stands to gain from it. It's fucking ludicrous to think that So at one of my old jobs. I uh, I had a uh Something happened or whatever and the corporate head sent me a pen Fuck pens sure fuck pens. What are you doing? It's a fucking pen. Ah, I just come on man I disagree on my last fucking doing my last day work at my old office. This guy named trez came in Yep, this guy ran a couple coffee shops and uh, he was an awesome dude It's one of the only uh people I actually liked interacting with I worked in a role where I had to collect overdue amounts

From people who uh, like bought our coffee and shit And uh, he'd always be pretty behind that's because he was super busy He'd always come into the office about once a month or so with a checkbook and be like here I'm gonna get even Hey, come in. He's super awesome. He's just a really really fucking nice guy. Yeah, and cool and fun Every time he came in very exciting to see. He's a nice guy. Um, he's the paul of white Yeah, yeah, no no because he wasn't a shithead But he he came in on the last day uh that I

Or around my last day work. I think it was like like my second last day. Um, and he's like, oh, I want to I give you this and he gave me a pen from his uh coffee shop. Yeah, I still have it I thought it was a really I thought it was really sweet. Very nice thing Uh, here's a thing on the thing on the end of it so you can use it to like as a stylus It's a good pen. It's a cute thing. I but it also just the sentimentality of it meant a lot Whereas I if if paul was saying like donald trump signed a bill with this and I know it doesn't mean anything But it's a sentimental artifact of my time or whatever. I'd respect that more than uh Jim baker being like I've waited my whole life for this

That's very different, you know, anyway, that is very enough pen talk Now let's get to historical revisionism So you have to hand we're invented by americans Was the purpose of america? What was the purpose not for us to slaughter babies? Not for us. Oh people get upset if I start going on that I mean, I can start keep continue to go the purpose was when our forefathers came over that we would not Have a state religion. That's right. They they took their crosses when they landed at plummet

Then when they walked that which they did not and they put their white crosses down and they dedicated this land And said it will be a lighthouse for god to submit All of the people With the blood of everyone who was here before this particular nation as a sacrament. Thank god But I even even taking that aside. I don't think that the original intent was that like This will be a christian way station on the way to other places I don't know I think I think that what we have there more importantly whether or not that's

blatant historical revisionism or not What you have there is absolutely a declaration that what we want is a goddamn theocracy Yep, we want this to be and we believe that it was supposed to be and it's not because of these demon folk Who are you and I? I I mean, there's there's a certain part of me that respects it Because Here's what you're doing me. Yeah. No. No. No. I mean if you're them

You're taking everything that humanity has ever done And are going like ooh No, that doesn't sound great and that really doesn't support my argument So i'm gonna make my own up And my own human history supports what I want to do So let's just make that the real human history. Okay, like that makes perfect sense, right? Yeah Like if I just convince enough people that reality isn't reality, then they'll do what I tell them to do And she's good at it

Yep, like I I mean, I've had this conversation. I I feel like I keep having this conversation more and more uh Recently than I think I ever have before which is just like what we've always Uh Talked about which is like a conversation doesn't happen until there's an agreement of terms an agreement of definitions It's a classic idea. What what is what when you say table? Are we talking about table? Yeah, and we are no longer doing that conversation can't happen without yeah There is a conversation to be had with somebody who believes that the founding fathers wanted a christian theocracy

What do you say? Well, here's a good uh good or or or you believe that god wanted the founding fathers to have a God with the father, you know like what do you say to that? Well, here's a good uh concrete example of that like if you look at the the reality of traveling to north korea and talking uh with that that Deal he made with a non-binding uh statement that they made which has turned out to be one of the most Hilarious things that they are but but rubbing their asses in our faces and I think it's hilarious But we get back to this idea of the beginning of a conversation is the definition of terms And you have

denuclearization as being a term that has been agreed on in this A statement that they made right, uh, but to us or to trump denuclearization is a one-sided thing where uh, he gives up all of his nukes and submits Whereas for him the term denuclearization is a Everybody it's a you know, they got more. Yeah, uh unilateral thing. Yeah, whereas south korea gives up their weapons The entire peninsula becomes de-weaponized the united states scales back Uh involvement and stuff like that so you can come to an agreement that says we believe in denuclearization But if one side thinks it means x and the other thinks y then you don't have anything no this agreement doesn't mean anything

It's it's not real right and that is the congress That's the impossibility of the conversation we keep having It's the reason why bad faith actors like alex jones All of his ilk all of the commentators on the right. Yeah, why they are uh, such a big problem is that we We don't have a consensus about what we mean and they are doing that intentionally And that is because they can't have the conversation on like a level playing field Of course not because when it doesn't make any sense because when you nail things down people can't wiggle You know what I mean? Like you can't you can't get around it. You can't be like

Well, what do you believe in and then make a hard declaration of what you believe in? Well, and this has happened. This has happened to everybody Uh, absolutely and it's something that we all I I think is one of the big things as far as growing is like getting over this Is when you are talking to somebody when you're having an argument and they start to pin you down You start to feel it though Like there's a there's a certain point where you start to feel like oh shit. I might I might be wrong And instead of for I what like this is humanity like 95 percent of us instead of saying like Oh, no, okay. Tell me more about that. You're like

Well, that's not what I was saying right and that's the end and dismount fast exactly No, I wasn't saying that And then that allows you to continue believing the same shit that you for a brief instant You had that chance you had that moment of like Maybe I could be wrong here and I could say I'm wrong and then I could change my uh, my my two things that I do in that situation is uh Well, I mean the first thing is universal and that is I assess Then the second thing is either I reject your premise this conversation stupid

Yeah, if that's the case or I laugh and like oh man, I was off Yeah, because I get who cares right if you're wrong about something and you're wrong about something It's not the worst thing. I think that's one of the most fun things that I Have experienced with this uh with our whole podcast is always just like eventually I I'm either wrong. I'm either like no. Yeah, you're right All of the stuff I said was dumb because it was based on information that I didn't really have and you have that information But I also still don't think you're dumb like your reasoning. It's not it's not that you know

That's what I'm that's what I'm saying like that's that's part of the indictment of you. That's part of growth though That's part of the thing makes me excited to do this pot like when we talk about uh, it's boring for alex to continue to say all this stuff For me, it's really exciting because I like Not being wrong and when I'm wrong That's just a super exciting opportunity for me not to be wrong later. You know like it's great I like learning shit and so often like with these people you could tell them You could and you you could rhetorically have an argument where they're like

But maybe if I and you just keep pinning them down just like hey stay in the pocket This is what we're talking about. No way. This is what we're talking about a chance. You are staying right here with me This is what we're saying. We'll not do that until you and I agree that this is what we're talking about We are not talking but this is why philosophers don't go on info wars or like right This is why people who are actually good at like uh, like Conversation right in that sense don't go on these shows. It's because See, but I think that's also one of the problems is that No, no, no, no, no, I I'm I'm not talking with these philosophers. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I won't they debate

I'm not talking about it in that regard. I I made a subject themselves to this level of bullshit. No, I made a leap Uh, that I didn't let you in on no, I know so apologies I I I understood the implied leap that you were making but at the same time just on its face That was oh, yeah, no, it's dumb. No, of course not. Why won't the like it is a problem that smarter people don't go on these shows Yes, no, that's how what I'm talking about. No, I understand but that was a piece of what you were saying and yes, it is a problem that like you know that

This will never get better if these worlds like what it is is this Is uh, is a infected tooth Uh, jim baker. Um, alex jones is another infected tooth Right, and it's not going to get better until you put some medication in there. You do like a root canal and that root canal is probably Uh, smart people showing up and be embarrassing them on their own show or something like that But you like right, but I think that's where one of the big disconnects happens

And also as we've seen like dr. Dean Adele has gone on that volcanologist So people go on and they do a root canal and the behavior of eating candy all night happens again And then you have another That's what i'm trying to say. That's what i'm trying to say is that it is not That smart people don't say this stuff to them. It is that The way the way that you put it is what triggered triggered it for me when you said Well, it's that people who are good at this kind of thing don't go on there And that's the way people view it too often. You're not you're not right

You're just better at arguing than me. Well, steve pacenic is really good at arguing right, but that's brilliant But that's the way that people get out of being in that conversation with you I've had this happen to me plenty of times tons of people who are good at arguing go on alex jones' show right tons of them But they're just right old into the same ideas as alex So they never have an argument, but if their argument is losing They will say it is not because their argument is bad or is because their argument doesn't make any sense They'll say it's because you're just better at arguing than me It's a it's a question of who is dominating this argument not whether or not your ideas make any sense

And that's the way that so many people view it I mean that even goes back to alex talking about when he was on that, uh, british show He's like i dominated that interview. Yeah, that's why so many that's that's the heart of so many fears about Sending their kids to college with these evangelical communities is like No, no, no, it's not that they're it's you're gonna think That they have knowledge that you don't know But what it really is is they're just tricking you with better arguments because we don't teach you how to argue You don't need to know how to argue. God says don't argue. They're sneaky highfalutin city learning. Exactly. They're they're and that's

That's the anti-intellectualism. Yeah, is the the idea that it is about a quality of argument Being ill as opposed to A fact right I think I think some of that's certainly true But at the end of the day Jordan, I really don't think it matters because all of these things that we're particularly concerned about These issues that we've brought up here Um, certainly the anti-intellectualism the nature of argumentation the agreeing on terms These sorts of things that are really important in having a conversation It doesn't matter with these people because there's one thing that this is about

So if you can see exactly what he is calling you you right now to get up on the phone And and sew that $45 seed not just to get the book not just to get the prophetic series But so that this message can keep going forth so that you can see what he is called Bother them that it's really close to 40 pieces of silver doesn't even bother Do they even for a single fucking second about that? Nope. It doesn't matter and uh, we have one more clip where paula goes a little bit too hard But but I've had the same things the death threats And and spiritually and naturally it's their spiritual assassins and naturally they they said there's things after your life But you know what I did john and I grabbed each other the other night. We put our feet in oil

We started taking communion. All right. I like this. We took a prophetic instruction and we obeyed Because god told us to sew an amount We took the mount and god told us to sew it into a certain thing because he said it would be for the preservation of our life And for the preservation of our children We obeyed god and somebody needs to obey god right now because you need to give a lot more than 45 dollars You need to get thousands of dollars in obedience for the word of the lord that is coming Because it's going to preserve you and your family and when we did this and we preserved. Here's how I prayed I didn't pray. Oh god. Will you just keep?

She sewed 45 bucks into a couch. I think that's what she just described She just described you're trying to make the metaphor of the literal. Here's what she just described She just described her and her husband Uh, uh, who controls all of her finances and who refuses to allow her to speak for herself Of course, she is subservient to him in every possible way. Yeah, uh, they were told by god to sew some money Into a place for the protect of their children. You I'm gonna go with miss spelling You're misspelling the word you're thinking it's s e w. It's s o w. I'm gonna go with couch Sowing seeds. This is just the basis. Yeah, this is the soto season to a couch. No, this is the basis of

The prosperity gospel stuff. We've talked about this over and over again But when I hear her say that what I hear is I'm gonna lie and say that we put our feet in oil and uh, then had communion that Was they took a bath together and drank wine shirt, which I love That's great. I hope your relationship is wonderful sexy But the idea of her sowing this seed or whatever what she's talking about is I made an investment And now I'm trying to imply to all of you that you need to do the same thing

But with me 400 to make an investment in me. Yeah No, of course, it's the same it's the same fucking thing I still kind of believe they put it into a couch or something I bet they I I do bet they have like a safe or something like that in their house These these folks never exist without a grain of paranoia somewhere. No, no, no, it's it's definitely there Hard cash on hand. No, she's trusting a bank as much as that was a metaphor That was also a very real story about a very real discussion that they had about oil on their feet Something no, I mean like for real that does sound like her dramatizing a

Like we took a foot bath. No, it's a dramatizing a story of an investment decision. Yeah, it's not like it's not like god told us to give away a Recognizable amount of our fortune like it's not that That I don't believe that for a hot second, of course not But she wants to buy that it is in order to make it seem like you have to give more So anyway, the reason that I end with this is that like again For all of our intents and our pretenses of trying to have a real conversation about what these people are up to

It always boils down to this stuff Yeah, always boils down to 45 dollars over and over again saying give me 45 dollars and after that being like that That's not enough. It's thousands of dollars. You need to give 10 of everything And the reason is because I have this magic pen and I'm friends with our god king Uh, who is the president? It's disgusting. Um, and this sort of behavior is going to lead Down the road to a gross gross theocracy. I really feel like america was founded on like a

like Man, there was something about kings. I remember when america was like started They were like they had like opinions about kings. I'll tell you kings is one of my favorite uh, steely dan songs off of uh, Can't buy a thrill. Oh, yeah album one of the deep cuts You know, everyone knows reeling in the years Shit like that, but which is the lamest one on that's on that album They had a song called kings. It was a fucking banger kings. Yeah Get a lot. All right. That was kid charlemagne. Never mind. That's a different song

But that was from a later album But the song kings king was uh, we've seen the last a good king richard Right, raise up your glass for good king john I was thinking about the uh, ice cube Mark wallberg, george cluney classic three kings. Well, see steely dan's version of kings was really all about uh, Fall of richard nixon and the uh, the rise of uh, jfk. So is the movie three kings. Well, absolutely I gotta go I want to talk more about steely dan

It's time to it's time to wrap this up man. They all had a nice song called midnight cruiser off that album I recommend stop stop turning into a middle-aged man in front of me. I like that now my new thing is going to be I feel like every episode talking about music. I like feel like I feel like i'm a skatman john last time now I feel like i'm a 20 year old girl Cornered by a man talking about steely dan, which is not an uncommon feeling If you've ever listened to uh, I already said midnight cruiser. I can't think of a third song Anyway, uh, these people are uh disgrace and uh, whoo-hoo good times. Uh, anyway, if you uh, can't quite I mean get it the parallels are very clear in terms of uh, where the con

Work is more important than the uh, the actual content being portrayed And that's why the the sorts of things are very relevant to our show even if they aren't alex jones Uh, but if you like our show and want to hear more of us talking ad nauseam about alex jones You can go and find that stuff over at knowledge fight.com Indeed you can follow us on twitter at that knowledge underscore fight. We're on facebook We are on facebook you can go to itunes you can like you can support the show you can Leave a review you can do a whole thing any of that shit. You can do it. You can put us on message boards We have a there are message boards right? We also have a facebook group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant

Indeed we do a lot of fun and uh, dan, I believe it is your turn. No less turn. Yeah Last time there was a cornucopia and now you have narrowed it down to a few key players I was one of whom plays the keyboard. I'm certain of who I need to give the honors at the end of this episode There's a lot of musicians Married a member of journey. So a lot of musicians in the world A lot of them are very credible musicians and some of them have technical talent But also are pieces of shit right reasons that I don't know and actually I'm probably speaking out of turn

I have no idea what their life is like, but from the age of 19 or so. I decided this guy sucks um, and hey He didn't come up on this episode, but he's involved neil shone From journey Neal shone go fuck yourself Andy and kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding Oh, I like some of her same color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you