Knowledge Fight - #183: February 12-16, 2009

Episode Date: July 23, 2018

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened between Feb. 12-16, 2009 on The Alex Jones Show. Basically, Alex can't stop talking about state legislatures introducing meaningless resolutions, but gets sidetracked from it just long enough to give some of the most reckless advice a radio host could possibly give. Also, he sings along with some country songs. [Note: apologies about the slight audio glitch]

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are, Dan.

Hey. Dan. What up? What's your favorite drink? My favorite drink is probably cranberry splash Sierra Mist, a seasonal variety that's only available during the winter months. It's delicious, just crisp enough. Enough cranberry flavor to get you through those

hush Chicago winters. That is infuriatingly specific. It is infuriatingly obscure and specific. Oh, no, I asked a question and I got an answer. I know, but it's such a you answer. For some reason, that answer just, it rankles my hackles. What's your favorite drink? Probably a Jameson and a ginger ale.

See, I'm a simple man with simple tastes. That's a very Jordan answer. That's a very Jordan answer. Yes. We are who we are, Dan. Half of the comedians in Chicago. That's true. Yeah.

Very popular drink at the open mics and shows. It's the Chicago, I don't know. I don't think Chicago can take ownership of Jameson and ginger ale. I'm not saying Chicago can take ownership of Jameson and ginger ale. Anyway, what's the point of this? I don't know. I was, we're just not doing that other bit. So I'm trying.

I know a lot about Alex Jones. I'm trying new bits. I know only what you tell me about Alex Jones. That seems fair. There we go. Um, something else that is very fair is I'd like to give a shout out to a new donor. Uh, this is another gentleman who's taken their donation, bumped it up a little bit. We appreciate it.

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Okay. Jumping back into our 2009 investigation. Last we left off, we found Alex Jones going through a cavalcade of stories about states asserting their sovereignty. Yes. If you'll recall, there were a number of states that tried to push through house concurrent resolutions saying that they won't allow tyranny. What went and they didn't.

Until now, when they are on our last episode, we tracked a number of those bills and saw that they died in committee or never got voted on or just were, you know, whatever just left alone. So we don't need to go over a lot of that. If you're interested in that, please go back to our last 2009 episode where we cover it. I only bring it up because it's very relevant where we pick back up February 12th through 16th is what we're going to cover here.

Alex is in what I can only describe as a terrible holding pattern. Oh, he cannot get off this story. Really? This story is the biggest fucking deal in the world to him. Right. Because he's hoping it's a session to point out. Exactly. That's what he's going for.

He even during the course of this time period that we're going to go over has one of the house representatives on and he talks about how this is a session and the guy's like, hold on, hold on. That is not exactly the intent of what we're doing here. So even there's a little bit of a miscommunication between him and that house representative. I am starting to believe that so our 2009 investigation, all cards on the table are about trying to find out what Alex was up to at the beginning of the

publicization of the tea party. Right. And then secondarily to figure out when he starts talking about George Soros. Yes. Those are the two things I'm sort of looking into in 2009. And I believe that this story that we discussed as a, oh, this is one of Alex's narratives on our last 2009 episode might be a huge deal.

Okay. It might be a very, very big piece of his transition towards the tea party. Okay. I'm reserving judgment on that and I think we're going to talk about this story again, but we won't on this episode because all of it is repeats. Okay. Okay. All of it.

So I'm sitting here listening to these episodes and I'm like, how the fuck am I going to, how am I going to dig something out of this? He's just, it's like he's in syndication just doing reruns. Yeah. Just like, yes, yes. States are putting through 10th amendment. He's like, great. Seinfeld's on at nine every night.

Fine. It's, it's along those lines and I just, I can't, I mean, we are, we got to do a show, you know what I mean? We do. Um, so the 12th is mostly that and then he has Mark Dyson to talk about the Illuminati and shit. And I, I don't even want to listen to the Illuminati. I don't want to listen to it because, uh, Mark Dyson is not interesting at this

point. He will become interesting a little bit later down the road when a spoiler alert he turns on Alex, uh, and starts talking about how he's a shill, right? And then mysteriously comes back as an infowars contributor. Yeah. That's when he becomes Mark Dice Clay. Uh, early on, he's still just, uh, whatever guy who's writing books about the Illuminati, uh, not trying to, uh, troll people on the streets of Venice,

right, right, right. Wearing flip flops. Um, so at this point he's just like, eh, whatever we will deal with him down the road, but, uh, in his current, uh, state, uh, unevolved state, I find him very bored. Right. So we get to the 13th and let me consult my notes here to talk about the stuff we're not going to go over.

Um, man, it's a lot of tyranny rambles. What got cut? What got cut? Man. So he does do his, his big, uh, uh, everyone stop traffic, uh, because I got a big thing coming up. Oh yeah. Though he does that again.

He does it. That's a fun thing that he does in this time period that I enjoy. I wish he could bring that back. Yeah, that'd be fun. That is, that is no fun. Now why, why isn't he screaming like everybody stop traffic? Tell the person in the car next to you. I agree with whatever the president does because he's too worried about self

driving cars, hitting his fans. Oh, that would be difficult to get into traffic. Those robots will get you trouble. Yeah. So he, he does that and because the narrative that he's trying to build up is this idea that FEMA is going to, they're trying to find places to dig up mass graves because they're going to turn on America and all this shit. They're trying to find places.

So this is all about a guy got a scout. There's a guy who wrote, uh, something on a blog. I'm not sure exactly the website, whatever. Who cares? It's just a guy with a blog. And he might be some sort of, um, conservative journalist. I don't, I don't know. Those two words don't attach to each other.

I'm not sure his bone a few days, but he is a guy who interviewed a whistleblower. Uh, and this audio has come out now. It plays it on the show. We're not going to listen to it cause the audio quality is terrible. And it's just like, I can just tell you what he says. It's Zach. No, the guy, Zach is like, Zach is not in play 12 at this point. Yeah, but he starts young.

He starts young. Could be Rex is already a contributor. It's fair point. Yep. So, um, what he says is that he worked for like a FEMA organization and that they got up or some like, uh, local, uh, local organization, not FEMA. FEMA called them and wanted to know where power plants are, where police stations are, uh, where you could make a mass grave, that sort of thing.

Did they ask that specifically? This guy says they did, but I still, that's such a, that's such an aggressive way to start a conversation. I'm not sure I 100% believe this guy's story, but even if you do believe this guy's story, all this stuff sounds like exactly what the emergency management agency might be into when you consider the possibility of outbreaks, disasters, natural disasters. There's all sorts of benign explanations for wanting to know where power

plants are wanting to know where resources are, where's hospitals, where, where are your like triage centers that on the off chance that something breaks bad, where can people get help? Right. So we don't run into situations like we had in let's say Katrina or any of these other mismanaged situations in the past. Counterpoint. It could just be somebody who is actually a white terrorist because that

seems like something they would want to know as well. Oh, so that's a prank call. It could be. I don't know. Yeah. And by point is that this, this whistleblower does not blow my mind. Um, and it's not worth stopping. How about your whistle?

It's not worth stopping traffic over. Alex spends a lot of the show talking about that, but that is not as important as we get an appearance from our man, the man who made a lot of money off Golden South Africa. Oh boy. Bob Chapman. Oh boy. The only reason I even see fit to Bobby Chaps.

Only reason I want to include this clip and his appearance is because Bob makes a very weird offer to Alex in this clip. I have to every five minutes now restrain my instinct, my survival instinct as I have small children to get out of the country. I understand that I'm a marked man. I understand that there's nowhere to run, that it's a global order. No, I have to restrain my instinct. You of course left the United States years ago seeing this, but you know,

you're growing up your children or adults. Um, you know, but I guess that's why I've expanded our operation while we're even upping the game because you know, that way. I mean, I'm just committed. I'm, I'm going to the bitter end. I just could the nightmare could all end if the dumbass and I'm sorry to use that term, but that's what it is. If the dumbass public would just wake up, man, it, it, it's so horrible,

Bob. It's my fiftieth year in this. Believe me, I believe you. I've been there and incidentally, if you want to hide your kids, I'll hide them for you. Oh, it's not even that. I know there's, you know what? I put it all in God's hands.

It's just that primitive instinct. Very weird. Very weird, Bob. Bob? Send me your kids, Alex. Send me their kids. Hey, Alex, you want to hide your kids? I will make sure they are never found again.

I mean, that's just weird. I know it's probably in their world a nice offer. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the crazy paranoid world. I bet that is a nice thing to say to people. I bet it's one of the nicest things. Oh man, I love you so much.

I would hide your kids. I would do it. Sure. I would make your kids the most nevermind. So this appearance from Bob Chapman is like we were used to this sort of Alex in present day because of the times where Steve Pachanik has come on and Alex has had to get therapy from him. Yeah.

Or John Rappaport will sometimes have to talk Alex back to life. Yeah. So Alex is in that state for half an hour. He's just complaining to Bob. He's just like, Bob, shit's dark. Also, also, let's, let's first off, there is a slight difference in why they left why Alex is saying he needs to leave America and why Bob actually left America. Bob left America to exploit apartheid.

Well, no, Alex is fake running away from fake evil. Not in 2009. You know, that was in his past. Yeah. And he was living in like Rhodesia and pre apartheid South Africa. Oh, I thought he was. I thought he was originally in the States and then know he was in those African countries back then.

Then he moved to the United States. I think he's in Canada at this point. I'm not entirely sure where he lives, but I don't think he went back to South Africa. I don't. I think that the chapter of his life is like in the seventies. Well, yeah, because he would be burned alive. It's possible.

It's possible. He's wanted. Yeah. Or not wanted. So either way, dead or alive. So about half a half an hour of them talking. Alex realizes like, oh, shit, there's a reason I have Bob Chapman on. I think the enemy may have overplayed their hand.

I think this could, this could bring them down, Bob. I think you're right. But we've got to get it to enough people, the public, but also as you say, law enforcement and we got to make them understand what these people are up to. All right, let's get into the economy. We come back Bob, Bob Chapman, the international forecaster.com. Just some days it just really hits me how real it is. I mean, I know it's real, but just when it consciously and subconsciously in

your heart, your gut, your soul hits you. They built death camps for our families. What kind of disgraceful timing is that? They've built death camps for our families. If I didn't know any better, I would think that was intentional. Like Alex, that's a joke for him or something. That is, that is a joke though. It's solid.

That's crazy. Like if you're in the middle of this sort of a conversation, tell the guy behind the board to use something else. Don't go to that song. No way. Excuse me, sir. I would like the soundtrack from Beverly Hillsop, please. But also in there, you hear they're in the middle of that conversation.

It dawns on Alex Ray in the middle of it. Oh, fuck, you're here to sell gold. Exactly. What the fuck? Why have I been complaining to you for half an hour? Yeah, your time is valuable. Obviously, it's not. You need to sell gold.

So we get, did you just say his time is valuable? I assume it is. I don't know. He's got a newsletter to write. Yeah. So he, they get back from break and Alex starts to talk to him about gold and then they talk about how great Ted Anderson's deals are and then They're so great.

Lo and behold, Ted Anderson pops up. What? Yeah, what a shot. Oh my God, are they, they're running the two-man game again. What a shot. We're not used to seeing this every time Bob Chapman's on the show. So Ted Anderson comes in, he gives his specials and then Alex gives him this one. Hey, Bob Chapman, how good of a deal as a gold and silver expert is the offered

Ted is offering? Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. Well, the thing about it is Bob, I mean, if I can get in here. So then Ted Anderson's like, it's, it's not only a great deal. It's a great deal. I, why is Ted cutting in? He got what he wanted.

It's fantastic. It's fantastic. Hold on, Bob. No, because you don't even know how fantastic it is. Because then he goes into a long thing about how like I bought it when it was really low. Yeah. You couldn't, I got, I got fire sale prices on gold because I care about you.

I still don't understand this, this whole gold business. We have been doing this show. Ted Anderson has been hawking gold for the entire show. Yeah. And I still kind of don't understand how the economics of this fucking shit works. I don't understand what you're confused about. Wait, wait. It's so you, it's so he buys gold at a lower cost than what it is now.

And then he sells you gold at the cost that it is now. No. Because then it's going to get more. No. So he, how does this, how does this fucking business model work? Do you want? I don't understand. Does he find gold?

Does he buy it? Does he, is he getting this from ships? Are there, are there, is he a diver? Is this, what is this? Is this flotsam? I don't understand. Do you want to know the truth or the scam? I don't want to know the scam.

So the scam is I bought this gold when it was $70 an ounce. Yeah. Now it's 85. I'm going to sell it to you for 75. Right. Or something like that. So I'm still getting my profit margin. Right.

And you're getting even more profit margin than I am. How is that not already like, wait, wait, wait. So you're telling me a business is selling me something so I can make more money than that business. That's how capitalism works. In, in reality, he might have this, like the price at the $75 an ounce, but there's all kinds of like brokerage fees, hidden costs, those sorts of things that bump it up to,

I've read all the reports from people who've done business with them. You end up with like $95 an ounce as opposed to the 85 that it's worth. Or just because of all the hidden right. So that's the reality behind the scam. Gotcha. No matter what the price is, you're paying more for it.

And then also the people who work for him, like all the dealers that you actually individually coordinate with from all the reviews that I've read, they also do like a lot of like, well, if you want to, if you want to sell it back, we're probably only going to be able to get 65 an ounce. Of course. Of course. Like that's what you could get your profits out if you want,

but you're going to take a cut. Right. We're going to take a hit. Right. So they do that to hold people's gold hostage. Yeah. Essentially. It's how a lot of these gold and precious metal operations

that aren't very reputable operate. That's how they make money on your screwed coming and going. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Get in both ways. Yeah. And the people who helped get you in the door, the syrup

mouthed salesmen who get you in are Bob Chapman and Alex Jones. So is there like two man game? Is there like a real gold business? I mean, sure. I assume so. I don't know what it is. I haven't done any research into it.

But I'm sure I'm sure that there is. I mean, I think that there are like reputable collectors in the world. I don't I don't know if I would assume that most of the if you want to make a profit off precious metals. Most of those people are probably scams, but if you're already rich and you just want to collect cool coins and stuff like that, right?

Now that I understand. I think that there's probably a lot of reputability in that world. I do. I cannot get past the idea of gold bars too. This is what's really frustrating. You got to get over that. It's mostly.

And he keeps saying coins and you keep saying bullion and all this shit. And I'm like, I just want a gold bar. If I'm going to invest in gold, I want to I want to bar and I want to have a stamp on the top of it. I recommend you look into gold bars and see the actual size of most of them and also the value of a lot. Yeah, they're tiny, but they're super expensive.

Right? Those are the chocolate ones. Okay. All right. I see now. That's what I really want. Yeah. So the 13 we've got Bob Chapman and oh, holy cow.

Willie Walker showed up. Oh, is that doing a two-man game? So that was Friday the 13th. Yes. In a spacious state for Bob to offer to hide Alex's kids and of course Saturday 14th. No show. And we get back on the 15th on Saturday or I'm sorry on Sunday

and most of this show is Alex being petty as hell about Barack Obama in his first clip. I just think I was like, what are you doing? What are you doing? This is in response to the bailout bill has been discussed. Yes. And then Obama went on vacation over the weekend. Oh, no, you can't do that.

And that means Alex has got to turn this into a gossip show. And then, well, let me here's an article right here. What's the rush urgent stimulus on hold for the Obama's weekend off after pushing Congress for weeks to hurry up and pass the massive $787 billion stimulus plan President Obama probably took off for a three-day holiday getaway Obama arrived at the home in Chicago on Friday and treated his wife to a Valentine's Day dinner downtown last night.

That's sweet. The couple was spotted leaving upscale table 52 which specializes in southern cuisine with the first lady toting would appear to be a doggy bag. The president plans to spend the president's day weekend in the Windy City. It is unexpected to sign the bell until why did you say doggy bag with civviously?

Why is there a stronger bag furthermore? Let's I mean, I understand the desire to be thrifty. But Michelle, you're the first lady. You don't need leftovers. I'm just saying you don't need leftovers. I like to imagine they gave it to a homeless person. Oh, but I just love the idea because what really like he had already gotten everything he needed out of it to be like

look at these. He went on vacation. Yeah, they went to a nice restaurant. Yeah, he doesn't. The only thing you get out of being like a doggy bird like that sort of thing is like she can't finish her meal. Yeah, I know. What do you do?

Apparently the restaurant specializes in southern food which that's okay. That's a dog. Is it southern food? That's a fucking dog whistle. Do you mean do you mean like a down home country food? No, you don't do you? I doubt it.

I just think it's really funny though, like especially in like the modern day. So weird. So fucking weird. But here's the other here's the reason I think we don't hear about that like we don't hear about Trump's vacations except from people who are like this is his seven millionth weekend consecutively playing golf at one of his properties that they

are paying for because he is committing a violation of the emoluments emoluments clause on a regular basis. It's not like Obama owned that restaurant. Yeah, what what's different about it though is that everybody on the right is actually really relieved whenever he takes a vacation because that means at least he won't do anything fucking. So he's going to do some stupid fucking tweets, but it's not

going to be like and you know, Trump just announced that he was going to sell Florida to Russia. So you know, like they're like, oh, thank God, we've got a couple of days off. I think I will. I don't think anybody wants him in anywhere near the White House, but let him let him stay at one of those clubs and just tweet and we'll all just pretend he's the president.

Right. Put a big wall around. Yeah, yeah. No, you get to go. You're a big boy. Oh, he's inviting Putin to the White House. Don't do that. Get a Putin lookalike.

Send Yakov Smirnov. Yeah, he won't fucking know. Yeah, he's an idiot. He's lost his goddamn mind. Yeah, perhaps I just I just like looking though at this like very benign example of a presidential. They went to an upscale restaurant for Valentine's Day. Yeah, it is very sweet of Obama to do like they love each

other. Also, it's president's day weekend. If there's any time a president should be able to like I'm going to go home this weekend. I'm going to I'm going to do my holiday. Yeah, it's president's day. It's literally for me one person in the country. I am shocked that you guys are even allowed to say it's

president's day. It's classified that this is just forever my day off. It's super crazy. So that's not the only thing he's getting weird about on this episode. So weird to live in that way. It's so weird to live be back in 2009 where it's like and the president took his wife out for a very sweet Valentine's Day

dot dot dot instead of like and the president paid a hundred and forty thousand dollars through a fake lawyer to a porn star that he fuck because he didn't want the story to get out that porn star by the way he fucked almost during his wife's birth and their and their apparently tapes of the loiterer and yeah what do you and everybody's we're just we're just living in a world where it's like sure I guess this is just how we live now back then it was so amazing.

Oh he wore a brown suit everybody's angry. He ate a hot dog. He ate a hot dog. It was a southern hot dog. So also another thing that Obama did. I don't know if you know this he crashed somebody's plane at least according to Alex is very serious and there we go. All right.

So a 9 11 truther of sorts was in a plane that crashed. These things happen yes Alex would have you know that this was no coincidence Obama remarks on plane crashed him unless you can pull up the video this on YouTube but real quick. So he's talking about this situation with this 9 11 truther who was in a plane that crashed and these are Obama's statements on yeah yeah but here's the tax president Obama this from the Washington Post.

Well thank you all for being here before I begin I want to say a brief word with the terrible tragedy that took place outside of Buffalo last night our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends who lost loved ones and as always our thanks goes out the brave first responders who arrived immediately that goes on tragic events such as these remind us of the fragility of our life the value of the end of every single day.

One person is stood that will this is him babbling because it's not me reading no hey Alex want to try that sentence again because it makes perfect sense one person who stood that well was Beverly Eckhart who was on that flight and who I met with just days ago you see Beverly lost her husband on 9 11 became a tireless advocate for those families whose lives were forever changed on September 11th day of course she knows Hillary Clinton is a high power Democrat she was

she's dead now so there is that report right there very very suspicious if you do the actuary math on someone who lost a husband 9 11 yeah with someone who had just met with the president with someone who just died in a plane crash and in the fact that she was a 9 11 truth or and it is billions to one conservatively I want to go I want to go to Pat trip just goes to cause billions it's billions to one well I mean that's conceivably true but I mean if you just pick out a

bunch of variables from anybody's life like you and me doing this episode of the podcast if you extrapolate out like someone who lived in Hawaii versus someone who does a podcast with someone who was born in a cult and neither of them died on 9 11 well you know you know what I'm saying Alex gets much more mileage out of his idea of what actuaries are then he deserves like the idea that yes this is a very very unlikely thing but it does happen like that's not that like just because there

are certain aspects that are like that doesn't mean it that doesn't mean it's suspicious also I imagine you need to introduce the suspicion part I imagine that there are enough 9 11 truthers who fly places many that statistically sooner or later one of them was going to go down right this one just happened to be somewhere in a proximity that was close to the president or she had met with Obama in the days before which doesn't again it's not suspicious and 9 11 truth or was

allowed to meet with the president I'm starting to think I didn't do any research into this because I was just I don't give a shit but I'm starting what I believe is maybe she's not as much of a 9 11 truth or is Alex paints her to be and more someone who is an advocate for the families yeah of the sir of the dead yeah 9 11 I think that's probably more and I think that you probably did want more of an investigation I think a lot of people have and and and fairly so so I think

Alex painting her as a member of his kind of 9 11 truth organization may be inaccurate yeah I don't know enough to say but that's what me gut says yeah but who cares man Alex cannot make Obama sound stupid he wants he's trying so hard that's just him fumbling he's trying so hard to he's trying to talk sarcastically he's trying to like do all these different things but if you just listen to the words you're like oh yeah that's a that's good well constructed sentence

he's a good writer he's got speech writers he's doing great yeah he's doing he's doing a good job talking it's taking time out of a press conference at the start to you know comment on something really sad that happened in pay respects that's something he didn't need to do at all no so most of the rest of the show is just a lot of that states are declaring their sovereignty stuff yes a lot of a lot of talk about that but and Alex says this and I think it's just good to reinforce

that Alex Jones's opinions in 2009 are not consistent with what he would believe in the future that's right the NRA is a pro gun control group and more and more of that's coming out they push the 68 gun control acting got it passed they were set up by the federal government in 1870 they're there to neutralize and control gun owners and now gunners of America is now on record the NRA is a pro gun control group but they pose like their pro gun so he's he's pretty anti NRA

at this point I know that what's going to end up happening is he's going to say that the NRA changed at some point they became more lunatic right and I agree they did become crazier oh they got they got wild but he's the way he's presenting them as a gun control group that wasn't even true in 2009 that's that's silly now that's just because he's super in with Larry Pratt and gun owners of America who again as we pointed out on our roulette episode Larry Pratt is

one of the people who gets tricked by Sasha Baron Cohen in that new documentary right so that's delightful by being wonderful man absolutely yeah it's a it's I I'm not going to watch that the show I'm out I have no interest in it but I'll watch it but you know what it's it's like as the kids say I'm there for that yeah oh are you did you watch no I haven't seen it but I do want I watch it as soon as it's put in front of me yeah that's kind of position I'm I don't like I don't like

it what why do you I get I get the idea that it's fun to make them say outlandish things like we're going to arm children and put them in a school I don't find that funny or outlandish because what they're saying now seems like it's it should have been enough but you know what what they say now about getting one entrance for schools that why do you need to go further than that that's insane we should all be laughing at that well yeah overton window has gone so far that you have to it's

a you might as well have these people be cartoons I was ridiculous I almost think the better way to do this as a parody is like put it out as a serious show and never say that it's a Baron Cohen doing yeah yeah something like that just like just like because they would probably promote it oh yeah if it was put out as a serious show they never realized it was a prank right because they didn't realize it was a prank while it was happening yeah that would be great anyway

that'd be a great we get we get Ted couple is he dead I don't know let's let's kill him I give him a I give him a real unenthusiastic maybe let's get him to we do a pure we do the exact same show but with Ted couple you're right it would crush in the conservative media and it wouldn't they you're they wouldn't be ashamed they wouldn't say they were tricked they would promote it that's the no that's the failing with that idea is that the conservative right would

fucking love it most likely yeah they're just like those just like those politicians were we're like yeah let's unarmed kids if we put it out as a serious show conservatives would be like why haven't we already armed kids yeah why don't we entertain this as a possible line of rhetoric yeah cuz everything else we say is stupid why not throw Oliver North could do a commercial for that right now even after the joke played by Sasha Baron Cohen and most of the conservative

right if not all would be like that's actually a good idea yeah I know it was a prank show but it doesn't mean there's not good idea yeah yeah these guys they are they are really doing a great job there so that's the end of what we're gonna cover on the 15th cares we had to move along just because I and I I know I'm giving short shrift to a lot of stuff and there's there's little bits of nuance but most of it is really just talking about that state sovereignty

stuff like it's most of what he's doing in this time and I need to get out of this like stretch of a couple day so we're we're barreling through and I look forward to further episodes that don't have as much to do with this because I'm getting goddamn tired of hearing about it but I think I'm gonna hear a lot more about it the states have declared their sovereignty yes and when we get to the 16th here February 16 2009 Alex pivots the narrative a little bit so he starts the show not

by talking about the states that are declaring their sovereignty ooh the states that aren't how many days did it take him to get there it took a while but at least I appreciate it's a difference you know but at the same time it's kind of scary he's got a little sponsor says his proposal is more about states rights and about gun rights well it all ties together so another example of the state saying no no no the states can also be tools of the feds and by extension tools of the globalist

sure long pause here because many states are not declaring sovereign here defending the republic they are actually selling out through manualization to the united nations and other international organizations private corporations they're helping the feds bring in tyranny and are willing accomplices aiding and abetting this high treason so if you if you if you parse that out what he's getting at

is that the states that aren't doing these house concurrent resolutions and as we know from living in the present which is the future of 2009 a lot of those didn't pass so they are failures in defending the republic in what way could a state declaring sovereignty be considered defending the republic will see that that is an interesting well it's because I good I mean if you find me find me any explanation where that makes sense I can explain it to you based on

Alex's world all right he believes that the federal government doesn't really exist because it's been taken over by the globalists right any point in history if he's not happy with who's in charge globalist globalist so the federal government doesn't really exist so what he wants yes at this point in 2009 is very specifically secession but it's the secession where states assert their sovereignty dissolve the federal government and then bring it back together

in his weird patriot version of a federal government which would still it necessarily involves some level of global involvement it would still involve some some level of you know supremacy clauses in terms of you know just murders illegal everywhere it should be that's a you know I don't think it is that in America yeah not in America it's not well on paper you know so like I his idea is this awesome thing where you break

up the union then bring it back together and it's original better form or whatever sure but it's the it's the same problem that a lot of these these idealists that have idealistic utopian visions that are really regressive that really point back to a bygone time right they don't realize that in order to get to the starting point of their utopia you have to create hell and also the odds of you getting through that hell to reach

your ideal place is almost non-existent and along the way the people who are going to be hurt are the people who don't have anything now it makes perfect sense right so you dissolve the federal government I'm here you we have a what what would you say 20 30 decades of complete and utter chaos as the world burns right but then see fixed it sure yeah I don't I don't like I understand this is

what he thinks is going to help everything and get rid of these demon globalists that are in charge of everything right but when I look at it from like just a logistical technical standpoint the idea of like we've even talked about this before I don't understand why you you think you don't understand this you understand this I don't understand the gold thing you well you may have just forgotten that we've talked

about this it is like you can make this sort of rhetorical argument about I want to dissolve the federal government in order to have us all come back together under a better federal government right but what you're really advocating for is you don't want like you don't want the United States yeah you want a different thing you want a thing where you know can't they just say they want to own slaves I mean they just do

that it's not it's not that simple but you know that is a part of it you know it is that mentality is a part of it just say you guys are mad that they took slaves away we don't want you want to own black people or you don't ever want to see black people protections for people that sort of thing yeah dumb federal regulations that are ruining the free market regulations are terrible so the reality of what you're going to end up with is a bunch of states that

aren't going to be able to agree on anything and best case scenario end up creating two different countries that you couldn't possibly create because the contiguous states that would be on the same side of it don't connect so what you'd end up with is probably four different countries with two different ideologies yeah it would be a mess and all you would do is create a complete power imbalance in the world you would create a just a disastrous foreign policy

state oh yeah that'd be hilarious trying to negotiate treaties amongst random ass states even it'd be fantastic in 2009 like forget about where we are in the present even 2009 it would create just the worst the worst possible state of affairs for the world bananas but these are the sorts of things and I'm not even thinking about this on like a nuanced policy level these are just very basic concerns that come up to me when it's like okay if that happens what

actually is going to happen next and Alex I know that he's not that stupid and I don't think he is that's why I think there's a con involved right he has to act like he doesn't have those thoughts and realize that yeah Texas is going to become a standalone country theocracy where we can kick all the non whites out or whatever you know yeah he has to pretend he doesn't realize oh this is most likely what's going to happen you know we can go back to gay bashing not none of

these dumb wheelchair ramps that I have to build an info war studios for no those are infuriating I don't have to feel bad if I don't have any minorities working for me I hate that I don't have to feel bad ever again ever again for being myself for being white Dan why do people not like the white identity that's the real issue here I just want to be white and I never want to see anybody else. Well yeah yeah yep yeah so anyway yep we move along and

we get something that is oh so familiar to us and it's been a little while since we've taken a road down this time taking a walk down this road and this is going to be long but I think it's necessary because let's have a positive moment with Alex before he does some fucking horrible shit on this episode God damn it. Mexico. That's the way it goes.

Out of kindness I suppose he's one of those guys who only knows like four words of every verse. Like right now if he's trying to sing along and be like and the south. Red. Ain't nobody knows. Do we need a new Internet here in New York Times as they

introduce the end of the way out of the slaves because they're nearing completion of Internet to recover when the song is done. It's hard to play a little bit of this song and not let Merle Haggard have the have the end here. That's fair. I don't know whose voice I like better Merle Haggard or Whelan Jennings. That's so hard.

How far Joe fell and left his living in a cheap hotel. There is one Cleveland's cold so the story and Merle Haggard sounds like a moment. We're really listening to this. He's growing old. All right. We are back live. Remember they announced the FEMA camps after they've already

built them already prepared the police and military. Okay. So we're back live three minutes into the Poncho and left. I love it. First of all I just love that song. It's a great song. I always forget like in that song Merle Haggard sounds like if they made a Muppet of Buzz Skaggs now just like a jazzy

Muppet. There's a quiet. I always love the way he does that. Like that whole. That's good stuff. Man back in Missouri when you go to karaoke you could not go through the night without at least three people singing God damn Paco and left that doesn't surprise me and you

don't call me by my name while they were singing it did anybody say like and by the way they have weaponized dogs. We'll talk about that after the end of this song. I have like Vietnam flashback level sort of visceral reactions whenever and it hasn't happened much since I left Missouri but if I hear that song around as long as you will let me then the whole crowd goes like me.

Now I couldn't do that. I just remember being in these fucking these karaoke bars on the fringe of town. Bunch of hillbillies. I can't do Colin respond. I'm not talking down on the I'm not talking down on the good folks of the the Road House karaoke bars I used to go to a lot of great a lot of great country folk but a lot of

nights drinking slow gin too late too late out at Peppers and scuba steves. All right anyway. Let's move along. I needed to do that because first of all I love the song but secondly because I know that we've listened to Alex doing his weird DJ thing a couple of times but I don't think we've ever heard him like give a story like they're going to

kill the Internet. Yeah, talk about it when this I know that's beautiful moment is pretty great and also we need that because we are about to get into like Alex being a monster. Okay, like an absolute monster right out of Canada so a caller calls in he takes calls for most of the beginning of the 16th sure and this caller is telling him that he woke up thanks to some info wars and Luke Radowski videos some

conspiracy type type videos and then Alex says something to this guy that I think no one should ever ever say to someone like put your mic down. You're going to scream at this but like on the other end I'll explain it more in depth what I mean. Why try to tell people to me and they think I'm crazy real quick just because it was a little muddy he said I try and tell the close people to me and they

think I'm crazy talking about the things he's learned from info wars about what's going on and stuff like that. They say I'm like an occult occult and I lost a girlfriend over this that's right questioning the government is cultic trust them the pension funds aren't being robbed foreign banks aren't taking you know Newsweek isn't calling for world government run by the banks they are but if you read Newsweek and read it to them it doesn't exist because they

like being schmucks they like being slaves they like they've been taught it's cute and fashionable to be an idiot. Yeah it's like the Matrix when they tell you try to wake somebody up too late they do what they can to protect the Matrix I show them all the evidence and everything and they still deny they do the double speak. Well you need to not worry about those particular people let me guess you're trying to wake up your friends and

family. Yeah they don't they don't respect you sir they don't respect you you'll have better luck with people that don't know you. That's the next level of incredibly irresponsible as a thing to say to somebody that to me is like you know he's saying that my family says I'm in a cult and then he goes to the leader of said cult who says yourself from your family

now granted at least I mean I'm not I'm still saying that Alex his behavior is the most out of line here but at least he is still saying like not like isolate yourself from them although that is implied he's saying hey use your craziness on strangers like maybe they'll listen to you but you there's a way to say that without saying your family and friends don't respect you. On the other hand

if I had a family member who started telling me about info wars I would stop respecting them. I think it's possible to respect them and not respect that part of them. I think that there's a there's still familial love that probably exists there and what Alex is doing is trying to shut that down well yeah trying to make it like your family is actually your enemy well if you don't if you what you don't

realize you know what you don't realize is they already don't like you yeah they don't respect you they never will you know who does info wars you got to come on this is a family start talking about start talking to strangers maybe you'll find some people who are into info wars and then you've got a new family then you can make us don't you want don't you want a new family one that's really into hating global is come on that old family what is it what do what do they

want what do they want health care come on get over to info wars and I should be super clear about this what the guy is talking about is not you know I just told them I don't trust the government and they are mad at me because that's what Alex has to present as like oh yeah that's that's what I'm responding to show and I like if anybody within the sound of my voice if our show and liking it has hurt you in any way let's say you know you became so into it it ruined a

relationship stop listening yeah that would be if anybody ever came to me with like hey I like your show too much people think I'm crazy I would say I appreciate that I'm glad you like the show but it's not worth it you have a life repair your relationship try and get her back tell her that you're sorry tell her that you know what even though she is an info warrior you can still love her that's what you gotta do it's about what's inside now now I think that's the ultimate

you know they used to say yeah what's it that one fucking Democratic strategist had a Republican wife and how did they make it work a Democrat and a Republican imagine if we had a policy walk and an info warrior relationship dude that would be ridiculous and if that does exist out there I'm ordained I can form one yeah oh for sure I'm gonna come do that oh you be very clear which side was the bride and which was the groom you know you can just look at the clothing and how

many Hillary for Clinton Clinton for present shirts but let me tell you something we would still play the highway man at this absolutely absolute dance the entire silver stallion doesn't matter what doesn't matter what side you're on everybody loves the highway man come on absolutely it's good and unifying so that was really terrible I heard that and I was like Alex Alex you need you need to know what you're saying to me you can't he said it twice to him they don't

respect you that's fucked up he's a cult leader that's that's so like even you I agree with you but if you want to be like really generous to him that's at least so irresponsible like if it's not intentional to drive a wedge between his listeners and their family it's so irresponsible to to a level that like you shouldn't be you shouldn't be on air you're saying stuff like that you should not be on air it is borderline you're listening you call into a radio show act

it you're you're really really depressed you're talking to this radio host and the radio host is all of a sudden like well you know what maybe people don't like you and suicide is an option sure like that is that is the level of it's not as extreme as that but it is the same for it's the same sort of thing that people who have been a part of Stefan Malinou's cult you know he doesn't like to call it that but that's cult leaders rarely do but that's the same sort of

thing he would encourage in his listeners that defuing yeah getting abusive people out of your life and then defining abusive people as those who don't agree with my philosophy they're suppressive persons exactly hey so you see that sort of thing coming out here now it's and it doesn't happen all the time but there's enough instances of things like that that you're like you Alex stop this stop this that's terrible that's really unacceptable that's terrible so let's get that

out that now that we've gotten that terrible thing out of the way let's get that out of our mouth with this. We're going to bring down the new order. Alright let's go back to James. Government is murdering your children. We're going to talk about that. All this candy all this crud food in the school lunch program holy shit he just said that and the children eat the

food then they crash from it then they're depressed and then they put them on Redland Prozac and a bunch of other things. So that fun didn't last long now now doesn't listen to the entire eastbound and down but we did this this episode is fucking full of him singing. I didn't include the last one but he does also sing along with the the unknown stuntman. So at the end there he's getting into what's going to take

up the next couple of clips and that is his idea that they're putting coke and candy into the school food programs right in order to get your kids all jittery and hopped up on the sugar and then they get them on pills exactly which I think flies counter to most of Michelle Obama's initiatives that she put forth no healthy school. No what's healthier than coke and who you're going to trust someone who gets a doggy bag doggy bag.

You'll put a little too much I put a little stick on it. Yeah, you're right. So that is like alright Alex if you want to start down that path you're getting into what I would call slightly dangerous territory because you're not a doctor but you know I understand there's a lot of conspiracies out there and this is where you want to spend a little bit of time on your show have that let's see where he takes it.

What happened is they gave you sugar they gave you caffeine they gave you all of this you bounced off the walls they said you had anxiety problems and you know people even if they're eating healthy if they don't have a lot of physical action if they're not playing sports if they're not running around the playground at least a few hours a day they get fancy they have anxiety. I mean it's normal when you're 12 years old and you ask that

girl in your class you know to meet you at the movies or at the mall to get butterflies to have anxiety or when the bully you know after school you're walking home and he comes over and starts shoving you and pushing you have anxiety that is your power that is your engine that is your soul that's your mind your your glands giving you the real drugs that are in your body that you're meant to have and you're meant to work through those things and learn to deal with anxiety

and learn to use it. So he's starting off his self of his first self and that is that he's miss equating normal human stresses with people who have chemical imbalances and you know psychological issues I don't want to call it problems or anything like that but you know people who have. Theory okay he is a Sith Lord. All right because as we know fear.

Anxiety right leads to anger anger leads to hate right now you have to learn to use that hate that is how you go to the dark side the the Jedi the whole point is to fucking get past that and live beyond it not to use it that is exactly what a Sith Lord would say I have opened and shut that case Jordan solve cases. Fair enough I would say that all he ends up talking about like all that I that fuel is like he just goes on to say

like I work 18 hours a day like I don't know if you want to be like I'm so anxious I'm a workaholic yeah great that's a good go go be with your young kids you're trying to give to Bob Chapman you know I he's he's obviously conning although I think he does believe in the the I think this part he actually does believe like the they give you like Ritalin is evil like all all of these you know vaccines are evil and all that stuff I think he believes that yeah he's not conning

people on that I'm willing to believe most of it. He said he he's working with con people though general stubble bind yeah for sure and his wife Dr. Lebow but I do I do think he's he's genuinely against any kind of prescription type thing right. Oh well I mean no in terms of his con he's not a Christian scientist. Well he's he's sure close to it yeah but you wouldn't you

probably wouldn't say this about like if he threw out his back and he needed opiates right like you know I well none of these guys when when they need it they will do it but they're just they're just concerned with like psychiatric medication because I think rightfully they've recognized that a lot of the people who thought like fall for their cons happen to be people who have psychological conditions right and it's a good way to keep people in your tent to keep

them unmedicated right because when they're unmedicated they're more likely to have manic episodes paranoia. Yeah those sorts of things they're more likely to isolate themselves from their family like he advocated that other caller there's all sorts of ways that you can get them to be more in your camp and I don't think that that is coincidence now that is that is intentional. Well whether or not it is a front of the brain active

process where he's like I need my audience to not get healthier because if they get healthier they'll leave me or if it's just something that he subconsciously understands and so he's made that a part of his worldview or third possibility it's just a really easy way for him to come up with a wide scale thing that he's blaming the globalists for. Okay there's another aspect to it where he just consequences be damned I don't really give a shit.

Well and at the same time it well he's not hawking products at this point though so he's not right now he's not replacing like some of his sponsors are okay because in the in the present of course he's going to say don't take medication because SuperMail Vitality say that less oh yeah in the future really now granted I I don't know I don't think I I don't associate this level of it with the present day I'm hesitant to put it up on our board as a major difference between the

past and the present though it would serve as a giant difference because you know him being alright with pharmacology and stuff like that in the present would be crazy it would be strange I think that he would never go as far as he ends up going on this episode in the present I would say that. Okay strap it in Jordan because you're only alive once so son put your foot down on the pedal never mind them breaks because we got a run to make now I'm gonna be very clear here

with you and we have medical doctors on you do not want to go off those drugs called Turkey and when you try to get smaller pills you know smaller increments of the drug they're going to say why why do you want to go off this who told you that you want to and I'm not going to practice medicine here I'm gonna tell you to go research what medical doctors have said you need to titrate the dose downwards you need to bring it down over I'd say a two month period and I would also

have a regimen of not watching as much TV or playing video games getting healthy at the same time and exercising and going out and looking at the stars at night. Okay and all right same time what helps people pull themselves up is you need to volunteer at local soup kitchens and see people who are star starving or people that are drunks are on drugs and see people with diarrhea running down their legs that will raise your soul by helping helping them and

it'll let you know how blessed you are and how good you've got it and then you won't be depressed because by helping others you are fulfilled. So we need to prop up the capitalist system there by creating a lower class of drunks and people with diarrhea running down their legs who then you really go for you to help and feel better about yourself because you have gone and help Alex one's last time you went to the soup kitchen

also like I save for the part where he's legit saying people should slowly get off their meds that's good advice save for that part the rest of it is okay the like they were hippie Dippy wishy washy stuff about eat better exercise look at the stars look at the stars I don't hate that is advice but I do hate the idea of Alex Jones well I mean at the same time you know if if a doctor was telling you don't stop taking this you have to lessen the dose if you're in the care of a

doctor and they're saying that cool Alex Jones saying that very different thing he doesn't know anything about who's listening he doesn't know anything about the caller that he's talking to he doesn't know anything about the caller who he just told their family doesn't respect them he doesn't know anything about these people and he is not like he's not flippantly saying this he's saying that doctors have said that you got to do is this now I'm not saying this is a doctor

but what you got to do is you got to take less and less and if you go in and tell your doctor that you want to take less and less they'll get suspicious of you so don't tell your doctor because they're gonna get all like who told you to do that yeah and then when you say Alex Jones they're gonna be like you're fucking stupid stop it well he's creating paranoia about the people who are the only people in a position to help these people in the only people who are in a position

to understand exactly what they're going through now I'm not saying that all psychiatrists are good because Lord knows I've known a lot in the past that have been real ding dongs and real takes a while yeah I went through I went through five yeah there's a lot of people who are just like I'm gonna prescribe this get out of here yeah but if you do your damn work you can find somebody and I know that not everybody can and I feel fucking terrible say do your work right if everybody

has the access to that right you can find something Reagan you could get you but you can find somebody who will treat you appropriately and you can go through find the medication that works for you they'll listen to you about your side effects the listen to that stuff and you'll be able to find what you need in order to live healthily because that's the goal it's not to create a zombie horde or whatever yeah so Alex creating this fear of doctors in people and saying like these

medication all they're gonna do is fuck you up and all this stuff is it's incredibly dangerous and I'm not I'm not saying that because I think all meds are healthy or anything like that I don't necessarily think that I think there's a lot of over prescription we've talked about that in the past a hundred times but it is so essential that Alex knows nothing about what he's saying he know and take the pharmacology out of it take that inexperience out of it I'm most interested

and I've already said this but it needs to be fucking said again he has no idea what these people are going through he has no idea he's being so irresponsible this is dangerous this could get people killed this short has well I don't know it would be very capricious of us to assume that can't can't assume it but if he has a large enough audience and a large enough number of them follow this advice it stands to reason that at least some of them have died because of it right but

all we know or have killed because of it all we know is that he said this thing you can't without extensive research and maybe getting lucky enough to find some local news story we can't say with any certainty that anyone actually followed this advice we can't necessarily say that it actually did cause damage but it fucking has so much potential but you also have the circumstantial evidence of some of his listeners fucking showing up at a pizza place yeah you know like there's this

this is not like but that wasn't only hypothetical damaging this is real damaging this is something that has absolutely fucked up somebody's life I mean because of his irresponsible behavior if you take Alex saying it out of it people outside of the care of a doctor going off medication yeah is a very large cause of suicide yeah it's a very large cause of self destructive behaviors it's it's incredibly dangerous so we all we can say with absolute certainty is Alex is advocating

something that he has no business advocating for and he has no idea who he's giving this advice to and what they might do if they get this bad advice this is so fucking scary to me I hear this sort of thing and I'm like I like I understand having conspiracies about the medical world go for it hey companies that make drugs are evil they're like the opioid crisis is pushed upon people by companies who make those drugs is that like a man you factored yeah not enough for you right

conspiracy theorists that's a great way to go run with that one yeah fucking go could help yeah right yeah what a what a team up let's do let's do the enemy of my enemy is my friend you hate doctors and all that shit let's go for the source but they can't because they are the right wing is propped up by a lot of that money exactly pharmacology yeah big pharma money but you can't trust the doctors who prescribe it you can absolutely trust the kind and benevolent corporations

that make it absolutely but those doctors who prescribe it you got to go off it and don't tell anyone if he wasn't in prison I'm sure Alex would have Martin Screlly on right now you know probably like I did yeah there's no through line and this is going to get worse before it gets better but here in this next clip Alex I mean he goes even further yeah I just want to thank you for informing me on that and I might have been the last two weeks I did hear you say one comment and passing

to one of your guests it was that the SSRI eat holes in the brain they actually eat actual hole well I mean what do you think it is when brain cells die what do you think it is when toxins go in I mean that's why you get senile the brain starts dying at age 30 and start losing over a million brain cells today not true and yes they are highly I have had brain surgeons urologist on who have said it attacks and kills brain cells bad ones but certainly wasn't really early then now

no sir sir sir I guess you see a psychologist to continue I don't know what doctors are this is not going to psychologists can't prescribe drugs nope them giving you the drugs yes okay and I'm actually trying to discuss a little bit about the new world order with him he says it doesn't exist your mentally oh yes yes and that's how I knew that basically I do not listen to these people anymore and if you bring a little bit CC this is about their not all psychologists but most of them this

is about they're a priest class this is about their power trip over you and you could bring in the Wall Street Journal the Associated Press Reuters you could bring them the you know the Financial Times of London saying world governments being shut up he will then probably try to have you committed because that that that is a threat how dare you say I'm wrong it doesn't exist so James I I I wouldn't act all freaked out with him I wouldn't get into any big rigmarole to say oh I'm

changing psychologist and then I would get out of there and then I would just decide you're good you don't have problems your God's beautiful beautiful creature and find out a regimen to get off the drug so there's no words for how you're responsible that is you know that should be it should be I don't know if that's illegal how many fuck it should be how many other fucking peddlers of this bullshit are there that this this con is is a tale as old as time well it's like

a guy we listen to like what it's Gwyneth Paltrow does this bullshit like they all of these people who who have their alternative medicines can go right the fuck off like that's that's every fucking oh what you need is ginko below but it's natural it's it's all of that bullshit it's it's jarring to hear it broadcast especially by this guy yeah it's really really jarring especially when he's talking to somebody who like clearly needs it well also I mean if he's talking to

this therapist if it's a psychologist they can't prescribe but if he's talking to a psychiatrist and he's saying stuff about the New World Order and stuff like that and the psychiatrist responds poorly then yeah you should see a new psychiatrist if that's what he wants because mental health services are at your direction you know what I mean like if you you don't like what's going on or you feel bullied by your doctor you should talk to them about that and if they respond

poorly they're a bad doctor yeah or our other doctors it's not a good cause for Alex to be like they're a priest glass maybe not all of them but they're a priest glass and they're just threatened by you knowing the truth they're gonna get you committed if you say anything else like that sort of thing all it does is feed into the paranoia all it does is feed into whatever negative impulses other listeners have other listeners who have untreated conditions that they might need

help with they hear this sort of thing and they're like thank God I don't need to go all these doctors are just gonna fucking manipulate me and if I tell them what I really feel they're gonna put me in a box how could you trust any doctor if part of your part of your contract with that doctor is if you say something like there's the new world order he's going to commit you right which is like that's anyway well I mean it's illegal unless unless you are an imminent danger of

say you're gonna kill someone because they're new world order yeah there we go there we go then you're you're a danger to yourself and others yeah this is this is and even then there's a high bar of actually committing somebody without a family member present yeah you need someone else to sign off on yeah I think you actually even need like to get someone committed without their like involvement you need more than one doctor yeah I believe I shouldn't say that because I

don't really know but I you know what I'm going off of what I think this is a story I read about Britney Spears okay all right all right that makes sense maybe I'm not the expert there you go I'm not giving anybody advice no I'm saying that what Alex is saying is like we've heard dangerous from him and I'm not just talking about when Milo came on to promote his book yeah we've heard dangerous stuff and there's definitely other things that he says that are incredibly

dangerous the anti-vax stuff is very dangerous the the world view that he espouses as a whole is very dangerous but this specifically and I don't know I feel like we haven't encountered something this flavor in our in our time doing this show and I feel bad if we have and responding this aggressively to it because I feel like I feel like this is almost a new low I don't know I'm trying to think about I know I know he's told people in the I know well I know we've heard in the past

don't trust doctors I don't know if we've heard him say actually get off your get off your meds and don't tell anyone right here just just take it smaller doses over time and never tell anybody because they'll have you committed yeah yeah so then he goes on he has another caller who calls in and we'll see if he he gets back to the topic of psychologists again it's not who he's talking about but he doesn't know the distinction and more irresponsible shit comes

out of his mouth. I have been on you know Zoloft which the generic is circling for well quite a few years and I finally wanted to come off of it. It's just you know just after hearing what the doctors say and they did say exactly what you described like why do you want to lessen your dosage? I mean you could take the pills in half you know and I was like well I want to get off and how do I do it and they said well you gotta wean yourself off you gotta you know take a half pill for two weeks

and it takes about four weeks both ways you know to go on the pill or go off it and a lot of the yeah and again those are psychologists. I talked to neurologists and medical doctors took it up and they say too much but I'm not going to give medical advice I'm saying I would come off of it this is what the experts say but do not believe me go check it out for yourself and read about it on info wars dot com that's such a coward I'm not a doctor I am just telling you to do this

so cowardly at the end after after spouting this sort of thing to be like I'm not saying do it look it up yourself okay oh boy dodge the lawsuit right boy terrible just unbelievably awful and so that's such a bummer that's such a bummer why I can't there's no low there's no bottom I know there's no bottom we have to we have to accept that there's no bottom but it's just it's just so it's so personal like to to think of how I would probably be dead if I took his advice

yep like I would I would almost certainly have a hundred percent yeah like to see how it's changed my life and it took a lot of I went to a bunch of different psychiatrists I I tried a bunch of different stuff and if I hadn't done that if I'd quit or if I had just been like well I've got this because I'm God's perfect creature I looked at the stars and it was cool I mean that's that's so fucking disheartening that all the fucking people all the fucking people who are not

helped who who won't get help because of assholes like this because of people who distrust no doctors don't know what they're talking about they're a priest and it's it's it's just this like fetishization of ignorance yep as though if you don't it's it's almost like what he'd really rather say is I wish you had never heard of doctors that way you could be proud and and confidence and confident in your fucking stupid behavior right and it's it's it's infuriated because regardless

of what you think about doctors at heart part of our our our belief system has to be built around if you spend your entire life learning about this shit if you do this if you continue to learn about this shit if you keep doing this as a doctor you should be trustworthy you'd hope that's the whole point that's the whole point of having doctors in the first place now half of them suck or whatever I don't I don't give a shit right I don't give a shit that's part of our our our

commitment to actually getting better as a society is it look doctors used to bleed people but we still believe them at the time because they were fucking trying to move the society along and through that they did you know exactly by that failure great maybe took longer than it needed to but you know I mean it took it took way too long for assholes to realize that you needed to wash your hands when going from an autopsy to giving birth sure and we're back there because people

don't wash their hands anymore it's fucking insane yeah I don't know I don't know what else to say about it that I haven't already said I think this is one of the more disgusting things I've heard from him and it's a tough list you know that's a tough list but this one is real bad so we have a couple more clips where we just get sort of the the rest of what I want to talk about on this episode of the second half of Eastbound and now I wish no really I should have taken the

clip of the unknown stuntman so we get that out of it get all of this wash it out of it out of it nice instead we get a caller who calls in and he has a suggestion because you know the Info Warriors out there they don't know how to recognize each other in public so this kid's got an idea oh no John and Colorado go ahead Alex I salute you and everything you stand for I want you to know that I'm one of the legions out here that has your back

pre-read appreciate it God bless you I got your back thank you originally I was going to talk about spirituality in general and specifically fear but I had an idea that I thought was important people are wondering how they this is absolutely written down your 100 oh yeah yeah and it makes me wonder what were you going to talk about with spirituality well fear leads to anger could be that shit yeah they're going to recognize their fellow awakened Patriots both now and

in the coming weeks which are likely to get a little crazy I realized we need a sign or symbol to call our own so here it is picture in your mind the P symbol now flip it upside down what do you see you see a teutonic rune of life okay all right well I see a victory sign I see a human with their arms raised in victory well that's why it's a lot that's why it's a life sign the only problem is that's been adopted

by the white supremacist okay well I didn't know that the tragic irony of this call the shocking highs and the lowest of lows it's all in the same he is he planned this out he'd written this down he's like I've got the idea to end all ideas upside down peace sign white supremacists Alex is like I already have a bunch of those yeah I have a

lot of shirts with upside down peace signs got a lot of buttons yeah it's although that's that's most likely where he gleamed like he osmosis the idea from like this guy is probably well aware of the white supremacist community I don't think so but you know this color's reaction I think he was like oh shit well I thought it looked good yeah I think that's the sense I got from him I think that was totally new information and Alex is like yeah fucking love to use that

it's just too fucking obvious kid go back to the drawing board give me a couple of lightning bolts or something you know like god damn it how about it looks good though well it's been adopted by the Nazis how about a black star on a red background been adopted so about the next half hour of this show

really great if you just described the star of David imagine a triangle right now put another triangle on top of it but upside down and pretty oh that's a two tonic room all right buddy love it symbology how about we use two lines one longer than the other and the other bisecting the other but but perpendicularly and a little bit higher that's across shit damn it so a little bit later I could do 10 million variations of this I know you

could I love this I love this bit so a little bit later in the show Alex has an interview with a guy named JT coyote all right big fan of his where you will be we're not going to listen to any of it because it's just it's kind of rambling and halfway through the interview I realized that he's the moderator for prison planet message boards what stuff like that but they kind of are burying the lead on that a little bit yeah he's just one of our random callers he's a new character

I think we'll hear from him again in the future and listening to him is one of the reasons that I believe that this states asserting their sovereignty is going to become a much bigger deal and it's going to fold into much bigger narratives as we go and they only mentioned this in passing a little bit that's why I didn't get a clip of it but the reason that JT coyote is on the show is because he was an aide to someone in the Colorado legislature way back in the 90s okay when he said that they

were doing the same thing to try and assert their sovereignty sure and then you know what happened Columbine and the feds false flagged Columbine in order to get federal control back in so this that is his well Alex is that in the past he's this isn't new this isn't new stuff I've heard him say that before flagged Columbine I didn't know so the federal government could supersede sovereignty plans that Colorado had he said that before in the past absolutely okay so then he gets into

like Ruby Ridge gets into Waco course and those were attempts to have the federal government usurp movements course in order to assert states asserting sovereignty and this folds into a belief that Oklahoma was asserting their sovereignty and then wouldn't you know it the feds blew up the Murrah building so it's this idea Alex is trying to implant the seed that all of these states that are asserting their sovereignty get ready there's about to be false flags and so that is why

he's been spending a week and a half talking about these states okay it's less because he thinks that these concurrent House resolutions are going to mean a damn thing but because he's hoping through he's hoping the groundwork for what he expects will be false flagged terrorism attacks that happen and just because he needs to really cast a wide net he's basically saying half the country yeah is are the states that are that increase yeah why not pick 17 and that way sooner

later like at 21 okay where he's at now so 21 states sooner later one of them gonna have a mass shooting gonna have something because we're America yeah so boom false flag I got another two weeks worth of material and then I got a year's worth of going back and using this as a waypoint and adding to my other shit right so JT coyote interview not withstanding that little colonel that we can just really discuss as like that's why he's doing this yeah is really not

great and I don't want to spend time listening to the fucking moderator of prison planet be interviewed by the guy who owns the site I don't feel like that's worthwhile quite frankly I have no idea if he actually was in the Colorado legislature or an aid to anybody and that is like sponsored content I mean he might call it out at some point I think he might but I don't I don't give a shit it's just to me it's more like all right your work buddies yeah who gives a shit but he does spend

about half an hour on this show super pissed off because someone posted a video critical about him so we're going to all let's listen to Alex that get into this all speaking of that I want to go ahead and start playing this clip and then stop it and start it and analyze it sure I had the print out here in my stack I wanted to stop and started a bunch right about the name of the video John what's the name of that YouTube video with the Christian guy

that's a little vague not the not the guy saying I'm lying about spider goats well I'll get a hidden trip on the new world order part one okay and it's a nice fella he comes off as really nice and friendly and seems like a good person he doesn't and and again this isn't about me I'm doing this because this is entirely about yeah this is an example of the divergence

and the distractions that we all end up going through when we have serious issues in front of us and this fellow says that I never talk about the spiritual nature of the new world order that mark dice never talks about me mark dice is booked and I'm holding in my hand the resistance manifesto says that it's dealing with end times in the antichrist who

sounds like Jim Baker shit love tossing in that and times and times talking about and times never goes out of style never never goes out always a good look on a guy yeah toss and some end times so this video is a guy posting on my space even in 2009 come on man well I only know that because the audio is so bad it sounds like this guy's recording in a tin can and he also says my space will only let me record for

10 minutes so I'm going to make this brief so I have a plan for a new side yeah to never I want to be like I want to just be put all my cards on the table this guy in his space video or ludicrous Alex talks about the spiritual nature of the new world order all the fucking time he talks about demons even in 2009 we've heard him very clearly talk about Satan oh yeah it's it's not like that's something he doesn't touch oh yeah so the guys like his criticism of Alex

is invalid and Alex's response to it is also invalid because he's only doing this so he doesn't have to deal with valid criticisms of himself he does this sort of thing to create like this straw man of the people who are attacking me yeah I always talk about the NWO being spiritual yeah and being behind it but look man I do a show that's not a religious show I do a news show so I don't sit here all the time and talk about God flash forward to now and yes you do but like I get

I get his response but at the same time I think that back then there probably were some people who are pointing out hey every time Bob Chapman comes on your show you seem to bring Ted Anderson and you guys are doing a real clear vaudeville sales routine trying to pimp Ted's gold I imagine there's plenty of people who have valid criticisms about the content of his show well he would never want to talk about he even mentioned one that he didn't want to talk about the guy who

is saying that he's stupid for saying spider goats I think he does touch on that later oh he does touch on that I mean he does he's he's talked spider goats plenty no no I mean the YouTube video whenever he's he said who's that Christian guy who is right right right and he's like no no no not the one about not the one about the spider goats he's right but I'm sure that even that is like some dumb dumb talking about Alex is wrong about spider goats like look even even the dumbest

of the dumb should be able to be like you're wrong about spider goats but you can make a you can be right that Alex is wrong and still make a bad argument and therefore be wrong in the bigger picture that's true and I think that's probably what spider goat guy is hmm but I don't particularly I would like to know how wrong he was so Alex gets off they're not spider goats Alex they're beetle goats oh shit Alex spends also what about the spider goat leadership oh man they have been

locked into a nonstop battle of death with the the purest spider leadership sure the spider leadership very racist toward the goat spider goat leader the spider goat leadership are they they're actually spiders that have attributes of goats yeah it's not it's not like the spider goats who have attributes of spiders right it's not like the the spider silk right infusion there it's it's spiders that can eat tin cans they're arachnids without a home right because the goats hate

them spiders hate them all they've got is each other they climb up mountain crags eat garbage that's all I know goats do I have no idea when I was in Greece I ran into a pack of goats man were they eating garbage yeah that is like a stereotype I get that hashtag not all goats but yes all goats all goats love eating garbage yeah but they have to they have to wrap it in silk and the cocoon it and drink the blood of the garbage that's the spider yeah that's the spider

goat so Alex goes off on a really long self-defense tangent about this guy's my space video and good a fair play Alex you know whatever you're just not you're not dealing with real criticism criticisms but then he's going out to break and listen to this we're gonna have to deconstruct this 45 second clip for maybe 10 minutes this is one of the most convoluted self-contradicting narcissistic piles of garbage I've ever heard in my life Alex can't he can't figure out where to land

okay instead I'd say about half the people on websites and I'm going to start this over because what he's talking about before this is about how everybody should be on the same page we all should be fighting my my my my my my space specifically specifically of course my space he's saying that like you know all of these disparate communities that are all Patriot in nature and Christian should all be on that we should all be unified as opposed to bickering with

each other and then he gets to this instead I'd say about half the people on websites and YouTube and on these video things they just sit around policing each other or obsessing over it's just this group and we're gonna obsess on this group and we're gonna exaggerate the power of this group and we're gonna blah blah blah when meanwhile so real quick he's getting played off the reason that he paused there was because he realized oh that's all I do

he's like oh these people exaggerate like being focused on one group and exaggerating the power of that group oh shit that's what I do with the globalists how do I finish this sense how do I finish the sense when I because he's like the reality is that it's the group I talk about exaggerated power he's like all these people they think the Jews run everything but no it's my code for the Jews they're the ones who run everything he can't he can't finish the sentence

right he can't do it it's crazy I love it blah blah blah when meanwhile meanwhile the entire economy is being imploded the new world order is coming into play and people are arguing and debating over who's got the best info or who the best talk show host is or who's got the best website and obviously I'm the big kahuna and all this so the most of them are just jealous and upset with me and I just feel sorry for him because this is too dangerous

of a world to be stuck on jealousy folks out to break so he starts by critiquing these people who focus on an exaggerate one group has to bail in the middle of the sentence because he realizes that's what he does then he's complaining about everybody being obsessed with who has the best information who's the best website who has the best talk show host when clearly it's me they're all just jealous of me what is going on this is not a time for jealousy

that's so crazy 50% of all these right wing websites are just criticizing each other and obsessing over all this stuff and they're trying to exaggerate the problem and blow it out of proportion because I do it better than you and that's why I have the biggest website that's why I have the most followers that's why you're just jealous because I have created a bigger better enemy than you you created King Kong motherfucker I created Godzilla I can grade it King Ghidorah it's like that to me

is that's the kind of Alex Jones I relish yeah because that's like okay you're a lunatic but you're like it's clear the narcissism is coming through the like sort of laughable elements of your character coming through and it's just so disappointing that like he is still the same person who tells people who he has no idea about that they got to get off their meds yeah you know because if like that was gone it wasn't that kind of an asshole he could just be a blowhard yeah and blowhards

are kind of fun yeah especially when they sing highwayman yeah but unfortunately it's not who that's not this guy is so as much as we you know as much you know like to talk about like the difference between modern day and past Alex Jones you know doesn't really matter he's a shithead all the time still there yep Jesus and I who cares but yeah fair enough that's just and not not who cares about like his rhetoric is like who cares about creating a positive version of yeah

yeah that that'd be fun if we got the chance like if we got to do over on Alex Jones like say that there is a God and times happen right before and times happen we get raptured gets taken up God's like hey you guys got any way to fix a shit we just explain how to make Alex Jones better just go back in time and then he would put us back for the end times and he would be like now you guys fucked up yeah that did not work that way that was it that was your big plan seemed like to fix

Alex Jones seemed I don't know why I listen to you guys I'm supposed to be all knowing also big fan of the show big fan of the show good stuff I am I'm just a policy wonk I can't afford to go up I love the project and a lot of episodes sure sure thank you that's our new character cheapskate God my boy give unto Caesar what Caesar's that's not God's he doesn't have the money to donate to the show and we appreciate him listening yeah so that brings us the end of this patch of

2009 I'm excited to move forward because I've not had a great time listening to the last like five episodes of this stuff I was stuck for a long time like I can't finish this episode this is so boring I imagine he expected there to be a mass shooting yeah or something like already sooner yeah I think that's why he's hammering on about is because he's like all right now no shit all right this time and I think that's and when I described it as a holding pattern yeah the top

of the show I think that's why I think he's I think he is a man without a third act so he's just doing the second act over and over and over and over again having each of these boring state reps on to talk about their state's identical bill that they're trying to push through in the house resolution he's a kid who keeps pointing at the sky and saying rain and then when it finally does happen he's gonna be like see I told you I think so I think that that's what we're seeing and I don't

remember history as as minutely as some people do but I don't know if there's any large scale attacks coming up so he might be stuck in this holding pattern for quite a while it's it's America there's a mass shooting but on the plus side we are now only 11 days away in 2009 from the big breakout of the tea party yeah so we're much closer to that and that might distract him or the big manufactured breakout is that yeah these two things might conflate they might somehow

dovetail into each other which is what I'm more suspicious of okay I'm more suspicious that sense a terrorist attack or big mass shooting probably doesn't happen in the next 10 days yeah of this show what I'm thinking is there isn't progress with the narrative these house resolutions he starts to see them languishing committee perhaps there's not a lot of action to it and that energy that he has for this gets folded into the tea party stuff yeah and he starts bringing

all that together yeah that might be I don't know I hate to predict things because I'm almost always wrong yeah so we'll see yeah anyway if you like the show you can get more at knowledge fight dot com indeed you can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight we're also on Facebook we are on Facebook you can go to our Facebook group go home and tell your mother you're brilliant can go to iTunes were there you can do the other stuff you do everything if you've ever

listened to a podcast you know how they tell you to do stuff just do that stuff but for us yeah you know right everybody everybody's it signs off with the same bullshit you've heard a podcast before you know the rules do the thing or it'd be nice I don't know I'll take this one I think it is your turn although it is so gauche to do based on his behavior today Alex Jones go fuck yourself and Ian chances you're on the air thanks for holding.

Well Alex I'm a person color my huge fan I love your work I love you.