Knowledge Fight - #194: February 22-24, 2009

Episode Date: August 17, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan go back to the past to see what Alex Jones was up to right before the public unveiling of the Tea Party. In doing so, the gents end up uncovering numerous racist narratives, and a gigantic lie about Hurricane Katrina.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan.

Hey. Dan? What up? If you could fight one animal. Interesting. What would it be? Any animal. I could tell you what I would... Boxing match.

Boxing match. Queensbury rules. Well, I would say I'm going to go the opposite direction, who I wouldn't fight, is Casuary. Those birds will fuck you up. Right. They're mean. That's my least favorite animal to fight. If I was going to fight any animal, it would probably be, I don't know, something soft, you know?

Something that doesn't... Something soft? Well, I love a manatee. It's one of my favorite animals. But if I... You don't want to fight a manatee. I probably would. They move really slow. But it's one of your favorite animals. I know, but they got a lot of body you could work.

That's true. I don't think that they have a violent instinct in them, generally. I don't know. People swim around with them and feed them lettuce all the time. It's a vacation destination. Sounds great. Out of water, I think they'd be in trouble. That's true.

So probably a manatee. You want to go with a manatee? It would pain me to do it. You want to fight the most defenseless thing you can think of on land. I'm not doing this for glory. I want to make it out the other side. Okay. What are you talking about?

I don't think that's a terrible idea. I'm looking for survival. A lot of animals are deadly. Yeah, that's true. Manatees, not so much. Not so much? All righty. What are we doing again?

This is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. Oh, okay. Do I know anything about him? Just about what I tell you. Excellent. Maybe a little bit more because he's in the headlines these days. Yeah, unfortunately, it's hard to escape. Yeah, so today, before we get going, one of the things I would like to do

is give a shout out to a new donor. This is very exciting. Someone new has jumped on board and we appreciate it very much. Thank you so much, Andrew. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Thank you, Andrew.

If you'd like to support the show, you can do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking support the show, that little button there, and we would appreciate it. You bet it. Speaking of something else, we appreciate it. Jordan, I'd like to... Did we get the mail bag? No, we'll get to some voicemails in the near future.

I was scrambling. You're going on vacation this weekend, so we're recording a little bit earlier than usual. Now I'm going to a wedding in May and it's not... That's a vacation. You're going on a little trip. For me. Our schedule is a little bit more truncated. Yes.

Then I had some computer issues. It's a little mess, so I didn't have time to look into the mail bag, but I assume we may have gotten a message or two. Then we'll get back to them and maybe we'll do a whole mini episode where we're just looking at the message. That would be fun. Maybe we'll do that at some point just to get through some of them because we've gotten a ton.

We got a ton? We have a ton that we need to get through. Let's clean out the mail bag. We've got a ton that aren't from Chico. Okay. We'll get to that. I don't know if we can play those. But I did get a request by someone who is an awesome gentleman.

He's someone who came to visit us here in Chicago, had a nice drink with him. He was very instrumental in helping us set up the show in Austin, Texas. Absolutely. And performed at Beer Land. Yeah. Our buddy policy wonk, Raptor Princess John. Hey, John. He, just the other day, this is so exciting.

We want to give a very special congratulations out to him. Him and his company, EQO, a little startup that he's working in, working on, just got awarded a $100,000 grant in order to put their, their new technology ideas into motion. That's awesome. I am really, I feel really bad about this because I know he and I have talked about this, but as I understand it's something about like reclaiming water. Oh, okay.

Okay. I got you. Don't remember exactly what they do. And maybe if I say it on air, it would be giving out trade secrets. That's how I'm going to save it. Is that your excuse? Yeah, exactly. But what I do remember from talking to you is it sounds like a really cool idea and

something that could be very helpful in conservation and helping with cleanliness of the world. Yeah. I, whenever we talked about it, I thought it was great. I, I, whenever, whenever you said right after like, he got awarded $100,000 and it's for his tech and I feel really bad about this. I swear to God, I thought you're going to be like, they shouldn't have given him that money. He told me about the idea.

It's terrible. I don't know what people are doing. How dare you. And then you saved it. So that was good. Yeah. But yeah, just want to give a big congratulations out to John and good luck. I know you're going to put that to good use.

And also it's really cool the way that, and he posted something about it in our group. Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. And the way that everybody is, you know, being so cool and congratulating and awesome. It feels really good. We don't have a bunch of shitheads listening. That's really nice. That is very nice. So thank you all for being solid folk.

And we all support each other as best we can. Believe it. Oh boy. So Jordan, today we are back in 2009. All right. This is an interesting episode. There's going to be, there's going to be some non-linear storytelling going on. Okay, good, good.

But before we get hot tub, three globalists indeed. No, no, no hot tubs in this episode. No hot tubs. 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:17,800 No, before we get going, here's an outer context drop from today's episode. How's your 401k doing, bro? Yeah. Is that it?

Was that in Wall Street Money Never Sleeps? That must be. How's your 401k doing? Bruh, bruh, bruh. That was Alex asking somebody about that because he was expecting the answer to be terrible. Right. And he was like, yeah, that's why I got to get gold. And the guy's like, actually it's doing pretty good.

Kind of. I've invested wisely. That's all I'm going to say. Kind of hit a brick wall. I didn't buy any gold. That's why it's doing pretty well. Yeah. So today we're going over February 22nd to 24th, 2009.

Again, we're still not quite going to get to the actual emergence of the tea party. But it's interesting because I think we see a couple of pieces that are very relevant to Alex's mindset right before the shit goes down as it were. And one thing that, you know, regardless of the mood of the world or anything like that, one thing about Alex is very consistent. And that is where we're going to start here on February 22nd. Okay. I have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight stacks of deuce.

I could spend the entire show on any one of these and go into great detail and prove every claim I'm making. But we don't have time. I suggest you check into these stories yourself. Alex has just described our podcast. That's why we have eight stacks of news and any one of them could last the entire show. I am not going to do that though. I could prove everything that I say right now.

But let me tell you something that ain't on me. You do that. I don't have time to prove any of the stuff I'm saying. Cause I'm too busy being a great journalist and being right about everything. Congratulations, Alex. So a lot of the time that we're going to be looking at this is going to be spent with him trying to make people very afraid, which is pretty, you know, do regular on, on the Alex's program.

So he just talks about spiders for a few hours. Oh man, that'd be great. That would be great. If for me, it would be bees, but no, he has more institutional human fears for you to chew on. And the first is, you know, everyone's, you know, at this point, 2009 and even before we're pretty mad about airport scanners, the body scanners. Yeah.

A lot of the privacy concerns were privacy. They'd be taking naked pictures of your body and they did Alex has a slightly different take on it, which I didn't know was part of his fears. Here's another one. They're announcing all over the country in USA today. They're putting in body scanners where you walk in and it scans your naked body and puts it in a database, but they don't tell you is these airport scanners are to get a biometric read of your entire body so that their street corner cameras have your body's a digital

algorithm and can track everywhere you go with instant ID. What's a body digital algorithm? I, you know, it's a body digital algorithm. Dan, haven't you ever seen a body digital algorithm? I haven't. They were, they were great in the 80s. They had that hit song. They had that hit song.

I didn't work out. I know where you sleep. That was a great song. Yeah. I don't know about this. I don't think that necessarily they're harvesting body digital algorithms to put into street cameras, but if they were, holy shit, technology would be prohibitive. The idea that every single street camera has to be hooked up to some sort of massive database

of everybody's body digital algorithm, right? In some way that your digital body algorithm is unique. Right. It's ludicrous. The only way in fact that you could keep that information and synthesize it into something valuable is if you build an artificial intelligence that can do it even faster than you. And now you have an AI that has every single person who can afford to fly because that's all that really matters.

Oh yeah, that's also a good point. That's all that really matters. They have all of their, AI knows all of them and then it will eventually control us using airports. And again, only people who can afford to fly. It's just probably getting fairly close to Kerry Cassidy's black night narrative. It's AI satellites. Yeah, for sure.

For sure. Big long wires. That's also one of the strange things about those body scanners is that they were all connected by one giant wire across this massive giant wire. So I should say that I had a lot that I needed to look up on this episode and so this one I punted on a little bit because it's just like, he doesn't explain what he's talking about. And I'm like, I don't care.

I don't, this doesn't seem. He might as well have just said, it's math. They do it with math. Sure. They math it. All right. You know, you use math. Yeah.

So we get to this next clip where Alex explains what the system is all about. Okay. I'd like you to try and see if you can parse out any kind of code. Okay. So I need to figure out what the system is all about. Well, see if you can. Did I get up or get down with the system? Both.

Okay. The system is meant to go after good, hardworking Americans like the famous case of the guy who had rats eating his tomatoes. So he killed one with a shovel and a neighbor saw it and called the animal people and then he went to jail and folks again, this is all about getting regular citizens in the net. This is all about capturing regular citizens because we're the ones that have money. They can suck off of. Here's an example, 99% and I just saw these numbers today in the mainstream news, 99%.

I'll cover it when I get back. I'm up. All right. Does he cover it when he gets back? Not that I'm aware of. If you did get back to it, you phrased it so differently. I love that cliffhanger. That's so good.

I'm going out to break with that and the balls to never come back to it. That's amazing. Well, and what he's saying even before that is I'm going to give you a, you were right in some notes. I'm going to give you a chance to explain what you think I'm going to say before I say it. I'm just, I'm trying to understand what he was saying. So if I understand him correctly, the system is the globalist plan or whatever.

The system is going after real hardworking Americans because they have money, which he notes later on, exactly like how remember when that guy murdered rats who ate his potato or tomatoes and their neighbors called the cops on him and he went to jail. Right. Right. And then 99%. And you just read this in the mainstream news. 99%.

No time. I got, I got to get out of here. I'm sorry. So you've just broken down what, what happened. Yes. You did the play by play. Yes. Now I'll do the color.

Okay. Which is an appropriate term for this. Okay. What Alex is talking about is what we hear from him so often, I believe, and that is that he's depicting a scenario that is happening to underclasses and disenfranchised groups, African Americans in particular. Okay. And he's threatening that this is what the globalists want to do to white people.

Right. The good, hardworking people, the good Americans. Right. That sort of thing. He's using coded language in order to depict this nightmare scenario where in he's just using real world stuff and turning it into a fantasy fear for his privileged audience. Okay. Yeah.

I want to know more about the story with the guy and the rats and the tomatoes. I don't. I do. I think we heard it all. He's killing, he's killing rats with a shovel. Right. And then his neighbors called the cops on him. Maybe it was their pet rat.

Maybe he was out in the middle of the night murdering rats with a shovel. I would call the cops on somebody if, if I look out my neighbor's, my window, right? And I just see a dark silhouette with a shovel smashing it on the ground. Right. Yeah. I'm going to call the cops on him. That's not the system. That's a, a terrible, terrifying thing to watch.

I agree. It's terrifying, but just, you can't, you can't go to, I don't think you can go to prison just for being weird, like killing rats on your own property is legal. That's not like. Is it? Yeah. Absolutely. What if they're endangered rats?

There aren't any. There have to be some. I don't think so. They're vermin for a reason. Right. They breed a lot. What about those big, those big rats? What?

The ones down in like the bayou? Yeah. No. What about? What about? They pay you to kill them. What about the ones in Australia? Those really big ones, the ones that are technically rodents, but they're like eight feet long.

I don't know the ones you're talking about. I don't know much about Australian wildlife. That's not what this podcast should learn more about it. So we have a situation here in 2009 where we know that Alex is about to launch off on a major new adventure wherein he joins up with the Tea Party and believes himself to be the king of the Tea Party, more or less. He's going to fold in all his Ron Paul beliefs into the Burgeoning Tea Party and it's going to take him in a different direction than he's been on already.

As we've seen these narratives from what we've covered already with the pro-Palestinian shit, the pro-net neutrality, anti-police sentiment, these sorts of things aren't things that are going to continue into the future. There's going to be a massive shift. And the only other massive shift that we've ever seen in Alex Jones is the switching to Trump. Right. And as we covered all of that in 2015, there's one piece of it that's stuck out and that

is one of the things that we could clearly tell was guiding Alex and motivating him to make that switch was he was seeing increased popularity. His numbers were through the roof. Now would it surprise you to find out that his numbers were exploding right before the Tea Party broke? Interesting. And you know, I'm talking to a lot of station owners and program directors and I even have talked to some very big radio consultants and contacted me, famous people in the radio

and they said, Alex, your time has come. The people want you. You would be the number one show in the country, but obviously the big corporations that own the biggest stations aren't going to let you on the air. But they tell me that, and I've had meetings before at the highest levels of radio, you know, even the high level executives are scared and know that they're not members of the elite, know that their time is numbered, know that America is dying. But that's what they're saying.

Massive calls to talk radio, especially local talk radio, you know, that is anti-New World Order, anti-globalist, pro-America, and that basically my view, your view, the reality view is taking over and exploding. And I mean, I'm just one small part of this, but my web numbers, our radio listener numbers, everything is just hyperbolic right now. It is exploding. Good to hear from you, my friend. And wait, does he literally mean he is overexaggerating?

They're exploding. It's hyperbolic, meaning it's way overexaggerated and there's probably an explanation for it. Exponential. Yeah. Use the wrong word. Yeah. I would, I would say that it's very clear from everything that's come out since that what happened in late 2015 and into 2016 and was astro traffic, traffic growth.

Yeah. There was automated bots that were over-inflating traffic. And when you look at the Tea Party, it was primarily almost entirely bankrolled by Americans for Prosperity, Freedom Works, the Koch Brothers Foundation. Stoked and inflamed by Fox News. The donor fund. But less important, the Fox News part. More important, it was also an artificial growth that they experienced.

Exactly. Back in 2009 and we see Alex's numbers jumping hyperbolically again. It's really hard not to hear that and see, oh, the Koch Brothers bought you traffic. Yeah. They might be buttering you up already. I can't, can't say that for sure, but it does seem to be like if I were Alex Jones, if I ever saw an increase in traffic, I would immediately become suspicious. Yeah.

I'd be like, uh, no, this doesn't, this isn't good. Somehow that's the only thing he doesn't have conspiracy theories about, mainly because he attributes it to how great he is. His own brilliance. Yeah. Really alfs. Yeah. So I don't know, it's interesting.

I, uh, again, we can't. That is a diabolical thing for the Kochs to do, like a, a James Bond villain-esque kind of thing, which I would say normally like, there's no way that happens. But the Koch Brothers are James Bond villains in like real life. Well, you gotta think. They're the devil. If we were like political strategists of any stripe and we were trying to get Alex Jones to bend to our will, it would only take a couple of episodes to really suss out

what he's about, white fear generally, and what he's susceptible to his own ego. Right. Those sorts of things are very easy to smell out. So if you were like someone who was working for the Koch Brothers in strategy or something like that, and you wanted to flip Alex Jones, it would be incredibly easy to just stroke the ego and then, I don't know, have some, uh, some, uh, functionary, uh, whisper in his ear like Roger Stone has done. Yeah.

And it's aogenic. They need a salesman. Yeah. So you have your salesman and then you have the artificial growth in order to butter up his ego, make him feel on top of the world. You have this spokesperson, salesperson come in and, and double down on that. Maybe the meetings that he's taking with these high-end people saying his time has come.

Interesting. So those sorts of people are the people who are working in concert with the false growth that he's experienced. Listen, let me tell you something about how great this is. Hey, hold on. What do I got to do to get you into a tea party today? Huh? What do you need from me?

What do you want? I need to be bigger. All right. You got it. You got it. $17,000. Instantly. Also, this is a used car.

Oh, I, you know, I'm thinking, and it's called the tea party car. I'm thinking about selling my car. All right. Well, what do you want? I'm going to get drunk and talk about it on air. So that's interesting to me. I think at this point it's still just us sort of spitballing. There's no real concrete way to say that that's what happens, but it does seem like there's

a possibility. Parallels abound. So earlier we heard him talking about the airport scanners. Yeah. I'm going to get your digital algorithm. Body, body, or angular rhythm. And that pays off here at the end of this episode or towards the end of the episode. In this clip where he describes a paranoid fantasy.

Okay. Just wondering if you had heard about the Predator B aircraft going to be patrolling the North Dakota border near Manitoba. Yes. They're going to have predators patrol the United States and not just the borders. They have high altitude blimps at 100,000 feet in Canada, the U.S. and England with biometric body scanning software tracking everyone in real time. They know your biometric resonance just by the way your body moves from a shoot down

position from above you. Biometric resonance? That has to involve your digital algorithm, I think. I think. Also, by the way, you walk, you could change your gait if you want. Does it even, uh, auras? Uh, I mean, it seems like he must, but he must think it's some sort of a steampunky kind of thing.

You know, it's like, uh, you know, it's your spirit, but it's also a machine. Oh, okay. I got you. I got you. I don't fucking know. Yeah. But this is just to increase that sort of fear. It's like, no matter where you are, you're one second away from this blimp shooting you

dead because of the way you walk and because they've scanned you and it's in a system. You're never safe. No. Why would you be? That's a very unpleasant place to put your audience in. Didn't you read the, uh, New York magazine's headline, uh, Predator patrols parks, uh, prejudicially. That was done.

It was marketing for alien versus predator. That was a planted news story. We all know that. It was this during the, this was around whenever they remade predator, right? The 2009. Yeah. Made with, uh, what's his face? The guy Adrian Brody, Predators, Predators.

Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. I don't know what year that was. I did work at a movie theater, but that doesn't help because I worked at a lot of movie theaters by life. Whole lot of Dan working at movie theaters time. If you ever, and if ever anyone writes a biography of me, a lot of movie theaters.

So Alex ends this episode, this clip's a little bit longer and it's ultimately pointless, but I wanted to keep it in because this is, this is still indicative of Alex trying to have fun, uh, in 2009, which is sorely missed in, uh, the present. Oh yeah. You know, I just told the guys, the controller about something that I'm going to talk about this week on the air sometime, but I don't do it to be silly. I don't get into potty humor. What deals with the royalty of Europe and what scum they are and how low they think

the public is. You can't make this stuff up. I ought to give it to the weekday, uh, that, what's that, what's that weekday show they've got that's only on for an hour? It's pretty funny. Let's do it. Todd and Don ought to give it to them. Um, it, uh, I shouldn't even get into it.

The Queen of England, it still goes on. They claim they stopped it in 1901. The Queen of England, I'm not even going to say it, man, if you Google it, it's mainstream news. I mean, guys at the office last night didn't believe it when I told them, so they Googled it and, uh, my wife knew about it because she was also a history minor when she went to school in France. So she learned about the French royalty.

You know what? I'm not even going to get into it. I was just joking around during the break with the guys, but it's just the elite are such scum. Ladies and gentlemen, that you can't even, you can't even imagine, uh, the, the, the stuff that they're into. I'm not going to get into it. Maybe later this week when I have time to cover it and break it down to give me an idea,

Tutankhamen, one of the, uh, had a official nose picker and I'm serious who would he was and he was God on earth. So someone had to pick his nose for him. Well, the, the royalty in England has a toilet attendant and I'm just going to leave it at that. Let's just say they don't touch toilet paper with their own hands. It's taken care of by somebody else and it's called the groom of the stool. There you go.

I mean, you can't make it. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Does that job have benefits? I mean, that's, that's how low they think of us folks. Oh man. That's ridiculous because the groom of the stool was a real position, but it was always held by like noble people because it wasn't like about wiping the king's ass per se.

It was a super close advisor that would sit with him in the bathroom and they would have like meetings because back then it often you'd be in there half an hour or, uh, or longer because people were sick. We're not great. Yeah. Um, so it was a position where that was incredibly high standing for really, yeah, for people because it was a very close confidant of, oh yeah. Yeah.

No, that makes sense. So it was someone who was deeply trusted by the king. So that part of it is like, ha, they just have people come in and wipe their asses for them. Absolutely not. That is not what the groom of the stool was. I did not know that it's, there's, you know, there's ins and outs of it. And yeah, maybe there was some ass wiping.

Who gives a shit? It's not like that was all the positions. It depends on what you're into. The other thing is that the office was exclusively one to serve male monarchs. So upon the second of Elizabeth the first in 1558, uh, it was replaced by a position called the first lady of the bed chamber. Um, and the position was neutralized in 1559. So a year later after 15, 15, yeah.

After Queen Elizabeth took the, uh, took the, uh, the, the, the, uh, mantle as it were. So when was it reinstituted? Well, it did sort of transition into just, uh, an advisory position, but then when Edward the seventh came into power, uh, uh, in 1901, as Alex mentioned, that official position was completely discontinued. So Alex pretending that it, and that's how it became the prime minister. Right? I mean, it's just like, it's, it's the lineage of these people.

It's like it was a public office, like it wasn't something that was secret. You know, so the list of all of the people who have held that position is available. That history isn't like something that's really, yeah, and they're all sirs. That's cool as fuck. Yeah. I'm glad. I'd like to learn that. Also, I would love it if Boris Johnson wiped my ass.

That would be great. From 1804 to 1812, George Finch, ninth Earl of, uh, Winchessey was, uh, the groom of the stool. He's a fucking Earl. I thought he was the ninth Earl. Oh, no, no, no. Vice counts have held the position by count, whatever. Yeah.

You don't say the S. Marquis. Marquis. Uh, Marquises. Right. So there's, you know, it's, Alex is a fucking stupid idiot, but that is stupid. That's, that's where we come to the end of February 27th. You have to trust somebody a lot to have them sit in a room while you shit blood because

it was the 1400s. Yeah. You know, yeah. It'd be very easy to, you'd be in a very vulnerable position. Yeah. That's why it's always Dukes. Um, so we go on to the 23rd and, uh, that's just a fun fact. Yeah.

Always fun to learn. That's just a fun fact. I like that. Yeah. Also, you could sum it up by being like, yeah, the 14, 1500s were weird. Yeah. That's another way of summing it up. Yes.

What else is going on back then? You want to go down a laundry list of shit that would be crazy to us now because that's going to take all day. So now we get to, uh, the 23rd now it starts things off with what I would describe as a very, uh, I want to make you scared narrative. You know, the feds are paying for drills all over the country with local police as the AP covered in Michigan, where they call the middle school students out, blow up a bus in front of them with flash bangs and smoke it out.

In some cases here in Texas actually catch the cars on fire and then tell the children, we're going to kill you where we're homeschoolers and brainwash them against the second amendment in homeschool. I'm not kidding. I like it. It traumatizes them. We'll talk about that when we get back and a lot more of what's happening with the economy. Those are two very disparate subjects, Dan.

Yeah. That's a wide range that he's covering today. So the thing that's even more fucked up is he's not totally lying. Okay. All right. Now, now I'm in what he is lying a bit, but he's not like this event did happen. Okay. All right.

But the way he's describing it is completely off. So what he's operating off of is a 2004 article in the Washington Times, which again is a newspaper owned by Reverend Sun Young Moon. And the article was written by Michelle Malcolm. And so that is strikes one and two. Great. Great. The drill that was run was not a subversive attempt to make kids hate homeschoolers.

It was just a poorly written preparedness drill to test the city's emergency response times. Students involved were volunteers. Most of them were members of the drama class at their school in full disaster makeup. Like they had blood makeup and squibs. False flag. And stuff like that. It was a false flag drill.

It was actually the opposite. They weren't crisis actors. This is the one time where the false flag was the fact that it did happen. No. False flag. The kids were high schoolers. There weren't children involved. No bus blew up.

This is all just bullshit paddled around because the homeschool movement in America is super defensive and crazy and fucked up and they should not be allowed to exist. But see you say that is actually why they're super defensive. Right. Because people have that position. I don't think all homeschooling is really all that bad. I think that a lot of the fundamentalist homeschooling and a lot of the religious based homeschooling I think that can be fairly dangerous and homeschooling that's based on like an Alex Jones worldview

is obviously bad. Yeah. Yeah. Homeschooling that doesn't involve some sort of a community involvement. You know like where you go out and have socializing groups and stuff like that. I think that can be very damaging to people. But just the idea of not wanting kids to go to public school. I think that there is a there is an argument you can make there that's not based on bullshit

and propaganda. I agree. I agree. I am not saying that all homeschooling is bad. It is possible for there to be good homeschooling and we've all met kids who are homeschooled who turned out fine and are very smart and so on. You know like the kids who play violin were probably homeschooled. I don't know.

But most homeschooling is brainwashing not homeschooling. There is an unfortunate amount of that. I would say. Yeah. So the other thing that's really funny I lost the shit. Okay. Here we go. I lost the exact article of it but it's super fucking funny.

The guy who ended up writing the drill was just like I wasn't trying to make anyone hate homeschoolers. I just I was asked to put something together and this is what I came up with. What were the homeschoolers? Well look at this. How are they involved? So the group that he came up with to be the villains of this preposterous drill were called wackos against school and education.

Wackos. All right. All right. I am I'm actually I think this is a great role play right now. Sure. D&D LARP. Wackos. I love it.

I love it. It's a it's a little. Half elves against education. If you if you look at it it's a little absurd and what it what it boils down to is like this is poorly conceived. I get what you're trying to do in terms of planning preparedness that testing your response times. Yeah.

Like that. You guys really should have done a second draft on this. If wackos against school and education is what you came up with back to the drawing board. It could use some punch up. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember his name.

It's not really important. He's a guy who worked for the city. Okay. But he did. He did work for the city. They didn't like outsource it. This is just a low level intern guy. Most likely.

Yeah. I don't have all the information. I got you. But all of the responses that you can find from homeschooling people are defensive, which I understand. And I am not going to come down on them too hard for that because I would much rather come down on them for being like why wasn't it a Muslim group? Okay.

Now that's something. Yeah. Why wasn't it a Muslim terrorist group that was the bad guys in this? How come you are making white people look bad when you could be doing the easy thing and making Muslims look bad? Right. And one of the reasons is that because it was in Muskegon County in Michigan and there aren't a lot of Muslims in that county.

I looked up the demographics and it's at best under 1% are Muslim or Arabic in any way. It's a very highly white population area. Right. So maybe it would seem out of place. Well, in their defense though, Michigan does have one of the highest Muslim like community or one of the largest Muslim communities. Not in that county. Not in that county, but they are definitely aware that they're there.

They everyone's away. They are in the Muskegon County in order to avoid the other. Like that's that's white flight all over the place. It's possible. Yeah. That's what I would say. The last 2009 episode, we covered a bit of ground. Yes.

But one of the things that I did was that I just decided to skip over an interview that Alex has with a member of the Iowa National Guard. Alex's big narrative that he's pushing around this time is that there is this city, Arcadia, Iowa, where they're going to do this drill where you remember we talked about it. Yes. Yeah. No, I remember this. Where they pretend to search people's houses who have volunteered to go along with the

role play while they try and find this supposed armed dealer who's in the town in order to prepare them for, um, if that happens, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I skipped over that and I'm actually kind of glad I did now because it gives us a chance to talk about it now because on the 23rd, Alex Jones says this about that interview. You know, when I had that Lieutenant Colonel on Greg Hapgood Friday, I was really interrogating him and I had such an in-depth knowledge of their operations from decades of study that I can tell you, A, he is a patriot. Okay.

The man loves this country and bleeds red, white, and blue. He began to break down and you could hear him start crying. Good. If you listened carefully on air, he had to hold back crying because he did not like having to deceive the people. Loves this country so much. And he's been told everything's going to collapse and he's got to do this and he's very upset. He's thinking about granddaddy, sitting him on his knee and saying, son, a time's going

to come when they're going to come after these shotguns and rifles. Every good grandfather told their grandson that and you've got to resist it when that time comes. And that's why he started cracking up. I was in his mind at that time, basically, I studied this so much and that's why he began, started, listen, I'm not good because he was about to break down and join the republic. He was inches away. And that's why this is going to fail, ladies and gentlemen.

So when I heard that, I was like, how fucking dare you? How dare you, Alex? Every good granddaddy. Look, every good boy deserves fudge. Every good granddaddy sits the kid on their knee and tells them about how they're going to take the guns once. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know about that.

I'll leave that to the side. I will say, first of all, Hapgood did not go anywhere near crying. No. We didn't listen to any of it, but now, because Alex has said that, it's not good enough for me to just assert that he didn't cry. I must play this for you and it illustrates exactly what happened. He didn't cry. He was a classy, polite guy who stayed there for over 20 minutes while Alex badgered him

and Alex was a total dick to him. He answered Alex's questions to the best of his ability and then Alex was a piece of shit to him. Love it. That's what we're going to listen to now and it's really actually important because I want to illustrate how much of a liar Alex is in that last clip and then it weaves into something that is a big piece of Alex's narratives that I need to go exhaustively into because I think it's super important and I apologize in advance for a lot of reading that's going

to come out here. Okay. All right. Alex starts to in, we're back to the 20th now, flashing back to February 20th when Alex had Lieutenant Colonel Greg Hopgood on his show. He's already done the formalities and the introductions and this is where he tries to start leading Hopgood down a path and it doesn't work. Are you aware that there's now a massive domestic role for the regular army and National Guard

in the United States? Well, I think you have to look historically is that that domestic role really has been filled by the National Guard across the United States for decades and in Iowa we're no different. For instance, last summer we had incredibly historic floods. Here in the state, the number one response force for many military is always the National Guard in their home state and we deployed more than 4,000 people last summer to fight floods in Iowa. That being said, if there are other kinds of response necessary in the state and typically

the responses that we really have to do with are most of the time natural disasters. But in the event of other disasters, let's say some kind of weapons of mass destruction or some other kind of incident, we'd be also called upon to do that. So I do have some visibility on that duty as well. Colonel, if you're ordered to confiscate citizens firearms under PDD 25 or PDD 51, are you going to follow that order? With respect to any kind of duty that we perform in Iowa, it kind of depends on on which status it's in about who we take orders from number one.

If it is in a peacetime situation, the vast majority of the time, any kind of request for assistance comes from the governor of the state of Iowa. I can tell you that the order of which you just spoke has never been received by the Iowa National Guard. And I can tell you that you will not find stronger defenders of the Constitution than the men and women of the Iowa National Guard. So that's that sounds like he's tearful. Colonel, would you kill the Jedi and more importantly, the younglings?

I mean, it's not far off, you know, what he's where he's going with his line of badgering questions. So we're going to listen to more of him because it would be unfair of me to cherry pick this and be like, well, that's the one part where he wasn't crying. No, he was totally crying there. He was on the edge of telling Alex everything. If the governor, he almost even said it. He said if the governor ordered us to take everybody's guns away, obviously we, that's

how the rules work. That's the Constitution. And he doesn't mean anything and we're destroying it and we're taking, oh, God, didn't you hear that part? I didn't. You didn't hear that part. I didn't hear that part. Okay.

Did you, did you hear the part where he talked about how great his grandfather was? Because then we can reverse engineer everything after that. My granddaddy. No. So at this point, Alex tries to throw some of his narratives at him and see if he can get him to budge and be like, yeah, we did. We love the Republic, right? But it doesn't work.

Well, I remember back in 2002, seeing local newscasts with Iowa National Guard, not in drills, but out on the highways, searching cars and then telling the news cameras to turn off. Were you in the guard dinner? Were you aware of that? I went to the guard for 23 years and I've never heard of that. It was on Iowa news channels. He's breaking down.

I've been a member of the Iowa National Guard since 1986 and I've been in public affairs since 1991. I do not recall ever hearing of a situation such as that. Well, let's just boil it down to this. I have video of Army and Marines with role-players screaming, I'm an American, please don't put me in the camp. The Department of Transportation developed a training to confiscate their firearms. I mean, certainly you've heard the Army Times and the new director from Secretary of Defense,

Robert Gates, that they will use the National Guard under federal control for civil insurrection. Are you saying you're not aware of that? No, I'm certainly aware of that, absolutely. But I think you have to look at the role of the National Guard historically is that historically we are used in states for disasters overwhelmingly. And our job is to, number one, be ready for our mission federally, which is to go to war. And number two is to help our fellow citizens of the United States of America. But the Army...

Those are the things that we prepare for and train for. The Army War College, three weeks ago issued a report saying they're shifting a lot of their focus to engaging the American people and directives on engagement with the American people under Northcom. Now, this isn't... You know, Northcom isn't part of our history. The National Guard being federalized as a full integrated force, that is new. That is different.

Well, you've got to remember that the National Guard, 99% of the time, if you're talking about peacetime, belongs to the state in which they are located. Only on occasion do they become federalized. One of those examples, of course, is being mobilized and deployed to go to war or peacekeeping or other kinds of federalized missions. But other than that, the National Guard generally in peacetime belongs to the governor of that state. Absolutely.

Absolutely. And you know, so Alex, even there, looks like he's going to get a brick wall. I'm going to start crying. He's throwing out the best he's got and Hapgood is calmly and politely responding with... If boringly. Well, yeah, perhaps, but it is important information, you know, the idea that they have dual roles in terms of being at the will of the governor of the state that they're operating in almost all the time.

And then they become federalized when they're deployed. Stuff like that, when they're deployed for war. So the idea that they're federalized, Alex gets to throw that around a lot. But what that is really in reference to is a very minuscule aspect of what they do, even when they go into another state for like natural disaster relief efforts and stuff like that. Like let's say the Iowa National Guard ends up in Illinois, then they are under the aegis of the Illinois governor. They're being...

Is that true? They're being lent to the state of Illinois. So they respond or they, the chain of command goes up to the Illinois governor. So Hapgood has a lot of good answers for Alex and sort of is trying to calmly deflect his narratives and trying to be like, well, here's the real situation. And I understand what you're saying and whatever. And it's not working. And it leads to Alex getting what I would describe as, as hostile.

I mean, sir, you know, historically there's a danger of militaries being used by the executive branch to subdued populations and there's talk of breakdown of society and rioting right now. Well, I mean, what I can tell you is only what we do here in Iowa and that's be prepared to go to war, be prepared to help people here in the United States. Those are the things that we do. So what if there's a situation like New Orleans and you're told to go into people's houses and confiscate their firearms?

I mean, they did that in Louisiana and Mississippi. I mean, would you be part of that in Iowa? We haven't been asked to do that in the state of Iowa in the history of our state. We've been around for 170 years, the Iowa National Guard. We started as a territorial militia. And like I said, we uphold the Constitution and advocate for the Constitution every day in what we do. But things are different now.

That's the whole point, sir. We know. There's a black man in the White House. We've known him for a long time. Anything could happen. The point is things are changing. That's the whole point we're trying to make. It's been all white for 170 years.

The point that I'm trying to make is you've trotted out this parade of horribles of which I can't possibly comment. All I can tell you about is what we do here in Iowa to get ready. That's specific to what I'm going to talk to you about. Yes, Colonel. We appreciate that. We respect your, you know, the fact you're being cordial while you're being interrogated. It's just we're upset because we're educated.

We know what's going on and people are going to remember what you've said here today as things unfold. So, I mean, Alex is openly being like, I'm interrogating you now, but he's also showing a little bit of his soft underbelly there. Because when Hapkood's like, there's things that you're bringing up that there's no fucking way I could comment on basically like, first of all, probably a lot of stuff I don't know about like other states, what they do and stuff like that. And then beyond that, some sort of thing that's like something I wasn't involved in.

No way I'm going to comment on that. And Alex is like, oh, we appreciate you being here. You know, because he's like, I don't want him to hang up on me. Don't want him to hang up. I still got interrogating to do. Which is, Colonel, if the Independence Day movie situation occurred, would you take the aliens guns or would you protect their Second Amendment rights? Aliens still have rights.

Alex would be very opposed to that. You'd say take their blasters. Um, so now we get to, um, did they have blasters in Independence Day? I think everybody's got every space movie is blasters. Okay, fair enough. Don't be foolish. All right. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. So now Alex gets to what he thinks is going to be a gotcha question, which isn't. And then we will get to a lot of information that I have that clearly illustrates that Alex is big dumb dumb. Yep. And I'm telling you, you can't deny what's happening. Don't be like the people of Germany or Russia, the military that denied, denied, denied what was right in front of their face.

Be like Italy or Japan. Again, I can just tell you what I see here in front of me every day. I see 9,500 men or women that are committed to liberty, that are committed to United States of America, committed to the state of Iowa, doing the absolute best they can do to take care of people. That's what I can tell you about. Colonel. Lieutenant Colonel.

Did Iowa send any guard trips to New Orleans? Yes, we did. In fact, I was there myself as well. We did send approximately 400 that were in Mississippi and some that were also in New Orleans as well. Did you take part in the gun confiscation? We did not take part in any of those kinds of operations. Did you witness it?

Did not. The Lair News Hours reported as well as the other programs of Bill Moyers that mercenaries were also used from Israel and Blackwater. Did you see those guys? No information about that. No information? I mean, you didn't see them or no information? Didn't personally see it.

Could you lie for me? So Alex is getting real raw about stuff now and he tried his best, probably his best salvo, which is, you guys were at Katrina. Yeah. You were in the Katrina relief. Did you take part in the gun confiscations? They confiscated guns in Katrina. Gotcha.

We need to talk about that. Ah, now there's a lot of writing and reading to be done. We need to talk about guns in Hurricane Katrina because Alex is a liar and he's a liar in a very specific way that I think is actually interesting and it's a story that I don't believe is very publicly out there and I think it would do us all a good bit to our edification to understand some of the dynamics that were at play. Cool. The idea that there was widespread gun confiscation after Hurricane Katrina is not based in reality,

but in fact is a myth that was created by the NRA along with the Second Amendment Association. They were trying to create this image of an out of control federal power taking advantage of a horrible tragedy in order to grab people's guns, but the truth is infinitely more complicated than that, but the reasons for doing so are not. The NRA's propaganda is largely propped up by an unfortunate quote from New Orleans Police Department Superintendent Edwin Compass III who said, quote, only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons. They're struggling to retain a state of calm in a city that was under 80% underwater and

plagued by looting and mismanaged efforts to help survivors. It was a clumsy dumb thing to say, but you can understand his mental state. Either way, he was no longer New Orleans Police Department Superintendent a few weeks later. He was relieved of duties. For saying that? No, just because of his bungling and mismanagement. Oh, because he was just shitting at the job. I didn't look too deeply into his leaving office, but I believe he stepped down.

I think there was like a, I'm not being effective. Either way, Brandon LeBouf, a Marine veteran in New Orleans Police Reserve officer who shy his brother exactly, who was actively involved in the response to Katrina has gone on record saying quote, there was not widespread gun confiscation in New Orleans. It was nowhere near as widespread as some would have you believe. I know I encountered countless people with firearms and did not confiscate a single one. Who did any officer I knew or worked with the only time firearms were seized were when someone or crime no different than before the rain.

He even goes on to say that he and other officers were given specific instructions not to take anyone's firearms. Okay. All right. So that is a pretty, pretty concrete. Well, hard to deny that it's a cross section, certainly of this guy's experience and you know, you can extrapolate out whatever you'd like to, but because they're inhuman piles of shit who only care about guns, the NRA gaunt onto a couple of incidents that were

a bit unfortunate. For example, an older lady was waving a gun around in front of officers who were trying to persuade her to leave her house. She ends up getting tackled and the video is pretty rough because it is an old lady, but she does it. Does have a gun out in her hand. Is she waving a gun around well, but not like then her old lady status revoked. It's not like waving it around threateningly necessarily, but even anytime you're waving

a gun around, brandishing is not a nonviolent act. I believe that the legal definition of brandishing is you have to have your finger on the trigger or something like that. I don't care to litigate that. It's not my business. Even her telling of it is like, I had a gun in my hand and then I got tackled. Well, I mean, there is a clear cause and effect relationship there that makes sense. But the optics of it are super unfortunate.

And so the NRA took some incidents like this and they sued the New Orleans police department very closely. NRA to the rescue. Great job guys. This led to a settlement in 2008 where the New Orleans police department revealed that they had taken 552 guns into their headquarters between August 23rd, 2005, the day of the storm and December 31st, 2005. According to police.

The day after the storm. Yeah. According to police, these were mostly stolen guns that had been confiscated and abandoned guns they'd found at abandoned homes. The terms of the settlement made it so the New Orleans police department had to do everything in their power to let people know that they can come and get their guns. That was it. None of this should have happened to begin with because, quote, in April 2006, police

made firearms available to owners to claim if they could present a bill of sale or an affidavit with the weapon serial number, which of course presents its own difficulty. How does a person whose house flooded provide proof of ownership of a gun when that proof probably was destroyed in the flood? Then, what do you do if you're the police? Do you just give guns to anyone claiming to be their owner? Of course. NRA.

Basically, the NRA's lawsuit and the settlement thereof led to the resolution that people would just have to sign an affidavit that a certain gun was theirs and then it was. So that's the... I like that. So there are a few stories that exist out there in the ether about people having their guns taken away from them in the aftermath of Katrina. But all those stories, they all clearly involve people talking about run-ins within New Orleans Police Department, not with some sort of national guard that's been federalized or out of state

forces of the government or anything like that. It's all New Orleans Police Department. And it was all old ladies. Every single person who had their guns taken away, old lady. But we will get to one commonality between them a little bit. All named Ethel? No. The reason that it's important to point out that this was an issue where they were running

into the New Orleans Police Department is because the investigations have shown that New Orleans Police Department has a long history of stealing people's guns and traffic stops. Gordon Hutchinson writing for the Louisiana Sportsman said, quote, in the course of research for our book on the confiscation of firearms in the aftermath of the hurricane, we heard a number of similar stories. They all followed the same vein. A citizen is pulled over in a traffic stop. The New Orleans Police Department officer takes a gun from the citizen and asks the

citizen if they have a receipt for the gun. When the answer is no, the gun is seized and the citizen is informed that if they will show up at a specific precinct with proof of ownership, they can have the gun back. When I asked a good friend, a retired New Orleans Police Department officer about the practice, he stated that it was a fairly common practice to take guns for motorists before the hurricane. This was an open secret in New Orleans law enforcement communities and had zero to do with Hurricane Katrina or the assistance of federal officers or the National Guard.

It was the behavior of an underfunded, understaffed, undertrained and structurally deficient police department. The Department of Justice did an investigation into the New Orleans Police Department and found it to be a complete mess that needed essentially a complete overhaul to be functional. From their 158 page report, quote, the deficiencies in the way the New Orleans Police Department and the police of the city are not simply individual, but structural as well. For too long, the department has been largely indifferent to widespread violations of law and policy by its officers.

New Orleans Police Department does not have in place the basic systems known to improve public safety, ensure constitutional practices and promote public confidence. We found that the deficiencies that lead to constitutional violations span the operations of the entire department, from how officers are recruited, trained, supervised and held accountable to the operations of paid details, in the absence of mechanisms to protect and promote civil rights. Officers too frequently use excessive force and conduct illegal stops, searches and arrests with impunity.

Yeah, that was like in that documentary, Bad Lieutenant, Port of Call New Orleans. And Herzog documentary. Yeah, yeah, Nicholas Cage was a New Orleans cop for a while, right? He might have used that DOJ report as source material. So are they stealing guns to use? Like to issue to each other? Like because they can't afford a standard issue gun, they're stealing other people's guns?

No, probably selling them or something like that. There's probably some element. They're selling guns. Oh, like they sell old cars, like that kind of like they sell old police cars. So they sell guns at like an auction or something. Or just as a power trip kind of thing. And I think that in corrupt police departments, who knows exactly why they're doing what they're doing.

Right. They're fucking crazy. They could collect a big cash of weapons. Shit ton of weapons, yeah. They could be doing that. But you never know when you might need a big cash of weapons. But the point is for years, New Orleans Police Department has been doing that to people. Yeah, they're evil.

It's the same thing with cash, civil forfeit assa-ture. Right. Right, right, right. You know, you take people's cash and like prove it's yours at that precinct and you can have it back. Right. They've been doing that with guns for years. This isn't something that happened in Hurricane Katrina.

It was a problem for a long time. Now, this is a systematic problem within the city's police department that was left unchecked for a long time. Alex Jones and the NRA and their ilk don't care about that. They only care about their imagined fantasies of out of control federal troops using the disaster to take guns. And there's a very specific reason for that. The people in the NRA's video where their guns taken by the police are all white.

Whereas the New Orleans Police Department generally showed an absurd bias towards targeting African Americans. No. A police department showing bias towards. From that DOJ report, quote, indeed the limited arrest data that the department collects points to racial disparities and arrests of whites and African Americans in virtually all categories with particularly dramatic disparities for African American youth under the age of 17. Arrest data provided by the New Orleans Police Department indicates that in 2009 the department

arrested 500 African American males and eight white males under the age of 17 for serious offenses. Great, great. Which range from homicide to larceny over $50. Good work, guys. During the same period, the department arrested 65 African American females and one white female in the same age group. God damn it.

Even if you adjust for population differences, black youths were being arrested at a rate of approximately 16 to one compared to whites. God damn it. Also notable, quote, of the 27 instances between January 2009 and May 2010 in which New Orleans Police Department officers intentionally discharged their firearms at people, all 27 of the subjects of this deadly force were African American. So it's very clear if you look at the pattern of the department, what was going on for a long time as they were stealing guns from black people and no one cared because they

had no social power. USA. USA. Sorry. The officers taking guns in New Orleans weren't federal troops. They were the same cops that had been taking people's guns in New Orleans forever. Great. Alex and his community make this such an important piece of their narratives because it's a classic

instance of white people receiving the treatment that minorities were subjected to all the time and they can't stand it. Also sorry, their guns were taken away, but also 1800 or so people died in that storm, including this, quote, six days after Hurricane Katrina struck in New Orleans, members of the New Orleans Police Department killed two civilians, 17-year-old James Brissette and 40-year-old Ronald Madison. Four other civilians were wounded. All of the victims were African American.

None were armed, nor had committed any crime. Madison, a mentally disabled man, was shot in the back. So there's bigger issues to talk about than a couple of people who had their guns taken in the same way that, and now granted, I don't think they should have had their guns taken, but when we do triage in a situation like this, that is absolutely the smallest deal. So the issue that I think I really need to, when you strip some of the horrors away from it, which I know is very difficult to do, this is nothing to do with federal troops coming in or national guard troops.

It's the byproduct of a year's deficient police department that no one has stepped in to get into line or to correct the problems of it. They're behaving in the exact same way they behaved before the storm, and Alex is using it as some sort of like, this is what happens when the federal government comes in. No, sir, this is city, this is state-level stuff. You are very wrong about that, and if you want to get right with your narrative, then you have to get right with all of that. You have to get right with the fact that this is a department that was running amuck and

was out of control. Now, the further thing that Alex needs to get right about is this. Because there was such an outcry by the NRA and these gun rights groups about this, President Bush ended up pushing through a new code, US Code Title 42, Chapter 68, Subchapter 5, Code 5207, which reads, Prohibition of Confiscation of Firearms. No officer or employee of the United States, including any member of the Uniformed Services, or person operating pursuant to or under color of federal law, or receiving federal funds, or under control of any federal official, or providing services to such an employee, officer,

or other person while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency may one, temporarily or permanently seize or authorize seizure of any firearm, the possession of which is not prohibited under federal state or local law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation, two, they may not require registration of any firearm for which registration is not required by federal state or local law. The only limitation that's listed in this is that nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit any person from requiring the temporary surrender of a firearm as a condition

for entry into a mode of transportation used for rescue or evacuation during a major disaster or emergency provided that such temporary surrendered firearm is returned at the completion of said rescue or evacuation. So you can't have a gun in an ambulance. That is the whole code. The whole code right there is like, you will get to keep your gun no matter the fuck what unless you're in an ambulance. That's it.

Or like a getaway ban. Yeah. Like a bus or something like that. They might require you to. So all this Jesus, that's not good. That might be a little over correcting Jordan. We're in 2009 listening to Alex spreading fear about the idea that the federal government is going to use disasters to come in and take guns.

After Hurricane Katrina, because of the NRA's propaganda and what they were doing, the federal government made a code that you can't do that. You can't take guns from anybody at no federal officer working in any sort of capacity can take guns during an emergency because of the emergency status of it. It's right there in the federal code. If Alex Jones is going to use a federal code that he rattles off that subsection 50, blah, blah, blah. That one to say like, oh, chemtrails are real.

That's just as real. You dickweed. That's the same federal code. So they can't do it. You can't do it. Now the other thing I want to bring this up because it's one of the sort of like, I believe that I think I've covered a lot of the bases of why this narrative is bullshit. But I need to bring one more piece into this.

And that is that one of the, I mean, there's a million things that people in the government got wrong about Katrina. But one of the things that is incredibly unfortunate, I think, because it leads into the NRA being able to pull shit like this, is that the evacuation was mandatory. People needed to evacuate from their homes. And one of the reasons for that is because of the fact that 80% of the city was underwater, the fact that people were talking about how there was going to be tens of thousands of dead found in the water.

And that conversation was being had with straight somber faces very credibly. You know, like it was, it was an expectation like, I don't know how we don't have a death toll that high. Yeah. And if you have that sort of a situation, the possibility for chemicals and dead bodies rotting in water leads to a massive public health crisis that you need to, you need to clear things out. Yeah.

The idea that they had a mandatory evacuation, I think might have been not helpful necessarily. Right. But the reasoning for it does make sense. Now, the reason it's a big problem is because there aren't any concealed carry laws in New Orleans. So if people are evacuating their homes, which is now mandatory, they, if they bring their guns with them by virtue of them being out in public with those guns, that is now an illegal gun.

Yeah. And there is an issue where I think that some of these cops who were already doing it to motorists before the storm, yeah, could have used that sort of almost entrapment aspect to take some people's guns. Yeah. I don't think, like I said, I've already made it clear. I don't think you should be taking people's guns without cause. But to say it was about the storm or the National Guard or federal troops is missing the forest

for the trees in terms of this story. And that's all I have to say on the matter. That's, yeah, I mean, that goes back to why Alex is not afraid of government overreach now is because he's only really afraid of government overreach when it comes to treating white people the way that we always treat black people. That's that's all it is. It's strange that it's such a such a through line. And that is such a like, I know what we do to minorities is wrong because if it happens

to me in even the slightest capacity, I will lose my fucking mind. So that means you are fine with this level of mistreatment. If it happens to anyone who looks like me and I feel bonded with, then I will create an entire world government conspiracy in order to justify why this is wrong when I don't give a shit if it's happening to brown people. I don't really give a shit. That's how we defeat the NRA. And I'm stealing this from Star Trek.

Interesting. Every phasers, every black person, every Muslim person, everyone who is non-white registers and buys a gun and the NRA will explode like an overinflated balloon. Well, Star Trek, I mean, Star Trek rules. I mean, they didn't, you know, they don't seem to be all that interested in like the Second Amendment rights of like that Philando Castillo, you know, like crazy. Yeah. But you know what?

Also, the other thing too is that they might take care of themselves, you know, hearing all these stories about how they're not making any money anymore and they might have to fold shit like that. Fuck them. They're liars. They're fucking lying liars. They're fucking lying about everything. That's probably just a fundraising drive.

Yeah, exactly. Fundraising false flag. Yeah. That's Alex's money bomb two years ago. Yeah. So we're done. I've said my piece about Hurricane Katrina. I don't think I've covered all of the basis of it, but the ones that are relevant to Alex's

narrative and why he's a liar, I think we have a pretty good handle on it. I'm pretty sure you fucking crushed it. Jesus Christ. So now we get back to this interview with Greg Hapgood, who I actually looked into him. He seems like a great dude. I don't know a ton about it. If boring. Except the articles that I was able to find.

He actually just retired this year in 2018. Yeah. Greg had. He was in, helped with Hurricane Harvey in Houston. Yeah. He was sent troops from the Iowa National Guard out to help with Hurricane Maria out in Puerto Rico. He's been doing this forever.

Is he a good granddaddy though? I don't know that. I can't speak to that. All right. I would assume he seems like an upstanding guy. So anyway, Alex now tries to throw, I would say are his greatest hits of his narratives at home. Right.

Bilderberg. And this boy, this man doesn't flinch. Marshall Law, the news admits that's what's being set up. They've built FEMA camps, millions of plastic coffins and we know this has been quietly being built and designed over decades and all these states are revolting against it. And I talked to the military and it's just, oh no, this is for overseas or we're only here to help with. I mean, don't you admit this could be used dual use and could acclimate the local citizenry

and the population to have their guns confiscated? I mean, that's what happened in New Orleans. All I can tell you is what our intent is and our intent is to provide prepared soldiers so they're ready to go when it comes time for the time for them to go someplace very dangerous for them to not only do their missions successfully, but survive and come home to their families. So those are the things that we do and what we see. Did you hear about Governor Blagojevich four months ago before he got disgraced?

Hey, Blagojevich. Should we use the National Guard Bill and the way for door to door gun confiscation? That's a different place. We're talking about Iowa here in Iowa. Fair point. Alex just trying to move the goalposts and talk about bloggo. That's not, it's a, sir, we're not talking about that also off the record that I can go fuck himself.

Sure. Not my, not my deal, but Blago, fuck yourself. And at this point now, what a good nine years later, the National Guard has not been used to go door to door and confiscate guns. Doesn't seem like it. So we've played a bit of this interview from February 20th and I'm like, well, I got to be fair. Let's play the end of it.

Cause maybe he cries at the end. That'd be fun. That's entirely possible. Yeah. Maybe he cries. Um, you know, certainly again, we absolutely believe in the constitution and you won't find better Patriots and people in the National Guard. Last time I was down in Central America, there was military out searching people.

I mean, to me, is that the classic image of freedom? You know, keeping us safe from WMD searching three year olds, purses. So we have photos of that. Well, I mean, all I can tell you is, is what we do here in Iowa and what, and what we see in our operations. For instance, uh, we were just asked to take part in the inauguration, Washington DC. Our job there was to help make sure people got in the right places, uh, make sure that people were safe and those are the kinds of missions that we're generally asked to do.

But you're saying that's not a violation of Posse Commentatus to have the National Guard now that we've been centralized searching people's bags. No, I didn't say that. Um, in fact, what I can tell you about the Iowa National Guard is we're generally in a state status on operations unless of course we're deployed for war. Then we'd be in a federal status, but generally, if we're going to work here in the United States somewhere or generally, um, on a state status of some kind, which is, are you guys, are you guys getting a lot of phone calls about this right now?

Uh, we actually have gotten a number of phone calls about this and I think the biggest misdomer is that is once people find out that the actual mission is about replicating training so we can go to war, then, then they're okay with that. So after folks, I think it's a misconception that, that has anything to do with other than combat readiness. Yeah. Well, I've seen the documents interviewed folks above your pay grade, Lieutenant Colonel, I'm sorry to tell you, you are wrong and you're being acclimated yourself.

The police are being acclimated. The local community is being acclimated for martial law. The FEMA camps are now public. No more denial. Lieutenant Colonel, uh, Greg and Hapgood, we appreciate your time. We ask you to live up to your oath. Thanks for your opportunity. Thank you.

Take care. Wow. That is a dick right there. That is a fucking huge asshole. That's unbelievable. That's next level rude. He has spent like a half hour talking to him and being very polite while Alex badgers him about nonsense, accuses him of stealing people's guns in New Orleans when they, that at the

end there's like, Nope, you're wrong. Dan, Dan, I respect your analysis and all of the evidence that you have shown here, but I'm going to have to tell you that you're wrong. You've lied about everything. You're full of shit and you're a pawn of the enemy and, uh, thank you for your service. You have, uh, been in service when, when you retired this year, 36 years, uh, we asked you uphold your oath. Hey, Alex, you ever helped anybody out during the flood?

Shut your fucking mouth, you dumb asshole. Are you getting a lot of phone calls about this? Uh, yeah, mainly because you're, uh, mainly because you're a fucking asshole and I hate you and I'm coming on your show to make sure that the people who would call us, who are calling us will shut the fuck up and you're an asshole. I'm reaching out because I know that you're dangerous. Maybe, uh, yeah, we can diffuse this thing and get people to think more rationally about what's actually going on.

Nope, you're wrong. Yep. You're a betrayer. Crazy. That's, that's an interesting, that's an interesting question though. Now to me is, so he goes, so ostensibly, what I, what I see here is that the lieutenant colonel first of all didn't cry, didn't cry, did not even come close, didn't even come close.

He had the same monotone the entire way was, but that's cause he's also part of like the public outreach part of the national guard. Yeah. He's a, he's a PR guy for the most, at this point, he knows what the fuck he's doing. He did like 15, 18 years or whatever, like on the ground in the national guard and then transitioned into a PR position. So that's why he's so boring and giving the answers that are like, which is a valid answer. I don't think it's evading the question to say like, what I can talk about is what Iowa

does, what we do in Iowa. Yeah. Cause that's the only thing I know about professionalism you get from him. Yeah. And I think he's being very classy because it would be very easy for him to like fight back with Alex, but I think he knows it's pointless at the same time he could hang up, but then Alex would just use that as some sort of evidence that he's afraid of my questions. Right.

So he does the only thing he can do, which is like, no, look, you're talking about federalized stuff. You need to realize the, the go, the role of the national guard does have a federal application in certain circumstances, but generally we're under the authority of the governor of the state that we're in. Well, it's a no win situation and God bless him for trying, but that's, that's the question there. Is it better?

So for him, his motivation, uh, what, what I can see is he wants to like preempt all of these fucking phone calls. Like he's gotten enough phone calls now where he knows that somebody is spreading this bullshit around. Right. He talks to those, he talks to those people and eventually at the end of the phone call, they're usually like, okay, actually, you know what, you're a reasonable guy and that makes a lot of sense.

You're, you're a pretty cool dude. So he's thinking, maybe if I go on Alex's show, I can do the same with Alex and he lost. I agree. And I think a lot of people probably think that once and then they go on the show and like, oh, that was bad. I can't do that. So, so that's why you don't have return appearances by rational humans. Right.

Let's show it. Like Russell Brand didn't come back. No. He's a bad example of a rational human, but uh, doctor, doctor, what's his face? No, I think Dr. Dean Adele does come back because he likes to fight. Okay. Can we listen to more Dean Adele if I can find them? Yeah.

God, I want to listen to so many Dean Adele episodes, but people like a David Lynch doesn't come back. Right. People like that. They don't, they show up once and they're like, fuck that. Whoa. Right. I thought this would, I thought this would be a conversation.

It was not. There was an agenda there. Yeah. So I think, I think you have that. I think recently in 2018 that, uh, Senator Matt Gates or Congress person, I don't know if he's in the house of the Senate because I don't really care about him, but, uh, he went on and then people were like, why'd you do that? He's like, yeah, I, that was a mistake.

I'm not going to do that again. I shouldn't have done that. I think, I think that even, you know, people, I think people get the message when they go on out. Like I get it. That was, I shouldn't have done that. That's it. That's an interesting.

You want it. You want to try. So what you have to ask yourself the question is it more important that everybody is aware of Alex in order to be wary of Alex or that no one should know who Alex is. Or like, because we get it, we keep getting into this situation where people go on Alex's show expecting a good faith, right, uh, circumstance, and then they wind up getting their asses dunked on because Alex is a fucking lunatic and there's no, there's no escape from that. So you only lend your credibility to Alex's show.

No one knowing would be great, but I don't think that's possible. Right. So now the only thing that I think is appropriate is people being aware of him to be wary. Yes. Absolutely. But you have to play his game a little bit, even if you're outside of it and take it because there are criticisms that he makes that are valid of people who cover him. Like the idea that they don't play the clips of me saying X, Y, or Z, like we've talked

about in the past, like Brian Stelter doesn't have time to play all your clips. Yeah. So you're going to make broad generalizations that are accurate, but you can attack him by saying he didn't play the clips. Right. So a show like ours, I think is super important because then you can be wary of him. And then when he says they don't play the clips, he goes, they do, they do. I know what you said.

Yeah. You know, you can have that. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't want to toot our own horn, but I think that that is the, that is the void that we can feel incredibly well. Yeah. Um, so that's why.

So the only real solution to Alex Jones is for everyone to know who we are. It would help. Even if not, everybody listens to our show necessarily, but just knowing as a resource of some sort. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. People knowing that this is there, uh, uh, I think it helps because like, like I said, you can't go to Brian Stelter to get breakdowns of why Alex is wrong. But often even things that are posted on media matters are just clips and then like the transcript of it, of something inflammatory, it doesn't necessarily break down why this is crazy. Yeah. It's just crazy on its face.

Right. I think there's a value to that to some extent, but I don't know. We need every article about Alex Jones to end with a little end for confirmation. Like our, like on Wikipedia, Alex Jones, uh, uh, you know, like sources cited should just be us and linking to all of our episodes and also I need, I need, cause I don't expect you to do this. I need a much more robust database of the things that we've covered about him with a lot of the proof.

So people don't have to just go to the episodes when somebody starts paying you a shit ton of money from, uh, from like right wing watch or, or media matters or something to do that. Then fuck. Yeah. You should do it. Until then. I wouldn't do it for free, Dan. Might be a hobby.

I wouldn't do it for free. Uh, speaking of doing things for free, I'm not sure that's a good transition. Yeah. We'll find out muscle memory kicked in. Um, so we'll get to the, we're back to the 23rd now. So no, we've dealt with Hurricane Katrina. Yeah. We've dealt with this interview with a hop, a hop good who did not cry.

Alex is lying about that. Yeah. Uh, he was a classy gentleman and now we get back to the 23rd and Alex is back on his bullshit trying to make you super scared. But while he's trying to make you super scared, he's trying to build in a back door because he knows that all the things he's making you afraid about aren't going to happen. Yeah. But see, I've been moral.

I'm not putting myself in that position. I have at least four years of story. I have firearms. Now, let me add, if you try to take me to some sports stadium, you try to drag me off of the back of a flatback truck like they're doing with the military drills right now. Okay. Folks, I'm not going there for my family to be raped and killed. Okay.

It's not going to happen. So back off, stand down, do the right thing yourself morally, get yourselves ready. And then we can avert this. If we get ready and prepared and geared up and get the word out politically, they will back off of this and they'll just say it was a bad recession. There's still a few months to pull out of this. They are gauging. They are testing.

They are looking at things. So this is the cowardly way Alex always presents most of his fear based narratives. He's making it much more overt in that clip than he usually does, but it is the like, if we do something, then my fear won't come to pass and then that will be what ends up happening. Yeah. I know that the outcome of this is we're going to bounce back from the crash that happened. I know that things are going to normalize and we're going to be okay.

And all they're going to do is call it a bad recession when what it really was was a manufactured event to try and test whether or not they're going to be able to steal your guns and whenever they don't steal your guns, you'll know it's because we stopped it because they didn't steal your guns and they're lying to you about it just being a bad recession. It definitely isn't that it was just a bad recession. Caused by 20 years of terrible fucking management after the deregulation of, okay, never mind. It's self confirming propaganda, which is the most dangerous sort because if you're dumb, you'll just buy into it and you'll be like, okay, well, no matter what, you don't realize

that no matter what outcome Alex gets to pretend he's right. Yeah. It's cheating. It's basically you just. It's fortune teller. It's a three card Monty game that he's playing with his audience. Yeah. He knows where the queen is all the time.

He's fucking fleecing you. That's all he's doing. You will meet a stranger wearing red shoes. He might as well just be fucking saying that or you're, you're somebody who likes to go out a lot, but sometimes you like to stay in. You like to stay in. Oh my God. That's me.

That is so me. Yeah. Stupid. I went to a fortune teller once. It was really fucked up. Yeah. I got, I got taken for a ride. I mean, I didn't buy into it, but the thing was that like the, it was a cash cab style

fortune teller. The price was much more than what it appeared to be advertised as. I think I, I think I walked away paying like 40 bucks or something like that because your fortune was too good. No. It was the vaguest pile of shit. Yeah. She was like, oh, someone in your life is going to get sick, but they're very old.

I'm like, oh, I thought this was a cliche. I thought this was just what people like made fun of for it. Yeah. Step up your game, man. I was like, this is, this is really disappointing. Did she vomit ectoplasm at you there? Did not, but there was no, there was cheesecloth. Okay.

That's good. Yeah. That was just on the side. What is cheesecloth? Cheesecloth is cloth made of cheese. I think that's true and yet it can't be true. I really, I do some research on your own time at cheesecloth. I'm sorry.

I just, I just can't. So 2009 is on our plate. Yeah. That was bad. Oh, lost my train of thought there. Like a, like a roll of cheesecloth. It is on our plate ready to be devoured. So what's going on in the world in 2009 is so foreign to current day because Glenn Beck

still hasn't been disgraced. Like right. He always was looked at by right thinking people as kind of a goof and a asshole, a silly monster. But he is not. He didn't have the fall from grace that he has now where everyone's like, ha, ha, ha. He still had a big fan base and he was the golden boy of the, what Alex views his audience as.

Right. Because you had people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh who are a much more main line Republican, conservative folk where you had Glenn Beck coming in with not the same sort of libertarian fury that Alex has, but he had much more of a corner of the market that was not the same as a Hannity or a, uh, he, I would put him closer to like the Neil Bort's camp, which doesn't mean anything to you. I just listened to tons of no idea who Neil Bort's is. He was this guy.

He wrote a bunch of books about the flat tax and, uh, you had a black sidekick named a Royal. What? Yeah. Royal was pretty cool. What? Wait, what? I love the Neil Bort's program.

I brought his female sidekick as, but she was also a weird caricature. Anyway, it's... Are you talking about the Lone Ranger? No. Man, I love that show. The Lone Ranger? No. Neil Bort's.

Okay. I used to, when I managed a movie theater, a lot of my time had to be spent like ordering supplies, uh, uh, scheduling movies for the next week, you know, planning the schedule of, you know, what theater movies would be in, making schedules for the employees, doing payroll, uh, balancing drawers, counting the safe, stuff like that. Yeah. So I ended up back in the office for large portions of the day when I was, uh, the manager, because my responsibilities were somewhat on the floor.

Administrative. But a lot of them was administrative. Yeah. And so I would end up being there and like you close a movie theater at like two in the morning, your last movie start at midnight, you end up getting out of there at two. And by the time it gets to be about like 10, there's not that much to do a lot of the time, except make sure everything's running smoothly to your paperwork and stuff like that. So I'd be back in the office and I'd just listened to tons of conservative radio.

I would listen to the station, 93 nine, the Eagle and they had Glenn Beck. They had a Hannity and then in the, uh, towards the evenings, they would have, uh, Neil Bort's and then they'd have, uh, my main man who I still think is really awesome, Phil Hendry. He wasn't a conservative, but I don't know what he was doing on this station. Do you know Phil Hendry? No. I've never heard that name before though. So his show was that he, what he would do is he would have an interview with a fake

person. He was doing that voice too. So he, oh, so he was doing, no, actually I do know who this guy is because that guy is all, is like a, uh, a parallel to like, uh, uh, your Joe Frank, like that's Joe Frank is a guy who, okay, well, look into Joe Frank and I'll look more into Phil Hendry. So Phil Hendry, one of the things that blew my mind was he had, so he would do his own callers or his own interviews would be himself. So he's doing himself as the straight man host, wacky interview subject who would say

something fucking inflammatory and then he would take calls and be both characters and he would antagonize the caller as both people and it's the most brilliant thing on my life. How could he not be on conservative radio? I don't know. That's exactly where he should be. It was. I guess that's probably the like marketing model because those are the people who are going to be tricked by it.

Yeah, of course. So the character who was Ted's of Beverly Hills, Ted's, well, that's his restaurant. So Ted from Ted's of Beverly Hills, he's like this really rich guy who's got this awesome restaurant. And one of the times I heard him on, it was very close to after nine, 11. It was not far after it might have been within a month or two. Okay. He's coming on and he's like, uh, so Ted is again, it's Phil doing the voice.

Yeah. And one of the things about it is that I will pay to have the World Trade Center rebuilt. I'll take care of all of it. I'll take care of all of it. Don't worry about it. I'm a very rich man. I'd like to help out the country. I'll pay for it all, but there's one condition and that is that I need there to be a plaque

at the base of the new towers that have the names of everyone who died that day to memorialize them and beneath it, my daily specials. I was listening, that is fucking genius. I love that so much. That's insane. I was listening to that. I'm like, Holy shit. That is insane.

That's brilliant. People kept calling in and like, what the fuck? Oh, brilliant. God, that's so good. That's so good. Like it's the best kind of creative trolling. So I'd listen to that and then coast to coast AM would come on. So I'd listen to the ghost stuff.

Yeah. Because of the Phil Hendry and coast to coast, which are palatable shows, I ended up listening to that station more and more, which is why I got the Neil Boerts stuff in. That's why I know about him. But all this is to say that at that time, Glenn Beck was a relevant figure. And I think that Alex Jones is a little bit jealous because he's being much more successful and much more penetrating in the mainstream than Beck is. So towards the end of this episode here on February 23rd, Alex has a clip of Glenn Beck's

that he's particularly mad about and he decides to play it. And I don't want to, we're going to listen to a little bit of the Glenn Beck portion. Yeah. But I think it's really interesting to hear Alex's response at the end of it. That's much more telling, I believe. And also it's really interesting to hear Glenn Beck sound like future Alex Jones as opposed to Alex's narrative where he's like, Glenn Beck is always ripping me off. Right.

See if you can tell what I'm talking about there. It's tied into what would happen in the Middle East is also tied in to just running over Europe. Europe itself is teetering with a Muslim extremist as well. How does the world stand without America standing there and being prepared to deal with it? Glenn, you know, this is a very important point that you brought up. What happens with America not there is exactly what happens when the teacher leaves the classroom. A lot of these people go wild and I'm talking in particular in the Muslim world.

And what you have in Western Europe in particular is they are no longer going to be able to be embarrassed how we interact with them or how we think about them and how they deal with this threat over there. They're going to fold like a cheap wallet. They already are falling. She's even surrounded by people. We saw with the idea of welders where they wouldn't let him in to speak and invited to the House of Parliament there.

So this is a big problem and Ben Laden also said that his goal was to cripple us economically. So what is the right time? Okay, enough of that. We don't have time. There's even more. Look, it's all just a bunch of twisting. The United States has funded the drug war to go after cartels that are caught. That's why Mexico is collapsing.

The bankers, we told you this before, we told you the gas was, you know, oil was $147 a barrel. It was going to go down below 50 and it did to cripple and cause insurrection rebellion worldwide. And this is World War III. This is the new world war bringing in financial collapse against the U.S., against everybody. And they're busy telling you about the Muslim extremists they engineered back in the 80s are going to get us.

If the U.S. doesn't continue to be the policeman of the world, so the bottom line is invade the world or all dead. What the Rand Corporation said three months ago about how they need to start a giant world war. And this is it, folks. And you know, it's just, just pathetic. It's wild. It is wild.

That is wild. That is fucking wild. And so my new operating thesis, based on that especially, and based on Alex's saying that his traffic is spiking wildly, is he's going to get up in his head a little bit. His ego is going to get the better of him. And when he sees Glenn Beck becoming the figure of the Tea Party, he's not going to be able to stand it. He hates Glenn Beck.

He's going to start adopting some of the things that Glenn Beck is putting out into the world a little bit more, such as that anti-Muslim sentiment that we heard there that is not super persistent in Alex Jones in 2009. I still think he's a bigot towards all in 2009, but his particular hatred and distrust of Muslims is not as focused as just even that Glenn Beck clip was. It's wild. Why is it that sometimes Alex in 2009 sounds like me now, and in seven years, am I going to sound like Alex now?

Is that how that works? Is that what happens? Is there a pre-planned narrative for people like us? Maybe we're just in the first season of The Wire, but we're not characters in it yet. You know how those people in the spoiler alert, in the last season of The Wire, everyone takes over the roles of... Yes. The mantle of...

Yeah, yeah. The dookie becomes the new bubbles. The showing you that the cycle of violence never ends. Or a new Chris, whichever you would want to say he takes over. So like you have... Chris Marlow. Partlow. So you have...

Marlow is a different character, dick. All right, all right, all right. So but you have that sort of generational... There must be one. And it is interesting and fun to think about, like maybe that is, maybe that's your future. Maybe you become the next Alex Jones. Man, that'd be fun. But I don't want to be the...

I don't want to be the... What I'm saying is, like Alex Jones back then was crazy too, but he occasionally fucking somehow nailed it. But I mean, even if he nailed it, he was a little bit... No, no, no. Yeah, no. He was lying about some parts. But I mean, for real, like that was actually good analysis.

But he only is able to muster that because he hates Glenn Bet. Right. Like it's not like that's genuine or sincere. Right. And it contradicts some of like very soon narratives on his part. Well... Things that he will believe soon. The only reason I'm right about everything is because I hate Dick Cheney.

Like that's it. But Dick Cheney dies. Who knows what I'll think? Sure. Then you'll be off the train. It's all spite. It's all spite. So now we move on to the 24th.

And there's not a ton to get into and go over on the 24th to be perfectly honest. But I needed to just get it done with because we need to move through this and get to the point where... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We need the tea party to show up. Exactly.

And because of things that keep happening, it's slowing us down. I really hoped we'd be there already. But... I kind of thought we would be. How many episodes into 2009 and we've made it through like two weeks? Yeah. But none of it's a waste. That's true.

So we get in and Alex has a new thing he wants to scare people about. It's not new, but it's new to the episode today. And that is the public schools are going to kill you. I mean, here in Austin... Home school is great. You put your child in a public school, you're asking for it. They do one thing wrong. They raise their voice.

The police write them a ticket for disturbing the peace. Then they call them before a judge. It's all legalese. They order the family to sign an agreement that the child's on probation, a contract, and the next time your child's late to class, they go to jail. And then federal and state money kicks in and if they can say your child's mentally ill and put them on Prozac or Ritalin, they go from getting $3,000 or $4,000 a month in these facilities to in some cases as much as $10,000.

$10,000,000. Sure. Sure. Sure. Your kid speaks up in class, they're going to get on legal probation. That's exaggeration. Hey, I don't have to trust you based on Admiralty law. Yeah.

That flag you have us pledge allegiance to has gold frilling on it. That means it's Jolly Roger. Okay, you're going to prison. The teacher left the room. I am now officer of the court. So that stuff's bullshit. But then Alex gets into something that was coming out in the news at that time that is very real.

And he does a bad job of covering this and get to why on the other side, Pennsylvania rocked by jailing kids for cash scandal at a friend's sleepover more than a year ago, 14 year old Phillip Swartley, white pocketed change from unlocked vehicles in the neighborhood by buying chips and soft drinks, the cops caught him. There was no need for an attorney, said Phillips mother, Amy Swartley, who thought at most the judge would slap her son with a fine or community service. But she was shocked to find a great handcuffed and shackled in the courtroom and sentenced to a youth detention center.

Then he was shipped to a boarding school for troubled teens for nine months. Now, see, they give the whitewash ones here. The local Pennsylvania Articles late to class three times, posting a joke about the principal under her free speech. Red flag right there. Well, it's incredible. So he's saying that this CNN article is a whitewash and it's not. I have it here in front of me.

He just didn't scroll down far enough on the page because the article talks about a 15 year old named Hillary trans due. She was sent to a wilderness camp for mocking an assistant principal on her MySpace page. His judge also whisked 13 year old Shane Bly, who was accused of trespassing in a vacant building from his parents and confined him in a boot camp for two weekends. He sentenced Kurt Kroger, 17 years old, to detention in five months of boot camp for helping a friend steal DVDs from Walmart. Oh, so he's an asshole fucking judge.

This is a situation where in 2008 judges Michael Conahan and Mark Cia Varelli were accused of accused and found guilty of accepting money in return for imposing harsh injunctions on juveniles to increase occupancy at for-profit detention centers. What? Which is really kind of just a kid's bop version of the prison industry as a whole. Not saying that makes it okay, but the outrage you feel when it's being done to children should also apply when it's being done to adults. They received money from people in the private prison.

Private juvenile detention centers. Yeah, yeah. Boy, that sure is sociopathic and maybe we shouldn't allow psychopaths to be judged. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. That's all. Maybe we should have a psychopath test. Maybe John Ronson should interview every judge before they take office.

Yeah. So this one guy, Cia Varelli, sort of the main focus of this, they found that he and Conahan had taken illegal payments of nearly $1 million from the youth center and hid the money. What the fuck? So Cia Varelli was sentenced to 28 years in federal prison because there was a history. Not long enough. No, not at all. Not long enough.

No. And the other guy was sentenced to, I believe, 17 and a half years because he pled guilty. So the issue is that they did this to a lot of kids. Some estimates are up to like 5,000 or so. Oh, so they should be murdered. The death penalty is not nice enough to them. Yeah. So what they ended up doing because of finding out about this and the trials and everything

is that they just vacated all of the sentences that they had issued over a certain portion because it's the least you could do. Yeah. And then the victims' families sued and won a lot of money. Yeah, you're goddamn right. In a state of fucking whatever should be... You can't imagine the damage that was done. And one kid who was sentenced did end up committing suicide.

And so the idea of like, un... What's the right word? Un... You can't... Checked power? No, you can't undo it. That sort of thing. No.

Yeah. No matter what you give... Irreversible. Yeah, that's kind of what I was looking for. Yeah. The sort of damage that's just impossible to undo is there and it's very, very awful. Which is like what? How many people in Rikers Island who are waiting on like three years for a single fucking trial?

Like they're... The right to a fair and speedy trial is gone. Right. As it relates to adults, it's a real big problem. Yeah. Now, the phenomenon of incarcerating and institutionalizing children is not something that's new, nor is it something unique to this case in Pennsylvania. It's notable because there's such a clear quid pro quo where the judges clearly receive

payments to fill the private juvenile halls. God damn it. The issue, as it always is with Alex's narratives, comes down to race. According to the sentencing project, quote, nationally the youth rate of incarceration was 152 per 100,000. Black youth, youth placement rates, was 433 per 100,000 compared to a white youth placement rate of 86 per 100,000. Overall the racial disparity between black and white youth and custody increased 22%

since 2001. God damn it. Black youths are five times more likely to be incarcerated and this is just something that goes on in pretty much every state with no charismatic propagandist screaming about how it's a globalist attempt to break up the families. But Alex doesn't care about that. He cares about this case in Pennsylvania. And it may be because it's in the news and he's lazy and it's just an easy thing for

him to talk about, but I would suggest that there's something else that's more relevant to him, namely that this judge, the city he was in, Wilkes Barr, is 92.3% white. The county, Luzern County, 96.6% white. So this judge was doing it to white people and that's why it's an issue. And that might also be why he got in trouble, but it's also why Alex cares about it. As is always the case with Alex, he does not care about the problem at all until he feels it's hurting white people, at which point he screams bloody murder about it and never recognizes that the black activists that he actively ignores or straight up impunes have

been trying to draw attention to these same problems for years. In short, if I could submit this anyway, I would say Alex Jones is a gigantic flaming racist. Yup. So. No disagreements. Now, do you see the also America is a giant flaming racist. I don't disagree with that.

Yeah. But do you see how there are multiple narratives on this episode that he's going through that all intertwine with the same business line of like they're doing it to white people, whatever it is, the gun confiscation in Katrina, that's that same thing. This you know, kids being sent to detention centers because it's profitable. This is the same thing. He doesn't care until it affects his own. This is such a parallel to to right now.

Like the idea of people being angry, if that if a tape is released by a what's her face Omarosa, Omarosa, where where Trump says the N word, right? Right. Yeah, he's still it doesn't even fucking matter if he does or does not have an N word tape. He's the most racist. Sure. Because of shit like this, because of this kind of like obvious racism. And yet some like why people would give a shit if he says the N word is like, why would

you give a shit if somebody owned slaves, but never said the N word? They're owning slaves is the issue. I saw one interesting take on it, I guess, and you know, you hate to bring up takes. I don't like takes, but I don't remember who it was, but someone I saw posted argument that was along the lines of because the media is so fucking lazy and won't do their job, the idea that there is a tape like that were it to come out, they would then be forced to be like Trump is a racist. Yeah, like the media would then have to cover it that way because they're so reductive and

can only call someone racist if they hear them saying the N word. So like the idea is maybe it would force the media into a box where they couldn't do this dance around like, right, right? And Mark, that that's one benefit. But other than that, I agree with you, it doesn't matter at all. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Yeah. And all of this stuff is everything they do is fucking white nationalist.

And the cops in everywhere are an arm of the KKK, right? And like, what do you, what do you fucking need at this point? What do you feel? What more do you need? Right. And then again, to make it even more clear to what we talk about and the point of this show, the arguments that Alex has gotten worse. Yes, absolutely.

He's gotten worse. But this has always been there at least a decade of this has been like what he cares about is these is white. Yeah. They're going to do shit to white people narratives. So in this next clip, he says something irresponsible about family courts. Well, the courts aren't real. These family courts aren't constitutional.

We didn't have them till about 1920s. The few areas had them earlier and they were called racial hygiene courts. Slightly different. That's where the social services in the health department. It's all designed to kill you. Okay. See my film in game. I have the mainstream.

We did. Newsreel clips. Go back to our coverage of end game, want any more information about that. It's interesting now that Alex also, if you want to hear us eat pizza about four or five hours in, I think I cut most of that out. That's good. I think though that like now that Alex is wrapped up in family court, I'd love for them to play that in court.

It seems relevant. Yeah. Yeah. That one. That one. Maybe you could have put in there. Hey, Kelly, if you want to play that, maybe that one, you could have, look, you're you're not a lot of stuff isn't admissible, but God damn it.

If that is Mr. Jones, I understand you believe my primary function is to kill you. Yes. You can't play the tape. I'm going to have to call Dan Friesen to the stand. I'd like Austin to testify. Dan, you have brought a boombox because you are from the 80s apparently, but go ahead and play what you have to say. Click.

So in this next clip, Alex gets way off in the fantasy that I just think is gross. And I only kept in because I don't know why I kept this in honestly. A year in jail and then you read what happened to these kids. Some of them die in custody. Others come out totally mind blown. They hop them up. They're away from their parents. They're on Prozac Ritalin.

They start having seizures and they put them in a mental institution. Oh, then the cash really racks up. And after the kids done 18 years old, totally brain fried, shock therapy, they throw them out on the street and that's the people you laugh at that have the sign saying will work for food. Most of them aren't even winos. I've talked to them. They've been in mental institutions and I go, tell me your story.

Well, I was 12. I got in a fist fight and the guy was 32. Looks like he's 60. I'll do a documentary on these guys. And I got in a fight at the back of the school and then they put me in juvenile and started drugging me. I know I'm crazy. I deserve it.

They shock me over and over again. And then let me guess when you're right here, they let you go. Yeah, I've been on the street since then. That's your sickening degenerate government. So family court is to blame for all the homeless. And then also I'd like to say that the only reason he wants to make a documentary about these people is to use them as a prop. So what he is fucking saying is that capitalism when applied to the health care and justice

system is a fundamentally exploitative issue. So that maybe capitalism is the fucking problem. Maybe it's that everybody fucking makes money off of all of this shit and maybe it shouldn't be a fucking allowed. Why are you making my argument for me? It's frustrating. God damn it, you fucking idiot. At the same time, I don't think that what he's saying necessarily tracks one to one.

I don't think that victims of family court are necessarily to cause most of the homelessness in the country. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if you follow his fucking argument, every part of it is all about profit-driven outcomes. Right. Even if he is right. At the expense of humans.

Exactly. Even if he's right. Even if he's lying. Right or wrong, you're talking about a more important argument he's making. Exactly. Fucking insane. Why are people allowed to be existing like him? I don't know.

It's wild. You're so fucking stupid. Yep. And another person who's stupid is a caller that he gets here on the 24th. This caller calls in and lists off what he would describe as the big globalists. See if you see a name missing from this list. I think the Rockefellers, the Duponts, the Rothschilds, the Nobel's, the Royal Family in England, the Dutch Royal Family with Dutch Shell, the descendants of Armand Hammer, including

Al Gore, who's one of the biggest shareholders in the Occidental Petroleum, these companies, over the last 200 to the last 70 years have raped the world, caused these problems. And they've been able to profit handsomely by that. He's just, I mean, a lot of that is just an undead caller conspiracy talk, but no Soros in there, baby. So up to this point, still no mention of that guy is not, he's not in the, he's not in the game. Why don't they ever add, it's like even then he added in oil companies, like even tertiaryly

through Al Gore. Well, that's because it's like they're all literally raping the world at this. Well, because it's such a part of Alex's worldview, he's mirroring back a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, but you, if you even throw in one oil company, you have to admit that you threw in all the oil companies, like they're all fucking doing whatever it is you think the Rothschilds are doing. They're not talking about raping the world, the way you think of it.

They're just talking about economics and taxes. That's all they're talking about. I'm still, I'm still, yeah. All right. I agree. Fine. The bigger point is that Soros is not in the conversation and that's an important thing to check off the list.

When does he fucking show up? I mean, who knows? We'll find out. Who hates Soros the most? Vladimir Putin. Ah, hmm. But it's interesting and one of the things, if people, I've gotten some people who are like concerned that Alex being taken off the internet is going to somehow ruin our show

or something like that. Yeah, don't worry about it. Just assured, I have at least two years of episodes of this show on my external hard drive that I have not listened to. I've been front loading a lot of downloading. So we have plenty of stuff to go over because I need to know this. Yeah. In the same way that I needed to know what happened during the election for coming into

team Trump, I need to know when Soros happens. Yeah. That is something that I will not quit this show. Even if you turn into the next Alex Jones and leave the show, I will keep doing it on my own until I figure out when the fuck did he start hating George Soros? It does kind of seem like I could. The interesting thing about our show is that the only thing that keeps me in check is the fact that you actually do research.

If I were let loose on my own, I might just start claiming all kinds of shit. Yeah, that's true. You know me? I'm crazy. Yeah, that's true. I mean, the sky is the limit. Yeah. I have no, I have no qualms.

Most of it would probably sound more based in at least no, because you do the same thing. You just reference an article and you do the same at least I would read all of it though. Most of it. I would. Oh, okay. More than him. I would scan it. Right.

Do you hear what Glenn Greenwald said about some bullshit? Still better source than the Washington Times. That's true. So we have one more clip left. Again, much like that last one, that last clip was kind of just like I'm wrapping up the show here. We had to check in no Soros in the narratives yet. We get this, which I think is an interesting threefold revelation of where his head is

at. And it's a caller who's talking about how like, you know, again, reinforcing Alex's thoughts that he espoused earlier about how his time is now. You can't see him. His time is now. He's the John Cena of politics. Okay. All right.

So the caller is telling him like, you deserve to be the biggest foxes ripping you off. That sort of thing. Yeah. And it wouldn't be for another two years that Fox would start ripping him off. More than that. But we get to this, Alex says three things about support or non-support that are very interesting. Well, let me bring it to a crux for you because this is what I think it is.

If Fox has for years been following orders and beating the drums of war for a conflict with Iran. They have. And now with the assault by the real, it looks like that may be on the horizon. So if they now have fake or puppet news frontman like that painting these, you know, crazy real scenarios on Fox, like the Bubba effect alongside get to the retired CIA and military paid TV pun. Is that not an imminent sign of time to come in the very, very near future?

Yes. Speak of every day. We don't stand against this tyranny right now, you know, they're showing us what they're going to do. Well, that's what Michael Savage does. He says, I'm fighting the new world order and the new world order is Iran and Iraq. And they really do have WMDs. And now they're saying Iran has WMDs Ireland and I'm no fan of a lot of stuff Iran does.

But the point is the IEA is there. This is non weapons grade what they're making. And Israel admitted in Israeli papers last week, we read, we read it on air out of the papers that they're staging assassinations and bombings to try to stabilize Iran. That's an act of war. So in one sentence, in one fell swoop there, he hates Michael Savage or doesn't support Michael Savage thinks he's trying to get a war with Iran gone. He believes that Iran is within the confines of the IEA.

He right Pompeo's great. He doesn't think that everything they're doing is great, but he supports Iran and he believes that Israel is committing acts of war. So that's where we are. That's where his beliefs stand here at the end of February 24, 2009. I can't wait for this to change because it'll be meaningful. There's a lot of 180 degrees that is about to happen. Yeah.

Yeah. All of this. A lot of everything except the white shit. Everything is going to change. Everything except the white shit. The only thing that has stayed consistent is white supremacy. So I guess that's a, you know what, at least he can hang his head on that. He's a white supremacist and he's been so from the beginning.

Right. And like, and he's from Texas, who would have guessed? What a shock. Yeah. He's consistent about that if nothing else. Yeah. And I do mean nothing else. Nothing else.

Except for his shadowy fake group of enemies. He's very consistent about that too and that's fine. It's fascinating. I am fascinated by that concept. Like everything is negotiable except white supremacy. Like that's non-negotiable. That's the only thing you got. Well, that's what a lot of white supremacists think.

I know, but like that, but why? I want to understand that point of view where it's like, I have no beliefs other. I have no like central life lies other than whites are better than blacks. And so I will let everything go. I will play team sports forever. But if Trump was like, Hey, white supremacists are bad, which he only even kind of begrudgingly half said, which everybody already knew was a lie. The only thing that would be the only thing that would get people that support Trump off

the Trump train is him being like, I am going to make Martin Luther King, Jr. Day a week. Like that's it. I'm trying to process what you're saying. And I'm my mind is rattling around because I was thinking about like other issues that are negotiable to some extent and why it wouldn't really matter because thinking about things like, I don't know, welfare or something like that. And what I kept coming to in my head, like with whatever issue you want to talk about is that it's the same reason that I left philosophy as a major in college.

I was a philosophy major and then I started to take a bunch of logic classes and I loved the formality and concreteness of logic. You like math? Well, somewhat. The math of words. It's not even the math part about it that I liked. It's that it was definite. Like if you are, if you're willing a contradiction, then you can't do that.

There are rules to that. Yeah. Whereas in philosophy, in argument based philosophy, you could make an argument for genocide and I could make an argument against genocide and both of our arguments could be valid. Yeah, the only thing that you would be able to argue about is whether or not the premises are good. Like, do the premises that lead to the conclusion, does it make sense? And that's so subjective in terms of who's arguing, what's going on.

The only reason I bring this up is because that's the same feeling that I get about a lot of the issues outside of whiteness as rightness. All those other things. You could make an argument that supports white identity for or against welfare. You could create a public school system improvements argument based on white supremacy. You could do all of that. The only thing you can't do is make an argument for a pluralistic society full of acceptance. And that's why it's the only non-negotiable thing.

And it's reinforced by the idea that if we allow multiculturalism to creep into our society, what it's going to do is going to diminish the whiteness and make it impure or whatever. And to them, to those people who believe those things, that's something that can't be undone. And that's why they've so vociferously defend the idea of their whiteness. Because they're like, they're trying to come and take it away and eventually it'll be gone and we can't get it back because they believe it is superior. Dan, Dan, in 10 sentences, you just did the single best analysis that I have fucking heard.

Wow. It was off the cuff. No, I mean, I've read how many fucking life in Trump country articles have you fucking read? A bunch. Yeah, a million of them. And you just fucking in 10 sentences ruined all of their bullshit arguments. That's exactly what it fucking is.

That's brilliant. To be fair, the argument I was putting forth was also super vague because I'm not willing to come up with on the fly what the arguments for and against certain policies are, but it's very easy to imagine what they could be. No, that's, that's, look, you can, you could spend all the time you want writing those arguments, but the point is your, your analysis is correct. Thank you. And I won't do that.

But also, no better time to dismount than when I'm a genius. I do want to ask if there's any. So if I want to end the show early, I can just compliment you and then we'll just fucking go. If you have a hard out. Yeah. All right. Let's go.

Um, no, before we end, I would like to ask if you have any final thoughts, because I think you were mad a lot. I just wanted to make sure you got out whatever you needed to get out. I don't know. Like what the, the breadth of things that we talked about in three days in 2009 is I think shocking, giving the context that we live in in 2018. If we did three straight episodes of Alex now, all the same, it would be all the same. Everything like in 2000, in 2009, we got so many different bullshit things with all this.

It's all jazz though. It's variation. Yeah. The same theme. Yeah. But it's still at least like, Oh, you're tossing in homeschoolers. That's great. And then, but even then, like that homeschooler bullshit ties to drills and the drills then

ties to the Iowa National Guard National Guard and all of that stuff, the, the idea of confiscating guns ties to New Orleans ties to police oversight and all of that shit ties into his, uh, fucking, uh, uh, what is it? What is it? The, the, the private prison industry and all of that shit. Like this is good. I like this. This is like it's, it's bad.

It's evil, but it's good. It's like good radio. Well, you're responding to, I think, is that, um, he had better writers back then. He had better writers for staff or, or at least he was better because even, even as I was going over it, I wasn't like really focusing all that much on how intertwined a lot of these very different narratives are. Yeah. So yeah, it is interesting.

Um, I will say, I will say in fairness, I did cut out a lot of really repetitious stuff because there are just a bunch of times he's talking about the states putting forth their 10th amendment, right? Right. So there is a lot of that, but it's like, we can't, we, we don't have time to do that every day. No, I, I'm, I'm sure, but in, in terms of what you cut for us to follow, you, you have to agree that were you to listen to three straight episodes today, I never do that.

You would never be able to cut together these swath of things that we cut together in 2009. Nope. Not at all. Um, yeah. So that's my summation. That's my final, uh, uh, it's so much more fun. It's so much more fun. I'll be back in the past for a while.

I think so too. I think it's for the best. And if you want to know about Alex Jones stuff in the present, feel free to trust right wing watch and media matters to have you covered on that front or people tweeting stuff, whatever the outrage cycle that they're promoting at this point, it's really the only thing that's going on. Yeah. It's the need for a much deeper analysis of it, right?

And I, I, cause he's more shallow. And I think actually, you know, hurting him in the present, which I'm not, it's not my primary motivation, but I, I do want him to face some consequences for his, that's, that's your, your angle. Um, I think that the best way to do that is to unravel what's going on in the past. I think it's much more valuable. Um, so we'll see. Anyway, we have a website, knowledge fight.com.

We do. You can follow us on Twitter right now. Right. Correct. We're on Facebook. We are. Uh, you're going to join our group. Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.

Amen. Uh, which if you're new is a reference to, uh, Steve Pachanic. Exactly. Um, beyond that, we're on iTunes, uh, Blah, Jordan, it is your turn. Um, well, as much as I normally like to hate on anybody in, uh, uh, militaristic circumstance, uh, as, as you know, you know, I don't like the military. Right. You know, I'm not a fan of the arms complex.

I just don't understand where you're going with this. Well, I would have loved to say I hate a hap good and he can go fuck himself. Okay. But I can't, he seems like an all right guy. I thought you were going, I thought you were going the other direction. No, no, no, no. I, I don't, I don't, I don't want to tell him to go fuck himself. He seems like a good guy.

And he's done better shit than that. What, what have I, what have I donated some money to fucking standing rock? He went to fucking Puerto Rico and helped people out for real and Katrina. Yeah. Like the fuck. Yeah. That guy's great. Seems like it pending, uh, an investigation into whether or not he,

anyways, um, so I think the only answer is, uh, go fuck yourself. The entire New Orleans police department. Andy and chances you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.