Knowledge Fight - #201: A New Messiah and The Plunger Toss

Episode Date: September 5, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss an episode of Project Camelot where Sweary Kerry interviews a guy who claims to have worked for the Department of Defense in a top secret capacity, but seems to want to talk more about his very interesting career in show business. 

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Indeed, we are Dan. Hey there, Dan. What have you ever started a fire from from a bow drill? I don't even I'm first of all, I don't know what a bow drill is. It's a thing that you used to start a fire Mr. Mark Quartz Shop class sure in my middle school. Yeah, not did not not bow drill. Okay. Oh, are you talking about one of those things? Are you? Yeah, were you just like?

That's great. That's some great podcast acting out. It's not really a drill so much as a thing to make a fire out in the woods Yeah, I definitely tried. I'm sure I've never succeeded. All right. Have you ever made a fire with anything other than the lighter? Yeah Yeah, I mean I used to camp a lot. Did you yeah, how'd you make fires when you camped propane torch? Not a lighter not a lighter. Technically not a lighter. Fair it up. I think I've started real I know that I have but they've never been impressive. I've started little small fires with like flint Mm-hmm for sure But I've I don't think that I've ever been able to then transition that to a larger fire Okay, I got you know what I mean

You couldn't turn the hole into the like thing and you hold it in your hands and you blow on it and then generally I was drunk Very central Missouri time we're talking about that sounds about right for central Missouri Flame building if you started a fire with a barge or no I don't even like going outside. Come on. I've never started a fire. I gotta get into nature. My hell. No hell. No So this is a show where I preach the gospel of nature and know a lot about Alex Jones and you do not exactly before we get Today's show. I'd like to take a moment to give a shout out and a That's a weird that's a weird thing Well, the shout out is fine

But the way is about our last episode the shout out goes to my good friend Nikki gifts one of my best buds in the world He was listening to the episode and he contacted me and informed me that that story about Ron Paul Possibly being involved with the takeover of Dominica not true No, it was on an episode of the dollop and I didn't remember. Oh god damn it. I don't remember I don't know if we don't get to be there. Yeah, we don't get to do what are we gonna do this? Simpsons average the Simpsons did it first fine. Fuck off did it fuck off. So anyway, it's sorry if you guys have heard that from there Already, yeah, come on. The whole my favorite my favorite murder podcast is entirely about them Just reading shit that other people have done

I think we're fine there enough as long as we didn't miss it as long as if we didn't purposefully miss misattribute it Then I think we're good did not I just I you know feel self-conscious. It's irrelevant. Yeah, but I just I Thought like it was our due diligence to call that out. Yeah, I don't know man Weird American history intersects with a lot of the stuff that we end up talking about Oh Well, anyway, something that is not man. There you go way is our new donors perfect a shout out to a couple people who stepped in and Decided to support the show very exciting. I'd like to give first of all a shout out to Tiffany

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He said you need to take a vacation. Yeah, that sounds right. So tonight. We're taking a little vacation Here is an out of context drop from our vacation. Oh, I've been to jail. I've been to jail. I have no problem with any jail All right, fine Yeah, sweary carry Cassidy and project came a lot guys. We are back in business. Hey Oh, this is such a relief Yeah, although the out of context drop being a guy who's fine with going to jail and has been there before All of a sudden now I'm like, is this going to turn into one of those episodes where you did a ton of research and it's like This guy has killed nine people

It somehow got out on the technicality because he believes in too much space for them to commit him It almost was and I need to call this out ahead of time just in case anybody googles This and uh, you know, it's like, whoa, what the fuck they didn't talk about this um The guy we're going to be covering is a guy named ronald farham And I was looking into it and I found a dude named ronald farham who was arrested for child pornography That's not good. And I don't want to I don't want that to be our dude. I was like, oh this this ruins all the fun here Yeah, yeah, it turns out is what from what I understand. I was reading about it in on a message board

It's a different dude different middle names Right ronald farham was off-planet at the time. No, no, no legit different dude So we can laugh because this guy the only time he's been arrested as far as I can tell Is in 2016 on august 31st ronald farham was arrested in augusta, georgia when security guards told him to stop selling cds on augusta mall property Quote according to a richmond county police report. He's got a great mixtape Is uh, does the police report remind you how great his mixtape is? It does not Okay, it does say that quote farham refused to leave and told the law enforcement that private property laws don't apply to him Because he's part of the people

That is a good reason so that's a good reason that's the only arrest I can find for him I don't know if you ended up going to prison for that Is the people a larger group or just the people? I'm sure he capitalizes it Whatever the case is. All right. All right. So I already told you, uh, this guy's name and uh, let's jump into carrie's introduction for him Hi, everyone. I'm carrie cassidy from carrie came a lot and uh, very happy to be here tonight So we've got a fascinating guest and his name is ronald russell farham And I think his family name is somewhat well known. So i'm gonna actually ask Good news everyone

I'm gonna bring him on the show here. Just if you stand by and uh, ronald, welcome Hey, carrie. How are you? Thanks for having me on. Um, I don't know how much I can answer about my My name my farham last name. The russell name is a little bit different. He doesn't really explain What I don't particularly What this though, I'm looking forward to making a lot of futurama references dan jordan This is gonna happen jordan. You can't get bogged down on him not explaining his name We have so much to get through You can't just say that but what did he even say nothing

Carrie reinterjects and directs russell russell is a little bit of a different story I don't know. I don't know a fine fine fine fine fine fine. Let's keep moving. Let's keep moving It's so inconsequential. Let's keep moving. So uh at this point, uh, you know, you probably want to know what he's doing on the show Especially given that like in the last couple months carrie's guests have been a janitor who's discovered a hyperspace drive Who else could have I've seen good will hunting three interviews with a racist uh pleiadian named eddie page Really, you can't find a racist anymore Except in space. Yeah, exactly. Uh, it's so like you're like, what is this guy's deal? What's he coming to the table with and thankfully uh to start this episode off ronald farham gives his own

Sort of bona fides his curriculum vitae. Okay his his resume I'll say ahead of time. I can't confirm or deny any of this, but I don't believe it Let's write down a list. Um, I you know, I I know it's kind of wide ranging your background So can we can we start out with uh, your Your your your stint your uh, I think is it 15 years in the department of defense? Yeah, in 93 I went into the army as a signals intelligence analyst and a korean linguist and I went through all the training I went to a language school up in monoray at defense language institute in monoray for a couple of years studied korean

And then I went to signals intelligence school and then I went to korea and then I went to ford gordon In korea, I basically was doing briefings in korean and technical briefings and then um That was while I was still in active duty I became a sergeant over there in korea and then I came back to the states and I went to ford gordon for a year and I worked in the gcc tk Which is it's a facility where we monitored

Korea x-director my area's ability because I was korean linguist And I went to central command and I worked in the signals intelligence overhead collection management office for about three years Up until 2001 in fact my last day on active duty was fridays number seven 2001 Four days before 9 11 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, are you concocting a theory? I don't know He has told us a lot about where he was all the way up until 9 11 It's true

It's kind of suspicious that he leaves out where he was on 9 11, man. Very weird very suspicious So I I think that's real dry and he's just giving the names of stuff I can't even find some of these things like if you google them like the cc gcc tk Yeah, I don't fucking know what that is. I don't care. Wasn't that a great, uh, canadian sitcom. Yes, absolutely It came on after black books Hey, that's a great fucking show calm down. That's a great fucking dillon mourn fantastic. No, he's not we saw him live All right, he wasn't at his best um

Nothing against the man But um, so the only reason that I want to play that and i'm going to play another clip where he's describing his resume Is because it's interesting to hear the effect in his voice He's talking about this so dispassionately and almost just sort of like laying out names of places and then like two years I was there blah blah blah blah blah blah There's nothing in uh, there's nothing in it that indicates like he's drawing from memories Right, it's almost like he's memorized a bunch of stuff and he's just kind of reciting it Yeah, you know like the way that you memorize your uh, your

bio all the time and you say it repeatedly to anyone who will ever listen to the point where you have it down as a Wrote speech. I am the thing that we all do right. I worked at starbucks two month. Yeah Yeah, easy. Yeah, I I think that there's something to that and I wish at any point Kerry would have just said anything to him in korean just to see like I know I the first thing he said I was like I learned korean. I was like fucking prove it. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck you. You're on a project camilla I don't believe god damn word. There was a great episode of love line where a caller had like that sort of hillbilly voice He had that twang Uh, and he was talking about like how he knew russian or something like that

Sure, and I don't remember who the guest was it might have been isai moralis and uh, so the uh, The caller's talking about like a knowing russian and then isai moralis just starts talking to him in russian And the guy straight up does know russian. Oh, shit. They started having a conversation like a hillbilly. That's awesome An actor that is great. Yeah, it was awesome. I love that It was such a good moment that I remember it 20 years. Yeah. No, well, but you never expect great radio You never expect the hillbilly. Yeah, anytime a hillbilly demonstrates some sort of talent beyond what a hillbilly should Everybody's like, holy shit. This is a magic hillbilly, and I would have had the same moment had he busted out some korean at any point Yeah, of course. I guess you do know korean

But so far I cannot prove that he does but from that resume, like I said, there's a there does seem to be a Memorization part of the brain triggering in does feel that way from the way he's speaking and then beyond that From what he's describing. I could just say like Maybe you were a translator for something And then you're putting on a bunch of things in your resume that you know that no one will say no you didn't Yeah, because these departments that he's describing like the department department defense is never going to be like This guy is lying about working here Because then every time someone came out and said that they worked there that have to either

Deny it or that would prove that they did work exactly It's a game that they'd never get into that blows any kind of secrecy So his his entire so he's counting this is working for the department of defense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I mean it sounds more like he just worked As a low-level translator. He was doing briefings I mean, but it sounds more likely he was translating briefings There's a good chance about that and that would probably necessitate some level of clearance Well, yeah, I mean you got to be able to talk. Sure. Sure. So there's

There's an outside possibility. He had some sort of low-level clearance and then he's turned it into Something else and then after years of service, uh, he took the test to become a Sergeant they they all like did and he got a promotion and that's great And then he left right before 9 11. But so that's not the end of his service. Oh, it's not no Because after 9 11, 9 11 brought him back in. He has some more resume to go over. Oh boy And then I became a contractor for about six years and I worked right after 9 11 in washington dc working on um A critical node mapping it was I was working for a company called gray hawk

I looked into this. I can only find a construction advising company on the east coast called gray hawk I don't know what he's talking about but and he called it critical node mapping. Right, right That actually does sound so like something that a construction company would be interested in knowing You know, like you want to know where nodes are before you start building Pick on a national left. Yeah, you want to know where nodes are? I don't know. Come on gray hawk and They were basically working for cia effort to map all of the critical nodes in the united states Because we had just come out of 9 11 avoid the note everybody was thinking security

We wanted to um, they were making a huge spreadsheet on all the areas that we needed to keep An eye on and protected from terrorist attack The note and then after that I went down to southern command for a couple of years and I was a counterterrorism analyst My area of responsibility was mexico Why central america and then and south america and funny enough during my time at southern command Northern command stood up What? North hold on north com stood up a hold on right hold on is he setting up a

A climactic battle between northern command and southern command. I don't know. I don't know what's coming man We're just listening to this because I feel like what I'm hearing in our future is a command civil war of some sort I assume northern command wears the blue sure and southern command which put him in charge of counterintelligence for South america and mexico and the surrounding area On account of that he speaks korean what What I don't know why Look, oh, where are these nodes at too?

Give me some node information. You can't know they're too critical to be public information So, I mean look the the the thing here is that he's just following basically online conspiracy world Narratives is like north com was created in 2002 And so the idea that he's saying like they stood up Is what like a lot of the people like the alex jones's of the world They build that into their conspiracy world view of like they were it's part of a takeover Right, which you'll get to in this next clip, but the south com will rise again though They do think man. They might

So you the language they stood up. Yeah, that's what i'm interested in well thankfully kerry finally asks a rebuttal question About that very thing the fuck you say Man has an area of responsibility and every man has a j2 And so northern command stood up in their area of responsibility in 2003 2000 late 2002 There when they stood up, um was canada united states and mexico Just want to ask you a question. What does stood up mean? It means they opened up for business northern command Hadn't really been open for business yet and they were taking on their area of responsibility

So around to end of 2002 when northern command opened up for business and became a command The united states of america officially physically invaded the united states with northern command so They opened up for business they opened up for business is like with a storefront operation. Did they start small and then expand No, they're like a soft open. They had a soft. Well, that's good. You don't want to yeah Get everyone acquainted to the idea that this business is coming to their neighborhood I hired a couple of chefs and then they invaded the united states. They did what now So the united states basically invaded the united states through north com

Yes, in the same way that the united states had previously in 1963 invaded the united states when southern command Right started. I don't fucking know man This is just what this is this guy is espousing essentially very baseline patriot community How old is he? He doesn't sound like he's old enough 49. He's 49. Yeah, all right. All right. I know that because he says he's 49 Boy, does he tell a bit of his life story? We're getting a bit into the weeds of his uh resume, which I think is really unimportant. Yeah, I'm really just laying this out because Most of this is completely unfalsifiable

Like I said, no one's good. No one from north com is going to be like fuck you. You didn't work your douche I don't they have a long-standing rival is like isn't uh every year Don't they play the uh north com south com football game the army navy game? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, isn't that uh, isn't that a big one? It's shirts and skins though So You would think blue and gray somehow you would think south com has gray skin You would think my friend if this guy was supposedly a contractor Uh doing high-level terrorism analysis, right for because he speaks korean for central command

And then it was brought in to north northern command, which he was he says he's around when that was happening When he stood up and opened for business, right? You would think you'd know something about the structure of it You would think uh, oh And so we physically are be We are invaded by the department of defense here in the united states. Okay. Wait, wait, wait slow down Okay, so who does uh, who did you all report to if northern command took over who was head of that login Northern command is headquartered in um, um, colorado chiefs joint chiefs. Are we talking joint chiefs?

Hmm Well, all of the commands, uh work together Um, so they all so how could one of them the head of the department of defense the joint chiefs staff the president of the united state Do you know who you were who was the top guy when you were there under? Do you know who was the northern commands top guy? No, I I don't know who the northern command top guy was The general was I know my general was general zinny General zinny. That's a guy who was in charge of satcom

Uh around then but he was also like He was directly involved overseas and stuff. He wasn't around if if he was reporting directly to general zinny. Yeah He is someone who would have gone before congress Because general zinny had to testify in front of congress about like the justification for the iraq war and stuff like right right All right, and we all know he did a great job I don't know. I did my research didn't go too deep into all of his exact involvement Um, but general zinny big dude, uh, big a big name in military circles So the idea that he was like he was my, uh, direct supervisor or is my general

I think you'd probably fucking know who's in charge of north com wouldn't you just On any reputable show you'd have been like All right, dude click and then just hung up and she's but she's doing everything she can to be like Give me something give me something man. Is was it the joints? Was it joint chiefs? No, no, no, okay Was the secretary of state? What do you got? Who's in charge of this ball game? Who the fuck do do you even know who the fucking president was when this happened? God damn it man. Good like real talk When I was 1516 working at a movie theater

I knew who the ceo of our company was the district manager was over our company. Yeah, absolutely Even though they didn't have any like uh influence in my life at all. Yeah, absolutely I don't remember the district manager's name now, but uh, the the ceo is named bob goodrich bob good Well, that's hard to forget. It was good rich theaters too because you want to drive over him with your good rich tires And he showed up one time, uh, he was a lunatic. I think that also probably helped Yeah, that's my mind, but I knew who he was even before he ever showed up at our theater That was like a couple of years into me working there. My point is that if you are higher up in cent com And uh, you uh, then get absorbed absorbed or taken over by north com

You're gonna fucking know who the guy in charge of north com is you might even resent him a little bit for taking over Especially if you think that that's what happened and you already definitely resent the organization You'd probably have a figure head. You might almost have something stuck in your crawl over it or a picture of him on the wall Yeah, exactly something silly like that. So I don't believe a lot of this story I'm gonna go out on a limb. I'm gonna say it was hillary. Mm. Yep. Hillary took over north com Could be why doesn't anybody just ask me dumb questions like this might as well. Just throw me in there. So, um I do want to say that I don't believe any of ronald farnham's story so far, but Credit where credit's due in this next clip

He blows 9 11 wide open. All right. There we go. He solves 9 11. All right. Uh, and here's what happened So I started diving into that information and I found that all of the information from september 8th to the 13th Had been scrubbed So real quick. This is him talking about when he had come back as a contractor, right? Of course. So now he's looking at top secret material that he has no business looking through right? He is telling the truth. He is admitting to a felony on this show And

I'm discussing it is a felony we can either confirm nor deny that it would be a felony were he to reveal this information On project camo. I'm pretty sure it's a hard felony. Can't confirm or deny that There was nothing in there. I could find about what was going on the few days before and a few days after What was going on in korea? I think you can find that out So it kind of told me that they they might have reclassified it, but yeah, you know, that would be My theory would be that that's on a very strict need to know basis So low level contractors can't get access to that information and tell kerry cassidy about it I would say that's probably a good thing pretty wise of the government. Hold on. Let's put that in another box

I'ma go with uh Nah, dude, you don't get the hey If I'm the government, right all I'm thinking is after 9 11 You know, you have a couple of days to think about it and you're like, I bet if we give every yahoo In access to this information, we're gonna get a lot of conspiracy theories out of it. Oh boy Now little did they know that shit was going down anyways, right? They're pro their biggest problem though was that they did 9 11 and you can't hide that forever. No, no you can classify all the documents you want, but those

Burns, what's the theory the burns? There's burns side burns. Yeah burn sides Especially when 17 years later one of the smartest detectives ever shows up on project camalot Does he speak korean though? We can't confirm or deny that for sure what What I discovered in looking at that even up to you know, september 7th and september 6th was that everybody who was involved in the Alleged plot by the terrorists these terrorists who allegedly carried everything out was that everybody was under under surveillance And at the time I was classmates with two of the people two of the Terrorists hijackers what st leo university on mcdill air force base

On the base there was a st leo university campus there I would go to class at night because I was going to finish up my bachelor's degree and around 2000 I finished it up and so real quick name names second uh, he doesn't uh, oh he doesn't third That's a surprise now. He's buried the lead and we are supposed to believe that he had high level top secret clearance And was a high level korean translator And got hired as a contractor to do counterintelligence work and all this stuff And he didn't have a bachelor's degree, which I know is not impossible, but I find very unlikely I think it's very unlikely dan

This is look He's got street smarts true Does he no There were code words used in the reporting And they referred to going to get married And that was what was in the reporting that the the terrorists who were passing information Making communications were using the code term Getting married referring to oh we're off to get married. Everybody's leaving to get married. We're and that was the

Code word they were using And then mazel after 9 11 I kind of looked back at some of the these two classmates and they were using the same language Around the same time we would stand outside class wait for to go into our next class We would have a break and we would talk and they were telling me how they were going to get married but they wouldn't give me any details and I didn't really think of anything of it. I thought they were just being goofy middle eastern guys who were just

A little inside joke What and there was the farthest thing from my mind that that was a code term for the 9 11 operation I'd like to offer a offer a second theory Were they getting married? I think that there's a very high likelihood that these were not the The terrorists through uh the 9 11 or anything like that He just was in a class with a couple of middle eastern dudes and yeah They were probably talking about getting married and uh, they didn't want him to come

Because he's weird. Yeah, I'm guessing that that is as likely as this But but even then with this story, he was like I started thinking about it 10 years later, right So even by project camelot standards, that's weak sauce. It's you know, what what do you mean? Now you're just flashbacking conversations. You had 10 years ago with random strangers middle eastern guys giggled when they talked about getting married Yeah, what are you talking about dude? Yeah weak come up with some sort of is you shouldn't you should have been like a You know, I have a photographic memory so I can do this this whole thing Uh, you know, I can pull it right away. Otherwise. We're getting into Unreliable narrator territory here. Oh, we're there. We're deep into that

Uh, no, I trusted it up until this point. Well, him saying he has a photographic memory and can call all this back That would be a bit of a brag. Certainly. That'd be uh, something he's Well, if there is one thing we know about him so far, it's how modest he is very modest And that ends in this next clip He explains why his time as a contractor ended and uh boy, I don't If there's ever been a fish story It is this The national security agency emailed me

And a few other analysts on an email about a specific terrorist problem And they asked if I could give feedback or solution or what my thoughts were So I put together a point by point plan on how to Stop terrorist activity Across earth forever. You would not have to worry about any more terrorist activity period very simple solution And the demolished board day And I sent it right to the national security agency the next day

I got called into my commander's office And they pulled the email out and they said did you send this to the national security agency? And I said yes, you know, they wanted information. They wanted a solution You know, I thought this was the best I could come up with and you know, and they said, okay And so I left and then the next day they wanted to pull me off of my contract Wow, so I talked to my so I talked to my um Come my manager my contract my uh contract manager. That's not military. I asked if I could resign because you know I didn't really feel like I did anything wrong. I just solved worldwide terrorism and they got a fire in for it

I know that's rough the damnedest thing now admittedly the Tenor of that conversation when you go back and look at the transcripts, which I do have access to And I have a photographic memory so I can tell you pull it right right right. I can't wait to hear this Okay, so the guy says, um, did you write this email and send it to the national security agency? And you know Farnham, of course says yes, and then he said, um You know ants can't run the world, right? Well, hold on Hold on You don't know about my ant rate

And then the next day they threaten to pull him off his contract. That's crazy. I don't know why you know what else is crazy He never explains what his plan is It seems like now would be a great time to share it anytime with everyone any time would be great You should just email it to anybody It's not like because you came up with the idea and sent it to the nsa that now it's classified classified just fucking come out with an email So actually I think I've uh as alex jones would like to say uh reverse engineered what his plan is Okay, but I'm going to have to leave that for later

Okay, uh to tell you what I think possibly is how he would end worldwide terrorism point by point though Like let's there's one point. Did he have a bullet list? Nope one point. Okay. This is a very simple solution. Oh boy Are we gonna get into genocide? Don't even guess are we gonna get in it? No, it's not that bad It's dumb because I don't want him to kill all the ants stand. No no answer safe. Okay. Um, so he has this uh, this Uh Supposition I guess that he can end worldwide terrorism with this plan. Yeah to which care. He's like hey man, you know They would do terrorism intentionally. That's the government

That's why they had to shut him down which leads to this They wanted me out of there So I told them I go fine I'm I'm gonna resign and then it's gonna be my mission To stop this madness because I know you guys don't really if you're not going to implement this solution I I just know that you don't really want to and I could tell by the way they were behaving that they don't really want to stop Terrorist activity you probably know as well as I do that. It's a it's an operation. It's a money-making machine Ah, well, it's it's also, uh, you know, it's it's the state. Uh, it's it's the coercive

Arm of the state trying to put fear into the people By creating false flags. Actually, I wasn't supposed to say that on my youtube channel. So Creating No, create you can't say it. So creating fs Wait, what? No, that doesn't no, you don't get away with it. So so she's not allowed to say false flags anymore I assume because she got the she got the oh, she's not even not allowed to do She got in trouble because she had people on who are very specifically calling specific people Crisis actors in a form of targeted harassment about particularly parkland and other shootings and tragedies

So she has contextualized that and turned it into i'm not allowed to say false flag on the show anymore Which I would say this episode pretty good, uh evidence that you can And even if you even if you literally weren't allowed to say false flag on there anybody who's paying attention would be like Oh, you can't say ff either you idiot. It's the same thing if you mean false flag You can't just abbreviate it and then you're fine. No, no, no, no, no, you don't understand the government is trying to scare the public by follow friday Oh, no, I would never call them crisis actors, but they are ca's, you know what i'm saying? They've got a good talent agent

Do you know what I mean the government was trying to terrorize the people by putting out the fantastic four movie That is not that's not wrong. It's an interesting theory that i'm working on for my next book Yeah spoiler alert this guy's written some books. Oh, no What why so before we get why can't I finish a fucking book if this asshole can So before we get into that because this episode's gonna go off the rails real hard real fast Yeah, but before that happens Carrie wants to know like you were a contractor with top secret access You were clearly going through and like trying to find this information that you definitely

Outside the auspices of your job. Why the fuck aren't you snowdin? It's good question Why didn't you do anything like that? You had access to all the information. It's a good question You didn't become snowed in so how did that not happen kind of like you know what i'm saying Well, I started investigating Plus one for carry by the way the kennedy assassination really to find out who killed jfk And I started looking through the top secret messages that I could find in the intel database where I was working because I had a and this is while I was in korea. So this was 90 three 94

95 I was in korea Uh, I'm sorry. This is 97 98. I was in korea and I started going through the databases there and starting to sit through some of the intel Um top secret stuff that I could find in different databases to find out about the story for jfk And I found the cover story and it's the same cover story It was like a two page cover story about what happened and who was blamed and it was basically And it was the top secret document, but it pretty much was the same cover story so What I realized at that point that um, I wasn't going to get the true answers

Because from the military and from the top secret information because that's compartmentalized So he didn't become snowed in because all of the information you could get from toxic top secret files is just all fake anyway so So so convenient so his answer is um Well, I was in korea and uh had access to top secret information But uh, I was bored in my day job, you know, like most people would be So I just started looking into whether or not the government killed jfk Then I go through all their top secret files and for some reason even the government's top secret files

Say what the cover story is There's some sort of narrative consistency. They're even in their top secret files dan That means there can only be even more top secret files Top top secret files dan that tell you the true story. That's something of the um the implication of it Yeah, and then even beyond that that's his way of getting himself off the hook for not doing a data dump or anything like that He's like everything I found wasn't much anyway. Who knows which again I think is probably evidence that he's making this up Yeah, or that he didn't have the access that he's pretending to have

I think there's a pretty strong theory about that Now or that no matter what you say Even if you have access to the top secret documents themselves Conspiracy theorists gonna conspirize. Yeah, that's what's gonna happen. There's no convincing somebody like this dude That's what's gonna happen. But what's gonna happen right now? Yeah, is that everything is gonna go very wrong on this interview Everything is about to get so insane. Okay. I Would say that up till now. What are we like 36 37 minutes into the episode? Yeah, I think this has been kind of us just being like I don't believe your credentials

Yeah, you know, this doesn't make sense right and that's not good enough for a project Camelot episode If i'm digging in I need raptors or I need something of that level right and believe it or not ronald farham delivers. Okay When I resigned I immediately started writing my first book second coming of the messiah Which was an autobiographical in a sense of to as to how I I kind of had that reach that tipping point of Saying wait a second. This is wrong. Something is wrong. Something has to be done about this I'm not going to take this anymore I'm just going to start doing something about it and I'm not going to be part of this anymore

And so I took all of that emotion that I went through with that transition and poured it into this story which In the second coming messiah is really two books. It's a story about This person who decides to save the world and come up with a solution And then oh no action on it. Oh, no The first half is about leading up from where the bible ends to where we are now And or where the messiah And currently And the powers that be got to where they are because I really think the latest iteration of just say it

Beast hops or adam wise hops You're the messiah. Come on. It's really Now and it seems some What like a cover story, but I think the bloodlines of thousands and millions of years before so this isn't This illuminati just didn't start over the past couple thousand years Two or three hundred years with the Rothschilds and the Bowers. I think it's been going on for Say I hate to do this to you because he's never going to say I am

He's described his book as the sequel to the bible He's the fucking messiah Yes, there it is There it is for fuck's sakes. Wait, wait, so It's his autobiography. He does describe it as autobiographical in a sense in a sense Well, and the first part is everything leading up to him finding out He's the messiah as I understand he made a movie of this as well and it's on amazon prime Oh, I can't afford that. I don't have that subscription even if it was free. You couldn't afford it

Not for that movie But like I as I understand and it might be the case in the book as well I didn't read the book, but I think that he puts himself in a character in the book But it's supposed to be him. Yeah, so it's like a female character who goes to hollywood It's gotta try and make a movie of her book which involves the new bible Or something along those lines it's Wild okay, so he clearly on at least some very real level thinks he's the messiah. Yeah, of course now

There's a possibility that he doesn't think that he's the son of god per se He's just a messiah I think that he might be using the term messiah to be like I'm going to save the world which is what he uh, which he sort of expressed in that last clip Yeah, which I think feeds into his solution for worldwide terrorism, right? Everybody do what he says which again, we'll get to in a little bit and I will say not to be a tease bad plan real bad So why is the if he is right? Why can't he be more interesting? This is that was the most boring?

I've ever heard a person talk ever incredibly boring also spoiler alert. I found his twitter. Yeah, he has exactly one like or retweet I Over many many Since april 21st 2018 okay, so it's been a good five months one like one like zero retweets All right, or I think one retweet also It's going to be it's going to be tough to be the messiah when uh with that low of a social media presence

You need SEO you need engagement baby. Yeah, come on. I mean I feel bad about how little Attraction we get and I feel great compared to the messiah So knowledge fight we're a little bit better than the messiah. We could we could pull a Beatles here We get more retweets than the messiah So Jordan that's his first book that he started writing in 2006 when he left top secret work published but kerry brings up here because she is aware from reading his bio that He's got a new book. He's working on. Oh, yeah

You're actually aren't you writing a book on bloodlines right now another book? Well, all of my screenplays that I write I turn into books What I'm writing the screenplay and and developing it right now. It's called the lines of destiny And it's about the 13 major bloodlines who are controlling the physical domain Who are also being controlled by the archons who are controlling them Vibrationally with with um demonology satanism. Sure sacrifices ceremonies energy. Um It's a laundry list. I want to pause here. He's not done. He's gonna talk a little more about this book His work is specifically nonfiction to him. Yeah, this is real to him

This isn't like some sort of sci-fi book that he's he's like I came up with the greatest plot Isn't this wild and fantastical? No He's talking about he does believe in these 13 bloodlines that are psychically controlling the world and shit like that So I don't know the 13 bloodlines are controlling the physical world Right, right. They themselves are of course being controlled by the demonologists the satanists What are the archons again? Those are like angelic beings, but they're probably nefarious and evil David ike talks about the archons a bit. Sure. I think they have come up on another uh project cam lot episode that we've done um

I feel like there's probably anti-semitism in the history of archons. Sounds right. I'm not sure about it right now But it's safe to assume. Yeah the ability to shift in and out of vibrations and so these group of bloodline members who are assassins for the different bloodlines Decide to make a break from all of them because what's happened is that This is the plot of the comic book is 100 bullets all of the timelines And cern is giving information to the different bloodlines Sure bloodlines want certain timelines to manifest, of course, so they're sending out orders to there's different

You know assassins in their bloodline to go kill People and and cause things to happen so that They can shift into the timeline that they want and it's causing a lot of different mandala effects for different people within the story so Well, that sounds like a cool cool story now you Cool story Cool I will say that I thought I thought the giggle that we got from kary earlier was going to be fun

But now that we're getting into her full on being like you're full of shit, dude I think kary is not having a good time. No, she's bummed out by this So you got confused there at the end. Why what what was so do you not understand the mandala effect? No, no, no, I just don't understand how he thinks that makes any sense That makes perfect sense. No, I mean if they can if they can move between vibrations Cern and all so why do you need cern to divine? which Uh timelines are best for you if you can move between all timelines

Whenever you want because cern and all timelines are simultaneously occurring Cern is a big spooky machine that exists in the real world and it dumb people are afraid of it Yeah, so it gives it lends you like a little bit of you know, like Magical realism magical realism. There you go. And that's what you can do when you include Cern in here you can sort of hide behind like oh, yeah, what if it is what if it is causing people Assassins to go create mandala effects all over the place Of course the only one that most people know about is the berenstein bears I'm not sure what the what the illuminati gains from changing the spelling of a children's book. No, don't worry about it

What do you mean? I mean they gain a lot from it. Wow. You don't want to worry about it. Okay. I I won't you would well now you should I'm worried because you're worried about it I'm not really that worried about it. I'm confused the berenstein bears are berenstein bears. What's yep. Hmm. So it's actually spelled That's kind of anti-semitic isn't it berenstein? Maybe that's why they had to send a vatican assassin down there to kill him I don't know man, so You heard at the beginning of that clip my dude that uh, this guy likes to write books that are his screenplays

Uh, because he wants to inject some sort of like real shit into movies because these are like movies for entertainment, right? Isn't the other mandala effect that uh, uh What was it sin bad was in because I am no shazam. I believe right right. Yeah, there's a there's a Second movie. Yeah, everyone has forgotten. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a bunch of them Some of them were kind of fun because they're like they do tickle a little part of your brain. It's like I kind of remember No, I don't You just get it But at this point carry is like

I know you are not famous No, but I need you are the messiah. I need to know Have you actually been in show business? Because he's presenting himself as like I've made movies. He writes screenplays. I write screenplays He doesn't write books. He writes screenplays and then turns them into books because of course nobody is going to well But then because if he wrote the book first, he wouldn't be uh, up for the best original screenplay off That's true. He's thinking he's always got to be up for a best adapted and that's that's just lame. Yeah No, no, no, no, no. So carry asks are you really in show business and he gives

I would say the worst answer I've ever heard from anybody Can you elaborate on how you kind of are you in the business? Seriously, or are you a side liner? What where are you at? I am I've gone in and come out and now I've got my niche So I moved to la in 2011 and started doing extra work and in like hundreds of movies and tv shows And finally I got my sad card and joined the screen actors build and it cost like three thousand dollars to join

But I joined the screen actors guild. So I'm a paid up member of the screen actors guild We'll keep going here with his story But I want to stop there really quick to point out the difference in affect of him telling this story And his story about the time he spent in top secret work. He's engaged in this story. He's remembering Oh, I had to pay three thousand dollars to get my sad card after I did all that fucking extra work It was a huge pain in the ass. I had to go stand around hundreds So he's that's his brain the part of his memory that actually has emotional attachment to it Coming out and bringing in extraneous pieces of information because that's how human brains work

The rest of it is memorization that he's used to give some sort of credibility to the other parts of his narratives I just want to point that out very clearly And when I and then I decided I wasn't really going to try and go the round where I wanted to become a star where I was going to get an agent Lame I mean I had agents anybody could do that. I was doing well in commercial spokesperson for different products I was doing commercials. I was getting paid to do voiceovers and I was here in this floor And so I moved to la and wanted to take it to the next step And then I realized that I could actually

I just had this charisma that I can get people together and I can produce and direct and write and and file the paperwork for sad So that's what I did and I decided and I hadn't heard that In hollywood that you don't want to try and if you're going to write something you're writing for entertainment You don't want to try and give like, you know your opinion. You want to just write it's all about entertainment You don't want to really have some kind of a strong voice and I thought that's stupid If i'm going to waste all of my time or spend all of my time I think the one of the top grossing movies of all time is avatar. That's a very preachy ass movie Hmm to create something that i'm passionate about I want to be able to retain my voice so

I decided to Bring out the messiah character and I wrote the movie hollywood and vine About this woman who wants to take down the global military industrial complex. She comes from the pentagon She goes to hollywood with her book the sequel to the bible that she wrote second coming of the messiah So his book is in the movie. Yeah, the character comes from the pentagon department of defense Right goes to hollywood It makes a movie much like he has done And is the messiah

So again, just driving that home. Gotcha. He very clearly thinks he's the messiah. He thinks he's the messiah and has written the sequel to the bible That's uh And the sequel to the bible is just the second coming of the messiah it suffered from the sophomore slump Wasn't that in the regular bible though? The second yeah, it was in the second part of it the new part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what would you and then you've got the It's kind of a third bible. Then you've got the uh, the lds Sure You got the golden you got the golden tablets epigrapha. Yeah, you got the bible and forgotten books of eden, right?

All right, and then you got the mastic scriptures. You have uh lord of the rings the return of the king. You do. Yes. Yes. Yes That one's in there. Uh-huh You got Wait, then you've got the prequels of course sure jar jar banks. You have other religious texts. Yeah. Yeah, you got sumer So Oh, man, this guy is A little bit late dan. Yeah, he's a little bit behind late isn't the word I would use But like look, okay, so yeah, we're we're clowning on him for like being an extra and you know

It's there's no shame at being an extra. No, no. No, we're not clowning on him for that I'm a little bit. Okay. There's no shame in being an extra if you like just want to do it to have fun Or you know, if you want to try and see what it's like to be on a movie set that sort of thing I think that there's very valid reasons to do it. I think it's something that you need 20 bucks I think that it's something that most people in entertainment don't see as a viable path towards beginning Further in entertainment. Maybe just a little something you do as like the way I sell blood Yeah, just a little thing to I don't think this is going to make me a phlebotomist. No I have a I have time and I need money

They have money and they need people who have time He's expressing sort of like until he decided I I'm not going to become a star But before that he clearly thought like I'm going to go there and I'm going to be so great at being an extra I'm going to get a line and then from there. It's going to be great I'm going to be awesome. I'm going to get voice over. What's this filmography? Did you even IMDb him? I just he is on IMDb. I'll pull it up in a second. Okay, but I think it's mostly His movies and this So I did that movie and then I performed I performed on net live tv on america's got talent

I performed on Guinness World Records gone wild. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Yeah for real, right, kary I'm with you on this one. I think you're a drummer. Is that right? Okay I have been a drummer. I was a drummer in some bands when I was uh earlier in the military and when I was in high school but I actually was just um Cruising craigslist one night and I saw this ad for a cat a talent casting director Wanted to know if you could do any of these different things and I played college baseball and I still play baseball As a pitcher and one of those things was throwing the Messiah was a pitcher. So I thought oh, I can do that

I'm a pitcher. I could throw plungers. So I made an audition video like that night And then I sent it to them World records go wild saying that I could break the Record the world record for hitting the most number of people in one minute with the plungers So they had me on their show twice So we're not done with this but you look like you have something on your tongue So then on the tip of the tongue that needs to come out the mouth He threw plungers at people because he played baseball

It's a logical logical use of that talent I would say that the range of the locomotion of throwing a baseball not the same as throwing a plunger I mean, I don't know you throw a good curveball. You throw a good plunger. That's an old saying you're not trying to curve that No, yeah, but it's the same. It's the same. He has you got to go over the top, dan You got to make sure that you throw the plunger. I would say I would wait Does the pleasure have to stick to somebody you have to stick it in their back I would say that a better thing to That give you credibility as a plunger thrower is I've thrown axes or something like that or I am the messiah

That seems like that would apply across a wide range of skills. So he was on america's got talent He was on it was on the show the Guinness book of world records. You can find these videos. They are on youtube. So our messiah Who is going to lead the world from the the thousand years of torment that we have existed in to the next 10,000 of uh, Holy bliss. Yes He was he's really good at throwing plungers. Turns out he wasn't that good What do you mean he failed? But he's the fucking messiah God turn it. Oh man, even jesus blew it a few times. Yeah kill that kid

Yeah, well that was uh, he was a kid at the time. Hey, what are you gonna do? This guy's this guy's a mere babe in the eyes of the lord. It was weird that story Where jesus threw a plunger threw a kid's back. Yeah, that was great He was trying to break the record which at the time was zero because plungers didn't exist. That's in the book of tobit. Oh So, uh, this isn't done. He did some more television On Guinness World Records gone wild and then america's got talent saw me and they emailed me And they were like, hey, do you want to come do that on america's got talent? So I thought yeah, why not because I had covered the book with um

Someone who hired me to write a book and it fell into the niche of howard stern So we thought if we could get the book of howard stern that would be help us to get financing and maybe we could get on his radio show So, you know in hollywood kind of one thing leads to another So I accepted my friend flew out that I wrote the book with from pennsylvania. We were on america's got talent I gave howard stern a copy of my book or our book and then I threw plungers and I failed miserably Oh, my god, you know, it was interesting. It was all part of that crazy journey in hollywood Okay, but uh That's the right response. Yeah

Oh, no, so I had you on to talk about um Your special blowing of you department of defense stuff. I guess I guess jfk I would say 9 11 was your buddies and you throw plungers now. I would say uh The larger part of this show is him talking about his show biz ambitions It has very little to do with him blowing any whistles Or really even talking about any specific thing he learned at the department of defense. What is he even doing?

He's trying to get funding for his fucking movie. Oh, that's his goal. This is this. Oh god Oh, we'll get to that in a little bit. Oh farnsworth. Come on. Farnham pt. Farnham So, uh, this this ronald bad ronald this dude, uh, so I don't know. I don't know how to talk about this because uh, it would seem to be Shitting on a group unnecessarily But they go on about a messiahs or actors or Uh, they go they go on a bit of a tangent about how he was homeless for a bit

And I feel like because we're making fun of him It might lead us down a road where we're making fun of homeless people unnecessarily and i'm uncomfortable with that I don't think that's what we do I know we don't but I don't I want to be I want to be sensitive and not mock him for being homeless And in fact if he were homeless insisting that he was the messiah I would have far more empathy for him than I do now that I know he is not homeless and still insisting He's the messiah and the other thing is that you'd have to listen to this entire long chunk of the show For me to really make the point to you that at no point does he actually describe being homeless

He talks about living in a friend's kitchen for a little while. Hmm, which is not ideal circumstances But it's something that a struggling actor might do right my point is that I don't want to make fun of him for being homeless But I do want to make fun of him for what he says in this next clip I was shooting on some tv show and I met a guy who was working as a bartender behind me on the tv show And I was like man It's costing me so much in catering for my stuff my movie and he's like i'm a caterer So I hired him to cater for me and then he let me move into his garage for like four fifty a month

But I only stayed there for a month. It was in east l.a. And I just didn't feel welcome in east l.a. Wait, wait, what just happened there? He's a racist How do you throw that on top of everything the messiah you're a shit messiah messiah does not like traditionally This is a bad messiah. It's not great. This is a shit messiah. I'm pissed. I would like a better messiah Yeah, can we can we do a redo on this one? So that's when he ends up moving It's like when you try to do the capture and you get it wrong the first time you just reshuffle man Give it another go. I didn't want to live in east l.a. So I chose to Become god, I guess

So that's a bummer But also par for the course now that we have eddie page and the project came along world Not too surprising to see one of these guys express discomfort with minorities who would guest. Yeah, so uh in this Boy, we've already reached it. We have reached the solution Okay, cool This clip After the racist part though now I feel like he's gonna call it the final solution and I have problems with that

It's not it's just you refer This clip starts with him saying I was looking into the solution got it There's not much before it that helps make it make sense 9 11. No, okay 9 11's not involved Jordan. Yes Like okay, so this guy is saying that he's the messiah and that he was uh extra and he's trying to make this Autobiographical movie about someone who's written a sequel to the bible That still wouldn't be enough for me to do this episode. That would be like Maybe that's a mini mini-soad or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. We've had messiahs before but then he gets to the solution

Okay Man-o-man This is bad I mean not bad when I say bad it always sounds like it's gonna be monstrous I just mean this is dumb. This is okay. Really. It's just a bad solution bad plan. Okay I've been looking for the solution developing the solution writing it down. We can see different parts to it throw One of the things that's a part of it is the promissory note and so Before I ran into michael telinger's video about the promissory note

I started looking at how to accept for value bills because I had been doing research about how our Body is really our vessel that carries our soul around But the u.s. Of aid corporation has turned everybody into a bonded commodity And we have an account that we can use and we can accept for value um debts and things like that

So I was looking at trying to bring down the government and say we need to get rid of the federal reserve system and The savior so he's a sovereign citizen on top of everything else the messiah is a sovereign citizen Yeah, hold on. Hold on it gets so much. Okay. All right the promissory We need to be able to accept for value all of our stuff And I was putting that into my reality show and I was writing it into scripts and as part of books and things like that So then I came across michael telinger and and his concept of the promissory note where he could pay off of his mortgage by Making his own promissory note

And what I learned from from doing the research based on on that video did you? Was that the federal reserve Is a corporation and the united states of america's a corporation? and the united states Which is not the united states of america, but the united states is a series of countries that we all call states So you got the united states of america corporations is has a deal with the federal reserve corporation To force us to use the federal reserve corporations Commissory notes and that they're not dollar bill. I mean we call them dollar bills

So they are dollar bills what every country that uses the reserve notes calls them Whatever their currency is but really they're promissory notes They're this is the messiah we deserve though, right? So being i'm a corporation your corporation all the people listening everybody's corporation corporations unless you remove yourself From that whole situation Uncapitalized right as corporations to write your own promissory note Autograph it because i've learned also you don't want to sign things you want to autograph it So you autograph it bingo

More value to the bank sure the bank did it has to accept it Or they're committing the felony of misconduct in public office that sounds right in law and maritime law maritime law There it is acceptance and conditional acceptance So if you make an offer to a judge, let's say the judge is honorable in court Because they are answering of they're accepting or conditionally accepting your offers Sure, it's bargaining. No, it's a bargain. They're bargaining with you in their crank kangaroo court. All right, so I started submitting

Promissory notes sure the banks that I had credit with or yeah, how did it go? And I even started creating Dets that I had to pay so I could submit the promissory note. What bad play And I had an account with the space ghost credit union here in florid I want to be real quick. He's very bad at articulating. It's not space ghost credit union. Hey It's still crazy, but it kentucky shark has always been there, dad A shark on whiskey is mighty risky a shark on fear is a beer engineer It's still uh, how's moltar doing? It's doing all right. It's still nuts that there's there is a place

I looked this up called the space coast Uh credit union, right that is clearly who he uh is defaulting on I don't know where this is going there's another minute left Okay, you got to see how it plays out for it. Okay, okay All right, and I decided to write a two million dollar promissory note No Space ghost credit union for them to accept for value and deposit Now if I was committing fraud and and this was something that was punishable that I was doing and was fraudulent

And I didn't have this you know, I put together a nice template. I figured it out if I was committing fraud Then they would come knocking on my door and and I would face charges criminal charges of fraud I committed the promissory note to the credit union And they dishonored it and and they shut my account That she financial officer resigned probably coincidence to me And then I called the state attorney general of florida pan bondy who just met with donald trump when he came to mcdale air force base recently and gave a speech You know one of his speeches because he's on the reelection campaign

And I called I emailed pan bondy and I told her listen The space ghost credit union is committing misconduct in public office coast coast. They haven't accepted my Um promise story note. They shut my account down the chief financial officer resigned. How'd that go? I want you to take care of this. This is an issue This could free all living souls from financial slavery because we could all You know tender our promissory They would deposit these numbers into our account We would have for our two million dollars and then we could go spend federal reserve notes on the street

Email me back and she said I refused to discuss promissory notes with you And I even sent her the I had been committing a crime and this was fraud Somebody would have come to my door and said, hey, you know, you're you're under arrest for fraud so That's the solution Everybody write two million dollar promissory notes Autograph them. Don't sign them. Don't you dare sign them?

Give them to the bank and they'll put the numbers in your but I love that his end solution is still we get federal reserve notes to over I don't know what this Okay, I think this is the first time that we've legitimately had karry Bring somebody on her show So she could laugh at how stupid they are. I think she's having a good time I think she started having a fun time once we got into sovereign citizenship. She's like sweet I don't have to deal with raptors or anybody talking shit about me. I can just dunk on this idiot I don't think she I don't think she does any uh real dunking per se, but yeah, she's by by her silence

She has been dunking it speaks volumes. Yeah, so So how's he doing? I didn't get that two million. I'll tell you that right now. No, the cfo resigned over it though That's because the cfo went to the ceo and he was like, hey I don't know if you've read maritime law, but we gotta honor this the messiah And the ceo is like we can't be giving out two million dollar loans Then everybody's gonna find out that promissory notes are real What we got to do is we got to get the attorney general on the case pam bondy

Don't you dare talk to him about promissory notes, and then you got to fucking resign So the reason that this isn't The reason this isn't a crime is because there's nothing being done You know like if he was trying to do this with like the crime that will end up catching up with him is The money he still owes Yeah, usually that comes back the idea that he's saying the bank I have written a fake check for two two million dollars. They can just throw that in the trash. Yeah, that's not really a crime It is a crime if they accept it and then you start to use that money

Then it's fraud which is currently it's just dumb Which kind of brings us to our next clip Oh boy, because that's what shan david morten did to the government We talked about it on a recent episode shan david morten is a devout con man and frequent project camillote guest Right who misreported his income and uh, uh, uh, what would it be? Deductions from his taxes in order to get millions of dollars from the government Right because until they look over it sometimes things slip through the cracks So you could fill out a completely fraudulent tax return and there's a decent chance

It might go through and you might get a giant check. Yeah for like maybe three to five years We gotta we gotta And they just a fucking system and they just depleted the irs's staff So you might get away with it for a long fucking time. Yeah, who knows and that's why the sort of so our advice to everybody listening Is defraud the government as much wait. No, that's not our advice But that's why like audits are scary is because Because some people will misreport stuff and then it's important that you report accurately because when the Audit may come if they find something like that you are fucked. Yeah, they're gonna be mad to the clink

They're gonna be mad. Yeah, because generally speaking those sorts of errors Especially when they're for large sums of money are not accidents. They're intentional defrauding of the government Which is what shawn david morton is now in prison for yeah now interestingly Political prisoner dan they don't have the authority to do that. So again the reason that that's fraud and what uh ronald Did is not fraud is because he didn't get any money from it It didn't successfully go through otherwise Like only because of the bank's not going along with it and closing his account, right? Is he not committing fraud, right? The attempt is there. Yeah

But and I mean, I guess technically can you do something for attempted fraud? Like I guess if there's like malicious repeated attempted frauds they can come at you, but maybe otherwise Otherwise, yeah, it'd be like they give him like 30 days or something like that and a fine of 200 dollars And I imagine anybody at that bank feels like they just laugh or Or they feel bad for him one of the two. It's a what's the use in prosecuting. Yeah um, but Because I that important that distinction is really important to make because now Carrie is going to be like I need to tell you

You should be careful with that because shawn david mortons in prison Carrie is giving up financial advice after she gave some dude like 30 grand herself and got frotted over it It was more than that. But yeah, not uh, she's not against the plan She just that's an issue. That's an issue for me. She just thinks that doing it opens you up to the government jamming you Yeah, and yeah, so now in this little bit in this next clip. She very much misrepresents what shawn david morton did You're doing this now and you you you filed these I don't know whatever you want to call it promissory notes and He literally got thrown in jail for

Kind of a similar thing in a way. Exactly. One of the um, I guess strikes against him. Whatever that strike a charge Is that he and his wife? Because what is the charge about irs and what a sham that is and he wrote a chart based on his Value or whatever it is. I don't I don't quite get it. But you know For a certain amount of money and they accepted it. Believe it or not to as payment for his taxes And then they turned around and said he I mean they literally gave him the money that he he filed for money They owed him or something and they paid him and then they turned around and said no

They made a mistake and he was responsible for their mistake and so they They put certain counts against him. I was really twisted. Hmm logic No, no, no, it does not take a twisting of logic for you to be like Oh, yeah, you lied to us that money isn't real and then you took our money So it's not we made a mistake on our end. It's that the mistake was you were allowed to do that ever No, I mean it was a mistake. Well, I suppose yeah oversight. You know, but yeah, I agree with that It's not like we bungled this honest transaction and now we're punishing you for it. Yeah, it's you committed fraud We didn't catch it the first time around but then we looked back at the books

We're like, hey, give us that 12 million dollars back. He took 12 million something like that. I don't know exactly But yeah, you got it. You defrauded a lot every time every time these guys get good Look if you're gonna defraud the government even the government's like we're fine with it if it's like a little bit I would imagine. I mean, you know, you just got to think about you got to think about real resource allocation Yeah, exactly. I'm not sure. Yeah, but what I am sure about is this guy isn't making another movie Ronald is making another movie. Yeah, and uh, did you just take out a loan? We get in Nope, he has a go fund me page. Oh, how's that? How's that doing? We'll get into it in a little bit Did everybody sign him a promissory note? Maybe so, uh,

Kerry wants to know what his new movie is about and in revealing the plot of the movie We find out that not only does he think he's the savior not only is he a sovereign citizen He might be another category a cat That we've not really talked all that much about. Do you mean genius? Yes In terms of you're making this movie. Uh, what do you call the movie again? Uh, the one I'm well the one I'm writing now, um, I'm about to finish a movie. I've got about three more scenes to shoot That's called horror scope And there's a message behind that and the one I'm doing now that I'm looking out for horror lines of destiny

And eventually those bloodline members attempt to escape The Antarctic ice wall to get out of the earth He's a flat earth or and then they want to try and escape the holographic natures that we're into To face the archons and to find out who the the architect of hologram is that he's got it all all right, well, uh, so So that's kind of an interesting concept in itself. But um, is it Um, it's a swery swery. Kerry. Come on. When you talk about arctic arctic

Antarctic ice rings, you're talking flat earth, baby. Yeah, that's fun. Jesus. So, um, he has a prediction We know from our last episode alex's predictions about Everything and not just our last episode plenty of them. He's bad at predictions. I would say that ronald is right up there with him I think we are headed for the What albert pike put in his I don't know war's letter Don't do that in the middle of the global war on terror, which I think is about to end And it's gonna leave the entire world

um hopeless and poverty stricken sounds right fearful and And not in a position where they even know what to do where they're going to what they want us to do According to what albert pike wrote his turn toward the luciferian doctrine

We're gonna need a messiah trump is setting the stage now and and reagan said it before No for him that we're preparing. I think for a fake alien invasion Okay through this whole I don't know if they're going to have this global war and terror Blow up so much that it turns into a small nuclear war sure, but there are those The georgia guide stones are out there and the first commandment is to maintain a population under 500 million The georgia guide stones are out there, but this guy is out there This guy is really drawn from the whole whole whole book

Yeah, so if anybody is ready to write a sequel to the bible filled with as much bullshit as you can cram into one book I'll be goddamned if it isn't this cap I will say that this is the problem with uh people having free access to the internet Is that he's read every conspiracy site and he's like, yeah, that's all real Yeah, that's all I used to work for the dod. Let me google what the dod fort was that I should be at Oh, I'll memorize that. Oh what general zinni. That's a person who is there. All right. That's putting my data banks real close to saying general zod Yeah, uh, so the thing is I don't want to unpack the idea of this fake Alien invasion. It's something that I mean alex has even suggested that that's a possibility

Of course in order to bring the world together in a new one world government We have to make sense against this alien menace It's the only way human beings really unite is whenever there's a common enemy Well now him bringing this up on project camalot is kind of problematic because kerry believes that aliens are already here Well, that's why you would have to be a fake alien invasion. Well, see here. Here's here. Here's kerry's take on it And I would say that uh in terms of the alien invasion. Well, it's gonna be a little difficult because You know, I always say that it's it's kind of hard to conduct a fake alien invasion when you've got a real one going on so

Booyah So that's you're done. So that's the we're gonna end this with a like a trio of Close to dunks on kerry's part. That was the first one. Yeah, that was like Hey, you know, my whole thing is about that There's aliens already all over the place and they're maybe eating people for chocolate and all the times that you see Uh, like maybe the parkland shooting was really just covering up people on in south carolina who were eaten by aliens because of worm holes Yeah, um, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know all that stuff You're trying to come to me and say that there's a fake alien invasion. That's gonna be tough. Right now

Quick thinking on my feet, jordan. I'm saying right back to her That's why it's so easy to stage a fake alien invasion aliens. We've already got them here Right, it wouldn't even take it would take like a couple of phone calls And then we've got an invade alien invasion Even though they've been living amongst us safely and unsafely for For eons. Ring. Ring. Is this the raptor princess? Yes We need you to fake an invasion Give me chocolate

so, um at this point Ronald they I assume he doesn't come back with that response. No, okay That sort of is a uh, they have reached an impasse. Uh, in terms of that line of rhetoric can raptor's throw Plungers, I ask you that question swearing carry with arms They're bad baseball players. We know that. Yep So, uh, because that sort of was a dead end now, ronald's gonna get back to his plan Uh, his solution. Yeah, which is just sovereign citizen bullshit about how you can get unlimited money if you

Uh, give people promissory notes, of course Um, and so he has a way like it's not just that there's gonna be money for everybody And we're gonna be free of the evil central banks. No, no, no, there's much more to this There's more to it And once the the promissory note is accepted for value Then there's no reason for most of the crimes that people are incarcerated for I want to also say really quick that this is a good argument for universal basic income But let's not let's not muddy the waters with that sort of uh, reasonable thinking

Nobody's gonna go out and rob Because they don't have to because they are they have their wealth They're not gonna have to go sell themselves or sell drugs Let me technically they are still if there's a problem There's a plot to actually make sure that something like this never happens, obviously So, uh, you know, you're afraid of us in numbers. They are afraid of us in numbers. That is true But they don't want an uprising That's like you're sending a promissory note is really gonna solve it

Okay, you know, whatever Oh, shit, motherfucker She even ended it with whatever God, I am liking this carry. It's still not great um, so We have spent so much time with the most Uh, a credible woman in the world And to hear her not credible credulous credulous. I apologize. Yeah, no, complete opposite. Complete opposite. Yeah, complete opposite

But to hear this level of I know you're dumb and I don't think you know, you're dumb from her. That's fantastic. It's kind of nice. I love it So ronald's a delight ronald's on the show and uh, so He wants to get funding for his movie and so he promotes his go fund me page Uh on the show and now is the time in the episode where I would like you jordan to guess How much is he making on his go fund me page?

How much is he asking for a hundred thousand dollars and He's been on project camalot. This came out like a week ago or so and The go fund me page was created on august 6th 2018 so it's been about a month that it's been up been about a month a hundred thousand dollars the messiah Yeah, making a new movie with the help of someone who gets at least in the tens of thousands of views on all of her videos How much do you think that he has made on this go fund me page that I am looking at right now? I am going to go with 65 dollars zero

That's a kick to the pants that's not great. That's not great the info wagon did better This is tragic. Wow. I don't think I don't think he's doing well. It's a bummer. I don't think he's doing well Really is a bummer. I think he's struggling So he is offering people though when he comes to his website or they email him Yeah, he will send them this promissory note template that he's come up with so they can get two million dollars by sending it to a bank Right and he also says please show it to your lawyer Show it to your banker. Don't do it. See if they can find any problems with they can and will It will be very easy for them. But but you know, you know, that's sort of old salesman trick

You know, like not only that. Yeah, but there's not only offering the promissory note He's offering you the path to freedom. Oh, okay. That's good I'll also send with this the the promissory notes of the path to freedom Which is a document from this sovereignty education defense ministry That has the steps where you can remove yourself from the jurisdiction of the state So you never have to pay taxes. You don't have to have a driver's license You don't have to have a social security number. Okay. Well now before you do that Can I ask you if you know, how are you going to raise money for a film and not have any of those things?

Well, I'm in this system and I have to use federal reserve notes. I have no choice I'm working to affect the change And I'm working for these promissory notes to be accepted And I'm working to get people to withdraw from the government And when we all start working together in mass, then yes, I won't have to live off the federal reserve note But right now I um, I have to so I have no choice I mean, I don't feel if it critical about it because I have to do what I have to do I've lived on the street before and I'm not afraid to be uncomfortable

So like hey, man, if you're preaching everyone A divorce themselves from the government, it'll set you free and you haven't done it I gotta give you a pass. I'm like not a pass. I gotta give you a hard pass. Yeah, I say no, sir Yeah, you are bye. Yeah Bye-bye, sir If you don't have the faith in your own advice to take it Yeah And you've already done the promissory note that you know that fucking doesn't work

Yeah Yeah, it's it's CFO's resign over it. It's ludicrous. I love that the carry is like she does bring that point up Which is again, that's it's nice nice on her part So oh boy towards the end of the episode Um, carry does something that she does quite a bit and she tries to go to the audience because she's live streaming again Uh, and so she tries to go to the people in the chat to get questions for this guy. It does not go well Oh, yeah A lot of nonsense. They ask him about like, uh, do you think it's a good idea to raise your vibration?

He gives a rambling answer that was meaningless But it leads to this which I think points out rank hypocrisy Uh in uh, carry Cassidy and also reinforcement of her sweary carry nickname All right, so there's a lot of nonsense going on in the chat. I'm sad to say Uh, and so I'm basically banning a bunch of people. Uh, so free speech acting like an asshole on the chat Um, how dare you because I'm getting rid of you So, um, I told you I was going to bring out the trolls, didn't I? Yeah, like don't come back

Okay, because we don't want you and uh go elsewhere and that that goes for the cia trolls the paid trolls Etc and the loonie loonie's out there or that. I just want to say stupid shit because they're like how dare you all right, so Hey carry, why are you banning people for speech you don't agree with carry all these people? It seems like there's some sort of I want to say like something like that That that she just did with no compunctions or guilt or self-reflection whatsoever May have occurred like

To her. Oh, yeah, recently. She tried to use it to make money that she Used it as a fundraiser and perhaps made a central Hmm, you know, it's kind of like you set up rules in your private space Yeah Online like when you're doing a show or something like that People don't abide by it. Then you're free to kick them out much like businesses are free to do I don't understand Dan. I don't know. I don't know set the rules Follow them first amendment dumb people cia shills coming and talking shit

Get them swear you carry so stupid dumb asshole Anyway, so stupid brings us to the end of all these people are stupid I know that's why we talk about them brings us to the end of our journey with the messiah Uh, which is a great joe sattriani album followed up surfing with the alien Our time with the messiah how uh, how's he how's he doing joe sattriani? No our messiah Was he doing all right? He didn't make he hasn't gotten any donations to do his go fund me I bet he's pretty I bet he's gotten a lot of promissory notes. Oh so many That's probably the problem with his uh, yeah, do you think go fund me takes promissory notes?

Don't think so. Shouldn't he have just been able to give a promissory note to go fund me? Yes, and have them then put the go fund me is not a bank You have to go to the banks. Oh, okay, right because they're the ones who are involved with uh being in dishonor with maritime law or something or other Oh, man, if he turns out to be the messiah, I'm gonna be so bummed feel like the odds aren't great. They're not good so far So jordan, we are now at the end of this. Jesus go fund me didn't do well either He got killed for 40 silver pieces. He could have just written Judas a fucking promissory note Do you know the thing too is that saviors in the past have not been so concerned? With uh, usually they're usually they're like

Hey, uh, maybe you guys don't do away with the earthly goods and shit overturning things in temples and Give Caesar what Caesar seems kind of chill about money for the most part. Anyway, I don't care This has been fun, but we have a website. It's knowledge fight.com You should check that out. Could you follow us on twitter somehow? We can't you can we can also it's knowledge underscore fight How about facebook? We're on facebook Are we do we have like a group for people to go to where they post fun cool stuff? Yep. It's called go home tell your mother you're brilliant That's really where most of the action is we're bad at social media So if you like the show and you want to one of us is completely off social media

If you want to engage with listeners and uh, you know, I'm on there a little bit Please go to go home and tell your mother you're brilliant on on facebook And uh, if you want to listen to the podcast find us on itunes or some shit like that Yeah, do you you can probably find us It's cool if you tell people about us because people like to know other people about stuff. Yep. I helped so Jordan we'll be back with our next episode, which will be back to alex jones territory Yeah, but even though he wasn't on this episode

It's really important that everybody out there remember that alex jones probably killed a dude Andy and chan's us. You're on the air. Thanks for holding So alex i'm a first name caller i'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you