Knowledge Fight - #208: March 6-8, 2009

Episode Date: September 21, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the March 6-8, 2009 episodes of the Alex Jones Show. Alex is coming off the big reveal of his bogus Avian Flu narrative, and that absolutely continues. In these episodes, Alex seems preoccupied with really bad examples of gun people who have been arrested, as well as a deeply over-simplified take on a profoundly tragic piece of American history.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're Couple Dudes. I'd like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. I liked the, I liked the opening. You, uh, you kind of took over a little bit of my thing right there. Nope. We're a couple dudes. Yeah. No, I heard it. I heard it. Puberty has, uh, sat in, unfortunately, that's what that was. So congratulations. Congratulations. I got a pube. All right. That's the name of our next podcast. Right. Good news. I got a pube.

We have comedians in to talk about when they got their first pube. Uh-huh. Uh, this is a show where we don't talk about that. We talk about, uh, Alex Jones, because I know a lot about him. And I only know what you tell me. Indeed. So, and I also know that his beard looks like a big pube. Yeah. One giant, one giant, hideous pube. Uh, so Jordan, uh, we got, uh, we got some fun to go over today. We got some slight not fun to go over today. All right. I feel a little bit out of sorts because we're recording this during the day, which is, uh, uncommon because you are at Zanies and Rosemont this weekend. Yeah. So, uh, if any, if anybody's listening to this as it comes out on Friday, you can go check out Jordan's standup. Still time. Saturday night tickets available

Sunday. Any of these things. Also, I'm, I'm just, it's weird to like, uh, I just came from selling my blood. Yeah. I know. There's a reason that you're out of sorts. Did you eat a peanut butter sandwich? I remember that being important. No, no, I didn't eat a peanut butter sandwich, but what I did do is I meant to go get some food, uh, but I panicked at the, uh, the grocery, not the grocery stores, the corner store. I bought a bag of chips. So I ate some Doritos. You panicked. Yeah, I did. I don't know what that means in the context of a corner store. Well, one of the trademarks of Dan saw a bag of Cheetos and I was like, I can't handle this shit. One of the things that's very consistent with me whenever I'm in a shopping situation

is I'll end up overwhelmed by choices. Right. I, it's not that I think people are looking at me shopping or anything like that, but I will panic about the idea of like, if I think about this more, I will be here for an hour. Right. So I just grabbed something and I'm almost always dissatisfied. You're always, uh, dealing with the cereal aisle conundrum. Yes. Yeah. About about a month ago, I wanted to go get a candy. I wanted to get a sweet treat from the, uh, the grocery store. Right. I went down there and they were out of the Haribo gummy bears, which are my favorite. Those are great. They have a good, uh, chewiness, good texture. Yeah. Uh, they were out of those. And so I was looking over. I'm like, I don't want to fucking milk duds. What the fuck? I don't

want whoppers get out of here. And then I saw a brightly colored bag of Twizzler, uh, Watermelon flavor. Terrible. I accidentally grabbed them in a panic. Oh no. They were so bad. No, of course they were. This happens to me all the time. Clothes, food, ever. And who cares? No need to go down this road any further. So Jordan, I'll tell you, I've found a new, uh, a new snack and that's the, the Reese's bar that's just covered with Reese's pieces. The Reese's outrageous. It is ridiculous. I can't handle it. It's, it's an overload of flavor. I found that to be too busy. It's way too busy. I love it. Yeah. Well, you may love that. I don't feel great about it, but something I do feel great about is our new donors. Great transition. Thank you. I'd like to give a shout out to some of

our new donors that have joined up with the team. We appreciate it very much. First of all, I'd like to say thank you to Connor. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you Connor. Thank you very much, sir. Now I'd like to give another thank you to someone who I think has one of the cooler names that we've experienced here. And I mean, big Tim is going to be up there for a while. Big Tim is up there. Uh, has Dean Adele donated to us yet? No, no, no, no, no eyes on Dean Adele. But, uh, this, uh, very exciting to have this person as a policy wonk. Thank you so much. Soda spider. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you much. All right. What is, is that like, is that like a spider that likes soda or a spider that is made of soda? I would

assume it's the liking, uh, that, uh, that gets the, the name. That's, that's my guess. And I'm sticking to it. Okay. I don't like spiders, but I'll take a soda spider. Is it a short, is it short for a Minnesota spider? Oh, that's a great, no, because it's SODA. Oh, okay. So TA, if it was right, right, right. Um, also I'd like to say thank you to someone who came in at a bit of a higher level, which we appreciate also very much. I'd like to say, uh, out there to Jonathan. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Oh, God, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomize sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's

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I'd like to give a little bit of a shout out, I guess, to the behind the bastards podcast. Very nice of them to mention there. Nice of them to mention us in passing. Blink and you'll miss it. Still very nice of them. I do appreciate it. I wish they would have gotten in touch with us quite frankly, because there are little things that could have really helped, uh, put things into context. Like for instance, I got a tweet from one of our, uh, one of our peeps, uh, who listened to the latest episode and they mentioned that the, they mentioned the human resources director of info wars, but don't mention that it's Alex Jones's dad. They don't mention that it's his dad. Right. So there's stuff like that seems like the only thing to mention or it could be David Bowie.

That's true. But it's just, you get distracted by the quote of like, it's a yeasty environment. Yeah, that is tough. Not noticed that. Oh my God. It's David. Oh, okay. Yeah. There's just stuff like that. I think they did a fine job, but at the same time, I think we could have really beefed up some of their, uh, their points, but oh, well, such is life. Anyway, thanks for the shout out. We appreciate it. Absolutely. I worry that I'm sounding petty and I don't mean to be. I don't mean, I promise I don't mean to be. No, I know it. That just, that is just one of those details that how, how could you expect it? Even if you were reading over it and you were like, Oh, it's David Jones. Why would you think that it's his dad? That's an insane thing to do. Yeah,

I know. But even then a lot of people have the last name, Jones. Well, if you listen, but if you listen to Alex Jones, the show at all, you know that he talks about how his family works there. So you would already have some inclination that like, wait, this is person named Jones who works there. There's probably a connection and you'd look a little bit into it. You'd find, Oh, David Jones is his dad. Oh, does dad own Castle dental? Oh, Alex Jones used to suspiciously have the same address for info wars as his dad's dental office. Anyway, anyway, look, we got some business to do today, Jordan. Do we? Yes. Today we talk about Space Jam two with Ryan Coogler and LeBron James. That's the order of. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the star

order. Ryan Coogler did Black Panther. LeBron James is an unknown entity as far as acting goes. He's very, very charismatic. I think he's very curious about the hell out of that movie. Yeah. Although as some of our friends have tweeted and I agree with him, we didn't need the first space chair. I don't know if we need this one. How dare you please the most monster thing to say of you. And now see the best part about that movie was the monsters theme, which was done by Coolio be real. Wait, what be real from Cypress Hill, red and math. And I can't remember. I think LL Cool J. They were the monsters. It is crazy. Really? Yeah, there's a music video for it. That's really awesome. All right. Well, then like, we got to get the band back together. Coogler,

give us a call. I feel like DMX might be on that song too. That can't be true. It's a crazy line up. That can't be true. Also, Red Man might only appear in the video. I think Method Man's the only one actually rapping be that as it may. That's the best part of space jam. I pissed off that everyone liked that or Kelly song because monsters anthem is better. Hit them high, hit them high, hit them low, hit them low. All right. Anyway. Oh, also that was that's another issue we have with behind the bastards. They make zero references to space jam. I feel like that track also had that song basketball Jones. I got a basketball. Oh yeah, for sure had basketball Jones on there. Yeah. Let's stop this edit this all out. No, Jordan. Today we're going over March

6th through 8th, 2000, 2009, 2009. We cannot record during the day. Blade Runner 2047. So we talked about on the last episode from 2009, we talked about how Alex Jones had the biggest news of all time, which was that avian flu release that wasn't H5N1. Right. Alex made a big deal out of this by misquoting sources pretending that 911 blogger was actually mainstream Czechoslovakian sorry Czech Republic news. And we I predicted very strongly that two things. One, he was going to keep talking about this for a long time as his main narrative. Yes. And two, he the way he was describing his reaction to the news. I thought he had the flu. Right. I was pretty sure about that. Right. So I was not surprised at all when I opened up a March 6th episode. Jason Burmes was hosting.

Alex had to take a sick day. I am almost certain he had the flu. He was talking about sweating, the room spinning. He was upset at his stomach. He doesn't show up for work the next day. Obviously he had the bug. Well, it's nice to have confirmation on our theories. I think it's nice. Nothing but circumstantial evidence on this one. Awesome. So March 8th comes around. It's the Sunday show. So he's had Saturday to sort of heal his wounds as well. Friday off, Saturday off. Reconcile with his stomach. Absolutely. They reached rapprochement.

You got to stop that. And so we get to the eighth and Alex is in a very strange place. He had a lot of fever dreams. He may have. He wants to talk a lot about guns. And he uses some really bad examples to talk about them. Like sort of guns plus the oppressive state that's going on. Okay. Okay. And so the first one that he brings up is it's bad. Also every day I see articles from even the South. You think this only goes on in places like Boston and Massachusetts or in places like Connecticut where people legally go to the gun shop, they buy some guns and the police pull them over and charge them for having an arsenal. There's no law, but they still go to prison. Now you're saying, how does that happen? Well,

people go to prison all the time for not taking vaccines. There's no law. I've had listeners and it's been in the newspaper. No, they asked how did it come to Kentucky? Kelly rushing. They gave state police some of my videos. The police arrested him and said it was threatening and said that they didn't appreciate the material in my film road to tyranny. It was also a Ron Paul video and I called the judge up at home and he said, yeah, you can watch the court case. I'm not going to comment on it. It was in the newspaper and they took him in there and tried to put him in prison and the jury said not guilty. They said it was terrorism to hand out my videos. Then we had the state police being trained on their own video footage around the country

that freedom is terrorism. I'm not joking when I say this. I want you to understand something. So that part at the end there is we already talked about a little bit that idea that people are being taught that the founding fathers were terrorists, which if you look at it objectively, they were. That doesn't mean that their objective was evil or wrong or anything like that, but the methods they employed were terroristic. So that's just, I wanted to reinforce that he keeps talking about that. He has this, you get arrested with an arsenal of guns in your car. That specific story is going to come up later, but he uses that as a jump off to talk about you get arrested for not taking vaccines. Then he tries to pull a specific example of that and he

can't. And the only thing he can come up with is this Kelly rushing who got arrested for handing out copies of Alex's DVDs. Yeah. Now, was it, was the, was the DVD material, the crime or was there some other crime that it may have occurred? We'll see the way Alex presents it, this idea that you get arrested for handing out info wars videos. That would be, you'd have a great point if he was just charged with terrorism and arrested for that. In reality, I'm going to read to you from the Kentucky police press release, quote, investigators with the Kentucky state police are attempting to deal with a flood of calls coming into post after Kentucky state police investigation was discussed on a syndicated radio program this afternoon on December 15th,

2003 to Trooper Louis Dodd arrested 53 year old Kelly rushing of Fredonia, Kentucky on charges of menacing and terroristic threatening. Rushing is accused of placing anti government propaganda in the mailbox of Trooper Dodd radio talk show host Alex Jones discussed the Russian case on his radio show, which aired on today's date. After the show was over post one received more than 50 calls from people airing their concerns with the case. The calls ended up tying up a emergency dispatch personnel and phone lines that are normally used for regular police business. Most of the calls were from people living in the Midwest and the West Coast. So he ended up inconveniencing the emergency response system in Kentucky. Alex Jones directly

responsible for that by lying about the situation. This guy was meddling with people's mailboxes. That's a federal crime. You can't just put things in people's mailboxes. You can't? No. Really? Yes. I did not know that. No, absolutely not. I thought you could just put anything in a mailbox. No. It's a mailbox. No. It's just a box. No. You really can't? The mailbox is technically considered to be property of the like federal government or whatever. So you can't interfere with the like distribution and collection of the mail. Oh, it's it's because you could just leave a bomb in someone's mailbox. Right. Shit like that. It's very there. There are reasons for these laws being in place. So this trooper had this Kelly rushing guy leave this propaganda in

his mailbox, which is a crime. That's why he arrested him for it. Oh, that's it's not like he's standing out in the middle of like public space and be like, want a DVD? Okay, it's a crime. Now, if Alex wanted to say it shouldn't be a crime to put things in someone's mailbox that they don't want in their mailbox, could have that conversation. It's a different conversation. You could have it. I mean, he could have mailed it. Could have done that. If you'd mailed it, if you'd mailed the DVD, then it's not illegal. It wouldn't be illegal because then it's processed through all of the x-ray scans and then everybody knows it's not a bomb, except it is. It's a truth bomb. You're damn right. Also, I don't believe Alex actually did call the judge,

but if he did, that's possibly pretty illegal. At best, that's ex parte communication. And at worst, it could be seen as trying to intimidate a judge like calling him at home. Yeah, that's not good. No, I don't think you should do that. My advice, don't do that. If it's deemed intimidation, then that's illegal. If it's ex parte communication, it could influence the judge to go against Kelly rushing in the case because it could be seen as like these people are trying to meddle with the case probably on his behalf. So I don't think he did it, but if he did, it's one of the stupidest things you could do in a court case. So then after all of this shit goes down, Alex is going and a bunch of people who are nowhere near Fredonia, Kentucky,

yeah, called like 911 over and over and over again. Yep. Called their lines. This is evil, right? And then like a couple of people died. Maybe. I mean, who knows? I don't know the stats on that. So I told you that at the beginning of that clip, he's bringing up this idea of you get arrested. Do you have an arsenal in your car and whatever you say you have an arsenal in your car? I think that's, I think that's okay. I'm fine with that. So here's where he gets to the introduction of that specific story. You vaguely talked about it already. Here's some specifics. Police arsenal found in Danbury team's truck and it's, he's 18 years old. He went and legally bought some rifles. He was going to shoot him with his buddies in Maine ahead of a wedding

that he was going to attend. The police pulled him over and he had four rifles and they freaked out and flipped out and they were all legal semi-automatic rifles and they still arrested him and they're charging him and there's no law, but they don't care. They don't care. So that's the beginning of the narrative. I'm going to say that he's wrong about a number of details. But before I get into the specifics, I'm going to let Alex hang himself a little more in this next clip. All right. But do you have any, you were writing some notes down. Yeah. I don't know if you had a thought. Yeah. I don't like, I don't like a team shooting rifles ahead of a wedding because that to me suggests that the wedding is like his ex-girlfriend or shot gun wedding. Yeah. I don't, I don't like,

I don't like any of that. Yeah. I don't like that at all. I understand why you don't like it, but you got to suck it up a little bit in terms of that. Cause it's, it's not like, if someone wanted to go shoot at the range or something like that to celebrate their wedding, I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. If it makes you uncomfortable, then that is something you need to deal with. No, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It just to me is a suspect thing to do here in this next clip. Alex gets, I think that you're right to be a little bit, you're, you're sort of the vibe sensor is going off. You're getting a bad vibe. Yeah. I'm getting a bad vibe and it's way worse than you can imagine. And I see these

stories every day and normally it's preceded by, you know, Bill was an insurance salesman living in an upscale home at a barbecue. He told his neighbors the economy was going to collapse. I mean, I've seen literally hundreds of stories like this. I thought you were going to go with the premise version. No, no, no, no. I was definitely going with Tom Waits on that one. You can pull them up and Bill told his neighbors, the economy was going to collapse and that they need to get storeable food and buy firearms. And then he had quite a bit of firearms. The police raided his home and confiscated 15 firearms. And they're investigating to see if he's a terrorist and then I wonder if he has insurance laws. I've seen this in Texas, Ohio, you name it.

It's not even illegal. And then we'll call the person up over and over again. I'll have my producers, these people and 99% of the time they go, my lawyer says, don't talk. My lawyer says, I got to plead to this, but wait, it's not illegal. I know, but, but, you know, they're, they're just saying that if I plead, they won't put me in prison for 20 years and I'll just be on probation. And a few times that one, they've listened to me. It's gotten the point. I don't even call these people up anymore. But you know what? Let's do it again. This week, I'm going to call this gentleman up. A 18 year old city resident is in a Massachusetts jail after state police said they found an arsenal in his truck. Luke S. Huzinga was on his way to a wedding in Maine

when a state trooper pulled him over for a minor traffic violation. It goes on. He had a bushmaster semi automatic. He had a shotgun while he had some knives. Oh my gosh. I don't like any of those on it shows the pocket knives. They're so deadly. He was going up there to shoot with his buddies. So Alex is going to reach out and help this Luke Huzinga. Yeah. This is another bad case for Alex to be rallying behind. Yeah. To hear Alex tell it this innocent kid with four semiotic rifles is getting pulled over by police and shaken down for being a good citizen. No reason to pull him over. In reality, if you review the police report, he was pulled over because he swerved across lanes, which police often consider to be suspicious behavior. When the police pulled Luke over,

they found his responses to questions to be evasive and being that it was 12 20 in the morning and he had swerved. That could be an indication of impairment or worse. They had him get out of the truck and padded him down, which turned up bullets on his person. So they searched his truck. They did not find four rifles. They found a rifle with a night scope added, which is perfect for those late nights at the shooting range with your buddies. No, no, no, thank you. 12 gauge shotgun, two high capacity magazines, five knives, brass knuckles and a bulletproof vest with armor plating. So he's just just going to the cigar shop. Just gonna go shoot with his buddies. His mother was quoted in the paper as saying that he was quote a sportsman and gun enthusiast

who is familiar with guns, perhaps a little too much. Yeah, maybe that's what his mom said. A little too familiar with guns. So while possession of most firearms is not illegal, owning high capacity magazines is usually a really bad sign. Brass knuckles aren't super useful against a deer and we all learned from the case. That's not true. That's not true. Generally speaking. Okay. And we all learned from the case of ODB that it can be illegal to have a bulletproof vest because you know, it implies that you may find your way into a situation where you're getting shot at. Like for instance, if you were to go shoot at some people. Oh, and also he was transporting these guns across state lines. No. So even if they're perfectly legal, now they're not. Right. He's

saying that this kid's from Danbury, which is in Connecticut. He got arrested in Massachusetts and he was going to Maine. So you would have crossed multiple state lines with all of these guns. Even if they're registered in Connecticut, you can't carry an arsenal across state lines without a good reason. Shooting with your buddies before a wedding is not a good reason. Anyway, it's easy to hear a story like this and have some empathy for Luke. He's 18 years old. This could easily be a misunderstanding on the part of a kid who loves guns too much. It doesn't realize that he's headed down an antisocial path. You think maybe this run in with the cops will set him straight? It didn't. Oh no. In 2016, Luke Huizingo was arrested after his living girlfriend

told police he quote assaulted her, including chaining her up against her will and engaging in bondage type sex. His friend Joshua McGuire told police to be careful when they went to arrest him because he's always armed. Quote, McGuire called Huizingo a prepper who may want to go down in a blaze of glory, according to the arrest affidavit. Oh yeah. Hey guys, guys, there's always domestic abuse. They're always there. Always. These are bad people. Quote, the investigation of the woman's claim in late August led police to serve a warrant on Huizingo's home, which was followed by search warrants for the property and his vehicles. The state police emergency response team was called to the home that night finding what they considered items

used for the manufacturing of firearms and bombs. Oh, that's not good. You shouldn't have those. The home turned out to hold a trove of weapons, gun parts, pounds of black powder and milk crates, ammo containers, and a bin that held thousands of rounds of ammunition. Along with the hunting. Along with the items, police say they found a sound suppressor referred to as a silencer made from the metal body of a mag light flashlight that threaded onto the end of a 22 caliber gun barrel. So he made his own silencer. Yep, from a flashlight. That's not a good sign. That's not a good sign. In the basement authorities say they found 80% AK style gun receivers, which serve as frames for the gun's other parts that with a few mechanical alterations and additional parts could

be made into working firearms. In some cases, those types of receivers sometimes referred to as blanks don't hold serial numbers that are used to track their ownership and could be purchased online. Oh, is that why they don't have those? Is that why they don't go buy guns legally? So they can, you know, buy all the parts, which is not illegal, and then make their own gun, which are unregistered and untraceable. Right. And then you sell those to somebody who just wants to go hunting down. Absolutely. They just want to go hunting and they don't want the government in their business. They're all good citizens. Yeah. His girlfriend told police that Luke had an unpredictable temper and that in 2011, just two years after... Oh, I think he had a predictable

temper. Just about... I think it's very predictable to imagine he has a temper. In 2011, just two years after this Alex Jones episode was broadcast, he threw a knife at her, which stuck into the wall above her head. After they had a kid, Luke did not mellow and become a good dad. When their child was two to four months old, he would spank her to stop her from crying, leaving bruises on her thighs. She also told police that he saw him cover their child's mouth to quiet her, which is super fucked up. That is really not the way to do it. You might say. Luke would also slap, choke, and tie up his girlfriend, even when she would say that she did not want him to do so. She also told the police that Luke had made a lot of money off selling unregistered guns. So maybe the police

weren't out of line pulling this guy over. Maybe they were incredibly perceptive when they caught a weird vibe off him when they pulled him over, much like you did when you heard the beginnings of the story. This guy is a bad dude. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't, he is a good insurance salesman though. No, that's a, that's a different guy. No, I know, but he, everybody, he's also an insurance. From what I understand from that report, he was working as like a construction thing, like his dad's business. So yeah, cool and selling guns. Well, you got to have a, look, it's a gig economy dad. Right. You got to have multiple irons in the fire. It's, you got to have hustles. Yeah. Come on. I sell my blood. These guys sell guns. Yeah. Yeah.

Unregistered guns. Again, used purely for hunting. So now we have Kelly rushing the example that Alex is using. It does not match up with the reality. I assume that later on in the radio show, he would revisit this story and then apologize and say, you know, sometimes not a chance. Oh no, he doesn't do that. So then he also has this Luke Huzinga thing where he's just going off the, the inaccurate reading of the actual incident. And then now, because we live in the future, we know what this guy is all about. He's an abuser and a violent gun arms dealer, basically. And so these are not good examples for Alex to be defending. Right. Right. Right. Or in fact, they are examples that Alex would be defending 100%. So now Alex pivots and gets

into some stuff from his own life. One time, myself and who was it? Roger Racler. Later, a UT football player a few years younger than me and his brother, Alex Racler were driving. And by the way, he was valovictorian of his class. Now it's like a top, not an important detail. Point is no criminal record. Guys I live to wait with and we're driving to go to the shooting range and there's, and we've got four rifles in the back and some handguns and a lot of guns. State police pull us over, go through the guns. That's why we've got them. They get on the radio. The cop wants to do something to us and his superior's telling him, don't I mean, that's this country is down the toilet. It is down the toilet.

We have turned into a secret police degenerate nation. Hey Alex, you know why the cops were concerned? You were driving around with a bunch of guns and a minor in your car. An unrelated minor. That he the way he tells that story, there's literally no way for this Roger Racler to be over 18. He says he's a few years younger than him, but also says he would later go to UT. So he's clearly talking about a time when this kid was in high school. I don't like it when high school kids have guns. I don't either. I don't like them being around other people who are named Alex Jones who have at least five or six guns in the car. That that's why the cops were concerned. Yeah, I think that's probably a good thing.

If your definition of when a country goes down the toilet is I can't ride around at 18 with four to seven guns in the backseat and a minor in the car with no supervising adult. When I can't do that, I know this country's gone down the toilet. Absolutely. That is a low fucking bar. That is a low bar. Yeah, boy. Hmm. He knows that in his ideal world, a lot of people get shot, right? Like a lot of the time. No, because he imagine this is like the this is unforgiven. Like he's these are Clint Eastwood characters. You're dumb. You're dumb. Because once everybody has a gun, no one will ever shoot anybody because they know that the other person has a gun, which also kind of indicates that he ever seen a movie. It kind of indicates like maybe he didn't learn

anything from the like all of those westerns where it's a quick draw. Everybody has a gun and everybody shoots at each other all the time because you solve problems with the gun. Yeah, I think that's I think that's he misses a little bit of the nuance of that and just thinks that like, hey, it'll be a good deterrent. It'll dissuade anybody from shooting another person because they know they've got a gun. You know how no country goes to war with each other because they all have bombs? Oh my god, these people are trying to get us all killed. It's very dumb. So I believe that story from Alex, though, I believe that he was in that car with a minor in guns and the cops were like, Hey, this is fucked up. They called it in. They're like, let him go

with a warning or something like that. It probably wasn't worth it. Probably did have the right paperwork or whatever for the guns. So who gives a shit? And they are in Texas. So they're like, well, who doesn't have six to 12 guns in their backseat at all times? And the other cop we've heard him talk about pulling them over was a literal Nazi Nazi tattoos. So who knows what's going on? Hey, so this next clip, Alex tells a story visa v guns that I do not believe at all. That cop was a real Sandra Bullock. You know what I'm saying? Now, they watch these shows. And so then when they're in your house, I had a carpet cleaner one time, try to call the police on me for a shotgun on the wall real quick. This is after he's complaining about how like cop shows

make everyone think that owning guns are illegal. So everyone watches the shows and then they're scared of guns. So he's got a shotgun up on his wall and this carpet cleaner is all scared. Hold on. Back before I had children in my broadcast studio out of my house had a shotgun right up on the wall, had a gun safe right next to it. You bet, got a shotgun. And that guy started freaking out about it. I'm not going to clean this room that guns illegal because it was black and I guess scary. And I was just like, what are you talking about? I don't know if you should be projecting like that gun rally on the cover of the metro and state. And I held up the newspaper. I said, see me at on the newspaper at a second amendment rally. It's not illegal for me to have that gun

that had a bad feeling. And I called the carpet cleaning place one of the bigger ones here in town. They drive yellow trucks. Let's leave it at that. And the manager said, yes, Mr. Jones, he did want to call the police. We explained to him it's not illegal. You understand the country we live in. I don't believe anything about that story. Nope. I don't believe I don't believe anybody called him. Yes, Mr. Jones. Maybe. I mean, if you're in a service capacity, someone would it's a polite thing to do. You still call him Alex. Maybe a train. So so black guns are scary. Yeah. And white guns would not be scary. Gray, maybe there's a little bit of a I'm just saying it's not great. But I mean, it's worse because I don't believe the story. So

it's an extraneous detail that's pulling into this clearly fabricated story. I don't think any carpet cleaner be like, Oh my God, you have a shotgun on your wall, a decorative gun. I'm not gonna clean your carpet. Silly. Well, I mean, the shotgun was connected to a series of a home alone style traps like a ruby gold. Were you to open the door unsafely? Sure, you would be shot by that gun. But that's technically it is on the wall mechanism. Yeah. He doesn't have a dog. You might as well rig up a murder machine. The other story he tells is like he put a bunch of guns in his car because he was going to go on like a trip like a hunting trip or something like that. When he was a younger man, and then like the police came while he was away, because a neighbor

called because he was putting all these guns in his car. And he's like, Oh my God, isn't this just just tyranny? And I'm like, Yeah, neighbors are nosy. That's hack standup material. You know, like, Yeah, old bitty next door won't stop getting in your business. That's kind of like, that's, that's a trope of bad television, bad standup, just the idea of like, nosy neighbors. So yeah, hey, that sucks. That's not about the government. That's about your neighbor. I wouldn't be, I wouldn't feel like I was being a nosy neighbor if I walked by and my neighbor was loading a shit ton of guns into a car. I think that would just be responsible behavior. I'd be like, Hey, what's going on here? Oh, I'm going on a camping hunting trip. Cool. I'm not going to ask a question

to a man loading six guns into a car. You assume that if you have lived next door to somebody, maybe you have some familiarity, some, right, some, some collegiality. Yeah, maybe I don't understand the multiple gun thing. Like what happened? What ever happened to trusty rifles? You know, whatever happened to just bringing one gun to go hunting? Well, you might be going with multiple people. Also, you might want to use different guns for different circumstances. You know, like if you're up in a tree stand, you might want one gun. If you're out shooting rabbits, you might want a different gun. So if you're going out, I understand that. I don't think that's all that weird. So you're not hunting your laying waste to an ecosystem that it's sort of, yeah.

I'm killing every type of animal in this area that I'm going to. Yeah. Okay. So at this point, Alex jumps off the gun shit and gets to what we knew he was going to do, which is talking more about this Baxter international slash biotest mix up that happened, which again, wasn't Baxter's fault. It was biotests, the lab in the Czech Republic. He gets back to that narrative. It's evolved a little bit now. And then it goes to a really bad place, which I regret we have to talk about, but we do. What happened is Baxter Pharmaceuticals based in the U.S. mailed to 18 of its subsidiary factories in Europe with the orders to mix H in H five in one avian flu virus, the deadly type that kills more than 60% of the people that come in contact with it.

A horrible gruesome death. Your lungs fill up with water. You die. It has a higher kill rate with young children and old people. So they ship this out. Has nothing to do with the regular flu vaccine, but it's mixed at 18 different locations in the big test batches. Nope. And the scientists that are reporting on this in the Canadian, French, German, Czech news, we have quotes in stories we've written up on info wars.com that link to all this that are kind of boil downs of all this news 9 11 blogger. This is so important. I recommend you read all the articles on it fully grasp it. This is the perfect way to mutate the bird flu, the deadly bird flu into a super airborne flu. So the only real evolution of

the narrative is now there's 18 places, which again is just a reflection of the places that got things from this lab in the Czech Republic. Yeah, we're in only three of them. Actually, there's three countries that were named in the original articles, but that doesn't mean there weren't multiple places, multiple sites in Germany or Austria or Slovenia that could have gotten the samples from. So the 18 number I'm not super I didn't want to dig more into this narrative because I know what the truth is of the bigger picture. So if there were 18 places, yeah, absolutely, that's possible. But they were all places that got things from biotest, the lab in the Czech Republic. So this all is just like, okay, you're you're and saying that you

have all this like linked boil downs of the, the news and stuff like that. It's like you, you, you have 9 11 blogger being misrepresented by Paul Joseph Watson. Yeah, we don't need to beat a dead horse about this. But my prediction is correct. He's talking about it a bunch. I don't have a bunch of it in because he brings it up a bit. And it's just the same thing. It's just the same thing. It's just they're trying to create this pandemic. Yeah, the globalists are off the chain. Whoop de do. Yeah. Well, the thing that he does that's really insidious is immediately after saying biotest, he says, no, which is better backster, which is based in the US, which gives you the idea that backster based in the US sent the samples, right, not the laboratory in the Czech

Republic, but sending those samples. That's the impression that you would get if you read the 9 11 blogger. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I actually did a little so it sounds like it's coming from the globalists here, right to disseminate it. And then it'll be sent back here in order to kill of illness. Yes, exactly. Now, the I looked into it a little more and I found that the 9 11 blogger isn't like a person. It's a site where a bunch of people can contribute blog posts. Oh, so this post was actually put up just by some guy. Oh, yeah. So it's like it wasn't even some blogger who might have credible standing, which I don't think 9 11 blogger would anyway, doubtful, but it's some like online anonymous contributor to 9 11 blogger. Yeah. So it's even another level of

like nonsense, which is bullshit because at least in 9 11 we knew who the contributors were. Saudi Arabia, the globalist Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Bill Clinton, Larry Nichols. Yeah, for sure. Damon dash. Damon dashed it. Rockefeller records. Absolutely. They're Illuminati related. They're Illuminati adjacent. They did fucking 9 11 just so Jay Z could make a state of mind. He made it before that was after 9 11. No, it was released on 9 11. Not Empire. Oh, no. Yeah, I'm sorry. I was thinking of the blueprint. My bad. In New York. That's never would have flown if New York weren't the victim of a terrorist attack. It was all a cash grab that paid off years later when the keys and Jay Z got together to make Empire State of mind. I'm standing by this.

I'm going to put up a post on 9 11 blogger. Now hold on, but the best thing to come out of that song was whenever it was combined with the bacon pancake song from adventure time. So are you saying that adventure time is really the architect behind adventure time is the metaphorical Saudi Arabia of this conspiracy. Those pages are redacted. I don't know. This is a lot of nonsense. So Jordan, here's where things get ugly because Alex Jones in order, he's got weak shit about this avian flu business. So what he needs to do is he needs to relate it to other narratives that he has and he pitches out. And so he chooses one that's particularly ugly and dark. And this is not going to be fun to talk about, but I think it's very important to in terms of

understanding the way Alex Jones does his dirty work. So in a rating scale of how this is going to go, is this six guns out of 10 guards in the guns in the back of your car? Maybe seven or like it's a seven gun situation. Oh boy. I thought I would go back. You can just Google HIV hepatitis in factor eight into Google and you'll get hundreds of news articles, MSNBC pieces where they admit that Bayer, the big parent company of a bunch of these conglomerates, knowingly for years, and this was ongoing until 2000, all over the world shipped out HIV filled factor eight blood clotting agent that's injected. The media always calls it a vaccine. It really isn't. No, they don't. And it's also filled with hepatitis. And it turned out they knowingly did this and

who was involved in that as well. Baxter Pharmaceutical, the same ones. Now, what's interesting here is the mainstream European press, big newspapers, the Czech Republic and others are saying was this done on purpose to cause a pandemic because Baxter separately is trying to get approval for a bird flu vaccine. So that's not Alex Jones saying that. That's mainstream news in Europe. No, it is 9 11 blogger saying that. Those are at the editorializing on 9 11 blogger that Alex is reporting as Czech media saying these things. Yeah. Now, but who checks the checks? Now real quick, Baxter was, you know, working on a H5N1 vaccine, but they wouldn't actually get approval for it until October of 2009. So the idea that was pitched by his guest on the last

episode, the lady who lost her medical license for being crazy years prior. Yeah. The idea that they had stockpiles of this flu vaccine that they needed to sell. Thus they create this pandemic. It doesn't fly because they didn't get approval until October. Now the idea that they did this in order to get approval for the vaccine that they were creating also doesn't make sense. Because like I said, this all happened at the beginning of February. Alex is reporting on it a month later. They wouldn't get approval for another six months after this. So the idea that they were trying to fast track that somehow doesn't track, like they were already in the process of getting it through. They'd gotten preliminary approvals for the vaccine and it

didn't speed up the process at all. If anything, it probably caused them to have to take slower steps because as we learned from the investigation from the Office of Nuclear Safety in the Czech Republic, one of the things they found was that that AVR green hills was applying pressure to biotest to make things move faster for their research in January of 2001. So the fact that that was part of the conclusions that they found probably led them to have to slow things down a little bit, leading to them getting approval in October of 2009 for the vaccine. So all of that doesn't really make sense. It's just conspiratorial like what if kind of stuff. Right. I have a quick question for you. I got you. Why put HIV and hepatitis in the same... Well, here's the big...

Are those the only viruses he knows? No, but this is where things are going to get real bad. And part of the reason is that Alex is talking about a real thing, but he is really being unfair about it. So in the early 1980s, there was an outbreak of cases of AIDS that appeared to be directly related to the use of blood products, particularly factor eight, which is a clotting factor drug used by hemophiliacs to make it so their blood can clot properly. They have to take injections of this clotting factor usually two to three times a week or else they'll end up with internal bleeding or if they get a cut, it won't stop bleeding. Damn, that's hard. It's very... Like hemophilia is awful. I mean, it's manageable, but like the way you have to manage it is an

intense process. That sucks. I watched a documentary about some of this stuff and then also just the life of hemophiliacs. Right. And like there was a couple that are raising twin hemophiliac children and they were showing like their cabinet that was just full of gauze and syringes. Wow. And the amount you have to really adjust and learn how to find a vein and that stuff, when that isn't something you're expecting as a parent is just like, it really... It got me a little emotional because also the dad was talking about how it's a real treat to raise these kids. And even with all of this very logistical trouble that he's in this documentary and those kids will grow up and see that, it's just very moving. Yeah. That kind of love that you

can see. And we wouldn't even have this problem if it weren't for the inbreeding of the royals in Europe. I don't know if that's necessarily where you could trace it all back to, but certainly those are some of the first cases that are reported. Yeah. But it's possible that a lot of people before that had it died and they just didn't know. Well, yeah. I mean, back then they would have died at like two. Yeah. They would have died in infancy and like they never would have found the internal blood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like there's like that's the case with all of... Could have been vampires though. True. That's the case with all of Alex's like medical woo, which is that idea that like, hey, there's so much more of X, Y and Z now. It's like, well, there was before, we just didn't

know how to trace it. Right. We just didn't know what it was. Right. So drugs such as this factor eight clotting drug, they're made from the human blood and blood products like plasma. In the late 1970s and early 80s, no one understood what AIDS or HIV was and there was no test for it. So plasma and blood collected in that time period could not be screened for something that doctors did not know to look for. Companies looking to make the most profit naturally cut corners. And many of them would resort to collecting plasma from impoverished communities. I agree. Which have a high, the highest incidence of being IV drug users. And in some cases, even from prisoners who also have a very high rate of drug abuse.

So if I understand correctly, bear in order... Not just bear. Not just bear. It's a larger, larger issue. These companies would just take blood from prisoners? I'm sure it was voluntary, but yeah. Yeah, but they... I'm sure they were compensated, but less than... Yeah, really. Yeah. The general population. You're allowed to, you're considered a slave if you're a prisoner. Well, but at the same time, I sell my blood for plasma now. Right. And like, I know from doing this as much as I have, they still target the impoverished. So that part hasn't changed, but... Capitalism is great. But standards and practices have. So as such, a lot of the blood product that was being collected

in the late 70s, early 80s was contaminated with the as yet unidentified HIV. Many hemophiliacs contracted AIDS from their clotting injections. And overall, there's no way to talk about this without being straightforward and saying, this is an absolute tragedy. Once proper testing was available in October of 1984, the CDC was reporting that 74% of hemophilia X-treated with the old version of Factor 8 had tested positive for HIV. Holy fuck. It's a crazy high amount. That is insane.

Where this tragedy becomes compounded is that Cutter Biological, a unit of Bayer, continued selling that version of Factor 8, even though a new safer heat-treated version had become available. They introduced this new version of Factor 8 in February 1984 and did not fully stop selling the old, dangerous version until July 1985. Alex says that it continued through 2000 and that is not correct. Gotta, gotta, gotta make that last little bit of money, guys. Come on. We gotta get rid of all this old Factor 8. Who cares? But you have to understand some of this context. I'm gonna go over this.

This might be a little bit too exhaustive. And I want to say up front, I am not a foremost scholar on the AIDS crisis or anything like that. I read a bunch of reports from the National Institutes of Health, some contemporary reports. It's all some of the darkest, saddest stuff I've ever read. Yeah. Yeah. But- And Reagan made it so much better. It, see, now this is part of what I'm talking about.

Alex, when he talks about this Factor 8 scandal, there's a number of important things he's intentionally leaving out, which are big parts of the context. The first is that companies, of which Bayer is particularly at fault, but Baxter International is in the mix too. They did ship these potentially tainted blood products out with foreknowledge. But Alex is playing fast and loose about what they might have had foreknowledge of. One of the things that has to be understood is that the time period Alex is discussing, when blood product from people with HIV was being used to make Factor 8,

was when Reagan was in office. He was president through pretty much the entire 1980s, which is when the AIDS crisis was at its most tragic. And one of the things that made it worse was that Reagan was someone who was staunchly opposed to any governmental regulation, including ones related to public health. So he was resistant to putting things in place that would have helped mitigate the damage that was being done. He was also a giant homophobe. Sure. But make no mistake, even if everything was done perfectly,

some of these people would still have been infected. Yeah, of course. Just because of the lack of awareness and maybe naivete on the part of people before they knew what the problem was. Right. So further, it should be noted that the cause of AIDS was not known for years after the medical community began researching it. From a June 24, 1983 publication from the National Institutes of Health, quote, the cause of AIDS is unknown, but it seems most likely to be caused by an

agent transmitted by intimate sexual contact through contaminated needles or less commonly by pre-cutaneous inoculation of infected blood or blood products. So even there in June of 1983, they're saying they don't know, but it looks like this is what it is. So that is important because that means that there is not a consensus. That means that there are people who are holding out and saying, I don't know if we've proved that. Right. So and not like we have today where there's the deniers, the HIV deniers, people like that. It's large sections of the legitimate medical community are still not convinced.

Well, they weren't convinced that women had orgasms back then either. So sure. And they called them hysterical. Yeah. Even once the medical community figured out that this was the primary means for transmission, even in the National Institute of Health's May 10, 1985 release, they highlight another issue, quote, because the time from infection to onset may be several years, persons exposed to the virus through transfusion become or before institution of the self-deferential guidelines for blood donors in 1983 and screening of blood for antibody in 1985 may remain at risk of AIDS.

Before 1983, there were no standards in place regarding blood donation. It was a further two years after that, the donation centers implemented screenings. Right. So in 1983, what they ended up doing was like voluntary questions that they'll ask people. Yeah. To be like, oh, are you in a high risk population? Right. There's two years after that before they started screening their actual donors.

And since you're going into impoverished communities, giving them small amounts of money to do this. Which they need. You know for sure that they would never ever lie to you on those voluntary questionnaire. Those questions are like, they're on the honor system, which isn't a way to do this. No. And that's why now they don't. I mean, they do still ask you those questions in case there are red flags.

Like, did you get a new tattoo or something like that? But they also test your blood. Exactly. They run extensive tests now. One of the main reasons that society at large didn't take this crisis seriously is that initially it was only affecting the gay community, who at the time were much more marginalized than they are today. Early on, the disease was called grid or gay related immunodeficiency disease.

And as late as June 1982, doctors were speculating that, quote, behavioral elements of the homosexual lifestyle were the cause, even suggesting that the disease might be caused by use of amyl nitrates or poppers. When hemophiliacs and others who had received blood transfusions, some as young as 20 months of age, began to present with the disease, some doctors started to make that connection. Others felt that because the number of transfusion related AIDS cases were so small compared to the number of people who received transfusions, it was more likely that these cases were caused by an unrelated immune system suppression related to their existing conditions.

Right. On being a hemophiliac makes you gay. No, no, no. Oh, is that not it? You may be mixed up a little bit. Oh, I mixed it up. Okay. Sorry.

On January 4th, 1983, the CDC held a public meeting to discuss opportunities to limit infections. They discussed how blood banks should ask donors questions about their sexual behavior and run the blood through tests for things like hepatitis B antibodies, since there was no test for AIDS at the time. And there seemed to be a correlation between hepatitis and AIDS. Gotcha. So they felt like it would be a good screen to test for something that they did have a test for.

Which is also something that's far more common in the impoverished communities where they are You bet. Getting these donations from. You bet. And that's one of the reasons that the Blood Bank Association was like, that's probably not a good idea. That will make us have no donors. Right.

So many at the meeting were not convinced that AIDS was a blood-borne disease yet and resisted these suggestions. Additionally, quote, Dennis Donahue, director of the FDA's Division of Blood and Blood Products, stated that research on processes for inactivating viruses in blood products was underway. Donahue was hoping to find a way to get virus and blood products to be safe as opposed to making the existing blood supply free of viruses, which is the definition of backwards thinking.

But it is something that they ended up doing with pretty decent results. So they wanted, so he was saying that we're going to make this better in the future, but all the stuff we already got, that's still good. Well, no. Just put it in the refrigerator and we'll use it some other time. No, it's not quite that way. There's a heat treatment that they were able to do on new samples that came through. They couldn't do it with the stuff that had already been processed.

You'd have to do the heat treatment on the constituent parts of the ingredients into the factor A as opposed to the factor A once it's already combined. So they did find a... I like to heat a little bit of garlic up whenever I put it in there too. They did find that that was a way that they could get around the fact that they didn't have a test screening for what they were trying to keep out of the supply. And so that helped in the short term. But then once there were tests, they...

Anyway, in early 1984, HIV was discovered and hypothesized as the causal agent of AIDS. And by the middle of 1985, all blood banks and plasma centers implemented early screening tests. However, in October 1984, the CDC announced that the laboratory experiment showed that heat treatment process inactivated HIV. So there was a little bit of period there where that was the solution. People knew and they didn't change. So in 2003, a New York Times article came out about how Bayer and their subsidiary, Cutter Biological, sold millions of dollars worth of clotting factor

to Asia and Latin American countries in the early 1980s. Right. They did that. Gotcha. While selling a newer, safer product in the West. Well, you got to get rid of the old shit. Now, this gets super complicated. Bayer, speaking on behalf of Cutter, commented to the New York Times, quote, Cutter had continued to sell the old medicine, that statement said, because some customers doubted the new drugs effectiveness,

and because some countries were slow to approve its sale. The company also said that a shortage of plasma used to make the medicine had kept Cutter from manufacturing more of the new product. Quote, decisions made nearly two decades ago were based on the best scientific information of the time and were consistent with the regulations in place, the statement said. As it relates to regulations, that's probably a fair point. And to the point of fears about the effectiveness about, is absolutely something that's backed up by history.

Yeah. From an article in the Irish Times, quote, fractionators, that's blood product manufacturers, were more fearful in 1984 of side effects caused by a heat treatment process that killed HIV than of the virus itself. A senior British fractionator said yesterday, Dr. James Smith told the inquiry that their dominant fear then was that heat treated products might cause a dangerous thrombogenetic reaction in patients. This position gradually changed from mid 1984, he said.

But thrombogenicity remained a major consideration into 1985, so much so that British fractionators even delayed the release of a heat treated concentrate until the completion of clinical trials. So there is reason to believe, to some extent, that people were hesitant to adopt this new safer version. Right. Now, I don't care necessarily about that argument, because the documents that have come out of Cutter's internal workings

do show a bit of a callousness to the idea of like, let's see if we can find markets that'll still buy this old stuff. Because there are many elements at play here, but this was never an intentional attempt to infect people with AIDS. The largest part of the story is unregulated capitalism with a background of a tragic public health crisis that was being worsened by a Republican administration who was reluctant to implement regulation.

This is a human tragedy that really, really, really, really, really bummed me out reading about. I stopped short of calling it evil, but it's pretty evil. It's evil. It's pretty evil, but the beginnings of it aren't. No. The beginnings of it are ignorance. Right.

And then once you know about it, you have to change your behavior. And instead, they just sold, they knew that some of it not only could cause HIV, but would. I'm not defending that at all. So they sent it to other places, and then they sold the stuff that wouldn't cause HIV here. I'm not defending that at all, and I'm not saying that it's okay, I think. And they ended up having to pay like 600 million in settlements

to people, which still isn't nearly enough, I believe. But I think they should be punished quite harshly. But at the same time, I think just based on us being interested in finding out where Alex is lying and where the truth is of stuff, I think it's pretty important to recognize that there was plausible deniability, to a certain extent, of medical ignorance. The idea that they kept selling it into July 1985 is fucked up. But there is an argument to be made that they could find scientists

and doctors who weren't crazy, who disputed the idea that their blood products could cause HIV. Right. So I don't, you know what, I don't know what to do with it, except to say, this is the reality of the situation. This is what happened. It's awful, it hurt and killed a lot of people. The reason it wasn't taken more seriously

is the marginalization of the homosexual community and the bottom line, dollars. Yeah. And the lack of regulation, that's all, that's the base of this story. And Alex using it to be like justifying his idea that the globalists are going to set off a bio weapon because they gave all these people AIDS in the 80s, is not fair. This is a tragedy and he's trying to capitalize off it

in a way that's deeply disrespectful to the people who hurt the most. I don't know, I just, I deeply resent Alex's use of this, this thing. And when you look into it and you hear the people talk about their experience, because there's this documentary, there's a guy named Dana Kuhn who is in this documentary called Blood Brothers. And he's someone, he's a doctor, he's probably actually just,

he's a PhD, so not a medical doctor, but he is a hemophiliac who ended up getting AIDS from his injections, his clotting factor. Holy shit. And so he had, he has a quote in this documentary that I thought was really poignant. So we believe that hemophiliacs are the canaries in the coal mine of the blood supply. As soon as something goes wrong with the blood supply,

we're the first ones who will show evidence of it. We're a warning system for the American people. And as soon as they see something happen in the hemophilia community, they better be aware that it's going to happen to the entire American public that is using blood. So I think that that's probably the best way to look at this, in terms of this was something that was an unforeseen

tragedy that was born out of people not knowing. And then resisting knowing much longer than they should have. Yeah, the story of humanity. But again, this is so important and it's not letting these companies off the hook. They're absolutely responsible. But we're looking at this from a 2018 viewpoint. We're looking at it through the scientific knowledge

and the being raised largely in a period of time where we understood a lot more. And when you have a situation like you had in the early 80s, there's a lot of up and down about it, if that's okay to say. If that's not okay to say. But there's a lot of things that aren't known. And this is where it's so difficult

because I don't believe that these companies acted in good faith. I don't think that they did. I think they wanted to sell off these supplies of things that they knew. They didn't want to just destroy it. They didn't want to have to write off a huge warehouse. Exactly. But at the same time, had the science been concrete

and really understood as it is now, I don't think that they would have acted this way. You know what I think they would want to, but I don't think they would because there are also regulations in place now. They totally would if they could. Probably. But again, there's the added aspect of this

that goes to a car that has a defect that'll cause X amount of deaths. They do the equations of how much will a recall cost, how much will settling cases cost. Yeah, exactly. And I think that a lot of businesses went allowed to behave that way do. This is another example of it,

but it's just much, much, much more depressing and much sadder. And with such awful consequences for families because these are people in cultures, like I was reading about in Taiwan, there were a bunch of people who ended up getting HIV from the clotting factor. And in the culture, they were blamed for getting this disease.

It would break up families because people were not taking like the parents of these people who got it would think there's something wrong with their kid. And like, it's just such a tragedy. So that was a really dark bit of research that I did, but I think it's very important because Alex does bring up this factor 8 stuff a lot. And his narrative is wrong, but the story is real.

And that's always an unfortunate place to come with Alex, where you have to be like, well, yeah, that did happen, but you're not looking at the picture. You're only looking at what you want to look at. City on a Hill, Dan. Reagan was one of our greatest presidents. Shining City on a Hill, Dan. I don't want to talk more about this narrative,

but I have one more clip from it, and I'm just going to ignore it. It's Alex saying that factor 8 that was tainted was still being shipped until 2000. It wasn't. They stopped in July 1985. He has nothing to back that up, just an assertion that he's making.

Yeah. He's reading this article and he's saying that this is an article in the New York Times that came out in 1996. So he has a problem with that. If this article came out in 1996, do you think that there's still going to be doing it for four years after that?

I don't think so. That's nonsense. So he just makes shit up. It's crazy. He says that most cancer is viral, which isn't true. It's like 16% of cancers are rooted in viruses. I didn't know that. Yeah.

It's like HPV can cause cervical cancer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 16% of all cancers. That's the accepted statistic as far as I can find. Huh. Yeah, but Alex says it's almost all, and that's the dirty secret. Is that the dirty?

I don't know why that would be a dirty secret. I mean, wouldn't that just be, since you don't know that, wouldn't that just be a regular secret? Well, it's a dirty secret because that's why they want to give you the vaccines that are tainted. Oh, because they have the viruses that give you cancer.

Right. Now I got you. Yeah. That would be a dirty secret. Yep. So at this point, we'll jump off this narrative. I apologize for everyone that we had to talk about that, but we did.

And towards the end of this episode, Alex Jones sits down for an hour long interview with, Oh no. Pastor to the stars. No. Lindsay Williams. No. Lindsay Williams is back.

Nope. He, of course, is the guy who was a chaplain on an oil, Derek, and because of that says, Hard pass, Dan. No, this is good. This is actually, this is actually pretty funny. Okay. There's a real like sort of roller coaster

that his appearance goes on. Because again, he just constantly says like, everybody, I plead of you, believe everything Alex Jones says. He's doing a really, his standard buttering up Alex. And so here, here is where he begins his narrative. But I guess as a result of you knowing that for the past 35 years, the elite have told me things.

You allowed me on your show to tell you, because I had a contact from them eight months ago and was told everything that the elite plan to do in the world for the next year to a year and a half. And it has happened exactly like they said it. He has perfect predictions because they all come from the elite. Now, when he says the elite, it's important to point this out.

If you read John Birch Society stuff and if you read Nundare Collet Conspiracy, the elites and the insiders are the terms that he uses and they use for the globalists. So globalists is kind of a later permutation of the term, but they mean the same thing. Gotcha. So he's saying that he has stayed in contact with these elites

and told him how everything is going to play out for the next year. Didn't they know he's on the show? You bet he does. Why would they call him now? Well, here, this next clip, it's a little bit long, but I beg of you, Jordan, listen to every word. Okay, all right, all right, dad.

This is so funny because to me, this clip explains why these elites are still talking to him, but also it's nowhere close to true. Everything that I've ever been told by them, I have told it to the world. And a few times I've been contacted and they've said, Chaplin, you're saying too much and you're going to have to back off. If you don't, we're going to have to take action.

Well, that's exactly what happened back eight months ago. One of them called me. This is the second time this has happened in 35 years. This gentleman I had not seen for about 25 years. I know who he is. He's 82 years of age now, but once you become a part of them, you never get away from it. And he said, Chaplin, you've got to quit saying certain things.

You're talking too much and you're getting us in trouble. And if you don't quit, we're going to have to take action. And by the way, for those of you who don't know, your video, as viral as Loose Change, the most downloaded film in internet history, it was number one on Google Video for six, seven months with millions of views a day. So that's why they called you.

It was international sensation. The info you've been telling us for myself 13 years finally got a lot of attention. So they call you up. They threaten you continue. Yes. And what you said was not too pleasant. And I remember very well that John F. Kennedy, the president of the United States of America,

decided one day he'd buck the elite, change over the currency and do away with the Federal Reserve. Well, it didn't take long for him to get shot. So it was no sense in the world and me arguing with them. I talked with the gentleman a few minutes, agreed to pull my video real quick. Just a pause for a second. He has more to say.

But what you have here is Lindsey Williams getting a call from the globalists who are like, you're saying too much. You need to calm down. So he does. He goes along with what the globalists tell him to do. Yeah. If Alex Jones is like this truth teller

who's bold and fighting the globalist, I don't know if he really wants to be associated with someone who gets a call from the globalist. It's like, you bet. You bet. I'll take down my video and my website. Sorry about that. We can't all be fighters for truth, Dan.

Well, he's presenting Lindsey as one and he's fucking not. Well, he's a fighter for truth, but he's a, you know, discretion is the better part of valor. That's a good point. He wants to survive long enough to keep fighting for truth. True, true. There's always another video, Dan. Lowercase t-truth here, for sure.

Redo it, agreed to shut down my website, which you won't find it there any longer. But that's not the important thing. The important part is what I can do in helping you who are listening to this program today know everything that the elite told me for the next year and a year and a half that they plan to do because after this gentleman and I came to agreement,

he said, now, Chaplain, if you'll do these little things, he said, we'll let you alone. Let you go ahead and talk like you want to. Well, at that point, I asked him, I decided I'd be friendly. I said, how's your family, your wife, where have you been living since I saw you 25 years ago? He became quite polite. And at that point, I began asking him questions.

And for 45 minutes time, he talked with me on the phone. Now, if you can imagine, Alex, again, I must say, I put on my britches just like you do every morning. This is a former CEO of one of the big five old companies, but go ahead. Yeah, and he was talking with me on the phone and he said, this is what we're going to do. Now, that was when crude oil was $147 a barrel.

And actually, it had 150 to be 10. Go ahead. Good work, Alex. There's no way in this world that it was going to come down to $50 a barrel, but he said to me, it's coming down to $50 a barrel. He said, the price of gasoline at the gas pump is going to $1.50 to $2 a gallon.

He said, and I said, why are you going to do this? He said, we're going to do it for the purpose of bankrupting OPEC model. OK, so in this phone call, it opens with him getting a phone call and the guy's like, hey, you better shut up or we're going to kill you. And then because he's polite, because Lindsay is polite, the guy then continues to tell him the plan.

Yeah. Did he get outsmarted by kindness? Yeah, Lindsay Williams is a crafty manipulator of globalists. Don't you say a word or we're going to kill you. We're going to crash oil. Also, yeah, my family's doing well. Here are our plans for the next one to two years. We're going to take out OPEC.

We're going to drop the price of oil and bankrupt a ton of people, specifically Alex Jones. I could see someone who was friendly with an oil executive having a conversation with him and them saying, there's no way this price is going to hold. It's going to go down to $50 a barrel. But that's just a prediction of market trends. That's not a, we're going to make it go down to $50 a barrel.

I could kind of believe, if he wasn't just such an outright liar, I could kind of believe that he had a conversation with someone and it went like that. And then he decided to editorialize saying, we're doing it to take down OPEC. That's Lindsay Williams' creation of this conversation where the guy is like, this is going to fall out. The bottom's falling out.

It can't, because that's an outrageously inflated price that oil was at. So I believe that, but then the rest of that is such horseshit. That's like a bad movie. Like it's the telling of a tall tale for sure. I called this guy, he threatened me. I asked him about his family and then he was like, his guard was down and then I found out everything

that's going to happen for the next year. So I can tell you, isn't that like going to get you another phone call? You would think. And maybe like revealing on air that you've done bamboozled the globalists. Maybe they aren't going to give you a chance next time, Lindsay, shouldn't that be part of your consideration?

If you're like, oh, JFK got killed for going up against them, but I'm going to use information I clandestinely got from this phone call on the Alex Jones show. He just described a James Bond villain's monologue that allows Bond to formulate a plan to defeat him. Except Bond didn't say, how's your family? Yeah, well, Bond could have said that. That's true.

They're cut scenes. We don't see everything in real time. So now let's pretend. From Russia with Love was a lot of polite conversation that they cut from the final movie. So let's pretend that he's not lying, which is very hard to do. But let's pretend he did have this conversation.

Now let's see what his prediction is. Let's see what the globalists told him. Because again, this is not a prediction. This is him saying what the globalists told him they were going to do. It's not random happenstance. It's this is the plan. So if this is wrong, he's making shit up.

Let's see if he's wrong. Mark my words, you are going to see six months, nine months, maximum one year from now, a total complete collapse of the United States dollar and the economic system in this country. Prepare yourself for it. I was told by one of the insiders themselves that it's going to happen.

And you can depend on the fact now. No, it did not happen. It actually already did happen. And we were in a recovery. Yeah. Again, because of the stimulus that Alex is so against. But that makes sense, actually, for him to be against the thing that would fix the problem,

because that doesn't help him sell gold. Yeah, that's true. Panic and people being fucking sad. Yeah. So that's a bad prediction. Lindsay's wrong. It didn't happen. No other way to slice that.

If the globalists told him that, they're either pranking him. Or he's making this up. Which sounds likely. If I was the globalist, on a bad day, you're like, shit, what am I going to do? I don't feel like being a globalist anymore. I'm just struggling. Oh, you know what I'll do?

I will call up Lindsay Williams, and I will threaten him. And I will tell him all kinds of random ass shit. And it's going to be hilarious to watch it disseminate through that whole network of idiots. I want to scare Alex Jones, but I can't do it directly. I'll call the chaplain. So he has another bad prediction in this next clip. And then he does what he does best, which is kiss Alex's ass.

You think this is bad. You wait till six to nine months from now, folks. And it's not going to stop until we arrest the bankers. It's not going to stop until we take our country back. You're exactly right. And it's going to be programs like yours that see it brought back. Because the only thing that these people fear

is the masses waking up. And that's what you're doing for them, Alex. OK. Alex, you're going to save the country. You're the only type of program that's going to be able to do it, because the globalists only fear you waking people up. You are the best.

And we have one more clip. And it's the perfect punchline to all of this. Let's see what Lindsey Williams is really about. You want to comment on stage terror, stage biological weapons releases by the league? Logically, I beg of you. My 8 DVD set, which I didn't even talk about a moment ago, one of them is entitled Vaccinations

and deals with the problem this gentleman just called in about again. I beg of you, 800-321-2900. And one of the DVDs on my big 8-pack concerns that. OK. You should not sell an 8-pack of DVDs. That's a lot of DVDs. That's a lot of it.

Boy. That reminds me of a Rappaport. He sells like 10 DVD sets. Yeah, that's just too much overhead, man. It's that one DVD. I'm sure he's just burning them at home. Not much overhead, but high expense to the consumer. That ain't cheap.

8 DVD sets from propagandists. And the other thing about that is, because he's talking about the, I know about what the next year is going to bring. There's an immediacy to it. He's really trying to push these DVDs. So of course, I mean, Lindsey Williams is on selling his hot bullshit.

And all of it is, is a prelude to his, you need to buy these DVDs. And of course, Alex's avian flu slash factor 8 sort of narratives weave in perfectly. Because lo and behold, Lindsey Williams has one of those 8 DVDs that's about this. Selling anti-vaccination fear through lying. So that's this episode.

You know, it boggles my mind whenever they do wind up saying something that is true in the opposite direction. Like when they say the only thing these people fear is the populace rising up and waking up, they do when the left does it. Right. Like they really hate that shit.

But Nazis were allowed to rise and take over. And now. Everybody's fine. Not everybody. Not everybody's fine with it, but that's what they're most afraid of. Every time. Like what do we see?

What do we see the cops doing? They're monitoring, you know, anti-fascists. Right. They're not monitoring the Nazis, because the Nazis are like to the left and right of them. They're standing right there monitoring the anti-fascists with them. But the reason that that is the case

is that the power structure doesn't really care about the idea of like fascists coming in. Because fascists love power. So the whole game is really the same. It's just how awful is it going to be? For the citizenry. Right. But speaking in terms of America, yeah, why the fuck

would anyone who loves power care a fascist jump in? Exactly. Then you just become a fascist and become a part of it, and you get even more power. Yeah. I'm an oligarch. Why wouldn't I want to be raised up to like Duke? I'd be fine with Duke.

Yeah. But then there, but that's the thing. If people wake up the way that they think that they're supposed to, the way that Alex thinks that they're supposed to. All it does is lead to fascism. Everybody's fine. No, no, no, no, I mean, I mean.

Because Alex's people rising up legitimately means militias coming into effect, more Oklahoma City bombing type of events, which leads to a crackdown and militarization of police. The mentality that Alex Jones sort of puts out into the world actually precipitates the things that his rhetoric is against. Exactly. Which is why I'm saying that when

he says the elites are afraid of us rising up, that's the exact opposite of what is true. Well, it's because that's what he imagines the elites are. He has this warped vision in his head of this leftist, communist, socialist, you know, it's all a charade in order to get you into an authoritarian state. This complete blindside as to what he's helping create.

And has helped create. Congratulations, Alex. And has created. Your career has come to fruition accidentally. Or maybe that was your point all along. Who fucking knows? I think maybe subconsciously it was. Anyway, Jordan, this is the end of this episode.

A little bit shorter, but I think one of the reasons is because I had to read a lot of NIH documents and stuff like that. And it was really emotionally exhausting. So I cut it off here. I felt like that might take us longer to get through than it did. But anyway, suffice it to say, this is just bad. This March 2009 period for Alex is like of the worst

stuff I've heard. We're dealing with a lot of real weird stuff. But it's super interesting to me that here we are. He's still not talking about the Tea Party at all. He's really not. He's kind of dropped the 10th Amendment narrative that he was going on through almost all of February. He hasn't brought that up in a couple episodes.

So it's interesting to see he's established that 10th Amendment thing to the point where now he can bring it back at any point. And now what he's doing is he's laying the groundwork of this avian flu. They're trying to kill you in the vaccines narrative in the same way. So he can bring that back whenever he wants down the road. So it's very interesting to see the structure

of this sort of propaganda and how it works. But it also leads me to believe, I have no fucking idea what's going to happen in the next week in 2009. I have no idea where he's going. It's a mess. Yeah. So we'll find out.

Well, you've got to lay a lot of narratives in advance for, I don't know, like the host of Singled Out coming out as Anti-Vex. You've got to have that in your back pocket just in case. Oh, you don't remember? No, I'd forgotten that Jenny McCarthy was the co-host. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remembered like Carmen Electra was,

but I forgot that Jenny was originally. Oh, yeah. Anyway, Jordan's brings us to the end of this episode. But we have a website. People can check out. We do have a website. KnowledgeFight.com. Indeed.

We're probably on the Twitter. Yep, at knowledge underscore fight. You can go to Facebook. Yep, we have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. And you can go to iTunes. We're there. You can leave a review?

Yeah, that'd be nice. Also, just to blanket apology, if anyone feels like I gave short shrift to the HIV AIDS crisis, I apologize that I didn't, you know, we didn't deal with it holistically in the big picture. But I think some of that is because it doesn't fit all of it into the narrative that we're talking about. Right.

But I want to make sure people understand that if you felt that way, I apologize. I don't think that what we talked about did serve us to how bad a lot of the policies at the time were. Yeah, it was a tragedy of Republicans making that will apparently never affect them in a negative way. Probably not.

Yep. So anyway, I don't know, man. Alex Jones probably killed a beard. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

I love you.