Knowledge Fight - #215: March 11-12, 2009

Episode Date: October 12, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the March 11th and 12th, 2009 episodes of The Alex Jones Show. These are an epic couple days in Occupied Texas, as Alex finally gets around to releasing The Obama Deception (or does he?). As if that wasn't enough, he spends a lot of time explaining how he owns "his women," then receives a mysterious classified document that will become a huge part of his mythology moving forward.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Hey, Dan. Yes, sir. How's it going in Skyrim? I actually haven't played in quite a while. You haven't played since you were sick? No. When I was sick, I played a bit and like is always the case whenever I play, I just end up running around, gathering things, and then trying to build my house. I know. You're so into building your house and

absolutely not into building your character, Dan. I'm not really so much into... Oh, that's a metaphor. Maybe it is. I'm not so into a lot of the... I find the quest stuff of it kind of boring because I know it ultimately leads to the end of you do X, Y, and Z tasks and then that story's done. Whereas if I build my house, I can keep tweaking things. I don't know. I don't know. All right. Let's not worry about that. You could say I'm playing the game wrong if you want. Do you know who is building our house, Dan? People I'd like to give a special thank you to. There it is. Some of our donors. Like I say, Jordan, today I'd like to start things off by thanking somebody who bumped their pledge up a little bit and we appreciate it also very much.

Kyle, you are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Jar Jar Minx has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser, little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much, Kyle. Thank you very much, Kyle. We appreciate it also very much. Also, we appreciate someone who joined up with the team and got on board. We appreciate that very much. Thank you so much, Jacob. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Jacob. Thank

you very much, Jacob. But watch out for Esau. He's coming. Oh, no. Esau is right around the corner. And because we did this backwards and went with the technocrat first, might as well keep the trend going. Someone else who has just joined up with the team. We thank you so much. Eric, you are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Eric. Thank you very much. Eric with a K. Eric with a K. How cool. That is kind of cool. We appreciate all of you also very much. If you would like to support the show, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click that support the show button. We would appreciate it very much. And people are coming on board and we are, you know, I have to announce that we are very close to reaching our goal that will make us

have to do another documentary. Oh, God damn it. So I put up a poll on our Facebook group, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant where the bewonks out there get to vote on what documentary we're going to break down. Uh huh. It looks like it's going to be the Obama deception. Oh, no. I don't 100% want to do that. And I'll say one of the reasons why is that there are such good resources online that already debunk it. So for me, it wouldn't be nearly as much digging. I could use those resources and it wouldn't be as much of an exercise of look at this dumb shit I found. Right. So that would be kind of unsatisfying. But those resources don't have anybody screaming and making dick jokes in the background. So there is that there's still value

in what we could bring to the table. But in second place is a police state for the rise of FEMA. Wait, what is that? Is that the name of it or was there police state one through three? There was police state one through three, but I think the first one was actually police state 2000 and then police state two. I don't remember what the subtitle of that one was. Three is total enslavement. Total enslavement. And then four is the rise of FEMA. So that is boy, that seems that seems backwards, right? Shouldn't the rise of FEMA come before total enslavement? You would think. So there's a, there's another possibility. It's a dark horse. It's Alex's last documentary that I think might be fun to do. It's called strategic relocation. It's all about like bugging

out and like doomsday prepping. Oh, okay. So getting, getting your bag together and at the drop of a hat, you can move to your bunker in the middle of nowhere. Having a strategy for relocation. I like that. I like that idea. It could be a lot of fun. One of the problems with it also could educate us a lot right there. We might need a bug out bag at a soon point. Yeah. One intrinsic problem with it though, is that it's really just a really long interview with Joel Scousen, one of Alex's, uh, yeah. And so it would be unsatisfying on that level, but I think as like a topic, it would be maybe more interesting than a lot of the other stuff that kind of overlaps with stuff we talk about all the time. So what kind of research would be,

would you be able to do into, uh, it might just be, be talking about, uh, uh, Joel Scousen and his uncle, uh, Cleon Scousen, his uncle's name is Cleon. Yep. And W. Cleon Scousen. His uncle's name is W. Cleon Scousen. Yeah. Holy shit. He wrote a number of books that are really, uh, influential in the like birch world. Are you sure it wasn't a robber baron in the 1910s? He might as well have been, I mean, he wrote, uh, like the naked capitalist and the naked communist and they're like books that are really, really inspirational for Alex's worldview and all that. And a little sexy, a little bit. Yeah. It might be interesting to get into those. Those are the three that I'm kind of like, I think, uh, uh, are worth it as opposed to like, I don't want to

do fucking loose change. Alex didn't even direct that. He just produced it. Yeah. I don't want to do like nine 11 road to tyranny because then we're just going to, I don't want to talk about nine 11 for eight hours. I do want to talk about nine 11. I don't, I've always wanted to talk about nine 11. Look, it is, uh, look, it's been long enough. Sure. Where we can make eight hours of nine 11 jokes and it'll be fine. That's not the issue that I have. I just, I think a monochromatic, uh, episode of like the documentary, the length of what the episode would end up being is like long. If you just have one topic, I don't know how fun that's going to be. All right. I think that there's going to be a little bit of like, Oh, I love steak. I don't want that much steak. Okay.

Too much steak. All right. That sort of thing. I don't know. That's just the feeling I have, but voting is open on go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Our group on Facebook. And so if you want to check that out and get your votes in, uh, you can do it. All right. So let's see what happens, Dan. Yes. So Jordan, today, what we're doing is we are back in the past. Oh, thank God. Yeah. I feel like, uh, what happened to us at the beginning of the week is one of the difficulties of present day Alex business. And that is that the consequences of it are so immediate and it feels much worse because the things that he's saying have an immediate effect on our immediate future and the things that he's being a real shithead about are

actually abusive to our present and our future. Yeah. People we care about future. And so it, it, uh, it's hard to take an emotional distance from that. And I think that makes things a little less fun sometimes for me. Yeah. And so, uh, it's good to be back in the past. I'm very excited about this today. We'll be going over March 11th and 12th, 2009. And man, I cannot tell you how crazy it is that every fucking time I sit down and listen to a 2009 episode, I'm like, all right, I know what's going to happen. I listened to the last episode. He's going to be talking about bird flu again. And every time I'm fucking surprised because I don't know what's going to happen. One day he might be pretending he's going to release the Obama deception on air that day.

Right. Right. Maybe he's going to review Watchman. I don't know what he's going to do. It's entirely possible. This is no exception. I was caught entirely off guard by what ends up happening on the March 11th and 12th episodes. And here is an out of context drop. You sound incredible when somebody has a name like shoe on head. We have to confirm it. Yep. Yeah, you do. It's W shoe on head. Thank you very much. He has a caller who calls it some big news story and his name is shoe on head. You sound credible, but we are going to have to look into shoe on head. Please don't take offense to this. Yeah. I've been burned by people with silly names before. And frankly, I thought Buckethead

wasn't real. Yeah. So today he's going to drop a police state five back in the habit. Police state five shoes go on feet. So in a very interesting turn of events today, well, this part isn't interesting. We're going to start with March 11th. Okay. Not interesting at all. All right. That's linear. That's how we do things. But it is interesting that on March 11th, Alex actually starts the show by talking about news. There's something that happened overnight before this. And it's very unlike Alex to start the show actually talking about something people might care about. Yeah. Get ready for more mass shootings all across the world. As the bankers attempted this arm, the few slaves would still

have firearms. They've been saying this was coming. That's not the news. You know that chimpanzee a few weeks ago, it was on a serotonin reup take inhibitor. This is also not the news. This is not the news. All the bankers are going to try and take our guns away and that's going to cause mass shootings. And let me tell you something. That chimpanzee, he was taken some fucking SSRI. Yep. And that is another, that's another thread. We're going to have to work on that any which way, but SSRI in the Prozac family. And it had a bad trip and started tearing people's faces off. We're going to rip the ladies jaw face off. And in about 99% of the cases of monkeys, I mean, I've only seen out of hundreds of cases, a few where they were not

on serotonin reup take inhibitors. I haven't caught out anything. Alex is having real serious problems with pronoun reference because he's saying that immediately after talking about a chimpanzee attacking somebody. Yeah. So it would lead you to believe 99% of the time chimpanzees attack people. They're on SSRI. That's not what he's saying. He's talking about shootings. He's talking about mass shootings. So he just jumped in the middle with no con just a non sequitur. Did you know that like every chimpanzee when it gets to like eight rips faces off? Like that's their thing. Because it's seven, they get put on Prozac. The Prozac family. And I'll bet you that probably both of these men had been seeing

psychiatrists or psychologists, the mass shooting in Alabama last night, the mass shooting killing 16 in Germany that just ended with the government conveniently being killed. Wait, conveniently? And it doesn't have to be a government mind control operation because copycats are going to hear about this and the media advertises the place to go when you're having a bad day on your Prozac is a school and you go there and you shoot people. The media super advertising. See the entire class of drugs known as serotonin reuptake inhibitors puts you into an hallucinogenic dream world state. That's I really don't think that's true. No, that's unfair to science and also just this,

you know, we talk about it all the time, this sort of marginalization and othering of people who try and get help with emotional distress, mental health issues is just so ugly to look at, especially on this week that in the middle of it was World Mental Health Day. Yeah, hate to see this sort of rhetoric coming out of a ding dong like Alex. But you know, what we have here is Alex jumping the gun and like announcing that he's sure that these people were on SSRI drugs. Right. And then even in that declaration, he's qualifying it to say I bet they maybe saw a psychologist, which I mean, that's the safest bet in the world is that someone who ends up going on a violent streak probably had some sort of an issue that

they may have tried to seek out help for unsuccessfully or they stopped seeking help or they should have been seeking help. Right. And even a lot of people who don't get the help they need make efforts at certain points. So if you have somebody who commits a violent crime like this, almost always you're going to see in their past some sort of interaction with mental health services. And that doesn't mean that mental health services in any way caused them to become violent. But that's the inference that Alex is trying to make, which is one of many incredibly shoddy logical leaps that he makes in this episode. It's going to be a mess. I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly, the saying is correlation equals causation.

Isn't that what people say? Yeah. Yeah. Like it's always a one to one. Yeah. So I would say, and this, I know this because I've read the math and I'm 99% correct all the time. All the time. Most of these mass shooters have eaten McDonald's before in their life. True. So one to one. Hold on to that level of like sort of deductive reasoning because it's going to come in real handy towards the end of this episode. That sort of real shoddy attempt to the syllogism is going to come into play. All right. So this sort of rhetoric is especially dangerous because Alex is talking about how these people are mentally ill and they're, you know, they're all wacky, you know, that sort of thing. And it would be bad enough if he was just trying to other them or,

you know, create some sort of societal shame about mental health. Yeah. That would be bad enough on its own. But the reason that it's even worse is he says things like this. And they are moving against the Second Amendment. The fact that this nation is a mix of good, hardworking, intelligent, dynamic, inventive, people full of ingenuity. But there's also a lot of spoiled, rotten, mentally ill scum hopped up on every different type of Prozac hopped up on illegal drugs. And that's all the more reason that we should all have firearms. I mean, I have one right here in my studio because some nut comes around here. I'm not going to get down on my knees and say, please, please don't blow my brains out. I'm

going to defend myself like my forefathers did. Now, what more children died an average year of football accidents. You can pull those numbers up. But a lot of mainstream articles written about that over the years, then die in shootings. I'm going to go with no hundreds of times that people die in car wrecks. Last time I looked in the World Almanac, it was 12 times as many people die from drowning. Do we ban swimming? Here's the problem with this sort of rhetoric. Drowning. Drowning. Here's the problem with this line of thinking. And I don't care to go and look into the statistics because who cares? I'll accept that he's right about all that. Sure. Here's why this is a more serious problem. No one has mass drowned school children at school. You can't do

that. You can't mass like you don't outlaw swimming because there's, you know, it's not an attack. Swimming isn't an attack. Most of the time, whenever there's drowning, it's people who are like caught in a riptide or something like that. Yeah, ocean. Yeah. So you have the it's a natural force or whatever. There is a crime that's being committed against people in mass shootings that doesn't exist generally speaking with drownings and a lot of the times with car accidents, although drunk driving is, you know, that's an issue. I just, but drunk driving is also illegal. So, so I heard some of what you said, but then you said there's no mass drownings and I was trying to figure out how you could mass drown. Well, you could like flash flood a school. I don't know how

you do it. It'll be tough. For some reason, I got the mental image in my head. Do you remember the Jackson five costume where you had like four or two on each side connected to you and they were like puppets? Kind of. I can, I can imagine it. And, and I think that's how you do it, right? You get five people. So you got two puppets on each side. The two puppets are drowning as well and you're holding somebody else. I think it makes perfect sense. Are these people or puppets? They're puppets. So that way you can do it by yourself. You can't get, it's tough to get four others to mass drown with you. That's hard to do. I fully, I gotta be honest. I don't understand what you're saying. Okay. I'm sorry. I can't get the mental

image out of my head. I think it's, I just, I, it's like from a cartoon. I remember. No, no, I get the image of the costume or whatever. I don't know why it's the Jackson five. Why are you talking about drowning? I don't know. No, you're not drowning puppets. The puppets are helping you drown other people. You know, puppets can't act. This is, but that's why they're tied to your hands and wrists. So you can move along with them. Like the Jackson five thing. Marionette technology has not come that far. Jordan, I gotta be honest. I think you're crazy. Whatever you're imagining is a nightmarish, something out of saw. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're imagining a torture device. Yeah. So maybe in that scenario, you could

mass drown people, but that's still, that's still less people than dying like a school shooting. Yeah, that's true. So that's kind of, I don't know. I just think that whenever you use those sort of statistics to minimize the idea of like mass shootings of like, why, why are you talking about limiting access to guns when people die and drownings, drownings more. Yeah. It's like that's stupid because one of the, one of those things you can't do to people in a school. I don't know. Maybe you could at gunpoint if the school has a pool, but you still probably couldn't. You could also if you were Poseidon. Yes, that's true. That would take care of that. If you were a Greek God. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There we go. There we go. If you have magic. That's the scenario

wherein you could mass drown people a hundred times the amount of people die in mass shootings in mass magic attacks. Right. Everybody knows this. Everybody knows it. It's just, and nobody's talking about it. The media isn't going to talk about it. When are we going to outlaw magic wands? When are we going to outlaw magic wands? Until then, let me have my fucking guns. Yeah. So anyway, the, the shootings that he's talking about, he's going to get back into them a little bit later and I'll discuss the realities of them at that point. But just for now, that, that logic about guns is just the stupidest shit. So on a recent episode from the past that we were going over, Alex did that fun pageant on air about fuck it. I'm releasing

Obama deception now. Right. I'm doing it now. Yep. It still hasn't released it as of March 11th, but he's starting to talk about the shit that's going on behind the scenes at info wars. Okay. We've had the FBI calling up and calling different extensions in the office trying to talk to employees here. Hello, it's the FBI. And then when I get on the phone and I call them and it is the FBI and it's real agents, they say, we're not going to tell you what it's about. We're just asking you questions over the phone. And I think it's pure harassment because we're like, where is your office physically located? Tell us where your servers are located. And I'm like, Hey, pal, you need to send me a subpoena. So that's where I am right now. That's where you're

at waiting for the subpoena. I would suggest that the more likely scenario that I imagine is that someone's prank calling him. It feels, it feels like the FBI, first of all, wouldn't waste their time with something so fruitless as this. And even in 2009, you have to know that Alex Jones is the definition of oppositional defiant. Unless you want him to say that the FBI is calling him, you know, you don't fucking call him like that. And it doesn't serve anybody's best interests, except Alex. So that means to me he's making it up or he's taking a prank call and pretending it's real. And this is where he turns it into an ad for the Obama deception. So I mean, I've got FBI fishing lines flying through the windows here at my office, basically as a drag net over the

office. They're circling like sharks. And President Obama is not pleased with this film. I'd say 98% chance it has to do with the Obama deception. Okay. All right. All right. Yeah, he's making it up. Yeah. Yeah. Within a month of Obama being in office, inaugurated a month and a half before this, he's making it a fucking priority to get get on. You better harass Alex Jones and make him scared to put out that documentary that's not going to have any effect on my career. There is a massive recession drawn and made by the housing crisis and all of this other shit. But you know, who I can't stand right now, Alex Jones, Alex fucking Jones, FBI, call him up and just politely ask for his address. But you can find by Google. Yes. That's that's ludicrous. I find this to be the

flimsiest of narratives, but it's what he needs to do in order to get people more excited about the Obama deception. It's the same thing. Like that that earlier episode where he's like, I'm going to release it now, and maybe I'll release it later. And they told me to release it Sunday, but I don't know. I don't even know if I'm going to wait that long now. Maybe later. That sort of thing is the tease that he's trying to get people excited about. And now this is the all man we're in danger sort of thing. It's the it's it's it's very crafty marketing techniques, but nothing more. So I told you we're going to get back to these shootings. Alex in this clip, he starts by talking about the Alabama shooting, but gets off track really fast into

remember I was talking about that chimpanzee earlier. It might come back up. All right. Terrible news. Obviously, you know about Alabama. You're hearing all the calls to disarm the slaves. Gunman turned small Alabama town into a slaughterhouse ABC News. Multiple shots. He says, gunman attacked with AK-47 assault rifle and the police are saying fully auto. So though there is a restricted gun, but they had it. He spared no one, not his mother, not his grandparents, not the children, not even the family dogs. Investigators following the 24 mile trail of death through Southern Alabama are still trying to determine what set Michael

McLinden on a murderous shooting rampage that led to the deaths of 11 people, including himself. He cleaned his family out. Coffee, County Coroner Robert Preacher said, we don't know what triggered it. We don't know what triggered it. I mean, his, he lived with his mother, his wife, I guess, had divorced him and the children live somewhere else. Real quick, he wasn't married and he didn't have any kids. And it looks like he may have lost his job from some factory and he threw a fed and killed mommy. Then he burned down the house. That's what happens. They kill one person and then they heard it advertised in the media a million times. The thing to do once you've done this

is not turn yourself in. This sort of ranting that Alex is jumping off into, and trust me, it goes some really crazy places is his way of not having to feel anything. I think it's his way of turning this into some sort of like, Hey, it's really about the new world order and shit like that as opposed to being like a real human tragedy that you should feel something about when you hear. Are not blow your own head off. The thing to do is run around and kill your whole family. Dress up like Santa Claus. Go to the front door. You're mad. Your ex-wife left you and took the kids. Nope. So you kill them. That would be a very different Mrs. Doubt because we are a spoiled, wicked, degenerate culture on average, not everybody. What? Huh? Now remember the chimpanzee

a few weeks ago, tearing the lady's mandible off, ripping her eyeballs out, ripping her face off, attacking police. The chimpanzee was on a Prozac drug. Forget the exact one. You can pull it up. It was all over the nose. She had it hopped up on a psychotropic. Chimpanzees don't normally do that. Some of them do. That's like their thing. That's one of their things. But hold on, Jordan. This is elementary Alex rambling. Yeah. The place that this ends up going like where his mind goes. So he doesn't have to talk more about this story that he's already clearly misreporting. Yeah. Like the idea of like his wife left him and took the kids and stuff like that. He's just making that up. That's not that's not part of the story at all. He's just

me and the idea that like, Hey, it's what the media tells you to do not blow your head off. The guy did kill himself at the end of this, like the shooter. That's what that's also what they generally do to avoid the consequences of having to live with what they've done. But man, oh man, we get a weird glimpse into Alex's psyche and his family history as this clip meanders on. In the cases that they have torn people apart, they've been drunk or they've been given cocaine in the past. Monkeys are on coke. That's a very different. But a hundred pound champ is as strong as a 500 pound pure muscle man. This sucker weighed 200 pounds. He's a big in. He had the strength of a 1000 pound linebacker. No linebackers are that happy.

They're so strong to take one finger and just rip your nose off with it. I've told the stories about my well, he was my dad's great uncle. So I guess what would you call him? My great great uncle twice removed Uncle Houston as he was known. W Houston. Thank you very much. And he ran away. He was 13. Got on ships, sell around the world, came back, ran booze during the depression. But the point was, he would tell my dad all these stories and he died when I was about five. I remember talking to him and he would talk about how they would, you know, in Galveston, how they would have the chimpanzee. Why am I telling the stories? It's just so interesting how they would have a

little champ. They get like an 80 pound one. Let's little look sweet sitting there and they could put in a boxing ring and they'd have the big fairgrounds and they'd get all these big old country boys in there and guys that could, you know, throw a steer over no problem or whatever. You know, thinking they're tough and they are tough. Watch those guys. Those rodeos are tough. It would always be a rodeo champ and it'd be some big thousand dollar cash prize. They'd build it up all week and he's going to fight the champ. They put gloves on the champs so he can tear the guy's face off and he'd, you know, get some 250 pound good old boy, get in there and he'd go right ahead and the champ would jump up and down and beg to not be hit and then the guy hit the champ and

the champ in seconds would punch him like 50 times. Just bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, out. So what have they done now? A bunch of states are passing laws to ban owning basically any wild animals in some states or chimpanzees. See what Prozac has done again. And I'm not saying it's even a good thing to own a champ, but that's freedom folks. What the hell? What the fuck was that? I don't know. One, his great uncle sounds like a fucking wild man. And I, in the way of like, you read about that in a history book and you're like, that's an interesting fucking dude. But if you, yeah, but if you were confronted with that in real life, you'd be like, holy shit, this guy needs to be a fucking contained. He was the Don

King of underground chimpanzee boxing. What was that? What the fuck was he talking about? Alex is like, my lineage involves the founders of Texas. The tutors come from royalty. Also, part of my family was involved in chimpanzee boxing. That's carny shit. No, that's actually the tutors right there. That's the tutor line. Yeah. I love, I love how his mind works, at least at this point in history where he's like, I don't really have much more to say about this shooting, but man, I like talking about that chimp. What? All right. That chimp was up on all these Prozac drugs. You know, my uncle, my great uncle. Boy, he was a crazy dude. He was involved in getting rodeo dudes to box chimpanzees. Boy, could those chimps fight. And now the government wants to make it

illegal to own monkeys. And this is what Prozac's done. What? That is a, a runaway thought train. But I do, I admire the hell out of, at the end, they're trying to be like, this is what Prozac's done. Because there's a part of his brain that still realizes, I need to make this make sense. Stay on target. Stay on target. You stuck the landing again. You don't need a Bella Corolla to come pick you up at this one. You did it. That's so great. Your Bella Corolla reference is amazing. Thanks. That is, that is solid. This is, but that's what Alex inspires in me back in 2009. The stupidity that he's, uh, he's putting forward. God damn it. It's great. You know, my great uncle used to stage underground

fights with Bella Corolla. Is that right? All gymnasts fighting each other. They got the smallest gymnasts to fight each other. They put the gloves on him so they couldn't tear his face. Exactly. That's, and I don't know if you know this. Most gymnasts, when they get to the age of eight, right? They, uh, just, they just can't handle it anymore. And they just, anytime they see a human being, they take it as a threat, especially if you smile at them. Sure. You know, bearing teeth to gymnasts is a really, uh, it's like a, uh, a challenge is what it is. So you gotta, you gotta send them to a place where they can be taken care of comfortably. Yeah. Man, this is funny, dumb shit. I love that clip. I wish I could live inside that clip.

I do. That's, that to me is like, whenever, whenever you talk about Alex Jones being the biggest monster in the world now, which he is, yeah, he was still a bad dude back then, but like, this is what I mourn the loss of. Yeah. Like stuff like that. Yeah. My uncle was a fucking monkey fighter because he's got four fucking hours to fill. And if he talks about the reality of these shootings, like it undermines a lot of like the narratives that he wants. Oh yeah. Yeah. So this Alabama shooting, um, the shooting was perpetrated by a guy named Michael McLendon, who was a 29 year old white dude, uh, who despite what Alex's reporting was not married and did not have kids. Uh, he lived at home with his mother. They had difficulty finding work. Uh, he failed to complete

basic training when he tried to enter the services and he found himself in a really bad position in the world. Uh, when he did shoot his mom and set fire to the house, what he then did is when killed most of his mom's side of the family. He ended up doing that and he left a note behind explaining his actions. Quote, he wrote that he wanted people to pay for making his mother and him suffer. He went on to write, quote, mama was very sick, had lung cancer, I think. So I put her out of her misery. I'm sorry, but mama had suffered enough and so have I. Some of the people who made us suffer will pay. After everything was said and done, his mother received an autopsy that did not support his claim that she was sick and she definitely didn't have cancer. There are

indications that he was depressed, but no indications that he was receiving treatment. In the end, what it is is probably just a down on his luck, very diluted, mentally ill person who had imagined that his mom was sick and he wasn't getting the support he needed from his mom, who was probably, you know, not happy with all of their positions in life. Yeah. And he decided to affix blame on his mother's side of the family. He thought he was mercy killing his mom and punished them for the perceived lack of support. So it's just someone, you know, not just someone. Wait, so you're saying this was a white dude? Yeah, bingo. That doesn't sound right. Um, so this instance, if Alex talked about the reality of it, you'd have to look at all of the things that he rails against being

accurate. Well, and when we talk about like there's always violence against women involved in these mass shootings and stuff like that. Yep. The violence against women in this case is perpetuated under the auspices of like mercy. But it is still a violent act towards his mother and towards other members of her side of the family. This is still obviously a crime that has some sort of resentment or anger towards his mom, towards women, towards a version of domestic violence. So this doesn't really work for Alex's stuff. And from everything I can find, there's no evidence that he was on any kind of SSRIs. Alex is just using that. Any probably should have been. Probably. Yeah. I mean, that's really the bigger story. Yep. Now it's interesting because Alex

wants to demonize SSRIs and Prozac so desperately. But in this next clip, I think you'll see that he doesn't understand pharmacology at all. And I think he thinks that Prozac is something very different than it is. In all these cases, it happens all over. It's a favorite thing on one of these search on reuptake inhibitors. I've seen stories out of Utah stories out of Texas and everywhere where women dance naked on roofs. I don't know why that's what they do on it. It'll pull up at some mansion. There'll be some gorgeous, you know, middle-aged woman naked dancing, cutting her breast off with a butcher knife up on top of the house. And the cops go, we got another Prozac head. Police know this. What?

Because it's a hallucinogen, folks. It puts you in a hallucinogenic state. And when you have a bad trip, it's over. Hey, you take PCP, take LSD. Might take it a hundred times and don't have a bad trip. But that one time, Mike Nelson ought to get him in here. Derek Einkauf. They were both EMTs previously. Mike in San Marcos San Antonio and Derek down in Houston. And Derek had to quit because he, you know, the last time he said he went to some house and there's these drug dealers and left cocaine out in the 18-month-old toddler eating a bunch of it. And the baby was blueed out on the ground. He had to quit. But the issue is they both went to calls with PCP heads. Just like a chimpanzee, the people's ears, their noses, their faces would be torn off.

There'd be some guy on PCP out of the park, both cases, and somebody'd mess with them. And the PCP person, in both cases, little guys would just carry the person's face off. You can't use stories about people on PCP to demonize people on Prozac. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. I think Alex thinks they're the same thing. Maybe. Any time there's an acronym, it's an SSRI. Well, that reminds me of PCP. So there you go. Which reminds me of EMTs and these two dudes who found a dead baby who ingested cocaine, again not related to Prozac. Nope. No indication that those drug dealers were on Prozac. This has nothing to do with anything. He's just trying to couple the association in his listeners

minds of the effects of PCP are the same as the effects of Prozac. They're trying to give you that because then you're going to end up like these PCP heads tearing people's face off like the chimpanzee who was on Prozac. I have proven my point. My uncle was a monkey fighter. That's the level of logic that's going on here. This is insanity. I understand the idea of someone being cautious about overprescription of drugs, something like that. There are very legitimate arguments to make about how like, you know, pharma is a big business and people get put on drugs a lot of the time that are superfluous to their conditions. Drug reps are often insidious in their super evil. Their influence trying to get doctors to prescribe things that maybe people

don't need or kind of need, but could get similar effects through exercise or something like that. Yeah. I understand that that conversation is well worth having, but this one isn't. This one is just an outright demonization of the idea of getting mental health services and the idea that some people do need medication in order to help them live productive, decent lives. And that is not a slight on them or a shame in any way. This is disgusting. No, I mean, my very first psychiatrist prescribed Abilify, which as I won the head, the cool commercial. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which fucked me up. Yeah, that can happen. I did not blame him or Abilify. That's that can happen to anybody. Sure. That can happen. And some people found Abilify to be incredibly helpful. Yeah. It was

very much a like, even while he was prescribing it to me, I could actually hear the drug rep in his ear like the little demon on his shoulder because it cost 700 bucks for a month's prescription. So you're like, that's the problem with Abilify. Yeah. Not whether or not the medication works, that it's a fucking runaway prescription, like a runaway cost, a runaway moneymaker. Yeah. That's the issue. That's what you can talk about if you want to do that. There's 100 examples of that. And that's sort of like an insidious version. And then there's the simple benign version of like, hey, sometimes you take a medication, it doesn't work and you got to switch it. Yeah. Because like, I've had family members who have taken things that are like, well, it worked for the symptoms,

but cause like massive weight gain or something like that. Well, it's a shame, but that's something that's going to drastically affect your life. You got to try something else and see if you can get to the right place. Yeah. Decrease sex drive, fucking lethargy to beyond reason, you know, all of this stuff. Like I tried probably five or six medications before I found something that actually worked for, for what I needed. And then in very small numbers and very minute portions of the population, you can have severe side effects. Yeah. And they aren't like being on PCP. And it's not the same as you take it and you're fine. And then one day you have a bad trip on your Prozac or whatever. But some people can have incredibly negative reactions

based on their individual chemistry. They're, they're the, you know, just the unique fingerprints of our brain sometimes don't work with X, Y or Z drug and demonizing that drug because of the small amount of negative reactions that happen to it is absurd. That is just stupid. And it's, it's regressive to the point of just, just deny science. Just go ahead and say sciences. Yeah. Yeah. No, you might as well. Well, that's because magic kills hundreds of thousands of people a year. We've been over this. Exactly. That is true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The worst thing that can happen with these drugs is not fucking hallucinating on the top of your roof. If you're an attractive 40 year old woman cutting your tips off only an attractive 40 year old woman on a roof.

The worst thing is you get a rash that might kill you. I will say that someone cutting their breasts off dancing on a roof. It does sound like something that someone on PCP might do. Yeah. So I think all of Alex's examples are people on PCP and he's just saying it's Prozac. So that's fucked up. Congratulations. Also, I don't think that like the pursuit, I don't want to say anything like that sounds positive, but the precision that's required in order to carry out a massive mass shooting. I don't think you could do that on PCP. I think that you could try and punch your way through a school or something like that, but I don't like you wouldn't have the time if you take PC. That's a great video game, by the way, punch your way through a school that you can only find

that in a Japanese arcade. I want to punch my way through high school. I want to punch through the double dots see with that song. Now it sounds like a montage in a Rocky movie. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong about that, but from my understanding of PCP, it's like it's pretty immediate and it's pretty rage full. Like it's there's no idea and I have no interest in finding out. I've watched a lot of episodes of cops where people are on PCP. Oh yeah. They punch through fences and shit. That sounds fun. Yeah. That's one of those drugs that like I will never do it. I will never know what it's like, but I'm very curious what it feels like in your brain. Yeah. Like that kind of I've, you know, I've done enough substances in my life to know like

altered states are very different. Yeah. And I can't imagine how different that is. Like whenever I see someone who's really drunk, I'm like, yeah, kind of know what you're feeling right now. I can I can I can empathize in a way with like, all right, all right. But I see someone on PCP and I'm like, that is a mystery. I want, I do not know why you thought it was a good idea to punch through that fence. That's the only reason that we do really need a VR. Maybe we just need to know what it feels like to take some of the really crazy drugs, you know, but I don't know if you could, I don't know if you could recreate that through VR. I think the technology is coming around. I don't know. I don't think there's a safe way to feel those things. Anyway, so the Alabama

shooting, Alex is way off on, he's way off on everything except for underground monkey fighting. He might have a good point about that. But even if he does, it's so far in the past as to be a relevant. Yeah. So now he gets to the German shooting. And this one he surprisingly is also off on German school gunman kills 16 people 16 people have been killed by a teenage gunman who went on a rampage in Southwest Germany. I'll bet my bottom dollar. This guy was in psychiatric care and I bet my bottom dollar. I'll take that again. It's going to be discovered that somebody gave him the gun with a connection to intelligence services. I would like to take that bet, sir. And we've seen this in case after case after case after case after case after case

after case after case after case. Say case five more times. So with the German shooting, the this is guy who shot up a school. His name was Tim Kretschmer. He wasn't on psychotropic medication or at least there's no indication that he was from anything I can find. He was put into inpatient treatment briefly but failed to continue a outpatient treatment when he was released, which was a condition of him getting out of this hospital. He fell fell off on his treatment probably intentionally. Yeah, he spoke to a therapist a few times in the year before his murders and expressed his violent urges, which his therapist warned his parents about his parents denied the claims and said he never received psychiatric care, which kind of falls in line

with the picture that's painted of his parents of being kind of delusional and in denial about their son having any sort of default. Almost it appears that they saw him as an extension of themselves. Like he got bad grades in school and was unable to find an apprenticeship and his parents were in deep denial about that. He was on a I believe it was on a tennis team. And people said that he was very difficult to work with and was hard to be on a team with. And his parents just in denial about his his behavioral issues growing up. Yeah, so there is a pattern that sort of emerges with his life. And the idea that this therapist is like I told them about his violent urges, which is the most I could do legally, right? And they like, No, no one said anything.

And he wasn't even in psychiatric care or psychological treatment at all. And also no one with, you know, government intelligence gave him the gun. He stole it from his dad. Great. His dad had 20 guns. Great. But he was a good citizen, for the most part, in as much as he was a part of like a shooting club, the recreational shooting club. So he had all these guns. His son stole one. And in the aftermath, there was an investigation and they found that he was in breach of German laws in terms of if you own guns, you have to properly lock them up. Yeah, he didn't lock them up properly. So he got in trouble. Yeah, he had to go to court and he was found guilty of being an accessory essentially to the school shooting, which is appropriate to some extent. Yep. He didn't

get that drastic of a sentence, which I think is also appropriate. I think that I think I think that it's awful to be the person who has given access to this weapon that killed a lot of people. Yeah. But at the same time, I don't think you should treat that like he actually did the actual crime. Right. And his response to it was, was actually pretty admirable. The people came around and they found that he had one of his guns had been taken and used in this crime. And he immediately offered to relinquish his right to own guns. Yeah. So even all those 20 guns that he used for this sporting hobby of his, he was like, Oh, absolutely here. You guys, yeah, I'm not going to own guns anymore. Yeah, clearly, I fucking shouldn't. Yeah. So that story Alex is pitching about this guy,

that he was on psychiatric medication and that someone in the government gave him a gun. All of that is not true. He's reporting willy nilly and just saying what he wants to be the case, which I'm sure later he will say is the case. Yeah, but it's not the case. None of that's true. Jesus. Yeah, that's fucked up is, but that's what you do when you're not a fucking journalist and you're masquerading as one. When you think that you know things and you don't, you say things that are wrong all the time. And when you have a big old chip on your shoulder, you're like, why does everyone think I'm wrong all the time? I'm always right. Why would you? I mean, I mean, do you really need to defend guns that much? Yes, you really need it that badly? Yes,

because it's the only thing that's standing between us and fucking tyranny. Yeah, I mean, I just don't think it is. It's not. But that's what he believes. And that's why he's so vociferous about it. I don't know. Maybe there's other reasons to just really fucking loves a gun. But this gets a little bit worse. This attack on mental health, as it were, because Alex gets a call from a guy named Jack McLam during the middle of this call. We've talked about it before. He's a big old shithead. You can find us talking about him in a past episode. But on this episode, he lives up to that, that classification with this stupid, stupid fear mongering about therapy. Obamination, our phony president. He hates guns. He's a communist. He

wants all the guns out of the hands of the people. And so our military intel told us that we would see more of these mind control assassins going in and shooting up their families, killing their families and killing children and killing masses of people. And that's exactly what's happening now, brother. So you're right on target. And I just wanted to tell the people that we have here at our two police and military association that issue that explains government's five easy steps to creating a mind control assassin out of anyone, even you. If you go into your psychologist or psychiatrist and they put you under hypnosis, the government can tell them to make you a mind control assassin and it only takes an hour for them to put a key in your brain.

Oh man. That's, I mean, why would you ever go to therapy if you believe that? Like, why would you ever get help? Do you, if you believe that there's a possibility that the government is going to tell your therapist to put a key in your brain within an hour that can turn you into a mind control assassin, that it only exists because Obama wants everybody's guns and he's a communist and wants to create an oppressive state. Why would you like if you're feeling depressed, you have nothing to help you. There is no resources, nothing. Suck it up. Did the government publish that self help book, the five easy steps to create a mind control assassin? No, but Jack McClam did and he's selling it. The, the seven highly effective

habits of mind control. He's selling it and later Alex has him do a sales pitch for this, like resource. So it's even like in his financial interests to create this demonization. What a fucking idiot. Yeah, man, these are bad people. So let's jump off the mental health stuff because I think we've said our piece and we've allowed these dickheads to say their piece. Yeah. And now at this point, Alex Jones gets a call from a guy who's not named shoe on head. Not yet. No, this isn't shoe on head. He gets a call from a guy and this dude brings up a news story that Alex will later report as truth based on the fact that this caller is bringing it to his attention, which is a problem because his caller is a fucking idiot and might as well be named shoe on head.

Andy in Montana, you're on the air. How you doing Alex? I just wanted to know if you'd heard about the explosions in Bozeman, Montana and Whitehall, Montana. We're two American legions. We're blowing up. When did this happen? This happened last week and it's barely been in our news and it hasn't made news at all. I know there have been bombings of different corporate offices and banks and police have been killed and was it in Washington state? I know there's all sorts of weird bombings going on that no one is covering and generally, generally, that means it's a real terrorist attack. See, the MO is during the 70s and 60s and 70s, there were hundreds and hundreds of bombings that killed scores of people and wounded scores more. And because it was real

terrorism, you don't give real terrorism if you're the government attention. You only give your staged events attention. So in that clip, Alex is without signing off on this is giving the implication that, yeah, this guy, the fact that I haven't heard of this means that it's probably real. This guy is saying that a couple of American Legion offices or buildings in Montana have been blown up. Two things. First, if you're going to ask Alex how he's doing, wait for him to say a response or your stupid. That's just rude. That is just rude. All right. Second, if he is admitting that in the 60s and 70s, there were all these bombings happening all over the place. What, Dan? And who do you think was perpetrating those bombings? Do you think it was Muslim

terrorists? I don't think so. No, do you think it was black people bombing shit all over the place? Well, I mean, the weather underground was bombing some stuff. So there's them. There were some left leaning domestic terrorist groups. Yeah. No, no, no. I'm saying that contrary to what he constantly says, there's a shit ton of white people. Right. If he's even saying this at all, which he is not accurate, but he has to admit that, you know, the terrorists back then were white even now there's a lot of like eco terrorism that involves bombing. Yeah. That that that's probably primarily white people. Yeah. But yeah, so this Montana situation is is real fucked up because Alex will later in this episode repeat this because he's gone and googled a few things.

He's found a headline that works for him. Yeah. And so he reports back basically the same story that this caller has pitched to him, which is that these American Legion halls have been blown up in Montana. Yeah. So there's a problem with this. There's a couple problems. First problem is that this caller is saying the two American legions were blown up, which is not true for a couple of reasons. The first is that while the explosion in Bozeman did in fact affect a American Legion, that that is true. Among other businesses, there are a bunch of businesses around an American Legion was one of them. So he's already implying that it was the American Legion was the target. Yes. Now, the second thing here is that in Whitehall did not affect an American

Legion. It affected a restaurant called the Legion Street Grill. This caller seems to not know the difference. So the word Legion is in there. Okay. So the bigger issue here is that neither of these were bombings. The incident in Bozeman was technically an explosion, but it was caused by a failure in the gas main that some people have theorized was set off by a minor earthquake nearby. The incident in Whitehall, on the other hand, was not an explosion. It was a fire that engulfed a few businesses caused by a faulty refrigeration unit. Neither were suspicious at all. The one in Whitehall was thoroughly investigated. They found the source of the fire. They were only suspicious as it relates to whether or not the businesses or the gas mains were up to code. Also plenty of media

covered these things as they're deeply traumatic to the economies of those towns and the blast in Bozeman killed one woman. So they were pretty serious events. You can find news stories from local media and stuff like that. There's just not really that much need for the national media to cover gas main explosion. Right. And the New York Times did cover it a couple days later or a week later or something like that, but it's not of immediate concern necessarily until all the facts are out and all that. These weren't bombings. This is just ludicrous bullshit that Alex is allowing his callers to steer him into. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, that's fucked up. Yep, pretty bad. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to respond to somebody who,

even if you tell them the reality of it, they're going to say it's a cover up. Probably they're because they didn't stage it because it was an actual terrorist act. They can't tell you the truth of it. So they hire all these fancy scientists to lie to you. Little do you know, there aren't any gas mains. Oh, I did not know either. All earthquakes were false flags. So all earthquakes are false. Well, that is because the earth is hollow or flat, whichever it is you, flat and hollow, flat and hollow. Where like a stuffed creep without any filling. Oh, that sounds delicious. Sure. So Alex isn't done talking about the Alabama shooting in particular. And one of the reasons for that is that there were reports of the military being

involved after the fact. Oh, of course. So, you know, in terms of respond military out on the street, there were troops from Fort Rucker in Alabama that were helping out with the response. Oh, yeah. So the blowfish. Yes, Darius Colonel Rucker. So the issue here is that these shootings took place in multiple cities, very small cities in Alabama. They have very limited law enforcement capability in their counties and that sort of thing. So the response to it, some of these people from Fort Rucker deemed it appropriate for them to help out the extent to which they helped out was very limited. But also they did get in trouble from a article in the military.com from October 20. So this is a bit after the fact this is October 20 2009. An army investigation found that soldiers

should not have been sent to man traffic stops in a small Alabama town after 11 people were killed in March during a shooting spree. An army report released to the Associated Press on Monday in response to FOIA requests that the decision to dispatch military police to Sampson from nearby Fort Rucker broke the law. But an army spokesman said no charges have been filed. As a result of the findings, the army took administrative action against at least one person. Yeah. So they found that it was a breach of the Posse Comitatus Act, which is exactly what Alex would like them to bring up, which they do. This is all handled very appropriately. So what they found was that the officer who made the decision to send the soldiers thought he had the authority based on his experience

with responses to Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Andrew. According to the report, the officer's quote intent was to be a good army neighbor and help local civilian authorities facing a difficult, unique tragedy affecting the local community. Yeah. There were apparently no adverse collateral effects to the support provided, but it's still inappropriate. And so the army took appropriate action. This guy got administrative. So I mean, I mean, it wasn't like we're taking over. It was like, we're trying to do good. Yeah. Isn't that what we have a military for? That's a big part of it. And that's not really what it's there for. But they weren't really... I mean, to do good. Oh, to do good, you'd hope. Yeah. Larger, broader picture good, yes, perhaps. So Alex has heard

these reports that there were military on the streets. And of course, that gets him too messent. Yeah. It's very excited about that. It's bad optics. And so what he does is he reaches out and tries to get in touch with someone from Fort Rucker in Alabama. Right. He gets in touch with this guy named Colonel Weil. And the guy ends up actually calling into the show and talking to Alex, which never goes well for people who talk to Alex. Well, it's just terrible. 10 people dead, including the shooter in Alabama, 16 dead in Germany with some lunatic that went into a school. And I haven't heard the Army interviewed on this. We saw it in Reuters and a few other newspapers that they were there after the shooting, providing security. And so we thought, why not get the

regular U.S. Army on from Fort Rucker? And we have Lieutenant Colonel Scott Weil on with us. Colonel, I know you're very busy and I appreciate you giving us the time. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you very much for calling it. So he seems like a polite man. They have an interview that's very abrupt, not abrupt, but it's very short. He ends up just Alex is trying to do gotcha questions about like, we are out there, you're out there trying to police people, you're just trying to, it's trying to, you're trying to insinuate yourself into the police force or your military shit. And he's very polite in his responses. And in this clip, Alex tries to nail him down

about the idea that they were policing citizens. And I think that Colonel Weil has a good answer, but at the same time, you know, proof of the pudding is in the eating. And the fact that their investigation found that they had breached the Posse Combatatus Act means that his interpretation is not what the Army decided was the case. But I do believe him. I believe Colonel Weil in terms of what he's saying here. Previously, if there was a shooting going on in Alabama, would the regular Army respond to that? Well, sir, I mean, we wouldn't respond to it. We would not, we would never respond off the installation in a law enforcement role. What we get, what we will provide though is in support

functions, you know, we will provide assistance, you know, to our partner community. Sure. So military police though, setting up checkpoints, stopping traffic going through that is not a law enforcement role. Yes, sir, that is a law enforcement role. And that we would not do here at Fort Rucker. I can't speak for what Northcom or the Army War College is trying to put together, but here at Fort Rucker, we would not do that. No, no, but I mean, I'm looking at photographs of police blocking the military police, army military police blocking the road. Yes, sir. All we were doing was enforcing the cordone and just directing traffic around it. We weren't stopping anybody. We weren't engaging anybody. We were just directing traffic. So that is the

distinction that he is trying to make. And I see where he's coming from. They had very limited manpower. So they used some military personnel in order to man these places where they were directing traffic. And then the other thing that they did was they guarded like the morgue and stuff like that. They gave people breaks who were the local law enforcement and the sort of appropriate authorities. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was deemed to be inappropriate. But the idea that they were stopping cars and all that stuff, that's not accurate. Even in the military's own report, that doesn't reflect that. That's an accusation that Alex is making based on pictures that he's seen, where it's very easy to misunderstand what you're seeing in a picture. Because military

police directing traffic looks very similar to them having a roadblock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Alex is making that misrepresentation. You can tell the difference because they had whistles though. Right. They were like, they had the white gloves and everything. They were doing it. They were doing it the right way. They were dancing around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doing mime work. Absolutely. So this interview ends when Alex is like, but he's just trying to get something out of this guy. And he's answering his questions very politely. And then Alex is like, what do you think about the Second Amendment? Great. Colonel Weil, his response is, what I believe doesn't, like, personally doesn't really matter. I've got to go. Because I think he got the sense that Alex

was trying to like, find some sort of gotcha thing, or to like, use some, use some of his words against him. And I think he realized like, I shouldn't have called into this show. This show is, this isn't operating from a good faith position. So he politely excuses himself, which of course, Alex later characterizes as he was scared to answer my questions, which is what happens when you call into Alex's show. Just don't do it. Yeah, it's a trap. Yeah, exactly. So if I understand correctly, Alex reached out to this base. Yes. And Lieutenant Colonel, yeah, he's the one who is like the PR person. Yeah, he's the one who handles. Yeah. So he calls in and he's just trying to calm everybody down. Just being like, Hey, no, that wasn't our plan. We were just trying to make

sure that people didn't go into what, Hey, may have been an active shooter zone. You know, it's entirely possible. We didn't know all the facts at the time. So we're just trying to provide some kind of support because the local police had like four guys. Well, even afterwards, like even if it's not an active shooter scene, you still need to keep people away from exactly a place that they might be drawn to out of curiosity or something like that. It's still a crime scene. Right. There's a lot of process or there might be people who I don't know. I don't know if the suspicion of like you deface the morgue or something like that. I don't know if that's a fear you have, but you do have to secure those perimeters and stuff like that because even the bodies in the at that immediate

time are still there's evidence and what have you. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's I get the impulse. Right. I don't personally have a problem necessarily with military personnel filling those roles, especially in stretched thin, very rural areas where they don't have large police forces. Right. But I also do see the other side where it's like any military doing anything domestically is inappropriate. Yeah, I kind of see that argument too. Alex is wrong. Who cares? I mean, if you're if you're if your community, all they have is like Boss Hogg and his two deputies, yeah, maybe yeah, maybe the just just anybody with any kind of authority should just be like, Hey, don't go there. Hey, quit it. I don't know. I don't know. Because I

see I see the like principal argument, which is what's sort of on Alex's side. Yeah, no, absolutely. But I also see the logistic argument, which is sort of more rational, I think. Yeah, the Alex's principal side relies on the idea of like, this is a slippery slope. And if you allow this, then they'll be next, they'll be pulling over your course, of course, which I think is foolish. But at the same time, like, all right, whatever, whatever, slippery slope argument is, especially in this regard, flimsy at best. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of slippery slope arguments in general. But in this case, let this one go, man. Come on, just let this one go. It seems it seems soft. So Jordan, March 11 2009 is a day that will live in infamy. Because W shoe on head. No,

calls in W shoe on head calls in on the 12th. But because on this episode, Alex Jones is going to do a guest spot on someone else's radio show during his own radio show. All right, all right, quit. He needs to quit. He leaves the show and plays a long commercial for the Obama deception, course, then comes back. Yeah, when he comes back, he's furious about going on this radio show because they didn't treat him well. Howard Stern made fun of me. It's not Howard Stern. Okay, it's, I don't even remember the name of the show. It's not a show I recognize. But it's, it's a thing where apparently the host of that show, not a fan of treating Alex with respect. I like that. Yeah, I like that. That's ironic that Alex gets a taste of his own medicine on the same show. It

is weird. That is fun. I haven't listened to that interview or anything, but Alex comes back and he's a little bit peeved about that experience. But all of that is washed away because he has received a secret document. Okay, someone from the Missouri Highway Patrol has gotten in touch with him. The Department of Transportation is on the roads and on their computers, sending Alex Jones a secret document that I regret to inform you is a real document. Oh no, but this gets very weird. But this just broke. I just showed you the earlier Terror Training Manual saying those that talk about the Constitution or Terrorist and are a danger to police, those that are in Second Amendment groups. Here is the MIAC Strategic Report and this is 2209, the Modern

Militia Movement and they mix in here people that believe there's nine FEMA regions, people that believe there's a NAPA superhighway and they show the official NAPA superhighway map the government put out, doesn't exist. Those that don't want RFID chips being planted with them and they mix it in then with white supremacists and others and they say, we want you to understand the terrorist symbols. It's don't tread on me flag of the founding fathers. Can I have a close shot guys, please? Instead of that shot, can I have this? Thanks. The flag of the founding fathers, all of it. We're going to go over this. This is amazing. So you just go over it a little bit, but this is what Alex will in the future call the MIAC Report. It's a very,

very big piece of his mythology. This is a gigantic, gigantic piece of all of his arguments about how the government is trying to target people like him and it is the stupidest argument possible. We're going to go over all of it, much like Alex says, he's going to go all over all of it. He doesn't, but we'll go over all of it. But there's something that's very interesting here. In history, when Alex is talked about like secret stuff and people contacting him, he never really gets into specifics. He never talks about the names of documents. He just says, we have white papers. We got these secret documents. This is one of the only instances that I can think of where he's saying the name of the report, which leads me to believe it might be

one of the only instances of people actually sending him something. Yeah. Okay. Now, the thing that's further very interesting about this is this is March 11th. Someone has sent this to him and he's going on air and reporting it. It has been public since 2004. No. Oh, it was written in February, but it was confidential for, you know, the law enforcement uses only. Uh-huh. It's released by WikiLeaks two days later. Two days later, WikiLeaks has a copy of it and they release it. Really? When Alex has already released it on Infowars. What? I can find that's fucking crazy. I can find no instances of anybody publishing this before Alex. What? It's one of the only times that I'm firmly convinced that Alex got a scoop. He got a scoop. Alex got a scoop. Yeah,

it's weird. That's fucked up. Yeah. Now, I don't know if that means that at the same time that someone sent it to Alex, they also sent it to WikiLeaks and WikiLeaks had a longer process of due diligence trying to confirm the providence of it. Right. But I don't know what to make of this. I really don't know what to do with it because Alex is almost always lying about everything and over-inflating himself. Yeah. This might be one instance where he was ahead of the game. Jesus. Now, he lies about the document itself. Well, yeah, of course. As you've already seen in that clip, I mean, well, he didn't actually read it. The way he's describing it, it's only eight pages. Man, that's what makes me out. It's so short. So the thing that I'll give you a little

bit of a primer on this Mayak report because you can find it, and it's only eight pages, not that hard to read. Okay. So what it is is the law enforcement community came together and they put out these reports from time to time just about things that should be on law enforcement's radar. Yeah. And this one is about the modern militia movement. Yeah. It's called the modern militia movement. It goes into, it starts by discussing the roots of the militia movement in America, which started in the 1980s and peaked in 1996, but is seeing resurgence in 2009, which they very astutely connected to a black man being elected president. You betcha. Oh, who would have guessed? Now, here's a really fun thing from the second paragraph

of this study, or this article or whatever you want to call it, this paper. They're really perceptive. Yeah. Reading this and knowing what we know now, nine years later, it's like, oh, man, this really bums me out. Some people saw this coming. Oh, yeah. Some people saw like the alt right in all of these white nationalist sort of bubbleings coming. So here's from the second paragraph, quote, academics contend that female and minority empowerment in the 1970s and 1960s caused a blow to white male's sense of empowerment. This combined with the egos. Yep. This combined with a sense of defeat from the Vietnam War, increased levels of immigration and unemployment spawned a paramilitary culture. This caught on in the 1980s with injects such as

Tom Clancy novels or soldier of fortune magazine and movies such as Rambo that glorified combat. This culture glorified white males and portrayed them as morally upright heroes who were mentally and physically tough. Proud boys. There is there is a lot to that. It goes on to discuss how during this timeframe, many individuals and organizations began to concoct conspiracy theories to explain their misfortunes. These theories varied, but almost always involved the globalist dictatorship, the New World Order, which conspired to exploit the working class citizens. United Nations troops were thought to already be operating in the United States in support of the New World Order. Much of this rhetoric would become anti-Semitic claiming that

the Jews controlled the monetary system and media and in turn the Zionist occupied government. The militia of Montana became a key organization in pushing right wing rhetoric and informing individuals of how to form militia organizations. So this is all just descriptive and bad news accurate. Yeah. They they discuss how in the 90s, early 90s, incidents like Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing were firmly catalyzing events for that community. Yeah. And it led to radicalization and it led to a resurgence of different militia organizations and increased militia activity. It goes on to list tons and tons of reasons why people should be pretty afraid about this trend. Yeah. Such as November 9th, 1995, Oklahoma constitutional militia members are

arrested as they plan to bomb the Southern Poverty Law Center, gay bars and abortion clinics. December. Good work, guys. Way to go. December 18th, 1995, a drum of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil is found behind the IRS building in Reno, Nevada. The device failed to explode. An anti- government tax protester is later arrested for the incident. January 18th, 1996, a member of the Aryan Republican Army is arrested in Ohio after a shootout with the FBI. The ARA was also associated with 22 bank robberies between 1994 and 1996. So, I mean, it just goes on and on. July 27th, 1996, a bomb is detonated at the Atlanta Olympic Park, killing one person and injuring 100. Eric Robert Rudolph is later arrested and linked to other bombings at abortion clinics and a gay bar.

October 11th, 1996, seven members of the Mountaineer militia were arrested for plotting to blow up the FBI fingerprint record center in West Virginia. You know, you get the sense, you see all these, you know, they're not trying to paint an unfair picture in this report. So, suffice it to say this is a descriptor of the movement in the 90s and then the resurgence that they're seeing here, where you see incidents like on June 29th, 2007, six members of the Alabama Free Militia are arrested on weapons and explosive charges. An ATF agent will go on to testify that five of the men were planning to attack on Mexicans in a town near Birmingham. There's incidents like this. All of these, all of these fringe militia groups exist in. Any time other

people advance, white dudes go fucking bat shit. White dudes are fucking crazy, man. Yeah. What are they doing? What is your thought process where you're like, oh man, these people are, I don't know, equals or at least getting towards it. So I better get a gun and blow shit up. Yeah. That is childish. It is. And then so what Alex is talking about there, about the idea that they're, you know, they're tying in these like the North American Union and, you know, this map and all this. What they do is they explain commonalities that they found from studying militias and they point out that a number of them are motivated by certain things. They don't say that believing there's a North American Union means that you're a part of a violent militia.

They're saying that a lot of these militias also have this belief. Right. That's a very important distinction. Right. If you read this and you know how to read, you will see just that that these are these are things that militias that carry out attacks like described in the beginning of this report. They may hold these beliefs, not that holding these beliefs makes you suspected to be a member of one of those groups. Right. Right. Right. This is a very, it's very, very important. It's the, it's the, you know, if you see smoke, sometimes there's a fire. Sometimes somebody's just grilling them. True. You know. Yes. So Alex believes that what they're doing is trying to teach the police to accept guilt by association. So that would be believing

the opposite of what this report is expressing because they aren't expressing that. No, they're expressing maybe they kind of should be though. I don't think maybe there is a little bit of guilt by like Alex is a little bit guilty for association here. I think that would be super irresponsible of them. Oh no, absolutely. And I'm excited to read this Mayak report and not see that because you could, you could plausibly believe that. Like, yeah, if I like, if you don't read the stuff that Alex says, like, I could see a world where the law enforcement put out a report that was like, Hey, a lot of these dickholes believe this. So if you see someone who believes this, they've probably one of those dickholes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh man, like how they treat

black people. Right. It's not like that at all. It's even when they're criticizing modern militia groups, they're treating white people with more respect. It's very even handed. Oh my God. This is awful. Yeah. And so Alex, he gets into his ideas about this guilt by association and then brings in another piece of his, his argument that is bogus. So they're teaching police as the New York Times, the Washington Post announced world government, a bank of the world newsweek time, you know, headlines like in the times of London and now for world government where they said we kept it secret for your own good. In this training manual, the CPC police everywhere in the country, it has a, you know, don't tread on me flag. It shows America freedom to fascism and

the film zeitgeist in it. We just showed that and shows it next to the Turner diaries, which was a white supremacist thing about killing police. So see how they do guilt by association. At the, the last point that they make in the, the Mayak report is their, their commonalities in media that are digested by these militias and zeitgeist Aaron Russo's film, freedom to fascism, and the Turner diaries are just three examples that they list. That's weird because those were actually, they were actually referencing Ted Turner's diaries. Could be, which is all about bison. Yeah. Also Alex, he's an interesting dude. Alex goes on later to say that the Turner diaries were planted on Timothy McVeigh.

Sure. Which is ludicrous rewriting of history. That doesn't seem necessary at all. So now more importantly, just because it's a nice side road to go down, Alex brings up this financial times. He calls it the London times, I think. Of course he does, but he always calls it the financial times of London, which whatever, I'm not going to split hairs. Sure. So this article and now for world government, it's actually and now for a world government. Yeah. But he calls it now for world government because that's what Aaron Russo called it in his film, America, Freedom to Fascism. Of course, of course. Alex may not have actually read this, but it's a great title to make his argument. Yeah. And now for world government, it has the

tone of someone introducing as the next act in a show. Hey, and now ladies and gentlemen, world government, isn't it? Isn't it interesting that Aaron, Aaron Russo's film from Freedom to Fascism got everything wrong and instead actually helped contribute to America going from freedom to fascism? It's very weird. That is that is almost like the titles ironic. Yeah. So I'm going to read to you a little bit here from this Financial Times article called and now for a world government. See if you think this is encouraging a world government. Okay. I've never believed that there's a secret United Nations plot to take over the US. I've never seen black helicopters hovering over the sky above Montana. But for the first time in my life, I think the formation of

some sort of world government is possible, is plausible. So far. Yeah, I gotcha. Do you think do you think that this guy is saying that he's announcing world government openly? No, I think from the way he's phrased that what he's saying is that for a long time, I thought people who did this were crazy. And now I'm starting to think maybe they had the smallest kernel of a point. Well, he goes on to say he goes on to explain why he believes that the formation of a world government is plausible now, which he didn't believe before. Right. First point he makes is that the issues that are facing the world are international in nature. Things like terrorism, global warming, or climate change, and the financial markets. Yeah, exactly. They're all

working in concert and they don't give a fuck about borders. Right. So the idea that the problems that we face as we move into the future being international, it would make sense that we have some sort of an international body. It's really hard to regulate a business that functions all over the world with look at Google. Sure. How do you regulate Google when Google is kowtowing to China censorship? You know, it's hard without a world governing body. It seems like it. So then the second point that he makes is that he believes it's plausible because now it could be done. Whereas in the past, we lacked the communication and transportation technology that would be required to make the world accessible to everybody. The telegraph was not

necessarily a great way to create a world government. Right. So that's the second point. It's logistically possible. Yeah. His third point is all those problems, the terrorism, climate change, world markets. Those are all problems or issues that in order for us to navigate them successfully require all of us to work together. So the solutions to the problems that are international in nature are also international in nature. Nationalistic countries that are out for America first or China first, they're not going to be able to solve these integrated problems. Dan, America's solved terrorism. Sure. We have spent so many years just solving terrorism and we're doing great. And we nailed it. We nailed it. So those are the three reasons.

We absolutely didn't create an environment that grew far more terrorism than it stopped by a million times. That would be crazy. Ludacris. America first. So those are the three reasons that he gives for thinking that it's plausible now, whereas he didn't before. Yeah. He goes on to talk about how like Obama now coming into office, it seems like he is someone who is much more interested in international cooperation. He goes on to bring up this thing, the Managing Global Insecurity Project. That's actually about white men. Could be. They're very globally insecure. John Podesto was on the advisory board of this group and they were pushing for UN working on counterterrorism. They're working for a legally binding climate

change agreement and working to strengthen the UN peacekeeping forces. Yeah. So he's using that as kind of like, okay, Obama is associated with John Podesto. He is someone who is into working with the UN to strengthen their positions. Well, maybe these are indications that the world is becoming more amenable to that. But if you actually read the article. Oh, is there a but coming at the end of this? If you read the article, I will quote, but let's not get carried away. While it seems feasible that some sort of world government might emerge over the next century, any push for global governance in the here and now would be painful as slow process. There are good and bad reasons for this. The bad reason is the lack of will and determination on the

part of national political leaders who, while they might like to talk about a planet in peril, are ultimately still much more focused on their next election at home. 12 years left before we die, Dan. But this problem also hints at a more welcome reason why making progress on global governance will be slow sledding. Even in the EU, the heartland of law based international government, the idea remains unpopular. That's just he's being very blunt. Yeah, it turns out people aren't that interested. What, what this was what 2009? Yeah, this is like a probably end of 2008. So even in the EU, global governance is an unpopular idea. And how many years later before Brexit, Catalan, thinking about creating its own country, Italy, thinking about

getting out of the EU, all of these different places. Yeah, they are not creating a global government. Are they? No, no, no, no. No, they're actually actively tearing down even the slightest co operational government. Yeah, this and now for a world government article ends with quote, the world's most pressing political problems may indeed be international in nature, but the average citizen's political identity remains stubbornly local. Until someone cracks this problem, that plan for a world government may have to stay locked away in a safe at the UN. Yeah. So even in this article, if you actually read it, just because the title is and now for a world government, it's not announcing a world government in the way that Alex thinks it is. So he likes to play this

game where he's like, I'm reading between the lines. This author is really saying that the world government is here, but maybe the text says it isn't. But if you look into the author, he has been very critical of world government. In fact, he was against, I believe it was in 2001, he argued publicly and passionately against the idea of the UK taking on the euro as one of its currencies. Yeah, he is against all this shit. Yeah, because his name is Aaron Russo. It's not. It's idiotic. But it's like, you know, you can't use that argument. This author clearly doesn't have some subversive pro-world government opinion. And his article is, you know, the trend in the world seems to be heading in the direction that this is plausible. But unfortunately,

unfortunately, because the problems that we face are international in nature, and people aren't interested in that. That's not going to happen. His article says it's not going to happen. So anyway, that's just a little slight turn in the road. It is an interesting thing to look back on now as he's describing these global problems and how many, if not all of our politicians are far more interested in themselves getting elected again. When we look at an international coalition of scientists saying like, Hey, within 12 years, if we don't take action, we're literally fucked. Yeah. And everybody who read that report, everybody, and I, when you read it, I assume, or maybe did you read it? I read parts. Yeah. Okay. When you, I have too much Alex

to focus on. Yeah. Yeah. When you look at that, though, my first thought was, we're fucked. It was not like, Oh, there's a chance that we're all going to work together now. I was immediately like, we're fucked. It's like, you got three more elections. Yeah. What, what should have been the conclusion of that article is not, we should all come together and deal with climate change. It's that somebody needs to work on geoengineering real quick. Abandon this hole. We need to cut down on carbon emissions because that shit ain't going to happen. Sure. So somebody got to figure out another way to go and solve this problem. Maybe some enterprising young, not full of shit. Elon Musk is working on that as we speak. Yeah, let's hope. So Alex is dumb. All that's dumb. And he

said earlier that Gerald Salenti is the world's top trends forecaster. He just forecast trends better than anybody. Yeah. Here's a trend he's forecasting. Let's see if this one came true. Bell bottoms. And we're going to start seeing riots in major cities that rival way surpassed actually those that we saw back in the 1960s when cities were being burnt down. You're going to start seeing the same thing happen in the United States. We're forecasting by this summer. And we're saying to people, you better prepare the summer of rage, baby. Exactly. Summer of rage is a coming back. We all remember how many US cities burned to the ground in the summer of that be, I guess, 2009. Yeah. Yeah. Nope. Also, I really hate sleepy Salenti. I hate it. Yeah. I like high

register Salenti. What we're going to see in the coming future is a lot of riots in the cities. You can't trust people who live in cities, Dan. There are all kinds of people there. I like it when he's excited. So he's doing his bullshit. Alex is still sort of preoccupied by this Mayak report that's been delivered to him. And again, we have much more to discuss vis-à-vis his response to it. But he hasn't actually read it yet. Of course. Because he just got it. And now he's on air still. He's still dealing with that bad interview that he did. Yeah. And so he just decides to announce that he's right about everything. Okay. This is unclassified law enforcement sensitive. And they say, we'll go after anybody that covers

this. This is the First Amendment. This is America. This is what the police and military are being trained. It says here, North American Union conspiracy theorists claim the union would link Canada, the United States and Mexico. The NAU would unify its monetary system and trade the dollar for the Amaro associated with the theory is concerned of Renata Superhighway, which would fast trap between the three nations. And it goes on to mix in him with white supremacists. It has nothing. Well, there's the Wall Street Journal market watch. How realistic is the North American currency? It says uniting US, Canada, Mexico. Money could result from crisis. And then they admit what we read out of the Robert Passer CFR public documents, judicial watch sued.

And this is put out by Simon and Schuster in books now. Jerome Corsi, you guys look like fools. You look like a fool. Yeah, his proof is a book that fucking Jerome Corsi wrote that you got to do better. And then his other proof that it's not crazy that the North American Union is being put together is this article is how realistic is a North American currency here from January 28 2009 written by a guy named Todd Harrison. Again, this is an instance of an article with a title that does not represent the content of the body of the article. It's click baiting. He's talking about the idea that like, you know, there is a financial crisis that's going on. It did an idea is combining the three countries because there are natural resources to be used in Canada.

There's ingenuity in quotes with America, and there's cheap labor in Mexico. So the three coming together as one unit might be competitive on a global level. So he discusses that possibility, gets into some ideas. And then if you look at the end of this article, once again, quote, this particular path isn't something one would wish for, but the cumulative imbalances that steadily built our finance based economy must be resolved one way or another. Therein lies the critical crossroads we together face as our wary world attempts to find its way. Scary? Yes. Probable? Not so much, at least for the time being. Possible? Certainly. Although all again offer that it could take years before the pieces of this prickly puzzle fall into place.

Effective money management dictates weighing the entire probability spectrum of potential outcomes and factoring them into our decision making process. While the notion of a seismic currency shift may seem obscure, we must respect the possibility long before it becomes front page news. So he's saying again, probable? Not so much. This is a possibility. It's way far off in the future if it even happens. But because effective money management dictates it, we need to discuss any possibility and talk about the ramifications of those things. So the article, how realistic is a North American union in one currency? Not, not very. It's not very, not very likely. So again, Alex is taking that and a Jerome Corsi book to try and prove that like the North American union,

it's not conspiracy theory. It's fucking real. And he's doing that because the North American union and the NAFTA superhighway that we covered in our end game coverage at Nozium are listed in that Mayak document about conspiracies that people in these militias believe in. So Alex has to be like, that's not a conspiracy. That's totally real. Do you think he's uh, do you think Alex is a part of a militia? I can't answer that. I really have no idea. I don't know. I think that there's a very strong possibility that there are some at least spiritual roots to some militias. But I don't think he would take the risk of being involved in an actual militia. No, no, no. But like, I, I, my, my feeling is that he's not personally in a militia,

but he's like once removed. Like he has plenty of people he knows. I wouldn't be surprised if he's family. Yeah, exactly. Right. Which is probably why he takes this Mayak report so personally, because he's like, they're describing all of the things that my buddies are. And all of the things that they describe as being like things that people in militia groups believe in red flags. They're all things that he believes in. Yeah. So it's not, it's not that like, this report, even in, if you look at the entirety of it and you say, Oh, I, all of this describes me to a T. Yeah. That's still not saying that you are a member of one of those militias. Right. Or that even you should be suspected of being a member of one of those militias. Yeah. They are saying that

people in those militias believe these sorts of things. They use this sort of iconography and believe these conspiracy theories. It's a trend among that group. Here's what I would do. Here's what I would say. It's this simple. It's saying that if it's saying that many members of group X like thing, why, yeah, it's not saying if you like thing, why, then you are a member of group X. Right. That is a transversing of the, the inference. And you can't do that. That that you, one does not follow from the other. It's like saying many people who are neo Nazis like to wear leather jackets. If you're wearing a leather jacket, then you are probably a neo Nazi. It's the exact same sort of logic. And it just doesn't work. Yeah. When you flip it, it doesn't work.

But you have to understand logic in order to actually, you don't even have to understand logic. You have to just not be a fucking idiot. It's reading comprehension and basic reasoning. That's all it is. Yeah. Alex lacks those things. And so he comes on air and is reporting this thing as like, they're calling us all terrorists. Yeah, I knew it. And so we get to the 12th now. And we find ourselves meeting up with a sleepy Alex. One, one thing that's so, so important there is that Alex finds it incredibly offensive whenever it is done to him and his white supremacist buddies. But every Muslim is a radical Muslim terrorist. Oh, sure. Well, I guess he's not quite on that tip yet. Awful close. He will be. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, no, no, no. Right now in 2009. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I meant. Now he absolutely. 100%. Yeah. If he saw some sort of like a document somehow portraying, you know, like, oh, radical Muslim groups all use this or many of them use this signal. Yeah. This iconography and stuff like that. He'd be like, thank God, someone's putting out warnings. Yeah. I mean, on an elementary level, it's so stupid. Yeah. Because even I'm on the left, I'm a left leaning person. If I saw like a police report, some sort of law enforcement report, that was like, many terrorist groups on the left use this sign, many of them believe in this. I wouldn't be really self conscious if I also believed that thing. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

think that they were talking about me. Right. Because I understand who cares. Yeah. So now we're on the 12th. Alex is tired. He's real tired. He is tired. He wants to complain about it. It's tough. There's a reason he's life is hard reason. I tell you, no rest for the wicked, even though I'm trying to be good in a lot of radio and TV interviews right now in association with all of our work and doing this radio show four hours a day. And I sat in for a couple hours with Jason Bermas last night and oversaw the launch of the Obama deception. It is live. Ladies and gentlemen, it is out. It is available right now at prisonplanet.tv. Get it. Get it. It's so expensive by 8D DVDs and just start throwing them out of your car. Absolutely. And anybody who's near you,

it's free online though. So without the fanfare that he probably would have loved, he comes on air and very groggily says, it's out. I put it out last night while I was on air, Jason Bermas. So go watch it. It's great. I don't know. It's out. Yeah, it's out. He did. Congratulations. He used all the tricks he could. He claimed the FBI was starting to stop him from putting it out and now it's here. So Alex explains that like, I don't even want you to pay me for this. All I need is to be able to cover the bandwidth and stuff. I'm just into getting the truth out there. Of course. But then he accidentally keeps talking and he kind of invalidates his own argument. You know, as long as I can pay for the bandwidth, I'd give it all out for free in the

highest quality to the whole world because that's what I'm into. I'm not into broads. I'm not into I guess I am into broads. My wife, I guess I can't say I'm not in a fast car. They're got a fast car. The point is that's not what I worship. I'm not into big houses. I'm not into trinkets. I'm not into being worshiped. I'm not into people thinking I'm great. I'm into defeating criminals, defeating the new world order. He has a giant mansion in multiple boats and he loves it when people worship. I have no idea why he just made all of the descriptors of himself. I'm not into broads. Wait, I'm into broads. I'm not into fast cars. Well, I got a fast car. I don't like big houses. Well, I got a big house. Alex. Yeah, you're not good at this. So that's really just

fun to see him like waffley. But there's something I really didn't need to do any of that. No, not need to. I'm not really into broads. Well, I got to be honest. I think that that's a good introduction to what's about to happen because Alex gets like real fucked up about women. And I don't think that I've in my listening to 2009, there is a lot of chauvinism. There's a lot of Alex as a variant to his male identity and all that shit. But I don't think I've heard stuff that is this overtly like I had my jaw open like what? What are you saying? Was that also in the Mayak report? A massive amount of misogyny is another signifier of well, I mean, it's in the second paragraph, white males felt that they were losing their empowerment because of women and

minorities. Yep. So yeah, it is a part of that. But and that's why part of the reason why I'm saying that fucking report is prescient as hell. Yeah. So in this next clip, I would say that Alex is shockingly close to understanding something. He's so close to understanding it that he couldn't be further away. If that makes sense. Okay. And these parents send their daughters off and get them apartments in foreign cities. This is a stray thought, but I would also like to point out that Taken came out on January 30, 2009. Okay. All right. This is this is going to color a lot of what's going on. Taken had just come out right before I think Alex was late seeing it. So so parents send their daughters all the time out to these foreign cities by themselves by themselves by

themselves. So let's start this over with the knowledge that Taken had just come out. And these parents send their daughters off and get them apartments in foreign cities, you know, in other states and they don't get them firearms training. They don't give them a firearm. They don't even, you know, they give them maybe some little key chain. You'll always see scared women in a parking lot. You know, I'll go to the grocery store. I'll get home at 10 30 at night. My wife, my wife goes out, we need orange juice and pancake mix and strawberries and blah, blah, blah. We go to the store and I go, sure. And I go to the, you know, HEB or whatever at midnight and I'll be pushing my little card out. There's always women and they,

and they get scared and they, you know, they jingle their keys. They'll usually have like some little, some little, you know, pointed thing on their keys and they, you know, because it's, it's, they'll be like 15 cars in the parking lot. And of course your, your cars park right by, every time where the other lone woman's coming out. This is actually where I was thinking like, this is the beginning of like a bad standup bit, you know, like here in the parking lot, there's 15 cars. Of course you're next to the other one. Like, oh boy, this is, this is not going to go well. It's always never on the other side. Sometimes I'll just go to a coat machine and get a water. I see a woman walking out all just because they're so paranoid, so scared, so

out of their mind with fear. You're so close. You're so close. If you imagine how much they're scared of people that might have tattoos or might be black. I mean, I look like, you know, whoa, a younger Archie Bunker or something. Yeah, that's terrifying. You know, your, your, your, you know, your average white schmo. Very unfriendly. And I mean, these women will be shaking and they'll get in their car real fast and slam the door and you're there unloading the vegetables in the back of your car, looking at her. Okay, lady. Believe me. Whoa. You're so, you're so close. It's weird though. The women that aren't that attractive, they act even more paranoid and then you'll have some less close. Whoa. Foxy chicken, the parking lot, and she's

kind of smiling at you and everything. It's weird. You're losing me. The issue here is that pull up, there's a mountain club. Women are just gripped with fear. Back on. They are gripped with just out of control fear. Got it. And I can't imagine having two daughters. What it would be like to raise them to be cowardly, to raise them to be weak, to raise them to be victims. Not my girls. They're going to be locked and loaded. Anybody busting their house, anybody gives them a problem. They're going to kill you. Oh, didn't stick the land. You might need a bella corolla after all. Man. Oh, Jesus. Boy, that is weird to listen to. That is gross. He just, he's almost there. And then he goes as far away as possible.

Well, because the observations are there, but the empathy isn't. You know what I'm saying? Like anyone could tell that women are afraid, but he's, he can't take that next step into asking himself why, right? Or caring to understand. Yeah, exactly. The idea that women are often attacked in parking lots at midnight. Yeah. Like that sort of thing. It's when you're alone in a parking lot and some strange person comes over, you probably expect at least some sort of unwelcome interaction or something, you know, that could turn bad if you turn them down for sure. Like that sort of thing. I would dare say that most women have experienced something like that or know someone who has, who's told them about it. Yeah. That is in most people's at least second

hand experience of life. Yeah, absolutely. No, I was coming back from Zany's one night at like, it was the late show Saturday, got out late. So I didn't get back until like two 30. And I got off the train and I'm walking home and I always walk with my headphones in. I got my head down, not doing anything. I find myself like, just looking up when I'm 10 feet behind this other woman walking by herself at night, she turned around, noticed me and screamed. And I was like, fuck, no, you're right to do that. But that's not me this time. Oh, no, that's not what I'm supposed to say. Shit. No, you're supposed to say is she should have been at a gun. Yeah, no, it's like, of course, this is a this is a thing. This being harassed in the daytime is terrifying,

let alone when you're by yourself at night and there's no one around to even witness. I'm a large man with a giant beard and I'm probably not super comfortable in a parking lot alone at midnight. Yeah, exactly. Oh man, he just doesn't put that thing together where it's like, if all of these women are terrified, maybe there's a justified reason because he believes that the reason is that they don't have guns. He believes the reason is they were raised to be victims. Right, there's that too. Yeah, I mean, and he doesn't he can't even put together that and the reason he can't do that is because all of his fears are unjustified. Well, there's that piece of it. He only understands fear from an irrational standpoint. And because his worldview necessitates creating victims of

people. Yeah, he has to be he's it's so important for him to be on the side that is dominant in many ways. Yeah. And so he can't empathize with the idea of the people who are dominated having a legitimate criticism against his right or his right. So he exists in this space where you, like I say, you can make the observation very easily, but then understanding and dealing with it is impossible. It's weird. It's fucking it's so weird. And then because he's such a gross dude, he goes into the like, it's always the ugly ones who are scared. The hot ones want to flirt with you. I really didn't want to engage with that because I just want him to get a brick thrown at his head. That's the only way he can experience the world. And I'm sure that that doesn't actually

work in his like actual experience. I'm sure it's even more it's even more deluded because it's it's rooted in his idea of like, the attractive women flirt with me no matter where I am, no matter what time it is, I'm going to a hotel to do an interview and like eight different women are like, Oh, I can't get my eyes off of you. Yeah. And then and then we'd be remiss if we didn't point out the other underlying racism in there of the I look like a young Archie Bunker. It's not like I have tattoos or God forbid I'm black. Yeah. Yeah. Great work, dude. What? Like he spoke for a minute and a half there and just expressed rampant underlying racism misogyny and disrespect disregard for people. Yeah. And unwillingness to engage with

people's subjective experience of the world. Yeah, that was incredibly disgusting. And he still has no idea why everybody hates him, right? Or thinks that he's a disgusting person. Yeah, zero idea like whoa, I'm not doing anything gross. Right. This next clip is even weirder. My women no domesticated cowardly people. Period. And you know what? I said that possessively. You're right. I'm a I'm a male chauvinist pig. I'm possessive of women and they like the fact they're my women. No. Grandma likes the fact she's my woman. That's not okay. Mother likes the fact that she's my woman. Not dad. Not dad. I'm possessive. Whoa. I don't know how they take your survival instinct out of you and how they teach you feminism is

being cowardly and scared and shaking with five locks on your door. Unenpowered. Let me tell you real feminism is it's a woman with a submachine gun. It's a woman that if you go after she's going to karate chop you in the neck. If you tackle her, she's going to bite you. She's going to scratch your eyes out if she didn't get the draw, get the gun in your face. I mean, this is sick. They've turned the men into gilded chicken neck cowardly people and they turn the women into chicken neck cowards and we're not supposed to be like that. That's not who we are. Yuck. Yuck. Also, I would say that it may be another

version of feminism is not tackling women. Men not doing shit like that is a nice way to respect women. That is such a just fucking disgusting. That's and that's the shit that's going on right now over and over and over again. The more these idiots talk about Kavanaugh, the more they talk about this, they're like, Oh, they're just taking men's bill. Like they're just cutting our balls off. We're not what we're not allowed to dominate people anymore. Like, just just turn it. Just turn it around for one second. Like they you're I'm able to consider the possibility of what you're saying and then dismiss it and they are not able to consider the possibility of what anybody else is saying because their brain is so fucking warped.

That's because you only believe that because you were cucked out and raised like a little weak victim baby. No, no. I'm fine. A little victim baby. Five door locks. I don't understand what it is that requires domination for you to feel like a man. Like that's that's some sort of like unevolved lizard brain bullshit where it's like I have to be able to murder somebody at any moment. It's such an expression of fear. Like the idea of needing that in order to feel secure or anything like that. That really does. And the idea that like you're not really empowered unless you have a submachine gun or you were willing to commit violence against people. Yeah, that's fucked up. It's just an insecure scared childish position. That's all he expresses. But we already know

that it's just it's gross to see it described that way. And like, yeah, these are my fucking women. Although I do love that he's like, my grandma is my woman. My mom is my woman. My dad. Whoops. He's my dad. They're my women. Because he's in the middle of ranting about his way. He doesn't understand. Oh, God. Oh, just being possessive now, because I accidentally said a dude. Oh, man, what a fucking moron. He's pretty dumb. So now at this point, because it's the 12th, the next day, he's had the opportunity to read this Mayak report, I believe probably. Anyway, he's also posted something about it on info wars.com. And a lot of people are in the comment section saying, nah, nope. Right. They're disagreeing with him or saying that it's fake or whatever.

And this pisses him off. People start commenting on the info wars.com story. Oh, I don't believe this. I want this confirmed. Hey, jackasses, and I'm sorry to use that term, but you really need to get your head out of the sand. Call the phone number. We did. They've refused to come on. We have two senior state police officers names, and they admit they issued this. It's confirmed. And we just wrote up the blurb, their names, what they told us is being sent to Paul Watson, who's doing a story on it. So yes, it's real. It's true. Ron Paul, libertarians, Bob Barr supporters, constitutional party supporters, you are terrorist that want to kill police is basically what this says. What about Bob? Ron Paul is basically a terrorist.

And yes, call the phone number on the thing for yourself before you start accusing me of lying. I am sick of your denial. Okay. You're lying. And the reason that he's lying is because he's misrepresenting what the report is. Yeah. Even when he's, even when he's got evidence, he's still lying about it. Like for the first time, he can literally point to something and be like, I have a real document. I can spread information that you literally cannot get anywhere else right now. Yeah. And I am going to lie through my teeth about it. Yeah. So towards the end of the Mayak report, it says common malicious symbols. And one of the sub headlines is political and anti government rhetoric. militia members most commonly associate with third party political groups.

It's not uncommon for militia members to display constitutional party campaign for liberty or libertarian material. These members are usually supporters of former presidential candidate Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin or Bob Barr. So that they're just using that as an example. They're not saying again, they're not saying that if you support Ron Paul, you're a member of one of these militias that they're talking about, right? They're saying commonly members of these militias are supporters of Ron Paul, right? This is this is really the sort of reasoning people in junior high should be capable of you would think this is ludicrous that Alex Jones is getting on air and suggesting to his very suggestible audience who don't like to read things that this report is

saying that if you support Ron Paul, you're a terrorist and you want to kill cops, right? Because it doesn't say that which it doesn't say anything close to that which he is also by doing that probably pushing more people to join these very malicious. Oh, you bet. You bet. You bet. Because he's saying, well, see, look, the threat is real. So you need to join a militia thereby making it even more obvious that that is a correct assessment. There is a certain amount of like Alex's own propaganda doesn't serve his best interest in this case or anyone's best interest. No, definitely not ours. So this next clip, he misunderstands the Mayak report even more and brings up some of his old rhetoric that I think is important to touch on for a second in order to

bolster his misunderstanding of the Mayak report. We put this out with other FBI training manuals and FBI training flyers to police saying look out for constitutionalists and those that make frequent references to the US Constitution and gun owners and they say right next to that, you know, they want to kill cops, look out. This is specifically talking about FBI reports about sovereign citizens. Yeah, this is not talking about Ron Paul supporters or Patriots or anything like that, or even people who just believe in the Constitution. It's about sovereign citizens and how their behavior is generally always bring up the Constitution in ways that don't make sense. Right. That is something that is a threat to police because police have been

attacked and killed by sovereign citizens who don't respect their authority during traffic stops. So Alex bringing that up is unrelated to the larger issue of what he's trying to cover with the Mayak report. But because it feels similar and Alex is kind of sympathetic to sovereign citizenship, he brings it up in order to weave this tapestry that is it's just it's all bullshit. Yeah, even if they're not violent, if somebody believes that the sheriff is the highest law on the land, be wary. Well, be wary. I think that there is a there's a like innocuous way that that belief can exist in someone. But I also just believing that the sheriff is the highest authority, whatever, like if I believe that it would never affect my life. No, because I don't

have I don't because we don't have a sheriff. Well, I don't also don't run into law enforcement all that often. I have a privileged position in life where and I don't run into cops much or anything like that. I don't have to deal with the senators or anything. So if I believed abstractly that the sheriff was the highest law on the land, I could just live my life believing that the problem is Yeah, but I would be wary of you. That's fair. The problem is that if you drive around and you don't have license plates or a driver's license, you're often going to be interacting with police. And if you don't believe that they have the authority to stop you because you don't have license plates on your car, then it's going to become an issue. That's much more

problematic than just the possibly quirky belief in the sheriff, I guess. Yeah. So anyway, like I said, Alex is going to misrepresent my act a little more just totally made up totally. And in this new document, it says there's also mainstream public groups that say they want state rights and that and that try to get involved in the community and say they want to work with police and sheriffs and say they want to work with the cities and and then they're secretly violent cell groups. Look, just anybody involved in anything, you're a terrorist. So this is childish thinking once again. In the report, let me scroll to the right part of it because I have I have the entire thing open here. They talk about the organization of a number of these

militia groups that they've studied. And they say, quote, these organizations hold training events that are open to the public and generally recruit publicly. These groups desire to by the way, I'm sorry, this is the sub headline public groups, which is a sub category of these militias. These groups desire to aid the county sheriff or governor in emergencies such as a natural disaster. It is not uncommon for these groups to be seen in public doing community service related work. Public groups are less likely to publicly push malicious malicious rhetoric and have a traditional military style chain of command and leadership structure. These groups have been known to form underground units and provide training and guidance to new or forming organizations.

These groups have been known to does not mean all of them do. That just means some of these groups do. Yeah, that is not saying that if you see a public group that is into the Constitution or Ron Paul, that doesn't mean that there but the language here does not imply that you should then become suspicious that they also have underground cells. Yeah. The only way you can think that is if you're warping the text. It's it's pathetic. You should learn to read. So in the interim between the 11th and the 12th, Alex has released the Obama deception. But also he's had Rob do try and investigate this Myak report. So Rob do comes on who that's that must have been like a three Stooges sketch. He had one job and that was basically to confirm this and

get some quotes from the Missouri Highway Patrol. And instead he just wandered on and off screen. No, he has like a confirmation, I guess that it's a real document from talking to the people at the Missouri Information Analysis Center, which is what Myak stands for. And so Rob do comes on to express what he has learned. And then we see what Alex's response to that is. And I called him he's at the State Highway Patrol. And I want to see if he wanted to come on and talk about the Myak strategic report and gave him the date. I said, we got this in and if he's interested in coming on talking about it, we'd love to talk about it. No. And he confirmed that it was theirs and it's he wanted to give me a quote in the beginning. Well, this is this is what it is.

And he says it was normal operation for officers. And that's his quote. And to receive these reports for a quote, safety purposes and to track trends or changes. And he said more, but that's what I wrote down. So that's all I want to say that he quoted. You know, no, no, it's okay. Let's not be neurotic about this. I'm not saying I mean, no, no, come back and tell us. I know you're trying to write as fast as you could. You can paraphrase reporters do that. Right. Basically, what else he told you? We want all of it. I'm going to squeeze every drop of information out of you. Rob do prepare to be interrogated on air when we get back. Yikes. So this is exactly what Alex did when Rob do talk to his uncle who was allegedly investigating Sandy Hook. Yeah. This is what

Rob Alex does to Rob do back then. Rob is trying to be a reporter in 2009. He's unwilling or at least disinclined to just embellish and make stuff up. Yeah. And then on air, Alex is like, Rob, you're a fucking reporter. You don't have to have these standards. That's not what reporters do. Yeah. You can just say, what did you feel when you were talking to him? And Rob do is like, I don't know about that. Rob do Rob do literally was just like, I didn't do a very good job. And Alex is like, that's great. Right. Continue doing a bad job. That's what I want from you. The part that's making you do a terrible job is your inability to just bluff. Yeah. Just just take the governor off and start fucking lying. Yeah. So they come back from commercial and Rob

reiterates pretty much all the stuff you'd already said, which is they confirmed that this was theirs and it was for training and educational use in law enforcement. And here's what Alex, how he responds. Rob, I mean, I understand you scribbled notes. You were being specific with those, but no, tell us what else he said. Right. Well, he went into, I'll go back over to him. He said, I'm just going to Alex, I said what he said. And now I'm going to continue saying what he said. I'm uncomfortable with the position you're putting me in. I'm not there yet, Alex. I'm not ready to lie. I need to take a UCB level one class before I'm able to flow with your bullshit. Come on, man. Yeah. So it even Alex gets frustrated because Rob

do just repeats the same innocuous information that he got from the phone call. And so this is how he responds. Now we already covered that. Anything else? That's pretty much it. It was a short conversation. They were, uh, you know, they were all very polite, but, you know, they don't want to talk about it. They want to hide in the shadows. Give me a favor. Yeah. Go sit in your office for five minutes and then anything else was said. All right. Believe me, more was said. Think. No, no, no. I mean, this is how it always is. Remember, go back to the conversation. He's putting Rob in time out. Rob, go back. We're going to get the head of HR, my dad, to sit next to you and to teach you how to lie. Right. Get buckly with a baseball bat. Yeah. Yeah. Just slapping

it against his hand. Yeah. And the slapping it against his hand is like, Oh my God, that's an interesting beat. Yeah. That's how he became a DJ. That's how he became a DJ. All the origin stories are coming together. Oh yeah. So Alex has put out the Obama deception. Oh, it's just, it's super funny that he keeps trying to get Rob to lie and, and he just won't go for it. Yeah. It's not called the Rob Deuception. And to see, uh, that be exactly the same as, like I said, with, uh, his uncle situation. He kept just saying the quotes that he had written down. Alex kept trying to get him to lie. It's fascinating that he is such a bully. It's not that fast. No, it's not that very, very absolutely right. 100%. So, uh, like I said, he's released the Obama deception and they're getting

some traffic from it on the YouTube channel, which is understandable. It's a, you know, a big documentary release. Alex has been teasing it, says the FBI is afraid of them putting it out. Um, but he ends up making a claim about his YouTube channel that I, there's literally no chance this is true. And by the way, the Alex Jones channel, which was not the official Alex Jones channel, but we work with a guy that has it now and have kind of taken it over, but he's still running at Dave doing a fabulous job. We appreciate all his work. It is now the number one YouTube channel. That can't be true. Number one. I mean, you can go to, uh, I didn't know this till about 30 minutes ago. Paul Watson sent me the link and I, Paul post that in the link or Nemo or

some issues to a blurb on it, but a number one YouTube channel, numero uno, numero uno. So that is very, very, very exciting. I don't know how exciting it is when you have that kind of a We're the number one channel. It's exciting. I am pumped. I think we would be excited more. I would be laughing about it. I know. Yeah. But, um, I know ASMR hadn't really taken off yet in 2009. I'm still going to go out on a limb and say the Alex Jones channel wasn't number one. No, there are actually, like there's records on that stuff. I mean, but also you have to ask yourself like, what does number one mean? Most subscribers, most views. What is it? You know, what does it mean? He's being so vague as to it not being anything you could possibly look up.

He doesn't have the most subscribers. That is, uh, you know, that information's public. It was some kid who did skits in 2009 was the, uh, does the number one is like Fred or something like that. I don't fucking know. Fuck you, Fred. I went and looked at all the list of like the people who had the number one subscriber count go time and like, I don't know any of these. I missed out on a lot of internet culture. So that can't be it. Most downloads or views. That's absolutely not him either. That, that's not the only thing I think is possible is because he's just released this documentary, the Obama deception, it's possible that he's rising through the ranks. Yeah. Like maybe he got most growth or whatever. Yeah. Trending. Yeah. Something along

those lines. He's interpreting that as being the number one channel. And it's like your number one in, uh, heat seekers or whatever that chart would be called. And he's saying that we're number one. You're not, uh, but it would be exciting. It even could be like just some random ass blog was like, my number one YouTube channel is Alex Jones. And he's like, we're number one. I would believe that he would take that to mean that. Yeah, for sure. Then the other thing too is like it's possible that he's number one in some sort of like subcategory, like political channels, number one. He's the number one liar. Uh, he's the number one liars YouTube channel. Right. I always find that super funny. Like when I'm going through Amazon looking for books and stuff like

that, like these crazy people, like that Alex is associated with. Yeah. And you'll see like, uh, in the subcategory of like, uh, uh, army survivalism, like the, the breakdown of all the subcategories. And then it's still like number 2,045. Gotta do better there. Uh, who am I thinking of? Can't remember his name. Matt Bracken. Oh yeah. Yeah. Anyway, uh, we have one last clip and it's almost superfluous, but it's all, I mean, it's just, it's almost a button. It's redundant at this point. But, uh, Alex is women aren't people. Nope. That would also be redundant for him to say, but this is about the Mayak report. And this is really the narrative that he is going to put forth, uh, in the future. And it's taken shape already here on March 12th. And it's fully,

fully inaccurate. Okay. The Mayak state police federally written report that Ron Paul supporters are all basically terrorists that want to kill police and that all libertarians are basically terrorist and anybody that doesn't like the new world order is a terrorist. It's confirmed. We talked to the state police. We put out their names and info. We're going to add that to the articles and Paul's right. Another big one right now. So that's not, I mean, it's just not true. It's not true based on the report. And now that he's already put it out and that's his narrative, he's going to move forward with it to the point where I remember episodes in like the 2015 stuff we're talking about in the past, he's brought up the Mayak report. Yeah. It's a giant piece of his

mythology and it's all bullshit. Yeah. It's all based on a childish rhetorical misunderstanding. It's entirely based on Alex not understanding the rules of inference and how language works. That's all it is. Just saying that most militia members that we have studied support individuals like Ron Paul does not, it's not the equivalent of saying, if you like Ron Paul, you're probably a terrorist. Yeah. There is just, like this is why I talk about a lot, maybe much more in the past, but I still believe it. The essential educational pieces for children has to be understanding of semantics. It has to be logic. Like those sorts of things have to be a part of every curriculum for every kid growing up. Because if you understand those

things, you can't be tricked like this. You just can't. Like if you understand baseline linguistics logic, like not even advanced stuff, you don't even need predicate logic to get into this. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't even like you saying those words. But if you just understand very basic, uh, sentential logic, you can just go in and look at this and see like, Oh, I see what they're saying. Oh, that's exactly the opposite of what Alex is saying. But I understand why Alex thinks that because he doesn't understand it. Yeah, it allows you to cut through the bullshit. You can parse the arguments. You can parse the sentences. And it's so easy to see like, Oh, I wish I could just sit down and talk to you, Alex, and like, let you know why you're misunderstanding

this. Then you take a step back and realize he doesn't care that he's misunderstanding. Yeah, he's probably doing it intentionally. I don't know if that's, I don't know. I don't know. This one kind of, this one kind of leans towards the dumb spectrum for me or defensive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even then, like that's, that's a misunderstanding of how law enforcement works. Yeah. No, there's the FBI at its most racist wasn't even like, all Black Panthers are violent terrorists. Yeah. It was just like every Black Panther needs to be put in jail, but they're not all violent. Sure. They're like, they're, they're awful. But that doesn't even make any fucking sense. It doesn't. Jesus. So I'm excited because I now, like I said earlier in the episode at the beginning,

I am coming into the next episode when I listened to March 13th, expecting it's going to be all more my ac report stuff. I bet it's not. I bet I'm wrong. I bet anything I own that it's something super crazy that will blindside me. Yeah. Also, by the way, I didn't include this, but the last hour and a half of March 12th, 2009, Alex brings back onto the show, doctor, not doctor, Rebecca Carly, the, Oh, no, to talk about how mental illness is. No, no, no, it's about vaccines and about that avian flu bullshit narrative that we already covered. Great. Rebecca Carly, if you don't remember, is the doctor who years before 2009 had her license stripped because she was too delusional to be trusted to practice on public

individuals and then became a hero of the anti-vax movement because that same delusion. Yeah. So congratulations, Alex. This is, I like, I like 2009 so much, so much fun, so much weird shit. I actually, stepping back now, I really don't think that I did a great job of explaining the Mayak report because quite honestly, I could have done it much briefer. I think I could have just said, it's a description of militia groups that the law enforcement had studied, commonalities, trends, things that they've noticed within it. Alex is misrepresenting it by trying to invert the logic and saying that these commonalities, these similarities, if you have those similarities about you, you are then a militia member. Yeah. I think it's that simple.

I think I could have explained it in like two or three sentences. Anyway, it's nonsense. Especially because at this time and in the 80s and 90s, a lot of law enforcement infiltrated these militia groups. There are a lot of the times with a lot of these militia groups, there is a cop or so. Yeah. Just undercover, just monitoring, just like, hey, we know militia groups bomb places. Let's have a guy who's going to let us know if they're going to bomb someplace. Like a lot of the, whenever you talk about the, we stopped this militia group from blowing up Oklahoma City gay bars. Yeah. That's most likely because there was a guy in there providing information. Yeah. They didn't stop it on like, it wasn't like a cop was walking by and going like, hmm, I got a hunch something's going on

over there. Like these guys have intel. And that is probably part of what the Mayak report has written on. All of these undercover guys sharing information about the different militia groups that they're in. That's why it's accurate. Yeah. And even then, I'm sure the report is like the prescriptions therein aren't like, hey, if you see a guy who is a sovereign citizen, you know he's part of a militia group. But it's like, if you see a guy who's doing all of this stuff, ask more questions. But that's the thing. It's not even prescriptive. It's entirely descriptive. Yeah. It's all just a study of these militia groups that they have. Like you said, I mean, I think that's perfectly put. They have a overabundance of information about these groups. Yeah. And that's why when you

look at this, especially nine years later, there is so much that rings so true. Yeah. Like all of it is like, oh, wow, you guys, you guys knew about this back then. Right. Wish we'd done something about it. The best part though is that because those militia groups definitely haven't infiltrated law enforcement. Oh, there's definitely no way that the law enforcement and the military are, I don't know, rife with white supremacists. That's crazy, Dan. It's a two-way street, dude. Here's the thing. What they describe in there is unfortunately also, this is what Alex doesn't want to wrestle with. It's true. Yeah. Like the idea that people in militias that are dangerous support Ron Paul is true. Yeah. Generally speaking, that is true. Yeah. The idea that a lot of them

are into zeitgeist, the Turner Diaries and anti-tax documentaries like Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism is also true. Anti-Semitism? True. Misogyny? True. Racism? True. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I bet that they would never, I don't know, shut down a nature reservoir. Well, like nothing in here necessarily, nothing in this brings like descriptively false. No. It actually is very, it's dead on. It's more right on than you'd expect. And then Alex talks about like how it ties Ron Paul supporters in with white supremacists and it doesn't. No, Ron Paul himself ties Ron Paul supporters in with white supremacists. The part that they're talking about like militant anti-abortionists and white nationalists and Christian identity people, it very specifically

says members of the militia movement often subscribe to the ideology of other right wing extremist movements such as and then describes those it's not is really bothers me. Yeah. Because it's so elementary. It's so basic. If you if it's it's maddening because it's such a low bar understanding. Dan, Dan, come on. Yeah. It's a low bar that 40% of the country cannot cross. All right. I yep. 12 years left. Anyway, in the next 12 years, you can go to our website. Absolutely. Knowledge fight. Hold on. You're giving us a lot of credit. Sure. You think you think our website's going to be around in 12 years? No, no, no. We'll be dead long before that. Probably. Yeah. Anyway, you can go to your our website though, which is

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