Knowledge Fight - #218: October 17, 2018

Episode Date: October 19, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on what's going on in the present day with the Alex Jones Show. Turns out the show's not going so well, as Alex spends most of his show rambling about how great a new ri...ght-wing meme is, before coming up with about seven clunky nicknames for Beto O'Rourke.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan. I'm George. We're good. Well dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Indeed we are Dan. Yes, sir. Dan. Hey What was the last time you went to a hospital? Last time I went to a hospital long time unless you count the blood place The blood bank. That is not a hospital. Yeah, I mean there's phlebotomists. I don't even know this. There's one nurse I don't even know if it's clean enough to be No comment. Yeah, there we go. No, it's been been a long time. I guess mostly therapists offices generally not in hospitals
Starting point is 00:00:37 Yeah, yeah, my life. I mean, I guess urgent care centers. I've been to I've been like, you know When anytime I've gotten sick Like or needed to go to the doctor. I just go to an urgent care center. Have you ever stayed overnight? Yeah, like way back way back for what like I broke my arm once like really late at night Yeah, and I ended up having to stay in the hospital overnight for that and then also of course like wait Wait, you just you're just gonna throw that out I broke my arm late at night and there's no story behind that. It was just it was just 10 30 As far as I popcorn and you tripped as far as I recall
Starting point is 00:01:11 And I have very vague memories of this because I was really young me and my brother had a bunk bed And I fell off the top. Okay, I broke my arm like basically in the middle of the night And I needed to stay in the hospital overnight and of course, there's been like times. I've got to the mental hospital Yeah, but that's Occupational hazard in terms of physical need. Yeah, yeah overnight. I think that was it. Yeah, I think that's it Cool. Yeah Moving on. This has been my medical history. This is a podcast about what do we do again? My mental my medical history and also
Starting point is 00:01:45 Alex Jones, I know a lot about him. Maybe because I've been to mental hospital You don't know too much about your medical history, which is about where I am when it comes to knowing about Alex Jones Bango Jordan So today we got an interesting episode to go over but before we get there I'd like to say thank you to a couple of new folks who have joined up in supporting the show And we appreciate them oh so much first of all, I'd like to say thank you so much Aaron you are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Thank you very much, Aaron
Starting point is 00:02:16 Also, I'd like to say thank you to someone who has just joined up as well. Thank you so much, Nick You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much, Nick If you yourself out there or listening and you'd like to support the show you could do so by going to our website Knowledge fight calm kicking that support the show button up at the top and you can become policy wonk yourself Big announcement. Did we make it? We have reached our documentary goal. No, I told you guys 99% of the way there. Yep. We have thanks to Raptor princess and gentlemen Friend of the show John in Austin he threw in a bit and kicked us over that line
Starting point is 00:02:56 John come on man. You've already done so fucking much. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Thank you very much But also Jordan, I think you should not be thanking him because now you're going to have to do a documentary You know what I lived through the first one. Yep, and it's fitting. It's almost six months later now around six months later I think a little bit more than that. I'm not sure. I think we did the last one in April Anyway, I think we'll start We'll start soon. Yeah, but we still need to firmly Concretely decide which documentary it's gonna be it looks like the Obama deception, but I want to make totally I want to give every possible opportunity for the audience to say
Starting point is 00:03:34 Not the Obama deception is essentially what you're about more or less more or less and because I want to protect Obama or anything like that I just don't know. I just don't know. I don't know if I want to do that Documentary all right. All right. We'll find out. We'll see if the audience determines that that's what we're doing Then that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing Hopefully I would like to say we'll start putting those out at the beginning of November I'd like to say that but that sounds right schedule constraints may come into play. So we'll You know, I who knows how in depth some of my research will end up getting to so like it Hopefully November it could happen. If not, then mid to late November for sure
Starting point is 00:04:16 Early December the next year, but maybe January Who knows who knows what the secret of 2019 is Dan? It could be that Obama finally did deceive us and Kelly is the key. There we go. We always knew that was the case. So thank you all very much for forcing us into this position But we will be sure to get that for you Real soon. Yeah, so Jordan would I want not We can only waffle so much I think we've reached our limit for the day. All right Jordan today what I wanted to do is I earlier in the week
Starting point is 00:04:50 I said that I was working on the 2009 stuff and like by the end of the week the cake would probably be baked. Yeah cake is not baked Oh, no, it is not settled. All right. And so I can't I got to put a pin in 2009 until next week probably And so I thought why not everybody likes us to check in on present day Alex Jones likes to see what he's up to So why not? Why not check in on present day Alex Jones? There's a lot going on in the world. Yeah, you don't want to have those British people tell you that it wasn't a good sponge No, yeah, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world. We have chaos all over the place It's literally every single moment. There's a new facet of the chaos or new wrinkles to already existing chaos be it the
Starting point is 00:05:33 Deteriorating evolving story out of Saudi Arabia. Oh, man, that's great climate scientists giving dire warnings Things coming out about investigations into Trump's family business history of fraud Mitch Mitch Foreign countries in terms of Who has it sure all of this stuff is going on. It's crazy Stephen King Steve King in Iowa coming out in favor of a fellow white supremacist We have Gavin McGinnis going out there with his sword trying to start fights in New York It's a according to Fox News. It's our fault. So we've got all this stuff Yeah, and Mitch McConnell fulfilling the prophecy that I gave six months ago
Starting point is 00:06:17 We're and I said that these fucking tax cuts are away for them to actually attack Social Security and Medicare And who do you know? I don't want to take away from your predictive abilities, but that's one of those like that's the most obvious prediction anyone has ever made It was sound. Yeah, but pretty clear. It was it was You didn't need a Carrie Cassidy style dream to help you see that future I did need an Alex Jones style dream at lasted about six hours. There were a lot of fires and in 95% of the situations Mm-hmm. Mitch McConnell two to three billion people die because of Mitch McConnell. Yeah, so there's a lot going on in the world today I was like, I wonder if Alex has got a take on any of it here is an out-of-context drop from today's show
Starting point is 00:07:05 Is he finally gonna get some fat bears? I ain't saying she's a gold digger God damn it! She messed with no, you know what? She messed with no poor man Okay, there we go. All right. All right. Okay Okay Wonderful. Now that Kanye has met with Trump in his make America great hat Alex has adopted Kanye
Starting point is 00:07:27 Loves Kanye! Loves Kanye! Now I would say that Alex is still still playing his second worst album, but fine, fine, fine And I would argue that Alex is kind of forgetting that that's not just Kanye That's also Alex Jones' enemy Jamie Foxx on that song So, uh, it's a little, uh, little bit of Yeah, well, what are you gonna do? One half dozen of the other kind of situation Also, I like his self-censoring that was that seemed forced. It was oh man
Starting point is 00:07:54 It would have been nice if he just fucking went for it. Just do it. I'm glad he didn't. That's your best bet at getting away with it Saying that you're quoting it. You've all you want to say the word Just find a way to say it man. And at this point I don't feel like there'd be too many consequences for him, which is kind of a bummer. No, everybody's there So like I said up top Jordan, there's a lot going on in the world today So you would think you would think That the lead story that Alex comes out the gate with would be, you know, something hot Yeah, something something real important to geo politics
Starting point is 00:08:27 20 days 20 days and the tidal wave of total censorship has gone into insane overdrive Unbelievable information coming up Facebook, Twitter, you name it are banning tens of thousands of pages of anyone that promotes the MPC memes Which simply takes a gray face and puts it over the face of conformist Authoritarian leftist thinkers, you know in THX 1138. It's really a remake of the idea of a Brave new world the scientific dictatorship They resemble MPC memes cool man, the I would say half of this show is about the MPC memes
Starting point is 00:09:15 You're not on social media. So you're probably not even aware of this. That's our big deal. Oh, this is the biggest deal in the world My friend. Oh, right now. Yeah, this this current world. We live in right now in the PC memes Memes are the biggest deal memes number one story All right, all right fine fine, you know what that's fine fine. I don't care. I don't care So this this is nothing matters anymore This is a new right-wing meme thing where they're trying they they're putting these gray faces on like oftentimes It'll be someone's actual Twitter avatar And they'll create like a false version of them and then also there's other ones that are just
Starting point is 00:09:54 NPC 1 7 3 5 but and they all are be basically doing an impression of people on the left trying to parody The idea that there's group think and everybody's saying the exact same things like they're non-playable characters in a video game Who just repeat dialogue when you walk up to them if I know anything about the right wing this meme is Hilarious so funny nobody lands a joke quite like the right way so funny That's why so many amazing comedians are Never Becoming famous overlooked and then they become right-wing comedy. They sure it's crazy sure or I mean you got Nick DiPallo Hey, the list goes on
Starting point is 00:10:37 You've got the What's his name Nick DiPallo, okay? But who's number two it's Nick DiPallo, okay, what about okay He's also a guy who was like I don't think that Nick DiPallo is not not funny He has his moments. He has some good bits. He was also he was relevant 25 years ago. Oh Dennis Miller All right All right, we nailed it so Rob Schneider wait is he on the right? Oh, yeah conservative dude crazy conservative lost track of Rob
Starting point is 00:11:14 It's wackadoo. How could you lose track of Rob Schneider? I think he was out making copies Still relevant to today's office Relevant to today's office The Stingmeister Etc So look this NPC meme thing. I Just sort of ignored it when it was sort of popping around and people were tweeting about it
Starting point is 00:11:42 I was like, well, right? This is just some more right wing bullshit Who gets a shit? Yeah, cuz it's basically if you really look at the core of it It's just like a visual way of them saying sheeple They've just figured out a new way to articulate this idea that they've had all along and they're acting like it's new It's brand new and then on the other put a gray spot on faces And then the other side of it too that should be like horribly apparent to anybody who travels in or listens to any of the Diverse voices on the left What you know is that basically you just have a bunch of people in places like reddit for a chant these sorts of places
Starting point is 00:12:17 Where they just are their own echo chambers where they've created this image in their head of what social justice warriors are And then they're pretending that that's what everybody sounds like and now they're creating a parody of this false version of the other side That they've created in their head. Are you saying that rather than engage with the reality? They've created a like a thing facsimile of a human out of some sort of Hey, yeah, yeah, like a hey like a hey dude. Yeah, like a hey dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, what was the name of that? Hey, it's like a hey Arnold like a hey dude on Nickelodeon And he salutes shorts, I guess I don't know. Yeah, uh, donkey lips
Starting point is 00:13:09 So, um, look, I don't have a lot of feelings about this this here in PC me I really don't I don't I don't care about it I understand one of the reasons that Twitter is like cracking down and getting rid of some of these accounts is that they are Targeted harassment to a certain extent if you put this gray thing over someone's face and you're pretending that you're them Sure, I think on one level that that constitutes parody, but I also could see a way that it could be targeted harassment So I don't you know, I see both sides of this I think this is up to twitter to make the decision and live with it You know, choose just choose whatever stake you want to make in it. Uh, we'll see how the chips fall
Starting point is 00:13:48 I'm I don't advocate them banning all of them, but I also don't think it's wrong of them too Don't care at all. No, I think that's my position firmly on this. I'm gonna go with pass. Yeah Did you know that Dan? I don't know if you know this But there might be a couple other things going on right now. Yeah. Yeah, it's that we keep coming When we go back to a bunch is that like that idea of in life you kind of got to do triage a little bit Yeah, maybe sometimes you may just have to punt and I'm punting Yeah, um, so at the end of that now if the Saudi prince had tweeted out any NPC means Then we're in a whole different scenario. That's a different conversation. Yeah, absolutely
Starting point is 00:14:26 So at the end there Alex is like this is like how there were gray faces in uh, thx 1138 Yeah, which was I believe the studio that produced the sound for lucas films. No, no, that's that's interesting It was actually one of the big the roots of that though It's uh, the guy who did the sound for that, uh, a lot of lucas's films and stuff He collaborated with george lucas on uh, thx 1138, which is basically a futuristic robot that came Came back in time to kill john connor. No, no, no, no, no, uh, alex is talk He always talks about it in the same breath as like a brave new world in 1984 And he seems to act like it's it's like the globalist model for the future and it's basically prophecy
Starting point is 00:15:09 But he refuses to bring up is that it was basically just a student film made by george lucas when he was at usc Oh, okay It was uh, the original version was his student film and then he got funding for it and made it. It was his first First directorial, uh film. Yeah, it was uh, the working title was american thx graffiti, right? Yeah. Yeah alex very correctly notes the parallels to brave new world in 1984 that exist in thx 1138 because they're absolutely there lucas was a goddamn college student in the late 60s in southern california No, shit. He's inspired by dystopian Come on one review that i read was that thx 1138 is basically 1984 without the philosophy
Starting point is 00:15:50 If you borrowed soma from brave new world, that's sort of the the booya bays that they're making That's the stew this makes sense because lucas wasn't good at making things yet He was a young artist Also, the end of the movie is clearly stolen from playtos allegory of the cave less From 1984 of brave new world at the end of the film the main character the titular thx is out running some Some some police drones, uh, and then they let him get away because uh because they're over budget Oh And so that sounds right. They let him escape which leads me to believe
Starting point is 00:16:23 It's not that big of a priority for him to uh be stopped from escaping Yeah, and then he ends up getting to uh the above ground and realizes there's birds up there And he's been lied to the whole time much like the allegory of the cave. This is all just very like it's just it's very derivative work much like a lot of Uh, george lucas's work. Hey now, hold on But curacao would just Hmm While we're talking about this movie really quick just because alex brought it up and I think it was fun I looked into it a little bit
Starting point is 00:16:49 Yeah, if you take out some of the more purely aesthetic stylistic touches Which are the things that alex really gets caught up on like the idea that everyone's bald everyone shaves their head That sort of stuff if you really get rid of some of those stuff, uh those things the movie really contains two central ideas about state control One is forced drugging of people and instilling the mentality that the economy and money are more important than people's humanity Since donald trump alex's favorite politician has been in office There have been many reports of ice agents and independent contractors forcibly medicating immigrant children that have been separated from their families In order to make them more pliable and manageable. No idea This is a direct result of and done with the approval of the trump administration can't trust the media in the last week
Starting point is 00:17:32 Responding to the grisly murder of jamal kashoghi a non-citizen resident of the united states and journalist for the washington post That appears to have been carried out by saudi arabia alex's favorite politician donald trump said quote They're spending 110 billion dollars on military equipment and on things that create jobs for this country I don't like the concept of stopping an investment of 110 billion dollars into the united states because you know they're gonna go Uh, they're gonna take that money and spend it in russia or china someplace else That is almost the literal definition of putting money, uh in the supposed economy over someone's humanity No idea what you're talking about now just to be petty it should be pointed out that the trump's uh excuse about jobs in the economy Is a lie from vox quote overall the private us defense industry does directly employ a lot of us workers
Starting point is 00:18:17 About 355,500 in 2016 according to the most recent estimates from the aerospace industries association But private sector defense workers make up less than 0.5 percent of the total us labor force And that includes every person whose job depends directly on the sale or production of airplanes tanks bombs and services for the entire us military It's unlikely that many of them if any depend directly on weapons sales to saudi arabia And it's also unlikely that these jobs advantage of saudi money disappeared So you're saying that the united states government is
Starting point is 00:18:51 lying in defense of an Indefensible idea already at least one guy is i cannot imagine any historical parallel Where in the entire us government begins lying in order to support a bad decision in the first place one that I suppose puts us into I would call it eternal war. Uh, that would never happen Well, it's interesting too because this 110 billion dollar number is not reflective of contracts or actual deals If you really look into it involves a convoluted mishmash of letters of intent letters of interest
Starting point is 00:19:25 But definitely nothing really binding at least the true number of how much is coming in from these deals It's unclear, but it is definitely lower than 110 billion dollars All right So even the lie and support of the bad argument that is indefensible is built around another lie at least embellishment Probably outright lie. Okay. This is also probably a coincidence But from the hill quote president elect donald trump registered eight companies during his presidential campaign That appear to be tied to hotel interests in saudi arabia according to a report in the washington post Trump registered the companies in august 2015 shortly after launching his presidential bid according to the post
Starting point is 00:20:04 Also at a campaign rally in 2015. He told the crowd quote. They buy apartments from me They spend 40 million 50 billion. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much In january 2018 he said on fox news quote I would want to protect saudi arabia, but saudi arabia is going to have to help us economically So the picture that you start to get multiple lies to support an Indefensible argument that is actually covering up a massive corruption scandal. Yeah one that would I don't know Invalidate him from being president in the first place under some sort of constitutional I
Starting point is 00:20:41 Okay, great. Yeah, it seems away and it's really cool to see things like pat robertson come out on the 700 club Supposed christian dude Telling his audience that hey, you know what? Why would we jeopardize this weapons deal? It's great. It's great that we now live in a world where i'm sure jim baker's saying similar shit that we've got these these dickhole these these pastors out there who are actively Rallying people around the idea of selling billions of dollars of weapons
Starting point is 00:21:12 Because that somehow helps their regressive domestic agenda the it's so crazy the lie of which Suggest that we are selling far less billions of dollars of weapons a hundred percent Even those billions of dollars which we are selling are then being used to commit atrocities in cutter. You bet So christianity is great guys. It's going well. They're doing good. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're They haven't lost their way. Oh, no Now in fact, I admit I think they would say that they've uh kicked it up a notch I admit that the two examples that I used are really old crazy dudes But they are big figure heads with the with massive fucking audience. Exactly. Yeah, so anyway that uh what I just went over there
Starting point is 00:21:54 I think is a nice bridge from alex He's obsessed with that mpc meme Oh, I forgot that we were just going to be talking about a meme. We're not we're not gonna talk too much about it Okay, but he's obsessed with that meme it takes up most of the show He bridges that with thx 1138 which as we described is he's missing the most of the thematic points of Which if he did understand the points of would really point the finger at the actions of donald trump One of which is this inhumane response inhuman response to the uh apparent
Starting point is 00:22:28 Looking like assassination by the state of saudi arabia of a journalist who is critical of the regime Which ironically supports a very different film Uh, I would say in the phantom menace he would be on the side of the guys who are like This trade blockade is a great idea. Yeah, I think he would be on the wrong side of that. Yep So, um, anyway, that it leads us to alex does not spend a lot of time talking about the saudi arabia situation It's indefensible. So well, hold on Alex has an interesting take on it that campy trip as we said last friday and sunday evidence because of their being no motive And because the media the court jumped on it
Starting point is 00:23:10 Looks like it could be a rogue group false flag to derail the peace plans that trump has Uh, and as he prepares to put the clamps on Iran that this is deep state operatives like john carrion obama who are running their own rogue Shadow, uh, state department. Okay, to try to derail what's happening using networks under the crown prince But not under his control Just like trump isn't in control of most the fbi Or most of the justice department or most of the cia. There are loyal people there But there are large swaths that do whatever they want or under the command
Starting point is 00:23:44 of Hillary obama and other slime bags. They brag about this in the news show After this clip alex had to take half an hour off of his show because he Throughout his back stretching that far. Yeah, that is crazy. Wow. That's maybe false flag, baby That's maybe the most convoluted terrible plan. Yeah, I have ever heard if true I my respect for obama hillary and others goes way and others is always my favorite That's my new favorite alex meme and others And others way down could be anybody who's also included. What about that girl who was in the cult the where people got branded?
Starting point is 00:24:24 She's probably in there the nixxiom or whatever Yeah Or nicole kibman. She was in the others I don't know dude. I I hear this and i'm like this is weak stuff, man Like you ply occum's razor to things that you're like You're saying there's no motive. There's there's a motive. There's a clear motive I think that might be the Main piece of evidence like the motive is overwhelming. Oh also opportunity
Starting point is 00:24:52 Yeah, and and just because alex doesn't recognize that there's a motive history of Disappearing people and dismembering them Like i'm saying just because alex doesn't recognize that there's a motive or he's not willing to accept it or whatever It doesn't mean that there isn't there's a very concrete real world clear cut reason that kashogi would have been A target of the saudi arabian. Oh, yeah, especially in the lead up of like to their 2030 enticement of Foreign business the the infrastructure planning that they're doing this big this big push It makes total sense. There is a motive. I remember when they did very he's been in self
Starting point is 00:25:34 Exile for years at the very beginning of this because he's afraid of conservative reporting at the very beginning of this conservative reporting where they're like A washington postjournalist went into the saudi consulate a washington postjournalist with a history of Criticizing the saudi government disappeared inside the saudi consulate. I was like, um, yeah barretta did that shit Like it's very OJ is innocent. What? Yeah, yeah motive motive was not hard to come by in another Lifetime by that. I mean like four years ago. Alex would have been screaming bloody murder about this murder of a journalist
Starting point is 00:26:12 Yep, they're attacking all of us. He spent a very long time blaming saudi arabia for 9-11 Well, they did it. He wasn't wrong. Hey, you know why? Because they had a fucking motive. He wasn't totally wrong on that front to some extent But like I don't understand like this is such a big pivot for him. This is a crazy This is crazy saudi arabia is great. Um, so anyway, here's the next clip that has to do with that We're about to have regime change in iran It's super unpopular It's very authoritative and and authoritarian and people don't like it half the population is 28 or younger
Starting point is 00:26:51 And it would be a really good thing to have peaceful regime change over there and these sanctions these real sanctions I thought people didn't like it and so you better believe about the regime They're acting like 10 million died and i'm not saying it's a good thing whatever really happened to him But the fact that it's all recorded. It's all surveilled Looks like a shut up on both ends I mean, it would be recorded probably because it's in the uh, the consulate, you know Yeah, I think that a lot of those sorts of places have bugs. I can't imagine People who run the buildings
Starting point is 00:27:22 International, uh, spy craft is still exists in some form. You bet you that does not seem like a setup that seems like security measures Then beyond that alex What you want regime change? Who are you man? You agree with john bolton regime change. What are you doing? We gotta do regime change This is insanity. Usually i'm against regime change, but sometimes you got a regime change. I'm always against it I'm principally against the idea of us meddling and other countries governments as we see in 2009. He's pro iran Yeah, he's straight up pro iran. He hates the idea that these neocons are demonizing right the the iranian government
Starting point is 00:28:01 So like I don't I don't know. I don't I don't know I don't I know that times change, but it seems very difficult for me To believe that he's changed so much that he's now for some sort of an intervention in order to prompt regime change That seems so far outside of alex jones's vocabulary It seems so far outside of his principles that I mean this is just You're a gun for hire. You're not even you don't even stand for anything. There are no there are no principles. There is nothing post post I don't know what 2015 whenever
Starting point is 00:28:36 Yeah, it's it it stopped being about any kind of policy Coherent strategy and it just became anything that the liberals don't want I want well now It's interesting that you say that because in this next clip alex alex explains where he's getting his information about the situation in Saudi Arabia from and it might surprise you that it's not research It's his gut Great. Yeah, we're the first to say it now. You're from the president and the Saudi government Trust worthy people MSNBC
Starting point is 00:29:06 Day one saying Saudi Arabia did it and this ends our peace deal with them and everything's over and Trump's an idiot It's his fault. I'm like these are known lying scumbags That I don't believe a damn word they say Saudi Arabia doesn't have the motive in this show. What's really going on? That's called deduction my dear Watson. No, that's not that's bad deduction I mean, he's just saying essentially they're like, oh, I saw cnn reporting. It's this therefore. I believe not this That's bad. That's that's That's real bad. Yeah. No once you eliminate all other possibilities
Starting point is 00:29:39 Don't stop trying to defend those possibilities because the reality is a bummer. You can't believe that shit But he's also operating from false pretenses like the the the premises of his argument seem to be that cnn always lies Which isn't true at second. He doesn't believe that Saudi Arabia has a motive which I mean I find believing it's possible that he doesn't believe that But if you make the premise Saudi Arabia doesn't have a motive that is also a false premise Yeah, so those two like your argument is bogus to begin with like from the jump you're screwed Whatever conclusion you come to is meaningless. This is not how deductive reasoning works in a like a productive way Uh, it's you're just playing dumb distraction games when you're just like, here's two false things
Starting point is 00:30:23 That lead to whatever I want you to believe. Yeah bad Yeah, not good Here's the thing this wouldn't pass a 101 logic class like Alex's the way he's thinking Would get him booted out of freshman at a at a junior college like junior college logic classes No, this is embarrassing if there's one thing I know about the scientific method It's start with the result that you want right and then ignore anything else that doesn't support that craft bullshit that supports In a flimsy way scientific method Women are made of abortions. That's true. I've heard that. Yeah, so the the thing is though like this show isn't about truth
Starting point is 00:31:02 It's not about the news. You know what it's about. We all know what it's about Right wing propaganda. I've just launched our christmas specials. We had planned All right, there we go our black friday specials And our cyber monday specials people love to buy on the sales days That's just the way people are and that's so that's why we have our sales on those days I'm putting them all together now christmas black friday all of it the next two months of sales At info war store dot com it this episode is october 17th 2018 black friday sale right christmas christmas sale two months in advance putting it all together
Starting point is 00:31:42 People love to buy on sales days. So what if every day was a sales day dan? You know, I just 365 times your uh revenue, you you know when your business is doing great. You generally are like everything's on sale Yeah, oh forever. It's like a mattress store. Yeah, exactly You know, you are doing good 50 off going out of business sale for the next three and a half years You know like a mattress store. I love that like I love that. He's such a devout optimist that he's presenting this This is like christmas sale starts two months early It's like because everything is so awesome No, no, no, buddy. I doesn't know. Oh boy. I need cash
Starting point is 00:32:20 There I so far we have heard not one word that makes sense No, and it's gonna get worse. I mean this makes very little sense to the point where where we end up ending this episode Is legitimately I was sitting here like why am I doing this? This is such a waste of like I I'm not an idiot This is a waste of my time. This show is bad. Alex's show is very bad Like not in like a scolding gear bad kind of way. It's like this is a bad show. This is it's stupid He's rambling about this npc meme shit for a very very long time
Starting point is 00:32:56 He's barely touching on real news that that it matters to the world and what he is He's just dismissing it with terrible arguments And and just lying about the structure of his arguments and then the other stuff that he gets into is so profoundly dumb It's crazy But before we get there we have to learn about how the globalists right globalists. They're doing it They don't want you to use memes But there is something they do want you to use And it might surprise you
Starting point is 00:33:26 Welcome back ladies and gentlemen. We're in the middle of the meme revolution. The european unions passed a law To make everyone pre-approved memes or you can be sent to prison or fined which is unconstitutional Has a law going through their congress to ban memes That's right because it's a new form of communication The globalists want to use emojis and things that restrict and reduce language Did you just find them a socialist party? Fabian socialists in england always called for the fabian socialists in england always called for people to use emojis Sometimes I just think alex gets lost in a sentence It's like there's a there there has to be an awareness on his part that he's late to the meme party
Starting point is 00:34:13 You would you would hope and he's been resistant to fully embracing the uh The the stupid right wing meme uh dance that that goes on and so now he's coming in as if he's like Oh, I've known about this all along. This is part of the fabian socialist plan. Yeah. Yep. All right, buddy All right, keep talking. I don't understand them So I think what alex is operating off of is that paul joseph watson made a video about this npc meme thing And maybe it got more views than something alex put out So he realized like this is something i got to talk about And i'm basing that on the fact that in the middle of this episode he plays paul joseph watson's entire report
Starting point is 00:34:51 Of course, and I I am sorry about this But I do need to play you some paul joseph watson. All right Uh, we generally resist listening to him because his style is so obnoxious and smart Uh, just snarky it's just full of fast edits and insulting voices that he does in order to characterize a giant piece of shit Yeah, so just to give people if you like them you should at least be like This guy's a piece of shit. So just to get uh people on board a little bit I cut this clip as sort of an indication of his style Just so you can get a little bit of a flavor for what you'll be sitting through if you watch one of his videos
Starting point is 00:35:26 Thanks, dad And here's what happens to anyone who suggests that maybe trump isn't the new hitler Rape is bad. Orange man is bad. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what I'm at Rape show for today. I follow such a diverse range of people and for me This is what twitter is all about. Get out of your echo chambers and start listening to unique and individual voices I agree with whatever twitter says if you say that I should agree with So mom I mean that's pretty indicative of of his thing. He does these voices that are uh meant to characterize the people
Starting point is 00:36:00 He's lampooning. He'll generally use uh tweets from people that he doesn't like and then does an insulting voice similar to that Although not uh as robotic usually but that's trying to get the idea of like all these people are saying the same things They're all the tomatons. They're the NPCs. No, I got it. What have you that's that's the whole that's really the whole report You kind of get it from there. Does he not know that that's Lame? Oh, yeah. No, this is hilarious. This is funny as hell man. Lame. Yeah, it's pretty lame That is that's a bummer how lame that is. Oh, aren't you supposed to be on the vanguard of bullshit conservative right nonsense? Yeah, you would you would think that he'd be better than this It's a weird thing to say, but you would think that as the rock star of the uh
Starting point is 00:36:45 They're the new punk rock as he likes to say sure uh, you would think yeah, he'd be a little bit more um More interesting than just like using other people's tweets as proof that everyone that he's against Believes the same thing like he brings up like the crescent steen brothers or whatever. It's like this is what all the left believes I don't know. I don't know anybody who agrees with them. Don't you remember? I don't know anybody who follows that when all rock critics said that hui lewis in the news were the next big thing in punk rocks Next big thing in punk rock. Yeah Yeah, there was bad brains and then hui lewis in the news everybody knows that's the trajectory Yeah, it's the same sort of fallacy. He's just trying to take little snip. It's the same way that alex is like rob reiner speaks for the left
Starting point is 00:37:32 sure Fine, you want to make that argument? It's gonna not that's not spaghetti that's gonna stick to the wall. That's fine. That's undercooked Yeah, so uh in his next clip paul joseph Watson admits what he really enjoys about memes and uh, it's kind of what you'd expect There's also this weird disconnect where they dismiss npc as a pathetic playground insult not worthy of attention Yet then write laborious article after article after article being triggered by it The same thing they did with soy boys. What happens to kids who react to playground insults? They get the same insult thrown at them again and again because it obviously gets under their skin So I like bullying people
Starting point is 00:38:14 And I engage in playground insults. Yeah, congratulations paul. That's your business model. Enjoy yourself This is why we don't talk about you and you can even tell from listening to that the quick cuts You can tell like how heavily edited his stuff is I can't imagine being so bad at your job That you can't speak coherently for I don't know four seconds Like we do edit this show in terms of like sometimes we have to go to the bathroom Or sometimes something slips out of our mouth. That's like an inside joke or something like that Yeah, we cut a couple things out every now and again But generally we're sitting here talking straight through for two and a half hours
Starting point is 00:38:53 You know, we do not it's embarrassing to look at paul joseph watson and see like why why'd you cut there? That was almost the middle of a word Did you need to do another take the least exciting and technically proficient shot in any movie is some sort of long one take Everybody hates those rope. You know, it's like in remember in birdman whenever there was that interminable Long take where they're walking and it's filled with drama And the the it eventually built with the drums playing behind it which only increases the tension and then the tension exploded Yeah, boring. Give me 18 million cuts between every single fucking step. No one fucking remembers rope for a reason Yeah, exactly now
Starting point is 00:39:39 Paul joseph watson's argument my review of rope Use it to hang yourself movie. There we go Hot take so paul joseph watson is a bully fine. I don't really give a shit best thing to do with bullies is ignore them Uh, but this next clip I couldn't ignore and it's because it's sort of the central thesis of his video And it speaks to what alex is trying to pitch to and alex is doing a much worse job of articulating himself Then paul because he's clearly using paul as a source material for his own reporting. Yeah, and in this clip paul joseph watson He's making the argument of why people on the left are opposed To these npc memes. Yeah, and one of the arguments that i've seen posted in articles and stuff like that is that it's
Starting point is 00:40:26 Dehumanizing in a way because what you do is you put a blank face over someone else's face And it's like to say all of you are the same I think I mean, I understand where people are coming from. I don't think I don't care. I don't think I don't think that that I don't think that sticks say the words blank face to me. I think schoolboy Q Sure tell you that right now So I don't I don't think that that is is necessarily a real reason to like Be against these memes. I think that the targeted harassment aspect of it is much more valid Yeah, but paul joseph watson's version of it is
Starting point is 00:41:00 They hate this because they know That the left can't meme but the right baby we can meme And in doing so in making this argument, he cites something he should not have cited And of course, we all know why the left wants to ban memes because the left can't meme That's not just a cliche They admit to it a study undertaken by researchers at university college london found that the most effective memes largely originated in two places That donald subreddit and fortune a vice write-up of the study acknowledges that the most quote effectively spread memes Originated on the donald and paul. That's why they want to ban the npc meme
Starting point is 00:41:39 Here's the issue with this Pass no, we can't we can't pass on this because it's very demonstrative of something super important paul joseph watson is misusing this study from the university college of london because of course he is He didn't click the link in the bbc article that he's summarizing or in the vice write-up that he is saying Characterizes the study So he really has no idea what he even says past the characterization that paul and the donald are effective meme distribution hubs That's the only message that he's gotten out of this because he didn't fucking read the study If he had read it, he would have found some information that doesn't really help his arguments very much at all
Starting point is 00:42:18 First from the study quote our work focuses on four web communities twitter reddit gab and four chance politically incorrect board They even later say quote note that we exclude mainstream communities like the rest of reddit other than the donald sub reddit And twitter as our main goal is to obtain clusters of memes from the fringe web communities They only looked at four places in the study So when the conclusion they come away with is that the donald board and on reddit and paul are effective meme platforms Really the conclusion more accurately stated is gab is a ghost town and twitter mostly exists as a secondhand store or a thrift shop of memes That's really the conclusion that you should take away from this since there's only four things being studied Now second if paul joseph watson had read this study
Starting point is 00:43:03 He would have found that one of the main takeaways for the uh from the study was Quote communities within four chan reddit and gab use memes to share hateful and racist content For instance among the most popular clusters of memes. We find variants of the anti-semitic happy merchant meme They say in the study that memes of these communities are used to express racist sentiment sentiment quote Evident from the popularity of the anti-semitic happy merchant meme Which depicts a greedy and manipulative stereotypical caricature of a jew By contrast mainstream communities like the rest of reddit and twitter primarily share harmless neutral memes Which are rarely used in hateful contexts
Starting point is 00:43:40 One of the big takeaways again from the study was quote Paul and gab share hateful and racist memes at a higher rate than mainstream communities As we find a considerable number of anti-semitic and pro-nazi clusters This trend is steady over time for four chan's poll board, but ramping up recently with gab Quote there are several takeaways from our measurements of influence We show that paul is generally speaking the most influential disseminator of memes in terms of raw influence In particular, it's more influential in spreading racist memes than non-racist ones Relatedly, paul has generally more influence in terms of spreading political memes than other communities
Starting point is 00:44:20 What the study ultimately found is that paul is the most influential meme source in the realm of their study But that they were woefully inefficient Which is to say that they post tons of memes there and a lot of them don't catch on but the ones that do are really popular In contrast the donald's subreddit has a way higher than expected efficiency rate, which is honestly what you should expect That subreddit is largely just it's a little more than a means of weaponizing information and misinformation in a coordinated way So that's exactly what would make sense to find a low number of unique memes But each one pushed in a unique unified focused way If paul joseph watson wants to use this study to assert the things that he's asserting
Starting point is 00:45:03 Namely that it demonstrates why liberals are afraid of memes because his side is better at them He needs to accept that this entire study He has to accept the entire study not just the pieces that feel good to him I know that it would be inconvenient that to in the middle of this snarky rant to have to just stop and point out That a large part of the study that he's citing involves the dissemination of racist memes and how the very places he's claiming As being on his side are full to the gills with anti-semitic Characterizations of jews and more or less never-ending racism So I empathize with him a little bit because that would be very difficult to put in with your
Starting point is 00:45:37 Fake voices and uh his weird tweets that he likes to quote now before you why would you bother pointing that out? The racist part is a feature not a bug right everybody just assumes that they're racist memes right now I've explained to you what that study really says. Yes, and why it's not really any evidence that liberals are afraid of memes Is he just again just studied four fringe places? You can just throw away a gap by the way that that's a zero and that uh that report fair that study very clearly Uh demonstrates ain't nobody on gab but the people there are bad news. Yeah, uh, but Paul joseph watson is coming in, you know with this like hey I read an article on vice that said this one sentence about this study. So i'm gonna act like I know everything about it
Starting point is 00:46:24 Just a minute later in his special report. Paul joseph watson owns himself Serious cultural engagement requires focus it nevertheless has a rejuvenating effect Whereas the passive consumption of mass culture leaves us more innovated than before and the same goes for political opinions It takes a modicum of research in a small step beyond superficial thinking to understand that no not everyone Who doesn't have hashtag fbp e or a blue wave in their profile is an alt right neo nazi so I mean the so his argument is that the right is so great at memes That the left is afraid of them
Starting point is 00:47:07 furthermore his argument is those that Let's just say Consume memes which are easily digestible passive pieces of culture are less. All right That's not invigorating and you don't get much out of it. But but but with political opinions Just a modicum of research will help you get where you need to go says me the guy who read Uh one sentence in a vice article and then decided to conclude uh things that you shouldn't conclude about it What are we doing? Paul joseph watson do your fucking research read the study you dickweed I know it's hard, but like if you're going to in the it's not do a modicum of research
Starting point is 00:47:46 Exactly, it's literally not hard and he's not wrong. It is invigorating I feel invigorated by like oh, I did read that study and it says slightly different things and what paul joseph watson's trying to present I just hate it. I hate it in the same breath. He's sassing about like I do all this stuff like the reason that I have such robust smart political beliefs is that I do research into this stuff in the same sentence when he's manifesting not doing research And then he ends with a false characterization of people on the left being like if you don't have a blue wave on your twitter thing
Starting point is 00:48:22 You're a nazi like that's playground stuff I'm not triggered by this. I just think it's pathetic. You know, I mean I think generally speaking it's best not to talk about him because it's it's the game that he wants. Yeah, and I just It's fun. It's fun when dumb people act dumb I think that a well-placed bit of silence or pause Proves far more effective
Starting point is 00:48:50 Or perhaps at the very least more interesting than constant jump cuts So there is literally no space between the end of any sentence fragment and the next sentence But I think it is freakish and disconcerting. I think I know why he does it Because if you pause to think for a single second you'd be like, oh, that's fucking stupid That's a huge part of it. And then also it's much harder to edit his stuff into like those Like vick burger would have a much harder time using paul joseph watson's Footage. Oh, yeah, I see what you're saying because you'd have to like really make precise chops In order to get the clips that you would want of like here is the here's what he's saying
Starting point is 00:49:31 Because he's talking a mile a minute and there are no breaks in the the dialogue. Can we just point out he sucks Like not not like his content is awful, but like at his job. Yeah, he's terrible. That's really bad He's terrible at his job if his job is journalist. He's not bad at his job if he is distraction Rodeo clown propagandist. He's pretty good at that. Yeah, but that's even within that sphere I feel like he's doing a terrible job. He's doing a terrible job if you consider like if you look into what he's saying Yes, but the gambit the gamble is always no one's gonna really look into this No from an artistic standpoint. He's terrible, but home improvement was a very popular show. So sure there you go I mean, he even makes a snarky comment about that about how like uh, there you go
Starting point is 00:50:15 But not about home improvement, but I think it's uh, how I met your mother or something like that Even that's that was better than home improvement. Yeah So, uh, alex in this next clip, uh, he's back and uh, he is related, uh, thx 1138 to the npc meme But then he also relates an apple commercial from 34 years ago To the npc commercial the one where the lady throw hammer throws into the big television screen. I don't remember. Oh, I remember I wasn't watching But it was from the olympics and uh, this is alex screaming in the middle of it Our system for power who nothing can crack it. You'll have gray mpc faces
Starting point is 00:50:57 What you are mpc? And we say no So now they even ban us from showing the archetypal image of what they are But info wars will shatter them. Yes Okay, you need to calm down that actually got howard dean uh, uh Out of the running for the democratic nomination. He needs to He needs to calm down about this meme It's a little calm down about that commercial
Starting point is 00:51:28 It's a little unnerving like how much potential he thinks there is in this meme Because you know what's fun about this This is like when we go back to 2009 and we see some petty piece of news about like a chicken farmer Whose house blew up and it's like a big piece of alex's narrative for a day and then we look into it We find out. Oh, he was crazy dude who blew up his own house. Yeah, uh, and then like a week later alex isn't talking about it But if you just listen to that day, you're like, oh, this is going to be the next month. Yeah He's gonna be talking about this forever. Yeah, that's what this is. But just in like in present day I'm listening to this. I like
Starting point is 00:52:03 I don't even know why anyone should care. This is but this is this is cotton candy. It doesn't fill you up It's not good for you. It's just it's just there. That's all this is. It's just there I mean, here's the better move for the right wing find a way to make that shack commercial Where he's right next to the cat like shaking, you know, they're both shaking like that. You've seen that one Put like a gray face on that call it a day. That'd be great or the everybody'd love that jordan and bird commercials Yeah, exactly put a gray face on barkley everybody love that and the npc play. No, he cannot no He cannot even fits in thematically exactly crazy man. These guys are terrible. It means we just came up with a better one Yeah, so in this next clip alex wants to talk to you a little bit about his best friend
Starting point is 00:52:48 Donald trump. Yeah, he wants to tell you that he is basically jesus Uh, he sacrificed so much for you and you don't even you don't even care really Prosperity is pouring back in To him the president has gotten 20 control of the federal personally Pouring back into him real sterling unconstitutionally. He can take the attacks Turn him back on the enemy with stand all the peer pressure the two billion dollars He's lost of his fortune from all the lawsuits and attacks and golf course deals. He lost and Turn them it's he lost and everything else. Maybe he's a bad man. He's gone through the fire for us
Starting point is 00:53:24 He said I love this country I don't need to be president. I don't want to be president, but I got to do it. I just can't watch him flush the country And everybody screw us over We're a good man Trump's mom is a scott and and I learned the cliche certainly true about scott from scottland The tightest bunch he'll ever run into but they're also people have a lot of courage and I got some scott in my back What? What just happened there?
Starting point is 00:53:47 But the point is is that Trump is the type of scott's are frugal constantly gives the charity never tells anybody He helps kids get livers kidneys Sometimes he'll just like somebody that works for him and learn they have a problem and buy him a house Unless man, I mean, I mean this is real stuff trump does but You need to stop listening to rogers down That is not stuff the trope does. No, do you remember how trump's charity was famous for self-dealing? Oh, was that it? I thought it was giving away so much money to charity. No, it turns out that charity was
Starting point is 00:54:19 Funneling money to him and his oh Do you mean like tax exempt money kind of like what y cleft didn't hate him? Yeah, great work Uh, yeah, and and you know, I don't I don't know I don't have concrete proof that he doesn't help people get kidneys or that he has an employee who he bought Don't care. He bought a house for an employee I don't care. I don't know that to be true or not But I do know other things that are true such as him not paying his contractors really consistently And I would say that that kind of behavior doesn't match like if you have somebody who's such a like generous giving person
Starting point is 00:54:53 Um that they would buy an employee a house because they're having a bad time or something like that That person will probably also pay their contractors. No generally wouldn't screw people over And make them lose their houses. Nah, come on. I don't know. So anyway, his mom's a scott I'm not sure what when he says the tightest people alive. I'm not sure if that means because that was calling them cheap Well, that could be or that's old time. He's lying for drunk too That's that's old british slang for drunk. He's tight. Yeah, I don't I don't know if that's the case I don't know. I'm gonna go with cheap. I think he's I think he's calling him cheap probably so that's which Why did you shoehorn that in there? No idea, but that's about his mom
Starting point is 00:55:32 Now alex gets to trump's dad the new york times In the 30s when there were communist riots in new york and police reports about his dad beating up four or five of them that was uh That was uh his father good and so that's where Trump comes from so I can't I find he comes from the uh cheap scott and a Violent man
Starting point is 00:56:03 I can't find any evidence that fred trump ever beat up a bunch of communists in new york during a skirmish However on memorial day 1927 in new york city There was a brawl between the clu clucks clan and italian fascist sympathizers Which led to the deaths of two of the italian fascists. Why were they later? Oh opposite sides later in queens a little uh At least 1,000 clan members marched on this memorial day Which of course pissed off a bunch of folks another brawl started in the aftermath seven people were arrested One of these men was fred trump donald trump's dad It's unclear based on all public records exactly what he was up to but the brawl
Starting point is 00:56:39 Which he was in was between the clan representing protestant nativist outrage and the catholics representing the group That the protestants felt were they were being oppressed by namely the catholic police And uh trump's family are not catholics The other six men who were arrested were all clan guys Which makes you think that fred probably was too the argument has been made uh that the other six men were charged Whereas fred was released and thus he must be innocent It may be the case money might be the case but it's equally likely that he was The only one of the seven to be rich money and was able to bribe the notoriously corrupt
Starting point is 00:57:17 1920s new york judicial system money money A lot of people have Tried to make the argument that before this At this point fred trump wasn't rich and that's not true at this point He'd already built over 20 homes or houses in queens and sold them So he already had a pretty good amount of land at his disposal money right So he was already rich. Maybe he wasn't the billionaire That he would end up being or multi multi millionaire, but he was plenty loaded to bribe
Starting point is 00:57:49 The notoriously corrupt new york judicial system in the 20s And cheap Yeah, notoriously cheap to uh corrupt. It was the late 20s not hard. Yeah You did you did you needed to be slightly upper middle class to do to do just a good bribe Now humorously when asked for comment about this donald trump was less than subtle quote He has nothing to do. I hate blacks. He has nothing to do with this. This never happened. This is nonsense and it never happened This never happened never took place. He was never arrested never convicted never even charged. It's completely false ridiculous story He was never there. It never happened. That was all in one sentence
Starting point is 00:58:30 Makes me think it happened. Who who are you trying to convince buddy? Who are you trying to convince you or me a little over the top? That might be a little over the top. The lady doth protest too much So ultimately, uh anything is possible here, uh, except for the idea that fred trump beat up Was it a suplex klan member who is a giant racist? There are some reports that I could find I'm not sure exactly how solid these are Uh, but uh, there's some some reports contemporaneous reports that the all the dudes who got arrested were in klan regalia I don't know if that's the case. That's not from the new york times article
Starting point is 00:59:05 But uh, there's some indications that the people were in costume And if that's the case, then hey, you know, oh, and they all use the same lawyer. So that's kind of uh suspicious Come on Come on Come on. No big deal. Come on. So, uh, alex in this next clip explains why trump is a great leader and uh, It's not great. He hates blacks. He he supports the npc meme There is so much to cover today. It is just unbelievable uh, we have
Starting point is 00:59:37 Honduras and guatemala After being funded by the un openly launching Massive invasion forces and opening up migration routes into the united states to countermand The fact that trump last year pulled out of the un treaty. They're still under a van that's been going on for years upon years like hundry and romania and Now austria are pulling out of the compact as well. So his humanitarian mission. Well, they had been thumbing their nose to trump
Starting point is 01:00:06 But he promised to cut the billions in us funding This morning within hours Honduras and guatemala Responded to stop migrant caravan after trump threats. That is the associated press. So we're talking diplomatically politically instant response to trump putting his foot down I'm saying I notice you've got borders So this is a story that alex is trying to pitch that uh trump threatened to stop all foreign aid To honduras and guatemala if they didn't uh stop sending caravans
Starting point is 01:00:39 So alex is presenting the story as being cut and dry real simple A bunch of immigrants are trying to come up from honduras trump threatened to cut foreign aid to the country And their president shook in his boots to kowtow to trump's bold america first machismo. There we go. There's a couple problems No, no, no, no, I don't need to hear these dan obviously correct. We can move on. All right next clip trump is a fucking I'm so depressed by this the first problem here is that honduras didn't really bend to the will of trump Mexico is threatened to detain or deport the refugees in the honduran caravan should they end up reaching their border The most that honduras has done is that the foreign ministry Warned that there may be people in quote political sectors
Starting point is 01:01:19 Making false promises to the refugees that they'll be able to seek asylum in the united states And that they should not let themselves be used by a quote movement that is so that is obviously political And ups is meant to upset governability stability and peace Don't trust whitey. No, no, no, what could this possibly mean you ask yourself? You think it's about whitey alex doesn't know because he didn't read the rest of this associated press article but if he had And read the article that he's citing he would see quote Fernando andoure leader of the governing national party claimed opponents of honduras president were behind the migrant exodus quote
Starting point is 01:01:55 It's a strategy planned and financed by the opposition. He said sure familiar rhetoric Sure, so you basically have a uh, you know a central american Maybe not so popular president who has gotten into power and the uh, The association of american states has been like hey, there's a lot of irregularities with your election And now he's trying to demonize the people who want to get out of the country No idea maybe some sort of globalist plot. Maybe soros is behind it So the second issue here is that the threat of cutting off foreign aid was not necessarily what got anyone to do anything It was trump threatening to literally close the southern u.s. Border and send in the military quote
Starting point is 01:02:36 Can he do that? I must in the strongest terms Mexico to stop this onslaught and if possible to do so i will call up the u.s. Military And all caps close our southern border He refers to refugees trying to save their lives by coming to america and onslaught That's not great It should go without saying but according to alex's belief about what the president can and cannot do with the army visa V operating domestically alex should be livid about that tweet Unless he considers this not a domestic action in which case alex would legitimately need to be advocating war with mexico
Starting point is 01:03:12 And i guess honduras basically you have to say that these troops are going to be used non domestically and then that would be Uh war with central america put them directly on the border. So it's like so they got one foot in one foot out It's not really domestic. It's not really war. It's like going to the four corners. Yeah, exactly. You're in all the states at the same time Okay, that's possible. Yeah, the third problem that makes sense The third problem is that when trump was talking about foreign aid He said he was quote stopping all payments to these countries which seemed to have almost no control over their population The thing that alex jones yells about the most the biggest fear that he's ever had is the idea of a government having control over their population Any innocuous comment from a politician he doesn't like is magically transformed into proof that the government is trying to control him
Starting point is 01:03:58 Whether it be by taking his precious guns or just by making him feel bad that he's a huge bigot In reality This is largely a replaying out of the tension that happened back in april when a group of about 1100 People walked up from central america to the border in a combination of an annual symbolic protest As well as an attempt for many of them to reach the border intentionally turn themselves in and plead for asylum Trump saw a report about this on fox and friends and immediately tweeted out that this was an invasion Had threatened to send in the national guard According to the guardian. He threatened to cut off all foreign aid to honduras then
Starting point is 01:04:33 It's familiar. Both threats were ultimately empty but In april mexico did not stop the refugees from reaching the border quote. They didn't act the way trump wanted iranio Mujica said When trump started tweeting we were afraid but the mexican government responded humanely insensibly We didn't expect that. We thought they would cave to trump, but they didn't One of the members of the april caravan was chanel smith the 27 year old trans woman from honduras Quote smith suffered discrimination in honduras
Starting point is 01:05:01 She bravely showed three bullet wounds on her body and a steel plate in her arm and said gangs were approaching the trans population to pedal drugs She refused and was told to change her mind within 24 hours. Instead. She left the country Another was jocelyn amador 22 who operated a small business selling mobile phone accessories and san pedro Sula honduras But also had to flee after being unable to pay a pair of 125 dollar extortion payments Another was isabel nihero rodriguez 52 years old who also fled after extortion demands She tried to open a bakery in el salvador But a gang demanded 300 dollars as a fee for starting operations and threatened to kill her grandson if she didn't pay
Starting point is 01:05:41 The mexican government responded humanely and allowed these refugees to reach their destination rather than detaining them and sending them back to a very likely death In june 2018 the department of homeland security reported that from april 19th to may 31st At least 1995 children were separated from their families at the border Since then allegations have come out about rampant physical and sexual abuse of detainees as well as uh the thing that alex seemed to be very concerned about Which is forced medication of children Though the trump administration had been considering implementing the family separation policy since his literal inauguration day The timeline strongly suggests that he put uh the policy in action almost as a way of punishing the mexican government For not stopping the refugee caravan in the spring of 2018
Starting point is 01:06:24 This isn't just me making a loose conjecture The guardian even makes the connection very clearly quote The mexican government allowed hundreds of migrants mainly hondurans to reach the u.s. Border infuriating trump who initiated the family separation policy soon after Beyond the human tragedy that has been witnessed since this policy was implemented Studies have also shown that it has had little to no deterrent effect on refugees and immigrants trying to reach the united states Further analyses of the data have shown that the cost of housing people who were detained under trump's separation plan Averages out to about $775 per person per day as opposed to
Starting point is 01:07:00 $256 per person per day under the previous system In order to compensate for this increased cost of being cruel to almost inhuman level The trump administration announced that it planned to shift more than $260 million that was supposed to go to hiv and cancer research into covering the costs of separating families If i had to guess i would say that this is not because trump is an idiot who doesn't care about other people but himself But because he knows that the holographic med beds that cure all diseases are right around the corner And spending any money trying to cure cancer is just wasting money so
Starting point is 01:07:35 I mean so fuck all that noise Um, I don't know. I don't know how to put a button on anything, but uh, you know, this is all this is all bad Yeah, shit's bad. This is uh, yeah, this is the what second time. I've had to Completely walk away from the show for a second. Yeah, I mean if you want to go to bring that up sure Yeah, I had uh, I had to stop recording for a little bit and uh take a breather on that one behind the scenes Yeah, uh, you know it's tough to listen to uh, alex be a complete monster about very predictable things and and things that we've seen Um play out already even in the last six months. Yeah, you know, it's really tough Um to experience that without having some sort of a visceral reaction. I don't think that's wrong at all
Starting point is 01:08:22 I did not predict how uh Impactful that would be necessarily, but maybe that's just because i'm so jaded to propaganda. Yeah, I mean And when you swim in this all day, yeah, exactly, you know, it's I I am as viscerally affected by it as anybody else but at the same time I Uh, I dead in that like yeah that immediate reaction button or whatever because I mean, I'm not saying that you're succumbing to this at all and please don't think that this is a judgment but when you have people who outwardly talk and relish in the idea of Bullying and trying to make people angry for fun and sport
Starting point is 01:09:03 Whenever you spend 12 14 hours a day studying them and and and digging into the the methods of their propaganda It gets to a point where for me especially I realize that that's part of their game and i'm so averse to Them getting what they want out of me. Yeah, well, and that's not the case for everybody This isn't the first time that you're hearing this either. That's true Like you've you've done the research your your initial reaction has passed and you're
Starting point is 01:09:34 You're doing this in a different way. Whereas this is all just hitting me in a wash all at once Yeah, and I assume everybody listening got hit in the the face with that So if you're having a tough time here and all that you're not alone. Yeah, okay now Jordan What's good news is look the world may be bleak. Should may be real bad Yeah, but there's one shining light of hope And that is that alex has a plan for info wars.com. That's good. That is very bad. Okay. This is a very bad plan And so everyone just keep making the mpc memes and let them ban us
Starting point is 01:10:08 We're going to create a whole section for memes the next week on info wars.com like a message board Like some sort of you can just go in like reddit. Whatever it that you can read as long as it's legal and lawful You're racist. You're not racist. You're christian. You're not christian. Whatever as long as it's not illegal Wait, wait, wait, wait. What threats we're going to bring internet freedom back ladies and gentlemen And we'll just have memes central and the best ones will be on the front page And we're going to have daily prizes for memes Because it's memes that threaten them the most in fact I'm going to announce a super fast contest that I will determine and that I will announce next monday 10 000 dollars for the best info wars themed
Starting point is 01:10:46 mpc meme I do not know why I'm lying. I do know why the first thing he comes up with is racist not racist. Whatever no big deal Anything goes all bets are off two bad pieces of news for alex one the racist meme Message board category is well served on the internet. There's not a need for another one Plenty of those available for people to use already. So info wars is going to fail on that level second alex check out your message board already check out your comment section plenty of racism already Yeah, you don't need to worry about plenty of christianity plenty of racism. No shortage. No, none at all. No short all of this
Starting point is 01:11:25 Hey task already accomplished. This is this is like he just discovered me This is like you're explaining to your grandpa why there are too many browser extensions. Yeah, like No, no, no the browser is supposed to be filled with eight different forms of yahoo search engine, right? Or or it would be like you being like dan I I I got to tell you about bitcoin today. If you're telling me today Holy, this exciting thing knowledge fights going to get into bitcoin. Hell. Yeah, we are we're gonna get on the ground floor This bitcoin thing. Dan. There is this fucking cat that can play a goddamn piano
Starting point is 01:11:59 I don't even know how he does it. It's magic. I don't even know it. I mean, it's not a full grand piano So, you know, not as many points there. It's just a little cast of your tone keyboard, but Jordan Jordan Jordan. If you heard of starbucks, we got to get some stock. What are we? What are you talking about? Alex is uh, pathetically late to the game on this So what is a macintosh, but like really like what is a macintosh? It's like an What it's a kind of apple. That's why apple named it. Oh, shit Oh, I thought it was some sort of tosh 2.4. They're so clever So, um, in his next clip Alex, uh, you know, he sort of had some time to ruminate on being kicked off all the social networks out there
Starting point is 01:12:42 Um, and this is what he has to say about it. Did I try to get banned like, uh no They had a facebook said about me. Oh, we think jones wanted to be banned No, I didn't want to be banned But I wasn't going to self censor. So that's what he says now. This is what he says immediately after that So I sat there and had a meeting with my dad And I told you part of hr with my dad's works with us here because I can trust him. He does a great job And he said man, you're really pushing it. You're gonna get banned everywhere. I said dad. I'm already banned
Starting point is 01:13:13 He said well, just don't go further than you would don't let them go to you and I said i'm not I'm sitting back and thinking about what would I really be saying and if I've begun to govern What I say not because what I'm saying is not true, but because I don't want to be censored and I said I have begun to bend my well And so I'm gonna go on air and say what I really think So you were trying to get banned they're going to ban me before the election They're planning after the election To ban everybody publicly. They're planning now to just do it quietly. I'm going to force them to ban me That really sounds like he's like i'm going to get them to ban me
Starting point is 01:13:49 Which is intentionally getting yourself kicked off stuff Because i'm saying things that I earlier would have stopped myself from saying I don't know he does not make a lot of sense. Wait, so dad does sound like he's probably giving him good advice Which is cool out which kind of suggests the reason that he's doing it is like fuck you dad There's a piece of that You're not the boss of me anymore It all boils down to oppositional defiance to some extent whether it's to his human resource director slash father Or to the idea of like they're gonna kick us off eventually. So I'll do it first
Starting point is 01:14:20 So I'll be the first one in the ban pool Son or whatever son don't say flagrantly misogynist or anti-semitic things to your employees Fuck you dad. You can't control me. I'm gonna take the governor off I was not saying those things, but no i'm gonna fucking do it It's not because you told me not to no it definitely not down and I thought about it And I realized I was holding myself back from saying anti-semitic things You know how I've always been holding myself back from that Uh strange
Starting point is 01:14:48 So I didn't listen to this whole episode. I should be totally honest with you I turned it off at a certain point because there's a lot of this stuff You know, we've gotten we've gone down these roads of like complete and utter bullshit That's masking like just inhuman nonsense. Yeah. Yeah. And then at the same time Most of the time that we the clips that we haven't played are all him talking about this meme He's over the moon with this meme So then I don't understand that at all. It's not that good. It's a good meme It's really not the fabian socialists want you to use emojis
Starting point is 01:15:22 I don't understand what that means the fabians. I don't understand who I don't understand Why they want you to use emojis because it restricts speech You need you need memes What? Look, it's nonsense, but then he gets into um a little bit of hatred for uh, beta. Oh rork Yeah, yeah, yeah Because alex is now super into ted cruz Which I would remind everyone that he was really doubling down on the attacking ted cruz when donald trump was during the uh, the primary
Starting point is 01:15:54 Of course, uh lion ted. Uh, your dad was involved in the kennedy assassination Now he's the best senator that there ever was loves him. He actually even says it's a national emergency if ted cruz doesn't win His election and I think there's two pieces of this one Alex wasn't taking this all this seriously before because he didn't think that beta was a serious contender And then second his x wife has been tweeting a lot about beta and her support of him So I think there might be a little piece of that. Fuck you dad. He's Really into ted cruz. If I really into ted cruz. I mean really anti beta So, uh, here's the first clip of uh of that which is I would deem this to be irresponsible
Starting point is 01:16:40 You know beta aurorke wants to ban semi-autos beta aurorke wants open borders beta aurorke wants to put globalist Communist types on the spring court. That's enough to vote against him And I bet there's more To you know, say he's a pedophile. That's not what i'm saying. I'm saying if I was casting a creepy pervert Or somebody like run a mortuary or something that like kidnaps kids and eats them or something I would pick ted cruz with halloween coming up Obviously ted cruz. I've had him working in the ghoul shop the most ted cruz Guy, but beta aurorke ted cruz would be the head guy aurorke. He would be
Starting point is 01:17:13 Uh, definitely working in the house of harsh now. Who would be the head guy? ted cruz stelter I mean, I don't think ron stelter is a pedophile cool, but he looks like the subway founder What who is one and so many of these guys have that look, you know, the pedo look like salon and and and vice worships pedophilia now No, and they say how great it is all the time And say, you know, it's good for this to happen to kids They have a right for men to come pick your daughter or son up And so all i'm saying is
Starting point is 01:17:43 Central casting folks Central casting these guys look like slimy pieces of crap that you wouldn't let get anywhere near your children Of course, they want to abort your children Before they're born they want to kill your children if they could before they're born and they want to feed them gmo And give them deadly vaccines cool man. He just hit the trifecta. That was uh, I think You know So so in his mind he got bingo in his mind It's terrible if he called them a pedophile
Starting point is 01:18:10 But he can say they want to kill your children before they're born Sure And then heavily imply They are pedophiles because they look like pedophiles in central casting or something I mean, they're great great administrators and fantastic public servants, but they look like pedophiles So you can't vote for them the the like uh Like that that's so Gross like what he's doing there is so gross the coupling and the so the word association. Yeah. Yeah that he's doing is so
Starting point is 01:18:41 Like it it's it's elementary. It's irresponsible. It's loathsome I just listen to stuff like that and i'm like that's the kind of thing where i'm like I don't know I got better things to do Well, his dad told his dad told him to call them pedophiles as a brilliant HR move Yeah, yeah, yeah get get all the riffraff to quit info wars because you are I won't call them pedophiles this time I know that like my life as it is is kind of like maybe a lot of people would think possibly i'm throwing a lot of my time away
Starting point is 01:19:13 And like maybe i'm fishing in a dry well by really trying to understand alex drowns and I take that criticism I understand But even I is fully committed as I am to this he or shit like this and i'm like I got better things to do. I don't know why this guy is even doing a show anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah This is nonsense. Yeah, this is and when you add in the added layer to of like the junez stuff the multi-level marketing incorporation He's he's got in on how's that going so far? I don't know. I haven't heard him talk about it But I don't listen to his show much. So i'm gonna go with great I don't listen to his present day show much anymore because it makes me feel like this
Starting point is 01:19:46 It makes me feel like i'm not doing anything. Yeah, like I understand there's like, okay, uh, you know thx 1138 We can learn a little bit about that Sure, we can like point a finger at paul joseph watson for snarkly saying everyone should do research when he hasn't done any himself Yeah, sure. I can talk to you about the the hundering Caravan stuff. We can do that. Sure We but the rest of this is And let me tell you something say what you want that fight scene with darth mall at the end of phantom menace was great Sure, you got to give it to you got to give it to him there. Absolutely. Yeah, but the rest of the show is dog shit
Starting point is 01:20:23 It's nothing. Yeah, it's a man spinning his wheels and doing nothing And when he did when you this next clip is about where I was like, all right. I'm out. I don't I I wish you well, alex. I don't need to listen to this fucking bullshit anymore. Yeah, because like listen to this Speaking of pedo aurora Nice. I'm sorry. It's beta aurora. How do you know? When you got a name like because we didn't get it the first time pedo aurora or Wait, wait, wait It's not beta aurora. The it's not pedo aurora
Starting point is 01:20:52 Oh, it's pedo Pito aurora, how you doing? Well, I'm having a problem my transmitter then Oh, okay. Somebody come in here. It's breaking. What's his name? Sometimes I have like this moment this mental block. So many great right wing comedies beta aurora lyre aurora chicken neck aurora That one's not good scallywag
Starting point is 01:21:14 aurora What I don't care. That's the one you close on a communist or socialist You're fleeing california. That's great. Just don't bring it here. But when your family Is a bunch of fake texans and you talk like obama Mixed with bernie sanders. Just get out of my state. You scumbag Beto grew up in el paso. There's daplo aurora. There's a girl taco aurora There's bagger vance aurora. Everybody knows these I would say that alex is not as good as his daddy donald trump
Starting point is 01:21:48 It coming up with nicknames for people because all that is soft scallywag aurora scallywag That's his closer. Well because he said carpet bagger right before that carpet bagger aurora And so I think that they could just associate it in his mind. Scallywag is a fun word. It's a fun word But it's not an insult. It's actually kind of a like oh you scallywag It's almost like a begrudging respect for you getting away with nonsense. I don't think it is. I think it's a bad term I remember I looked this up a while ago and I think it's actually like uh, isn't it from uh, like pirates or whatever Oh, no, uh, you know, it's yeah, it's a person who behaves badly, but an amusingly mischievous That's what I'm saying. It's some other word like scallywag. They like is just in our vernacular
Starting point is 01:22:31 But we don't really know the etymology of I can't remember what it is. Oh, that's right. Yeah No, I can't remember what it was but there's another one. I looked up. There's like, oh, shit. That's a bad word Yeah, that I thought was just a fun word. But yeah, okay. Scallywag is good. Yeah, okay So he's cantankerous That's weak. He's mischievous. It's weak But then the comedy bit of like, oh my earpiece isn't working. What's that? What's his name? Pito O'Rourke, man. Pita O'Rourke. It's a bad comedy piece and it goes on forever That clip is almost a minute long. He goes even further with it. He's like, who's that cow at UT?
Starting point is 01:23:05 Bevo Bevo O'Rourke. Oh man, like you are grasping at straws, buddy I don't know. Like I hear stuff like this and I'm just like, I got it. I got to go man It's it's kind of like being around someone you don't want to be around And I know that it's kind of my job to be around someone no one wants to be around But like I just like I want I want him to do better and I just I'm not getting any I'm not getting anything out of it And I'm just hearing him be like Pito O'Rourke, Pita O'Rourke
Starting point is 01:23:35 I was like, this is pathetic. This is on the same show that Paul Joseph Watson is basically saying like We just do playground insults and when you respond poorly to it, we keep doing it because that's what bullies do Yeah, I hear him do this this name calling game. I'm like This is sad He can do better He has it. Yeah, he has it in him. He could do better. Maybe not anymore Maybe not maybe he's lost a step or whatever But like he is like the curt shilling of radio hosts that nobody pays attention to anymore
Starting point is 01:24:11 How do you mean? He's lost his fastball. I'll tell you that right now. That is fair. Yeah, because this this I've resolved I've resorted to noises because I don't even know how to express my disappointment in this shit It's so it's so bad. It's so dumb. I don't know I know that there's not a ton of people listening to this, but I don't know how anybody is listening to this anymore. Yeah Fuck this. Anyway, we'll be back on monday Well, you got to get your racism somewhere and some people don't like going to the fox news, man There's better places for your racism. I would say that like If anything
Starting point is 01:24:50 What this diminished quality in alex's show is probably doing is pushing people to much harder stuff Yeah, like a ruby tuesday. Sure, you know what's going on there. I don't yeah. Well now you do Man, they're having the meetings at the ruby tuesday. Oh, no, everybody knew that they had to leave a Benegans, benegans would no longer handle the alt right anymore. You got to respect benegans. That's not a popular decision They're gonna get a lot of bad yelp reviews. Absolutely. You know, you got to take a stay you got to take a stand somewhere Um, yeah, so I don't know. We'll be back on monday with uh, whatever, uh, probably 2009. Yeah, uh stuff because I can't I can't do this. Yeah, we got to take a break for I can't do this modern day stuff Yeah, you expect to find one thing and you find nothing
Starting point is 01:25:32 Nothing but atrocities. Anyway, we have a website knowledge fight dot com And we do what if you wanted to find us on this social media network? You could find us on twitter at knowledge underscore fight. What if you wanted to watch the social network? You could do that I think you do I what torrent kaza. Was that how you would uh do it? Maybe maybe it's on amazon prime Maybe what social network was that based on though? Uh facebook. All right. Can we be found there? You can on facebook. We also have a group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant And do we do we're on itunes you can leave a review you can do the whole thing. Yes very much. Uh, you can uh guys What's up dan? I feel like you've got some information you've got to get off your chest
Starting point is 01:26:13 You've been hiding this for so long. It's time to come clean. Well, I would say um I don't I don't have a lot of experience with gaming. It's not like it's not a big part of my life Yeah, but I know I know that by and large NPCs non playable characters right most of the time they exist to Have dialogue with you. Maybe you like in skyrim. Maybe you talk to somebody and they give you a quest Exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of NPCs are actually very important to the quality of the game Generally speaking you can't really play the game without them because they they precipitate a lot of the actions They're an essential piece and a lot of the time they don't kill you
Starting point is 01:26:51 But one guy I do know has killed somebody probably Technically and that's Alex Jones Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you

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