Knowledge Fight - #219: March 13, 2009

Episode Date: October 22, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the March 13, 2009 episode of The Alex Jones Show, where they see hints of what is to come for Alex as the Tea Party rises, and hints of how he came to his distorted view of reality. Also, more importantly, Chuck Norris shows up on the show and provides Alex with an interview that is the definition of "sour grapes."

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes. Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. And indeed we are, Dan. Dan? Yes, sir. Can you name three cities in Australia? Yeah. Perth. Yeah. Queensland.

Okay. That might be, yeah, New South Wales. No, that's not a city. Perth, Melbourne and Adelaide. Melbourne. Yeah, whatever. I'm an American. Sorry. Yeah. Why? What do you ask? Have you ever been? I don't know. I've never been to Australia. I was thinking about, I kind of like to go now. Yeah. I hear it's lovely. I don't know. I don't know. Cool. It's cool. Yeah. Shout out. I thought it would just be a fun little thing to see whether or not you could name three of them. Shout out to our Australian listeners and sorry that I've mixed up territories with

cities, perhaps. I'm not entirely sure. That's my American coming out. Also, sorry about the political situation in your country, which I can actually pretty calmly say to every one of our listeners. Sorry about that. Sorry. Sucks. That's something I refuse to apologize for. What's that, Dan? Great transitions. Thank you. About our new donors. Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to say thank you to a couple of people who have joined up and supported the show. They're very excited to say welcome aboard

and thank you so much, Chris L. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Thank you so very much. Chris, thank you so much. And then, you know, got a very exciting thing here. Someone has taken their donation and bumped it up. What? And now we have a new raptor princess.

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We would appreciate it. Oh, so much. So it'd be nice. Yeah. Yeah. Because quite frankly, a niche boutique podcast about Alex Jones probably is not going to get commerce on our side. I mean, with the things that we talk about and the things that we say, I assume that all capitalist enterprises want to be a part of this.

I feel like it would be hard to micro target ads. At our audience, anyway. But be that as it may, it is what it is. And we appreciate everybody. Oh, so very much. Now, Jordan, today we are going back to the past. We are starting the week off in 2009, back on track in the investigation. Yes.

And we know for a fact that the Soros mystery will not be solved anytime soon. No, probably not for a year or two. Yeah, probably. So we got a long way to go. If you want to check out and come back, it's what we're doing in the middle of 2019. Maybe we'll have an answer for you. Still download the episode, but you don't need to listen to it.

Wait until we're at a... But think about how much context there will be for the reveal when it finally does happen. Oh, it'll be amazing. Yeah, it'll be like the end of Dune. You've made it all the way through. I guess. I don't, I've never read Dune. Wait, what does that mean?

It's just a big book, right? Isn't it pretty big? I remember when I was a kid, being overwhelmed by the size of it and like, I'm like, oh, yeah, no, I'll go infinite gestic. No, it's a big book. I just, I just wasn't sure. Wait, do you mean there's a sense of accomplishment or there's a context there? Yeah, if you just read the last page, it's not going to be that great.

But if you've read all of it, the last page is probably awesome. The last page actually is pretty great. I consider like infinite gest and Dune to be like two examples of books that most people haven't made it through. That just seems to me as like sort of stereotypical example. Yeah. So that's why I used it and because you love Dune. Do you need to read the end of infinite gest?

I don't know. I don't know. I think I kind of, I'm just, I don't want to be mean. I think I kind of got it. Sure. Like once he gets to the list of movies that the dude has been in, it's like, all right, dude, I got you. Fair.

So we're in 2009. We're going over March 13th, 2009 today. This is a big old day in Alex Jones history. We're doing one day in 2009. We are. We've always done like two or three days. Well, we tried to, but I know I mentioned last week that this episode was kind of difficult for me because he brings up a number of things that led me down roads of research.

So I didn't want to take too many, too much content, lest we end up in a discussion about something and we end up with a six hour episode on our hand. Yeah. Yeah. So one day will suffice because there's a lot of meat to get into. And then on top of that, there's something you need to know. Boy, I tell you, things are crazy around here.

Chuck Norris don't need to come on the show anytime that he'd been listening for many years. The first time I had him on late last year. And I just hadn't thought to call him or email him since he was on with us. And then I got blindsided with this big announcement that he might run for the president of Texas and that both parties are controlled by groups. He'd be IRS is a fraud. And when I heard Beck Glenn Beck was involved, that's just one of the hosts that's involved.

You know, I don't have a very high view of Beck because he said Ron Paul supporters need to have the army used against him and her terrorists. And now he's backed off of that. But he mixes a lot of propaganda and what he does. So I was at the end of the show. Yeah, that'd be terrible firm that Chuck Norris had said these things, was having this big simulcast today at five o'clock Eastern. I should have headed to the bottom of it.

So I went and emailed Chuck. And dearest, I left it about six. Boom. He emailed right back. We missed the email saying, yeah, I'd love to come on tomorrow at one o'clock. Is good for me. Is that good for you? Hi, Alex.

I'm not busy. So this leads to about a two minute Alex on air meeting where he's talking to his staff about how like we really got to get these emails together. I understand. I left at six yesterday. He emailed back at six oh two. I could have goddamn Chuck Norris on my show right now. If one of you motherfuckers and answered that email,

I'm furious about it because I'm in limbo right now. I tried to write him back this morning, but I haven't heard back. I'm on air now. What am I going to do now? Come on, man. Come on, man. You leave your work at the office. I get it.

It's six oh two. Let me tell you something. You don't check those emails after work. When I was an accountant, yes. But if I was trying to book Chuck Norris, no, I'm checking my work email. If Chuck Norris is going to hit me up and be like, I'm going to come roundhouse, kick some information at you. I don't know.

I just want to. I feel like Chuck already was the president of Texas. Yeah. Just as like a metaphorical concept. That's not a real thing. But he did once wear a jet pack in an episode of Walker Texas Ranger. That's true. So he is my president of Texas.

I also, I will say spoiler alert, Chuck Norris does show up on this show. On this episode? How does it what? And it's great. Okay. But one thing that pisses me off so much is that Alex doesn't play the Walker Texas Ranger theme to play him onto the show because it would be perfect for him.

That's rude. When the eyes of the Ranger are upon you. That'd be rude. And you're wrong. You do. He's gonna see. Play this theme song from Sidekick. When your in Texas look behind you.

That's my jam right there. Because that's where the Ranger is going to be. When you're in Texas look behind you. I love that theme song. Beckman, me and Nikki Gifts lived together back in Missouri. He was going through a bit of a Walker Texas Ranger face. I reject those words entirely. We ended up watching a Walker Texas Ranger face.

There's a lot of, there's a lot of value in that show, man. There's a lot of really, yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's up there with Matlock. Yeah. Giver. I think in terms of those shows, you can just watch all of them and they're all the same.

Yeah. They're all awesome. Anyway, Chuck Norris is going to show up a little bit later. Wasn't that, wasn't that show just essentially Kung Fu, but if he was a Texas Ranger? Well, yeah. And he's behind you. Oh, he's behind you? Always.

That really doesn't make me feel comfortable. If you're in Texas, turn around. He's behind you. Hold on. There's a, there's the president of Texas behind me. We got to run. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, the reason that Alex wanted to have Chuck Norris on is that he's caught wind of the fact that he is going to do episode of Glenn Beck. Oh, he's got to scoop him. There's talk that he's going to, Norris is going to make a big announcement on this Glenn Beck episode. And so of course you're absolutely right. He just wants to scoop Glenn Beck. Yeah, of course.

He's petty and mad about this. So, so, so he has not talked to Chuck Norris at all for like six months. Conceivably since the last time he mentions in that clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then all the blue, he gets an email from Chuck or he emails Chuck. He reached out to Chuck. So he finds out that Chuck is going to be on Glenn Beck show and he's shooting out an email ASAP.

Oh yeah. And then he gets a response two minutes later, but he misses the response. So now he's panicking on air like, Beck is going to take this one from me. What am I going to do? But little does he realize there's a decent chance that he's already taped that appearance of Glenn Beck. Of course. Because I don't think it's live to air.

So there's for Glenn Beck is always live. And let me let me just put the pin in this. There is no scoop. Alex thinks it's something like he's going to announce he's running for president of Texas. Texas should secede something like that. Yeah. Because that's what like really bad presumptive media has started throwing a lot of the blogs that Alex gets his information from.

Been like, is Chuck Norris going to be the one who brings us back? That sort of thing. He's going to be the one who brings us back some bow flexes. Certainly. So Alex wants this scoop really badly. Here's a clip of him just really expressing how like I need to get him on before he talks to Glenn Beck. Yeah.

So we'll see if Chuck Norris is going to be on the show today. I mean, they said, yes, we'll come on. Yes, it's this time. Good. But they're so busy. Who knows with two hours notice. If that will happen because obviously I can have him on next week. He's not busy.

Sunday, but I want him on ahead of this simulcast today. Because he's talking about very, very exciting, very, very dynamic, extremely interesting things right now. Or these blogs are, uh, and, uh, you know, Chuck Norris is probably going around and making Chuck Norris fact jokes. I think he's doing a lot of that in 2009. He's doing a lot of leaning into that. No, no, no.

Isn't he legally prohibited from making those jokes? Is this a Chuck Norris fact? I seem to recall around this time a big part of his PR strategy was really embracing those jokes. Yeah. I am. It's a fun, it's a fun little meme. Yeah. That's nice.

So Chuck Norris does things. Congratulations, everybody. We did it. Yeah. In this next clip, uh, we get back to one of the narratives that's been really robust in this March 2009, uh, period of time. And that, of course, is the, uh, the Mayak document, the document about the modern militia movement. Oh, those white supremacists, they're great.

Not bad. The one that Alex misunderstands much like a junior high student who has not come to class, might, uh, and he lies more about it in this next clip. Two days ago, we broke the news and published a full document with phone numbers to the Missouri state police with a standard, there's just an update, standard material that the fusion centers, the feds have set up to brainwash the police and military are receiving at all the states. And they're moving the military into the same buildings with the state police, local police, in every regional area, four to five county areas and in all the big cities.

Are they also renovating? And then about 12 hours later the next morning, we, uh, because we call that afternoon and they said that the captains and sergeants and lieutenants and colonels were out calling the state police in Missouri. We did call them that day. Uh, they, we did talk to them yesterday morning and we put out on air that phone numbers, additional phone numbers and the names of the state police at the office of intelligence with the Missouri state highway patrol in the governor's office that put this out.

So, I mean, we gave you the names and they wouldn't come on air and we said, call them, people have been calling them and I see the pressing boards. Yeah, I talked to Captain Hull and I talked to Captain Holts and we talked to them and they confirmed they put this out. So the disinfo operatives are all over the web, posting this saying, I'm a liar. It's not real. Alex is missing the point. It is real, but what it says isn't what he says.

He's making that elementary, uh, logical fallacy that he, he makes about the idea that I just, just to drive it home again, the idea of this document saying that people who are in terrorist leaning militias often are supporters of Ron Paul does not mean if you are a Ron Paul supporter, you are suspicious to me of being in one of these groups. Right. I mean, it does now. He believes that those two statements are equivalent and that's how he's reporting this. That's the part that he thinks disinfo agents are saying, you're wrong about this.

And instead what he's choosing to respond to is as if what they're saying is this isn't real. No, it is. I've called them. It is real. He's just lying about what it is. So it makes the next clip all the more funny when we realize that there's that lie in place. I can't handle it sometimes that people say we exaggerate when nine times out of 10, it's the other way around.

No, we lie about it. Yeah, about 10% of the time we end up over estimating what's happening with something, but most of the time, I mean, probably more than 90%, it's far worse than we say. No, it's far worse than we say. How could it be? There, there, he's holding restraint. I mean, he is keeping himself under control for your benefit. Otherwise, he could cause a mass panic.

His narrative. There might be, what if there were a billion people on the border, Dan? His narratives right now, like in 2009, involve a shadowy group of all powerful, super rich individuals that are all working together. And their plan is any day and out, they're going to collapse the dollar. So you can't buy food. And when civil unrest breaks out, they have camps built everywhere to put people in forcefully. Anybody who talks up, they're going to put them in the camps.

And at that point, once they have modified the population, they will release bio weapons to kill 80% of the population. At which point, I guess the rest of the people who survive will be feudal serfs to these globalists who have armored redoubts. And then I guess kill the rest of them. I don't know. But how could he not be like that? At least they're not punches is all in the deck.

He's trying to say here, like that's what he talks about 90% of the time. So 90% of the time, it's worse than he said. It's worse than that. Yeah. It is worse than that. At least they're not punching everybody in the deck. That's actually part of the FEMA camp welcome committee. Oh, well, then fuck, it can't get worse than that.

All the people, FEMA, all the federal emergency management agents around, they take you to the camp and on your way in the door, one good one. They just give you one good one right in the nuts. That's just adding insult to injury. But it's because they hate masculinity. Oh, well, then I guess it's fine. Sure. So that's foolish and silly.

But in this next clip, we get to sort of the beginning of one of the bits of meat that he's going to be talking about here in the show. And this is actually super complicated. And I hope that I'm able to adequately break this down. But I also probably need to stress that you should ask questions if you're confused. Because this is a bit complicated. Okay. Anyway, here's the first clip of Alex talking about a secret group.

Okay. That are globalists, but not here yet. Okay. All right. The Bush family, the Haramans, the JP Morgan's and others on record, loved Hitler. I mean, right even before he got elected, they loved him. And the reason they loved him was the Milner group, the most powerful group out of the Bank of England that runs our Federal Reserve.

They are smart. I mean, these people are geniuses. It's why they're in control, but they're evil. They're evil geniuses. Well, that's okay. What are we doing today, Pinky? The same thing we do every day. Conquer the world.

So you don't even... They're not even trying anymore. They're just doing it. You don't need to ask any questions about Pinky in the brain. How can you... But his impressions are still bad back then, which is good to know. If you don't say try to conquer the world, how can you do it every day? How can you conquer the world anew every day?

Well, there's a new world to conquer every time you wake up, sir. Oh, but that seems like it would get boring. Wouldn't you eventually you'd have to be like, we're going to conquer the world again? See, you see it as boring. I see it as something you'd see on a motivational poster. Every new day brings a new world to conquer. Something it's a new-agey aphorism.

Conquer the world, baby. So in the middle of this episode here, Alex is launching into an impromptu history lesson, which offers us a rare chance to gain context clues as to where he's getting his information from. In this case, because he mentions the Milner group in that clip that we just played, there can be literally no doubt where he's getting his information from,

because there's only one source. Part of this is because most scholars, many of them, don't believe that the Milner group, conceived of as a formal body, actually ever existed. Or if it's just a name that's been given to a group of like-minded friends who would meet and work together in the British establishment in the early 1900s. All of the information about the Milner group and the name itself comes from two books by Carol Quigley.

The Anglo-American Establishment and Tragedy and Hope. In the books, Professor Quigley lays out what he's researched about these groups that operated behind the scenes. And he's concluded that groups like the Roundtable group, the Society of the Elect, and the Association of Helpers were all in fact elements of the same group, which he's titled the Milner group. I assume the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was in there as well?

Absolutely. Yeah, okay, good. You got Quatermain. Yeah, gotta have Quatermain in it. He's actually going to be more relevant than you think. Isn't Sean Connery just Sean Connery in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? Yeah, he wasn't trying to. He didn't have a character, right?

He was just Sean Connery playing himself. Yeah, I famously fell asleep in that movie. Oh, did you? Yep. Everyone knows it. Famously? Everyone knows it. I famously fell asleep. You know what happened there?

It was on Hollywood Reporter. You know what happened there? I thought I had a story about falling asleep in that movie. But no, you just fell asleep during that movie. Completely. Very boring story. So the group, the Milner group, is named after Alfred Milner, who's alleged to have started the group with Cecil Rhodes in 1891.

The story presented in Quigley's work is an interesting one, but from what I can tell, it's something that lacks backing support from a lot of other scholarship. Quigley himself offers this statement in his introduction to the Anglo-American establishment. Quote, Naturally, it's not possible for an outsider to write about a secret group without falling into errors. There are undoubtedly errors in what follows. I feel also that there are a few misstatements of facts, except in one most difficult matter.

Okay. He does say there are few misstatements of facts. So he's trying to say they're only a couple. Except in one most difficult matter. The difficulty arises from the problem of knowing just who is and who is not a member of the group. Since membership may not be a formal matter, but based rather on frequent social association, and since the frequency of such association varies from time to time,

and from person to person. It's not always easy to say who's in the group and who is not. That's a big caveat. It is. It's a pretty big caveat. It's almost like you don't know who's in the group. I got the broad strokes of it, and some major players who were definitely behind the scenes and in front of the scenes,

deeply involved in British foreign policy colonialism in the early 1900s, 100%. But then a lot of the conclusions that can be jumped to are based on assumptions of who is or is not an associate of these groups, or if these groups are even, in essence, a unified front. Or if there's just like, oh, this one group is, they do X. This other group does Y. But sometimes their goals align a little bit, and it may appear that they're working together.

But in fact, they are discrete, separate groups. There's a difficulty about this. But for most of, I haven't read all of this book because it's long. But I've read a bunch of it, and from what I can tell, it reads like a scholarly book, and it doesn't seem like he's making too many leaps from what I've read. A lot of it seems like plausible. I just don't like any book that opens with a preemptive,

sure I didn't tell the truth there, but that's because you can't know the truth. Sure. It is tough, and it is couched in like, how could I possibly tell the truth to all of this? Right, right. I tried. And so there's a little bit of meh about that.

But now, interestingly, Alex Jones almost certainly never read either of these books, because they don't say what Alex says they do. What? What does say the same thing as Alex is The Naked Capitalist, a 1970 book by your buddy, W. Cleon Scousen. Love him. Which is little more than an attempt to distort Quigley's text

to assert things he never said. Quigley has said of Scousen's book, quote, Scousen's book is full of misrepresentations and factual errors. He claims that I've written of a conspiracy of the super rich who are pro-communist and wish to take over the world and that I'm a member of this group. He doesn't say that that's not the case. Oh, he jumped into the whole, like,

obviously he was lying about it, because how else could he know this information were he not a member of this group? Well, and one of the big pieces of Carol Quigley's worldview is he's describing these groups and that they had the influence that they had at the time that they had it. But that influence had largely deteriorated by the 1940s. And Carol Quigley, his work when it's being used by Scousen,

he says that, no, they never stopped and they didn't just have some influence, they had all of the influence. And so in order to make that make sense, W. Cleon Scousen in The Naked Capitalist argues that Carol Quigley is a part of these groups and this partial revelation is hiding the real truth, which is what Cleon Scousen would put into the world

and what Alex Jones pretends is what is in Quigley's book, when it's not. So it's almost like Scousen is saying that the East India Tea Company is actually still in operation and has been running all tea this entire time. Yeah, that's essentially what he's saying. Yeah, it's fairly similar. Gotcha. So Quigley's tragedy and hope only had a printing of about 8,000 copies,

mostly because it's a dense as shit 1300 page book that no publisher would expect to move copies of. Enter W. Cleon Scousen, who selectively quoted about 30 pages worth of random snippets, added in about 90 extra pages of anti-communist propaganda and conjecture. And now you have a book with market appeal. He claimed a year after printing that he'd sold over 55,000 copies and he was being distributed through the Liberty Lobby. If you don't recall, the Liberty Lobby was the anti-Semitic outlet

founded by outright segregationist Holocaust denier and likely Nazi admirer Willis Carto. Carto helped found the populist party who fielded David Duke as the presidential nominee in 1988. Through the Liberty Lobby, Carto published the spotlight, which was literally created specifically for the purpose of, quote, mobilizing the public opinion against Jews. He sought to use his publication to fan the flames of anti-government groups and nativists

in order that they come together against their real enemy, in quotes. Jews. Right, but also communism, the United Nations, internationalism and the moral decline accompanying liberalism. Right, right. Which are all things that he believes are essentially a Jew-backed conspiracy. Gotcha, gotcha. You start to see a little bit of a picture here.

In essence, Alex Jones has molded his life around the absolute misrepresentation of Carol Quigley's work, which was published to demonize communists and bankers, in quotes, and it was published, produced, and promoted by Holocaust deniers who made their life's work demonizing Jews. Yeah. You are going to move more copies if you call it Harry Potter and the Milner Group. That is going to happen.

Sure. But you see that Alex is getting this from W. Cleon Scousen. Yeah, of course. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. But he never says that he is. He always says that he's getting it from white papers or cites tragedy and hope, or the Anglo-American establishment.

He never says, oh, I got this from notorious anti-communist propagandist who's aligned with the Liberty Lobby, W. Cleon Scousen. And it's not... Those are the whitest papers you can get, though. Sure. They are very white. And the fucked up thing is it's not because W. Cleon Scousen would be a name that would be like a verboten on Alex's show.

His nephew Joel Scousen is on regularly. Yeah. He's a regular guest. So it's not like this would be some taboo. I think Alex on some level knows that there's more credibility to Carol Quigley than Cleon Scousen. Absolutely. And thus tries to present the angle that Scousen presented

as the original angle of Scousen, or I'm sorry, of Quigley. And that's a fucking mess. Right. He's doing a second-degree lie. He's taken a liar's lies about somebody who researched something that is unknowable and lying about those still further. Sure. So now one of the other things, too, is that the issue of the Milner group appeasing Hitler

early on, you bet they did. Yeah. Yeah, oh yeah. I think everybody did. If they existed, they absolutely did. But they quickly consider that to be a crucial error and regretted it terribly. So I think most people did that were in that boat. I mean, at a certain point, you see one Holocaust and you think this might have been a bad idea.

So you think only one Holocaust would be necessary? You know. I think now we're in the kind of like two to four Holocaust minimum for people to change their minds. Yeah, but you do see glimmers of what Alex is getting misrepresented to him by Cleon Scousen. If you look at the text of the Anglo-American establishment here, I'll read you a little passage. Quote. And by this date, which is March 1936, when Hitler re-fortified the Rhineland and thus broke several treaties and caused the rest of the world to be like, uh-oh,

certain members of the Milner group and of the British conservative government had reached the fantastic idea that they could kill two birds with one stone by setting Germany and Russia against one another in Eastern Europe. In this way, they felt that the two enemies would stalemate one another or that Germany would become satisfied with the oil of Romania and the weed of Ukraine. It never occurred to anyone in a responsible position that Germany and Russia might make a common cause, even temporarily against the West. Even lest it occurred to them that Russia might beat Germany and thus open all central Europe to

Bolshevism. So from Carol Quigley, who has looked at their documents and has friends among the people that he's writing about and people who are in these groups. Yeah. He has reviewed, he has as much access as anybody has had to the folks that he's writing about here. He is asserting that this was a oopsie-daisy. You hate to say that about World War II, but it was a dumb idea that they had.

His basic point is they chose the single worst strategy that you possibly could have. Until it was too late. Right. And then they were, and then they were like, uh, bad idea. They had a distorted and short-sighted and foolish view of foreign. Everything. Foreign policy and that sort of strategy. But you can also kind of.

The British in the early 1930s had a distorted view of what the world was capable of. Crazy. But also from that, that part of the Anglo-American establishment, I mean it goes into great detail about like how, uh, you know, there's obviously treaty issues with Britain and France, like having to back France up, but France has Eastern European allies that Britain doesn't care about. Right. So trying to find some sort of a balance of a way that you could not have all out World War would be preferable.

Yeah, you would, you would. Until there's that holocaust thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you kind of got to be like, uh, so one of the other things that I think we can't talk about this without getting into a little bit is, uh, so this Milner group, supposedly the main forces behind it were Alfred Milner and Cecil Rhodes. And his cousin, uh, Derek Windmildner. No.

Do you know how Rhodesia got its name? I don't want to know how Rhodesia got its name. It's named after Cecil Rhodes. That's not the way I wanted that to go. These are bad dudes. You know what I'm saying? Okay. All this, all this saying that Alex is lying about all this, isn't in any way to lionize

these people or to say that like, oh, they're great. Oh, no. Yeah. They were deeply involved in the colonization of Africa and did horrible things. Great. So here is the next clip from Alex's discussion of Hitler vis-à-vis the Milner group. And he says something else in this next clip that leads me to know where he's getting this sort of shit from.

We're going to run the fake communist revolution in Russia. So the people think it's going to be a workers' paradise will kill the royal cousins there, takeover, so we can run all that. But then that'll be a big threat with the engine of Russia. So in the great game, as they call it, of balkanization, divide and conquer, we'll then play a fascist or right wing movement off against Russia using the old empire. Because if we don't, the socialist and communist will take over Germany and our own revolution will get too big for us.

And we don't want all of Europe, Western Europe, falling. We just want Eastern Europe to have an extermination program. And so they created Hitler. So this... How did they create him? Like with Clay? Like, what are we talking about? He's like a golem.

Which would be very ironic. That would be too much. I don't know. I think Alex is taking the real pieces that do exist in the world about Hitler and him being supported by industrialists and foreign folk for a while, you know? Because, I mean, he was in the New York Times called him silly and hoped he would become more serious when the party, you know, what they got in power. It's stuff like that.

It's wonderful that the New York Times has never made that mistake again. Right, right. So there are a ton of people who appeased Hitler in ways that we couldn't... We can't really understand now or it's difficult to understand now. And Alex is taking those things to mean that they created Hitler. And that's absurd. But I know where he's getting this from, too. In 1971, Gary Allen's Nundare Collet Conspiracy came out.

Okay. And once again, this is another book that heavily cribbed from and misrepresented Carol Quigley's work. Quigley didn't care much for Nundare Collet Conspiracy either, saying, quote, They thought Dr. Carol Quigley proved everything. For example, they constantly misquote me to this effect. That Lord Milner, the dominant trustee of the Cecil Rhodes Trust and Heavy in the Round Table Group, helped finance the Bolsheviks.

I've been through the greater part of Milner's private papers and have found no evidence to support that. So the idea that Alex is suggesting about, they created this Bolshevik thing in Russia and fascist thing in Germany is what was reflected in that bit that I read you from his book, The Anglo-American Establishment. Just that they had hoped to come up with some balance of power with Germany in the middle of Europe and Russia over to the east and hope everything worked out. Yeah.

That does not mean that they created a Bolshevik revolution or they created Hitler. Alex is taking this from these bastardized sources of the original material. That's because Milner was the fall guy, Dan. Yeah. Do you know who was funding them? Probably the Rothschilds. Soros. Oh, it could be Soros.

It could be time traveling Soros. Time traveling in Soros. When did Sherlock, a game of Shadows come up? When you're in the time stream, look behind. Because that's where Soros is going to be. That is probably where he is. In the time stream? Now I need a clip of Soros with a jetpack.

Recording on Sunday. That means a new Dr. Who's coming out tonight, Dan. Oh boy. So in a March 23rd, 1975 article in The Washington Post, quote, As copies began to spread across the country of Nunday-Khala conspiracy. Yeah. Quigley began to grasp what the selective unauthorized quotation from his work could mean. The approach to history taken by the authors of Nunday-Khala conspiracy

offended Quigley's scholastic sensibilities. I.e. lying and distorting. Right. Worse, he found that he could not fight back against the misinformation he felt was being disseminated with the aid of his research and his name. Quote, it blackened my reputation, Quigley said. Amongst scholarly historians who are going to say, Oh, he's one of those right wing nuts.

So basically he had the stink of these weirdos. Exactly. And you kind of feel for the guy, you know, because there's not much you can do. And when he. Well, his response book was 800 more pages long. Of course, you're not going to win this one. And that's, that's, that's largely the problem too, is that like. Real research takes time and information to lay out.

It's not, it's not that interesting to read. No. No, no, no, no. Usually. But what you can do is just make wild, unsubstantiated claims with a couple of sentences and then just say, that's probably what it said. And then move on and people will eat that shit up. And the other sound bites, baby, give me, give me a book filled with tweets.

The other real tragedy for Quigley too was that like, you know, his original book had 8,000 copies because it was again, a 1300 page scholarly book that no one expected to sell. Then you've got fucking Cleon Scousen coming out selling 55,000 of it in a year, making all that money or the Liberty lobby, making a bunch of that money, because it's unauthorized quotation of his work. Then by the same token, you now have Gary Allen coming out with an undare call it conspiracy. But do you have that?

He sold millions of copies of that and none of that money is, none of that money is going to Quigley. He's getting fucked on all ends. That sucks. Yeah. We should option his book for a movie. I think that's a good idea. We'll give him some.

No, it's, it's, you liked, what was the one? Cloud Atlas. Cloud Atlas. See, there we go. So we could get Ken Burns to drive. So in this next clip, it's the last one. And then this fucking lunatic shows up. It's the, this is the last clip from this section here where he's talking about the,

the misrepresentations of Quigley's work. And I only kept this in because like the real function of what he's doing is really just kind of letting Hitler off the hook. And it's weird because he's super close, I think, in this next clip to saying like, ah, Hitler wasn't so bad. This is how they work. This is how they operate. This leads us up to today.

And then Hitler, they turn against Hitler. He flips out. He starts saying, my God, they promised me this. I wasn't going to attack him. We were supposed to link up after I'd taken Europe and then knock out Stalin. And then we were going to carry out eugenics and exterminate the majority of the non-white population. That was the Hitler plan.

If you didn't know how they were going to put fluoride in the water to first pacify people, use them as slave labor, buy off their leaders, how the, how the ops were going to work everywhere. Did he also want this year of destiny? You know, funding him as well, that he would only let Jews escape. This is mainline books are being written by Jewish publications about this, that they would only let Jews go to Palestine. That's why they wouldn't let them go to New York or wouldn't let them go to London.

And they had to pay a million dollars to the Zionists to get out. So they'd loot them. Oh, yeah. I mean, this is, this is all dangerously close to Holocaust denial. Like it's not denial, pure, it's not pure denial, but man, this, this is so close to the rhetoric that you see in all sorts of places that blame, like sort of hidden Jews behind the scenes for the Holocaust itself. Who else could it be?

Right? The Rothschilds, man, they was them. They were doing it. They had this whole plan and they screwed over Hitler. Hitler was screwed over. You know, I used to, I used to really hate Hitler, but now that I know that he was betrayed, I'm really starting to feel for this guy. Man, after this too, Alex, like he brings up that, uh, Rudolph Hess story about him, uh,

him, uh, parachuting out of an airplane, uh, with a secret treaty or something like that. But the, oh, I remember that. Yeah. We talked about that nonsense. Yeah. We talked about that in the past episode, but the only thing that really caught me off guard was that Alex said Rudolph Hess was a war hero. Ooh, that's not good.

He sort of swallows World War one or hero, but even that's not great. No, no. I don't know. I don't like this idea of just like letting Hitler off the hook for everything and then calling Rudolph as a war hero. Yeah. Everybody was doing great. I don't enjoy it.

But look, look, Dan, you have a lot of misconceptions and that's because you've been reading the liberal history. That is, that makes you a race trader and it's awesome for me to say race trader because that's what's really important, Dan. Seems like Alex might agree with you on that. Yeah. Yeah. So now we're done with that section of this and we can move on to Alex

having more fun, say, and stupid shit about other things than World War two. Henderson urges caution on community gardens and says allowing people to have gardens could be a problem because they might grow pots. See, we're all prisoners here and this is how to, this is how to Tulsa, Oklahoma. And I've got other ones around the plate country where they want to inspect your home garden, guilty until proven innocent. So there you have it. I mean, they're just cracking down on anybody having their own food.

They're cracking down on you getting your own food because they want you hungry so they can get you into those FEMA camps or something. So I have this article. Are they, are they going after subsistence farmers? No, this is about a city council meeting in Tulsa and the, the Henderson is Jack Henderson, the Tulsa city counselor. And what the issue here is not about private gardens, it's about community gardens. And actually this article is less about the marijuana issue.

He does say, here's a quote from him, how do we know what people are going to be growing? Vegetables, maybe, or maybe something else. Is there going to be someone that inspects what's growing? In a community garden, I kind of understand, I don't think it matters that much. But that's just one point that he brings up. The main concern is the idea of like, all right, we start these community gardens on what, what land are we using?

How is it zoned? And then what if it falls into disrepair? Whose responsibility is that if it just becomes overgrown? Is that the city's responsibility? Are we going to have to budget for that? Or is it a private place that now you have a community garden here and then the home owner or the property owner is then responsible for the overgrowth of the gardens? Yeah.

There's more issues here than just the idea of- I mean, those are reasonable concerns, I guess. Yeah. On the other hand, I mean, it's a community garden, dude. Everybody kind of gets it. There are tons of community gardens around Chicago. Does anybody, is anybody confused by them? Everybody just kind of has a weird pop-up political system that grows around those,

where you have to talk to somebody, but you don't know who for a while, and then you meet a couple of people in the know, and then you find out who's running things, and you ask for a plot, and the person who's running things, self-appointed, because they just showed up first. It's probably a bag lady at the end of the day. Yeah. Her bags are filled with vegetables, and it's also Eric Abadou.

So that is what- Wait, where was I going with this? I'm not sure, but also in this article it says that they would support the amendment, and if unforeseen problems arise, the council can go back and make changes if they want. But it is this article that he's reporting on. He's not reporting on the reality of it. It is really just about the city code enforcement,

and whether or not it would require tax dollars to clean up places that fall into being abandoned, basically. And then also the idea, like if it's a private place, and it's the person's responsibility, how are we going to make them clean it up? It would be a blight. It would turn into like a trash yard, basically. So, look, this isn't some sort of fascist crackdown on people growing food.

That's a really boring meeting. Right. Why are we talking about it? Well, because Alex brought it up, and it's just- No, no, no, I mean, Alex, why are we- What are we doing here? Well, because it's a simple way for him to weave some of his pre-existing narratives into a story that doesn't have anything to do with it.

You know, it's basically what his show is. Yeah, well, I'll pair it up. I mean, fair enough, you don't listen to as much of it, but there's a lot of these on the cutting room floor. I just heard out of Tulsa, Oklahoma, they are raising parking by five cents. Do you know why they want to raise parking by five cents? I don't. Because that five cents is used to buy candy in 1944, and now we can't get it anymore.

I want to phosphate, but now I got to spend that five cents on parking, even though I don't live in Tulsa, Oklahoma. This is fascism, Dan. Yep. More or less. So we move on from this story. There's breaking news on the Alex Jones show. Courtesy of a family member of Alex's, or should I say whistleblower?

You know, my dad just popped by the office and he's a professional. Hey, son. And the feds are out brainwashing, and the state police are brainwashing everybody. Just want to let you know people be brainwashed. You know, every year, Dennis had to go back for more training to the state, and they're all there telling him, look out for gangs. He just came in the office during the break to tell me this. He said, and what are gangs?

They're sororities and fraternities, any group that is secret. And so they're just saying the entire American people basically are terrorists. And so my dad just bought me that piece of intel. This just happened to him in his continual education last week. Crazy. So in dentists community continuing education, they are warning dentists. To look out for frat guys. So many frat guys issues.

They put their colors in their teeth, Dan. I would only believe this if this was like. Cap of beta incisor. I would only believe this in any way if it was about like, look out for people who wear grills or something like that. And it was some sort of a racism thing. Yeah. That's the only way I believe this is even close to real.

Oh, I bet the continuing education for Dennis is always like watch out for, watch out for grills. They just watch out for grills. They just play the Paul wall video and they're like, see, see, isn't this scary? Yeah. And there's one dentist in the back is like, dude, I make millions off grills. You guys are losing money by being racist. There might be a cold front.

If I take a deep breath, he's got so much ice in his mouth. Yeah, that's a good song. Anyway, in this next clip, we get a guest. Oh, he's our favorite South African gold exploiter. Ladies and gentlemen, Bobby Chapman out of the gates. So I'm sure you've seen right at the gate. What do you think of the state police federally written document? That my act lead says that anybody that supports the Second Amendment buys gold,

believes in North American Union. Wait, buys gold. Is there an American flag? You know, I don't remember that one is a terrorist. And it's incomprehensible. But it's what to be expected from the people who control our federal government. You noticed that immediately. I didn't think you were going to catch that.

Now the narrative has evolved. Wait, where did gold come into this? Bob Chapman's on the show to sell gold. Of course, it's going to be a piece of it. You know, this is- Bob Chapman should know better than anyone else why these groups are on a watch list. Boy. What?

This is one of those things that's really essential to understand is that Alex Jones has his narratives, but he uses them specifically in different ways with different people. So like Bob Chapman exists on this show only to talk about the dollar collapsing and selling Ted Anderson's gold. That's the only reason he exists on this show. It's why he comes on all the time. He's a credible source and heavy quotes about that sort of thing in order to force people into a mindset where they're like, fuck, I should get gold.

So when Alex wants to bring up the Mayak report, which is his big narrative that he's on now, in order to make it amenable to what he knows he's going to have to get to, which is selling gold, he has to bring in, if you buy gold, you're a terrorist now. Yeah. It's great. It's perfect. I'm looking forward to when he goes through that same laundry list with Chuck Norris, but he throws in and also people who sidekick.

See, there we go. People who do karate and jeans. Yeah, that's going to- Who does karate and jeans? One guy. Come on. One guy. Come on.

Two guys, if you count his sidekick. River Phoenix? No. Speak of the devil. It is time for Chuck Norris to make his appearance on the show. Yay! Now we're joined for the next 20 minutes or maybe longer. He's a very busy man by someone who needs no introduction, Chuck Norris.

He was kind enough to come on late last year and I hadn't bugged him to come back on until I heard this big announcement that he's going to be making a big announcement today in a national simulcast on the radio and on the web. And I wanted to get him on about that and a host of issues. Talk of him being running for president of Texas or president of the U.S. and- So Alex is really excited. Still trying to be president of Texas. And the U.S.

I guess if you're the president of the United States, you're not the president of Texas, but if you're the president of Texas, Alex considers you the president of the United States. That's true. So that's how his logic would work there. This interview is weird because I will say there's a piece of- Do you mean in Alex Jones' interview with Chuck Norris turns weird? Yeah, I know. Shocking.

All right. There's an element of it that I'm kind of cool with in some ways. And that is like Chuck Norris talking about his, I don't know, I guess- Exercise equipment. Charitable work where he goes and teaches kids at schools to do martial arts and stuff like that. Yeah, that sounds fun. I think it's great, you know, martial arts are a good way to have discipline and, you know, all that stuff.

But I also seem to see there's two examples of people I know in the media who are real into martial arts. Three, if you count Eddie Bravo. Yeah. We got Chuck Norris, Joe Rogan, Eddie Bravo. All of them seem to be in great shape. But also seem to have a proclivity for hanging out with fascists. As somebody, I was in karate until I was like 12, something like that.

Only now looking back, do I realize how many of those guys were like, a lot of people want to take karate for discipline and self-defense. Some people want to know how to straight up murder a guy in the strange happenstance. What if it happened? I'm not saying I fantasize about getting this shit out of a guy in a street fight. I'm not saying that I'm always kind of angling for one of those street fights. But if you're a guy who's super into karate and you're a lot like a guy who's super into guns. I could see that mentality being there.

But I also wonder, I have nothing to base this on. And I don't think it's wrong or weird at all to do martial arts. But I wonder if there's something in the nature of that discipline that's very positive, you know, the ability to get that control over yourself. I wonder if there's an element of it in martial arts that is so predicated on subservience to the sensei or the master, the dojo. And I wonder if that there's unnecessary, but I wonder if there's something in there that leads towards a mindset that is very malleable to authoritarianism.

You know what I mean? I don't know if that's the case. I'm just spitballing here depends on the depends on the dojo depends on the sensei. I would assume so. But if you had like a hard line, real task mastery, kind of like I am the king of this, can't come up with another word for dojo, but you. But if you have that small store in a mall, but it's all about discipline and submission, subversion of yourself to the discipline of

the master, as it were, why would that not be something that you have now have practice in doing? I don't know. I find that to be weak. I think that's a weak link. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I think it's more likely that you're getting people who are inclined to violence and an authoritarian government gives them free reign to exercise violence whenever they want to. This interview is very strange for a number of reasons.

And one of the things that is very strange is that Alex wants this announcement. He wants to know what it is. Yeah. We heard at the end of that last clip him saying, you know, you're going to run for the president of Texas. He wants to scoop Glenn Beck. That's all he really wants. And unfortunately, I don't think that Chuck Norris knows that Alex Jones hates Glenn Beck.

So tell us what's coming up today. Today, Glenn Beck has started a thing called the We Surround Them, which means the nine principles that we America should live by. America is good. I believe in God and He is the center of my life. I must always be a much more honest person than I was yesterday. You know, things of that sort there and then the 12 values of honesty, reverence, hope, so forth and so on.

And so really what Glenn Beck is trying to say today is that the people have got to go back to the values that we had for many, many years and we're drifting off of that. And I totally agree with him. So Alex wants to scoop Glenn Beck and he's accidentally doing a commercial for Glenn Beck with celebrity guest Chuck Norris. Yeah, that's not good. That's not how he wanted that to go. No.

I'm here to talk about Glenn Beck's nine bullshit and 12 values. So what's interesting here is I'm actually starting to get the sense that maybe what ends up happening is Alex maybe never joins the tea party because I didn't realize the nine 12 stuffs happened this quick. I thought it took a while for Glenn Beck to get that machine moving. But no, it's already in high gear on March 13th. That's when Chuck Norris is going to go on his show to announce this. They're going to start pushing the nine 12 movement, which is what the announcement is

that Alex is now accidentally helping promote. I think that there's a decent chance that what ends up happening is that Alex never really joins up with the tea party, but consistently says that he's the real tea party. Yes, that actually sounds right. I think that's what happens. That sounds like it makes way more sense than anything else. At towards the end of this episode, we'll have another piece of why I think that might be the case. So this entire investigation is a giant cock tease.

He's never going to join the tea party and we still have no idea when Soros is going to come up, but it's at least not for another year. It's less a cock tease and more like, you know how when you do an experiment, sometimes you learn what doesn't create fire. Sometimes you find out two chemicals you can't mix and make an explosion. Bees do not create fire. That was a bad experiment. So it's not so much that, you know, this is a cock tease as much as it is.

Like this is how the scientific method work. We've knocked out a couple of possibilities. We had a good, we had a good. There's still a lot of insight and information that we've gained. And there is still a chance he is going to just be like, you know, Fuck it, I'm a tea party guy now. Sure. Any of those things are possible, but we'll see.

Anyway, because Alex is so pissed off that Chuck Norris is on his show promoting Glenn Beck, as he goes out to break, Alex accidentally calls Chuck Norris Glenn Beck. Sure. Let's talk more about that in your new book, Black Belt Patriotism. We get back with Glenn Beck. Stay with tonight on Glenn Beck. He's doing it with Chuck Norris. We're going to get back to Glenn fucking Beck.

I mean, Chuck Norris over here, whatever this fucking guy. You can sense Black Belt Patriotism. What? Yeah, I don't know. All these guys have done books, but like, uh, you could get the sense that like he's really steaming. Yeah. He's not happy about this because this is supposed to be a gift for him.

He's got Walker on the show. This is my show. Don't talk about somebody else's show on my show. Yeah. So, uh, they start talking about, uh, how, uh, Chuck Norris likes the fair tax. Yes. Which I don't want to get into. Basically, it involves a consumption based tax.

All income tax and property tax and stuff like that would go away. And you just, uh, there's a lot of tax for buying things or something like that. That's kind of the idea. There's, there's variations of the fair tax, but, uh, I will never not be surprised by how bad their ideas can be. So Chuck Norris is like, I'm into the fair tax. I want just to consume, uh, cons, uh, consuming based tax. Yeah.

And Alex is like, I got bad news for you. That's part of a global splant. Hey, I got bad news for you. All your dumb ideas that you told Glenn fucking Beck. They're stupid and the globalist want them. Yeah. His globalist. Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck's a globalist.

Globalist through and through. So then, uh, uh, Chuck Norris is an insightful man. And so he has this to say about the IRS and taxation, which I have bad news for him about. But the thing is, is that, uh, you know, uh, the IRS, what was only became constitutional in 1913, more people don't realize this, that the IRS was unconstitutional until 1913. When the government, uh, when the Congress made a, uh, an amendment,

Congress, a constitutional amendment, 15th amendment to make it constitutional. And, uh, and we've been going downhill ever since that time. Yeah. I got bad news. Yeah. That's when, that's when we started going downhill. Hey, Chuck, I got bad news because, uh, it wasn't constitutional for women to vote until it was.

I mean, what do you want to do? What do you want to do? It was unconstitutional. Anything that wasn't in the original document, Dan. It was constitutional to enslave people until it wasn't. What does this mean? What does this mean? We can't do anything.

It wasn't, it wasn't constitutional until it was constitutional. That makes it unconstitutional, Dan. It doesn't. It doesn't. No, that's a solid argument. If it wasn't constitutional before, Right. Then it can never be constitutional again.

Remember how that was written into the constitution? There definitely wasn't some sort of like, Okay, maybe we need some amendments to this constitution. Maybe it's not perfect. So what if we wrote in an actual series of instructions for how to add things to the constitution upon which those series of instructions are followed and succeeded? It will be part of the constitution. No, Dan, always unconstitutional.

Anything that wasn't in the constitution. That's so silly. Anyway, in this next clip, Glenn Beck comes up back again, and Norris expresses his love for him. And if you listen carefully, you can hear Alex give out an exasperated sigh. I just, I'm so upset. That's why I'm such a supporter of Glenn Beck.

I really consider him like you, Alex. I really consider you a crusader. And I consider Glenn Beck a crusader of all things to do. Because the whole thing is to lose the constitution. Oh, you're going to lose your constitution, little guy? We, we're going to lose it. Oh no. They're going to, it's one, the globalists have already hired Nick Cage.

They have had him on the back burner for a long time. They had him with a development deal to steal the constitution. Sure, sure. They're going to option it for a two-part series, I would assume. Well, when we talk, like when Chuck Norris, star of Walker, Texas Ranger is on this show, and he's telling us that we're going to lose our constitution if Glenn Beck, his crusade that Alex is apparently doing the same thing as,

which really infuriates Alex. If that doesn't work out, we're going to lose our constitution. It doesn't make me feel better when he says this about the constitution. You know, John Adams, our second president, stated that our constitution was made only for religious and moral people. And I really believe that, Alex, and it's wholly inadequate for the government of any other. And the thing is that we don't just maintain our faith and our moral values. You know, then the constitution's going to wind up dissolving.

Which religion? Hey, Chuck, you want a theocracy? Religious? Religious and moral people? You want a Christian theocracy, bro? Is that what you're into, Walker? Because I look behind you. I'm going to be behind you. Can't have a theocracy, buddy.

It's no good. No, it's for religious and moral people. And John Adams saying that is exactly why we need amendments. This has been a civics class. Basically, listening to Walker, Texas Ranger be stupid as shit. Yeah, I just don't understand. I just I don't get it. I don't get it.

I don't get how anybody with a straight face who seems to not be a monster necessarily. Like I don't know anything that Chuck Norris has done, like that's on the scale of like evil. Just mostly dumb. Yeah, I'm trying to think of something. Didn't look into it. So I don't know. He could have. He could have killed a guy.

Yeah, he could have killed a guy. That's possible. But it's just weird to hear somebody who, you know, you assume isn't a total monster saying like, well, the Constitution is really only for religious and moral people. So if he's saying that, then that means that everyone must be religious if we're going to have this or the Constitution doesn't apply to not religious people like a religious folks. So you know, either of those conclusions is terrifying. Yeah, and I assume he means people of all faiths.

Oh, what does he mean by moral? I think he I think he means people who follow their religious tenants to the letter of the law. I would assume so. Yeah. And I assume he means all religions. Yeah, yeah. You know, because he loves the Constitution so much. He remembers that in the First Amendment.

Nope. Oh, that one's unconstitutional. Oh, he got me. So I got sidekicks by the truth, Dan. Speaking of sidekicks, if Chuck Norris were a dictator, he'd need a sidekick. He would need a sidekick. And he talks about him in this next clip. And boy, this doesn't make me more interested in his version of government.

I mean, Ron Paul is such a champion of liberty. Well, you know, I have a saying. I don't know if I told you. Anyway, you know, all these Chuck Norris facts that are floating around for three years. One of them is that America. One of them is Glenn Beck sucks. Fuck you. It's a Chuck Patership.

And I said, now, if that was true, if that was true, I would go to Washington to Congress. I lined up all the members of Congress. And I'd have Ron Paul, who I believe is the most honest member of Congress. And I'd say, Ron, point out the honest and dishonest. No, no, that's bad. And as we're walking down the road. Have you never heard of situations where that happened before? Have you never heard of that before?

I'd walk up to him and I'd say, you're fired. And if he didn't move immediately, I took him unconscious and dragged him over. Have you not heard of that when that happens? She's the woman. Nancy Pelosi. I'd walk up and say, Nancy, you're fired. But you have all the time in the world to leave. I would prefer you just fired Nancy Pelosi.

Can we just fire Nancy Pelosi? If you're a dictator, yeah. Yeah. I don't know how, like, I would say that one of the points against Ron Paul as being the most honest person in the Senate or whatever is that he says, I didn't write that newsletter with my name on it written in the first person. You know, I remember all of the successful governments that were run that way, right? Like, oh, Chairman Bow did that.

Lenin did that. Hitler did that. This isn't going well. That's not a great list. There's not a lot of chow-chask you do. That's no good. I like the idea of him trying to bring liberty. Kim Jong-un did that.

Liberty King Ron Paul into his fantasy vision of a dictatorship where one man decides who can govern a theocratic dictatorship. No less. Yeah. That's crazy. That is nuts. What I would do is I would hire Ron Paul to be my executioner. That's essentially what he said.

No, he's the one who points people out. Chuck Norris himself is the executioner. Oh, that's right. Rear choke. He's going to do a rear chokehold. Yeah. All right. This is a bad...

That's not good. I would like to go on the record and say, I do not want to live in a chuk-tatership. That is not for me. I feel like all the amendments would disappear. We would end up... Yeah, we would lose all the amendments. They'd be not good. So much like Alex presented the Mayak report now with the gold piece of it in place for

Bob Chapman when he was earlier on the show. Now that Chuck Norris is on, I'm sorry that he doesn't say anything about people doing karate and jeans. All right. Fine. But he does lie to them about the Mayak report. If this is an information revolution that's happening, but I have the government documents. I have the secret state police reports that the feds give them where they say,

Bob Barr, Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, libertarians, people with these stickers are dangerous. They're bad. They want to kill... Oh, look at that. Who said that? This is what the feds... This just went out this month. So clearly it's coming from the Obama people.

It's up on infowars.com. I've talked to the state police. They admit this was given to them by the feds to issue to their state police officers, saying people that own gold are bad. It's up on screen right now. There it is. And it's called the modern militia movement. But then it demonizes mainline libertarians and everybody and says,

watch out for them. They're dangerous. I mean, it seems like people in the federal government right now realize the threat to them is people that are talking like you, Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris, don't go on Glenn Beck's show. You need the hardcore truth that I'm bringing because you're in danger. Absolutely. The Mayak Report is about you, Chuck Norris.

You didn't know about the Mayak Report and I did. I just saved your life, Chuck Norris. Why the fuck are you talking to Glenn Beck? Yeah. And the other thing that is really, really funny is that I didn't... I've never looked into this because I just assumed it was bullshit. But Alex has another... I don't know if it's true, but it's true.

It's true. It's true. It was bullshit. But Alex has another training thing, manual, that he touts as proof that the government is trying to crack down and they hate these patriots and all that. And it was sent to not him, but I believe... I don't exactly know the genesis story of this, like where it came from. But it came from, I know, from someone in Arizona law enforcement.

I believe it was this guy named Jack McLam, who's coming up later on the show, but I can't prove it. But the timeline matches up. But I went and looked at it, and it's just a flyer. It's a tripart flyer. It's a flyer that's going to be folded in half, and it's just giving law enforcement things to look out for. So in this case, it's actually a better argument than the Mayak Report. Because the Mayak Report, like I said, is just descriptive and based on the study that they've

done of these militia groups. This one, if you open up the fold, you look inside and it has a list of things that you should be on the lookout for. There's two things that you want to look out for with right wing extremists. Yeah. And they're quote, and this is in quotes in the document, defenders of the U.S. Constitution against foreign governments and the U.N. parenthetically super patriots. And groups of individuals engaged in paramilitary training.

Yeah, you should definitely be looking out for those guys. Well, those are two things that you would, if you were in law enforcement, you conceivably could be concerned about. Because if someone's engaging in paramilitary training, it's really, I don't want to paint with too broad a brush, but that usually doesn't happen in balanced people. People with a good head on their shoulders generally aren't in the woods training for war on their own, or in a cell. You get a small group of guys together who are ideologically consistent with each other,

and they learn how to use weapons and practice certain tactics necessary to neutralize the enemy. And you know they're never going to want to use those skills that they've learned. Right. And they'll never manufacture a reason to use those skills against an enemy real or imagined. Right. And they'll never take that enemy that is real or imagined, kind of blow it out of proportion and then turn it into a local issue.

And then they would never bomb ship. But that, and then defenders of the U.S. Constitution against the federal government and U.N., and amendments. And amendments. With like that, you should be concerned about too, because that is upsetting. You know what I mean? People who don't think that the Constitution involves the federal government. Is the U.N. trying to...

I mean, that's Alex's whole thing. Are they fighting the Constitution? Yeah. Alex does believe they're usurping our Constitution somehow. But be that as it may, those are the two things listed in right-wing extremism. And now you go down. Hate groups, skinheads, Nazis, neo-Nazis, black separatists, the KKK, Christian identity and white nationalists.

Yeah. Those are all groups that you should be aware of. Sure. Yeah. You're in law enforcement. Those are generally some groups who are gonna maybe do a hate crime or two. Alex doesn't open pamphlets. Common law movement proponents.

Oh yeah. Watch out for those guys. This section is about sovereign citizens. I don't know if maybe they didn't have that name at the time. And we're going by a common law movement. Fictitious license plates. No license plates. Fictitious driver's license.

No driver's license. Refusing to identify themselves. Request authority to... Request, why are you stopping me? That sort of thing. Make numerous references to the U.S. Constitution. Claim driving is a right, not a privilege. Oh yeah.

We've talked about a bunch with those sovereign citizens. And attempting to police the police. Those are the things you should look out for. If you see those tendencies, you might be talking to a common law movement. Maritime law kind of guy. That was the least popular version of Jeff Fox wear these bit. Then there's single issue terrorists to look out for. We got...

Single issue terrorists. You got animal rights terrorists. Right, right, right. Of course, abortion terrorists. Eco terrorists. Urban riot agitators. Non-aligned terrorists. I guess that's everybody else.

Doomsday cult type groups. Sure, should be aware of all that. Weapons of mass destruction is on here. I think don't need to tell us to look out for that. No, you should probably be aware of those. People are going to be looking out for those. And then also there's a little section. I just got the vision of a cop walking up to like this cartoon giant bomb sitting around

just being like, so you're going to use that? No? All right then. We're cool. On your way. It's your constitutional right. Oh wait, it's not. Because the amendments aren't real.

So that second amendment that you love so much wouldn't count. That is a problem. But also there's a section, left-wing terrorism. Yeah. And it says, political motivation is usually Marxist-Leninist philosophy. Now, I am not an idiot. So I read that and I say, you know what? There probably are some left-wing groups that have Marxist-Leninist philosophy.

In no way do I look at that and say, if you are into Marx, you are into Lenin, then that means you're a left-wing terrorist. But that would be how I would have to read it if I was playing the same stupid games Alex is. Yeah. So anyway, the bigger picture that I wanted to bring in is there's that left-wing terrorism is included in there as well as animal rights, eco-terrorism, which are usually left-leaning people for the most part. There's a small part about right-wing extremism.

He ignores all the rest of this in order to be like, they're trying to demonize the Patriots. Yeah. They're trying to do, I could play the same game and be like, they're trying to demonize people who care about animals rights. Do you understand? The feds are cracking down on anybody who cares about animals. It would have just as much validity using this argument, using this document.

Alex is fucking stupid is what I'm trying to get at. Yep. Anyway. So it's Chuck Norris in case anybody was wondering. Boy, it turns out. Now here's where I get a little bit of empathy for Chuck Norris. Okay. Because here's how the interview ends and watch how fast,

as soon as Chuck Norris is gone, Alex starts condescending to him. Keep the crusading going, buddy. All right. I will take care of Chuck Norris, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much, sir. All right. We're going to go to our next guest here in a moment, but I've got to take a break.

I've been going straight for 30 minutes. So we're going to come back with Jack McClam. Let me just say this right now. I analyzed this thing with Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck came out a year ago, a year and a half ago, said, arrest Ron Paul supporters, use the army on him. We've got to use the military. He basically read off the state police federal report they put out.

Couldn't have. The same talking point. We're talking points. I saw him everywhere. He got hammered and destroyed. They know we're the majority. I believe Chuck Norris is a good guy and we're in the process of educating him. He's been listening for years.

I've talked to him behind the scenes before. He says, look at a lot of this stuff. I just, you know, he's being careful how he puts it out and he's saying, we're not, you're not taking our guns. We're not getting rid of the borders. He supports the state sovereignty movement. You just heard that. I've got a gut folks and I believe Chuck Norris.

I know Chuck Norris is a good guy and he's very humble. He's becoming educated. You got to talk to him behind the scenes. That said, the establishment knows there's a massive movement against the New World War and tyranny. That's why Beck's talking about it now. And what they're doing is they're mimicking the Ron Paul move to get volunteers. And I think it may be another faction of the globalist is kind of scared of the

faction with Obama. He starts, keeps rambling from there. Yeah. I think it's really fun though, just being like, look, he's basically in, anti-globalist second grade. We're teaching him. He's on his way. You know, my gut tells me he's a good guy.

Don't judge him because he's hanging out with Glenn Beck. He's a C student, but who among us was not a C student at one point or another. We're going to get him there. That's profoundly patronizing. I can't imagine Chuck Norris wasn't still listening or something like that or didn't go back and maybe listen to this. And he probably didn't. No, he doesn't give a fuck.

But if anybody, but if anyone who knows him was listening, who would have heard that and been like, hey, Chuck, Alex was a real dick when you got off the phone. Yeah. Almost immediately after he pretended you didn't know anything. For no reason, other than he's pedally angry at you for mentioning Glenn Beck, which you don't know about. Repeatedly bringing up Glenn Beck. Yeah.

And basically using Alex's show to promote his appearance on Glenn Beck. Yeah, for, for Chuck, he, if he was listening to that, he would have no idea why Alex was just being a dick all of a sudden. Yeah. He even signed off with like, hey, you keep on fighting the good fight, buddy. Yeah. And Alex calls him sir and is nice to his face. And then was like, yeah, look, he doesn't, my gut tells me he's a good guy, but he doesn't

know much. I don't think this Alex character is a good dude. No, shitty. But he's not as shitty as this next guy. We have one more clip and it's another guest that comes up after Chuck Norris leaves. And that is the aforementioned Jack McClam. He's a former police guy from, from Phoenix, Arizona. I don't believe his time matched up with Joe Arpaio, although it is interesting that

two real piles of shit were involved in Phoenix policing. But this guy. Is it unexpected though? Not necessarily. No. So this, I just have one clip of him because most of the, his appearance, I have to explain to you, it's too boring to listen to, but it's worth mentioning. But in this clip, he sounds a lot like Chuck Norris in a certain sense.

He are kicking butt, Jack. Yeah. Yes. We sure are brother. Absolutely. More and more, we're getting more and more email. I get 200, 300 a day and that's nothing to what you get. But our police and soldiers and other people.

And it's fantastic how more and more. 10% off way for all the time. And I've been praying every night that God would give us a second chance and forgive our national sins for throwing him out of this nation and allow us to go forward. What the fuck are you talking about? His commandments and his laws and throw out these evils and laws and. He's literally. Why do you want both God's law and the constitution?

They're literally incompatible with each other. You misheard that last part. He said to throw out these evil man's laws. He is literally. Oh, he's completely out on this constitution. Both. He's literally advocating for a Christian theocracy. We would say.

Chuck was just leaning towards a Christian authoritarian dictatorship. Dipping his toe in there with Ron Paul saying, A, the water's fine. Chuck Norris described Putin's rise to power almost exactly, right? Especially the like 100%. The false Christianity that was behind it. So the rest of Jack McLean's appearance on the show, he's just promoting the oath keepers. Oh, that's not good.

The oath keepers are something that Alex is not aware of yet. He doesn't know about the oath keepers. And Jack McLean was talking about how, Hey, there's this great, cool new group of kids out on the scene. And you know what they're all about? A white nationalist paramilitary organization. They're all about keeping oaths. Oh. Oh, well, that's nice.

Everybody likes keeping oaths. If you make an oath, you should keep it. They sound eminently reasonable, Dana. I assume there are no other details to learn about them. I just keep out. I'm saving getting into them for another day because I'm certain Alex is going to go whole hog into oath keepers. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And this, I think, is what he does instead of going into the Tea Party. And the reason for that is... He joins a paramilitary white nationalist organization. The reason I have this suspicion is because during that segment with Chuck Norris, he was talking about Glenn Beck's 912, the nine principles and 12 attitudes or whatever, right? And Alex is visibly and audibly like put off by it.

But also, I think there might be a piece in his mind that was like, that's pretty marketable. Because when Jack Mclam comes on, he starts talking about the 10 things that the oath keepers are really big into. The 10 rules that the oath keepers have, like we will not take away people's guns. Man, these fucking guys, they love their bullshit rules. So at the end of the show,

Alex and Jack Mclam spend 40 minutes breaking down the rules of the oath keepers. 40 minutes breaking down the rules of the oath keepers. Well, Jack Mclam tries to read all of them, and Alex keeps like going, ah, great, great, great, love it. And then they go to commercial, and Alex is like, I want you to read those all again, but I'm going to editorialize.

So after each one, we'll talk about it. Okay. And so after each one, he's like, oh yeah, oh yeah, we need that. That's already happening. We need that. We need to stop that. People take a gun grabbing.

You know, like... Yeah, we've got to stop that. That sort of thing. And so he gets really, really excited about these 10 rules of the oath keepers. It makes me think that he's going full on oath keepers. He's going to head that direction. You know, these guys never talk about the beatitudes. Like, they're never in the 10 rules.

There's never, like, treat others the way you want to be treated. There's none of that stuff. It's always like, if you have the chance, shoot him all the fucker. You know what I'm saying? That's all I'm saying. If you got the chance. Sure. Now, just because I needed a little bit of another thing to look into,

I decided to check into Jack Mclam a little bit. I know that we've talked about him in the past, but I don't know. I don't know how much we've talked about. I know we haven't talked about this. I found a video that he put out of his radio show that he used to do. He is now dead. But he put out a good...

This episode of his radio show called Was Hitler Upon, which interestingly relates back to a bunch of stuff Alex was talking about earlier. Here's the quote from that video. Can't you just let Hitler be evil? Can't you just let that one go? You can't because... Just let it go! You can't because you're beholden to all of these basically Nazi adjacent

anti-communist propagandists. Propagandists. Yeah, I suppose sooner or later you're going to have to run into the problem of if all of the guys that I like are telling the truth, that means Hitler can't be a bad guy. I mean, think about it. Like Alex, one of his biggest intelligence sources in very heavy quotes about the Bilderberg group was Jim Tucker, who wrote for the spotlight,

which was the publication put out by the Liberty Lobby in Willis Carto, specifically in order to turn public opinion against Jews. Alex has this great grand worldview about World War II revisionism that goes on to this day in the CFR and all this shit that's based on a misuse of Carol Quigley's work by W. Cleon Scousen that was published and promoted by the Liberty Lobby, that was put together by Willis Carto, who wanted to demonize Jews. And all of that ends up being mixed into a big bouillabaisse that ends up... It's alphabet soup that ends up saying Hitler was pretty cool on top.

That's basically what it ends up being. And if that is your worldview, and has been since, you were too young to understand what you were reading, and you have a family that is probably a little bit crazy and John Birchie, then that's going to be like that. Alex has never had the crisis of political identity. He's had this stupid worldview since he was 12. He's like someone who's walked around and never had to question actually what he believes,

because he decided that when he was 10, reading these dumb books, and instead of being challenged by the experiences that he has in the world, he gets defensive about them and yells at people in order to be like, no, I'm going to vociferously defend my opinion as opposed to considering the possibility, maybe I'm wrong on this one. You just, I just wish that we lived in a world where if you started digging into your philosophy, and you eventually hit defend Hitler as your bedrock, you would stop there and be like, oh, if I'm defending Hitler,

maybe I should dig myself out of this hole. But with these guys, there's just no bottom. There's just no bottom. They just keep digging into, yeah, I'll defend Hitler. What else we got? Keep going down this hole. Well, that's part of the mentality, because if everything is a conspiracy and nothing is what you thought it is, then nothing is off the table.

Yeah, you can defend Hitler. It's all conspiracy. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't do it. Sure. Sure. Yeah. So.

He's a good guy. He was Hitler upon. That's the video. No, but okay. That's the video that was put out by this Jack McLean. Here's a quote from it. Quote, was Hitler upon? This is fascinating, folks.

No, it's not. I wanted to share this with you because it's by one of my favorite Jews. Nope. One of my favorite Jews in the world. Don't say it like that. And twice. Don't say it like that. One of my favorite Jews in the world, Henry Macau.

Now, Jordan, Henry Macau is a noted lunatic and conspiracy theorist, but it's also worth pointing out that he invented the board game Skruples. Really? That's weird. 01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:57,920 What? Amongst... See what?

Yeah, I don't know. All right. Everybody's got side dates. Wait, the board game Skruples was invented by a lunatic neo-Nazi Jewish Holocaust revisionist? That is a weird thing to know. Amongst some of Macau's more fun theories, he said that the Beatles were an Illuminati plot to normalize drug use and promiscuity. Interestingly.

That might be true, actually. Interestingly, on that promiscuity note, he wrote a book in 2000 called A Long Way to Go for a Date. And I will read to you the blurb of the book from Amazon. Quote, In the Philippines, Henry Macau, 48, discovered a tropical paradise where women are still traditional and the husband is the head of the household. A long way to go for a date is Macau's candid and ironic account of his courtship

and marriage to a young Filipina. Yep, nothing like an uplifting story of a near 50-year-old man flying to Southeast Asia to marry an 18-year-old. I mean, against all of my better judgment, this dude is a wackadoo cat and I like wackadoo cats, man. I can't help it. No, this is the bad kind of wackadoo. No, it's awful.

He's evil. It's like, but he's just, sure, fine. So the reviews on his book are pretty fun, but there's one that I liked a bit that I want to read to you. Quote, I also recommend reading this book to anyone who finds themselves sympathetic to Macau's views on his website. It's the perfect antidote because it's painfully obvious now that the problem Macau has with

the world is actually Macau. I understand people are lonely, I do, but this was a foray into the socially unacceptable. There's nothing wrong with an intercultural marriage or, indeed, traditional roles, but the combination of poverty, a 30-year age gap, and a three-week courtship is a bridge too far. That's a good review. Yeah, that's a good one. No. Anyway, Macau, in addition to being a creep, believes that the Illuminati is behind feminism,

homosexuality, and killing JFK, Lincoln, and James Garfield because they were getting that itch to print real money and overthrow the Illuminati's control of the money. He also believes that it was the Jews that were to blame for the Holocaust, and he's Jack McClam's favorite Jew. I just don't want to, historically, it's a bad idea to be somebody's favorite Jew, if that person is a white nationalist. A lot of the argument McClam tries to lay out in this Holocaust-denying video of his is based on the misuse of a headline from a 1941 publication, quote, I was Hitler's boss,

written anonymously at the time, but we now know it was written by Captain Carl Mayer. Jack presents this as proof that there was someone, as he's sure to point out, that Mayer is Jewish, who was pulling Hitler's strings in the Holocaust. The problem is that Mayer was only Hitler's immediate supervisor between 1919 and 1920, when Hitler was a general staff officer. This is a good year before he would become Fuhrer of the Nazi Party, and 13 years before he would become Chancellor of Germany. Fun fact, in 1933, when Nazis came to power, Mayer fled to France,

where he worked with anti-Nazi efforts. In 1941, he was hunted down by the Gestapo and thrown into Buchenwald concentration camp, where he was murdered. Interestingly, if you do read the article, I was Hitler's boss, you see some striking parallels with a situation that's evolving 77 years later, quote, the leaders knew that to please the majority, a minority must suffer, and so the German Jews were made the chief scapegoats, because their destruction would gain millions of votes for the Nazis.

Small shopkeepers hated Jews because they owned the chain stores, farmers wished their destruction because they were indebted to Jewish banks, even intellectuals were jealous because Jews held lucrative positions in the arts and sciences and professions. The Nazi salesmen offered anything and everything to make the people warm-minded. Their sales talk was Germany is a have not country, other nations have all the wealth, Germany must fight them successfully, and so be entitled to that wealth. The patriotic slogan, everything for Germany was nothing more than salesmanship.

No one cared in the least what would happen to the rest of Germany, so long as the result would be a restoration of the good old days. The further argument laid out in the piece is that Hitler was kind of a moody idiot, and that Becker, when mayor was a supervisor, he found him to be a bit incompetent. This doesn't prove in any way that there's a Jewish cabal pulling his strings, and in fact the article ends with mayor laying out exactly what he's talking about. He's arguing that Hermann Göring is the real brains of the operation, and that Hitler was the charismatic frontman, salesman that they needed,

which is a far leap from Jack McClam's arguments and where he ends up taking it. But you see some shocking parallels to our world. Oh, so the government wasn't, was like a team effort to be evil in Germany? Yeah, you can't just have one guy doing that. So not necessarily a shadowy cabal controlling him so much as a president with advisors. Right, I mean when Bush was in office, everyone called Karl Rove Bush's brain. Like I mean, if you think for one second that the idea that people have influence in sway over the even a dictator, and you think that's weird, you're crazy.

Yeah, that's ridiculous. You're a childish fool if you believe that. And I mean, you know, I don't know, I don't know what else to say other than we have an account, 1941, this guy very clearly explaining how the Nazis ended up solidifying a lot of their control. Right, they demonized a small group of people and kept people warm-minded like they were saying that there's going to be a civil war. There's going to be a civil war, there's an invasion, there's an immigrant invasion,

there's a caravan coming. If we don't stop that caravan, we're going to need to send in the army. We should always send in the army. Oh, and at the same time, let's take the LGBT community and just basically try and erase their identity from being a real thing. Yeah, in order to win over the majority, a minority has to suffer. And it almost doesn't even matter which one suffers. Now, the difference here they were seeing is that the majority is going to suffer

in order for the minority to solidify their power. Yeah. So that's going to be fun. Anyway. Hooray! It's weird to answer the question. Chronically, the rise of the Nazi party in real time. Like, isn't that surprising?

And seeing like, when I saw this, I think you can understand now why this episode was a little bit difficult because we have this historical revision of Hitler being a Patsy and set up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then completely unrelated to that, we have this Jack McClam guy who clearly is a Holocaust denier and believes that. Right. You see so much of this. And there's little things that I didn't expect to run into.

I mean, this guy, this Henry Macau, going to the Philippines to get a lady. That's kind of weird. And the review is kind of a fun, kind of a fun distraction, maybe not so fun for that lady. But like reading this, I was Hitler's boss. I didn't expect to read this. I didn't expect in reading it, I'd find stuff that was a stark parallel to what we see unfolding in front of us. It's very difficult to see this and to see it all from nine years ago being very much

spiritually what Alex was into. And now we see the cruelty and the sort of the mask coming off in many ways. And it makes you wonder how much of that was already there. How much, like, you know, it's hard to say how much he's changed or anything like that. But you know, you do have to ask yourself at a certain point, was he just having more fun back then and not as beaked out on his own supplements? Is there a chance that that's really the only fundamental change that's happened? That and a couple of these policies that we've, you know...

Right, right, right. You know, net neutrality being in favor of Palestinians. But even then, we see a guy clearly admiring a fascist dictatorship. And part of being part of a fascist dictatorship as you, in the, of what, ruling party, is going along with whatever it is the ruling party says. You know, you read the rise of Stalinism and you see the complete destruction of reality even for people within the inner circle, you know. Whatever ideals you started out with are then subsumed by whatever insanity...

That's true even in a best case. Yeah, exactly. So there's a chance that he already just had those inclinations and maybe they were latent and they didn't come to the surface until... Until he got the fascist dictator that he needed to jump on board with. Yeah, maybe it was one of those situations where you have, you have a gene that isn't expressed until the right stimulus, something like that. Yeah, I don't know, it's, it's weird.

And that's why this was really difficult, you know. There's a lot of reading and it was also just difficult to figure out like, how does this work? What does this say? And I don't know, I don't have a full conclusion other than to say like, our opinion of him is constantly evolving. Yeah. And we can guarantee 100% now that if Alex was around in the rise of Nazi Germany,

he would be a Nazi wholeheartedly. He would have been one of those guys giving a speech. Yeah, he really loved that shit. He had his own line of armbands he was selling. Ooh, those would have been really good for you. Probably, probably. Deep Earth Iodarm Band. Impregnated with iodine.

Yeah. To give you that iodine patch. To give you that real hatred of the Jews you need to wake up in the morning. Yeah, that's tough. Anyway, Alex Jones's worldview is largely and entirely run by anti-communist propagandists from the, you know, 40s and 50s, 60s, even into the 70s. All of that is where he gets all of his beliefs from. And it's unfortunate, but it is a reality that most of those people have deep roots to Nazis.

Yeah. So does that make Alex a Nazi? You decide. Anyway, we have a website. The answer is yes. Don't, don't decide. The answer is yes. But don't take my word for it.

Don't take it. No, no, no. Double check all of your flows. Sure. Absolutely. Anyway, we have a website, knowledgefight.com. Uh, yeah, you can find us on a social media network. Yeah, we're there.

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Any hoosal. Um, look, I don't know if Alex is a Nazi. I don't know, but I do know one thing. What do you know? I do know that technically he probably killed a dude. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller.

I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.