Knowledge Fight - #223: A Progressive Space Diplomat

Episode Date: October 31, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan take a break from talking about Alex Jones to take a much needed Project Camelot break. On this episode, the gents discuss a difficult interview that Sweary Kerry did with a guy who liberated Mars back in the 1970's. Also, Dan found an album Kerry recorded a few years back, and Jordan thinks it slaps.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to celebrate Halloween. Oh, no! What did you just do? By drinking novelty beverages and talking about Halloween.

What did you just do? About Alex Jones. Do you know a lot about Halloween? I know so little about Halloween. I know nothing about Halloween on account of when I was born. My family was in a cult and they wouldn't allow me to celebrate it. It was of the devil. Yeah, my partner is, she's dressing up for Halloween.

She's going to school dressed up and she's got a Halloween party and she's going to do the whole thing. You should make it clear. She's a teacher. She is a teacher. She's not in high school. No, no, no. That's true. Yeah, yeah.

Raised eyebrow. My parents were real religious as we've discussed too, but thankfully that was one that they gave a miss to. They gave that one a pass. They didn't like me and my brother dressing up in sort of evil-ish or like gory costumes at all, but they still, they were like, go get some candy. Enjoy it.

Yeah. So that was nice. It seemed simple. Yeah, yeah. You go get candy. Why are we, why are we throwing it? My parents live, my parents live like the Satanic Panic era just never ended. Just like, we're still, they're, kiss you.

Did you just listen to kiss dance? See, that sounds more like my uncle who is a psychologist who wrote a couple books about multiple personality disorder. Ah, yes. I believed that all multiple personality disorder was caused by ritualistic Satanic abuse and the only cure, Jesus. Prove a negative. Prove that's not true.

Right. Nuts, wild stuff. So that's what I know about Halloween. That's what I know about Halloween. So this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. And today, as is our tradition a lot of the time. I mean, it's, it's a holiday.

So that's number one. And number two, it's the middle of the week. So it's time for wacky Wednesday. God damn it. If we don't need a wacky Wednesday, so fucking bad. Dan, Dan, we need a wacky Wednesday. So bad. No, as I was going to be a wacky Wednesday as I was going

over this, I was like, we need something fucking fun because it has been a straw. It's been awful. Dark. It is dark. The last week, whether it's been in the present day or even in the past, like we're still hitting on, even when we're back in 2009, still hitting on some very relevant things about

excusing white terrorism, which we've definitively proven never happened. So we can all just move on. So a lot of stuff that's still very, very, well, while it's still like within the, you know, the, the conversation of this show, it's still a chore to unpack. It still takes, it takes a lot out of you. Emotional toll is astronomical.

And I imagine the same is true for our audience. And so what we have to do whenever we get into those modes is we have to take a step back and pay a visit to Kerry Cassidy and the world of Project Camelot. Hell yeah, we do. They, for those of you who haven't heard our Project Camelot episodes, it's a YouTube channel where a lady named Kerry gets together with some of her weird space friends and they tell

her stories about space. Some of them are not space friends. Some of them just own a telescope. That's true. But he's still space adjacent. He's space. He's space. There's also a lot of weird stuff on there that we just don't

cover about like, like she just did a recent two part video series about Christine Basley Ford and God. No, I imagine it's all just about the same stuff. Alex was talking about, about it being mind control operations and stuff like that. But I'm like, I give a pass to those videos. I'm like, I'm not going to watch this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So Jordan, today I want to tell you this. This episode probably took more work than most Alex Jones episodes. All right. Those like Alex Jones episodes involve a lot of research. They've involved a lot of my time. This episode took me so many listening to so many episodes of Project Camelot and being like, no, this is not the right

one. Okay. This was, this was a browsing in the cereal aisle episode. Yeah. I got, I got an email recently from a listener who wanted us to go over a super soldier episode that came out recently. Right. Right.

All right. And that listener, Kurt Russell. The episode, the super soldier that she had on recently was someone named Penny L.A. Shepard and I listened to it. I'm like, Oh, this is pretty wild stuff. This is some, some nonsense. And I started looking into the Miss Shepard. It's all true.

No, it made me really sad. The pictures started to come together of a woman whose family put her in a home and. Oh, no. And so as is our, like our policy basically with Project Camelot episodes is like, it's all good and well until we're making fun of somebody who seems like they're actually struggling.

Oh. And so when I listened to that, it's, you know, it's a good couple hours of my life now. And I'm like, we can't go over this. Yeah. Yeah. It would just be two hours of us making fun of someone who's mentally ill.

Right. And that's not, that's not what we're here to do. We're here to talk about funny space. Yeah. And if you want to do that, make your own show about us. That's, it's not hard to make fun of us and we're mentally ill. Absolutely. Yeah.

Go for it. Enjoy. Yeah. We can even, we can even give you a little, give you a little plug on this show. These, uh, mago weirdos haven't done a show where they do to us what we do to Alex Jones. Oh, it's strange.

It's almost as though because you accurately research and source everything. It's tough. Yeah. So I went through a number of other episodes and I was like, fuck, you need to find, we need to find the goods. And so finally I'm scrolling through and I find an episode about a guy named Captain Jay.

I like a captain when it comes to, when it comes to a, a, a, a, a, a, uh, a, if you got a captain. I'm in. Yep. Absolutely. That's, that's number one. If you have an official title, your goal, your good is gold, my friend.

And then second, he had information about Mars and I'm like, well, we got to know about more. We need, we need to know more about Mars. I mean, yeah, it's a, it's a red planet. It's roughly similar in size to earth. That's all you need to know, right? Yes. And another thing you need to know is that this episode came

out years ago. It was just after she started interviewing Mark Richards. So she's in a little bit of a different state of mind. All right. And I will say that these are the sort of people that she was willing to interview back then. Okay. So she's less stridently, uh, confident in that everything

she knows from Mark Richards is correct and is more in a very receptive stage. I wouldn't say that. Okay. I would say that she is less full of herself. All right. She has less of a, um, uh, the, I think that, uh, Mark Richards and his blustery, uh, sociopath behavior.

Kind of rubbed off on it. Maybe a little bit. And now when she gets in the room with like a, an eddy page or that guy with the telescope, she's able to let's, it's always important to remember that one of our episodes was about a guy who had a telescope, worked at a bus station. I will never remember his name. So no, he had a telescope.

What else is there to know? That's what's important. So, uh, but like she'll be able to get into room with one of these guys and she'll be able to mold their narrative to help fit hers or patently just reject it. Yeah. Whereas back then when, when she's talking to Captain J, I think that she has more of a like, all right, I'll let this

guy speak, whatever. Uh-huh. Like let's see what we can get out of this. And then it leads to stuff like this out of context drop from today's show. I appreciate this information and, and, and you coming forward. However, you can, you can also appreciate from my point of view that this does sound rather outlandish, right?

Ooh. See, I was about to say that based on your description, this was going to harken back to an earlier time when I believed Kerry to be the most credulous woman on the planet. And instead you just played the, I get what you're saying. Yeah. But you know how this is bullshit? It sounds like bullshit too.

I'm suggesting that back then she had more of an operation going where it's like, well, we wasted an hour talking, but, uh, nah, still going to put this out though. I think there's something like that going on. It'd be like if every one of our episodes, we just end with like, yeah, I'm going to pass on this one. And it's just, I think modern day Kerry would have taken Captain J when he came in and like, hear the things that she's saying

that she has deemed outlandish and been like, well, from the information I've got, maybe it's possible that blah, blah, blah. Right. Mark Richards has told me that it's Y or Z is the case and try and get him to be like, you know, now that you mentioned it. Yes. Absolutely. Right, right, right.

Whereas back then she's like, you know that this is pretty absurd. Uh, excuse me, sir. Have you considered going and fucking yourself because what? What? All right. This was a great hour talking with you. We're going to let you go. And I'll say, I agree with her.

This is absurd. Okay. But, um, wait on project Camelot, it's outlandish. I believe is the way she put it. And I agree. Um, I teased on the last episode that we got a song to play. Yes. And I don't know you have been bothering me with how excited

you are about this song for four days. Should we do it now? Of course we should do it now. All right. That, that leads my instincts to say that we should wait, uh, but I'm not that cruel. So I will go ahead and play it. Uh, guys in doing some research in, uh, fiddling around, looking

at the project Camelot world, I found that back in 2014, Gary Cassidy made an album. What? No, do not tell me this information. Gary Cassidy made an album called, uh, Rebel Jean, I believe is the name of it. Is it on Spotify? I don't know if it's on Spotify.

Um, but what, what does she play? Right. Don't think that she plays anything. She doesn't play anything. I don't think so. She's spoken wordy. Is she singing? She's the charismatic front woman.

Okay. And, uh, here is like Karen. Oh, here is a little. Is she Karen? Oh, she's not. Okay. Here is a little taste of, uh, the track, uh, Rebel Jean. Disclosure, rating parties, humans are abducted permanently off the surface of

Earth. I need to pause for a second. I kind of like it. I need to pause for a second just to say that the song is called Space Command. Well, yeah, it's from the album Rebel Jean. Okay. Hold on. If you were watching the fourth matrix movie and they played that and

they underground, uh, it would be distracted. Yeah. No, no, no. It would be to be perfect. And have many uses to visiting races. First of all, as a food source with a reps and grace and maybe others. Allies slaves for building things serving various races trading. Why am I arguing with the song?

Study as in scientific study. Earth is a desirable vacation spot. Access to minerals, precious stones, topside use of land. So is she hypnotizing us? Underground bases jumping off point to other systems. Okay. And to meditate programs, human females. Is this a Jay Dilla track?

Is that what's going on? No, never mind. This type of energy is highly prized in the multiverse. It puts humans on the level with other ET races. They don't appreciate that. Who doesn't? They. Okay.

So that's the sample that we have of Space Command. Legitimately, that could be an early, early thievery corporation track. Like that really doesn't sound that terrible. Early. Early. I'm not saying this is their later more evolved stuff or their even later more shitty stuff. I went and found like the samples of the other songs on the album and

they're on par. But some of them have a little bit more of a reggae feel. Can I listen to a reggae track? I don't want to, I don't want to play. Oh, come on. Maybe later in the show. We can't just turn this into a music podcast. Okay.

But, you know, that was, that's definitely the stand out. The Space Command. That's, that's a gold standard. That's a fucking delight. Yeah. Really, that is, that is, that really does make me happy in a lot of ways. What I told you earlier that it was still going to blow your mind even though you knew something was coming.

I had never, never would have guessed that. Still satisfies like a Snickers. So good. Um, so let's jump in here. Carrie, as we open every episode with Project Camelot, Carrie says her name, but things go slightly differently almost immediately in this introduction. Hi everyone. This is Carrie Cassidy.

Hi, Carrie. I'm a lot. Um, I am now going live and we have Captain Jay is the moniker he wishes to use here with us today. And this is a very impromptu setup. We are, um, going to put this onto YouTube after the fact and, uh, so Captain Jay, um, there's no actually, um, let me move this out of the way. Uh, okay.

There's no clear cut way to ascertain whether or not you have actually been to Mars and part of the Mars program. Uh, so I want people to understand that from the beginning. Disagree. So there are plenty of ways to ascertain that. There are so many ways to ascertain that. I go. There are like a million different ways to ascertain that.

But in, in test for test for Mars remnants test, see if there was any, uh, astronaut astronomical movement around the time when he says he was supposed to have left earth and gone to Mars. Ask him for specifics. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Easiest one. Oh no, that one would help.

Yeah. Um, so ask him what he breathed. I love the idea that Carrie is giving that disclaimer at the beginning of the show, because that means she doesn't know what the fuck is coming. She is worried that this is going to be crazy. And so she's like, look, we're doing this interview. I have no idea what to tell you, but we can't prove this is true. No shit.

You can't prove anything is true. We can't even prove this guy is going to show up. We don't even know he's a captain. How long has she been doing the show at this point? This is like probably three years ago. I mean, I don't fucking know. She's it the beginning date of her show on YouTube and her investigations and stuff like that.

It's kind of nebulous. So she's doing it. I think that she's been on YouTube for like six or seven years. Okay. It's an interview series. And this is like three years ago. So this is like 2013. All right.

So she's just 2014, 2015. So she's just finding her sea legs. Right. Right. Okay. I probably just recorded that space. Come on. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That'll, that'll take a little bit out of anybody. You'll put you out of sorts for a while. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. So what you need to know is that this interview is happening very soon after the interview

with space super soldier Randy Kramer, the guy who we did our first episode about. Yes. The guy who woke up in his bed at 18 and claim to whatever. Travel back in time, but it was at space time and a lot of time travel, a lot of space battles. That's why you can't various alien races and children on Mars. The solar protection unit or whatever got to protect them. Solars.

So Randy Kramer had come out and done his interview on Project Camelot fairly recently before this, which is relevant because he goes by the name Captain K. This guy is chosen. So they're full on. I actually wrote down the moment. She said captain is like men in black J and K. You literally wrote that down. I literally wrote that down.

I don't think that they're nest. He's necessarily trying to make that connection, but it is being made. What he is doing is he's trying to say, well, first of all, my initial is J. Yeah. So there's that. Okay. And then second, J comes before K in the alphabet and I came before Randy Kramer in space.

He's going to say that so many fucking he's so petty about it. That is the pettiest thing. Yeah. And not even that just like, okay, fine. So wait a second. Then that means that you specifically, however, chose your name in order to make it look like you were before this guy. Well, because he was, he's older and he's made, he makes the argument that like I

was around 20 years before he was up there in space. Right. Well, then you could have called yourself Captain A. Why did you choose the one letter before that? Come on. His name is J. Come on. Anyway, that's a lack of imagination that I don't appreciate in my super shoulder.

He's got plenty coming up. Okay. Don't worry about it. Good, good, good. So in this next clip, he does express that no one paid attention to him trying to talk about space weirdness and then Randy Kramer came along and he's like, ah, here we go. So welcome and please introduce yourself. Okay.

I'm using the name Captain J because it is my first initial and also it's the letter before K sounds like a super soldier. Captain K come online. That's Randy Kramer. He called himself Captain K. I thought, well, there it is. You know, here's my opportunity. I've been waiting 20 years.

I'm trying to put stuff up online. It's, you know, seven, eight years ago and just, you know, connect to the wife. I like to, uh, to get part, but once Randy appeared, right? I realized that this is what we've been waiting for. You know, I'm sorry. So yeah, you know, he's, uh, he's saying basically no one was listening to me before. Randy Kramer showed up. He's like, got a strike while the iron's hot.

Yeah, for sure. This is when I can get in as the guy who came before him. Yeah. Even though I'm very, quite literally by any and all definitions, the guy who came after him, we, we can, you know, you can see that this is like opportunism, uh, just personified, just demonstrated. He's, uh, he's like, okay, no one's listening now. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to get in while the super soldier drugs make

you sound like an accountant. I don't think that's, um, if it is, it's a side effect. They probably wish to get rid of. Yeah. It doesn't sound very like if I was going to, and I'm not, listen, I'm against the military industrial complex, right? But if I was going to create a race of super soldiers, I would want maybe an imposing voice, maybe at the very least, uh, you know, I'm a very nasal tenor.

I would prefer a thick base. It's nice. It's nice to have this voice. But I'll also, no, that's perfect. I'll also say that you need to, you couldn't super soldier with that voice though. You need to pump the brakes because you're assuming first of all that this guy is a super soldier, he's a captain. Well, that doesn't mean shit.

He's not really a captain. You're assuming he's a super soldier. You're assuming that the government did something to him. All of these things may be erroneous assumptions. Now I know that you're making those assumptions because he's comparing himself to Randy Kramer, who is a super soldier and have the government do that. That's kind of what I was jumping from. It turns out he's not a super soldier at all.

Oh, okay. He's an accountant. And his story is convoluted as fuck. I will do my best to pull the strings in order to untangle this thing. But I have this not Gordian Dan. I say to you now, I have no confidence in my ability to make this make sense. Okay. But I will do my best and I will upfuscate you at every possible.

Absolutely. That's the game plan in this next clip. Captain Jay goes on to explain some of the credentials he has, some of the organizations he was involved in, and then Kerry asks him a very basic question and it almost ruins the entire interview. So right off the bat, starting in the 1950s, as a child, I was put into the program for various programs and we were Navy at that time. We did a lot of test missions, jets and whatnot.

So I was Navy and Marines at that time. I'm sure they'll back that up if they ever get around to actually that mattering. Then we went into the CPIA, well-known MK Ultra program all the way through that. He heard that one before. We just did a lot of... Let me go all the way through that program. He graduated. It's a space program.

He became Ultra. I already call a rover myself and another suit model for people. Okay, I'm going to slow you down right there because you're actually saying a few things here that the people will be slightly confused with. So you're saying you're Navy and Marines. Can you elaborate how do you go from one organization to another? Good point. Well, originally, maybe people have forgotten this.

There wasn't a real space program involving rockets. We just had the Navy sending up jets. Not an answer. It reached the edge of the atmosphere and other space. Well, that's... Okay, give me a year. Give me a year. Somewhere in the mid-50s, mid-60s, you know, mid-50s through until 1963,

when the first Mars probe went up, which was actually a small manned rocket. So we're getting into a lot of stuff that has been not admitted to, if you will. I will. I mean, I guess I will. We have to accept that if we're going to go any further. But man, that's an inability to give any specifics. It's like, why are you in the Navy and the Marines at the same time? Well, back then, we didn't have rockets.

We didn't have rockets. And then there were jets flying around. Not an answer as to why you were in multiple arms of the service. Give me a year, Dan. Well, mid-50s through 63. All right. So all those years? I guess so.

What about now? Well, the sky. All right. He's got... I am loving a man whose backstory invalidates him immediately. I have a lot of trouble with this sort of project Camelot episode. That's something you just doesn't even know anything about the branches of military. Or years is tough because you should be able to...

I can't judge a man for not knowing years. I do not know years. You would, if you sat and thought about them though, probably. You'd be able to put together like... Oh, if I were in a secret space program? Yes, absolutely. Number one, if you were in a secret space program, I'd probably have the timeline. I would definitely know that information.

But even about your life where there's some sort of ambiguity about when things happened, if you were going to go do an interview specifically about those things, you'd be able to sit down ahead of time and be like, well, that happened right around the same time as X, Y, or Z. It happened before this event in my life. So I know it was before that. Right. And you'd be able to prepare yourself with specific information should that question come up.

The fact that he hasn't done that means this guy might be making a lot of shit up. I just love the confidence of a guy who just has no idea what he's talking about. He's a confidence man. And it's literally just like, if I just say things stridently and powerfully, people will just believe me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fantastic. And this is one of the...

Like I was saying, this type of Project Camelot... Wait, no, hold on. I don't love that confidence. It's destroying the world. There we go. Now I got it. This type of Project Camelot episode is kind of a challenge for me, because we have a guy using an alias, Captain Jay.

Yeah. How am I supposed to find out anything about who this fucking person actually is? Well, it is his original initial. Well, sure. That doesn't help. Also, I believe his name is just Jay. It probably is. I think that's probably right.

Probably. Yeah, but we have like a Simpsons episode. We have like Mark Richards. I can look into that. We can talk about his whole murdery past. We have Randy Kramer. I can at least find more information about him to flash out the picture with Captain Jay. I got nothing.

I just have his word to go on. So don't... Easy, easy, easy research path to go down. No. Just find anyone who has been in both the Marines and the Navy. Well, he's... There can't be a ton of those guys. He's on video.

So I do know what he looks like. Okay. But... Is it an accountant? No. Okay. Probably not. But look, dude.

So he was in the Navy, the Marines. He was in the CIA. He went all the way through MK Altra, whatever that means. Yeah, he went all the way through it. From the mid-50s to 1963, he's involved in something or other, unspecific. When there are jets, not rockets. No rockets, jets. Now...

Does he not even know when rockets were invented? Unimportant. Because they were invented way before the mid-50s. One time he did see October Sky. Oh, okay. He did see that movie one time. All right. Jake Gyllenhaal's best work.

In this next clip. Why do I know he was in that? So... Wasn't he in that? I think he was. Okay. None of those things that we've already talked about bear any relevance to this next clip because he's going to jump forward to the 70s to talk about something

else that I believe he's in safer ground. Well, I think that there's more, like, Kerry's not great at like nailing him down on details, but I think most of the story he's going to tell for the rest of this has to do with stuff in the 70s. Okay. So all that stuff about him being in the Navy and the Marines and the CIA and MK Altra in the 50s through 63. I don't think...

Wipe it out. I don't think it's that important. It's just to demonstrate how blurry his backstory is. Gotcha. So anyway, we go to the 70s. So you went... You were part of a small group. How big was the group?

All right. In the 70s when we went up, it was a... We were called Alpha Tim. I believe there was Delta Tim, but I'm not 100% sure who they were. I do know who they are. God damn you. And I received an email from him this morning saying, Omega.

Oh, hey. I wanted to help. And there was five of us and the pilot. Okay. But I thought you said you went up in the 50s. Well, in the 50s, we did test missions in jets and in rockets, but we did not go to Mars until 1963-ish, at which time we did one quick orbit in a little ship that was... Everyone was told it was a probe, but there was actually two young adults in there.

Me and the same pilot who flew us up there in the 70s. And all we did was orbit once and come straight back because there was a teaming civilization evident on the surface. Whoa. So... Whoa. In 1963, there was a... There's a teaming civilization and you're only going to go around once?

Let's just look at it. What? Give it a second go. Maybe take another couple of pictures. Maybe just double check that there's a teaming civilization. Defying all laws of physics and the technology we had available to us in 1963. They made it to Mars, documented, seeing a teaming civilization and didn't think, let's find out more.

They said, let's go home. Quick question, Dan. How long would it take you to get to Mars? Real long time. How much would you say they had invested in, say, 1963 in life support? Listen, I don't care about that part. Oh, okay. I will say that I know that based on his story, he is a child at the time.

So... It takes... Young adults at the time, Dan. No. No. He was a young adult. Hold on to that. Okay.

I will say that it takes longer to get to Mars than he was old at the time. So that is a problem. Unless we've always had light speed travel technology or some shit. Right. And I'm not, I'm not super interested in that. So, Jordan. Yes, yeah, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan. I need to lead you towards the most important thing.

I'm sorry. I'm getting bogged down in all of these ridiculous details. One of the problems is I don't know a lot about physics. And I don't know how far planets are away. Exactly. I have a sense that I don't know exactly. It's a jaunt. Mars is a jaunt.

Jupiter is a bit of a long walk. Sure. Sure. And then Pluto... That's a grippy years away. Oh, man. A grip. It would take at least a fortnight's fortnight to get there.

Undoubtedly. So, one of the things that I find most interesting about this interview, and one of the reasons why I'm very excited to talk about it, is it introduces us to so many new alien races. Okay. So, I'm way in. Mark Richards brought us the Raptors. I've been getting bored. We, we, we, we, we, we peaked at spider leadership.

We had spider leadership in the mix. We got Raptors. We got Reptoids. Of course. Simon Parks has brought us the Mantid Beings. Graze. The Graze are always, they're always around. Although, I will say, this gentleman, Captain Jay, has a very different take on the Graze.

Okay. Which is probably why Kerry says that this is ludicrous nonsense. Okay. Of course. We have the Pleiadians. We have, like I already said, Raptors. We have... Didn't we have Beetle Beings at one point?

Beetle Beings were in Vietnam. Pretty sure we had Beetle Beings in Vietnam. Yeah. There's a lot of aliens. But we get a bunch of new ones. Dracos. Draco. That's wrapped up with reptilians.

But you're right. Yes. They are in the mix. Thank you. So, we get, we get a host of them. We get a bevy. And it starts to be introduced in this next clip. And then, subsequent to that, what happened?

Like, in other words, you said you went in the 70s, but between, say, 63 and 70, any other trips? Well, that's when everything happened. Okay. Right now, we have to talk about... But no trips. ...as opposed to genocins of this solar system, which I would, you know, even if there's and it's the centipedes and humanoids and other strange creatures on Mars. They're still what I would consider locals.

However, the silver-flying saucers of legend just never went away as far as we were concerned. Okay. So now, if you're not following exactly what Captain Jay has just said, is that if you go to Mars, you will find ant beings, centipedes. Centipede beings. But they're not really aliens. Because there are neighbors. They're locals.

Yeah, they're locals. They're part of this whole thing. But there are silver-flying crafts of legend that have always been around and they are not locals. They are not locals. So this is the world that we are now interjecting ourselves into. This is the basic setup that is super important. You know what I do like about this, though, is that this guy is thinking locally. You know, everybody else has been talking about interstellar beings for such a long time

and still including all of these guys who are hanging out in our solar system as being xenophobic. Like, these guys, he, at the very least, this guy, is progressive. These aren't illegal immigrants. They are neighbors, Dan. There is an element of it that is that that makes me feel very uncomfortable. But at the same time, you hear it and you're like, all right, all right. Hey, they're from Mars. Mars is just a skip away.

Come on. Cool with centipedes being just like us. I love it. I love it. I know you're speaking in metaphors today. Okay. That's like, he's like somebody who's like, listen, Indiana's still part of America, guys. Let's not pretend that we need to close off our border.

So Jordan, we do that. I told you that it would be wrong to assume that Captain J is a space soldier so much. Right. And one of the things that I think you need to know is that he's more of a space diplomat. Okay. But also that doesn't make sense. And he's a pilot. No, he's not.

We're going to get into that later. Okay. Captain should not be taken literally. Okay. Never mind. It's an honorary title. Kerry does literally ask him in one of the later clips. What are you a captain of?

You're the pilot, right? He's like, oh, good God, no, we'll get to that here in a few, but he's a hero. Okay. He's a space hero. He should have opened with that. Well, he wanted to, soft introductions. You know, you don't want to come out and be like, I am the most important person in all of space. Unless you're Mark Richards.

Right. But he, he, he goes ahead and leads with that. Captain J a little more modest, a little more humble. Good. But now we get to how he liberated Mars. Whoa, he liberated all of us is key to everything. We finally managed to identify what these silver flying saucers were. So real quick, he liberated the silver fish.

They were actually just solar flying saucers. Yeah. These evil ones of legend. They were able to figure out what they are. He freed them. He freed Mars from them. Who was piloting them, where they were going and what they were doing. Now, just to keep it short.

During those same years, another alien race is one from outside of our solar system showed up and made contact with us. This will be the graves or I guess you could call them the graves. Well, because of them showing up, we were able to finally go up to Mars as an organized civilized, unarmed group of people and meet with all of the species on Mars and the two alien races, the silver saucer aliens, which I believe people are calling plateians. Oh, probably completely wrong. We are not from the ladies and the grace.

So we really had this meeting set up by virtue of a second alien race showing up in our solar system and saying, this isn't right. You've had these powerful alien creatures here in their silver flying saucer for all these millennia and they have been exploiting the earth and exploiting Mars. And it's time for that to stop because these people down here on earth are civilized. They have evolved science and arts. And so they were able to put a stop to a large degree to the activities of the silver flying saucers in the solar system.

And in order to make that a reality, they assisted us in going up and meeting with most of the alien races and all of the species on Mars, you know, for three or four days and just pretty much what you do the sort sort things out on Mars. This was the great sort things out is what you did years. You just sorted things. They're finally free from the silver flying saucers, which are a powerful insect race, a powerful trisexual insect race that has been here since the beginning of our. That means they'll try anything.

You know what I'm saying, Dan? They swing. That means they'll try anything. Sue. That was a lot of talking. I assume he means like there are more than two genders. Yes. Not.

Yes. He means there's three. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And we'll get to those in a little bit that that's a tease of things to come. He does not explain that in the time being, but so what we learn here is that, you know, the grays have facilitated this meeting of the minds of all of these races, including

our own with the like the Pleiadians. What we believe are Pleiadians, which people call the Pleiadians. They are not Pleiadians. Silver saucer, evil insect aliens. Exactly. And terrorizing the galaxy forever. Of course. So he is expressing.

When did Ender's game come out? I'm not sure. But he's expressing the exact opposite worldview that Carrie and all of her people subscribe to, which is that the grays are evil reptilian minions that come around and kidnap people. Right. And the Pleiadians are the bringers of truth who come down. Which? We're starting to get a sense of why this guy has only been on once.

Well, following my previous argument that if Mark Richards is evil, the people he allies with must be evil, meaning the people that he calls evil are in fact the good ones. And this guy is calling the people he calls good evil. And he's calling the people he calls evil good. I support Captain J. Well, I mean, he liberated Mars. He liberated Mars. By sorting it out.

Over three or four days, who keeps track? What do you want him to bring back the minutes? Real light on the details of sorting it out. He didn't even bother with like treaty or anything like that. Just like, hey, we figured out what everybody wanted. We all got what we wanted. We all went home. We all had a good attack.

And let me say, when he finally does give a little more detail about it, it's even more hilariously absurd. So, you know, we have our, we have our take on this so far about liberating Mars. Here's what Carrie thinks at this point of the interview. Okay. Okay. So now I'm going to have to back up here and ask you about what you just talked about because it's, it's a little bit convoluted and it's, it's not clear.

Yeah. Yeah. It is a little convoluted. Yeah. Yeah. So she wants him to get back to basics. She wants to talk about like where did this, like where did your awareness come from? She wants to go back to before he liberated Mars because I think she realizes this is

going to be, this is going to be an uphill battle. Yeah. Yeah. This one's going to be trying to sort this out. Might take us. Talk to me about the beginnings. Let's start. Let's start.

How did the centipede beings evolve on Mars? A notoriously inhospitable place. Plays. That's just good response. Yeah. You have. We now have rapport. You have foolish human science.

Okay. So she wants to know a little bit about more of the backstory and she asks him about that and you know, the Pleiadians are evil here. Well, I don't think he ever explains that and he scoffs every time he calls them the Pleiadians because he's, he's insinuating without verbalizing it that it's a prank being played on people like Carrie. See, that's offensive because a few years later we living in the present know that Carrie is a Pleiadian.

Well, at least Eddie Page thinks that she is. So here is a little anecdote from earlier days for Captain Jay and this ends. I blurt laughed at the end of this clip when I was listening back to it. I myself was up and the thing, I was very high in the atmosphere and the thing pulled in within 50 yards and it was bruised along and I managed to get a very clear view of the pilot, which was very large insect lifeforms and I came down and debriefed and there's certainly no reason for me to lie and they believed and suspected all along that we had insect lifeforms or what we see is insect.

All right, but in essence, so you're saying you were a pilot during that time? Absolutely not. I never learned to fly. I've been up in jets with other people piloting and when I was a child, which is why I don't want to talk a lot about the early missions, it's very illegal and some of the stuff that was done. So, okay. So hold on.

You saw. Yeah. Okay. You were a passenger. Indeed. On one of these jets. Ask me anything you want to know, Dan, because I understand all of this perfectly. You saw it being piloted by a giant insect.

Exactly. But you don't want to talk about it too much because you guys broke child labor laws. It's illegal for a child to work this hard in a space plane. I love the idea that he's like, wow, hold on. That breaks. That breaks child labor laws. I want to talk about that. You weirdo.

Why didn't they send up the Olsen twins then? You could get away with that shit if you got twins. That makes your budget lower. It almost, I mean, I don't, but it almost makes me believe him. The fact that he draws that kind of a weird line, you know, like, obviously child labor laws aren't in play. You're making all this up, but the fact that you stop yourself, I don't want to talk about that because I was a child and it's illegal to make me worse.

This guy is coming from a bad place of inaccurate information, but I like where his ideals are going so far. One, did he say he's fighting in a space battle? Nope. No. You just sorted shit out. Sorted shit out. Two, are there, are these people aliens?

No, they're in our solar system. They're our fucking neighbors. Be cool. Yep. Three, should children have to work? No. Nope. There we go.

I like this dude. You know what? It is interesting. He might be the craziest, but most reasonable person who's ever been on Project M1. I can metaphorically stand behind what he is representing. Yeah, I know. Obviously, the idea that he went and sorted it out is like, no, we don't need laser guns. We don't need to fight.

We don't need laser guns. We can just talk to each other. Amazing. We didn't need to do any recon. We just needed to find out that they were there. We went around once, we came back, we told everybody what was up, and then we went back and sorted it out. Sorted it out, whatever that means.

So Cary seems to, like, I mean, obviously, this guy has already said that he was Navy and the Marines and CIA. And so Cary wants to- And he made it all the way through the MKUltra program. That is true. Well, he actually did his graduate degree at the time. Summa Cum Laude from MKUltra. So Cary, having talked to Randy Kramer, knows that Randy Kramer has an imaginary military

liaison, a sponsor who is there telling him this is okay for you to talk about, all that stuff. Just to know if Captain J has a similar situation. Well, in our pre-discussions, you mentioned, for example, that Randy Kramer, who came forward as Captain K, he has a person behind the scenes who, in a certain sense, was backing him, who was a military officer. You told me that you had somebody behind the scenes like that as well. Lauren Michaels.

Well, if you're the people from my time, since I was a child in the program, most of the people from the 50s or early 60s are deceased. Real quick, that's a reasonable thing to say. This isn't the end of his answer, but I want to just say that, like, what you just witnessed there, like, whenever someone asks you a direct question and your answer is, well, that usually means you're just making shit up. So when I heard that, I was like, hmm, it's a bad wow. You know, or just no longer available to talk.

So the only, no, I don't have a personal sponsor. I would just say that the Navy and the CIA have records of these activities. What about the Marine Corps? When it comes down to having to prove this to anybody, which I doubt will happen, those records will be there, or if those organizations are approached, they will say, yeah, he was involved. Oh, yeah. That sounds, that sounds, man, this guy is an idealist.

This guy is really believe in good things. I like him real glass half full kind of guy. He's like, you know what, they would love to release this information, but nobody's asked. If there's anything we know about the military industrial complex, transparency is their business. Right. If anybody comes in, it's like, Hey, was Captain Jay involved in that thing? Oh, yeah, he was. He won't see some Mars.

Wait, wait, wait, that Captain Jay, he was the one who sorted all that shit out on Mars for us. Oh, that dude's fucking great, man. So you should know that you should see what we did to him in the UK ultra program. Holy shit. Captain Jay is not playing fast and loose here. There is proof that he did all this stuff. Well, I believe you.

This is like this clip makes me laugh so hard because he explains the proof and where you can find it. Any of the stuff that I say about Mars, I will be very careful only to impart information that I know there are records of up there on Mars and other places that can be verified. Okay. All right, buddy. I freed Mars. There's proof of it, which is on Mars.

Everything you need to know, there are records. You only have to go to Mars to get them. I love that strategy. Totally awesome. It's the same strategy that a lot of these conspiracy theorists use about like the idea of like all the proof of everything that I'm saying is in a bunker deep under the Vatican. Just get under, get into this secret maybe existing Vatican bunker. The Earth is flat and there are underground people.

Don't worry about it. Go down there if you want to prove shit. Right, right. I'm not here for that. It's the same thing with the Akashic records that people talk about. These like these records of all of humanity that only exist in the astral realm that you can access and stuff like that. Yeah, there's a lot of that's a bummer.

Yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff. I don't like that. It's fun though. It's fun to think about. It's not fun to rely like base your life on that's that's where it or or evidence. That's where it gets murky. Yeah, that's bad. That's how you can kind of generally tell when someone's a con man when they're like,

I can prove everything. Just go to Mars. It's not that easy. I mean, it's not that hard. I've been there a bunch of times. Oh man, I wish that didn't work. Break into the Vatican. Really wish that didn't work.

There's all the proof you need. Now please buy my shirts or whatever. Did you hear that Trump just issued an executive order releasing all of the Mars documents to the public? Everyone knew that's what he was going to do. Yeah, that's why the Deep State hates him. It's fine. They're so scared of him.

Jacob Wohl's been working on it with him all this time. That's why they smeared him today. That's why everyone was dunking on on him on Twitter because they're afraid of the Mars documents coming out. I today is a day to remember both the good and the bad of the media. The good is they correctly sussed out this problem. The bad is they immediately reported with no research whatsoever that Trump was going to issue an executive order banning birthright citizenship, which if you report that like

Trump says he'll sign executive order banning birthright citizenship, just print like Trump signs executive order saying he can fly. You're not making any sense. That doesn't happen. Don't do it. It's weird to see both things on the same. Yeah. It's very strange, but it seems like a modern.

Yeah. Like your your biggest fuck up and your biggest asset are simultaneously happening. Yeah. And that's fair, but you're bringing reality into this and this is no place for reality. Sorry, I apologize. We're in we're in the the forbidden zone. Yeah. We're okay.

We're learning about space and we do not need to bring. Good point. Media bullshit into this. Where is this dude? We've got a lot of shit that needs sorting out here, huh? That conversation is for Friday. Today we're in space. So in this next clip, Captain Jay very clearly expresses that he does not think that the gray

aliens are bad, which he's already insinuated, but it gets much more in depth here. They're misunderstood. I was sleeping one night. I woke up. I got out into a field for no apparent reason and was drawn up. Maybe a hundred feet or so. Not very far. And there was a bunch of gritties or humanoids seeming like different types.

In this pack and they just informed me that you folks from earth are going up in the near future, you folks will come and go with you. And we're just going to sort out the whole issue. So I assume that what is happening is that the energy light creatures that we were seeing so many times were some form of probe or forward, you know, a monitoring servicer. It's like you got here in person, which you would know if you were in the Marines or the Navy and set up this meeting on Mars in the 70s. And that's okay.

But you, okay. So first of all, you're saying you're part of sort of a military cross agency, you know, intelligence agency effort, assuming you were trained by them. Yeah. And now you're saying that the way you got to the meeting was through this interaction with the grace that abducted you. I don't understand what your question is. It did not abduct anybody.

They just came along, told us what was happening, took about 20 minutes, took me back down a few days later, a few days later, we got in our little ship and now flew up there along with, I suppose, we were short branched with grace, which is, just keep it simple. And of course, the Silver Sauce Aliens were there. And a very complex series of events went down. And I've spent six or eight hours just detailing what happened when we first got off the ship on Mars and started meeting with the locals, went underground, Matt

I guess you would say to me in older insect life forms there, had tour of Mars and a whole bunch of stuff happened. Too much to go into now. Sure. Okay. But it was a long tour. By the so-called grace, it was set up and made possible by them. We went up in our own ship, escorted by them.

It just seemed like there was no trouble going anywhere or doing anything. Once these creatures were there to help us. I see. All right. So the grays are good. They have come down and chosen Captain J for whatever reason and taken him up and been like, Hey, we need you to come up and be there while we sort things out with these Silver Saucer Aliens.

I don't know what it was, but him describing his whole not an abduction experience as being like, No, they just took us up. They were like, you folks are going to help us out later. So check that out. It's very blasé. Took about 20 minutes. I don't know what the 20 minutes part is that makes it so funny. It took 20 minutes.

Well, it's that that's either too little or too long. Well, it's such a dismissive detail. Like it's specific. But at the same time, it's kind of like, Yeah, no big deal. 20 minutes. It's like you're talking about a work meeting. Like it was kind of a new since we had a quick, we had a quick 20 minute meeting. No big deal.

Disrupted. 10 years later, we sorted shit out. It's all good. Not sure why I needed to wake up for that because it got me during the day. But hey, you know, 20 minutes. No big deal. I came back down, went to bed, everything was fine. 20 minutes.

Very weird. I love that detail. It's great. Just 20 minutes. It's great. So in this next clip, she wants to know, Carrie wants to know has Captain Jay talked to Captain Kay. Oh, that's a good question.

Have you been in touch with Randy Kramer about your testimony? Not personally, but I remember him or I remember the whole project. And I remember him specifically because he was so unique. And he was just the guy, the right guy. He was the guy who threw down his gun and walked up to the ants, right? Just as, you know, he's the guy to talk out of that whole crew. If there is one, I don't think anybody selected him. I just think he more or less emerged.

And to me, that was the biggest relief I've had in the last 20, 30 years is finally here's somebody breaking the ice. Maybe I can tell what happened before that. So he's just using things from Randy Kramer's interview. Right, right, right. I remember that. I remember him. Which is fun.

I never met him, but I remember because I listened to the interview that he did. Legend told of this guy who threw down his gun and talked to the ant beings. But later in the interview, he'll go on to talk about how like Randy Kramer was existing in this world that was like a simulated fighting thing that was going on that wasn't even real or something like that. Ooh, I like that angle. But also it doesn't make sense because it still has something to do with the silver craft beings. Yeah.

The simulated fight zone still has something to do with the nefarious silver craft beings. But according to his story, they had already sorted it out by then. No, no, no, no. That makes perfect sense. The reason, no, no, no, no. The reason they sorted it out is because they ran all these complex combat situations and they realized that this wasn't going to go well. So why even bother fighting whenever you know that the circumstance is going to wind up being

you just sort it out anyways. So you might as well just fucking sort it out. I'm giving you the knob because Randy Kramer's situation would have been 10 years after that. But Randy Kramer went back in time. No, no, no. Still that was after this. And especially according to Captain J, it would have to have been after that. He makes that so clear over and over again.

I came before. So if he sorted it out with all the nefarious beings, then why is there this need for this simulated fight zone? It makes no sense. As a Doctor Who fan, I will tell you that's timey, whimey business, Dan. It further makes no sense. The idea that they have worked it out and banished these silver craft beings from the universe that were meddling with the earth and Mars, all the people who were doing all

this really negative stuff, they sorted that out in the 70s. And there's been no substantive difference in the world from the 70s onward in terms of like some massive change that everything is better now. You know? Oh, yeah. No, everything got worse, actually. Maybe we need those fucking silver beings back. Kerry's right.

That could be it. Shit. Shit. Fuck. No matter where we go, we can never figure out where to land on the good, evil alignments of these aliens. I mean, the way he's dealing with time, though, like it could have been the mid 50s, could have been the mid 60s.

He could be wrong. Could be 1968. Could be 1974. Could have been the DNC. On their way out, they killed everybody, all the reformers on it. That's possible. Maybe. That's possible.

Or maybe those silver craft beings were the ones who were protecting Martin Luther King, RFK. No. They were retreated. These motherfucking silver beings, because of this asshole sorting shit out. Now we got that dead Martin Luther King Jr. You never know. That's fucked up.

I got to say, you never know. Anyway, in this next clip, Kerry wants to know if Captain J has ever been to the moon. And his answer is cagey. What? Did you ever go to the moon just curious? You know, I have trouble with that. I really do. Because I know that the moon is, actually, I'd like not to talk about the moon at this point.

Me too. Until it's got a white history too. I don't clearly remember standing on it, but I remember the astronauts being up there. And one of them was going a bit nuts and saying, look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Well, he was seeing something. You saw the moon.

He was seeing the moon while he was on the moon for the first time. That's, of course, you would go, look at that. Look at that. You're on the fucking moon. Not proof of aliens at all. What? No. You're on the moon.

Look at that. We're on the fucking moon. Do you know what would happen if I went to the moon, Dan? I'd say, look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Because I'm on the fucking moon. You'd probably pass out.

Or you'd be like, you'd be overtaken with wonderment. Like, it would be so crazy that like the idea of like, oh my god, look at that. That is not proof of aliens. That is proof of exactly what you're saying. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's a moon. Yeah. Isn't that kind of, it is kind of funny to listen to those recordings.

00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,440 Oh my god. I'm the first person to stand on something that is not the earth. Right. But listen to the recordings of a Neil Armstrong and shit. And you're like, that's what you have to say. You're not like, holy fucking shit. We're on the goddamn moon.

Well, I think that's a lot of the training. I think a lot of, probably. Some of the training was for like zero gravity type stuff. Some of it was physical training. And then I'm sure days of it were like, cool. Chill out. Keep your cool. Don't be, it's, look, you're on the moon.

You're going to make NASA look bad. If you breathe super heavy, you're probably going to die. Also, we don't want that on the recording. If you turn your textbook to chapter four, the title of that chapter is act like you've been there. Because it will play better later. Actually, I disagree. I think one of the reasons so many people think the moon landing at stage is because if they had just acted like human beings and been like, what the fuck?

We're on the moon. Are you shitting me? Everybody be like, yeah, yeah. No, that's how I would react. You got to also consider that it was in the 60s and the standards of decorum didn't allow that kind of expression, those outbursts. And those guys hadn't even graduated the MK ultra program. No, but adults behaved in different ways back then.

You wouldn't have like, you know, stern. So in this next clip, Jordan, I think you might be getting the sense. This is one of my favorite clips. Yeah, I can tell. Jordan, I can't set up this clip. I can tell I have tried. I'm trying really hard and all I need you to know is don't talk over this.

It's going to take you on a journey. All right. And then the second thing about we're on a hero's journey now. I wouldn't call it heroic, but then the second thing about it is like, I have such a fundamental problem with the very idea of what he's expressing. Okay. Then I'll explain on the other side. All right.

All right. I would hear it. But they're well aware that you cannot be exposed to the population of their bang. It's too much. It has to happen in stages. So we first saw a human, a strange looking human. Then we saw some incredible ancient artifacts that suggested things that like giant eggs and giant lizards and giant insects.

Real quick, I just need to make clear because the last he was talking, he was saying that he didn't know if he'd ever stepped foot on the moon. We're back to Mars now. He's talking specifically about being on Mars. It was just carving. Then we went to the edge of the crater and it was a huge blast crater over a block across. And on the other side of the crater, which went down maybe 200 feet of the middle of were veritous life forms.

Humans, apes, monkeys, big ones, and humaninoids, different types, ants, giant centipedes. Now you're seeing this at a distance and it's like never seen anything like it in your life. A couple of people just had to just sit right down or hyperventilating and gasping for breath, right? The rest of us just stood there like, oh boy, you know, that's indescribable. But that's step two of exposure that they know, you know, that if you just walked up to that right in your face, it would be too much.

And in fact, the next step, we went back into a tunnel and we ran into an Easter Island humanoid, maybe 10 or 11 feet tall, totally different species, very dark black, very city, just great cool Easter Island guy with the head, just like the Easter Island. So now we have a new alien race to consider Easter Island people. Do you remember, do you remember the critic, how they're worth? Yes, yes, I do. I do remember specifically, I do remember when they went to the UN school and there was the kid who had the Easter Island head.

Yes, of course I remember that. I will never forget that. Those are real people. That's all I think about now. Yeah, absolutely. You went to Mars. But they're supposed to be like that. Like the Easter Island carvings are actually giant.

They go deep underground. Yeah, you go deep underground and they're like actual giant carvings. Yeah, yeah. So he's just saying that those giant carvings were just like folk. I guess so, yes. I mean, this is a fun way to incorporate that piece of sort of, I don't know, what do you call it? Weirdo world. So what I don't-

There's an obsession with Easter Island, which is understandable. Because it's a nice funny mystery. It's inexplainable, yeah. It's not totally unexplainable. But it is a piece of that. So it's interesting to see him be the one who brings that in. Like, we're up on Mars. Yeah, I met some Easter Island head aliens.

Here's my question though. Why is it that step three is Easter Island folk? I'm not sure if that was even one of the steps. And step two, no, no, no. I wrote down the steps. Step two was on the other side of the crater, there were apes. Right. There were monkeys.

Right. Big ones. Right. And the first step is the insinuation. Yes, yeah. There were strange human artifacts. There were giant humans. There were humanoids.

Then you saw giant ants. And then giant centipedes. Why is it that the next step is Easter Island folk? And wouldn't the next step be the centipede step? I would be fine with giant Easter Island people. I'd look at that and I'd be like, holy shit, that's crazy. But a giant centipede, fuck that. It would throw me for a loop to see the Easter Island guy.

Is that what it would do? But centipede is further. Centipede is further, right? I think you got the steps wrong. See, I, when I heard that clip. He's misremembering. When I heard that clip, and I might be wrong on this, but I thought that like this meeting the Easter Island guy

wasn't a step. It was incidental. He thought it was an incident. I thought it was something that like we did these first two steps and then we wandered through this tunnel and we found an Easter Island man. That's kind of what I thought. So we were walking through the tunnel and then I like,

I felt something bump against my shoulder and I was like, hey, sorry. And then it turned out to be a 20 foot tall Easter Island man. I thought that might be what he was saying. I'm not entirely sure. But here's my problem with the whole thing. What's your problem with the whole thing? So the idea that like when you go to Mars,

you have to be slowly acclimated to alien existence or else you're going to freak out. He had been taken into a ship by the grays already at that point. He'd been flying around in a ship when he was a child. Yeah, but it was only 20 minutes. But he saw a giant. It was only 20 minutes.

He was flying around in a ship as a child and he saw a giant insect flying a jet. Yeah, but nothing prepares you for a giant Easter Island man. Strongly disagree. He was acclimated from the jump. There's literally no reason for them to play this game of like, oh, dip your toe in the water is fine. He doesn't even give a timetable for this.

He kind of sounds like this whole thing has taken a couple hours. Like they're walking and they're like, hey, check out these artifacts. No, it takes about 20 minutes. Everything takes about 20 minutes. Yeah. And it's somewhere between 1950 and 1900,000 to 10.

So I told you that he's liberated Mars. He sorted it out. Captain J sorted out liberating Mars. Yes. Because they were being, I guess, terrorized by the Silver Saucer aliens that we're out and about. That sounds good. Up to this point, I would say that both of those issues

have been pretty, it's opaque. You can't see through the glass. We see through a glass darkly, Dan, and only the Lord. Well, et cetera. However you want to go with that. In that case, this next clip is the work of the Lord. Because it helps us see about both Liberation Day on Mars and who these Silvercraft aliens are.

Now I'd like to know, when you say this is Liberation Day, what do you mean exactly? Silver Saucers leaving our system. Their fund has been spoiled by the Greys and their other humanoid races that have come here and said, no, these earth people are civilized. You've been exploiting them for thousands of years, pretty much having their way.

We didn't land on Plymouth's Mars. Plymouth's Mars landed on us. Let's talk about that later. The cataclysm was caused by them. Mars was a beautiful planet, much like Earth. It died. It took a harder hit than we did after us. It was covered with beautiful cells.

The housing crisis was a big problem. And it just was a real gem, and they nearly destroyed it too. Okay. In short, our planet destroys. All right. So, but you're calling them Silver Saucers. And the beings driving those saucers, you said were ants.

Is that correct? Incorrect. They are trisexual, unique ancient rays from somewhere back towards Galactic Central, where there is one hell of a lot of radiation and a lot of gravity. They are incredibly powerful. They are trisexual, and each creature is different.

They have a giant wasp. What you could call a giant water bear would be the male. And the third member of the highly telepathic trisexual union is a giant serpent. It's like a snake-like creature, 30 to 48 long. They're all warm-blooded, highly, highly evolved, have a million-year history. Does that?

And they're the only creatures that had a powerful flying saucer with highly weaponry weapons. I don't understand how they, what do they fly it with? For many thousands of years. So, they have opposable thumbs? No, they fly with their minds, probably. So, it's a trisexual group of warm-blooded snakes. Wasps and water bears.

So, does he, is being warm-blooded like? Water bears are like those mites. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. They're microscopic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. I love the idea of an actual scientist talking, like, to him.

No, no, no, like, anytime you hear somebody with that thick southern accent, you're never not going to, like, just lower their, your estimation of their intelligence. Which is bigger. Which is implicitly biased. Yeah, yeah, absolutely biased. But at the same time, if you heard Einstein just being like,

yeah, man, there's a shit ton of relativity going on there. It's down in that galactic center, hell, if I know. Like. Matter is basically energy. Boy, how do I tell you what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like, okay, oh, your math is good. But you gotta not talk like that. So.

That's what you're getting from this? There's a whole hell of a lot of radiation in that galactic center. Well, you better believe there. I tell you what, there's so much radiation down there. I'm sorry, I stopped listening. See, that's the thing. I stopped listening whenever you say something stupid, like. There's a whole grid of radiation down in galactic central.

It's back in the galactic central, where there's a whole hell of a lot of radiation. But that's probably true. Like, okay. Foghorn, leghorn. Don't even start with snake beings or whatever it is. Listen. No, no, no, no, I don't disagree with him.

There is a whole hell of a lot of radiation in the galactic center. Wherever that may be. But well, there's a super massive back hole. Black hole. That's not what he's talking about. He's talking about galactic central as being like home base. Oh, he's talking about that. I thought he meant almost certain.

I thought he meant the center of the galaxy. I think that is an interpretation. Okay. I apologize. I apologize. I don't know. I don't know that to be the case. I'm just going on context clues.

I think he's talking about it as home base. Just home base? That's the vibe. Why do they have so much radiation? Because there's radiation everywhere. Yeah, but they've got a whole hell of a lot of it, Dan. Sure. In different parts of the galaxy,

there are varying rates of radiation. So wherever. On that, we can agree. What he's talking about is the place they come from. There's a lot more of it than is normal. And they are a trisexual race. Again, that's really not what he's trying to say. I don't think.

No. Also, I want to just try and explain what he's talking about. So he defines the females as the wasps. Okay. The males as the water bears. Right. And then the third gender, which he doesn't really explain or detail at all as being the 40 foot snakes.

Yeah. They're the telepathic snakes. Yeah. I don't understand what you have trouble with here. I don't understand how procreation works. I don't. Well, they have three genders. Right.

Right. So the females are the wasps. Right. The males are the water bears. Sure. And then the third gender is the snakes. Doesn't answer my question. I don't understand where your question goes.

Doesn't answer the question. I don't understand what you're. Certainly. I just explained it. I just explained it. Certainly not. So they've got three genders. Right.

You just keep repeating it if you want. I don't, I don't understand how a wasp and a water bear mate. I don't understand the role of the snake. I don't understand this. I don't know. Okay. Here we go. I don't understand based on our conception of genders.

I guess. You're living in a non-binary gender world, Dan. And what you need to be living in is, is a trisexual gender world where there are water bears and wasps and snakes. I'm cool. That's, uh, you know, I am cool.

I am, I am above the, uh, the dichotomy of genders. No, this is, I'm not above it, but I understand it. I'm very open minded. You are so bigoted. I'm very open minded. Hey, I mean, what do you, what are you gonna say next? What are they?

How did dudes have sex? Did they just push their dicks together? Dan, this is so offensive. That's, that's certainly not where I'm coming from. This is so offensive, Dan. I'm coming from a place of these are analogues of different species on earth. Right.

I don't get how a wasp mates with a water bear. What is their offspring? Is it either a wasp or a water bear or a snake? I don't know. How is that possible? If a wasp and a water bear mate and a snake comes out. Now, don't get that. Now, let me ask you a question.

Here's what you're not, this is the problem with this whole situation, right? Kerry doesn't know enough. Why are you thinking and assuming that they mate when they're in their fully adult forms? That's a great question. See? Yeah.

Look, they, at a younger larval stage, maybe they mate, they cross pollinate, and then they, as they grow, they become one of them. They become either a wasp or a water bear or a snake. I don't, I don't think that those three things could come from the same. No, no, no. It's like, it's like when you're,

it's like when you're starting out in Skyrim, right? You know how you can draw the face? I do know that, yes. One of the, you got three options. There you go. Everybody starts out like in Skyrim on this planet. Okay. So mating for this alien silver saucer race

is basically like starting a video. Yeah, exactly. Okay. It's a character. Glad we, glad we solved it. Glad we found something reasonable to land on, as opposed to complete bizarre nonsense. And the reason why I,

the reason why this sticks in my, my crawl like this, is that like these aren't gender expressions, you know, in the same way as like, you know, across the spectrum of gender expression and identity that humans experience. Yes. We're all still humans. Yes.

With this, there's wasps, water bears, and snakes. Right. Which are all, one of them is an insect. Yes. One of them is a microorganism. Right. And the other is a reptile. Right.

Those are very different species. Now, here's the actual, You understand, you understand why it's not, it's, it's very different from- No, I get that. But in the world of sci-fi, that actually makes way more sense. Please walk me through this, Asimov. The reason being, the reason being is that

when we discuss aliens, every bias we have towards aliens is, well, if we ever get in contact with aliens, they're going to be essentially us, but different. We can't genuinely conceive of something that is actually alien, because it's so far outside of our experience. Right.

It makes more sense for them to be water bears, wasps, and snakes out in the middle of fucking space bullshit than it does for them to just be like, two dudes who look like us, but they're a little bit wacky. Which is what Carrie likes. Yeah, exactly.

She likes the Pleiadians who are- Which again, is a lack of imagination on so many of these con men's part. I will never not go back to the example of Elron Hubbard being like, super intelligent space beings flew B-52 bombers. You know, like there's a, there's a lack of imagination that this guy,

who I am starting to love, Dan, All right. is capable of reaching that they're not. All right, fair enough. I still think it's ludicrous. It is absolutely ludicrous, and I hate it, but come on man, this is good stuff.

So in this next clip, we talk about the nature of liberation day. You know, so he frees Mars by going up and sorting things out. Yeah. Most of the time, whenever we have these people who come on Carrie's show,

they talk about space battles, and they're stolen space valor, going on all over the place. Right. And what's super interesting about Captain Jay's narrative is, as we've already sort of talked about, there's no fighting involved.

No. There's not even. He's a space pacifist. He's a space a fist. There's not even really an exertion of force. There's no threats or anything like that. And listen to the language. Just good people working shit out, man.

Listen to the language that he uses in this next clip. Okay. Before we go any further, let me give you this. All right. Here we go. The water bear,

wasp, snake, triumvirate. Right. Trisexual. Now, they evolved separately on a planet where there were millions of different species. Okay. And as time went on,

all of these species began going through this process of extinction. And only these three species recognized that they needed to survive. And because of the way that they were reproducing didn't make any sense, they decided to come together. They created a genetic recombinator.

And then every time they want to reproduce, what they all do is put a little bit of their own DNA into the genetic recombinator and whatever comes out comes out. Problem solved. Fine. Done. In this next clip.

Sorry. You hit my sci-fi nerd boner. In the next clip, we find out about what happened on Liberation Day. Yes. And it's disappointing. No.

Can you tell me, you said that they were made to leave. How were they made to leave by our, are you talking about our military? Are you talking about our military working with other races? Oh, yes. How were they persuaded to leave?

Our military had nothing to do with it, ever. The Greys came here. I hate to say Pleiadians. The Saucer aliens are not something you could destroy. They are too powerful. All you can do is throw a big punch. They are highly intelligent. Estimated IQ at 500.

That's so what does that mean? Any of the other insect races. They can control the ants and the centipedes and anything else. Any insect life form, absolutely and utterly and did so on the earth and on Mars and in the solar system. So the Greys, so to speak,

or this whatever else, any different humanoid types. You got a text, Kerry? Could not destroy them, but they could sure spoil their fun. And make it just, no, you can't be on the earth anymore. We can fly around with you.

We can stop you from doing this. We can stop you from taking him and being the same. Once that happened, they're no longer interested. They are combative and gladiatorial, to a high degree. They're dicks. They will not stay somewhere where they can't have absolute dominion.

So the last we saw of them, it ended up, there was, I believe, 30 saucers in total in this solar system. Originally in ancient times, there was only one. The last we saw of them, they were headed for the Pleiades after gathering up some fuel and so forth. They headed for the Pleiades.

Now it's going to go down. Because they didn't want to stay here if they couldn't have a planet, effectively a wild planet, where they could dominate all the life form. All to themselves. But by your own admission regarding them, they could. Yeah, yeah.

There's a real fundamental issue here with like they are overpowered to excessive degree. They can control psionically all of these other alien races. Yeah, they can do anything and everything they want. They were the only race in our solar system with weaponized ships. But you just go up there and have a little chat. And then you've spoiled their fun.

You can't be doing this. You can't conquer them, but you can spoil their fun. He keeps saying spoil their fun. You can't spoil their fun. And I'm like, I don't get it. What do you tell? Would you you scold them and they leave?

Yeah. What kind of universe do we live in? Hey, get out of here. All right, legitimate. You got us. What? Like you can't do that with humans. Are you going to do that with silver craft aliens?

Dan, what's what is an estimated IQ of 500 mean? I don't think it means anything. I don't think it means anything. That's a failure of imagination. That's a failure of imagination. No, because I mean IQ. Well, those tests are actually biased towards the grace. Yeah.

No, no, towards white people. They're IQ tests have a implicit cultural bias. So the idea that someone has a 500 IQ just means that they are super white. They're the whitest thing that's ever existed. I mean, what is the maximum IQ? Isn't it? I mean, like, I don't know.

Who gives a shit? The point being, that's a failure of imagination. It's an artificial standard of intelligence, first of all. Yep. And then second of all, in terms of like the actual scale, it doesn't go above like 200, right? No, I think it does. Don't people just talk about like the greatest genius

as being like 170 something or so? Yeah, the problem there is one. Like getting a Mensa, you could be over 120 or something? Mensa is actually a scam. You should read up on it. Well, look, look. So the point, the point being. Scam or not, it has their standard.

Who tested them? Oh, that's true. That's a good question. Probably never going to find the answer to that one. No, we're probably never going to figure that one out. No, just. It was actually, that was what spoiled their fun. Could be.

They took the test and they're like, oh, we're going to have to take tests all the time now. Christ, we're going to go to the Pleiades. We're gladiators who just want to dominate. We don't want to take tests. Going to another galaxy. It also makes them seem like they just like pranks. It doesn't like.

It does seem like. When you use the language of like they, their fun was spoiled. It really doesn't make it seem like they're eating people or anything. Right. It just seems like they're maybe putting banana peels around for people to fall over on.

Then again, if you are that super powered, it does kind of make sense that you would get bored to the point where you're just like, hey, let's fuck around with these people for a while. Like what other explanation is there for the shit that people ascribe to God? Like he's an overpowered being. He just, yeah, he does whatever he wants and he gets bored.

Everybody gets bored. Perhaps. Hurricanes are just God's pranks, Dan. So Captain Jay goes to Mars and he goes through the acclimation process where he sees. Easter Island folk. Sure. That's a part of it.

And then he goes deep underground and he finds some ants. And these ants have a certain way of communicating with him. Right. It involves a helmet and is very bizarre. Right. Right. So when did Ender's game come out, Dan? This is incredibly bizarre.

Because it was before this. I'm sure. That said, the way he explains this is so bizarre. And I love on one level, but also think he does not answer any questions on another level. I'll talk briefly about telepathy or the silent ability. Then we're taking it down. Right away into some rooms and they said, look, we're going

to give you the history of Mars and of Earth and of this solar system and all the information that we have. Cool. So that you'll know what you're dealing with here. Right. The pictures are leaving. We want you to show you what's been going on. I agree.

Ten thousand years. And so the first serious scionic indication that I had was just you were getting, you know, we didn't, this wasn't done by the aunts themselves, which are just a bit too strong to be in their direct presence and do things with them when you've only been there a half an hour. You know what I mean? So we know.

No, I don't know what you mean. Into a cave and you put on a helmet. Okay. Now this attaches to their stored telepathic sonic memories and they have records going back to the beginning. And that's why I'm not afraid to come out with any of this information at all because. Put the fucking helmet on for yourself, huh?

So the first thing I was shown, I put on this helmet and they said, okay, you're going back and you're going to do 15 years. You know, impressed of the life of Jason. I believe that was the name that I understood it. A human being on the earth immediately after the great cataclysm, which almost destroyed the earth. This will take just over an hour. What was that?

You will get 15 years. Now you don't obviously get the whole 15 years. You get significant events and then it blends into the next one and then you're ahead two years and another year. And it's sort of a beautifully done melding together of 15 years of this man's life on the just post cataclysm earth. And in these telepathic sonic memories, you are the character. It's so good that you are actually looking out through

the eyes of the character. This to me seems like something like a melding of that Albert Brooks movie defending your life. Oh yeah, that's a great one. That HP Lovecraft story shadow out of time. Right. Don't forget the Matrix's little color out of time. Like throw like kung fu in your brain in two seconds,

like that whole thing too. Yep. Is he smacking his lips the entire time? Yeah, he is. That's really throwing me off. It's distracting. It's really bumming me out. Yeah, I know.

I don't like a guy who smacks his lips. You've turned on him. Oh no, I'm against him. The idea of this is like, okay, so these ants, they have this technology where you put the helmet on and then you get to see everything that they want to tell you. The helmet specifically designed for a human head, despite the fact that up until now, they have never needed a,

I mean, humanoid heads are probably pretty similar. You know, you got to assume there's other races with similar craniums. Oh, so it's like a baseball cap that can like expand or, you know, they've got the snaps in there. Or yeah, or it's like some sort of flex fiber. You know, who knows. Okay, that works.

Leave that. That part is case closed on that one. Figure that one out. Okay. How dare you bring that. I apologize. I just wanted, I was just interested. So you put on this flexi helmet and then you get to see

all this history that they want to show you. Now the problem that I have is that he only saw 15 years of one person's memories and not all of them, just major events that blur together. He was kind of shitting on their technology. Maybe a little bit, but then also the idea that it was after the cataclysm on earth and he never specifies what that means.

Which one? There were a bunch. Right, right. There were a bunch of cataclysms on earth. The only thing that I would guess it means, and I'm only guessing because he never spells this out, is that it's anti-silver saucer alien propaganda to some extent. Okay, I buy that.

It's trying to say that like back, like Noah's flood or whatever was caused by these aliens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you, like he gets to put this helmet on and then he experiences the life of someone who died in that flood. But he sees the aliens who caused it or something like that. I don't fucking know. I'm stretching real hard to try.

No, I'm really not following him at all on this one. I've been, I've been gung ho this whole while, but this one, I'm gonna have to say this doesn't make any sense, Dan. Also, I want more than 15 years history. I want more than one person's perspective. If we're imagining- And I definitely don't want one person's perspective over 15 years, but actually it's like a few moments melded together.

Fuck off. If we're like just, you know, spitballing and imagining alien technology, why not have the matrix version where it's like I know kung fu? Yeah. Like why not? Just like, why does it have to take an hour for you to get 15 years? How lame is this? Wait, he did say it took about an hour, didn't he?

What? Why? How lame is this? It's, it's psionic. It should be. It should be as fast as the brain functions. You would think. Oh man.

You would think. This is like the- This is a guy with an imagination that has a governor. You know, like it's stopping him from going full speed, but he's, he's running, but he just can't run fast enough. No, the, the thing about science fiction is you can't break your own rules. Do you know what I mean? Like when you're writing a science fiction,

sure you've got faster than light travel or whatever, but that has to be like a rule. Yeah. And if you break that, then you're fucking around. You know, whatever rules you establish in your fake science fiction universe are fine as long as you adhere to those the same way that we're supposed to believe you. Yeah. So I, I, I thumbs down.

Okay. Thumbs down to this guy, Dan. Captain Jay. You've been on a roller coaster with Captain Jay. I love him. Now you dislike him. Dude, I don't know. We'll see how this goes.

I will say that Kerry is on board with you and disliking him. And part of it is because he is portraying these silver saucer evil aliens as these supposed Pleiadians. And in this next clip, he says some disparaging things about the, Oh no. about the Pleiadians that Kerry cannot be happy about. The answer on the other creatures can psionically communicate with you. If they're in the room with you or can see you,

but they can't go into great fantastic detail and show you long involved stories. You have to put on a helmet to do that. However, silver saucer, so-called Pleiadian races. If you're anywhere near them, they can just take your mind over. Whole lot of radiation in that center. And you're just be standing there going, Oh, I'm, I'm somewhere else now. You know, and then suddenly you're back. Gee, we just go there and they said, no, no, I just showed you that.

So the supposed Pleiadians, these silver saucer aliens, Yes. Much more powerful psionic abilities that can transport you places without the flex fiber helmet that we now have a trademark on. By the way, we have a patent. Do we have a patent on it? You and me or? Yeah, we do.

We've discussed it. We have a fucking patent. Okay. We mailed the idea to ourselves. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.

And then he scoffs when he says Pleiadians. That is amazing. Like that's like, you've got to imagine Kerry is stewing. She's just sitting there like, fuck you asshole. Mark fucking Richards told me all this shit. It's not even just Mark in terms of the Pleiadians. Oh yeah. Mark has most of the, like he claims most of the space vis-a-vis raptors,

but in terms of Pleiadians, they are, they're some like all of the channeled materials that you get from all of these weirdos that have been going on for years and years, even before Kerry came on the scene, a lot of them were about the Pleiadians, the light bringers. The, like there is this mythology around the Pleiadians that they're the ones who have come to give us freedom and invite us into the order of species in the universe. But why? Is that just from the Greek?

What do you mean? I don't know. Isn't Pleiadians Greek? I don't fucking know. Is there some sort of connection there? Why do people center on that one as being their bringers of light? Um, I think because traditionally they are Nordic alien beings, if I had to guess just cutting through the bullshit, it would be good.

You're going to go with a version of manifest destiny. Or space racism, spaceism. There is a version of it that they are the most similar to white people, and therefore have always been cast in the role of, I mean, that, that. Racists already took over space before we even got there, man. I mean, way long ago. That's a bummer.

So unsurprising at the end of the day. Yeah, of course space is racist. But I mean, all of these people, like, if we, if we cut through the bullshit and talking about like the science fiction writing aspect of this. Yeah, yeah. And we actually just deal with this as adults and like humans. These people are just telling stories with a cast of characters that are extravagant in some ways and fanciful in others.

And all, not all, because Captain J is kind of an anomaly in this, which is one of the reasons why this is super interesting. No, no, no, I'm, I'm enjoying. I would say 90 to 95% of the alien stuff that you end up seeing online cast Pleiadians as our mentors in the universe. Gotcha. And they are always described as like Nordic, maybe taller than us, uh, angelic white beings.

And it makes total sense because all of the people who are perpetuating these stories. Do they have something in common? Boring ass white people. Oh, no, Dan. What? Slightly creative, but not creative enough to. Yeah. Write something good.

To not be racist. Yeah. Well, no, because like Lovecraft was racist, but he was fucking talented and shit. And that's why he was able to write the stuff he wrote, you know, like it's not that racism is an inhibition on your creativity. It's just like these people, generally speaking, are not good. They're not good at this. Yeah.

It's the same thing you, you were talking about earlier, the idea of like, this is where you limit your creativity. Yeah. They, they get to a point and can't go further and they accept the conventions of the medium that they're in, which is space lies and. And they allow their personal biases to appear in ways that they otherwise couldn't express them publicly. Probably.

Yeah. So in this next clip, Jordan, Carrie. Yes. Cassidy. What about her? One of her big things is about the military. She always is obsessed with the idea of ranks. The idea that people are in these military organizations because the secret space program

is a part of the military. You know, it's part of the services. It's a secret space part of the military. Exactly. But it is there. There's dark budgets and what have you. Of course. Yeah.

And so an essential. Why do you think your Medicare D benefits went down? Every single person that she has who are like real important people in her world are military people. Yes. You have Randy Kramer. He's still militaried up. He has a liaison sponsor in the military.

Captain Mark Richards is so deep military that he's doing this 30 year bid to life in prison because he's, you know, he's still a part of it. And yeah, all of the, like everything has to be considered within the world view of chain of command. That's a, that's a really good point that like begs the question. That's why all of these people steal valor. Right. Right.

Of course. But like does she have, does she have a personal connection to the military? Like was she a military brat? Like was it what? Like why is it that she's so differential to this kind of a hardcore fascist militaristic ideal? It's interesting. I don't know enough about her family of origin. Like I generally spend my actual like deep research time on more productive topics.

I don't understand. I don't know what could be more productive. I would say that she probably has a very strong appreciation of authority while also being pretend anti-authority. Yeah. You know, like the pretend part is the like, I believe in space and I'm talking to aliens and dreams of the future. Like that's the imaginary anti-authority aspect.

And then the, like it all lives within the world of, well, I only really believe people who pretend to be part of the military. Yeah. So I don't, I don't know. It's, it's tough to say where it comes from. And I don't want to break the goldwater rule by psychoanalyzing her. But she wants a, she wants a fascist dominator. She just doesn't want the fascist dominator we have at any given point in time.

Perhaps. Yeah. But it's a strong through line of all of these whistleblowers that she has that they all pretend that they were deeply involved in X, Y or Z organizations. And hey, whatever records that organization may have, which they're never going to give anyway, but even they're actually on Mars. But even if they, yeah, they're on Mars or they're like deep, deep secret records that you're never going to get a hold of.

So, but I, but trust me, I, I probably am the most important person in the world. The most. Me and my dad, the Dutchman, we saved the world over and over and over again. Yeah. Has she ever had anybody on who claims they're like hired like a general? No. Like the highest, like she, she's never had it. She's always had somebody who's like a captain or treatment or a private.

Yeah. Well, of course you don't, you don't, you don't fuck around with non commissioned officers, Dan. That's just, that just makes perfect sense. That goes all the way back to our West Point days. Well, listen, all of this is just to serve as an introduction to this next clip where it really seems like Captain Jay had nothing to do with the military. Like he's not even expressing that like this trip to Mars where he quote sorted things out.

That had nothing to do with the military. That was just the grays coming and picking him up and being like, you are the person we need. It took about 20 minutes. Did you have a commanding officer? Absolutely no. We had no command chain whatsoever. We had no radio contact with anyone other than our pilot who was just just stunned and amazed and numb as we were.

I didn't know what he was even seeing on the ground. These huge creatures falling us around and stuff. And no, we were just to come back and debrief. And I was going to do the, I guess the talking. He's a space diplomat. He's the negotiator that the grays have chosen to take up. There's no chain of command. He has no one he's answering to.

Who are the other people on this fucking ship? It makes absolutely no sense for Kerry's worldview because the secret space program is so compartmentalized and it's all the government doing all these black operations and shit like that. And no, now she has this guy on who's like, nah, I liberated Mars and I did it basically solo. Like we didn't have any military chain. Now I am back on board with his grays because they realize that if you wanted to go with somebody who is built into the political machine, you're going to wind up having to

go through all this red tape and you're going to get a lot of people out of bad faith. So you grab this guy who you know has a good fucking heart, which is all you need to sort things out on Mars, Dan. You got to sort it out. You got to sort them out. I don't, I like. Like what I like about this is that you have someone who is so different than all of her other guests.

Oh yeah. No, this is wild for her. It's such a curveball and she hates it. Oh, absolutely. Like she's called him ludicrous already. This is absurd. This is convoluted. Like she is not having a good time with this because he's presenting like this is my personal

experience, which is just as valid as any of your other fucking people's experience. And I will tell you that the grays are pretty cool. They came down and got me and I liberated Mars and it had nothing to do with the military. We didn't have any chain of command. There was no one telling me what to do at all. I went down there. They acclimated me. I found a Easter Island head alien.

You heard of those Kerry? They're crabbing. They're great. They're pretty cool. She does not like a civilian led government. No, she doesn't like. She does not like it. She doesn't like someone who doesn't have a clear hierarchy.

On their own was chosen by the aliens to come negotiate peace in the universe. Dude, but this guy crushed it. All of her other guests have only fomented more pain and terror. They've only hurt more people. And this dude is the first guy who's like, yeah, man, I don't even know. I fuck. I'm a rogue Democrat. I'm a rogue diplomat flying around the universe just sorting shit out.

Look, what space? Yes. We're there. Kerry is not enjoying this interview as we've clearly seen. Yeah. And so towards this point, she's kind of trying to dismount. And she's like, look, I don't want to interrupt you, but like I have somewhere else I got to be.

She does that. Is it really? An hour in this whole interview is only about an hour, which is short for some of her. Yeah, she's got somewhere else to be. She's like, I have other things that need to do. And she keeps interrupting him and he keeps talking. He, I will say, is one of the people who is the most

loquacious of her guests. Like he just will do 10 minute long. Well, I went to Mars and saw it. Went to Mars. Saw a water bear. There's a water bear mating with a wasp and a giant snake. It was amazing. And I went over and I saw these stairs.

These stairs were amazing because they don't construct things on Mars. They just cut them out of the ground. I saw the stairs. He talks about stairs for a very long time. He talks about stairs for a long time. So Carrie has to keep interrupting him when she wants to end the show. She's just like, oh, I don't want to interrupt you, but I got somewhere else I got to be.

Dismount. Dismount. But she does end up taking a couple of questions from the audience. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry to interrupt you here. We, as I say, our time is limited, but I do have a very small audience here. And I do see that we've got a couple of questions in the chat. One person wants to know if you're 100% human.

Oh, okay. Cool. Yeah. He's 100%. Okay, cool. All right. Nice. Check that one off.

All right. Check that one off is a boring question for the audience. He's just a dude. So then we get another question. Okay. And another person wants to know why you're wearing sunglasses. Oh, no reason. No reason.

I just think it looks more like a space captain, you know. Boo. Boo on that rationale. Boo. Look, I just think it looks like a space captain. I won't argue based on movies. Is that is he wearing aviators? I don't know.

He's actually way too far away from the camera. Is he Top Gun? What's going on here? He has like a webcam set up that is a good like 10 feet away from him. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not. Is there a unhung painting in the background?

No, it's not a rapid-port situation. But it's not a good, I can't tell the brand of these glasses. But yeah, he's wearing sunglasses. They're like, who cares, man? He looks like a space pilot. I look more space pilot-y. I find that so refreshing. Yeah.

I love that he does not build any backstory to it at all. Fuck, I just want to look the parts. Dude, I'm Captain Jay. Why not wear some fucking sunglasses, right? That's what you think a space pilot looks like, so I might as well try. So those are the questions. And then Carrie ends the interview in a soft and salty way. So thank you very much, Captain Jay, for sharing your testimony with us today.

This is, as I say, very impromptu. And there's no real way to vet this information. Go to Mars, bitch! It's just time. Perhaps there will be in the future. And we'll just kind of leave it open door and see what happens. So that is exactly what you said at the beginning, which is there is no way to prove any of this.

But you can sort of tell, like, if that had gone better, she wouldn't have ended it with. I'd like to remind you that this guy, I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about. It's fun. It's fun. And maybe this is a perfect Halloween episode, because Carrie is dressed up as someone who actually is questioning what someone is saying to her.

Maybe it is the perfect analog for a costume. I just don't know how to feel about this guy, Dan. On the one hand, he's so far been my favorite Project Camelot guest. Well, I mean, the running isn't, like, it's not a deep crew. Like, who do you have to pull for? Well, wasn't that... You have a racist pleadium. No, but wasn't that...

You have a murderer. Wasn't the guy who was a PM in Britain? Was he on... Simon Parks? Yeah, was he on the show or was he just mentioned? No, he's been on the... He's been on a lot. Yeah, well, he's up there.

I like him. I don't know. He's a... What? He seemed like his policy positions were great. He's not as... Sure, he fucked an alien once every four months, but he had good policy ideas.

He's not as bigoted as some of the other folks that you're going to end up running into. Sure, sure. This guy doesn't seem... I don't know... He's bigoted, but I don't know where, to who, and why. Right, right. Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like, when you get into... We talked about it at the beginning of the show. The things that he's expressing at least metaphorically seem more progressive than so many of these other guests. Yeah. And Kerry hates him.

Yeah. That seems... Seems to say something. Seems like it. I don't know. Because we can only live in the world of metaphor, I don't know what conclusion you can draw from it. But...

It is fascinating. It is endlessly fascinating to me whenever we go through all of these guys and how they feel about races. Like, they all... All of them, when an alien race is involved, they all have hard and fast positions on what entire races are good

and entire races are bad. That is an important piece. I don't think we ever unpack. There is a uniform characteristic that's given to races. Yeah, to races entirely. And having that thought kind of leads you to believe that you might think similarly about humans.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Not sure, but... But this guy, it seems... Even his racist things like the... Oh, the Pleiadians. You think your Pleiadians aren't Pleiadians. And they're bad.

But even then, they're like... They're like bad ants. Like, his description of all of this shit is very non-committal towards an actual race of beings being good or bad. Yeah. More even... Like, even his worst characterization was capricious.

You know, like... They just don't have their fun. Yeah, these guys are infinitely powerful and have no problem. And we mucked it up and they were like... We talked to them. Fine, goodbye. We talked to them.

Yeah, all we had to do was talk. They couldn't have their fun. Yeah. I don't... I... If there are space politics... Yeah. That's a better version.

I appreciate it more. I do. So, it's interesting that you have this guy who's come in and expressed these things. And he's never been welcome back on the show. Of course not. Meanwhile, Carrie will talk to Eddie Page five times in a month.

Non-stop. Now, here is where the show proper ends. Yes. And we'll be back in just a moment to listen to more tracks from Carrie Cosby's album. Welcome back to the Knowledge Fight Listening Room. As Red, we're here. Now, we're going to shift gears a little bit

and do a little bit of listening party for the Project Camelot album, Rebel Gene. Again, released in 2014. All right. You can buy this online. 12 bucks. 12 bucks? 12 bucks.

Dude, come on. How many tracks? Not many. It's six tracks. Six tracks? That's unreasonable. We've already heard Space Command. Two bucks a track?

Even Apple charges like 99 cents. This was released in 2014. You can find more information about it at warriormusic.org. So, check that out. I don't want to do that. So, we're going to start with the opening track.

01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,240 This one is called Magic Eyes Only. Oh, this is Ravi Shankar, right? Maybe. That's good. Feel it. Feel that shit. Holy shit. Who you truly are.

Carrie's singing. Oh, my God. Are you not free to communicate? Is this Lady Tron? It's Carrie and Lady Tron? Is that an abortion message? Are you not free to pursue life and liberty? Whoa.

Dude, I'm vibing out on this. This is for real good. That is for real good. It's not good. No, I would listen to that. It's better than it deserves to be. I would listen to that for sure. I don't think her voice is great,

but it's serviceable in that role. It's fine. It's fine. Look, she could take over for War Paint any day. She'd be fine. Strong. Miss Mr? She's there.

Strong opening track. It's a good track. Strong opening track. Let's see where we go from there. All right. This next track, track number two, Rogue Civilization. N-R-O-C-I-A-N-S-A. Oh, we can't legally listen to this without a hookah.

So. They are the octopus. I love the octopus. They are the octopus. The world, yours, are any world, yours, secret space. All worlds are yours except for Europa. 01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:34,760 Wait, what?

Why? That's a big reveal. That is a big reveal. I can't go to Europa. Well, now the only world I want is Europa. Also, how has that never come up on the show before? It's on her album. Look, a good artist never looks back.

Never look back. She burned that material on this album. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But it still seems like a good role. A lot can change in four years. All worlds are yours except Europa. I don't understand what that one actually means, though. Like, what world is Europa?

Isn't that a moon? Yeah, but also the next song, track three. Yes. Nail gun to the head. That's a harsh title. That is, what is this? Is this Fugazi? What's going on here?

Get out while you still can. It's a massive attack? Yeah, I was just thinking that goddammit. I was about to say that same shit. In short, the banker hits are being done by the bad guys to keep the men from singing after they flipped during prosecution or investigation. Protection.

The STL Fed guy discovered some bush. Fed guy. At Fed guy. It doesn't even rhyme. She didn't have to say Fed guy. I don't know why she rhymed it earlier and then doesn't have to later. Trick it, trick it.

You know what I mean. Fraud thought theft. Wait, wait. Did she say fraud thought theft? Fraud thought theft, yes. Goddammit. I think we're coming to one very strong conclusion. For real, this is instrumentally serviceable.

Not bad. Eerily, eerily similar to the JVXX album I'm New Here where he sampled Gil Scott Herron's spoken word shit and then just put beats underneath it. Eerily similar to that. Slightly different content. Might be a little bit. I don't think she ever says that a rat done bit her sister.

A rat done bit my sister. No, the government, etc. This is so wild. I'm I'm just I'm almost disappointed that it's not worse. Well, no, I think it's terrible. But only really don't think it's terrible. I think it's terrible because of the combination of all of its parts. Like, I think that I could low key mellow vibe on some of the instrumentation.

And also, if it wasn't Kerry Cassidy saying this nonsense, I think I could put up with the vocals. Like the vocal quality isn't terrible. It's the fact that she's saying things that I'm like, hold on, what the fuck are you talking about? Have you ever heard like disclosure? Like those like that kind of like ambience. Kerry's very not offensive.

Like like it's it makes it makes sense. I don't think this is terrible. I really don't. All right. Let's see if you enjoy this next track. The next track is actually space. I think nail gun to the head is probably troublesome. Nail nail command space.

Nail command to the head. Space command is the next song. So we're going to skip that and go on to track five. This is AI battle. Okay. Rigged tone. Who's this guy? I think this one is actually ported.

I think it's a. Who is really in charge? West of all George Bush. Martin or Marduk? Marduk. Marduk. Marduk based in Tanzania. What's Marduk in Tanzania?

If that was cardinal official, I'm going to be pissed off. Because she had someone on the track and it doesn't say who is guessing. Yeah. If that was cardinal official, I think he can do better. But I also know that he will do anything. He'll show up anyway. He did that song with Colby O'Donnis.

I think it was probably one of the lesser Marley children. Oh yeah. That's possible. So that was a little too reggae for my tastes. I think also a little bit too much for Kerry. That was, that was jarring. I appreciate a good like guitar. So this last track here, the album closer.

It's called humanity get off your knees. I like it. Understanding what we are made of is key to understanding what our true potential is. Once you realize this, then child is father to the man. If you're not on- That's actually blue six. That's actually blue six.

Did she just steal everybody from the early 2000s doing ambient music? Child is the father of man is also an album by Blood, Sweat and Tears. Oh, okay. Really great. But, but like this to me seems like opium in the late 70s. Like this seems to me like you got to be like real on some, some debilitating shit. Oh yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

It becomes much more real. The fact is we may end up being their teachers rather than the other way around. What? Humanity is a genetic experiment. Hell yeah. We are a genetic library. Damn right. Given the knowledge of our potential is likely even greater than the sum of our hearts.

Our potential is unlimited as a result. Recognize who you are and begin to push the envelope of your potentiality. At the dope baseline. At the dope baseline. Fuck off. If you don't like that baseline, go fuck yourself. That's a, that's a great baseline. This is, I proclaim it, not a terrible album.

We're only listening to the samples. I guarantee you if you had to sit around and listen to this for a half an hour, you'd probably be like, oh god. Wait, six tracks left last a half hour? Oh yeah. That's too long. Each of those tracks, we only heard about one fifth of them. Too long.

Yeah. It's a 36 minute album, six tracks. No, I can see her, I can see her teaming up with G-han and Kamiyan and putting out an all right blue note album. It's interesting that she did that in 2014 and has not ventured back into the waters of music. Nor has she ever mentioned it on the show. She's never mentioned that. I've never heard that.

That's crazy. I accidentally found that. That seems crazy. Yeah. And I was like, oh god. I, legit, if I were her, that would be the thing I would be most proud of. I think that I've heard a lot of like albums by people who have no business making music. Like, you know, like a Joe Pesci or Steven Seagal made some music.

Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of. I assume Steven Seagal had an album. There's a lot of actors who have made music and like you listen to that and you're like, what are you doing? 01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:18,200 You think this bass line is good?

What are you doing? Like that sort of thing. And I'll, I will, I will come with you as far as I'm going to accept that that is better than a lot of them. You should come with us and leave your world behind, Dan. So Carrie made some music. Good, good on her. I appreciate it. It's not bad.

It's not bad, Dan. We will, this will be our eternal struggle. Whoever was producing that album knew exactly what I, that he or she was working with. Keep it simple. They knew exactly what they were working with. Keep it simple, stupid. And they were willing to like, let's fucking, let's make sure that this fucking

vibes and let's not worry about anything beyond that. If I'm working on an album with Carrie Cassidy, here's what I'm going to do. I'm like, what, this is going to live or die by her weirdness. So what I'm going to do is be nonoffensive. I'm just going to make this as mellow and just whatever is possible. And then she can throw her weirdness on it. It's not on me. None of, I was just on their website.

I still don't remember what that guy's name is, who did all the music. I have no idea who the studio musicians were because let me tell you something. I think it was just one guy. Look it up. It's on warrior music.com or you can find all the information you can find. So there's a multi-instrumentalist producer who is doing all this for her. That guy's a, or he or she is a fucking amazing. Yeah.

Incredible. Yeah. We're going to appeal back the layers and find out that he's the genius behind so many. It's actually DJ Danger Mouse. That's it. Stay on the automator. He loves concept albums. He loves concept albums.

There's no doubt about it. Oh, Deltron 30. Um, so guys, this has been fun. Nice break from reality a little bit. But we'll be back with our next episode that we'll unfortunately deal with whatever, whatever it deals with. Much more reality. Look, I might get better.

Maybe. I couldn't even, I couldn't even sell myself on that. Nope. Anyway, we have a website, knowledgefight.com. We do indeed. Dan, where could you find us on a social media site? Twitter. Twitter is that one.

Knowledge underscore. I'm not on that one. What about Facebook? You're not on that one either, but we are. And also we have a group called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. That sounds great to join. We will let you in there. I do avail myself of the iTunes.

Can you find us there? Yep. We're on there. You can leave a review. You can subscribe. We would appreciate it. Thank you all. So, oh, so very much for supporting the show and being interested in it.

We appreciate it so much. Absolutely. Do you know what, Dan? The only thing that I can say for certain. Shut it down. I do want to hear what you were going to say, but I have a better one. Fuck off. Okay.

You do yours. All right. Okay. The audience vote. Okay. That sounds good. All right. You're first.

All right. I, the only thing I can say for certain is that for the first time on a project Camelot, maybe not the first time, but for the first time on a project Camelot episode where a guy calls himself a captain, he has explicitly never killed a guy. But I know somebody who has. And he can. So here's mine. You are just waiting for me to finish mine.

So you could do yours. It's pretty close though. It's pretty close. Okay. I was going to say something in a thank God. Thank God that when these silver craft beings were causing all of their problems in the universe, all it took was some weird dude going into space, going to Mars, getting acclimated to Easter Island beings, and then figuring it out.

No one had to die in figuring out the problems of the universe. But one guy had to theoretically die for no reason. And, you know, who did it? Alex Jones. Andy in Kansas. Anyway, mine was a little bit more succinct. It was the way I would describe mine. Anyway, let us know which one you enjoyed better.

We'll see you next time here on the podcast. Alex probably killed a dude. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you.