Knowledge Fight - #228: Old Alex Clips

Episode Date: November 12, 2018

Dan is in the middle of preparing the research for the forthcoming Obama Deception documentary coverage, so he needs a real novelty to really get his mind into the show today. Thus, he decides to tell Jordan about some old clips he found of Alex Jones from his public access days in the Clinton era. What the gents end up finding there is at times charming, and at times deeply troubling.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding Alex. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan. Hey, Dan, what? When was the last time you saw one of the United States have to recount an election with ramifications that could possibly affect the world for decades to come? I mean, I know, I know 2000 certainly rings out in my memory. I don't know. What state was that Florida? Oh, no, it seems like it seems like it's coming around the bend one

more time. Wasn't there a situation like that in Ohio in 2004? Oh, yeah, there was. They're similar. I don't think it would have, I don't think it would have turned or no. Actually, yeah, that would have turned the election. 2000 really comes to mind. And it's actually interesting that you bring that up because one of the people who was involved on the ground there in Florida during the 2000 election was Roger Stone. Info wars correspondent, Roger Stone correspondent, putting it way too softly. Important thing to remember after the recount was officially finished. Gore won. Yeah. See, I know, or one. I know that Roger Stone was involved because this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones

and info wars and I don't know anything about Alex Jones and info wars. Today we got a very unconventional episode to give to people and I have a lot of reasons for that. Okay. One of the reasons is a big announcement that we haven't told the people yet. And that is that I am deeply ensconced in my lab working on the research for the Obama deception documentary coverage that we will be releasing the week of Thanksgiving. Hell yeah, because we are thankful to our donors and everyone who supports us over the week of Thanksgiving, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. We are shoe hoarding that. We're shoe hoarding the whole Thanksgiving thing in there. Why not? Absolutely. You know how we observe Thanksgiving.

Love it. Love Turkey. Oh, I love it. So it's been a lot of research and I know that I referenced on the show that a lot of people have done debunkings of the Obama deception already. So I thought my workload would be light. Uh-uh. No, there is way more than a lot of these sites captured. I know that a lot of them actually got some things wrong. So it's been Christ. So it's been a ton of like, you know, uh, chasing down threads. I know that I told you during the end game coverage that I found 130 specific factual problems with what Alex Jones said in the end game. Right. Documentary. I lost count. Last time you gave me an update, it was roughly 204 or something. I lost, I lost count about an hour and 10 minutes

into the documentary. I just don't even care what the actual number is. It's absurd. Almost everything isn't true. But some things are really fun. There's a lot of fun information that I found out that everyone get very excited for that. I appreciate it and it's a thrill. So the reason that that is involved in this being a very unconventional episode is that, you know, generally on Mondays, we like to do a deep dive into 2009, see what was going on with the beginning of the tea party and shit. But it turns out a lot of the things that are going on in 2009 are things that may come up in the Obama deception. So not to say that, like Alex didn't know about the Mayak report when he made the Obama deception. So a lot of the stuff we've been talking about

already, not necessarily in there, but it'd be very hard for me to stop myself from spoiling a lot of Obama deception coverage if we did 2009. So I got to put that on hold until after Thanksgiving week. So 2009 is out. So I decided, what the fuck? Let's do a wacky Wednesday episode on Monday. So I said to myself, it's dirty pool. I quit. We're not going to do it. I am out. But I realized like, Hey, it's been a long time sound of a door slamming. It's been a long time since we looked in on Jim Baker. It has been a long time since we looked in on Jim Baker. So I went and checked into Jim Baker and I just watched an entire hour of him talking about the migrant caravan and they're like, Nope. No. How is he talking about the migrant caravan? He's terrified.

Why is this even happening? It's nuts. I don't know. It's supposed to be a God centered show. See, that was one of the things that really, really struck me wrong about the whole idea that he's, he's just doing flat out propaganda. Yeah, absolutely. He's not even bothering. I mean, the whole idea of Jesus had to do with like helping the downtrodden and stuff. Not in my Bible, Dan. Yeah, it seemed very off brand for Christianity, but I'm sure there were never any situations in the Bible where there was a migrant caravan and people were judged for not taking them in. Yeah, it was weird. And so I'm like, I don't want to talk about this. This isn't going to be fun because it wasn't fun at all.

So I'm like, All right, Jim Baker's out. So I was like, All right, let's go back to Friday, last Friday's episode. Let's do a modern day episode. I remember that that last one that we went over was reasonably painless for me to listen to. I was very capricious in making that announcement. It's show sucks. He just had a pretty decent day. Maybe he was tired. I don't know. I just can't get up the racism today. It was really rough because he's talking about the recounts that are going on in like Georgia and Florida. I bet he thinks they're a scam or a cheat. He does. And he's also like, and I, you know, we got Roger Stone, who was involved in the 2000 recount. I'm like, not a point of pride. You said that George Bush stole the election in

2000. Now you have Roger Stone, one of the guys who was a part of that. And you're like, it was a good thing that he did that. What are you doing? It's so confusing. I just like, I don't want to do that either. I don't, it's just my head is all over the, Oh, the other thing too is that a lot of this, a lot of his stuff is about how like Paul Joseph Watson put out that video that was altered of Jim Acosta. Oh my God. And he's all, is he, is he crowing about how great they are over that? Oh, absolutely. Okay. Trump defended us. How great. Yeah. And he's like, it wasn't, it wasn't altered like it was. They've, they've shown, they've demonstrated that it absolutely was. And even Kellyanne Conway went on. It wasn't altered. It was sped up. Yeah. That is definitely

not the definition of altering the video. And we took the video and we made a change to it. We didn't alter it, Dan. Yeah. What kind of idiot would call that that? It's, it's a mess. It's, it's a real mess. People are brazen and especially for Alex, someone who brings up Orwell all the time. Right. Double speak. Right. Everyone believes whatever they want to believe. Dan, objective reality has died. Let us all live in this new world. Objective reality has died. Long live objective reality. Sure. Yeah. So that sounds right. At the end of all of these options, all these roads that I went down, I found myself unsatisfied and none of them were what I wanted to do. And honestly, what I want to do more than anything is understand Alex Jones

more fully and sing the highwayman. Of course. Yeah. That's really what I want out of this show, because I believe that understanding him within the context that he has existed in for years helps us understand the context that he exists in now. I believe fully that the child is the father of man, to some extent, you know, who you are, what you experience, what you advocate for is a part of what you become. Yeah. Generally speaking. And so I wanted to do 2009. I wanted that badly. But because of the intersection with the Obama deception, no good. So I decided to see what I could find even further in the past. Oh, no. So what it's very difficult to find actual footage of Alex Jones from back in his public access days. But I was able to find a two hour YouTube video

compilation of a bunch of every good sixties cut and another from the seventies. No. Okay. Of Alex Jones back on his public access days. No shit. Now, how long ago is this? It's all Clinton era. A whole lot of it is about Waco. We're not going to be talking too much about it. All right. It's a pretty interesting glimpse. And I think that a lot of it is what you'd expect. A lot of it is not what you'd expect. But it's a weird glimpse, man, because I'm watching this and I'll say just off the top, he doesn't give a shit, like, or at least in this cut, maybe they selectively cut out all the parts where he would be talking about these sorts of things. But he doesn't seem concerned with culture issues one bit. He doesn't seem to care at all about anything that is his

bread and butter. Now all he cares about is the government and he is fucking anti-government to a T is he anti-government, which I don't think is any, that's not going to come as a surprise to anybody. Okay. But he is all about the government. He is all about being anti-police. He is all about just like, there's a kernel of it that I'm like, yeah, you go buddy. There's a kernel of it that's like rock on. And I think in this first clip, we get a glimpse of is he is he back? Is he, is this all the way back when he's still spelt? He's in between bodies. Okay. All right. He's all we see. We see glimpses of the man he is going to become. He's on the good side of it though. Like especially there's a, there's a number of these clips where he looks

pretty good. Like he looks in pretty good shape, but there's others where you can see like, oh, it's happening. No, still hasn't turned all the way red all the time yet. No, no. I don't, I don't, I don't know his life or anything like that, but he doesn't seem like an alcoholic at this point. I don't know, but that might be, or at least he can better handle it. Or at least he's not drunk while he's doing these. That's possible. These, these are the possibilities. I'm not sure. It's probably irresponsibility, irresponsible of me to assume many of that stuff. But in this first clip, we get a piece of what I, like what I was saying about you go, man. All right. All right. There are these sorts of issues that he's bringing up that are, I think, I think there's a place in

public discourse for it. Let him speak in this clip. He is at the DMV protesting. Oh, the stakes, the stakes when they were so low. He's, he's at the Austin DMV where he has made it clear. We're here with Ethel and she will not give me a license because I don't have a picture or a home address. The DMV has, uh, uh, or the state has put out new guidelines where you have to give a thumb print in order to get a, uh, driver's license. Alex is protesting this and he is given an interview outside earlier where he said, I've brought eight forms of ID. I have every possible conceivable ID that anyone would ever want for me. If they make me put my finger in the scanner in order to get my ID, I will lay down on the ground and make them arrest me. Okay. So that is

how he's coming in. I like, I like his style. And this is pre even talking to anybody. Yes. Well, he's talking to someone on camera outside. I think he's giving an interview to some, uh, local news channel. So everyone in the DMV is looking out at this interview going on like, oh no. God damn it. So here is, uh, him trying to get arrested at the DMV and not doing a great job. Yeah. And if I drive without a license, what's, what's the penalties for driving without a license? You know, I don't even want to go there. That's right. You know why? I'm asking you. You're an officer. I'm asking you the law. I would be glad to say. So you're saying, I'll be committing a crime by driving if I don't take your mark.

I would be glad to do anything I can. We'll see. You're saying officer Ard, you're, you're sitting here, Sergeant, and telling me that you're all friendly and you're all nice, but I'll be pulled over and given tickets. If I don't pay those, I will go to jail because I, because of my morals and my beliefs, I will not take this. And I'm here to tell you, I already took this in 93 and many people will say, well, you've already taken it. What's your problem with it? Because now I figured out what this is, and I'm opposing all those others that are being heard in here like cattle to be thumb scanned like criminals. Yes. We don't even need to start there. If I know that you're not going

to submit to a thumb print, why waste your time? See, right up front, they will drop and people are being turned away all day here. So you're saying I pay my taxes. I'm raped by the arrest, which is criminal. Yeah. Yeah. It's well known. Criminal. Submit. He just said, I must submit. Real quick, the guy in the background said, uh, you're the one who used the word submit. And then Alex is like, he's saying, I got us a bit. He, you said. I'm telling you, I've never been to jail. I don't know. What do you want me to do for you? I want you to give me my driver's license. I want my driver's license. I am not a criminal. I may become one today, but that's fine. You're saying, you're saying you won't take me to jail

at five, but I'm still here. No, we're not going to take you to jail. Oh yeah. So, I like the resignation in his voice. Yeah. I'm like, dude, I can't do anything. I'm trying to do anything. I'm not, I'm just, look, man, I'm trying to get arrested on principle and you're not helping me out here. You're saying you'd like to help me over and over again. Oh, you're just going to act all polite, being polite like that. Arrest me. Okay. Well, good. So it's not like this was a fruitless quest. Yeah. Good for him.

But the reason that I'm into this on a tentative level is because I don't necessarily think it is. It should be required to give a fingerprint in order to get a driver's license. I think that this is probably a place where it's reasonable to draw a line. I think that the protesting that is probably, you know, something I'd be, I don't know if I joined the protest, but I, I, I tip my cap to it a little bit. I give it a Facebook like Alex's further argument that this is just a step towards them demanding blood and urine. No, that sounds right. Now that's a little bit of a slippery slope kind of argument, but at the same time, you know, hey,

all right, I'm, I'm, I'm this kind of Alex is like, all right, guy. No, this is great. Again, the stakes, the stakes are beautifully low. Dan, the stakes could not be lower. There is no downside to this. There's a societal value to having someone who exists in an aggressive manner who's like, no, I'm not giving you my fingerprint. Yeah. Why do you want my fingerprint? That sort of thing. Take it to the Supreme court. I think that there is like, whether or not he's right or wrong, that is the sort of issue that's like glad you exist.

You know what? I never would have thought about it. I would have just been one of those sheep. Dan, I would have just been a cattle member just going up and then giving them my thumb print and saying, take me away to the driver's ed school, sir. Right, right. So the reason that I bring this in is because a little bit later in this exchange that he has, Alex reveals something about himself in the mid 90s. I killed the guy. Whoa, whoa, what? Technically, maybe. You just follow orders, don't you? You're saying you're going to deny me the constitutional

right to travel. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Digital thumb scanning. Okay, look, I feel like I'm being raped here. Then just give me my license without digitally thumb scanning. Is there a religious exception? For your exception. Is there a religious exception? No. Everyone must take the mark.

So he's related to the mark. Everyone must take the mark. But what you responded to is exactly the point of the clip. Alex is a sovereign citizen in the mid 90s. Oh, he's so a sovereign citizen. The idea of the constitutional right to travel, that is a huge argument of the sovereign citizens because they believe that you should be able to drive cars. It's a right. And that the only reason anyone needs a license is for commercial driving. Exactly.

That sort of thing. If you're driving trucks, then you need a license. And you can't have that license in all caps. Otherwise, they own your car. Maritime law. So the way that Alex is phrasing that reveals to me very clearly that he has at least sovereign citizen adjacent beliefs dating back as far as the mid 90s. So that's interesting to me. I find that very interesting. I find the right to travel argument endlessly fun. Well, it's not for the cops that get shot.

No, they're not stoked. Pulling over sovereign citizens. They're not stoked about it. No. I wish that argument had not gotten into the hands of people who have guns. I wish that was just like a weird mainstream argument that like, like why not have Elizabeth Warren just for one moment go on like a, hey, we should have the right to travel across state lines regardless.

It's not about state lines. Oh, it's not. It's just traveling. It's anywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just the concept of travel. Which is silly too, because Alex starts to relate it to like, now I can't go fly a play. I can't get on a plot.

You can. You have your fucking passport. That works as an ID for any of those sorts of travel that you want to do. It's just about getting your driver's license. What about no fly zones? Does it do sovereign citizens respect no fly zones? I don't know if issues come up. Is it constitutional to fly over an army base?

Like area, area 51. Yeah. No, no, no. Just like, just like Fort Sumter. Is that a place? I have to admit that this is a blind spot. See, there we go. There we go.

So that was always going to poke holes in that sovereign citizen argument. So that was Alex's trip to the DMV, which I rate as fun. At least for our purposes. That's like so harmless. Yeah. Alex just getting arrested on principle going down to the DMV saying, I won't scan my finger even though I already did it a couple years ago. Yeah, which I would say the fact that the stakes are even lower

because it's a duplicate license. That's even better. Absolutely. Yeah. Give me, give me more. It's him courting that in order for a publicity stunt to be done. I want a copy of my birth certificate. And I am not going to give you a fingerprint. There is a crassness to it when you take it out of that.

You realize that like, oh, you don't even need to go to the DMV. But at the same time, you know, it to me is, I don't know. It seems harmless, which is very foreign to us. So your honor in the, in the case of the state versus one Alex Jones, we humbly say, dude, come on, right, dude, come on. If you've already, if you've already given the state a finger scan or whatever, then what you should do is make a big stink out of it, but still do it again because they already have your fucking fingerprint on right.

I mean, the thing that makes more sense is to deal out of it. Wow, you're doing it. I'm only doing this because they already have my fingerprint on record, but you guys don't need to. You can save yourself. Please give me my duplicate license. You should try and get your fingerprint back. That's what though.

That's the thing he should be doing right there is for you. That should be like, you should have to. I have the right to be forgotten by fingerprint laws or whatever it is. Interesting. Yeah, I like it. So in this next clip, Alex Jones has taken a trip to the Grand Canyon. Look at its wondrous beauty. Drill baby drill.

That's not the angle. He believes that President Clinton has signed an executive order. He's the Grand Canyon. Nope. He's signed an executive order that gives control of the Grand Canyon to UNESCO. Okay. So here is Alex harassing people. Just trying to enjoy vacation.

At the Grand Canyon. He's harassing people at the Grand Canyon. God damn it, man. In Northern Arizona, overlooking the beautiful Grand Canyon, one of America's most beautiful treasures. And it's very distressing to me and other patriots and people that truly do care about the environment in America. Sure.

That Bill Clinton, with his executive order, January 19, 1996. 1996. Number 12,986 began the precedent to sign over our national treasures to international control. Yes, this is a international biosphere and world heritage site. And guess who controls those? The United Nations. Wait, what? So that was it.

Wait, why do? Hold on. Okay. So that was him doing like a little bit of a, like he, it's just a one shot him standing in front of the Grand Canyon. Like a, like a, yeah, like a news remote. Yes. Like he's doing that whole thing.

And now we've switched to another shot where he's about to harass a bunch of tourists. 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:56,720 All right. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm conducting a scientific experiment. I want to ask y'all, if y'all know about executive order signed January 19, 1996 by President Bill Clinton, number 12,986, which designated this as a world heritage site under UNESCO, a corporation of the United Nations. This is the worst tour ever.

None of you heard about this in the mainstream media. None of you heard about it. So none of them heard about it. But I have pulled up executive order one, two, nine, eight, six from 1996 signed by Bill Clinton. Yep. It has nothing to do with that. What does it have to do with?

It's called international union for conservation of nature and natural resources. By virtue of the authority vested in me as president of the constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I hereby extend to the international union for conservation of nature and natural resources, the privileges and immunities that provide or pertain to immunity from suit to this effect, the following sections of the international organization immunities act shall not apply to the international union for conservation of nature and natural resources. All it does is make immune from a lawsuit.

This international union for conservation of nature and natural resources. Does it say the Grand Canyon? No. And it has nothing to do with transferring property of the United States, the national parks over to the international community. It doesn't say a dick about that to the point that I actually found a bunch of like Patriot message boards that were like, Hey, Alex says that this executive order gives the Grand Canyon to UNESCO.

If you read it, it has nothing to do with that. Like even the people on his side were like, there's a huge problem with this argument that he's made. This is a stretch, dude. So that's pretty funny. Are sovereign citizens allowed to drive in the Grand Canyon? I don't believe. I don't know.

Do you need it? You do need it. You do need a license to drive federal property offensive. Now it's comical because in the early days of the Trump administration, he started making moves in order to sell off the national parks. Come on. So Alex didn't seem to be too concerned about that. What, like private buyers who plan on raping and pillaging that land?

Come on. That would never happen. Alex seemed very in favor of that. If you recall that episode when we talked about that. So now here's the punchline of this. Alex doing some more voiceover after he gets done harassing these people about a executive order that he is completely lying about. No sooner had I turned away that some of the crowd began to laugh and call me a kook.

I guess they won't take the time to check out the executive order 12,986. I guess they don't believe it unless they hear it from Peter Jennings' mouth. Well, I mean, it has nothing to do with who's saying it has to do with like what the truth is. I like, I like this. That's petty as hell. I like low budget. I like bullshit. I'm loving this so far.

Yeah. Oh, totally. And, and I like it. He sounds hurt. Yeah. He sounds hurt. I know. He's taking it personally.

Cause they ruined his vacation too. None of them want to read the executive order because they don't believe in anything unless Peter Jennings says it. Yeah, Peter Jennings. I went to the Grand Canyon and all I wanted to do is stand with my back to whatever it is that's behind. What is the, it's a canyon.

00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,480 I just wanted to stand with my back to it and yell at people marveling at natural beauty. I wanted to find people who scraped together enough money, people who live in, let's say, I don't know, Wisconsin and they drove across country to Arizona to see the natural beauty of the Grand Canyon. They've been dreaming about it for years. Finally got the vacation time from work, made their way down only to have me yell at them about an executive order. I don't understand.

This is how I have fun. It is literally like the plot of the new sequel to National Lampoon's vacation series. Yeah. Like the Griswolds go to the Grand Canyon and they just get yelled at by Alex Jones for an hour. Now, hold on. I would love, you know, these road movies are pretty hot right now. Yeah.

You know, I know Jason Manzukas has a new road comedy coming out. I did not know that. Yeah. The, you know, everyone road trip, your road trip. Those were 20 years ago. Maybe they were. It's hot right now. It's hot right now.

Your example is road trip and Euro trip movies that maybe made back their budget. Probably 20 years ago. Can't imagine their budget being that high. Most of it was paying Tom Green. That's fair. Here's my point. We make a road trip movie. Okay.

But it's early Alex Jones going to the natural wonders of the United States to bother people. Yeah. That'd be great. That'd be a farce. Yeah. Like the trip with Steve Coogan. And what's his face? Hot.

Yeah. Like a tour guide. Hot. 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,960 They made three sequels to that. So, so far we have Alex Jones going to the DMV and like fine. And we have him harassing people about bullshit at the Grand Canyon. Worse, but I feel bad for the people, but they were laughing.

So, you know, you live your life. Everybody had a good time. Yeah. Everyone got something out of it. 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:08,000 Yeah. So it's not the worst thing ever. I mean, that's like, Jackass probably inconvenience people more than that.

Yeah, that's true. So like, I'm not, I don't, I don't hate this. I mean, he's still lying about stuff to suit his purposes, but I'm still like, yeah. All right, man. Now this next clip. No racism. Rootness? Rootness is forgivable.

Slight rootness. In this next clip, we see Alex announcing something that is so weird to imagine, given what we know about Alex and the president. My daughter's having a keen seniora. I'm the person to vote for, and I just decided to do this today, because they've been asking me for months, and I decided to do it. And I'm running for district 48 right here in Austin, Texas. That's the Southwest Austin B-Caves area.

That's where I live. And if you want the corruption, ferret it out. If you want real information done, I need you down there watching downtown when they're counting the votes. I need you at all the major polling centers. Well, there's stuff in the ballot boxes, and I'll be there making sure. And they may have some computer fraud going on, too. We're not sure.

We're not sure. I lose. Have we done the election yet? We don't catch it. I'm not going to say it was election fraud. You already did. District 48 for the great legislature of Texas. Yes, that's right.

Are people clapping? I'm going to ask, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to win. Is he on TV? We're going to be watching those computers. And we're going to have people in there counting those votes. And the electioneer people won't know who we've gotten. They're volunteering. I'm going all out.

Information war. And I'm going to get inside that system, inside that mechanism, and I'm going to win. Here's my solution to making sure voter fraud does not happen. I plant people in the counting situation secretly. Like all good up and up investigations. Right, right. Gotcha. It's an investigation.

00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,280 He's running for fucking state representatives. He's really doing that. Well, he dropped out before the Republican primary. This was in 2000. He was already worried about voter fraud, and he had yet to make it to the primary. Well, you see him screaming about like, I'm going to root out corruption and I'm going to win. I am going to drop out before the primary.

This is in the 2000 election. And he dropped out, like I said, before the primary, citing a desire to, quote, focus on getting his views out on the airwaves, which presumably he was already doing. Right. How was the polling? Democrat and kitchen ended up winning the election with about 59% of the vote. My guess is that this was basically just a bit of a publicity stunt on Alex's part.

And when he realized he had no chance of winning and that no one was rallying around to fund his campaign, he's just like, fuck it. I give up. That's my, that's my feeling on it. And I don't hate that either. Like the idea of someone who's on public access, using running for office as a way to get publicity, I think is all right. I mean, it's slightly an abuse of the, like the election system.

And the guy with the chopstache shoe and a rent being too damn high. That guy's worthwhile. I like him. Yeah. The rent is too damn high. Yeah, the rent is too damn high. I agree. Yeah.

I mean, my, the guy who ran the bar I used to work at in Missouri, he would run for mayor almost every time there was an election, basically just to get promotions for his bar. That's great. Yeah. He's a genius. He's essentially Trump, but he didn't accidentally win. Right.

Right. And he made sure of that by dropping out. All the time. Yeah. I mean, I think Alex is doing the same thing. And like I said, I can't hate on it. No, it's a hustle. Respect the hustle.

This is just a hustler at this point. I'm fine with the hustle. This is a, from what we've seen so far from the nineties, this is just kind of a mildly principled hustler. Yeah. Like the DMV thing is a hustle to some extent, because he's getting a duplicate ID, like we said. Right.

It's not like he needs to go there. He's forcing a situation wherein he can take a principled stand and also get himself a ton of free publicity. So I, I don't know, I, I mean, I'm faking this a little bit. I'm going to hate him at the end of this. Oh, okay. But of course. He's son of a bitch.

Yeah. Of course. I mean, we have to. I was, I was feeling great. We have to have a journey. I was really feeling great. In this next clip, we see Alex getting into, like he says some things that are like,

they're shockingly modern, but this is from the nineties, man. Yeah. Well, we're winning over the professors, the University of Texas. Their engineering department has come out against the New World Order and the Federal Reserve and CFR and more and more people are. And we're going to win because some of us have honored and we know their heroes left and we know it's instinctive. I'm telling you, it is, it is in grand.

That's what instincts are. They are ancestral memories and I have this memory of fighting, who freedom and dying and slaving and, and, and sack. I want to be clear. It took me like three listens over that. I thought he said he had memories of in the slaving. No. He said slaving.

Yes. It was, it, I need to make that clear because it threw me for. And now I'm sure he does have memories of enslaving. If he does have ancestral memories, he's totally got those memories. Oh yeah. Sacrificing my life and I'm not talking about, I don't believe in reincarnation. I'm talking about the instincts, the instincts to fight for your people,

for the fight for the human race against tyranny, against our own race, looking to pen us and enslave us like all of history. And there's nothing wrong with it and we've got to do it. It's a struggle for everything. All the cards are on the table and you know it's true. And you know, you've got to do it. But is that Bill Pullman? Is that Bill Pullman in Independence Day?

That speech was fucking rousing. I am roused, Dan. You sort of get the sense of where like, like his chops have always been. Oh yeah. The reason that he gained any popularity is because he has the ability to turn that on out of nowhere. That's some, that's some oration, Dan.

Yeah. He has the ability. Give that man a show. If he was. And then cancel it five years after this point. If he wasn't a flaming bigot and he wasn't completely obsessed with these stupid anti-communist propaganda things that he read as a kid, I think he'd have the potential to be an amazing improv comedian.

Like he could, he would be Andy. No, no, no, no, no. He, have you seen the way he piggybacks on people that dude can't? Yes, and he's one of the guys in the improv class who always has to have the line. I don't know if he had that guy, if he had a mentor, if he had someone who showed him the way in terms of collaborative comedy or something like that. If he went, got like a couple of classes in or something like that, I think he has the raw material that you could mold into somebody who is fucking outrageous.

So, because what you see there is like, he's making you a speech that roused you out of nothing. Roused. Out of nothing. Thoroughly roused. He brought up ancestral memory. I know. And you got roused. It's nice to know that that's still been going on for like 25 years.

That's something that maybe he's believed in forever. Yeah, that actually now I might believe is true because he's not making that up in the present. That's been going on since he was nine. I don't know if that means it's true. It does support my, he's got paranoid schizophrenia argument though. Perhaps. Or just really vivid dreams. Possibly.

So in his next clip, we hear another thing that's very familiar, and that is that he has said chai comms since the nineties. Why? Well, because that's one of those old time anti-communist terms. It's something that's like, How old is that term? I don't think I've ever asked. I thought, I actually kind of thought he just made it up.

I think it takes back to the 60s or 70s. Throw in chai comms. Why not? No, I think, I think it, as I understand it's a term that has deep roots. At least dating back to like the 60s or 70s. Oh really? See, now that makes me suspect that it's super racist. I don't think it is.

I think it's more just about the communism aspect. Okay. I think, I don't know. I don't know. I don't, I'm not, I'm not willing to give this one the racist badge, especially after we overreacted about coon ass, which is apparently. You know what? It turns out that's fine.

I respect everybody. Got a lot of, got a lot of posts on the Facebook group about that that's like, totally fine. I'm one of them. No, no, no, no. And that's great. I'm Cajun and we love it. That's great.

But look, if I'm unfamiliar with the term that has coon and ass in it, believe me, I'm, I'm taking the, the very cautious side of that. 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:17,680 Oh yeah. That's right. Discretion is the better part of valor. I don't know. Anyway, what's valorous and being like, coon ass is fine.

I don't know. I wanted to say discretion and I accidentally launched into that aphorism. Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about the chai comms, which he's been afraid of forever, which is nice to see that there's consistency there. And then he gets into like what most of his show is about back then. But who are the terrorists? It's certainly not Bill Clinton giving all of our nuclear weapons designs and enabling systems to the chai comms.

No, no, no. It's people like the Davidians or Randy and Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Oh boy. Yeah. We're the terrorist. We're the danger. We're the threat because we won't submit to total domination, total control, total slavery. Waco is a sterling example of this, the lies and corruption that were evidenced

during their activities. Oh, but I forgot we had to save the children. That's why we burned the 17 little children to death again to save them from the terrorist, the deadly dangerous terrorist, their parents. His show is so much about Waco. 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:41,600 Like I would say of this two hour compilation that I watched, an hour plus is about Waco. A lot, a lot about Waco.

And I don't want to talk too much about Waco because it's a super complicated case and so much of it relies on people deciding to believe whatever they want to believe. Like some evidence shows that David Koresh is a dangerous cult leader, but others will say that he's just some kind of Christian that you don't agree with. You know, stuff like that. Or evidence. It can be both. Evidence shows that he was abusing children at the Mount Carmel compound,

but conspiracy theorists just say it's not true. Sure, he might have been married to a 13 year old, but man, fake news. He actually was Jesus though. That was confirmed. Evidence has proven. Another reason I don't want to relitigate this too much is that I do kind of agree that the standoff wasn't handled in the best way possible. I suspect that there are better ways that they could have resolved that,

that didn't end in that kind of a tragedy, but I'm not sure what that path would have been necessarily. And I think it's beyond me to assume that I know what the right answer is. Just to remind our listeners that they don't remember the whole Waco incident clearly. What happened? Everything went wrong when Janet Reno threw a Molotov cocktail through the window of the compound. That's Alex's version. That was, that was where it all went wrong.

So I, from watching. He was originally going to name the show that he does a We Hate Reno, but then realized that Reno is a city. And he has a radio station in Reno. No, I can't do that. So two of Alex's main claims are rooted in the idea that one, the government started the fires that burned down the compound and two, that the government shot people trying to leave out the back exit.

Both of these things aren't true. Senator John C. Danforth was charged with the Special Counsel Investigation into the Waco standoff in 1999. And this investigation found that there were very clear indications that the Branch Davidian started the fire themselves. This was based on the fact that he, the potentially pyrotechnic gas canisters that were shot in by the government, they were trying to force people out of the building.

They deployed those four hours before the fires started and they weren't fired in the places where the fires ended up starting. In addition to that, lab analysis found that there were accelerants on the clothing of bodies found inside the compound and investigators found punctured fuel cans inside. Beyond that, survivors were on record saying that they overheard other Branch Davidians talking about starting fires.

It's acceptable, I guess, to have suspicions about the fires, but it's absolutely unreasonable to assume that the government started them based on the evidence available. So that one, I don't give any real credibility to, and that's what Alex talks about all the time. For sure. And it's not true. As to the claim that the government was shooting people trying to escape,

this is based on infrared videos that were shot by overhead aircrafts. As people like Alex claim, the video shows flashes that indicate gunshots and their bodies piled up by the rear exit of the building. Right. Experts analyzed the videos and they found that there's no way that these reflected gunfire, but they were actually thermal reflections of debris

that the fire was charging up and making spin in the air because of- Right, right, right. I don't know if it's back draft or whatever, but the sort of wind effects that are caused by a fire. So it looks a little bit like a firefly on the, and just an explosion of light and then it's gone. And some reflective things ended up like spinning, and it made it look like there was like flash, flash, flash, flash.

And so this is what every credible analyst has said when they look over the videos. Further, there were no bodies found in the room where the rear exit of the compound was, and none of the people inside who were shot were shot with high velocity rounds, which one would expect if they were being shot by machine guns or snipers, as people like Alex suggest.

So he spent so much of his time building up his case about the government being super oppressive, based on lies about Waco. And it's a tragedy. I'm not going to take that away from those people. Largely, most of those people were victims of this. Oh yeah, absolutely. I'm not in any way going to try and denigrate them

or try and minimize the tragedy of the situation. But what Alex is doing is super irresponsible and drumming up a lot of anti-government fervor that he would like to be able to exploit for his career. Congressional campaign. Perhaps. Or for his like the furtherance of his career without taking into account that like,

this doesn't match the actual information. It's a good thing that he only did this at the beginning of his career. And once he got that popularity, he realized the error of his ways. And then he changed and became a competent newsman. Yeah. Right?

Definitely. I'm sorry. I was reveling in the past for a little bit. So I don't know. I feel real gross about taking a look at Alex's Waco behaviors. And especially realizing that so much of his like continuing worldview and how he evolves the narratives past this point

have to do with the bedrock of his lies about Waco. Coupled with only like really, what he says maybe 10, 15 times just in this compilation of clips is like Hitler burned down the Reich tag. And he's like, well, that's one example. That doesn't necessarily mean that this is related. And the fact that Janet Reno didn't then ascend to be Chancellor of America or Bill Clinton.

That would have been a weird day. Well, I mean, the after effects that you would expect if this was some sort of a thing where they did this as a Reich tag like situation, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, as they say. Now, shadowy Cabal though, we don't know who may have been elevated through Waco. I hate, I hate you.

Somebody may have been elevated within the global structure. I hate that so much because- It was Soros. Because Alex doesn't talk about Soros. Okay. I hate that so much because it relies on the word may. And you know, there's just nothing you can do with that. Exactly.

Yeah. Okay. Which makes it true. Sure. If you use that kind of warped thinking, whatever. At that point, I bid you adieu. Okay. All right.

I can't argue. All right. I can't argue mites with you. Okay. So like I said, a lot of this- Thank you for conceding that argument. I don't know if I did. A lot of this stuff is about Waco.

And most of it is just rehashes of this. But there's one clip that's in here that is so funny. It's Alex with a microphone, presumably at a town hall meeting, arguing and insulting an ATF agent. And here's the first clip of that. When it comes time for me to leave my parents and my girlfriend and my life, I will for my country. And I really don't want to die because

I really don't want to die because I love this country. But if I have to die for my country, I will. And I think I could see that little gleam in your eye. You would almost laugh when you would say, I can't talk about that or I have no idea about that. You, sir, look like a gangster. You look like a criminal. You reek of it, sir.

You reek of being a criminal. Now, this ATF agent- You border, you ATF agent. You reek of being a criminal. The camera pans over to him and he's just standing there like just like unamused by this. Nonplussed, if you will. He's bringing me on, Nagle.

Well, that's fine. That's fine. Well, yeah. Don't do it in person. No, it's not personal. It is personal. It's the huge- Keep it to the facts.

It's the huge steel fist. This is why I don't come here. I never will come again. But this is what it comes down to. I had to come and talk to you and tell you- Let it all come down to you. That I've heard the Constitution. I know what's going on in the country.

I know about REX-84. I know about FEMA. I've been around the national parks. I've seen the executive orders. I know what's going on in this country. So, since the early 90s, early to mid 90s, he's been yelling at ATF agents, I know about REX-84,

which in present day, he's like, oh, Trump is going to use REX-84. It's time to use REX-84. Against these immigrants. Perfect. Because I know now that it's so different than it was before, much like his flipping on the idea of the

stealing of the 2000 election. It's completely waffled on everything. This is pathetic. That is also just such a laundry list of things that immediately make you go, oh, you don't know what's going on. Oh, I know about REX-84. I know about the national parks.

I know about all the lot. Wait, are you throwing REX-84 national parks in there? I don't think you know what you're talking about. Well, we've demonstrated he doesn't know about the national parks, because that's probably in reference to that executive order 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,080 Oh, it's totally in reference to the Grand Canyon.

REX-84, it's called REX-84, because it's readiness exercise in 1984. Like this is probably 10 years at least after that didn't happen. So I don't know. Really thought it was named after a guy named REX. Really thought that for a while. Thought it was after Alex's son.

I thought it was named after a guy named REX, and it was drafted in 1984. That's unfortunately not true. Okay, all right. So in this next clip, we finish up with Alex haranguing the ATF agent. I want to know why you haven't seen Waco Rules of Engagement and why you won't comment.

And you said you were 1,100 yards away from the back of the building where all the automatic weapons fire was coming from. You saw it. Sir, there's footage of it. There's tape of it. You wanted to give you one of the tapes? Yeah, I have tapes.

Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps you're not a criminal. Alex, let him answer. Perhaps you didn't power hungry. No. Let him respond. I had to say there was no automatic weapon fire coming from the back of the building.

I'd like you to tell you if I haven't seen those. So Alex is taking this information that he's like, I can't believe you haven't seen this. He always brings back up multiple, multiple times when he's in arguments with people in these clips. It's the tape. Waco Rules of Engagement, which is a documentary that was made

and has since been pretty thorough, not thoroughly debunked because there are some fair points in it in terms of like, there is a little bit of, you know, I don't know what the consensus is in terms of like who fired first. It was Oswald.

Could be, or Greedo. No, it could have been both. It's unclear in terms of like the branched avidians or the government who fired first in the front of the building. But the stuff that Alex is bringing up is specifically about the behind the building stuff and that overhead infrared footage

that is absolutely not indicative of the government shooting on the back of the building, which is part of Alex's like, they were trying to slaughter these people. They were trying to kill them when they were trying to leave and surrender and stuff like that. If he wanted to make substantive points

about like, we need to really nail down who shot first or something like that. Then there would be a lot more room for there being a discussion. And you see here, this ATF age of being like, I was around there. There was nobody shooting at the back of the building. Can an automatic rifle shoot accurately at 1,100 yards?

I don't know. I don't know enough to say that. That's crazy. I don't know enough. That's scary. I don't like that. I imagine maybe like a sniper rifle, but I don't know. That's not automatic though, is it?

I don't know. Automatic kind of suggests machine gun fire, like straight up Gatling gun, like murder town. It feels that way a bit. Yeah. So suffice it to say, most of Alex's information that he's bringing to the table comes from this Waco rules of engagement documentary.

And it doesn't imply a great deal of research. It implies it's like someone watched making a murderer and then is now an expert on the legal justice. Yeah, exactly. It's that level of thing except that Alex is so good. Like he's so talented at this stuff that he's able to turn a cursory knowledge of something with a lot of emotion behind it

into something that people find super compelling. Like it's, it's really, it's really fascinating. Absolutely. It's, it's, it's unfortunate because. It is unfortunate. It is, it is that like, yes, they fucked up. We got it. Why do you got to turn this into, you know, like 9 11,

like the government fucked up on 9 11 super hard. Super hard. They knew this shit was coming. They intercepted all this. They know all of that shit. They fucked up. That doesn't mean they did it though. It could just be that they're shitty at their jobs.

It doesn't need to be a giant conspiracy theory. You know how you, that asshole Derek at work sucks. There's tons of those guys in the government, Janet Reno. Right. And there's like, I don't think that this is a, like a conspiracy, but it would be if I suggested this. If I suggested it was intentional. I like it. Well, the idea that like, yes, absolutely.

There are, there are issues. There's things that we need to talk about when things like this happen, whether it's Waco or 9 11 and people like Alex, what they serve to do is make it impossible to have the conversations you need to have. Right. Because they detract on these, these more out there points or like things that aren't really based in reality.

Now the conspiracy part of it would be if I'm like, he exists and is being paid in order to make sure we never have those conversations by distracting people. That is a pretty good conspiracy. It's not a good conspiracy because a good conspiracy. It would be if we had some sort of proof that that were the case. Fox News. It does seem to be that that's just his instinct.

The NRA. His instinct is to muddy the waters. Yeah. Uh, when it comes to Patriot white issues. I mean, I'm not saying that there's a good argument for the conspiracy theory. I'm just saying that it seems to be the playbook that anybody who tries to talk about gun control runs.

That's true. That is like a coordinated playbook that everybody uses whenever any type of gun control legislation comes up or even a conversation about maybe semi-automatic weapons shouldn't be everywhere, you know, there's always a, a, a shrill lies thrown around at, at all possibilities. It is a, it is a feature of right wing propaganda. No.

Um, and that's, it's suspicious certainly, but it would be irresponsible of us to make some sort of a pronouncement that, uh, or even advocate for a conspiracy that like Alex is, you know, he exists for that role or something like that. I think it's the heritage foundation. But, uh, whatever the case may be. They also did Waco. That's true.

That's not true. In this next clip, which is our last clip, uh, Alex says something that I find deeply troubling and was actually the reason that I decided to go over these clips. It's, uh, real fucked up and, uh, I'll explain why after the clip. But we have the force. We have the capacity. We have the will and we will not surrender.

We are the ones engaged in the force multiplication special ops. We're the ones galvanizing organizations. We're the ones with leaderless resistance. We're the ones conducting a counter terrorism, sting operation against you. Bill Clinton, you trader, you globalist agent, and you, Governor Bush, from your CIA, Brown and Harriman brother, banker, oil family. We got your numbers and we're galvanized and we are moving forward.

And I'm only the messenger and you be fully aware. You back down now or you're going to pay. I like to thank our sponsors. Oh, early ad pivot. Amazing. Oh God. You remember that speech in patent where immediately after he gives that whole fucking massive rah, rah, we're going to do this.

He's like, also, I would like to thank Nike for sponsoring our boots this year. Thank you very much. It's, it's wild to see that strategy still existing in the mid 90s. From the beginning, crazy. He's, that is a guy because we don't see, he was ad pivoting in the third grade, Dan. Well, I think the reason for that is that like he has to sell or thank sponsors. You know, he has to do that.

And that's sort of his natural inclination because at this point he doesn't have Ted Anderson. This is pre Ted Anderson, right? And Midas resources, Genesis communications network. Once he got on board with that, he didn't, he had commercials. He barely had to do any live reads for quite a while until he started selling his own shit. So at this point, he's doing that. And the reason we don't see those ad pivots for a number of years, when we're looking at like 2009 stuff, it's because he didn't have to do that.

Often at the end of the show, he'd just be like, not before we go, I'd like to thank our sponsors and hey, if you want to go get some water filtration, these are, that's a good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except for the points when he actually has those sponsors on air to do. Oh, he still does that on the local access show. No, no, I didn't see any evidence. But I'm talking about like in 2009, when he has like Steve Schenck on to sell

to make you afraid of food issues. Yeah. Or that shanked again. Or the, the, the soap limerick shanks for the memories. It's a great fallout boys. So the reason that I think this clip is really fucked up, isn't the ad pivot. That's delightful.

What is a force multiplication special up? That's his way of expressing that like each one teach one kind of thing. Oh, I thought that's what you were going to talk about. No, we, that's just sort of an idea of like, I'm going to reach more people and then they're going to reach people. That's, that's just sort of any, that's a feature of any kind of group that feels like they are recruiting. Yeah.

And that's, that's not too crazy to imagine. Sure. The thing that's fucked up is him using the term leaderless resistance. And the reason for that is leaderless resistance is a term that was coined in 1962 by a staunch on anti-communist colonel as a means to promote revolutions. The idea was that loosely connected, but not formally connected cells of decentralized actors could commit acts against an enemy whose numbers were far greater and still stand a chance to succeed.

This terrorism literally not necessarily kind of, but it doesn't necessarily imply acts of violence or anything like that. At this point, that kind of a strategy is all good and well, if that's what Alex was referring to. Because Alex complains about Bill Clinton in this clip, we can be sure that this rant was post 1992. This is important because the concept of leaderless resistance fell out of vogue in

the years after the 60s until 1992, when a man named Louis Beam wrote a notorious article advocating the use of leaderless resistance. Louis Beam was a door gunner in Vietnam. When he returned home to the States, he joined the Ku Klux Klan, eventually becoming the grand dragon of the Texas Klan. In 1982, he was arrested for kidnapping his daughter from his estranged wife, who ended up dropping the charges after receiving targeted harassment and threats from Louis Klan buddies.

He was known for not being at all not into violence, saying quote, where ballots fail, bullets will prevail. In 1981, Beam went to pay a visit to the Aryan nations compound in Idaho, which led to Richard Butler, then the head of the Aryan nations, visiting with Beams KKK chapter in Galveston Bay. This resulted in Butler declaring Beam a quote ambassador at large of the Aryan nations and served to bring the two hate groups closer together. In 1984, Beam was instrumental in creating the Aryan Nations Liberty Net,

the world's first internet hate site. He helped bring white supremacy into the modern age and gave white supremacists an online platform where they could come together to form a bulletin board. But most important to our issues is Beams 1992 essay, leaderless resistance. Here are just a few passages out of the essay that sound exactly like Alex Jones, quote, the passage of time will make it clear to even the more slow among us that the government is the foremost threat to life and liberty of the folk, quote,

we are cognizant that before things get better, they will certainly get worse as government shows a willingness to use ever more severe police state measures against dissidents, quote, the federal objective is to imprison or destroy all who oppose them. And then talking about some like dumber members among his ranks, the government, quote, the government they oppose has declared a state of war against those fighting for faith, folk, freedom and constitutional liberty. Using folk a lot.

That's kind of Bill Riley is using folk a lot, quote, America is quickly moving into a long dark night of police state tyranny where the rights now accepted by most as being inalienable will disappear. Oh, no. This sounds very similar to Alex Jones's rhetoric. Yeah. His entire essay reads as if it could have easily been written by Alex Jones, the constant exaltation of the Patriots, the references to command and control systems,

the specific terminology used to describe the American Revolution and how that situation is a perfect analog to the fight against modern government tyranny. It's all there. Given the timeframe and the extensive overlap of themes, I can't come to any other conclusion than that. Alex Jones was very inspired by Louis Beam's essay on the leaderless resistance, adding in that he was a Patriot from Texas. And the idea that Alex the idea that Alex wasn't into him becomes almost unfathomable.

White folk, huh? Well, it's worse than that. It's worse than white folk. What we have is the grand dragon of the Texas clan who served as an attaché ambassador with the Aryan nation compound in Idaho during the nineties, during the most extreme flare-up of militia activity, white supremacist, white nationalist militia activity. And you're saying he influenced Alex? Who were all inspired by Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City.

We see here, Alex Jones saying, we have the leaderless resistance, which can't be read in any other way in that context. In that time period. In that time period, the people who are listening to Alex Jones's show, they know that is code for this very seminal essay that was written by Louis Beam. Yeah, I don't see a problem here. I don't think that this proves dead to rights anything. No, I'm pretty much dead.

But I think that when you look at it from the prism of like, just, you know, the circumstances of the time, you look at Alex Jones, the certainly white nationalist tendencies he's shown since then, I think we get a glimpse here that Alex Jones might have been up to some real bad stuff. Yeah. I mean, you can say it doesn't prove anything, but at the same time, the Unabomber's brother knew it was him because he saw the pet phrases in his manifesto. Sure.

There's a little bit of where there's smoke, there's fire when you're using the same language as somebody else. And it's not like leaderless resistance didn't exist before that essay, but it was not very popular. It wasn't a term that was used since this kernel in the 60s. It was something that had fallen out of vogue, as I said, and was reignited in the patriot anti-government communities by Louis Beame in 1992. The fact that Alex is speaking after 1992 makes it really,

it makes it so hard for me not to draw a clear line between that. And I know we're just hinging on one word, or two words, but these two words are fucking important. Like the leaderless resistance philosophy is what guided the violent militias in the 90s. That is what, because they had this whole idea that if you had a pyramidal structure and you had a leader up at top, anybody who infiltrated and got up to a certain level would be able to burn everyone below them and possibly people above them. So if you had an upside down-

Like a Michael Cohen, if you will. Sure. If you had an upside down pyramid, there would be much less people at the pin, at the bottom of it, through the point of entry for possible loals that you'd be able to burn. And if there is no leader, if you just have cells of lone wolves or five people who have their little group, it's almost impossible for people to infiltrate them. So that is super, super important to the rise of the militia movement in the 90s,

that led to a lot of really fucked up stuff. Yeah. And the world we live in today. What does this show look like? It's a local access- It's crazy. It's a TV show, right? Well, hold on.

Before we get to that, I just want to say one more thing about Louis B. In his essay, Beam accurately lays out exactly the purpose a show like Alex's would serve to achieve. Some of the groups that do exist often serve a useful purpose, either for the newcomer who can be indoctrinated into the ideology of the struggle or for generating positive propaganda to reach potential freedom fighters. So it's almost like in this essay, he's explaining what Alex Jones's purpose would be. Proud boys! I don't know if they're generating much positive propaganda.

No, no. Someone like Alex definitely does though, and he whitewashes a ton of hateful rhetoric, a bunch of dumb narratives, and he turns them into things that people could use as an entry point. And we've seen like Robert Evans, the guy who does the Behind the Bastards podcast, he did a study, I don't know if it's a study, but he got a lot of chat logs from discord servers of people who are in white nationalist communities. They were all discussing like what their entry point was.

And the only reason I bring this up is it's super familiar, something you hear a lot. High number of people get in through Alex Jones. Alex Jones is a palatable, entertaining, very talented broadcaster who you get in with and then eventually you either turn on him because you think he's not talking about the Jewish question or something like that, or you just like, I want the harder stuff, so you go to someone more extreme. So like the idea that in Louis Pim's fucking leaderless resistance essay, he's talking about the idea of like this can be a useful purpose for the newcomer

who can be indoctrinated into the ideology of the struggle. The idea that Alex is saying, like talking about we use a leaderless resistance, after this essay had caught wildfire in the militia communities, I know that he's read that paragraph. Oh yeah. I don't know what I don't know what to think. I think he was influenced by a grand dragon of the KKK and probably has family members who either were or are in the KKK.

See now that's where that's where we get really presumptuous. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying he does. I'm just saying that with his family size that he likes to brag about, where he lives in Texas, the history he says that he has, all of that stuff, it's, it would be highly improbable for him not to have at least an extended family member that was or is in the KKK. He said he's related to Bedford Forrest, the guy who started the class. See there you go.

Like we already have that family connection. We've got that. We've got that. He's, he's been a KKK jacent for a long time. But this, this like when I, when I heard that it was very troubling to me because of this context around it. Like it's one of the more overt indications that Alex Jones probably has deep roots. Man, we were doing so good not being racist this episode Dan.

Totally. We had such a good run the whole time we were at the DMV. That was a delight. We're at the Grand Canyon. Yeah. He's a dick, but you still get to see the Grand Canyon. And now here we are back at the KKK and the Aryan Nation. Why you got to do this?

I told you there was a journey. We could have just had fun. Yeah. Sorry, but there's a, there's a reality to it that underlies some of that fun. It's very important to recognize that that sort of ideology that philosophy is behind it, even when he's at the Grand Canyon yelling at people, you know, that's the guy he is. Maybe we got the wrong acronym in front of his dad. Maybe he's not a CIA dentist.

Maybe he's a KKK dentist. Possible. They need clean teeth too, Dan. Right. I'm not judging. Yeah. White for white teeth. That's his white tooth nationalism.

White teeth for whites. So to answer your question from earlier though, about the show, there are clips that you can find of his show where it looks like more of a set. I think that's when he was on Austin community access. Yeah. And then he did shows from his own studio, which is just him in a black room. Like, because he's filming them at his dad's dental office, I'm pretty sure. Right, of course.

So he's just in the corner of a dental office with one light. And it's very low budget, but I mean, I think there's some more. The New World Order is coming in. There's more sincerity to it than what he does now for sure, at least visually speaking. But I'll say that most of these clips from this compilation were field pieces. Most of it is him out in the streets and stuff like that. And we're good. He needs to get back to his roots.

Yeah. He's in his recording studio castle, not getting out there with the people, yelling at poop from time to time. No, get back to the Grand Canyon. You mock. You start yelling at it. You mock, but yelling at poop is what put crews over the top. Is that what put crews over the top?

Yeah, totally. That one little shit splat got him over. Yep. Oh boy. So man, it's weird. I don't know. See, because I, when I think of him having a TV show on cable access, I somehow can't get past the idea of like, he's got a chair and he's got a couch and he's got the little end table

to the left of him. It's like a call in show. It's like a Mori style show. One of the only clips you can find on YouTube is of his Halloween episode and he's like taking collars while carving a pumpkin, but it's only like a minute long. That's great. Yeah. So anyway, this is interesting.

And I think that there's questions that are raised by this glimpse into the early career of Alex Jones for sure. That are at the very least answered in 2009. It seems like it, but it's weird to see like things that are so different and things that are so the same, you know, like the chai comms, yells about the chai comms all the time. That's never changed. No. White nationalism.

That's never changed. No, that's been there the whole time. Well, what's different? Doesn't need to go to the DMV anymore. You can mail in your registration and get a new license that way. I don't know. I mean, if you need a thumb print, you might still have to go in. And they know what they want your piss now too.

What would that, what would that even, what kind of addition to the facilities would a DMV need if it had both a urine testing and blood testing on site? I think it would be a huge, huge money waste. Look, the light. You need to hire a phlebotomist now too in all times. Phlebotomist, it's no good. So I don't know, man, I needed to go back to the past because the present is boring. And 2009 didn't work.

I think this scratched the itch, you know. It was great. It was great. Thanks. I want to go to the DMV now. You do? Yeah. I'm wistful for the DMV.

I've been mailing shit in. I haven't actually gone to the physical DMV in years. The, uh, the DMV. I want to give them, I want to protest because they won't take my thumb print, Dan. All right. All right. You're on to something here. The, uh, the DMV in Columbia, Missouri was the biggest hassle in the world.

It was the worst. It was too, it was so, it was like all the jokes about the DMV. Yeah. You know, and so like whenever I lived there, I was like, Oh God, I gotta go to the fucking DMV. It sucks. And then when I moved here, I needed to get a new ID. I needed an Illinois ID.

And so I thought like, fuck how bad it was in Columbia going to the DMV in Chicago is going to be the worst. I went, I was in and out of there. It was so awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a great experience.

Yeah. Was anybody protesting? No. Okay. No, not at all. Although this last time needing to get a new ID, when my ID expired was a fucking nightmare. But that was partially my fault.

Yeah. I realized there was a, there was a, you, you, you were, you were an active participant in the difficulties that you engaged in. I was pretty mad at them, but it was my fault for not having the right information. So that one's partially on me. Although I didn't need my birth certificate. No, but that's because you, uh, lasered off all of your fingerprints.

Sure. That was why you couldn't get that ID. Absolutely. Yeah. I don't want to get. You had to give him some blood first. Right. And piss.

Yep. Um, so anyway, uh, we will be back on Wednesday with a new episode and, uh, you know, we'll be back on Friday. But before and tell, you know, oh, also the, that's what I was stammering around trying to remember that Obama deception shit is going to be crazy. So thank you all for supporting us and, uh, getting us to the point where we're doing that and fuck all of you also because this is a lot of work. All right.

All right. Also, we have a website. We do have a website. What if you wanted to find us on a social media network? You can check us out on Twitter at, uh, knowledge underscore fight. All right. What if you wanted to watch the social network? You go to Hulu.

I don't think it's on Hulu. I don't know where it's streaming somewhere. But what was the movie about? Um, it was about a great, uh, performance by Jesse Eisenberg. That's what it was about. That was what it was about the whole time. That would be a fun movie is to actually make a movie about the great performance. Disagree.

I would not be funny. That would be a terrible movie. It was about Mark Zuckerberg who owns Facebook. Indeed. We have a group on Facebook called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. That's correct. A lot of fun over there. Uh-huh.

We're on iTunes. You can download. Tell somebody about it. Share, leave a review. We need forced multiplication. Yeah. Oh, we need forced multiplication. Each one to each one.

Somebody sigh up somebody else with a forced multiplication. Sigh up. That sounds great. So, uh, Oh, this one's all you. This one's all you, baby. The DMV. Someone's got to have died at the DMV.

This is the biggest like 80s joke set up. Someone's probably died at the DMV. He's never been to the DMV, Dan. The Lawrence and they ask for your fingerprint. I'm looking over a lot of these clips and a lot of them do involve death. I'll tell you what, Dan, on the day that Alex Jones went to the Grand Canyon, nobody died. You don't know that.

You don't know that for sure. Someone might have fallen. Why you got it? No, that's what I'm saying. But on that day they didn't. Like people have fallen into the Grand Canyon. You don't know when. You don't have any stats on that.

There's tons of stats. We can reasonably assume that no one died that day. On that day. But I'll tell you who may have killed a guy. Who's that? This one's not great. No, technically probably could have and did Alex Jones.