Knowledge Fight - #234: March 26, 2009

Episode Date: December 3, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss an episode from 2009 where they find Alex Jones wiggling his way out of his lies about the "Mandatory Service Bill," and welcoming the president of the John Birch Society onto the show for a very interesting interview.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, we are Dan. Hi, Dan. Strong reviews on me telling you to shut up at the beginning of our last episode. That was pretty great. Got a lot of feedback. Everybody loves it. Whether it be through our Facebook group or texts, people have sent me thrilled with shut up being our intro. Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. Do you have a question? It doesn't matter. I will do that in the future. Steel from The Rock.

I like it. That's a way better intro than me asking you a random interview question. It could be. Yeah. But do you have one? Yeah. What do you got? I was just thinking and I was wondering when was the last time you really felt stupid? You know what I mean? Not ignorant, but like, like generally stupid. Did somebody make you feel that way? I don't know if anyone made me feel that way. But when we did, when I did a lot of digging into Alex Jones's fortified supply website that he was running illegally and then spent hours writing it up and collecting the documents from the county clerk in Travis County and the secretary of state and working like in concert with one of our listeners out in Austin who looked up some stuff with me.

Like when I spent all that time and then sent all the emails to all these media people about like, Hey guys, here's a crime. And then everybody's like, go fuck yourself. I felt really stupid after that. Like because I really thought people would care. Yeah, I thought based on how many people write all these articles about Alex Jones being a dick and all that stuff like, Hey, on a silver platter, here's all the documents. Here is all of the here is the legal statute that shows that he's willingly subverting the law. And everyone's just like, man, that felt real dumb. Yeah. But was that handcuffing yourself to Twitter dumb? No, no, Laura Loomer's still doing. She's she's got me outclassed. All right. By by a wide margin, I would say that that was

very dumb. We're I was incredibly dumb. Yeah. Yeah. Man, a lot of thoughts about her. Yeah. And a political action committee. Hey, everybody. Turns out there's this political action committee called the millennial political action committee that's trying to raise funds to quote free Laura Loomer. And it is not what it seems. Go ahead and look into that for yourself if you want. Hey, anybody out there in the media, free story. Just look up who runs the millennial political action committee. We're we're very easy to get to the bottom of that one. We're going to be 0 for two on now. Thanks, asshole. So I want to make you should have told me to shut up. Shut up. Before we get into today's episode, I have two orders of business. One will be saying thank you

to some donors. But before I get to that, someone pointed out in our Facebook group, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant, that I was a little bit imprecise with my language on the last episode. And I want to give an apology for anybody who not for anybody, but I want to give an apology that I wasn't more specific in my language. When we were talking about Alex Jones's story, where he was trying to claim that the trans movement is about grooming children, I referred to the person in question as a cross dresser. And that was not the precise correct language. The person in question and the entire program is drag queen reading sessions. And there is a distinction between the two. And I apologize that I did not use the correct nomenclature. Yeah, absolutely.

My bad on that. You know, we try to be specific, but sometimes we just fuck up. Sorry about that. Beyond that, I'd like to say thank you to some people who have joined up and supported the show. We're very thrilled about that. First of all, I'd like to say thank you to someone who is now a policy wonk. Carla, congratulations on the policy wonk arey. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you Carla. Thank you very much Carla. Secondarily, I'd like to say thank you to someone else who's joined up with the team. Devin, you are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you Devin. Thank you very much Devin. Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody. Say thank you. Say thank you. I would like to say thank you. I was up late researching the millennial political action

committee last night. So I might be slurring a little bit. Thank you so much to someone who has joined up on a little bit of a higher level. So Mallory, thank you. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you Mallory. Thank you very much Mallory. We appreciate it also very much. So on today's episode, Jordan, we will be going over a day in the past. We are in 2009 and something major happens on this episode that I think is very worth our discussion. But this is going to be the March

26th, 2009 episode. For everybody who's paying attention, we skipped a day. We skipped March 25th, 2009. Yes, for everybody who's paying attention. And the reason for that is that episode is trash. Oh yeah? It's mostly just about the Obama deception and how great the movie is and all that stuff. Sure. I felt it would be a waste of our time to go over that. In addition to that, Alex does talk to Stan Monteith, one of his weirdo friends. Where do they get these names? It's not a terrible name. Monteith? Oh, that's great. I did actually want to talk about this, but we just don't have time. I would like to say thank you to Monteith. Your teeth? Yeah, exactly. That would be in French, that would be the singular, be May teeth. All right, all right.

So you got one big tooth? I wish. It would be easier to clean. So Stan is on and he's talking about how the globalists and all of these evil folks are Gnostics. And that's because Gnostics believe that the devil is God. And I wanted to spend maybe an hour talking about how that's bullshit. Yeah. And Stan Monteith is coming in and expressing these things and giving like a really stupid elementary version and understanding of Gnosticism. And that is, it's a disservice to Alex and his audience. But I felt like who gives a shit, right? That'll come up in the future and we could talk about it then. It's not worth talking about the 25th just for that. And when I got to the 26th, I realized like, yes, this is this is what we need to talk about. So today

we'll be going over the 26th. And here is an out of context drop from today's show. When I make films, actually go to the library to pull the quotes. No, you don't. No, you don't. I just heard him say the word library in a sentence. No. And like pass of the times that we've looked at his documentary is we found wall to wall fake quotes. Oh, yeah, you don't go to the library to pull these fake quotes. You go to like your patriot message boards. Yeah, you I if I saw him in a library, I would burn that library down. There's no way he should be in a he should I get even if he wanted to be in the library, which he fucking doesn't know because he doesn't know how to read. No, he should not be allowed in any library.

The library is the only place I can get access to in Karta. That might be what's going on. That might be true. So I use the public computers to look at porn. On our last episode, we looked at the present day episode where Alex in 2018 is talking about how, you know, news keeps coming fast. It's the quickening. You sang some goddamn Highlander song on the show. And I made the point that Alex always says that it's the quickening that was queen. Okay, from the question from Highlander to I know, but don't call it some damn Highlander song. That's a song, man. Look, capital S fine. I made the point that Alex always says that the quickening is upon us. And just to demonstrate that I'm not talking shit. Here's a clip from March 26,

really massive news day. I tell you, we always have huge news days now quickening worldwide on every issue and every facet of society. He always says that's too convenient. That's too convenient. It can't literally be a the next episode we do on the on it's not like you searched around for it. It was in our regular schedule and it's already there. That's fucked up. Well, it's because I don't like it. I don't like coincidences on that scale. It's not a coincidence. When I say that he always says this, it's because he says it every third or fourth episode. I just don't play it every time. Okay, the same with the summer of rage stuff. I could find you 40 examples of that. If I took the time to cut it out of every time him or Gerald Salenti or one

of his other guests says it, like it's not it's it's only quote unquote coincidental because I'm like, Oh, here, I'm going to punch this guy. Here's him saying the quickening like he does in the president. He always does that because it's a way he can create the perception that times are different than they were. When in reality, he's always selling the same panic. Yeah, always selling the same sense of urgency, because it helps him sell gold in the past supplements in the more recent past and junez multi-level marketing scans in the in the soon to be future. Once his warehouse is empty. Yeah, well, of course, I would I would love to see you try and commit to to an episode where you just start with each clip being him saying a summer of rage, and you introduce it like we were

doing a regular clip and you just keep on doing it. I would I would wonder how long you could commit to it. If I had started collecting all the times they said it a while back, I could do that right now. I could do that. I could we could do a whole episode of summer of rage clips. But I know but it has to be a surprise. It has to be a bit man and you have to commit to it. I understand that and I think I could do that. I think I have it within me, but I don't have it within me to go back and listen to all the episodes that I've already listened to. I'll work on it for the future. And by the time I have enough clips, you will have forgotten. I will have forgotten. Then it'll be perfect. We'll get there. Okay. And the audience will have forgotten forgotten twos. It'll all be

great. So in the next clip we have here, we get a little bit of an update on if you'll recall, the last time we were in 2009, Alex was fake crying on air a whole bunch about the mandatory service bill. Yes, that he didn't understand was a different version of the bill than had passed the house right and with a different version than it was even introduced in the Senate. All that language he was afraid of wasn't in either of the versions of the bill that are relevant. It was a is a former version of the bill. I assume he does not talk about it ever again. We get an interesting update on this episode where Alex, you know, in comedy, the, you know, when you try and make a joke on a joke, it's putting a hat on a hat. Yeah.

In this, Alex puts a lie on a lie, the propaganda hat on a hat. We got some good news there. You know, we, we break this stuff as it develops two days ago, that they had compulsory national service in both versions of the bill, then they dropped one of the two provisions out of the Senate bill. And the latest copy I read this morning, they have now taken it out of the Senate version, but it's still in the house version. There's five different compulsory service bills in the house, three different ones that we know of. And we're not omnipresent folks. We're trying to keep track of all of this with everything else. We got too many balls in the air. So that is good news. But the point is they're trying to sneak compulsory service through and they're

keeping the language in some of the house versions about, you literally can't do that to prepare for compulsory service. So he's trying to create the perception that like we got good news, you know, they took it out almost in some ways trying to imply that their warnings about it precipitated this, of course, taking the language out of the bills, maybe all of you info warriors out there sent letters to your Congress people and they got together and we're like, we will not stand for this in the house version of the bill. Sure. But in reality, when he started reporting the story, he was already wrong. The language was already out. So this is this is nonsense. Like, but it does answer the question that I had to take. How do you get out of this now?

Like when when he was crying about the bill, like, what do you do next when you're wrong? And you know, we did it. Mission accomplished manner. Basically, that's what you do. Yep. You maybe don't take full responsibility for getting the language out. But you pretend that something happened and the language is now gone. Good news. Good news, everybody. However, there are five bills, three of which we know of, two of which are secret crypto bills happen. No, that's not how that works. Haven't you ever have secret bills? Haven't you ever seen the Masonic version of Schoolhouse Rock? I have not seen the Masonic version of Schoolhouse Rock. It's about crypto bills and how they become secret laws. I'm just a bill and no one can speak of

me ever. I will kill all of you. That would be a different song. Yeah. So, you know, Alex is covering his ass a little bit because he realizes I played that narrative too hard. Yeah, that was a little I cried. I cried a little bit much. It felt good in the moment. And now I got to get out of it. 99% right. So he goes 99% right. He goes to break and then he comes back with one of his favorite goddamn songs that has ever been written. Is somebody turning the volume up? You bet. Is somebody cranking this? Oh, yeah. Is Alex like signaling like give me some more? Put it up. I need to jam. He's just playing this song. He's just playing the song. He's not even singing along with it. That's why I got to do

it. Now you got to do it after the renegade. So that's where I expected Alex to come in. Right. Unfortunately, he did not. Still going second verse still going with a rag tag. So he never comes back. He never comes back. The whole song plays and it goes back to break. The whole song plays. It goes back to break. Yeah. So I'm sitting there. I'm like, huh? Did he turn into an FM station while we weren't listening? I was like, what the fuck just happened there? I've never heard anything like that because he doesn't, he doesn't say like, I got a shit. I'm going to be gone for this break or anything like that. Like what happened? Alex just played an

entire fucking song and it didn't come back. But then after that commercial break, he comes back and explains what had happened. I had to take a shit. We are back live. I was just on cake. He goes right into cake. On the big talk stations in Missouri out of St. Louis. They said they wanted the three minute quote for their news and then it went longer. So I had to run that music earlier. I did an hour interview on a syndicated African American show out of Maryland. It's all over the country. The truth seeker and I'm not whining here at Russia today coming for an hour long interview. I'm turning down most the interviews because I just can't even operate or see my family. That's tough. He was on someone else's radio show during his radio show

and that's why he had to play thank God for the renegades and its entirety and miss an entire break. He wasn't on somebody else's show. He was on an African American show. No, no, no. That was a different interview he did. That was just, he was mentioning other great media appearances he's done. Right. This was a show out of St. Louis. You could just call it a show though. But it also seemed like from what I could get, like from what I gather in his language there, it sounded like it was a pre-taped thing. Like they were recording something that they would then use on the St. Louis station later. It doesn't need to be in the middle of your show that you do this. No, it's got to be then. And if you want a three minute thing, like not only

going to come in early, uh, could or do it yesterday. I don't know any of these things. I'm obviously about the Mayak report. There's no breaking news on that. If it's a Missouri station, that's obviously what he's going to be screaming at them about for sure. Yeah, absolutely. I don't fucking know. This is so unprofessional. He leaves his show all the time. He has so little regard for his own show when it comes to anybody else's show. Well, he knows it's shit. Well, Andy knows that other people have like non-crazy audiences or larger audiences. And he's like, I kind of need a little bit of them. I've got to turn these people crazy. Exactly. Exactly. They still have resources. I have depleted most of my like old man house phone. Doesn't have any more money.

No, old man house phone does not have any. He doesn't even have enough money to buy a cell phone. Get on the family plan. Old man house phone. He does have one of those giant evaporators though. That's true. Uh, the, you mean the one that's the size of a school bus? Yep. Yep. Uh, so in this next call, that's where he puts his house phone. It's a good idea. Good idea. Keep it wet. Yeah. In this next clip, what we do is we hear Alex going to the phones and a caller dropped by and he has some, he has a familiar song to sing. Joshua in Florida, you're on the air. Alex Jones, how you doing my friend? Good sir. Fantastic. I have some news as well with the Obama Deception. Great film, great film. I think it's pretty much the gateway documentary to get

the sheeple into the mix of the new order. It is made for people that don't know about the new world order. It's made to shatter the left right paradigm. It's made for people who don't know what bullshit is. That's what, that's how we should phrase that there at the end. It's for people who don't know that all of my experts are liars and Wayne Paul is an idiot. Wayne Paul is crazy. Crazy. Like crazy. He's insane. Like an anti-government fox. That guy is crazy. Even if you agree with the points made in the documentary, it's really boring. It's very boring. It's really bad. It's, it's pretty bad. But I mean, if I think that you're just coming to that from a rational perspective,

and I think that if you're someone who is emotionally invested in the idea that there's a new world order trying to kill your children, you might experience some of that really boring content differently because it's boring to us because we have the veneer of like, haha, this is stupid. But if you're like, this is, this is real information being laid down, I think you might, you might be engaged. I mean, I don't know, just from like a film standpoint, it's over, it's over long. It has serious pacing issues. Why do you need 15 names of the title card with like, you could just toss in like Timothy Geithner and then just call it. There's no counting for taste in the world because some people think Elf is a good movie. Oh, that's true. You know,

I mean, that I've had, I have arguments all the time with people about James Conn infuriates amazing James Conn. All right, it's Christmas is coming up. So now it's time to get into Elf. Once a year, I've got a complaint about Elf and it's time. Jordan, yeah, you know, my complaint about elf is right. I do not. You don't know. I know, I know, I've probably drunkenly yelled this at you. Oh, I'm sure. But I just, I filter out all elf related opinions. Okay, well, tune it out. Okay, all right. My problem with elf is that it exists in a world where number one, Santa is real. Yes, we know that to be the truth 100%. Secondly, in that world, we know that all parents must know that Santa is real because he brings their children gifts. Right.

So there is no reason for adults to act like Santa doesn't exist unless there's a conspiracy among all adults to deny the existence of Santa. See, now that's what the Obama deception should have been out about the elf deception. It makes no sense at all. The idea that at the end, Santa and his sleigh come through spoiler alert, and everybody acts shocked to see Santa, they fucking know Santa exists. How do they explain the presents that show up? Oh, Dan, I understand wanting to lie to your children or something like that with a cover story of some kind. But if you in your heart of hearts wake up on Christmas morning and you're like, holy shit, there's a bunch of shit here I didn't buy. What the fuck is going on? Clearly it's Santa. Do you not talk to your adult friends and like,

hey, on Christmas morning, do gifts just show up? Yeah, man, I thought it was just me. No, no, you can't do that. You can't do that. The entire, no, you can't. Look, if Santa is real, you have to then convince yourself he's not. Imagine the economic fucking nightmare it would be if you knew that one man could create all these toys. Oh, there's no, you would have to go find his fucking workshop. There's no doubt. It creates all of these fucking toys. He would destroy the total economy. The labor toys are already went out of business and there isn't even a Santa. The labor implications are they're devastating, terrifying. Who is regulating those fucking elves? Yes, absolutely. There's a lot of problems there. And like, my politics would like to talk about

some of that stuff. Yeah, but more importantly, I am infuriated that they didn't think for one fucking second about that massive plot hole in the story that everyone who has a kid knows goddamn well that Santa's real. There's no reason for any of the tension in that movie. So now hold on. Does Santa not bring adults presents? I don't know. I don't remember exactly, but I'm, I'm, I'm willing seems unfair. I'm willing to stipulate that adults buy adults presents. Okay, all right. I think that's pretty good. Like a universal conception of Santa. Okay. All right. I'm willing to buy that. I'm not willing. I'm willing to buy that. What exactly is your line? I'm not willing to, I'm, I'm even going to go further because originally

I said that anyone who has kids must know Santa is real. Anyone who ever was a kid must know. No, no, because their parents could be manipulating them and lying to them. That's true. But there is a global conspiracy. I would argue anybody with a younger sibling also must know Santa is real. Right. Because they would have become teenagers when they're, you know, their sibling was younger. Right. Right. And so they would have seen, holy shit. Like you're a teen, you got like a eight year old sibling and like, oh my God, I didn't buy that gift for them. No. Did my parents buy that gift? Please. What else is real? All right. That's the other thing. It opens up a whole can of worms. If Santa Claus is real, is the entire legend real? Is

Krampus real? Is the movie, the horror movie Krampus actually a sequel to Elf? Or Jack Frost, where the horror movie and the other one, where are they in the spectrum? I don't care. And who's Tim Allen in all of this? Look, Belzer isn't in any of them. So we can't connect them into one unified cinematic universe. But Elf is a fucking terrible movie. It's stupid. John Favreau fucked it up. It's John Favreau's fault. He directed it, man. He didn't write it. So what? He had some oversight. I want to know who was editing them. I blame everyone. All the way to the top, top to bottom, Farrell, Deschanel. You're all unnoticed. I'll tell you who's fine in all of this. Jimmy Khan. Khan, you're great. Stick with it. His character makes no goddamn

sense. Exactly. He's Jimmy Khan. If understood through the prism of he has to know Santa is real, his cruelty makes no sense. Why is he in denial of the idea that this guy's an elf? He knows full. Wow. That fucking Santa's real. No, this is just a regular illegitimate son issue. He just doesn't want to. That's the plot of the movie, right? He's actually James Khan's son. But he also thinks he's crazy because he's an elf. He is crazy. He's crazy. He's crazy. Look at that. You don't want that. It has nothing to do with Santa Claus and everything to do with he doesn't want that man to be his son. If you wanted to make a. He's just a shitty father. That's what it really is. If you wanted to make a darker version of the movie where Jimmy Khan's character is like,

yes, you are in health at Santa is real. I don't fucking want to talk to you or something like that. I might be more interested in character motivations, man. People need to you create a universe with a movie. You got to live in that universe. It makes no sense. Oh, Dan. Anyway, I'm sorry. This has been an annual elf complaining session, which will be featured next year as well. Yeah. See you next year. Yeah. But for now, this caller who loves the Obama deception has a little bit more to say. And again, much like Alex leaving his own show to go beyond another show, we see another indication that Alex needs outside influence in order to have his show be viable. And call local shows and say there's a new film exposing Obama and the bankers and what they're

really planning. It exposes that Bush is working with them as well. You know, so it's not a left right issue. And just say the Obama deception free at YouTube, free at Google, the Obama deception, the Obama deception, and just get it out to people. Yeah, you really want to sound like a lunatic. Glenn Beck's radio calling phone number if you want me to throw that out real quick. Is that cool? Sure. Go ahead. That's a one eight eight eight eight seven two seven two three. I'm going to go take a shot. She'll is from nine a.m. to noon Eastern Standard Time. And I want to encourage anybody in Florida to check us out at www.meetup.com backslash

or Lando 911 truth. We're getting pretty active. We're making up all kind of people here in Florida. And we just encourage all of you to get active, get aggressive, man. This is crunch time. We really have to get on the ball, ladies and gentlemen. Joshua, what feedback? Because you're very aggressive in what you're doing. God bless you. I salute you. You're a true warrior. What feedback are you getting from those that have seen the Obama deception? It's pretty, it's pretty amazing. Everyone that has watched it has said, wow, that's, that's just mind blowing. And they always want to know what else they, they come find out where to go next. Always send them to end game, send them to loose change, final cut, not 11 mysteries. And it's just, it's a new renaissance. Just like

you said in the film, man, it's really exploding here in Orlando, especially that's not, that's not inspiring. Nope. We're going to, we're going to add Orlando to the list of places along with Mississippi, yeah. Places on our list. I don't know. I mean, just this guy's perception that things are really popping off in Orlando doesn't mean it actually is, you know, this guy could have a very skewed version of, of what's going on. He probably does. He's on meetup and people who are telling him like, wow, it might be like that as opposed to wow. Whoa. Well, I mean, yeah, I was going to say, whenever you're like, Oh, where should I go next? Cause my plan is away from you. Right. Right. Anywhere else. Also, I would say, uh, where should you go next? Uh,

check into any of the things in that movie. That's what you should do before you blindly accept Joshua and Orlando's word. Go ahead and look into see if any of those quotes are real. Spoiler alert. They're not was nine 11 mysteries, a WB show for a while. I believe so. Like it was right after ghost writer. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was, um, before the CW. So Jordan, at this point in the show, I told you earlier that this, uh, this episode is pretty important. This is a big, this is a big episode, which, uh, really merits the ignoring of the March 25th. And that's because of a guest that comes up. And I'm going to tell you, spoiler alert, Patrice O'Neill shows up at the end of this episode. Really? And we're not

going to talk about that at all because this guest who comes up now is too important because it rewrites a lot of Alex's history. As we know, it's actually Bernie Mac, the precursor to Patrice O'Neill. That would be so amazing. Yeah. If he came on, he's like, Hey Alex, I'm scared of you, kick it. He's just there. He's like, Oh God, if you just did that routine, Oh hell yeah. Talk about the new old order. I don't know nothing about the new old order. Kick it. It'd be amazing. Best standup. I'm the original king of the new world order. God damn it. Kick it. I swear to God, there's nothing funnier than that set on B. It's amazing. So good. It's amazing.

Um, anyway, uh, like I said, this rewrites a lot of Alex's history. Uh, as we know from his telling of it, when he was 12, he found none dare call it conspiracy on his dad's bookshelf. Of course. And that turned him on to the new world order and he did some research. He read all these books. He never really specifies a lot of the books that he read. But he does talk about like Carol Quigley, uh, you know, he read, uh, uh, tragedy and hope and found out about the Anglo-American establishment, whatever. And we've, we've seen through tracking the narratives that he talks about and things like that, that what he's actually saying is that he found like W. Cleon Skousen's The Naked Capitalist and pretended that he had read Quigley. It just

knows the misrepresentations of them. And when he says that he read a lot of books, like I said, he never really specifies them. But in this next clip, giving an introduction to his coming guest, we learn what some of these books were. Well, the president of the John Birch Society. Well, this is going to be in studio. This is the next segment. He's doing a Texas tour. We'll tell you all about that in the locations is going to be it. So you can attend those very informative, um, John Birch Society material along with reading books by Carol Quigley and elitist and others. And the book under color conspiracy woke me up in high school, high school. And then I went to college and that was really a big wake up. Everything that I'd read from the

JBS and others came true when they told me the second amendment was bad. America was bad. One world government was good. Then I turned on CNN and they'd say crazy extremists. Say world government exists and they're dangerous. But I was like, wait a minute, I was just taught that at college. College. How does it not exist? And down the rabbit hole, I went. So, uh, great materials they put out and we're honored to have him here with us at the central Texas headquarters. So it turns out a lot of the books that he was reading were John Birch Society materials. Now it's interesting to me that Alex doesn't really talk about how influential the John Birch Society is to him on a regular basis. And I think that's probably because

they have the stink of being really crazy on them. So Alex likes to whitewash his influences the same way that he says reading Carol Quigley turned me on instead of saying, I read W. Cleon Scousen's Naked Capitalist because that people would be like, Oh, well, you just, you didn't read the actual thing. You read the lie about the thing. He acts like, no, I read all this all. I don't know. These are all my anti globalist influences. Doesn't really bring up the John Birch Society being a really important piece of it. I want to tell you about the John Birch Society. Somebody should keep, like John Birch Society books should be regulated the same way that like,

porn is like 18 or older. You should not be allowed to read John Birch Society books when you're in high school. That should be against the law. It's really tough to, I don't know if I agree with you necessarily, but it is really dangerous to have people whose brains aren't formed yet who don't have the adult critical thinking capabilities to be exposed to very intentional propaganda. Yeah, exactly. As is very clear with Alex, like his case study, it can screw up your whole life based on just internalizing these ideas before you're able to like think like, well, I don't know about that. Oh, wait, you're saying that you know about what the communists really were doing? Well, of course you, I, I'm committing the fallacy of,

you know, appeal to authority and I'm just going to go along with you. Exactly. So I want to tell you about the John Birch Society because I bet you don't know much about them. I know enough, which is that they are batshit insane. They are. We'll get to some of that. Some very prominent assholes have been members of the John Birch Society. Some of that. So the John Birch Society was founded in Indianapolis, Indiana on December 9th, 1958. Oh, I need to know by a man bad by a man named Robert Welsh Jr. Welsh named the organization after a Baptist ministry missionary and former soldier who was allegedly killed by communists in China just after World War Two. Welch chose John Birch as the name for his society because it was an obscure name, which is perfect as a template

upon which you can write your own story. Welch painted Birch as quote the first casualty of the Cold War. In reality, fellow soldier Jimmy Doolittle, who knew the real John Birch, has gone on record and said in his autobiography that Birch quote would not have approved of them using his name in that way. There's an inappropriate and disrespectful use of a person's name posthumously without their consent. Welch had been the proprietor before this of Oxford Candy Company, but the business went under during the Great Depression. Luckily, his brother James Welsh owned another candy company, the James O. Welsh Company. So after what? After the Oxford Candy Company went out of business, Robert Welsh just jumped over and started working at James's outfit. Hold on. What? Yeah. Hold on. Also,

you need to you need to reiterate that these two brothers both ran candy owned separate candy companies and it also speaks to the idea of like they're like, you know, we love competition. Like you ran competing candy companies with your brother. And when one of you went out of business, you just went over and worked at the other one in the same kind of against the idea of all these like in the same place. Yeah. Like they were both Indianapolis and they were both right. They operated in the same region. Yeah. Separate candy company. So when well, here's here's an interesting piece. While Robert was with James's Candy Company, they introduced junior mints, sugar babies and sugar daddies. Robert got crazy fucking rich on candy money and he retired in

1956 with candy money out the wazoo. So he invented junior mints. The brother of the guy who created the John Birch Society invented junior mints, junior mints. Well, it's unclear. That is wild. It's unclear who's responsible for the actual invention. It could have been the guy. It was actually John Birch. It was the first casualty of the Cold War. Right. And he invented junior mints. That's true. It's nuts, man. Like with that fucking weird neo-nazi guy inventing Skruples board game. And now we got the fucking head of the John Birch Society creating junior mints. The fuck are you people? Stop it. So finding himself bored, Robert decided to get more active in politics after his retirement. And when I say more active, it's because he had already lost a

race for the Lieutenant Governorship of Massachusetts in 1952 and was well down the paranoid anti-communist propaganda path by the time he retired. Rick Perlson writes in his book Before the Storm, Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus that early John Birch Society meetings were raucous social affairs and served an important societal purpose. They provided disaffected Republicans who felt that the other party was heading too far left with a means of organizing. And at the same time, they gave bored housewives something to do other than embrace the rising feminism. Instead, they could fight communism. It served this interesting dual purpose from a social and political standpoint for the right. Members would host monthly meetings

in their living rooms where they would watch videos of Welsh giving speeches and often write letters to the representatives about everything was happening in the world. Everything that was happening was a communist plot. It wasn't actually Welsh. It was just Welshmen. It was just a large number of Welsh people giving speeches. I would watch some of that. Once each individual group's membership reached 24, it would split in two, operating under the theory that smaller groups would be harder for communists to infiltrate. I mean, I guess that that does make sense. Yeah. In a bizarre twist that almost certainly would never have happened if there was more than five TV channels back then, the society blew up. Its membership rolls swelled after the 1960

election as anti-communist fervor began to go more mainstream. According to the John Burt Society, everything was a communist plot. Chief Justice Earl Warren, communist plot. American involvement in Vietnam, communist plot. The public school system, communist plot. Floor right in the water, communist plot. Their beliefs were so dumb that by the early 1960s, you had people like William F. Buckley calling them, quote, far removed from common sense and Ayn Rand even saying that their ideas were, quote, childishly naive and superficial. Wow. That is harsh criticism coming from someone childishly naive and superficial. After it came out that Welsh had accused Eisenhower of being a communist tool and guilty of treason, William F. Buckley decided to try and get him kicked out of

the leadership role in the John Burt Society, but was unsuccessful. From there, he began trying to sway conservatives from believing John Burt Society bullshit. And this thus his reputation of being a sensible conservative began from how they all wind up being sensible is like, Hey, hey guys, let's not be the absolute worst. Let's just be mostly the worst. And then you get the Maverick McCain label. God, they're stupid from Buckley's biography, quote, Buckley was beginning to worry that with the John Burt Society growing so rapidly, the right wing upsurge in the country would take an ugly, even fascist turn, rather than leading toward the kind of conservatism that the national review had promoted. That sounds crazy. What are you talking about? That would never happen. No.

outright fascism. Come on. Though they were on the outsides of everything politically speaking, for the most part, the society did massive recruitment work and largely used cheaply produced paperback books to disseminate their message. They were largely responsible for getting out Phyllis Schlafly's book A Choice Not an Echo, and Gary Allen's none dare call it conspiracy, both books that Alex was very inspired by as a child. In this era, John Burt Society was a fringe group seen by mainstream conservatives as basically raving lunatics. They weren't welcome at the table of the GOP, even Barry Goldwater broke ties with them, mostly due to the Eisenhower shit. Yeah, like the idea that they were Welsh was calling for treason charges against Eisenhower. He's like,

oh, no, you guys are you guys are fucking nuts. And I invented antsy pants. I don't like how they all invented some crazy shit. It's wild, man. There was a time when you could invent something and it would take over. You invent the greatest thing in the world now. And it's like, maybe get $5,000 or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. You get you get more for a good board game go fund me than you do. Oh, well, fair enough. So they were a fringe group and unwelcome in the GOP at that point. And they were until 2010, when they were allowed to be co sponsors of CPAC. Strangely, this was after the rise and influence of the very John Burt Society inspired Tea Party movement and conservatism. That I'll remind you is a movement that was funded almost entirely by the Koch

brothers, children of Fred Koch, founding member of the John Burt Society. Ah, not to put too fine a point on this, but the John Burt Society is basically the Tea Party in a past generation. As a former member, Carol Connor told it, quote, I always tell my liberal friends, you better stop laughing at these people and pay attention. The ideas you hear today coming from the right were generated in the 60s by the John Burt Society. It's new language, but the same ideas in terms of the intellectual framework of the GOP, it's the Burt Society every single day. And that is what we've seen. Yeah. So we're doing great. I think what we really need to do, Dan, is reach across the aisle and compromise. You know that the only way to reach out to these John Burt people is to

give them 99% of what they want all the time. Thanks, Democratic Party. You guys are doing great. Oh, I have bad news. Compromise is a communist plot. Oh, no. Shit. No wonder they wouldn't seat Gorsuch. Never mind. So we got, we got the president of the John Burt Society now as a guest on Alex Jones's show. He's already retconned a bit of his own history in terms of he doesn't talk about like the John Burt Society being super important to him. They fucking are. They believe every single thing he does. And there's, there's more to this than just that that I think is important that we will get into as we hear some of these clips. But here is McManus, Mr. McManus, the president of the John Burt Society, getting a nice introduction.

But Mr. McManus, it is just a great to meet you in person. I appreciate your tireless work at the John Burt Society over the last 40 years. Thank you. It's my pleasure. I tell people all the time I wouldn't miss this fight for anything. Boy, I tell you, everything you guys talked about has unfortunately come true. Well, it has, if you've already decided it's true before it happens, and then you just, it's self-fulfilling to a certain extent. So in this, in this next clip from McManus, we get a little tidbit of his history with the John Burt Society that tells me something that I don't like about this McManus character. On a personal level, I did three years in the Marine Corps after college as a lieutenant, and then I was an electronics engineer. And I

joined the society as a local member in the early 60s. In 1964, they asked me to take a staff position. Uh, excuse me, it was 66. So I've been on the staff of the Burt Society for 43 years. So his timeline with the John Burt Society troubles me a little bit. The idea that he was around in the early 60s is a problem because the John Burt Society was vociferously against civil rights. I was about to ask you, Dan, I assumed that they came down on the right side of history, but now I'm starting to think that maybe, maybe a lot of, now this is going to sound crazy to you, maybe a lot of these economic anti-communist ideas are not so much, uh, you know, inspired by the economics, and maybe they're more inspired by some sort of large movement of

people coming together, hoping for inclusion in the society that already says that they were included, even though they really weren't. No, you're just trying to force historical parallels. Oh, okay. So I mean, I'm just saying that maybe now the resurgence of the John Burt Society has something to do with, and it's crazy that it would happen right around the exact same time as a black president. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's very weird. It's almost like these were originated as purely racist organizations that built a veneer of economic semblance around them, even though those ideas are even more batshit insane than racism. It's an interesting thought, maybe. I will tell you this, that in October 1965, the John Burt Society made their big move.

They published a large... They killed Martin Luther King. A couple years later. Yeah, I know. They published a large advertisement in the Palm Beach Post titled, quote, what's wrong with civil rights, wherein they argued that the concept of civil rights was being pushed by, you guessed it, communist agitators to create division and bring down capitalism. Man, I bet they wish they had George Soros at that time. Uh, they do not like George Soros. That's interesting. Isn't that a surprise? We'll see how that plays into this interview. I wonder how they feel about Jews as a whole. They argued that, quote, the average American Negro has complete freedom of religion, freedom of movement and freedom to run his own life as he

pleases. Boy, these guys, these guys are dumb. Now, the argument that someone on the side against them would say is they don't have the right to participate in public commerce in places that put up signs that say no black people allowed. No, freedom of movement. That wouldn't be, no, you can't move into that, uh, public business. Oh, right. It's, it's a private business in terms of it being privately owned and operated, but it's still engaged in commerce with the public. I assume that these guys just kind of, you know, just like paper over the whole massive amount of lynchings that were going on. Well, you got to understand there's really zero freedom of movement there. I don't know if that relates to movement. Um, I would say that yes, they probably

just, uh, ignored that, huh? Fake news, maybe. Oh, okay. They didn't really bother with it. No, no, no, they have all of the, the rights, right? Mm hmm. Jesus. So yeah, they published this, uh, big, uh, it would have cost quite a bit of money back then is what's wrong with civil rights, trying to make the argument that it's just a communist plot. Black people have it fine. Why are you guys like black people don't want this and the white people are just being tricked into sporting it too. This is all bullshit. Say, fuck it. Should be able to discriminate. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Keep people out of the ability to operate in the economy. Well, the, the economy will solve itself. If you, if you don't want a business that excludes black people to

be open, don't patronize it, Dan. The free market will solve it. It's been shown that that works. This whole civil rights thing, that's just a communist plot to take over. It's just the government overreaching trying to grab. Uh, it's the nanny state is what it is, Dan. Yeah. So in 1963, Fred Koch wrote a book called a businessman looks at communism, which was widely distributed by the john birch society. In the book, Fred sounds an awful lot like both Alex Jones and flaming racists. Quote, you may be sure that the communists are fishing furiously in the troubled waters of integration on both sides. The communists are not interested in the aspirations of the Negro except as a means to stir up racial hatred. The colored man looms large in the communist plan to take over America.

I've been told by ex communists that the communist party has been influential in changing the relief laws in New York, Philadelphia, Washington, Detroit and Chicago to make it attractive for rural southern Negroes and Puerto Ricans to come to those cities. In the first place, the communist party intends to use the votes of these people to swing the balance in these populist states. Secondly, when the party is ready to take over these cities, it will use the colored people by getting a vicious race war started. Wow. 1963. I bet they I bet they would get that vicious race race war started in the summer. Doesn't this sound exactly like so much of the shit we've heard from Alex? Yep. Interesting. Fred Koch wrote that in 1963, in a book that was widely distributed

by the John Burt society. I wonder if that was on Alex's dad's shelf. No, come on. I wonder. I wonder if that was one of the books he read when he was 12. Why would you think that? I don't know. Maybe because of Alex's words. I don't know. I don't know. Oh, I thought this was the time where you would immediately play a clip of him saying exactly that. No, no, we are. I thought you had receipts out the wazoo on this one. We kind of already played that one. Well, that's true. That's true. So fair enough, less do you think that that out of context drop I played at the beginning of the episode was for no reason. I present to you, uh, McManus, president of the John Burt society, committing the exact same sin Alex Jones does all the time. They only want power and and

it's a it's a devilish determination to take power over mankind. One of the ways of doing that is economically, uh, was Myer Ansel Rothschild, the oh boy, the famous Rothschild banking empire. He said, oh boy, give me control of a nation's money. I care not who makes the laws. I'm guessing that's a fake quote will make the laws as I want them made. And that's where we are. So that is a fake quote. Um, most sources say that he, uh, Amshel, Mayor Amshel Rothschild said that in 1838. That's a problem because he died in 1812. So I couldn't have, uh, said the quote then the quote is usually phrased. Wait, so, so people say that he said it in 1838. A lot of the, a lot of the sources that, uh, link to that. Yeah, they say that, but I would imagine that some people like,

I've got the date wrong, whatever he said before he died 26 years. Who cares? That's a lot to get the date wrong. There's bigger problems. So the quote, well, yeah, the quote is supposedly permit me to issue and control the money of a nation. And I care not who makes its laws. That is the formulation of the quote. Unfortunately, no primary source for this is known. Uh, and the earliest version of that quote being cited is 1935. So 1935, a good, oh, over 100 years after his death, this quote shows up. And what just because it's a hundred years after his death, and there's no primary source and the people who say that he said it say that he said it 26 years after his death, doesn't mean it's not accurate. Dan, what are you going to tell me

now that just because the Bible was written several hundred years after the events it says to describe, it's probably not as accurate as maybe if it was written by a firsthand account. That's crazy, Dan. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. God wrote the John Birch Society lies. Well, see, the bigger issue is that this is a paraphrasing of, uh, of quotes that have been played out through history. The earliest version of this quote is, uh, from, uh, the 17th century Scottish parliamentarian Andrew Fletcher. He sounds like an on the up and up guy. This is, uh, uh, from, uh, him quote. I said I knew a very wise man so much of Sir Christopher's sentiment that he believed that if a man were permitted to make all the ballads, he need not care who should make the laws of a

nation. This is a paraphrasing of this guy, uh, Sir Christopher, uh, poet who said, let me write the ball, ballads of a nation and I care not who make their laws. Right. This is essentially him saying that if I can control the history, I can create the mythology of a country. I can create the, the national character with the songs we sing and that sort of thing. Right. So that is sort of a artistic, flourishing kind of talk of, uh, like I will create the character of the nation through ballads. That quote has been taken, morphed, repurposed to be an anti-Semitic slur against the Rothschilds as a, let me make their money and I care not who, uh, who makes the laws. This is complete bullshit. This is a fake quote. If you want to, if you

want to complain about the Rothschilds, go ahead, but you better come correct. Don't use this shit. Cause if you do, that means you're not serious. You're just looking for any convenient online meme nonsense, uh, posting of fake quotes in order to attack these people because they're rich Jews. That's what's going on here. It's nuts. I wonder what, uh, things that we say, uh, right now will in a couple of hundred years be used to demonize the Jews. What do we got? I think you and I are fine. I think we're in the clear maybe. No, I, I, I reject your premise. Uh, I reject your Jews. See, done. That was attributed to you 26 years after your death. So McManus, president of the John Burt society, same game as Alex using fake quotes in order to make their points about this

imaginary group of globalists that they're super against. What do you, what do you know? He does another thing that Alex does all the time. Uh, and it's also fucking stupid. Most Americans have no idea that the federal reserve is a private agency. It's not a government agency. You go to Washington DC and you pull out that big phone book they have and they have blue pages for all the federal agencies and, and the federal reserve is not there. It's not a federal agency and they, they take dictation from no one. So that's stupid. First of all, we already know that, uh, that's bullshit. The idea of the federal reserve being a private business. Then secondarily, he's like, you look it up in the blue pages. It's not there. I love that the evidence

is so silly. It's always silly. This was 2009. It's always silly. Who uses phone books in 2009? You look it up in the blue pages. What the fuck? You can't find the phone number. Come on, old man, Bircher, get out of the phone book. You look it up in the blue pages. Google it, dude. Come on. Come on. What the fuck? Can't you guys just say that you're racist? Can it, can't we not hide behind terrible economic ideas? Now that's interesting. You bring up racism. You know why? Because I would imagine that, uh, this McManus and people in the John Birch Society would probably say that this is just a coincidence, but there's a whole lot of white supremacist leaders who just happened to have been John Birch Society members. Robert J. Matthews,

the founder of the order, was a member of the John Birch Society. Tom Metzger, the head of the white area in resistance. He was a member of the John Birch Society. William Luther Pierce, founder of the national alliance, was a member of the John Birch Society. Thomas Rob, who would go on to be the national director of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was a member of the John Birch Society. That's only four. That's not a pattern. But these are like not Rob, not Thomas Rob, who just became the national director. The rest of those dudes founded important fucking white supremacist groups. Tom Metzger is a huge deal in neo-nazi white supremacist communities. Really? The national alliance is a huge group. The order is a very relevant white supremacist groups. These aren't

just groups like maybe some group you never heard of, some piddling racist group, uh, that just daughters around. Like, these are, these are legit fucking supremacist groups. Like, look, you guys are fucking racist. At least just don't get in the way of universal basic income. Like, why do you gotta do that? Why do you gotta mix them together? Communist plot. Oh, fair enough. And being against racism is a communist plot. Oh, that sounds right. Yeah. So, um, yeah, it's that they, they did kind of say that, that the communists want to, uh, incite a race war. So if you are, if you're against racism, if you are fighting for civil rights, that's a communist plot. Right. In order to start a race war. Right. Right. Right. So you should remain, uh, in a

quote separate but equal society. Otherwise the communists win. Yeah. It seems like that would be their argument, which seems, uh, convoluted. I'm guessing that the precursors to the John Birch society, uh, would be pro slavery. Uh, I'm guessing that the precursors to those guys would be pro colonialism. I'm guessing that no, no, no, almost like white people trying to defend all of their fucking actions. You don't even have to go to precursors. Like early John Birch society literature was specifically anti anti colonialists. They were pro colonialists. Right. They made the argument that in these places that, you know, white people had colonized, they were giving these people a great life there. They always argue that that was, that was a whole

thing. It's like these people who make arguments against colonialist efforts, they are also communist agitators. Right. So you don't even have to go to their precursors. Like if slavery was on the, like ballot, they would be for it. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I don't see. I don't see. I'm surprised they weren't on the like, let's bring slavery back tip. They kind of were. They mostly supported George Wallace. Okay. Okay. All right. Great. They were pro segregation. Great. We're doing great. Yeah. All of this shit. So yeah, you don't have to, you don't have to go to their predecessors. These people were it. Wow. Yeah. So we thought now we've seen in a very short amount of time that he's been on the show, we have him, McManus using the fake quote to demonize the Rothschilds.

We have him making the exact same stupid argument that Alex makes about the Federal Reserve in order to bolster his idea of the globalists. And now the two of them just get into a little conversation about Alan Greenspan. And I think you can get the sense that these two guys agree on almost everything. Did you see the clip on the news hour with former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan when he said, look, the president, the legislative, the Congress, no one can even question us or look at us because he was asked, what's your relationship to the government? And he said, there is none. We are a quote separate agency and are non-reviewable. So I mean, we know our constitution. We know our bill of rights. We know the separation of powers. It's all three

bring really doing each other. You really down dominant men. And just here is this private fellow reserve dancing around in public. We're not only secret and you can't audit us. No agency of government can even look at us and look at me to set up a new bank of the world that you pay your taxes to. I mean, this is just tyranny. It's tyranny. Absolutely. It's absolutely not. Now, you know, the idea of the right came from the Communist Manifesto. Plank number five. Sounds right. That's in Alex's documentary. Sounds right. That's in the Obama Deception. Came out of the fucking president of John Burt society is finishing, finishing Alex's sentences. And then not only that butting, adding in another thing that Alex talks about

this as a communist plot. Oh my God, you guys all believe the same stupid shit that everything is a communist plot. Cool. All right. Here's my new pitch. All right. We send Lin Manuel Miranda an email and we see if he is willing to write a kick ass musical about the auditing of the Fed. That'd be so boring. No way. It'd be so boring. You got Bernie singing. Come on. Bernie and Ron Paul doing sweet duets to each other. It'd be great. The big piece de resistance is a solo song that Ron Paul does about wait till you meet my son. He's like me but weirder. My brother's crazy. I love him. He thinks not so bullshit. That's in the beginning of the play or the musical as it were. It just a breakdown of

Ron Paul's feeling about his family. It'd be great. I'd love it. I'm going to veto sending that email if you don't mind. Are you sure? Yeah. Okay. But I'm not going to veto. It's getting into this next clip where that was a great transition. Thank you. Alex asks McManus about his feelings about the Obama deception and his review is interesting. I tried to give you a copy of the bomb of deception you got here but somebody had gotten you one of the internet burn copies but we've given you a copy now. I don't really know what your review of it is so this will be a virgin ground for me here but what is your take on the Obama deception? Well there's a lot of good information in there. A lot of information the American people need to know. Overstepped

and unfocused. I watched it on a little thing I have on a plane ride and I watched it on that and of course I wasn't taking notes or anything. I was just so I want to go back and study it some more. You didn't watch it? No. There's an awful lot in there that the American people need to know about. Name one thing. It was now in the White House. Name one thing. What you guys have always done. See that's kind of what I do. Name one thing. That's kind of the you know when someone is like you watch my comedy special or something. Yeah a lot of great stuff. I love that one bit. Yeah yeah it's super funny. Real good. That's the response you give when you didn't watch the thing. No no no. Yeah a lot of important stuff for Americans to know. I need to take notes. I was

on a plane. I had a little thing. I had a little thing on a plane. I was watching. I didn't take notes man but yeah it's important Americans need to watch it. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. Go fuck yourself John Bircher. So I want to make this clear. Throughout the time that we've been doing this show I've not been unaware that Alex is influenced by the John Birch Society quite heavily. There's never really been a good time to talk about it because he doesn't bring them up ever really. He doesn't he maybe brings up the Birch Society in passing like he'll make the claim that like his dad had some friends who were into the Birch Society when he was a child or something like that. He'll make that kind of a claim and that's not a good jumping off point to talk about

how overlapped these worlds are but because he has the president of it on now we get to talk about all this stuff a little bit and so I know that we're we're looking at this and being like oh look at all these parallels. This isn't necessarily news. It's just we have it in now. Right. So one thing you need to recognize is that everything that the John Birch Society believes Alex also believes. He doesn't talk about it because he knows that the connotation with saying that you're a Bircher means that you're crazy. The John Birch Society spends a lot of its present day effort fighting the same commie ghosts that Alex does. The U.S. sovereignty being under attack, fears about the North American Union, Agenda 21, the One World Currency, the evils of the U.N., fluoride in the

water, global warming being a hoax made it about you know bringing in carbon taxes, homeschooling being under attack, George Soros being evil. Right. Everything all the way down to communism being a satanic system that's fundamentally incompatible with Christianity. The smart money says that Alex generally doesn't talk about his ancestors intellectually being the John Birch Society because in 2009 he knows that they chose Glenn Beck. Oh, this is where things get really important. Fred Koch was a founding member of the John Birch Society through Freedom Works Americans for Prosperity and the Donor Fund. His children paid for the rise of the Tea Party to happen. This is not like some conspiracy theory we're making up. No, no, no, they did. This is all very

well documented. Yep. So you have the founding member of the John Birch Society that believes X. Years later, you have his children paying for the Tea Party that believes X. It's hard to think that's a coincidence. Come on, they're just billionaires. The public face, one of the main ones of the Tea Party that was being funded by Freedom Works very clearly has been proven was Glenn Beck. He was making tons of money from Freedom Works, the Koch funded Freedom Works. It's almost impossible to not look at that and be like, Alex Jones probably knows about that back then. He probably knows that, yes, absolutely, the forces that brought about the John Birch Society and have brought about the Tea Party, they chose their horse and it's not him. It's Glenn Beck.

So I think that's why he- So part of it is just base level pettiness. Sure. But I also think having the president of it on here, it may be signaling that he wants- He's trying to get in. Yeah. He's trying to get some of that sweet, sweet cash. Yeah. I got you. Yeah. I think, well, and not to say that he wouldn't kiss his ass anyway, but I think that this is a significant overture of I want in on what you guys are doing, which is the Tea Party. Okay. I think that this is a major turning point. And Alex, you'll see in this- Does he have a money bomb in like three weeks? I don't know. I do know that in the course of this interview, Alex changes a couple of his positions that we've seen very clearly. And here's the first

one. And I think it's major. This is after a conversation about the AIG bailout. And that's only one of many globalist organizations. And there's no discussion of the franchise owner of the big billionaire George Soros, David Rockefeller, Rothschild types, who were actually getting the money from the bailout. Meanwhile, they divert everybody with, oh, look at these CEOs who work for them. As you said, getting a pittance, a tiny fraction of the real money. George Soros was a target of Glenn Beck's probably because the John Birch Society was already on the Soros tip at this point. Alex knows that at no point in anything that we've listened to up till this point has Alex listed Soros along with Rockefeller and the Rothschilds.

It's always, he's mentioned him twice, perhaps. And it's always just been in the sense like, this guy's rich, he's an asshole or something like that. I'll look into him. Right. It's never been the Soros, Rothschild, Rockefeller, combine these, this class of people. That is big. That's a major thing. And the fact that it's happening in the middle of an interview with the president of the John Birch Society, I refuse to believe that that's a coincidence. He's trying to impress him. Oh, yeah. That's what I take away from that. Jesus. This is, this is kiss-assing on a stupid level. This is a bummer. I don't know what to make of it, but I don't like Alex supplicating himself to dumber people or, well, the same dumb people. It's not our ballgame to pretend that we know

what's going to happen or anything like that. All we can do is read the situation based on the awareness that we have of where Alex goes in the future and what he has been in the past. But I see that as like almost a moment of, yeah, I mean, calling it supplication. It feels a lot like that. It feels, it feels like I am going to, I'm going to have you on my show. I'm going to demonstrate how much we agree with each about almost everything with each other. And I'm going to say things that I haven't said in the past in order to be more in line with you with the hopes that I get some of that sweet, sweet money that comes. Oh man, he's groveling. It's not groveling because I think they're having a great time. I think that there is, there's a lot of stuff that

I haven't included just because there's like 15 minutes of them agreeing about everything. Right. In non-specific ways. Compelling radio. Right, right. It's kind of like, I don't, it doesn't do us any good to go over it. But I think, I think that what we see here is angling quite a bit. Man. And, and get this, I think that this next clip even further demonstrates that. But the people are saying, oh, okay, at least they're doing something right. No, they're not doing something right. First of all, if a company wants to give somebody a bonus, it's none of the government's business in the first place. That's right. That's right. It's another, that's another principle. That's right. It sets the precedent to come in and regulate every facet of the economy.

And now that's the new power. Alex, in the Obama deception, made a huge point of complaining about the idea that these banks used bailout money to give people bonuses. Yep. Days prior to this, he was screaming about the idea of giving people bonuses. He has the John Birch Society president on his show. He's like, Hey, who cares if they're giving people bonuses. Alex is like, absolutely. And it sets the precedent to, he is, that's a direct contradiction of the Obama deception and his stated position within days of this episode. That's fast. That's crazy how little his principles matter. That's quick. That's nuts. When I heard that, I was just like, Alex, you pathetic sack of shit. What are you doing? Yeah, oh, it's great that they're giving people bonuses.

The business is right to choose to do that. Fuck you. Wow. Fuck you. Does he get money? He better get some money for that, right? If you sell out your principles that hard, you should at least get like a stipend. I mean, we can't confirm anything yet, but my gut says yes. And as we learned on last episode, our guts are psychic. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Fair enough. I mean, I think Occam's razor tells me that that is large. Like I think that that, yes, I think he starts to get money. Yeah. And it's hidden through various ways. Right. I think that that's the case. But for us to make that sort of declaration, it would take a lot more proof. And we don't have that yet. But maybe we will eventually. And maybe we're wrong. Who knows?

I don't know. But I do know that this is a pathetic display of a man who wants to impress the John Burt society president who clearly has ties to organizations that are funding the rise of the Tea Party, which is just a resurgence of John Burt society philosophy. And in terms of crazy right wing ding dongs have already chosen their horses. And that's Hannity and Glenn Beck. And Alex Jones is left out in the cold, at least at this point. So that's all I got to go on. And I know that that status quo doesn't stay that way. Man, this is such a bummer. It's such a bummer. I clearly did not know as I didn't know that much about the John Burt society. But now what I really know is that everything that they say as dot, dot, dot, because we don't like non white

people. Or I mean, they would say communists. Sure. So whatever. Sure. But whatever. Historically, we've seen that happen a lot. Yeah. So now we enter a number of clips where it's just clear that the two of them agree on pretty much everything. And Alex Jones's narratives probably come from some version of reading John Burt society talking points. Can you speak to the phony carbon taxes in the environmental movement? What that's really about? Because you've exposed that. Well, first of all, global warming is a charade, in my view. Yes, temperatures go up and temperatures go down. God, I hope you died of forest fire. Or automobile or hairspray or any of that stuff. This whole global warming thing is a charade of farce. And what it's designed to do is to give

government more power. Once again, you see the same thing. So they decided to coral reefs, but they have to have carbon taxes in order to shut down more of America's industrial power. So he exposed this is all about carbon taxes. Gotta bring those coal jobs back, Dan. Alex is in that clip, even giving McManus and the John Burt society credit for having exposed that they're just trying to get carbon taxes, which is Alex Jones's stated position on it. He's giving that he's again, it's even more supplication. I only know this because you exposed it. There's no way that they would have that belief. I mean, it's not like a carbon tax would adversely affect some massive energy corporation that's funding the John Burt society and the Tea Party. That

couldn't possibly be that would be a conflict of interest, Dan. These guys are nonpartisan. Wait a second. Trying to break the left right paradigm, Dan. Hey, Jordan, here's the thing is like you might be saying that the Koch brothers and their foundations have been known to pay climate deniers and also the, you know, the fossil fuel industry and big tobacco have been known to pay people to muddy the waters about climate change and that sort of thing over time. You're, you're a fool. Okay, good. That's just because they know that that's the truth and they want the truth getting out there. And the truth is that carbon dioxide is great. And the United States is going to have to pay taxes in order to continue doing any industrial activity in order to solve a problem

that's not going to be solved by cutting back on carbon. Carbon dioxide is wonderful. Carbon dioxide is something that all plants eat. You want carbon dioxide. If you have carbon dioxide, you're going to have better, better trees, better bushes, better crops, better everything. And it's just bonkers. Everything's backwards. And we got all kinds of experts out there. We got these experts in the economic field and experts in the so called environmental field, people like Al Gore, if he's an expert, I'm a, I'm a Martian. But I'm going with my gut on this one, Dan. I know all these fucking scientists who've spent all of their lives studying this shit are saying nonsense, but that's all part of the communist plot. Me, I don't know anything. I don't even know how carbon

dioxide works. I don't know how the environment works. I don't know anything about anything. Listen to me talk. I just said carbon dioxide is great. I was in the army and then I've been involved in the John Birch Society for 40 years. So of course, I am an expert. I have all the information. Right. My gut says that everyone is wrong, but me. But this is the stupid, like you just saw a sort of an articulation of the stupid talking point that all of these people who get money from these, like these special interest groups put out, and it is this idea of like carbon dioxide is good. It feeds trees. Yes, no one is saying get rid of all carbon dioxide. The issue is about excess carbon dioxide that has been put into the atmosphere and that we

can track since the beginning of what the industrial revolution, like the science is very clear about that stuff. But when you muddy the waters and you're like plants needed to grow and stuff, you're trying to get rid of plants. Right. That sort of thing. You appeal to really stupid people who don't understand what the topic that's being discussed is. And that is a tactic that is very specifically done by these people whose bottom lines would be hurt by making progress towards saving and protecting the environment. So I'm sure they're against deforestation, right? Because they want carbon dioxide to feed trees. They care so much about trees and plants. I honestly think carbon dioxide is great. I don't. I'm guessing that they're mad about the rainforest

dying. That doesn't. They're being destroyed. That doesn't come up. But if I had to guess, I think you know what I'd say. Oh, so they, no, no, no, but they can't possibly before cutting down trees because they know, as he's just previously said, that trees need carbon dioxide to live. So if they cut down trees, then there might be too much carbon dioxide. Right. I think their position is very much like that movie medicine man starring Sean Connery. Okay. Which is chopped down the forest. And if that's not the point of that movie, their point isn't that movie was terrible. So chop down the forest as a punishment as a punishment for making that. I watched that movie when I was eight. Don't remember what it was about. I just assumed it was about a medicine

or a man or perhaps a man made of medicine. I think it's about how there's something in a rain forest that's required to make a medicine and people are chopping down the forest and they got to protect the forest. I don't remember. Maybe I should rewatch it. Maybe not. Also, Sean Connery in Highlander 2. No, Highlander 2 do not watch. But Sean Connery does not make any sense. Anyway, space. I do. So in this next clip, we see that the two of them, Alex and McManus, both have the same sort of stakes that they're applying to the idea of what happens if the globalists win. What will the new world order look like when they finally put the capstone on the pyramid? Well, first of all, everybody will be a slave to government. You will be working

for government if you have a job. And secondly, I believe that there will be a physical extermination of many, many millions of people. Sure. They've done it everywhere they've taken over. They did it in Russia. They did it in China. They did it in Laos. They did it in Cambodia. All the same people. All of which have, I would say, notoriously fascist governments have everything to do in common with each other. So but I just want to illustrate there that they use the exact same apocalyptic rhetoric about what's going to happen if our side doesn't prevail and that sort of thing, which is hallmark of manipulative fucks. Our fascism good. Your fascism bad. So we have one more clip left. And I think although this clocked in shorter than I expected it to,

I kind of thought that this might take a lot longer to get through. I figured you'd be screaming more. I mean, this is all very interesting to me and whatever. I'm just learning. I like to learn. I thought it would take longer. And that's one of the reasons why I was like, we don't need to cover the Patrice interview. I felt like we, you know, we can do that next time if we need to. Yeah. Or whatever. But I figured that the meat of the birch, the birch meat, the birch meat, yes, would would sort of be a lot more. But I don't mind. I don't mind us having an hour and a half episode or whatever. I don't give a shit. It's it just it confuses me why this is attractive to people who are otherwise like, I don't understand the radicalization process

that you go through in order to get to the John Birch Society. It's the it's the same way that I really talk about back in the 60s. It makes total sense. Right. Well, and even now it may, I guess, like the funneling of all of these children and all that stuff through Twitter and pushing them all towards these white supremacist groups. I don't understand how you don't at any point go, okay, I'll look into that and then do that. How do you not do that? I've never taken a position that I've just accepted from somebody. Yeah, I think a lot of it comes down to the recipient of the message's circumstances, like if they're in a place where they're really receptive to hear a message, right? Like, you know, I was a really depressed kid and church was able to grab

me a lot more easily because of that. I overrode a lot of my rational thinking to get into a southern Baptist fucking church, right? You know, that there is a time and place in your life when you're most receptive to messages that don't necessarily make sense. And I think that you cast a wide enough net, you put out tons of cheap paperback books all over the place that are your propaganda talons out into the world, you put out a million books and maybe you get 75 people that respond to it. That'd be a terrible batting average. Yeah, that's a thousand books and 50 people respond. Let's say that that sort of batting average. Yeah. And before you know it, you got a lot of people indoctrinated. I think that's, you know, you just accept it's the same thing with everything they

believe is contradicting itself. It doesn't make a goddamn bit of sense. It does. If you assume that everything is the communists, because then, like especially crypto secret communists and things like that, because then you can just, I mean, you can wiggle your way out of everything. I just don't understand how you can pretend to have a, or how you can have a stated belief of we are against any kind of control, but any kind of regulation, any kind of anything. And yet at the same time, your entire stated purpose is to dominate other groups. I think the only question that I really have is how do you not realize that if you are, if you are essentially arguing for this like Darwinistic survival of the fittest, wherein whomever is on top is correct by virtue of being on top

and whoever is lower, do you not get that it swings both ways and eventually it only swings, you will be the lower rung. It only swings both ways if the creeping communist government forces allow the people on the bottom to have anything, because if they don't have anything, they'll never get to the point where they're a threat to the pendulum swing. No, that's not true. Yeah, it is. No, what? No, that, do you not remember? What? The Dominican Republic. It was all the government. Oh, okay. Communists. Wait, did nobody overthrew the government? No, communists. Oh, okay. Damn it. I don't know. I can't win. Nope. But in the same way that we talked about on the last episode, I think the idea of engaging with some of these circular

beliefs is just quicksand. You know, it's almost not worth it to get in. Whenever you just have people who make up their own version of history in order to serve their rhetoric, it's just a trap. It's not, it's not important. Well, let me write the history and I care not who's in government, I guess. Sing the ballads. Yeah. So less do you think that I wasn't going to go out on a racist note. Here is the last clip we have of Alex and the president of the John Burt society having a real fun time. Barack Obama. Oh, boy. I mean, this guy is handled by the elite, the most elite of the elite. Have you seen his birth certificate yet? Isn't that amazing? He could put an end to all of this speculation by simply producing and he hasn't done it. You could put an end to all this speculation

by not being a racist fuckhead. I wonder, I really wonder this. I don't know. But I wonder if McManus has ever seen fucking George Wallace's birth certificate. Do you demand George Wallace's birth certificate? I actually would like to see George. I'm just saying, did you? No. George HW Bush? No. Reagan? No. Clinton? So I mean, look, what we have here is, you know what we fucking have here. It's interesting to me. And I think what I will probably need to do is look a lot more into all the specific books that were coming out from the John Burt society back in the, in the time that would be relevant for Alex's dad to have them in his, his catalog, because I guarantee there's a lot more we could learn about where Alex's ideas come from when we

understand more of what the literature that they were distributing back then was. Because it's one thing to say, like, he was very inspired by scousin and Quigley. And that's absolutely true. That's not, that's not not true. Right. But there's clearly even more in there. We can get a more robust picture of it with more data points. Jesus. So I would like to, I would really like to have talked to his dad, like when he, when Alex was growing up, like I would like to see not in like a, like in a dental chair. You know, the government is getting in the way of your teeth. I'm telling you, they're, they're insizers are a communist plot. That actually is true. Wisdom teeth, they don't grant you wisdom. No, but they did before the government mandated that you take

them out of your head. Well, because of all the fluoride that runs over them. Exactly. It erodes the wisdom. It erodes the wisdom. Absolutely. That's science. And they love carbon dioxide. Wisdom teeth. Look, love carbon dioxide. I, I'm not, I'm not one of these guys who's like, what were you saying? But I do want to know what you were thinking when you said you wanted to talk to Alex's dad. I would, I would like to know if he, because he's clearly like he has to be even crazier now. Yeah. Like I would like to know what it was, because this would have been what, the 70s? He's the HR director of infowars. He has to, he has to be even crazier though. He has to have gotten more radicalized. But like, what was he like in the 70s and 80s? Was he this much

of an open? I think he was obviously a bircher. Yeah. No, for sure. I think 100% he was, and I would believe that when Alex tells the story of like, my parents had some friends who were involved in the birch society, I would, they were in a birch group of less than 24. And I would guess that maybe they met at Alex's house. Yeah. I wouldn't be too surprised by that or his parents went over to other people's houses and hosted it there or whatever. I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that. I don't know. Yeah, it would be interesting. But yeah, I think it is kind of unfortunate that at the very birth of their group, the very birch of their nice. Oh, also that last clip was called John Berther Society. Nice. Go ahead. The guy literally organized it like a terror cell.

Like it can never grow above 24. So we're harder to detect. It's very similar to Louis Beam's leaderless resistance thing that we were talking about the idea of how these white nationalist cells operated. Yeah, you guys are a terrorist organization. Except they had a leader. So that isn't the same. But yeah, the idea of keeping things small to avoid infiltration is obviously very, very, very consistent throughout Alex's seemingly different worlds. Man. Yeah. So can we just finally call these guys terrorists? I don't know. I mean, he does have a show called Info Wars. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, information terrorists. Yeah, exactly. But like, I don't, I don't know. I mean, they inspire terrorism. They nurture people's tendency towards

terroristic acts. Yep. They apologize for white terrorism whenever it happens. Not like, hey, sorry about that. They're apologists for it. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, that would be a, hey, we're the Berther Society. Sorry about that. Sorry for all the white terrorism. That's kind of on us. We still think our economic ideas are great. Yeah, we're right about everything. Yeah, that was on us. Oh, sorry. We maybe had a role in the Aryan resistance. No, no, it happens. We disavowed any knowledge of that. He's still invited to all of our meetings. We've made it very clear we kick out people when they're overtly racist. Great. Great. Cool. Yeah, I don't know, man. I would say I'm reticent to label anybody terrorists or anything like that. Last they

commit terrorist acts, but people in this world are terrorist adjacent. Yeah. Anyway, this has been the show. Move it back with an episode on Wednesday. But until then, we have a website. It's johnburtssociety.org. No, it is not information there. I want you guys to read down. Sorry. It's not. It's not. We also are on Twitter. It's at johnburtssociety. No, it's not dad. I don't even know if that's their handle. It's at knowledge underscore fight. We have a Facebook. We're on Facebook. We have a group go home and tell your mother you've joined the johnburts society. No, it's not. It's a go home, tell your mother you're brilliant. Also, we're on iTunes. You can leave a review, subscribe, all that good stuff. Dan, I'll tell

you, I don't know for sure, but I know that the johnburts society has influenced a lot of people, but I don't think our boy over here, McManus has ever actually killed a guy. Interestingly, I can't find details on this. It has nothing to do. Oh, no, he did kill a guy. It doesn't have to do with murder, but I just want to tell this a little. It's murder adjacent. A little bit, sort of. So the first president of the johnburts society was Robert Welsh, the guy who was the candy and prosario. Right. Right. Again, I don't like that being true, but fine. When he stepped down, he got replaced by a guy who served as president for less than a year because he was in a plane that got shot down by the Soviets. Really? Yeah. So he died. And I think so he actually legitimized

the whole communist plot in the first man. That's unfortunate. Then Welsh had to come back as president of the johnburts society. He came back out of retirement. We got one last job. Exactly. I'm getting too old for this shit. I'm just eating my junior mints over here. And then when this McManus guy took over, I couldn't find details about this, but apparently it was a bit of a coup in the organization. He had, it's described in multiple places where I read about it as sort of almost a hostile takeover of the johnburts society and has been the president for many years. So McManus politically killed a guy. Yeah, let's say that. Okay. But Alex Jones technically probably actually killed a guy. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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