Knowledge Fight - #237: March 27, 2009

Episode Date: December 10, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan pick up their exploration of Alex Jones' career back in 2009, and find Alex taking a stand and changing his position about Glenn Beck. He also spends about a third of his show talking to a "doctor," and supporting medical advice that will seriously hurt his audience.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Yes, sir. Dan, what up? What's your favorite holiday candy? Favour. Oh boy, that's interesting. I don't know if there, I mean, because you could get into like weird, like Halloween things because it's such a candy based holiday. Yeah. You have all those like Reese's pumpkins around delicious the fall. Oh, massive. I would say peppermint bark is probably

peppermint bark. I love peppermint bark. Oh, that's disgusting. At least peppermint bark. But well, yeah, but that's because who knows when there might be a snake that's going to pop out of a peanut brittle can. That's just, of course, you don't like peanut brittle. Too many bad memories. What do you got against peppermint bark? It's a perversion of what chocolate should be. That's great. There's a tradition in my family of like, one of my aunts sends me every year for forever. They send like a tin of William Sonoma peppermint bark every year. Don't they make jeans? No, I don't think maybe maybe. I think you're thinking of diamond gusset. No, I'm pretty sure William Sonoma makes it. I could be wrong. Could be. Yeah. So yeah,

get that. It's always just sort of like a nice yearly thing. Yeah. I like it. I like the flavor. It's great. Peppermint chocolate goes well. What's yours? Sentimental. When I was growing up, my grandma would give the entire, all of the kids in my family, these like commemorative lifesavers containers. Have you ever, do you remember those? Those suck. Terrible. They taste awful. They're awful. If you say the like rum, buttered rum one. Oh, those are good though. No, they're not. Those are delicious. Oh, yeah. That's your sentimental favorite, the book of lifesaver rolls? No, no, no, no. It just holiday candy just makes me think of that nonstop. The answer of course is Reese's fucking Easter eggs. Okay. The single greatest candy that's

ever been made. If you said Cadbury egg or boo or peanut brittle, wrong. Throw you straight out the window. Peanut brittle. Who would say peanut brittle? Old people. I don't know. Fair enough. I know a bit about these here holiday candies, but I know more about Alex Jones and I know little to none about both. And that's our show. I guess. Yeah. I guess that's our show. Lately we've been pivoting and we're going to pivot more in the future. Yeah. It's talking about candy. Yeah. No, no, no. That's where this was always going to be. Yeah. Central theme of our show. It's going to be a damning expose of candy people because John Birch society. Right. Right. Yep. Is a candy man. We've got all together the Willy Wonka of libertarianism and racism. Indeed. And

that is appropriate to bring up because today we're back in the past. We're in 2009 and we'll be going over the March 27th, 2009 episode, which is the day after Alex Jones has had the John Birch society president on the show. And it's interesting to see what, what happens in the immediate aftermath of that. Anything is possible. Oh boy. But before we get to today's show, I'd like to take a moment to say thank you to some of the people who have signed up and are supporting the show helping us keep the lights on as well. Nope. No, you're not allowed to say that. I am allowed to say thank you to our new one of our new donors, Michael Z. Thank you so much. You are now a policy Wonk. I'm a policy Wonk. Thank you Michael, thank you very much. Also I'd like to say

thank you to Bryce. You are now a policy Wonk. I'm a policy Wonk. Thank you. Thank you very much, Bryce. Also, Tracy with an eye. Tracy with an eye. Thank you so much. Dangerous. You're now a policy Wonk with an eye policy. No, no, no. I'm a policy Wonk. Thank you so much. What a dick thing to do. Why is it a dick thing to do? I'm celebrating the fun spellings of people's names out there in the world. Get off the horse. All right. I'm sorry. Defensiveness about why. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Also, I'd like to say thank you to someone who has come in on a little bit of a higher level, and we appreciate it also very much. So Bob Soul, thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy Wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

Someone Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser, little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. Thank you so much, Bob Soul. It must have been, oh, it's one word. I was going to say, because that would have been real tough to live through 95 with that name right there. Why is that? Because, well, a certain Bob Dole was running for president. Oh, that's true. That's true. I was thinking if it was, you might be confused, like maybe you're a relative of Jimmy Soul. If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman, but your wife, so for my personal point, I'll do it. It permeates popular culture. That's

all. Everyone knows that song. Of course you would be mistaken for him. Naturally. It's just so prevalent that song, dad. God damn. That song in high school, I was in a broadcast production class. The only reason I know that song, or I could probably sing it off the top of my head. Yeah, it's weird. It's because that was the Friday song that our teacher played in our broadcast production class in high school. It would always be like, it's Friday, put on, if you want to be happy for the rest of your life. That's what your teacher would do. I guess it's because that's torture. What was your teacher? Jigsaw? What's going on here? He wasn't numb. He was a good guy. Oh, well, that seals it. He was a good guy. But yeah, in hindsight,

problematic choice for a Friday song in a class. Fairly offensive. I don't know. Anyway, there's a lot of weird stuff at my high school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a geography teacher that I had who believed that daily abuse makes you stronger. All right. So he would line us up and push us into the door jam on our way out of class every day. Really? Yeah, fucked up stuff. That is a fucked up teacher. Yeah. They allowed him to do that. I don't think anyone knew he was doing it. How could you not know he was doing it? Because he, I don't know, he was, he was a weird dude. Coach Hawkins, good, good man that Coach Hawkins became friends later after I hit him. This is a long story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no. This is your, every story you have about your

high school really just kind of outlines either some sort of child abuse or more serious and dangerous crime. Yeah. You don't, you don't really have any. This school was a tough time. Yeah. I'm sorry, Dan. It was my nom. Anyway, guys, we're the best. We went a little too far back into the past right now. We're going to go a little bit forward. Yeah. So we're in 2009. Like I said, the last episode was our last week's Monday episode where we heard Alex interview John McManus, president of the John Birch Society. And it doesn't immediately come into any, that's not really important necessarily at the beginning of this episode, but it's an important context, an important framework to understand moving forward in Alex's 2009 business. Does he suck

up to somebody else and betray his principles today, Dan? No, not especially, but I think that there are interesting trends that happen immediately, let's say, and we'll get to them as we get to them. But before we do, I just want to play this clip where Alex Jones makes it super abundantly clear that he's a fucking sovereign citizen. Definitely. I've been researching this deeply, and it really does have a central core of the city of Rome. See, notice how it's a private city of banking, just a few square miles within the city of London itself, that is the financial head of the world. And mainstream news admits that, and it's privately held. I don't really understand fully what Alex is talking about, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the idea that the

Vatican is a private country with a city country. Oh, that's what he's talking about. Well, not necessarily the Vatican, but I think he's saying that the city of Rome is like that, but with banking, because later he says that Washington DC, the district of Columbia is that, but with military. So he's trying to present the idea that there's all these privately held cities in the world, and you have like the Vatican is ecclesiastical, the Rome and London, the city of Rome and the city of London are banking, and then Washington DC is military. I don't exactly know what all of that amounts to, but look, I'm going to look into that more. I don't really understand what he's talking about, and there are not like ready resources on this. Okay. So if you draw lines

between the three of them, though, do you get like a triangle? Yes, absolutely, which is a sign. Exactly. What is the devil's sign? Triangles. The devil's triangle. There we go. And has set the global maritime system of law that we're under that is tyrannical. That's Napoleonic. Capital letters. Roman. It's really Roman civil law, but modern times they call it Napoleonic law guilty of the bourbon innocent and the rest of it. Yes, that is what administrative law courts and, um, it's only the law of merchants going back to really before Rome to Greece and Babylon. Oh boy. And Alexandria and Cairo, but I digress. You do. So yeah, it's maritime law. We're all under maritime law. You're guilty until proven innocent and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah, gold, gold fringed flag course, the whole lot course. That's all sovereign citizenship. And it's all wacky. I'm a big fan of their, uh, insistence in how well they know history by just naming cities. Yeah. It goes all the way back to Alexandria. Oh, you must know history, sir. Yeah. Alexandria, which one? The one in Georgia? I'm guessing he just has like, at least I've already forgotten all those cities that he named, but it seemed like most of them had ports. So yeah, he's just really talking about ports at least he had that. But then again, most ancient cities were, uh, there, it was very important that they, it's really hard to live in landlocked. Yeah. Living landlocked was a, was a much harder proposition back then. Yeah. So, uh, in this next

clip, Alex gives something that I think has come to become very, uh, uh, du reglure, uh, very normal on our show. And that is him giving a prophetic warning that what they are doing to non-white people, they will soon be doing to white people. Yes. So you bet. The most terrifying of situations. You better get ready. It is just going to get worse and worse and worse. I mean, we are in for deep trouble because when they get this global financial power and a world ID, that'll still be a national ID, but globally standardized, they'll track, trace, track everywhere you're going to control. You can't run anywhere. Then they're going to carry out the one-child policy, the controlled plague releases. And from here on out, it becomes hitlerian. The

dyin is going to start. I mean, it's already starting. If you were in Cambodia or Iraq or hundreds of other countries where the globalists are slaughtering people, uh, with their proxies, but, uh, we're going to start dyin here and in Europe. So get ready to die. Okay. That's, uh, I mean, I guess what's behind that is a, is an idea that like the globalists dare not touch us whites until they have full control. Right. Right. Right. Something like that, which is like, I guess, I guess what's behind that thought even is that like they know that we're the only ones who are capable of fighting back against them. I guess that's what you mean. I'm not entirely sure. No idea. It's very weird. And, uh, all that stuff is also just, you know, the little building blocks

of it are just his little dominant narratives. Dan, the globalists are climbing the mountain of conquest. And what's at the top of that mountain? Uh, the white cap. Exactly. There you go. That's who you, you gotta, you gotta get it to the top of the white folk, uh, to start putting Fitzcarraldo down. I don't know. I don't know where that one was going. It does, it does have a, uh, a baseline feeling of like white, uh, I mean, not white, white sir at the top. Well, not white supremacy, but white, uh, primacy. Yeah. Almost like whites are the most important. They're the best. I guess it is white supremacy on. Yeah. No, it's exactly white supremacy. Yeah. Whoops. Anyway, uh, the part at the beginning when I was, uh, making a big deal of Alex, uh, having the John, John Birch

Society president on the day before, uh, it does show up a little earlier than maybe I made it seem, because in this next clip, Alex Jones goes whole hog against Glenn Beck. He starts attacking him aggressively. Okay. The day after he has the John Birch Society president on folks. I told you, Glenn Vexus, Snake, he called for Rob Hall supporters at the army. He was on them to be arrested last year. Hey, he's not a nice guy, is he? Boo. He's up. No. Now he had Popper mechanics on last night and April six, they're having a big report basically debunking it. It doesn't matter if I have thousands of government documents, hundreds of mainstream news articles, congressional testimony. Alex is terrible with pronoun

reference. Yeah. I have no idea what he's talking about. When he said it, he means, uh, Alex's stories about FEMA camps. Oh, there, uh, Glenn Beck had someone on to discuss the realities and falsehoods of all the stories on the internet about, uh, FEMA came to camps. So that's the end. So the, the, the feud began, uh, whenever Glenn Beck inexplicably chose somebody to pick through the lies of somebody else who was lying about stuff that he's also lying about somewhat. And from the base of this clip, it might seem very like non suspicious that Alex is attacking Glenn Beck. Yeah. Because he has said things like, uh, he got to look out with this guy a little bit or like, I don't know. I don't know about him. That, that sort of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So it does

seem in line with Alex to a certain extent, but I think as this goes on, you'll start to understand my point a little more, but, uh, Alex isn't done. I just wanted to explain the pronoun reference. It's in the Houston Chronicles Associated Press. They're gonna have Popper mechanics said they don't exist. Probably put a book out the magazine cover and say I'm a big liar. You are. Oh, they'll probably say the my ac report doesn't exist either. Of course, the state police have now apologized and stopped issuing it and the lieutenant governor is called for the head of the state police to step down over it. Really? That's in, uh, the St. Louis post dispatch Kansas city star associated press, but it doesn't exist. It's my ac report

doesn't exist either. Oh boy. None of it exists. All these hundreds of news articles calling for world government oven by the banks doesn't exist either. Not really. Beck for weeks has been saying, I'll tell you the truth about the FEMA camps. We're investigating where the place to find out of its trip. So the underlying thing here, all this stuff is like all these tons of news articles. Yeah, those do exist. You're misrepresenting them. Yeah. My ac report does exist, but you're misrepresenting them and your asshole followers and Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin and all those guys got together and, you know, ran with the misrepresentation of it and got the law enforcement to, uh, redact it, recant it. Wayne Paul said that only three people wrote the my ac report.

That's true. Yeah. Yeah. In the middle of the night. So the issue is misrepresentation. Uh, that is why when people critique him, they're not saying that he's making stuff up whole cloth. It's just that he's making up the interpretation of it in a dishonest way. Now the thing that I want to bring sharp focus to here is Alex's complaint about Glenn Beck seems to be mostly he's not extreme enough or when he's extreme, he's lying about it. So there's this, there's this sense to it that he's like, he came out and he was talking about the new world order and how like you need to be worried about it. We're going to look into it. That's the part where Alex is cool with it. But then once Glenn Beck is like, we looked into it and a lot of this

stuff that's going around, isn't true. That's where he's like, he's either just talking about the new world order in order to trick you into believing him only to have him say it's not true. All right. So controlled opposition. Yeah. Or the argument could be he's not extreme enough. He doesn't get it. Right. Either of those things are possible, but the primary function of it is he's not putting out the rhetoric that I want put out into the world. Yeah. Now in this next clip, Alex talks about the John Birch society and it might not surprise you too much to hear him make almost the exact same criticism of them. Okay. Cause see the only thing I hear right now is two liars getting into a pissing match about who lies the right way on the surface. That is kind

of what it appears to be, but there's more, there's more forces at play here when you understand their philosophies a little bit. It's kind of like the John Birch society wrote articles saying black helicopters in urban warfare didn't exist a couple of years before they reversed themselves on the cover with about militarization of police and actually saw one of their riders at an urban warfare takeover drill in Oakland and he was there and he said, oh, Alex Jones. And I said, yeah, oh, you're here now witnessing the black helicopters. And I even sent them an associated press article where they tried to bribe the police chief and others, not just my video interviewing the broken, then met it into the San Antonio Express News and the AP, but I mailed them that

because I saw one of their riders there who'd written a piece saying it didn't exist, but I find he lived in California. So I saw the writer there is a convoluted story. And I said, okay, give me your card. I'm going to mail you the AP. And you know what? They published the AP article in their magazine and said, okay, it's low and behold. So it's like I had McManus in here yesterday, the president of the John Birch society, which I think does good work. They're good people. And I didn't throw any, you know, hardball questions at him because I just wanted to, you know, pick his brain and get to knowing they did do a lot of the groundwork on exposing this whole thing. And a lot of us wouldn't even be here today knowing about this. It wasn't for

them. A lot of their material was something I got pregnant with me at a John Birch society meeting. And good old Bobby Vaughn, my dad's friend died of a brain tumor two years ago, but grew up with him hanging out. He was a big JBS. He was always bringing their books over and none dare call a conspiracy and give them to my dad. And then as soon as I could read, I was pulling it off the bookshelf of just thousands of books in our house, my parents house, every room just full of bookshelves and storage things full of books. You know, that was that one book I pulled off the shelf and ruined my life. So we got to think that, but at the same time, he's in here and I said, yeah, their goal is seven million people in this youth service

core and in the, in these other compulsory volunteer things. He said, no, Alex, it's 250,000 and then 500,000 is what they want. And I said, well, that's in one of the bills to start, but here's the New York times with the senator saying, this is their goal. And he went, Oh, okay. And I, he left with the New York times. So you hear, I mean, that is a convoluted story, but it's important to hear like from the, the, the base elements of that clip are at the beginning, he's talking about how the John Birch society had this guy there who was reporting on stuff that Alex knew wasn't correct. And so he got in touch with them and then they corrected their behavior and so very positive version of this not being extreme enough. Yeah. He talks about how he

accidentally found this book that set the course of his life when he was a child or whatever, and then gets to talking to McManus. McManus disagrees on him on the extremeness of the position they should take. And Alex gives him this article and he now is assuming that John McManus is going to make his position more extreme because of the influence that Alex has exerted on him. Gotcha. These are parallel situations. Okay. His feelings about Glenn Beck and his feelings about the John Birch society run the almost similar tracks, not extreme enough, but we can make it better. Yeah. Yeah. That's very interesting to me. I was struggling through that story. That story was like a game of shoots and ladders. Like I felt like every time we got

any direction we just fell and we're back in his childhood or whatever it is that's going on. Yeah, like if I ran the moth and he came with that, do more work on this story. What is this story? It's convoluted. I'm an extemporaneous speaker. No, you're just a shitty storyteller. You need A to go to B. So I just, I think that's very interesting. I don't know necessarily what it means too much, but it does reflect something. I suppose my question would then be like, so his view on these guys is that they don't go, not always, but for the most part where he's coming from now is you guys aren't extremely extreme enough in your, the new world order is going to kill everybody stuff. More or less. Yes. Right. Does he, other than his apocalyptic,

their controlled plague releases, does he have any like opinions that they aren't extreme enough on? Do you know what I'm saying? What do you mean by that? Well, I mean, he's, he's of course saying that the new world order is killing everybody. Yeah. Obviously. And they're not saying that, but does he agree or disagree with anything that they are saying? I think he agrees. Or is it that they're only formally? Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah. He agrees with everything they think it's a matter of scale and not a matter of substance. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I think, I think that, I think that's pretty clear. And I think it's also just petty insecurity. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not sure, but it does lead to Alex talking about Glenn Beck quite a bit on this show. Okay.

And in this next clip, he complains about Glenn Beck and the John Birch Society, and then starts complaining about the very idea that people complained about other people. Beck's saying this looks like a curly Q. I got sent an email by some fake Christian website saying, pretty big saying. Fake Christian or fake Christian website. Alex Jones is calling for armed revolt. That is not in the Bible. We are to submit to the beast system, basically. They didn't say and well, they're fake Christian Romans 13. Did they say any deception is bad? You shouldn't watch it. And Alex once spoke at a Unitarian Church ties to socialist. So he is

like if I speak, if I speak at Sheraton hotel in LA, I don't work for Sheridan or real quick, burn the witch. I just want to pause for a second to point out that that's exactly the inverse of the logic that he uses about Margaret Sanger giving a speech to the women of the KKK. So when you do it, you're wrong. When I do it, I'm right. Enjoy having it both ways, Alex. Or if I use a phone, I don't work for the Neumann microphone company or if I have a Sony or Panasonic camera, you have a Sony or a burn the witch. Atomix atomic clock or a I mean, it's just this obsession with Alex Jones, Alex Jones, Alex Jones, Alex Jones, Alex Jones. It's just crazy. And so one of our biggest problems is you have the mainstream media

spinning, lying, obfuscating, pushing propaganda. We're trying to analyze that. Then you have the general public wrecked by the system, wrecked by the establishment, a large portion of it, who are even awake to the new world order, but they won't spend any of their time actually fighting the globalist. They spend all their time critiquing each other and ninnying and bitching and witch hunts. So he isn't he wait, he just went from saying that they're not extreme enough. Yeah. And then saying that a fake Christian website is trying to complain about him. And yeah, this whole thing has been largely complaints about people who are philosophically on the same side as you. And then it leads to the sort of reveal of, we spent too much time complaining

about people and not working. Wow. All right. I don't under, I don't think he so, so he doesn't get that his complaint is they're complaining about him. And he's complaining that they're complaining. And there's too much complaining going on. And he's complaining about that in this particular instance, like I think that Christian places email is made up. So I'm just going to discount that out of hand. Well, then it would be a fake Christian email too. That's true. Or it could have been some sort of forwarded chain email nonsense that means nothing, right should go to a spam folder folder quite frankly. But he does not have a spam folder in the instances of what he's complaining about about Glenn Beck and the john birch society. Those aren't

complaints that they're making about Alex complaining about them. In the instance of Glenn Beck, it's not complaining. It's discussing misinformation that people like Alex are perpetuating. So not to defend Glenn Beck in any way. But the complaint that Alex has about him is he's pushing back on my nonsense. Whereas Alex is, you know, his complaint is people, people complain to I don't know it's it he's Alex's version has much less substance to it. If only because Glenn Beck is talking about like, Oh, this is a misrepresentation, misreading of this bill or whatever. Yeah. That has a kernel of something to it. Alex's is just everyone complains about me. We spend too much time complaining. I'm complaining

all the time. It's not so much that he has a circular thought process as he just doesn't have one. Like it just starts with Yeah, it just starts with like a here's the thing that I don't like. And I don't like that thing. And even though it's a thing that I'm doing that I like to do, I think it's a bad thing. There's a strong feeling that like I don't I'm not positive he knows what he's saying in the middle of a sentence when he says stuff like that. Yeah, that's a good point. Like I'm not sure he doesn't like I'm not sure he understands that it doesn't track the end of the sentence does doesn't have anything to do with the middle or the last sentence before it or or it outright contradicts. Yeah, the sentence before it but who cares. Yes, or it's a convoluted story.

He has to do a lot of fucking radio though. Can't can't critique him over little semantic details like his job. So the so far we've seen this this bit of business about Glenn Beck. And when I'm saying that things are changing with it, I think that this next clip really demonstrates that because what we see is I think that he's been a little bit more severe about Glenn Beck in the past than he likes to believe. But mostly I kind of agree that his critiques of Glenn Beck have been not attacking him in the past, not necessarily attacking him, but like saying he's probably up to something and like not treating him like a target. It's weariness. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. Gotcha. Maybe me and weariness at times. But it's not like the kind of personal

attacks that we're so used to seeing from Alex where it's like, look at his dumb hair, he's probably a pedophile, like that kind of shit. Yeah. And what we see in this next clip is Alex even expressing himself that things are going to change. And now I'm looking at him not as some inconsequential inconsequential person that you should be wary of. But now is a target. And, you know, I called this months ago, Glenn Beck on his radio show that on his TV show in the last month. And I never really come out against Glenn Beck. I said the guys in neocon, you know, he says put Ron Paul supporters in FEMA camps. I criticize him for that. But I said he's just a discredited minion. He's not that big of a danger to the people. Then in the last six months, he started

saying there's a global government being set up. But then he would always sandwich that in with Al Qaeda and they're going to get us. It was psychological manipulation. And then for the last month or so, he's been saying, I'm going to expose the FEMA camp to the real or not in depth investigation. And he promised every night to do it and have folks tune in and he wouldn't do it. And then he kind of laugh at it and discredit it. Well, now he's had the head of popular mechanics on, remember, Hearst Publishing are the folks that run by William Randolph Hearst, who's in the Spanish American War said, you supply the pictures, I'll supply the war making up that Spain was attacking, you know, people in Cuba.

And they're the fake red scare. They're the folks that are always calling for police state. He's a big robber baron. And in the encyclopedia Britannica under yellow journalism, it says Hearst Publishing. So I mean, you cannot have a more discredited, more nasty grip of individuals. And he's still talking about popular mechanics, right? Right. Because the guy from popular mechanics is who Glenn Beck enlisted to research the right and popular mechanics is owned by Hearst Publishing and Hearst is yellow journalism. And I got that. But if you want to understand why he's because he has to attack the source. But if you want to play that game, then fine, Alex, you are have a show that's distributed by

Genesis Communications Network, which is owned by Ted Anderson, who owns Midas Resources, who in interviews has said that he created Genesis Communications Network as a advertising arm of Midas Resources, where he sells gold. You have people on all the time who just try and create panics to sell gold. So I mean, we can play that game. You're a thoroughly. Genesis Communications is a thoroughly discredited outlet. And if you want somebody who runs fucking propaganda, one of your guests regularly helping you sell gold is a fucking South African rapist who believes in Rhodesia. So there you go. That's worse than Hearst. I don't know if it is. Hearst did some. No, Hearst is awful. Never mind. Yeah, Hearst is terrible. But what I'm saying is like,

you could this knife cuts both directions. Yeah. And I think you should probably give a pass for Hearst Publishing owning popular mechanics, unless you have specific complaints about the specific person or anything like that, then maybe just stop stretching. And then the ones that went after 911 Truth, which is oh, there we go. crap. They are now going to quote debunk. Now I said a few weeks ago, I did like an hour on the FEMA camps of all the documents for the eclipse, but I said I was going to do very underwhelming several hours on a master debunking. And then I've been busy launching the Obama deception of things, but I am going to do the research of the research. I'm going to dig all

the documents back out. No, you're not. There's just so many congressional testimony in the Miami Herald and Houston Chronicle. And I mean, hundreds of army dot mill regulation, two 10, actually five. They have it here in front of me. Glenn Beck knows full well about all the FEMA camps. You know, three weeks ago, I did that hour long special. It's gone viral on the web. I want you to make, I'll do it early next week. That'll give us a few days ahead of their debunking on April 6 to make it go mega viral. And if we do this, millions of views can be attained. And I can piggyback Glenn Beck's success. So I mean, the thing that he brings up there as

his specific example of FEMA camps being real, the civilian inmate labor camp program, it really is just about creating the private prison industry and about the idea that you can make inmates work. Yeah, no, that's slavery slavery. Yeah. If he wants to talk about that in a realistic way, I would really appreciate it. But if he wants to fold it into this FEMA camp nonsense, then it, what it does is diminish the ability to work against the actual evil that he pretends to be complaining about. So that to me is a problem. The other problem here is, see what I think is going on, this is just my theory. And it's, I didn't know about this episode when we recorded the episode about him interviewing the John Burt society president. And we talked

about the connections between the Koch brothers, freedom works, citizens for prosperity, Americans for prosperity, came out of citizens for a sound economy. Like all of these things, I didn't know that the next day Alex was going to go hard on Glenn Beck when I brought up those connections and stuff. Right. Just to let you know that I'm not rigging this and saying like, Oh, you know, he's mad at Glenn Beck, probably he's now creating this thing. Here, here, this is tough to put into words. What I think is going on is that Alex is creating the appearance of a beef. Because it is see, this is where it's difficult. Because if I say he's doing it intentionally, then it sounds so conspiratorial. Oh, you think this is a manufactured rat beef? I think it might be in the same way

versus Drake, two people might fight when they both have an album coming out and it boosts both of their sales. Now, I'm not saying that Glenn Beck is even necessarily in on or knows what's going on, right, anything like that. But I do think that it appears to be a strategy where you have two people who are ostensibly saying similar things. And you have that have a petty argument of some sort. And what you do is you create a radical radicalization ping pong game. You know, like, it's it's it's a perfect chamber wherein things only get worse. Because it's easy if you're like a Fox News watcher, or you're somebody who has inclinations towards the right, it's really easy to fall into Glenn Beck. It's more difficult to fall into Alex Jones.

He is much more extreme. He yells about shit all the time. He references documents that he wants you to read that you'll never be able to find. All this stuff is very confusing to the the immediate viewer. Glenn Beck is very easy. So the baby step from sort of normal well meaning conservative can be to go to Glenn Beck, right, right, you become a Glenn Beck fan, you get sort of used to that temperature of water. Then there's someone who is out there who's yelling that Glenn Beck is a fraud, and the two of them have a beef that may or may not be one sided, almost certainly one side. And what that does is create the opportunity to jump from the sort of warm water of Glenn Beck into the scalding hot water of Alex Jones, right, without like noticing it's so hot and burning

yourself. Right. And the only people who would really pay or not pay but the only people who would really benefit from that, a ton is people who want to push things much further to the right. Yeah. And by doing that, if people are leaving from Glenn Beck to go to Alex Jones, enjoying the incredibly hot water, then Glenn Beck is then is going to heat up his own water in order to get those people back. Alex in order to get the I'm not I'm not saying it that way, but it's like stop serving his purpose. Right. Because if he gets too hot, then he's in the good entry point which may actually accidentally been been what happened in terms of this. I don't know. I don't think that this is necessarily what happened, but I would not be surprised at all if the same people

who were paying for Glenn Beck and his rise to prominence were also eventually paying Alex Jones to serve as the more extreme version of him. Right. I think that serves all of their purposes incredibly well. Yeah, it makes sense. The reason that it's I fall short of saying that I think that that's the case is because it is a crazy thing to say. No, that's that's what's the business say vertical vertical integration. It's controlling the entire, you know, you you control the entire method of production. I feel uncomfortable about the sort of speculative nature of what I'm saying. But at the same time, I find it very difficult to look at the picture that we have in front of us knowing what I know. Like for example, I know that Alex Jones's dad lost a ton of oil revenue

from the lands that he owned in Texas. Pretty recently before this, I know that Alex Jones moved into a new studio where the rent was higher around this time. I know that he just had the John Birch Society president on and changed a number of his positions mid interview with him. I know that freedom works and Americans for prosperity funnel tons of money and they are run by the children of one of the founding members of the John Birch Society. I know that a couple months after this episode, Alex Jones has a money bomb. So I know a number of things that make it look really difficult for me to not think there's something up here. And the fact that the day after the John Birch Society president was on the show, Alex pivots his position on Glenn Beck

from being someone who he's like an annoying fly your shoe him away. Yeah, he's inconsequential, but probably not great news. I don't want to hang out with them. But I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get into a fight with them to now being like he's a danger. Yeah, I don't I don't know how else to look at that. Other than through like, huh, that's fucking weird. Right. And all all the confluence of it. Yeah, I get just it feels like the easiest way I can explain that is Alex needs money. He knows someone who's got money serves a purpose. Yeah, no, no, I get I get you're there where there's where there's smoke. There is probably Nazis burning books in a fire. This could mean nothing. It could be nothing. I could be making a mountain out of a molehill. I don't know. But

the facts on the ground lead me to think this is something I got to I got to keep my eye on and look into a little bit more. So we'll see as time goes on. But like, he's straight up just doing a show where he's going, he just ends up keeps on dunking on Glenn Beck. Here at this point, he invites Jason Burmuss on to the show. And the two of them have a little bit of a shit on Glenn Beck session. I think the best thing about this, Alex, is we are continuing to expose Glenn Beck as a wolf in sheep's clothing. I mean, we've had a lot of pressure over the last few months in this office alone, emails telling us no, Glenn Beck is coming around. He's telling us the truth about the financial situation. He does this every year. He comes out says there's a new

old order law, the sea treaty, and then let's arrest all the Ron Paul supporters and use troops against them. They're dangerous enemies every year. You can trust me. I'm gonna fight the new world order. Yeah, this is all a bunch of bull. Now that you trust me, you don't trust the internet. Trust me, I'm going to debunk this with the fathers of yellow journalism. Yeah. And the fact that he's putting together a quote unquote 912 project that he's very proud that over a quarter million people have joined really churns in my stomach. I mean, this guy is trying to which is what the force compulsory service bills state. They say it's going to be a 911 912 project where they do all this in the name of 911. Yeah, and not a 911 call to service day. And he's

following the myack reports. He is following. That's why I said, well, my are you guys fucking talking about you'll say I'm a patriot fight the new world order. Let's arrest the malicious. I mean, this guy is doing a psychological bait and switch people aren't sophisticated or falling for it. There is something up here. That was that was a barrage of two idiots agreeing with each other about lies that they're telling almost past each other. Like, I don't even know if they're talking about the same thing. Glenn Beck is following the myack report. He's following it. I don't know. I don't know how you would follow the descriptive report. Well, they put a little piece of wood and they have the myack report hanging by a little string and he just he keeps

trying to run towards it and he just can't get there fruitless endeavor. So I don't know. This is just this is something that is very interesting to me, but we will have to see how it plays out. And I was really hoping that this is a Friday. And so like I was really hoping that Sunday's episode would give me more insight into this, but it fucking doesn't. The whole thing is just an interview with Webster Tarpley about how the Obama deception is great. I don't want to talk about Webster Tarpley. No, well, we will later, but not on this episode because Alex is trying to create his second Obama film and Webster Tarpley is now in town visiting. So I think he's going to be a guest on a lot of episodes. He's going to take a take a couple of flyers on that.

But that reflects to the fact that Alex is in like sort of a tough situation is that like his entire show on Sunday, the 29th of May is all just an interview with Webster Tarpley that serves as almost an infomercial for the Obama deception. And that's because he has wider distribution on his Sunday shows. So he's using that as a platform. Okay. Put out the so this reflects the pivot and the change that happens over time where now Sunday shows are kind of like a afterthought. Whereas before they were where you could actually get much more marketing done. Huh? Yeah, it's interesting. That is interesting. Don't I don't know how to synthesize all this, but there is a clue somewhere that's going to make it all make sense. And it's probably

in the near future. For now, much like Alex Jones in the past about Glenn Beck, I'm wary. Oh boy. I got my eyes open, but we'll see. We are you are looking for Carmen San Diego. Where in the world is where in the world is this guy going? So in this next clip, we see another thing that's a little bit interesting. And that is that Alex Jones has been made aware of UKIP. Oh, boy. Up till this point, Alex Jones did not know about Nigel Farage. It's Tommy Robinson in the game back then too. I think he's still going by Stephen Yaxley Lennon at this point. I think he's actually in 2009. I think he was in straight up Nazi groups. Yeah. I'm pretty sure if I recall his timeline correctly, he was like operating anonymously

as the leader of the like European front or whatever. Right. No, the European defense league. Oh, that's not good. No, the EDL. Yeah. So, no, although that, that bringing, bringing that up, that actually, like if we're talking about Tommy Robinson, you take a look at where his money comes from. It kind of reinforces your theory on Alex Jones and these guys getting so much money. Why would they, why would the same groups that were so used to seeing fund all these right wing lunatics also fund an out and out Nazi in Britain? If they weren't also funding all kinds of out and out Nazis and further to the point, why would they not fund Alex? Exactly. That's the other thing that's kind of is like a tough head scratcher. Right. With this, I don't,

I don't know if this is necessarily indicative of any like, oh, this is, this is clear that someone's influencing him, but he's been made aware of UKIP and he plays a long compilation of just completely out of context clips of like Nigel Farage yelling at Gordon Brown on the floor and stuff like that. And it's interesting because he does know Lord Moncton at this point. Okay. But well, that's nice, but only as a climate denier. So he's aware of Lord Moncton as someone who's like climate change isn't real and all that shit. He doesn't know Nigel Farage. Farage doesn't show up on his show until a couple months down the line from here. He doesn't really know about the UK Independence Party. He's not particularly interested in it, except for like,

broader speaking trends that he has about like, getting rid of the EU, right, stuff like that. Right, right, right. So it's interesting because he plays this long, long compilation of Farage yelling on the floor. And then he comes back from break with this. And if you talk about what you just heard, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of them come out and say you're a kook. All we do is watch the European Parliament. All we do is watch C-SPAN read the bills. All we do is read the Army War College admitting and preparing to wage war against the American people. You guys ever like play pool or something? And the enemy tells us we lie. No, you lie. They're digging the grave for our republic. All right. Oh boy. So it's interesting. It's really

interesting to me to see this now being folded into Alex's world again immediately after the interview with the John Birch Society guy. We see the introduction of the presence of the UK Independence Party and Nigel Farage being someone that Alex is not saying by name because I don't think he knows his name at this point even. He didn't ever say Nigel Farage. He's never, he doesn't give any names of these politicians or if he watches all this and reads all the bills, he would know who he is. He's just like, these guys are really giving it to the idea of a greater Britain being in the war. You should know. You should be able to talk about this more if you're as much of an expert as you think, but it's here and it's a huge part of his stuff moving

forward. The resistance to globalism in the EU is Nigel Farage and UK. Yeah. So this is the beginning of that. So this is the beginning of our international nationalist alliance? No, because I think... No, I mean, as far as where... He said pro-Russia stuff in 2009. Yeah, that's true. I mean, he's used the Russian angle on the Ukrainian gas crisis. But that's from the Russian side. And so this is true of so much of Nigel Farage and UKIP and all that shit. They too are funded by right wing billionaires in the United States. So that we start to see this coming at this time while all of these guys are together. And this is the first time that Alex starts bringing up the UK lunatics alongside him meeting

the John Birch Society or having him on his show, obviously not meeting him for the first time. They'd talked before, apparently. But there does seem to be a constellation. If not coordinated, then fucking connected. It's just it's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. And I don't really... It's tough for me to do this as a show because I don't want to put out into the world something that would lead one of our listeners to think that we're demonstrating that this is now a broad conspiracy of all these things. Right. Because we're not. We need to prove that. We need to find whatever indications we can find. And as we look into it, if we find things that disprove whatever we're suspecting, I'm fine with that. That's kind of how we work. Yeah,

I'm fine if we run down the line and it gets like, oh no, that absolutely doesn't work. Alex is clearly not getting money that we think he's getting. Well, just think about all the theories we had during our 2015 investigation. Like the entire time we're doing that, we're speculating we've got all these different things and we're like, this makes sense and this goes on. And then two days later, we're like, well, that's fucking stupid. That doesn't make any sense now. You adjust as you learn. Yeah, exactly. And I hope that everyone understands that that's the position we're coming from. Not a position of authority or knowing. We're in a position of knowing a number of pieces that look weird. And we'll see if it is... We'll see if those puzzle pieces fit together

to the picture that we think it will. Right. But we're ready to re-wrong. The other thing, too, is that I would understand a criticism of the speculation that we're doing if there's only one or two pieces. You know what I'm saying? Instead of a constellation, a line segment, if you will. Well, if just the president of the John Burt society was on his show, and then the next day he insulted Glenn Beck, I wouldn't think that was the biggest deal in the world. I would say the popular mechanics thing would be the biggest deal in the world. That's the hugest deal. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because then it's like, oh. They're so popular. Well, but then it'd be like, well, that's coincidental timing. But Alex does hate it when people say that he's

wrong and show that he's wrong. And it's petty. Right. So I would be like, yeah, that makes sense with that. But all of the other little pieces around it just make me... It just smells bad. It does. I don't know. We'll see. There's something wrong there. So anyway. We are also starting the 913 movement, which encourages everybody to think back to 913, the day after Glenn Beck started his 912 movement and how it made you feel. And that is that Glenn Beck is a huge shitbag. There is also... Yeah. Oh, what I was going to say is that they're misrepresenting even what Glenn Beck's 912 thing was about. They really don't have a handle on it even. Did anybody really have a handle on it? It was such a vague, nebulous and stupid concept that it was hard to like pin

down exactly what it was he was trying. I don't think it was. I think it was pretty specific. It was trying to recapture that feeling you had on 912, which is that's vague. But then the nine principles and 12 guidelines or whatever, those were very specific. So I mean, like, there's a lot of ways to criticize him. I don't think that's one of them. Look, who gives a shit? Okay. Who gives a shit? All they know is that they need to start attacking Glenn Beck and they're doing it. So great. Now, at this point, Alex Jones welcomes a guest onto the show. Oh, I should also say coincidentally, another piece of my constellation is Bob Chapman's on this episode. God damn it. Bob Chapman doesn't sell gold. They don't talk about it at all because Alex is too busy trying

to complain about Glenn Beck. So there is a replacement of Bob Chapman's normal role on the show. Right. I haven't listened to an episode in months that Bob Chapman didn't exist specifically to set up Alex on the volleyball court to spike a gold. Ted Anderson doesn't come on the show when Bob Chapman's on here at all. He's just on as a like sort of guy to agree with Alex while he's complaining about Glenn Beck and all of these FEMA camp things, which in a vacuum, you'd just be like, well, Alex is bitching. And so when the spirit gets good to him in bitching, he will run through every possible break and every chance to sell. But amidst all of the other data points, this is and a little bit more glaring just for the sake of complete honesty. I have heard episodes where

Bob Chapman's on and they don't sell gold, but they are fucking rare. They are all like I probably have heard three. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it's not like it never happens. So it's within the realm of like it could be a real crazy coincidence. Right. It's another fucking thing. Anyway, those three times were Bob Chapman's birthday. I assume where they held a surprise party on air. The anniversary of Rhodesia. Yeah, for sure. And then the day he lost his virginity, right? That was the other one. They just that's actually road out for a while. That's March 27th. All right. Well, we can all look forward to that. Indeed. So we're not going to listen to any of Bob Chapman's appearance, but we are going to spend a bit of time with another guest. Alex has a guy on for a good

fucking hour or so. This guy is nuts. So much going on. Dr. Scott Whitaker is a board certified naturopathic daughter with over 20 years of experience. Not a thing. Oh, not a thing. What's what's the board certification for naturopath doctors? Oh, there's a blue ribbon panel of naturopath. Did the check clear? Jesus. Oh, boy. Board certified naturopath. That's pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So we got Scott Whitaker on the show wrote a book called medicine, but it's S. I. M. Like it's a nice well done. So here's another little bit of his introduction. He obtained a doctorate of naturopathy from the international school of naturopathy in Los Altos, California.

So Alex is reading from his bio there. Now this is interesting. He didn't even obtain the fake thing that he didn't obtain. Well, if you Google international school of naturopathy in Los Altos, California, you will not find a real school. It's not even the University of Phoenix online. Even more interestingly, you don't even find reviews of a fake school or a website built to try and convince people that a diploma mail is a real school. That's the case with most of these places like just a website with a mailing address. And do you want to doctor it today? Well, like a lot of those, like that's what you'll find with like you look into any of doctor groups credentials. Yeah, those websites that are like, Hey, we're not fake. Here's the course. Now you

can take them. We're not fake. You can take them online and then pay us $5,000. We're not a degree. That sort of thing. In fact, if you Google the name of this school, all you will find are links to Dr. Scott Whitaker and his book medicine. He made up his own fake school. It appears he gave himself his own degree from his own fake school. I can't I love this man. That is a grip. I can't confirm this, but it appears that the only place this name for a school even exists is in his bio. Now the fun part about this, you know, I'm a tribunal approved star talker. Did you know that I have that document in your bio? Yeah. Yeah. So the fun part about this from the interstellar school of ministry, most natural path doctors are running scams, not all of them, but most of them. But

this guy realized that very real trend and decided to cut out the middle man, just make up a school where he can claim he got a degree. That's smart. That's what it appears to be. That is PR. Like you say, on some level, I respect that. Yeah, that's a good hustle. If it's a fake degree, there's no reason to pay someone thousands of dollars to get it. It just makes sense. Even a couple hundred dollars. It just makes sense. If it's just a couple hundred, that's still saving. You shouldn't even really have to pay Kinkos. Just print it out on your home printer, man. I'm not even sure he did that much. Yeah. So anyway, here is what Dr. Scott Whitaker wants to bring to the program. It's good to have you here. This is a short segment. Just introduce yourself,

you're awakening, and then let's get into all the research you've done and what you found. Two words. Dr. Whitaker, one years of experience in holistic medicine, nutritional detoxification, been traveling the world in about nine countries studying those healing sciences over in Africa and Asia, bringing them back to America and using them and applying them and getting phenomenal results with everyone to come in contact with regarding their particular condition. So which the holistic approach to healing is the only way I go because you can't go any other way. Yeah, well, yeah, because it's illegal for him to go any other way is nothing but a death trap. But that's what he would like to tell you. Yes. Now he's not licensed to do anything

else except for go that route. But real hospitals, death trap. That sounds right. Death trap. They do have a high rate of infection. Death trap. How about what if you break your leg? Death trap. Oh, that's not fair. Because in this next clip, he does explain Whitaker does explain that there are some instances where and you should go to a hospital. But the hospitals are set up. They're all set up for drug surgery. The only reason or purpose that someone will ever want to go to a hospital is for emergency reasons. The emergencies being gunshot wounds, car accidents, amputation. That's it? Stab wounds, things of that sort. Why is everything so violent with you? Other than that, you can forget it. There is no cure ever coming from the current medical establishment for anything.

Except for stab wounds. Yeah, except for hospitals can cure stab wounds, but nothing else or gunshot or hit by a car. Yeah, or amputations. No reason given. I think I think it really goes without saying that like this is a really dangerous line of thought. Oh, yeah, really fucked up for Alex to be signing off on because there's so much more that hospitals do just because you want to demonize science because you're afraid that, you know, I don't know, regulations are going to start popping up that make your scams untenable or illegal to pull off. I don't know. Shocking that they aren't already, but yeah, you could be concerned about that and want to create a grassroots awakening of people who think that doctors and hospitals just there to be a death trap. That's fine. Right. But

then, you know, there's so much preventative medicine that has saved millions of lives over the years that have nothing to do with crisis emergency medicine. Like this is this is a ludicrous thing for someone to be saying it's it borders on like leafily dangerous. Yeah, no, that's that's a ill advised. Absolutely. And not even that, but the the very things that he's describing that hospitals do also include the other things that hospitals do. What do you mean? It's not like a surgery is just they, well, I assume in his world, all surgeries are just amputations. Like if you get into a car accident, you break your leg, they're just like, okay, well, we'll cut it off. Well, but if you are performing a surgery that that involves antiseptic,

that involves that involves so many different things to prevent. Yeah, exactly. And also, if you're getting an amputation that usually means like some out of control infection or maybe frostbite or something like that, which you're going to need antibiotics for, which also apparently holistic medicine can't fucking handle. So there's there's one strike asshole. Yeah, the same antibiotics that you would that you would use to avoid infection can also be used prior to having surgery. Right. Man, that's not to say that like, like our medical system, even take out the financial aspect of it, which is it's not to say that it works every time or that we got it all down. No, but it is far and away better than your herb nonsense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people can

be helped by some of that holistic medicine stuff, though. And that's why it's important to have placebo are important. Yeah. There's that part of it. But there is also some things that do help. I mean, yeah, and also hurt a support structure and all that stuff. Holistic medicine can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. And so it's not him. They are lies. It's not right to demonize all of it. But there was I believe, like an old love line episode, Dr. Drew made a nice point that was that like, if all of this herb based sort of natural healing worked, there would be no reason that medicine would have ever developed. Now that sounds wrong. There is no reason that you would have ever come up with all of this stuff. No one would have studied the hours and hours of

failed experiments that lead to the one successful one. If all of it was already taken care of international global conspiracy, Dan, it's got to be it's got to be they took they removed our memories of this naturopathic medicine in order to have a monopoly on medicine, but they don't really want a monopoly on medicine for healing. They want it for death traps. Well, and then a lot of their goals are a lot of create MRI machines. Yes, in order to find the implants in your brain. Exactly. Yeah, a lot of the sort of natural cures and stuff probably did help a lot more in earlier times in human history. But since we've created more pollution, more that that sort of stuff, though, as societies have changed the conditions that we have changed because of the

sort of human world interactions that we have introduced, right, like the things that like smallpox to everyone. Sure. All those things didn't necessarily exist before. And they probably wouldn't have been treated by natural medicine back then, even if they did, because they'd be like, you've got a demon inside you, nothing we could do about that. Well, you're just gonna die while we chant over you or something, which is kind of the same thing as, you know, nature. Yeah, fair enough. But anyway, look, I would put that on my sign. First off, board certified by made up nonsense. Second, I'm a chance over you while you die. Also, my school is real. Yeah, totally real. Who said it wasn't? Would you Google it? How dare you?

You can't trust that even fake things have remnants online, like even a fake diploma mill, you can find some version of like, Oh, that's what this is. All of it goes back to his bio. I know, but I like that grift. You're absolutely right. If you're gonna do if you're gonna get a fake degree, why would you pay somebody for the fake degree when you can just make it up yourself? The problem comes down to the same problem that exists with people with real fake degrees. And and that is that they have the pretend authority to say things like he's saying on this show that are dangerous to people who may need actual medical advice. I just don't I just don't see the difference really between a fake fake degree and a real fake degree. No, I agree. They have the same

problem. So there's an issue with both. So the Whitaker wants to give, you know, an analogy here or like sort of a condemnation of the medical establishment. And it's really interesting the way he phrases this. Pay close attention here. There is no cure ever coming from the medical establishment because they don't want a cure. The goal is to keep you told you about how they fit in a halfway alive so they can drain your account knew it and then send you off to your grave. You're right. So I love a good I love a good Alex doesn't have anything to say. So he says you're right. So I wanted you to pay close attention to that because this is an interesting sort of conception that he's putting forth and that is the idea that they want to keep you half

sick and half healthy. And in that way, they can keep you in a state where they can drain your bank account. Right. Now let's look at Alex Jones. What he does is keeps his audience in a state where they're constantly about to be the victims of genocide. Sure. But at the same time, they're also victorious over these genocidal eugenics forces. I don't understand your point. He keeps them in a half alive, half asleep state or whatever. That doesn't sound right. Half sick, half healthy, healthy from a worldview standpoint in order to constantly keep them on board and scared enough that they are motivated to buy things, but victorious enough that they don't feel like it's pointless to keep supporting. That is somebody who is in the bank of big hospital.

That's what you're saying right there. All I hear is propaganda for pro hospitals. You are just making these wild connections. Alex is trying to save people's lives with Dr. Group's fake fucking supplements. Not yet. And so now you're going to criticize this guy's fake supplements. That is the hospital thinking. You're a suppressive hospital person, Dan. I want you out of here. I'm an SHP. The Dr. Group is not around yet, just to be very clear. Alex is selling Dr. Wallach's products though, like the on tangy tangerine and what have you. And it should be pointed out that Dr. Wallach is a veterinarian. He is not a doctor for humans. No shortage of grips. Yeah, no shortage of. So there is still like a medical hustle going on, but it's not as

advanced as it is once group comes into the picture. It's still just sort of nascent with the A man. Dog penicillin is still penicillin. Still good. Yeah, still works fine. So he's presenting like some dangerous ideas. And then also an interesting metaphor that accidentally sums up Alex's business model. But in this next clip, I think he's Whitaker crosses the line into like severely dangerous, stupid thinking. So then they want to come out and give this garter seal to our little girls, ages of nine and 26. Oh, no. The sterilization program. And the body naturally gets rid of the so-called HPV. What? And that is not true. It only kills 3000 people a year. And that's folks that already have auto

immune problems. So this is really. Is he saying first off that, so wait, so the fake doctor with the fake degree from his own fake school is saying that the body naturally gets rid of HPV, which is some sort of callback to the body naturally gets rid of great pregnancies. And then Alex is like, yeah, see how not real it is? It only kills 3000 people a year. That doesn't make sense if the body could naturally get rid of it. Those are people who already have auto immune disorders. Well, it blows up into an auto immune disorder. See, the issue here is that HPV, the problem with it is that it's a precursor for cervical cancer in women. This is why creating a vaccine for it is very important because as recently as

the 1950s, cervical cancer was a leading cause of death in adult women. In the 50s, the pap smear was introduced, which led to much earlier diagnosis of the condition and the number of deaths went down. But with a vaccine that protects women from HPV, you have the ability to essentially eliminate the fatal risk of cervical cancer. No, it's just turning our girls into slots, Stan. And also he says, and it's killing them. Whitaker says, I believe it's a sterilization thing. Defend that premise. Oh, I believe it. Fine. That's not what a doctor would say. Everybody who's gotten Gardasil so far has become sterile within two to three days. Not true. And that's always that not true. That's not how a doctor will present his positions. They would be irresponsible

say, I just believe this. I believe you need an amputation, which is why you came to this hospital. So Alex trots out that only 3000 deaths occur annually from HPV. And while it's true that the number is closer to like four or 5000, and that only reflects the United States, that's only because of the advances made in screening and detection in the years since the 1950s, since which time the incidence and death rate for cervical cancer has dropped about 60%. I understand that grammatically since which time is correct. However, I heard it instantly since, since which time the drop there since we burned women at the stake for HPV. The drop that we've seen wasn't thanks to holistic medicine or naturopaths. It was thanks to the development of the pap smear,

the dedicated researchers who figured out how HPV causes cervical cancer in the 80s, and the folks who have now developed a vaccine. The only reason Alex can flippantly pretend that 3000 annual deaths, you know, you can just toss that around in order to make it seem like it's not a big deal is because of the work of the very people him and Whitaker here are trying to demonize. It's very, very stupid. And it's dangerous. It's a severely dangerous mentality to put out into the world, especially when what you have to back it up is, I believe that this is the case, that it's a sterilization thing and not about trying to make sure that we have a completely like we could get rid of. Well, but that's the process by which this shit always works with with how humanity

how stupid humanity is. It is a massive problem. And we spend all this time and effort trying to fix it. And as we get closer and closer to a solution, it stops being a massive problem. And the people for whom it was a massive problem are dead. So the next generation is like, see, it's not a problem. And it never was. And nobody's ever fixed it. Well, yada, yada, yada. And it's not a problem for men. Like HPV doesn't turn into a cancer for men. I'm sure that doesn't account to their thinking at all. So like when he's saying the idea that like the body takes care of cervical, I'm sorry, HPV, what he might be expressing is just the idea that for men, it doesn't really matter. That's like saying that for men abortion doesn't really matter. So they

work to restrict it. That sounds crazy. Weird. So like I'm saying, a lot of his ideas are like really dangerous. But some of them are just outright wacky stupid like this next clip. You never want to bring cut roses to someone that you're visiting who was sick because you're given off the essence of death. So you always want to bring a live plant. But the hospital, the MD, the MD, who was considered by most people as a God, all those dead flowers, misdirected. It's a priesthood. Don't bring cut flowers. You're exuding death. Now that makes sense. Okay, man. That tracks. Don't bring rocks. Those aren't alive. Now could kill somebody. Now someone who's a doctor

would probably need a study to back that up. Do you mean somebody who's been indoctrinated into the priesthood? That's why indoctrinated. You better believe it. See, fun with words. I did it. Problem solved. I mean, I folded up a $20 bill and saw that hospitals were death trapped. See, you would need to do a study of people who were brought flowers and vases and cut flowers, but you could never do that study because you would be endangering the people who you're bringing cut flowers to. It would be an in ethical study to carry out. If your premise made any sense at all. Yes, I would agree with you, Dan. Yes. If anybody in the medical community agreed that bringing cut flowers was a risk, then the study itself would of course be unethical.

It's unethical. However, I don't think anybody is like- This guy's a doctor and he's telling me that it's fucking dangerous to bring cut flowers because it exudes death. I believe him. He has a degree. I don't think the Mayo Institute would object to that study being done. I don't think they'd be like, Hey, Hey now, you're possibly killing patients. It's crazy. We can't have this devil blind study going on. You'll make people go blind. So we see the other sort of stuff that he believes, which is insanity. And in his next clip, you know, earlier in the show, we, Alex started out talking about things that made it very clear that he's a sovereign citizen. Well, guess what? So is Dr. Whitaker. In court pleadings, you pray it's a Roman civil court. He wears the

black robes of Saturn. Judges will tell you this. This is even taught in law books. And that's all a temple as well. This is a cult, but the medicine, please continue. Oh, yeah, no doubt. Because all the all the court systems under the British Admiralty Regulations, anyway, bar and most of the gold, most of the flags have gold fringes. Oh boy. But the hospitals. So get back to the hospitals now. Yeah, that's, that's, uh, that's a mass man. And here is this next clip. I just want to run through some of the stupidity here. Yeah. So here, listen to this. Okay. And so the, uh, when you go in, if you're going, I know some of you are still using your HMOs and your PPO's and all these different health management systems, because that's what they are. They're there to

manage your disease. You've got to be aware that when you go in, it's like a recruitment scheme to scare you. They create fear. F E A R false evidence appearing real. And then they got you. If you turn it into an acronym, it must be true, Dan. See, that's something that I remember from Gary Busey saying all the time when he was on celebrity rehab. Yep. And I also have heard that. Wait, so is Gary Busey a sovereign citizen? No, he just uses acronyms for everything. That's my favorite. Is it a domain who does the great Gary Busey? Yeah. Yeah. And he, he does a million acronyms for literally every possible thing. Yeah. A domain's great man. You would, yeah, you would, uh, not a domain, but Busey would do that all over VH1 television in the,

in the years when I was watching a ton of it. Did not know that. Yeah. So do you just get the sense that this guy is coming from not a healthy place? Ironically, as he's presenting himself as a doctor. Nice. Uh, but we do get, do you know what this sounds so much like while they're doing this right now? This sounds like, like daytime TV for, you know, like moms watching Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's that, it's that same kind of conspiratorial bullshit. It's crazy. But for lunatics. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. What are they, what are they doing? This is pathetic. It's, it's a little scary, but it gets really interesting here at the end because what happens is an actual doctor calls in. Oh no. An oncologist calls in. Oh no. And he wants to point out that

this is bad. Uh, guys, I Googled your school and, uh, would you please give me, uh, perhaps an address? Nope. He is a phone number. He is much nicer than someone asking that kind of question might be. Uh, you're on the air of Scott. Hi. Um, you know, I think the world is not so black and white as your guess is portraying it. I'm an oncologist and there's a 90% cure rate for testicular cancer. A young guy has testicular cancer and he, because he listens to your guest, does not go to a doctor. There's a good chance he's going to die where he has a 90% cure rate. Does your guest have that kind of, uh, treatment success with, you know, vitamins? I don't think so. So he brings up a very good point and that's whatever the fake doctor, like he, he,

he heard the man say oncologist and then he disappears in a puff of smoke like a cartoon. Whoops, gotta exit stage left. Bye bye. So he brings up a very good point and that is that this is dangerous. This is what you're putting out into the world. Unless you can back this up with some kind of like study, some research that you've done, some peer reviewed information. And, and I'm telling you that we don't have a ton of clips of this, but this doctor who calls in is incredibly fair and he keeps saying like, I believe that there is a place for holistic approaches. Uh, there are people who incorporate it really well and have shown, uh, some techniques do have some appropriate applications. He's not coming in to being like, you're full of shit. Right.

Just saying that like, Hey, listen, if someone who could be helped with early detection of a cancer, let's say doesn't do it because he believes this guy, he might die. You might be killing people. Oh, what's that? Oh, you're, you're, you, what, you test stick to your texticular cancer has a 90% cure rate with your death trap medicine. Do you know what I have with fish oil? 91% cure rate, Dan science. You're not far off. Done. You're not far off from Whitaker's response. Okay, of course. I mean, you made some pain. Why, why, why would I? Whitaker, you want to comment on the oncologist? Well, he, all he mentioned was testicular cancer. And who's the other one in formal? I've done both of those. I don't understand.

I'm calling you out diabetes. I would like to see your statistics. I highly doubt that. I've got a scientific study behind that. You doubt it. You're the arrogant person, sir. I mean, I, I'm a researcher. I'm a researcher. Why would I have to doubt it? If you say that, I believe you. Well, I'm not doubting you. Well, I mean, I would like to drop a study. So I can hold on. There are a lot of medical studies, though, about the power of different vitamins and minerals and plant extracts. I mean, that's out there. Yes, but there's a lot of synthetic vitamin studies that have been negative lately.

So, I, I love that response. I don't, why don't you believe me? I believe you. I don't, I don't think that Whitaker understands how science works. I don't think he understands how studies work or peer reviewed statistics. I don't think he understands. I just think he thinks that everyone who has ever come to him has been healed because he has, maybe they don't come back. Maybe they died, but he doesn't know that. I cured him. I can't imagine he does patient follow up anything like that. This is crazy. Like that response, the, that response is like, yeah, he's saying he has a 90% success rate with testicular cancer. I got 100% success rate. And then the doctor is saying like, I would like to see your statistics on that. It'd be like,

listen to this arrogance. Listen to this man being so arrogant. That is great. No, no. Do you know what, do you know what the answer to him being like, why don't you trust me? I believe what you're saying. The answer to that is you shouldn't. That's why we do this. Because whenever I publish a study, it's everybody else's job to not believe it until they can replicate the study. It's called science man. We don't just believe we're doing this. And the idea that he's saying like, you know, that like, why don't you believe me? I believe you thing. It does lead me to believe that Dr. Whitaker isn't even aware of the studies

about testicular cancer and the success rate and stuff like that. So that makes me a little concerned. But what makes me, where would he have learned about them? That fake school. What makes me more concerned about it though, is that Alex isn't concerned, you know, not at all that Alex is getting defensive and trying to back up Dr. Whitaker because he has the, you know, the anti vaccine arguments that Alex loves and that sort of thing. Or Alex bought 10,000 copies of his book could be and is going to need to get rid of those. So when you have, when you have this, like, it's clear that most of the world believes X, you believe Y and all of the sources that you can get to back up Y are people like him.

And like that lady, Dr. Rebecca Carly, who got her license taken away, you're like, if those are the only people you've got to back up your worldview, yeah, you're in trouble. You got a really bad worldview because if the like legitimate respectable scientists did not believe mainstream science and they believe the things that Alex believes, it would not be hard to get people who knew what they were talking about to come on your show and have a conversation about it. It wouldn't be hard. Yeah. And the fact that you get people like this is, it just means that it means that the pool is shallow. It's one of those, it's one of those big, big differences between people who know things and

study things and all of that shit versus these guys is, as you were saying, whenever this actual oncologist who has spent his entire life studying this shit goes on the show, he's very reasonable. He says stuff like, no, yes, we have seen that holistic approaches can benefit the patient. We've done that in a bunch of studies. He even calls out some guy who studied, I can't remember his name, but some guy who has like a credible study about it. And Alex is unaware of that guy, as is Dr. Whitaker. You have a point, but I would argue back and their argument is just, boo, you're wrong. Ha, ha, ha. And they make shit tons of money from it. Look at this arrogance. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's great. We have one more clip and it's after these,

these Dr. Priests in their ivory towers with their studies. Not all of us got to go to college. Scratch that. Could you edit that out? You've got a, you got a delay button, right? Don't, don't put that out there. According to his bio, he has a degree from Berkeley in civic engineering and that might be true. I don't know. Sure. Sure. Why wouldn't you have a degree from Berkeley in civic engineering and then all of a sudden decide to be a naturopath from his telling of the story. He ended up meeting a Native American on campus. Then we, then we traveled the land. Of course, I wore a black bandana. It was, I didn't want to get into this, but yeah, that is part of his, his backstory. Gotcha. But the

reason I didn't want to get into it is because it's kind of comical, but at the same time it's like, there's a chance he did go to Berkeley and there's a chance he did meet some Native American guy who got him off on his weird natural health path. All that stuff is possible. I can't, I don't know. I'm not going to, I'm not going to try and suss out his college transcript or anything. I'll leave that be and only talk about the stuff that I can sort of talk about. For sure. I'm just saying that a man who creates his own fake university awards himself his own fake degree, then having a backstory involving an Indian medicine man is not the way I'm going to go with this. I don't fucking know. Fucking Webster Tarpley went to Princeton. He was a scholar. So who knows? Anyway, in this last

clip, we hear Alex and Dr. Whitaker having a post game after they have ended the call with the oncologist. Kick that oncologist's ass, right? That was Scott from Maryland. We go back to Dr. Scott Whitaker. I mean, that guy was not half as arrogant as most medical people are, was he? Well, you know, just the fact that he would immediately just blow mine off. It's like, oh, here, I doubt that, you know, he carries on with his, his, his jargon, but, uh, you know, with everything else to be, uh, uh, go to school and if it doesn't fit into this certain box, then they don't believe it. Yes. That's science. That is, that is a raving lunatic. Well, he's, he's condemning the very idea of the scientific

method in terms of like repeatability of studies, confirmability, uh, excluding extraneous variables, that sort of thing. He's like, they, they just are so trapped in their scientific ideas. Like, yeah, man, good. I don't understand why that's a condemnation. You go to these colleges and if you don't think a certain way, you know, like with facts or whatever it is they call them, uh, then they're like, no, you're not allowed to go here. So you invent your own fake school. You, oh shit, you have a delay button, right? Press that delay button again. This is really just fucked up. I mean, it's a continuation of so many really fucked up things we see in terms of Alex's medical positions. You know, we have like that interview with

Rebecca Carly. That's really dangerous. You have him having like a stubble bind and Rebo on talking about, uh, don't get vaccinated. Right. This guy coming in expressing like all medicine just wants to kill you and that sort of stuff. And it's like, I mean, it's kind of old hat, but it's an interesting new character with a couple of flourishes. And so I just hate that. I hate these people so much for their complete and utter, like they are not hurting themselves. No, they're enriching themselves. Yeah. And if they get into any kind of medical trouble, they're going right to the fucking hospital. Not taking an herb. No, they're hurting other people. So we've come to the end of this adventure and what we see is an interesting prospect for the

future with Alex's, uh, his rhetoric sliding towards anti Glenn Beck involving UKIP weird constellation of things starting to happen. I think the ball might be starting to roll. It feels like it's starting to roll. Now that makes it worthwhile that we've spent so much time going over the last couple of months of Alex's career because once the ball starts rolling, it'll become so much more apparent the changes that are happening in real time as they're happening. So I'm excited to see that and we will see where the trend takes us and what conclusions we can make based on that. As for Alex having this fucking doctor on, that's just a look at this asshole kind of business. Yeah, that sucked. So, uh, hope you've enjoyed. We'll be back next

time. But for now, we have a website. Do we have a website? We do. What's it called? Knowledgefight.com. Oh, wait. So, so it's like www.knowledgefight.com, right? It's HTTP colon dash dash. There's no S. No, maybe. I don't know. It's HTTP, not HTTP. I never actually checked. I have no idea. I never actually checked to see if there was a difference or what the difference is. Well, the S I think is there when it's secured. So it's like if you're putting in credit card information or something like that. Really? Yeah. Oh, cool. Yeah. Oh, well, we are super unsecured. Yeah. If you put your credit card information on our website, I don't know where you would. They just posted it. But if you want one of the comments section, right? If you want to leave us your social security number,

you can do that on Twitter at Knowledge Underscore Fight. Don't do that. Absolutely. Don't do that. We're also on Facebook. We are. You can put your credit card information on the group that is go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Don't do that. What else, Dan? Oh, we're on iTunes. Yes, that's correct. You can subscribe, leave a review. Indeed, you can, Dan. I can't say that Dr. Whitaker hasn't been responsible for death. I would assume he's been at least tertiaryly responsible for one. I can say that oncologist probably hasn't killed anybody. I don't know. On purpose. I don't know anything about him. But what if he's an angel of death? Yeah, you never know. Yeah, those hospitals can be death trapped.

Man, we got a lot of people who might have some death in their past. Yeah, yeah. Who else do we have on there? Bob Chapman. No, no, no. Glenn Beck probably hasn't killed any. By his own hands, hasn't killed anybody. Maybe. Alex Jones, technically, probably. This is not satisfying in any way as a dichotomy, but whatever. Alex Jones probably technically killed a guy. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-name caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.