Knowledge Fight - #240: March 30-31, 2009

Episode Date: December 17, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see what they can learn about what Alex Jones was up to back in 2009. In this installment, the gents find Alex really mad that Obama planned to visit Queen Elizabeth, really mad that he has to let an old man tell limericks on his show to pay the bills, and really mad about Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are. Dan? Dan? Yeah. What was the last Assassin's Creed game you played? I think it was that one with the boats, Pirates. The pirate one? That's a great one. I had that one and one where it was American history on the Wii U. Yeah. That's the only, I only play Nintendo systems. You loved Assassin's Creed 3, right? I did. I got a lot of shit for that. A lot of people were really against me. I remember

my friend Kevin Brody, comedian Kevin Brody in particular, took me very harshly to task for liking that one because apparently the story in that one is looked at by cool kids as being the worst in the series or something. But I thought it was great. I loved homesteading. I liked going around and killing animals, making my house. Right. I love that. That's what everybody hated about that is there was so much of that. Really, I'm actually going to role play as a hunter for a long time. Loved it. I'm telling you. I'm out of the mainstream. I saw in the group somebody posting about Odyssey and I just finished it. Yeah. I hear it's great. It's fucking great. Yeah. I mean, I love that style of game. I could do with less murder in it perhaps,

but I like that style of game a lot and I wish that I had a system or I wish I wasn't so dedicated to Nintendo, but I am and I'm never going to get away from that. It's what's going to be. Also in the group is pointed out that we keep saying we drink novelty beverages and never point out what they are. So today we are drinking Mountain Dew Kickstart Blueberry Pomegranate. Yeah. It's best that you don't know that. But now you do. Anyway, this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones and I only know what you tell me about it. And that is the fun. Indeed. So Jordan, today we're in the past. That's right. We're in March 2009, March 31st and 30th. All right. That's not how most people would say that. No. 30th and the 31st. Most people would remember

that there are 31 days in March and I had a hard time when you said, I don't remember any of that. I know that rhyme that people use to have the days in months and so I've never been able to remember that. What's the, I think the one is the Knuckles, right? Maybe. That one where it's like January, like January, February, don't even. Look, I know February has got 28 most of the time. October has 31. I know that because of Halloween. Right. December has got 31. I know that because of New Year's. I thought it was because of Christmas. Nope. Then it would be 25 days. That is not correct. The rest, crap shoot. Could be anything. My birthday is in April. I have no idea how many days are in April. I know August has 31 because of that fucking guy, Augustus. He had to have 31.

Is that right? No, I don't think so. Okay. I was willing to believe you. Yeah. Anyway, March does have 31 and we're going over the 30th and 31st today. But before we get to that, I'd like to say, take a little time to say thank you to some people who probably know how many days there are in a month because they're real cool. That's a great transition, right? Thanks. Some new donors, people who have joined up with the show would like to say thank you. First of all, Chris, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much, Chris. Also, I'd like to say thank you to Joe. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Joe. Thank you very much, Joe. Also, Matthew, thank you. You are now a policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. You know what? Some days we get soda spiders and anime wave foods and some days we get Chris, Joe and Matthew and we still appreciate it all the same. We even have like a last initial on that. Everybody today is Cher, essentially. One name only. Yeah, sure. And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who came in, donated on a little bit of an elevated level. We appreciate it also very much. So Dominic, you are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much, Dominic. Thank you very much, Dominic. If you out there listening and you're thinking, I like this show, I'd like to support what these fellows do, you can go to our website, KnowledgeFight.com. Click that button that says support the show and we would appreciate it. Absolutely. So down to business. Jordan, today, this is a crazy, this is a crazy little couple of days in Alex's life. Yeah, because what we saw on the last couple of episodes, we had the John Birch Society president, McManus come in and Alex waffle on some of his positions in front of him. Cow tower. Oh, yeah. As it were. And then showing his belly as you would. Absolutely. And then the next day, him launching pretty hard into a,

go fuck yourself, Glenn Beck kind of thing. Right. So I kind of expected those themes to continue and it doesn't. As always, it's just dropped. No, he jumps into a completely new narrative. A couple of a couple of completely new narratives that one of them at least is very interesting. And some other ones are not so interesting at all. And the first one is one of those not so interesting ones. It turns out, you know how in 2017, Paul Joseph Watson and Alex got really into calling people soy boys. I do remember that. Everybody was like, Hey, you guys, you guys are mad at soy. Turns out Alex has been mad at soy for a decade. We also have a lady who has an organization that tracks the abuse of prisoners in jails,

but not just the physical abuse, but the medical abuse and also how some of their diets consist of close to 60, 70% of soy filled with estrogen and the health problems the men are having are just absolutely off the chart. Of course, most of the school children are eating close to half soy. And so that's one reason the boys are so effeminate and just so happens the plastic sounds right. We drink out of the most popular plastic leeches estrogen. So it hyper feminizes the girls going into puberty now at age three. Sure. 14, then 10, then nine and eight, now seven, now hundreds of thousands in the, in the West in age three to four. No, that is absurd. Mysteries of science, would it take to get puberty to happen at three? Well, what he's

talking about is like sort of pre pubertal indicators and stuff like that, like adipose tissue growing in breast areas, stuff like that. And most most scientists that I've heard write about it, they link that much more to obesity and like people being more overweight now. But the inter in terms of like the hormonal aspects of it, that like the men's sees and stuff like that, that hasn't gone down significantly since the 1200. It's not, it's not three. I thought it was like, it was going higher in age, right? I'm not sure. I'm not fully up on the science. So I feel like I would be sort of, I would be in the wrong to talk about it. But I do know that what he's talking about clearly has to be just this idea of like

pre pubertal indicators and stuff like that, which is, as you said, most likely a function of obesity. It is also probably because we are all eating soybeans that have been injected with estrogen. I assume that's what he's talking about. Soy boys. Soy boys. Well, soy ladies. At this point, that's, that's more what he's, he's complaining about. Sure. It's wild that that's there back then. What is it about soy that these people hate so much? Well, I think it's probably that it's being pitched as a replacement for meat. And a lot of the people who have financial interest in the world are big farms and stuff like that. People who have large kill operations going big beef. Right. That's sort of, they probably have a lot of financial

tendrils out there in the same way that like the coal and gas industry do. I think it's probably very similar. Demonizing soy is a way of attacking the idea of going vegetarian. Right. People absolutely hate doing anything to stop climate change. It is a despicable act. And that might be their primary piece of it, but it also could just be protecting their meat operations. Right. Which unfortunately has the byproduct also of being a very polluting industry. It's Exxon saying that we shouldn't have any carbon taxes. It's the same shit. Right. I think that, I think it would be not too far of a leap to make that argument that the reason that, you know, I don't know if it's why Alex does, but I think a lot of the soy

hatred, I almost said soy beef, a lot of the soy hatred that you see probably traces back to some sort of agribusiness money that comes in through lobbying and stuff like that. I would assume. Anyway, in this next clip, what we see here is that Alex is not off the mandatory service bill narrative. He's still on that narrative, even though it has passed both the Senate and the House. And at this point, all of the language that he was concerned about has been stripped out of the bill. It doesn't exist as Alex is presenting it, but he is now declaring it dead, but the danger is not gone. And so you can go to the bill and we're going to give you the subsection right now to read this. We need to put pressure on them again to have them pull it out yet again.

There's a new bill. There's a new bill with the same language. And they will continue to introduce bills, look to fight and fight and fight and fight. And then if they pass the draft, the mandatory takeover of society, indentured servitude, slavery, bondage, serfdom, feudalism, naturally, if they're able to do this, we need to then fight its implementation and say no, no, no. And that's where civil disobedience comes in. Mandatory service bill lives on. It seemed like a victory of sorts. Last week, the Senate approved a bill to radically expand the AmeriCorps program. The bill initially contained language that proposed a study for mandatory service for all young people in the United States. And it listed a bunch of other

stuff too. But this language was removed as the bill moved through the Senate and did not appear in the final version. No, the house. Well, it's back. The language was stripped from one bill, but it suddenly appeared in another. It is now contained in HR 1444. HR 1444. So this is just Alex reading from an info wars article. And so obviously, the sort of the details are going to be murky on it. It's not going to be necessarily true. So of course, the language was taken out as it went through the Senate. That's not true. It was taken out when it went through the house. That language was never there in the Senate version of the bill. So that's number one. They're fucking up the timeline of it entirely in order to present

their version of it that is massive resistance against this got that language taken out when the language was already taken out by the time that Alex's false resistance ever got involved. Now, HR 1444 is the bill that Alex is talking about here. It was introduced on March 11 2009, a good 20 days before this episode we're listening to here. And just two days after the original mandatory service bill Alex is making shit up about was introduced. From what I can tell, it looks like the reason for this was that the language in the original bill HR 1388 about setting up a commission to explore the reasons for languishing volunteerism in America was already in process of being taken out of that original bill. So as it was being introduced separately to

remove that sticking point from HR 1388, which would allow it to pass the house easier. That same day March 11 HR 1444 was introduced. It was sent to committee where it died. No action had been taken on the bill since its introduction. And it had zero momentum. It had been dead in committee for 20 days before Alex knew it existed. And it had been dead in committee for a week by the time HR 1388 had passed the house. See now that is his brilliant move. That is remember on our on our last episode whenever he started crying, immediately following finding out that it's not going anywhere. And we postulate or I postulated that his tears were because he couldn't use it as a propaganda tool anymore. But now he gets a fresh new life. Exactly. So now he's like it looked like

a victory. But now I can lie about a bill that you won't look into that nobody's looking into because it's fucking gone. And as long as it's in committee, you can have like it's Schrodinger's bill. You know, it could be passed tomorrow. It won't be. No, Alex is way off on all the details of this. But he's also profoundly late to the party. Like if you had any decent staff, they would have been covering this on the March 11 episode of the show, not the fucking March 31 episode. This is nonsense. This is just this is sloppy. Better late than never. I guess you got to get in this case. No, strike when the iron is really, really cold and in the past because that's how you know you're a good Smith. Hell yeah. Any fucking blacksmith can make a sword out of a

hot piece of iron. You make one out of a cold one. Oh man, if you can bend that cold piece of iron and fucking mold it into a sword, put it back on it's hammer it down down. It's all about the blacksmith, not the tools. Does that track I guess felt good. So I like this. I like this piece because it is funny when you look at the like historical framework of this and what he's doing and he should know that he, I can't say that he does know it, but based on how he presents himself as like a journalist and a researcher and all this stuff, he should know damn well what's going on here. They took that language out and put it in a separate bill and that bill died. That's what happened because it was to some extent even controversial, not just in right wing propaganda

circles, but in the right wing of Congress. Right, of course. So that would have ended up probably being a, it would make it much more difficult for HR 1388 to pass, which everyone was in favor of. You'd take that language out. Now the bill passes. It's great. So now the part that people disagreed on fucking dies in committee that happens all the time. It's a very standard Congress stuff. I think it's always important to note that we can neither confirm nor deny that Alex knows anything. That is true. You know, you, I have no, he should know this. Does he know it? I don't know. You're right. We only have our expectations of what a human should know to go on and those might be thrown out of the water. Yeah. Speaking of which, here's another thing

that he absolutely should know, uh, but he's contradicting on this one is crazy. Here's one out of the London telegraph. Gotta love this. Gotta ahead of the G 20 coming up in a few days. He's got a first go as a first sitting president for an audience. And so he can curtsy bow and people that were doubting, he would do this. Here's one in telegraph. Barack Obama's team prepare etiquette and gifts for president's meeting with the creature known as Queen Elizabeth. Barack Obama's team prepare etiquette and gifts for president's meeting with the queen. Disgusting queen, a hereditary ruler. I mean, how, how disgusting is this? Pretty disgusting. I guess. So Alex in that clip said he's the first sitting president to go meet

with the queen. That doesn't track. At age, at age 25, before she was made queen, Elizabeth met with president Harry Truman, acting as a proxy for her father, King George the sixth, who was severely ill at the time in 1957. Now is the queen. Elizabeth came to the United States where she met with Dwight D. Eisenhower. She was in attendance for a state dinner and even met with former president Hoover at the Waldorf Astoria. In 1959, Eisenhower would visit Balmoral and visit with Elizabeth again on her turf. In 1961, JFK and Jackie visited London where they met with Elizabeth and attended a lavish state dinner at Buckingham Palace. In 1969, she met with Richard Nixon, although she had already met with him in 1957 when he was Eisenhower's vice president. In 1976,

Elizabeth was invited to a grand celebration just after the bicentennial to commemorate the continuing friendship between the United States and the UK. She was invited by Gerald Ford and there are even famous pictures of the two of them dancing together. Ford even said to her, quote, the U.S. has never forgotten its British heritage. In 1977, she hosted Jimmy Carter at Buckingham Palace, where he famously made the inappropriate gesture of kissing the queen on the lips. Much to the queen and everyone's disapproval. That was an international scandal. Best move of Jimmy Carter's career. Guaranteed. Everyone was, why, that was like, why did you do that? Hilarious. Yeah. I love that. In 1982, Reagan visited the queen at Windsor Castle and

became the first president to stay the night there. He would return to visit the queen in the UK three more times during his tenure in office. In 1989, George H. W. Bush met with Elizabeth in London and she visited him here in 1991. In 1994, Bill Clinton went to the UK, met with the queen. George W. Bush met with Elizabeth in 2001 and in 2003, he was the first president to visit on what was technically a state visit to the queen. The specific definition is hard to nail down, but it has something to do with pageantry and having to consult Tony Blair about the visit in addition to the queen. That's the worst thing that you can do. Having to consult with Tony Blair is the worst sentence that you can imagine. Yeah. So when the Obama's visited in 2009,

the world was scandalized when Michelle hugged Elizabeth, which is less egregious than Carter's behavior. Oh, still great. But still might have been against royal protocol, which is really weird. There's this whole thing about you can't initiate contact with the queen. Even to shake her hand, she has to initiate that contact. I know, but that doesn't have to make it. Shouldn't Alex be like the most happy about Michelle hugging the queen? Isn't that the ultimate act of American disobedience? Maybe he will be once and he won't be. No, of course not. Yeah. I could see that argument. So, so hold on. Wait, wait, wait, real quick. Just literally every president, not literally. Well, Nixon, the, oh, no, Nixon met with her twice as vice president under Eisenhower and as

president. That's right. The only president not to meet with the queen during the years that she has been alive and on the throne is LBJ. He is the only president and most likely that is only because of schedules and because of the Vietnam War. Those are the, like he's the only president. All of those people pretty much have gone like with very few exceptions have gone and visited the queen in the UK and hosted her here. It's crazy. So he's also talking about bowing to her because he's like, he's trying to make this seem like some sort of a real scandal. So as to the question of bowing, I would like to say, who gives a shit? There's this interesting story out of George HW Bush's presidency that shows how stupid this fake outrage is. Very soon after he was inaugurated,

went to Japan to attend the funeral of Emperor Hirohito. It was a very complicated situation since Hirohito had been the leader during World War II and Bush was a veteran of that war. His plane was even shot down during the war. In effect, he was attending the funeral of his enemy's leader, but now he was the leader of our country and we weren't at war anymore. It's a very complicated dynamic. Bush attended that funeral and when he was in line for the procession up to the casket and he reached the casket, he bowed to the deceased emperor. When he was asked about it, he made the point that it was a sign of respect and the world had changed and the US is now friends with Japan and it's customary in Japanese culture. So he was showing respect to our now

ally and friend. After this, he was roundly criticized by the right for bowing to anyone because some picadillos of the conservative propaganda are ever green. It was bullshit and a cheap talking point to attack Bush back then for this and it's bullshit and a cheap talking point for Alex now to use this to attack Obama. Now just for fun, when I was looking into this, I found a hilarious collection of pictures of Eisenhower bowing to people. It's crazy. He bowed to everybody. He just like, there's pictures of him bowing to Pope John the 23rd to the wife of then Italian Prime Minister Giovanni Granci to Greek Orthodox Archbishop Ecavos of New York and once to Charles de Gaulle. Really? Yeah, he bowed to everybody. I wouldn't bow to de Gaulle.

Eisenhower loved bowing. I mean, I miss it. Remember when a controversy was diplomatic politeness? That's a controversy. To Alex, that's not what this is. Trump jerked off on the queen's face is the next fucking politeness we have. No, it was with Trump, it was actually that he kept walking in front of her. That's right. That's right. Couldn't keep pace with the queen, which is very rude. It is not done. Yeah, that's a man. I'm a big fan. I didn't know Carter kissed the queen on a lips. Oh, yeah, that's hilarious. That's wild stuff. I love that. Yeah, that was a very, that was a huge breach. Although at the same time, that is a, I don't know if it meet a hashtag me too now. I don't know. I mean, it's unwelcome. I know that it's not a romantic kiss. It's a kiss

in the kiss on the cheek European way, but he went for the mouth. Did he miss? Maybe he just missed. He's Jimmy Carter. He can. I don't know, man. It's a weird piece of sort of foreign relations history. But like my point about all this is that like, first of all, almost every president, everyone except for LBJ has gone and met with the queen. That is not a big deal. They're one of our biggest allies and she's the presumptive head of the country, even though it's imaginary. Right. It's still, let's have fun with this or whatever. So there's that. There's that element that Alex is clearly just making bullshit up about. And then with the bowing thing, it's, it's complete nonsense too. He's just trying to score points. His version of it would be that like it's showing

deference and giving up our sovereignty to a foreign leader or something like that. But it's, it's not really. So is shaking hands just being polite in any way is the United States president as head of America should be walking around with his dick out, slapping people in the face, if you doesn't like them. Is that what you really want? More or less, I think Alex does. Isn't that kind of the, the idea that they have for what the American president should do? Yeah. And if you watch the video of Obama meeting the queen, he doesn't bow. He gives a little bit of a head nod or whatever. It's not, it's not, it's not like, it's not at the shoulders and it's definitely not at the waist. Now, but there is a little bit of a, hey, hey, guess what? We're

doing this. I would make, I would say that what ends up happening is very close to like doffing your cap. Yeah. You know, it's, it's that close in terms of like a polite greeting gesture of some sort. It is not a scandal. Right. It is not bowing to the queen to show submission to the throne or something, which is what Alex would want it to be. That is, that is kind of a suggestion though that his team did do a lot of research on etiquette because in, if you are going to make that argument of like, well, the American president shouldn't bow to that, there were differing levels of bow that showed differing levels of respect and what people, how people would interpret it and stuff like, and what's an appropriate gift and stuff like that. There is an entire department

in the, in the executive branch about that. Yeah. That keeps track of foreign cultures and stuff like that. So when you go overseas and you meet with a foreign leader, you don't fucking embarrass yourself. Right. That it's an important piece of diplomacy. So I don't, there's no scandal here in terms of Obama's team telling him what's appropriate when you meet the queen. Yeah. He was a, he was a fucking like state senator and then a senator. He's not met a royal before, probably. There's no reason to assume he's met a queen. No. I would have no idea how to handle myself without training. If I were to meet a royal, I would cause a scandal. I'm going to go with fist bump. Oh, absolutely. Would that do it? No, that's what Michelle did. Terrorist fist bump.

Terrorist fist bump Obama. We're on, on, if we were doing a bracket, all right. I would say that the final two would be HW throwing up on the Japanese prime minister. But that was, that was Hirohito's son. Oh, no, no, no. It was the prime minister. Yeah. My bad. And Carter kissing the queen. Which are you going to go with? Who wins? I would say Carter because at least with Bush, throwing up is almost always an involuntary thing. Right. Sure. You shouldn't have thrown up on the guy. That part is kind of a, but that's a panic choice kind of thing. I think so. I think it's like a pop. This is happening. Throw it up anywhere. Sure. It's, but he might have, you know, the involuntary nature of it, he might have been looking at him when it happened or whatever. Right.

Right. Right. Sometimes vomiting could be pretty immediate, is all I'm saying. Yeah. Carter could have not kissed the queen. Maybe he missed. He could have missed. I don't think so. I, what, now I'm just imagining all the different ways that HW could have vomited in that situation. And the relative, I feel like that's not a judicious use of our time. I think it's a great idea. Okay. So he throws up on the table. Is that better or worse than the prime minister's lab? Better. You think so? Yes. Unless it's an insult to the chef. That's a whole new scandal. I don't know. Anyway, let's, let's move along because we're still on this topic a little bit on the 30th here. Alex has Webster Tarpley in studio to have an interview. And there's a really interesting

thing happening that they're not really having a conversation. Webster Tarpley is just fucking holding court for most of it. He'd also been on the 29th episode, the Sunday episode. And so I noticed that he was saying almost the exact same things to the point where I thought Alex was just playing the interview for Sunday and then pretending it. He was in studio. Oh, that's smart. It's not. He's just saying the exact same things over and over again. There was a rain delay. So they're like, roll out the Tarpley. Exactly. All right. So all right, that one wasn't good. He says like the Obama Deception is a masterpiece. You're going to end up getting awards for this. That sort of shit. But then the two of them have a little bit of a bull session

about this idea of Obama going to meet the queen and Tarpley says some things that are not good. He's being received on April Fool's Day tomorrow. Then he goes on to Europe for the G20 and it says London Telegraph. April 20 or April 1st is not the next day after this. March 31st is. He is practicing etiquette and gifts and how to bow to her. London. The Calta. By the way, the first sitting US president to go for an audience, he has been summoned. It's the first US president. Well, my friend Phil Berg of Philadelphia. It has a case in federal court, which according to which Obama may well be a citizen of the British Empire by virtue of being born in Kenya, which would make him ineligible for the president. He's either a citizen of

Kenya or of Indonesia. Indonesia may be a little bit more likely, but he may indeed be a citizen of Kenya. I think there's a real question about whether he's qualified to be the president. I know why. I know why Tarpley. Why do you think that Tarpley? Why do you think that the American president isn't born in this country? I got a hunch on your theory. I wonder if Webster Tarpley stands by that now. I bet he does. I wonder what Phil Berg is up to. I don't know. We should check into that. What is Phil Berg up to? I don't give a shit. Philly Phil. So Webster Tarpley's interview is a zero and we don't need to talk much about it here. A lot of it probably could just be said like fairly similar to stuff in the Obama deception and useless. Yeah. So after this,

Alex has a Luke Radowski call in. One of the guys from We Are Change, Ron Paul Booster and all that shit. Apparently a couple of days prior, Luke Radowski had been sent to the clink. He got arrested because he was, I don't know. I don't fucking care about this story. I'll be perfectly honest. I'm just going to play this clip where Luke explains his arrest because I want to play the clip after this. So here's Luke explaining what happened to him. I don't think this is accurate at all, but whatever. Surprise. First of all, I want to thank you and your listeners for calling into the police station last night. My friend Anthony and Manny, they were listening to the police officers talking over about the press pass on how they wanted to charge me with

having a fake press pass. It was your callers. It was you that called in and got the charges dropped. They are charging me with criminal trespass for walking into a hotel, nothing else. I was never asked to leave. I walked into the hotel and as soon as I did, I was on the third floor. I was immediately ID'd by Bloomberg's personal security guards and police intelligence. I was brought downstairs. When I was brought downstairs, I was told I was detained. I asked them, why am I being detained? Why? What's the probable cause? They're like, no, just stay here. You're detained. Press pass? But the police intelligence by me, then the police intelligence got the police officers and they told them this kid won't leave. And I was asking, I was like, can I please leave? Can I

please get out of here? Can I please go home? They're like, no, you stay here. They went to the other police officers and they said, oh, you won't leave when we tell them to leave. I was already on the first floor. So that's a frame up. Stop right there. Let me stop you, Luke. So that's convoluted and I think what's going on here most likely is just Luke misunderstanding what had happened. He had a fake press pass or one that wasn't recognized by this event. And so he was not considered to be press. He had no reason to be there. If it was a fundraiser, probably tickets you have to pay unless you're part of the legitimate press. So he was someone who was trespassing there. They detained him and told him to hold on. Then when they got other people over

and they're like, they say, this guy won't leave. It wasn't about when they said, you're detained or whatever. It's the part before that they not leaving part. Because I know a bit about Luke Radowski. I know a little bit. He yells a lot. I don't know anything about Luke Radowski, but I can already tell you right now that Bloomberg's people did not know who Luke Radowski was. Probably not. And he probably, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, brought attention to himself somehow. I've seen a lot of videos of him and one of his trademark things is screaming at people. So I would believe based on the fact that I have no evidence to the contrary that when he was told his press pass was no good, he probably yelled about how I am the press.

Maybe something like that seems kind of in his character. I'm not, I'm not entirely sure. Anyway, I don't believe his version of the story. It's not, it seems like nonsense to me. He pulled the press pass version of I am the manager. Right. Yeah, more or less. So that is the setup of this story and the version that Luke wants to tell. Again, I only played it so I could play this next clip where Alex seems to be telling Luke to quit. Like, don't do this anymore. You got it. I think Alex is trying to talk him out of being a part of his movement. You know, already the lawyer you guys had for the last case of this then died mysteriously. Tell folks about what happened with that. Well, I just wanted to let you know that this was an official press event. This was a

Bloomberg fundraiser that other press people were attending. No, no, no, no, actual press. Luke, a year and a half ago, they already tried to say you had a bomb and your camera was a gun and you get death threats at your house. All I'm telling you is go ahead and do what you're doing if you want, but be prepared for him to kill you. I mean, be prepared for us six months from now to hear Luke Redosky OD or Luke Redosky jumped off a bridge or Luke Redosky shot himself in the head three times. I'm saying be fully conscious of the area that you're entering here. Okay. These people shut up governors. They don't, they don't care. Okay. And thank God we already caught him trying to plant bombs on you. So all I'm telling you is be conscious. You're 22 years

old. You're not bulletproof. I'm telling you that in warfare and info war, there's a certain time to break off things. And when you know what you're going up against, I mean, you know, it's going to be hell just to try to get you out of this. And I know they're wrong. They're criminals. They're lying. All of this. I'm not trying to preach at you. I care about you. And I'm just telling you, watch yourself and you really need to think about what you're, you know, I understand it's a press conference. I understand you have a right. I understand it's a hotel with restaurants and bars and you would have left if they told you to leave like you always do. I know I'm saying they're turning up the heat. You go to other events on the street. His secured people run

up to you separately and say, that's Luke Radowski. I'm just saying they're on you. That's his own story. He said that they asked him to leave. Well, yeah, sort of. Look, my point here, my issue is this seems like an Alex who has his humanity intact more than present day. You think so? Well, like on our Friday episode last week, we heard him having a complete breakdown because Gavin McGinnis doesn't want to do this anymore. That's true. And now we see in 2009, I think he feels really bad about the world he has introduced Luke Radowski into because Luke Radowski is very inspired by Alex. He considers himself many Alex Jones young, young gun Alex Jones out there on the streets. Not good. No,

not great. So I think there's a, I think what you're hearing expressed there is Alex feeling a little bit of guilt and, and, and a concern that Luke is going to get himself in bigger trouble. And then he'll have to feel bad about it. I am never, ever not shocked by how we do an episode in the present. And then by, I guess, coincidence, our very next episode in the past, he does the exact opposite. It is weird. And it's not the exact opposite, but there are such thematic parallels and discrepancies here. It is very wild to see what, what could be like a sort of fair pep talk to a colleague, ally in the past, and a very unfair one in the present. It is interesting. Yeah.

Go ahead and keep doing what you're doing. They're just going to kill you. I mean, there's no big deal. I would suggest you stop doing it, but go ahead and get Gavin. You're going to do it. Gavin, do it. I'm ready to kill people. I want to kill. Yeah. It's insane. It's insane to see like how sort of similar stimulus creates such a different response in different time periods. Some would say that's a sign of deterioration. Well, on the other hand, there is a certain amount of Luke accepts the paternal relationship, whereas Gavin did not accept it. That is true. So, so part of Alex's, also it's because Gavin's three years older. Exactly. Which is bananas. Yeah. But part of that frustration has to come from like,

this is a clear hierarchy, whereas Gavin seems to be his equal. But I think that that's why Alex can feel those things. Right. That's probably why he is able to access those emotions. Right. Because Luke has willingly entered that power dynamic. Right. Yeah. I think it's possible that Alex just can't contextualize relationships outside of the very rigid norms that he's accustomed to. Speaking of people who are subordinate to him in this next clip, we get to catch up with young Rob do. Oh, who also isn't as young as he seems. How old is Rob do now? He's as old as Alex. Right. So, back then he's 15 mid 30s, probably, I think probably 35 at least. So Alex has sent Rob do

and someone else. I don't remember the guy's name. He doesn't still work in infowars. He's a junior varsity player at least. Right. At best. He's sent them to Sacramento because Alex has got a big narrative cooking in Sacramento about how there's a homeless camp there is a tent city and Arnold Schwarzenegger has come in and said that all of these people that are living at this tent city need to be taken to the fairgrounds naturally where they will be housed. And Alex has created this as a proto FEMA camp. Right. I assumed it was more about the relevance of the Sacramento Kings to the NBA at that point in time. Nothing to do with that. Right. It has to do with Arnold Schwarzenegger, yes, governor of California, California, running

a proto FEMA camp. And this is how I solved the fact that Alex owns Arnold exposed. This is what that is about. This is what that's about. Yeah. Okay. He has decided that Arnold Schwarzenegger is doing a trial run of FEMA camps with this tent city in Sacramento, and he has dispatched two employees who are incompetent to go and cover it. Okay. So wait, is, is, uh, uh, Arnold visiting the FEMA camp? No, but he had. Okay. He had gone down there. All right. Spoiler alert. This isn't anything about, uh, uh, Arnold. He just sort of agreed with the and approved of the policy. It was the mayor of Sacramento, who's got really the power force behind this. But we'll get into this because I have, I have a lot to say about Alex's narrative and where he's getting the

ideas from the spouses. I can track those down to exactly where they came from. Okay. And I know exactly why he cares about you're so excited. It has nothing to do with FEMA camps. You love getting the exact source correctly. So here is Alex having a little chat with Rob do live and direct from Sacramento. Rob, dude, tell me about your experience when you got into Los Angeles, what you saw there with the homeless intense cities, what you've witnessed up in Sacramento. Oh, by the way, I don't think I have a clip of this, but Rob do and this other guy say that they went to Los Angeles and the other guy is from Los Angeles. So he knows where all the homeless people hang out. Right. And he goes there and there's nobody there. Are you fucking

kidding me? Do you go to skid row in 2009? Did you because it was still fucking nightmare zone? No, they were all hidden by Arnold. I can't about they keep saying like all these homeless people are gone in Los Angeles. I couldn't find a homeless person couldn't find a homeless person in LA. That might be me embellishing, but that isn't the point. Essentially what they're doing. Oh, man. Oh, they're now gonna force them. There's and I have a video clip coming up with Schwarzenegger and the Sacramento mayor saying, look, tough love, you can't just live out here in tents. We're going to make you go. It's more about the fact that they didn't have running water or any sanitation out there and it was a public health crisis to the fairgrounds.

So Rob do joining us from California. Well, Alex, I don't think they're going to go quietly. Everything the people that we've been talking to here, they don't plan on going to this expo Cal Expo Center. They're very they really they don't get a lot of information or feedback from from the mayor or the city that they just come down all of a sudden and tell them things. And it's a real interesting environment that everybody that we've met so far has been really nice. These people just won't live here and be left alone. And you know, it's right at the edge of town and you go right over some railroad tracks where a levy is. And you could see there's at least in just one little area, there's at least three hundred tents kind of spread out over a few acres.

That's a massive embellishment of the number. But be that as it may, there are places like in Portland, I believe it's called dignity city or something like that, where they have places like resources that are available, porta potties running water and that's what they're provided by the city and people can make a tent like tent encampments there. This is not one of those situations. This is just a bunch of people living in tents in relative squalor with like there's interviews that I read where people are like, we shit on trees out back or stuff like that. It's deeply dangerous. And then also you have the possibility for people to be exploited. It's a recipe for disaster. Yeah, I don't understand what it's going to take to get people to recognize that

the homeless population being homeless is a public health disaster for you as well. There's so much that can be fucking mitigated in terms of disease, in terms of just because of Skid Row, there was a TV outbreak not not too many years back because of yeah, because of those high density and it's not their fault. It's not blaming the homeless people's fault. Absolutely not. Taking care of people is also taking care of yourself. And if that's the only way you can get there, then good. You should care about the people themselves. Yeah, if you want to do it out of self interest, fine, but at least get somewhere, you know, it'd be nice. But see, here's the thing is that this like Rob has already pointed out that everyone

was really nice. They're trying to present this image that these are a different kind of homeless people that hang out at this tent city that Alex, he's going to express it here. Hold on. Yeah, you know, I got that in this next clip. So they won't let you go out and live in the woods or go out and live on the side of the road or you live by a river and then try to raise money. They're going to force you in with the crack heads with the heroin heads with the schizophrenics with the, you know, the kind of baseline of classic homeless with this new homeless, the working poor, integrating them into this hellhole, taking their basic freedom away. And as the economy implodes, you're going to see more and more of this. And this is the precedent Obama has said,

and the bills introduced to set up these FEMA camps and your prisoners in them. So, so, so what are they saying? What are they saying that the expo center, the fairgrounds, is like? And are they saying they're going to be forced in? Well, a lot of them said they're not going to go if they said they try to force them in, they're going to say no, and they're either going to grab what they can grab and move farther back into the woods. So right there really quick, I'm sorry I cut you off. No, no, no. I wanted, I wanted him to make the, the point that he was going to make. But there at the end there, I just want to point out that Rob do his, like his exact

response to that question implies that no one is forcing anybody anywhere. The idea of like, if they try to force us in, we won't go. Well, they're not forcing you then, you know, yeah, this is anyway. No, I just completely missed the, the implication with him saying that they're nice. It's because what he's saying when he says they're actually really nice is, well, this isn't what you would expect from homeless people. We assume that homeless people aren't people like us. Well, there's that. But then there's also, like what Alex was saying in that clip, part and parcel of the, they're nice. Alex is trying to present this image that the people in this tent city are the recession refugees is the term that a lot of

people would use Hooverville's. Yeah. And this idea that all they're doing is trying to live in these tent cities for a little while to get a down payment for a house. Like he's, like he's legitimately saying that, which is, yeah, first of all, I mean, even if you don't know anything about that situation, that's crazy. Yeah. That that, like the idea of maybe getting a month's rent or something like that, conceivable, a down payment on a house in Sacramento. You're nuts. I'm just going to go live in this tent city for a few months to get about 15 to 20 grand to put a down payment on a house while I'm unemployed. Yeah, exactly. I'm just trying to get back on my feet, get a job so I can get a down payment on a house. Like the logistics of

this are absurd. Oh, once I get a job, I'll have that 15 to 20 grand. But Alex has an ulterior motive here in operation. And the reason he sent Rob do down there isn't to get to the bottom of the story. It isn't to help anybody. It's to get footage for his new documentary. No, I guess you guys are scheduled to come back tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow late in the evening, we're going to take off. I think about 6 30 at night. Well, I mean, this is a key shoot. You might think about moving the ticket to Wednesday because I need you to go back through that archipelago to, you know, to show these are people literally in the wild living back here and how it's, you know, a lot larger than what the news even shows. I need you to manufacture the reality I need for my new

documentary. I want you to exploit these people so I can continue to do this. Right. Absolutely. I need you to go use these people living in tents as a prop for me to make whatever argument I'm going to make. So there's a lot more to this story, but this is where it leaves off on the 30th. When we get back to it on the 31st, I will explain everything. But for now, but for now, Alex jumps ship and he gets to, he gets back to the mandatory service bill. And this next clip, Alex expresses exactly what I knew he would. And I was waiting for him to soul nations turning into a giant prison. I'm going to cover other news like mandatory service bill lives on alert alert. We barely got it pulled out last week. Thanks to your actions and others.

Huge viral stories on the web. Now it's back. They know we'll be less upset this time. Oh, we got to fight it again and they do it again. Oh, we got to fight it again. That's the psychology these people use. So Alex, I was just waiting for the moment he would take responsibility for getting the language taken out of the bill. Of course, to his credit, he hasn't up till this point, but now he's literally saying, we got it taken out last week because of your hard work and are getting the word out. They were forced to get rid of this enslavement language, even though they had already gotten rid of it prior to me even starting to talk about it. You bet. You, the listeners, but mainly me, managed to get this language taken out of the bill two weeks before

you knew it was there and two weeks before I knew it was gone. This is the way propaganda works. It's awesome. You take these ingredients like baking soda, flour, salt. Is that how you make propaganda? I don't know. Whatever. You take these ingredients. Is that bread or propaganda? Well, that's what I'm saying is you take these ingredients that are, you can't eat flour on your own. That's useless. You add a couple of things to it. You make bread in the same way. This, in the past, the reality is the flour. It's that you've taken, this language was taken out without you doing anything about it. So you add the baking soda, which is lying about the timeline, and now you got bread. You got propaganda bread. Metaphor isn't perfect, but when is it ever?

Do you throw any eggs in bread? Good. I don't know. I've never made bread. Let's make bread. Let's do it. Let's start selling a knowledge fight bread. Okay. I'm in. Yeah. Shabata only. Yes. Anyway, so at the beginning of the episode, the first clip we heard was Alex seeming to launch his crusade against soy. And he mentioned that he was going to have a guest on talking about the prisons. Her name is Karen Russo. And she works for an organization about that revolves around abuses in prison. She wants to talk about real shit. Yeah, because she's actually working to stop abuses in prison. I think. Okay. I don't know enough about her that I'm going to give her like a stamp of approval. But at the same time, in my looking into her,

I didn't see any huge red flags that you usually do with Alex's guests. Yeah. And on the prison time. And on this episode, she like Alex just keeps trying to steer her towards soy. And she just wants to talk about how like prisoners die and stuff like that. Just boil it down for us how you got into this your research. You cover a lot of different areas. But I've heard you on the radio talking about on the Genesis Network specifically prisons. And people can say, Oh, well, they're feeding them, you know, half their diet or more of soy. What's wrong with that? Well, they admit it's full of estrogen mimicking hormone and men grow breast. They have serious health problems. They gain weight. They're feeding us to close to half the diet and public schools is now soy

based. Same thing. There's just one small issue you cover though, isn't it? It is a small issue that I cover. And then she launches off in a different direction that isn't about soy. I don't I don't understand. He's already there. He's already there with the negative treatment of people in prisons. Why can't you just fold reality into your propaganda? You know, just like throw in, guess what? They're also mistreating prisoners this way. These are all the ways they're mistreating prisoners. Well, because he has a rampage against soy. And I mean, I'm telling you, she's having a conversation about about real things. Yeah, but you can throw soy in there, throw the throw at the real ingredients. You're more than welcome to do that. But the way he's doing it, it makes me

feel like he really wants to get this in. And it's what he wants this interview to be about. Here in this next clip, he steers her towards it again, in the middle of a different conversation. Going back to Karen Russo. Karen, I want to get into the soy issue, the diets. I mean, there's so many, but just continue with whatever you think's most important. And I'll hit on the diet. And I want to and I want to zero in on a couple of stats just so people can kind of get a handle on the numbers that we're talking about here. We are the only country in the world that incarcerates as many human beings. That is correct. There are 2.3 million folks locked up in a jail or a prison today. Yeah, but they're mostly black. So I like that. In addition to that

2.3 million are on probation and parole. That's a total of 7.4 million people. Yeah, let me stop you. I saw CBS News last year said 4 million. I'd always seen the 2.5 million. Well, I really think you can do with anything with statistics, but it goes back and I'm a real stickler for this, even with my clients. Statistics are statistics. No, no, that's what I'm asking you because you study this. What's the real number from here? 2.3 million are locked up. All right. He almost seems disappointed that the number isn't 4 million. I wanted it to be 4. What is that? 60% blue. I could yell about that. If you're telling me it's lower than a number that I've introduced as being a possible number then. I'm disappointed. This doesn't work for me.

Are you saying that there's 100 million people? No, 95. Boring. So, I mean, you can even see there the, like, we'll get to whatever you want to talk about, but I have more important issues I want to get to. That's the flavor of the entire interview, which is what kind of leads me to think that maybe she's not as crazy as most of Alex's guests. She might be someone who actually is interested in advocacy. Is he selling food at this time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's selling some food too. I'm guessing that because while I was going through there, I was like, why can't he just throw in actual issues and get people motivated? And there's, of course, two reasons. One, he has to demonize Soy so he can sell his

food because the government's putting estrogen in Soy, so you need to come direct to me because you know, I only put testosterone from my balls directly into this food. Beef testosterone. Exactly. And then two, because if you start talking about real shit, people are going to want to do something about it. It's possible and it detracts from some of the other points that he makes. Yeah. So, in this clip, I kind of started to get the feeling that maybe she wasn't so cool, but I think that she's making a good point poorly. And then Alex comes in and you were saying that he doesn't care because there's a lot of black people locked up. And this isn't about black people, but it's not the kind of thing I like

to hear. Every time an inmate gets let loose and he's got HIV, HCV, TB, MRSA, meningitis, you name it. Every time they're released out here, it is going to affect you. Next time you run through a fast food thing, understand who's washing the dishes. So that's the point that I think that she's making very poorly. That's a really poorly made point that I get, but that's not the way. I think that she's trying to get the audience and Alex to understand that, but the issues, it's the same thing you were talking about with the homeless people. Helping these people helps you and hurting them can hurt you. Yeah. If that's the baseline of getting you to understand this, then I think she articulates that poorly, but what's behind it is not like a protect yourself

from homeless people or prisoners. It is a treat people better argument. And so I'm all right with that. And I, I assume that part of that argument for her has to be, so if we have somebody in prison who has meningitis or who has TB, it's going to affect every other prisoner and we have 2.4 or 2.3 million people in prisons. That's a people. So that is what is, so by incarcerating so many people, we're spreading disease and then because they're going to be released, that disease is spread elsewhere among the population. It's interesting you're talking about the spread of diseases because that's exactly where Alex picks things up. Oh boy. Let's expand on that. Let's expand on that. You see it in medical journals, but you never see it in the news. Massive drug

resistant TB from the illegal aliens in the prisons, massive or I understand it was spreading, it's spreading out to everybody, but so she even chimes it. It's not illegal aliens. No, sir, sir, why did you know you didn't need to throw that in there? We're talking about people like you and me. Yeah. The point is that we're incarcerating so many people who shouldn't be incarcerated, not providing them with adequate care. Yeah. So her argument still while articulated, not as well as I would like it does. There are strong indications that she's not on the same tip as Alex. Right. So that's interesting. You know, just another little piece of bigotry and then a weird out of nowhere rampage against soy because he has not brought up soy boys at all

in the time that I've been listening to like the 2009 to 2008 stuff. So it's weird. It is out of nowhere, but it is also along the lines of things he said before, right, but just never targeting soy. Yeah. I think I agree with you in that so far she is kind of pushed back on demonizing anyone, which is why her point is kind of made poorly in that it sounds like she's demonizing people who are released from prison because they're working in your food production. If you're not very smart, it could be heard as an argument that you should be afraid of these sick people being let out of prison. And they should never be let out of prison. Or something like quarantine. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but that's not the point she's making. It's just if she was a little bit closer with

language, she would have made that point better. So that's the end of where we're going to talk about her. And that's the end of the 30th. And we go on to the 31st. And where we're going to start is somewhere really interesting because as we know, Alex is super against the banks that have had to be bailed out, giving bonuses to their CEOs. Agreed. And when he had John McManus, the head of the John Birch Society on his show, McManus made the point that who cares if these companies are giving people bonuses. That's the government stepping in and saying how you should be able to run a business. Free market. To which Alex said absolutely. That is absolutely the case. Give them all bonuses. Now just a couple days later, what does he say? Meanwhile, Limbaugh says it's free

market to let the bankers do this. And to give them all their bonuses of stolen money. And he calls Obama a socialist who's engineered all this and working with Limbaugh's handlers. What a joke. That is a joke. Yeah, I agree, Alex. I don't, I don't understand. So I, so it's less, it appears, it appears that it's less of like a changing of his morals as it is an absence of any. So when he has someone who he feels himself to be lower than on the hierarchy totem pole, like the president of John Birch Society, give me some more bonuses. Tell me how much bonuses I want to double it. If McManus was like, well, why should you tell private companies that they can't take contracts to build FEMA camps? I agree. Makes perfect sense. Total sense. Free market. I

love it. Alex is just, there's nothing behind any of this. You just get someone with high status around him and he'll just agree with him. Or somebody who he hates. Or no, I mean, the opposite being somebody who he hates, he'll just disagree with automatically regardless. Like for sport. Yeah. So there is a bit of news on the 31st and that is that the president of General Motors had stepped down. And this is in the aftermath of Obama saying he should step down because of the mismanagement of GM and how it crippled the auto industry and the government had to step in and make them solvent and that sort of thing. So everyone went buck wild with it and the story was that Obama fired him. Of course. God, I hate people. That doesn't track in terms of him just

saying he should resign and then he resigns. Right. That's a choice he made and should have. So here's Alex talking about how Obama fired the head of GM. Obama's dictator status expands with firing of Wagner. This is a prison planet.com story from Paul Joseph Watson. The staggering spectacle of a sitting president effectively firing the CEO of a private company heralds the beginning of a new phase and government takeover for enterprise according to the shocked economic observers. When you say effective firing, you're not really saying anything. No, because Obama didn't fire this guy. He didn't tell GM to fire him. Anything like that. It's just fun use of language to demonize somebody. It's kind of boring, actually. I mean, yeah, I shouldn't

he have just been imprisoned. Maybe like that's better than, you know, I mean, if Obama says, hey, he should step down with zero consequences whatsoever other than and not running. Yeah, not running GM anymore. That's not firing. If Obama was like, Hey, guess what? We're investigating you and now you're going to go to jail. Right? Well, bail out your company. Yeah, you're going to jail. You're fucked. Yeah, something like that. I don't know. Anyway, I'm not really interested in that narrative. I think it's just another way of pointing the finger at Obama unfairly, much like the he's bowing to the queen. He's bowing though. Now, you get another guest. It's one of our favorite guests. It's a guy who sells soap. Oh, boy,

are we going to get a lyric? Marty Schechter. Are we going to get a president of Calvin's soap drops by the show and he doesn't have a limerick. He has a limerick that one of Alex Jones's fans sent him. Oh, God, no, we've got all the phone calls we get the faxes we get the emails we get from satisfied users. It's a pleasure every day. And reading another email. I even got one guy more than emailed me. He sent me a limerick. And he says for that Alex Jones that I be found that sage young man of world renowned who already endorsement gave me hope that I'd be happy with your pure soul. Oh, boy, I heard another limerick every fucking time. You come on. I hear a goddamn limerick and I have to fake laugh at it. God, I could just

shactor. I don't want to take your money. You're ruining my show. What what soap company calls their patrons users users. Yeah, but users. I don't like it. So Alex has a employee in there in the studio and he's like, come on, get on mic here. You got you use the soap. And he's like, you know, you didn't believe me when I was talking about how great this soap is, but like soap you have, it's lasted you a year. That's not good soap. That's bad soap. Yeah, it's lasted me forever. And then I was like, how does this soap lasting you a year? Are you not using it? And then it turns out that it comes in 150 bar packages. That better last you a year. That better last you a fucking two years. Yeah. Yeah. Now I'm concerned you're using too much. So this isn't impressive

anymore. 150 bars of soap lasts a year. This is the this is the school bus sized air convert water converter that literally means you're going through what two and a half or one bar one every two days every two and a half days. Yeah, it's crazy. That's crazy too much. Maybe they're tiny little bars, but it could be. So Alex thinks that that's the limerick for the day. And he tries to he thinks he's done with the limerick. So then he tries to end the interview here in this next clip. All right, Marty, that was the first time he gave us somebody else's limerick next month. We'll get another one of your great lembricks. All right, we'll come back and get your limerick. Then I'll get into all the news. He is miserable. He hates this so much. It's

I got my limerick ready to go. I'll get you back after the next month. Next month we'll get your little oh great. We do not have to wait till next month. When they come back from break, Alex tees him up and Marty Schachter knocks him down. Yeah, real quick, Marty, you're known for your limericks. Give us a limerick. 19th century repeat. There was an old man of Nantucket who kept all his cash in a book careful, careful, careful, named Nan, ran away with a man. And as far as the bucket, Nantucket, par followed the pair to Portucket. Oh, we're still going with a bucket. Most people stop at one minute. You're welcome to Nan, but as for the bucket, Portucket. Then the pair followed Portucket, where we still have the cash as an asset. And Nan and the man

stole the money and ran and then this for the bucket, Nantucket. Marty, you're something else. You're one in a million. Take care, my friend. Thank you, guys. Talk to you soon, Bubba. You bet. 5starsub.com. Okay. Triple limerick. Oh, I want it. I want it. Oh, if there's some hell that I could wish upon Alex, it is just listening to his limerick. Yeah. Honestly, that one took me like two to three times listening to it to be like, what are you saying? I didn't get it. The end reveal of Manhasset is weird. Oh man. So the whole limerick is about this bucket. Hold on. Do we have Percy by Shelley in studio? We may. Lord Byron is here giving us a limerick about a bucket. I would prefer to receive some of his pubes. You're in dangerous territory

when you're doing a limerick and it starts with Nantucket. There's the dick so long you can suck it. There's the real urge to say fuck it. There's so many. It's just street limericks. Don't start with Nantucket and end well. He used street limericks? Yeah. Of course he doesn't use that language. His parents washed his mouth out with soap, which is where he got the idea. He was a user for the soap coming. He injects soap once every day. That tickled me to no end. I was very thrilled to hear Marty Schachter come in because like when I heard the first limerick, I was like, kind of disappointing that it was from a listener and it was about his soap. It was kind of like, and then when he came in with that, I was like, this is a really long limerick. This is amazing.

This is so amazing. And whenever you finish a limerick, Alex can't do anything but fake laugh and say, you're something else. You're something else. That's it. That's his script. It really is close to, it's the closest Alex could ever get to David Letterman in that it's like, I want to abuse my guest because you are the worst. So I'm going to do it in a damning, faint praise. But there's agents and stuff and if I'm too mean to you, then I won't get the other guests that I want. So now we get back here at the end of this 31st episode and we get back to this homeless camp, tent city narrative. And here is where we'll figure out what is really going on here. Alex sets things up and again, he wants to make the picture clear that these are people

trying to buy houses. The issue here is Schwarzenegger announced, the governor of Hawaii announced and others are announcing that you're not allowed to be homeless. They're going to force you into sports stadiums into fairgrounds and they make you, in California, go to the fairgrounds, the different facilities at, well at 5am they wake you up, they bus you out, wrap you off. If you're back at three o'clock to be brought back in, you're not allowed to take really any of your belongings. It's based on crowded cots and you wear bracelets. They want to scan you. It's basically a prison and this sets a very, very dangerous precedent as the depression intensifies and more people become homeless. Regular folks, the working poor,

want to go out and live in tents a few months on average is the story to raise enough money to get a down payment on a house to rent or an apartment because they've got a lot of money to be able to do that, to pay two or three months down as their deposit, the pet deposit and the rest of it. So, I mean, that's just ludicrous. This is a ludicrous presentation of the story, but that's already kind of the world we lived in with his coverage of the last time. Now, he's not going to talk to Rob do, he's going to talk to that other dude, Jason Sumplin or other, who's down there, he's the guy from LA who claims that there's no homeless people around or some shit. And we get another character, we get another homeless character in this,

in this saga and he is going to be used as a horribly exploitative prop or at least Alex wants to use him as such. I have no evidence that he succeeds in using him as such, but if you listen to this clip and think Alex has good intentions, you are high. You know, we just talked to a guy that got his, he got pulled over and because he didn't have insurance on his new Winnebago, they just took it. They took all of his belongings, everything he owned and left him out on the side of the street. And somebody pointed out Tent City and said, you know, we're camping out over there. And so that's how he made his way over here. Interesting story. How much will it be to unimpound his vehicle?

He was saying it was about a thousand dollars. Okay. I can't afford that. I know you guys are supposed to leave today and you're end up not having time to do this, but it's not just important for the film to show this. God damn it. Are they going to make him show up with insurance on top of it to be able to get it out? Yeah. He'll have to, he will have insurance in order for them to get it out. Is there, is there, look, I know your wives and children think you're coming back tonight. Can you change the ticket and stay another day and I'll wire you money and then you can get that whole process on tape to show this crime. This is key for the film.

Plus I want to help this guy. I will pay the thousand dollars to get the Winnebago out. I will pay to get him a month of insurance. I am such a great guy. I love that. This is key footage for the film. Also, I want to help this guy. Yeah. Kind of giving away what your motivations are. We really need to get this footage and as a completely altruistic gesture, I am going to get his Winnebago out and pay for one month of insurance when he will have this happen again in a month. And then two months later, he will be back in the impound lot. Most likely, but that's not key footage. No, no, no, no. So yeah, we get a situation here where Alex is trying to be very manipulative

and exploitative. And this next clip, I think should give you a sense of what's going on here. Alex has every reason to believe that this guy is white. Those cops had no soul. They should have just said, buddy, get insurance, get this off the road. And here's the nexus point. I've had sheriffs and police chief on us, but all over the news, illegal aliens, when they're caught 10, 15 to a van or Winnebago, the judges just release them. So police don't arrest them. I had an employee with an expired driver's license. One day I pull up to the office. There's two police cars and cherries. I pull up. I know to approach him from a distance. I walk up. The police kind of charge up to me. What do you want? And they said,

Oh, it's Alex Jones. They said, Hey, Alex, like your show, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And but I mean, to make a long story short, I said, you wouldn't be arresting him right now if he was illegal alien. They said, no, the judges just let him go. We're told not to. So again, an American citizen gets no leeway. Instead of just saying, you better pull that off. If I see this again, I'll give you a ticket. So instead of giving him a ticket for not having the insurance, they stole his Winnebago. So you see the dichotomy he's presenting. It's very similar to the dichotomy he was presenting earlier about the idea of these, these people in the tent city are nice and they're good. They're just trying to get money together to buy a home. And Arnold Schwarzenegger is going

to force them in with the other bad homeless people who are drug addicts and crazy and all this stuff. You see here, this guy got his Winnebago taken and Alex is certain that it's because he's a good citizen, not an illegal alien. He's trying to create these divisions in category. Yep. Now, here's where this is interesting. Here we find ourselves at the end of March 2009. And Alex is going whole hog on this narrative about Arnold Schwarzenegger forcing homeless people into a county fairground, which according to Alex is the first run of putting people into FEMA camps. It's easy to see how we'd make this connection, but it's really important to take a moment and look at the reality of the situation to see how he's lying about a couple of things. And he's

actually being tricked into supporting a couple others. This all started back at the beginning of March when Oprah sent reporter Lisa Ling to Sacramento to cover the homeless tent city that had popped up there. The reporting was incredibly flawed and based on a fundamentally incorrect premise, namely that the people living in the tent city were newly homeless. The reason for misreporting this is easy enough to see. It's a catchy hook for a story and Oprah called them the quote new face of homelessness, the noble working poor who'd lost it all in the recession. The problem is that this wasn't even close to true for the vast majority of the people living in that tent city. According to the Bay Area news group, quote, with foreclosure rates in the Sacramento

region among the highest in the nation, the rag tag camp has been depicted as a symbol of the economic meltdown, people who'd lost their homes and were suddenly pitching tents along a riverbed. The truth is somewhat less dramatic. Although a sliver of the roughly 200 tent city residents are recently middle class people who lost their homes, the overwhelming majority 80 to 90% by several estimates have been homeless for years, even decades. A report in Reuters was even more severe saying quote, a closer examination of the site, including interviews with camp residents and police officers who patrol the area turned up little if any evidence that true recession refugees were living among the chronically homeless there. 55 year old tent city resident

John Cranits commented on the influx of reporters covering the tent city after it was featured on Oprah saying quote, they don't want to talk to me. They're searching for people who just lost their homes. It's kind of tough to lose a lose a home when you've never owned one. Sorry, most of the people here have been homeless for a long time. Oprah's report included a bogus statistic that 1200 people were living in tent cities, when in reality, that was the number of homeless total in Sacramento. And the number at the tent city was between one and 200. So yeah, I was going to say there's no way that there could be that many people in one tent city. It would it would eventually be its own city. So one in 200 people, Alex has had Rob do saying that it's over 300 tents. That would

be two to three tents per person. Yeah, that's nonsensical. They're over inflating this. Joan Burke, the advocacy director for loaves and fishes commented on the situation quote, the media are trying to capture a very complex situation in a sound bite. We've had homelessness in this country for decades. Each person has their own circumstances. You have to tease that out if you're going to address the problem. Why do why do we care so much for people who suffer for a short time versus those who suffer for a long time? What's that about? The media saw an easy human interest story here. And even if their intention was to help address the issue of homelessness, all they did is create a fictional narrative that was exploited by a myriad different forces

to push their own agendas. People who wanted to attack Obama could use the story to create the image of modern Hoovervilles. People who wanted to attack Bush could say that this horror was all his fault. Right. People like Alex could use it to argue that quote, good, hardworking people were being forced into camps. None of this reflected reality. Schwarzenegger wasn't even behind the plan. He just approved of it because the governor, because he was the governor of California. It was mayor Kevin Johnson, who was the one who was making the plans, including setting up a homelessness task force and having meetings of it, which included input input from people like John Cranett. Right. The plan was not to shut down the tent city and move them into a fairground

FEMA camp. There was also a $880,000 package that was approved to add beds to existing homeless shelters and create additional shelters, plus offering retail apartments for approximately 40 additional people who are suffering with homelessness. Right. Right. So what we have here is a situation where unfortunately, the interesting element here is that the origin of this propaganda narrative isn't Alex. It's Oprah. Alex is certainly putting his own dishonest spin on it. But the underlying narrative that he's putting forth that this tent city is full of recession refugees comes directly from Oprah. Now, the bigger piece of this puzzle is one that we need to address is that part and parcel of how the media was representing the story is that these were white

homeless people. Of all the slideshows of pictures I can find, the images on all the articles about this tent city, everything, all of the people featured are white. See, it's even happening to us. There's literally no way I would believe that this isn't subconsciously or consciously what Alex is responding to and why he's covering the story the way he does. Absolutely. That dichotomy that he's creating about these people and other bad people, this guy with the Winnebago and what it would have been if he was an illegal immigrant. Yeah. All of it is because subconsciously, I believe it's consciously on his part. Yeah. But what he's trying to do is subconsciously, it reinforced that suggestion to his audience that these are the whites and now they're being attacked.

It's all white identity shit that's playing out through this tent city narrative. When the bigger picture of it is something, yeah, absolutely, we should be talking about, but Kevin Johnson, the mayor, and Schwarzenegger aren't trying to force them into a camp. They were making good progress. The lady who runs Loaves and Fishes even said that. This is very positive, but unfortunately, no one's going to be paying attention to this six months from now, so hopefully we can get is like putting a bandaid on a bigger wound metaphor. Like, hopefully this progress will continue to greater progress. Right. So I don't know. I hate Alex. It reinforces the argument that we've made about the difference between Obama's tyranny and Trump's

tyranny being in, look, Obama is going to do to us what we've done to them. That's his white narrative with all of these tent cities. See, look, Obama is actually doing this to whites and he knows with Trump it's just going to be like, eh, we'll bring the whites out of there, throw more black people in there. I think the way around that because it's like that implies agency on Obama's part and Alex might not want to even go that far just because, you know, it's easier to debunk. It would be more, I think his rhetoric would be more along the lines of Obama is allowing this to happen to whites. The things that you do, the things that he does allows this to happen to whites. Right. Whereas with Trump, he has pretty good confidence that he's going to protect

the white people over all others. Right. You know, I think you can, I think you can trace a very clear line there. And the argument, the only argument that really is meaningful here is how much of this is Alex intentionally guiding his programming towards that. Yeah. For the sake of riling up and fostering white identity beliefs. Right. And how much of it is just what he believes and that's how he sees the news, not even realizing it. You know, like I, I, that's the only thing that's important because one is a white nationalist demagogue, like white supremacist demagogue. Yeah. And the other is someone who is a white supremacist that is poorly interpreting the news. You know, I don't, I don't think it matters in the end. Right. I just don't think that

with, with that kind of, I mean, with the way that we're now understanding his, his upbringing, the, the books that he is read in quotes skimmed. Yeah. He skimmed fucking watchmen. He skimmed. I know that much, but there's, there's no way to, to, there's no way for me to accept anymore that his white supremacy is not at least somewhat conscious, somewhat conscious. Yeah. It's hard. There's no, there's no way for me to say that it's, it's, I, I can't prove that it's all conscious and purposeful, but I will never believe that there is not a consciousness that he is preferring once. Yeah. It's, it's, it's nuts, man. Like I even as exposed as I am to him and how deep in the waters I am, I go back and forth on it. Like it's day to day. Like some days it feels

like you can't possibly not know what you're doing. Yeah. And then it's like, it's not like Coach Dave. Right. With Coach Dave, it was a situation where it's like, you are a huge racist. Yep. You don't realize the labels that you're talking about. You're so stupid. You don't, you don't, yeah, it's like you're stupid. You are also racist. Alex isn't the same thing. He is both stupid and racist, but it's a higher, it's a higher order of it. There's a higher, like a category that he's in. He's playing a game, but it's just, it's unclear what the game is. I definitely know that whatever game he's playing, it benefits whites more than anybody else. And that, yeah, it's just, is it intentional? We don't know. Anyway, this whole tent city story is really

fascinating to me. And I'm really glad to have gotten to dig into it a little bit because the element of it, like being like what he's responding to and furthering is the misreporting that Oprah did, which is crazy because he fucking hates Oprah. Right. So he doesn't even realize that he is taking a seed that Oprah planted and helped it germinate it. So that's, that's fascinating to me. I didn't realize that Oprah was a right wing propagandist, but now I'm going to be, anytime I read O Magazine, I'm going to start looking for more clues. But that's the thing is I would believe that her intentions and Lisa Ling's intentions were, no, of course, we're good, but lazy. Of course. And maybe it's like, well, fudge a little bit

here would be not as thorough as we should be because it makes a better story. And at the end of the day, what's the outcome of that story? Hopefully more people caring about the homeless. Right. So like I could see that conceivably being their rationale or whatever. I guess. And I'm positive that after the fact that they probably had a retraction or something like that, you know, or at least a, hey, sorry, we, we screwed this one up. Or it was like they realized that their daytime demographic was super white women. So who knows? Yeah, it's hard to say. So we have just two more clips here. And so what's going on is Alex has still got to be in his bonnet about the idea of Obama going to meet with the queen. Now look,

well, I don't know. I really don't know. What are people doing? I think it's because it's very easy and he's lazy. Yeah. But it's also because he has two British guys at his disposal and they're related. Steve Watson, Paul Joseph Watson. Wait, Steve Watson is related to, but who's their brothers? They're brothers. You didn't know that? No, Watson brothers. Why? Who is Steve Watson? He's a guy who also writes for infowars and is not ready for prime time. I swear to God, I don't know if I remember that name. I'm sure we have, but I do not remember. He actually started coming on air on Alex's show before Paul Joseph Watson,

but he is not as good as Paul. Paul is much more snarky and has it is Paul older or younger than Steve. I don't know that. I don't know. I need to know the familial dynamics before I'm willing to accept Steve as even a real person. I don't know that to be the case. I remember Steve Watson because I insisted that I speculated that Paul Joseph Watson actually was Steve in a mustache. Now I get it. Yeah. And they're trying to pull double pages. Yeah. Yeah. Paul Joseph Watson has tricked Alex into thinking that he has two people. I don't know. I believe that Steve exists if only because I think if I recall correctly, someone sent me a picture of Paul and Steve together. It looks like an unused Oasis album cover.

But anyway, the two of them both come on the show and Steve says a bunch of dumb shit about the Queen and also G 20 is coming up in the UK. Got to get it. And so Steve is on first and he says most of the stuff who's on first. So that made me feel so good. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's the little thing. It's terrible, but it made me feel good, Dan. Thank you for indulging. Steve appears first. Who appears first? He comes in and they do their narratives. Obama is going to bow before the Queen G 20 is going to be a mess. And then Paul Joseph Watson, when he comes on, he doesn't really have anything to say because Steve said all of it. It's not really all that interesting. But wow, Alex has Steve on the line. He reads an article

from prisonplanet.com about Obama going to meet the Queen and he does it in an insulting British accent while the British guy is on the phone. Oh God. Yeah, here's the article. Barack Obama's team preparing adequate and gifts for President's meeting with the Queen. Top advisors to Obama are rehearsing the adequate and debating what gifts President will give to Queen Elizabeth when he meets the British monarch in London. The gifts have been selected with extra care. Protocol lessons on royal etiquette are being delivered and a week's wardrobe of casual and formal attire. I know that this isn't a British accent, but Alex thinks it is. No, no, no, no. It's an article on his own website, right? You bet. Written by? Probably Paul. Probably Paul.

Probably. So maybe Steve, though. So he's reading the article in a very condescending British accent. It's rude to most likely the person who wrote that article. It's rude and the dynamics are weird. That is weird. There is no doubt about it. And you fucked up. I love that you were sitting there trying to, you know, correct his pronunciation of etiquette. Well, you didn't realize or fail to recognize in the moment is the pronunciation of that word is Alex's way into the impression. Adequate. Oh, that's right. It was how he launched into the word. You could hear him. I miss it. I miss it. And it's sort of totally different. That's just dip of the toe into the impressions. Yeah. So to side for the first lady who is an international style icon,

President Obama and his wife Michelle had the London on Tuesday to stop their first overseas tour in office, accompanied by an entourage of several hundred aides, advisers, secret service agents and bodyguards, and an imported cavalcade of armored vehicles and helicopters. A visit to Buckingham Palace on Wednesday afternoon is the formal sharepiece of a packed work schedule. Oh, I know why he's reading it in a British accent. Because it's fucking boring. An EU US Prague. There isn't anything even about this. This is actually news. I mean, that's a great point. He's just actually reading what is real news. Nothing in it is scandalous at all. Yeah, I think there is a chance that that is why you put on

the voice in order to create the appearance of something where there is nothing. Really, all he's saying is like, Obama is preparing to go to England. Obama is doing due diligence. He's going to go to England. Yeah. And then he's going to meet with the queen. Yeah. That's it. Scandal. Mountain straight. Sounds glorious, isn't it? Actually, we all have fun doing voices. Hey, Steve, you want to do your Texas voice? You do that pretty good. Get off my land, boys. My land. Go ahead and do one for us. I told you that now. Yes, you can do it. Do it now. You have to wear the cowboy hat to do it. As soon as like an Elmer fun car to put

the hats on. Imagine the cowboy hats now on your head. Take us out. You're on the spot. The curtain parts, the spotlights on Steve Watson. Get off my land, boys. You've got to have some fun. You do. You do got to have some fun. Again, appropriate that he was playing wipeout. That is the most insulting thing I think. That's the most insulting, childish 30 seconds. I think we've heard on this show. It's pretty rough, but you also kind of get the sense that like they don't like him. Steve Watson does not like Alex. No, that that response. I can't do that right now. No. Yeah. It's pretty great. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Imagine the hat on your head. Do it. Do it. You can have the hat on. Do it.

So Steve comes in, they do their little piece of business, and then Paul Joseph Watson comes in. And like I'm saying, he just basically says the exact same things. More or less, his argument is that there's going to be protests at G 20, but the protests are actually the globalists secretly controlling these black block groups and these anarchists and these people protesting in order to invalidate real criticisms of the globalists and stuff like that. That's tortured logic. It is. But the only clip that I have is Paul Joseph Watson using our favorite catchphrase. And it's coming from the very top. That's saying it's going to be a summer of rage. The summer of rage. Come on, baby. So I'm now going to cut out every time someone says summer

of rage. And by that, I mean by next week, I will have forgotten that I am going to do that. But I mean too. So it's a summer of rage coming. Alex has a great British impression that is not at all British. He has white nationalist perspectives on the tent city or at least white supremacists, certainly. Yep. Marty's got multiple limericks and Marty. Oh, Marty. And Alex wants to exploit homeless people for his documentary, which is cool, which is great. Dan, I actually just called Marty recently. He might be dead. Well, he sounds real old. Also, I am a medium. So were he to be dead? I did contact him and he wanted to share a limerick with you. Would you like to read it? Or would you like me to read?

I think you should read it. You think I should read it? This isn't an improv scene. You're not going to put me into that. Alex, Alex thought he was free and clear. So excited. He cracked a beer. Shachter came back with a limerick attack and Alex for once felt true fear. That's better than anything that Marty is done. It's a lot better than our previous attempt at a limerick. I think so. Yeah. I don't like limericks as an art form. I think it's a... Why did you call it an art form? It's a poem. It's a type of poem. It's an art. Yeah, absolutely. Anyway, that brings us to the end of our 2009 adventure here. I think there's been some interesting stuff, interesting developments. I don't know what they signal and I'm very interested to see

what comes of the proceeding. Like, I'm excited to be in April. Oh, also, I looked into it. This film that he keeps talking about, it has to be Fall of the Republic. That's one of his documentaries that he made. It is a torturous two and a half hour plus runtime. Two and a half hours plus. He's saying that he's going to put it out on the 4th of July. He doesn't. Of course not. It doesn't come out until later in the year. Well, because he's terrible at editing, apparently. But I think I now have to watch that documentary. Now you don't. I want to see if the tent city's in there. I want to see if they got this guy as Winnebago. You could skim it. Yeah, I could skim it. Oh, I do want to see if he got this guy. Maybe you should just Google is there a Winnebago in

this documentary. I can't imagine that having results. I bet there's results. There's a whole reddit forum on it. We'll see. I may watch that documentary. I might get really drunk and watch it. That's the best way to do it. That might make it tolerable. Best way to do it. We will see. But until we come back with our next episode, we have a website for you all to check out. We are on Twitter. It's knowledge underscore fight. Indeed. We are on the Facebook. That's correct. We also have a group on there called go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. So much fun over there. We're at the places you could just find. We're podcast. We're on some other places. We're on places where podcasts are, but not Stitcher. Anyway, you know what, Marty Schachter, you might have bored

someone to death with a limerick. I bet he's choked him and to death with 150 bars of soap. This guy was a user. They fell on him. All right, fine. He's never killed anybody. Wait, maybe he has. Are you Googling whether or not Shachter has killed somebody? I have Googled it. He has not killed anybody. So Marty Schachter never killed anybody. But one guy who technically probably has a little gentleman by the name of Alex Jones. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.