Knowledge Fight - #246: April 5-6, 2009

Episode Date: December 31, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan close out the year with an episode covering the day Alex Jones attempted to lay out all of his rock-solid evidence about how his stories about FEMA camps are totally true. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the result is impressively disappointing.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are, Dan. Yep. Dan! Hi, Jordan.

What was the last time you were really, really sick? Like, we're talking, have you ever been hospitalized for sickness? No, not for sickness. Not for sickness. Broken arm, maybe. Yeah. Like, what kind of infections are we dealing with?

I've had, like, mono and strep throat, and that's, like, knocked me out a bit. I don't know. I don't really get sick all that often. And strep throat? I've never had strep throat or mono. Is that, like, supposed to be really bad? It can be.

It can be pretty bad. I mean, you just get really bad fevers, and you just have to write it out. You know, get antibiotics and stuff like that and whatever. I don't know. I've not really, I don't get sick all that often. And when I do, it's usually just, like, on par with, like, a hangover.

Really? Yeah. Like, hangovers are the things that have been, like, the worst in my life. Right, right, right, right. I don't know. It is weird. I guess I got chicken pox when I was really young.

I remember that being kind of bad. Yeah, I broke my arm, went to a hospital. It's about it, really. I'm going to be honest with you. I have never been prescribed antibiotics of any kind in my entire life. Isn't that crazy? That is kind of weird now, isn't it?

It is very weird. Yeah. Never, never happened. Well, not weird in a bad way. No, no, no, it's great. But I've never been, like, I've never had, like, a disease. I guess I've stayed overnight in hospitals for, like, sleep studies and stuff like that.

Like, I had a really bad insomnia thing going for a bit in my life. Yeah, other than that, I remember. Good stuff. Didn't lead to a great story. Nope. Sorry. Eh.

But you know, it is great. Nice. Thanks. I'd like to say some great things about some of our new donors. I really appreciate it also very much. And in honor of that, I'd like to say thank you so much. To Jonathan, you are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you, Jonathan. Thank you very much, Jonathan. Also, I'd like to say thank you to Atropos Twitch. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Atropos.

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What's that? How grateful I am to Kevin. Oh, yeah. Now you're getting in my game. That's what I'm doing. Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who's donated on a little bit of an elevated level. And we appreciate that.

Oh, so very much. So, Emmy, you are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home, Kevin, and tell it you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomayor sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action.

He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much, Emmy. Thank you so much, Emmy. You know, Emmy. Emmy over pronounced is E-M-M-E. So it might actually be M.

It could be M. And if it is, I apologize. First of all, for mispronouncing it. And then over pronouncing it, pronouncing the mispronunciation. Sorry. Well, I just appreciate a good palindrome. Emmy. Yeah.

Abel was I. Air, I saw Elba. Palindrome. Don't look at me like that. A man playing the canal. I only talk about one Elba. And that is Idris. Race car.

These are all palindromes, man. What else you got? I think Abel was I. Air, I saw Elba. That was going to be, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's going to be your one. One zero zero one. That's a good palindrome.

That's a good palindrome. If you'd like to support the show and what we do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that button that says support the show. We would appreciate it. Yes. Jordan, we got a fun episode to get into today. And I think you're very excited.

You were fitting that this will be the last episode of the year on knowledge fight, which brings us to basically our second anniversary. Like the beginning of January will be two years officially doing this. And so before we get into the episode, I wanted to take a moment and I've been thinking about it. What my favorite thing on the show was like, I'd considered like maybe for our New Year's Eve episode, which you're doing right now, maybe we do a clip show.

Maybe. Oh, what are we? What are we the cheers? Well, we're not doing a clip show. But that's what I started to think about. It was like, first of all, is that gauche? Second of all, what is that? Like, what would we are a clip show?

Right. Do we do the top 10 clips of Alex Jones? But then we've already talked about those clips. It feels false. And then like, OK, what about the top 10 moments on our show? Like you and me sitting here listening to ourselves. No, no, no. Fuck that.

No, that's all. But I started to reflect on it. I was taking a bath the other day and I was laying there. I was thinking about like, what was what sticks out in my head as the best thing that we've uncovered on this show in 2018? And I think, I mean, there's crimes. Certainly on our last episode, we had a real fucked up announcement. The tragic story of NONK.

Sure. But I think that might have also been in 2017. Yes, it was. We learned that Alex Jones probably killed a guy, which is. Oh, definitely. Big stuff for us. Definitely, probably technically killed a guy. I wanted to actually have you come in with your favorite thing.

And I have my favorite thing, but I forgot to tell you. And so I'm just going to give mine. And if you if something comes up in your head, certainly, by all means. I will say that the top thing for me is Alex Jones's interview with Bill Ayers. That I have. Yeah, I rewatched that interview. And nothing can top that. Yeah, that was great. At one point I forgot about this.

Bill Ayers asks him where he found some like a docket, like a declassified information and Alex is like history channel. That's right. Oh, shit. It's the most absurd thing ever. And I think that gets my title for best thing in 2018 on our show. You know, this is probably recency bias because of my complete lack of any kind of memory, but man, it's tough to beat a good bite of the apple in a fat filled life's very fragile.

Riber, Riber, Riber. Riber, Riber. That plus fuzzy named Amos like those. Yeah. Those are strong. No, they weren't. They were very close together. Oh, they were back to back episodes.

All right. But yeah, those are real strong. But the reason that I'm going to say I respect your choice, but I'm staying with mine is that I wasn't trying to convince you. I understand that there will be nothing that is named the best. We just each have our best. Right. Riber.

I love your choice for best. The reason my choice is better. I'm just kidding. Oh, Facebook group. Oh, it's that in that interview. Alex really demonstrates how he can't hang in an interview with someone who he's been lying about for years for sure. He has the guy there.

It's his chance to pin him down and he can't do it because all of the information that he's been saying about this guy for years is all lies. Yeah. So it just fully demonstrates that Alex is full of shit and he can't handle it. Like he flounders and it's it's super embarrassing. And I think that this actually unintentionally has some relevance to some of the stuff we're going to be going over today because it's another instance of Alex feet to the fire, not interviewing Noam Chomsky.

No, but it's another instance of him just not being able to hang. It's like Alex Jones, you have put yourself in the position of the guy. You are Jordan, you know, not you Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan. You're the guy who they pass the ball to when there's three seconds left and you're down to right. All right. You know, it's he passed the ball to Steve Kerr, though. So right there is that, but that's still a good choice.

Still a good choice. Steve Kerr is the Bill Ayers of the Bulls, I believe that everybody calls him that. Cuckoach. Yeah, but Alex presents himself that way, but then over and over again, we see these examples of it's like the buzzer is coming down. The game is about to end. You're interviewing Bill Ayers. The guy you said is a domestic terrorist, right?

And you can prove it and you just get embarrassed by it. And I think today we see another instance of the clock is winding down. Alex, feet to the fire, back to the wall, shits the bed. I'm very excited about that. Okay. Today we would be going over April 5th and 6th, 2009. Okay. And it's just this, there's, there's a lot of going on, but we will start with

an out of context drop from today's episode. I would ask listeners to check out every claim we're going to make for yourself because the biggest problem we do have going for us. Is that most of the stuff I see on the internet is speculation or rumors. And on my site. I love that. What I would like you guys to do, who are listening to the show is my job. I would like you to investigate.

I want you to call these sources. I want you to back them up. I want you to find secondary sources and I want you to get quotes on the record. I, however, am going to report on speculation on the internet. I mean, he's trying to present it as like, I have done all this research. So you guys don't take my word for it. Like I'm some sort of LeVar Burton out here. But is that, is that right?

Is that what he said? That is what he said. Yeah. On reading rainbow. Oh, shit. I just got so scared. No, I don't know. I panicked as well.

I was like, wait, is that reading rainbow? That's, yeah, that's what he said on reading rainbow. The forge is catchphrase. This is a real chumbawamba all over again. Yeah, we're in trouble here. So yeah, but he's trying to present the idea of like, I've done the research, but everything else on the internet, there's so much stuff out there that's rank speculation and all this nonsense.

So don't just believe me because I'm saying it. Right. I'll say, unfortunately, Alex, I have done just that and that is what this podcast is and you don't come out looking good. And in this episode, you come out looking particularly bad. Now we're all excited. Yeah. So here's the first clip.

This is from April 5th and that's a Sunday show. And what has happened in the world is there's been some bad stuff that just happened. There have been some murders and Alex has to cover these murders because they kind of involve him. There had been a lot of horrible mass shootings, people killing their whole families, some spoiled rotten cowardly lunatic because he couldn't learn to speak English fast enough, went into the place where people were supposedly teaching him English and killed 13 people, supposedly teaching him, including himself.

And then there was another one yesterday in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where this Richard Andrew Pulaski, 20 something year old, 22 year old man, waited for three police to come to his mommy's house where he lived. It's always these guys that live with mommy. I mean, I don't know what the deal is with them. But the point is, is that he shot two of the cops as his mother waived him into the house to throw him out. And then he waited for more to come and shot three more killing another one of them.

And the mainstream media has certainly enjoyed tying me into this. Let me tell you, raw story, the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and others, because his friends and family say that he learned, he was also in the Marines, by the way. He learned of a plan to put troops on the streets and for gun confiscation. Oh, no. And I'm attacked by the newspaper saying that doesn't exist. When all I did was read the army times. And by the way, in separate news, he goes off in another, uh, yeah, I'm surprised

he goes off on another day on another tangent. Kind of said his piece on that one, which is, uh, no, no, no, no, no. Not me moving on. So the shooting. Alex is talking about here revolves around Richard Poplowski, a 22 year old guy who killed three cops before he was taken alive. Coincidence, huh? Wait, I assume the color of his skin had nothing to do with that.

I see no reason to believe was he, was he a white person? Yes. In the aftermath of the shooting, a lot of blogs and media outlets started to have a discussion about what motivated Richard. Sure, he was mad at his mom for telling him that he had to get rid of his dog because he, the dog had been peeing on the carpet and what have you. They're always mad at women. Yep.

He started to get domestically violent. They always have domestic police about this. The police come, he starts killing cops. That is what the event was that precipitated the shooting, but his motivations went much deeper. Richard's friend, Edward Perkovic, uh, said that he was obsessed with the idea that Obama was coming to take everyone's guns. A large theme of a documentary released by Alex Jones a month before the shooting.

Coincidence, no doubt. Richard was a frequent poster on both Alex's site and Stormfront, where he once posted, quote, the federal government, mainstream media and banking system in these United States are strongly under the influence of, if not completely controlled by, Zionist interests, an economic collapse of the financial system is inevitable, bringing with it some degree of civil unrest, if not outright balkanization of the continental United States, civil revolutionary racial war.

This collapse is largely engineered by the elite Jewish powers that be in order to make up for a power and asset grab summer of rage. Take the words, Jew and Zionist out of there. You got Alex to a fucking tee global. You all know Alex is saying that under his fucking breath. Yep. Um, whether or not that's actually the argument that Alex believes is irrelevant. Sure.

It's the tropes that he's using are entirely based. He's a pes dispenser. Yes. He clearly believed all the things that Alex put into the world, but Alex doesn't want to talk too much about this case. Really. He just wants to deflect attention and be like, that's not me. That's not me because Richard was motivated by everything that Alex put

into the world, but there's a little wrinkle. Five days before he committed his murders, Richard also posted this on the info wars forums, quote, for being such players in the end game, too many info warriors are surprisingly unfamiliar with the Zionists. So he was someone who clearly believed everything Alex was saying, but felt he wasn't hard enough on the Jews. This is a conversation Alex doesn't want to have because it very clearly illustrates how at least on some level, his site serves as a conduit towards

people, uh, getting the message of Nazis. Yeah. So you have this murder and it's very unfortunate. Uh, it's, you know, there's no reason to head to go that way. Man, it sure seems like. I, I, like the first time he starts talking about these shootings, I was like, God, that's awful. I should remember that.

And I don't because which shooting is it? And it's crazy because three cops were murdered and you don't remember. You don't remember it. Now granted, it was 10 years ago. So it's a little bit like, but there's still, there's still, but that should be a big moment in a country that should be a big moment for, uh, the 300 million people in our country. And what you're expressing is something that I feel so much when I go back and

listen to these 2009 episodes, because we don't even talk about it all the times necessarily that like, something that should be a national tragedy happens. Yeah, yeah, everybody should know about that, but it's like, Oh, uh, so was that one of the ones in the schools or was that one of the ones outside of the schools? Yeah, because there's been hundreds of both. It goes to show like that, that sort of feeling that everyone likes to blame on Trump, like this idea of like desensitization of all of these horrible

things, right? Normalization of, you can't remember that last week X happened. Yeah, it's something that has been pervasive in our society for longer than Trump. Oh hell yeah. That, that sort of thing is, is sort of a human, maybe even self-defense mechanism to some extent. What else is a us joking about if you have to feel the pain of all of these

things, uh, you can't, you can't function. It's unimaginable. Yeah. So Alex wants to talk a little bit more about this and, uh, I think he's going to blame Obama. That sounds right. Wrong story. And the Pittsburgh Post-Cosette have decided to attack me and conge, uh, in

association with the shooting of, uh, the fatal shooting of three police officers. It's just ridiculous. They also attacked Glenn Beck because we are delusional and say that Obama wants to confiscate guns and then this half baked crazy kills some cops. So there you go. It's my fault. No, it's Barack Obama's fault. That sounds right.

We'll get back to that in a second. I think that this also illustrates how Alex is incapable or on, I think it's more unwilling of dealing with like horrible things that people who happen to be white do because he thinks he's being hard on him by saying like he lives with his mommy, this guy's pathetic. He's crazy. He's a whack job. That sort of thing.

But that, that in essence is, is minimizing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, hey, hey, when, uh, when this, this illegal immigrant kills these people or when these three young Muslim girls walk into the pool supply store, they know what they're doing, you know, they're up to no good. You know that they're animals.

This white guy, he lived, oh, he was pathetic. He lived with his mom. Oh, you just want to be, he was in the Marines. They taught him how to kill. Obama made him scared. It is, it is probably Obama's faults for coming to get his guns. I assume that's what happened, right? I mean, that's a big angle that Alex is going to take, but it's all a load of

shit for introducing bills to effectively ban all semi-automatic handguns and rifles and to psychologically test all Americans to own guns and to have an attorney general who lobbied last year. So real quick, he's going to talk about Eric Holder, uh, having, uh, like he lobbied before the Supreme court. I'm just going to end this click. They use rambles about that. Yeah.

Yeah. He, he, uh, he didn't, Eric Holder didn't argue in front of the Supreme court, but in 2008 DC versus Heller, he did sign an amicus brief with a bunch of people, uh, who were making the argument that the second amendment doesn't necessarily protect, uh, an individual's right to own firearms outside of a well-regulated militia. Yeah. That is an argument that people make about the interpretation of the second

amendment. Right. A correct argument. He signed an amicus brief with a bunch of people. It wasn't like he went to the Supreme court and was like, I do say, Mr. Supreme court justice, take their guns. But that's the image Alex wants to present. Mr. Holder goes to SCOTUS.

Right. And that's not the case at all. Now, earlier right there, you heard Alex say that Obama is trying to push for people to have psychological testing for guns. And only because I think this is super fine with that too. This is a very important point. Here is Alex from his interview that he did with Patrick Bet David in 2018, saying what he thinks is a good gun control.

So let me flip that on you. Do you believe in background checks with guns? I believe in the second amendment. I think criminals are going to get guns regardless. But I do think with mental health, other issues, as long as this becomes recounting, and I think a background check is probably good. So a background check that does maybe, if you're on prescription right now, you're taking pro zags, whatever it is, some of the medication list that we

have, that is either for bipolar or whatever, you know, things that we just talked about, those folks can't get a gun. You're okay with that. I'm on lmictal. Here's the thing. 30% of women are on those drugs, about 15% of men. And that doesn't sound right. A lot of people don't act like maniacs when they're on it.

But I say this, right before you restrict my right, people that are on those drugs, when the insert says it can make you be a killer, they should be looked at. I think if somebody has been diagnosed as psychotic and is on those drugs, there should be a database and you shouldn't be able to have a firearm. By Alex's own, uh, definition of what Obama did, Alex Jones is a gun grabber. Yeah. Like he's saying that you can't have psychological testing for it in the

past when Obama was pushing for it in an interview, he says, if you are, if you're on psychiatric medication, there should be a list. If you've been diagnosed as this, there should be a list and you shouldn't be able to have a gun. 2009 Alex Jones would have been screaming about that. If the person saying it was black, not if 2009 Alex Jones had 2009 Trump in the office, then we're going to be fine with psychological background.

I just wanted to illustrate that because I think you need to cut through a lot of the bullshit, especially in this instance, because what Alex Jones is doing is perpetuating the exact kind of fear that made this guy end up shooting exactly, he's going on air and blaming Obama while perpetuating the same behavior that he clearly when pressed on it, when drunk at a hotel by someone who he perceives to have higher status than him says, Oh, all that stuff is actually really good. Of course, people who have mental issues that I'm scared of shouldn't have

guns, of course, so he's just, he's a monster. This is a monstrous behavior. His argument is when you boil it down, his argument is Obama is coming for your guns and that's what you get. You know, if you try and take people's guns, you're going to get dead cops. Well, there's that. And it's also, which suggests that he's, he thinks it's justified in a way. A little bit and even beyond that, he's, he's trying to present and

perpetuate the, I, I guess the idea that this guy who killed these cops wasn't delusional, you know, the idea that he was afraid of Obama taking his guns, that wasn't exactly that wasn't based on a propaganda narrative put out by the right wing and people like Alex Jones, that's based on reality. He saw through the bullshit. That's what made him scared. He is actually justifying these murders. He's absolutely justifying the murders.

He's saying that, of course, of course. He should be doing this. He's mad because Obama's coming for your gun. He's mad that everybody is like connecting him to it because of the optics problem of that. But at the same time, he's like, of course, he should be shooting those people. Yeah, more or less coming for your guns. Now in this next clip, he minimizes it for exactly the other reason that you

would expect stupid, which is his white nationalist tendencies. Now you notice every couple of days I read in some regional newspaper about an illegal alien killing a cop or cops. And it barely gets any news coverage. They want to play that down real quick. I need to stop here because I listen to all of his shows and he doesn't bring up illegal immigrants killing. I hate that I keep saying illegal immigrants just because he keeps saying it.

Right. Undocumented immigrants, right? Like people, people aren't illegal. No, it's not possible. That's where our principles are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like he's presenting the idea that he covers these stories frequently of undocumented immigrants killing cops and it just doesn't get media traction.

He doesn't. Like he's giving himself some sort of like a backstory of every other day. I talk about an immigrant killing the cop and no one cares. And that's not true. He's making himself sound even worse than he is in this case. Yeah, come on, he's fine because they don't want to get the police lobbies upset about the open borders. Sure, that's what reporters out to California where the tent cities are.

They come in and take people's children. They take their one of bagos of the insurances out, but they leave the illegal aliens alone because they know they're above the law and the judges are going to let them go point of order. Rob do in his final report about that said that he didn't see any undocumented immigrants. I mean, Mexicans at that camp. So, you know why Alex is just talking shit there.

You know why based on what Rob do said, because even Rob do knows that you got to leave those immigrants alone. Dan, they're above the law teacher leave those immigrants alone. So see citizens are way down the totem pole and cops are even below illegals when cops get killed by illegals, they play it down because they don't want to make a big propaganda coup out of it because they don't want to demonize the aliens. But oh, it's big national news that, you know, this guy's reading habits

and what he was reading. So he's real defensive about this because he does kind of on some level, whether it's conscious or not realizes that he's a propaganda outlet that is doing exactly what he insists everyone else is doing. And that this is one of the unfortunate consequences of that. This is an inevitable consequence. You can't avoid this that some people will respond to this kind of propaganda and, you know, whether it's by virtue of just some sort of

chemical imbalance or maybe some trauma they've experienced. They're not able to integrate information correctly or whatever and will end up hurting people because of the fears that you create. Now, in the same way that like you get a, you make a shoddy seat belt or something like that, you know, like 100,000 people will die, but six million won't or something like that. Right, right, right. You do that.

The, these companies do that math and whatever. Alex, I think does the same thing, which is like this rhetoric is super dangerous and a bunch of people are going to hurt other people. But the rest of them that don't are going to give me money. Yeah. And I'm going to have to just make peace with that. Yeah. I think that's what he has to do.

And I think that's what we're seeing expressed. He's, it's more like a company that is setting aside money for the legal funds for the people that they're killing as opposed to fixing the problem. They're doing that math of like, well, it costs us this much to settle a massive loss where we killed a thousand people as opposed to it costs us this much to actually not kill a thousand people. Right. And where it's cheaper to say, oh yeah, we killed you, but that's fine.

And as a corollary, the same thing is true of Alex. It's more profitable to run that risk. Exactly. And then deny whenever these instances happen, you'll be like, I had nothing to do with that. He's the exon mobile of shit propaganda. He might as well be. Yeah.

Or a pinto. Isn't that the one that blew up? I, the pinto blew up. Yeah. A lot of cars have blown up over the years. That is true. Um, so we have one more clip from the fifth, uh, because it's mostly a no man's life.

It is not a good show. He's defensive as shit for most of it. And honestly, this is one of the weird instances of like, you know, I'm watching these, I'm listening, watching these episodes and I'm taking notes. And this is one of the only times, if you go and look at my notebooks, it's like, there's an hour gap between really, it's not good, but then Alex starts taking calls and he gets probably the most depressing fucking call I've ever heard on this show.

Uh, let's talk to Mark in New York. Mark, welcome. Alex, how you doing? I just want to thank you. I picked up a short way. That's how I ran into you. And then I picked up, uh, the Obama deception and I cried most of the way through it, but when I saw your face, I saw two things.

Alex, I saw a man. You're a man's man. And then I saw a father and I could tell you all these Sean Hannity's and everybody else, I don't know what they think when they look in their mirror at night before they put their kids to bed, but at least Alex Jones can say he's not only a man, he's also a father. Oh God. Oh God.

That's so sad. I don't know how to emotionally connect with any of that. That makes me so sad. I have, uh, the first words that he said made me build up this massive emotional wall of life. Nope. Uh-uh. You cried during the Obama deception.

I don't care. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, get out of here. Get out of here. What were you crying about and why is your first thought that he's a father? No, no, no, no, no, no, dude. You got to call your dad and work some shit out. Or you got to like, deal with the fact that your ex-wife has your kids. Yeah.

There's something there that's really fucked up. That dude's backstory is not one I want to be involved in. And he talks more and Alex is like, Oh, that's so great. And I love the kids. I gotta hang this up. I gotta hang this up. No, he keeps the call going. And actually the guy ends up saying exactly the same thing over again.

Yeah. Because the call kind of gets to a point where it's not making much sense. And he sort of, what he does is he started out not making much sense. That's true. Yeah. But then he resets, he does like, you know, I saw your film and I just cried through it and I thought there's a man and a father. Like he says the same thing over again.

I'm like, this is, it's just indicative of trouble. It's your life, dude. I want a documentary about that, not Obama. No, fuck you. Alex, shift your second documentary that you're making. I think it'd be more fun to see if Mark is trying to take anybody's guns. That'd be great. Man, that idea of watch.

Okay. So we watched the Obama deception. Sure did. I watched it like four times. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, what would make you cry? I also consistently, all the way through it.

So that means multiple things because it's not a focused documentary by any stretch. No. So he's, he's crying on new stuff all the time. I can't imagine that being your response to it. No, I would, I could understand. If someone was like, I watched your documentary and through it, I was furious. Or frayed or yeah, yeah, I was driven to action. I decided to stand up or something like that.

I would, I would understand that, but crying through it is crazy. He just loves this country. So God damn much. I mean, it must be that watching it fall to black people. It must be something like that. Like that response must be close to it. Yeah. I don't know.

You, you responded weirdly when I told you that I cried through a lot of review. Andy Daly's review, like you thought that was a little, yeah, you seem to think that was a little bit weird. Um, I don't think I, I had, I mean, I guess in retrospect now, I disagree with my whatever awkward feelings that you experienced because it's a incredibly tragic show. Yeah. There was a tragedy to it and you connect so much with what could be of the

character of, uh, Forrest McNeill, right? You know, you see like the mistakes that are being made in real time. Right. I think that there's possibly like a, like a warped version of that, that you, you experience Alex as the narrator of that documentary, the guy who's trying his hardest in a tragic, uh, quixotic struggle against the globalist. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Maybe there's something like that that triggers a motion or like a tearful emotional or something. It's fucked up. You know, it's crazy. It does kind of seem like they're like, now that you bring it up, there is a little bit of a parallel between, uh, Andy Daly and review and Alex Jones's show. Like, I mean, the rigidity of their, their worldviews are certainly similar.

I think the psychopathy, the willingness to destroy all personal relationships and service of the show. The image of like, they're being a point where they could have been saved many times, like that, that sort of idea of like, if only you hadn't gotten a divorce for the show, maybe your life would have been completely different. Same with Alex. It's like, maybe if you hadn't joined Trump, maybe if you hadn't gotten involved with the oath keepers and whatever, there's so many, there are so

many like second chances to mitigate the damage. Like there's a never ending cycle of like, okay, yeah, you fucked that up. But if you took this chance, then you know what? Yeah, you, you're still divorced, but look at how much better everything is. Okay. No, you didn't do that. All right. So if you'd stopped with the Sandy Hook thing, you see, you could have changed

things, you could have gone in a different way, Steve, all the, yeah, it's kind of Alex is kind of like, um, a less emotionally interesting, dumber version of review. Yeah. 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:24,800 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:25,440 Okay. But as, as equal a psychopath.

Yeah. Yeah. It seems that way. Uh, I mean, Alex does dress up. I don't know, like, anyway, wonder how many pancakes he's eating. Hmm. So that's the end of the fifth. That's all we're going to cover there.

And we move on to the sixth and this, my friend is what I live for. This to me is exactly why we play the game. Okay. There are days when, you know, we, we find like, oh, this is where the Mayak report stuff comes right. 00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:53,860 Right. Right.

00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:55,540 That's very exciting for me. This is equally exciting because, and you should kind of know why, or you should have a sense of why, but I'll spell it out for you. You remember that fishing trip Alex had to cancel? Okay. Spoiler alert. He didn't cancel it.

He didn't cancel that trip. Of course. And I'm here to say maybe he should have. Oh, no. Because he ran out of time to cover a Glenn Beck's forthcoming debunking of FEMA camps. Of course. And so April 6th is a Monday.

That's the day that Glenn Beck is going to debunk the FEMA camps. He's run out of time to create a video. So he has to do it live on air. Oh, no. Is he going to have somebody on? Oh, no, this is all Alex, but this is what I'm talking about. The clock is running down. Right.

Alex has the ball. He's open. You know, it's just on you to get the ball in the hole. Yeah. You have been talking about FEMA camps, your entire fucking career. You've got all of this. As much as I know about all the documents about it all the time. All you have to do is coherently make your point and you have won the

basketball game. That is all you have to do. And I have no idea why I thought he might. Yeah, there's no chance of that. There is never a chance of that. Spoiler alert. This is a tragic embarrassment. Okay.

But it's even worse than I thought it was like, I thought it could be. I thought there was a chance he would just sort of like stumble and fall and like, or just he'd say vague stuff. Yeah. And most of it, honestly, most of his quote unquote debunking or debunking of the debunking debunking is him just rambling about nothing and saying stray things. Of course.

But I found a number of specific instances of things he makes and they're all pathetic. Oh, no, he shouldn't have done specifics. He has to do. His backs to the wall. Glenn Beck is about to put out this debunking. Yeah, but you could just be a dick to Glenn Beck and call it a day. Oh, I imagine I didn't see Glenn Beck's debunking, but when you have a

fucking lunatic who's debunking something that's lunatic, I'm sure he was fucking stupid about it too. It was pretty stupid. His debunking, we'll talk about that here a little bit further down the road, but going back debunking of it was the softest lamest thing I've ever seen in my life, but we'll start the episode and Alex is going to introduce what he is about to do today. I was going to do my big FEMA camp expose last Friday, but I had some

issues come up where I had to take off as a Burma sat in, so I wasn't here. And so I have to do the FEMA camp analysis today hours ahead of Glenn Beck schedule debunking. So he has to do it today. It's not like I'm going to do this. He almost is using language that indicates I don't want to do this. Yeah, I don't want to fucking do this, but I can't, but I also know that if I don't, then everyone is going to seed ground to Glenn Beck.

Like Glenn Beck is going to take some sort of a point on me and I can't let that happen. No, you've, that's why you debunk after you can't debunk pre debunking. I'm pretty sure actually Alex does have moles in a Glenn Beck show. Oh, you think so? He makes a couple of really specific predictions about what Glenn Beck is going to say. Right.

And I'm like, that is not that there's no way that that's not like based on foreknowledge and Glenn Beck's show isn't live. His TV show isn't live. It's probably already been taped by the time he's gone. It was probably taped over the weekend. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So there's no way that like there isn't a possibility that a mole at Fox News

has told him what Glenn Beck's debunking is because like he does make like an absurdly specific prediction about him using like Glenn Beck using a Amtrak station that had been shut down. That's absurdly specific. Yeah. It's, it is one of the like popular internet videos that went around talking about FEMA camps and stuff like that, but there are tons of them. So for him to specifically latch onto that one so strongly leads me to

believe that he had inside information, whatever. See, now I want to make sure of that. If I'm going to write this story, I want Mark in New York to be our internacing bowl between the two, uh, vicious camps of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck, that would be awesome. That would be awesome. That's why he's lost his kid. That's why he's sending over all of these things.

He's just like, uh, Glenn Beck's not a man or a father. No. So, well, actually he's at Sean Hannity. That's right. But that's, he couldn't say Glenn Beck because Glenn Beck is his boss. Yeah. Give up the whole thing. He'd give up the game.

So in that first clip, I think we saw, uh, or Mark, where are you, Mark? Get well, Mark. Happy New Year, Mark. If you're listening, happy New Year. Mark 2019 is your year. Mark's been dead for three years now. Oh, no. Oh, I know.

Um, so the language that Alex was using there, I think very clearly indicates a sense of, uh, I have to do this. And I think that carries through into this next clip where he starts immediately making excuses for why it's not going to be that great. So they're in there right now, trying to pull up 200 plus news articles. He's talking about his producers. Yeah. Video clips in the folders in the order I just gave them to him.

So they're in a race to get all this loaded on the computer, the articles, the documents, the Miami Herald from the eighties, the, you know, the list goes on and on video clips of FEMA camps, troops training, confiscate your guns. And so we're racing to get all of this loaded in. So he, he's had a couple of things that were kind of, uh, seemed like things like Miami Herald article from the eighties. Right.

Still not specific enough for me to act on. No, you're speaking so vaguely. All you need to do is go through the database of every article that the Miami Herald published in the eighties. Lord knows, Lord knows I want to do that. I, I, I do know that you do want to do that. That's, that's a scary thing about you. So the other thing that we see there in that clip, first of all, I, I have

to stress this because I am a hundred percent sure this is the case. He is like, look, they're going, they're, they're doing a lot in there. There's hundreds of things you have to look. Whatever we end up doing here. It's short notice short notice. I had to go fishing or whatever. And then the second thing is, I think you see immediately a shifting of the goalposts because he starts talking about troops on the street and stuff like

that confiscating guns and stuff like that, that it, that's not the FEMA camp stuff. I know that Alex likes to pretend that all of this is connected, but that's not the conversation that Glenn Beck is going to have. It has nothing to do with the debunking. This is a moving of the goalposts in order for him to artificially run up his score because he's going to make it look like I'm making points about gun grabbing, making points about troops doing exercises, all that stuff. It's even more overwhelming.

My stuff about his FEMA camp stuff. So it's, it's, it's ludicrous. The important thing to remember is that the day before this, he was rightly pilloried for causing a man to murder people or helping for the, for the troops on the streets coming to confiscate your guns narrative. No. And I think that's actually something super important to keep in mind that that was the day before.

There, there's a method to my madness. There's, there's a reason I kept that in. Cause what he ends up doing on this show is telling people to kill cops. You bet. Or, of course, or at very least like it is what inspired this guy to be in this position where he ends up killing these police officers. Be afraid if the cops are coming to your house, they're coming to steal your guns, doesn't matter why they were called.

And if they do come to steal your guns, well, you have to exercise your second amendment right, which I believe includes the words, you can also kill cops if they come for the well-regulated militia or whatever it is. So he gets distracted. Alex gets distracted. He's not going to get to his, uh, his FEMA camp stuff right away. He's going to complain about Robert Reich. Labor secretary Robert Reich, he's the guy that said we have to make sure none

of the stimulus money goes to white men. That's an actual quote. What a socialist globalist minion brought up by the big central banks. What a demonic twerp. He didn't say that even if he did say that, that still does not relate to socialism, like any, any, like you can't just call him a socialist. And then that doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense.

It's a problem. Alex isn't very smart. Uh, I'm a socialist, but I'm not going to be like, let's use race targeting. That's not socialist. That's a, that's a, what's it called? I don't know. American. There you go.

Yeah. Uh, Robert Reich had a comment where he was talking about how with this stimulus money that's going out, we don't want it to all go to white construction workers. Yeah. That was it. He was talking about how there needs to be, you know, equal distribution of it. And you want to see it go into all sorts of communities, not just white

construction. Oh, oh, he didn't come out and say, this money is all reparations, baby. Kill whitey. No, he didn't say that. He didn't, uh, he didn't black sheep it. None for you. Whitey. No, it's, it's absurd.

And Alex is like, that's a quote. That can't be a quote. He said, quote, literally no one said that. He said, quote, no one. Look, I, I would love to say it, but I still wouldn't say it. No, especially not if I'm in the government. Hell no. The only reason anybody would say it is to misquote somebody in order to make

it seem like whites are much more oppressed than they are, which is the second aspect of what he's doing. Or if they were going for some sort of ghoulish overkill, like advocating for white genocide, something along those lines, that's when that might be said in a very ironic manner. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. So anyways, just so you know, our donations for next year all go to non-white

people, right? Yeah, you don't, you don't get it. You don't get any of it too bad. You're a white man. Oh, shit. So in this next clip, Alex, like we, you already sussed out this idea that he's doing the exact same thing that leads or has led to this guy in Pittsburgh, killing three cops.

He doubles down on it. Barack Obama is on record as a state senator and in the U.S. Senate voting for a total assault weapons ban. Anything semi-automatic. He lobbied and argued for a complete gun ban when he was a state senator Illinois, his attorney general last year filed on behalf of the Justice Department when he was just a former deputy attorney general. He wasn't the briefing.

You can read on the government's behalf at the Supreme court on the DC gun ban saying no citizen should be allowed to even own a single shot shotgun or handgun, no firearms period, only police and military. You can go read that right now. It's in the Supreme court briefing. It's on the Supreme court website. Um, Dan, did you read it? Um, I don't read all of it, but I read enough to know like what the,

the reality was. Yeah. Um, this just goes back to the amicus brief that he signed, uh, signed, uh, in terms of DC versus Heller. The issue is that he was a deputy. Eric Holder was a deputy attorney general until 2001, but he wasn't, uh, at the time that DC versus Heller was going on. Oh yeah.

Like the period of time that he was. So Alex can't even get that shit fucking right? No, no. At the time that, uh, DC versus Heller was going on, he was working in private practice, um, and he signed this amicus brief and joined in on it. Um, because the issue was that he was from DC, uh, and he, uh, there was a handgun ban in DC that he wanted to be upholded. You wanted it to be upheld.

Yeah. Cause it's a good idea. Yeah. Absolutely. And, and so, uh, he joined in on that. He wasn't a deputy attorney general at the time at all. Alex is mixing all this timeline up in order to get the perception of X, Y, or Z.

They're all coming to take your guns. They're not very, very. It's all, it's all hot bullshit, but the reason that he's doing all of this stuff is still about that shooting. He's still very defensive about it as he makes clear in this next clip. Okay. So two people have been chosen out of this tragedy to be demonized. Two people, mainly myself and Glenn Beck by media matters.

Run by Mr. Brock, a former neocon by, uh, raw story and by, of course, the Pittsburgh post cassette. That's a huge clip in my mind. Yeah. I might not seem that way to most people, but in the same way that, uh, rage filled Achilles is an epithet that runs through the, uh, the Iliad every time or almost every time Achilles is brought up.

The epithet rage filled Achilles is in, uh, it's, it's there. It's how it's a compound noun. He's, he's a, he's an angry dude, but all of them, I read it, but most of the characters in the Iliad have epithets along with them. They, it's a way of characterizing their characters. Alex Jones uses that a lot in modern times. Whenever he talks about media matters, he says, Soros run media matters. Soros funded media matters.

And now he says the Brock run run by David Rock, who used to be a neocon, which he was, uh, and also, uh, knows Larry Nichols from those days. You want to ask Nichols about that shit? I kind of do. Yeah. Um, so the issue for me is that he'd bring up media matters without bringing up Soros, which is huge. The idea that he had been like starting to bring up Soros a little bit, uh, but

not, still not in a demon, uh, big bad guy kind of way. It makes me think that we might have read a little bit more into that than there was. Yeah. This indicates to me that he has no, um, targeting of Soros yet at this point. Otherwise he would have thrown, you have to throw in Soros run media matters. Cause I assume he owned media matters at this time. He didn't own anything.

He funded things. I mean, yeah, okay. All right. He's supported the Soros funded media, not all of the fun. No, no, I know. I get that. I, I'm doing this argument half for fun. You're, you're, you're the devil.

Right. So that's, that's super interesting to me. And no one's blaming Alex for the shooting, just the worldview that he perpetuates. Oh, no, come on. Um, so we've already heard him blame the, uh, like, uh, Obama and Eric Holder for the shooting, but in this next clip, he does something that I think is even like, it should be beyond him.

And that is he blames the police for it. Oh, I thought it was Mr. Rogers that he was going to go for it. This book, Mr. Rogers, he took a sweater off and killed three cops. It is not a good day in your neighborhood, Mr. Rogers. But what the media and the police are doing is they're combing over all

these dozens of mass shootings and they're looking for people who have Ron Paul material or Glenn Beck material or Alex Jones material. It's not hard. Oh, so they can try to bolster their whole my act view of the world, which by the way, is going to get a lot of cops kill. If the police implement this my act view, we get calls every day of people pulled over for Ron Paul stickers. The cops are pulling guns out on them.

No, you don't. That then makes the public scared of the cops and paranoid. And then they're going to react like this guy did to the police and military. Oh my God. Did you just understand black people in America? I can say about all of this. It's the most important thing he can say about it. I, I don't, I don't want to go too far down that road, but it, it, you

wait, what you just said is a very interesting point. I don't want to go too far down that road. I think we all, I think we all got it. Yeah, but I think we can all take the two steps further down that road. It'd be like, uh, you're still, you're still stupid. What, but what Alex is advocating there or what, what he's putting forth is, uh, I guess a position that the police done did this to themselves that, of course they did.

They shouldn't have been such assholes. They started working with Obama. They got that my act world view going. Which I hope is something that he keeps talking about. I hope that's, I hope that's a band that, uh, Rob do started. Oh dude, in my research about all these other weird things, I've, uh, I found that there is a, uh, improv quartet, musical quartet, uh, in Austin. Okay.

Our art Ace of Aido, which is Alex Jones's guest and a former Austin police chief art Ace of Aido. I thought that was really funny. And I wish there was a band called the Mayak mindset. I know that would be great. God damn it. It would be great. Yeah.

If you are an improv quartet out there, jazz fusion quartet or whatever my act world view. If you are the pentatonics, uh, change your name to my act world view because your garbage in this case though, specifically, those cops were responding to a domestic disturbance that this guy was responsible for. He was the one who was the antagonist. He was the person who was wrong. There's no evidence that they did anything wrong in this situation to

cause this shooting to happen. So for Alex to be using this sort of rhetoric, it legitimately is to blame the victim of murder for the actions of the murderer. Well, that's never done that before, but that's not, I understand. It's not, it's not the first time, but that's not cool, man. No, I don't want to be here defending cops or anything like that, but I'm defending, I'm, I'm defending them as murder victims. I'm defending murder victims.

Yeah. Their, their occupation has nothing to do with, uh, us defending them by, by no bit. Look, I'm as far as anti cop goes. I'm, I'm way on your team, but I'm still not like let's murder indiscriminately. If they hadn't showed up there and what led to their deaths, like if the mom hadn't have called the police, right? Almost certainly he would have beat her up or killed her.

Like that is, I don't, I know we can't like fantasy book. What, if, if, if all, if this, then that's history or whatever, but you look at the, this person with this track record with what he was doing at the time, there's a really good chance he would have caused terrible, uh, harm to his mother. Yeah. And so she did the thing to protect herself that she could, and it led to three people's deaths.

For sure. That's a, it's a horrible thing. And the only person to blame is that Richard, the guy who did it. Yup. The further conversation is the, the places where he was getting his information that led him to. Oh, you could also blame all women for sometimes being mean to him. See, now this is what I was hoping to get to.

It's not even the cops fall. It's women for sometimes being mean. It's taken us two years, but finally we're here. We've been feeding around the bush. We find it's time to do it. Women, you got to stop being a little bit mean to guys. Otherwise we're still going to murder people. That's our, it's, it's on you really.

God, that may, that sounds too close to the real argument that these guys make. It's unfortunate. I mean, we're joking around, but some people actually, yeah, exactly. Super fucked up. Man, if we just, if we, if we just had a gunband on like people who have been suspected of domestic violence or have had the cops called on them for domestic violence disputes, murders would go way, way down. Yeah.

If you look at, they really would. I mean, I poured over the last two years, uh, uh, like mass shooting statistics not too long ago and it's really horrifying because the numbers don't tell stories, but if you look at that, there are websites you can go to that keep like, uh, spreadsheets of each of the shootings and you can find the local news reports about each of them. And if you go to them and you hear the stories of what they are, you're 100% right, like almost all of the people, certainly it's not all of them, but

it's a drastic majority of them are people who have committed acts of domestic violence or had red flags in that area before. Oh, yeah, that is, that is, if Alex Jones is interested in preserving the right to own guns, the second amendment, all that, and is interested in cutting down an unnecessary gun murders, that is the one thing that he should be in favor of and he fucking never talks about it. And it shows what his priorities are. He doesn't give a shit.

And that really shouldn't even, like even for the NRA or anything like that, that should not be a controversy. Like if you're, if you're somebody is really smart in terms of being a lobbying group, because they don't seed an inch, right, which is, they are really smart and far as far as that goes. You gotta, you gotta give them credit for being monsters through and through. And because they haven't given an inch, there's nothing, there's no real, like meaningful legislation about gun control.

We just recently got a acceptance that maybe we shouldn't have bump stocks around. And it's like, that shouldn't have been, it's, bump stocks shouldn't have existed in the first place. But even if you read the articles about that bump stock ban, most of the actual gun sales people that they were talking to, we're like, we don't really sell many of these anyway. They're horrible for accuracy. There's, it's almost a pointless product.

It's really almost like their existence is purely to murder, but there's other discriminant. Yeah. Yeah. There's, yeah. The banning is a symbolic, uh, gun control thing more than it is any kind of meaningful one. Right.

Right. Anyway, we're getting too far off track here at the point is that Alex Jones doesn't give a shit. He does not give a shit. Not give a fuck. And if he did, there would be other things that he would suggest as possible solutions, cause he's just sort of even denying that there is a problem. He's denying the reality of this Pittsburgh shooting situation at all.

And I know that part of that is that he wants to deny the fact that. This guy was inspired by his worldview. Right. You add hating Jews in there and just like change a few words, right? But he is basically like a prototypical info warrior and Alex wants nothing to do with that, especially because he went fucking fishing with his kids and he put off this FEMA camp and it's really fucking driving him nuts. So now we're about 50 minutes into the episode.

Alex gets into the debunking. He has Max Kaiser coming on for the last hour of the show. So he really only has a good hour and a half to do his debunking, which he's already complained. There's too much information. I don't know how I'm going to do this. Too much information. I'll tell you how I'm going to ramble about avoiding it for as long as possible.

I'm going to ramble about nothing for the first 50 minutes of the show and talk to Max, Max Kaiser about his fake currency for the last hour of Max coin going now, do it good. Okay. So here is the, the, uh, Alex sort of dipping his toe into talking about how wrong Glenn Beck is about FEMA camps. They've also got over a hundred news articles that they're getting in order so that as I go over them on air, they can pull them up on screen because I

can show the army's own website where they admit Americans are on 24 camps working as slave labor. Can you believe it? So it's, it's best to show the website, show it on screen, go for hope that folks will go check it out. Well, don't let me stop. So that's coming up at about 25 minutes. When I said he starts us a 50 minutes in that's here.

He actually starts the debunking an hour and 20 minutes in the podcast or the broadcast, but hold on. And why am I doing that? Glenn Beck said a month ago, he was going to expose the FEMA camps and look like they were real. And I said, he's doing that to get your confidence. He's an establishment hack. He's been reading federal talking points right out of the ADL saying a

restaurant, Paul supporters, they're dangerous. Then he flip flopped to get our confidence. And I said, that's what it was. Watch, he's going to come out and the theme camps. Then he announced a week and a half ago that he's going to do it tonight. Now he may cancel that again. He's been endlessly hyping this, but regardless, we're going to expose him. Now understand, I'm show, I'm going to show you about 10% of the evidence with

time constraints. I can only show you a few dozen media clips and news articles and go over here in the time we have point of order. Could have had a production meeting. Alex Jones has unlimited time. No one is controlling anything he does in terms of like, he had his Sunday show. Some of that could have covered the material. No, he could have done the first hour of this show doing, he could bump Max Kaiser.

It doesn't fucking matter. Max Kaiser would still come next week or whatever. No, come on. Max Kaiser's, uh, he's a hot commodity. Everybody's wondering how Max coins doing. Kaiser's happy to be there. That's irrelevant. Alex has infinite time.

And one of the reasons he has infinite time is there's something that he does a bunch at this period of his career. He goes into overdrive. He has this term overdrive. I do not know what that means. He's, he does it very frequently. And that is when his show, uh, the feeds for the radio run out, he broadcasts on his own website.

He has the infrastructure. Okay. Now I get you. He's like, I'm going to go into overdrive to take a few more calls. Right. I'm going to do another hour. I know we're not broadcast on the radio anymore, but we're going to go on my own website.

I'm going to do this live. You can still call in the show is still going. Yep. Prisonplanet.tv members, all that. He has unlimited time. He could sit there and get every piece of information that he wants to get out there. He's preemptively making excuses for how shitty this is going to be by saying,

I only have time to get into like 10%. Now I want to say this very fucking clearly, if you only have time to get into 10%, you better get into the best 10%. I don't understand why I'm going to say that if Alex Jones, the something into that other 90% proves his case and he chose to cover this 10%, go fuck yourself. All right. So as a comedian, like I can do an hour, which is 60 minutes. And if I'm going to do 10% of that six minutes, perhaps the showcase set, I am

just going to half hazardly choose what material I do. I'm not going to, I'm not going to, yeah, what am I? Well, I don't have time to get into the good stuff, Dan. If you want to hear my better material, go somewhere else, but there is nowhere else to go. This is Alex Jones doing his big marquee piece about the FEMA camps. This is it. And it would, and if he did, if, look, he does have overdrive.

He can go on his own show. Also, also he has an hour here. How viral would it go if he, if everybody started talking about how Alex did 10 straight hours, laid out all the documents, got into the weeds, yeah, policy implications, even do it on his own show. He named the names, moved it. Yeah. It would be devastating and revolutionary.

Oh, it would be if any of it was real. Unfortunately, none of it is. Yeah. That's a problem for him. So 25 minutes after that clip where he's shitting on Glenn back and making excuses for how bad this is going to be, Alex finally gets to the big FEMA camp debunking. Here we go.

And this starts out bad. For the next hour and 30 minutes, I am going to cover the reality of FEMA camps in the United States, how it's controlled by the National Security Council, who in turn controls FEMA. Okay. I already got to stop you. How does the NSC control FEMA? So this might seem kind of true on like a technicality because FEMA is under the

umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security. If you're saying that it's run by the National Security Council, that is a bit of a stretch. There are a ton of organizations that fall under the heading of the National Security Department because their role is obviously, you know, it involves national security. Yeah. There's a ton of place departments like the citizens and immigration services, the coast guard, customs enforcement, all of that is under the heading of the Department of National Security.

The department that oversees preparedness for responding to natural and unnatural emergencies is absolutely something that belongs in the Department of National national security. Housing it anywhere else would be a bureaucratic mistake. Okay. The problem is that the National Security Council is not the Department of National Security. The president's national security advisor is a regular attendee of the National Security

Council meetings, but is not, that's not even considered to be an essential player in the council. All right. The council is made up of statutory members like the president, vice president, secretary of state, defense, energy, and the treasury. The national intelligence advisor on the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff are regular attendees, but not statutory members. The department of national security is headed because they're under 16.

The department of the national security is headed by the secretary of homeland security, who is not a statutory member of the National Security Council, and thus is not required to attend their meetings. These are two different things that sound the same sound so similar. They sound the same. They sound similar. They are not the same thing. So essentially we're just having a your, your, your argument with Alex right now.

This is how he starts his debunking by saying that FEMA is controlled by the national security council. It's not. It's in the national department of national security, which are similar sounding, but not the same thing. It's crazy. It is crazy that he doesn't understand the difference between those two things. I can now see why you were so excited about that to me is like, go fuck yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. You, you, you just had your Michael Jordan slam dunk moment and it's only going to get worse from here. I imagine that would be like if the shot on Elo scored on the opposite rim. He accidentally scored for the calves. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, so like this beginning part there, that's really bad. First of all, but then it, uh, that sentence continues even more poorly by the national security council who in turn controls FEMA presidential decision directive, 51 is in place. The one that killed the younglings, uh, the American people, uh, slaves of the federal government and saying that Congress and the courts are ceremonial

under the president. So they've used continuity of government as a way to basically set up a dictatorship here in the United States. So he's talking about the, uh, the PDD 51, the presidential, uh, decision directive 51. He's using that to argue, I've heard him argue this before, that that somehow put FEMA under the national, uh, security council and that it makes everyone slaves and makes, uh, Congress ceremonial, of course, as a judiciary.

I believe he said, none of this is true. FEMA was put into the department of homeland security just, uh, like, uh, when the department of homeland security was created in late 2002. Before that, the agency's responsibilities were handled by HUD in the 70s and then, uh, sort of existed as a solitary independent, uh, agency before that. And now they're run by Chuds Chuds cannibalistic humanoid underground dweller stand PDD 51 or the presidential decision directive 51, also known as the national security and homeland security, presidential directive.

It wasn't issued by George Bush until May 4th, 20, 2007. It has literally nothing to do with FEMA. It has to do with continuity plans in the case of a catastrophic emergency and largely deals with the national security council, which again, is very different from the department of homeland security. They have similar sounding names. So I understand how Alex could make this simple mistake, but it's a huge mistake. I didn't even notice it.

Yeah. Cause it's, it, it sound, it just, it just rolls off the tongue the right way. And you're like, Oh, that's probably what he's talking about. Let's move on. It's, it's fascinating to me how infinite he thinks Obama's power is in retrospect, you know, by, by virtue of the way that we're living now with Trump as president, shouldn't he have to retract all of his Obama's, yeah, but also I want to be clear.

He's not making the argument that a lot of this is Obama. It has to do with like previous presidents and stuff like that. The groundwork that has led to FEMA camps, right. And by the way, all of that stupid too. Yes. So the idea that Homeland security, uh, uh, I'm sorry, the, uh, the idea that we're all slaves and Congress is ceremonial now because of PDD 51. Of course.

Shockingly, none of that's true either. The document specifically says in section to be that the goal is coming up with a framework for an enduring constitutional government to find as quote, a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the federal government coordinated by the president as a matter of comedy with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches to preserve the constitutional framework under which the nation is governed and the capability

of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership and intro into intro parability and support of the national essential functions during a catastrophic emergency that clearly discusses maintaining the branches of government and separation of powers in section five. It even goes on to enumerate what are considered the national essential functions that were mentioned there that must be preserved in a catastrophe. And what do you think the first thing listed is quote, ensuring the continued

functioning of our form of government under the constitution, including the functioning of three separate branches of government in section nine, they even say quote, each branch of the federal government is responsible for its own continuity programs. It is the way Alex is treating this story now is if I heard all of what you said, and then I was like, Oh, he said comedy and said, and was like, instead of forgot about the spelling, instead of comedy, he meant comedy. So this whole thing is a joke, Dan.

That's how you know what they're really saying is when they write comedy, what they mean is comedy. It's, it's legitimately that level of misunderstanding. Yeah, it's fucked up. Yeah, that's stupid. It's nuts. So he's trying to say that the executive branch is absorbing all of this power and making the legislative and judicial subordinate to it.

When I've read these, I've read these, these say Congress is ceremonial. That's what he means by. Yes, when you hear here in the, in the actual text, it's saying very seriously and very importantly, preserving these branches of government, preserving their separateness and our form of government under the Constitution is delineated. It's laid out very specifically PDD 51 established a new position, the national continuity coordinator who would coordinate with departments about their continuity planning.

This position was designated specifically to exist, quote, without exercising directive authority, meaning they can't make any rules. It's a go between. Right. It's a coordinator. It's a go between. It's a guy who's like, Hey, are you doing that? Okay, cool.

How about you? You doing that? Okay, cool. That way they don't have to get involved with each other's business because that, of course, would defeat the fucking point. And in section nine, like I said, they say, quote, each branch of the federal government is responsible for its own continuity programs. It's not saying the executive branch is going to decide yours for you, but we

are going to say you better have one. Exactly. That's what this document is doing. It's not saying I'm going to dictate to you what who cares. Right. If there's some sort of mastermind, some sort of Ozzy mandamus out there who's organizing a catastrophic level event, we need to be prepared. The document also lays out the responsibilities of the secretary of

homeland security in relation to the directive. And none of them are billed FEMA camps to enslave the Patriots. Most of them are things like assess local readiness for response to a catastrophe and stuff like conduct readiness exercise. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we all know what that means. Code taking your guns. Also spoiler alert. PDD 51 was really just an updating of PDD 67, which was issued by Bill Clinton

on October 21st, 1998, which was Excel itself, just an updating of HW Bush's PDD 69. Haha. Nice. June 2nd, 1992, which was itself an updating of National Security Director 37 from April 18th, 1990, which itself was an updating of Reagan's NSD 55 from September 14th, 1982. All I will say is you guys got to get your fucking numbering right.

Cause that did not work out right. So wait. So every time there's a new president, the directives number resets unlike with executive orders. There's a, I don't like that. I want a continuity. Well, we should be on PDD coordinator. We should be on PDD 1,244 right now, Dan.

I don't disagree with you. It does make things a little confusing, but all of this stuff is to say that, uh, there was, uh, there's a sense that we need to know what's going to happen when there's an emergency because when that emergency happens, we don't have time to make a plan. No, no, no, no, no, should be in place by, you know, before you need it. What are you saying? You need to be prepared.

Yeah. I, I've, I've read all these things and I've read the arguments that people like Alex and these patriots and stuff make. I've assessed them to be nonsense because they don't take into account the idea that you do need to be ready. Like that, that idea that like, Hey, worst case scenario, someone sets off a bomb in Congress and 50 senators die, right? Let's go with like 30 senators die just because you leave some, you know?

Yeah, sure. Why not? Uh, what do you do then? We should have a plan in place. This, these directives that have been sent down since at least 1982 have been conveying a sense that we need a plan when something happens, even if that thing is super unlikely, because if that happens, we are fucked. But that's what these guys fucking do.

That is their deal. If you are preparing for something, they say, you are fucking planning on doing it, but Alex, you are preparing food, right? But if you, if you don't prepare for something, they say it's your fault that you weren't prepared. That's the way that they fucking work. They win either way, you know, they hate institutional preparedness, but they like the idea of you wasting money on food that'll like go bad in your attic.

And then blaming you if you didn't use it right or whatever it is. Oh, you know, the government, see, this is what I'm saying. The government didn't prepare for it. That means they wanted it to happen. See, this is what I'm saying. The government's preparing for it because they want it to happen. Like it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's a lot of nonsense and we're not even close to into this.

We're like less than a minute in and Alex has already misrepresented the idea that FEMA is under the national security council when it's the department of national security and completely lied about the reality of PDD 51 and the history of it, what it means, all that stuff. So we're in like deep waters here. Alex is, he's out of his league. This is going to be a disaster and it's his topic. Yeah.

He should have spent less than an hour and a half on this. Like legitimately he is the guy for this. This is supposed to be his area of expertise. And that is bad. That that's your first minute. That's bad. It's not good. So here's what happens right after that first minute, which makes me think it's

worse than even I think. I have made three police state films. I have also written books and news articles on the subject. And the problem is when you cover FEMA camps is there's so much evidence, so many congressional hearings, so many news articles, so many documents. Uh, the problem is knowing where to start, but I will start this presentation right now by simply going over the fact that Glenn Beck a year and a half ago said that Ron Paul supporter should be arrested and that the army

should be not good. This is not good. Not good. Not good. There's so much evidence. There's an avalanche of evidence, Dan. I don't even know where to start where I will start. However, is bitching about this guy.

Glenn Beck sucks. I am going to go out on a limb and say Glenn Beck is a bitch. Bad sign. No, that's not good. That means you got nothing. So when I, I'll just give you my emotional experience of listening to this episode. I, when I turned it on and he's like, I'm going to do my debunking of FEMA camps. I had a two pronged response.

The first was excitement because I'm like, he's got to come correct. Yeah. So that'll at least give me something to dig into, which we know he won't. But then the second was, Oh God, this is going to be exhausting. I'm going to have to look into so many things, which you didn't. I kind of did. There was, there was a bit to look into, but it wasn't as hard as I expected it to be. Like I thought he'd be quoting Byzantine sources and stuff like that.

He's disappointing on both of your prongs somewhat. But then when we go through the first hour of the show and there's basically nothing about this, I'm like, Alex, you are like me in college. You didn't, you didn't prepare for an exam and like the night before you're like, I'm going to do some studying. I'm like, I kind of want to play some video games. I'm going to just back in, I'm just going to play some Donkey Kong country. We'll see what happens.

Now he's living in this, in that space of like, well, I didn't prepare for this. So if it goes well, I'm a genius. And if it doesn't go well, I didn't prepare. But he's not, he, he is, but he's not presenting it that way. And there's a problem. Yeah, of course. He's not like, and he's wrong. But so when he starts up and he gets into that, like FEMA is under the

national security council, I'm like, no. And I'm like, uh-oh, I started to get really like worried. And then as soon as he was like, where to start, Glenbeck sucks. I'm like, you have nothing. I was blown away. I've been studying him for two years now. And I was even shocked by how little he recognized that this matters. Like this is a historical document.

The day Alex Jones had to talk about FEMA camps in a substantive and definitive way. And he's like, Glenbeck is a mother. Oh no, Alex. I felt pity. I felt real pity. Did you? I felt pity and fear.

Oh no. I felt, I felt afraid for him. Oh, you got to not do that. I felt really scared. I'm like, how are you going to do the next hour and a half? If that's where you. I know he should have, he could have totally just like pushed it back and pushed it back in the middle.

Like, oh shit. I, I, I even wanted to get to your calls. I had so much information that I wanted to lay out. But you know what? I just got so busy defending white people from murder. Um, so I was worried. I was very worried about his. Like competence, I think is what I'm looking for.

Yeah. I was worried about his ability to actually, to land this and to fly it. Like I didn't think we're like an hour and 25 minutes into his show. Max Kaiser, hard to believe Max Kaiser is coming in at the three hour mark. So you've got a good, um, you know, hour and 25 hour, 30 in there, maybe hour with commercials. Yeah. Yeah.

I was like, I don't know what you're going to talk about. I don't know. I don't know how you're going to do this. What's he got, Dan? So here's what he comes with back against the wall. Here's what he comes with first. Up on screen are photocopies of the Miami Herald. And this goes back into the 1980s when they had congressional hearings

dealing with shadow government and martial law. There's the headline, the secret martial law to say it talks about secret summits, a plan to take over the government. So this was that 80s, uh, uh, Miami Herald article that he, he wants to talk about the article of the Miami Herald is not about FEMA camps. It was from 1987. It was written by a guy named Alfonso Chardet. Uh, and Alex isn't even reading the whole headline.

The whole headline is quote Reagan aims for him to secret government. And it's about, couldn't even finish the headline. It's about Oliver North and the Iran Contra affair, which many of his guests and associates either were or pretend to have been involved in. So I don't know what to do with that. I mean, if that's what you want to start with, a misrepresented article about fucking Oliver North. Okay.

How's Oliver North doing? What's he up to these days? I think he's running the NRA. Well, I'm glad we solved that problem. So I'm like, okay, that's not good. That is a proof. I know that Oliver North did, uh, you know, propose that Rex 84 plan and some of that will come up.

We've talked about that in the past, uh, but where he goes after that is even softer. Now, now you want proof of martial law, proof of FEMA camps? Here it is. Go ahead and play it. The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. That atmosphere is not justified. Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday, that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or

3,000 points the first day, another couple of thousand the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted not on Fox. So we've talked about this a bunch. This was part of the, um, there's an, the Obama deception. This is Brad Sherman. Uh, the, uh, the house member, um, and he actually appeared on Alex's show and clarified his comments that he made on the house floor when he said that

this is just something that people were talking about. It wasn't a real threat. So Alex is using that and like, oh, that's not good either. This is, this is what you're coming with. This is fucked up. Here's proof. This is, that's proof of FEMA. Here's proof of FEMA camps.

A congressman said, uh, something that's maybe adjacent. But it's like fear mongering. You know, like it, sure, what Brad Sherman was talking about was this idea that like, if we didn't pass this bailout, uh, severe consequences could come in terms of the economy falling apart. That, that sort of thing. And which was correct. He talks about like the idea that like, you know, yeah, it is a bit

sensationalist and people were, you know, it's a game of telephone. One guy says stock market's going down 300, 400, but that's what he was expressing in that speech. Like it's been very clear. It was on Alex's own show when Brad Sherman explained that this is bad. Alex knows that isn't proof of anything. What's even weirder is that the very situation that he is citing Brad Sherman for, uh, being correct about is the situation that Alex is trying to force.

Like he's trying to say everyone should be in a state of constant panic in order for these things to occur. And so I'm going to create a state of constant panic in order to stop these things. I guess. So I actually fucked up when I was cutting these clips. I'd like to apologize for that because at this point, I accept your apology because at this point, Alex Jones brings up army regulation 210-35, which is the civilian inmate labor program.

So he brings that up as his like, uh, sort of real serious piece of information. And I apologize. I wish I had the clip of it. He's going to talk about it later. So you can hear him talk about it, but he starts talking about how this is meant to enslave everybody and all that stuff. Who is, who is not? Yeah.

Now, uh, uh, army regulation 210-35 was a plan from 2005 that the army put into place where they would take federal prisoners and put them to work on army bases, their reasoning for this was that it would be cheaper for them and it would give the inmates a source of meaningful work in quotes. So the military had a slave program as well as easing overcrowding in prisons. I want to be clear. Nothing I'm going to say is in any way advocating this program or saying that it's okay, but I am saying Alex is lying about it.

It's quite frankly, a gross extension of the convict leasing programs that have been used to keep slavery around without calling it that. And on that principle, I'm strongly against it. However, Alex should have no fear of this program being used against him. In section two dash three paragraph E, the document lists the sorts of inmates that aren't eligible for the program and getting out of this program would be fucking easy. They don't accept any sex offenders, any violent offenders, anyone deemed a flight

risk, anyone who's been quote involved in drugs within the last three years, even drugs in prison, anyone incarcerated for selling drugs, anyone who's had a management problem at another facility, anyone who's committed arson, any inmate who's under the treatment for a mental disorder. The list goes on and on. So it's literally just Paul Manafort who is eligible for this program. Because there is another qualification about like being part of a criminal conspiracy.

So even he wouldn't. Yeah. The reason they aren't interested in anybody who fits those descriptions is because this is about getting cheap labor and people who fit those descriptions have a potential to make their labor not so cheap anymore. This is a gross, evil program. But if you read the documents, which I have, it's absurd to think that they have any interest in anything other than but abusive financial arrangements.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just want slaves and much, much further to the point. This document from 2005 isn't about starting this program. It's clear if you read it that it's been going on a long time. No, but this is what this program is. This is what prisons do. Right. Right.

So this program is like, I'm not saying it's okay because no, no, absolutely not prisons do absolutely not. No, this program is literally them spelling out. We want house slaves. We don't want people who are going to be a flight risk. Well, like that's brutal. Well, the part that's difficult for me, that is damning. The part that's difficult for me is that I can't quite figure out exactly what

the work these people would be doing because I figured it would be like custodial and nature, that sort of thing. But at the same time, they talk about it in the document that these people who would be used wouldn't be allowed to come into contact with the army people who were there. I think it's like digging ditches or something like that. Does the army have cotton plantations that we didn't know about? I mean, I think it's close.

I mean, it's got to be something like that because it can't be custodial work because you're not allowed as one of these inmates and go into the barracks and the sort of living quarters of the army people. I think it has to be just like really shitty, uh, digging latrines. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and of course I'm against it, but yeah, no, fuck them. But what Alex's angle on this should be is protecting the rights of these prisoners as humans, not that it's some sort of a thing that's meant to entrap the Patriots by talking about this very real thing, the civilian

inmate labor program in the way he's talking about it. What he does is make, uh, a good portion of the opposition to it impotent. Because they're complaining about something that isn't real. They're conspiracy theorists yelling about a real thing in a fake way. Right. Whereas the real way to approach something like this is like, we need to legislate for the rights of these prisoners fucked up. And also you should see it as an extension of the thing that's going on

at the actual prisons. You know, this isn't, this isn't something that is so foreign to just what incarceration is. Yeah. Like it is a fucked up thing to learn that like the, the army is using slave labor from prison. No, everybody, but everybody should really get on this whole like the 13th amendment was a good step, not the finished.

Abolished prisons, uh, is not a farfetched idea. But also the other thing too, uh, is that like Alex is perpetuating this idea that they're just going to create these false charges to get you into prison so you can get into the slave program. That's kind of the argument that he's making complaining about the civilian inmate labor program. And even if you do believe the worst about this program, that's ludicrous because they don't need all that labor.

You know, like, it's a certain point. We got too many, man. Like I hate to relate this to my playing of civilization, but like, I love having a builder around. You don't need, sometimes I end up in a city that has two weeks or two.

Well, I just got to skip your turn over and over again on a real world level. The idea of incarcerating tons and tons of people in these civilian labor programs, you would end up with an excess of labor at that point. And they're not interested in that even then for Alex specifically, if he was for some reason, for by some miracle charged with, uh, probably technically killing a guy on some manslaughter charge. That's a violent crime. He still wouldn't be a part of it.

And I guarantee you would have a quote management problem at some facilities. Of course you wouldn't be eligible for it. So if you're a patriot and you are afraid of being put into the civilian labor program, I would say, if you get arrested, punch somebody. Now you're not, now you're not eligible. There's a, there's a, there's a problem. There's a problem with the incentive structure for this. I will say that it's crazy.

This is so stupid. It's really like, if you want to talk about the substantive issues and the real world about this, you have to talk about prison reform. You have to talk about like the actual issues on the ground. And the fact that this is like one of Alex's big pieces of FEMA camp stuff. I mean, it's as close as he gets to real, but it's still wrong. Yeah. It's still very wrong.

Immensely wrong and offensive on so many levels. It's not, it's not because it's minimizing the real problem, which is slaves are still around. That's what he's doing. He's like, Hey, they're going to turn you into slaves without ever saying, Hey, we already have slaves. I don't think I've ever heard Alex say convict leasing. Like I don't think he, I've ever heard him talk about the, the, that

reality and those programs that just serve to continue slavery. Man, we still have slaves. This, does everybody wake up knowing that cause I feel like people don't. I think, I think that the people are becoming more aware of that. And I think that's a positive thing. I hope so. I think, uh, I think we're getting closer to dealing with that as a reality, uh, but I still think we have a long fucking way to go.

Well, it's like on our, it's like on our last episode, whenever I was like, that can't be real that the Republicans, Bob, uh, that, what do you think? It's just apathy. And then you're like, well, yeah, obviously it's just, I didn't say well, obviously you did that for yourself. Exactly. But that's, that's clearly the point. Like for so many Republicans, every time they pull out that, like,

we're the party of Lincoln, we're the party that freed the slaves. And it's like, well, you guys wake up every day with slaves, man. It's malicious. You don't do it. Yeah. And Democrats are guilty of it too. No, no, no, for sure. It's not, uh, it's, it's not a unit, uh, party.

Well, we don't want to appear weak on continuing slavery, Dan. Sure. The Democrats really need to make a compromise about these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So, uh, suffice it to say, Alex talks about that a little bit at the beginning, and I'm sorry that I didn't make a clip, but, uh, I think you

understand why whatever he was saying was full of shit. And he will talk about it later. Yeah. Um, and you'll see some of the things he has to say. Um, so now at this point, he just talks more about Glenn Beck, uh, it says some bullshit and then realizes that though he had his producers getting hundreds of things, he forgot something very important. And I get back to this thing about Glenn Beck.

I mean, it's ridiculous to say that we're not going into tyranny. When PDD 51 says the president is a dictator, it doesn't go read it for yourself. I did. This is a real us wives read it in special authorization act says the governor serve at the pleasure of the president. The Pentagon, uh, issued a directive six months ago saying their job is now crowd control and that the governors serve at the pleasure of the president or dual headed officers and they issued, uh, 14

oh four point 10. In fact, I forgot to print that for this presentation. There's just so much racing through my mind. I want to document Google that story that we wrote about, uh, no, no, don't Google the story is about to get him to print it. The one about, uh, Pentagon creates new civilian force. I need that. I think it's 14.

Oh, Google the thing I want to be exact on this. Don't Google the search. Oh, this is bad. And so we've got all of this here. You do have all of this here. Um, so look, he's saying that the John Warner defense act, uh, uh, makes it so governors don't really exist. And they're, you know, they, they're just serve at the whim of the president.

That really sounds like American history. I'm pretty sure if, as, as somebody who has just paid a small amount of, uh, attention to American history, I'm pretty sure that at any point in time, the president can just say, governors are your fire, right? His, uh, his best friend, Donald Trump's catchphrase. You're fired governor get out of here, governor nonsense. Um, there's language in that bill that the president can send out national guard troops and states of emergency, like if martial law is declared, which previously

was up to the will of the governor, although it would create a very weird situation. If the, there was a legitimate state of emergency, uh, and the president requested national guard troops and the governor said, nah, that would be a weird. That would be fascinating. That would be interesting situation. And I, I, I would love to see that conversation happen, but I don't think so. That would mean a whole lot of other shit has gone wrong before that.

I would also predict, I can't prove this, but I would also predict that every time in history that the president has requested a governor pull out national guard troops, they have. I don't know. I don't know because I think my point is that I think generally speaking, if there were like a terrorist attack, or if there were a horrible natural disaster and the president were to say, I would like national guard troops, uh, the governor would always say yes.

And saying that the president can bypass that step is not going to functionally change that much. Yeah. I understand why people would have a little bit of discomfort with that. And maybe, maybe there's something worth retaining and saying that the governor and the president should coordinate on that. Maybe, you know, I, I actually, no, so I, but it doesn't make, it doesn't make the governor ceremonial.

No, no, no, absolutely not. But the more I think about it, the more I am concerned about how so many norms, you know, when we, when we talk about Trump being president, we talk about the violation of so many political norms, you know, and that being in there does because imagine, imagine for a moment, uh, Trump having some sort of temper tantrum having some sort of temper tantrum, like right before a midterm and saying that we're going to send Arizona's National Guard to the border. I can't imagine that.

And, and some, and or, or like New Mexico or one of those states on the border, right? And the governor of one of those states is like, Hey, no, we can't do that. That makes sense. I want to keep that one in place. I honestly think that there's a middle ground that makes the most sense. Do you mean a president not doing it unless it is a necessary emergency? No, I don't even think that's the middle ground.

I think that's the requisite circumstance. I think that the middle ground is coordination between the two. I don't think the president or the governor should necessarily have final say on it. I think it should be some sort of a quorum thing where we balance the respect and responsibility and sovereignty of the state with the reality of the situation, the ramifications for other states and the citizens. And I, and I agree.

I think there is a middle ground that, uh, is, is easy to preserve for sure. And I think has absolutely, I think it functionally has for the most part. And I think the, the law itself there is more of a backstop of like, Hey, if we have a crazy fucking president, right, who is just directing National Guard troops anywhere, the governor can be like, Nah, dude, we can't, we can't be doing this, which you're an adult. I'm an adult. We can't be doing this.

Then the, if, if the president is so bad and so out of control and the, the governor is like, no national guard troops, that president will just send in the army then we're past, we're past the point of like it being, uh, controllable by the governor. Yeah, that's true. That's true. If we turn into civil war, then it's United States versus New Mexico, but then of course you have the opposite situation where there's a crazy

fucking governor who is not going to send the National Guard troops out, even though fucking an earthquake just destroyed half of Phoenix, you know, that's where, uh, churches come in or charities come in, the Red Cross. Yeah, come on, private sector comes in and fixes everything. Cars for kids is absolutely not a front for nevermind. It's super complicated. And I don't think I 100% support the idea, but I also believe because I've read it, I've, I've read the John Warner defense authorization.

I'm certainly not in favor of all of it, but I don't think that it's that big a deal. And I think that it is specifically about catastrophic emergencies. Right. Like they do talk about like what sort of emergencies would be relevant to this. And it's things that would cause massive deaths. And it would be like, it would be a huge, like, let's say a meteor hit somewhere. Yeah.

I know that's extreme or no matter if fault goes off or something like that. That's kind of the idea though, is that it does have to be extreme enough for everybody to kind of agree like 9 11, you know, like it's something on any, anything on those levels in terms of, Oh, fuck. Yeah. And I don't think in those instances, streamlining who's responsible for decisions is necessarily a terrible thing. Right.

Because in, it goes back to that whole thing about like, you have to do preparation before the event. Yeah. Otherwise the preparation, the preparations meaningless and can't do anything. Yeah, yeah. So the idea of like being like, all right, everything is good in tell a point. But when we're past that point, we all need to be working on the same page. I kind of understand where that comes from.

No, the thing that this show has really doing this show, not the show specifically, but doing this show has really given me far more appreciation for is the literal language that legislators do have to write or, or these kinds of things. It's like, Paul, is it that bad? Oh, but it, but it is like, yeah, this, this conversation we're having is one of such specificity that if you fuck up the language, like a little bit, then you have space for Alex Jones to run in and say, the executive branch is overrunning the rest of the government.

And he's like, dude, wait, wait, wait, you're talking about a versus the like, come on, man, there's layers upon, we're trying, there's layers upon layers. There's like Alex at the bottom with just a wild denouncements of nonsense with misunderstandings of language and, and pretending that everything is a secret code. Right. And then there's us with a sort of modicum of understanding and reading comprehension and, and that sort of thing and nuance.

And then there's a level above that, that like people who really understand policy, that they could explain things to us even better. And it's just unfortunate that people could explain things to us. It's just unfortunate that Alex exists because he's so dumb, just so dumb. Yeah. I wish there was another way to put it. He's just so fucking dumb. He's so fucking dumb.

So the next point that he wants to make gets into religion a little bit because he's, he's still, of course, he's trying to make his point. We really don't know how that has anything to do with FEMA camps, but it continues. Well, he's still, look, he's going all over the place because he needs the broad spectrum in order to make his point, because his point isn't good. He has to hit A, B, C, D and E and F in order to make point B because point B is flimsy as shit.

Or non-existent. All of the, that alphabet is flimsy, but they're all flimsy in like, they're not, they look fine to the casual observer. And so it'll make it be look better when all of them suck. Right. All right. The sum is greater than the parts of the whole. That's a good way to put it.

Yeah. And this part stinks. And then we're going to really get into all the documentation coming up in the next segment, but here are the clergy response teams. Back that up about 10 seconds. I want them to hear that. If martial law ever becomes a reality, it will be the pastors who pacify the public.

Now remember secret FEMA program. It was secret. Don't tell the public we're going to pay you to read this to your flock. Tell them take shots, tell them turn their guns in, tell them Romans 13 to submit to a government takeover. Okay. They're paying them to do this. That's why your church has got new vans and television sets and suddenly

you're hearing the, your preacher say this, how creepy and un-American is that? Sounds creepy. Um, Hey, if your problem is with Romans 13, your problems with the fucking Bible, cause it does say that all authority on earth is destined to by God. They're just going to keep bringing out this. Oh, oh, so what are you going to bring out the Bible that they gave to slaves prior to the one where they gave to slaves? They ripped out all of those passages about being free and all of that shit.

The ones that was entirely about submitting to authority, what are they going to give those Bibles out? No. So this is all based on a guy named pastor, Walt Mansfield, who came out and uh, became a whistleblower about the government enlisting pastors to indoctrinate their parishioners. Sure. There's no official confirmation of any of this.

It's all just coming out of this one dude who I don't trust and we've talked about before in the past. What Alex fails to point out about any of this, he plays a news clip of, uh, I believe it's a channel 12, uh, KLNA or something like that. I don't know if you Google, uh, clergy response teams, news 12, you'll find the video, just Google clergy response teams and send me all the photos. I think it's from Louisiana, but if you find, if you go and listen to this, it's a horribly done, uh, sort of local news clip, but the clip that he's playing, uh,

the problem that he doesn't take into account is that the pastor that's being interviewed there is a guy named Dr. Durell Tuberville, which is an awesome name. Do Dr. Durell Tuberville, how dare you, how dare you say a name like that and pass it off as a real name. But the deal is that Dr. Tuberville quote serves as a chaplain for the Shreveport fire department and

Caddo sheriff's office. He's a government employee. So none of this proves in any way that the government is going out and trying to like enlist your pastor to turn them against it. He is the chaplain for the fire department and sheriff's office. Apparently they're going out and recruiting pastors to pacify the fire department. Well, but the, the interview that they do sounds really scary. If you imagine it as being your pastor, who has been enlisted by a secret FEMA

program, obviously my pastor is Joel Osteen. So I assume America's pastor. Yeah. The, the, the, like the, what Alex is trying to perpetuate through that clip is this idea that they're, you know, they're going in, they're trying to get you to get shots because God would want you to and Romans 13 says that you need to the only interview in this whole very poorly made local news production is a guy who works for the government.

So I don't think it proves anything. I really don't, I've looked, I've tried to find any evidence like Alex talks about the clergy response team is like 20 something thousand preachers across the country. We're all being paid by FEMA and he has documents to prove it. Sure. There is nothing, there is nothing. It is kind of fascinating to hear somebody be like, don't believe the Bible.

Alex says that a bit though, I think. And it's interesting the, the only place there is the scripture that's like even the devil can quote scripture. There's that one too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you the Bible sure has themselves covered coming and going. Don't they the clergy response team stuff is a load of bullshit. There is nothing behind it, although surprise, although I will say this, Jordan,

if anyone can prove it to me, I will change my position. Yes, I believe that there is a decent chance, decent chance that something called the clergy response team exists. Okay, but I will only believe that it is actual preachers who are government employees like this chaplain, yeah, department and stuff like that. Yeah. People who are, whether or not they are on the payroll are committed volunteers right in the government already who serve a role to make sure

that people don't get into crazy panics emergency. I believe that's possible. I will go. So far as to say that it is a show by Dick Wolf that is as far as I will go. I would like to see that show. I would love to see that show. Odefin Tutuola only carry over character because iced tea is the best. Fine.

Bells are can come to. So you've got to have the bells. Come on, man. I just think this, this stuff sucks. I just think it's terrible. Yeah. Cause it's bad. So at this point, we're about 40 minutes into Alex's actual breakdown

of the FEMA camp stuff. Yeah. He has approximately an hour and 20 minutes total to talk about it because Max geysers are coming right. And that's a hard out on proving my point. I don't think he's proven his point really shouldn't be a hard out. I don't think he's proven his point to this stage that we're at. I, everyone, please feel free to go listen to Alex's April 6th, 2009

episode of his show. It's not too hard to find. If you want to debunk the idea that I'm not bringing up every substantive thing he talks about, sure, go for it. I don't give a shit. Good luck. He has said so much nonsense complained about Glenn Beck obliquely reference something like he did at the beginning when he said the Miami Herald article

in the eighties and I said, I can't go on that. Yeah. Things like that. He's spent all of his time doing stuff like that and making these bad arguments. He's done nothing to prove to me in any way that FEMA camps are real. Absolutely not. Um, and, and more, more importantly, I think, and I, I am probably

wrong about this, maybe, but there has to be some overlap between Alex Jones listeners and Glenn Beck listeners or watchers. Definitely. He hasn't even proven to those people that Glenn Beck is wrong. Nor is he actually rebutted anything that Glenn Beck, uh, really could say. Absolutely. All he's done is I think if you want to be like the most generous to Alex, I think what you'd probably say is like, what he's done is try to create

substantive things like the, uh, inmate labor clamp program and things like that, that he knows that Glenn Beck won't talk about. Right. So when Glenn, Glenn Beck doesn't talk about that. He could be like, I told you, he'd never touch that. Of course. That's what I think he's doing that. And I think that's good for him.

Not like it's good, but it's good for what he's trying to do. Yeah. I think there's that, but what I'm saying is we're 40 minutes in and he says this and this to me is also a big problem. Oh boy. So let's go ahead and go over the stack of news titled FEMA camps. Here is the text of HR six, four, five national emergency centers establishment act.

This says the clergy response teams will run these with the feds. The local police will be part of it. They will have medical care and nightly movie nightly movie nightly. Okay. Well, it's not that bad, dude. 40 nightly movies, 40 minutes into his, uh, debunking that started an hour and 20 minutes into his, uh, fucking show, right? He gets to the stack of news that says FEMA camps.

That's not good because he hasn't proved shit before this. Nope. So that's bad. And the first thing that he says is HR six, four, five, this bill that involves the clergy response teams and nightly movies, it fucking doesn't. And it died in committee. It was a bill that was super unpopular. This dude had pitched a couple of times before it, it, it, it, and it didn't

create FEMA camps. It didn't. And I, I mean, I'm going to say it, it should have accounted for the future domination of binge watching nightly movies. What, what, what, who's going to watch the wire? Who's going to watch the wire? We need nightly binge watching of TV shows. Yep.

Absolutely. When, when would Homeland have a chance? Or if everybody's watching my favorite show ever, if everybody's watching nightly movies nonsense, um, all that isn't in the bill. It is, of course, but the reason that it has never had any traction is largely because of the like, uh, financial problems with it, the amount of money that you would need to repurpose a bunch of places into being like, uh, place where people could go in an emergency.

And that's right. Ever, right. Fuck that. Fuck that. Yep. So it's actually a demonstration of lack of preparation. Uh, the fact that this, uh, HR six, 45 didn't go through. Alex doesn't know that he should know that at the time.

It's dead in committee by the time he's talking about, you would hope. But it was introduced in like 2000, uh, 2005, 2007, 2009, 2011. It never, it never went anywhere. So the fact that that is what he comes in first with is like, this is the bill that's going to do it, not recognizing. It's the third volley in like an unsuccessful ping pong game. Um, it's just said, it's not good. It's not good.

And it gets worse when he gets to his next article in the stack. Here we go. This is the articles one of hundreds in the stack of. FEMA camp news. It's labeled FEMA camp this stack. Uh, here is a Wall Street Journal KBR awarded homeland security contract worth up to 385 million to build three 1 million person FEMA camps in the United States. Okay.

That's an interesting, that's an interesting article that he's coming up with. This isn't about FEMA camps. This is a story about an engineering and construction company being awarded a contract to support ICE facilities. Also, Alex fails to mention in the art, uh, that in the article, they point out that KBR also held this contract from 2000 to 2005. So his timeline really doesn't make any sense anymore. Because if it is about the idea that like they're trying to create these FEMA

camps that whether they had to be going back to at least 2000, which is before nine 11, which nine 11 brought in the crisis that course it's all nonsense. This is about, uh, creating camps to put immigrants in. This is not, this isn't, this isn't real. This is the wrong atrocity, dude. Exactly. Exactly. You are.

No, no, no, there's an atrocity. Alex, you could be useful. You could be useful. No, no, I'm, I'm with you. I like your passion, but you're not doing it right. Shift it. It put it towards, also, let's be honest. 385 million is nothing in terms of a contract like that.

In terms, no, no, no, I mean, in terms of what it would require to create FEMA camps that control the entire American population on the scale. Alex imagines. Yeah. We're talking about trillions of dollars. That's a, that's a drop in the bucket. Yeah. Yeah.

No, 385 million is nothing. You can't get lighting in there. Yeah. 385 million. Absolutely not. The idea that he's talking about, they wouldn't have lighting. If they were doing the FEMA camps though, they would try to cut corners. They would try and cut corners.

So that's one, they would make sure a lot of children die. Oh, that hasn't happened. So that, that's right. That's a story that Alex is pitching as like KBR has now been given all this money in order to create the FEMA camps, not recognizing the contract goes back nine years prior to the time that he's talking about this and that it was about ICE facilities. Now, Alex gets to a second story about these contracts that are going around

to prove that FEMA camps exist. And it's kind of interesting. Here's the New York Times. Halliburton subsidiary gets contract to add temporary immigration detention centers, just like under Rex 84, the documents came out in the 80s. They said the cover would be for illegal aliens, but it would be a really a martial law takeover plan to suspend the constitution and take over the media. A couple important points there.

KBR is a Halliburton subsidiary. He's talking about the exact same story and pretending that it's two different stories, it's the exact same story. Now, the bigger picture in that clip is that Alex is saying that Rex 84 would be disguised as immigrants coming in, but it would really be a plan to make martial law. Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense. I'd like to remind everyone that in 2018, Alex said that Trump is initiating

Rex 84 because it was actually, I thought it was about martial law, but it's really actually about the immigrants. White president, 100% it's all about that. It's all white. And you can that's the most white witness you could white. You can see that demonstrated so clearly, especially when he's talking about the exact same thing from history. And he's talking about Rex 84 in 2009, he's talking about, I have the secret

knowledge that it's not really about illegal immigrants. It's about locking up the Patriots in 2018. When he's saying that Trump is putting Rex 84 into action, he says, look, the reality is it appeared to be about locking up the Patriots, but it's actually about making sure our borders are secure. Yeah, sure. This is what I think levels of nonsense, sad nonsense. It's really sad nonsense.

I want him to be better. You know what? That is that is a thought that I had repeatedly. Yeah, I really, I really did. It was disappointment. Yeah. Like I look, whatever, if I sat down in a debate with Alex Jones, I'd probably lose because he'd scream at me and I'd start laughing.

Like, honestly, it would probably not go great. But at the same time, I want to respect him because he is a monster. He's a really bad dude. And I'm against him. Like I've made my life about being against him pretty much and I'd like him to be better. And I like, this is his show where it's like legitimately prove FEMA camps. You have one objective.

Yeah, you go in, it's nose to the grindstone, just fucking do it. And this is the outcome of the stuff we get. And it's just, it is disappointment. Yeah, there's a huge, there's a huge piece of this. This is fucking disappointing. No, this, this whole thing reminds me so much of an argument with my family. Like just any argument where it's like, guys, you're my family. I want to love you and I want to respect you.

I'm not sure I'm going to go with that. If you're going to be the thing that you're doing, at least do it to the level where I'm not bored by you. When it comes down to all this shit, you're bringing shit here. It comes down to over and over again, not necessarily with your family, but like with this, maybe with your family too. I want a higher class of criminals. I know.

Can't handle this level of, yeah, what are you doing? I thought, okay, I'm going to be honest with you. This is a little embarrassing. Yeah. I thought Alex was holding back. Oh, you poor bastard. I thought that there was a chance you poor bastard for the last two years of episodes that I've been listening.

That is projection right there. I didn't listen to the right episode. That is projection. I thought that maybe he had a lot of fucking gas in the tank and the day that he has to prove that FEMA camps exist. I'm going to be in trouble because he's actually going to prove it. No, you thought you were, you thought he was going to pull a U and drop a hammer. I did.

I really really did. That's projection on your part because you know, he's not going to drop. I, you have hammers. I didn't. He's no hammer brother. I want to be clear. I didn't think that he was going to, but there was a part of me that was kind of afraid.

Yeah, yeah, it was a part of me that was, and this is, this is another message. Uh, have no fear. Yeah. No, totally about bullies and liars and frauds. They don't have shit. They have nothing like all the time that you want to like, uh, I think that there's an impulse in polite society and people that they just don't want to push back on people who are clearly full of shit because they, you know, you fear conflict

and that sort of thing. I mean, don't get in fights with people, but like, don't be afraid of pushing back and stuff like this because what's beneath it is this, like this is Alex's chance. He, this is the day he's supposed to come correct. And he doesn't pathetic. So I'm, I'm, we're still in the, uh, Alex's stack of, uh, of FEMA camp articles. Here's another one.

Also, uh, George Bush reopened all the Japanese and German, uh, president of war camps in the U S and water in, light in, and then just have them set up and ready. That was in, uh, the CBS news Bush to preserve World War two internment camps. So I mean, I'm not cutting stuff the same way, the same way that Germans preserved fucking Auschwitz. I'm not, I'm not cutting out like instances where he says, like, good points

or anything like that. Yeah. I'm just choosing all the points where he says something specific I can look into. Right. So he, this is another one. Alex is actually correct on this one that Bush allocated funds to preserve internment camps, but the same article explains that quote, the money will be administered by the national park services to restore and pay for research at

10 camps. The law is intended to help preserve the camps as a reminder of how the United States turned on some of its own citizens. At a time of fear, yes, 100% like Germany preserved Auschwitz. Yes. Yes. The plan was to turn them into historic sites run basically as museums of history at the, uh, by the national park service at the time of Bush's financing,

two of the 10 camps from World War two already served this purpose. The plan was just to expand it to the other ones. So this is not like, there's no fucking piece of this at all. That is Bush is trying to reopen right, uh, these camps. He's trying to preserve them as a piece of history that we can all learn from, which I think is actually super valuable. It's any to the point where you wish they were publicized more. So more people would visit them and be like, Oh, right.

America's not that great, but America not being that great isn't an indication that you hate America or anything like that. And I think that's a distinction. That's important. I agree. I think in order to make America as good as it can be again, do need those sorts of things.

We do need those museums of the horrible things that we've done. We need to own our shame and wear it on our, our, our sleeves. Well, I referenced it, I referenced it earlier, but the slave Bible, there are like four copies in America. Like the slave Bible is a really, really damning and important piece of history. Because you need to understand it. You look at that and you say, Oh, well,

the Christians and by the way, they were against slavery and you know, you know that these people went into the fucking Bible, which you think is so fucking important, removed every passage about any kind of freedom. Every single part of that Bible that's mentioned, maybe you shouldn't be a fucking slave. They removed and gave it to slaves. They used the religion as a weapon.

Purposefully. Yeah, absolutely. That's America. Yeah, absolutely. And they, they used religion as a weapon against freedom and against equality and those sorts of things in the same way that using patriotism is a weapon against equality and everyone being a people. Yeah.

What was done during internment camps. And I think that there is value to that. It's not demonizing religion and it's not demonizing patriotism in order to just own up to those things and celebrate. I don't mean celebrate like hurrah, but celebrate in a sense of like understanding those pieces of our history. Denying them just ends up creating Nazis. Well, and if you want to, if you want to say how great your fucking Bible is,

then you also have to accept that there are people always trying to alter the Bible to make it do what they want it to do. The simple awareness of what that Bible do. That's what I text people on Tinder. That Bible Jesus up. Sorry. That was an example of me derailing you with a joke. Oh, isn't that surprising?

The tables have turned. How? How? So Jordan, we have seen some things that Alex has brought into his argument here. We've seen. I mean, all lies, but you're, yeah, you're giving things a lot of weight in that sense. Things can mean anything.

No, but Alex use words. They're all words. I was going to say things almost suggest substantial things. Like that's like saying we've seen Alex use a lot of ghosts where you're like, well, I get what you're saying. I think I fucking made it very clear at the beginning of this that there is no substance, but I do think he said things. You know, like I think the civilian inmate labor program is a thing.

And I think there's a better conversation to have about it. He's having his and God bless. You're right. We wish we wish it was called the civilian. We're, we're slaves now, you know, PDD 51 is a real thing. He's lying about it. Right. These news articles, the Miami Herald article, the KBR article, like all this stuff

is like he's, he's lying about them. But now we're going to pivot into government business. Oh, that's travel because Alex has some executive orders. He wants to talk about no, um, and this actually is probably the like it tickled me more than a number of things I've ever, uh, discovered on this podcast. Now I thought I would go over executive orders for you. Executive orders. Uh, in fact, you can just Google executive order 11,000.

This has been reaffirmed by every subsequent, uh, president. What does that mean? Assessing emergency preparedness functions to the secretary of, uh, labor. Okay. And this is just one of the executive orders. You can go read 11,000, uh, for yourself allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. You can go read that if you'd like to.

So this is an executive order from JFK, who I thought Alex said was the last real president, uh, so anti globalist devil and trying to take down the federal reserve that they had to kill him. Uh, but here he is enslaving the public. He put out, uh, JFK did put in executive order 11,000. Like that is really nice of him to make it a nice, even number. Well, I mean, that was a coincidence, but it's like, that's just timing. Yeah.

That's great. So Alex has to believe in his conception. If he believes this to be true, he's wrong about it. But if he believes it to be true, then JFK has to simultaneously be the president who was put out an executive order that was going to cripple the federal reserve, which led to him being murdered by the evil forces under the sway of the federal reserve. Right.

And he put out an executive order that in essence enslaved the American public. You take the good with the bad, the rough with the smooth or whatever. Like this is nonsensical. Also, this order was overturned by Nixon's executive order 11,490. And also it's no, in no way binding today. Wouldn't it be nicer if it was 11,001, but I'll accept that. I'll accept that. You know what, JFK was still around for 11,000 and one.

Yeah. Also, there's the no backsies executive. Seatback. Uh, even if it hadn't been overturned and all that stuff, and even if it were still binding today, uh, it had zero to do with forcing citizens to do anything, even in emergency situations. That executive order, 11,000, it was guidelines and instruction on how best to

use civilian manpower that was available in a crisis. Section four C of that executive order even lays out creating payment incentives for people to join the civilian labor force, quote, develop plans and procedures for wage and salary compensation and death and disability compensation for authorized civil defense workers. And as appropriate measures for unemployment payments, re-employment rights and occupational safety and other protections and incentives for the civilian labor force during an emergency.

This is about non-government employee, like non military employees. Civilian in this term is not, I'm going to constrict, const, uh, conscript you into this service. Right. It is non military government employees. It's like, Hey, such bullshit. We should probably pay people in an emergency.

Well, no, but it's, yes, there is that, but it's also how best to use the resources that are available, right? 02:02:11,060 --> 02:02:14,300 There aren't military people during a crisis, right? It has literally nothing to do. It keep it like the executive order talks a lot about like using civilian manpower in a crisis situation, yeah, but understood correctly. It's not talking about like, let's get all the civilians to do that.

It's not like, it's not like taking, shaking down your apartment building and using you all to dig a ditch. It's not that it's, it's about non military government employees, civilians. It's kind of like, uh, women during World War II, like they were like, okay, well, we conscripted all the men to send them off to fight. So how about you guys build bombs and shit? Like, I never forced women to do that.

No, they did encourage through, uh, I mean, in an economic sense. Yeah. But there wasn't a conscription of women into like working in a factory. If you didn't want to, you didn't. This is all like, this is crazy to me. First of all, like, I, I know I already made this point, but I can't fucking get over it. The idea that Alex is just throwing this out without bringing up the idea that

JFK did this, like it's an executive order. It's not like he didn't do that. Like it's an executive order. Like he has all the control in the world over what executive orders he puts out. That is part of being the president. It has something to do with that. So unless they had a gun to his head. It wasn't to his head, but it was also way before this is nonsense, man, from a,

from a, like, like from a propaganda standpoint, this is a really, really big problem. Yeah. Because it undercuts so much of the other propaganda that he needs to put into the world because he's not talking about the federal reserve nonsense on this episode, just on what the FEMA camp stuff, he can imagine that all that stuff doesn't still exist, but it does. Yeah, it really, really does.

And so for him to believe that JFK was such a threatening president to the globalists who are in charge of the federal reserve and also putting in FEMA camps, yes, it just doesn't. They got the whole, they got the whole back. It just doesn't make sense. I wish he was a DB, I wish he was a Dragon Ball Z fan. So it could have been like, it's over 9,000, the executive order. Yeah, that'd been great.

Well, I got that. It'd be fun. He also talks about a couple other executive order boy. So executive order, 10,990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. That's been reaffirmed PDD 51 out of the John Warner defense authorization act and others executive order, 10,995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

That's now been put in by the emergency alert system. It goes on like that for quite a while. Let me ask you a question. Quite a while. Real quick. Yeah. How far into Obama's presidency are we? Do you mean when this episode was recorded?

Yeah, so we're at two and a half months, we're at two and a half months. April, beginning of April, he was inaugurated on January 20th. But again, it's not about Obama. No, no, no, I know. But essentially what he's saying is that Obama has accelerated these programs that have been in place for 50 plus years and most of them aren't, like most of them have already been undone. Yeah.

Like executive order, 10,990 that executive order didn't allow the takeover all of all the roads and shit like that. Pretty sure it did. What it did is it reestablished a council to oversee the safety of civilian federal government employees. That's why it was made moot by the issuance of executive order 11 612 in 1971 titled quote occupational safety and health programs for federal employees. Yeah, but Carter did that, so it didn't count.

No, that was. Oh, no, that was Ford. Yeah, that would have been Ford. Yeah, sorry. Apologies. Apologies, everyone. Executive order 10,995 that he brought up. Yeah.

This doesn't facilitate the takeover of the media. It's about emergency broadcast messages. Trump is forcing people to get cell phone messages like texts. Is he? Yeah, he is. No shit. Yeah. Oh boy.

I've never gotten one. Your phone was free of that, but I got that weird like Trump. Really? Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Oh, that's fucked up. Yeah. Alex had nothing to say about that.

Totally cool with it. I don't see how tornado warnings are creepy tyranny if you're fine with all that. Who gives a shit? Also, that executive order specifically says quote, nothing contained in this order shall be deemed to impair any existing authority or jurisdiction of the Federal Communications Commission. So, there's checks and balances in play even in that executive order. Yeah.

Also, that executive order was revoked on September 4th, 1970 by executive order 11556. Now, here's the bigger picture. What was Ford up to? Ford or Nixon. Nixon did a number of them. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Man, my timeline is rough right now.

Apologies. Here's the bigger picture. These executive orders these reading off. He reads off like 12 of them. It's insufferable. In order to confuse and annoy you. A little bit. Yeah.

But what it did is actually give me a window into where he was getting the information from. Oh, if he's rattling off a series of executive orders, that suggests that somebody else has already compiled these series of executive orders. You bet. That suggests that somebody has already put together a list of these executive orders suggesting what Alex is already about to say. You can look up who has compiled this kind of list of orders before and what their motivations

are. Dan, I assume you have not done that and you have done zero research at all because this is not really our MO. Alex is literally reading off a chain email. No. No. His wording about what the executive orders say is literal. It's exactly word for word.

One-to-one. One-to-one from a chain email that you can find on factcheck.org. So please, don't think that Alex has any research capabilities at all or knows anything. He's literally on this episode reading off something your grandma might have sent you. Like this is ridiculous because these executive... Forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward. The government's coming to kill you. Like this is embarrassing levels of shit.

You understand? Yeah. Alex is reading off this long list of executive orders and I googled it early on and figured out... I was trying to figure out where this is coming from because I don't believe that an executive order put out in the 70s made all roads under the... It doesn't sound right. We now control everything.

It doesn't sound right. Because if it is true, then it also seems like the government... Like why haven't they done that now? Like why has it been 40, 50 years that they've had control of everything and then been like, we'll chill on this? The snake knows when the time to strike is. How much slow playing do you need to do? That's what I'm saying.

So I looked into it and the executive orders, I saw the first three of them that he said, I'm like, oh, that doesn't say anything. Even close to what he's saying, how can that be? Right. And so I found this factcheckedout.org article about this chain email that went around demonizing Obama in the early 2009 timeframe. Wait, so is there a similar time period where we're in right now? What do you mean by that?

Oh, with this episode? So there's this chain email that went around in early 2009. What time period are we in? Early 2009. Oh, okay. All right. So this chain email has a list of executive orders and descriptions of what they are. The descriptions are not correct.

They don't do those things. But Alex literally is reading off that. You can, you can like, it's, it's crazy for me to try and describe what I mean by this because I'm not going to play that clip again or anything like that. But yeah, I was, as I was hearing him read the next like five executive orders. They're like, Oh, there's that. Oh my God. It's almost like a script.

He's just writing a chain email. He's really just reading a hundred percent. God damn it. A hundred percent. Maybe what we should have been angry at this whole time is Alex's grandma. I don't know. No, cause she, uh, she was soft killed by a vaccine. Oh, that's right.

Why do I know that? I don't know. I suppose what we should have been angry at is Alex's mom kicking his chain emails off of his knee whenever he was growing up. Anyway, Alex reads a bunch of these, uh, executive orders, which are all spurious and they're all just, he's reading a chain email. He has done no research into any of these. He hasn't read the executive orders themselves.

If he had, he would know that most of them don't say the things that he's saying they do. Uh, but then he says this. I've covered some executive orders. Now I want to get more into the FEMA camps themselves and how they're set up. Versus the strawman arguments where Beck and others point to people that have wrongly identified some installations as FEMA camps when they aren't. Stay with us. I'll, I'll keep, I'll stay with you.

So what he said, what he's saying is that like, uh, hey, I've covered these executive orders. Now we're going to get to the FEMA camp stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Stop doing that. This is all supposed to be about the FEMA camp stuff. You shouldn't be diverted at all. I don't understand.

I really continue to forget that this entire episode, every time we do it, every time we do an episode where it's like, okay, he has got to be focused about this one thing. He's trying to do this. We do an episode. It's like, wait, are you for real? This is what the episode is about. And honestly, that mirrors my experience of listening to it and, and like experiencing it because I do also like.

Wait, we're doing the FEMA camp episode, right? I understand that you want to talk about troops on the street. Right. I understand that you want to talk about gun grams and stuff like that. I get it. It's not, that's B. We're talking about a, you know, like this is this. Oh, now I'm interested. Has he ever focused on one topic?

I mean, he's trying. No, I mean, but like, have we ever, well, we're two years into this. I would say the closest was that episode, that disgraceful, uh, pedophilia episode with the sawman. Oh yeah. From like, uh, 2017. Yeah, but that one, but even then that one, it was like. Cause that, but I don't.

Pedophilia was just the way for him to ramble on about 10 million different other topics. But he was pretty on point. You stay, he stayed pretty close to the harbor in that. That's fair. The only reason that that comes to my mind so much is like, it's one of the times that it's really stuck out in my head that he did a show almost entirely about one thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He tries sometimes like, I think it was in, uh, this was in 2015. He did that, uh, episode where he pretended he was going to jump the shark and ironically argue for the ban of Muslims. Right. Right. I think he tried to do that then, but he failed because that episode was all over the place. You know what?

I think that reminds me of my, I'm changing it. Oh. Yeah. I'm changing it. Get, get out of here. Ozzy mandamus. That reminds me, that reminds me of my favorite moment of 2018 is us hearing him say, uh, or the caller being like, Oh, hey, how's he doing?

And him being like, Oh, he's dead now. Colonel Don de Grand Prix. Yeah. I'm a big fan of dead Don de Grand Prix. That's pretty great. That might have been the hardest I've laughed while like just listening to Alex's show. So I think that does deserve it. That's pretty solid.

That's pretty solid. That's up there. If we're making a, um, we're making a 2018, uh, Mount Rushmore, that's in there. That, uh, the, uh, Bill Ayers is in there. For sure. Ozzy mandamus. For sure. And what?

That's not Rushmore. Yeah. Yeah. I think we got our top four. There we go. Facebook group. Vote. So like, I just think this is really bad.

He's doing this very poorly. Yeah. Um, I feel like I've lost a little bit of my interest in talking about how badly he's doing it. Yeah. Which also interestingly mirrors my experience of listening to this episode. I came in guns blazing, pens blazing, just like, I'm taking notes on 45 minutes into him starting to talk about FEMA camps.

I was like, boo, and I'm not booing him saying things. I disagree with, I'm just booing him doing it poorly. Right. Right. It's terrible. It's, it's just really bad. And my, when I, the reason I'm deeply ashamed that I forgot that clip about the civilian inmate labor program earlier is because when he gets back from break, when he says, I've

covered these executive orders, we're going to get back into the program. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And this is the white flag of surrender. I have nothing.

Glenn Beck will not talk about this civilian inmate labor camp program, army regulation 210 dash 35. Now this grows all the time. In fact, put it up on screen guy. If you only heard that as the first time he's bringing it up, right, it seems like this is a coup de gras or something. Right. Right.

Now we could still talk about it and I could explain why it's not and all that stuff, but it's not. This is him bringing it back up. Yeah. Half an hour later, after he's already talked about it, yeah, he's bringing it up as if it's new information, right, the conversation that he's having, right. And now listen to how he talks about it guys and just roll to the pages for folks. Now this is the big piece of news.

It's not news. This is to establish setting up prison labor camps negotiations with correctional systems representing representatives to establish prison camps, governing criteria, civilian inmate labor camps, policy statement, governing provisions for operating civilian inmate prison camps on army installations, procedures for establishing a civilian inmate prison camp on army installations. He's just reading the headings, the bold print that's in there. He has no ability to have a conversation about what's in there because he hasn't read it.

If he has, he doesn't have the information available, he's not equipped to have a conversation about what is in that document, what it means. That to me is incredibly telling. This is the second time it's been brought up in terms of this whole FEMA camp debunking. It's his big news. It's not news. This is four years after this has come out and what have you, and he isn't conversant in it.

That to me is a real fucking problem. If you have a like a propagandist, like a myoenopolis or like a, like a CERN of it, just like that. Yeah. Yeah. Or even Pesovic, probably. A poor propagandist. Generally speaking, they aren't going to wade into waters that they don't know something

about. Right. They'll try and deflect away from it. Yeah. Well, the conversation is really. Oh, no. Oh, you're going to bring up that? That's not what we're really talking about.

What aboutism? Yeah. What aboutism? That's a part of it, but also. It's a slippery. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You'll never pin me down into taking an actual position on whatever it is. Except the thing I'm prepared to talk about and that thing I'm going to have X, Y or Z narrative about. Right. It's like a Republican debate. When I see this sort of behavior from Alex, when I see him have the civilian labor camp program document on camera, like, and he's just reading the headings on it with no analysis, no, um, uh, seeming awareness of what it's talking about.

Yeah. Nothing. I just see a shell. I see an angry, uh, uh, certainly loquacious, uh, shell, you know, like it's just someone who's good at fucking, uh, rambling and doing stuff, but no one has forced him to do this. No one has forced him to sit down and prove God to force him, Dan. God didn't force him to prove that FEMA camps exist, but he's fucking trying and he's failing so hard.

Yeah. His biggest piece of evidence that he brought up at the beginning of this and brings up as the big news. He doesn't even understand. He doesn't know how to have a conversation about it. And that to me is deeply depressing. So, uh, he's trying his best, uh, through this and, uh, you say that. As we get to this point in his debunking, he's just got to throw whatever spaghetti

he can right at the wall and he brings up a narrative that we have, uh, seen recently. This is a new one. So that's part of the preparation guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April. This is going on scale back now. It says in this article going door to door, asking if they could search homes looking for weapons and they practice raiding the local gun shop. This is for domestic operations. The only way you would ever have that perception is if you read the info wars article about

it. Yeah. Because that's not what happened. It was a military. It was an exercise. Yeah. Everyone was in on it. That was such a bummer.

That's weak. That was such a bummer. Like that one's a bummer to the point where to the point where you're like, fuck, man. Come on. Just leave that one out. Leave it out. And that one already got nothing. Don't add less than nothing to it.

And that one happened two weeks ago or something like that in, in the timeline in 2009. Right. Like we covered that. Like this isn't like, this shouldn't be a piece of your mythology. No. If you're talking about FEMA camps and you're going back to executive orders that Kennedy put out, right? You have a 50 year span to get your information from.

And one of the things you're going to throw out is a lie from two weeks ago. Yep. You are fucking dead in the water. This sucks. This sucks. Yeah. So bad. Yeah.

Yeah. So at this point, I'm going to say he's done his bit. Like this is it. Oh, that was it? I mean, we're not done. We have a couple more clips. Oh, okay. So I assume that you have two more clips.

I assume that Glenn Beck exploded in a fire of preemptive debunking. Now I should, I'll, I'll, I'll talk about Glenn Beck's piece a little bit. I was thinking about pulling clips from his debunking, but it's really boring. I'm really good without ever hearing him again. His version of it was he had this guy from popular mechanics on, uh, but by the way, spoiler alert, or I didn't pull this clip, but Alex is like popular mechanics. They were so wrong about nine, 11 and like Alex, you, that is not a criticism. You can levy against popular fucking McCann.

No, you can't. They were debunking. They were involved in nine 11. They were involved in Saudi Arabia owners of Saudi Arabia funds, the opposition to all right. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough.

They, uh, did some, uh, articles about the ideas about, uh, the, the sort of physics of nine 11 conspiracy theories being wrong. Now it's a great issue with that. And so the idea is that he's saying that like they were wrong about nine 11. And to that I were, I robot. How many versions of loose change have existed, Alex? Is it more than five? Because it is.

Wait. Uh, one, there's a lot of information that you threw at me. Sorry about that. One, popular mechanics ran a debunking nine 11 conspiracy theories. Well, they're into mechanics. They're into like engineering, you know, I get that the idea of like construction. These arguments that are being made about like the idea that this building couldn't fall at X, Y, or Z, you know, now, now I'm more interested to the academic, uh, that's

on me. I'm way more interested in reading popular mechanics now because I assumed that it was very close to like, uh, uh, bodybuilding magazine, but it's just, it's just for mechanics instead of somewhere in the middle. Like there's a lot of shit articles and stuff like that, but there is also, there's also some, it's a magazine, magazines have shit articles. I'm not going to bat for popular mechanics. I mean, I'm going to bat against loose change, Alex's documentary, like he produced the

documentary and like the idea that he's saying that they were wrong about nine 11. And then in the same breath, being fine with doing what he did about nine 11, when loose change had to keep redoing what their movie was because their shit kept being proven wrong. Like you understand that's what loose change did. Oh, no, no, no, I thought you meant in like an abs, I thought you meant in an abstract sense of like, Oh, you made loose change, but other people have made the same documentary. No, you mean that there were literally six different versions of because it was so wrong. Yep.

Gotcha. I did not understand that whatsoever. It kept happening. And so that's brutal Dylan Avery and, uh, Jason Burmese was involved as well. Like they kept making new versions of it because things were like, that can't stand. And so they just get new versions. I appreciate, I appreciate that impulse and Alex is fine with like, my name is very clearly associated with that in terms of the legacy of nine 11 truth.

I'm not going to say the popular mechanics is, uh, all right. I'm not going to say they're right on all fronts, but I'm going to say that I'm going to side with them over that. Yeah. So Glenn Beck has this guy from popular mechanics on and their interview is fucking boring is shit. Yeah. Alex is fairly close to correct in the predictions that he makes about like the idea that they're

going to go to these, these, these FEMA camps that aren't FEMA camps and stuff like that. These videos online that everyone says are FEMA camps. This was marked from New York's plan all along. Totally. Yeah. And to get his kids back. That's step three. That's step three for sure.

So there is like, there is that kernel of like, I think if, if I were Alex in 2009 and I were gambling man and I didn't have a mole at, uh, and Glenn, I didn't have a mark. Yeah. I would probably just bank on like, he has to do a TV show. He's not going to get into the weeds. Right. He's not going to do anything super sensational. He's only got so much time.

He doesn't have say four hours plus whatever discretionary time period that he wants in order to broadcast the reality of the situation. He's just going to respond to the most popular internet things about this. Right. What are the most popular internet things about it? They're fake videos of people going to fake FEMA camps. Of course. So I don't think that I wouldn't think that there's any threat from Glenn Beck.

There is just a nest, like a necessity to do something. No, there's only insecurity. Right. There's no, there's no threat. He could have run a, uh, after Glenn Beck's episode, he could have run a whole long list of like, here's Glenn Beck's point and then I'm going to deflect away from it and do that. I would argue that here's, here's, no, it's absolutely unnecessary, but, but in terms of pettiness, it makes way more sense than to preemptively be wrong at Glenn Beck.

He's not wrong about his predictions about what Glenn Beck is going to say. Yeah. He's wrong about all of the things he's saying. I see that's what I'm saying. He's preemptively wrong about all the things that he's saying. If I were his like advisor, if I was like his worm tongue, I would be like, don't even worry. God, we got to stop.

Don't worry about this. We got to stop giving him advice. It doesn't matter. It's even in 2009. We got to stop. We've been giving him advice for so long. I'd be like, don't even worry about this. Put on some sunglasses and be like Spud's Mackenzie, get drunk in studio and just be like, Glenn

Beck sucks. It doesn't matter. Ride it out. Hey, hold on. 2018 Dan, don't talk to 2018 Alex. Take the high ground of just being cooler than him because you can't prove your points. It's been demonstrated. Well, because they're not true.

That's a part of it. That's a problem. That's a big problem. Those two things come together to make a very serious problem for your argument. You don't. Don't try a triple Lindy if you can't land it. That's kind of the argument. I would make to Alex like, do you feel like you just invalidated cool runnings?

I feel like Alex is now the Jamaican bobsled bobsled team, Dan, and you are ruining it for everyone. Here's the problem with your metaphor. Yeah. Those people who worked hard, trained and then and had skills relevant to being a bobsled team. That's true. The reason that no one said that Jamaica could have a bobsled team was that it was

absurd to think they could not because they didn't have the goods. They could run. There were like a wheeled cart. Yeah. Yeah. That sort of thing. All of the relevant skills and the training is possible. I don't.

I think that Alex just doesn't have the goods. Like it's not that this is a zero. Like I know that I'm just like, here's the problem for me. Yeah. What's the problem for you? My problem is that like, I think that I think that we're giving the real lay of the land and we're giving the topography here and all that, but there's so much more in all the stuff I've cut out.

All the stuff is just unsubstantive, random bullshit. Yeah. I assure you of that. I just want to be clear because we have heard nothing here. Like literally we've heard nothing. And that's why I'm getting really defensive about this and not because, not on my sake. It's because Alex has done an hour and 20 minutes of talking about his defensive FEMA camps and all we've heard is him moving the goalposts, saying, you know, mentioning executive

orders that he got from a fear chain email, right, aren't real. We've heard news stories that are about different things, not about the things he's talking about. We've heard a couple of oblique references to the Iran Contra scandal. We've heard the citizen or the civilian inmate labor program, which is a different conversation you should be having. None of this is real. You're concerned.

You're concerned that the fact that you're putting together a damning indictment of the fact that he has nothing to say is going to come off as though it was you editing it in such a way that it looks like he has a hundred percent as opposed to him. I'm wrestling with that right now. Yes, yes. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I, I, I, I, again, I think that I think no, and, and if this was your, like, look, we have done. I don't, it's a new year. It's our new year's episode. We might as well say we've done two years of this shit. Yeah. This was your moment to suddenly betray all of our trust. It would be a real, real coup d'etat.

It would be an amazing fucking turn for you. If you would, it's you holding pocket aces for two years of the goddamn World Series of Bokers. Leggo. It, it would be bananas now. I'm turning into N, N, N, W, O. I know you're. Scott Hall, Kevin Nash.

There you go. People like wrestling references and I haven't done it in a while. So no, I know, I understand that. But the only reason I bring this up is for me, I honestly think that this is maybe a like an episode of our show in terms of importance, but this is a varsity level episode of Alex's show. This needs to be where he comes correct. And I don't want anyone to think that I'm misrepresenting this.

Like I, I know that I, I'm just keep coming back to this. You articulated it perfectly. It's just it, I have to stress I'm not the stuff that is not included in the clips is so boring, stupid nonsense of him just randomly, randomly referencing dumb shit that isn't specific. All this stuff like I have secret documents, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that sort of stuff. So we get to this point and Alex says this, which stinks.

And I've gone over most of this, you know, there's a lot of other pieces of news. I haven't gotten into why not in association with all of this. But I've shown you the New York Times and Wall Street Journal admitting camps. I've shown you Senate hearings. I've shown you Congress threatened with martial law. He's shown you the New York Times and Washington Post. All these things, like those, that's the references to like the KPR articles. And Brad Sherman is his only reference to Congress being threatened with martial law.

Well, also Jim Inhofe, but it's the exact same situation. And Jim Hoffa, Inhofe is a piece of shit. Sure. They don't do what they're told. I've shown you all the documents where they're getting the states ready for martial law. They've reintroduced the National Compulsory Service. They haven't under H.R. 1-444.

It says for mandatory national service. Defense Department announces civilian expeditionary workforce in Pentagon Directive 1404.10. I mean, don't just sit there and say, I'm making this up. Go to the Army's website. Go to the Pentagon. It says, management retains the authority to direct and assign into civilian employees, either voluntarily or involuntarily, or on an unexpected basis

to accomplish DOD mission. So see, they're saying they're going to create a seven million man. That was in the New York Times. The Congress said, I could say a million because Obama said as big as our army is as big as the military. That'd be a million people. They say seven million now and that they're going to draft you into this. And they'll decide no more draft boards.

If you stay here or overseas and it's 1404.10. This is just that, you know, that Department of Defense Directive 1404.10. Talked about it. He's misrepresenting what civilian means. It's non-military employees that work for the Department of Defense. They can be drafted, drafted in heavy quotes in order to essential personnel can be made to go overseas. Literally the ones who are fucking unpaid as we speak.

Or you can, oh, that's a good point. But also, but also even in 2009, oh, this one that was happening. Like if you don't want to do that, you can quit. It's a job. Yeah, this is a gig. It's a part of the Department of Defense. A gig. Yep.

You it's not forcing you into anything. It's nonsense. The idea that he's saying that, first of all, they're going to draft civilians into it is a misunderstanding of the word civilian in there. And then secondarily, are you kidding me? The fucking idea that there's they're trying to create some sort of a group of people that's seven times the army, seven times the army of our country, the biggest, the biggest, most funded army in the world.

We're going to create a seven times that for Obama's hold on. Excuse me, Colonel fuckface. I'm not going to go to Iraq. I'm not going to do your fucking dirty bidding. I quit. Okay. Oh, is that really how it works? I think it is.

Yeah. I think we just role played exactly how that was. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, I could still use a paycheck though. So like, well, can you reassign me or best to make sure you don't have to go? Because it sounds like you have a problem with the right, right? Could you put me in a different department? You are essential personnel.

So maybe you could accept a position that's at a sort of a slightly less essential. We could like, uh, you'd have to take a pay cut probably, but probably arrange that. I mean, I suppose my principles do demand that I move departments. Is that cool? I guess so. Oh, okay. So what about this?

Alex Jones character? Is he fucking with me? He's not on the level. Okay. Well, then in that case, can I go back to my old job? Yeah, sure. I think that's how it would go. All right.

We've had a great time. I'm not an improv guy and that I don't think you need to. I think that was a literal one to one, but I also think I think what's really interesting about that last clip is that you can tell at the beginning of it, at least that Alex thinks he's proved his point. Like he really, right, right. I have done it. I've made this clear.

I've shown you all this stuff and he hasn't shown anybody anything. His pride in how spectacularly wrong he has been is kind of admirable in a certain sense. It's deeply fucked up because of how bad all of this stuff is. Yeah. Like how flimsy all of it is and how nothing like. Yeah. Flimsy suggests that there is something to flim.

He, he has brought nothing. So here's the last clip and Alex makes his closing remarks. And I think that this is a really interesting clip and it's rare that I will say Mike down for a last clip, but I need to hear all of this because what it does is it ties together why we were talking about that murder at the beginning of the episode and how that relates to Alex Jones talking about the FEMA camp stuff. You are so good at bringing the hammer.

You can read the civilian inmate labor camp program document army regulation 210-35. I mean, come on, don't be lazy. Google it right now. You'll be at army dot mill. I did that. I mean, you want to see the facts go right ahead. There it is.

I mean, all I'm doing is researching this all day long. And what do I get? I get the raw story and a bunch of other magazines and newspapers saying I'm crazy. It says that the cop killer got his ideas from the off the wall Alex Jones prison planet saying the US troops in homeland to engage in crowd control. And they just say I'm making it up when I'm go I'm linked to the army times in Washington post. I mean, I'm not bad here.

I mean, yeah, it is scary. This is going to cost clashes between the people in the government. It's not my fault. It's your fault. Silver is mankind's oldest natural antibiotic. I left that in there for fun there at the end, but it's not my fault. It's your fault is what it all comes down to. That is what he's trying to express.

Even when he's doing this debunking of Glenn Beck's supposed debunking of the FEMA camps, it's still just on some level a defensive like I don't want to feel bad. I did not expect you to drop that particular hammer. I didn't expect it to happen. You know what? Wait, so. So what just happened was this entire rambling nonsense, non debunking of somebody else's non debunking show, right, was really about him justifying himself not

being the cause of the murder of three cops. I mean, I don't think it was meant to be. But because it's psychology, that is how it ends. Yeah. Like that to me was like much more revealing than anything he said in the actual debunking. Yeah, like that to me is like, that's how you're and going out with wipe out is. Yeah, he might as well have been like, Hey, those three cops, they wiped out. It turns out that like maybe the board ops have been trolling him for a lot

longer than we realized because like that's hilarious. I want to know those guys because that's a wipeout. They, I imagine that there have been like 15 different guys who have worked the board and every time he's like, OK, well, I'm going to let you train the next guy. I know you resigned. Stay on for another couple of weeks. Train the next guy and the entire two weeks is them being like, OK, so here's how you fuck with Alex using the music drops.

All right. When he's getting what you're going to do. OK, this one is wack do. Blockwrecking beats go. When he's something pervy and just pausing a lot, block rocking beats. Yeah, for sure. Making an argument that he's failing in throw in wipe out. Everyone listening will.

There's like a there's like a there's like a flow chart. There's got it. There's a flow chart. So we're done with the clips and we're done with his like whatever it is that he does. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to say about this. Like, right. This is like.

I hate to use Alex's own cosmology, but this is Colonel Travis at the Alamo. Like the like he had he cloistered himself into a bubble somehow less competent. Yeah, but he cloistered himself into a bubble where he had to prove like his points. Yeah, he did not. He did not the only evidence that he was able to provide. I am very able to debunk all of it. Yeah, it's all nonsense. It's all shit or all misdirections, you know, like, right?

The idea of the civilian labor inmate program that that is real. And that's a conversation we all should fucking have. But the way he's having that conversation is bullshit. And it's only in service of trying to prop up his bullshit. He's not having the right conversation about that. So even the things that are true and are real are misused. Yeah. And so I come to the end of this and I'm like, fail, you failed.

You failed, you failed a hundred percent. Yeah. And when you dismount, it's the last thing you say. After this, he rambles like for a break and then has Max Kaiser. Yeah, who gives a shit? Yeah, but this is the end of the like the like FEMA camp stuff. And his parting shot is it's not my fault. It's your fault.

Yeah. That sort of thing implies to me that I don't think that I don't think that that's where it comes from because he was putting this off. He was trying to do this for at least a month. Yeah. Like trying to do the like, I'm going to debunk Glenn Bess debunking. Right, right, right. He's been putting that off, but I wanted him to come fucking correct

because I wanted a good gladiator to meet me in the field of battle. Right, of course. I wanted, I love this podcast. You wanted to test yourself against the best. Exactly. Yeah. I love you and I love this podcast and I love what we do. I wanted this episode to be Alex Jones knows to the grindstone, right?

Head to the stars. He is just there working his ass off, trying to make sure that you know that he has never been lying about FEMA camps and it's all fucking true. Right. And from the jump, as soon as he started talking about it, it's like, oh, you don't know the difference between the National Security Council and the Department of National Security. Yes.

That's a problem. Yes. And then we go from there and every single other piece is just misrepresentations and lies. Like I wanted, even if he got off to that hiccup, even if you just like, okay, yeah, but that kind of is controlled by the National Security Council, even if he had just that mistake, I would have forgiven it. If the other things he was saying were like some sort of proof of his

conspiracy, right, right. They weren't. It started bad. It meddled bad and it finished bad. This is like a bad comedy show that you go to. I was sitting there like, no, no, no, you, you wanted fucking Black Panther where Michael B Jordan has a goddamn point, man. I was, you know what?

He's wrong. That's not the right way to do things, but I'll be goddamned if I didn't watch Black Panther and say, yeah, you don't, I get why you're wrong, but I'm kind of on your team. I don't know. You know, like that's what you wanted Alex to have. You wanted him to be the anti-hero that you rooted for because his motivations were built inside of this place of like, yeah, I get it.

And your issues are real. And we can have a more robust conversation about that other than he's wrong about this, he's wrong about this is wrong. And it was so easy to show that so many of those things are wrong. The only thing that like, I think really, if we look back in this entire episode, I think the only thing that was like marginally interesting that he brought up was the idea of governors having power over the guard, which I think is a really weirdly specific thing for us to be like, I have conflicting

opinions about this whole FEMA camp is the devil episode for us to be like, well, the separation of powers is kind of, well, because like stuff like the civilian labor camps, I was like, yeah, we're a hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, fuck yourself. Yeah, but slavery is the remnants of slavery. There's slavery guys. Fuck off. There's really slavery.

Yeah. The only thing that's interesting at all is stuff like that. And it's like, Alex, you're on the wrong side of this. You're not even really talking about it in any meaningful way. What the fuck are we doing? Like it's, it's crazy to me. It's crazy. And I know I understand this.

I recognize this as I'm saying it. And I know that everyone listening will recognize this. It's deeply, deeply fucked up for me to be so disappointed in him. Like it's so fucked up. I've been listening to him for years. I know. I don't know why I keep thinking it's going to show up. Like I don't know why it's crazy.

It's crazy that I still hold all hope. It's the end of the real thing. It is. Oh, my God, it is. It's that it. There's, oh, my God, it is. There's some part of me that thinks there's like something he's going to. Yeah.

Tomorrow he's going to get it right. Going to turn that corner. Yeah, and he's not. Alex is a fucking idiot and he is a racist. And yeah, and like just wrong, like just factually wrong. Right. And that's never going to change. I think it's that he so often talks about topics that we're like, oh, if you

would just make, if you would, and it's because it's not far. It's not far from his narrative. It's not, it's, it's like, if you just, if you would just turn it from like this thing to like not even a hundred and eight degrees to 10 degrees in the right direction, all of a sudden, yeah, everyone's having a conversation about slavery, which is what we still allow. Yep. You know, if you had just done 10 degrees, it's not a lot.

It's not a huge difference. It's very close. But instead you're like, oh, I'm going to go back to white identity. No, come on, man. Safe. It's a safe hardware for me. No, just a little bit. So Jordan, I'm very glad that this is our last episode of the year.

And I'd like to say thank you to everyone who has listened to our podcast over this year. This year has been amazing. This year has like, if we look at, if we look at the end of 2018, as opposed to where we were at the end of 2017, it's completely nuts. There's a lot of people who are on board a year ago who are still there and we love you, we appreciate you so much. But if you jump ship, totally get it.

Totally. But there's been so much growth, like it's crazy and I can't say how much I appreciate how much everyone is awesome. They're like, it's nuts to me that people have warmed to us the way they have because our show is something that is so fucking stupid. The idea that you and I sit around and talk about Alex Jones and I appreciate that so very much. It really does mean the world.

I can't, I can't end this year without saying from the bottom of my fucking heart, you all are so amazing. Um, you make this all worthwhile because if I were sitting around just researching Alex Jones and finding out funny ways to talk about him, that would be fucking deeply depressing, which you would do without this. Probably what you would do without this show as evidenced by the first three months of our show where almost nobody was listening. If you, if you had, if we had never met, you would still be doing freezing point,

but it would just be about Alex Jones. You would be gone probably if things hadn't gone pretty well, you would be gone and I would be talking to Cthulhu about, come on man. Come on. So I, I appreciate it so much. And you do too. This is a, this is a love fest in some way here at the end, but I think it's important.

I think it's meaningful. We're ending the year 2019 is going to be an amazing year for all of us. I think so. Thank you to everyone. Thank you for listening. Thank you for changing my life in a very specific way. And we'll see your life has been changed in a specific way. Yeah.

No, no, no, I have gout because I keep playing. Oh, I thought it was because I keep, no, no, no, no, you gave me gout. You gave me gout, Dan. Well, that's unfortunate because of Alex Jones. I have gout. Well, I should also say that I have the vapors. What is gout? Also, I am hanging out with the whispers gouts lately too much uric acid.

I don't know. Here's the deal. Every policy wonks everyone out there, friends, Romans, countrymen. We will be back next episode. But until then, I will say, Jordan, we have a website. Do we? Yep. What is it?

Knowledge five.com. That's correct. All right. Okay. Hold on. So we have a website. Yep. Uh, of which you are going to release the wiki, which is a big part of news that

you are not fucking getting into. Honestly, by the releasing a goddamn wiki of all the shit that we have covered for the most part, if people will ever be done. But the point being, Dan, you have accomplished something that is fucking incredible and you refuse to take credit for it. So I will give it to you here. But thank you. No, it'll never be done.

I haven't accomplished it yet. But I'm dude, life is kernels of accomplishment, but life isn't done. And if you're listening to this as this comes out, it should be live on knowledge fight tomorrow. Right. So on the new year, in honor of that wiki, uh, if you want to find us on Twitter, oh, fuck yourself, go fuck yourself. Go to knowledge fight.com.

If you want to find us on Facebook, I'll see you in hell because you need to go to knowledge fight.com. And you know who has never killed a guy? I don't know. Dan, that's true. I'd never killed anybody. You know, who probably has technically killed. Don't you dare tell me you've killed a man one time.

One time I got really high with a guy. Oh my God. I, uh, I don't know what the fuck I was doing. I don't know why you're telling the story. So I got. I don't know why. Like when I was like 18, 19, that range, like, I don't know why, but I would just hang out with anybody waiting.

Like I was with hobos very people like I just would hang out with them. I didn't give a shit. I liked people and I liked having conversations with people that ended up being weird. I was very able to deal with it and I fucking loved it. I don't know how this happened. I was in a house. I didn't know where I was.

I didn't know where I was. I got really drunk. I ended up in a house. Who knows? I'm smoking a blunt with a guy and he starts telling me about how he accidentally killed a guy, like this guy committed manslaughter. This guy was trying to kill him and he ended up having to stab him at self defense. It was terrifying.

Not technically manslaughter. I understand that. No, I think, I think it was. I'm not, see now you're adding more ports to the more parts of the story. I don't want to get into the detail nuances of it. He killed a guy in self defense. Yeah. He didn't tell me that until like three hits into the blunt.

So we're already pretty like we're, we're, yeah, you're fucked up and I'm drunk coming into it. Yeah, yeah, you're solidly in the back. I had to, I had to kill a guy. What, what turned into a terrible night of my life talking to this guy, but like what the experience was of watching a person die. And he was like, also I have a radio show in Austin. No, because this guy was really fucked up about it.

It really affected. Oh, it hurt him. It really deeply affected him. Yeah. Like it fucking should. If you're a human goddamn beat. And he only did it because it was murder life or death, life or death. I don't judge him at all, uh, necessarily because the story that he told me made

entire sense, right. And he was deeply struggling with the fact that he accidentally killed a guy. Right. Right. One guy who doesn't care about the fact that he technically accidentally killed a guy. Damn it. That is a good transition.

Is Alex Jones. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a person in color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.