Knowledge Fight - #248: January 2, 2019

Episode Date: January 4, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan see how Alex Jones is doing in the new year. It turns out that his resolution was not "stop being really weird about Muslims." Beyond that, Alex has decided to hitch his wagon to a really dumb team of cyber criminals.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. And, indeed, we are Dan. Hi, Jordan. Dan! Yes, sir. Lionel! Lionel! Lionel! Lionel! Lionel! Lionel! Lionel! Lionel!

Everyone, uh, lot of, lot of positive feedback on the Lionel theme song. On last episode, we might have peaked already in 2019 with the... With my, with my dying breath after all memories have gone, I will say, as my last words. Lionel! Lionel! Lionel! Lionel! Did not expect that sort of response from people, but I appreciate it. Everyone loved it. You know what, what amazed me is I hadn't already heard that song, right? Yeah. Like, it seems like that would have gone viral 20 years ago. I don't know. Not 20 years ago. Not with Lionel behind it.

Right. No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. Like, five years ago, some Twitter, somebody would have like picked up on it and it would have just spread like fire. To be fair, I have no evidence it hasn't in some corner of the internet, but who knows. Fair point. It hasn't in our corner. Yeah, certainly. It is, it is now our marching theme, I guess. I don't know. But this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones and his associates theme songs. I only know what you tell me and sing them till I die. So, Jordan, today we got an interesting episode to go over. We have a modern day adventure here.

We're going to be going over January 2nd, 2019. All right. It's time for the secret of 2019. I believe Alex does tell a secret at the end of this episode that might plague his year. But we'll get to that when we get to it. Last we checked in in the present day, we covered Christmas Eve and we found Alex talking shit, saying that he told Roger Stone to get in touch with Julian Assange and then drunkenly throwing a hatchet around his video. Right, right, right. So that's singing Christmas songs. That's the energy he ended 2018 on, kind of. And now we'll see where he's at at the beginning

of 2019. But before we get to that, I'd like to take a moment to thank some folks who've signed up with the show and become policy wants. So first of all, I'd like to say Matthew, thank you so much. You are now a policy wank. I'm a policy wank. Thank you, Liv. Thank you very much Matthew. Second, I'd like to say thank you to Sven. You are now a policy wank. I'm a policy wank, thank you, Sven. Thank you very muchavyon. Next, I'd like to say thank you to Paul. You're now a policy wank. I'm a policy wank. Thank you Paul. Thanks Paul. Now, Patrick, thank you so much. You are now a policy wank. I'm a policy wank. Thank you Patrick. Thank you very much Patrick.

Next, Courtney. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wank. I'm a policy wank. Thank you very much Courtney. Finally, what's up? I was just wondering how many, I kind of want us to suddenly this entire episode is us just catching up with all the wanks. We have a backlog and I feel bad. We need to get through some of it and I know everyone's itching for the longer drop. I understand it's sort of tradition but sometimes we need to make our way through these people who we appreciate very much who donate on the standard level. Of course. I'm sorry you don't get to hear Alex say he doesn't want to hate black people. I'm sorry we don't get to hear him say that he renounces Jesus Christ. Pre-emptive defensiveness. That's the way it goes sometimes. Finally, I'd like to say

thank you to Ann Jeanette. You are now a policy wank. I'm a policy wank. Thank you. Thank you very much. I hope Sven is from Sweden and then we got Sonya and Sven and we can get them together and they can aid now. Don't don't ship our listeners. But listen, I've gotten actually a number of messages from other people from Sweden. So I know that even if Sven is an American or from some other country, we don't we don't need him to be Swedish to enlarge our Swedish contingency. I don't know what that means. To enlarge our Swedish contingency. We need to grow our Swedish ranks. All right. Sven, Sonya, get on making babies. We need to grow their Swedish contingency. Hey, now stop it. Stop trying to fantasy book the private lives of our listeners. All right. All

right. Also, if you are from Sweden, I'd like to know about Swedish fish. Are they really Swedish? Also, you can just Google that. I don't want to. If you would like to support the show and what we do and become a policy wank, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com. Click that support the show button. It's all great. Absolutely. Some people may think that $2 a month or something like that isn't really a big deal. But it is. Absolutely. It feels like not a big deal a lot of the time for people who are the people donating that because maybe it's not a big deal for them. Right. But when there are a lot of people come together and donate a little bit, it makes a massive difference. And we appreciate it so much. It's it's huge. I can live. So that's

great. As we were talking about before the show, you have a introductory entry level job now. And you only put in 70 to 80 hours of work. Yeah. The hours are still a bit of a mess, but we're close to a basic entry level salary. So that's kind of nice. And it's mind blowing. And I appreciate it. Thank you all so very much. So Jordan, today, this episode is fucked up, goes all over the place, but here is an out of context drop from today's show. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. What? Do you want to? I think he does. Is that saying we need to get into the info or is heroin gang? We need to start selling H. Yeah. That would be a harsh turn for his

pill business to take. Not too dissimilar probably. Fair. So today is, like I said, January 2nd, 2009. That's the Wednesday. 2019. Oh, sorry. Yeah. I'm stuck back in our investigation. Keep writing 2009 on my chest. I'm close to that just because of how much time I spent listening to his shit from 2009. But I listened to the first because I thought like, let's get this real new year's energy going for sure. And it is a boring bullshit deconstruction of how afraid he is of China and of the 5G wireless technology. Okay. And I like, I, we just did an episode where I went line by line taking apart his ideas about the FEMA camps. I'm like, I want to do that about this 5G stuff, but I know he's going to do it again and we can do it then. I'm too tired. We don't

want to do it. We got tired. I don't want to exhaust the listeners too. So I get it. Huawei, I understand. Sure. I checked in on the second and I found a more interesting Alex who's jumping all over the place, hitting a lot of topics. And here's where we're going to start. And it's about how Muslims out of control. Hundreds of cars per sitting. It has been, it has been quite the Islamic uprising that it's just done as an exercise of dominance over the slaves. And so that is going to be coming up. The slaves in this, if you're missing out on the context, the slaves are white people. Oh, okay. If you're, if you're missing the sort of message he's trying to send, the slaves

are the whites, the patriots, the nationalists, the people of the west. Right. So this is crazy. And I already really need to tell him to hold the breaks for a little bit. Oh yeah? Because Alex is starting the year claiming that Muslims are terrorizing everyone. But there's a few things that he's intentionally forgetting to cover. What's that? Whether it's in his introduction or for the rest of the show. The rise of white nationalist violence? Well, for one in Germany, a 50 year old man was arrested after he drove his car through a group of immigrants shortly after midnight on New Years. And what is strongly suspected to be a far right anti-immigrant attack,

included in the list of those injured by his attack were a four year old boy and a 10 year old girl. Though the man was a Turkish descent, he was a German citizen and he was quoted as making several racist comments while being arrested from an article in the independent quote. The man had a clear intention to kill foreigners, Interior Minister for the state, North Rhine Westphalia, Herbert Rell told German Press Agency, DPA. That was a clear act of racism and xenophobia. But there was another car attack on New Years Eve. This one in Tokyo. 21 year old Katsuhiro Kasekabe drove his car through the narrow street leading to, I forgot to write down the name of the shrine. It's one of those really important shrines in

Tokyo. There are a lot. Yeah. He injured nine people. This wasn't active terrorism, but it wasn't Muslim. So Alex is not too concerned about it. Kusakabe declared that he had committed this act to protest the death penalty and he refused to even defend his actions, essentially admitting that he knew he had done something horribly wrong in the name of protesting something he thought was way worse. That's kind of interesting. It's a little bit interesting. I mean, it's kind of ironic. It merits covering very, very least when you're going to go on this long jag about car attacks and Muslim stabbing people and stuff like that. That seems like this might be something relevant to fold into the conversation, whether it be this German guy who went on an attack

specifically trying to kill immigrants, or if it's this guy who's protesting the death penalty in Japan, except the problem is that he wasn't a political terrorist protesting the death penalty. In general, he was protesting the death penalty as it was specifically applied to members of the Aum cult who were executed in July for their actions on March 20th, 1995. They were a doomsday cult who believed that they were the only people who were going to survive an impending global war. Oh, I remember that. And they were going to build a utopia called Shambala after everybody else was killed by each other. But they weren't this kind of like let's wait and let the war happen kind of cult. They

were a let's also go kill people and see if we can help this war start kind of cult. In 1990, they fielded a number of candidates for office but lost, which led them to blame a conspiracy by the Freemasons and Jews for their failure. In response, they began trying to harvest botulism toxin in order to prepare a chemical attack, which they intended to unleash on US army bases in Japan to trigger a war between Japan and the United States. This was unsuccessful because they did a really shitty job of harvesting the botulism. Their leader, Shoku Asahara, was in a state of disorientation or deterioration at this point. He began to make his doomsday prophecies more specific and he published a book called Declaring Myself the Christ.

Interestingly, he began to outline who exactly the enemy was and though he'd previously listed Freemasons and Jews, now he was warning of a conspiracy between those groups and the Dutch and British royal families, which sounds weirdly familiar to me. I don't know why. I can't think of why, but it seems I feel like we've touched on this at least once and maybe once. This is a racist thought that I'm having. I feel like you can't be anti-Semitic if you're Japanese. I feel like that's not allowed. I feel like you're on the wrong side of this. I don't like that thought. I know, it's a weirdly racist thought. They attempted a number of chemical and biological attacks in the intervening years, two of which were with anthrax.

Luckily, the strains of anthrax they required were not ones that hurt people, so it was more or less the equivalent of stink bombs. They were responsible for at least 10 confirmed chemical weapons attacks between late 1993 and May 1995, but the one that got them in the most trouble was the one on March 20th, 1995. At the peak of morning rush hour, five members of the cult released sarin gas in the Tokyo Subways, killing 12 people and severely injuring 50 more, some of whom died later due to complications from the attack. Surveys of the survivors found that many of them still suffer from PTSD and 20% feel unsafe on public transit. 47 survivors have been certified as disabled due to the attack. The reason I lay all this out is because there's a

bigger world out there that Alex wants no part in touching. The attack in Germany was clearly an anti-immigrant attack that falls directly in line with Alex's rhetoric. The attack in Japan was carried out by a young man who was protesting the death sentences of members of a doomsday cult that carried many of the same beliefs and enemies as Alex does. He can't wrestle with these ideas without pointing out substantial problems with his own message and how he chooses to deliver it, so instead he aggressively stirs up hatred and fear of the vague Muslim attacks he sees happening everywhere. It's very sad. That is fascinating though, and I realize I'm way wrong because in the 60s, Yukio Mishima, the incredible novelist, he led a cult to the Prime Minister's house broken

with samurai swords and tried to install the emperor back as supreme leader in order to get rid of all of the foreigners who would ever come to Japan. So yeah, fair enough, this is kind of a later version of that. I guess to some extent, yeah. So I mean, my point here is that Alex is going to spend a good amount of time trying to stir up fear about Muslims throwing fireworks and stuff like that when in reality, on New Year's Eve, we have a lot more to talk about if you want to look at like other events that have happened around the world that maybe are as important, more important. I don't know. I'm just saying, you're not looking at the big picture, Alex, you're looking at your narrative. Your editorial position is anti-Muslim, and therefore the only

stories that you see fit to cover are these ones that you can integrate into that editorial position. Right. And I think it's lame. And when I first heard that, I was like, well, at least I'll get to, you know, learn a little bit more about this Japanese car attack and tell people about it. But at the same time, I was like, cool, but you know, I was like, this is probably going to be a pretty disappointing episode. I was like, I kind of see where we're going. And he didn't disappoint as he starts to talk a little bit more about events in the New Year. We also have the good news. We have the new Brazilian president finally being sworn in. That's not good enough. Already making good on many of his promises out of the gates.

That's not good enough. Linking up with Trump and Putin and others, but they will not allow in public schools, the pedophile agenda of sexualizing children that they're putting in place their own second amendment and doing a lot of other really exciting things like pulling out of the global carbon tax. Whoopty shit. The idea of like the getting their own second amendment and stuff like that, that's just concessions to arms industries and stuff like that. So I mean, that part, ones that are not centered in Brazil to be very clear. No, but do have links to Bolsonaro. Exactly. So if I played Alex's game, I might just refer to someone, someone to this NBC news

headline quote, Brazil's Bolsonaro targets minorities on first day in office. But even that isn't enough to tell the full story. Jared Bolsonaro is the bit of he's a bit of a fascist monster. No. And as he took office, he showed that to the world and anyone paying attention should be incredibly worried. Because Bolsonaro is very close with the oligarchs in the agribusiness world who are strongly against the idea of protecting land for indigenous populations. He transferred the responsibilities involving delineating what lands are protected from the justice ministry to the agriculture ministry, headed by someone who has a clear track record of opposing native communities arguments on the subject. Instead of, you know, protecting these

places, Bolsonaro is moving forward with a program that is in the interest of enriching the agribusiness people while forcefully integrating the indigenous Quilombolas and the native Brazilians into his version of a Brazilian society in quotes. If this were being done to, I don't know, the Amish, Alex would absolutely flip out. And I don't need to just predict that he would. I've heard him constantly go on about how FDA regulations on Amish sold cheese are an attack on their sovereignty. This is also a direct, you know, all this stuff is also a direct attack on environmentalism, but regardless of who's getting hurt, it's being done to help big business and will likely lead to the genocide of uncontacted tribes in the Amazon.

Yeah, isn't that some so many of them are literally uncontacted. They're a bunch. We're not supposed like we have a rule of like, don't fuck with these people like the one asshole who got shot with arrows. Like I'm not going to say murdered like fuck you. Like that's on you. That was a stand your ground situation as the right would like to call it. Right. But like even beyond all that, Bolsonaro also removed the LGBT community from the list of concerns and responsibilities of the human rights ministry, a sign of really bad things to come.

The new human rights minister is an evangelical preacher named Demaris Alves, who believes quote the Brazilian family is being threatened by diversity policies. Oh my fucking God, I hate these people. Crackdowns on journalists are happening and there's so much more here that is critically dangerous. We're going to watch the human rights disaster play out right in front of our eyes and Alex is going to delight in it because behind the human suffering and terror, the stock market went up in Brazil when Bolsonaro came in. The widely popular opponent Bolsonaro had jailed was a socialist and Bolsonaro and

Trump seemed like friends. And those three things are really all Alex needs in order to be like this guy is great because Alex, much like Jair Bolsonaro, is a monster. These people are terrible people. This is a really, really, really important track for Brazil to take because just, just what four years ago, the right wing installed to mayor, who was a right wing lunatic, who was barred from fucking running for the office that he was given. The Supreme Court just is the Supreme Court that they have in Brazil is insanely hard right. And after all of that, they elected a fucking out and out fascist.

This took four years. So in case anybody was worried that America is never going to descend into fascism, let's let's hold a pump the brakes there. All of this supported by the oligarchs who control most of the fucking media. And make no mistake supported by us. Absolutely. Like there's US backing involved too. It's just all a complete mess.

It is indicative of things you need to look out for, things to keep an eye on because it's going to get worse and there's going to be humanitarian organizations that need support in order to mitigate the damage that's going to be caused to these communities, whether it be the LGBT folk in Brazil, whether it be these indigenous communities that he's seeking to basically destroy by way of claiming that they should integrate into society. Yep. Like all that stuff. It's all.

Well, we've never seen a group of people claim that natives need to assimilate into society, society leading ultimately to a massive genocide of them. No. That's crazy. We don't have tons of case studies. Where would we have the interest to fuck? Yeah. So Alex is not off to a great start.

I feel like he's revealing himself to not be a good analyst of the news, not a good compiler of the news. Just pretty bad at this. Just a fascist. And now in this next clip, he has some complaints about South Park, I think. And then he teases some big news. South Park's some pretty good comedy when they get down to brass tax and they would tackle anything.

You know, they weren't scared of the Scientologists, you name it. But boy, have they been doing stuff on the modern political correctness a little bit. But I think they had multiple seasons dedicated to it. Yes, entirely. But they really should be tackling it more. But there's all of this intimidation. Now, when we come back, I've got something really big, something really, really big. That I'm going to tell you about.

Oh, and it's ominous storm clouds. We'll break it down when we come back in just 60 seconds. I'm Alex Jones news wars.com. Tomorrow's news today. So that is ominous as hell. Yeah, that's very ominous. And I'm going to be a little bit like Alex and say, I'm not going to tell you at all what he's talking about.

But I will say this. He used the term storm intentionally. Because this is trying to appeal to QAnon folks. Secondly, I thought it was to appeal to Godspeed you Black Emperor fans. No, nor X-Men fans. No, okay, fair enough. This is going to culminate in Alex saying something that I do believe could have legal consequences. I think that he might be that this is on par with him telling on air that he told Roger

to contact us on. Yeah, like this is like Alex is getting real sloppy. Some of the stuff he ends up saying about this big story that he's got. I'm like, Oh, no, Alex. Oh, no, I think he kind of wants to go to jail at this point, though, right? He wants to go to jail or he wants to die because where he's at right now, all he's got left is martyrdom. I think he wants to get tried for something and win on free speech grounds or something

like that. I think he wants to insinuate himself deeply enough into something that's a huge crime, but fall back on like I was just saying things. I wasn't involved in it or something like that. I think he wants to do that so he can get caught up in the courts and like have his opportunity to grandstand and stuff like that. Right, right. He knows he knows the track he's on now leads to diminishing returns.

Of course. And his show just falling apart. Yeah, I don't know. He's going to go broke. I don't know, though. I think there is a chance that he really thinks like I'm not going to give too much way, but I think that what he's saying at the end of the show, he might actually believe is true.

Oh, it's not. That's not good. It's not. But he might actually believe the stuff he's saying. We'll get to it. All right. We can't get too into this without the actual content. So we'll get back to this in a minute.

00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:34,800 But just hold those thoughts in your head. So around Christmas time, Donald Trump made his first visit to the troops. Oh, yeah. If you'll recall. Oh, God. Whenever do. He just visited the troops in Iraq without telling anybody.

In Iraq for security concerns or something. You can't just. No, that's bad. That's bad. You don't like it when people just don't call and show up at your house. I don't like that, especially not if they're a president and I am a sovereign country. It's weird. There should be some diplomacy there.

Otherwise, it's essentially saying we own your country a little bit. But that's not the concern that Alex wants to push back on because I think there are a number of stories in the media about another problem with Trump's visit. And we'll get to those after Alex misunderstands those criticisms. It is mind blowing when I look at CNN or MSNBC or read the New York Times or any of it. You can. That it's total inversion of reality. And so often I don't even respond to it on air anymore because it's so brazen.

It's so ridiculous. It's so insane. We all remember and you can pull the photos of Obama going into war zones. And some of the troops coming up and wanting him to sign his autograph. But the left spun it like it violated military code and they were all going to go to jail and people tried to find who the soldiers were and indeed get them in trouble. I call it the chicken SH. You know what T dimension?

That's the term I'm coined. How do you get so low that you're trying to figure out the names of Marines and Army soldiers? Kind of sounds like stuff you and your guys do all the time. But we have a way with words. The chicken SH you know T dimension. I mean, even if you say chicken shit dimension, that's still not a. It still doesn't make any sense. It's not a great gift of gab type.

You know, like I came up with that fucking. I'm Gore Vidal in this bitch. So do we do we all live in the chicken shit? You and I certainly do according to Alex. Yes, I'm glad they moved on from Cuck. That's nice. It's good to know that they're going through the dictionary of C words to try and be dicks about. I think they just realized we have too much fun saying it.

A lot of people on the left kind of enjoy it. It is kind of fun. So it's soy boy didn't quite work out either. So why? Because it's terrible. Chicken shit dimension. How's chicken shit dimension going to go so far? Hasn't taken off.

Hasn't taken off. It's not viral. Now the concern here is specifically that when Trump went over and visited these troops in Iraq, his people put out pictures and video of him taking pictures with soldiers and that sort of thing. And some of the soldiers who were captured in those pictures were members of like seal teams that you aren't supposed to know where they are. No, come on. You know where they are there with the president.

Well, you're not always with you're not supposed to know they're in Iraq. Oh, that's probably bad. Is their deployment is very secret in terms of where they are because they're very specialized teams and that sort of thing. So the issue isn't so much with like he put out pictures of himself with the troops or no one really cares about that. In the past, presidents would have listened to their advisors and been careful enough not to be on camera. Or if you are keep it private, keep it a private picture for that soldiers and like that. Don't release pictures of people who are in secret teams that then give people awareness of their whereabouts.

Bullshit. You remember whenever Obama leaked that picture with him and Hillary Clinton and they were in the situation room watching seal team six kill Osama bin Laden? Yeah. Yeah, they just revealed where seal team six was, buddy. In the situation room. Yes, you got it. That one picture shows you that it was seal team six.

Remember that time Obama put out that video of him and Hillary peeing on Benghazi? I don't know. I remember him releasing that video of him peeing on the whaling wall. That did not go over well. This is all just shit. Alex is intentionally misunderstanding why people were concerned about this. And I don't know. I'm not a military guy, so I don't really fully understand how big of an infraction this is.

But I read stuff on it enough to know that like it is. This is a breach of protocol for sure. For sure. But I don't understand why the people there didn't stop him. You know, like or I don't know. I don't know who's to blame, but someone's to blame. In terms of things about Trump, I don't really care about this one particularly. And not because I don't think it could be severe, but because I don't fully understand it.

Right. If I fully understood it, then I could talk about it more. I just err on the side of defaulting to people who know what they're talking about. Well, the simpler one is the first thing he started with. A lot of soldiers were clamoring for Obama's autograph. Totally fine. However, campaign materials, not good. Yeah, that is a bad thing.

Right. That's against the rules. It was gauche though of Obama to bring like Wheaties boxes with himself on them to autograph. That's a little bit tacky. He did have his rookie cards, fake rookie cards for him to sign. Come on, man. You didn't play pro ball. Come on.

That first coin bullshit. So, you know, that's not great, but it's just Alex misrepresenting stuff. You know, it's it's still kind of like we're getting into the show. He's still not coming with with too much behind him. And I don't want to denigrate the fantastic soldier. Go fuck off. I just wonder, Dan, those soldiers were they more excited to get a picture with Trump or with Obama? I don't really care.

That's a zero to me. I understand what you're saying, but I don't really care. It's too much parsing, you know, like it's just and like there's too many superfluous issues. I know you could you could go not saying you but go down the road of like, well, who cares about protecting these people who's like sure it's a specialized job, but it's to kill people. Right.

Or something like that. And like, yeah, but I just don't care. Right. That's not that. Oh, no. I can't have that conversation. My point is that it's really important that everybody be aware and even the FBI released a report on this, a large amount of military and police personnel are white nationalists out and

out. There is an overlap. There's a big overlap. That is true. So, um, speaking of the military, which Alex wasn't, we have since, uh, uh, in the he gets into complaining about Mitt Romney because I'm fine with that. Yeah. This is go for it.

Let them fight. Yeah. 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,000 Yeah. You guys have fun. Mitt Romney had some words about, uh, Trump, uh, uh, withdrawing from Afghanistan. Right. And, uh, lazy, shitty, ineffectual, stupid words to make him look like he's a valuable

critic of the president while at the same time supporting literally every fucking thing he does. Mitt Romney, you can go put your own fucking face on top of that shitty car instead of your dog. Let him drive it. You fucking garbage human being. Yes. You continue to affect your criticism, but Alex still is triggered by it because daddy

Trump is being criticized. Of course. And so he gets into talking about Afghanistan a little bit. And I think that he says some things that I take, I take some strong issues with. Okay. China is already taking out up to $44 billion a year. $44 billion a year. You can look it up of resources out of Afghanistan.

Guess how much lithium for, for batteries. Guess how much cadmium? Guess how much of these hundreds of rare earth minerals that China controls 98% of globally because we don't enter that market. So we basically stabilize the railways and stabilize the highways and stabilize it for the chai comms, just like we always do. That's globalism. And Trump knows that.

The minute we pull out of there, the Taliban and Al Qaeda are going to start blowing the Chinese bases up. They already are. And that'll be their own problem. Chinese bases. But instead we guard Afghanistan for the chai comms. That is weird. That's a wild thing to say.

That is very weird. Because I've heard him make a lot of criticisms of the chai comms and our various wars. I don't think I've heard him specifically be like, we should get out of there because then the Taliban and Al Qaeda are going to blow up Chinese stuff. We're just there protecting the Chinese mineral interests or something like that. I don't think I've ever heard him say stuff like that before. I don't think I've heard anybody say stuff like that before. Which is profoundly weird.

Also, I believe that the numbers closer to 95% of the world's rare earth minerals are not controlled by China necessarily, but extracted by China. They have a near monopoly on the industries that are capable of extracting rare earth minerals. I did not know that. But in terms of their own, like what's in China and what they have control of, it's a much lower number than that. It's a fine distinction. But yes, if they were to just stop, the world would have a problem.

They would be bummed out. Yes, it would be a problem. But also in terms of Afghanistan, it's never been a secret that Afghanistan is very mineral rich. 50-year-old Soviet documents lay out gold and copper deposits. And in 2010, a more formal survey found that all things considered, there's likely a trillion dollars worth of mineral resources in Afghanistan. By 2014, Afghanistan had signed a 30-year, $3 billion contract with a Chinese state-owned mining company for their giant copper deposit that they have.

But it also awarded mining rights to their biggest iron deposits to Indian companies. I can find no evidence of Alex's 44 billion a year number. And honestly, considering that $1 trillion, that figure, that's not an annual figure. And the fact that China isn't the only country in play when it comes to strip mining Afghanistan, I find it very unlikely that that number is accurate. I just can't believe that that's true. That being said, what's behind this shitty commentary is actually a very important geopolitical question, which is, what is the right thing to do in terms of Afghanistan?

Obviously, as it stands now, since we can't rewrite the past, do nothing is a very bad answer, because what would happen is most likely that the terrorist wouldn't just start working to impede China's mining operation. That's an absurd idea. The kind suggests that Alex thinks that the terrorists are on his side, which is hard to square with his constant rhetoric about how Obama and Hillary created all these terrorist groups, and they just do their bidding. I thought Hillary and Obama were in bed with China,

so why would their terrorist armies attack Chinese interests if we withdrew from the country? It's all globalism up top for him. It doesn't make sense. The whole terrorist being created by it, that's in the past, Dan. We don't need to worry about that. I can change my position now because Obama and Hillary aren't there. And also, you don't fucking remember whenever I said it was their fault. He says that they're their proxy armies.

Yeah, but that was a while back. You can't expect him to say that. That was a week ago. Yeah, but that's a long time ago for him. It's crazy, because if his worldview is to be consistent, then up top is the globalists, and they're controlling the Chai comms and Hillary and Obama and all these neocons and what have you who are controlling puppet mastering these terrorist groups. So why would they have their tendrils attack each other?

It makes no sense, especially when the goal seems to be extracting minerals and making money off it. You would understand if they fought against each other for the appearance of something. But when it detracts from what is ostensibly the main goal, your conspiracy no longer makes sense. Okay, so if I understand correctly, here's what his worldview says is going on, that he does not see as contradicting itself. The globalists control both the Chai comms and through Obama and Hillary, the terrorists. Well, I mean not just Obama and Hillary, but yes.

Yes, all right. So Trump pulls out of Afghanistan. Yes. Assuming that the terrorists will attack the Chai comms, even though the terrorists are controlled by the globalists via proxy, and the Chai comms are controlled by the globalists entirely. And the goal would be, I don't know. But like, legitimately, the most likely outcome if we were to withdraw and everything

is not so much that these terrorist groups would then get China out of town or whatever. Right. But there is a decent chance that what they would do is start to take over some of these very lucrative mineral businesses. If they were to be able to get footholds into industries or parts of the government, that sort of thing in a very corrupt system, they could end up enriching their terrorist organizations much more and thereby become a huge threat to their neighbors.

Yeah, they do. Like, that's the realistic outcome, unfortunately, of us withdrawing. Now, granted, there were better plans that could have been put in place to begin with. No, like what? There's a number of them. Yeah. So, but what would make more sense for them is not to destroy the strip mining operations because they don't take them over.

They don't know how to strip mine. Right. They don't even have engineers. Like engineers don't usually become terrorists. It would be continue trying to take over power and then take over the contracts with the Chinese operations. And then you make money. China has a very specifically like non-moral foreign policy in terms of like,

especially economic. They have a non-moral policy across the board. Right. But there's, they are totally fine doing business with regimes that are perhaps against even their morals or morals of the world because there's money, baby. Sure. But what China is doing and what they've been doing is employing a strategy of soft power in Afghanistan having, they forgave the country's debts in 2004.

And they're constantly working to ensure a relationship of friendship and cooperation. Many experts have noted that their strategy includes a belief that should the country be lifted out of abject poverty, many of the problems that precipitate terrorism would cease to exist. Whether or not their intentions are pure is a separate question. But I think it's safe to say that bombing people indiscriminately and killing civilians isn't a great approach. And it's the one that we've been using for a really long time.

Of course, you have to worry about China's shitty human rights record and their oppressive government. But in terms of what they've done in Afghanistan vis-à-vis investing in the natural resources there, it doesn't appear to be an evil plan. It seems like a better strategy because they aren't, I mean, I'm sure there's some exploitation involved. Don't get me wrong. Oh, of course.

But what they're doing isn't necessarily stealing all of this stuff. They're paying for it. Yeah, there are contracts and stuff that they're putting in place where they're paying to take copper from the country, which in a non-corrupt system that worked well, what you would have is these businesses come in from out of the country, have arrangements, and based on the resources that are available in Afghanistan, they could end up becoming a very viable country. Absolutely.

It could be a very stable, affluent country, quite frankly, based on what is there. But because of the sort of political situation and what has been done to it since time immemorial, it's not. Okay. So you're saying that on the one hand, we have America that has since 2003 killed millions upon millions of non-combatants. Maybe millions upon millions. Well, and not even that, but you include sanctions, you include droughts, you include

all of the damage that they've done to the economy in general, right? And then you have China that was like, you guys have a lot of valuable stuff. What if we paid you for it? And then when your people aren't pissed off and getting murdered all the time, you'll eventually have a thriving economy, then you'll recognize that we were part of the partners from the very beginning. And we forgave your debt in 2004, all this stuff. Yeah, which one would you team up with, Dan?

I think that's a stunder strategy. None of this is to say that I even fully understand all of China's operations. I could be talking out of my ass. I have no idea. But just the broad picture of this is it seems like what we have here is basically that. And the other thing to be concerned about too is if you believe that China is some sort of a evil stealing all your stuff, Mr. Steal Your Stuff kind of operation. And they have all these like $44 billion that they're making a year in Afghanistan.

If we pull out and the terrorists start attacking their interests, do you think they're just going to say whoopsy daisy and run back to Beijing? They're not like if that is what Alex believes is the case, then us withdrawing will only lead to China getting militarily involved in Afghanistan and probably killing tons and tons of people. That doesn't make sense. It doesn't. But I'm saying that if that's what Alex believes that would probably be the natural

because the other the other idea is give up this $44 billion a year they're making. Well, I mean, but at the same time China doesn't have a history of invading countries. And the only one right now that they're super interested in is Tibet. And making sure that everybody in Tibet knows that they're fucking Chinese and you better shut the goddamn hell up. And there's other issues for why that is such a priority for them. They don't have a long history of and China I would assume and I would hope and I would think that by now by now the global community would recognize

that going to war in Afghanistan is a bad idea. We've got four different examples of people going to war and not winning and only making things fucking worse. It's true. It's true. But I'm not saying that that is an outcome that's likely. Yeah, no, of course. It's sort of implied by Alex's world if you want it.

It wouldn't happen no matter what. No, yeah. But you know, the reality on the ground is what it is. And Alex kind of just seems like he's talking shit, quite frankly. He's talking shit. I don't know. So anyway, we get to Alex teasing the big news. And even in this tease, I think Alex is stepping in a big old pile of shit.

Now, when we come back, the big news, I'm going to bottom of the hour and Paul Watson joins and I'm going to cover for about a half hour at the start of the next hour. Not quite. This is the big enchilada. There's more than one way to classify information and more than one way to declassify it. And as I predicted, you're going to start seeing very skilled hackers who already have the information, but they're going to parallel construct, release all the 9 11 poop on the Clintons because they're involved, too.

And the bushes. So you want to rock and roll, baby? You're going to rock and roll. The hackers have 18,000 pages of the stand down of 9 11. It's up on info wars.com and it's all about to be coming out. Let's stop right there. Guess what? The entire New York crime syndicate bipartisanly was involved in this.

Trump wasn't involved. That's why the week had happened. He said there were bombs in the buildings and there should be an investigation. Remember that called covering your bases. And that's a few of the little tricks. That's why Trump said, strap yourselves in. It's going to be a wild ride. That strap yourself in.

It's going to be a wild ride is sort of in sort of hand in hand with Trump when he had that meeting with the generals. And he said, this is the calm before the storm, which sort of kicked off in earnest. The big QAnon, uh, the storm, uh, uh, meme and all the, all that nonsense. Okay, okay. So Alex is hearkening to that because he wants to reclaim QAnon. He wants to take over that space, much like he tried to do with Zach, but now he's doing it, um, in a way of like, now I know that this story is going to break

what the real shit is. Okay. So it's QAnon that he are his quote hackers and they are the ones releasing 18,000. No, not so much. It's, it's a little bit bigger than that. Okay. In terms of like, so there is a story that has come out, uh, about these hackers and we'll get into it more

when Alex starts to talk about it, but there's these hackers who have said that they have 18,000 pages of stuff that they hacked about the nine 11, uh, insurance policies and legal, uh, cases that have come out of the insurance claims about nine 11. And they are implying that it's going to prove that, uh, nine 11 was planned. It was all an inside job and Alex is running with that. And there's some reasons he shouldn't run with that. But then secondly, in that clip, I think it makes perfectly clear that he's implying he has advanced knowledge of what's in those hacked, uh, documents, which no one should

have because they're encrypted. No, like there have been decryption keys that have been released for a couple of the documents in order to show like we have something. Right. But I assume the hackers got them legally, right? No, but Alex also should have no information and the fact that he's implying that he does is either an indication of being in touch with people who are committing crimes or him just lying.

One of the two. So we can, we can say it's one of the two. I'm leaning towards lying right now. Totally. Your, your Cheshire cat grin, however, suggests that you have some, uh, I'm not sure if I do, but once I, I don't know, I can't, even after we get to the end of this, I'm not entirely sure that I can land on one or the other. I just think that based on his actions later in this episode, it's going to be

fucking hilarious to see how this plays out because it hasn't yet. As we're recording this, it hasn't yet. I don't fucking know what's going to happen. They haven't released the documents. I believe that there probably aren't that many documents. I think it's probably wildly overblown. 18,000. And I have certain reasons to believe that.

But before we, we get to that, I just want to say that this is where the episode got interesting to me because like before this, it's kind of like, yeah, all right, this Afghanistan mineral stuff is stuff you touch on from time to time. It's kind of boring. And yeah, we know you're afraid of Muslims. If you're afraid of three girls in a pool supply shop, why? Fireworks are going to terrify you.

00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,840 We can extrapolate from there. And he kind of does that every year these days. Like every around holidays, especially like New Year's Eve or I don't know, best deal day in France, you know, like, you know, just like, oh my God, you shooting fireworks. Yeah. Mostly Muslims and they're killing people. There's acid and cars and.

Right. So that's all kind of boring. But once he gets to like, this is the big story, I kind of perked up a little bit and things are going to get real interesting. But before they do, Alex is mad at Chris Cuomo. Maybe not Chris Cuomo, Governor Cuomo. Remember that one? Andy Andrew Cuomo.

Andrew Cuomo. That's right. Chris Cuomo. I don't give a shit. He complains about Chris Cuomo all the time too. All right. Fine. I'm fine.

Mario. All Cuomos get our fine fair game to me. Alex is not thrilled with them. Yeah. So Cuomo gave a speech about, I don't even really know, from the clips that Alex played, I don't really understand the full context of. The speech that Cuomo gave was weird off, like, I assume he's talking about the radio interview that no, he's talking about the speech.

Okay. I would talk about the radio interview where he seemed to preemptively say like, Hey, I mean, yeah, we have a far more democratic situation there, but they're not going to investigate me. And they, if they do investigate me, they won't wait, wait. Nobody said anybody was investigating you Cuomo. No, that's interesting. Cuomo, you should not have.

That's interesting. That's not what Alex talks about. Okay. Of course not. Alex is talking about this speech that he gave near Ellis Island, or he was talking, I think that the context that I can glean from it. And honestly, if I could do this all over again, I probably would have gone and listened to the whole speech.

So it gets some context, but it's kind of one of those things you just dismiss. It seemed to be something about the idea of like Trump's relatives immigrated here, and now he's the president, some sort of demonstrative thing about like, immigration is great. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. I'm not entirely sure. But no matter the case, Alex is going to play a clip of Cuomo's speech. And then he's, Alex says something that is crazy.

Okay. Literally crazy. This is the harbor where Frederick Trump arrived from Germany. And that's why we're closing it. And whose grandson would become president of the United States. The governor, Andrew Cuomo, positioning himself as a... Yes, and Fred Trump's grandfather had to stay three months on Ellis Island in quarantine on record. On record, you say?

That's interesting. Is that on record, Dan? Oh, it's not. Oh, wait a minute. But I thought it was on record. On October 19th, 1885, 16-year-old Frederick Trump arrived at Ellis Island. The thing is that Ellis Island, as we know it, the thing that we know about, the one where it was an immigration center run by the federal government,

it didn't exist until January 1st, 1892, a good seven years later. What Trump arrived at was known as Castle Garden Immigration Depot, which was run by the state of New York. The federal government had to take over the operation after a ton of incidents of unnecessary deaths, reports of state workers stealing indiscriminately from immigrants, and overall just outright corruption was found. Gotcha. Castle Garden was the first immigration facility in the United States.

And between 1820 and 1892, an approximated 11 million immigrants arrived and became Americans. That's over 152,000 per year, or 418 per day. The story of Trump being quarantined for three months is categorically not true. Immigration records from that time are very precise, so we know exactly when he arrived. And Gwenda Blair's 2000 book, The Trumps, Three Generations That Built an Empire, explicitly lays out how mere hours after Frederick Trump arrived at Castle Garden, he met a German-speaking barber who was looking to hire an assistant, and that Frederick began working for him the next day and stayed for six years in his employment.

Wait, so, but then where did he get this three-month bullshit story from? He made it up. He just made it up? He made it up. I mean, as we... He just flat out made it up? In the Ebola episode, we went over from 2014, we heard him lie about Ellis Island and the idea that, you know, all these people were turned away because of the sicknesses and stuff.

Right. We've lost that because we want the sicknesses to come in. So, this is really just trying to enrich his already existing false narrative of Ellis Island being exactly like our immigration. What he's doing is he's trying to apologize for detention centers. Yeah. Like, he's trying to present this idea of, like, you're mad that these kids are being held in camps, but in reality,

they've been doing that this whole time when that's not true. If you look at the history of Ellis Island, how few people were turned away, and how quickly people got through, and we're just, now you're American. Yeah. You don't have a good case to make. We changed your name, but now you're American. Sure. You don't have a good case to make, though.

If you look at the reality and you try and use that to indicate some sort of like, it's always been this way about immigration. Yeah, but we're full now. But if you create a false reality, you can make that argument. And that's what Alex is doing. And it serves its purposes on a second level because then he turns it into like, this Trump, Trump, his whole lineage has come from that really careful immigration proceedings and stuff like that.

00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:38,800 Like even the guy who's being a monster to Mexican immigrants and South American immigrants is like himself the product of the rigorous controls that they had to put in place. He's as much a victim as them. He's trying to make them stronger, Dan, because they had to go through it. And now look, he's president. So all of you fucking immigrants, you could be president someday. If only we quarantine all of these immigrants for three months,

there's a chance that their offspring will become president. That sounds right, certainly. I think all of their offspring will become president. The point is this story about Frederick Trump is 100% not true. It's very clearly on record. He got through immigration very quickly. And it wasn't Ellis Island. It was Castle Garden because Ellis Island as an institution didn't exist at that time,

which is a second point that I want to make about the idea of why federally run things are often needed because state run things often have endemic corruption within them as evidenced by Castle Gardens. And the reason why Ellis Island had to be taken over by a federal organization. But they elected Andrew Cuomo. Wow. What are you talking about? Corruption exists on the state level, Dan?

I mean, it's like 160, 70 years later or whatever. Yeah, what are you talking about, Tam and Hall is an issue. Point taken. Right. So the state federal friction there is just one other point I wanted to highlight. But the bigger point is this story about Frederick Trump isn't true. And the only place he probably could be getting it from is maybe associates of Trump's or something like that.

Yeah. Who are like telling him these tall tales that absolutely don't don't match history. No. He's just making this stuff up. So then it becomes like this is just fun. Three months on quarantine. I love how he's the grandfather came here too. And what the hell?

He was a Nazi, by the way. They don't tell you. Yeah, you get tested for diseases. Let's continue. So yeah, I mean, even does that funny voice about Cuomo to try and like, oh, isn't it stupid? Because he had to go for quarantine for three months. You don't talk about that. But it's not true.

So the voice you're doing is better directed at you, Alex. Also, he doesn't talk about that because it's not true. It would be hard for him to. It would be hard for him to have talked about a lie that Alex Jones would come up after the time of his speech. Yeah, it's like, I'm sure if he had listened to Alex's talk, he would have added that into his speech. Well, I also tried to track that down possibly about like trying to find possible sources of

where that story could have come from. Like the idea of Frederick Trump being quarantined and stuff like that. Yeah. Like I expected maybe to find a blog or something like that, but I can't find any backup for that. Could he be mixing him up with somebody? It's possible. I mean, I don't exclude the possibility that someone was held for three months.

I do think that's why I think the. Because he just came up with it so fast, you know, like he just. I think Roger told him or something like that. I think if I had to guess, but like, sure, I imagine that in the course of the years that Alice Island and Castle Garden were open and all that stuff, I'm certain that probably there were instances of people who were held for a really long time. Like that individual does exist. Oh, of course.

The percentage of the people who are coming in who are held for any amount of time is very, very small. But yeah, that story probably exists and maybe, I don't know, maybe Roger helped him conflate the two, but yeah, the bigger issue is just, it's not true. What even diseases would they test for? It's in the 18 fucking nineties. What are they, what are they, what are they, what testing procedures do they have? They did have some, but a lot of them would have been more diagnostic tests.

Like it's not like blood work and stuff that takes months or anything. It would be like, like we talked about, well, like we talked about on the Alice Island episode that I conditioned that was indicative of a really contagious thing that was like close to Chlamydia. So like there were things that you could do visual tests on like boils. If you have boils on your body. No problem. See, I mean, there's that sort of thing. That's the testing that they would do.

And that's why you don't need to want for three months. You can just look at them and be like, nope, fucking get out. And that's why the process was so quick. Yeah. Because most of it was like a quick physical. Exactly. So you could do, yeah. You got legs, get in there.

Anyway, do you know how to use them? Ah, I forgot. I crawled off this fucking boat. So it's all a lot of shit. And, you know, it's just fun. It's nice to see Alex. You know why? You know why it's fun for me?

Because even that, that innocuous lie that Frederick Trump was quarantined for three months at Alice Island is in service of white nationalism. Yeah. Like even that, that seems so disconnected from Alex's sort of, like I said, the editorial position that he has is one of anti-Islam. And therefore all of the stories he wants to cover and chooses to cover are these instances of a Muslim running over someone with a car, as opposed to these other instances of people running over people.

In the same way, this seems so outside of that editorial position. It just seems like Trump, Trump, a sycophant nonsense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. But in reality, it really does undercut like a dismissal of the concerns of immigrants who Alex classifies as all non-white and therefore a scourge and a menace coming to America. Like it's. It's nice.

It's crazy. It's nice of him to exercise restraint on that instead of being like, well, of course they let Frederick through. He was white. But I feel like that's underneath it. Yeah. No, absolutely. Anyway, in this next clip.

If it, if instead of none dare call it a conspiracy, Alex had just watched Fival an American tale. Do you think we would be in an entirely different universe? Possibly. At the very least, he wouldn't be anti-Semitic or at least anti-mouse. I tried to watch that not too long ago. It was crazy. It was, it was, first of all, absolutely crazy, like just from a content standpoint.

Yeah. Isn't it nuts? And then second from like a, uh, like you forget how rudimentary animation used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see those commercials, like those animations and cartoons from like the, I don't know, 40s and 50s. Yeah. You have that in your head and you have modern, uh, like toy story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You forget that there's that weird middle ground of like that, like early 90s. Oh, do you mean the fucking golden age? It's pretty good, but it's also like, it's really weird to look at. Yeah. That was the experience I had. I watched Fival goes West not too long ago and it's fantastic and also nuts.

Distracting. Lot of racial stereotypes flying around. Which is really strange considering the first Fival was essentially about Jews coming to America. It's a mess. And then they move West and they're like, eh, let's be racist all day. So let's not go too far down this critiquing of cartoons route. Let's get into this next clip where Alex hints at a story that he wants to cover because he's not getting to the big news yet.

Of course. He has another story he wants to talk about and, uh, this one really interested me. And Merkel says, yes, that's true. Last week we're going to ignore national sovereignty and ignore the voters and have an EU army control you. And then quietly they arrest 200 officers of the German military because they were planning to overthrow Merkel for treason. Yeah. The Germans tried to overthrow Hitler too.

Wish they would have. Ah, so. Okay. So, okay. I, all right. The, the, the, the clip that he's talking about or the speech that Merkel gave was about the idea of like in a larger world, sometimes states have to make, you know, compromises in terms of sovereignty that could be described as giving up some of your sovereignty.

It's not like saying the EU army is going to rule over you or anything like that. In much the same way is pretty much everything Alex lies about. There is like a kernel of truth in it that she was talking about compromises in terms of sovereignty. We're part of the EU guys. They get used to it. But at the same time she was talking about how the parliament is the most important piece of these states and that you retain them and it, and that sort of thing. So like his argument falls flat.

I tried to find this story and I, I don't know what he's talking about, but I will say number one, no one is interested in overthrowing Angela Merkel. She's already announced she's stepping down as chancellor. So no one who just doesn't like her is going to waste the resources on a very dangerous coup attempt that would be nonsensical. Now's a great time. Bad time. She hasn't stepped down yet.

You know what? Maybe you just wanted to overthrow Merkel and you're like, she's going to leave soon. So we got to get it in quick. Let's play this out. Like I'm a group that, uh, I'm going to play both parts. Okay. All right. Then never mind.

How about let's you play this out? I'm going to be John Leguizamo and do a one man show about this. Nice. Nice. So I, I'm Angela Merkel and I'm like, hi, I'm the chancellor. And, uh, this other group is like, we don't want you to be chancellor anymore. Cause you're like, we're going to overthrow you. We're going to overthrow you because of your statements on sovereignty.

And she's like, Oh, a while back, I already said that I'm going to be gone in a bit. And I was like, cool. That's how it would go. Like if you are a group that wants to overthrow Angela Merkel for the things that she stands for and her being in power, then wait it out. You got a month. It's like, no, it's like a movie, Dan. You have to get, it might leave the theater next week.

You got to get it in quick. But there's a chance it won't work. Like if there's a chance you die on the way to the movie, maybe you wait for V.O.B. There's always a chance you die on the way to the movie. There's a good chance maybe you get it on Netflix. There's a 70, 30 chance you're going to die on the way to any movie. So I can't find any indication of what Alex is talking about here. I can't find any articles on it on, even on info wars, his website and any internet search

fails to bring up any story that seems like he might be covering. There was one story I found that was about 200, uh, German police officers. But it wasn't about them getting arrested. It was them being involved in a large mafia operation, like them breaking up a mafia ring. Oh, okay. And so it's like, oh, that's interesting, but it has nothing to do with Merkel. And, and the 200 officers weren't arrested.

They were the ones doing the arresting, but that 200 number was in there. Yeah. So that was one possibility. I don't think that's it. However, back in October, a group of six men were arrested for forming a far right terror cell called revolution sheminists, which aspired to overthrow Angela Merkel. But they weren't doing it from, uh, like a, she's a globalist and trader position. They wanted to install a far right ethno state.

No, the name revolution shemnitz is a reference to the city shemnitz, a city that had been the scene of violent protests in the aftermath of a stabbing that was done by a migrant. The protests more or less deteriorated into mob violence and Nazi salutes were being thrown around very liberally. Following these protests, members of revolution shemnitz began attacking immigrants with glass bottles and stun guns pretty regularly. And what prosecutors, uh, have described as practice runs for their planned larger

scale attack to come, they planned an attack with assault rifles and high grade weapons for October 3rd, the day when Germans celebrate the anniversary of the country's reunification. The message could not have been more clear that their primary terrorist motivation was to undo that, uh, that unification. The police had intercepted communications and had been watching the group and when it became clear that this was their plan, they made their move and arrested the conspirators before they could murder tons of non-white people in the interest of pushing their goals. Great.

These men weren't anti-globalization. They were literally members of the neo-nazi scene in Germany. And it's easy to see where their motivations came from. And Alex seems to be defending them here if this is the story he's talking about. It's the only people I can find who are arrested for trying to overthrow Angela Merkel in the last year. So that's, I'm guessing, what he's talking about. Maybe he misunderstands the story, maybe not.

I kind of think that's, I think that's kind of good. I think that's a reflection of a good job if only six people have been arrested for trying to overthrow him. I think it was seven, but one of them got arrested previous to the sixth state. I got you. Because he beat up an immigrant and then there's like, well, we're going to arrest you individually. Yeah, because I think more people were arrested trying to assassinate and overthrow Obama in the United States than just six.

Oh, yeah. Go find that list. Yeah, it's a long list. Not so many people threatened to murder Obama. Bull. And it's nuts that we don't really hear. We never really heard about it all that much, which I think is a sign of decorum. Well, that's kind of more because the, the media was like, well, yeah, I mean, there's

a black president. Of course people are going to do that. I don't even, I don't think that's it. I think it was seen as day-class a to talk about. I think it was seen as like, I, I would, I would guess that Obama wouldn't want to give credence to like threats against him. Yeah. And people who were around him probably saw no benefit out of like publicizing them.

Like what do you do? Do you encourage more people to do this? Do you incite pity for him? What good is that? Right. There's no, there's no positive outcome for it. So just don't talk about it. Quietly arrest these people, break up plots wherever you can and, and just move on.

Whereas now, anytime there's some sort of a miniscule threat against Trump, you've got to hear about it. Well, I mean, maybe instead what they should have done is installed one of those led ticker tapes and it just had an constantly updating list of every death. Yeah. Yeah. Every death threat is just the names just going alongside there on a constant loop. That'd be nice.

I'm certain that there are probably more people who conspired against Angela Merkel over the years, but this is the only thing I can come up with that seems to match Alex's story. Yeah. The numbers aren't right, but the themes are there. Yeah. And these are people who are neo-Nazis. These are Nazis, man. Like straight up, like it's not, it's not a stretch to say that.

They are people who beat up immigrants and had plans to attack politicians and citizens with assault rifles on the celebration of reunification day in order to help bring in a white ethno state. Yeah. They're even Germans. Like they got all the trappings of a Nazi. Thru Nazi salutes all over the place. Yeah.

Like that sort of thing that Alex is defending them, like it shouldn't surprise me, but somehow it still does. Like if that's the story he's talking about, it's still crazy that he's whitewashing that because it's so easy to see what the reality is. Yeah. It's just nuts. I'm still kind of amazed that anybody becomes a Nazi. Like I'm still kind, like we're so normalized to it now, but isn't it kind of weird that

people still become Nazis, especially in Germany? To a certain extent, after the first World War, whenever everybody economically destroyed Germany and left everybody so fucked, you're like, well, a nationalist far right movement is going to arise when everybody's that fucked. But now everybody's doing so much better and there are still people trying to be Nazis? Well, I think that you're looking at the wrong axis, the wrong variable. Because enough time has passed now and there's generational differences that there's probably a lot of people who have been taught that like doing Nazi salutes and doing any kind of thing

that's adjacent to Nazism is absolutely forbidden. In people who are like, you know, There's a certain oppositional defiance necessary. Do whatever is the most rebellious thing possible. Identifying with Nazis is the thing that their culture deems the most forbidden thing. There is good reason to think that a piece of rebellion could be dabbling in Nazi ideas. Not to dismiss it or make it okay, but I think it's easier to become a Nazi in Germany than it is anywhere else because it is a place where they've dealt with that that guilt for as long as they

have. Yeah, I saw an underground German bondage video that was actually just a guy putting on a Nazi uniform. So you know, it's taboo. Sure. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to talk about it more because I'm not German, but from things I've read, it seems like it seems like that sort of thing is in play. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. I mean, I guess you can anybody can deny the Holocaust anywhere. It just seems strange to deny the Holocaust and say that that's like Nazis weren't bad. But at the same time, actively try and kill people who aren't Jewish or aren't you aren't yeah, aren't you kind of just aren't you the very proof that the the Holocaust did happen?

I mean, maybe I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think people have a lot of blind spots. That's how we submit. I honestly don't know how to like end that sort of line of thinking other than that. Like, yeah, probably. Yeah, probably they should see that. But yeah, it seems obvious like, Hey, you guys, there's six of you, you're trying to kill immigrants and non, you know, Jewish politicians in order to help put in your idea of a state that kills immigrants or excludes immigrants. So that kind of would lead to a Holocaust considering, imagine, hey, six guys, imagine the entire country wanted to kill immigrants and Jews, you might wind up with a Holocaust. So maybe you're maybe the Holocaust did happen. Maybe. I don't know. Anyway, they have

their position on immigrants, they have their position on minorities, all that stuff. Alex has his and in this next clip, he starts screaming about how the Muslims are winning. Oh, boy. Sadiq Khan said two years ago when he first got elected the Islamic mayor of London, he said, just get used to it. It's normal. And you know what? It is, I can't keep track of the bus attacks, the car attacks, the knife attacks, the rape attacks, the firework attacks. You don't want to keep track of them because you don't want to do any work. Because if you do, you have to then get into the ones that aren't Islam related or immigrant related or anything like that. Also, what Sadiq Khan was talking about wasn't the idea of like, get used to it,

bitches or something like that, which would have been a great speech. He wasn't flexing on people like Muslims are going to do this to you. I kind of wish he did. He was saying that in a modern society, sometimes there are risks and some of these risks are like, let's say the security apparatus that's in place can't catch everybody. Right. And it's a part of like large scale urban life. We live in Chicago and there is a risk. Every time we walk down the street at night, or whatever, there's a chance that you might get mugged. I've had people accost me. Thankfully, it's never led to a mugging. But like, I accept that as a possibility in a city. Right. That isn't to excuse mugging as a crime. No, it's to deal in a real way with the world as

it is. Right. Well, and the NRA's entire policy might as well be an organization saying, get used to it. Mass shootings are fine. Well, there's that too. And they also make money both ways on that one because they try and make you as afraid of the, you know, just the realities of modern city life. But their answer is buy more guns to us, come to us for your to protect you. Yeah. The NRA makes a lot more money on the day after a mass shooting. You bet. So they kind of have a financial incentive for mass shootings to continue. Well, but that see, I agree with you. But the only reason I don't like that is because it seems to put actual guilt on them as opposed to abstract guilt, which I don't care. Yeah, let's not move into it. Let's not do that. So this

quote isn't done. The hang grenade attacks and the mass raping and grooming and government allowing it. I can't even keep track anymore. I'm just becoming numb to it. They're winning. Paul lives in London, Stan. We'll talk to him in one moment. But first, all the big specials are going to be over. No, no, another reason he can't keep track of it is because he would also have to keep track of how many of these incidents happened under Boris Johnson and all of these things in order to compare. Well, he doesn't want any statistical work. He doesn't want any work. He doesn't want to do any work. And that's fine. Because even in this, he's not talking about any specific incidents.

He just keeps talking about the myriad knife attacks and every time that we've delved into those waters and talked about like how he always screams about how there's all these acid attacks. And we go over the statistics and talk about like the reality of like who are the people who are doing these acid attacks? Why are they doing them all that stuff? It never matches his narrative. He never wants to get into the reality and the like the individual instances because it's a problem for him. Reality really fucks up his narrative. He just wants to yell about these things in a vague sense in order to make you scared of the idea that the Muslims are winning and that Paul lives in London, Stan. He does. The specials are still going. It's strange that

all of his specials of assuage fears and then he spends all of his time making people afraid. I mean, it's just like you just, it's such a pathetic business model and we talk about it all the time like obliquely, but like it is just like it's a strategy that he learned in the 90s, working for Ted Anderson as a gold salesman, where you create this fear of a financial collapse and then Ted comes in and tells them about the gold that will save them. Like it doesn't work on a one-to-one level because he's making people afraid of Muslim winning and then selling them pills or something. I don't know. But he's been able to maneuver this from that like I have Ted who's selling you the thing that saves you from what I'm making you afraid of and now he's pivoted it

to it doesn't matter what he's selling. If you buy things from me, I will continue to exist and I'm the one who saved you from this. It's a really pathetic business model and really manipulative and ugly no matter what he's selling. If he's selling the best thing in the world, if he's selling Wonka bars, one of my favorite candy bars, it's still a bad business model. No Dan, I'm just saying all I'm trying to say is that the far right is taking over in the United States. Nazism is on the rise. Hate crimes are going out of control and Dan, we have t-shirts that you need to buy. We don't have t-shirts. We don't have t-shirts. We're bad at this. So in this next clip, Alex wants to talk more about the Muslims that are taking over

and about some of their New Year's Eve activities and stuff. And when we get through this clip, you will see that this is bullshit. 99 burn cars in one town burning buildings. 99 burn cars on the wall. No! Buildings. I mean it's it's I can't even keep track of this. We can as a news organization even keep track of how insane it is. There it is. 99 vehicles selling fire in migrant heavy Paris suburb and on New Year's Eve and here's the key. This is just like any Islamic country. They don't let you come in the country of your Christian or an outside group or a woman not wearing a veil and then they congregate in cities and take them over every single time. This is meant to drive you out, drive down property rights so they get control. It's a mafia tactic.

It's cancer is what it is. Stay with us. Gross. Was was one of the mafia's tactics reverse gentrification? I guess. I don't know. It's cancer. These non-whites making the neighborhoods is a cancer. So there's there's this story about these burning cars on New Year's Eve. 99 burn cars in a city in France which Alex earlier said per city. It's like which implies it's every city. I don't know about that. So just for fun because Alex is talking about car burnings and I want to illustrate how easy it is to take any headline or story and use it however you want. I present you with this new story out of Goldsboro, North Carolina from January 2nd, 2019 quote police are investigating what appears to be a hate crime after a Goldsboro, North Carolina family's SUV

was set on fire because their daughter who is white was dating an African-American teenager. Oh come on. The girl's mother said that while the family slept two of their cars were covered with swastikas and racist language and a third car was set on fire. In the aftermath the daughter had to stay with family out of state and the family had to wrestle with the idea that their child was unsafe because she decided to date outside her race. Go ahead look into recent arsons in the United States. There's plenty of them. There's Victor Nelson Rosado who was arrested on December 30th in Midland, Texas right in Alex's backyard because he said a woman's house on fire. Interestingly he was also charged with felony stalking something he'd been arrested for twice and charged for twice

in the past. The woman who owned the property told officers that Rosado had previously slashed her car tires and vandalized her vehicles and home. Or how about Loretta Bailey from Manchester Pennsylvania whose ex-boyfriend was arrested for burning down her house right after she had broken up with him. Violence against women! He started out small just vandalizing her truck on Thanksgiving which led to her attempting to get a protective order against him. Ultimately this didn't work out because he just kept avoiding the officers who were trying to serve him with papers and then he burned down her house. Or there's this guy in Hialeah, Florida who committed suicide on New Year's Day 2019 but was sure to set his house on fire before he did. You see his

girlfriend had recently separated from him but she didn't feel safe going to retrieve her possessions from his house alone so she called the police to escort her over there which led to them contacting the ex-boyfriend to make sure he knew what the situation was and everything went smoothly. After getting this update that the police and her were coming to get her possessions he set his house and car on fire to make sure that she couldn't reclaim her possessions. Then there was Nicholas Cole, the 20 year old guy from Albany, New York who set someone's car on fire on New Year's Eve after getting into an unspecified dispute with them. Or there's George Husky of York, South Carolina who was due to turn himself in to begin serving a 90 day sentence he'd received for a domestic

violence charge as well as a charge for illegally carrying a pistol. Before he went to turn himself in he decided to enjoy his freedom one last time by burning down someone's house with them inside it. They survived. Oh that's that's that's really I needed that so bad after that list. Yeah point is there these are just some of the arson related incidents that have happened in the United States in the last few days. A whole lot of them involved domestic violence which as you already pointed out is strange real strange. It's kind of a pattern seems like it. A further point is that yes there were 99 vehicles set on fire in France but the way Alex is reporting the story is intentionally racist. His headline on info wars is 99 vehicles set on fire in migrant heavy

Paris suburb which is meant to imply that the migrants are committing this mass fire as some sort of a terrorist act. Of course. Because why else would you say migrant heavy suburb unless you were trying to make someone afraid that they're going to come burn your car. It's just information that's out there Dan. I mean you've you look to yourself to figure out whether it's relevant. It's just information that's out there. The story goes even further to make things explicit saying this quote is a perfect illustration of how mass migration and integration has completely failed. Oh boy. That's a fucked up sentence. That's a fucked up sentence. There's no primary sourcing in this article only a tweet from an account called the intelligence fusion

which states that 99 cars were set on fire. A fact that Paul Joseph Watson then goes on to editorialize about and connect to stories he's just decided are connected. So this entire article the only primary source about the 99 cars is this tweet from the intelligence fusion. Three million illegal immigrants voted in the last election. Now I don't know a whole lot about the intelligence fusion but I glanced over their Twitter feed and it seems like maybe people who are doing some work like it seems like they're doing something. Yeah. I don't know enough about them to to give any kind of decision on them or anything like that. But looking over their account showed me a few stories they've covered that Alex and PJW certainly aren't getting near

from January 3 2019 quote earlier this week. Flyers were placed on vehicles in central Ferndale, Michigan by white supremacist group. Flyers had messages regarding the need to quote take back America or there was a tweet from January 2 2019 quote in 2018 Chicago saw a drop in murders for the second year in a row with 100 fewer murders than 2017 police credit investments at data driven policing and the creation of strategic decision support centers for the drop. Oh Alex do you want to talk about how things are getting better in Chicago? Nope. Nope. We need the National Guard in there Dan. Shirek. Right. Shirek Dan. I have no idea what the intelligence fusion's editorial position but nothing what it is. I have no idea. Yeah. And I don't know how

like stringent they are with guidelines. I don't know. It would take way too long to figure that out and there's such a tertiary piece of the story that I don't give a shit. Yeah. The point is they're the only source of actual primary information in Paul Joseph Watson's story. Now Breitbart did cover this story too and to their credit they at least did link through to one actual French source Le Parisien which includes the line quote in the lot some vehicles were most likely burned for insurance scam attempts. This is something that comes up over and over again from experts when we look into the issue of vehicle burnings in Europe in particular. The vast majority of them are the result of insurance scams. Alex has every reason to know this

but still perpetuates the idea that this is the work of some sort of group of Muslim immigrants trying to terrorize the public which there's no evidence to support even on Alex's own website. This is a pure expression of enforce editorial position of demonizing immigrants Muslims and of supporting white nationalism. This is a zero. You know you know what I just I just thought of the way Alex put that earlier where he's like these immigrants come in they lower property values so they can take over what he's actually just said is I know the racism of property values in that just anyone being non-white there lowers property values doesn't matter if their house is the same or different man it's just by virtue of being

non-white it lowers property values Alex you understand how racism works you got it you have that you have what it takes to be woke you did it you did it buddy that is interesting that's such talking redlining baby we've got it all that's such a buried piece of like what he's indicating he is aware of that is really interesting yeah it's so subtle that I didn't even pick up on that he gets it no I was I was thinking about it I was like wait didn't you just did you just get that right and he doesn't seem to think that that's a problem he doesn't seem to think that that's a function of systematic racism and a corrupt real estate no industry but what a fucking asshole yeah he's dumb but here is him being even more asshole-ish like this I bet there was more before

the feeds cut in because it starts very curiously as he's coming back from break of course for mommy's gonna help cut your testicles off oh it's so liberal to brainwash your five-year-old and tell them they're a girl they're a boy those aren't the lyrics for that song it's so liberal are listen serious final second with the lyrics they're Lionel Lionel Lionel Lionel holy shit I don't understand like I want to be clear before this he wasn't talking about like trans issue anti-trans issues he doesn't after this he's just the spirits getting in him and he does a transphobic uh song parody in the middle of the show yeah I don't know why he it must have been an off air conversation that he was having or

something like that it got into his head and it bled into the show it's so weird buckly we want to break right buckly buckly you ain't trans people me too all right I'm gonna sing a song about everybody play that it's such an interesting stray bigotry that like doesn't connect to anything he covers in the in the episode so uh you should know that there is that big news and it's about these uh these 9-11 hacked documents it's coming yeah before it comes Alex has got to throw one of his longtime associates straight under the bus but I've got when I say huge news intergalactic level giant or coming up next segment the roger stone has huge news I hate that to go out for Dr. Jerome Corsi but uh there's some chicanery going on so we're gonna do it Alex is siding with Roger

in the roger stone versus Jerome Corsi battle Jesus so for anyone who doesn't know I don't know if we've covered it on the show or anything like this but Jerome Corsi has uh uh you know he's been uh talking to Mueller and then uh it also turns out that he's mad about this so he's decided he's going to sue Mueller and how's that lawsuit going can't tell probably not great um roger stone initially was very supportive of Jerome Corsi but now apparently there's been some backstage beef uh and the two of them are feuding roger because he has no other social media put up on instagram uh a really ugly picture of Jerome Corsi uh and this thing about how he's a snake at the grass okay he's working with Mueller to sandbag roger stone and he's gonna

he's uh he's wasn't a selfie with him and Jerome Corsi it wasn't it was just a picture of Corsi in his uh makeshift study I don't care I really don't care I don't think it I honestly don't even know if it's real like Jerome like I don't you think they might be doing a professional wrestling beef possibly in order to both distance each other from each other so whenever they're being investigated they I mean if you look at how roger left the trump campaign with the idea of him saying that he quit and trump saying he got fired right in order to create the appearance that they weren't working on the same page that there was a schism yeah that sort of thing I think if you look at roger's career there's a lot of fake uh publicity yeah moves or whatever I don't really care all this is

is a zero to me because Jerome Corsi is still Jerome Corsi roger stone is still roger stone and alex jones is still alex jones so I don't give a fuck if they don't like each other are you team roger team Corsi neither I come on you gotta pay this is this is twilight all over again man no we have a strange I'm rooting for them both to go to prison we have a strange romantic uh triangle here I assume that alex is uh oh he's been roger or whatever he's been roger 100 oh see there you go he's indicated there he's throwing Corsi out man he's throwing him the fuck out but that's why she didn't wind up being with the werewolf in this situation Jerome Corsi is the werewolf kid well I'm gonna do twilight references for the rest of the night I'm holding myself to it I mean possibly

I've never seen twilight but it's my understanding that the werewolf was more nurturing or like was a better guy I think he was I think that was the story I think that I think the vampire was just an asshole let's deconstruct twilight having neither of us seen it it's my understanding that the werewolf was her age and a decent guy yes and then the vampire was a thousand years old and a creep yes yeah yeah I that's statutory rape at best right she was 16 and he was a thousand so alex being bella and Corsi being the werewolf and roger being the vampire is possibly accurate that might be that might actually make sense based on our never seeing twilight that is a completely accurate metaphor don't don't come at me um I just I just don't care it could be a fake beef it could be real

I just I really I don't I'm not charmed by this I'm not interested no although I am slightly interested in the idea that uh whatever the situation is alex has decided to be like I'm doubling tripling quadrupling down on roger right I'm with him no matter what it doesn't fucking matter who wins a boxing match between Corsi and stone stone they're both old stone you think so you think Corsi's just too slow he can't move man yeah no he's a big pile of goo man yeah but he's probably got a hard right man and stone stone can't punch for shit but stone is quick he's quick on his feet and look he is a rat here's the deal he is a rat fuck Jerome Corsi is one of those guys that if he hits you you're out yeah yeah you're out he's late period george

foreman he can't move but he's still got you never lose the you never lose the right he's he's a guy also who has a lot of endurance in the ring you could punch him 30 times and accounts for one or whatever but i think roger has the stick and move i think he has the stick and move he's quick enough that he could uh he could rope a dope he's got the he's got the ali he's got some floyd mayweather defense level i would take i would take course a course he to lose every time okay every time i just don't care although this is interesting to me on another level and that is when uh steve pacenek started talking about how uh the vegas attack was fake yeah alex threw him under the bus and was like i think he's still doing cia operations right stuff like that when was the last

time we saw pacenek i haven't seen him in a very long time oh man but he never questioned what are the other things that pacenek has told me in the past that sort of thing he just was like all right we're not going to work with him in the future this one time he's a cia operative but at the same time literally everything he said before this moment is still valid and perfect part of my world yeah alex is now throwing coursey out and being like coursey's a weasel he's trying to get roger thrown in prison all this stuff and at no point is he going to do the work of being like i've used him a lot like course he used to work for world net daily i've been using him as a source and before he works for me yeah years and years like he's a huge part a lot of a lot of my fears about

obama right right right right it's crazy that he doesn't consider like oh this guy is now trying to get one of my best friends thrown in prison maybe he's been a bad dude before this he doesn't care at all about that because he doesn't yeah i've never considered this uh like whenever uh jacari sorry sorry hold on real quick yeah it's an indication that they all know they're playing a con yeah yeah yeah absolutely 100 i agree if they thought any of this was real it would be like we need to start analyzing what toxic information this now toxic person brought into my world and he never does that just like with uh just like with a cop uh being dirty for one investigation every investigation that cop has ever done then comes into question you gotta you gotta review

yeah yeah absolutely what i never thought about um is like with with jacari jackson he quit right because fuck info wars i don't want to be the token black guy there i'm not sure that was it it seems like from everything i can tell he had just a problem with the editorial shift that was happening right well and and if it were now it would be but i never considered how it must feel to be fired for being too crazy for info wars like pechenek is literally no longer a guest he's fired because info wars with like your nuts or it no because he wasn't fired even after he after alex stopped talking to him he would still show up on david night's show okay okay he just goes through the junior varsity roster i didn't know that you don't get alex's publicity promotion

or whatever like you don't get that reach but you can still have access to david night or maybe you'll show up on uh the war room fucking everybody has access to david night he needs anything it seems like leo zagami is still like a regular guest on yeah on o and shroyer's show yeah and stuff like that so it's like yeah you keep them in the like sort of the baby kennels right and stuff like that it's like yeah you can't you can't have access to the show that people actually listen to right right you can come we still want whatever this is indication to be and this is i this is irresponsible of me but it smells like pay for play because otherwise don't talk to them if you don't trust them don't let them on any of your shows right instead of like let's take a little bit less

money from them to appear on this show or what it's me it seems like that i bet we could get on o and shroyer's show yeah it would be combative but and i wouldn't want to do it but yeah probably no of course not i don't want to talk to that motherfucker but i bet we could do it the right email could probably get us in there but anyway oh and we're free we have some interesting thoughts on globalists so in that last clip alex indicated that he's turning on uh Jerome Corsi and then in this next clip he makes it pretty clear chicanery all right we're well into the second hour of the first live show i've done in 2019 it is that's news to me i actually didn't realize he said that which means that the episode that i was started to listen to on the first where he's going over 5g

was a clip show and that makes me that makes me feel confused here's two things one i'm glad we didn't go over it could have been could have been pre-recorded yeah that's possible yeah whatever the case it's weird i couldn't tell it doesn't speak highly of his content no it's january 2nd 2019 i'm your host alex jones everyone knows that i'm not an infighter nope yes i don't go after other talk show hosts or other media people that are michael savage everyone and try to hurt them shot unless i know they're full of crap bill o'reilly who else you got i'm gonna do now i like it i'm sure he does love man cow fuck man cow by the way at least 16 17 years and he's a smart guy is he three times he's had number one new york times

bestsellers about obama's birth certificate being fake and john carrey swift boating bought by the code and he's put a lot of accurate information i don't have people on that are involved in this info yeah you do that we have to pause there because your own coursey on the show has specifically talked about how he was trained by edward bernay's yeah so you have this guy who is a trained propagandist edward bernay's put out a book called propaganda that describes the process of it and his whole career we already got we went over that long ago but alex that was a good episode go fuck yourself with the idea of i don't i don't have people on who are in misinformation steve pechenik before you threw him off the show you'd always talk about how he's a psi op guy yeah

he's an information war never involved with this info though the strongest information is the truth right that's why the media is always saying jones admits he's an actor everywhere just that was thousands and thousands of publications over the years every major news show has said it do they show a clip of me saying it no he's your lawyer because they know absolutely well that i try to tell the truth and i get things accurate probably more often than anybody else no it's really funny to hear that halfway through this episode when he said that trump's dad was quarantined for three months on record at ls island there's don't follow up there's three factual problems even with that sentence don't look into it who cares a hundred a hundred cars per city in france

got burned in the past two days per city per city so uh name a city in france again i got a hundred cars leon a hundred cars burned el sas loren no that's a read a hundred cars burn look who gives a shit alex is stupid he's thrown coursey under the bus it's gonna be it's non binding though much like agenda 21 it's non binding they'll be back on show yeah this is nonsense i don't care this would be like if we got into this and we're like look at this roger and of course you're fighting this means something that would be kind of the equivalent of alex getting into palace intrigue of the the trump administration talking about how like we gotta get cushioner out of there he's an evil inflow like who gets a shit all these people are liars it doesn't matter

if they're fighting with each other or working together it doesn't fucking matter who gives a shit the only possibility that i see as being interesting from this and i see no indication of this being forthcoming is that as they start to fight with each other one of them could reveal something accidentally yeah like the idea of what they were doing in the lead up to the 2016 election like that idea like these people who are clearly coordinating with each other in some way like letting slip something that's the only thing i find interesting and and as of yet i haven't seen that but if we're talking about the prisoner's dilemma as being a possibility here yeah yeah we could be in that situation yeah there's a possibility that someone against their own

interest reveals something they shouldn't right i don't see that so at this point this is a zero to me and both of them go fuck themselves right because roger stone and gerome coursey are both well familiar with game theory and have decided that the best way for both of them to win is for them to cooperate with a public appearance of a fight exactly probably yeah i think that that's entirely possible it may not be i don't know but like the the biggest thing i could say is again i don't care right i don't give a shit right what are they fighting with is it like you're lying no you're lying no i don't think so it it's more of a um so roger's allegation is that gerome coursey was willing to lie about roger but not about himself with the special counsel investigation

okay so he and i don't know how he knows that now or what he's basing that on i have no idea the documents are public but i do know that there are texts that have come out between roger and emails between roger and coursey about uh like we need to get ted malik to go talk to our friend at the ecuadorian embassy and stuff like that you know like there is coordination between the two of them in the relevant time frame of the wiki leaks releases and stuff like that yeah like there is something there because we don't have all the information we don't know what it is and it would be stupid for us to speculate but like they were i could have been anybody in that ecuadorian embassy dan totally they were up to

something it's unclear what it is it doesn't really matter we know that alex has taken responsibility for telling roger to coordinate with julie disaj or get up julie disaj and knowing that gerome coursey was also coordinating with roger at the same time who is also an employee of info wars at the same time it's around when gerome coursey became an actual employee of info wars as the washington bureau chief when alex was pretending he was going to start a washington branch of info wars there is there is a lot of stuff that like sort of disconnected pieces and stuff like that but like for us to try and put it into like a harmonious hole would require us to make too many leaps that we can't make there's something going on

but who knows what it is could be could be could be that roger and coursey were conspiring to fuck with alex that's entirely possible that'd be hilarious like it's god that would be the greatest possible that the two of them were incapable of getting in touch with assange or something like that look who knows it like i said i'm going to double down on this irresponsible to speculate too much so let's just stick with what we know a fair we know that alex has a lot of information true a big news story and is always correct or at least way more than everybody else pretty much all the time yeah and this big news story is about to break right now i've got a story so big here that a i have to be careful about what i say for sure generally should be

which you're not going to be this is the incredible when i say incredible i mean super incredible world we live in where things are so volatile summer rage and it's the type of stuff that got andrew breitbart killed whoa heart attack so i will be judicious i will cover the story when we go to the next break and come back you son of a bitch teasing it again but he's already said what the story was he already talked about the idea that these hackers have these documents about 9 11 yeah but he can't tell you now so he thinks that he's doing his same game that he always plays which is tell what the story is but what i'm gonna say about it is what

i'm teasing yeah and he says that he's gonna be judicious about it and be careful he has to be careful about what he says right keep that in which which based on what you said up top suggests he was not very judicious if he's napolitano would say he's in trouble if he's being careful i can't imagine what willy nilly alex would be like i killed jfk so i'm just gonna talk about the story already because it i think this is the best way to do this okay on new year's eve a hacker or group of hackers calling themselves the dark overlord announced that they'd hacked 18 000 pages of emails and disclosure agreements from his cox which is an insurer loyds of london another insurer and hush blackwell a law firm regarding 9 11 they dropped the encrypted files for download with keys

to decrypt a couple of the files uh and those ones that they released aren't really all that damning the this group is saying that that unless their demands are met and they're paid a ransom through bitcoin they will slowly release more decryption keys to reveal more sensitive information they've even invited china russia and even terrorist organizations like isis to bid to receive the documents which should tell you that they're definitely really cool and clearly have america's best interests at heart nicely done fellas it's a classic cyber blackmail operation and there's no evidence as of right now that anything in those supposed 18 000 documents actually prove anything in fact loyds of london and hush blackwell both confirmed that they reviewed

their cyber security and there was no evidence that they'd been breached um the other one man what a bluff this would be if it were a bluff his cox did find that they had been penetrated they had had a hack in april of this year but it's unclear if this has anything to do with that necessarily right possibly could whatever the reality this story is remains to be seen but as of right now there is no reason to report this as coming proof that 9 11 is a false flag the dark overlord has a history of cyber extortion it's kind of what they do and it's a representative a representative of the uk national cyber security center points out that while evidence of the stolen data is often provided by this group quote the volume and sensitivity of the data may be exaggerated

to maximize impact this is what extortionists do they make perceived damage uh they make the idea of the perceived damage that will be done by not complying with their demands seem devastating whether or not what they have lives up to that expectation from an article in forbes quote experts agree the material the dark overlord claims to have is not as game-changing as it seems ian thorton trump the head of cyber security at amtrust international says this latest incident sounds like quote cyber criminal bravado quote the fact that the firms uh are named you know in terms of like his cox and and that makes me want to believe that they've refuted to refuse to pay the ransoms so this is kind of just a pressure tactic from the dark overload to force the ransom

issue okay so you think or so this guy would seem to suggest that these companies have already been contacted by the dark overlord almost certainly and because they reject today okay yeah got that is what cyber security experts uh and people who have studied uh the tactics of extortionists on the yeah yeah uh do believe and so everybody who's actually chimed in on this and like you know official capacities people who know what's going on like yeah this just seems like a pattern that the dark overlord has because spoiler alert their group uh or a person it's unclear who's existed for a long time they leaked a season of uh uh orange is the new black that they had hacked oh yeah before they held it for ransom of course and then pays the pay like they released the

it's not like they don't have hacking capabilities yeah now clearly there are other instances of them not having as good of stuff as they pretend to yeah when the extortion uh uh demands aren't met but that they're still around after being in operation for so long and that's so long but a while yeah but a while yeah uh suggest one they're they're good enough to escape uh so far uh we don't know how long that will last for sure but two because they have so many publicized failures it would suggest to me that they probably have a few unpublicized successes i don't know it's possible it's possible but there's also it also indicates to me that it is obviously more than one person because i think the character of the different things that they've done over the years yeah

have been so different uh it's all extortion related basically but the the having the goods are not having the goods right so variable between uh different campaigns right quotes that it makes me think there's probably some people who uh operate under that moniker who are like yep you got it you do have the season of oranges the new black and then there are people who are like they don't have all of the or they do have like things that they hacked from uh like a like a hospital database or something like that sure sure sure but it's not what they say it is it's not as damning as they say it is right so the idea here is that with these 9-11 documents that they have they're presenting it in a way that is like this will bring up bring down this corrupt

system yeah prove that 9-11's a false flag and all this shit yeah yeah but it could just be that they have these um it like these insurance uh like it could very well be that they hacked insurance memos and stuff like that from people in like long protracted court cases right that don't demonstrate that 9-11 was fake right but might be embarrassing to people or might be their private business in the streets and stuff like that no one wants that but it's the over promising that you hope will get you your extortion demand yeah yeah yeah now the other thing that's important to consider about this is that they're asking for bitcoin which is a red flag because right now bitcoin's going through some trouble i don't know if you know that and most people who would be

i have not heard anything about bitcoin for the last year i assume it has just kept going up baby through the roof uh most people who work in like cyber espionage uh or like uh like understand to that world wouldn't probably want their money in bitcoin they'd probably want it uh through another unmarked bills much less traceable cyber currency because there's tons of them yeah i usually get my 10 million dollars through paypal and there's no specified amount which implies that the amount would be known to the people at those organizations or whatever right which does also imply uh previous contact yeah so there's a lot going on here that like it has the look of someone who well obviously the dark overlord is a extortion operation so you have that and then

you have on top of that a history of often over promising and under delivering yeah so you have that and then you have asking for the money in bitcoin which makes you think that if the dark overlord is a group then what you have is probably the lesser part of that group or maybe the weaker part of that group because they're asking for it in bitcoin as opposed to one of these other more safe more protected less traceable uh and like what oh there's tons of them i don't know yeah i can't that's what that's what i'm interested in now that i know that there are more protected more there's better than there's so many yeah there's so many cool not it like bitcoin's the one that took off because it became so much like out of nowhere became well because

there's a lot of fraudsters out there did the pump and upstamp yeah yeah yeah the whole thing there is that which led to bitcoin being the most prominent piece of it but there's so many other ones that you could use there are also indications that i was reading about that like we are now at a place where bitcoin can possibly be traceable so like people in intelligence could trace if these if this person really wanted their money in bitcoin yeah it wouldn't be the safe option for them and if they were the part of this elite hacker uh thing yeah they would know that for sure yeah they would never want their money in bitcoin right so there are red flags and questions about it if i had to guess i would say yeah they probably uh got old of some documents

yeah they're over inflating what they have uh because they want to make a uh bunch of money hopefully good on them but also are uh not the best cyber terrorists in the world because they're asking for it in bitcoin yeah it leads me to believe that that's sort of the picture we got right i don't know but right i don't know well but if they have prove if they have see here's the thing though if they have 18 000 documents that prove 9 11 was an inside job right i really hope nobody pays the ransom right right isn't that the isn't that this is how i would this isn't how i would want it to go but yeah but that's the greatest fucking public service you could possibly do i strongly disagree only because of the memes of doing it because of the extortion

oh no no no i i agree i agree with that part yeah no i'm with you i'm talking about the other governments and the terrorists not buying it their public service is being like i'm calling your bluff and our public word gain is holy shit 9 11 was a fucking inside job were someone to be a benevolent hacker in some way and come up with that information and leak it through uh channels that could vet it right there be like an actual i don't know what would it be like i it would be unprecedented in many ways like the like that sort of operation that involved like really committed principled journalists like that sort of thing yeah that were the path it went yeah i'd be interested in that somewhat right the fact that it's some unnamed hacker or collective

that is looking to enrich themselves and offering to sell this to isis yeah it makes me think like you probably it's probably a scam it's probably a lot of a scam almost certainly and it and it's trading on uh conspiracy theories right uh and i just on the other hand on the other hand i like the other hand maybe the biggest problem that would weren't in Bernstein uh really encountered with deep throat is not fucking selling the information in the first place they could be rich as fuck i think nixon might still be president i think they did okay i i i mean they did okay but they could have been they could have been but that's that's the flip side of it is like let's imagine they do have proof that 911 was fake and someone in the cabal yeah is the ransom and then no one

ever knows aren't they just as evil as the cabal oh perhaps more so none of this has played out in in any way there's no proof that they've like put out that 911 is fake it's all the what if what's in those documents right right alex is being tricked by this again he gets tricked by this a lot this sort of the uh sort of the schrodinger's cat kind of thing the like what could be in that box yeah and uh if i'm china i'm i'm thinking i can take a i can take a loss on this one right like how much could they possibly be asking totally how much could they possibly be asking for and even if it's not true it's like what we spent 10 million we look we look foolish but it's like it's like you have a you have like i don't know a pair yeah the pot is too big the pot is too big this guy bets

like 50 grand at you you got i don't know a million dollars in chips yeah you're like i shouldn't pay 50 grand i know i've lost but whatever fuck it why not exactly it's that sort of like strategy the bet is too weak no matter what amount they're asking for if that is real then yes china or russia would be for it to use against them like it would destroy america if it's real that is worth a trillion fuck it that's worth the gdp of the united states especially for these places that don't want american influence to be in places where they seek influence exactly it would be the fucking greatest thing ever yeah so it can't be real i know we're we're sort of dancing around a ton of issues but like all of them are important in their

own way because they're all demonstrative of how like if you just critically think about this for a second there's no way this is real yeah there's no reason to suspect it's real because it's being put out by a cyber extortion racket who are known for extortion exactly and so like it's just it's interesting that this is alex's big news i thought whenever he started talking about it it was going to be some sort of like hooray for this yeah and that makes sense for sure but the way he covers it i was never prepared for this this is the most i i hate how i always say everything is like a superlative you've got a lot of superlatives over the two years we've been doing this because alex keeps blowing my mind like when i was listening to this there's no way i could have expected

this to be his position on it all right he's so crazy here we go listen to this so here's the zero hedge articles zero hedge dot com upon news wars dot com and info wars dot com this is a big deal not just this story but how hackers can get into these systems and then use it and then the fact that trump has said look out i'll release the 9 11 info on the clinton's and the bushes and trump has come out and said there's more than one way to declassify illegal spying on me and how you fund the taliban and al qaeda and now isis and i've said for a good year trump should just through patriots in us intelligence agencies that already have all this put it out as if they're hackers and then have the cover story that they're putting a ransom out of

these companies but really it's just a way to bring attention to it and then release it because they can't release it these law firms no matter what happens they're not going to release it they'll get payoffs in the back in my view because you cannot release it it's too damning bombs in the buildings you black ops all of it are you understanding what he's saying because okay this is the most fucked up thing imaginable okay or the the worst way to cover this story would be to say this is trump so so what he's saying is that trump wants to release the 9 11 is an inside job document you bet from these insurers and one law firm right but he can't because the lawyers would get in the way so instead he is or congress he later says congress

might okay congress congress might get in the way a lot of lawyers in congress oh you don't think that congress might be like hey let's not put out the 9 11 was an inside job shit right right uh which can they do if you're the president you can just declassify whatever you want you bet that's part of the rule you bet like if jfk was an inside job tomorrow trump could be like hey jfk is an inside job simply by saying it it is declassified i mean we went through this uh horse and pony show like six months ago and alex was like he's about to declassify everything about jfk and he's like nah nah yeah he can't do that with the stroke of a pen it's not it but it would be politically out of backlash it would be politically suicide for him for him to actually i kind of think that

might be the best move for him like politically for for most people if he just revealed that jfk was an inside job i think even i would be like hey good on you man if you want to change my position on trump i mean i'd still like think he was a bigot and a dick because he is but if you wanted to change the legacy to a complicated legacy yeah all it would take is for him to declassify jfk documents that prove that the government was behind it yep and prove that 9 11 the government was behind it and then him die but that's all it would yeah yeah no stroke of a pen he declassifies all that it goes out publicly the globalists kill him because then it would be like huh exactly right wouldn't everybody have to go like i

get it i don't like on his last so if he loses in 2020 it would his last day should be that if if it's true his last day because he's fucking trump he doesn't give a shit it's i was already said he's ready to die yeah out of spite trump should release the america has done all the inside jobs why not yeah that'd be great why not do it instead he has hired a group or perhaps created a group of hackers no which over the past which over the past couple of years has been a cyber extortion group that's all that's all at the behest of trump in order to build a backstory so he can then release the 9 11 was an inside job story through them there's a lot of problems there's a lot of problems in this story a lot of real world problems with this narrative that

alex is embarking on and i would say don't do this i would say don't do this because he is very clearly saying that like this is not a hacking group this is this is trump yeah and in this next clip he makes clear uh and implicates himself in having advanced knowledge of this so pay the f up that's the headline hackers threaten to dump secret 9 11 attack files if bitcoin ransom not met we'll be providing many answers about 9 11 conspiracies through our 18 000 secret documents leak from et his cox comms and others doesn't even know a hacking collective known as the dark overlord i wonder who that is sorry on new year's eve that it had broken into the computer systems i already have it all this is this is parallel construction only the government will understand

the stuff i'm saying but that's who this is for i get it sorry i want to draw myself a little bit of glee here just have a little bit of mental orgasm let me stop so he says that i would i would military understand what he's talking about is like it's a parallel construction what he's saying is that like all of these like these people are creating this hacker identity in order to uh like have a parallel for the release of the documents okay so is he they already had these people he's going to spell it out in the next clip but what he's saying is that these are good to people within the intelligence community who are doing this but they can't do it themselves with the documents so they create this parallel construction of this hacking narrative these

hackers have done this yeah in order for it to be deflected onto that for their actions which they need to do because they're good people within the intelligence community okay so he's his knowing laugh isn't the qanon his knowing laugh is i wonder who these people are obviously it's the government right not like people with no it's the steve pechenek counter yeah yeah all over again it's not like he actually knows who these guys are he's definitely implying that he does yes but he's he's thinking it's the government right good to people within the intelligence right right right yes the uh at the behest of trump right yes absolutely yeah that is that is the narrative that he's putting gotcha i don't believe his narrative at all absolutely not that's because

it's dumb it is dumb so let's let's listen to this next clip real quick where alex just spells it out a little more before we get too deep into it a hacking collective i am as the dark overlords or patrice in us intelligence oh sorry announced on new year's eve that had broken into the computer systems you mean they had it all day one of the law firm and obtained files related to the september 11 the tax what did i tell you about a month ago you can go pull the interviews up i said ready for all the 911 stuff to come out he always says that though it doesn't matter i know never forget oh but of course the president's not involved i'm listen i'm telling the president everybody else release everything now just battle slave them we need to crush them complete

avalanches unstoppable forget playing games fire it will let's go let's get it on my god we're on the attack here let's not playing games we have them no you don't but like so my position very clearly is that this is a uh extortion group on the internet um and they're probably playing with fire a little bit but they've done that many times in the past yeah they've seemed to be okay that they've avoided detection for this long is spectacular on the hackers are pretty good at what they do you know like it's generally you know you have a lot of ways to hide uh your identity right it's you know there's very gifted uh folk but they got the they got the anonymous people pretty early on by turning uh one of those dudes right but you had to find that dude first

if you if you right if you uh make steps to make sure no one gets detected you know if you do that in the same way that like uh you know Lloyds of London said no one came into our right we know that because we have a pretty good security infrastructure and we can trace if there's any uh so either they're the best security hackers or it's possible yeah who knows but but see the problem there is to avoid detection is switching the game like it's far easier to hack people because you're playing offense there you get the first move right but in order to avoid detection then you switch to defense and you don't get the first move it's far easier to hack than it is to avoid being hacked right but if you are a collective of hackers or even just one person who's pretty

talented at it you don't start doing the offensive stuff without a good defensive position no of course so you all right like that's implied in right act of hacking right i just want to talk about how Magnus Samuelson wound up let's talk about Lord Nikon policy wonk Lord Nikon listen it's it's irrelevant it really is because that's my position that this is what the situation is from everything i can tell from everybody who i've i've read talk about this who has expertise in uh cyber espionage and that sort of thing that's the position that's being put forth that's what i think is probably the case and the fact that no one seems to be worried about this yeah that's a big issue you know you don't you don't see like because if it were real it would

have been paid for immediately or you would have instantaneously you have given up although at the same time possibly paying an extortioner it only leads to a worse extortion it's still it's either going to be more extortion or it's going to be they're going to release it anyway it's why you never go along with blackmail because generally when someone's blackmailing you if you give into the first stage of the blackmail yeah that act will be used as the second stage of blackmail of course so you just take the hit the first time someone threatens you the the real information is far less damaging than the ongoing blackmail exactly yeah so with that aside this is just nonsense absolutely but the the problem comes when alex's narrative about it

is that it's good guys within the intelligence community now we don't know that i don't know anything it's possible no nope but in a hypothetical world it's possible but in a high because we don't live within born identity or whatever but we're living in alex's space right now so let's engage with him on his turf sure so if that is possible that is crazy illegal that is insanely illegal alex is implying that he knows about this is thrilled about it and trump is in on it if all of i mean his it's not true but of course what he's saying is true what he's doing on his radio show right now is implicating trump in a huge fucking national security issue yeah because these people are offering to sell this information to fucking isis yeah so if trump is behind that

trump has trump is got isis is dirty shit up his asshole yeah i mean i think that really what was going on here is alex doesn't have a full grasp of the facts he heard that someone is offering 9-11 factual information and all that he got a heart on and then he's giving it out and he's starting to he's starting to i think probably he might still be in touch with steve pechenek or maybe roger's doing this who knows yeah one of his dumb assholes who he talks to behind the scenes has created this narrative for him that it's the good guys in intelligence who are doing this because it fits so much into his spy movie reality right fits into just everything that he lives about but here this next clip is super important before before you go any further

let me let me just say here's my other uh kind of thought about this is that as much and as often as he has tried to jump on the q anon train and like uh use that to bolster his credibility he wants to own it he's not doing it so he creates his own yeah what is q anon other than q is trump and he's releasing all that is part of the q anon stuff too that q is working with trump or is trump right like even in their world but he's trying to own it yes my is my i mean we've seen that since i mean it's been like most of this last year yeah in terms of his zack narratives and stuff like that it's always been an embracing of how popular q anon is on the internet but never wanting to get in with it because he wants to own it right it's the same thing with his position towards

bitcoin quite frankly is the idea of like i don't want to get involved with that i want to get involved with max coin or gold like it's just i want i want the benefit of what makes you afraid and gets you into this yeah but i don't want to lower myself right i want to own it i don't jump on trains i run them exactly i'm the ringmaster gotcha now the okay the only reason i was barreling towards the next clip is because i think it proves that alex doesn't know what he's talking about okay i think it's just that he's he's talking shit he's found these stray variables that he can work into a narrative and some worm tongue is whispering in his ear this is about the good people in intelligence i'm sorry i interrupted you i just wanted to make no i just i wouldn't be wild

diversion i just want to be clear on that because i wasn't yeah yeah no no i think it was a rare not rare rare good interruption from george medium rare no no no put it on the board no i'm i'm saying it's less uh it's less than a rare it's medium frequency that when you interrupt me there's a good point but that was a good point thank you very much it's worthwhile we can continue doing this for another episode so i just think this is demonstrative that alex doesn't know the situation he just has a narrative in mind uh because he says this you know i can spend about an hour just on what dark overlord means it's not saying they're dark overlord was the invasion of normandy against hitler overlord oh boy there's good people overlording with darkness oh boy it means

overriding the darks what that means if you flip it but he doesn't seem to recognize in any way that dark overlord is a hacking organization that has existed and extorted people for years like he does he's he's not dealing with this in any real way like he's acting like it's somebody that popped up now with something that you sort of obliquely refer referenced earlier the idea that like trump created this uh extortion outfit as a cover or whatever a few years ago right that might be what he would have to go to as his defense but that's flimsy we're anybody to call him right yeah that's what he's held this is an entity that has existed on the internet and alex has never been aware of it but he now is um and he's trying to create this like it's all the symbology

of the name it's you know it's dark but you flip the dark like which is the qanon justification i mean it is it is the it is the same thought process 100% he wants that world so badly but he can't handle not being the head of it right like he yells all the time i'm the head of i i behind 9 11 truth i'm the original qanon that whole thing yeah yeah yeah for sure yeah it's uh i mean pride comes before the fall or after or in between the middle of the fall because pride comes a lot of places during the fall and uh it is it is weird knowing the full context because were you to not have the full context of his jealousy pettiness his uh need to get attention combined with the fact that qanon is far more popular amongst his own fans than even he is at

this point if you didn't realize that you'd think that he was coming up with a completely normal conspiracy theory whereas within the full context we realize how pathetic and weak bullshit this really is well i think that even qanon's bullshit is pathetic and weak but i think even without that context you could very easily see how weak this is just if you understand what dark overlord is doing and the history of extortion and all that right i think you could but most people don't have that context either well they could find it with a quick google search but i think what you add to it from our show and the the time that we've spent looking at alex you see the even if you take um like the reality of qanon out of this right you do have consistent

trends of alex being so jealous of this internet world that he doesn't have yeah sort of ownership of oh my god these these four chan places and and and reddit these communities where he's not like able to dictate the this you know it's the same thing that he used to feel about the mainstream media like in 2009 there's so many resentments that he doesn't control the narrative we don't control this and even as trump was coming into relevance in 2015 there were so many times that would him and oan shroyer would be like you now the mainstream media you don't control what we're talking about we do yeah that sort of thing and i think there's a snake eating its own tail in some ways in terms of the alternative media that alex now recognizes that the alternative stuff is also out of his

control yeah yeah that is now like he also doesn't control that so six nine months ago or so whenever he's getting mad at qanon at the first point he's mad about that because it is that recognition right but he's never stopped trying to take exactly what qanon is talking about right and make it his shit of course and he knows better than them yes yes the thing that must most infuriate him is the actual a non part of q because if it was if there was a head if there was a name like it for instance glenn beck he would not be trying to co-opt it beckon he would be attacking every but he would find the guy he would be like this guy's full of bullshit this guy is not the guy you want to follow you want to stick with me the fact that it's a non and there's no one

personally for him to attack the mystery need to take it over the mystery allows the space wherein he can own it yes because he can't own glenn beck well at the same time glenn beckon insult it he could he does insult it a little yeah yeah but he insults he insults the institution of it but he doesn't insult necessarily the idea behind it right he just tries to co-opt the idea behind it with right an appearance of elevation with like yeah no no no you guys qanon is is steering you down dumb tracks yeah i've got zack who's totally real you know what's strange to me is his best move to fight against qanon well actually you know what it's not strange because the best move to fight against qanon is to actually go into the history of q and how it's this book

from the 80s and all of these things tracks also a weird character on star track exactly it's got this whole long history of being full of bullshit of course he should do that i guess if he wants to discredit it but at the same time he can't do it because that's a it's a trump positive entity yeah and it's a great conspiracy it's a mythology that is so trump-centric right were he to attack that he would call into a question a lot of the other trump narratives that he has and further more which is problem that if he starts debunking conspiracy theories instead of joining them he's fucked right so this story like big picture yeah i think we already know what we think i think you're welcome to disagree with me if you want but i think we agree it's a cyber extortion

ring that disagree okay we kind of now that i'm welcome to i will we kind of see what alex's take on it is and what he's saying is really dangerous only in uh in a sense that like if like when goose for 2.0 started to come around no one really understood what it was yeah but then as investigation started to happen and they started to trace the the vpns and like the the logins of the person presenting themselves let's goose for 2.0 and they found that it were it was like legit gru offices and like that sort of thing that's when it became like okay this is a this is a cut out yeah for i'm not saying that um this hacking operation is that i have no idea and i have no reason to think that but i think alex is playing with fire unnecessarily because there is a chance

that it is a cyber extortion racket and he's just lying about it and then good day to you yeah no consequence for that that's whatever it's fine hey you're having a great day in the world we live in now especially it's really risky to associate yourself with people like this or stories like this oh yeah because what if it does turn out that you people are able to trace these uh these hacks people are able to trace the people behind it someone accidentally didn't sign into their vpn one time yeah you know you got the laptop where the hacking happened like like there is a decent chance that it could turn out you are now associating yourself and telling a story about something that links you to a fucking international felony i wouldn't say it's possible like i don't know

i wouldn't even say it's a decent chance i would say it's a massive overwhelming chance because if there was not overwhelming chance that that will those that information will come out oh no no but that's what i'm but yeah that you will be caught for it because if there were i i'm not suggesting that there isn't some hacker that is the best there's ever been who at cyber distort at cyber extortion but if you're talking about actual 9-11 is proof documents right that means that every fucking hacker uh at within the chinese government is going to be motherload yeah it's going to be trying to break it every hacker in russia is going to be trying to break it every hacker in the united states every other country for every not just those two for every single government

everybody they've ever had who is any good at cyber security would be searching for this one guy or it would also or and both yeah and or it would become a bidding war between clandestine cutouts of all of these governments for sure like everybody would want it no one would want a bid on it so there would be all these various like fronts yeah where you would like launder weird cryptocurrency through and it would turn into yeah absolutely they'd get a trillion fucking dollars for it and we'd never hear about it yeah yeah no no if they were the single greatest hacker in history maybe there's a 10 chance they can pull this off if there are anything less than that the combined cyber securities of all the all the world's governments would probably get to you

because we're recording this on thursday night on we have not seen the documents released yet well i've i've seen i've seen pieces of the stuff that have been decrypted right i'm sorry we haven't seen the end of american civilization right because we know it yeah we don't know how this story is going to play out and it will be interesting to see how it does because there's a real decent chance this is going to be a fart in the wind and it'll be a nothing 100 much like the antifa soros documents and stuff like that which alex will just later bring up as proof of things without without ever ever being anything meaningful of course but i don't know i don't know as a human being as someone who can only go on the facts on the ground sure there's a chance that this proves 9 11 very small

chance and if it if it is strapping well we got a fucked up time ahead of us well and the greatest whistleblowers of all we have snowden we have manning we have reality winner we have these people their move wasn't secret hacking their move was being within the very agencies and and getting the documents that way yeah and that's why the people who um are heroically by the way well but that's why the people who are so manipulatively like trying to deflect attention from the the wiki leaks and the the dnc hacks that's why seth rich is such an important piece of their narrative yeah because he would fit that mold right of someone inside who was a whistleblower right but they have no evidence of that right but that's why that's why they are so disgraceful on

that front um but sorry for again no it's all right as it relates to 9 11 we have uh this next clip where um alex talks about trump visa v 9 11 and how much of a genius he was back in 2011 oh god 2001 trump was not involved in all this he went on television the day after and and six days after 9 11 and said there were bombs in the buildings should we queue it up and play it again for you you probably should um so real quick trump did suggest an interview on 9 11 that he thought there were that this is a problem well what do you mean i just mean that it's it's strange to imagine that our president is a 9 11 truther well he wasn't back then yeah uh and alex is presenting that he is because i've gone back and listened to the yeah that's what he's saying but trump

thought that the terrorists had bombs on the planes because he was suspicious about the idea of the iron uh and steel girders yeah like it wasn't about the idea that the building fell down if you listen to the actual interviews it's about the penetration into the building he was talking about how the windows were so narrow in world trade center buildings and it was because of all of the iron he's talking about how the building was built from the outside in in terms of the the structure of it there were so many steel beams that they couldn't have wide windows and that's what he was talking about he was talking about the idea that it's strange that a plane was able to fly into it and penetrate those steel beams he suggested that there were bombs not that there

were bombs at the bottom or whatever to bring it down but that the planes had bombs also to increase the impact in order to allow them to penetrate those steel beams he did say that in an interview what if they were just flying at 30 000 miles an hour oh you bet that's a possibility let's talk to some uh fucking aviation and uh engineering people you can it seems like if you're flying really really fast and i don't know a lot about physics and hey you know what maybe this one time because trump is a real estate magnet even though he's a complete failure in a pile of shit and he doesn't pay his contractors perhaps he has some engineering that i don't have or some engineering knowledge that i bet he does know more than you yeah but not more than i

expect that yeah i expect that somewhere in the however a plane flying 30 000 miles per hour is a pretty good penetrating object i'm not sure that's the speed they're flying but yes absolutely it is it does seem like it would be equivalent to a bomb yeah 30 000 miles an hour might be too but that statement that he made isn't indicative that he thought that there was some sort of inside conspiracy or anything like that yeah it is just sort of a wrestling with the idea that this happened yeah like if you listen to that interview that is what you come away from it with oh also in an interview why don't i say 30 000 miles per hour that's like a thing of 30 000 feet yeah yeah that's that's like a rocket yeah never mind also in an interview hours after the attacks

he said quote 40 wall street actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan trump replied and it was actually before the world trade center was the tallest and then when they built the world trade center it became known as the second tallest and now it's the tallest also for fun just to be petty even after 9 11 40 wall street wasn't the tallest building in downtown Manhattan that honor goes to 70 prime so trump's building what he was bragging about wasn't even the tallest but on 9 11 hours after the attack his response was well now my building is the tallest and also that's definitely not because he's a fucking psychopath also a fun fact about 40 wall street uh he only bought that because uh ferdinand marcos uh of the philippines yeah the

dictator he uh embezzled millions and millions of dollars from his country and then hid it by buying real estate in new york nah come on and 40 wall street was one of the buildings that he bought now what and then it didn't really work out and he went you know got in trouble about all that stuff and then the building fell into dis repair and so trump was able to buy it like for cheap yeah he's able to buy it really cheap and rehabilitated as the trump building and then for years it's housed tons of criminals tons of criminals so many people not people necessarily but businesses that have been housed in 40 wall street have been indicted it's crazy i don't know if every building in new york has that kind of batting average i don't know but their batting

average looks bad also trump university their address was 40 wall street that's so much like a horror movie house that's so much like a haunted house where it's like oh this corrupt fascist bought it and then died and the ghosts of corrupt fascists have existed and fucking infiltrated everyone who's lived into that building since it's hard not to look at it that way and then the added layer on that that's really fun and i don't think this means anything but it's super fucking weird is that roger stone through black manifort and stone his old lobbying group they used to do a they used to do a ton of musical called black metaphor before that they like before uh ferdan and marcos went down and all that yeah they used to be employed as lobbyists marcos damn it so like

before all of that roger stone was involved in lobbying for this brutal fucking dictator who embezzled a ton of money and also had a habit i don't know if you know this of like taking political dissidents in the middle of the night and then dismembering their bodies no come on like just taking them and like disfiguring them and shit and then leaving them out in public for other people to find as a message about what happens like fucking mexican cartels kind of like that yeah as a message of what happens if you uh it was called salvaging oh my god he was doing that while roger stone was a lobbyist for him and roger doesn't seem to give a shit about that and it's interesting that he took this money that he embezzled and then bought 40 wall street

didn't work out and then trump ended up buying it i honestly don't think that there's any like one-to-one connection there right like that somehow roger stone spiritually there's definitely connection spiritually yes but like i don't think that i'm not trying to present a conspiracy where like roger stone was lobbying for this guy absolutely wall street and then yeah yeah there's a meaningful connection there yeah but it is so interesting it's so interesting that that history is just it's a coincidence that kind of makes you think that all evil is is just at least knows each other so we have one last clip and i'll say that i only got about maybe like just shy of two hours into this episode before like i was like i have too many clips like if i keep going through this

episode we're just going to end up in uh who knows and whatever he says can't be worse than what he's saying already like he's already implying that trump is behind these hacks and right right what are you going to do to more complicate this uh this narrative and so we end with trump hired an irussian team to pull this off already kind of implied that no collusion so anyway here's here's alex celebrating uh his coup of some sort like he's he's delivered this narrative perfectly hurrah this this is this is the stuff that victory is made of is of course the president has nothing to do why just release the documents through congress they're all crapping themselves oh hackers are going to release it now i'm vibing on this song that's a good vibe i'm going to be honest i'm

vibing on that song yeah i uh i just this bums me out not not like because it's a bomber but just because like i don't like to see i don't like to see this celebration because i know it's so short live and it's fake it's transient like i i know i've listened to so much of alex's show that like i can't even be happy for him like i know that within a week now i kind of can i know that within a week this is just going to become a waypoint for him you know it's just going to become another like little narrative that didn't work out that he will yell back about whenever he needs to reinforce another point in the future of course i just i i just it's it's a bummer it's a bummer and then i think this is something that we don't talk about a ton generally because it's never as

explicit but like what we've talked about in a little bit already is that this this is such a pathetic attempt to reclaim qanon stuff that it's it's it's it's a see-through bummer yeah it's i don't know how to put it it's just it i i leave this cold because i on one level i'm super happy about the idea that like in the same way that on christmas eve alex said that he told roger to talk to sange you know like that that sort of thing i feel like this is in in par with that like he's revealing that someone told him something were he to be correct this is the biggest crime he could possibly commit but even if he is not correct he's revealing that someone told him this someone absolutely is feeding this to him this isn't his own analysis right well at the very least somebody

is telling him that somebody else is telling him this lie though which is which begs the question of who's telling him this bullshit lie there is something behind this there's someone behind this who is feeding this narrative to him and i'm not sure who it is but it's someone who doesn't have alex's best interest at heart absolutely and i enjoy that on one level but i also don't because there's so little legs to this like there's two ways this possibly can play out yeah actually there's probably like three or four but two main ways this can play out and one is these people who are in this hacking collective get arrested that's one possible affinive the most likely i see that is kind of unlikely maybe someone in it will get arrested but if someone gets arrested everyone

gets arrested sure that's the way hacking collectives work possibly i think you're i think you're right generally but who but who knows right that's one possible way to go to no one pays the the fucking ransom and this fizzles out a couple of more decryption keys come out that show other documents that don't prove anything about nine eleven right and then the story just sort of disappears right or three they have proof of nine eleven which wow which do you think i i think is more like good on you four they have proof that hillary clinton was in the world trade center and the only reason that she lost the presidency was because she died in 2001 9 11 hillary clinton ghost number five what's number five very close to four okay hillary was in the building but she

precipitated the 9 11 attacks because she needed the circumstances with which she could do the exact necessary pagan ritual in the basement with linda bloodworth thomas okay the producer of designing women naturally they did a witch uh ceremony in the basement while the building was coming down because they needed that much loss of blood all right in order to provide the pagan sacrament that she would be required to have in order to lose the 2016 election i don't number six the elevator was slow so she got the towers to fall down so she could get to the base faster number seven something else i don't know like i don't think that there's any legs to this other than propaganda like that's the only thing i guess i'm really saying i think we can clown on stuff and we can

we can have fun but like i really don't think if i i see a lot of the world and and i see a lot of failed attempts at things yeah like narratives trying to be launched yeah of course a lot of the time we don't even talk about it because who gives a shit yeah but this to me it just stinks of a zero it stinks of something that only exists to provide fodder for people like alex 100 conservative propagandist absolutely right wing propagandists um these people doing it the hackers they're not doing it i don't think in order to be of service to alex they're doing it because they want that extortion money of course and so you have two teams working sort of out of sorts with each other yeah like they are creating that which alex needs but they don't give a shit about that right

they want their money and they'll disappear as soon as the money isn't there of course so that that's kind of what i think uh the only two thoughts i have on this is um i i mean here's here's the worst part against all of my better judgment against my hope that the worst things happen to alex i do i do kind of like that he's happy about this he's been so depressed for so long he's been so miserable and it's kind of like look this is garbage it's not gonna go anywhere you really gotta quit but i'm glad you got a day you know this is the danger though of living on a prayer he would say you know like he's living for that rush of the of the narrative of course because the the world in in its real form is is so bad and and not going the way he wants right

he is forced to demonize muslims who throw fireworks and stuff like that or lionize and make a hero out of bolsanaro who's someone who he definitely shouldn't he's absolutely made a hero about a racist rapist fascist bigot monster yeah absolutely yeah fascist like someone who literally stands for everything alex's career should be against yeah but white people aren't in place and he doesn't really care right so like he has to do those things because everything is so bad in a real world place for him yeah and this is what's so weird about the world is like it's bad for everyone yeah like like the lgbt community uh everyone is everyone people people in general are having a bad time yeah alex is also having a bad time as evidenced by how

desperate he is right to feel happy about a cyber extortion group they're doing great heroes his narratives at the behest of trump they must be proof of my grand conspiracy that i have been putting forth and i'm mad that q anon is kind of co-opting and i must now reclaim the fact that he's he's there is just like you're not having fun either yeah we could all be having fun if we work towards a better future right um so i don't know i don't know how to put a button on this but i'm i'm delighted and also sad on on on equal levels of this uh this beginning to 2019 right here's my button here's my button no dark overlord button yeah that's a fair button that's a fair button happy new year dad thank you happy new year the secret of 2019 is oh the secret of 2019 is Lionel

this is not good it's fine i think it's a good i think it's good content and everything and and checking in with alex and seeing where he's at like but if he's bris if he's bringing this to like the beginning of the year i mean there's like seven to ten things we've talked about that he's just like way off on and then his big story is this cyber espionage group as he's presenting which is actually a uh extortion racket yeah a group of kidnappers like if they weren't extortion blackmailers on the cyber net right now they would have been kidnappers in the 90s when mel Gibson was making movies spiritually similar we probably don't have the balls to grab somebody yeah you know it's yeah yeah i mean it's not great it's not a great sign my button is this

uh too dark overlord whether you be a man a woman a collective or your pronoun is different this was a bad idea because once you start once you start tossing it once you start tossing 9 11 around and documents proving that it was an inside job even if you're lying lot more people are paying attention man it's true a lot more people are paying attention you if you're gonna cyber extort dude keep it on the low level the consequences of playing this game are a little bit more than probably you want to reference a uh mike sheen joke stick with the mid-level terrorists you know again we got three hostages we'll give them to you for 90 grand how about that what do i got to do to get you out

of here with a hostage today like stay in turn to a car dealer yeah stay in the mid-range that's where you want to go yeah this sort of idea of like i have proof of the grandest conspiracy at the world of all super power yeah it's like what that what that would give you as a power chip is unbelievable the entire world yeah as a power chip that gives you the world you now get to choose the next superpower basically yeah essentially that's what you do right yeah there's no there's no way you as this hacker get to choose who is the next ascendant power you get there's no way if you can prove that 9 11 was an inside job that you don't instantly become the most powerful human being on the planet yeah because what you do is that you have that which will destroy the super

power you know what i'm saying yeah like yeah instantaneously there's no way the news cycle doesn't get oh destroyed when they find out that fucking g-dubs and cheney orchestrated 9 11 and when that happens we'll talk about it and when that doesn't happen alex will stop talking about it yep anyway um we'll be back uh with another episode but for now this has been what alex is doing in the present day indeed we have a website knowledgefight.com he's been he's happier in the present day than we've seen him in months only during that applause yeah thing only when he's relishing this idea that he has secret information that these there's supposed inside patriots are doing this right when they're not it's a fucking extortion racket it is nice to know that consistently

about something that's not real but which doesn't count that's what i'm saying the only consistent trend we've seen throughout alex jones's entire career is knowing laughter price edges him being the most wrong any human being could ever be and him falling ass backwards into a criminal investigation indeed we have a twitter account as well that's true we're on uh we're we're at our website is knowledgefight.com it is we're on twitter it's knowledge underscore fight we got a facebook group called go home and tell your mother you're Lionel that's right uh and uh you will be releasing the wiki on the seventh i really need to keep i'm gonna say this on every monday right i'm gonna say this on every episode because there's a part of me that suspects that when the seventh comes

you'll say it you're not ready i'm not backing it up i'm not backing out on that i just needed a tiny bit more time january seventh the most comprehensive and fucking uh what what other adjectives could you describe it it's not comprehensive here's why it is insanely comprehensive we only so far as no one has ever done this shit before and i'll be god damned if you're false modesty it's not false modesty it's it's only this is fucking incredible it is incredible but i'm only trying to qualify it in a certain way and that is to say that the only things that will be covered when we launch this are the things that we know about and on our show we haven't covered a great deal of alex jones's career so what i would like it to be is a full compendium of

everything alex jones but we haven't covered his entire career so did you just robert gates me there are known knowns there are known unknowns and then there's unknown unknowns who are you robert gates oh no shit rumsfeld man i know god damn it i wish i assumed he was already dead and murdered by a roving band of people who gave a shit about the world but there are there are unknowns whether known or unknown oh yeah of course and so i it would be irresponsible of me to launch into a like the website and the wiki and all that stuff will cover the information that we are able to cover in a meaningful way but to say it's comprehensive i do appreciate that and i think it's comprehensive to some extent but i don't want to oversell it and say like because they like i haven't covered the

boston bombing i know i know the alex is there in that we will that will be there once we cover it i know that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying it's frustrating to me that's so many fucking the caveat needs to be there for the listener look it's the washington post is behind a paywall you can go fuck yourself that is fair yeah that is fair but the information there will be great and yeah that's coming on seven the only reason that i pushed it back is to celebrate the anniversary which will be monday which is when our next episode comes true we'll have our anniversary episode man that's a lot of pressure it'll probably just be 2009 i don't know what if we did a clip show let's do it oh man as you know what we've already on this show said let's never do a clip

let's fucking do it like we would do a fucking clip show it'll probably be 2009 anyway we would quit thank you all so much for listening yes indeed thank you to all the policy wonks enjoy i'll say the dark overlord is a hack collective or individual who knows uh the precise details of it i think that they just extort people right i don't know if that has ever led anyone to commit suicide for fear of the extortion or anything like that but i will say that they have never committed the act of murder probably not never actually physically killed or at the very least probably technically not but one guy technically probably has and that guy is named alex jones andy in kansas you're on the air thanks for holding

hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you