Knowledge Fight - #25: Dennis Montgomery Investigation

Episode Date: March 28, 2017

Today's episode is a little bit different. Today, Dan tells Jordan about the findings of his investigation into a narrative that Alex pitched through the entire week of March 20-24, and demonstrates pretty well that Alex is pretty full of shit. The narrative has to do with alleged proof that the NSA was spying on Trump (and many others), but upon closer examination, the bizarre story weaves into the actions of a racist Arizona sheriff, a gambling addict with a deep history of fraud, and a completely insane lawyer.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We are back for yet another episode where we sit down and drink a little bit of wine and discuss what's going on in the wacky-wacky world of Alex Jones. Is there a twist to that?

There is. There's a Chubby Checker featuring the Fat Boys level twist. All right, we're done. I've already used Chubby Checker once, as a reference, but I realized he did the twist with the Fat Boys later. It's too late for us. All right. The twist is that I watch tons of Info Wars, and Alex Jones in particular. And I do not watch any.

None at all. Not at IOTA, except I did just trick you into watching. You tried. You tried to get me to watch some, and then David Knight appeared like a fucking demon from beneath the boring sixth level of hell. Like the world's most boring hobo coming on TV. I did find out he's got quite a bit of gray in his beard. I didn't realize that. Oh, tons. Yeah.

We're recording this on Sunday, and we wanted to check in because Alex had promoted online that he's about to drop a huge Pizza Gate bombshell. And so we wanted to check in on what that was. That's how I tricked you into watching. So far at press time, no bombshell. Nothing. So we will monitor that and keep you up to date. Generally, we probably won't.

No, not at all. I'm still standing by my former theory that I espoused on the last podcast. That is, he got threatened with a lawsuit. Yeah. I think we can stick with that one. I'm not sure that anything that he says today could shake my belief in that. No, he was definitely, he was definitely at least served some sort of papers, maybe a subpoena to, you know, give.

Sure. Shit. Don't destroy any of your evidence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that. He was shook. He would. Yeah, but anyway, almost as much as when he lost all of his money. He was way more shook.

He's very shook. So today, what we're going to do is we're going to go over, you know, this is going to be a special expose episode. Oh boy. Generally, what we do is I take a day in the life of Alex Jones and I play the clips and we discuss where he's incredibly wrong about everything. Right. Today, what we're going to be doing is breaking down the entirety of last week.

This is unprecedented. I know busted ass narrative that Alex is promoting and the results of my incredibly deep research into why Alex Jones, like, I feel like he has to know that he's just being a complete liar. All right. He has to know. I have gotten about 30 texts from you over this past week about how intense your research is.

And I just wonder, I've been. I wonder. I've been reading court documents. Why? I've been reading. What is wrong with you? Judges decisions. I want you to be okay.

That's this is now. This is eventually just going to turn into me wishing well on you. No, but see the thing is I'm thrilled. I know that's one of the problems. I had an amazingly great time reading up on all this stuff. Okay. I mean, some of the stuff that I found is like legitimately horrifying. Right.

Because there's there's there's individuals that we're going to discuss and you're probably aware of maybe one or two of them. Jesus. Sure. He's going to come in the mix. Franklin Delano Roosevelt as he keeps being referred to on the Info Wars, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Really?

Yeah. Oh boy. I think it's an accident, but I'm not sure. I don't know. It could be a play on his cousin. Uh, the one that he married. Yeah, possibly, but look, I there's a guy at least one who's going to come up who we all know who he is.

We've heard of him before, but the, the amount of research that I did really highlighted how much worse of a person he is. Okay. And so that was not fun reading some of the stories about him, but who we're going to get to it. Why are you teasing that? Because look, it's I want it. Now all I can think about is who it might be and my first thought is OJ for

some reason and I don't think that's right. No, we watch that documentary. We know how bad a guy is, but he's not a good man. I know I'm doing too much teasing, but we have to start out our episodes as we try to do each time with an out of context drop that has nothing to do with what we're going to be talking about from Alex. Gallup is back to fake polls. They have key demographics, key phone numbers they can call where they can

produce any numbers they want. Does anybody believe that Trump has fallen from 56 down to 37 in a national poll? No. Yep. Yep. Yep. Anyway, there's anybody believe a lot of people.

Is that, is that a hypothetical? Maybe, maybe over 50% of the population believes that. Yeah. All right. So anyway, here we go. Let's get to it. Let's get down to business. All right.

Cause this is going to be intense. All right. I don't want to sing. Let's get down to business from the Mulan sound rather do. This is how we do it. Ah, I would really rather you didn't do that. The party's up on the West side. You know what?

Eventually I will make a man out of just because I love pink and oh, also a Carly Rae Jepsen. I don't know if we've been over that one. Pink, Lana Del Rey, Carly Rae Jepsen and Dido. That's me so far. All right. That's my Mount Rushmore. Okay.

At this point. That's a bad Mount Rushmore. Fuck you. Okay. Okay. That's fine. So as I said throughout the week, he's pitching this entire. Anya, are we on anya?

Are we good with her? I had case to case basis song by song. I like the Orinoco flow or that song from sweet November. I only time you already know more about anya than any human being should say where the road goes. Listen, we got to get down to business. Yeah. So here, here is Alex on Monday's show sort of giving an introduction to

the thesis of what we're going to be talking about today. Okay. You're listening to the Alex Jones show. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us on this Monday, March 20th, 2000 and 17. If you got a drudgereport.com, you can see the headline right in the middle column. It's been there since yesterday afternoon.

NSA documents prove surveillance of Trump and his family. Bombshell Discovery shows targets of NSA's Project Dragnet. That's an admitted illegal project. And now we've gotten basically the indexes of it or our sources have. It's a share of Joe Arpaio's whole case. Posse's had this for two years. Of course now out of office as of last year voted out of office. And so that information has now been put out via info wars.com.

Because the feds obviously under Obama did nothing. Well, there's a new sheriff in town in DC. And he's no longer talk last week about he's gone. Soon you'll see evidence of NSA spying. And this goes back. As far as Obama's concerned, eight years, eight years, but isn't it interesting drudgereport.com where Obama's not in the world hands down second largest website in the world period after MSN top linked in the corner

last night, then it moved down this morning to the middle column. NSA documents surveillance on Trump family more. Project Dragnet. When he's saying was that a complete sentence? No, because when he's saying more, that's that click here for more. He's reading the link. And then and then Project Dragnet is a second link. Oh, okay.

So he's, he just isn't, he doesn't even know what he's reading on the page. No, it's insane. He actually, if we keep listening. Yeah. He does it again. His rhythm of that is, is bananas. Trump's surveilled more project. Like, like Christopher Walken is doing the show.

Yeah. It's, it's a, I mean, again, it is indicative of his lack of preparation. He doesn't know what he's actually about to talk about at all. It's, it's infuriating. It drives me incredibly insane. But so we have the, this clip isn't done. There's more. Oh, good.

But before we get to it, I will say what we have already is the introduction of this theme. It's that there is an NSA CIA whistleblower who has come out who has a ton of documents that proves that Donald Trump is being surveilled. And as he, as Alex steam rolls along with this, we will learn that not only is Donald Trump being surveilled and has been for years back when he was just a businessman. Right.

Not only that, Alex Jones, Michael Savage, other people's families and these just, just, just other people's tons of folks, just tons of folks. Yeah. Being, being surveilled was his sort of said word, no, Dan. No. Oh, okay. Although Snowden does get cucked out a little bit in this episode. How do you cuck out Snowden?

He's a bad because he's so minor compared to what this whistleblower is bringing out. All right. All right. And I assure you we're going to dig into every single element of this. Oh boy. And I will, this is going to get deep if in the next two and a half to three hours.

Oh boy. We don't end up with everyone who hears this realizing that this is nothing. I will commit Harry carry. No, I won't. Nope. That's a promise. Yeah.

That's a verbal contract. Anyway, exactly. Let's get back to the clay before I make worse. Don't need to dance. Patriot. I need to make a story. And otherwise you won't be able to commit Harry carry. Yeah.

It's the only way to go about things honorably. You'd think MSM would at least come out and say it wasn't true. China like when we got the mic reports from the state police and then from federal marshals and other copy of a different division because they were all different variants depending on who they were sent to and for a week, the media ignored it. Then they said it was fake. Then they said, okay, it's real.

Well, of course it was real. I didn't just get it from my sources and believe it. I also called the phone numbers on there and the FBI is like, oh, you're not supposed to have that. Where are you? We're, and then I'll have little arguments about it. So it's already out. I already have it.

It's ready to be published. I'm publishing it right now. So there you go. NSA documents, surveillance on Trump family, more project. Drag net. Again, that's him reading the links and not figuring out how a sentence works. Tom Hanks and Dan Ackroyd.

Project. Drag net. Is that their theme song? I don't remember. I have no idea. Just the facts, ma'am. Yes, there we go. Wasn't there to make the movie with the rock and Steve Carell?

Is that right? I don't know. They did not do that. I know they made a drag net movie. Yeah. With Tom Hanks and Dan Ackroyd. No, that was the old one. They made a new one with Steve Carell.

What? I don't think the rock was in it. I think I'm complaining. I don't, I don't think you're, I don't think. This is so irrelevant to the point. What is so on Sunday of last week, info wars published what they believed or what they are claiming is a database of phone numbers and addresses.

Right. And Alex has said this, these were my old phone numbers. This is correct. These are the phone numbers that I have for Donald Trump. These are real phone numbers. But as we know, he doesn't know Donald Trump's phone number. No, every time he gets a call, he's like, wait, I think this is the right area code for the president.

He keeps saying that. So he's claimed that he has multiple phone numbers for Trump. It, it falls flat for us, but well, but he does have Trump's in different area codes. Right. Yeah. Is that what we're saying right there? Yeah, yeah.

Rest in peace, Nate dog. But he has, he has these things that he published with some redacted parts, you know, like you don't want to fake redacted parts. Well, no, but you don't want, even if you do have this information that you've got, you don't want to dox tons of people. So they, you know, clipped off parts of phone numbers and what have you. Okay.

They claimed that it was a part of a massive index of people who were being spied on and this is from this whistleblowers information. Now, the problem that we have with that is that is completely unprovable and all of this information could have been gotten by someone who has the minimal amount of hacking skills and is willing to falsify documents. Yeah.

So keep that in mind as we go further. I am struggling to keep it in mind right now. Anything that Alex has posted does not have to come. Like every piece of evidence that he's posted on the website does not have to come from like an NSA source or CIA source. It's all very easily accessible information. Like a lot of the information is the address of Mar-a-Lago. I could Google that.

Yeah. Is it, is it bait? Did he just print out like a part of the phone book? I don't think he did. I think someone else did and sent it to him as evidence of a leak. Okay. So it's, it's not the white papers. It's the white pages.

That's what we're talking about right now. Nailed it. I got nailed it. So I can sound bite. Yeah. You think I can't sound bite? I think you can sound bite, baby. I can sound about all day.

So this is basically the construction of what is going on. Right. We're building the foundation of a lie about spies. A lie, a spy lie. A spy lie. And Alex is using whatever information that he got as evidence that Trump has been being spied on. He's using it as evidence that he was right all along.

Which is none. Right. So on Monday, he has an interview with a guy named Mike Zulow. Okay. And Mike Zulow is a former detective. And for, and for what? Yes. So he's come back for one last job.

Right. Is he, is he two or three days away from retirement? Please give me something. Certainly passed. Okay. He's currently a used car dealer as far as I can tell. Okay. That's what I found in my slight bits of research.

Sideways move. Uh, I don't care too much about Mike Zulow necessarily. All right. What I do care about more is that he is an employee and former, well, former employee, cause he's not out. He's not in work anymore of Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Great. He was a member of his cold case posse.

Oh no. And now I think it is time that we start to deal a tiny bit with Joe Arpaio. That racist garbage pile of human fuck face. He, he, that guy, I was talking about earlier when I said, when you look at him, he's way worse than even what you just said. Yeah. I did not know if you could get worse than everything I know about him. So we're going to get to it and Mike Zulow is going to make the argument.

That's like finding out the devil is also Alex Jones. Like it just doesn't get much worse that you think the devil can't go lower. But there we go. The devil also like, you know, cheats at cards or something like that. God damn it, man. Come on. In the old West though. So you always shoot him.

Yeah. Yeah. So we'll get to Zulow's point, which is basically that when Joe Arpaio was being tried for contempt of court for not making the necessary changes that a judge insisted that he make based on findings that they had of racial discrimination in the Maricopa County police force, right? The part where he didn't follow the law on one occasion twice and then also didn't the fall, didn't follow the law telling him to follow the law.

There were two times that he was brought into court in 2008 and 2010 and told you need to make these changes. This is a severe problem. And then he didn't and he was held in contempt of court. Yeah. Instead of arrested and had his left leg cut off as what should have happened right in this court case. I don't want to like he's right leg.

So I don't want to remove his good leg. Sure, you need to be able to kick. Yeah, exactly. So Mike Zulow is going to make the argument as we go along that he was being he was being surveilled upon and wire tapped during that investigation. And we'll deal with that in a moment. But what I want to deal with first is I want to give an accurate picture of who Sheriff Joe Arpaio is.

Let's get down to it. I have pages of instances where any single one of these is disqualifying. So get ready. Does he say grab him by the pussy a bunch? No, because we know that's only locker room. So he's the sheriff of Maricopa County in Arizona. Yeah. In 1993, Joe Arpaio set up a tent city to house his inmates outside.

He did not believe that they deserve to be inside. Great. Arpaio literally described the tent city as a quote concentration camp. That's good. Bad news. I like his willingness to embrace his monstrosity. Like he didn't even bother to call it something different. He's like, if I could burn you, I would.

I would totally do that. Speaking of the law or something says I can't. Speaking of burning these inmates, please don't say any more after that. On July 2nd, 2011, when temperatures in Phoenix hit 118 degrees Fahrenheit, Arpaio measured the temperature inside tent city tents as 145 degrees Fahrenheit. Some inmates complained that their fans near their beds were not working and that their shoes were melting from the heat.

Jesus. During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 degrees Fahrenheit, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, it's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes. So shut your mouths, which is horrible. He's not a human being, is he? Nope.

He's not. In 1997. How do you, how do you do that? How do you not have any empathy for another human being? In 1997, Amnesty International said Arpaio's tent city jail is not a quote adequate or humane alternative to housing inmates in suitable jail facilities. People get mad when you leave a dog in a fucking car. Mm-hmm.

And this dude is literally burning people alive in the desert sun. Tent city is criticized by groups contending that there are violations of human and constitutional rights implicit in its formation. All the rights. It's a war crime. Yep. You, you wouldn't do that at fucking Guantanamo Bay. Well, his argument is that they're criminals and who cares?

That's a bad argument. Fuck them. They committed crimes. No, that's a really bad argument. Sure. One of Arpaio's public relations actions was the requirement that inmates wear pink underwear in order to prevent its theft by the released inmates, which is a stupid rationale.

He claims, yeah, but I mean, that's the most harmless thing I've ever heard anybody do. So he claims that he has saved the county $70,000 in the first year of this rule was in effect. That's a lot of fucking underwear. That's lies. Arpaio subsequently started where it costs 50 cents more in my experience. Arpaio subsequently started to sell customized pink boxers with the

Maricopa County Sheriff's logo and go Joe on them as a fundraiser for Sheriff's Posse Association. What? Despite allegations of misuse of funds received from these sales, Arpaio declined to provide an accounting for the money. So he basically used it as a promotional tool and there's no evidence also that he saved that $70,000 at all. So, so we're ending with his financial crimes.

We're not even ending. What? We're not even close. No. In 2010, Arpaio put together an armed illegal immigration Posse to help enforce immigration laws. Why do you keep saying Posse? Posse's bad.

It's real bad. You know what? It gets worse. This Posse included actors Stephen Segal and Lou Ferrigno. No, that's better. I am way more comfortable with that Posse now. They have guns. One, I know that that Posse is immune to ninjas.

That's the first thing we know about that. Or voodoo. No ninjas. And then if anybody gets really out of control, they've got somebody to fall back on. He's a big green guy. I don't know if he's angry. You would not.

You would not like me if you're illegal. Especially not if you're. Oh God, Joe Arpaio is a monster. We're not even close to the tip of the iceberg. The ACLU has alleged that quote Arpaio routinely abused pretrial detainees at Maricopa County Jail by feeding them moldy bread, rotten fruit, another contaminated food, housing them in cells so hot as to endanger their health, denying them care for serious medical and mental health needs and

keeping them packed as tightly as sardines and holding cells for days at a time during intake. Now that's before they've been fucking middle medieval ages. What is fucking happening? That's before they were charged. That's before they were charged with a fucking crime. This is pretrial detainee. That's not good.

That's you should probably treat those people. No, you should treat human beings like human beings. A federal judge named Neil Wake ruled in 2008 and 2010 that the county jails violated human and constitutional rights of the inmates. Yeah. That's a very simple ruling. That should have taken like 20 seconds. Under Arpaio, the Maricopa County Jails have lost accreditation multiple times.

In September 2008, the National Committee on Correctional Healthcare terminated the accreditation of Maricopa County Sheriff's Office jails for failure to maintain compliance with national standards and providing false information about such compliance. What does that mean? They lied. What do you mean? No, I mean lost accreditation.

Does that mean people aren't allowed to be in there anymore? No, just that they're not supported by these medical associations that are in charge of sort of keeping track and making sure that jails are treating people humanely. So they're just so he's still allowed to treat people in humanely. They just say, I think that's bad basically. Yeah, but it's a big deal. They're fucking amazing.

But it's a big deal. Awesome. I love their life-saving abilities here. They have no like enforcement capabilities, but they do have like me. How is it that Alex Jones can get a fuckface to go to a goddamn pizza restaurant, but we can't get human beings to save other human beings' lives that are being burned alive? In October 2008.

Liberals are pussies. That's why. In October 2008, a U.S. District Court judge ruled that grossly inadequate conditions at the Maricopa County Jail overseen by our Pio are unconstitutional and jeopardize the health and safety of prisoners. I hate to keep hammering on that, but these are different cases also. Our Pio has said that his jails are meant as places of punishment and the inhabitants are criminals, although in fact most inmates have not been convicted

of a crime and are awaiting trial. Fuck you. Fuck. What the fuck? It gets worse. Where did these people fucking come from? It gets worse. Who the fuck?

It gets worse. At least Ted Bundy was honest about his monstrosity. Sure. Like I would much rather, like he's a sociopath that's still allowed to roam the streets. Like he just figured out how to fucking turn it into a money, like he turned being Ted Bundy into a job. That's what he did.

And he was reelected like four times. Well, Arizona is a fucking garbage hole filled with old white people. That's fair. Here's another one for you. Under our Pio, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office may have improperly cleared or reported as solved as many as 75% of cases without arrest or proper investigation. How's that grab you? During a three year period ending in 2007, more than 400 sex crimes reported to

our Pio's office were inadequately investigated or not investigated at all. No. While providing police services for El Mirage, Arizona, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office under our Pio failed to follow through on at least 32 reported child molestations. Jesus fuck, why? Even though the suspects were known in all but six cases. Here's why many of the children who were victims were illegal immigrants.

Fuck. He doesn't care. How do you not care about that? I don't know. You're like even, fuck. In 1999, undercover Maricopa County Sheriff's Office deputies arrested James Saville, then 18 years old, and charged him with plotting to kill our Pio with a pipe bomb. A local television station had been tipped off to the arrest by the Maricopa County

Sheriff's Office and broadcast footage of the arrest that evening. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office held a news conference shortly after the arrest, and our Pio appeared in interviews on local television stations saying quote, if they think they're going to scare me away with bombs and everything else, it's not going to bother me. After spending four years in jail awaiting trial, Saville was about to... Four years awaiting trial. Yep.

He was about to sign a plea deal that would have sent him to prison for 20 years. Although he maintained his innocence, he was initially unwilling to take a chance on being sentenced to even longer than that he had been convicted, if you were convicted. However, the former head of undercover investigations for the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office called Saville's legal team with a bombshell. Based on his review of the case, he felt that Saville had been entrapped. Although entrapment is all but impossible to prove in most jurisdictions, Saville's attorneys eventually discovered that the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office detectives had bought

the bomb parts themselves. What? Then convinced Saville to build it even though he was not predisposed to commit such a crime. On July 9th, 2003, Maricopa County's Superior Court jury acquitted Saville, finding that the bomb plot was an elaborate publicity stunt to boost Arpaio's re-election bid. In 2004... Are you fucking serious? In 2004...

He did the Nixon? In 2004, Saville argued Arpaio and the Maricopa County... He sued Arpaio and Maricopa County for wrongful arrest and entrapment, seeking $10 million in damages. He deserves more, and Joe Arpaio should have been hit with a fucking pipe bomb. In 2008, the suit was settled with Maricopa County paying Saville $1.6 million. So, a little bit less than the 10 he should have gotten. He should have gotten fucking a billion dollars.

Yeah. How... So, I am... Like, this is the hardest thing. I am against the death penalty. But Joe Arpaio should be fucking killed. He's... He should be dead.

He's abused... There's only one reason for the death penalty. It's for fucking monsters like him. He's abused the public trust to such an... He's abused human beings. Yeah. He should be fucking... Like, there's no other...

There's no other solution for that guy. We're not done. We're... No! He's already dead! This is the producer. He's already in my brain. It gets even worse.

It can't! The Justice Department accused Arpaio of engaging in, quote, unconstitutional policing by unfairly targeting Latinos for detention and arrest, and retaliating against critics. In the report, a Justice Department concluded that Arpaio oversaw, quote, the worst pattern of racial profiling in U.S. history. In 2015... That's fucking hard to do. After all our genocides, that's a tough one.

Yeah. If you get labeled with that, wow! In 2015, Arpaio was charged with contempt of court for failing to implement a court's required changes to his police force regarding rampant racial profiling. He was also found to have destroyed evidence in the case. Yeah, a fucking course he did. He's also publicly promoted the Obama birther hoax repeatedly. Up to December of last year, 2016, he was, quote,

investigating the birth certificate, and he erroneously claimed he found nine points of forgery in Obama's birth certificate. So... All right. In 2008... I was going to take notes, but then I just started slitting my fucking wrists. In 2008, when Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon called for a federal investigation into Arpaio's immigration enforcement tactics, Arpaio's office responded by demanding the mayor's

emails and phone logs. Arpaio also had his critic, Maricopa County Supervisor Don Stapley, a Republican, arrested on suspicion of failing to properly disclose business interests. Stapley agreed to a 3.5 million settlement in his lawsuit against Arpaio, Thomas and the county for false arrest. So he's tried to jail his critics multiple times and been sued for it and lost. He's cost the county so many millions of dollars because of these illegal tactics that he's undergone.

And he was reelected four times. And they tried to have like a runoff election twice. Drop the mic there. Failed both times. Which is crazy. Really? Yeah. But I mean, that's how it goes.

How could this country have elected Trump? That's how it goes with deeply entrenched illegal operations. This fucking racist pile of shit. So you might think that he's a racist, he's a bigot, he's awful. How is he not in jail? Because he argues that he gets results. How is he not in jail though? Well, he committed all the crimes.

He might be soon. He should be dead. His argument is that he's gruff, but he gets results. No, that's not an argument in a case of law. But also listen to this. In 1998. I can't argue. Oh, okay.

Here's Jordan. You're under arrest for terrorism. Excuse me. I believe I get results. That's not an argument. In 1998, Arpaio commissioned a study by Arizona State University criminal justice professor Marie L. Griffin to examine recidivism rates based on conditions of confinement. So basically like before how often people come back.

But it's also the study is supposed to be before him and after him or like while he's in charge and his predecessor. Oh, for fuck's sake. It's comparing recidivism rates under Arpaio to those of his predecessor. The study found, quote, there is no significant difference in recidivism. Observe between those offenders released in 1989 to 90 and those released in 1994 to 1995. So what you're saying is that he is both a criminal, a monster and his defensive. I get results does not actually get results. Statistically, it is a lie.

He's a fucking how, how can you, how could you not prosecute him? Well, like there's no, there's no way that you could not put him in jail forever and ever and ever and for all the lives that I know that this is a lot of information and it's long, but I'm giving you all of this. I want to believe in reincarnation or ghosts just so that I can be tortured every moment for the rest of fucking eternity. I'm giving you all of this information and there's still even more, but the reason is because the interview that Alex does is with this guy is close associate.

Okay. So a guy who's carrying water for Joe Arpaio is who Alex has by the, by the transitive property of you're a fucking monster, we can determine that we're talking to a fucking monster that this guy was up to some shit. Yeah. He's an evil man. So guys, here's, here's the situation. There's a lot of really fucked up stuff that you can find out about the history of Joe

Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Association. And I just got a fucking bullet point list of the absolute utter monstrosity of this man upon reflection, me and Jordan have talked it over and we've decided that a lot of the stuff is not right for us to necessarily be broadcasting. I think, I think you should, I think you should find this on your own in a comfortable place because listening to it in a row is overwhelming. It, it shook me. So a good place to start is just his Wikipedia page.

Yeah, no kidding. A lot of citations you can find about that. And if you want to go, you can find out more about the depths of the truly irresponsible and evil police work that he, Joe Arpaio presided over. He ranks up there with everyone convicted in the Nuremberg trials. I genuinely, I genuinely believe that. So anyway, guys, this is the sort of, like look into it. We'll, we'll wait.

We'll be here. Are we going to, are we going to give a moment of silence? No, let's get into it. Feel free to press pause. We will wait four seconds for you and then we'll kick right back in. Here's me like tapping my foot, waiting. So here we go. We get into now this interview with Mike Zulo that who again is one of the higher ups of

the Maricopa County, former higher ups as it were. Alex does a lot of vamping. He's an accomplice to every single thing that Joe Arpaio has done. Yes. Well, I mean, I mean, he hasn't always been there, but in spirit. Yeah. He implicitly signed off by supporting him and still supporting him to this day. So Alex does a lot of sort of like opening presentation before he gets to the interview.

So I'm going to play a couple of clips of that. Okay. Bombshell, Obama's NSA illegally spied on Sheriff Arpaio's prosecution. They've got the documents, the surveillance, Arpaio's house, his office, all of it's spied on and used in the federal court. Again, Sheriff Arpaio, they're trying to put in prison. Wow. Good.

Federal officer, long serving, decorated Sheriff, Patriot. Monster. Obama trying to put him in prison. Murderer. Using the spy grid to try to make up garbage. Racist. And guess who else is in the database? Yours truly.

Isn't that just special? Not particularly. Yeah. Who's who? The Patriots in there. I don't want to get on that list, don't you? Nope. Definitely not.

Shifting about the papers. Which list was he shifting right there? I think it was the red list. The red list. Oh, no. So the argument that he's making there. Isn't that the black list? Maybe it is.

The red list was Tommy's. I don't know. Isn't that the one that started David Duchovny? No, that's the red shoe diaries. So the argument that he's making there is that Arpaio was being spied on during his trial. And what have you. This is absolute utter nonsense. Why would you need to?

The secondary argument that he's making is that this database has come out with all of these. All these people's names. And Alex Jones is one of them. The knock list for a mission impossible. I think it's the black list. I corrected my reference. All right. Fine.

We'll get to you in this round. We'll get a little bit further down the line and make sure. I'll get back to why that's bullshit in a second. But let's get through his introductions here. This is where he connects what's going on. The Arpaio spying situation to what we're going to be talking about later. The bigger case that involves Trump that involves Alex. It's this guy named Dennis Montgomery who is that NSA CIA's whistleblower.

Right. Who is much bigger than Snowden. I swear to God. Have you seen the movie Zodiac? Yeah. Have you seen any movie where somebody has a giant fucking pin board filled with string connecting one thing to another? Mm-hmm. Because it's on your goddamn wall.

It's in my head. It's oh. This one's real simple though. It's not. I assure you this is not that hard to one line of string. That's all we needed for this one. Basically. This was all brought to them years ago in federal court.

They ignored it. And this is the only story coming after Arpaio even harder because they knew he had the whistleblower that had all this information. So he connects everything there. This whistleblower in question is this guy named Dennis Montgomery. Dennis Montgomery. Would you like a backstory on him now or later? Let's go with half and half. Give me one bit of backstory.

One bit of backstory? Yeah. Okay. Here's a fun one. Dennis Montgomery was a guy who he founded a video compression noise filtering business called E-trepid Technologies. A video compression noise filtering business. Like in 1998 he founded this company. Oh, okay.

The business started out as a tool for the casino industry, but eventually they sought out government contracts. In 2014, Montgomery was revealed to be working as a confidential informant for Sheriff Joe Arpaio. He claimed that when he was contracting for the CIA through the E-trepid Technologies, the government contracts that he was doing, he obtained documents that proved a conspiracy against Arpaio. Basically that the Department of Justice under Eric Holder was working with the judge in the case, and Arpaio's racial profiling case, that the two of them were working together and he had the documents to prove it. Isn't that just called doing the law? In this case, it's conspiracy.

Well, I mean, is conspiracy, is it just like, hey, let's partner up? I guess. Yeah. I mean, but you can't, you can't, man. You can't partner up. Otherwise it's a conspiracy. The allegation was that he was alleged like wiretapping them, which is the DOJ. So if the judge gave them permission to wiretap him, that's still not conspiracy.

Well, I mean, I don't know if there is that permission. So I mean, I also don't. Have you seen the wire? Let me put all my cards on the table. Put all those cards on the table. I don't think there was a wiretap. There was definitely not a wiretap. Also, we know how bad a dude Joe Arpaio is.

He's a fucking monster who manufactured his own pipe bomb publicity stunt. In this 2004 claim that Montgomery made in this court case, Arpaio later characterized the result of Montgomery's investigation as quote junk. Oh, so even Arpaio thinks Dennis Montgomery is a fucking idiot. Yep. All right. Then he's the perfect man to come on. Alex Jones. No, Montgomery is not going to appear.

Oh, OK. Montgomery is a shadowy figure that's just talked about. All right. So he's a vampire. Yes. Mark are Mike Zulo, who is Arpaio's detective. Who's Arpaio's Danny Zuko. Now car salesman is a guest here that we we're leading up to.

I'm telling you, Alex does such an elaborate and super long introduction. Is Mike Zulo at least on screen watching the whole introduction looking awkwardly and uncomfortable? No, no, because Jerome Corsi is. Oh, good. Thank God. If somebody's not looking uncomfortable while Alex Jones is introducing somebody, I get real bummed out. I'm not joking at all. Jerome Corsi is hanging out because he just in the corner kind of pacing back and forth.

He has hooked things up between Mike Zulo and Alex to do an interview. Right. Blind date style. He is there as like a third wheel. Anyway, OK, so blind date style. At this point, Alex drops a little bit of information that shows that he doesn't have any actual information about the situation that he's going to be discussing. So let's recap what happened yesterday. I love it.

Let's recap what happened yesterday. Please do. And to give them credit, Newsmax and Larry Klayman, who's been at the center of this, I'm going to get Klayman on as soon as possible, they're the ones that got the documents and then they were able to interface them with Arpaio that show all this. And they've got a report on the whistleblower himself. It's like another Snowden. He was a contractor. I need that info. I had it last night.

I need it. If you don't know where it is, just go to your stage interview with Zulo. He talks about in the first few minutes. I need it bad. I need it. Uber bad. Uber bad. He doesn't know what to talk about unless this information is sitting right in front of him because he doesn't know the situation.

Of course not. He only knows if he's reading off some piece of paper. Meanwhile, he yells about he's teleprompter free. He doesn't know the story. He only knows if his staff is feeding him information. Let's recap what happened yesterday. He, Alex, had published a list of people's phone numbers and addresses that was allegedly from this Montgomery, this Dennis Montgomery guy. Right.

Let's recap what happened yesterday. I just did. Oh, well, let's recap what happened yesterday. He posted that. Oh, okay. And he thinks it's evidence that Trump is being spied on and that- Because Joe Arpaio was spied on. And that within this massive group of documents that Dennis Montgomery has revealed, but he hasn't revealed-

The new Snowden. Yeah, he hasn't revealed any of his documents. The Newton. Edward Snowden. All that proves that James Comey is a fucking liar. Right. All of this is- James Comey is a fucking liar.

What's going on? And Trump is being fucking railroaded. It's good. Yeah. I like it. So, this- I wish he was on a railroad where somebody was twisting their pencil-thin mustache. So, once again-

But this time, no Dudley Do-Right is coming. Once again, I want to use this next clip to just establish that Alex is specifically talking about Trump stuff and Arpaio stuff as being the exact same thing. What about butt stuff? Uh, butt stuff is in the mix. I think that it's in play. Yeah, it's in play. The second part of the series that Dr. Corsi put up today, published in FullWars.com. NSA document proves surveillance of Donald Trump and his family.

Bombshell Discovery shows targets of NSA project dragnet. Here's a Larry Klamman article. That's the other family judicial watch. Max Nunes must ask FBI- that's the House Intelligence Committee head again- must ask FBI's coming about Montgomery mass surveillance case. And that's the case given to Arpaio that the feds haven't denied with the 47 hard drives over 60 million pages of information. Much bigger than Snowden. Cocking out Snowden.

But that doesn't necessarily- Also a million? Like yeah, he's got a mountain of empty hard drives. Three by five floppies. He's got a mountain of them. He claims- More than Snowden's ever even seen. They claim it's actually 600 million documents.

Alex Undersolder has 60 million documents. 600 million documents? The issue is that no one really knows what's on them or if they're even real. How could you? It would be impossible to have processed any of that information at this point. Even with a couple years lead time you couldn't process 600 million documents. Now, there's a couple issues. Well, I mean if McDonald's can sell 99 billion.

Yeah, I think we can do it in about 10 years. So Alex's proof that all of this is real? Yes. Is that his phone number and his old phone number is in this database. Along with Donald Trump's phone numbers, which again we have suspicions whether he actually knows or not. Does not know. Here's a clip of him providing literally the only evidence he gives at any point that this stuff is true. The Super Snowden leaks show Obama spied on Trump.

Alex Jones. Sheriff Arpaio. It's all there. It's all there. That's sensational. Drudge, the biggest news site in the world, rated the second biggest website in the world, period, has had this link since yesterday at four o'clock. Guy's search engine, Alex Jones, click Google or search engine, NSA, whatever. As of showtime, I've seen nothing on this.

I've never seen that. Total blackout. They don't know how to respond. Let me tell you, these phone numbers, these private phone numbers, his private apartment at Mar-Lago and all that, these are the numbers. My old cell phone number nobody had, that's real. My old private office, that's real. All these numbers, real. This is real.

They already know that. That's why they're so scared. They're running around saying to the whole world, Trump's insane, no one ever surveilled you. So, I mean, like the fact- Why would you have an office phone number that nobody could know? I don't know. Shouldn't you, like- It's dumb.

Why would you even have an office phone if nobody's supposed to know your office phone number? I mean, you hit the nail right on the head. A lot of this stuff is conceivably public information. It's definitely public information. But even Alex Jones' cell phone number, I guarantee I could find it. He probably gave it on air at one point. I guarantee that if I had a tiny bit of hacking ability, I could find his phone number. You can find anybody's private information really easily.

Yeah. Based on all of the places that you would have dropped it. He probably put it on fucking Facebook. If you ever went to college, all of that information is really easily accessible, like a bunch of your addresses. Well, I mean, we do know that you only ever went to community college. Which is much- And I'm assuming he's changed his cell phone since then. Well, right.

But I mean, a lot of the- So, they have his community college cell phone number? Sure. That could be what he said. They got it. It's real. I don't think cell phones were around back then. But be that as it may.

But what I'm saying is a lot of these things, you end up filing information places and a lot of your private information is much more accessible than people think. I've seen tons of news reports about this where just mid-level, basic hacking individuals, let's say, not even the most evolved hackers are able to find tons and tons of private information about people and not illegally. They're just able to find it. You can get fucking courtesy calls on your cell phone now. Yeah.

They're just selling your number. Like, if you've ever gotten a call on your cell phone polling you, that's because somebody sold your fucking number. Yeah. You can easily- Yeah. All that information is super easy to find. Yeah.

So, the fact that he's using it as proof of an NSA CIA database is cockamamie. It's ludicrous. It could have just been fucking AT&T. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, if we really want to get down to the bottom of it, I'm against that. I don't like the idea of people selling information, but that's a whole other thing to unpack. That's not what Alex is talking about. Anyway.

It was unpacked yesterday, I believe. It's now legal to sell all of your information. So, here we go. They signed it into law. Here we go. Alex is, again, reinforcing his own sort of narrative, but doing it incredibly poorly because, again, this is what he says in terms of like, we have the proof. We have all the headlines.

Large-cap data. We can show it to you all day long. You can show us headlines all day long, but that doesn't matter. And edit it in so right before he says that, you say the exact- Don't say we have all the proof and then he says we have all the headlines. You have to say we have all the headlines, then he says it. He's got the headlines. It's perfect.

Yeah. It's perfect. You look like a fucking genius. Here we go. We're going to get into the actual Zuloh interview now. Zuloh is going to lay out a story that, unfortunately, as he tells the story, you start to get the picture that he actually doesn't have shit. It's really unfortunate, and the title that I gave this clip is, they don't know what

to do with the information. You know, to put it in a nutshell, to address the question, you just asked, we really don't know what is going on. We know that we made every endeavor to bring Mr. Montgomery his information to federal authorities. Like I said earlier, we contacted Larry Klayman for his assistance, and under the direction of Sheriff R. Pyle, we brought Mr. Montgomery to Judge Royce Lamberth, who used to be the head of the Pfizer court. Judge Lamberth was the Pfizer judge that authorized the bin Laden wiretaps in his living room at

three o'clock in the morning. And we got him there. The dilemma was, for all involved, is where do we go with this? Mr. Montgomery, during his tenure as a contractor, the FBI, and this is in court documents, had illegally executed a search warrant on his home, with fabricated affidavits to a judge. And that was all bared out in a trial. He did not, for obvious reasons, trust the FBI or want to work with the FBI. That posed a problem for us, because the only other place we could have gone to at that

time would have been the Department of Justice, and I believe at that time it was still Eric Holder. That was a problem. So here's why it's a problem for them. Because it's not a thing? No. Allegedly, all of this 600 million documents is confidential information. So they can't just go to a lawyer.

Yeah, they're illegally holding it. Yeah. Allegedly. Of course. From the NSA. So it is a problem to take it to the Department of Justice when Holder is willing to prosecute you. But also, this guy, Mike Zulo, in the next interview that we're going to be dealing with is this

guy who keeps coming up, Larry Clayman. The two of them can't know anything about what's on those documents. And if they do, they've committed a crime. That's bad. If they admit that they know anything on it, they have on air committed a crime. That is a pickle. That's really tough. So essentially, that's a fine line to walk.

All of these dudes have to, and I believe them, I don't necessarily think that they're lying. They haven't looked at any of it. Or they have. All, no. I think all they're going on is what Dennis Montgomery has told them. He's seen the documents. They are telling Alex what Dennis Montgomery has told them they say. So we're playing a big game of telephone here.

Basically. That's what's happening. Well, it's back to Johnson, that CIA operative who Alex had on the other day, who had third-hand knowledge of stuff. Yeah. He's got friends who know sources who are right next to the guy. We may be seeing the videos that he's talking about where Michelle Obama says the word honky. Whitey.

Whitey. Really wish that were true. Again, this is. I would watch that on repeat. Give me a hand of Michelle Obama saying Whitey. Third-hand reporting. Yes. Third-hand.

Uh-huh. And that's. That's why they call it thoroughed hand. That's a problem for them. Because they can't make an argument. All they can do is speculate about what possibly is in this information based on what Dennis Montgomery has told them. So they're doing everything Alex Jones loves to do.

Now, Dennis Montgomery, as we've already established his investigation to try and help Joe Arpaio was called Junk by Joe Arpaio himself. Yeah. So that's one piece. I can't wait to fucking drop the hammer on this Dennis Montgomery. Let's do it. I'm not doing it now. Jesus Christ.

We need to, we need to let it bail. This is the worst hand job I've ever received. You let it build. So at this point, Zulo is going to explain what happened. They took the information to the FBI. I'll let him spell it out. Larry Klayman was successful in persuading Mr. Montgomery to talk to the FBI, which he did. My understanding, you'll have to clarify this with Larry, is Mr. Montgomery brought in a

sampling of some documentation that the FBI vetted. In return, they contacted him and gave him what is known as production immunity. Again, this is based on Larry or excuse me on what Dennis Montgomery told them. Yeah, they wouldn't have done that though. If he had stolen those documents, he stole 47 hard drives and 600 million documents. Yeah. You remember how Edward Snowden isn't allowed to be in the country anymore? Like they just won't do it.

Cause then they'll like goodbye forever, Edward Snowden. So Dennis Montgomery instead, la, la, la walks into the FBI. Yeah. He shows them this, these documents. Check out, check out your documents guys. They let him leave and then he just has been living his life. Oh, I also want to make this clear. Dennis Montgomery at this point in 2017 is like 65 years old.

Okay. So he's an old dude. He's not some spry like Edward Snowden sexy. He's young and like it's a fun whistleblower image. Nobody's, nobody's right in citizen 64. No, not at all. Nothing against it for being old, but it's like you get in your head. This idea cause Snowden keeps coming up that he's like some able bodied young man.

He's old as shit. Yeah. You know, hackers usually aren't a 70 year old dude, but I do believe that he actually dial up CDs. I mean, we can talk all the shit we want, but I do believe that this guy actually does have some hacking ability. Okay. But that's only because Occam's razor tells me he has to in order to fraudulently create

the documents that have been sent to info wars. And I'll spell that out a little bit later as we go along. So he's a, he's knows enough to forge bullshit. Yes. Gotcha. Let's talk a little bit more about the FBI situation. And he brought in, I believe it was like 600 million records. Whoa.

He provided them that information. Some time goes by and they called him back and they gave him testimonial immunity. That's right. He reported 47 hard drives, 60 million pages of information. I mean, this is just unbelievable. This is way better than anything wiki leaks or snow never had. And now we're checking the data. It's all real.

There's no way this guy had this. These are real databases. No, not necessarily. So, I mean, you know, again, it comes back to like a lot of that stuff is fairly easy to find. Google. Some of it could be Googled. So we know Montgomery can Google.

Which is impressive for a 65 year old. That is not bad. No, not bad at all. Yeah. I know a lot of people who are in their fifties who have no idea. They're like, can I bring it? No, you can't bring it. You can't bring classified documents.

Only Google has that. Everybody knows this. At this point, Zulu gets into another part that actually sounds like it might have some legs. Okay. And is he ever going to not be the most boring person to listen to? No, cause Jerome Corsi is still around. Oh, that's true.

Good point. Good point. So, he's going to get into this and it sounds scary, but don't worry about it. I'll be right back on the other side of this to explain. Let us find out. Don't worry about it. You spot check different info randomly that he obviously, you know, can't just go and guess what you're going to spot check and what you find.

The personal information on a lot of the 151,000 people was absolutely correct. Although none of them can identify the bank accounts that were alleged to be theirs. That gets to be very interesting because those bank accounts, it is suspected that they are actually fraudulent transactions. Every one of those bank accounts had accounts in it with high speculative real estate, gas and oil, stock plays. So, we're talking about a lot of derivative speculative things being done in other people's names.

Correct. Alex doesn't know what that is. Nope. And derivative speculative things. Things. What does he think? Those are sugar futures. I don't know.

Oh, like from trading places. The orange futures. Gotcha. Gotcha. So that is actually a really unfortunate that they use those specifics because I can trace back exactly what they're talking about a little Papa Dan found a little bit of an article from the news association in Phoenix that was covering the trial of Ohio, right? So plaintiffs lawyers presented some evidence suggesting that the informant Dennis Montgomery

was investigating Snow, who was the lawyer, who was, I'm sorry, not the lawyer, the judge in Joe Arpaio's racial discrimination case. Okay. So they found some evidence that indicated that Montgomery, Dennis Montgomery was being employed by Joe Arpaio to investigate the judge, which would be very illegal. That's really illegal. Yes. That fits with our judge Arpaio knowledge so far who has actively tried to jail opponents

who is people who speak out against him, who's caused millions of dollars of lawsuits to be filed because of his dictator ish behavior. He's like every sheriff in any movie from the South or during the construction era, 40s era movies. Yeah. Yeah. So Arpaio insisted he hadn't encouraged Montgomery to investigate the judge. Instead, instead, Arpaio insisted the informant was investigating bank fraud and the judge

was one of 150,000 alleged victims in Maricopa County. Now that 150,000 is important because that's 1000 off from the number that this guy just referenced as the NSA CIA database that it allegedly includes Donald Trump and Alex Jones. Do they live in Maricopa County? No. So it seems like it's a decent possibility that that they're repurposing, they're repurposing bullshit information to different bullshit information. Right.

Wow. That's, well, we should recycle. I think that's a very important thing. Climate change is coming. So if you're going to invent bullshit, you don't want to just keep on throwing your old bullshit away. Use it to grow mushrooms. Exactly.

So Arpaio had. It's great fertilizer for lies. Arpaio in Montgomery had this bank fraud thing that was cover for him investigating this judge that was trying to pass a racial profiling case against him. Right. Well, and the judge is not actually invested in striking him down. He's hearing the case. The prosecutors are more the issue.

But he's investigating. Judges. He's investigating this judge to try and get leverage over him and what have you. But that fits with the kind of paranoid personality that we're dealing with because he doesn't believe that it is never, he always believes it's one guy. It's one guy with all of this power because he's a guy with all of this dumb power. So he can't believe there's any kind of system that will eventually tear him down in the same way that Trump is a dictator who can't understand that laws, he can't understand

that laws are real. This part gets a little bit fun here. After the April hearing, Judge Snow ordered that the sheriff's office turn over documents relating to Montgomery's investigation. These documents include timelines and flowcharts seeming to allege conversations and collusion between Judge Snow, the DOJ, and the law firm of Covington and Burlington, which represents the plaintiffs in the case. And factories.

Four coats. Coat factories. On Friday, plaintiff's lawyer Stanley Young questioned Arpaio repeatedly about Montgomery and presented some evidence to try and show Arpaio knew that Montgomery was looking into Judge Snow and was personally interested in that probe. Both Arpaio and his chief deputy, Jerry Sheridan, testified in this round of hearings they didn't ask Montgomery to make those documents. Sheridan testified earlier in the hearing that he told the detective and sergeant working

with Montgomery not to pursue the investigations against Snow, Judge Snow. This article goes on to explain that I want to find the exact part because it's fucking hilarious. Arpaio got a fax. Young, who was employed by Covington and Burlington, showed Arpaio- That is a great children's book. Arpaio got a fax. So this lawyer-

If you give Arpaio a fax. This lawyer, Young, who was employed by Covington and Burlington, showed Arpaio had received a fax from Montgomery in November 2013 with an early version of a timeline showing events in the Department of Justice's racial profiling case and the racial profiling case in Judge Snow's court, as well as information about alleged wiretaps against the sheriff. On the back of the fax, Arpaio used a typewriter to make some typo-riddled notes. What decade is a fax in 2013 he uses a typewriter on? Are we traveling through time right now?

It's insane. He added handwritten notes about possible connections- He type-rid and hand-wrote on the same fucking back of a fax? He hand-wrote notes about- Well, at least he's not wasting paper. About possible connections between Judge Snow and the law firm of Covington and Burlington. He also drew a picture of a dinosaur. He drew his hand and turned it into a turkey.

These notes mention that former Arizona Senator John Keel worked with the law firm Covington and Burlington. There's also mentioned that Judge Snow's wife worked there as well, which is not true. The notes read, Snow confirmed by U.S. Senate Keel on Judiciary Committee on June 26, 2008. Obama takes office January 2009. Judge born 1959. It's all crazy nonsense handwritten scrawled on the back of this. So he's doing numerology.

Yes, he's desperately trying to- Yeah, he's just making a bet and you add those numbers together and it's 666, whoa! All of it is desperately grasping at straws and clearly Montgomery was not working on a bank fraud case. That was cover that he used. A handwritten note also noted, quote, Will Cox's husband in the 150,000. That's the people that were allegedly being targeted. As well as the number of Jehovah's Witnesses who are going to make it into heaven.

Will Cox referred to former Maricopa County Supervisor, Mary Rose Wilcox husband, Earl. Arpaio said it was a reference to him- Can we just talk about how those are the whitest names in a row you just- Earl and Mary Rose Wilcox, yeah. Arpaio said it was a reference to him being among the 150,000 victims of bank fraud. That note, quote, totally floored Earl Wilcox, who was seated in the courtroom and saw his own name in the document when it was displayed on a monitor in the gallery. The Wilcox's are vocal opponents of the sheriff.

The sheriff's office had tried to criminally indict Mary Rose Wilcox and she won a civil suit against the county for the baseless charges. So you get a sense of what's going on here. Arpaio is acting illegally all the time. All the time. Super all the time. Yeah. All the time.

John Gummary was a confidential informant in quotes who was actually doing pretty illegal investigations on his behalf. Yeah. So that's the sort of, that's the flavor we've got right now. I promise you this is going to develop and it's going to be a rose petal blossoming. I would prefer a bloomin' onion from TGI Fridays, but if you want to do a rose petal, that's fine. I'm a poetic.

That's fine, but I'm an American. Okay. At this point, the alleged 151,000 people who include Donald Trump, Alex Jones, Alex Jones' old office and what have you. His private office number, his old cell phone number, his mom's birthday, his son's bar mitzvah. Yes. His great-grandmothers.

She's a slave. I don't know. Anyways. That exact same database that's being alleged now was used years ago in this court case as alleged information of all people who live in Maricopa County who are being victims of bank fraud in order to cover for an investigation into a federal judge. So that's what's going on. Alex can't, it's possible he doesn't know that.

He does not know any of that. All of those words you just said are more words than Alex Jones can understand. Right. But again, you should have boiled that down into a headline and then maybe Alex Jones could understand that. Headline. Alex Jones full of shit. There you go.

Because you understand that. Alex Jones understands that. You just, you just, okay. Here's what you did. Oh. Alrighty. You built a case. Yeah.

You then gathered evidence for that. I researched pretty heavily. You put a lot of work and time and effort into. All of that points to only one possible conclusion that you can then establish is reality. And I can establish it even further. Now, where do you think in that line, Alex Jones would stop? He wouldn't. He just, the part where you said, here's what we're going to do.

You know where he would stop as soon as any like indication that he's not totally right. He just go, la, la, la, la, la, la, plug up his ears. Yeah. Of course. There's no way he understood what you were talking about. So here's this next clip. It's Mike Zulo again, getting into how they don't actually know anything. So I'm going to, I'm going to come down right now on the side of Alex is being duped because

he's an idiot. I think that it's possible. I think that that there's pretty strong and, well, here's the problem. Later. There are so many problems. Well, later he's going to talk about how great a guy Joe Arpaio is and he talks to him and stuff like that. He talks to Joe Arpaio.

Yeah. So I believe that there is a vested interest in Alex defending him. So I don't know if he's, if he's being duped, he's super willing to be duped. Yeah, but we've, we've established so many times that Alex Jones is always super willing to be duped and he is a starfucker. So Joe Arpaio has a certain amount of fame for being a horrific monster, a truly horrific nightmarish pile of garbage human being, but he's famous. So Alex Jones wants to suck up to him in the same way that he wants to suck up to the

fucking nudge. And that's what this is. So he's Alleged Nazi Jesse James. Yeah, as well as Alleged Nazi Sandra Bullock, since we've got a lot of, hey, no, we got a lot of ground to cover. So I'm going to skip this next clip because it's again, we, we talked about it earlier. It's basically just Zulu repeating in different language that they don't really actually know

what's going on. They don't know what the documents say they, they can't. It's Zulu in Zulu is what you're saying. So here is here. This next clip is Mike Zulu explaining some of Dennis Montgomery's pedigree and where he comes from, which is actually evidence of my argument that he is able to discover people's private information through techniques he's able to employ on his own. Right.

As opposed to Batman, who just kind of hangs out in the bushes. Right. But what did he tell you he was doing? And are you not going to incriminate himself? Well, I don't want to go into too much of what he said. You said it was similar though, a contractor like Snowden, actually, Mr. Montgomery, and this is public, Mr. Montgomery was a contractor who developed the hacking software that could penetrate

firewalls of computers, breach them, take over as the administrator and remain undetected for about an hour and a half and download whatever they are hosting. Yeah. And that's my understanding for an hour and a half. That's the time frame. That's like, hey, keep them on the line for 20 seconds, otherwise we won't get his exact location. Exactly.

Yeah, that's bullshit. We can mask him for an hour and a half. Why would you build something that only lasts for an hour and a half? Well, because it's a lie. It is a lie. It's 100% a lie. I think it might be a lie. It's a lie.

But I do believe that he has some hacking skills. Now, I have done some research and figured out exactly what Dennis Montgomery was doing when he had government contracts. The subtitle of this episode is, Dan has done some research. So I told you about Dennis Montgomery. He in 2000 or in 1998, he founded that company called E-Trepid Technologies. Would you call him D Montgomery Burns? Sure.

Thank you. Thank you. We're going to burn him. So like I said, it started out as like a casino tool. You know, we didn't start the fire though. No, but it's always been burned. Eventually after they started by targeting the casino industry, they started to branch out and try and get government contracts.

Right. In 2003 or thereabouts, right around then, Dennis claimed that he had developed software that would analyze barcodes that appeared on Al Jazeera and he used these decoded information that he gleaned from these barcodes to predict impending terrorist attacks. This is what he developed. So he's a study student of the cabala? Is that what you're saying right there? No, Al Jazeera is a news network and they have barcodes on it.

Yeah. And he's, he's just, so he's saying that they're planning terrorist attacks through the barcodes on Al Jazeera. Yes. And he has developed a software that will allow us to predict terrorist attacks. He's so needlessly complicated. It kind of makes sense. No, it doesn't.

But no, no, no. Send a letter. So. On a horse. At that point, a gentleman named Tom Ridge was Homeland Security Director of the United States. And he was convinced enough about this software and that it was legit that he used information gleaned from the software to raise the terror alert multiple times.

He went so far as to evacuate public buildings and call for flights to be grounded based on interpretations of barcodes on Al Jazeera through Dennis Montgomery's software. That's not real. It is. Don't tell me that's real. It's very real. Tell me we don't live in a dumb enough world to believe that shit. It's so real.

That is, that's, that's legit. Like, you know, is it, is it Kabbalah where it's like they, they put certain letters of each page of the Bible that correspond to certain verses. Weird Bible code stuff. Yeah. Like that whole thing where they predict the end of the world, that's what that is. That's exactly what that is. It's the same sort of logic.

It's bullshit. Yeah. It's insane. That makes no sense. Just because I don't want to ruin where this is going to go. Like this isn't the wind talkers. I don't want to ruin the entire end of this story yet. But a CIA agent who was involved in like the implementation of this technology and it being

brought in. Jack Ryan. He requested anonymity, but he was quoted later as talking about the meeting where they learned about this information as being, this is so embarrassing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He tried to fight against it, but there was no use.

It was implemented. That's the saddest thing. Hold on. I'll just spell out the rest of this story now because this is why this is why it's so hard to believe in any conspiracy theory. Yeah. Is when you find out this shit, you're like, there's no way they could have killed JFK. These people might be fucking stupid.

Such incompetence. Has anybody considered that everybody in the CIA is actually fucking a moron? But it, well, not this guy who said it was embarrassing. Not fucking a moron. But the, they are a moron. But all the, but when you, when you have a conclusion that you want to arrive at and someone gives you like confirmation, plausible a version of, of your conclusion, why wouldn't you jump all over?

Like 9-11 was an inside job. Right. This guy, his software, Dennis Montgomery, his software is implemented and it's used to make terror predictions. Is it? A little bit. Hold on. What is it?

What does it even look like? Okay. So this is 2003 level software, right? Don't. So he puts it in and this is back when you had to use three by five floppies. No, not, not in 2003. What were you? CDs probably.

Okay. CDs. Yeah. That was, that was my encarta period. I bet there was. Where you would have the encyclopedia. I bet there were flash drives back then too. Maybe rudimentary flash drives.

Maybe. Maybe. Let's go with CDs, right? Sure. So we're using, we're using, let's call it Windows 2000. You pull up. No, it was 2003. Windows 2003.

Right. Well, whatever. Well, it's, it's Montgomery. Let's call it Windows 95. I don't know. If we're using this nonsense. I don't know if it's like MLB, the show. Right.

I don't know if there's, I don't know if there's a new one ever here. Are we, are we fit? It's, it's like mad. Build your case. Okay. The base windows, our first GUIs and this guy puts in a CD that analyzes bar codes on Algezera. Right.

Yeah. So that means he's what, watching Algezera. He's got screenshots of Algezera. It takes him five minutes to download each picture of Algezera and you pull up a command prompt and it looks at, it like does one of those like, this software had to have been the exact same level of technology as where in the world is Carmen Sandiego. Without Rockapella. Yeah.

Exactly. That is, there's no possible way that was even real software. It's fascinating. That was a random number generator. It's fascinating. That's what he made. Well, here's what happened. All right.

A little bit down the line, French intelligence and the CIA did a little bit of looking into his software and they realized that Dennis Montgomery was just making shit up. I knew it. Yep. I know about computers. Not only that, these barcodes on Algezera didn't exist. Where would you put barcodes? He just made even that part up about it.

So the FBI did. All right. So this dude is a con man of ridiculous talents. The FBI did a counter investigation into Dennis Montgomery and found that he had a quote long history of fraud and he hadn't, he hadn't, he had an extensive gambling problem with deep bets. A CIA agent, like I said, was quoted as saying that the whole thing was quote, very embarrassing. His former lawyer, who represented him at that time, who actually his name is Michael

J Flynn, which is weird because that's Mike Flynn's son's name. It's not the same guy as far as I can tell. Well, that's also Michael J Fox's first two names. That's true. I think we can, I think we can rule out Michael J Fox. There's a lot of coincidences. Although there, he was basically this character in the secret of my success, right? I think so.

Yeah. So he described Dennis Montgomery as quote, a con artist and quote, a habitual liar engaged in fraud. That's a guy who defended him. Good for him. Yeah. So that's the guy. That's the guy.

Somehow, somehow, like I thought he was evil before, but once you find out he's a con man, then I just get like, catch me if you can memories in my head where I'm like, I'm rooting for him. I hope he continues to con the authority boy. I'm not. Isn't there a movie where everybody, like there are too many movies where our secret service and our CIA's and our intelligence community is competent when there's so many more stories where they're idiots.

Right. Right. Can we have more CIA's or CIA people are stupid? That deserves our public interest though. We like to create and maintain the image that everyone's super competent. I think I was feeling safe. I would feel a lot better if I knew they were stupid. Jordan, would you like to hear more about Dennis Montgomery?

No. I have one really great. Do I have a choice? Yes. You don't. Yes. You don't. So in 2006, there was a governor's race.

There's a gubernatorial race and in it, Montgomery accused candidate Jim Gibbons and this is in Nevada. He accused Jim Gibbons, of course, of bribery. He claimed that his own business, E-Trepid Technologies had given him casino chips and $100,000 in cash in exchange for favors. So wait, he just said that he committed bribery? Yep. That was his, that was his like, here's what I did, I'm going to blow the lid off this

thing. I committed a crime. You're corrupt and I know it because I was the other end of it. Exactly. Yeah. That's a bad strategy. It's not great. Did he even ask for immunity before hand or did he just call a press conference?

It's unclear. So he claimed that they gave him all of this money in exchange for favors, right? So Montgomery claimed that he had emails from Gibbons private email. Which as we know Montgomery does not know how to email. That proved that he was, he was not lying about the situation. Gibbons said that the emails were fake and had been created by Montgomery. In court, a computer expert testified that he must challenge the authenticity of the emails.

Yeah. The court case was thrown out and 18 month FBI investigation concluded that Gibbons did nothing wrong and cleared him of all charges. 18 months. 18 months. A U.S. Our, our intelligence community is actually done. They're thorough though.

Yeah. Yeah. Sure. A U.S. house ethics committee investigated the charges as well and found no wrongdoing. Now why is this case super important? It shows established Dennis Montgomery is a liar, an idiot, a con man and willing to falsify documents. Super willing.

There is an indication that was born out in court that he has fraudulently created documents. And so now we're citing his documents on the Alex Jones show. Now further. For different. Shit. Now further, the other case where he created this fake software and was shown to be a hoax gives and the FBI investigation showing that he is a history of fraud. Right.

All of this shows that he is a complete liar. He has no credibility and in court has been shown to create false documents. And he probably committed some crimes. Probably. But I mean. You know, you commit a crime. If you accuse that dude of committing a crime, you then say, I also committed. Yeah.

Isn't that a crime? Sure. But it turns out in court that crime didn't happen. So Montgomery is off the hook for bribery because he didn't do because he didn't bribe him, but he he committed fraud or libel or prison for making false statements. Yeah. But I don't know how he's not. It shouldn't.

No, it's at least perjury. If there was actually a trial, he would have had to testify that. And if he had testified that, then that would be perjury. He would have perjured himself under oath. Maybe he did. Unless when he went to trial, he just said he didn't do any of that. He could have like made these claims and like a court case is initiated and then he never said anything under oath.

He could have done that. Exactly. But that's what he had to have done. Probably. Because of course, if he had, then he would have committed a crime and he would be in jail. Yeah. So there's a guy who's the root of these allegations and this fake database that Alex Jones is

citing as evidence of himself and Trump being spied upon, right? It's clear at this point that that is not true. It's absolutely not true. You have kicked more ass on that story than anyone has ever kicked. I promise you it's not done. That is, that's an expose that you just did that no one will really ever hear. And no one cares. But you know what, the reason that they're complaining about how the FBI is making no

moves on this stuff and there's a media blackout, but what we're talking about now is why there's a media blackout. Because no one gives a shit. This guy has no credibility. Like what was the, yeah, you just, you just kicked it. You just kicked the ass. You kicked all the ass on this story. Again, it's not done.

We still have to get to Larry Klayman. Yeah, but seriously, listen, this is amazing. This next clip is, so we're still in the Zulo interview and Jerome Corsi, who has been silently a part of this the whole time, butts in to try and vouch for the situation that's going on. Jerome Corsi is kicking in. And I want to play this clip just as a little, another side argument I want to make right after.

I want to say, look, I've worked with Mike now for, since 2011, we worked together. And I want to say that Mike's as honest as they come. He did not want, he does not want to be doing this. I mean, we've been working on this for days and actually a couple of weeks and Mike, it's like, you know, pulling teeth, he has other things to do. He's not even in the sheriff's office anymore. He's a used car dealer. He's a life to lead and no family to take care of.

He doesn't need to be doing this. And it takes great courage for him to do it. I'm telling you, Mike speaks the truth. It's carefully put together. He's not going to tell you something is so... Sure, the audience knows that. Here's why I played that clip. He's desperately trying to provide credibility for Mike Zulo.

Right. But he doesn't realize that if you look at the history of Jerome Corsi, that's a liar vouching for your credibility, which actually hurts you because Jerome Corsi, as we've laid out in the past, has written a book about Obama's birth certificate being fake. Yes. He was also a member of the Swift boat veterans. The Swift boating. Yeah.

So he is that. So when he comes in and says, this guy is honest as the day is long, to me, that means, oh, we just both have the same propaganda goals. That's all he's saying. Anyway, we're going to get to... That's him looking and being like, dude, I love this guy's lies. We have one more clip. This guy's lies are so good.

We have one more clip of Mike Zulo again, spelling out very clearly and very overtly that he doesn't know anything. There's no information that he has. And in this clip, he even let slip that he can't even confirm that anybody was ever wire tapped, which is kind of unfortunate for the outrageous claims he's trying to make. Well, on chair for a Pios account, if the timeline, and I'm going by memory, so I'm not going to give you dates. But my understanding is this alleged wire tapping, and you have to understand, I have

to say alleged because we can't verify it. But the alleged wire tapping... Just like you see a duck swimming around a pond, but you haven't gotten it for DNA testing. You can't say that's a duck. You know, it looks like a mallard has a green head, it's got orange feet, it's eating moss off the bottom, it's swimming around, but we think it's a duck. Tell us more about what a duck is like. And this is when they were pursuing a sheriff or a pilot under a criminal charge.

That criminal case was dropped, and at the same time, the individuals that were propelling that case moved over to a private law firm, and then out of the clear blue, a civil proceeding ensued. This is talking about Covington and Burling. Again, this is basically what we covered earlier. Right. Cofactories. Let's be clear.

Alex is trying to say that like, if you don't have DNA testing, you can't prove it's a duck. The expression is, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck. So he's going the other direction with a duck metaphor, which I think is fascinating. I love it. But also again, I love the idea that he walks around with his son in the middle of a forest being like, Hey, that's a deer. Hold on one second. We're going to need a blood sample.

A son fucking prove it. Yeah. That's a duck. You son of a bitch. I caught a trout. Fuck you. And also it shows that Alex Jones has a higher standard of proof about like, what is a duck than anything else he talks about on a show.

It's like his standard of evidence is glaring. So we're going to leave Mike Zulo now. That has been his time in the sun as it were. I don't necessarily have a ton against Mike Zulo, except to say that I found evidence in an article. He's part of the Joe Arpaio thing. I hope it gets hit by a truck. Sure.

That's enough. Done and done from the Phoenix. Sold from the Phoenix. New Times. I did find an article about the case against Arpaio. And it's interesting that Mike Zulo was called to testify and he invoked the fifth amendment. What a shocker. He pleaded the fifth against self-incrimination in court, which means, I mean, you're not always

guilty when you plead the fifth. But in this case, it does seem to imply if he wants to go out there publicly and talk about how there's a railroad in case being done, it seems to imply if you're in court, you'd want to provide the evidence and go over this. If you plead the fifth, it kind of means that you're afraid of what might come up. I would argue, oppositely, my advice to anyone who is under any kind of trial, do not say a goddamn word. I agree with that.

That's my advice. I agree with that. Now, whether or not he's guilty, he's guilty. And whether or not he should be in jail, he should be. And all of those things, that's fine. But I do think it is smart to not say a goddamn thing to the cops, ladies and gentlemen. So now at this point, if there's one thing I can tell you, don't snitch. No snitch.

So at this point, we transition our investigation and we go to how Alex ended the week. He had this gentleman who's come up a couple times, Larry Clayman, as a guest on the Friday episode of the show. Right. Meanwhile, throughout the week, he was yelling about this evidence and how it proved everything that he's been saying is correct this whole time. They have a database that has me and Trump in it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So now he has Larry Clayman as a guest.

Here is the introduction of how he brings him into the show. And the world's greatest claymation artist of the world, Larry the Clayman. Exposing there is spying going on against the president and against Congress. It's been in the news for years, the CIA spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Now they've come out and Congressman Nunez has said, no, I've talked to the experts and a little bird told me one of the experts might be joining us on air, but I'm going to leave it at that here in just a moment, Larry Clayman, legendary Larry Clayman. Yeah, but was the bird a duck?

We can't prove it without DNA testing. We can't prove what little bird it was. But here's where we get into where this is extra murky. Could have been a swan. Could have been a swan. Oh, and Devin Nunez presented this new evidence that he got from Trump. No, he didn't. Oh, he didn't.

He got it from Larry Clayman. Larry Clayman? That's what Alex just said. And in this interview, Larry Clayman says as much. Do we have any evidence that Larry Clayman would have talked to him at all? Only based on Larry's word and speculation on this episode. But I do believe it in some ways because the history does bear out. There is.

Look, I can't, I can't prove that these liars aren't always lying. Oh, oh, only if only. But based on Larry Clayman's telling of it, he had been trying to get this information to Devin Nunez for quite a while and succeeded recently. So he tried all of this stuff where Trump feels like he's been facts. I wrote it on the back of that fact on typewriter type wrote a fax. I threw, I threw a paper airplane in the direction of DC again. I have been doing everything I can to get this information to Nunez.

Again, that's Montgomery, not Clayman. Yes, but as we can establish, those are the only forms of communication that Alex Jones and his ilk respect. One thing that's important to lay out here is that Larry Clayman is Dennis Montgomery's lawyer now. The former lawyer called him a con artist habitually engaged in fraud. Yes. Now Larry Clayman is his lawyer.

The two of them met through Joe Arpaio. When Joe Arpaio was being represented by Larry Clayman and Dennis Montgomery was the confidential informant. So we're having a wonderful romantic comedy right now. This is the meat queue. Yeah, absolutely. This is what this is. They meet each other right next to a water fountain, accidentally bump into each other.

We take a slight turn to do a love triangle. We take a slight break from all of this information that we've been laying out in Larry Clayman's introduction. Alex Jones realizes that you got to pay the bills. Now we've got Larry Clayman on who's just so many victories against Globals. Won the big case against the NSA to help expose the stuff that was going on years ago. The only case out there where we've had a victory.

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I mean, Maine's of Tom. I've not reviewed their contract, so I certainly don't know. I'm sure it's online. So here we go. Alex Jones now gets into the full on bio of Larry Klayman and I'll be back in a moment. So Larry Klayman joins us one over his whole bio. It would take too long, but everybody knows who Larry Klayman is. No one knows who Larry Klayman is a duck.

No one knows who Larry Klayman is and he doesn't go over his bio. So I will. Would you like to know, would you like to know some fun facts about Larry Klayman? In Klayman's behavior in a 1992 trial in California federal court, Judge William Keller barred Klayman from his courtroom for life. Hold on, is it, is it a Chuck E cheese? What is happening? Hold on.

Five years later in a separate case in New York, Klayman's behavior led then district judge Dennis Chin or I'm sorry, Denny Chin to issue a lifetime ban on the attorney practicing law before him. Well, Denny Chin sounds like he's in the mafia though. Two judges, Denny Chin. He's over here. Two federal judges have barred him from practicing law in front of him for life. Klayman has written about his dealings with even do that.

Yeah. Is that a thing you can just do? You can. You can just be, if you're a judge, you can just be like, nope. It's essentially, it's essentially an extreme version of holding someone in contempt. Yeah. You can. Absolutely.

Do you at least get to say he's out of order first? Of course. Oh, you have to. Yeah. Well, Klayman has written about his dealings with Keller and Chin claiming that Keller acted quote, erratic and was quote, obviously drunk at the bench. I don't believe you. That's awesome.

I don't believe you. That's the best way in 2007, Klayman received a $25,000 retainer from a Daytona Beach woman facing criminal charges and she accused him of not providing legal services in return. The Florida bar association mediated the matter and Klayman agreed to pay off a small portion within 90 days. But after that day off that 90 days after that deadline passed, he didn't pay. He was reprimanded by the association. That was it.

Yep. They were just like, Hey, hey, stop it, bro. He's filed at least. You don't have to pay her, but come on. He has filed at least 18 lawsuits against the Clintons, raging from accusations of racketeering to a bunch of shit about Benghazi in the wake of the 2016 shooting of a Dallas police officer or was multiple police officers. Excuse me.

Yes. Klayman filed a lawsuit against Obama, former US Attorney General Eric Holder, the nation of Islam's leader, Lewis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, and some founders of Black Lives Matter movement alleging they had quote, incited a race war that led to the shooting. Klayman amended the complaint to include Dallas police officer who was shot as the plaintiff and Hillary Clinton and George Soros as defendants and funnily enough, I mean, this is super weird, but I'm reading off your screen. Former San Antonio's first star, Tim Duncan.

I don't know how he got in there, but he is part of the conspiracy claim and just wanted to meet him. Yeah. Yeah. It's implied that case was dismissed. Oh, it was. Who would have guessed I'm going to list off a lot of cases and all of them have been dismissed.

Yeah. So can you just keep doing that? Yeah. Apparently. Like nobody's gonna stop you. Apparently. It takes a lot to get disbarred. What it even is being a lawyer.

If you can just do that. Does he have, is anybody paying him for this? Also James Carville, the rage and Cajun called him like a jackass. Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Anyway, somebody had to in 1998, Klayman sued his mother for $50,000. Did he win seeking reimbursement for medical care provided to his maternal grandmother. After Klayman's brother told Newsweek magazine of the lawsuit, Klayman alleged that the Clinton

White House was responsible for the magazine acquiring the information. Nope. It was your brother. That. That's a stretch. Yeah. That's a stretch. He did.

He was unsuccessful. So he's just an insane person. Yeah. In October, 2014, Klayman sued the Obama administration, claiming it secretly allowed the Ebola virus to enter the United States. No, that one, I believe. So it could be used against Americans. Totally true.

Of the quote Caucasian race and Jewish Christian religion. I can't imagine any, any other possible explanation. I think he's right on with that one in 2010. He sued to try and block the quote ground zero mosque. He was involved in that love those lies in February, 2015, Klayman filed a defamation suit on behalf of Dennis Montgomery, who is just like a divorce lawyer. What does he do during the day? I think he's a media whore.

Yeah. Well, yeah. But I mean, he's got to have it. Like he is a legit lawyer. Yeah. I know. But like, what does he do? He's a lawyer who, I don't know.

Who knows. Listen. Does he, does he, is he an ambulance chaser? Is he like, okay, I'm going to sue Obama, but right after I get you this settlement on your car crash, listen, show up in a cast. I mean, probably. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a better close all type of guy. Yeah.

I bet he's pretty great at it too. He's an inveterate liar and he's super good at that. So here's where he dovetails a little bit with Dennis Montgomery. He filed a defamation lawsuit on behalf of Dennis Montgomery against James Ryzen, the author of a book called Pay Any Price, Greed, Power, and the Endless War. The lawsuit alleged that Ryzen falsely described Montgomery as quote, the maestro behind what many current and former U.S. officials believe was the most elaborate and dangerous hoaxes in American history.

This is that software we discussed earlier that alleged to be able to predict terrorist attacks that was based on nothing. So that's such a solid bullshitting. But Dennis Montgomery, how do you, how do you get to be that good of a con man that you can just make that shit up? I don't know. Just like here's it and it couldn't have even looked like, like that's the thing about computers.

I don't think he would possibly have been able to show the software to anybody. He wrote a fake, he wrote a fake software thing, but because people don't have that computer savvy, they're willing to be taken in by it. Yep. Like they're just like, oh, this is why we can't have old people in power anymore. They don't even, like we can't do it. Nope. We get like they, they don't even live in the world we live in anymore.

Right? They're on, they're unaware. Like the, like the DNC hacking was not some sort of complicated movie hacking. It was Podesta clicked on a fucking link. Yep. Like that's all it was. That's like, there's no real hacking going on. Like what people think it is, it's just these guys are idiots.

The hack itself was the least sophisticated part of it. The bot farms and stuff like that is far more complicated. That's amazing. Yeah. Good stuff. But again, all of this stuff exists because the people that we have in power are old and out of touch and pointless. Sure.

Let me get through Larry Klayman's bio here because Alex refuses to get through the bio. Oh, we're still, we're still there. There's more. Well, you know what? Alex was right in saying that he did not have time to get through that. We do. Yeah. So Klayman on behalf of Dennis Montgomery files this lawsuit of defamation.

Yeah. 2016 in July, a federal court dismissed that lawsuit. Right. It was appealed as I understand and that appeal was denied. That's kind of like, I believe Marie Le Pen, the French prime ministerial candidate. A fascist lawsuit. Yeah. She is legally a fascist.

According to the law, you can and will call her a fascist. That's a great lawsuit. There's two sides of that lawsuit. One part of it is that she is legally a fascist, but then the other side of it is that one of the judge's findings was that you can't consider it defamation when you're in a political sphere. Yeah. Like just describing someone's political beliefs isn't defamation if there is credibility

to it. All I want to hear is that in a court of law, she is a fascist. Larry Klayman filed at least three lawsuits claiming that Obama was not eligible to be president because his birth certificate was fake. He tried to defend Clive and Bundy as his lawyer. Good work. As we all know, Clive and Bundy is a crazy person. As is Larry Klayman.

As is Montgomery. He tried to be Clive and Bundy's lawyer, but the judge ruled that he, Klayman, had been dishonest about his history of being censured and disciplined by past courts and he had no clearance or standing to assign himself as someone else's lawyer. So he was. So one, that means Clive and Bundy did not want his help at all. Probably not. And two, I would actually go the opposite direction where the judge is like, Jesus man, you said

you have been censured more than you actually have. Why are you claiming to have been censured by 20 judges? It was just a couple. I'm a victim. Yeah, exactly. On October 13th, 2013, during the U.S. government shutdown, Klayman declared at a conservative rally in Washington, D.C. that quote, this president is not a president of we, the people. He's a president of his people.

Whoops. That's probably racially charged. Very racist. He urged the crowd to begin a, quote, second American nonviolent revolution and demanded that President Obama, quote, put the Koran down and figuratively come out with his hands up. Weeks later. Hey, put the Koran down and get some chicken in you.

Jesus Christ, you need to eat. Weeks later, Klayman sponsored a quote, reclaim America rally in Lafayette Square across from the White House calling for the president's removal. Klayman stated that if Obama did- When was the first American nonviolent revolution? I can't think of one. I think we've had a lot more of the nonviolent revolutions. Klayman stated that if Obama did not resign, conservative activists would meet to establish a quote, shadow government, whoops, bad use of terms, considering that now all they talk

about is how there's a shadow government. He's threatening to create one. Yeah. Anyway. I would like to see him try. Klayman had. I want to get invited to those meetings. Klayman had encouraged, quote, millions to occupy Washington, D.C., but reported attendance

to his rally was between 130 and 200 people. All right. So not great. So they're going to talk about this and Alex already referenced it a little bit. He won a court case about. So we're talking about his win. We're not talking about as many and varied and magnificent losses. Yes.

We're going to talk about his win. Yes. Okay. Good. He had a court case called Klayman versus Obama, where he was trying to contest the legality of bulk collection of phone and internet metadata. Good. That's a good one.

We can agree that a lot of that shit is dubious. Like a lot of that stuff is, is pretty. A lot of it is illegal. It's pretty fucked up. A lot of it is horrifying and a police state and so on and so forth. So he brought this case in front of a judge, right? And the judge. And the judge did not laugh at him.

Here come the judge. Did the judge not fucking Google him? This is why we can't have old people. If you're a judge and you Google this fucking guy, wouldn't you just be like, no, go, go, go, go. And then you would, you would be, the judge would have a broom and just like shoe him out of the courtroom. Like it's like you can Google that's what you should do.

So he, it was in 2013 and US federal judge, Richard J Leon, he ruled that bulk collection of American telephone metadata likely violates the constitution. He had insanely legitimate concerns about how this program could violate people's fourth amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure. And it does. And it should be stopped. Right. And it was.

Well, yeah. Publicly it was stopped. Right. And that actually comes into the ruling. Yeah. Because it was ended before this way before that. But so he rules in favor of Clayman and the guy whose last name is strange, which is kind of fun.

They were the two defendants or plaintiffs. I can't remember. Right. And the original trial was held in the astro plane. Yes. Yeah. That makes sense. So they brought this case and the judge agreed with the arguments that metadata collection

violates the fourth amendment. Bulk metadata. What he did in his ruling was to say, I suspend my judgment for six months to allow the government to appeal because the government is going to appeal this. So in his ruling, he said that he made an injunction that any metadata collection regarding strange or Clayman had to stop and every bit of information that had been collected about them had to be destroyed. Yeah.

But he stayed his ruling for six months, allowing for appeal. So what he means is that during that six months, they can still collect their metadata. No. Or during that. Maybe. No. If he's suspending his ruling, that means that nothing has to change for the next six months.

If the government doesn't respond, then the ruling stands. Exactly. Well, the government did respond. What a shocker. And basically, the appeals court found that because the program had been ended, they didn't have a responsibility to rule on the legality of the fourth amendment claims. Yes. Secondarily, they found that there's no evidence that could be provided that Clayman or strange

actually were spied on at all or had their metadata collected. And therefore, they had no standing in court to bring this case. So even though the government did collect bulk metadata because they couldn't prove their metadata was collected, yes, they're kicked out. Well, because they can't represent the entirety of the American people. Part of their argument was that they are Verizon customers and that the government had admitted that they collected Verizon metadata. Yeah.

But the thing is most likely their metadata was collected. Hold on. The government admitted that they collected business data through Verizon, like Verizon business customers, not individual UNI cell phone owners. They collected things through a different part of Verizon's business. Now I admit, this is dubious. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like that defense at all.

I think it's sketchy as fuck. But I do think that based on the law and based on, like I'm telling you, I read these court decisions. Yeah, I know because you're a lunatic. And I don't think that the decisions were wrong. I think the appeals court was right. He didn't have the standing, but at the same time, the conclusion is correct that metadata collection is an unreasonable search and seizure.

So he was right. And they've probably stopped it. Wink, wink. Well, I think, I think it has in a lot of ways. Yeah. I don't know who cares. I just don't trust. Yeah.

I just don't trust it. Based on all the information we can find, it has stopped based on what we're afraid is actually the truth. It hasn't. Yeah. The claimant is right on that count. He had the right idea. He's wrong about everything else.

Yeah. His claims that he beat the NSA in a court case is wrong. He had a case where they agreed with him or they were inclined to agree with him, suspended judgment and then appeals court shot it down. Anyway, let's get into it. Let's enjoy this. You're so tired. You're exhausting yourself.

I'm spent. This is the most work I think any human being has ever done. Yeah. This next clip is where Larry claimant, I love sitting on this side of the table. This clip, Larry claimant tries to do a little bit of a dance or he has to be sure that he has not seen any of the information. He's this guy's lawyer, but he hasn't seen any of it. We on Sunday via some other folks that work with us publish some things that have been

out there in federal court showing that Trump was being surveilled claimant is separate from that. He was involved though, getting that CIA whistleblower basically to come forward and so he's been trying in the system for a long time to do this. He's also the guy that has won against the Supreme Court Court. So he's separate from that, but from a different angle. Newsmax.com. He also has had his articles and things published there.

I apologize. That was Alex trying not to implicate himself and Larry in the dance. So you're right. I am exhausted. It's been a long weekend. Yeah. So here, here is Larry breaking down what he sees as Montgomery's case. Yes.

I've kind of prefaced things, correct where I'm wrong, whatever, just let's get into the meat and potatoes of a classified case you're involved in. It's a danger to get into, but really is a Rosetta stone or a skeleton key to so much. Yes, this is important because Dennis Montgomery is really kind of the successor to Mr. Benny. We just had one and I take my hat off to Mr. Benny as well, actually represented him for a while going back as a whistleblower. He had Benny the technical head of the NSA. Oh, okay.

I got you. As we know, he spouted a bunch of bullshit. And also on this episode, he had as a guest, some guy whose nickname is Tonto Speranto. I don't like any of those words you just said. He's a guy who survived the Benghazi attack and Tonto Speranto. He's the hero of Benghazi. And he was, you know what, he came off as fairly reasonable, but also pretty aggressive. And at the end of the interview, he said, like, Hey, you know what, if people are afraid,

like if they want to arrest George Soros and they're afraid, I'll do it. I'll go in. I'll do it. So Alex later uses that as like, he's like, Hey, Tonto Speranto was on. He said he's ready to arrest George Soros. He's like, well, that's not quite what he said. Okay. So if you're afraid and we should arrest him, I'll go in and do it.

I'm a Marine. You know? And so he's like, he thinks that he should be arrested. He's ready to go do it himself. They just being held back. Is Tonto Speranto a real Marine? Yeah. He survived Benghazi.

Do we know that? I don't. But I do. There's a movie about him. Like he's a real dude. Oh, he's a real dude. I can't remember his. He survived Benghazi.

I can't for, I can't remember. And now he's going on Alex Jones' show. I can't remember his first name, but he goes by Tonto. Well, I'm against it. I'll be honest. He seemed like a pretty decent dude as far as Alex Jones is guessed to go. But yeah, that's a low, low, low, low, low. He has probably been kicked out of only one court and never allowed to be there.

And for Applebee in this day, he's had Tonto on. He's had William or Richard Benny, William, Benny, can't remember his first name now. He's the technical head of the NSA was mostly Muslim baiting stuff. Yes. And then now he has Larry claiming on. So that's who he was referring to in that. We've had a lot of guests recently. He has to, man.

He's, he's scrambling. Yeah. Wow. You scrambling. Also, you can kind of hear it in his voice. He doesn't have the, he doesn't have the fire. He's losing it a little bit. He doesn't have the heart.

I don't know. Maybe next week we'll be different. You know, this, this week he started with the, at the end of the week that we're covering right now, which was last week when you're listening, you know, he did his big pizza gate apology. Yeah. Maybe that could reinvigorate him a little bit. We'll see.

But anyway, here we go. Back to claiming. But Dennis Montgomery was an NSA CIA contractor and he left the NSA and CIA with 47 hard drives, over 600 million pages of information, much of it classified. Again, the only evidence we can find of him being a contractor at all is creating that software that analyzes Al Jazeera. It's questionable whether in that capacity he would have access at all to 47 hard drives. 47 hard drives or 600 million documents.

If he, if he did have all those things, yeah, that's pretty crazy. And he must have been going way outside of his way, right? In order to get those things. Yeah. I mean, it's massively illegal, but I don't know, it's all, it's all the bad things. It's all the bad things. And so here we go. This next clip is Larry Klayman coming in much like Mike Zulu and really trying hard

to make sure that people don't think that he's seen the documents. And I felt that we needed to take him to sources in government who could do something that could listen to what he had to say because much of it's classified. I can't see it. And we needed to put it in the right hands. So I went to a federal judge by, let's be clear, you had it, but you wouldn't look at it. I didn't look at it.

He had it. He had the 47 hard drives. I never took possession of 60 million pages, 600 million pages and what he told me was on there was that there was surveillance on the chief justice of the United States, other justices, 156 judges, uh, president Trump, when he was a businessman, other prominent businessmen and yours truly Oprah, the amount of Oprah Winfrey. So let's, let's take a step, let's take a second and take a step back. The only time that he could have possibly had access to NSA CIA documents is around

the period of 2003. It's the period of time when he was involved and was massively discredited. He was thrown out with prejudice. The FBI did a counter investigation on him and found to be a fraud. There's no way he would ever be able to get any sort of clearance after that. So in 2003, 2004, unless I'm listening, that, uh, that Al Jazeera software did work was in fact a Trojan horse. Have you considered this, right?

So like, uh, uh, uh, Captain America shield, I'm listening or the, which is the other one, the acronym, uh, the Avengers, no, no, no, the, the bad guys, uh, Hydra, Cobra, Hydra, about G.I. Joe now, Hydra. Okay. Uh, it, from the very beginning, like from the very beginning, because the Al Jazeera software was on there, Montgomery has pinpoint accurate information from every level of government because he is actually the guy who originated all of it.

See, now Occam's razor tells me you're right. I don't like it. Simplest explanation. Obviously that's the one, but the point is he can't possibly have information stolen of course not past that date in the early 2010s, he's working with Joe Arpaio and he has this database of Maricopa County residents that are being victims of bank frauds, which is now being repurposed as people who are being spied on, including Trump, Alex Jones, all this shit.

Well, before we even go any further, 600 million sounds so fucking made up. Where do you get 600 million documents? Like genuinely, what, what area of the government other than maybe that bulk metadata collection system would have anything close to 600 million, anything? And even if it was the bulk metadata, that's not documents. That's just point by point GPS location or that kind of shit. So where would you get 600 million documents? And it would be, like I said, from 14 years ago.

Yeah. Like is there even that much information in the fucking library of Congress? Probably not. Like in the, in the archives of all the stuff. Yeah. I don't know. 600 million is a made of, he might as well have said one Cajillion. I have one Cajillion documents.

Might as well. Yeah. And that's obvious bullshit. And again, an important point is that Larry Klayman is coming out as a lawyer, uh, being on Alex Jones' program to discuss this stuff that he, well, for legal reasons, he is coming on as a private citizen. But he only has secondary knowledge of, he has no idea what's actually in these documents. Because it's illegal for him to know what's on in the documents.

Exactly. It's much like Roger Stone saying his doctors said he had polonium poisoning. They can't refute that. Yeah. It's illegal. Yeah. Doctor patient. Yeah.

Yeah. It's these same games that are so, it's propaganda games. But even then, even then, right? You got 600 million documents, you're not going to take a look at one. Come on, man. I don't know. You got to take a look at one. You got to, you got to get a taste of the Coke to make sure that it's real.

I'd be so scared. Right? I'd be, you know, I'd probably run away. You do not. Well, yeah. That's why you don't buy my drugs. Dennis Montgomery comes up to me, I scream and run the other direction. I like, I don't want any of these 47 hard drives.

As everybody knows, you take your Coke, uh, pinky nail, you put it into the Coke. You make sure that the Coke is high quality. So at this next clip. Yeah. This next clip is, uh, Clayman confirming that he did in fact, uh, discuss things with Devin Nunez. Chairman Nunez last Monday said, come forward with information and that's what we've done and we've told them.

And I'm glad you said it because I have other sources. You're one of six sources Nunez has, including NSA, CIA, you're an outside source that cooperated when he was already being told he should know all this, but they stonewall in the agencies. But I have whistleblowers because it's the president and they're lying about him. So they should do this coming forward. And so, and so now Nunez is, is, is next to you and others able to say this. So either all of this is just a fantasy world lies and all that, or there's a possibility that he did in fact talk to Nunez.

And that's where he got even more terrifying. And that's where he got a lot of this information that has led to this very confusing period in our history where Nunez is acting up and not certainly not acting as, uh, the house intelligence committee chairman should know he should be fucking destroyed. And if he is acting in fact on this information that has its roots in, uh, uh, someone who has a complete, uh, con man, uh, engaged in habitual fraud, uh, like Dennis Montgomery, even then Nunez himself came on again and said that documents show no indication of wiretap on Trump tower.

I think Nunez himself walked back all of this bullshit. I think it's like a zigzag of Nunez being shook because there was, uh, that thing that came out the other day about, uh, Flynn, the, the meetings that he had with the, uh, Turkish ambassador about, uh, ex extraditing this Gulen guy, uh, who Turkey Erdogan wants, uh, to be extradited because Erdogan believes that this cleric was responsible for the coup attempt. The fake coup. Fake coup attempt.

That proved that the coup attempt was fake. I'm pretty sure it was totally fake. Uh, so he wants this guy extradited and the United States does not believe it would be appropriate and Flynn was being paid to help extradite this guy that came out that the meeting between Flynn and the Turkish ambassador was also attended by Devin Nunez. He was also there. Really? Yes.

So now with the, with the information we have that with that, because now we have information that maybe, uh, Flynn has turned, uh, state's evidence. Yeah. At this point on Sunday, when we're recording this, it's still not sure. Nobody's confirmed anything to come out any day, but there's indications and sources on anonymous sources are indicating that he might have cut a deal, which again, I, you know, anonymous sources are anonymous sources. Take it with a grain of salt.

Fuck. Alex Jones has anonymous sources. So that doesn't mean anything. No. But the timeline kind of suggests that maybe this is a possibility. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's possible. It's not proven.

It's not definite. And the hard part to the only part that's hard to swallow about him turning state's evidence is if you look at all of this shit, everybody would go down. Yeah. So either there's genuinely the entire government gets taken down from top to bottom, not everyone, not everyone, but like a shit ton of people in power, a whole lot of the right, or it's not as big a deal as we think it is, or it's somewhere in between. It's hard to say.

I think the truth is probably somewhere in between. But the reality is that like all that stuff that isn't, we can't prove. We can prove that Nunez was in that meeting with Flynn and the Turkish ambassador. No. And Nunez doesn't look good. Nunez is in the fucking balls of Trump. That's what it is. And Nunez is given Handys with a little bit of prostate stimulation to Trump every possible

chance he can. And there is that documentation of him disappearing the night before he went to the White House. Apparently meeting with somebody like there's a lot of stuff that's real fucked up. Yeah. So no, every, the entire, the entire American government should be shut down for a while. My thought, nobody should be allowed to do anything. My thought is that I don't think he was meeting with Larry Klayman that night. But some of that stuff does relate to this.

I think he was actually meeting with Larry Flint that night. It's possible. It's entirely possible. But he dead. He's dead. I don't know. He's probably dead. I don't care if he's alive.

So I have no idea. He's done good works. Great. But what I'm saying is essentially that a lot of this stuff that, that Nunez's behavior while not singularly motivated by this Montgomery information, which we've pretty clearly, I think on this episode shown to be bullshit or at least I don't think, I don't think it's possible to be much clearer that it's bullshit. But I think that part of his behavior was influenced by Klayman and the Montgomery information.

Yeah. Also, the conspiracy theory community is a flame. There's a lot of, like on the blogs and on the message boards, there's a ton of stuff about why are people investigating Montgomery? I just did. Yeah. Suck it. Well, this is even more, this is kind of even more interesting is that like we, we

denigrate the conspiracy theory blogs and yet at the same time, it's hard not to look at reality and go, some kind of conspiracy is happening or there's been such a confluence of idiots happening all at the same time in this weird coincidence that and that's, that's almost as likely as anything else. I think it's just as like, like with the Montgomery thing, right? Yeah. Those idiots believe that shit. Yeah.

Just as likely what's going on right now is that everybody's just fucking stupid or there's a fucking conspiracy pushed by Russia and all of this shit. I think that you've touched on something important that I've been wanting to bring up for a while and I'll just deal with sort of slightly. And that is that as we talk about how much of a liar Alex Jones is and all this stuff is bullshit, I don't want to paint with a broad brush all people who believe in conspiracy theories as the same. They're not.

There are a lot of people who are very smart and do real good research. The idea that we would be denigrating the entire conspiracy community by attacking Alex Jones is unfair. And I think that it's easy to make that assumption if we're not clear about it. There's a lot of people who also believe Alex Jones is full of shit, but believe in conspiracies and God bless them. There are those people. Chemtrails got a chem.

Sure. But there are, there are not stupid, crazy people in that world. Unfortunately, there is a lot of stupid, crazy people in that world. And we fall somewhere in between. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. So this next clip is Larry Klayman explaining why this is a matter of immediate importance.

This is something that has to be dealt with now or never. Exactly like how we need to finally get to the bottom of Obama's birth certificate now or never. And I will file three court cases about it. It's kind of time to go public, you know. Well, yeah, and we want to do it in the right way by bringing on your show in front of people. But this is bigger than stuff. This is 600 million.

I know why you've been young. Right. Right. Because there's so much there. And here's the reality. My dick's bigger than yours. It's noted. Montgomery could die as a brain in yours.

He needs to be interviewed immediately. For those that don't know, it's when the artery is puffing out and it can blow at any time. Put him under oath. Okay. He's willing to come forward. He's risked his life here. This guy's a hero. He's risked his life.

He's come forward. You know how a brain aneurysm works, right? Like at any point in time, any of us could just die from a brain aneurysm. I'm dead. Yeah. That's a nonsense thing. Yeah. But it's not like he has cancer.

That's like he could die from a lightning strike at any moment. He needs to be interviewed right now. But again, it's just trying to create a sense of immediacy about it. It's also trying to create sort of a tragic hero story around this obvious liar. What possible reason could you have to interview him now? I'd like to interview him. That's a good point. If we could get Dennis Montgomery on this podcast, I'm in.

I'm in. See him on all of our emails. Cause I got a lot of questions. I've got a ton of fucking questions. So this next. What's your perfect Sunday, Mr. Montgomery? That would be my first question. That would be our first question.

First date. Bistro or movie. Why did I say Bistro? I have no idea. I've never been to a Bistro. What are you talking about? You know what happened? I legitimately think I flashed back to like French classes.

I think my brain just like, yeah, are you doing before midnight at us? What is happening? I love that movie. Of course you do. I also love Richard Linklater, which is so confusing that he puts Alex Jones in two of his movies. Anyway, if Richard Linklater is out there, I'd love to talk to you too. We're the next star fuck.

I'd like to talk to you about how interesting boyhood was, but it wasn't a good movie anyway. In his next clip, Larry Claimant gets into talking a little bit more about Montgomery himself and brings in the Joe Arpaio situation. So enjoy it. But there's no proof, I look him up, but just a minute or two on Montgomery and why this is so important and where we think this database came from. That's right, Janice. I mean, excuse me, Alex.

People have tried to destroy his credibility. That's what they've done with President Trump from these agencies. People have not tried it. We have done that. It's so easy. We have successfully done that. It's so easy. We didn't even try to destroy his credibility.

I mean, you did. All it took was like a couple of Google searches and Google and just a couple, like just read a couple of articles. Like it's not that hard. You find this guy is a massive snake oil salesman. And if he wasn't being used for propaganda purposes, I agree with you. He would be fun. It would be fun.

It would be like, is he going to make it? Is he going to pull this off? Yeah. There's always a part of me that's going to be on the side of the guy trying to fuck with the FBI. I think that there also is an archetype of that like down and out, two-time loser, gambling loser kind of guy who's just like trying to pull one last score. One big score that's going to solve all of his problems.

As our culture, we're all ingrained to pull for that. We all want to see the little guy strike out against the system. And it's unfortunate that this little guy striking out against the system is being used propagandistically to support the system. Yeah. It seems like we all want a Robin Hood and they all wind up being not Robin Hood. Well, it's Robin Hood who's working for the Sheriff of Nottingham. Yeah.

It turns out. Yeah. Yeah. That's all. Anyway, here we go. The murderous, monstrous Sheriff of Nottingham. You know what? We got to get back to Sheriff's being the most important.

Anyway. That fucking nonsense, the Sheriff's movement, all that stuff. Oh, I hope. That's for another day. No, fuck everybody. This reporter, this hack reporter, James Ryzen of the New York Times. It's a hack reporter. That's the guy who wrote the book about, that involved the fraud that Montgomery pulled.

And again, Larry Clayman as lawyer for Dennis Montgomery sued this writer was unsuccessful. The case was thrown out of court. Of course. So now he's coming on Alex Jones and saying he's a hack reporter. No, he's not. You failed. You know, smear him. But that actually confirms that he is the guy that you need to talk to because he knows

where the bodies are buried. No pun intended. Sure, when somebody's getting demonized nowadays, especially, you know they're the good ones. That's not a pun. That doesn't count as a pun. Yeah, they're the good guys. And in terms of what happened out there in Arizona with Sheriff R. Pyle, I represented in the successful amnesty case that knocked out Obama's immigration lawyer.

Our Pyle wasn't served well by his lawyers. That didn't happen. With regard to Dennis Montgomery, he somehow got dragged into that, which is why we're proceeding on a separate track. And I sympathize with Sheriff R. Pyle and he's a great man. Yeah, I'm talking. He's staying out of this. Right.

But Alex Jones, there's like, I've talked to him. He's staying out of this. He's staying out of this. If you say our Pyle is a great man, I automatically wish for your death. You lose all of your credibility. I automatically wish for your death. Yeah. Like legit.

You do not belong in this world. You 100% don't, or you're not, at least you're not in touch with your own humanity. You're a sociopath. But then Alex being like, I've talked to our Pyle. He's staying out of this. Our Pyle reason, our Pyle said that Montgomery's investigation was junk. That's a good reason to stay out of it. So now I want to bring this back to this Phoenix news article that I was talking about earlier.

Right. And I want to, I want to just play this out. And remember, young is the lawyer that's trying the case against our Pyle. According to reports presented in court in November, 2014, two outside experts with experience with the NSA evaluated Montgomery's hard drives for the sheriff's office and concluded that Montgomery was quote, a complete and total fraud young brought this young brought this up in court to our Pyle quote, quote, at least by November, 2014. You knew Dennis Montgomery was a fraud.

That's the question that young asked quote, that was putting it lightly, or Pyle said. That was putting it lightly, or Pyle said, noted they had been working, they had been working Montgomery for a year at that point, quote, so we decided to stop paying him. Young went on to present email records showing members of our Pyle's team were still in touch with Montgomery for months after that into 2015, quote, would a law enforcement officer have to be incredibly stupid to continue working with someone known to be a complete and total fraud young asked our Pyle's attorney, John Masterson, objected to the question, which Judge Snow sustained.

How can you sustain that? I mean, it's, I think it's leading. Okay. It's leading. Technically, that is leading. Would be conjecture. Yeah. However, no, I'm going to go with yes.

The answer is yes. As humans, it's a fair question in court. It's dubious. Probably not. Probably not. So, uh, after court Masterson accused young of insulting the sheriff, young group reminded our Pyle that Judge Snow had asked him in April whether Montgomery had investigated Judge Snow and our Pyle never brought up the timelines, which again, were the faxes with the weird

typorating on the back or other documents Montgomery had made that included Judge Snow. Quote, I never thought of that timeline when he asked me the question, our Pyle said, quote, do you regret not telling him those things in April, young asked, quote, in retrospect, maybe I should have brought it up, but it never came to my mind at that time. Uh, our Pyle said, uh, man, this is, yeah, so fuck you. So the idea that our Pyle is staying out of it is really not really relevant. He's admitted in court that this guy is a complete and total fraud, but also admitted that he kept working with him or his department kept working with him after he was shown.

Well, he's a genius. After NSA, uh, investigators evaluated his hard drives as a fraud. Now this is again, this is like the Marie Le Pen fascist situation. You should be allowed to prove in court that our Pyle is an idiot. I think it is a legal imperative. The only reason I disagree is under it's, it's irrelevant. Like that. I don't think it's irrelevant.

If you were to bring a court case specifically designed to prove that he's an idiot, then it's relevant. But because it's a contempt of court case, it's, it's irrelevant to the matter at hand. Sure. That's why the court has to dismiss. True. Are you an idiot? Which I, I still love that the although in the eventual death penalty trial that our

payo should be under, you probably shouldn't prove that he's an idiot unless you're in Texas, in which case you can still execute him. Yeah. Uh, so, uh, at this point, claiming once again, guys, you should execute Jara payo. I don't think he doesn't deserve it. I'd like to see a court trial though. Oh man. Like I don't, I don't want any violence to happen to him except for sanctioned because

of his actions. Don't believe in the death penalty. Believe that he should be executed again. I want to be clear that me and Jordan know a ton more than is on this podcast and please look into Joe Arpaio's history. Yeah. It sounds like we're being severe based on what we've talked about in this podcast. Not even close.

Real talk. We had to edit some stuff out. I nearly cried. I'm not joking. You're not joking. And almost fainted. We had to pause. I had to go outside and walk around just based on how bad a dude this is.

He didn't even get halfway through that shit. So please look into that again, Arpaio's a monster, but we have to get back to the matter at hand, which is this interview with Larry Klayman where he insists that all his shit is credible. Yeah. And then beyond that, he goes to lay the blame for what like the Trump spying and all this shit on people who are no longer in office. The current predicament is the fault of people who have not been involved for quite a while.

Shadow government. Go through this. Well, that's what I, when I was, we just go talking to Corsi, he talked to the White House and so did I. They all know it's real. We're like, get Montgomery in or make a press conference and then they're just like, we'll check and I don't know what's going on, but I don't know why that hasn't happened. Well, don't trust the intelligence agencies to give you the truth because as Mr. Benny

just said, they lie. Okay. I agree with that. I want to be clear. Generally, I agree. Yeah. That's a, that's a generally true statement. A lot of times you got to take things that intelligence agencies say with a grain of

salt. If somebody says anonymous sources within the government, you should probably be aware that there is a reason those anonymous sources are sharing that information, but sometimes generally not to share the truth. Sometimes it's manipulative. Sometimes it is people protecting their confidentiality. So I mean, like it goes both ways. Sometimes it is legit.

Sometimes it's not, but you should definitely know in advance that there's a very, you know, I would say 70, 30 manipulative. The message I think that is most important is that intelligence communities do lie to people a lot of the time, but sometimes they don't. I mean, it's technically their job. You should look for evidence. You should look for truth as opposed to believing or disbelieving what things are said to you. Right.

Everything. Just take, take things as they come to you. Look for facts. Have a knowledge. I've realized legitimately, legitimately, that was, that was the smoothest you've ever been. Legitimately. It's the wine.

That's it. We're drinking storyteller wine. We are drinking story. You're right. You're right. Legitimately. I'm getting to the point where I'm realizing that if I ever want this to take off, I'm going to have to start mimicking some of Alex Jones's behaviors.

So I'm going to start with it. Look for facts. You dumb fuck. All right. But meanwhile, all listeners are really awesome and they're really cool. Yeah. I don't think that you guys are idiots. Maybe a couple.

Oh, Jesus. No, I don't know. What's wrong with you? I'm just assuming we have like just like statistically hundreds of listeners, the people that I've communicated with seem really awesome, but I got to assume there's some dumb, dumb's in there. I listen. What are you doing right now?

This is the wine. Guys, guys, we've had a, we've had a rough podcast from time to time. I have just learned more about Joe Arpaio and you'll understand where we're coming from. I've just blamed the wine for me being smooth and for me lashing out at hypothetical listeners. This is great. And this is why we don't record on Wednesdays, Wednesdays is dance therapy day. Yeah.

Anyway, here we go. Back to this where he blames like a clapper and what have you. I'm sorry for putting your personal business up. I think I've done it in the past myself. Totally. A bunch of times. They're covering up. You have two very corrupt people under the Obama administration that run the director

of national intelligence clapper who's a certified liar who lied under us. I was about to say, why are these people still in Trump needs to get rid of all he got his certification from Trump University. Well, Trump needs to get rid of all these dudes who are no longer in office. It's time he got rid of them. Clapper is not. Yeah, but it's time to get rid of them. Got to get rid of them.

Yeah. First gone. John Brennan, former CIA director. John former. I like how always corrupt as well. He tried to destroy Trump. I mean, he didn't. He just, I think the example that Alex keeps going back to is that, uh, Clapper, uh, who's

gone, uh, John Brennan, who, uh, was also gone. He's gone now. Yeah. But he, when Trump got elected in between him being sworn in, he said that he should watch his mouth. He should be careful about the things he says, which I mean, sure, which is such a childish way of doing. It's a little sassy.

Motherfucker, watch your mouth. Yeah. I mean, talk shit, get hit. Yeah. Message. Don't snitch. I get, I get where Alex's interpretation of it being like, Hey boy, watch your mouth. That kind of thing.

I don't like the way you said that. Uh, look, I know that boy has racial connotations that's not, that's not in, that's not in play. That's the wine talking again. It's not in play. I get where Alex takes some umbridge at that, but I also would understand how anybody who's in the intelligence community recognizes the stakes of the president running his mouth. Yeah. And he saw foreign powers accidentally, which Trump has done as he's done a couple of times.

Well, he didn't even fucking shake Merkel's hand like a pussy. So but he can do these things to insult foreign powers that are our allies that we have deep, deep blood filled alliances with and he can insult them and you should watch your mouth. You should be really careful what you say. You should use diplomacy. Now there's a reason we have a department that is entirely devoted to diplomacy. And there's a reason you fill that department with people who can be diplomats or diplomats instead.

What he did exon guy was put an exon mobile guy in there who actually has been quoted as saying he didn't want the job and his wife said, do it. You should do it. Yeah. And then they have not staffed that department. Nope. Definitely not with any career diplomats. Nope.

It's confused. Yeah. Angry. Frustrated. Press aren't involved. I know the head of the department is saying, hey, we might fucking bomb North Korea. Yeah. We're not having a good time of it.

No. Our foreign power, you know, like it's, it's strange to be so obsessed with domestic policy when we are bombing the shit out of Syria, killing more civilians than we've killed in so long. Repeatedly non, like it's not even defensible that there are military targets. And we've offended so many of our allies when we've fucking threatened so many countries at this point. This is why the wine is necessary.

This clip is Larry Klayman saying that everything in the world essentially is Obama's fault. Excellent. If you follow the evidence here, I'm certain that President Obama is sitting on top of this. He must have known. He's actually windsurfing on top of it right now. Again, he's talking about all of this information that Montgomery has that he hasn't looked at.

From before Obama was president. So again, he's sure that it's all Obama's fault, but he hasn't looked at any of it. So great. I'll take your word for it. Larry Klayman guy who is clearly incredible master of claymation, I'm sure he directed it. Sure. They always direct everything.

They're totally command and control. But I thought it was above Obama. He doesn't. Who do you think? Who gave the order originally above Obama Soros? It had to go to Obama ultimately. Okay. I mean, you can blame it on the minions, but the buck stops on his desk and I want to

make one other point out in other countries of the world, Israel, Brazil, other countries, they hold the top executive accountable. They do. As the president or the prime minister, we've never done that in a few hundred years. It's time. That's a super unfortunate. That's such a weird list of and it's a dumb example like Israel, apartheid country, Brazil recently had a coup, you know, other countries, the good ones, the ones where they hold their

leaders responsible. Benjamin Netanyahu has never been held responsible for any of the war crimes that he's committed. And the Brazilian president is literally not allowed to run for president. He is legally barred from running for the job. He currently holds that he obtained by purely illegal means. So he uses these two countries as an example to make a point about how Obama, who's no longer the president, needs to be held responsible for bullshit lies that he's peddling on Alex Jones's show.

Right. And then Alex is like, I totally agree. It's so stupid. It's so stupid. It's incredibly. It's insane. Like you could probably. It's the FBI buying software based on Al Jazeera's barcode.

Stupid. Yeah. It's right up there. It's. Oh, it's it's an Italian cuisine of stupid. That's the last clip that I have from Larry Klayman's interview. Okay. If you want to know more about him and you want him to speak his piece, check your local

library. Yeah. He probably has written books. I didn't look into that. But if you want to hear his entire argument laid out, I will link it on the website. He has an article that he wrote in Newsmax that just lays out his entire argument about Montgomery. It's all lies, but at least if you go there, it's basically all the stuff I cut out from

the episode. Right. Because it's just boring and a lot of it was covered by Mike Zulow. So like a lot of it is just repetitious. Here is a fun clip. Klayman doesn't say anything, but this is Alex Jones just trying to really desperately make you believe that the people he has on his show are real. Just to just not Sesame Street puppets.

The claimation. Okay. These guests, 99% of a hundred are accurate, none of us are perfect, but we try to tell the truth. We try to get it right. No, you don't. But sometimes, you know, the innocent or those that are questionable get harmed. We have to also admit we've been wrong.

That's what this is about, but our hearts are in the right place. They're trying to change the world. I hate you. Yeah. So I mean, like your guests are 99% accurate, fake pizza gate apology. I legitimately don't know how you would quantify what percent your guests are accurate, but I know that if there was a system, 99% is ambitious. There's no way even for a reputable news site, 99% seems ambitious, right?

I think the most respectable news sources that I trust have maybe 80. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say 75% is amazing to me. I'm saying that's why I said maybe, maybe, and that's hot. Yeah. Like I said, I told you on the last episode, I've been reading foreign policy and a lot of stuff.

Because you're a wonk. I'm a wonk. A lot of the stuff that I've been reading in the area, it seems incredibly credible. I've looked into things that are cited and absolutely it backs up. So like, but I still think that they get things wrong from time to time. Yeah. Of course. It's every citizen's responsibility to take in media and news and then evaluate it.

That's your responsibility. It's not the media's responsibility to write every time. When they're wrong, it is the responsibility to own up to it. Exactly. And to write a correction and to make sure that everybody knows that. Which places like the New York Times, Washington Post, these sorts of establishment institutions do on a regular basis. They do.

They perhaps don't do as loudly as maybe they should, but they do it. Yeah. For the most part. It's unfortunate because this weekend again, Alex Jones came out with his apology about PizzaGate. His bullshit apology. But he doesn't apologize for things that he says. Nope.

He never does. And this PizzaGate apology is not evidence that he does apologize for things. Nope. Cause even packaged within that apology is a defensive, yeah. And it's throwing other news organizations onto the bus. It's like, Hey, they said it. We're reporting on it. Right.

What do you want to do? We made a mistake, but our mistake was really trusting other people. It wasn't us doing, not doing our due diligence. Yeah. And if they had done any due diligence, they never would have reported any of that shit. Nope. Cause it's bullshit. And I, I'm not even a news outlet and I did my due diligence about PizzaGate.

You did it. Truly. This episode is not about. You did way more due diligence than a lot of media outlets. So we're about to wrap up this episode, but before we do, I have a couple more clips that are just kind of fun. This one. Oh God, I needed those.

This one. Jerome Corsi has been, he wasn't on the phone during the claim and interview. This goes back to the. He was again, just sitting in the corner, singing a Zippity-Doo-Dah, slightly racist Disney song. Right. So this one is, I don't know why that came to my head. It's a good song though.

If you take the racist part out of it, Zippity-Doo-Dah, Zippity-Dah. My, oh my, what a wonderful day. That's fun. Anyway, let's not unpack, let's, let's not unpack Tar Baby and Uncle Remus. But so Jerome Corsi was in the background essentially for the entire Mike Zulo interview. And then once Mike Zulo gets off the phone, Alex Jones has got to kiss, uh, Jerome Corsi's ass for a little while. So he says this clip, he says this clip and it's one way of looking at things.

And when after the clip, I'll explain the better way of looking at things. Okay. I mean, your articles are all so powerful and either from high level leaks or the White House, you're pointing out what needs to be looked at. Notice everything you write for us, everything else we write is picked up in the news. Everything you write, you get total blacklist, which shows you are really on target, my friends. I want to thank you. Cuck, cuck, cuck.

Well, his argument is. Listen, everything we write, everybody looks at everything you write, nobody looks at. Nailed it. That's how on target you are. Nailed it. Nobody wants to read your bullshit. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, that's like a, that's like a bullshit ad for him, right? Everything Paul Joseph Watson does, everyone loves that stuff, but stuff you do, everyone ignores. I mean, it must mean you're super on target. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're like a conspiracy theorist, conspiracy theorist. Or it might mean that you're widely discredited even in wonky conspiracy theory communities.

Even though you're full of bullshit. And when I say wonky, I don't mean wonky, like policy wonk. I mean, wonky, like not functioning. Like having a wonky leg. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I got you.

It's unfortunate that it's the same word I realized now. But like. Well, I mean, so far we've seen that Paul Ryan's wonkiness is wonky. It's absolutely him malfunctioning. It's perhaps broken. So we have one more clip left to play. And this is what I would like to call the parting shot. All right.

Generally, I like to try and come up with something that really sums up the feeling of things. Right. So I have not done that. So if you don't want to listen to two and a half hours of us talking, feel free to go to the last five minutes where you will have a good clip for before we get to this clip. Let's just give a slight insomation of everything we've covered. Yes.

Liars, frauds, idiots. Everybody involved with the Alex Jones show is all of those things. Yes. That's pretty much what we've covered. I think you did a good real brief summation. I'm going to try for a little bit more. Do you want more explanation? You gave the bones.

You gave the bones. I'm going to put a little meat on that. So the meat on that bones is that Joe Arpaio is a complete monster. He is guilty of racial profiling and so much worse. He is absolutely terrible. He was not being wiretapped by any information that is publicly available. Deserve the death penalty. He had a confidential informant named Dennis Montgomery, who is a proven liar, who has

a history of fraud, has a history of trying to set up people with fake documents and clearly is lying. His now lawyer, Larry Clayman, is a complete Islamophobic bigot. He has tried multiple times to have frivolous lawsuits against liberals. Hacked out of two courts forever. For life. For life. Was not allowed to be Cliven Bundy's lawyer, which is crazy.

And so these are the characters that we're dealing with. Alex Jones takes this third hand information about an alleged wiretapping project dragnet that's been going on that allegedly has his phone numbers, which again, as I said spelled out earlier, Montgomery could easily get that information from very mild hacking, which he has shown through his typewriter skills. People talking about him and his history has shown that he is capable of those things. At the very least can write basic software in 2002. Yes.

So what we have here is Alex Jones either willingly or unwillingly being tricked by and also Mike Zulo is an accomplice to Joe Arpaio's crimes against humanity. Yeah. At very least and probably deserves life in prison, but probably could get you a good deal on a Hyundai and amazing deal on probably. So Alex Jones, a handshake deal, Alex Jones in cash, wouldn't even need to write it down. Alex Jones has done no research into any of these things. Or if he has, he is truly 100% trying to lie in a way that we have only two possibilities

in the way that we have always had that kind of spectrum going back and forth. If Alex Jones has done any research into these people, then he is aware 100% that he is lying and peddling a false narrative. Yes. If he has not, which to me seems the more likely situation, because again, all of the work you've done, all of the research you've done seems like something so far beyond anything Alex Jones is capable of. It hasn't taken me that long though, exactly to be honest, and that's the even more pathetic

part of it. To be honest, we're not getting paid for this show, and I have a nine to five job that actually is generally an eight to six job, so I'm at work a lot of my life and I can't be spending time researching. I have not been tearing my hair out researching this. It's been pretty easy to find most of this information. And that's kind of more, again, it fits within Alex Jones and what we know of him that he would not have done even the most cursory of research.

If someone comes to Jerome Corsi and says, I have evidence that Trump is being spied on, Jerome Corsi is going to write up an article and Alex Jones is going to just implicitly believe it no matter what. Yes. He's not going to do any research into figuring out, is this worth me posting on my site? Not once. He's not going to do any of that work. And because he doesn't, and because Jerome Corsi is so, so uncredited, so unethical,

he just brings this bullshit into the house. Right. So, to me... And Alex Jones is happy to purvey it. To me, I fall on the side of Alex Jones is the village idiot, not the mafia don in this particular circumstance. That's interesting. I don't think he's willfully misleading people in the way that he would be if he had done

any research into any of these people. Now see, here's where I disagree with you just on a slight technicality. Yes. I think he willfully doesn't do the research because a part of him knows that if he did, he would invalidate his own beliefs. Your objection is sustained. Thank you. Thank you, counselor.

Yeah. Permission to approach the bench. Never. In fact, you're kicked out of my courtroom for life. So, realistically, what we end this with is Trump was not being spied on in the way... That's it. That's where we end the... Like if we just said that, it ended the podcast right there.

Because that's the narrative that Alex was pitching the entire week. The idea that his phone number and Trump's phone number and all that was part of this database is absolute lies, which we've, I think, firmly established. And it took, like, there's a web of things that's built upon it. He spent a week on this. He had multiple interviews with people propping up this lie. It's complete bullshit. And Nunes himself has confirmed there is no evidence that Trump was a wiretap.

But in the meantime, Nunes is at least incredulous of this evidence. Yep. He's at least been tricked in some way. His behavior was altered by some of this information. Nunes, I would actually argue, is on the evil side, is on the evil spectrum of willfully lying. I agree. Especially based...

In order to protect Trump, but in the same way, he's hitching his wagon to what he thinks won't get torn down. Boy, it looked pretty good a couple months ago. Yeah, exactly, right? If you were going to, like, just 50-50 horse race here. What's blue sky this thing? Who do you think you would rather hitch your horse to right now, Paul Ryan or Donald Trump? That's a Sophie's choice.

It really is. No, it's the reverse of one. Both of my children. I hate my children! No, that's a no-win situation. I don't want to hitch my horse to either of them, but if I had to choose, I'd probably go Trump. But if you had to choose, you'd probably go Trump?

Yeah. Oh, man, I'm still going to go with Ryan here. I would go Trump, but real casually. Just because I don't want anything to do with Paul Ryan. I would fuck Trump once every couple of weeks. Real cash stuff. It's like a hookup. I think Trump is a traitor.

Yep. I think Paul Ryan is worse. Paul Ryan is absolutely worse. So I would go with Trump, but I wouldn't stick my neck out for either of them. Pure survival. I'm not talking about who's the more monstrous, because I hope both of them get hit by a truck. Then you go Ryan. Right.

Exactly. I think Ryan is going to, I mean, we'll see, and then we go back to the healthcare bill. I would have, before the whole healthcare bill, I would have said that Ryan was capable of outmaneuvering Trump. Because the healthcare bill was maybe the most unpopular thing ever introduced into Congress, and he still put all of his energy into it, maybe. Just maybe. Paul Ryan is an idiot.

He's not a wonk. He is definitely not. His reputation as being a guy who is smart is gone. It's also interesting though, because I don't know really, I have not done deep research into it, but I did read an article about how Trump making a hard sell on the healthcare bill ended up losing them 10 votes. Yeah, I would believe that. He went in and tried to negotiate with folks.

Like a used car salesman. And it worked negatively. So it's possible that Paul Ryan maybe could have pulled it off without Trump's blustery tactics. Look, we can't do that one. It's impossible. No, that one's not that. Either way, we have one more clip, and this is Alex Jones talking about, I mean, this

is just great. Okay. All right, let's get to it. I'll just, I'll just let it play. Let's get some dessert on this shit. This is absolutely dessert. Okay. This world being so unstable, if they bring down Trump, which they're trying to do, they're

just trying to demonize him before they kill him. You need high quality, storeable foods. I know I've increased the amounts I've got. People keep thinking, oh, go back to sleep. Trump's in. Oh yeah, get ready. We'll use you this once a year. I'm doing it every few months now.

It's 30 to 40% off all the high quality, storeable foods that are fresh. I just heard America about my patron supply. Alex Jones showing his true colors. Oh my God, that felt so good. They're going to kill. That was the catharsis I have wanted for months now. They're going to kill Trump. Hey, you need food.

You need food? Yeah. You're going to need it. Anyway, what a bunch of assholes. Oh God. Anyway, Dan, let me ask you a question. Let me answer a question for you. Where would you find us if you were looking for us?

Well, I would say that the primary place you can find us is knowledgefight.com, our website. Oh, we have a website. We do. And there's a link up there. If you'd like to support the show, we do take donations through Patreon. There's a link on knowledgefight.com. We're welcome to do that.

You don't have to. I don't give a shit. I'd like it. Again, you're very defensive for no reason. You can also subscribe to us on iTunes. I just feel weird. If you leave a review, do you know that that pushes our rankings up or something? Yeah.

I don't know how iTunes works. And thank you to, listen, I'm going to give a thank you to a friend of mine. Thank you, Brian Burger. What's up, baby? He left us a nice review on iTunes recently. Oh, good. And thank you. Everybody, if you want to.

We genuinely, like it really, it really does make me feel like I'm part of something whenever people review this. And like, you know, like there are plenty of podcasts. Also, by the way, remember when I was complaining about someone leaving a four-star review? Yeah. I went back and checked. I think they changed it to a five. Oh, no, Dan, Dan, you're a bully.

I'm sorry. You're the Alex Jones of Knowledge Fight. I'm so sorry. No, here's, here's the weird thing. You get overly defensive. I get way overly sincere. Like, oh, touch me. It is very nice though.

It is. It is truly. I mean, whatever those sincere feelings that you're expressing, I definitely feel too, but I have a stony visage. Yeah. It's, it's hard, it's hard because feeling like part of the resistance or whatever it is seems very futile at times. We're resistance to something.

We're trying. Yeah. You know, it's hard, it's hard to try. It really is. Like looking at the protests in Russia just this day, Jesus, you see those people who are far, that's real braver, far, far more brave than anything I can imagine. Because ever just going there, it has a very real possibility of killing you. Yeah.

It truly does. And so you just see massive swarms of riot police making lines in order to shuttle all the protesters into a building and they are, they are, any of those people could look like fucking Robo cop. Like it's ridiculous. So, so just to feel like I am at the very least putting the smallest amount of what I can into it because I'm so confused about how to actually join that. All we do is, is, you know, all we can do is again encourage people to, you know, call

your representatives. Do everything you can. That's a, that's a small thing. It's very easy to do and you should donate money to the ACLU or any other cause that you support 100%. Do whatever it is you can. That's what we want to encourage people to do. That's what we do.

And then beyond that also, and I'm guilty of not doing this all the time cause I'm kind of a crank, but like it does go a long way just to be nice to people. That is a really important thing. As our country descends further into really scary, as we descend into really scary territory, it is important that you be nice to people. So try, try, try to see the humanity in your fellow. And the only way to be nice to people, Dan, I will tell you this right now is to leave a great review of knowledge.

I'm glad you got there because that was, that was my point. Anyways, we can even follow us at Twitter, knowledge underscore fight. You can email us at knowledge fight at gmail.com. Also I don't think we mentioned this in the last episode, but thank you to the AV club giving us a nice shout out. Oh yeah. At future schlock. Yeah.

Super awesome. Thank you very much. Anybody else who wants to write anything about us, please do. We need help. And if you do want to write anything about us, you should definitely mention at the end of the article that we are a couple of just, you know, I don't know, policy wonks. Is that right? Yeah.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.