Knowledge Fight - #256: January 17-23, 2019

Episode Date: January 25, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan take a little glimpse at what Alex Jones is up to in the present day. The gents discuss the predictability of his modern narratives, the absurdity of his stories about his own life, and how a new revelation could change everything about how he should be covered in the present.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

Hi. Dan? Yep. Did you come prepared with a question this time? I was actually wondering where we are at on Hot Sauce Watch. Hot Sauce Watch? What do you mean by that? I mean, we occasionally check in with how you feel about hot sauces. Nothing? You're still on the ghost pepper? No, I bought this Carolina Reaper puree.

Right. We talked about that. We've been dabbling in that a little bit. My parents, in a little Christmas package, they sent over these yellow bird sauces from Austin. I think it's an Austin company, and I think most of them are trash. They taste pretty bad. It's not that they're too hot, but they taste pretty bad. No offense, yellow bird. Well, we lost a sponsor.

I think that one actually we could have gotten if we'd really shot the mood on that one. Well, I don't know how to answer that, and honestly, I think a little bit of my heat adventures and stuff like that is on a little bit of a hold, because to let the listener know, I'm planning on moving in the beginning of April and getting a new apartment. And one of the things I'm going to focus on there is building a little garden inside my apartment and trying to grow some peppers and two things, make my own kind of hot sauce. Let's see if I can figure that out. Okay.

That's an adventure I'd like to go on. That sounds fun. Yeah, just for shits and giggles. Just see if you can make your own hot sauce, that's great. Like grow from seeds. So I want to explore that. That's awesome. And then also make my own Giardinera.

I don't know what that is. Yeah, you do. You live in Chicago. I know, I'm just kidding. People outside of Chicago may not. It's sort of, how do you describe it, sort of a relishy kind of thing. Yeah, I would say, yeah. It's a condiment.

It's thick. It's a condiment. Like it's oil. Like it's spicy. Yeah. There's like peppers, cucumber, not cucumbers, like celery, carrots, cauliflower. I think the most Giardinera sucks. It's too busy.

It's very busy and thick. You could narrow it down to like two or three ingredients and make like a really good condiment. So I'm going to explore this. I think you're just described a relish though. Maybe. I'm going to explore those things once I get into a new apartment. I'm very excited about that. That sounds great.

Yeah, that's on the horizon. All right. I'm looking forward to seeing what your homemade hot sauce watch is. You won't try them. They'll be too hot for you. Of course they will, but I want to, I want to experience it vicariously through your taste buds. Sure.

That'll be fun. All right. So also before we get into any business today, first of all, this is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones. And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. I got a little blowback about my car wash story that I told on our Monday episode, I believe. Some people, someone in the group, in our Facebook group, go home and tell your mother

you're brilliant. Point it out that there's a Mr. Show sketch about car wash. Oh my God. Did you do? Nope. Did you live a Mr. Show sketch? I did. Or did you see it?

I did. Did you lift a Mr. Show sketch? I did not. And I want to be very clear about this because I constantly question myself about like, am I remembering that sketch? Right. Right. Because you're aware of the sketch.

Yeah. Absolutely. I have to second guess my memories and I can say with categorical certainty that that story that I told absolutely happened to me and was not just a misremembering of that Mr. Show sketch. All right. It really, really terrifies me though that people will think I just ripped off Mr. Show. What?

Were any of the people's faces? I remember the feeling of being in that car wash and being like, you are adults. Were any of the writers from Missouri? No, I don't like. Like Hossain wasn't from Missouri, Paul if Tompkins, he wasn't pretty sure that sketch. I think that they'd done that before I worked at that car wash. Oh, shit. I'm pretty sure that was in the 90s and maybe that's where your boss got the idea to do

the sting. I don't know if he was that hip. Anyway, fair enough. My point is I just want to make sure that people understand that I that really happened. Anyway, I don't care. It'd be more fun if you missed out on a secret friendship with your boss who turned out to love Mr. Show. Yeah, it's possible.

Yeah. Anyway, guys, today we're going to be doing something really interesting. It's going to be a slightly different present day episode that we're going to bring to you covering the span of January 17th to 23rd. Whoa. Not, not fully though. Right. Right.

No, I got that. This isn't going to be a 12 hour long episode. No, certainly not. And we'll get to exactly what the shape of that is going to take here in a second. But first got to say thank you to some people who signed up and are supporting the show. So first of all, I'd like to say thank you to Chad plays games. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

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Oh boy. So Jordan, today, present day, I don't want to, I don't, I don't care about the present day much ever since Alex has shown his cards about, you know, being really into the idea of Trump taking over a fascist regime. Yeah. Getting his emergency powers in effect so you can just act like a dictator. I don't really care much. I don't like, it doesn't charm me.

And at the same time, whenever I listen to the show, it's like, what, what do you think he's saying? Like, choose anything that's happened. What do you think his angle on it is? We already know. Right. He's so fucking predictable in the present day that I could do this show without listening to his show.

Imagine a radio host from Spain supporting Charles DeGaulle. Sure. Yeah. But yeah, in the 40s, of course, what I'm more complaining about though is like, we'll talk about it a little bit as it comes up on this episode. Like you had that kid from Covington School at the at the rally you got in the face of the Native American. Yeah.

You have that situation. What do you think Alex says? You already know. Oh, he said that that was a perfect encapsulation of the colonialist attitude that we've had towards Native Americans for some, for our entire existence. You're being glib. He was. You're being glib.

You know exactly what he said about it. I know exactly what he said about it. And our audience knows exactly what he said about it. When we go back to like 2009, we're seeing him sports Molly Pirates. That's true. We're seeing him yell at Mark Marin about how he wants to sodomize him. That's true. That's crazy.

That's unpredictable. We go back expecting to find X and we find Y. When you look in the present day, all you find is exactly what you expect to find. It's kind of a bummer. There's no novelty to it. I'm not saying that we should recuse ourselves from, you know, paying attention to it, but it just is awful. Like it's an awful, boring, formulaic, neo-fascist show.

That's all it is. And it sucks. It seems like we should, instead of doing full episodes about the present day, we should have like a check-in on each episode, you know, like, here's what Alex said for this stuff. Hey, do you want to have a production meeting on air while everybody's listening? Well, see, the problem with that is then I still have to listen to all of it in order to get those mini glimpses, which is incredibly unsatisfying for me, because now there's

less of our show and more of it. There's even less incentive for you to do it. The ratio ends up becoming more work for me for less of this. And already my ratio is terrible, so I don't want to get into that. That's fair. So today, what we're going to do is we're going to mostly go over the 23rd. That's Wednesday, January 23rd, 2019. But there's a couple of things that happened along the way over the course of this week

on the 17th and on the 19th that I think are very important. And one of them, one of the things that we're going to talk about is going to open up a conversation about whether or not it's even appropriate for us to cover Alex in the present anymore. That's an interesting conversation. And we will see what that conversation looks like when we get to it. But first, here's an out of context drop from Alex Jones. I'm not Cobra Commander or Destro, folks.

I'm Captain America. Okay. I don't think that Captain America fought those guys. Cobra Commander. It goes G.I. Joe. Anyway, we start on the 17th and these are going to be some trite things. We're not going to cover much content from the 17th and 19th. They're mostly going to be Alex sort of descending into personal moments.

Yeah. Here is one. I was kind of hoping he would tell us how he feels about the Avengers, you know, the whole thing. Not Destro. Did he think Age of Ultron was really a kind of a bad film? And how does he feel about it? Does it relate to Ozzy Mandamus?

Exactly. Sure. These are important questions. Nope. Instead, he introduces New Slang. Bull Corning Hot Dog. I'm introducing that into the modern vernacular. My dead friend, Doughty33, went into the doctor, got an infection, died, Ryan Baxter.

He wouldn't cuss when he was a little kid. I never heard anybody else say Bull Corning Hot Dog, but if something was like, you know, really bad or whatever, he wanted to act like he was cussing, he'd say Bull Corning Hot Dog. So I just introduced that here. I think he probably invented that. So there it is. Bull Corning Hot Dog.

That is clunky. Alex is stealing from a dead friend. Yeah. This is never going to work. Bull Corning Hot Dog. Name your three rappers that would be able to work in Bull Corning Hot Dog. Wiz Khalifa. No.

Fat Man Scoop. Fat Man Scoop. Yeah. He's a shout out guy. He's a hype man. If anybody can make that work, it's a, it's a. Hey, hey, Bull Corning Hot Dog up in here. You see Bone, you see Bone Crusher out there like talking about how he's never scared.

That song's like a decade old and you got Fat Man Scoop screaming in the background. Can't remember who else Fat Man Scoop worked with. I forgot that you're, you're not up on a current hip hop vernacular either. That's fair. Master P. Master P? He has tried worse. He has tried worse.

That dozer thing didn't work out, but he was ambitious for trying. This is Alex Jones's dozer. Just cause it rhymed with soldier. Way to go. Anyway, this is, this is trash, man. This is, this is a, it's sort of indicative of like, you know, all right. Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about how he can't make a deal with the devil. You can't do it.

He's just in Cape Town. That would be Bull Corning Hot Dog. It would. Absolutely. He gave up a long time ago trying to threaten me because I just can't make a deal with the devil and I don't think Matt Drudge has done that either. I'm just telling you right now, ladies and gentlemen that this country is in a civil war with a bunch of anti-American globalists running around bullying and threatening everyone

they can. So I only put this in because he like always talks about the globalists threatening him. Yeah. So the idea that he's like, I can't make a deal with the devil. So the globalists have stopped threatening me. It's really a counter to pretty much everything he complains about and screams about all the time. And the idea that he can't make a deal with the devil will be important later.

So that is a little bit of a setup for a punchline coming later. On air, he becomes a blues musician and as everybody knows, you have to make a deal with the devil in order to, to do well. Exactly. No, it's, it's something else entirely. But that, that was in his sort of breakdown of that story that came out about Cohen giving payments to people to cheat online polls in the lead up to the 2016 election that made it reflect or appear that more people believed that Trump won the debates than they did.

And one of the polls that is in question that may have been rigged by this outfit is the Drudge poll of Trump's performance in the debates. And so Alex is trying to be defensive about his hero, Matt Drudge, and deflect this story like, ah, why did you believe Cohen like, eh, all right, whatever, we'll see how this shakes out. How about that? That whole thing about the polls, uh, that was a big no for me. Every time I saw that one, like shocking report Cohen influenced polls, I was like, eh, you

know who else can influence polls? A bunch of dudes just clicking a bunch of times. It's fine. Bots. Yeah, sure. It's fine. I think it's like, well, let's see, let's see what more there is here at this point. I don't really know if we, I don't think if you, I don't think you and I have enough

to go on to have a real firm stance on this, but Alex does. It's nothing because he's predictable and defensive. Right. I think my biggest problem with it is I want my villains to be super. I don't want them to be pathetic losers. Do you know what I mean? I do know what you mean. You're not going to get what you want.

I know. Which is the problem. You can't get what you need by the who that was a masterpiece song. Wasn't it? Oh, no. Okay. Nevermind. The who who are great big fans of Alex Jones.

Um, so in this next clip, wait, wait, wait, wait, did you say that that was rolling stones? I know I was making a reference to our last episode where Alex talked about the who. Okay. I got you. Yeah. And that wasn't even the rolling stones or the who. He was stolen. Well, but the Rolling Stones version was the popular one.

Yeah. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex, I think what he's doing is he's doing an imagined dialogue between Trump and a chicken neck politician. And one of the reasons I think the biggest reason I'm including this clip in our, in our little brief glimpse of January 17th is I think it demonstrates some mental problems on Alex's part. And they're not uncommon or unfamiliar to us, but I think that they're more important

today than they have been in the past. Trump got it in and he said, we don't ship drugs in and we don't launder them anymore. Well, third, I'm a 13 and the Mexican mafia will kill us if we don't. That's a good kill them. This is not our business is having junkies and human feces everywhere and high school kids on heroin. It stops. And by the way, we're not going to just feed troops into places so companies make money.

He goes, you can all have super high tech space weapons and tanks and missiles and ships. You can all make your money, but it'll be where we're dominant. We don't just kill all our troops. Right. They go, no, we don't want a bigger defense budget, but peace. We don't want peace through strength and it's space force. We want to continue to torture people and fund radical Islamic groups and overthrow allies and put bad radical Muslims in Trump.

Nice catch. There it is. You don't see the larger strategic plan of keeping the middle of the chess board destabilized. You don't understand that grand strategy. Yeah. You understand your grand strategy. Run in the damn world on the ground, you sack of crap. You ever heard of straight shooting, you dumb piece of craps with built this country, you

know, chicken crap, no, lying, built this country, a bunch of filth. Somebody's got to call these people's bluff. That means I get smashed, flattered in a pancake. Good. At least somebody'll give you an example. I act like a damn man around here to the bunch of knuckle dragon cowards. Everybody just shoot your mouth off about Trump all day. He's got a lot more courage than most of you can buy.

It's just, I mean, he is expressing such projection, such confusion, like this nonsensical, two-sided the Socratic debate that's going on inside his head, none of it's based in reality. Neither side of the debate is based in reality. And all it does is lead him to his weird, I'm the only person who's a real man anymore. Yeah. Which is, I don't, I don't, I don't know. It's just, it's a, there's something going on in his brain. What's, what's fascinating to me is that he is both condemning parts of Trump's foreign

policy. Yeah. And blaming it on them. Mm-hmm. And at the same time, supporting parts of other people's foreign policy and also blaming it on them. See, now this is what happens when you don't know anything. Yeah.

I was going to say, what are you fucking talking about? And this is what happens when you have a super predictable editorial position like Alex does. Like he doesn't have any nuance. He doesn't, he has no, as George Soros might put it, reflexivity. Right. He has no ability to adapt anymore to anything. It's just respond defensively and attack whoever is not on board with Trump. Yeah.

And it's pathetic and boring. But I also, I also think that there's more going on here. Yeah. Because if he's specifically talking about not supporting our allies, then Trump's unilaterally and also reverse decision to pull troops out of Syria would be absolutely abandoning our allies. Mm-hmm. So he's against that.

Right. You'd think. But that, but that wasn't the foreign policy of the people that he's supposedly, who are supposedly puppet mastering his foreign policy by all accounts. Everybody just heard him go, we're done. And said, oh, okay, I guess. And then six months later, or like what, two months later, very quietly was like, yeah, we're not going to do that.

Yeah. You're a fucking idiot. Yeah. But Alex's, Alex's version on that is like Trump put his foot down and then the meddling globalists just didn't listen to those fucking meddling globalists. You can write a narrative about any set of facts you want and that's kind of what's going on. That's ridiculous.

And then from listening to as much Alex Jones as I have and telling you about it, that Alex's childhood was fraught with nonsense. It was fucked up or fictitious. Right. There's some elements that are clearly fictitious and we're about to hear one, but the things that we know that seem to be very consistent are that he, you know, had some feelings of alienation and at the same time discovered none dare call it conspiracy, the book by Gary Allen when he was 12 and it set the course of his life.

He saw through the, uh, what would you call it, uh, the conservative or not conservative, the communist menace, uh, among us, the conspiracy of the elites, which is most likely the reason he even had none dare call it conspiracy on the shelves is because his parents were most likely hosting John Burt society meetings. Right. And that's the story that he's told of his childhood very consistently. He discovered that book at either 10 or 12, depending on the times that he's told the story, very consistent, depending how smart he wants to seem or any given story.

I have heard, uh, other accounts say that he found it in high school, but from the times that I've listened to him, he says 10 or 12 on a very regular basis, which makes this next clip incredibly impossible for me to believe. I can't sign on to people that are intimately obsessed with abusing children and killing them. They're a vampiric cult. Fair. I agree.

Of these people, I am not in their system and, you know, their system almost seduced me. I mean, I think when I was about 15, for all intents and purposes, I was a berserking Satanist. Okay. Okay. And I mean, I wasn't killing people or dogs or anything. That kind of sounds like.

Sex with the devil, worse per woman. Let's just say I've seen a few things. Okay. In the one of the richest areas of the country where I grew up, I've seen the dark side of the moon and by the who I pulled out of being seduced by the devil by the time I was about 16, about 12 to 15, I was, I was definitely there. And boy, it's a hell of a drug. I know how the Satanists are into what they're into until you pulled away from it and get

contact with God. Cause I was with God when I was little. I got partially seduced, but never gave over all the way and wouldn't do bad stuff. And then now I pulled away so far from the Satanism and so far away from these people, but that's why they can't stand me because they know I've been, been super far in the spiritual level, not all the crap and the rituals that they try to do to get where I got. What's not a good place.

I got to it. It's not like I got some diploma. I got to it too. Let me just say, I've seen a couple of things and that's why they fear me because I've already been down the rabbit hole where Alistair Crowley went when I was 13, Jack Parsons wife. I think, I think this is first of all bullshit, but then second, I think what he's doing is just trying to give him himself another piece of the like hero's journey in terms of his backstory.

Right. The sort of moment of doubt and seduction by the dark side and stuff like that. It's all nonsense. It's all in there. Yeah. So Alex has absolutely no right to compare his 12 year old self with Alistair Crowley. So what is he even fucking talking about? Here's my feeling on it.

Crowley was a fucked up dude. I'm sure Alex also was at 12, but Crowley traveled the world from like the late 1800s, early 1900s, when many people would have been too scared to venture far from the Western shores. He attempted to climb K2, which had never been scaled at that point. He took his spiritual quest to the logical extremes, traveling to Japan, Sri Lanka, India and Egypt to seek out instruction and knowledge. You can say that Crowley was a bad dude, and I'm not going to argue with that point pretty

much at all or much, but you can't say that he didn't live a life of curiosity and exploration, something that Alex is diametrically opposed to. Alex read an Undercolored conspiracy when he was 12 and it blew his mind. And ever since, whenever he's gone to visit another country, it's only been to verify the pre-existing beliefs he brought with him. He's a pathetic example of a mind made up in childhood, which Crowley was the opposite of. I don't believe Alex's story about being a Satanist from the ages of 12 to 15.

I think that's just him expressing his deep guilt about forcing women to get abortions. But assuming he's not lying, and he's seen what Crowley's seen, let's guess what Alex was up to back when he was 12. Sex magic? You would almost certainly have been into Sadomasochism, as that was pretty prevalent in Crowley's sex life. It's kind of a big deal for him. Alex almost definitely would have been on the receiving end of sex with men, since same-sex

intercourse was a large part of the higher levels of Crowley's sex magic teachings, and he was famously bisexual and was noted as the passive partner in those encounters. He may or may not have been eating cakes of light, which were the biscuits Crowley would make that contained menstrual blood or semen. I don't think Alex has any idea who Alistair Crowley was or what he stood for. He just knows that he's a good occult name to drop. Yeah, I was going to say. It's such bullshit.

I would say that most people don't know. Like Alistair Crowley is just your touch point of just like- He was a goddamn double agent. Yeah. He was an incredibly fucked up dude who did some really, really fucked up stuff. But also, his life is the stuff of fantasy novels. When he hung out with L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons and the whole fucking gang, there was a- they called an elemental and shit like that.

Yep. Like the red lady. Yeah, fucking sure. The lame-a. You got to give it up to him like with Kinsey and those guys, like Kinsey is somehow to me almost diametrically opposed to Crowley and that he was just like, sex is crazy, let's do all of it. And you know, like Alistair Crowley never got into sounding, Dan, Kinsey got into sounding.

That's true. I don't know that. I don't know that. There was a lot going on at that abbey. That's true. Nothing is more sex magic than shoving something down your pee hole. I'll let you have that. I'm not going to push back.

But I just- It's like Harry Potter's want. What I hear here is Alex desperately trying to give himself some sort of like appeal to expertise and knowledge about these subjects and it's what all these assholes do. It's what they all do. Everybody who has the stolen valor or stolen accomplishment, people on Project Camelot pretending they were CIA agents and shit like that. Captain.

Mark Richards. You betcha. Yeah. All of these people, they have this fake piece of their past that they employ in order to give themselves ownership of and like there's knowledge that they have that you can't possibly have. Of course not. You should just listen to them and it's a manipulative trick that people use.

Furthermore, here's a question for his- so if he's in those ritual- he's not doing the ritual shit. I don't even know what that means. I don't know. He's just doing the Satanist shit. Yeah. On a spiritual level, he got a diploma. Right.

From 12 to 15. Yeah. Wouldn't that suggest then that he was totally fucking adults? Yeah, that's number one. Yeah. And number two, I think if you're doing it for three years, you're in. I don't know. I think probably.

Once you're in your head, I think he's still in to be honest. I think if you're doing Satanist shit for three years in your formative years, that can't not leave some sort of a mark. But again, I don't believe it. No, absolutely not. Because what kind of Satanist shit could he even- he doesn't even know about Satanist shit. He probably drew a pentagram when he was 12 and then his parents got really mad at him

or something like that and he's just reacting to that emotionally. That was a three year long pentagram though. That's true. Yeah. He's not good. He's not good at art. He took a while. Yeah.

So that's a lot of shit. So other than this, on the 17th, there's not much else I want to talk about except for this next clip where Alex gets transphobic as hell. And I think it's only important because we just had the news come out about the Supreme Court backing the ban of trans people in the military. And I think that we're entering a dangerous time. What was the voting on that? Who knows?

Oh, I'm going to go with five to four. We're entering a dangerous period of the exclusion and the erasure of trans people from public visibility and knowledge. That's their goal. Knowledge isn't the right word. But you know what I mean. Awareness, having a place in society. And so I think it's important to see the kind of rhetoric that Alex is putting out into

the world about these sorts of issues on January 17th, 2019. I'm going to have my wife put a little chain around my neck and I'm going to wear some socks on my ears. I'm going to say I'm a bassin hound and I'm going to have her lead me into PetSmart. And we need him to get a full shampoo, nail trim, and we need his anal gland milk. And I will just, I'll come in like a dog on all fours and then I'll, and if they don't, I'm sorry, this is, this is really happening. If they don't take me in the back and shampoo me and have the lady come over and, you know,

milk the anal gland. That's what they do for dogs. Then they're, they're, they're bad because in England, I'm not joking. You get arrested or you get fired if a man comes in with a beard and a huge, you know what, and says, you are going to my cervix in a pap smear for cancer. And the nurse had to go on the middle of said, okay, but when she, but when she actually got his pants off, she said, sir, I can't do it. You don't have a cervix.

That hospital was your ass is fired. Well, you know what? That's it. I'm going to PetSmart PetCo and I'm going to come in there as a dog and it's not sexual assault to tell a woman to milk my, you know what, bland. I'm just going to go in there and say, do it. Maybe he wasn't to sex magic. Maybe I was wrong.

That's entirely possible. That sounds like something that he, he's aware of dog play. That's for sure. Yeah. I mean, this is a pet play. I apologize. I'm never going to do this, but it is his way of trying to, to, to, he thinks what he's doing is taking like trans identities and doing a reducto at absurdium argument where

you take the same logic and to go to a absurd extreme. And it's nonsense. And then further, that story that he's telling about this nurse who got fired from this UK hospital. I assume he gave us all the information and we don't need to investigate. I'm pretty sure he's just making that up. Like he's probably referencing a Breitbart story from 2017 about how a woman went into a clinic in the UK and requested a female nurse and was upset that a trans woman nurse showed

up in the exam room. No one was fired over it. And the NHS did apologize to the patient afterwards, which I don't know if that's even the appropriate thing to do, but whatever, in terms of Alex being outraged about it, that should be where the story stops. It's also possible that he's referencing a sensationalized story out of the sun, which is a tabloid about how public health guidelines were reflecting the people who legally changed their gender would be invited to have health screenings that were appropriate for their

gender. Yeah. So if the story was about anything real, it was about the bureaucracy of the health administration, not othering trans people. It wasn't about trans women demanding pap smears as a threat. It was about routine reminders that are sent out to everyone to invite them to take care of their health care. There's nothing malicious or weird in that story at all.

Though I can find no evidence that this is a real story, I can find other stories that Alex doesn't want to talk about. There was a case in 2015 where a trans man who wished to use a pseudonym went to an ER where the staff debated his gender in front of him because the license that he was carrying wasn't up to date. Quote, they came up and she's like, that's a girl pointing at me saying, no, that's really a girl. It wasn't business like at all.

I was a spectacle. I was a freak show at the circus. It was definitely to draw attention to the fact that my outward appearance didn't match my identification. Ethan Cicero, who authored a study on trans experience at hospitals, expressed that this experience is all too common and in fact is a threat to people's safety. Saying quote, from a safety standpoint, I don't know many people who would want to be in that position and stay in that environment.

So often transgender people may leave without receiving the needed care. A 2012 study by the National Center for Gender Equality found that 19% of those surveyed had been denied medical care because they were trans or gender nonconforming and that 28% had reported postponing care when sick or injured due to discrimination. The story that Alex is telling is not true, but what that story reinforces is a status quo that is killing people and I mean that literally. In May 2015, 14 year old Kyler Prescott committed suicide after hospital employees and staff would not stop calling him a girl.

Tyler was a trans boy and was admitted to Rady's Children's Hospital in San Diego for depression and anxiety and was on a suicide watch to begin with. But according to his mother, the staff refusing to stop misgendering him caused a downward spiral. Quote, they were making him worse. They were completely traumatizing him. The staff knew the situation and one employee even said, quote, honey, I would call you he, but you're such a pretty girl.

That's kind of why I don't care about stories like the one there's one from July 2018 about a doctor named David Macaret who had his contract terminated at a UK hospital because he staunchly refused to accept the hospital's policy of referring to people by their preferred pronoun. He can claim all he wants that it's irrelevant to his ability to treat a patient, but tons of anecdotal stories and actual studies have been done that clearly show that this is not the case and that he's wrong. Although that story about David Macaret cannot possibly be what Alex is referencing.

All the details are completely different. So that doesn't even track with his almost certainly made up story. So I just my point here is that what Alex is doing is bad. That's how they, but that's how they angle every trans issue. Every trans issue is always the reverse of the reality. Oh, do you want some man going into the women's bathroom where your child, your little girl might be? Well, a trans man is infinitely more likely to be abused when going into the men's bathroom

than going into the correct genders bathroom. It's always the opposite. It is always the, the reason for this protection is sexual abuse towards trans people. The reason for these protections are always because so much abuse abuse is levied towards trans people and they try and turn it into somehow they're, oh, they're, they're firing people for not wanting to continue to abuse people. Like what the fuck are you talking about? When in reality, the only story that I can find that even comes close to tracing to or

tracking with what Alex is talking about is the instant is an instance of a trans woman nurse who was made to feel bad about the interaction because the woman was uncomfortable with her performing her pap smear. Right. I don't know. Which is just classic victim blaming behavior. And that's, that's what you, that's what you expect out of Alex. And you know, this isn't anything new.

It's not like, Hey, look at Alex taking a weird turn. It's right par on course, but it just, it needs to be pointed out as, you know, as you see it, that what Alex is doing is reinforcing a worldview that is one of it's very dangerous right now. And you can't, he does not get a pass for that. Now the, we're going to jump to the 19th now and we have one clip from the 19th and I think this will, it doesn't let Alex off the hook for anything, but I legitimately think that this clip might serve as an indication that we can't talk about Alex in the same

way in the present day anymore. I think he says something that reveals, um, that he isn't I'm having a stroke on air right now. It's close to that. Oh boy. I think that we, we see clear evidence of like real substantial, uh, mental impairment. I've never taken because I don't need to take it. I'm not going to get into my own private issues, but I go to 62% oxygen.

I always have my head next, basically the former after major surgery and almost die every night. Most people die at 62% oxygen. I have near death experiences every night and that's why I have DMT every damn night folks. I don't need to take DMT with Joe Rogin. I just told him my private issues. I've been to two different sleep studies.

I'm going to do major surgery on me. I got a 20 inch neck. I got problems. I got to sleep basically sitting up with a mouth guard in my face that CPAP machines don't work. So that's extreme. Wow. So he's got some serious apnea.

This is a big deal. Uh, what Alex is talking about here on the show is, is incredibly serious. He's trying to be defensive about how he doesn't want to do DMT with Joe Rogin, but in the process he reveals that he has severe sleep apnea that apparently is beyond what's treatable with normal procedures and he has to sleep sitting up. All that is really sad to hear since as somebody who suffered with sleep disorders earlier in my life, I would never wish that kind of thing on anyone, even Alex. At the same time, it really starts to clear up some questions about why Alex is the way

he is. According to a 2016 study from the UCLA School of Nursing, people who suffer from sleep apnea show significant changes in their levels of two important brain chemicals. The first is GABA or Gamma Amneo Buteric Acid. Studies showed that people with sleep apnea showed significant decreases of GABA, which is involved in integrating quote signals from higher brain regions to regulate emotions, thinking and physical functions such as blood pressure and perspiration. UCLA described GABA as a chemical messenger that assists keeping people calm, functioning

like a brake pedal, and people with severe sleep apnea, like Alex is describing, have significantly lower levels of it. Simultaneously, the study found that while GABA levels are low, levels of glutamine are significantly elevated in patients with sleep apnea. Glutamine is the opposite of GABA and works as an accelerator. Quote, when glutamine levels are high, the brain is working in a state of stress and consequently doesn't function as efficiently. Paul Macy, the lead researcher of the study, said quote, it's rare to have this size of

difference in biological measures. We expected an increase in glutamine because it's a chemical that causes damage in high doses and we've already seen brain damage from sleep apnea. What we were surprised to see was the drop in GABA. That made us realize that there must be a reorganization of how the brain is working. If Alex suffers from sleep apnea so severe that CPAP machines can't do anything about it, it's a very serious condition and you'd expect to see wildly out of balance levels of GABA and glutamine accompanying that.

And you know what? That very clearly explains his behavior. It doesn't explain his bigotry, but in terms of the diminished brain functioning and the clearly out of control behavior we've seen from him in the last few years, it could all be the public presentation of brain damage he suffered because of his sleep apnea. Obviously, this doesn't let him off the hook for anything since we can see that his terrible beliefs and real stupidity predates any kind of change in his behavior, but if this sleep apnea developed over the past few years, it would definitely explain the flagrant inability

he has to control his emotions and his out of control outbursts on the show. All that sort of stuff that we're like, haha, isn't this crazy? It legitimately could be the result of brain damage caused by his severe sleep apnea. I don't know how I feel about that. There is some good news. They've also found in these studies, they've also found in these studies strong indications that the brain damage caused by these out of whack brain chemical levels is not permanent. So if Alex actually starts taking his health seriously, gets that surgery that the doctors

have recommended and going on the right path, he could be back to being a run of the mill interesting racist in no time. It's possible. A lot of this stuff, it really, when he says things like this, it gives you a window into like, okay, the way he's describing that doesn't sound like when he just makes stuff up. He seems pissed off to have to be talking about it, because he accidentally brought it up and it gives you a window and that window is he probably has diminished brain functioning and completely way out of normal range chemical levels for these sort of restricting and accelerating

brain chemicals. It explains so much. Yeah, it's very much like he's on adrenaline all the time. Like every single moment of his life, his brain is stressed out fighting for existence. So but at the same time, you can't excuse him, of course, not at all, but it is one of those things where like if you've ever had anybody in a traumatic car accident near you, who's personality suddenly changed, it's often it's really rare that it's a complete like 180 in who they are.

It's almost always an acceleration and an expansion of those terrible character traits that they already had. They just don't have anything inhibiting that behavior. So I mean, hey, he's always wanted a fascist, but now he really wants a fascist. Yeah, and maybe on some kind of thing. On some levels, because of what we do, you know, parsing out the clues that he provides and, you know, getting context for the things he's saying, maybe this brain chemical imbalance actually really helps us because he doesn't have those governors that restrict his regulation

of emotions, his outbursts and stuff like that. So maybe he tips his hand more because of it, but either way, We need a statistical analysis of how often he drops the quiet part loud in the past three years as compared to It definitely seems like more. Yeah, it does. I don't know. I feel very weird about this because I don't know where this puts Alex on my feelings about

this, or at least in the present day, but I feel very conflicted about it. Like if, if what he's saying is true, then that imbalance does exist and his behavior does match with what studies have shown the behavior of someone who has brain damage from severe sleep apnea, how it would present. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that. I, I don't know. I don't have an answer. I'm just conflicted.

Yeah. Well, the, the other problem though is we can't a verify what he's saying is true. It sounds super true. It's, it sounds true in the way that normally when he's lying about stuff, he's over exaggerating it, but this is like a, I need to get through this obvious fact and we just need to move on and we don't need to worry about it. But I don't, I don't know why Alex would lie about something that makes him seem weaker. Right.

It's not in his character to embellish things that aren't sort of like enhance his importance. At the same time, it kind of gives him like a pity card to play, but I don't, I don't feel made up. And the reason that I, the reason that I take it more seriously is because when you read these studies, his behavior matches the outcome that would be the result of this. Right. That's, that's what I take as like the most compelling piece of evidence.

Right. Again, like I said, it could also match up with a CTE based on his, based on football and, and how many fights they apparently hit him in the head. Yeah. Yeah. Like all of this stuff is, is probably a little bit less predictable than the specific brain chemicals. Right.

The only thing about it is that so much of what we've talked about regarding him could be attributable to any number of reduced brain functions or drugs. Exactly. Which is why I'm fucking conflicted. It's, it's, it's odd. Yeah. So for now, my editorial position is he was fucked up. He is fucked up.

We're not sure why we're not sure why I'm going to, I'm going to call myself out on it a little bit and with like a little asterisk when we talk about him in the future and throughout the rest of the show, that we might be being horrible. But I mean, until further confirmation comes, and no matter what, I think that like, you know, he's a father, he has kids, he needs to take care of that. So like my feeling on it is, as entertaining as his outbursts are, I think the greater good is for him to listen to his doctors and get that next surgery.

You have millions of dollars. You have good healthcare. You can do that. Don't keep sleeping, sitting up. I don't know. I don't know what the Info Wars insurance package is. I'm telling you, I don't think he gets good insurance. I don't know.

He got, he has it for himself. Anyway, of course he does. I don't know, man. So that, that, that was a real serious curveball for me. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah. Um, and so now we jump to the 23rd, where we'll spend the rest of our time for today going through how Alex enjoyed Wednesday.

Uh, and he starts by, uh, a little bit of defensiveness about how he said that Trump was going to declare an emergency and then it didn't happen, uh, which we went over on a past episode, but, uh, hey, Alex wasn't wrong about that. How could he not have been wrong about the economy slowing for the first time in two plus years because of the, I wonder why I'm shut down and I really sit back and think, shouldn't Trump have just declared a national emergency? Oh, but he got convinced not to do it. He was going to do it.

My prediction did not fail. No, he was never talking about it. That's not how predictions were. I said he's a declared emergency. And then when he was, we told you, but they backed off. So that's, so his prediction is wrong. That doesn't, yeah, that doesn't work. The, the, what he's trying to present is a convoluted, nonsensical idea.

I told you a sunspot was going to destroy New York city on January 12th and the sun just backed off. Right. That doesn't mean it didn't still want to destroy New York, but it was convinced by Pompeo not to, he doesn't seem to understand what a prediction is. No, I don't think so either. This is what's going to happen. It didn't happen, but I was right.

Yeah. They were going to do it. Oh boy. So the issue comes down to this idea that Alex is always right, but Trump backed off at the last minute, which Alex discusses a trend that this seems to keep happening. This seems to keep. Oh, so he's close to getting it. Well, no, he gets close to getting it.

He gets it. He's just rationalizing it now. That's the facts, ladies and gentlemen. And so the president has all these ways to skin a cat and he can use the military funding to do it and he should have done it. So I told you they were looking at an emergency. They decided to do it. They said they were going to do it and then he backed off.

So when it comes time for Trump to really execute with canines to really buy it into it every time he backs off, doesn't release the secret document showing it was illegally spied on. They pardoned themselves or didn't do it. They didn't exist. A lot of these things he says he'll do right when it comes to the final edge of the situation, he isn't doing it. And so, hey, we'll see who's right about this in the end, but yeah, we will.

Because you, I mean, your immediate response was right. It's like, oh, maybe Trump is backing off at the last minute, or maybe he's a fucking con man who's bluffing with all this stuff. And these things aren't real. Yeah, maybe. Maybe everything you want him to do is such a tremendously bad idea. Even he eventually gets to the point where he's like, oh yeah, you're right. This is not at all true.

And it would instead make me look like a fucking idiot, which I don't want to do. Alex's argument about Trump being spied on relies on the Dennis Montgomery information that Alex Jones has from the cold case squad down in Joe Arpaio's police department in Maricopa County, which we went over is complete bullshit. That whole story is absolute nonsense. So just imagine the idea. Just imagine the idea of Trump coming out with the public. Like, can you imagine if more people than just us talked about the Dennis

Montgomery, the actual journalist can pour over it and be like, look at all the problems here. It would be the opening Pandora's box in a way that Trump would never want to do. And that should give some indication that the story doesn't have as much legs as Alex wants it to. Now, he can recontextualize it all he wants as like Trump keeps getting to the edge and backing off. But that's not what's going on.

It's he's lying to the public repeatedly and then not not following through because he knows it would be a clusterfuck. That's that is kind of a fascinating thing for Alex, though, is because of course he feels like I'm being betrayed by the president, so yes, at least publicly facing, right? But he does the same thing on account of he knows that he's lying as well. Right. So he knows that if the if the president is going to lie the same way he lies,

he's going to be roundly fucked with. But the president is the fucking president of the United States. So everyone's going to be paying attention, not just fucking us. Sure. Like you were like you were saying, like there's no way that Trump could do any of that shit without being destroyed. Definitely. Definitely.

And Conman, one of the essential features in their sort of modus operandi is that they don't follow through. Yeah. Because like what like a confident now they're going to build that monorail like a confidence guy in classically is out of town by the time that comes time to do whatever they said they were going to do, which is why you don't become president because you can't just leave. Well, it turns out you can just move on.

That's just twist the the news cycle into something else or just, you know, that's true. And so yeah, this is the spiritual version of leaving town. That's what that's what Alex is describing when he says Trump doesn't follow through with his canines. Yeah. It's the same thing. Same thing when Alex tries to prove anything.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. These just these leave in town. Well, I'm going to spend this entire episode proving why it is that Trump should have declared a national emergency. First, I'm going to spend the two hours, of course, bitching about why everybody makes me feel bad all the time. I'm going to devote the last two hours.

Well, I'm not going to do the fourth hour because I I'm just tired. Yeah, someone else is going to take over. And in the third hour, I'm going to kind of touch on it. I'm going to tell you that some headlines would say it's a good idea, but hold on, we're going to have to take a caller that caller insulted me. So I have officially debunked all of this for about 10, 15 minutes. And what I said is not true. Right.

I mean, we saw it in the FEMA camp proving episode that he had. It's like you moved the goalposts a bunch of times, pretended to prove other things and then it was like, well, I'm out of time. I think we I think we've made our case that I only have time to reveal 10% of the fuck off, man, you're leaving town. So that's going to work better than a bull corn hot dog. I think bull corny hot dog whenever the I wrote it down so we could turn it into a thing.

Yeah. I think we would have a better chance of Alex quite frankly. Bull cocky hot dog is what I call the libs. Yeah. So like I said, a lot of the narratives that Alex is perpetuating in the present day are just so predictable. They're exactly what you would expect. Um, and here is Alex talking about the kids, uh, from Covington.

Uh, no, I don't want to talk about them. We don't have to talk about them too much, but here's Alex's take on it. Coming up, I'm going to get into all that where it's like, are they bad or are they good? That's what makes me a sketch show for Nickelodeon and these kids go on there. NBC does a fair interview, but still a whitewash. Yeah. And they get demonized by the left.

Yeah. Hey, NBC, why don't you show people saying we're going to kill you and cut your organs out. You white piece of crap. You cracker piece of crap. You mean to play all the clips again? We've got 20 minutes of insults and cussing and the kids trying to get away to the bus stop and then the poor, wonderful Rambo Vietnam commando, uh, elder chief

big wampum, uh, marches over and gets in their face and the whole corporate press cuts the tape, edits it and lies because they're the enemy of the people. That's not good. I mean, just the chief big wampum thing is real bad. I don't know why Alex can't defend kids who are acting in a very racially insensitive racist way without actually descending into racism himself. I don't know. It seems to undercut his argument a little bit.

It seems indicative of something actually. Yeah. It seems like, seems like, oh, Alex, why are you picking on these racist kids doing racist shit? I'm doing racist shit. Yeah. Weird. It's very weird.

And what he's talking about. I mean, what he's doing is he's trying to pull this weird, uh, slight of hand trick where he conflates, uh, the Native American guy with the, uh, the black Israelites who were yelling stuff at the kids. I, I ignored this entire story. Um, and, and that's because, uh, guess what? What? Whatever you thought is pretty much right.

Yeah. Even if you ignored the story, I, I, I went into like seeing the details, watching all the, like watching the videos and stuff. Uh, yeah. If you're, if your takeaway is that, uh, those kids and particularly the one who was just sort of smugly, uh, standing in front of, uh, the dude, uh, if your takeaway is that they were acting like really, like inappropriately. Yeah.

You're, you're right. You're right. There's more nuance to it in terms of like the kids from Covington, we're getting into a bit of an argument with these black Israelites that were there, the black Hebrew, uh, guys. Um, but the Native American guy who came in with the drum was trying to diffuse the situation and then those kids started antagonizing him. Yeah, of course.

If you actually watch the videos, you can tell that the black Israelites were actually calmed down by the intervention of this other guy and the kids in the MAGA hats, uh, and what have you were not, they then began antagonizing him. I would hate to be in the picture that is so closely related to, uh, what was the name of the first, uh, black student, uh, do you remember the, the Alabama picture with, uh, that crazy white bitch screaming at her? Like that's that picture. I don't want to be that kid.

Yeah. Has anybody considered trying not to be that kid? It is, it is the sort of thing where the optics of it are, are really resonant. They really, they really capture a lot more than the actual picture captures. Right. And, uh, yeah, it's, uh, I don't know. I look, I, my, my position on it is the, the issue is these kids were mixing it up and arguing with these black Israelites.

That's, if you want to point the finger at somebody pointed at them, yeah, you know, like you could, you could have that, but instead Alex, his take on it is that this, uh, Native American elder is chief big wampum and that he's a Soros operative. Right. Right. And he's there, uh, to destabilize things. He goes, he's paid to go to college campuses and get upset about people dressing up like Native Americans.

He has this whole like, that is a strange gig. I mean, I understand that Uber doesn't pay that well, but I'm just saying that that's, that doesn't seem like it pays that well either. He has this whole convoluted narrative about, uh, how Soros is behind it and how this is like, uh, it's trying to create racial division and, uh, what have you. And I suppose my biggest frustration and the reason that I didn't pay attention to this story is because there are already so many of these. Yep.

There are so many of these pictures. There's just go to the fucking Ferguson. Like any number of these pictures, if you want to find them, you can see a picture that gives you a perfect encapsulation of white racism. I don't like these stories because clearly we have not been able to focus on any one of these pictures for a long enough period of time to do anything about it. Yeah. You got too many people muddying the waters, man.

Right. So it's, to me, to me, it's just so frustrating because it's like fucking guys, we can't fucking guys. We got to pick one and then never shut the fuck up about it. Ever. No, no, no, no, no, no. Every single fucking day. That's what the right does.

But that's what I'm saying. That's why they're successful. That's why they've done so well is because they have one thing to say and they just fucking hit it every goddamn day. Right. They have a real targeting and like focus of message. Yeah. Whether or not what they're saying is true.

It's why they've won so much. There's something to that. So Alex wants to talk about how those kids when the MAGA hats are awesome. And the one of the reasons is that places where MAGA is cool are better, but he then explains what he means by better. And I don't think I was going to say, I want to hear where, where better is. I don't think that this is better because I don't think he lives there. Well, guess what?

All the areas where people wear the red hats is where everybody wants to get into. Because you know what? That's where people work 12, 14 hours a day. No, that's where we still fly. Glory down the courthouse. I don't want that. You can make fun of being square all day. Most of us that are square have not been square at some point and figured out it's a

lot better being square than being twisted. Is it being a drug addict or being a pervert or being a weirdo or being a criminal. Yeah, you're damn right. I'm square. I'm squared away pretty good. I'm not perfect. I want to get squared away more. You're drunk on air all the time, man.

Don't fucking come at us with this. This nonsense. You drink on the job. Oh man. You're real square, Alex. But I would say that like if what he's saying, like where the place is where MAGA is cool, like that's where people are working 12 to 14 hours a day. That's too much.

Yeah, boo. That's terrible. Boo, I don't want to do that. Get better jobs. Yeah. Yeah, that's awful. I don't want to do that at all. No, 14 hours a day is absurd.

That's what I work on this podcast. Do you remember the predictions of the future from like the 1940s and 50s? The number one was always like, and because of automation, will all only work three hours a day and everyone was like, fuck yes. Yeah, if your standard of a good place is your overworked and probably underpaid, no, not good. And then second, he says old glory flying at the state house. He means the Confederate flag.

Yeah, he absolutely does. I would say no. I do not think that makes for a good place. I don't even know if I want the American flag flying at the courthouse. I think that that's fine. I just, I just want a courthouse. So that's covered in Bibles. I think that he's being real stupid there and maybe not thinking too much.

Yeah, I think that even in his like sort of calmer moments, he might not advocate for a place where you work 14 hours a day. That seems like that's the real America. That's what he's trying to do. He's trying to be like the real America. You know, farmers are coal miners. Maybe, maybe. Those kinds of like salt of the earth jobs.

Farmer, maybe. Farmer might be what he, yeah, where you work 14 hours a day and you go home for two hours and you hit your wife and then you sleep for eight hours and you do it all the next day, Dan. He could be… It could be real America. He could be harkening to that.

That is entirely possible. Yeah. But what he doesn't fail, what he fails to recognize is that people who are working 14 hours a day are like people who are in the gig economy and like people that have two jobs and you can't make rent and that sort of thing. You know who works a lot of 14 hour days?

Fucking Uber drivers and shit, you know? People in non-Confederate flag waving states. Yeah, you know who doesn't get health insurance? People working 12 to 14 hours a day. Yeah, you bet. So that's all stupid. Anyway, in this next clip, Alex is trying to drum up fear about this caravan 2.0 because we need it again.

The right needs it again. There's another caravan? Yeah, we talked about this already. Alex has started season two. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're on episode two, season two of Caravan Fear. They need it again. And I'm not sure why.

I think it probably has to do with the government shutdown and them trying to make sure that Democrats somehow look bad. I don't know because there's not another election coming up for another year. I suppose their upticks in the shutdown negotiations require a big bad for the wall, you know? Exactly. It's because their narrative about the shutdown

is the Democrats don't want the wall. You build up fear of what the wall could stop. Yeah, that sort of thing. That's entirely what it is. So we have ruined the end of season two when it's disappointing, when it goes exactly the same way as it did in season one. But Alex is complaining that this time Mexico

is going to let people through. And then he says that Trump should do something very scary. Everyone should be terrified by this. So we'll get into that as well. But understand, the Associated Press and others are reporting what Trump said a few weeks ago. Mexico has gone from saying they'll help defend their own border to, okay, if the UN agrees to pay to have these people

shipped up to the U.S. border and they don't stay here, we will allow a full-on invasion. Now, you know what the regular response to that is? It's for the president to declare an emergency. Sure. And to put troops into Mexico. I was right. To take Mexico City if we have to.

Start a war. Start a war. Mexico City would fall like that. What? And let them know that we're not going to have Mexico running a territorial war against us. Holy shit. Alex is saying that Trump.

So we're just going to declare war on Mexico? And take the capital. Wow. I mean, it would fall so fast. So easily. So easily. At what point? You know how great we've been doing in ground wars so far.

We're great at it. Yeah. At what point do you then just not like, oh, we own Mexico now? Isn't that what you do? Is that what he's... Or do you just take Mexico City and then, I don't know, install a government you like there? No, no, no.

We don't. Look, that's what happens. Our foreign policy is all about taking our allies and installing governments where we didn't need to. We're all about overthrowing governments, and that's the globalist philosophy. Right, right, right, right. Now, of course, we should do that with Mexico.

I mean, a broken clock is right once a globalist. So I think it makes perfect sense. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. What the fuck, man? You hear stuff like that, and that is like... That to me is like, did you... Like, that's the sleep apnea stuff that I get worried about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he's advocating for a war on Mexico. Yeah. Troops taking Mexico City. Right, right. But that's only because they... What? How far out of line is this with everything he's purported to believe?

Well... Like the idea of he hates regime change. Right. The idea that he hates foreign intervention. He believes in state sovereignty. Of course. All those sorts of things. All of that is fucking out the window

because he is afraid of these immigrants and refugees that have every right to come and plead asylum when they make it to our board. He's so fucking afraid of that. And what's behind it, I think, I think if you really break it down, is the idea that he's afraid of demographic shift. He's afraid of the idea that white people

won't hold on to the power status that they enjoy. It's so fun how much right-wing rhetoric relies on Mexico doing things. Yeah. You know, it's like... True. It's not like, hey, we're going to accomplish something. It's like, Mexico's going to do it for us.

See? It's free. Right. And pay for the wall. They're going to stop all these caravans. Yeah. And do all our work for us, which, I mean, it sort of tracks without... They deal with immigrants.

If they don't do all of our work for us, if that sovereign nation that has control of its own borders doesn't do all of our work for us, we're just going to have to conquer that nation. Everybody knows that. Alex is kind of flippant with Mexican sovereignty, I think partially because he has such, like, fantasies about the founding of Texas.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that there's a pretty decent chance that that's what underlies his disrespect of Mexican sovereignty. He's just kind of like, technically, I live in Mexico, so we might as well own the whole place. Might as well.

So that's weird. I think that's pretty bad. But in this next clip, Alex expresses a certain ambivalence about Trump, and it's as close as you get to criticism. He says that Trump isn't doing a good enough job in terms of protecting Americans. We're losing tens, well, what's the economy losing?

I saw some number like 10 billion a day. Yes. So we'll have this stupid standoff in the day 32 when the president has the power to do his job and declare the emergency and circumvent the jerks in Congress. Jerks. Comprende, El Presidente.

Seriously, I'm starting to get pissed off at Trump. Now, I know he's a lot better than a phone than at the mouth of Democrats, but it isn't good enough. Protect this from him. Do your job. Stop right there. Okay, it's true.

I stayed up late last night, so I had half a turbo force this morning, half a container, half a packet, and I shouldn't have done it because I'm already pissed. It's making me more angry. And I'll tell you what, I'm feeling a lot of energy.

My brain's sure working good right now. Ladies and gentlemen, it's our newest product. It's turbo force from infolawforcelife.com. And let me tell you, that is not a good ad pivot. His ad pivot is actively advocating not to take the product. Don't take this.

Don't take this. I had half of one of the recommended doses and I am fucked up. Anyways, you should buy meth. It is less damaging than this shit right here because I am fucked up. My ad pivot. Yeah, it's actively working against like,

Hey guys, what you're seeing from me right now is I'm, I'm out of it. I'm out of it because I took this product, which is a new product that's available on the infowarstore.com. What the fuck? This is bad. That is hilarious.

Yeah, it's very funny. If it were a sketch, it would be brilliant. It would be so funny. I have had three heart attacks this morning and I would attribute that mainly to turbo force, the new product available in the infowar store. All right. I didn't use it.

I didn't sleep last night, which is also attributable to what he said a couple of days earlier that he has severe sleep apnea. So he has that. That's probably what caused him to not be able to sleep. Right. So then he gets up in the morning. He has to do his show.

He takes his own product. He's fucked up on air and he tries to sell them by saying how tough they are to deal with. I don't understand this world, man. It's crazy. That's bananas. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. So I think we're losing what?

Like $2 billion in GDP a week is there? Something like that. Is that the real one? I don't know the precise numbers, but I mean, regardless, it's a lot. And then even beyond that, there's so many hidden costs that are going on, not just financial costs,

but in terms of programs that are being, like their funding is falling through, whether it's research, there's so many labs that you can read about where people are having to sneak in to keep cultures alive of research they're doing and stuff like that. There's going to be massive, massive fallout

that we won't understand probably for the next year. And that was the case the last time we had a, even shorter government shutdown than this. We didn't understand the damage that was being done as it was happening. And we do understand right now, the people who are being affected by it, not being paid and stuff like that.

We understand that. Yep. It's harrowing to think about all the stuff that we're going to discover that we just didn't realize got fucked up in the process. And what's super important to remember is that as much as this is Trump being a giant baby, every Republican in elected office save maybe a few

is a giant coward. Yeah. They are, Trump is an idiot. Trump doesn't know, Trump is trying to win a fight. Trump is not aware of how real things work. He's a fucking moron. Probably. Every one of these guys in this,

not every one of them, but a ton of GOP members in the Senate and the House know full fucking well the damage that they are doing and they're doing it out of cowardice because they are watching their constituents get fucked over because they don't want to get blowback. They don't want to show ass. They don't want to look like they're breaking ranks.

And that is exactly why we're fucked because all of these people are cowards. Probably. But Alex is still criticizing Trump a little bit in that last clip. He's still giving him a little bit of, I'm getting sick of this guy. Yeah, yeah.

We're on, we're on getting sick of this guy. Watch year two. Yeah. But this time Alex follows up by expressing a plan that he has to protest Trump. And people need to call the White House and support the president. Could they send the form letter?

Getting his attention. And I am going to go to DC soon and have a march on the White House, peaceful march, calling for the president to do his job and declare an emergency. I thought he would have done it by now. They said he was, but he backed off. Okay.

How crazy is it for Alex fucking Jones to be talking about going to Washington DC, halfway across the country, to hold a quote unquote peaceful march, by the way, where he tries to encourage the president to express executive powers. How great, like, how, like, not a few years ago, whether it was Obama

or Bush's term, he would have done the exact same thing or maybe pretended he was going to, because he's not going to follow through with this. No, hell no. But he would have pretended. That would be a lot of work. Yeah, too much. He has sleep apnea.

Yeah, he would have said that he was going to go and protest Bush or Obama, but it would be to have them not express their executive powers. Right, exactly. So now you have Trump and he's like, he's not doing the thing I need. I need him to create this authoritarian state,

because once he does, I can be a media figure. Yeah, pretty much. I can't do it until he does that. I will be accepted once again. Yeah, exactly. I am going to go to the White House and have a peaceful protest saying that Trump should declare himself king

and destroy the White House. So I can get back on Twitter. Exactly. What a petty bitch. Yeah, it's pathetic. But I mean, underneath it is that he knows or he believes that Trump expressing these executive powers will allow him to create this sort of world

that Alex wants to live in, which we understand from engaging with Alex's rhetoric over the years is a white supremacist authoritarian state. Do you think there is also a bit of like, obviously in the world we live in now, he can't really be successful. So if Trump installs a, I guess, dictatorship.

I think about this exact question that you're about to ask a lot. Then Trump is thinking, well, I mean, of course I'm going to keep Fox and Friends. Those dudes are stupid shills from me. He loves the deuce. I'm going to keep, I'm going to get rid of Shepard Smith. He might fire Kill Me, too.

Yeah. Kill Me, it's got to go. I think we're all fine with that. Kill Me, it's getting a little too lippy on Fox and Friends. But he's going to install Alex as his front piece? Is that kind of what he thinks is, he's going to install Alex in a media operation and so? I think that Alex thinks that his brand of media

would be much more protected were the, because we heard him talk about it, about how Obama put in all these executive orders that he can't name and doesn't specify any of them. And one of them is this vague idea of controlling the media. Go fuck yourself, Alex Jones, initiative. The government has the authority, the executive has the authority to take over the media

and stuff like that. What he's really talking about is the emergency alert system. Right. But he believes that... Ooh, what if he was the voice of the emergency alert system? Tornado coming. This is just a warning. Tornado watch.

Get to your basements. Hawaii, a nuclear bomb is coming. Everyone's going to kill you. Apologies. I can do my own foley work. That was an error. Except I was still right, but it was an error. I think that there is some sense that he has that's misguided,

obviously, but there is some sense that should Trump put through these executive powers that Alex believes him to have, he would be able to then overturn all of the things that are keeping Alex down. Like Trump can get an executive order to put him back on Facebook. Right, right. Because he believes that those things that are keeping him off of these social media platforms are parts of government coordination.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's the globalists within the government that are doing it, not his treasured nationalist. So it's all based on a misunderstanding of what's happening to him. And I think a lot of it is willful, but also it doesn't... It does also feel like he might actually believe it. Yeah. It's really hard to say.

I don't know. I just want him to take over for Sarah Huckabee Sanders, because life would be so much better. Boof, that'd be crazy. They're not even doing press briefings anymore. You might as well put Alex in there. Fuck yeah, everybody would have a great time. And it would make Alex feel so good.

You give him a much needed win. Second source of income so we could get that neck surgery. Which I bring back up because I think that this next clip is a demonstration on January 23rd of exactly his glutamine excessiveness, his overabundance of this stress hormone, this accelerator, and his GABA deficiency. I believe that what we see in this next clip... Not hormone, but brain chemical.

Yeah, I think this is a full demonstration of this. This is why it makes me uncomfortable. I still like to laugh about him and stuff like that, but this is why it's kind of uncomfortable. She drives around in $190,000 cars. He's talking about Maxine Waters. Sure. These people are criminals.

She swindled to her husband tens of millions of dollars to his bank of bailout money. She's a damn criminal. Excuse me, they put Maxine Waters on the screen and made me start to have a little bit of a heart attack there. I don't like losing. I don't like seeing this country get run in the ground. We can beat these people if we just start making the right moves.

Okay, stop right now. Dave, I did take turbo force this morning. Okay. Holy shit. But it's also serious issues. Dave, see, I can't really take my own products. Dave in New York. That's a really bad ad pivot.

That's, I mean, that's not even an, that's an anti ad pivot at the end, but like what you're seeing there. Either that or he just did a line of coke. Could be. That's entirely the problem. It could be that he's just doing coke. The behavior is also in line with that.

Yeah, because you've definitely been to a party where people say that shit. Yeah, or, or, or just some other thing could make someone laugh that maniacally. And I know that it's sort of a running joke on our show, the fake laugh. And like, yeah, a lot of the time, definitely fake. That is right on the line of fake and psychotic.

There's something about that. That's a scary laugh. That second laugh gives you chills. It really fucks with you. Like it's, it's kind of on a, an almost primal level of like, if you hear somebody make that noise, you want to run. Yeah. Cause some shit is happening.

I'm going to play it again. Okay. Dave, I did take turbo force this morning. Okay. But it's also serious issues. Dave shot. Can't really take my own products. That's fucking the Joker.

Yeah. That's legit. Like, why so serious? Like that's crazy. I think that if you, on second listen, I think that there is an element of it that's fake. And then there's also a part of it that's not. There's very scary.

Yeah. It's very, it's very tough to find the line there. No matter what it is, it belies like someone who is mentally unwell. Yeah. It's, you hate, yeah, you hate to see this even in a video. Even, even if that was an act, even if that was fully 100% an act, 100% an act, that's still fucking scary.

Anybody who's doing that as an act knows how terrifying they are in presenting it as real. And you know, you heard that he's going to calls. So he's bringing that energy into talking to his audience. Hi, David. I can't take my own product. Yeah. Anyways, Dave, have you tried turbo force?

It's on sale now. Terrifying. Yeah. You're right. You're right. There's no way around it. Fake or real. It's still super fucked up.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm uncomfortable with all of that. Yeah. So in this next clip, Alex gets back to the Covington business and he says that that Native American gentleman, he said some, you know, he already called him big chief wampum. I assume we're, I assume we're going to continue descending

into more racial hatred. I'll say it's not, it's not good. I'm going to come right back with the Covington kids because that's the next subject I want to get into. I was watching him call the Covington kids. We knew it. We guessed it. He's a Democratic party, Soros operative confirmed.

He went to other churches and we try to break into them and go into services and beating his drum, saying that Christianity attacked the, you know, the natives and all this crap. And they did. Of course, he wasn't a Vietnam veteran. That was all a lie. And it's just, this guy doesn't just look like a demonic snake. He is a demonic snake, absolute bottom of the barrel Democrat

filth garbage every time. Well, they're right back. Stay with us. That's terrible. That is just terrible. I mean, on, on, on so many levels. Terrible. I think he's really channeling Andrew Jackson trying to finish

the Native American genocide. You know, he loves the old, the old Jackson. Like it's cause it's legitimately like, oh, he's saying that Christians came in and murdered. They did. They did. Right. They did it on purpose through Christianity.

That was their main reason for destroying that. But what, what did this guy do? Oh, he was there and he looked so different in his interviews that they, that happened afterwards. He wasn't even mad at those kids. No, like he didn't demonize them or anything. No, I'm pretty sure he was a demonic snake, which is why you can't demonize other people.

That's one of the rules of hell. Did you not know that? You know, he's taught, he says that he looks like a demonic snake, which is also, you know, you would know that if you had been into some serious Satanist shit between the ages of 12 and 15. You'd also know that if you pretended to be a serious Satanist shit. I don't know. Whenever you say that somebody looks like demonic, whatever, that's usually,

you're trying to use code. I always, I always get the sense that whenever you're relating someone's appearance to demonicness, you're generally, I mean, you're talking about their physical characteristics and it's tough to wiggle away from that. Cause I see that guy and I don't think he looks like a demonic snake. He looks pretty nice. He looks like a guy. Yeah.

I don't know. What I think is nice about it is that normally he uses demonic snake to refer to Jews. So it's nice that he's broadening his horizons, you know, like you can call it. He's using the built up sort of potency of it that he's used in the past. Yeah. And applying it now to this new situation. So he's using that trigger that he's built up to apply to this guy.

So it's not better. I actually kind of think that he's in a bummer of a place even for him. Yeah. Because what he would really love is to go after the black Israelites. Cause that I don't even understand that that's part of the story. Right. We're right. But for, okay.

If I was giving, if we were doing our consultancy business, our main goal would be go after the black Israelites. But the reason that he can't is that they are nationalists too. Like they're like, they're black nationalists. No, no, no. I think the reason that he can't is cause they're not in the picture. Like if they were, if the most publicized picture was the black Israelites and the white assholes, then he can be like, yeah, of course it's right to go after them.

Long series of reasons, parentheses mainly because they're black. But because the picture is of the Native American Vietnam War vet, he has to take him down and he's like, ah, this is bad even for 01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:42,400 I think that, uh, one of the reasons that he can't, even if he did understand the full scope of the situation, go after the black Israelites is that like anybody who knows anything about them knows that they thrive on antagonism. What they do generally speaking is they hang out in cities on the east coast like New York

and they yell at people on street corners, hoping to antagonize them. I don't know anything about the black Israelites. Do you have a, could you provide some context for me? I can't provide a lot, but if you want to learn a little bit more about them, go for it. But also there's a good Louis Thoreau documentary where he went and hung out with the black nationalists. And they were one of the groups that he hung out with. You can get a little bit of an insight into how they operate.

Okay, so it's equivalent to, so the black pleaser is that you see here in Chicago, like that guy down on State Street who yells you're going to hell and stuff like that. There is a little kernel of that in what they do. They're sort of, the way they operate is to entice people into what they believe by antagonizing them. You know, I don't know, I don't know if you had this, because you didn't go to college fully. But like when I went, when I went... Ouch. I'm sorry. I don't mean to disparage, but... I earned a degree. I just didn't pay for it.

Fine. I have more credits than necessary. When I went to University of Missouri, there was a guy who used to come to campus named Brother Jed. And he was this evangelist who would go around the country. Like, I'm sure a number of people who were listening had him come to their campus throughout the time that they were in college. He was around. But his main base was in Missouri. His mom's so fat when she was... Yeah. You got it right.

All right. Yeah. His main base was in Missouri, and he was always on campus at Mizzou. And his whole thing was just screaming at people about how they're whores and how they're going to hell. And what he would do is he would attract a large crowd of college kids who were mostly laughing at him. Right. And then he would yell at them and then try and engage them in debates. And that was his style of evangelism. And you know what? Here's the thing. It doesn't work big picture, but it does work

in terms of like a thousand people are going to laugh at you and maybe someone's going to take a swing at you, but you get to use that guy who takes a swing at you as an example of why you're right and you're oppressed. Right. And the people who do come to you, maybe one out of every 5,000 people that you encounter, is going to be extreme as fuck. And that's going to be a good recruit. Okay. The people, like people like the black Israelites, they are operating in a very similar technique. They're using the same strategy. It's that broad net that you're going to lose

everybody, but the people you do get are going to be soldiers. They're going to be acolytes. And this is different from the 5% nation? Yes. That's through Islam. Do they get along well? Actually, the 5% nation is an offshoot of Malcolm X's church. Right. That Malcolm X's church wasn't extreme enough for them. So this guy named Clarence Thirteen X, whose nickname is Pudding.

Love him. His name is Pudding. I would like him to be my friend. Because his words were so smooth. Is he still alive? No, he is dead. God damn it. But Clarence Thirteen X, who branched off of the nation of Islam, created the 5% nation,

the nation of gods and earths. Where in his conception is the black man is God made up of the constituent parts, arm, leg, leg, arm, head, which are a law, arm, leg, leg, arm, head. That seems a little too easy, especially since English, but never mind. Sure. Like he knows they don't spell it that way in, never mind. He believes that the black man is God and the black woman is their earth. So they exist in a, in a sort of mutually respectful arrangement where the God rules

over the earth and the earth. Now there's where we get to jump. Sure. Of course. The patriarchal is hell. Also white people were created in a lab by an evil scientist named Yakub. Again, I still don't disbelieve that. And there's tons of people in pop culture who kind of believe these beliefs,

like the Wu Tang clan, uh, among, among other rappers, but this has done a lot for me. I don't disagree yet. One of the interesting things is that the Riz's version of the 5% nation is almost, uh, reform 5% nation idea. I think he takes a lot of the racism out of it, or at least he has in later time. I think if you went back to like when 36 chambers was recorded, did he, did he, did he fail 36 species on them? Might have.

I might know too much about them. The reason that's called the 5% nation is because they believe that there are 5% of the population that is aware of the truth and helping wake up the rest of the population. 85% of the population is deaf, blind, and dumb. They have no idea what's going on. All right. And then there's 10% that is working against the 5%. They're trying to keep the 85 that don't have a clue asleep in their slumber.

All right. And the truth that the 5% knows is that the black man is God. Right. But in the more reform versions of it, that the Riza espouses these days, it's more, it's not really that important what race you are. It's more a self-empowerment thing. Like the 5% understands that you are a God in your own life. Right.

That sort of thing. Right, right, right. Now granted, there's still some misogyny aspects to it that are not comfortable. I was going to say, there's already we're back in there. That part hasn't been reformed. We're going to, we're right back into patriarch here. Right. It's not, it's not great.

It's interesting. But to answer your question in a briefer way, the 5% nation is an Islamic group, as opposed to the black Israelites, which are more sort of the Judeo-Christian line. That's what I was wondering. Do they, do they get along? No, I don't, I don't. They can't get along, right? No, but they do have.

That's such a bummer. We've got a 5% Israeli Palestine situation going on. I'm sorry. I'm absolutely curtailing this one. No, I mean, and they do share a lot of like sort of black nationalist ideas, certainly, which, you know, seems like it would be common ground. But I don't, from what I understand, and I could be a little bit wrong about this, from what, but from what I understand, they don't see eye to eye.

Gotcha. The 5% nation and the black Israelites aren't, aren't cool. Well, bummer, you guys would have, you guys could have had a great time together. Alex goes on at this point to talk more about how cool these kids were from Covington, the Covington boys. And he says, that was also a great band name too. I would like that. He says something that boy, not good.

And these kids are so cool. I mean, this must be an awesome school. You hate cool people. You want to be a square taking this nicely? Let me tell you something. When I was 14, 15, 16, just the average person in Dallas, I don't care if you're an adult or who you were, we were all polite and nice, but if somebody got in our face and started beating rums on our face or telling us they were going to kick our ass, you'd have a problem.

So I thought you were a Satanist at that time. But I was writing down two of those years, at least you were a Satanist. So shouldn't you condemn that behavior? I don't understand. He's just his whole timeline is fucked. But him saying that this school is awesome, that must be a great school. You can go find pictures of a bunch of the kids from the school, like at basketball games and blackface.

That's great. Yeah, real cool school. That's part of their tradition. You bet. It's crazy. So Alex being like, this is a great, it seems like a great school. No, it's not. And there's, there's more indications of this too.

Like there have been other people who have looked into the sort of the staff there and talked to other students who go to that school and they've all indicated there's a pretty, there's a pretty problematically very like singularly white situation. There was an interview with the valedictorian who was gay, who was like, this school is fucked. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't read that interview, but I believe it.

He was a former valedictorian. So I mean, even, I think it was like last year or something. You always are a valedictorian if you are once, that's what I say. That sounds right. So in this case, I didn't graduate college. In this next clip, Alex is trying to defend these kids. And what he does is he appeals to a lie that he is built up as a waypoint over the years. And because we've done our work and we have followed Alex, we know this is a lie and it's

fun to see. We had Matthew and Nevada making the point that people are saying we're going to kill you, go back to Europe, we're going to harvest your organs. The provocateur wasn't doing it. He was just beating the drum in their face and then had the people with him. So Alex is already without talking about the specifics of the situation is admitting that these were the black Israelites who were yelling these things. So the provocateur though was this Native American guy with his drum.

So I don't understand how that's the provocaturing. If Alex is mad about is these black Israelites who are screaming at the kids, go back to Europe. I'm going to take your organs. Yeah, I was going to say by necessity, the provocateur cannot be the guy. No, it has to be the people. The person is actively trying to diffuse the situation between the two parties fighting. He's the mediator.

Alex doesn't give a shit that he led over like the Pied Piper. That's what these provocateurs too. That's what's in the Antifa documents. It's how you go to areas that they target blacks. It actually says it in the documents. 2018, we got them. Which was how they're trying to cause martial law and race riots. And talk about how they're Antifa people.

They start the violence. They start the call. They even have drums sometimes. And then they try to trigger the population to get even more violent. They have agreed areas they can target with the police. Certain trash cans, certain businesses that are in on it at a corporate level like Starbucks. I was wondering why they always attack Starbucks. Starbucks doesn't press charges.

It's all authorized. That's in the documents. These are the documents that he found on 4chan that are completely fake. These are the Soros Antifa contracts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is complete bullshit. This is like, this to me is where the conversation really should stop. But because of the show that we do, it never does.

Like the conversation that Alex says something like that. And all you have to do is like, Alex, where does your narrative go if those aren't real? You haven't proven that they're real. So where do you have anything to stand on here if they're not real? Right. No, you don't. All this falls apart. This idea that the guy is a provocateur falls apart.

He's even now throwing in that in those documents, like sometimes I have drums. Now I wasn't a part of this before. He was using it because it's convenient now. You know that the initial thing was a lie. So you can add a hat to a hat. You can lie on top of a lie. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

Say that there's drums in that document. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who gives a shit? If the Antifa sometimes uses drums, this guy was using a drum. He must be Antifa. That's a logically sound statement. One to one. You love logic.

You can clearly confirm that if A uses a drum, then by necessity, if B uses a drum, despite there being no connection between them, they must be the same. The way you do it is some Antifa protesters use drums. This protester uses a drum. It's possible that this protester was. Nope. That's the best you could do. It's in the documents.

It doesn't work. So at this point, towards the end of the show, Alex gets some breaking news, and he's got to go to it because it's important. But this just broke. Caracas is basically falling in Venezuela. The president here has recognized the opposition leader that many experts believe won the last election. That's crazy.

So Juan Guaidó has declared himself the president of Venezuela. That's what's going on. But the president up to this point has been Nicolas Maduro. I have no interest in litigating the presidency of Maduro because I sincerely think that it's a side issue. What's going on right now is a coup. And Donald Trump has expressed that he recognizes Guaidó as the president of Venezuela and that, quote, all options are on the table in terms of dealing with the situation.

This could end up being a very, very serious problem. Because you know who recognizes Maduro still at this point? Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, Turkey, Mexico, and many other countries. There's a ton of oil in Venezuela. So it's not like the world is just going to agree to disagree about who the president of the country is. And this could very seriously blow up into a geopolitical crisis. Now that Maduro has indicated that he's going to cut off relations with the U.S.

And he's given notice for diplomats to return to the U.S. Yeah, they have 72 hours or whatever. Yeah, it's crazy. We're recording this on Wednesday because of our schedules this week. But just before we started recording, there were indications growing that Trump will not withdraw diplomats because the president he recognizes didn't ask him to. This is a recipe for an international incident. Wait, he said he wouldn't withdraw them?

There were indications that he was going to make that statement right before we started recording. Holy shit, he's going to get motherfuckers killed. Absolutely. I mean, that could spark like an absolute disaster. I don't know what the situation is because for the last, you know, hour and a half we've been recording. But as I was following it before this is, you know, what you what you see is the recipe for real fucking trouble because it's not an isolated thing.

Right. Like I know how bad Brazil is. Like the idea that Bolsonaro is in power. Right, right. That sort of thing. But it doesn't have the same wedge that something like what's going on in Venezuela right now does. These are both coups.

Absolutely. Yeah. In terms of what and right in line with how we treat South America. Yeah. And Central America. But this is like this is different because we have now Trump and Trudeau in Canada is also said that they recognize Guido as the president. And so you have the these these X group of people who are like that is the real president

of this oil rich country. Yeah. No, these other people think Maduro is still the president of this country. Right. What comes what ends up happening is who does the military support? Yeah. And then if it if they support the side that oh, I don't know America doesn't agree with what does that turn into?

Yeah. Although it has it has the potential to be a ridiculous powder cake. It is it is something of a weird conversation, though, because when you do add in Mexico recognizes Maduro as president, he has received a lot of pushback from that. But you know, Amlo, people aren't stoked that he was like, yeah, Maduro is president. Nope. That wasn't a thing that everybody's cool with. No, no, no.

And so Mexico joining that coalition is is one of those things where people have very mixed feelings about and I have I have mixed feelings, too. Like I'm not we're not sitting here supporting Maduro or anything like that. Fuck Maduro. But the situation that's happening right now with Juan Guido is is nonsensical. It's it's it's ludicrous. So Guido has been the leader of the National Assembly, but he did not supposedly win the 2018 election as Alex is presenting.

That's crazy. The candidates in that election were Maduro, Henry Falcón, Javier Bartuchy, Ray Naldes, Quijota, and Louis Alejandro Ratti. If Alex wants to make the argument that Maduro's win was suspicious, fine, go for it. Because it was. We can have that conversation. Agreed. But to say that Guido is the rightful winner of that election and some international

organizations believe that it demonstrates a complete lack of awareness of what's going on because he wasn't even in that election. That's nuts. I was I was going to facetiously say, of course, he didn't win that election. He didn't even run because I thought that would be a fun joke. Nope. He didn't even run. Yeah.

Okay. He ran for like president of the National Assembly, which is like the legislature. Right, right, right. Great. But I would I from what I understand, it's like essentially equivalent to like Speaker of the House. 01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:00,720 Kind of.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of position. So after being sworn in as president of the National Assembly last year, Guido began encouraging the military and the government to recognize him as the rightful president of the country. It's possible to live in a world where you have severe misgivings about how Madoro runs the country and at the same time recognize that this is an anti-democratic coup happening right in front of our eyes.

I certainly don't know what the right answer is, but I'm fairly certain that it's not immediately recognized the guy who declares himself president as the rightful president of the country. No, that's not great. I don't think that's the right way to go about it. What they should do is elect to mayor. I think that would be a great idea. He can't run in Brazil anymore.

He might as well become president of Venezuela. Sure. That makes perfect sense. Extradite Lula to Venezuela. See what happens. Actually, that would probably work out great. I don't, I'm not, not in a month. We're laughing, but like this is very, very serious.

No, this is fucked up. We're all going to, yeah. And, and the, the, the possibility, I'm not, I'm not trying to predict terrible things to come or anything like that. Cause I don't like being a doomsday guy or anything like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the potential for, uh, like real serious disagreement among world powers is very possible here because Venezuela and their oil resources are a very important piece of not just our

world, but everyone else's. So the idea that Russia, China, Iran, Turkey recognize Maduro is the president and we are starting to say like, nah, it's Guido. Where do you think that ends? If only there were previous historical examples of America recognizing somebody as the president who wasn't democratically elected. I mean, can you think of any none? No, I know, I know, but this is happening in front of our eyes right now.

I know it's, it's weird. Yeah, it's terrifying. So Alex doesn't really do any analysis on that. I can't wait for like a week from now for him to be like, I like this Guido guy. And he's like, Hey man, you hate like foreign intervention. You hate regime change. Yep. You hate all of these things.

You hate, uh, anti-democratic processes. Yep. You respect sovereignty of countries. Right. What are you doing? Like it, it just, he has no, he's a man of drift. He has no center. Yeah.

This is, this is weird. I don't like it. No, it makes me, it makes me feel really uncomfortable when somebody does it. Like, and this is, this is also true of like to, to always make it clear, uh, party affiliation is not important. Not in our country. Not to, not to me or, or anything like that. So to see so many people just fucking abandon their principles, to watch these.

There's so many Democrats too who are like, because they don't like Madoro getting on board with this. That's what I'm saying. Just because you don't like Madoro doesn't mean that this is the right answer. Right. If you don't have principles, then fucking say it. You know, like just say, I don't give a fuck about what it is I pretend to believe. And I will do the expedient thing in order to achieve my short-term goals, which as we

know from all of human history always works out great. Yeah. Like, I don't know how better to say go fuck yourself. I mean, yeah, totally. But I mean, we all, like all the people who are, you know, making those arguments know that it's not going to affect them at all. Yeah, that's going to affect the people in Venezuela. It's going to affect the collateral damage that, uh, ends up with tons and tons of death there.

Yeah. Like it's, it's, it's, it's dreadfully unacceptable and. Which is great because the Venezuelan people have been doing so well for so long. Sure. And Alex talks about the idea that they're like eating dogs all the time and stuff like that. And like, sure, you can, there's a conversation to be had about, you know, Hugo Chavez and, Madoro's mismanagement of resources and stuff like that. Absolutely.

Then there's also a conversation to be had about sanctions and, and that sort of thing. And how much that affects, uh, the actual civilians there as opposed to, uh, people trying to hurt, uh, and, and, and so it's not as black and white as Alex wants it to be on that, that end either. Yeah. It's, it's. I can't, I can't, you know, like we've talked to, we talk about sanctions or, or at least our government and media talks about sank sanctions and I can't find a moral argument for them.

Do you know what I mean? I think, I think, uh, yeah, it's hard because ideologically I think they're right, uh, in terms of, you know, if there is, it's sort of like putting someone in time out. Like if you look at it just from, uh, like on paper standpoint, like the idea. It's more like putting, it's more like a child, like a parent acting terribly and putting the child in time out, except you're starving the child today. But that's what, that's what I was going to get to in the second part of this. Sorry, sorry about that.

I apologize for interrupting you. No, it's fine on paper. It seems like it's a good, like the way to do it. Like if someone, some country is out of line and then cut off the aid and, you know, put sanctions on the freeze accounts and, and that sort of thing. It seems like that's the right thing to do, but we've had enough time where we've seen that the effect of it doesn't actually hurt the people that you're trying to hurt, which would be the, uh, the oligarchs, the people who are in power, that sort of thing.

It only ends up hurting the people beneath them. So we should know from experience that it doesn't work though it appears that it would work. Same way that, uh, like, uh, you know, quarantines and like closing the borders. It feels like it would work. And it seems like a good argument. It makes, it makes a logical sense. Yeah, yeah, an intuitive sense as opposed to a logical, yeah, yeah. It feels like the right thing to do, but we have enough, uh, experience.

We have enough history to know that it doesn't and it just hurts the most vulnerable people. So yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what the appropriate thing, uh, or international protocol should be. I don't know one of the problems is this is still developing, you know, even as we're recording this and it'll be another day before this episode is out. Right. So by the time this episode comes out,

there'll be things that we're unaware of as we're recording. Right. And so I don't, I don't know the situation will develop and what have you, but the big point is that Alex doesn't understand what's going on. He has no idea. He's commenting in a flippant way, um, which seems to advocate. It indicates initial support for Guido, um, in as much as he's saying that he should have been the rightful winner of the last election.

Yeah. And it just, it's, it's a pathetic, uh, position for him to be in. Like he needs to do better. I suppose he needs to prepare in any way. And I understand this is breaking news. No, absolutely. There's a way to uncritically and, uh, just without editorial position to reveal breaking news. So like you're in the middle of your show, this news breaks.

You'd say, here's the situation. We'll, uh, we'll talk about it a little bit later. Need to get some more details. Right. That sort of thing. That's how you present that. Or if you're someone who has studied the situation and understands the history of Venezuela, understands what's going on there, you can editorialize a little bit.

But Alex is doing neither. It's just bad. I halfway think his prescription for solving the Venezuela crisis is for America to take over Mexico city. I mean, that's part of it. Doesn't that sound? Well, Mexico sports, uh, yeah, maybe. So we have one more clip, Jordan.

And, uh, so recently there have been a couple posts in our group, the, uh, on Facebook, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant that are asking. Nice. Um, they're asking us. I did take some go home and tell your mother you're brilliant this morning. And I am fucked up. So I wouldn't recommend joining the group at all. Don't do it.

Um, there have been a couple posts, uh, asking if anybody has any idea if Alex knows about our show. And my, my response to that is always kind of like a, I think he probably does. I think I have some reason to believe that he does, but also anything that I think or any evidence that I have that he knows about our show could be explained away by coincidence. Did he hear about us through the Somali pirates? Could be.

Um, it could all be coincidence. There's nothing definitive. Right. But I think that I don't, I don't think that you live in a world where there are two people who have been putting out multiple episodes, critiquing him for two years and at least somebody who works at info wars doesn't know about. I think that's unrealistic. Especially with his pen chance for finding every single specific critic

about him that he possible. Like somebody wrote a random ass blog on one of our episodes in the past and he spent an hour on it. Yeah. But also that might have been like how he used to operate. Maybe he's sort of let that go. Always. Who knows.

There's a lot of possibilities. I can't say definitively either way, but I think this next clip made me gasp from the Wednesday, the 23rd, because it indicates that if he listens to our show, he listens early in the morning, like before he does his show on the way to work. He listens to us. Listen to this. I like that. Well, let me tell you who.

And I know one of the members of who is a big listener, big one. Sheep no longer because I got the answers. I have. Are you sure you're not listening to us? I have not heard him talk about who being big listeners, except for that episode that we put out on Wednesday, the morning that he recorded this show. It happens again. Coincidence, probably a crazy coincidence.

That's crazy, but it's nuts, man. I like living in this fantasy world where he woke up and listened to our show. He was like, yeah, but who are fans of me? I remember that. So goddamn it. Are you actually smart? Are you fucking with us? It's not.

I need to know. So he says that at least one of the members of the who is a big fan of the show. And I should say there's only two members of the who who are still alive, Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend. I was going to say Keith moon dead, not a fan and whistle, not a fan. Townsend 100% is not a fan of Alex. In 1974, Pete Townsend said that he was a practicing capitalist, but his ideals were communist. In 2012, he gave an interview where he said, quote, I try to stay away from American politics

because I'm a bit of a neocon. I like the idea of America as the world's police force. That's not in line with Alex in any way. So you could say that he had like nascent communist tendencies back in the 70s. And then he grew into a neocon, which is a very regular trajectory for people of that generation. Yeah, yeah. Especially talking about my generation, especially ones who become rich. Yes.

That's kind of a big, but the idea that he would become a self-avowed neocon and express that, that sort of thing means he's not even close to Alex's world. I think that Alex here is just really talking about how Roger Daltrey did an interview where he endorsed Brexit. I think that's what he's going off of. But in the same interview, he critiques Trump and says he has stupid hair and shit like that. So I don't know. God damn it, Daltrey, get your house in order.

But it's got to be Daltrey that Alex is talking about because it's not Townsend. It is not Townsend. So it's got to be Daltrey, but I looked for it. I tried to find like some indication that like, where is he close to Alex? And it's legitimately the only thing that I can find is one interview he did where he said, yeah, I'm into Brexit. See, because I could almost see Keith Moon being into Alex. He's dead though.

I know that's the problem. When did Alex start to show? Because Keith Moon died before that. This one was from literally today. No, no, no. All right. All right. God damn it.

I'm just talking about how one of them is a big fan. Like, even if that's true, because I was trying to think like even if it was 20 years ago, Keith Moon has been dead for forever. I think Keith Moon's been dead as long as Alex has been on the radio. Entwistle, I think died in the 90s, right? When did he? I remember his death. I don't remember when it was though.

I will tell you this. I don't. No. Because really, Entwistle, are we even going to count you as a member of the who? To me, Keith Moon and Pete Townsend are the who and Daltrey and Entwistle can go fuck themselves. I understand where you're coming from with that, but you're wrong. Fair enough. Oh, no.

Entwistle died in 2002. Oh, so it could be Entwistle. No, it can't. Because he's talking about it in the present tense. Entwistle died 17 fucking years ago. He faked his death. Could have been much like JFK Jr. Absolutely.

Shout out to the QAnon people. Oh, man. I still can't believe JFK Jr. faked his death. Yeah, it's crazy. So we reached the end of this episode and I don't know. I don't think we have any. This is the problem with modern days. No, it's like that.

What the fuck are we even talking about? We solved it. I think the only thing you walk away from this is like Alex has no ability to talk about things on the fly, things like a coup in Venezuela. Yeah. He shows his cards by being so ill-equipped to discuss them. Right.

Just one thing, which isn't news, but it's good to see. Fun to see. And then I don't know. You just see him doing exactly what you'd expect him to. And honestly, that's even what you'd expect him to do. Because before he got the news, Trump had already said that he recognizes Guido. So no matter what happens,

no matter what his actual beliefs of it is, of course, he's going to the side with that. You have these kids. Yeah, that's true. You have the kids from Covington. Of course, Alex is going to defend them and say that everyone is just race agitators and shit like that. Right.

All of it is so nonsensical and pointless, except for the piece where now I think we understand Alex's brain damage. And I want this. Or at least we understand his brain damage in the present day, which may be different from his brain damage in 2009. Right. Whatever the brain damage is from being stuck under that house, there's being fumigated and stuff like that.

That's what I'm saying. Like those sorts of things. I mean, who knows? It's too vague to be meaningful. This, I think, is more real. And so I would like it to be a conversation on the Facebook group. If you're there, go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. Let us know.

Like I want to know what the audience thinks about. Does that bring an element into this where it's ugly for us to make fun of him? Yeah. Because I think it might. I don't know where to land on it. And I do value our listeners input. So I wouldn't, I'm not saying that whatever you say I'm going to do, but I would.

No. I would like external input because I feel very conflicted about it. I agree. And also Alex wasn't a Satanist. Here, different theory. Alex has created seven Horcruxes. All right. Now we know that the way to create a Horcrux is to kill because that splits your soul in part.

Okay. Uh, according to, uh, uh, J.K. Rowling. Just kidding. Rowling. Uh, and we know that he is killed in the past. Dogs, humans, all of these things. So maybe he's just continued to split his soul up too many times until he can't even breathe.

Everybody knows that sleep apnea is a direct result of Horcruxing. Interesting. That's scientific. Scientific. I've never read the Harry Potter books, but it's, it's good to know that there was a little bit of, uh, sleep apnea subplot in there that I messed out on. I don't know.

I just, I would like people's input, uh, because I can't do this on my own. I can't really find my moral center because if I did, I would say we can't talk about him in the present anymore. Right. I would just say like if left to my own devices, that would be the line I take. Yeah. And I don't think that's the right thing to do, but I don't fucking know.

And I don't think you know either. I think we, I don't know. Let us know. No, I mean, my moral center is, uh, you are, you're. Expansive. Yeah. You're a person to be like, keep making fun of him, hit him when he's down.

That is not true. That is not true, Dan. I don't like to, I don't punch down. No, I understand that. And that's the, I mean, the conversation really is, are we punching down exactly? And it's hard to know if that's the case. Like we can see what the, the expected impairment is

from the condition he's describing. And you can see that a lot of it is the part that makes 2019 episodes of Alex Jones worth listening to. Yeah. The stuff where he freaks out and does stuff that's fucking stupid as shit. Right. That might all just be, uh, consequence of his, uh, like brain damage. Like the stuff, the rest of the stuff is all boring, wrote.

Oh, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Right. And that's not a good show for us. That is if we, if we exclude ourselves from talking about the stuff that is almost clearly a product of his GABA deficiency and, uh, glutamine excessiveness, then we, we, we put ourselves in a box where present day episodes are unlistable. You know, but that, that asks, that begs a, uh, uh, larger question, which is to

what extent does an outsize media influence affect whether or not you're punching down? You know, like, okay, so Sean Hannity has a heart attack tomorrow and six months from now, he's back. Right. And you can clearly see that the heart attack has affected him, but he still has 10 million viewers a night. You know, I honestly don't think that that measures into my equation because

where I'm coming from is just a strict human level that, and maybe it's because like, I think that a large part of where I'm coming from and my hypersensitivity about this comes from, uh, when I was in college, I had a professor who had had a stroke, um, and he was unable to do his job. He was not able to give lectures. I remember. Yeah. And he'd show videos in class of himself in the like mid eighties, um, and he was

just a perfectly articulate, uh, guy. Everything was totally fine. And then as he would lecture, it was just, he couldn't communicate anymore because of the effect of that stroke. Right. And there were people in that class that would laugh at him and make fun of him as a lecturer. And that always really bothered me.

That idea of like, I get that he's bad at doing his job, like, which is to give a lecture because of something that's not his fault. It's an impairment. Yeah. And I always got very, I was very mad at people who didn't understand that, but at the same time I, you know, was deprived of any meaningful education in the class. But I, I, I look at it, I look at Alex in the same way now. Like, I look at this, like the, in the, in the past, whenever we've talked about

these hypothetical brain damage type things, they haven't been as concrete as this. Yeah. Like the idea that he's expressing, that he has to sleep sitting up and that CPAP machines don't work for whatever he has. And he needs surgery for his thick ass neck. I mean, that is what leads to the condition he's manifesting. I don't know.

I don't know. Yeah. We don't need, we, we're not going to be able to parse this out. We shouldn't, we shouldn't even bother. We're just, we're going to talk in circles for, yeah. No, it's going to come back and there's going to be moral relativism and it's going to be a whole massive thing. Moral relativism is fine.

It's just that I think that we're just going to keep expressing that we don't know. Yeah. You know, it's just going to keep coming back to who knows. So the sound off, let us know what you think. I value your input and we'll see where we, like how the future progresses. But until then, we'll be back next week. Yes, we will.

And, but until then, we have a website, knowledgefight.com. Indeed. Also, fill your hand. Go there. Also, alexjoneshow.us. If you go to any one of those, I'll tell you, I went there this morning and I am fucked up. I can't even handle it.

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If I, it's, it's unfortunate, but I've also been selling buttons after shows. So I'm, uh, well, there's a button machine in your house. Fine night at no. So why don't you put in a little legwork and make a few more fucking buttons? It's not my button machine dance. Your girlfriend will let you use that button machine. That would be rude to presume upon her. Holy shit.

Anyway, all right. Um, look, we, we've made it to the end of this and, uh, we've had a lot of. Roger Daltrey, uh, it seems like he's into Brexit and I'm not, not thrilled with that, but I bet he hasn't killed anybody. I don't know if that's true. You just think that of everybody who's ever lived a fun rock star life. You think that they've probably killed somebody.

I don't know. That's the point of living a fun rock star life if you haven't killed anybody. I've never heard any evidence that Roger Daltrey has killed somebody, but one guy that I've heard some evidence, uh, that he has technically probably killed a dude. Oh yeah. That's Alex Jones. Oh no.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.