Knowledge Fight - #258: April 12-13, 2009

Episode Date: January 30, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a little bit of Alex Jones content from the past. In this installment, Alex introduces at least two completely misrepresented documents into his narratives, and Dan expresses that he thinks the mystery of Alex Jones And The Case Of The Tea Party is pretty much solved.

Hey everybody, Dan here just wanted to jump in with a slight introduction for this episode first First piece of business That I feel is important is to make a little bit of an apology. I on the last episode about Roger Stone being indicted I said he had a six count indictment. I apologize. It is a seven count indictment. I did mix that up I had a little bit of a brain mix up in In delivering that information because of the obstruction charge and the witness tampering I just sort of blended them a tiny bit. So, sorry if anyone was confused by that Beyond that today we got an episode for you and here's the situation

We recorded this episode intending for it to be Monday's episode But because of the old Roger Stone business we had to shuffle things around and so here We are with the 2009 episode on Wednesday. Hope no one is too confused by that either But because we got our days screwed up though because this the world is crazy and Roger Stone has troubles We weren't able to give a very special shout out To someone out there who's about to celebrate their birthday tomorrow Sarah D Happy birthday to you. I hope you're having a great one out there

Matt got in touch with us and wanted us to send The happiest of birthday messages out to you. So please accept on our behalf The well wishes of a of a wonderful 23rd year here on this earth And uh, yeah, that would have been in the episode if Roger Stone hadn't gotten indicted So how about that if you want to blame any any sloppiness on our part for that? Blame roger stone Anyway, guys, thank you all so much for the positive feedback about the roger stone episode and all that. I really do appreciate it and We'll enjoy the episode Andy and chan's us. You're on the air. Thanks for holding

Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan I'm Jordan work couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk just a little bit just a touch about Alex Jones Oh, indeed. We are Dan. Hi Jordan Dan. Yeah What was the last time you heard a fart song live? A what so you know a parody fart song? You know those live? Yeah, whenever you're at a comedy show and a comedian pulls out a guitar and just Sings a the theme from the bodyguard, but he puts farts. I can't think of I can't think of any instance of that

I'm very glad that I haven't that can't be true. I remember you were comedian for like seven years But I blocked out a lot of those like open mic things the only in Chicago the only song guy that I remember Was the ice man? I don't remember you remember the ice man. I don't think so He would wear a suit to open mics and he would sing he had one song called the best party ever I do remember that guy. Yeah. Yeah. What was it about the best party ever? Okay. It was a great party What was the name of the song a best party ever? Okay another song called the couch cow that I found really offensive It was lazy and not funny, but it was about being at a party and hooking up with an overweight girl on the couch Oh, that's really gross. Yeah, so I think that's worse than a fart song

That is worse than a fart song. I can't think of any that's as best I can do to fulfill your interview request But what we can do is thank some people who have signed up nicely done are Supporting the show. We appreciate it very much. First of all, martin. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk I'm a policy Wong. Thank you, Martin. Thank you, Martin. Next. James. You are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you James. Uh next Pedro. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk. Thank you Pedro next Marius Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk. Thank you Barrios

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He's a loser little little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus christ I know How to read I am out of control. Yeah, I've never really seen a lot of white racism in my life I forgot this drop. I bet you money. There are a few living black people that have been Abused by white people as much as I have been abused by black people add-off hitler Joseph Stalin both those guys were complete bad asses Complete studs. Welcome to McDonald. May I help you? I'm Betty Sanders. Thank you so much. Bob. Bobby I forgot that our raptor princess drop gets really dark. Yeah Yeah

People are prone to forget that But if you were out there and you're listening and you'd like to support the show, uh, we would appreciate it You can do that by going to knowledge fight.com clicking the button that says support the show. Please do. Thank you so much That was a weird voice. Yeah, it was. Yeah weird tone. Um, so Jordan, like I said, was that your bernie sanders impression? It was yeah, okay. So today we're going to be going over april 12th and 13th and guess what april 12th is a best of Took me 10 minutes of listening to the show to realize. Oh, this is the same chuck norris interview. I've already heard You know, it'd be really fun because we've seen so many times We would do a present day episode and then we go back into 2009 and it's so relevant

It'd be hilarious if this episode was like, I don't know who this roger stone guy is But he's probably going to jail someday roger doesn't come into alex's life for four years after the point in 2009 that we're covering So that would be prescient exactly like this guy's a real It totally sounds like something that could happen if sometime down the line. I trust that guy someone fucking pinch me Can you believe he has a tattoo of nixon's face on his back? There's no way I would ever hang out with that guy He's going to jail someone Keep this clip and play it for me in the future if I ever I'm so stupid

This is actually I think this is going to be kind of fun Maybe a little bit the 13th is an interesting day and It always is nice to remind people that on april 8th alex turned real hard on soros And then immediately started talking about how he liked some ollie pirates. Yep. Um, and then What who knows? Yeah um And so we find ourselves here on the 12th is a sunday and monday I'm kind of expecting to hear some ollie pirate talk

No, I I know some ollie pirate was a one-off Some at least somebody talked to him or was like listen Don't talk about some ollie pirates anymore. You can't be you can't be that guy. Hey, man You might not have a grasp on this story. You should you should probably uh Let it go Um, the thing is though that um On the 13th alex should be talking about the smally pirate stuff because on the 12th They freed captain phillips right like the story came to a head on that sunday when he had the day off playing a best of episode

He should come in and be like, hey, remember how I said you got to give it to him Holy shit that situation was nuts one way or another either like our sort of valorous kind of narrative It's like how dare they snipe them, you know, that's sort of yeah, yeah, yeah or being like thank god We got this guy free from the clutches of these terrorists. You'd expect something nothing the day after captain phillips is freed Nothing, I think it's because he was suddenly disappointed in the somali pirates He was like what you guys are gonna lose to the what is it? What are you even fighting against? Oh the america? Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah, you're gonna lose you got no real sorrows talk to speak of Nothing none of these trends are continuing at all. Everything is just

Every day is random. Mm-hmm. It's like it's a different show. There's no serialized aspect to it. I like it There's very little continuity in anything to the point where I was second guessing myself I'm like, did I mislabel these episodes? Yeah, is this from 2010 or something like that? Yeah Did I and I didn't I checked double checked because it's so incongruous But like I said, Alex had sunday off on the 12th and he comes in on the 13th and here's where he's at Oh, wait, here's a out of context drop first And I really have never been wrong. Cool. Okay. Hold on to that thought. All right. Anyway, here's where he starts the show And it feels like I had a month off very very relaxing to actually have two full days off. I didn't do any work

Saturday or sunday Well, that's not really true. I only did four or five hours of research Saturday night and sunday night, but I don't really call that work. So I am focused I have a ton of news I call it drinking to cover today very important broadcast just tons Of just amazingly important news and information Okay, so I there's No chance that any of that is real. I mean, he did take two days off That is 100 percent true four to five hours of studying on your day. Get the fuck out of here, Alex. Yeah, what are you?

Dan yeah So, um, what he comes in with his main narrative that he starts off the show with is bird flu Right, but It's confusing to me because the narrative hasn't developed at all It's the exact same sort of lies that we heard in the baxter pharmaceutical Uh narrative that we heard a little way is back So here's alex jumping back into that narrative and just I mean, listen, there's nothing new here

Then I've got another one here bird flu There's all these incredible admissions of just ultra massive People dying being injected with live bird flu shots bird flu in 18 countries mixed with the vaccines The vaccines being shipped out. They were actually being injected with live birds That's why the conspiracy theory gossip sites don't cover it. They don't discuss it. They don't touch it When it's in toronto star and roiders and their spiegel and bloomberg and right here on this radio show Forget that forget discussing that weaponized bird flu mixed with regular human flu The media won't investigate it no one discusses it it's it's admitted out in the open for the last month

Nobody wants to touch it because it's real. No, that's not why So we don't need to go into this because we already did a full breakdown of this this whole narrative But you can see here. He's just hitting those same points about that story all over again Um, and if you recall much of the information about this story was based on a post that was written by paul joseph watson on Info wars. Why not just keep throwing shit in there like oh, this is bird flu That's mixed with human regular few flu and their swine flu and They have hip dysplasia and all of that. Yeah, it's all in there. Why not? Yeah, why not? It's the same thing we talk about. It's it made a lot of time. You can lie on a lie. Why not?

Who gives a shit it's awesome in there? Um, so I was questioning like why is he bringing this back up? This doesn't make any sense from like a timeline standpoint It just doesn't it doesn't seem to be relevant and then he says this and I kind of figured out exactly why I mean, I've seen it a million times if I've seen it once People love to obsess on what can't be proven or what's nebulous and I guess it's like a who'd done it or something a mystery theater Uh on pbs brought to you by xon mobile or something. I don't I don't know Okay, but uh, you know, I certainly get all these emails saturday Night because I didn't do any research saturday. I spent all day with my children playing in the backyard and

playing in the sandbox and playing with cars on the floor and All sorts of evil things like that and I finally go in and open my email up and it's like you're covering up the bird flu Why aren't you covering this So he's responding in a defensive way about someone like people have emailed him Accusing him of covering up the bird flu. So that's why he's got to bring back up the narrative. So oh people are Are Saying that he's covering it up Like he's actively working for the opposition now to hide the bird or just not talking about it. Yeah

Yeah And so I think that we get a nice little window into how alex's brain operates Like he absolutely negotiates with trolls and uh and and terrorists of the message board variety Somali pirates if you will sure Uh in as much at least as like they'll say hey, you're doing this and then he'll be like no I'm not and then he'll go too far the other direction. Yeah. Yeah. So he's bringing back up all the bird flu stuff But it's interesting because alex can trace back where this criticism of him online is coming from And lo and behold, uh, it's another gcn talk show

Then I go to info wars.com read the comments. You're covering it up Spamming every, you know page And I'm like, okay, let me look at it. So I sit there And I listen to it And it's a caller to the genesis radio show And uh, you know, don't blame on the fine talk show host It was mark mary and I just wish that caller called me so I could challenge him In fact, uh, you're that lady from calling from new york

freaking out 1 800 25 9 9 2 3 1 we don't have open phones right now But if you want to call in because I got some questions for you. Anyways, this lady calls in What's your address she says she says Oh My gosh, there's this truck driver. He's spanish And he gets taken down on these silos and he gets given an injection He just told for the safety of his family and then it's all iced and it's taken and it's delivered

And it goes all over the place to homeland security and here's the addresses of the and the and the health department And they tell him here's your number and he goes to a back room at bank of america and they pay him in cash And it's all secret and you listen to it and I just know what's real and I know it's not and I know this is bull so Another genesis communications network show got a caller who has this extravagant other bird flu conspiracy theory and alex demonstrates pretty clearly that he's able To engage in critical thinking when he wants to it's odd. Yeah, that is a little bit of a tell but so he

Number of people who have listened to this other genesis show and heard this caller Believe that conspiracy theory and have accused alex of covering up this stuff So this leads to about a 40 minute chunk of alex's show where he's super defensive about that and how like I know This is bullshit because I know how everything operates, right? I know how this stuff works and no they're not gonna take him to the back room at a bank of america They're not gonna take him down at a silo. They just ship out the bad vaccines through fedex like man so When when this was written down, uh, uh, oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive

William shakespire He had no fucking clue about conspiracy theorists Man, he had no idea what shit was gonna go down. People are bitching at each other didn't know about message boards Oh, no, he had no clue. Yeah, I know no the web is far more tangled than One, uh, could imagine In the 1500s trying to find a word. I could mispronounce fun. Yeah. Yeah And I just didn't find one And that was disappointing what you couldn't miss. I imagine. Yeah

So the I I don't give a fuck about listening to alex playing that caller because he fairly accurately describes what she said In that book, uh, and then he just he doesn't really have much analysis other than this lady's nuts Yeah, and uh, she's wrong and I know the truth I know like my version of stuff is the right version And so it's just it's pointless for us to really talk about past that and there's bigger fish to fry on this episode You're lying bad. That's his argument. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're you're lying too far Yeah, the back room of bank of america and these uh, these uh, these disease silos or whatever It's a bridge too far lady. Also lady. Also lady

You know, you didn't mean from spain. No, you know, you didn't mean from spain You know when you said spanish, you didn't mean a spanish man. No, sir Um, so like I said, there's bigger fish to fry um And before we get to those big fish We need to know we need to know one thing And something I don't know. I don't know if we agree with this statement. I don't know if we Uh, have ever considered things this way, but alex is about to tell us why he's successful

You know, you know why I'm successful in reaching people on this radio show My hyperventilating isn't the reason I'm successful my freak out isn't the reason I'm successful No, it's because we at least cover what can be proven bullshit That Is a fucking statement. Yeah, it is. Wow. We only focus on what can be proven. That's that's unfair That's unfair to say that that that is rude. Yeah, it is That is a mean spirited thing to say

Especially so strident and forceful with it. Yeah, like you can't be that convinced of the thing you know You're not doing. Yeah, it is weird and especially where this episode's going to go Like he just reports on tons of stuff. He can't prove Yeah, uh, and they're kind of big things like we this episode is going to end up being like, uh, there's there's big way Points from alex jones' entire career. They're established on this episode. Um, and in this next clip He brings up one of them. He can't prove anything he's saying about this Last night I got home and saw a curtain posted an article Just minutes before

saying purported Homeland security documents says gun owners are terrorist So I just went and read the document in about 20 minutes. It's uh, I don't know 10 15 pages long And I was sure it was real because I'd seen the exact same font the exact same paragraphs In other reports going back over the years times new role. I knew that The font you know the nomenclature the font the way it was written the latest info the control numbers matched Other series of federal control numbers. I'd seen on documents

But I went ahead and tested the emails. I went ahead and called, uh, the fbi phone number I went ahead and called the Infrastructure protection fusion center numbers on it and talked to the watch captains What and confirmed that it was their document. They were very upset that I had it And we're asking me to tell them who gave it to me. Huh and I explained. No, this is uh been posted On the big libertarian sites They've just broken the last 12 hours And we learned of it with the classic tickets being sent to us saying, why are you covering this up?

Uh, because we weren't aware of it It's a little insulting. We're not I think people think I'm like Superman or something So two narratives on this show Both of them have been the result of people bullying him into covering these things Which isn't good. That doesn't seem like a good way to go about things. Um, so there's a dhs department of homeland security document That alex is reporting on and he's gone and he's checked in with all these these folks and he's proven that it's real Listen to this next clip and then I'll address that Uh, so I uh call the fbi. I call the other phone numbers confirmed. Yes, this is a federal report

Just like we called the myac office in Missouri and talked to him and they said, yeah, that's our report But we're not going to comment on it. Are you noticing anything that seems really strange about the way he's speaking? Um, I would say I don't understand what the infrastructure fusion thing was about That's just word salad that he's using. Yeah, I would like to know more about that department of the government Well, here's the thing alex keeps claiming that he called the fbi about this dhs document Which makes no sense the fbi exists within the department of justice Which is a separate government body from the department of homeland security Beyond the fact that the fbi and the dhs aren't the same thing

This document doesn't actually have phone numbers on it. There are contact emails listed But they're all dhs.gov email addresses not fbi email addresses The fbi doesn't factor into this at all The only place the fbi comes up is in a footnote that says that people should report potential terrorist activity to the dhs Or fbi and says that fbi phone numbers can be found on the fbi's website So alex is clearly just making shit up like he might have emailed those those number or those uh those addresses That's entirely possible. Um, but uh, he could not have called the fbi from this document or anything Actually just to correct myself a little bit. Uh, there are um

There are some numbers for the dhs in that footnote about uh, call them if there's potential terrorist activity and stuff like that So there are those phone numbers, right? But what the point the point was more that i'm making is that alex is saying he called the fbi right and that's absurd For a myriad number of reasons. Yes quite a few. Yeah I wonder if you could uh, like google hangouts with the dhs through those email addresses You get you know, they used to be able to video chat and google hangouts I bet that that's a form of calling maybe each one of those email addresses actually has its own in 2009 I don't know in 2009. Yeah, probably not. So you might be asking yourself. All right

alex is confirmed by calling the fbi that this dhs document is real whatever hey fbi You guys know this document is real. Yeah, sure alex go the fuck away But you're probably not clear at this point what uh, the document even is what is it about It says people when it comes to the second amendment the most frightening the most out of control Is this a secret For official use only department of homeland security document put out april 7th so put out last week and I have confirmed its authenticity And uh, it says the American gun owners are terrorist

Period period. So this is just off the charts Hardcore sure off the charts long pause hardcore. So gun owners are terror What what do you know alex jones editorial line is backed up by this secret document that's been released Yes, isn't that amazing every single thing he finds seems to be evidence that the government thinks all people with guns are terrorists It's strange. It either means that they do or he can't read Spoiler alert. It's the second one So we just heard that he knows how to read it turns out he is not a reliable source On that that's disappointing. Yeah, unfortunately. He can't read the book about how he can't read that I have written right

Um, so in this next and it's an audiobook. Yeah in this next clip He talks a little bit more about this report and how uh full of shit he is again ladies and gentlemen American gun owners buying guns buying ammo. You are a terrorist. You are the number one threat to the federal government police. That's what Document number one a dash o two five seven dash o nine six nine nine four four six four One i dash o two five seven dash o nine and you can call the fbi up right now and they'll tell you it's their document It's not their document. Why would you call the fbi? It's the dhs So look this document that alex is touting is yet another in a long line of mayak reports

Is called the right wing right wing extremism current economic and political climate fueling resurgence and radicalization and recruitment And it's not a classified document or anything like that It's definitely a real document and it's marked as for official use only Which is a designation that's applied to documents that the relevant departments of government have a reasonable expectation would cause harm to an Ongoing effort should the information be made public? You could think of it as something akin to like an interdepartmental equivalent of like attorney client privilege. Yeah, that sort of thing So this document is an either thinner soup than alex's take on the mayak report But it's a soup made of the same ingredients

In both cases alex is misreading a document that's meant to describe legitimately dangerous militia and extremist activities And because a lot of it is stuff he's pretty into a lot of those descriptions He gets defensive and screams about how the document is secretly about him It's not there's nothing in this document to suggest that the authors of this report saw gun owning americans as their main enemy Uh for fuck's sake on page seven of the report It literally says quote both right wing extremists and law abiding citizens share a belief that rise and crime rates Attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of legitimate firearms a wise move at this time That's a weird thing for people looking to demonize gun ownership to say

Legitimate firearms law abiding citizens That's not that's not what gun demonizers would say and and mysteriously that passage is absent from all reporting that alex jones has done Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, okay So The strongest statement the document makes about guns is this and I think it's a measured and reasonable statement Quote weapons rights and gun control legislation are likely to be hotly contested subjects of political debate in light of the 2008 supreme court decision In dc versus heller which in which the court reaffirmed an individual's right to keep and bear arms under the second amendment to the US constitution

But left open the debate the precise contours of that right Because debates over constitutional rights are intense and parties on all sides have deeply held sincere But vastly divergent beliefs violent extremists may attempt to co-opt the debate and use the controversy as a radicalization tool That is very correct not to editorialize on my own

But this report also could have been called I think a good name for it would have been there's a black president. These shits are going crazy Well, let's keep an eye on it. Everybody's buying guns because everybody's going crazy, but There's a piece of that in terms of the uh, like obama fueling this stuff in the report Absolutely, that is a piece of it And there's a lot of heavy overlap with alex's worldview and what this document describes as the ideology that motivates right-wing extremists But it's important to point out that this does not mean in any way that they're implying that alex or anyone who shares that worldview are terrorists or even extremists

I would put it to you this way I believe strongly in animal rights Which is a position that I share with groups like the animal liberation front If I were to read a dhs report about how extremists for animal rights believe that animals shouldn't be tested on I wouldn't think that applied to me just because I agree that animals shouldn't be tested on This is very elementary stuff and the idea that alex seems not to get it could be seen as proof that he's dumb as a rock But he's not It's very clear that he's intentionally misusing this report like he did with the mayak report to create the image of a repressive

Government that's going to turn on the noble white gun owning christians anytime now He's doing this because he needs to create an enemy and he needs to do that to help him recruit Which is ironically a large part of what this report is about radicalizing people Using the threat of the government taking away your guns as an avenue to radicalize people and recruit people to become violent extremists Well, not necessarily in the case of alex like recruiting them to be violent extremists, but recruiting them nonetheless Exactly the info warrior fold where maybe you're not violent, but you just give alex money So, I mean it is the same system like this is this is this report is About alex. Well, it's not about him because here's the deal

But that's okay. Go for it. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you The only way alex appears guilty of anything in this report is based on his response to it Sure, the document says that right wing extremists are using fears of illegal immigration to recruit and radicalize new members But it also goes on to specify that they're talking about things like how Quote in april 2007 six militia members were arrested for various weapons and explosive violations One, uh, open source reporting alleged that those arrested had discussed and conducted surveillance for a machine gun attack on hispanics Sure, the report says that fears about the election of the first african-american president were being used by extremists But it then says that it's talking about things like how quote in two instances in the run up to the election

Extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some threatening activity targeting the democratic nominee, but law enforcement interceded You can be a racist gun loving new world order fear in christian Identity and all you want and the department of homeland security is not going to give a fuck about you They start caring when you start committing and planning terrorist attacks And that's what this report is about and since alex isn't doing that He shouldn't take it personally the fact that he does take it so personally and seeks to create so much drama about this Kind of leaves me with a sense that he identifies with and supports the goals of terrorists that this report is actually about I am very glad I did not interrupt you because I was about to say that I feel like one of the big reasons that he's taking it

So personally is because he feels like they are talking about him and his ilk It kind of betrays as opposed to just a regular gun owning american Right, we keep going back to this like in terms of every time he has one of these new documents that proves all of his His bullshit about how the government's trying to uh, uh, you know stop anyone who has a right leaning opinion or whatever Every single time we just get more and more indications that It's about like it's about you alex and because of your response You're clearly indicating that you identify with These like it's very clear if you read the document, it's not about like a blowhard on a radio show

It's not about johnny come lately. Who's got a gun? They don't give a fuck It's about militia members of which alex but but you kind of act like you want to be one They don't even care about militia members. They care about militia members that plan violent attacks. It's clear It is very very clear The report is specifically about people who plan violence, right? And if you don't plan violence and you're not in some kind of you know violent group Then You know, you shouldn't be offended. Yeah. In fact, I think you have a greater

Impetus to support this report because you don't want those violent people cluttering up your movement fucking up your deal Exactly because if those people are involved in the same, so like if you legitimately believe all of the things that those militias believe But you don't want to believe armed rebellion against the united states Their existence kind of hurts you You would think yeah, you would think when was the what supreme court case? Was it where? they Used the second amendment to protect their right to plan violence That's just free speech dan. That was uh dc versus heller to

The sequel love that too fast too heller too fast too heller. Yeah um, so alex jumps off this topic for now, but I assure you he will get back to it but he gets distracted and In this next club he describes what the globalists want like the ideal The situation that they're working towards. Uh-huh. If you listen to this, I think um, I think you'll see some familiarities You understand what they're setting up here where they'll be highly controlled government and private corporate reservations that'll be high technology zones that'll be technological. They're already already are technological spheres

They're called city pedestals protected under the shroud of national security outside will be the highly controlled compact city slave grids and rich living in the Private manners And plantation type situations outside the mega cities and this is all stated by them Uh, you want the people keep saying oh alex

You know, they totally had a world government a new world order. This would have already happened and you would be on air That's right. They don't have it yet. They're very close to completing it. They're very close They're very close be afraid, but there's you know, they're not there yet It's that that that that balance that he always strikes. Also, what I would say is that like, okay If you're talking are you just trying to describe gated communities? Is that what he's doing? I think so I I don't think that what he's describing is anything different than the situation that's been going on for a bit now The rich living in cloistered. Yeah isolated. Yeah Nice manners. Yeah, uh, and then uh, everybody else in uh, struggling to survive

Yeah, I agree. It's really tough to hear that and not think that he's kind of talking about the real world But just there's such a like, uh Distorted and twisted lens. Yeah, like a crazy house mirror Funhouse mirror. Well, and we go back to the same thing where he's talking about something real That is a huge problem. And yet he is defending the people who have created that problem as being perfect capitalists Well, they're the middle class Compared to the globalists you Okay, fair enough. That's kind of how he looks. Yeah, that's true

So, uh in this next clip alex has seen a documentary On his two days off and it's this made me laugh so fucking hard. Is it the square? It wasn't Also, I saw this crazy documentary this weekend the king of america About the reverend moon. I mean, I knew that guy was whacked out, but this thing is just crazy alex has seen a documentary about reverend sun young moon and he is like that guy is crazy At no point does alex recognize that one of his biggest sources of information is the washington fucking times that is owned by the moonies So hilarious, that's ridiculous. Yeah, I was hoping he was referencing a documentary about the guy from san francisco

100 years ago who became a king. No, he's declared himself the king of america He's also not talking about the gentleman in uh, columbia, missouri when I was growing up. That's right. We talked about that guy Yeah, there's a dude who kept getting taken to the outskirts of town by the police and left there Because he wouldn't stop bothering people downtown wearing a burger king crown Declaring himself the king of columbia. He is the king of columbia though. Yeah, I recognize him as such Yeah, yeah, if we need to have a coup of look if we're gonna talk about sovereign nations It doesn't get more sovereign than a burger king king crown undoubtedly. Yeah, so I just think that's fucking hilarious that alex Can see that sun young moon is crazy

But can't recognize that he gets a lot of his information from his cult So We've been looking at the tea party stuff in the course of 2009 I completely forgot we were looking at tea party stuff. We got bogged down in somali pirates I forgot about the tea party entirely. Well, and honestly, I think that question's kind of been answered And actually I think that there's something to be said for we might be about done with the the main questions of 2009 Yeah, I still think that there's a lot of interesting stuff going on We see these like

Real formative blocks here like this dhs report is really important the mayac report is really important Swine or the bird flu narrative is really important to alex's like What he builds to from here, right? So I think there's value in seeing these things But like we set out to figure out when he started talking about george soros We found that april 8th 2009 episode And then I think it's gonna be a while till he gets back to it. I think that was a one-off I don't think that you think so. Yeah, I don't I from the episodes that I've listened to after it

I don't think like he was in a mood that day or something like that I don't know exactly what was going on But I feel kind of resolved about like when it started when it flared up and then secondarily the other question was You know, when did he get on board with the tea party? And I think based on the fact that we've seen these interviews with stewart roads the oath keepers guy The the I hate glenn beck stuff. I think we're starting to see exactly what happened there I don't think it's a mystery He decided that there's large groups of people who are close enough to his beliefs. Yep. Let's go fuck with them

Let's try it out. Yeah. Yeah, I think that those main questions are kind of answered I believe I do remember this Reading this new story on april 8th 2009 at around 8am George Soros did cut off alex in traffic and that is that makes all the sense totally. Yeah, I missed that story I don't read driving. He was driving his truck. Yeah so When I when I say that I think that uh, we kind of answered the question about the tea party

It also involves the clips that we're about to hear Because I think this kind of made my mind up. I think I figured I think I figured this is this is what's going on So he gets a call from a guy who is in san antonio And he he's uh, he's got some news about the san antonio tea party that's coming up Matthew in texas. You're on the air. Welcome Hey god bless you alex. This is uh, matthew from san antonio change reporting in on a a pre tea party update Okay Okay, um, what we got what we're doing with here is uh, san antonio tea party is basically saying

They don't want any bullhorns because they don't want alex jones here And they said, um, one of our guys is infiltrated their group and he's basically you can then tell for us And he said, yeah, they don't want any bullhorns because they're trouble makers. So anybody with a bullhorn is a trouble maker And um, we got another guy who is actually Sounds like they should be working for the red coats. I mean there's not need Ninnying there's no freedom. We'll just have your own Uh tea party, but no, that's why fox news and glen back

Uh are trying to take over the tea parties Fox news and glen back are trying to take over the tea parties alex jones is now Taking ownership in retrospect. Yeah of the tea parties. Yeah, that's what he's already doing here in april 2009 which also fox news and glen back created the tea parties. They're not trying to take them over The coke brothers paid for the tea parties. Right. They literally own the tea parties Well, and after this next clip I have another thing to say about that Look the wicked fleaeth when none pursue it

And so uh, yeah, you guys have folks inside the tea parties and uh, the you know, they don't want alex jones Notice how they're co-opting the ron paul in the fed movement Notice how they're trying to take over what we're doing. It's disgusting the republican fake republicans show up at our movement And then tell us we're not welcome. Don't you love it? You gotta love it So the the issue is that um You know The tea party was largely Astro turfed and and funded by the coke brothers through freedom works and that's who was paying

Glend back at shan hanity at that time or at least we're giving them tons of money um freedom works and americans for prosperity split They came from a split in the group citizens for a sound economy That group their first chairman was ron paul It was funded by the coke brothers. Yeah citizens for a sound economy had registered a tea party website um in 2002 They had already had some sort of plans of trying to do something like this Before but the climate wasn't right right there wasn't the ability to make these

These things stick and uh make it make it a real quote unquote movement You know, there there is no reason to believe that the the idea that ron paul is behind the real tea party And glenn beck and his coke funding through freedom works is behind the real that those aren't Contradictory, they're the same. Yeah, they're exactly the same This is the left and the right hand basically, but I don't think alex understands that absolutely not It's interesting to see because i'm interested to know if he understands. I think it is all pettiness. Yeah Well, that's that's kind of what I I would be interested in finding out if he actually knows that it is the coke brothers funding The entire thing or if he thinks it is an organic movement. I find I find this fascinating because

I mean what you what you've got is a movement that alex thinks is being taken over by glenn beck and the like Not recognizing that they're really behind it. Yeah alex wants to take ownership of it So he's predating his check. He's like, uh, he's back dating his check to make it look like he bought this before Yeah, yeah, when we've been going over this from the like the beginning What was it the the first tea party was on the 27th of february? And we've been going over it since then When that happened and in the immediate aftermath of it alex had no idea what it was You know who did back then the goddamn coke brothers knew what it was. Yeah, so

I don't know. I don't I don't know what this means other than like there's no mystery to me anymore Yeah, alex just believes he's the true version of it and always has and he's mad at glenn beck because he thinks he's co-opting it That's about it. It's not it. There's no there's no mystery left in the tea party I think my favorite part of those clips is when uh, the dude from san antonio just opens out with uh Uh, I'm here to give you an update on the san antonio tea party and he's like okay. Okay, like uh, dude I didn't ask for updates on Shit, right? Why are you giving me an update? I didn't get the first date let alone the I don't are you an old keeper? Yeah, exactly to step in exactly and I like to get the dude the caller is like we've infiltrated it. What do you mean?

Yeah, I know like what do you mean you infiltrated deep cover at the san antonio tea party It was it was hard to pull off because they were all black now It was tough to blend in with all the confederate flag t-shirts Yeah, I mean whatever who gives a shit. Yep So alex has a lot of complaints about glenn beck. He thinks that he's stealing his movement alex's goddamn movement Uh, but that's not his only complaint. He also thinks that glenn beck is gay Whoa, can you imagine glenn beck that ninny? I mean he's a ninny

He sits up there and ninnies and does all these effeminate gestures and I mean I feel like I'm Well, you know what I feel like I mean, it's just and nothing, you know against men that are effeminate It's just that you're about to say something against me. I mean he fits the effeminate scammer archetype for me. What? Which one is that? You know that that that classic archetype Ninny charm give a run into folks in business and life And then once you get enough live experience you learn people with a fake ninny charm That these are people to watch these are people that will stab me in the back in five seconds And um

He is off the charts with the fake and any charm. You got to define ninny man You really got to stop saying fake ninny charm either like it means something. What does that even mean? I just think ninny charm. I think that alex thinks that he's not Sincere that's part of it. Okay, and then the other part is he's threatened by his effeminiteness because it's not masculine enough for him And he labels that as being gay. That's yeah, when you when you when you say ninny that many times that many times that many times You you know, you know what you're trying to say, but you don't want to say exactly and so in this next clip alex He makes clear that if you are going to the tea party and you support glenn beck You're a fake ninny. No, it's the equivalent of getting your balls chopped off. Okay

You know, i'm tempted now to saddle up and go down there myself Um, because uh, you know, this is in texas Or where texas ancestors fought and died against tyranny and they're gonna be sliding around in front of the alamo Telling people what they can and can't say they were invading colonel william travis what he couldn't couldn't say He'd say shut up tyrant I mean, you know, this this is this is where they castrate people So if you're part of this event on glenn beck side, you're just there to have your testicles chopped up I think I know what william travis would have said

That's probably a big part of his quote. He was a big old drunk Second thing he would say is don't tell my wife where I am right left her with our two Our newborn second child right because I was wanted by the police and didn't want to go to prison Ended up running a militia at the alamo. That was a huge asshole Yeah, yeah, yeah part of his quote. Yeah He was also the man to invent brown backing. That's true. Yep a little known fact So if you support glenn beck who is a ninny and you go to this event You're gonna get your balls chopped off or it's a spiritual equivalent of getting your balls chopped off whatever that whatever that is

Whoa, so many masculinity issues here. Yeah, not news Um, so this is the last clip about the tea party and I just think like I'm putting this to bed In terms of the questions. I'm interested in I think I think it is just a matter of Thinking glenn beck stole his shit and wanting it back and then being the more extreme version of it by virtue of association More with the oath keepers than the tea party 912 middle of the road stuff Um, and you can hear it here Put that uh, san Antonio tea party website back up. They've been going to these meetings

You know, it's ron paul grips that started the tea parties. It's uh, gary franchi and others that started the end of fed protest uh You know, it's our movement against the private bankers that are looting and raping us Which is very popular right now. The people know it's the truth. We're the good guys. The good guys They're the bad guys So that's it. That's it. It's uh, I mean, I think it was on uh, one of our recent episodes You're like it's going to be such a bummer if the answer to this is team sports It wasn't about uh, the tea party, but turns out in terms of the tea party

It's bad sports. Yeah It was the uh, or is the oath keepers Bullshit was that organic or were they also funneled money? I'm sure they got some funding, but I don't I don't know enough I can't speak on that. Yeah, I don't know. I that's something worth looking into But there's an outside chance that uh, stewart roads was just a pretty radical dude Right and started this thing that ended up catching momentum through being on alexa's show as the Alternative the more militant alternative to the tea party and that also being accepted by the normal tea party So I think there's a possibility that he served as like a middle ground

And that led to a ton of like a swelling of of membership roles and then along with that financing I have no idea. I don't I don't know entirely, but I wouldn't I wouldn't bet it was entirely organic Yeah, that's probably true, but it's beginning. It seems yeah It seems far more organic in beginning than the tea party. Absolutely. Like it was it does seem like the tea party was Fully financed. Well, the party didn't start with tea party dot blog spot dot right, right, right, right, right You know like that that sort of thing is a kind of an indication of like this guy didn't want to buy a domain name right which You know the only reason you wouldn't do that is if you couldn't Yeah, or you just didn't want to you know, you didn't have the cash to throw into it

Yeah, so um at this point alex jumps back to the uh, dhs report But before he does actually he has Naomi wolf on for an interview. Just strange considering she's a democratic strategist and advisor Um, I expected that to be like a pretty contentious. Yeah, that's what I expected Yeah, yeah, but alex's phone system keeps not working And so She's like in the middle of a sentence and the phone just drops out and alex is like

guys Guys What's going on her phone cut out? And so they get her back on the phone and then she's like hey alex I can't hear you at all and you can just hear her saying that it's like i'm really sorry I can't hear you there and so clearly something's wrong with alex's phones It just doesn't work and so the interview ends with nothing happening They didn't did they even have like a how much talking did they actually do alex talked for a bit

She talked for like a minute. Maybe and that was it. Yeah, it was more Friendly than you'd expect possibly and a little bit of that is because a lot of the positions She was bringing to the table were stuff that were critical of obama in terms of not At this point in uh in april 2009 You know, you'd been in office a month or two and she had some of the similar complaints that alex did but more grounded In terms of him not getting rid of spying. Yeah, that sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so she's she's coming from The center left position, I guess Uh making those criticisms

I think it could have been an interesting conversation. I'm actually kind of disappointed it didn't happen Because it would be interesting to see how that dynamic played out. Yeah, but we could just get a fucking broken phone Yeah, that is that is kind of a Well, it's it's one of the it's like a similar conversation to what I would have with uh, I would imagine my family and that they're like I'm criticizing obama for fake things and I'm like, we're not fighting I'm just criticizing him for real things The our disagreement comes not from whether or not he is deserving of criticism But that your criticism is insane or even I don't know if your family would be on this side

But I think of a sharper point to it of what this would be. I think is Making the same criticisms But one side is making it as a legitimate criticism and then the other side is exploiting and using That basis of a legitimate criticism to extrapolate into irresponsible ludicrous Right places, right. That's a kind of I kind of think that's what the dynamic would be and I think it's really interesting because of the Superficial agreement that they would have probably had to see if she would have been able to pierce through like oh, alex No, no, no, no, hold on. Yeah, I'm not sure because the fucking phone broke So I got nothing out of this because the reality of a conversation with my family would be they're arguing

Ridiculous shit in good faith because they believe it because they're the recipients of the bad faith Criticisms that they are yeah bingo. That makes more sense. Yeah, it's the difference between Arguing ludicrous things in good faith versus arguing decent things in bad faith. Exactly. Um, I don't know. Anyway, we will never know Maybe until she comes back a week from now. I don't know. Maybe she will. Maybe she will but alex gets back to this dhs document and It's interesting to hear him try and discuss this because he's just lying about everything like legitimately Even lying about what's in the text His first

Voli is about racism This is section you key findings the economic downturn in the election of the first african-american president Present unique drivers for right-wing radicalization and recruitment so they imply everybody's racist They're not implying everybody's racist. That's not what that sentence means at all. Nope. Also. I mean, that's just you That's on its face. You can understand that At the beginning of that clip. He said this is in section you Every paragraph starts with you dash dash, uh, f o u o That's the designation of it f o u o means for official use only you means

Unclassified The fact that he's saying this is in section you it doesn't understand that the you before the paragraph means Unclassified and doesn't realize that all the paragraphs start with you It leads me to believe that he doesn't have as much experience reading documents as he claims to the fact that he says I can read this I can I can I can look I spend all my time the last 20 years reading these secret official documents And i'm so good at it that I understand what they're saying when it's not literally what they're saying Right, I can read between the lines. You don't even know what the you means man. This is pathetic Yeah, that's not good. No that's when I heard that I was like, oh

Oh, alex section you Technically he is right Because they are all section you right, but he's trying to say this is the part of the document It's yeah, that doesn't help you with that at all. No crazy crazy and I don't have experience reading Like secret government documents I don't I can't trust you I just was like if you did have experience reading secret government documents You wouldn't you wouldn't be able to tell me I I believe that you do have experience reading secret government documents

I believe this is an entirely controlled opposition Situation you are funded fully by the government. This is all a wish. This is all a weak facade Recording out in your apartment right that you could walk out of here and go into your fully furnished Uh, uh mansion, which is how the government works. I guess I don't actually live here That's why you see this bag of chips sitting on my desk clearly from eating chips earlier You have a calendar on your wall that says february 2017. What else could that mean? But that you're a secret government operative you haven't lived real for two years could mean that wall calendars are ineffective That's a possibility

Could mean in february 2017. I had aspirations of organization and they have since lapsed Um, look dude, that's big to me That's big because it is an indication of him not having the bona fides that he pretends to have Yeah, because up to this point I would have been willing to believe that he'd read a bunch of like unclassified Declassified documents and stuff like that Like I I bet he didn't understand what he was reading or he was just making up stuff about them as he read them Right something like that. But the fact that he reads this document and he's like in section you like that's beyond the pale to me

That's where anybody who's listening who actually does understand any of this stuff should also be like, oh, no Alex, you just gave it up. You just you just indicated that you don't know what you're talking about So that makes it hard for me to believe that governments listen It also makes it hard me it makes it hard for me to believe that anybody who is in the military or anything like that or in intelligence Anybody who is in those fields and isn't motivated to support alex based on his bigotry Yeah, I don't understand like they can't think he's a credible source in terms of like facts information analysis but

There are government documents with section us Sections you if you will so I would invite you to read this document every single paragraph I'm not saying no, I'm not saying this document in particular But if you had not read this document in particular, you would be fine with him saying section you no, I wouldn't Oh, okay. I wouldn't fine. Is that because you have a lot of experience reading secret government documents I've just caught you. I just trapped you. I've experienced reading this one. Uh No, it doesn't work. It wouldn't work. I understand what you're saying and it's a nice way to try and let him off the hook It's inexcusable. I'm not letting him off the hook

I'm letting his listeners who haven't read this particular document before I think it's just an indication that anyone who believes that he knows what he's talking about They don't know what he's talking about or Uh, uh, what they what they they don't know what they think he's talking about. Yeah, that I agree with Yeah, so in this next clip, uh, alex talks about the idea of recruitment and he misuses the dhs document again uh, it says uh Right wing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first american president and are focusing the efforts on To recruit new members mobilize existing supporters. Well, yeah, you're supposed to do that in america and mobilize against tyranny

And broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda But they have not yet turned to their attack plan Then they go into listing mainline gun groups. We haven't yet turned to the attack plan real quick Uh, it doesn't list mainline gun groups. It doesn't list groups at all. Alex is just making that up That's not in the document. It doesn't list any mainline No, no, no, it doesn't it list any especially not after that paragraph any gun groups or anything I don't know what you would call like I don't think by name I don't remember anything by name in the group

But it talks about like these people this group of six people Like we I read earlier that this group of six people bought a bunch of weapons to machine gun down hispanic people Like that group is listed. That's a group of people Right. It would concern me if Alex considered that a mainline gun group. It's entire I mean it But based on the fact that he's saying that and hasn't read the document Because he hasn't read the document it sort of leads you to believe that that's the point he's making Yeah, which is fucking shitty and then secondarily

This is a document about violent extremists Not middle of the road people who like guns and are conservatives That is not what this is interested in at all The fact that alex jones is responding to this like saying these violent groups are using The first african-american president existing as a source of radicalization and recruitment and he says That's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to recruit right right in america like, uh, alex You're supposed to mobilize is also what he said. Yeah, which is which is like tyranny I also it's a little bit disappointing

The dhs doesn't actually do the research into the tea party and these movements entirely like These propagandists are using a black president yet at this point, right? That's fair But when they say like these propagandists are using a black president to recruit and and do all that stuff You you to almost hope they were like And these propagandists are paid by the coke brothers, you know, like the coke brothers are the Reason that these propagandists do all this shit like if the dhs But then again, you're right. Absolutely. None of the law enforcement groups are at all willing to point to So much of this being the result of those two fucking billionaires and other people too. It's not yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no

No, it's it's a whole turn into a unipolar thing. There's a bunch of conservatives like just no it's a dark Well, I mean I the the mercers of course like there's an entire drug money network. Yeah. Oh fuck shield I mean, there's a there's a bunch of people and foundations and yeah and shit like that. Well the fucking rickets the Sure, fuck bags who own the cubs There's a ton of that stuff and it becomes shorthand to say Uh, the the coke brothers sort of right and I think that's kind of wrong of us But at the same time they were the primary funders of citizens for a sound economy that split into freedom works and uh,

Americans for prosperity, which were the biggest funders of people like glandbeck. Yeah, uh and help foster this movement It's not to say that they were the only uh, super rich Right-wing people behind it with the amount of dark money that they filter through all of these different nonprofits, which again Wow, we should really be I don't I don't know laws. Can we have laws be nice? So so alex is lying there about the the mainline gun groups He's advocating for the thing that this group is what this report is warning about. Yeah

Possibly because he hasn't read it or possibly because he Underlyingly does identify with and support these violent groups. I'm not entirely sure Um, but then he lies some more The high volume of purchases and this is the key the high volume of purchases of stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists In anticipation of restrictions and bans and some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern the law enforcement So their primary concern is the fact that you're buying guns and ammo and they say later that everybody buying guns and ammo is basically a terrorist Their primary concern law enforcement is you're buying guns and ammo that is not at all what the report says It says the violent right-wing extremists

Are stockpiling guns that part is absolutely true and it says it is a primary concern Not the primary concern And I would not like to live in a world where it wasn't a primary concern right the idea that people who do have really paranoid Violently anti-government beliefs their stockpiling weapons guys. Hey look over there Um, I think that that's an important thing for People to know about especially the people who are trying to keep other people safe Did anybody send them a copy of hydro guns? Oh

That seems that should have broken into a live read that should be name-checked. Yeah in that document Um, and then at no point does it say that gun owners are terrorists at no point does it say that buying a gun Is bad or suspicious? I read that uh sentence or that paragraph where they're talking about how law abiding citizens Owning legitimate guns. Yeah that sort of thing. It's very clearly not anti gun in this report. Alex is just completely lying Um, so then he lost some more They say anti-government ideology is racist Nothing to do with it. They don't say that at all. That is not in there No, but it does sound like Alex is responding to the fact that say they say that uh

The black president thing is used as a propaganda tool for people to recruit as them Specifically pointing out that he is afraid of a black president and is using him to recruit and so he has to be like No, they're calling me a racist. They're definitely not calling me an opportunist. Right, right I mean, that's that's what that's what goes back to my And also I am a racist so there's that that so goes back to my fur like my primary conviction And that is that the only thing that is damning about this is alex's response to it The only way in which this report is about him is how he is behaving in response to it He makes it about him by his response. Right. It wouldn't be it would just if you if you saw this report and you're like, huh

Yep Move along. Yep. That that's the appropriate response or be like, hey guys There are people within our communities that are giving us a bad name That we need to be on the lookout for it not saying be a snitch or anything like that But hey, we need to do better within our communities. Whatever any of that stuff That would be a fitting response defending deflecting Lying he's lying about this report in order to suit his the government is your enemy rhetoric

That behavior is suspicious It's pretty suspicious. Yeah I would also probably put it under the uh under the category of like A protecting his buddies, you know, yeah, like that kind of thing I considered that as well of of like, hey Why are they talking about steve? He's a good buddy of mine. You know, I think that there there could be an element of that Uh, whether it's a specific person or just spiritually, right and then on the other hand I think there's a piece of it that's also covering his own ass. I think there's a self-defense aspect of it

where he's like Like trying to make sure that He's never seen as advocating violence or something like that. Yeah. I'm not I'm not sure He's he's we are still fresh off the pittsburgh thing. So that's true. Yeah, and the pittsburgh thing is referenced in the report Okay, the but he alex doesn't bring that up on the show Though it is mentioned in an article that I read on info wars.com. They talk about how this incident is in this report and People have tied alex to this report ergo, right? This report is about alex

But the report doesn't mention alex. It doesn't mention any of that stuff. It's That's something that you have to bring to the report. You have to you have to write that in with your reading right any Like the thing about the the problem with Doing this serialized over You know, we do a 2009 episode once a week like that kind of thing It's easy to forget the context within which he is reacting so pedily to these like emails, you know When he's reading that email and and reacting so

Fucking What like You mean this? The fatically no no the email, you know, or the the people saying that he's not talking about her Like this is all in the same context of him feeling super defensive about the pittsburgh thing and people tying him to that So I I don't find it hard to imagine that he's on that red alert Like I got to be making sure that people don't think that I'm attached to Whatever it is, whatever it is that you're thinking I'm attached to I need to make sure that I'm taking them down

Yeah, you know and controlling my own narrative. I think I think there's I think that's a piece of it But probably a small piece of it. I think it's more the bulk of it is He knows that this is going to be a really effective way to demonize the government And make it look like they are coming for you and specifically coming for your guns Which works out to reinforce and bolster the other narratives that he puts out I think that's mostly what it is and I base some of that on this next clip It goes on to say historical presidential election Social programs to non minorities and firearms restrictions being the policies of barack obama is also they're saying we're coming after your guns and

The terrorists don't want that the terrorists are buying guns and ammo It goes on to say um Do you see that there the way he he twisted that? Yeah, that's that's indicative of I'm going to use this however I can Yep, and specifically what he wants the idea to be which is not most of the report What he wants it to be is the idea that this is proof that they're coming for your guns Which it doesn't say in there at all right It's that clip is like it does not matter what the report had said Period doesn't matter the context because he hasn't read it. He thinks you as a paragraph

It doesn't matter it doesn't matter the report could have just mentioned ron paul as being like we found a guy who said ron paul's name and he would have Spun that it could have been about fucking We don't want to sell knives and he would have been like this see this is the first step in them coming for your guns At ron paul again They think that it's ron paul and everybody who's a ron paul fan is going to buy knives and then buy guns and Outlaw knives tomorrow. It's guns. Yeah, exactly. Sure. Yeah, it doesn't matter what the report says. Nope. It doesn't

He's just going to use it as a prop So here's the sad part This dhs report was written by a guy named daryl johnson who had previously spent 15 years studying domestic terrorism He compiled data created new databases to track correlations and studied specific anti-semitic neo nazi and white supremacist groups for years God, I hear a hammer drop coming in 2009 He authored this report and because of the backlash Caused by people like alex jones the dhs caved and ended up repudiating the report In april 2010 the dhs dissolved johnson's team at which point he entered the security consultancy business

Unsurprisingly as the threat of right-wing extremism has grown from 2012 onward Johnson has constantly been a voice interviewed by places like wired magazine to the washington post about how he tried to warn people But the bureaucracy didn't listen They were too focused on islamic terrorism and too willing to bow down to coordinated right-wing media pressure to do their job Not much else is there to say about this other than the exact behavior demonstrated by alex in this episode Is directly traceable to weakening the government's ability to deal with violent extremists because his feelings got hurt That is all that's uh, that's being manifested here And if you read interviews with daryl johnson, you can you can find a number of them

He talks about how like back then there were so many more people Studying and tracking islamic terrorism and he had a small team that was working on the non islamic domestic side of things and then after this Conflagration, you know of this report that he put out The backlash that came from it you get to april 2010 his team gets dissolved and now there's just one guy Who's working for the dhs on that? Entire world. Yeah of the non islamic right-wing and maybe since that interview It's gone up a little bit, but i would be surprised if it has

um Well considering the fact that we've had an increase in domestic terrorist by uh or domestic terrorism and hate crimes and all that Ship since 2016 it would be hard to imagine that they Recently increased or they increased the size of the team in time. Yeah, maybe they did a week ago But the people who run the dhs are the ones who are now kind of halfway promoting it Yeah, so and he talks about how like all of these tools and uh And things that he had come up with within the dhs for tracking and understanding this sort of stuff It's all been decimated. Yeah, we're all lit on fire

Yeah, basically all of these things that he had worked uh throughout his career to put into place have been just completely like the printer in office space Yep, uh completely ineffective now Um and actually it's interesting his interviews are are super interesting because one of them was uh in 2012 um, he was talking about a particular Sort of right-wing shooting spree. It was just a lone wolf Shooter and that sort of stuff and he's like well, you know the the stuff I told everyone that this is important and we need to pay attention to it

But even if nothing had changed, I don't think we could have done anything about this guy Yeah, and when I hear something like that from someone who studies this I just hear Expert, you know, I hear a sincere voice right because someone who's trying to run a con or someone who has uh bad faith positions If they're being interviewed after the fact about how right they were and were shut down because they were right They would lionize everything. They wouldn't have absolutely. They wouldn't have a response It was like well even in a perfect situation if nothing happened to me This guy probably would have slipped through the cracks because there's no way to track him. He's not attached to any

Uh x y or z group that we're following or anything like that. That's humility. That's humble um If it were if it were alex in that situation giving an interview about how right he was in the past He would have said if they had implemented what I told him to this guy would never have happened Was it wouldn't matter if that was anywhere near true? But just by and and that's not that's not just alex. No, that's lots of people It's very it doesn't matter and it's it's it's also people who are Experts on fucking everything who would try and do that. Well, because it's very tempting to uh sort of over promise

In a hypothetical past, you know, like you have like if this had happened like some sort of counterfactual Uh track through time, right, uh, you know, yeah, of course you could say if that had happened I would I would have destroyed this I would have been right, you know, exactly Yeah, but this guy resists that impulse because he knows what he's talking about and uh Yeah, I think daryl johnson's real sad. Uh, I mean not a sad person but like the picture of it is real sad And uh, it's real fucked up to think about how much that really did end up causing Uh crippling of tracking right wing extremists and white nationalists white supremacists neo-nazis and that sort of thing and the fact that alex jones really was

a part of the backlash that led to that What he's doing is facilitating all of this right wing terrorism that we that we've seen in in the last years Yeah, it's really it's really weird. It's hard to say if there's intention behind it, but I don't really care I think something that is kind of fascinating about that is that obama it was At a disadvantage while trying to While trying to kind of tackle this stuff He would appear so much worse than if it was a white president saying we need to follow up on these people It would have certainly got way more backlash. Oh look, see it's a black president who's going after people like that

Kill whitey. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He's he's more at a disadvantage in trying to tackle right wing white nationalist terrorism Because he's black. Yeah in the court of public opinion and especially in the court of uh propaganda right wing propaganda Absolutely disaster So that's all obama, uh, but uh here in this next clip alex gets back to talking about glenn beck because a caller brought him up Great and alex has an imagined conversation between the powers that be and glenn beck when he betrays The patriots for 30 pieces of silver Sir, sir, hold on. Hold on. Hold on sir. Sir. I mean you brought up glenn beck You know what? I'm gonna be I'm gonna write a note about beck since you brought him up

Because every time a listener reminds me of something I remember that I'm not even attacking him with one tenth of the truth Uh, but you're absolutely right about beck. I remember him saying secret service was protecting him He hates no one like 9 11 truthers. He hates the victims families. He hates the patriot movement. He hates militias He hates gun owners And then the feds came to him and said look you really want to burn these people We love you. We you hate america. We we love you beck literally This is you co-op them so we can destroy him and beck said Absolutely. Sorry go ahead

Absolutely The these people came up and they're like, hey, you really hate these people you gotta come with us. We love you that literally happened Yeah, that literally happened. I was hoping that he would get another update on the san antonio t party I was right. I was I was really hoping that that guy would call like five times in a row Just like hey, just wanted to give you another update the tea party is about an hour in hey, alex We're still embedded over here. Yep Like a weather correspondent. We're resisting getting our balls cut off. Uh, it's going uh, it's going well so far Back in a bit

So, um, here is alex, uh, just sort of reinforcing my position that I think he just realized that he could exploit the tea party Uh, uh, when uh, he realizes in this next clip that it's a perfect way for him to get his documentary the obama deception out into the world Great, but the caller mentioned how he's getting the obama deception out to people All over the country at tea parties coming up later this week And at in the fed rallies, but not just there At other events people are making copies of the obama deception This film is about the bankers. This film is about who the criminals are a this film is about the financial Alex might stare this film covers it all

And this film needs to be seen by everyone So just having the dvd or buying the dvd at info wars.com. That's great That supports the radio show and future filmmaking But what really is effective is airing it on access tv. He's very easy to do Making copies of it giving it to people future filmmaking Future filmmaking future filmmaking filmmaking. Um, so yeah, I mean, I just think you see there him being like that's sort of an ad Just sort of junk But it is at the same time just being like

You can get a lot of copies and go out and give it to people at tea parties. That's great Because it's perfect. They're the dumb people. They're the they're literally the ones that we're recruiting Using anti-opama fucking propaganda and they much like the dhs report said Right and they'll be all congregated in uh in in person and in physical reality And you can go and give them copies of these dvds peer pressure. You can do the whole thing wake them up So uh in his next clip, I thought this dhs report was going to be it in terms of like Alex bringing specifics into his narratives But a caller calls in and he's contesting sort of they not aggressively

But he just doesn't know what alex's narrative about the mass graves are mass graves are a piece of alex's narratives about uh the fema camps Is he he's like there's all these plastic coffins that the government's buying They're gonna kill off all the patriots and then bury them in shallow graves. Of course, of course And all these fema camps just you go in pull it to the head Gotta that sort of thing and so this caller asks Where's that mass grave stuff? Coming from more or less is his question and alex seems

Pissed off to have to answer this question. Uh, and then he does a really bad job And then I presented you with mainstream news about the mass graves and incinerators Did you hear me go over that? Um, unfortunately, I did not okay. Well, we've written articles about it and posted it. In fact, let me just Let me just show you again I just had it earlier. I can't actually show this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over But um, here it is. I thought I thought that we're bringing it up again. Stop. Stop. No. No, just let me get it for you Okay, here it is. I'ma show it to you again. Okay

Mass grave folder right here This will be the fifth time. I don't mind doing this. People can't always listen. It's got a folder. Is it benelli mountain news State prepares for bio terrorism february 8 2003 the state of color rata Sees antibodies cremate disease-ridden corpses and under extreme circumstances to take mass graves under executive orders drafted For the use of the event of bio terrorism attack Then it goes into the governor's measures the mass grave sites the incinerators

Uh, and how they're getting ready for that Uh point of order the article doesn't go into the sites. It doesn't go into the governor's orders All that stuff is alex making shit up. So this is some really lame shit Um, this episode is from april 2009 and the evidence that alex has that the government is planning a mass casualty event Is that there was an article in the rocky mountain times from six years prior If that's his evidence then this article better literally be about the government agents admitting that they're planning a mass casualty event For that these graves are for you think that that's what this article is about I think it would be a very small folder if this is what he's got

It was not uh, that's not what the story's about at all. This one was really hard to find the actual article of It's referenced repeatedly in info wars articles always citing the same quote that alex just read there That's all that is ever in any info wars article, but they never provide a link I found that I took that link and I uh the uh the quote and I searched for it and went through a bunch of nonsense websites And ultimately I traced down an arizona weirdo who had a blog who actually links to the real article I could take that link put it into the internet archive and find the article If you do read this article, there's a few things that jump out to you immediately That make it clear why alex doesn't link to the whole article or want anybody reading it

The first thing is that this has nothing to do with the federal government It's all about the governor of colorado having a series of eight draft executive orders Regarding emergency preparedness alex certainly isn't against the idea of having a plan in place and think in case things go bad I mean he sells survival food His problem is that he thinks that the federal government and fema are evil and thinks that states rights are paramount Nothing in this story should offend that sensibility fema isn't involved. It's all about the state government one of the orders

Uh specifically talks about state health care workers being allowed to commandeer drugs from pharmacies in the case of an emergency And lays out the rationale that the federal government, uh, they will be the ones to provide those drugs But in an emergency people on the ground can't wait for any possible delays These pharmacies would be compensated, of course, right that makes sense Three of the remaining seven orders had to do with suspending licensing regulations So emergency workers could prescribe medications in a crisis something that would be that wouldn't be allowed in normal conditions alex hates regulations and thinks that his chiropractor friend doctor group should be able to prescribe meds So I don't see what his problem here is either

One of the remaining four orders, uh makes it so in an emergency Emergency rooms would be able to turn away patients something that is against the law in colorado under normal conditions The reasoning is that in a biological attack or something like that Emergency medical stations would be set up Patients would be processed and sent to the appropriate hospital to avoid making the situation worse Again, I feel like alex as a libertarian should be totally cool with the idea of hospitals being able to turn people away Since they shouldn't be forced into helping anybody right that is right in line with libertarian principles I don't know what his problem is

One of the last three orders makes it so mental health patients could be kicked out of their beds In hospitals to make room for biochemical attack victims. This seems shitty, but in a legitimate emergency I kind of understand the reasoning. I would hope they wouldn't just throw mental health patients into the streets But who knows it doesn't specify what the process would be right or anything like that I believe it would be a cart horse drawn carts is that they would just toss them in there I mean in a legitimate emergency someone who Deserves care for mental health conditions I understand why you would

De-prioritize that to people who possibly are suffering from Biological attack I'll tell you one reason to get them out of there because everybody else in the hospital has been fucking hit by a biological attack That's another reason to be around there. That's a really good angle on it So the last two of the orders are about easing by burial and funeral regulations to accommodate the possibility that there would be tons of bodies that needed to be handled in the Short period of time and some of the red tape could get in the way Things like the family of the person

By law they have to Sign off on how they're buried and stuff like that right and a lot of that stuff could be Time that you don't have yeah in an emergency That's the difficulty of figuring out the the people's immediate family You might end up spreading something and and yeah, it's it's so so often. It's like look Unfortunately, we're gonna have to burn these bodies because yeah, they're dead But we're gonna have to burn them on account of germs are still there man It's horrible to think about but yeah situation that they're talking about is like

Real fucking serious. Yeah, so you you you put your brain into like Ebola outbreak airborne Ebola outbreak in America or something like that And it's it really sucks to think about like well you're taking control of the burial process away from the family or whatever, but It's an existential crisis. It's it's very much like look I get it in the During the black plague. It's like No, we there are family members We still need to give them a religious burial and you're like no you got to burn that shit because everybody you know is Going to die. That's exactly the point I was going to get to is that like we learned that lesson about the idea of

Like dead bodies that could be infected are a public health crisis, right? We learned that A few years back they just a couple years back That one in the bubonic fucking plague we learned that Of a thousand years ago whenever people were catapulting dead bodies into cities in order to spread a fucking disease right exactly and so You know it sucks, but even here's a quote quote I don't want to come across as saying the state's going to make this decision to do mass cremations and ruin the lives of families That's certainly not the intent mark s stock by a bioterrorism program coordinator for the state health department said

But it referencing the executive order just gives us maximum flexibility So he's even saying like I I don't like this I don't I really really really hope that we even in a biological crisis We don't have to do any of this shit. Right. That's my hope. This is the Like as as this is only if it gets the most worst You know, so now here's the thing these executive orders have never been used And if you look on colorado.gov you can find the list of governor bill owens executive orders It doesn't even look like these were ever signed. I don't know for sure. Wait, what?

I don't know for sure But from what I can tell this was a series of executive orders that were written up as drafts And governor owens didn't sign them I could be wrong But I can't find any evidence that there were anything more than these drafts And the article alex is referencing even says quote owens hasn't signed any of the draft executive orders yet And there's a good chance they'll never be needed So this is not even just like we've signed this into

A into law now This is Should this happen? We will sign this we have these executive orders ready exactly folder much like alex's mass grave All right, all right That way that way we don't have to wait another week in order to draft something during the crisis I think it's possible or it could be just that they I don't know. I don't know exactly what happened, but I went through his like the next year or two of bill owens

Governorship looked at all of the executive orders Most of them are just hey Here's the new guy who's the secretary of x right right right and then declared a lot of emergencies About like floods and fires right right right, but I didn't find I didn't find anything that indicated that he signed these There was the weird one where he signed Into one of his executive orders was that dubstep was the new national That was a weird thing. That was a weird one in 2004 I know it's crazy. It might seem a little broad for colorado to prep these executive orders

It seems pretty extreme Maybe the the the sort of the things that they they're talking about like we're saying it's in extreme emergencies But you also need to keep in mind that this was written after the anthrax scares in late 2001 And right in the period where you the u.s. Was gearing up for war in iraq Yeah, I don't think it's too insane for a person who's responsible for the safety of the citizens of an entire state To consider what the best way to address a possible emergency would be ahead of time And that's really all this is especially since they're talking about a biological attack Which would of course be more associated, you know, iraq isn't going to put troops on the ground in the states

That's not going to happen But they can slip a terrorist in who's going to release a biological weapon That's their warfare. We have the gift of hindsight on this and we can laugh about like Isn't it isn't it crazy? They thought a dirty bomb was coming. Yeah. Yeah, but Everybody thought a fucking dirty bomb was coming whether everybody did or not I'm sure there were some people some aloof commentators who were like you guys are over exaggerate You know, you're being hysterical that sort of thing But I I don't think that that attitude is correct for someone who has the responsibility for

An entire state's population like the governor does, you know, like It is on them in many ways to help protect the safety Of the people from things that people shouldn't have to worry about on a day to day basis You would hope not So I I I get while I still think that a lot of the threats were exaggerated In a propagandist, uh, kind of way. No In the lead up to the war in iraq. What I still think that these sorts of things are like This idea of preparation that's being expressed through these executive orders

And this rocky mountain times article that alex is referencing I don't I don't see anything wrong with it. I only see alex lying about it. Yep. That's it. Yep No disagreements here So he then goes on to talk about another piece of evidence. He has about mass graves and it's not good either Now here I go through these all day, but but here's New York department of state division of cemeteries. You can read this document and call the phone numbers. It's real Out of the article written by erin dykes plans for mass graves confirmed Government surveying cemetery readiness for flu outbreak

So that they're preparing for millions all over the country tens of thousands per cemetery And you can call the phone numbers and call the state. They admit this is real. Okay So so see we're covering What's real and admitted but no one will talk about it. No one will put up a youtube video. No one will discuss it No one will get into it. They won't because it's bullshit I mean, this is a real document in the same way that a lot of these are the myaq documents real the dhs document Is real rare the rocky mountain times article is real, but I found this I mean it's still posted as a pdf on info wars even like this document about the the new york cemeteries

If you go through it, it's just a bunch of question It's a like five page questionnaire that's sent out to cemeteries that are just trying to gauge Whether or not they could accommodate in the case of uh disaster Right, which again from a public health standpoint makes total sense If you need that It is good to know ahead of time where you can and can't go And it's super respectful to them as businesses Like one of their questions in section. Oh and oh doesn't mean something. It's actually section. Oh

Is the cemetery able to sustain itself in parentheses cash flow if due to a mass fatality event? Uh in in terminate space and burial fees are delayed or a government reimbursed So this is even asking like if you had to like if we needed to commandeer your cemetery Could you work for free and then we'll pay you back or would this bankrupt you? Because if this is going to bankrupt you we're not going to use you exactly and it has how long can you sustain circle one Exactly three months six months 12 months 18 months 24 months So it's even respectful of the business entity, uh as itself and then also, you know, it has the like, um You know, uh, do you have uh capability? Do you have wi-fi?

uh This gets back so much to the Propagandist bread and butter which is that if you prepare for an emergency the propaganda says you're going to create the emergency And if the emergency happens and you're not prepared for it the propaganda is why didn't you prepare you should have fucking prepared for it They have you coming and going right because they're cheating. This is a cheat. Yeah, it is absolutely dodge I see I I you know, I can read this document and I can see nothing wrong with it I see exactly why it exists and then at the same time I see exactly the bread and butter alex is making out of it and I just think like

It's not it's not uh, uh, it's it's not reading comprehension based like I know he can't read and stuff like that, but It leads me to believe that because he's so lazy and such a just a reacting kind of guy I think the real like the then it insidious evil at info wars Is those people who write the articles? Mm-hmm because alex isn't he didn't read the rocky mountain times article He didn't read the dhs report. He thought it was section you like he didn't read these things He read the info wars articles about them. Yeah, and then responded to it So it's the people like curtain immo who have read the articles and that or the actual report or whatever

And then write the article about it that alex uses as the jumping off point, right? That might be the more nefarious evil behind this alex is still fucking evil as shit, but He's stupid. Do you think he's in the writer's room? No, he's in the or the well, he's in the lounge drinking in normal It would be it would be the news desks You know where all of this stuff happens. I I mean are do those do the writers for info wars even come into the office? Or yeah, they said it cubicles. I'm sure yeah. Do you think so?

Yeah, I've seen that alex gave a tour of their studio. Okay. Okay. I've seen the layout of it So so he's not in the editorial pitch meeting. Absolutely not. No, I bet buckley is yeah Buckley runs that shit while alex is nursing a hangover or starting one So so the way that this probably goes is not alex is in the editorial room Talking about here are the things we want to cover alex's talent, baby Exactly. There's a there's an editorial room where they're like here are the narratives We've got today. It's less like a news desk and more like the writer's room at snl They've got paul joseph watson on skype from london

uk where they're like, let's come up with some things that we can lie about let's talk about some fun things What do you got? Yeah kurt Well, I mean, you know what though alex is actively involved because we've seen when things have broken on the show Like when the show was happening Yeah, and he's called paul joseph watson and been like I need you to write an article that sums up all of this Right, that's true And I've always thought that that was because he wants the audience to have access to what the narrative should be But I think there's a decent chance. It's because he doesn't know what it should be

And he needs the direction of someone like paul joseph watson who's smart enough to figure out. Okay This is the way we package it This is the way you take the truth of this and turn it into the lie that you can sell to your dumb audience Yeah, this is such I think that's probably what's going on. This is like paid joke writers. This is such like Somebody going on the road and they're like I've run I had an hour of material for 10 years and I can't write any new jokes Yeah, totally He probably did his years of public access and then the early days of his show and he's just burned out on this Yeah, yeah, yeah, so he hires some writers and he's like, hey, I need a new joke about whatever the topic of the day is

Yeah, I I understand that impulse. It is really hard. It's really hard. It's really hard Takes me hours to go through this stuff. I know I can't wait for five years from now when we hire some young writers We're just we're just doing a script So, uh, we've seen a bunch of stuff here. This dhs document is being used completely flagrantly irresponsibly Just a mess just a mess what he's doing with this document that is descriptive in nature And he's turning it into a the government is trying to get you kind of thing Which is it serves his brand

But is So fucking wrong and then we see this mass grave stuff come up and you know, he's wrong about all this stuff, too Yeah It's interesting that he decides to Say this I wish every day this wasn't real. I wish every day they weren't shipping bird flu hall with the world and shooting people off I'm dying That's mainstream news

But nothing nobody in the quote alternative movement wants to cover it Like there's minimal block or something from covering real news. So they only can cover the weird made up crap it's It's a weird thing that alex is the luckiest man in the world He wishes that none of this is real and i'm here to say None of this is real. Yeah, you have gotten your wish alex. Yeah congratulations Anyway, I think that this is interesting because of uh because because of these like

You know new pieces that we can bring to our awareness And then at the same time because I think that this does represent me being done with the tea party stuff Yeah, we'll end up seeing I predict strongly predict Just this trend continuing as the tea party grows And I think there will be varying levels of intensity that alex feels like his movement is being stolen from Yeah, yeah, but I think that that's pretty much his operating position That's going to be where he goes from that which i'm glad that's you know, we had a where we're good We had a goal we did it. We went through the muck mission accomplished. Uh somali pirates. Sure. We're good

I wonder if he's gonna talk about them on the next episode one thing that remains constant uh from A decade ago to now is the thing that I hate most about alex And it's the thing that I hate most about so many of these guys, but alex is like the number one guy I know who Will directly assert the exact opposite of reality Like so many people then say that anyone who's expressing reality is doing that exactly like so many people in the right wing

Propaganda sphere try and Twist it. They try and spin it. They try and do all of this stuff They try and take reality and make it mean something else and alex just says directly The opposite of what you say is true 100 180 degrees Perfectly is what is true. It's still spin, but it's aggressive. It's so I mean it's I just want it like I'm So much more comfortable with 170 degrees of spin but a direct A direct refutation of reality with no acceptance of it at all. It's gaslighting. That's why I mean it's just so

Oh inferior. Yeah, it's an abusive tactic. It's it's manipulation that he's trying to perpetuate on a grand scale Yeah, I think I feel like a woman like a woman like a woman I feel like a woman from old times Yep, um, so we're uh, we're done here with this episode, uh, but uh, daryl johnson the guy who wrote that dhs report Yeah, uh, he's never killed anybody. He just tried to warn people about dudes who are going to be killing people in the near future And he got shot down for it. Uh, but one guy who has killed people Uh, actually it was part of shutting down

Uh, his warning about people who are going to kill people and that guy who's technically probably killed somebody That's alex jones. That was convoluted linguistically, but here we are Andy and james, you're on the air. Thanks for holding So alex, i'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you