Knowledge Fight - #259: January 27-29, 2019

Episode Date: February 1, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan try their best to keep track of what's going on in the present day with Alex Jones. In the aftermath of Roger Stone getting indicted, Alex unsurprisingly starts indicating that he has no interest in defending Trump or Roger anymore, and desperately wants to be who he used to be.

Andy and chances you're on the air. Thanks for holding So Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan We're a couple dudes like sit around drink novelty beverages and talk wee bit about Alex. Oh indeed. We are Dan. Hi Yes Ready player one sucks. I've never seen it. I've heard a lot of sniping about it on Twitter. It's bad. Cool That's not a question bad. I noticed I've noticed you never asked me about anything that I know about you know what I mean Like you ask vague questions about like have you ever done this or something like that?

But you never asked like something I have legitimate expertise in what would you like what what you have legitimate expertise in so many things That's right. So many possibilities Questions of larger breadth of your life and your history sure and also tell them that ready player one sucks I hear it's terrible. I'll double down on all you man. I'll take your words so bad I don't I'm not much of a movie guy. I know that seems weird Considering you managed a movie theater for a long time. I think that's a part of it though Yeah, managing a movie Howard on it Well, you kind of ruin the magic of it

Like I think a lot of people have a real like even if you watch a movie at home It still sort of triggers the same parts of your brain where it's like you're going into the movie theater You're a kid. You don't understand. There's a projectionist getting paid $4 an hour right up there. It was probably high Fair you know, there's no there shout out to Lewis right love you buddy When you work at a movie theater for long enough You just like it starts to become a nuisance you associate bad feelings with the theater itself, right? And there's no there's no magic to it It actually makes you mad because the period that I lived through in movie theaters too was the time when you was

transitioning from actual film to digital and so what they did was essentially get rid of an entire Job, you know, you get rid of projectionists who were experts in dealing with this film and threading it through projectors and Troubleshooting problems and then all of a sudden all you have to do is hit a button And so like I even have that resentment inside me when I think about movies. Yeah, it's a lot to unpack I just don't like to watch movies had a union once upon a time I do because I tried to unionize my theater back in Missouri Oh, yeah, I didn't get off the ground very far with it because they were very serious. Just like don't do that We will just fire you really fast that sort of thing. I was like I was probably like 1920 at the time was a thing

And so like I don't I don't need the headache. Yeah, no, but there is a projectionists union But generally speaking those are people who work in Different sort of like not the generally aren't it commercial movie theaters So they'll be the people who are like the projectionists for I max theaters and stuff like like much more specialized projectors and things like that and We we sort of flirted with the idea of trying to get into that union and just never got off the ground never happened But I I miss those days. I loved working with film like I loved it and

Yep, anyway, I don't like movies much Yeah, no, I understand my excuse is that they take up so much time But then here I am sitting here listening to fucking countless hours of this dickhole Alex Jones screaming But if you watch a movie, you don't learn that much What I've done. I know a lot about Alex Jones and I only know about ready player one and how much it sucks I'm getting the sense that you recently watched it. Ah, yeah, I even tried to watch the rift tracks version of it No, no, it's too bad. No, it's terrible Jordan. We got a big show to go over today big big show. Yeah, January 27th through 29th

2019 I assume nothing important happened in those states groundbreaking stuff happens about halfway through the show I'm gonna declare myself a prophet and We will see why very interesting stuff. All right, but before we get to today's show I gotta give some shout outs to some new donors. Hell. Yeah, but I also need to make an apology A lot of people have messaged about the buttons that we offered and I'm going to forward all those emails to our mailing department Yeah, which is me, but because we have probably less buttons than the demand is Give us a little time on that. Give us a little bit of time. We will send them out I'll send I'll send all the buttons that I can. Yeah, and we'll figure out how to make more and all that

It'll be taken care of give us a little time. We're not good at this. We're not it's really just you and me sitting in a room Of us in a room. Yeah in your room. Yeah So also, like I said, gotta give a shout out to some people who have joined up and are supporting the show We appreciate it very much first. I'd like to say thank you to Tom. You are now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Tom. Hey, Tom Derrydahl ding dong a dillow. Oh Is he in play ready player one? No, is he player two? Okay fellowship buddy next Eden. Thank you so much You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Eden. Thank you very much Eden next Greg Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Greg

Next and finally Hans, I believe but it's spelled h a n n e s which I enjoy Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Hans. Thank you. Hans. I love you Guys, if you're out there folks listening and you want to support the show you like what we do You can do that by going to our website knowledge fight.com clicking that button says support the show And we'd appreciate it indeed. You can so Jordan. Like I said big big old show today There's a trend forming and we saw on The day that Alex discovered that Roger Stone had been indicted right a pretty standard response from him In terms of like pretty low-key

Just like eyes bullshit kind of thing very petty as well a little bit petty. This is my world exclusive No one is allowing me to have it No, it's paying attention to me as we covered on our monday episode of this week Um his response to it immediately was that and then sort of got fucking weird by the end of the show And was rambling about god god's gonna get there very standard kind of alex jones response to a crisis Now our show is going to pick up today on the 27th, which was sunday and go till tuesday And I think during this period of time we will see a much more sincere response that alex jones has to roger stone being indicted

Uh, and I think it will be very gratifying for everyone But we have to jump in on the the 27th and on this uh this this clip Alex gets a little bit islamophobic, which is cool For him, uh, I guess But also says that some globalists are getting murdered around the globe And he seems pretty thrilled about it. Oh, no, they're into the 12th 13th week of the yellow vest Now the police have shot people with real bullets the French are only getting more aggressive But I like the islamic hordes that just burn cars the right women. They're actually targeting

Leftist operations government facilities red light cameras infrastructure And a lot of leftist and globalists have been falling down and hitting their heads Some people have been I'm I read about it. They've been finding some globalists hanging themselves I have no idea who would do something like that, but just people are starting to kill And they're doing it in targeted ways and so that's where this is going. That's not good. That's not good Isn't that called terrorism? Oh, you bet. He's celebrating political murders

Is he celebrating terrorism and fascism now? I don't know if these are actual murders or anything or he's just making this up or trying to conflate things I don't know. I don't really care. I mean I care on some level, but in terms of tracing this down I don't care about us covering it necessarily right outside of just saying that Oh, that's a clear demonstration of alex being like hey people I politically disagree with are getting murdered and I'm fucking pumped about it. Love it. He is thrilled so in this next clip he starts talking about some of his uh His political concerns

In this in this late january 2019 sphere and it's interesting what he seems to be upset about Also, we first told you about this a few months ago and to beat the drum president palos see now that's mainstream headlines We've got the leader of the black caucus and others saying she's really the president We're gonna remove trump and put her in and then oh Guess what she can appoint her vice president. Oh hillary Next next year's news today What so uh in this alex is citing a breitbart article That's really just a collection of screenshotted tweets from people reacting to an article in buzz feed about the possibility of palos see becoming president

Even the article that alex is talking about in every right thinking person doesn't really think that washington politicians have much interest in an impeachment trial Especially one of pence when 2020 is fast approaching. It's not like they can't be tried when they're out of office It's not like there's a deadline on it. Yeah, there's crimes Also, according to the 25th amendment It is true that palos see would become president if trump and pence were kicked out of office or resigned at the same time But odds are that would never happen if they're both convicted of impeachment at the same time That's one possibility, but there's no chance that those trials could be carried out before the 2020 election There's also zero chance that they would they would ever resign at the same time for this reason

If trump resigns pence becomes president, but palos see doesn't become vice president pence appoints his new vice president who then enters the presidential succession grid right at the top If they were going to both resigned they would stagger it So pence's new vp would then ascend to the presidency thus being able to pardon both of them There's zero gain in in uh resigning simultaneously and they would never ever do it No, not the only reason that that line of succession shit is there is if they both get hit by a meteor in the same at the same time Exactly, you know, it's not like aha. We got you now. We got also Look, even if that does happen if nancy palos see

Appoints hillary clinton as their vice president. I think I would be fine with impeaching her too But I'd be like let's clean house But there's no way that would ever happen ever sure the new president gets to appoint their vice president But here's the rub that person has to be approved by majority votes in both houses of congress You are never going to get vice president hillary clinton through the senate And I would be shocked if it was even an easy path through the house quite frankly This just isn't possible as a real-world scenario Alex just doesn't understand civics and he's trying to bring up his old favorite enemy to make her relevant again

Because I think that alex jones is starting to miss the days of your I think they all are I think everyone is but alex is now starting to realize It's fun to make fun of hillary. Oh So good they had fun when that was all I was doing every day and Yeah, almost immediately after that. He starts venting a little bit of frustration with His god king donald trump I'm gonna say this right now to the president Mr. President You

Are not defending yourself. You're not defending your family You're not defending this country In one critical area and that's exercising your authority But also your duty When we have a rogue deputy attorney general That outside of law set up a whole new system and appointed a special counsel No point of order rosinstein isn't in charge of that anymore. That's acting attorney general wicker

unelected god emperor Who himself helped cover up the crimes of the clintons and others with the russians And other foreign governments and who himself helped deliver uranium to the russians on the And who himself first made his bones using whitey bulger as a hitman in boston And who then went on to just be the absolute mafia teeth of the white shoe boy robert moeller He's the luco bratsi of the fbi

He's the guy they send in to cover up 9 11. He's the guy they send in. I mean, he's the dirtiest of the dirty dirties He needs linos thesaurus whole boy. It's the dirtiest of the dirty dirties I don't know how dirty that is, but it sounds really dirty I don't really care about uh his complaints about moller because they all seem to you know sort of Rotate and gravitate around the the idea that he gave the russians uranium on the tarmac That's such hot bullshit. Yep. So like I hear that and all I hear is alex starting to be like fucking trump You're not doing it. You're not doing it. And it's interesting. It's interesting to hear that

I know we've heard sort of similar things in the past But I wonder if that's gonna develop that I want to speak to trump right now And I want to use the words of ronald reagan Uh, mr. trump Tear down this. Oh, shit. No, that was the reverse. Yeah, build up this wall Um, so he's he's starting to feel a little bit like trump. You're not doing your job You're not protecting the country yourself and your family I'm not I don't feel great about it at the same time alex has another fire in his house

He's got to put out and that is the fact that roger stone got indicted and by this point alex has probably read that indictment You know if you can hopefully if you can read hopefully somebody has hopefully read it to him I assume they released it as an audiobook. Absolutely. Yeah, and so he's got to do a little bit of damage control for roger And so he tries and I don't think this is a good defense And then they claim that roger stone lied when you read that indictment. There's nothing there except roger Acting like he was trying to get in the local college play of acting like a gangster. I mean there there is some of that in there That's your ankle. I really heard roger act like that, but that's that's what the techs are Okay, all right

Wow Sure, sure the accusations of witness tampering are really just roger Additioning for a plan He's just acting like a gangster. Hey, guess what would you act like a gangster and threaten somebody who's a witness? That's still that's that's still threatening. That's not acting like a gangster That is doing what gangsters do Do you know who is the best at acting like gangsters gangsters gangsters are you bet because they do the things that gangsters roger stone is the lucobrot see

of Texting randy credico violent things. I think that's still a problem. I don't think I don't think you understand It is that's a soft deflection. It's real It's real weak It almost gives you the sense that he just doesn't have it in him to really think about how to defend roger be like Fuck it. I it it sounds so much like Roger blew me off. So, uh, I guess he was acting. I don't give a fuck. Let's see him go down. So, uh He's got he's got a lot on his plate. He's got a lot going on. Uh, and uh

He accidentally makes a couple of unforced errors on this episode this 27th this sunday episode The first of them Is that he completely bungles his? pretend Uh, the right and left paradigm is a is an illusion. Yeah, yeah He has he has shades of this all the time where he when he says globalist. He means democrat that sort of thing He pretends or leftists, right? He's above the left right Uh, designation, but he is happy when leftists are getting murdered. Well, there's that and but every single time

He associates someone with the globalists. Yeah, there. It's almost a one-to-one parallel with people who are uh, uh, Sort of more on the liberal side and this group. He's just basically says that every republican who is part of the globalists are secretly democrats So that's what's happened. They brought in a bipartisan group But mainly democrats but but but but by a partisan group of globalists the bushes are really democrats Sure, they bring in these Rockefeller republicans who are really democrats and they put their people in ever since 1989 what they've really had their full coup over the country thought it was fdr And then they all got lazier or whatever and truck got in in 2016 and they freaked out

That was jfk and so the first thing rise hd did was a point robert muhler who'd brought him into power Before that his timeline is so completely fucked in terms of like when these globalists took control of x y or z Which was 1899 uh 1492 when columbus sailed the globalist blue Um, I just if it rhymes it's globalists. It's gotta be So that's uh, that's unfortunate the idea that like the bushes they're secretly democrats and all these people who are like You know, they present those republicans. They're actually democrats because they were the globalists He just means you're not fascists. Yeah, well, it's interesting. You see that's what he really means because listen to this next clip

Where he makes his second unforced error So i'm gonna say it again very very slowly. I know the audience knows this but we have to get this out of the president everybody else The president's like I just want to Turn the economy back on secure the border increase the defense budget But not as like a whitey bitch the middle east but have superior weapons strength your peace makes sense All these things that are classic john wane americana that anybody that's pro america should be for I mean, yeah, it's got a little bit of fascist icing to it Communism and the globalism they're trying to get us. You know, what?

You see the whole system against you What the fuck? Alex You can't It's got a little bit of fascist icing. Yeah, anything any red blood in american would be for It's perfect john wane americana with a thin veneer of fascism over it I feel like most of his career has been predicated on the idea of a little bit of fascism leads to a whole lot of it the problem is uh

We generally speaking when you have fascist icing you put the little Joke candles of white nationalism on top and no matter how hard you blow. They just keep fucking trick candles Yeah, so that is like that to me is like your head's not in the game, man I know it's sunday and it's kind of just like shoot from the hip sunday in 2019 Yeah, he knows that who gives a fuck anyone listening doesn't have critical thinking skills But that's crazy to me. What's your favorite flavor of fascist icing? I think uh strawberry strawberry cream strawberry cream, huh? Mmm. I like me uh Orange sickle dan. There you go. That's the way to go

Real sad to see that Real real fucked up. It's it's sure trump is kind of a fascist. It's too obvious. It's too obvious We've been calling him a fascist brightly for so long then for him to just say it kind of makes me It like it's like when you're blackmailing somebody and then they're just like, you know what fuck it I'm just gonna come out. You lose your hole, right? You lose your leverage. So now it's just like well, he's admitting He's a fascist. So what are we what are we gonna do? Well, we can learn about other things But I mean the way he's presenting it is classic alex jones It is this idea is like sure trump is a little bit of a fairytale

He's got fair just icing, but at least he's not a communist. Yeah, which is I mean that's what he should be saying Like if he were being more intellectually honest with his audience He would have been saying stuff like that all along Yeah, because where alex lives and where he comes from is rampant anti communist propaganda red baiting nonsense from uh cold war times Yeah, like the the people who are his spiritual uh predecessors That's they would be fine with americana fascism as opposed to the communist menace that they've built up because American fascism would still be a ruthless capitalist system. Yeah, I would say

Plenty of the 1950s could be characterized by uh fascism a lot a lot of business interests in america We're totally fine with the idea of it. Yeah, absolutely The beat generation literally said all the time. Hey, you guys are fascists and they weren't all wrong Right, you know, so but what I hear what I hear from alex here is a little bit of getting right with god Even yeah, I know that might be a little bit too much to to throw out there Let's see how this goes But I hear when he says that like it's easy to look at that is like a big fuck up and on some levels It definitely is yeah, but you take another step back and it's like, oh, that's more honest

That is something that you wouldn't have said before because you have to deflect every single possible criticism of trump But now you're opening yourself up to like the idea of like Yeah, yep these are there are some negative real serious negative things It's interesting. It's interesting that it happens two days after roger stone gets fucking indicted. That is he's he's a little bit He's a little bit thrown off But I mean if you want to go back to uh, you know, if you want to go back to obama, you can say I he was doing all this great stuff, but at the same time he was persecuting more whistleblowers under a of spy act from 1910s

He was deporting more people than the president's before right like I can be intellectually honest and say that he had You know his the difference is you haven't spent three years every day Every criticism of obama and then initial then once your best friend who used to be obama's chief advisor For 20 fucking years gets indicted you start saying, you know what obama was real fucked up with the drones Yeah, exactly that to me is monumental Exactly, but it still could just be a slip up on the on the sunday show because he knows it's low stakes Well, you you can often trip on some fascist icing if you if you've got the little container open Maybe you're eating it with your finger and you know, you're not supposed to do that

You drop it accidentally slip your foot on there and then all of a sudden you believe that trump is a good president That's just how it goes. Yep So he has roger on to do some deflecting and what have you at the end of this sunday show And one of alex's big criticisms is you're being too much about your own defense I need you to go on the offense I need you to be the roger stone that attacks people and you're just saying you're innocent all the time right which Again is a valid criticism But the first thing we're doing here right now is uh, just uh, you and oan

Breaking down Where you see all this going because when I hear you on air and on other shows and on my own you get into how you're innocent We all know that What about uranium one? What about muller being involved in himself? What about them involved in russia? Again, what about the stuff we talk about all the time giant cover-up for me It's the hypocrisy that you've done nothing wrong and these people are up their eyeballs trying to overthrow an election And then trump sits there and doesn't do anything about it roger No alex i think you're absolutely right

That's the reason of course that they want to silence me because I have been a critic I wrote a five thousand word piece on uranium one for the info wars website and change the world by doing so Well alex, I would like to do that But uh, unfortunately in a court of law They would prove that I was a liar and neither you nor I can have our bullshit said in law courts Right, you can't help me in my real world All I can do is do exactly what we've already said He's going to do which is exactly use alex and his audience for money, which they get to in this next clip

So i'm not going to fold that I can tell you but I am deeply concerned about having the resources to to move forward Oh, let me bring that up because because if we all just just say hey stonedoffensefund.com and I say hey folks buy some Prosperity support if people don't Support you and understand that you're a linchpin to their whole System and that they're trying to break your will to make you bear false witness that people don't back you then they're backing the globalist So stonedoffensefund.com if they don't go to info wars store.com and get great products and great films and great books And great supplements and things they need then the globalists will be able to shut us down It's been a beautiful thing that we've stood this long

But it shows that there aren't many Men out there that were willing to actually stand up and and put a fight up against tellery We're being punished for hillary being defeated We're being punished for being loyal americans and helping kick start the heart of america with a defibrillator And we've done that and the globalists are trying to put the genie back in the bottle It's critical. We stand out of metaphors critical that we stay vocal Lie down lie down lie down lie down Time is america fight for its life

That that info wars be here and just as important as buying products the info wars store.com is Again the articles the videos the live stream feeds the local stations. However, you listen Tell people to tune in they just they just need it man. They need it. It's so intense There's so much we need money and yeah, I guess you do I mean more so than probably in the past like at least there's a An actual reason Yeah, like you are going to go to prison probably a lot of and alex is in like he's getting sued by everybody And things are falling apart his best friend's going to prison. So I mean, yeah, I understand the like the depressiveness of it

But at the same time I mean what you see here is almost exactly what you'd expect except for those little kernels The idea that alex is more honestly talking about uh trump having fascist tendencies The idea that he's expressing sort of a frustration with trump about not standing up for himself in the country Which you could only do by acting like a fascist and a frustration with roger Not defending or just defending himself as opposed to going on the attack Although his version of going on the attack is just doing exactly what they've been doing all the time right saying the same things Like oh, these are the guilty ones. Why won't you deflect with me instead of saying that you're guilty or that you're innocent?

and so The sunday show sort of you know It it peeked my interest, but it didn't Really I had a I had a hunch when I listened to it that we were in for something Yeah, but I didn't know quite what until I turned on the monday show and then things spiraled And my mind got blown Completely blown. Yeah, what we are about to witness Is alex jones trying to pretend that the last five years didn't happen

Okay, wow still trying to deal with some of the issues of the president. Okay. He's going to pretend He's 2009 alex all over again. He's just going to let it go. Do you mean 10 years? Well, I mean 2009 is such a our framework of it But he's just trying to like pretend. Hey, I didn't spend all that time being trump's bootlicker That's basically what he's going to do on this monday episode and it's completely crazy Really and I knew something was up as soon as we jump into the episode and he gets back to Trying to cover the topics trying to cover issues that are important to him. What? There's so many things bouncing around in my head before I go live that I haven't really decided what I was going to cover first

But I thought before I got here that I said, you know what? I'm going to print up some autism statistics And I'm going to print up some numbers about how they've gone from five vaccines to over a hundred They want you to take and I'm going to get into the fact that it's third world populations coming in That are spreading disease in this country and then they pointed anti-vaxxers Even though you do the research, it's not anti-vaxxers That are spreading measles the measles the mumps the rubella And things like that washington state

I love it when alex jones says you do the research you do the research dan So he spends like an hour doing a ted talk basically about vaccines And we'll get into a little bit of it as it goes along because you know I I long for this version of alex jones that actually says Things right right right right you miss it. There's a part of me that's delighted by this Um, so this thing that he's saying he's so full of shit trying to blame immigrants for disease outbreaks This is quite literally just white nationalist propaganda And it's a narrative that's been used since time immemorial to demonize non-white populations as dangerous From a recent article in nbc news quote

There's no evidence to show that migrants are spreading disease said dr. Paul spiegel Who directs the center for humanitarian health at johns hopkins school of public health quote? That is a false argument that's used to keep migrants out The article goes on to discuss the tragic irony that the right wing attacks immigrants over health issues When the reality is that our health care system deeply relies on immigrants to run As a recent study published in the journal of the american medical association points out quote 16 percent of health care workers in the u.s. Were born somewhere else including 29 percent of physicians 16 percent of registered nurses 20 percent of pharmacists 24 percent of dentists and 23 percent of nursing psychiatric and home health care aids

Yep, that checks out the type this type of demonizing rhetoric is an essential piece of establishing an authoritarian system The scapegoating of the other is key and it's crucial that the argument Be made that your brutality and your cruelty are being done as defensive measures The nazis created tons of propaganda about jews being lice who spread typhus Which was something they were trying to protect the german people from even prior to that jews were consistently and baselessly blamed for spreading the bubonic plague But even outside of authoritarian concerns There's a serious trend in western history to blame disease on something external As if somehow admitting that we're all susceptible to illness would be admitting weakness or sin

In the 1830s irish immigrants were scapegoated for causing cholera outbreaks. Actually, we did you during During the renaissance period the british called syphilis the french disease Although the french thought it was the italians fault and the italians pointed the finger at the french bigotries are confirmed by blaming others in this way And that's been done countless times throughout our history from african americans and syphilis to the homosexual community and hiv and aids This mentality at best is useless And a deterrent to progress and at worst is a tool employed by authoritarian rulers to define in groups and out groups And make certain that the in group has a built-in fear of the out group and not just that but it damages

Your like it's counterproductive for what it is you think that you're trying to do At the same time you're demonizing immigrants for spreading disease. You're spreading anti-vaxxer bullshit Which by your own, you know, we'll get to that you're only hurting the people that you think are immune from disease by virtue of whiteness A millbank quarterly paper from 2002 discusses the quote persistent association of immigrants and disease in american society And it features the headline the foreignness of germs, which a alex likes headline So I just wanted to throw that out there That's nice They studied the period from the late 1800s to the present day and found quote anti-immigrant rhetoric and policy have often been framed by an explicitly medical language

One in which the line between perceived and actual threat is slippery and prone to hysteria and hyperbole They found that throughout our country's wonderful history quote policy makers have employed strikingly protean medical labels of exclusion And quote in order to use exaggerated medical concerns to exclude the people that they deemed objectionable This is the driving force behind this rhetoric and explains why the rhetoric persists Even long after improved healthcare all but eliminates the need to be concerned about the underlying diseases It's all a function of nativist tendencies towards exclusion Now in the real world the journal of the american medical association has done a very Series of very in-depth studies about the connection between willful non-vaccination and outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases

In one instance, they discussed 12 recent outbreaks of pertussis For which they had access to detailed vaccination records for people involved in nine of the outbreaks In eight out of the nine outbreaks They had information about the incidents of intentionally unvaccinated individuals was never lower than 59 percent And in cases was as high as 93 And in other they discussed findings from 18 measles outbreaks Where they found that of the cases they had vaccination records for 70.6 percent of individuals involved had non-medical exemptions to vaccination, which is what alex promotes

Put very simply what they found by tracing the epidemiology of transmission was that quote children with vaccine exemptions have a substantially greater risk for acquiring measles than fully vaccinated children What? In one study the risk was 35 times that of the vaccinated population and quote Higher rates of vaccination exemption in a community are associated with greater measles incidences in that community They found literally the same thing about pertussis In another peer reviewed study published in the public library of science journal They examined the areas of high rates of non-medical exemptions to vaccination

Part of their findings involved discussion of the 2014 measles outbreak that originated at disneyland Which led to 111 cases of the disease and how oakland california is Suspiciously a city with a high rate of non-medical exemptions to vaccination There are trends that you can track and people have done it and they found that places with higher incidents of these non-medical exemptions always have more incidences of these Preventable diseases. It's it's nonsense like there is there are definitely tons of studies that back this up Although there is no data to suggest that immigrants Who are coming into the country are infecting people that is purely white nationalist nativist

Propaganda that alex jones is putting out into the world It's it I think it has so much to do again with With movies and shit like that because the movie narrative of those infectious diseases is always You know somebody got on a plane from blah and then they showed up in your town and they just started spreading it around So yeah, you say, oh sure 60 percent of non-vaccinated children are 60 percent of the people who are hit by this measles outbreak are non-vaccinated children But they wouldn't have been hit by that measles outbreak if patient zero wasn't blah from blah But that's part of these studies too. Like they can find the generation of the uh the

Contagent right, but that's the epidemiology so many movies where the you know like outbreak or or the story about the The monkey that spread hiv, you know that whole that whole thing is that's always the narrative Right and and that's what those studies were talking about the other ones Not the journal of american medicine one But those ones that were looking into history the idea of the foreignness of germs There is an obsession on our part to deem something external as giving things to us And I think part of that is uh based in some sort of religious tradition where there's the idea that illness means that you did something bad And god is right right right. I think that there is some

vestigial part of our brains that that's screwed up that still affects some people That makes them think that in the same way as so many dumb people think that poverty means you're bad The same thing here with illness. Yeah, you did something to deserve this. Yes, and they are all in government now Yeah, and they are all advising the fucking president So alex comes in with this and i'm like, all right, buddy You got you threw some meat on my plate and it's been a lot. It's been a while since It it He talks about it for an hour. He talks about vaccines for a fucking hour

It's almost unheard of in present day. He's just wrong for an hour. He's not really talking about them vis-a-vis trump He's talking about them In reference to his globalist enemies Not defending trump by attacking them attacking them for the sake of attacking them because they're giving you dirty vaccines That's a huge difference And so and he doesn't throw in like and this is the stuff trump is trying to stop And that's why we got to support trump and all that stuff. Nope. In fact, it's quite the opposite I don't want to just cover trump or roger stone and i and i like roger

Because both of them are going to change of all the incredible stuff going on around the world I ran on the edge of war with israel What's happening in venezuela? What's soros saying get ready for the china to collapse which i agree with But that's like a soros is jumping on the bandwagon A lot of listeners love the show, but they also say alex. We want you to get back to secret society some and the globalist and the esoteric and Uh, weather modification because the last three years

It's been all trump all the time Holy shit because we've been in an epic civil war with the globalist It'll still be a lot of trump here. It's just that I don't want to cover every facet of everything from dusch. You have though That's been all you've done for a long time Isn't that nuts at At any time at any time alex you could have stopped Well, you didn't want to do it. No could have stopped. He couldn't until roger stone was fucking indicted. That's true Now roger isn't in his ear every step of the way or at the very least

He's not listening to roger as much about what narratives he should or should not cover more or less That's what that's my feeling that I get from this. It's hard to prove that But like when alex jones went on air uh when trump bombed syria, he's like, you know He shoves isis up his dirty asshole and what have you still a highlight great It was a great time him fake him fake slash real crying was still a highlight Yeah, but I didn't think and I believe that by the end of that episode that we did I still was like I don't think that he's going to stick to this. Uh, I'm listening to this And I think he's done. You think this is the you think he's done with trump

Yep, this is the soft beginning of him getting off the trump bandwagon because listen to this next clip He's starting to realize that if they go down He's going to go down unless something changes. He realizes that his identity is Intertwined with roger stone and donald trump and that is not a good position to be in right now Because I think by monday, he's read the fucking indictment and he realizes. Uh, oh roger stone is going to prison So in this next clip, he tries to disentangle himself and it's very pathetic Because you know, I've been trying to weigh all the good things

That trump has done Versus the bad things that trump has done because trump really is seen by the globalist as a mandate or a figurehead Of nationalism and populism and capitalism uh, re-emergence And if trump can be destroyed

If trump can be discredited they believe that will start the process Of retaking all these other countries that they've been controlling And putting into poverty And exploiting So it's important to defend trump when he's doing the right thing. It's important to keep his feet to the fire when he's not But there is the fact that letting everything be about trump Makes it to where they are able To destroy him

Or cripple him Then somehow it cripples us and my identity Is not president trump My identity is not roger stone Because I support roger. I know he's being railroaded I support president trump that he's doing a great job overall get frustrated with him But at the same time My my destiny is is is is not bound to bound to trump and it's not bound to roger stone. Unfortunately, it is

To quote jojo this is too little too late The timing of this is so fucking suspicious the timing No, no, come on After after this trump shoves dirty, you know, ice is up his dirty ass So he had roger to get him back on track and now he knows like I can't rely on roger I can't and I think that there's even other elements to that which we'll get to a little bit later in the episode But I think he's like well, fuck it roger I uh, I talked to uh, my lawyer and uh, even my shitty lawyer thinks you're going to jail

So I don't think I'm gonna listen to you too much Not anymore. Well, I mean think about the predicament He's put himself in now and I think that it's possible that he's waking up from A real like long bender like a three-year bender with this trump booze that he's been drinking Yeah, thanks to roger stone. He's been filling his flaggin over and over again and along the way What is he done like now? He has no roger because roger's gone to prison and until then they aren't going to be able to conspire on anything He knows that roger's phones are probably tapped. Oh, yeah all that sort of things

You know, he can't he can't you he they can't have the same relationship that they had before Whatever that relationship might have been but in the process by following everything roger wanted him to do Where is he? He can't talk to steve pochennec anymore. Nope steve's been banished from uh, his world, which is fine Um, you know no one misses steve webster tarply Has turned on him because he believes that trump is inspiring fascist and from 2016 on webster tarply one of his other great sources Now won't talk to him anymore. Wayne madson. One of the he always scrapes the fascist icing off of his cupcakes One of that's webster tarply. He's a fucking mo wane madson the guy who brought us the call me call larry nickle's story

Won't talk to alex anymore because of the same concerns. Yeah because of his support of trump He's lost employees jacari jackson apparently left over the the trend there some of his long-term employees Didn't like the direction of him getting into trump and they left People like leon macadoo doesn't seem to be interested in this bullshit anymore. Like he's lost everything by following roger stone's advice to the point. He's at and now he realizes Where am I? What have I given up everything for I got david knight and oh and fucking shroy are hanging around I got nothing this sucks I so he has to imagine reading any historical precedent for what happens if you listen to roger stone for too long

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Are you saying that after listening to roger stone for three years? I've got nothing left That's crazy. That's nuts never happened to everybody So I um, I found that to be really telling and you know him trying to be like I have my own man I have my own identity that isn't donald trump that isn't roger stone I thought that was fine You know, I thought it was interesting and I was still Waiting to see where this narrative progressed to and then alex said what he says in this next clip And I almost fell out of my fucking chair

Because if you listened to our show about three episodes back I said he was going to say almost literally what he says We launched 1776 part two. We launched the global populist movement. We launched The global nationalist movement and the belief that Globalism would become so obviously oppressive and authoritarian that we should promote its nationalistic counterpart to it And we're definitely the detonator. This part isn't that all that shocking. This is stuff You'd kind of expect him to say but it's the prelude to the bomb In that overall

Resistance And so that's the point that i'm making here is that Trump didn't bring us to the party. We brought trump to the party I I literally said that when alex, you know decides it's going to be an easy dodge for him What he's going to say is I didn't leave the party trump left the party

Which is a paraphrase to me. He just says exactly what I said he was going to do god damn it I am scared of how God damn it dan you gotta and it might be we need you You go to go to a different country for a little while Sit on a beach. It might be indicative to he might be listening and we should get a consulting fee quite right I think that's not a bad idea Trump didn't bring us to the party. We brought trump to the party. Absolutely. That's a good way. That's a good way to do this I think it's probably the smartest way to do it. Yeah, I mean the only other way to do it would be to

uh betray all of the principles that you've already betrayed but revealing that you Actually believed the principles that you betrayed for trump and stump you'd have to burn down a lot or do it this way Yeah, that's that's the how it's and he's still he's still gonna have to do a controlled burn But I think you get away a lot easier when you're like, oh no, we were the real thing all along and trump, you know He's doing the same thing he did with the tea party. Yeah, he's doing he's and that's exactly Where we got the idea that he might do this from yep, he co-opted trump as long as he could and now Much like stone has the same fucking pattern of behavior whenever he gets caught in a lie. Alex

Alex whenever he needs to cut and run going gets tough. Alex gets a move in And pretending he was the real version of it along and everybody else the real world is faking it Yeah, blah, blah, blah We brought trump to this party even though I told all of you at the very beginning that he was mobbed up and that you Shouldn't trust him right and then I inexplicably trusted him because of this asshole roger stone Who I also trusted and it turns out bad idea and died it bad idea I would continue to listen to him, but he's fighting a gag order. So I don't even know if he's gonna be on the show Yep, it's a mess. It's a mess, but I think I think as much as I hate him and I think he sucks

I think Alex is doing the right thing here I don't I don't think it's gonna be enough to save him. Yeah, but I think it's interesting It's an interesting strategy and I respect it on one level because it at least is a move you know, it's a move that will have consequences and That's that's more interesting than just staying the course and letting the whole thing fall apart It's also a move that says discretion is the better part of valor true But you know in this next clip Alex says that he doesn't think that trump is going down

But the way he's saying it makes me think that he thinks trump is going down And so my statement now that This isn't all about trump is not because I think he's about to be brought down for sure It's so that people understand that if trump is destroyed It should not be a demoralizing effect because we're on the march and the globalists are on the run That is preemptive damage control Oh boy, I think Alex is concerned So I I don't think trump is going down, but I do know two people who are going down

Intimately, I know both of them well And they have told me the shit that they did and that trump was directly involved with that shit So if by any chance they were to be indicted and then oh fuck. Oh, no No It makes you think that He might be clean. I don't I don't know if he is yeah, Alex might be clean But now he knows stuff. Yeah of this stuff But now he's now they've kind of given up

Like the fact that he's he's doing this at all at right after roger's indicted Specifically whatever days after he goes a 180 maybe 170. Yeah a full 180 when we're when we're talking about the shit that course He was involved in as well. He knows both of these dudes Yep, he's fucked he turned on coursey because he thought that was a way that he could maintain roger and everything But then once roger got in trouble. It's like fuck it. I got to change everything So I don't know we'll see I think that he'll maintain all the shithead positions that he has In defensive trump, but they'll no longer be used in service of defending trump Right, so all the white nationalism all the anti-immigrant stuff all the transphobia all that shit that will all still be there

But it'll be attacking the globalists as opposed to Uh, you know, this is what trump is fighting against right that sort of thing It's kind of an easy move to make but Well, thank god. He's still got paul joseph watson. Well, he might not we'll get to that in a little longer All right now i'm liking this so at this point Alex jumps back into his uh ted talk about vaccines And some of this is a little bit reiterating what he said before but uh, it's worth it Just to drive home the point that he says this repeatedly and i'm talking about vaccines vaccines are simply a catch-all term

For the government mandating something to be put injected into your body No, it's not just pathogens or attenuized viruses or uh dead bacteria that your body then learns how to fight That's a known technology known as debating that it exists and has some attributes It's the whole precedent setting the precedent to put things into your body That change the very chemistry of not just Your auto immune system, but your brain and your organs itself And now the big push on every major channel is arrest people that don't vaccinate and they're claiming that they're increased

Pathogenic diseases and illnesses like measles in areas because of anti-vaccine when the studies don't really show that It's the illegal alien influxes So we've already addressed that a little bit That's just white nationalism But the push that people are making is not so much about arresting people who are anti vaccination I believe the conversations are more about You know charging people with malpractice who advocate for not vaccinating children Who then end up like the kid gets measles or you know god forbid some other condition. That's worse

That's that would be a really interesting Court case that look if you know what my kid got measles And that is we traced back the the outbreak of measles and it comes back to your anti-vaxxer bullshit Is that grounds for a civil case? Yeah, I don't know. Do you know what I mean? Feels like it would be but I don't know it feels like it would be yeah So he's talking there about like vaccines or just like anything they put in your body or what have you and some of that defense Is based on this next clip and I think he doesn't know what he's talking about Now you have to understand I could talk

For 20 hours just about the different types of so-called vaccines. How is it vaccine? It's a genetically engineered virus That only targets certain cells in the brain I thought a vaccine goes in and teaches the body What's bad from outside That would have actually destroys things in your body So I think what he's talking about here is uh sort of just misunderstanding science Yeah, exactly right like so very often in the development of medications like in the research and trial phases

Scientists find dual uses for what they're developing One big example of that is when they were developing the zika vaccine researchers found that the vaccine they were working on Also showed a bunch of promise in the treatment of glioblastoma a deadly brain cancer And so they started to pursue the possibility that this vaccine could be used to fight brain cancer I'm not a scientist I don't really know if I can speak to a lot of the in-depth in the weeds aspects of that But from everything I've been able to look into I think that that's what alex is misrepresenting the idea that some vaccines End up having dual purpose right the same way that well buterin is an antidepressant and is also sold as a smoking cessation drone

Like they're you know It's not it's it's very common The the the scientists who are working on it Work on it and they find that it oh shit it helped that and then they're like oh shit it helped that Fuck it Let's do them both. Yeah, it's fine. Give them different names. It's not like it's not like we need to stop We can't solve one problem yet. No, no, no, that's not what this is for Sure, it solves it, but that's not what this is for

Fuckin make the same thing give them two names make double the money or gold. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so Look, there's a lot of ads a lot of pivots a lot of A lot of I need money kind of stuff. Yeah, but man the feeling is super different Super different in this next clip alex Suggests that he's not plugging enough. Let me say he is plugging plenty But he thinks that he's not plugging enough, but the reason Might surprise you now folks. I didn't plug one time this hour And if we don't get financial support, we will shut down

And part of me maybe subconsciously I don't plug enough to support us as I want to shut down I've been really thinking about is that why I don't plug it up actually find the operation I need people to import store.com today. I need them to check out all the amazing products We have turbo force great the thing that you say don't take don't take extreme don't take turbo good But yeah, that's crazy subconsciously. I want to quit so I don't plug enough you're plugging all the fucking time But it's interesting. It's an interesting angle because I think he's trying to guilt the audience a little bit I think that's less an existential crisis and more like a uh You got to make me be into this

Because everything is falling around apart. Yeah Around me. Everything's falling apart. Yeah, it it's kind of like subconsciously. He's saying he subconsciously wants to quit because subconsciously He kind of wants to quit and subconsciously still further. He thinks he's already done Well, he wants to quit talking about trump all the time for sure Right, and I think that we felt that for quite a while. We felt like a almost uh fatalistic element of his His performance over the last months like it just like he doesn't seem to want to do it And so if you take what he's saying there literally

It is kind of a I don't want to do the show. I've been doing Yeah, but I'm more than willing to do a show where I talk about vaccines for a fucking two hours Uh, because he spoiler alert he pivots the narrative at hour two Uh, but still talks about vaccines great, but in a different way great. Um, so he'd be totally willing to do that That would be exciting again. I bet he'd feel alive all over again Maybe he could shave that stupid beard and uh like really be alive Again really feel like he's fighting these fake enemies that he's got Yeah, as opposed to just playing defense for a dick that doesn't probably even talk to him anymore

Oh, absolutely doesn't talk to him again That that is probably like a leftover feeling that he has from the last month So the idea of like I don't want to do this show anymore Like maybe subconsciously I haven't been super into it because I wake up every morning and I've got a lie for the president Yeah, and the president's friend and I'm no sarah huckabee sanders I can't pull that shit up. I'm not getting paid that much if he is listening to our show Then maybe he's just heard your intro to every present day episode We've done for the past three months where you're like, I didn't want to do this. This is really boring

I don't find the present day interesting at all. Many said earlier. You finally wore him down, dad Maybe when he said earlier, they're like a lot of listeners want me to go back Maybe he's just talking about me Could be could be Um, so the vaccines, you know, they're evil, uh, and they there's a plan in play, right? There's a plan and you might think that the plan is just get you sick with these various things They're going to shoot in you But no, no, no the plan that the globalist have is much deeper and in this

Next clip It's 40 seconds long and alex bats for the bigotry cycle. He hits every base. He hits them all. It's crazy But don't worry. They'll have runs for life and runs for autism and you know, you'll go run a 10k and donate money And then as they build giant autism centers all over the country and we just get used to half of our boys not being able to talk That's the soft kill, but boys are bad boys start wars So if you can't get them to cut their genitals off or can't get them to take Harmon blockers can't get them to wear a dress You just you just abort them or you kill them. Oh, he's rounding third. Come on

You know, they're doing it for the greater piece of earth and then bringing in all those great muslims Who know how to treat a girl? So you can see the vice grip the takedown of the west the globalist military plan to destroy us I don't think that I don't see the plan I don't I just see wow. I just see buckshot bigotry there. I just throwing spaghetti at the wall I actually could count the single the double the triple in the whole run. Yeah That was a legit cycle. Yeah, like he's like, oh, you're gonna do a run for autism But you don't really know and that was just a base knock and then he adds that it was oh

He's because all the immigrants coming to double. Oh, shit It's because all the men don't want to get their genitals cut off transphobia at the triple They're the three and guess how we're gonna bring it home It's the muslims Got a replace of the boys who can't talk anymore with those great muslims. What the fuck man put it on the board Islam I heard that clip, but I was just sitting here like wow I get what he's trying to say, but it's so it's like it's it's legitimately so insane

That is that is a whirlwind. Now that that's pretty insane and it's it's it's It's all over the place. His thoughts are tangential at best But when he starts the second hour after the first hour I would say 85 90 percent of that is fucking vaccine talk and a lot of it's just boring anti-vax stuff Yeah, so we you know I brought out the parts that are that are like interesting and we haven't covered before right the other You know 10 to 15 percent is that I don't want to just talk about trump anymore The thing that made me so angry is whenever he opened up. It was like three clips ago. He opens up with his like It's not just about all these

attenuated viruses and All that stuff because those have been shown to be efficable and then he just moves on and you're like wait Well, we'll actually get back to that thought did you just say he gets back to that thought in a little bit And there's actually a really interesting place. He's getting those ideas from okay And actually I think a lot of people don't fully understand some of that rhetoric And I apologize that I left you confused, but I I did so because he's going to articulate it better Gotcha. Um, so that's most of the first hour

It's pretty much vaccines and a little bit of I don't want to just be tied to these guys who are going to prison I don't want to do that. I want to keep making money So the second hour starts and I'm like, all right We can't keep talking about vaccines But he does because there's breaking news that he's found that involves vaccines and The Mueller probe what whoa, where's the connection there? I'm interested the very same people that have had their fingers controlling The investigations into trump are in charge of the vaccines

And see to the ruling governs. It's all about how none of them take them Guaranteed guaranteed Robert Mueller and Rod Rosenstein do not take vaccines And believe me those two star generals they don't take them either But you know what your son or daughter in the military does You know what they're gonna try to force your kid to because they like to

Walk around and see your lower IQ and know all those cancer viruses have been implanted in you That's soft kill And that's a rod rose when he walks into congress smiling like little demon He's like have I stunned him enough? It's like a spider. Have I stunned my enemy enough for them to not be able to get me? He's like, you're all dead. That's why he's always smiling like that looking side to side because he's like a snake slithering in Who gross um, so rod Rosenstein is somehow giving you vaccines Uh, when I heard that the beginning of the second hour I was like Well, Alex is starting to cook with gas now

He's back I I would counter very quickly. Uh, if Alex went on vacation to uh, let's say the amazon or something along those lines He would be taking them malaria pills for a fun sake. Yeah But do you understand? Do you see what's going on the subtle difference in that clip as opposed to it being using His narratives that he has built up over the years to help defend trump He's using this investigation of trump to inform and enforce his vaccine narrative, right? It's taking the path It's the same street, but going the opposite direction down it, which is I think important Well, he's not he's not tying these these deep state people trying to destroy

Uh trump from the inside. He's going from this like They're they're they're doing it not just to destroy trump But to destroy all of you and who gives a shit if trump gets destroyed because they're still there Giving you all those vaccines. It's secondary. Exactly. Whereas before it would be primary Absolutely, and I know it's a fine point But I think it's important when considered in the larger context of the things that he's saying and the The slight but important variations of his narratives and language for sure I think it's something that'd be very easy to miss if you didn't spend all of your time studying alex jokes

Which I accept and understand is my bad or or listening to our show So, uh, I I heard that and I was like, hey man, okay, rod rosinstein, right? He's uh, he's doing this to us He's doing the vaccines. That's wild, but I still didn't have any specifics I didn't understand what alex was talking about doesn't that kind of suggest though that sessions was doing it first Since rod rosin's it's always the deputy. No, but rod rosin scene was the deputy attorney general while the Mueller probe was set up alex turned on uh sessions long ago. Oh, okay So sessions, so let's toss sessions in there too sessions is at best senile And at worst evil like alex hated sessions. Okay, uh, then we're good. Yeah, absolutely

Alex sessions was the first guy That alex loved in the trump administration because he liked sessions before trump and then he recused himself And that's why well not even then alex was still a little bit On the fence about him. Yeah, but then as time went on, uh, roger convinced him that uh sessions was evil And so he turned on this senator that he loved. He loved jeff sessions in the 2014 2015 time Absolutely, so it's interesting. You know all the betrayals all of the cutting people loose that's happened in alex's life because of roger stone It's now it's so interesting to look at. I know that I've already brought up all those names But like the the ashes that are left of alex's like team

It's kind of ironic that he's pulling a midnight massacre whilst the guy who worked and loves Nixon is going to prison. It's weird Um, so I didn't know what he was talking about about rosinstein because I have like I have no idea what connection He has to vaccines quite frankly. I think he's just the deputy attorney general. I bet he was vaccinated though probably I would bet you anything he got his vaccines growing up. So in this next clip alex spells it out for me And uh, man, this is weak Let me give you the big picture here, ladies and gentlemen Guess who sits over the vaccine damage court the secret court

It's not there's a secret or it's not secret. Who does he know about it? It's secret and who doesn't once they get you into their secret court So that you don't go file lawsuits in other courts Isn't that called arbitration? Because you can have Liability protection unless it's being done fraudulently and then the liability protection and the sovereign immunity is stripped So the sovereign immunity of the u.s. Government is saying We're going to make you go to a secret court that you've got to go through for years And then we decide once you've waived your rights if you're going to be paid any damages Guess who is behind it guess

Who is behind it euler colonel dawn to grand prix. Oh god damn it. Is he alive? No, he's dead damn it All right You're doing great work. Rod Rosenstein's sister Runs vaccines for children's program at the cdc does dc swamp connection ever So, uh, yeah, look smoking Alex is playing super fast and loose here trying to present the idea that rod rozenstein's sister dr. Nancy mesonye Uh, that's probably it's probably mesonye or whatever it appears to be from you had a you had a fun time mesonye

That she's in charge of or has anything to do with these vaccine courts Alex trying to present that image She does not in that clip we just heard alex is just reading a tweet posted by wane allen root Which links to a cdc website about the vaccines for children program Which is a part of the cdc's mission to provide free vaccines for children and low-income families This page in no way proves that rozenstein's sister is in charge of this program. Although maybe she is involved It's entirely possible But, uh, however, it's important to point out that the vaccines for children program has literally nothing to do with the vaccine court

Also, fun fact, wane allen root is a con man who wrote a book in 1989 about how to make money betting on sports And followed it up with books in 2004 and 2008 about how to win money and all sorts of gambling After obama was elected he took his grift to the political world and started writing about how obama wasn't a citizen Didn't go to columbia and was a secret marxist muslim He's since endorsed every horseshit conspiracy from the seph rich bullshit the nazis at charlottesville being Paid actors and all that stuff He also recently claimed that muller's investigation into trump isn't only happening because muller has a small dick Uh, and he's jealous of trump's very large dick suffice it to say

Root is a fucking idiot And alex is just reading a tweet. I didn't know more about trump's dick than i do I would prefer that. I I don't want to know anything about muller's dick either Right, let's let it go. So the what alex is reading off of here and his whole information is this wane allen root tweet That links to the cdc page for the vaccines for children program, which isn't the vaccine Court issue at all. He doesn't have a story about this. He doesn't have any reporting and it's word for word He's literally reading this tweet. Yeah, it's nothing. It's it's a zero So dr. Massonnier is on the uh the director for the national center for immunization and respiratory diseases

Which is a branch of the centers for disease control in her time there She's provided support and leadership towards a lot of initiatives to take care of preventable preventable diseases in the third world And has recently been on the forefront of the working on the rising incidents of acute flaccid myelitis or atf The condition that's similar to polio, but isn't polio That alex claims with no evidence is secretly polio and is being given to you by vaccines Of course the vaccine court that alex is talking about or the national vaccine injury compensation program Was created under the umbrella of the department of health and human services The same department that contains the cdc, but isn't run by the cdc

government departments are often often pretty rangy uh in terms of their operations And just because two things are in the same department and both have to do with vaccines Doesn't mean they're run by the same people I can find zero evidence that dr. Massonnier's involvement in the vaccine court is real And even if she were involved, I can find zero reason to care As we've discussed already the vaccine courts were not established to be a secret way to sweep dangers of vaccines under the rug And hide them from public scrutiny They were set up to be uh to be

To be better equipped to help the subset of people who do unfortunately suffer from the potential side effects of very important medicines They did this They made it simpler for them to get payments for these uh these side effects that they suffer from Because these families did deserve some consideration and payout But they never be able to get them in a real courtroom. It would just be impossible. Absolutely not To a certain extent side effects are inevitable pretty much every medication imaginable Human biology is infinitely complex. So the prospect of ever releasing a perfectly safe. No risk medicine is impossible A study in 2017 showed that taking an aspirin daily was linked to more than 3 000 deaths a year

Mostly due to the blood thinning side effect This is the case for a whole bunch of medications But they serve important purposes in the case of aspirin dramatically reducing the risk of heart attack in older people So the goal is to mitigate the risk of the side effect while preserving the benefit of the main purpose of the medication This is how sane people look at vaccines No one is saying that they're completely safe Just that the incidents of side effects are not commensurate with the benefit of us not having to deal with Extinction level threats from preventable diseases anymore. It's the greater good argument

It's not even just the greater good. I mean it's I mean it is utilitarian to some extent But it's not a hard choice even no no no no not it's not a 5 4 decision like the supreme court It's a uh 98 2 decision and not just that but the very fact that the vaccine court exists in the first place Is evidence that people give a shit. Yep. You know like it again This would never actually win in a no in a court. The burden of proof would be way too high Insanely high. That's the reason they created it. So they realized it's inevitable that of course this is going to happen These people do deserve some sort of compensation for it So there's either we can completely abandon them to the court system where they will get nothing

Or we can discontinue these drugs which will lead to infinitely more problems Or we could create a special thing where it's like we get it It sucks. I hate that it happened to you. I hate that some people get struck by lightning But we're here to help in some way. Yep. That's what we want to do The vaccine court was set up knowing damn well that the people who bring cases to it would never be able to prove that the vaccine in question definitively caused their child's illness or death So they've adjusted the standard of evidence required to successfully petition your case All the people who bring cases to the vaccine court all they're required to do is present a theory connecting the vaccine to the consequence

Show an appropriate an approximate timeline that links the two and show that there's not another plausible biological reason the injury or death happened It's a very low standard of proof and it's intentionally that way because they want to support the people who experience any possible side effects Without forcing them to actually prove any scientific causation which they could never do The only other important thing here to point out is that even in this court where the burden of proof is super low They don't generally accept cases where petitioners claim that vaccines caused autism in their children And have ruled that the theory that makes a causal connection between vaccines and autism is not proven and not appropriate in their courts Even in this world designed to provide relief to people who have been hurt by vaccines The argument alex puts forth doesn't meet their burden of proof

The easy burden of proof And rob rosenstein's sister has nothing to do with that court the court is overseen by nine members of the advisory commission on childhood vaccines Three of those members are from the general public with the requirement that to be legal parents or guardians of children Who have been affected by vaccine side effects three of the other Holy shit, that's brilliant three of the other members must be attorneys with relevant specialties for the court You know, they have to have experience in medical Definitely can't be alex jones's attorney the last three are health professionals appointed by the secretary of health and human services Who are specifically required not to be previous to being on this advisory board employees of the u.s. Government

A requirement that dr. Masoney. Yay definitely would fail to achieve These are the because she works for the cdc. Yeah, that's right. The cdc is part of the cover. Oh, I get it She couldn't be on this board. She literally could not have anything to do with this No, these are the only voting members of the committee that oversees the vaccine courts But the director of the national institutes of health the assistant secretary of health and human services The director of the cdc and the commissioner of the fda are non voting observational members of the committee They can't affect what happens, but they can be a part of like the discussion. Yeah Dr. Masoney is none of those things alex is profoundly lazy super dumb and reporting this based entirely on a tweet from wane allen root

Who gives a shit? It is a fun coincidence for him though. It's super nice, but it's not it's not even a coincidence No, no, no, no, I mean I mean just the fact words be true crazy. Oh no crazy coincidence I just mean the fact that Any anybody like rod rosinstein's sister works in the cdc right that works great for him It doesn't matter if it if it has any material effect. It's just like but he's got a could be a paralegal or something like that You know, it's always possible, but he has to shoot the moon by saying she's in charge of the court Restore, you know like it could be anything. Yeah, but she's there the cdc that works perfect But I honestly think that the the reason he's going too far with this and swinging a little too hard is he's not used to this

Yeah, he's getting back into the yeah, that's true like working his narratives working that muscle Right that connecting a to b to c and all that stuff like he doesn't do that much anymore It's all trump shit. He's been writing for a tv show for a year, but he hasn't gotten any stage time It's going to take a while to get back into that He's rusty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah slow also fun fact if you fit any of the qualifications Like if you're a lawyer who has like a medical experience If you're a parent of somebody who has the child has been affected by vaccines or if you are Healthcare professional who doesn't work for the government you can apply to be on the advisory commission like you can I found the application

In two minutes. Yeah, it's super easy commissioners serve three or terms So there might be a little bit of a wait But it's super easy for you to do and I do notice that the people who uh, you know Complained the most about vaccines never seem to talk about that and I don't think that they're applying But they I think they'd probably be rejected based on their views. Yeah If you were all three do you just get to be the court by yourself? Do you get to occupy three votes? Yeah, you you count for three votes, right? Yep, so alex is full of shit on this, but he talks about it some more

Um, and then accuses rosinstein, Muller and some other people of being spiders So remember rod rosinstein Pays out billions of dollars via his sister of your money to people whose daughters died from Gardasil or got paralyzed But then they get up on the news and have every news channel say there's no adverse reactions It's a conspiracy theory, but no amount of big capped mr. Ed teeth Will ever stop rosinstein from being someone that god Is going to punish vengeance belongs to the lord But now you understand the type of true bottom feeding spiders we're dealing with

These are even the spider leaders up front. They sneak around they capture you in a web They come in They inject you they liquefy you while you're tortured then they suck you dry And they sing a song to you while they do it Like spice yum yum time It's yum yum time. It's yum yum time I reject it look Anything from these people anything from these people. I'm not a i'm not a

Scientist i'm not a specialist in this and if there is a conversation to be had I would love to have it with the scientists But from any of these people the moment they say the word Gardasil all you are doing is being a misogynist piece of shit It seems that is what you are doing. It seems that that's a lot of the function of uh, whenever they bring it up But under the auspices and under the sort of uh, the mask the uh, the costume of concern for women Yeah, yeah, no, no, of course I don't want women to fuck. That's what Gardasil complaints are. There's there's some of that in there But you are not taking into account that when spiders eat you they sing it's yum yum time

It is yum yum time though. I have always assumed that that is an important piece of information that alex is bringing to the table That we didn't know before did you read spider? I did and it's true All spiders sing yum yum time That would be the best in like any time a scientist uh, a spiders. I just start talking about how there's that Oh, they're because of the writing rising flood levels the all these spiders create a super web in this tree and we've studied the uh, the uh, Frequency vibrations they make whenever they make a kill and start to eat and it's yum yum time. I didn't know that Physically proven. Here's what's great about this in the same in the same way that we didn't understand that uh, baby shark Ba ba ba ba ba ba that we didn't realize that was a real thing

I'm guessing yum yum time is probably like another thing that you think so who have kids no because alex has got a baby Yeah, that is some sort of thing that we just have no idea. It's like right millions of views on youtube yum yum time And I just think it's some stupid thing alex is saying about spiders. I guarantee that's what's going on Yum yum yum yum your time. He's just like I had to watch the kid a couple days ago yum yum time on the mind Anyway, his ex gobalax doubles down says that uh, rosenstein doesn't take uh vaccines He's sure of it and then we get to that issue that I told you to put a pen in right and I bet you all the tea in india I bet you all the cows in texas

I bet you all the fish in the sea Which see that mr. Rosenstein his sister don't take any vaccines Remember the headlines a few years ago german elite take clean vaccines Chinese communist leaders take clean vaccines. Oh vaccines can be real you can get immunity from them. They can be good But see they're putting other things in them. They've been caught doing it. We've gone from one 36 37 years ago Person in 30 000 having autism to one in 58 So hold on to some of these ideas because we'll get to them

But really keep in mind that he said a couple of years ago there were articles about clean vaccines Why is that important? Because there's no such thing as a quote clean vaccine. That's not that's not something that it's not a thing The idea that such a thing exists has been pushed for one explicit reason to imply that other vaccines are dirty and intentionally dirty The concept of a clean vaccine was heavily promoted by bot armies traced to russian operations according to reuters citing a tweet that uh read quote apparently only the elite get clean vaccines and what do we normal people get The accounts posting both pro and anti-vax messages such as those talking about clean vaccines

Designed to agitate people on both sides of the issue were run by individuals at the internet internet research agency Which was indicted by Mueller's investigation in february 2018 These messages that they were putting out from these bot accounts in order to agitate people on both sides Of the vaccine quote-unquote debate, right? Debates were during they were during the time frame that alex is talking about when do you remember when they were talking about clean vaccines It's almost certain that it was a result of this uh bot Influence yeah, like it almost because clean vaccines aren't real Uh, so an article about vaccines from the vaccine reaction blog

They had a blog post about mark zuckerberg getting his kids vaccinated In february 2016 provoked this response from a commenter quote. What did happen to paul walker? The dark net says he found out about critical information about the differences between dirty and clean vaccines Hold on what gonna blow the whistle and paul walker nearly removed from the picture Wait, was he too fast too vaccinated? Yes So this guy is bringing up dark web stuff and clean vaccines being responsible for uh, paul walker's death So you get to say these are the places that that term sort of pops up on the internet Whether it's through, uh, you know internet research agency sock puppet accounts or weirdos talking about paul walker's conspiracy death

Really emotionally affected by paul walker's death and i'm also An anti-vaxxer really an anti-vaxxer. How do I combine these two? Haha? Dark web One of the intrinsic issues we're gonna run into here is that alex intentionally doesn't ever really say what he thinks a Clean vaccine actually is and it can mean a whole bunch of different things depending on who you ask The term clean vaccine was used in 2011 to describe a vaccine that was being studied by researchers at the bio design institute at arizona state university They used that term not to differentiate it from other unclean vaccines

But because they were attempting a new procedure to create this vaccine They're trying to use salmonella as a quote cargo ship to deliver the vaccine to the entirety of a person's immune system Said salmonella stimulates a response from the entire body different, uh, different systems that other Cargo ships wouldn't stimulate. Damn it. Those people are fucking smart. Why does anybody listen to anti-vaxxers because it's complicated They were just do you hear what you just said? I do. That's brilliant That's genius. Like let's take this thing that's been killing everybody We know how it kills and what if we neutered it and put a vaccine in there That's genius and you're listening to jenny fucking mcgarde

That's exactly right. I mean it was referred to in an article about uh, this research As a clean vaccine because they had to clean or detoxify the salmonella There's being used in order to achieve the desired results. So genius I'm not sure where this research ended up or even if it made it through the further testing phases But it's irrelevant because it's the exact opposite of what alex is trying to present is what a clean vaccine means He's specifically using the term in a way that really only lines up with the idea pushed and promoted by these russian troll farms Which is probably a sign that alex doesn't do very deep research into the things he believes A lot of these fears, uh, trace back to the 1800s when vaccines were new and people were rightfully concerned about them because science hadn't evolved

past the level of the late 1800s Paid advertisements lombasted vaccines in the newspaper such as this ad from nebraska's publication the commoner from 1919 Quote what profit if your baby is if the god made blood is periodically tainted with pass vaccine These concerns were legitimate in the late 1800s and early 1900s because many vaccines back then were unsafe And regulating their production was nearly impossible. So there were way more instances of contamination Taking that mentality from about a hundred years ago Let's grab some cowpox and put it in a hand and then slap it on you But still worked better than a lot of other things

It still worked better than it's so many others But taking that mentality from about a hundred years ago and thinking that you're in the same circumstances now is really fucking stupid A 2014 study published by the Yale journal of biology and medicine reviews articles and ads about vaccination in papers from 1915 To 1922 in an attempt to understand the phenomenon of vaccine skepticism Whereas many people believe that the discredited and retracted wakefield study that linked Vaccinations and autism they believe that that's been responsible for igniting the passions of well-meaning but misguided parents And led them into this new movement against vaccines. The reality is quite different the rhetoric and concerns of the anti-vax crowd in our modern society almost

Entirely mirrors the concerns expressed by their predecessors in the early 1900s That's because we've evolved so much since then sure the difference is that back then vaccines were a new idea And everybody intuitively thought it was dumb to give someone a disease to stop them from getting the same disease Right, of course the authors of that study traced down The big commonalities that characterized vaccine skepticism over the course of the last hundred years and found that in both time periods in 1915 to 1922 and in the modern time It boiled down to rhetoric about contamination distrust compulsion the idea of being forced to take a vaccine and a locality the idea that vaccine skepticism tends to

occur in pockets geographically All of the ideas that had some merit in the early days of vaccines do not anymore And it's fascinating and sad to realize that what motivates anti-vaccination Rhetoric and movements in the present day is legitimately just ignorance of the fact that we haven't Uh Stayed the same over the last hundred years, you know, and that reminds me so much of the way that people treat uh, any kind of uh climate science now they're they're like Oh, oh, so they say that all of this high percentage of scientists agree that uh climate change is happening

But you know what back in the 1500s all the scientists agreed that The earth was flat or blah blah blah like the new head of the epa is a fucking right but That is discounting the fact that our science is also built on the back of that Like everything has been built on the back of that the reason that the consensus what came before informs What comes next we are still aware of that like yes medical science 150 years ago was less uh Based upon a good consensus because there was no Uh general standardized research level. There was no

General standardized idea of how it is that things are supposed to go and as time has moved on more and more Sophisticated things have made a consensus almost unassailable as opposed to being something that should be suspect but again Almost unassailable is also a part of science is also part of science, right? So, I mean 100 percent that is uh like it's but if you read this study, uh in this research paper It's so depressing to see like that because you like to imagine that it is all just a movement That's popped up because of this right of discredited autism study Of course that linked vaccinations and shit and it's not it's not it's something that's been going on

Sense vaccinations came around and it's just It's just a intuitive ignorance that people reinforce with bad Bad science and terrible arguments and we see the same thing. It's just refusal. It's the protocols of the elders of Zion It's those same narratives popping up over and over and over again with different enemies Yeah, now alex isn't wrong about the idea that diagnoses of children on the autism spectrum have gone up considerably in the past years I would guess he's fudging the numbers a little bit But I don't really care about that necessarily because what's behind his numbers is far more important and that's the misuse of statistics He's arguing that an increase in the number of autism spectrum diagnoses means that more people are on the autism spectrum

But he has literally nothing to prove that other than claim that vaccinations are to blame The problem is he can't prove that and no one has despite a loud chorus of denialists The evidence is pretty well settled that vaccines have no causal link to the onset of ASD It's just not the yet. No one's proved that There's a simple explanation for why the rate is going up and dr. Max witznitzer a pediatric neurologist lays it out very clearly quote We're getting better at identifying under identified populations. So it's not as if the numbers are rising It's more that everyone is getting everyone is going to the number that it should be

One of the things that experts will tell you is that ASD diagnoses are quite Until quite recently were overwhelmingly white children. This was something that puzzled doctors So they studied the demographic patterns and found that quote ASD prevalence tends to be higher among residents of neighborhoods Where higher socioeconomic status is there these residents are more likely to have access to quality health care Yeah, there you go The access to quality health care is a large piece of this as is the racist way some diagnoses can be made Behavior that might be treated as a medical condition in a white child until fairly recently would often be deemed Delinquency if the same behavior manifested being done by a black child greater awareness of these invisible biases

As well as attempts to provide quality health care for larger numbers of people has naturally led to better diagnostic processes And along the way that has led to a jump in the number of diagnoses But not necessarily a jump of the actual people who exist on that spectrum exactly like it's what it's saying is Yes, so now you say It was one in 400 and now it's like one in 58 Well back then it was one in 58 white kids and in That's not even perfect and it was one in 58 black kids were just being bad all the time Like yes, of course. Yep. I mean a lot of that is what is behind the uh, the the the shifting numbers

Or the the perceived increase and if you if you actually, you know, read from doctors who uh, Who have studied this and know what they're talking about? It's pretty easy to explain Yep, the the statistical jump and it's not because Globalists are poisoning vaccines. Well, I mean you talk about the the under diagnosis of autism and women and you go back so long and it's just like Well women are just different like that was always the diagnosis for so long It was like why is it that autism is only diagnosed in male children for forever? And it's because you're uh being fucking misogynistic like at the end of the day

You're you're unwilling to sure contend with the idea that women are Institutional problems. Yeah You know until fairly recently we weren't making the right kind of progress on those things Exactly But all of this is to say that alex is jumping headlong back into like trying to be earlier alex jones It's fascinating and when I heard him say this it made me even more convinced He's rusty, but trying to be himself again So they got hundreds of vaccines that aren't even vaccines that they want to put in your body

And they're just seeing how many people they can kill in main before you do anything Because they know you'll statistically give in to them You'll statistically adapt to everybody dying around you and it's accepted. This is the mass calling true It's going on right now ladies and gentlemen You've been targeted Diet injections and injunctions Will make a rebellion of the proletariat like a rebellion of sheep against the practice of eating mutton

Mutton the sheep That's birch and rustle You got one of the main architects of this. I'm gonna say it again birch and rustle diet Injections and injunctions Birch and rustle globalists giving you bad food giving you injections flora q and injunctions the courts Diet injections and injunctions will make a rebellion by the proletariat As impossible as that of sheep against the practice of eating mutton

This is old school alex shit, man This isn't a fair quote alex is using here alex is just taking the beginning of one sentence and attaching it to the end of A different sentence in an effort to paraphrase Bertrand Russell's passage from his book the impact of science on society to serve as purposes the full quote is quote Gradually by selective breeding the congenital differences between rulers and the ruled will increase until they become almost different species The revolt of plebs would become as unthinkable as the organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton This has nothing to do with diets injections and injunctions Those words are found two paragraphs earlier alex could have just used the earlier sentence

But he wanted that sheep and mutton thing in there since it's the only part of the quote He actually remembers he could have just used the later sense But it didn't include the word injections and injunctions Which is really what he wants to talk about here with his vaccination shit Thus he had to combine the two which is a little bit dishonest All this doesn't matter though since he's completely twisting birch and rustle's words to a point where this should constitute slander As we discussed when alex brought up this passage in endgame This book is based on lectures that bertrand russell gave in the early 1950s

And the chapter alex's pulling quotes from is a discussion of the horrors that could have befall in the world had the nazis won World war two or if some similarly evil government were to operate on a purely scientific basis with no regard for citizens individual rights This is explicitly something he does not want to see come to pass the context is very very clear if you actually read the book We already covered this in depth and so there's no real utility in doing it again past just reminding people of that but I made a point of drawing attention to this because It's one of so many signs on this episode the old alex is waking up from his trump coma Yeah, this is him trying to bring endgame shit back like he it's more real than in other ways, man It's more real than he's done in other 2018 2019 episodes that we've looked at where there's like a flicker

Of something from the past or whatever. This is so much like I want to I want to go home I want to go back. This is the tin man screaming oil can't yep. Yep. It's awesome. Oh also by the way You are a little bit off Bertrand Russell was a hundred percent a globalist. Oh, no, no, I know. Oh, okay. Jesus I thought you were trying to insinuate that he wasn't one of the end conclusions of that book Yeah, the impact of science on society is like Well, we can probably pull things off if there's a world government that's benevolent But we're not talking about globalist in the like yes, Bertrand Russell was absolutely globalist. He was not a

Globalist with with scare quotes on it. That's that's my point. He wasn't the capital g global. Yeah. Yeah, exactly So I'm seeing all this stuff. He was just brilliant. I'm seeing all this stuff I'm seeing meat on the table to eat and seeing this it's kind of fun Also, we're seeing these indications that alex is kind of sick of roger and trump and wants wants to put him aside Then alex says this he's trying to make more arguments about vaccines being bad And man We could have done a six hour episode just going over all the like sort of run of the mill anti-vax arguments But I don't think there's much use in that

I would much rather talk about things like this that are shining examples of how fucking stupid alex jones is And how badly he makes these arguments And they tell him well, there are some side effects, but for the greater good Civilization has been built by this. No, he's talking about like doctors who are told that they should support vaccines right doctors with borders, right? No That seems had nothing to do with it. It was all running water and sanitation and washing of clothes and screen doors That's you look at the numbers all over the industrialized world when industrialization happens. That's when the disease stops spreading

That's green coming back when it's by the 60s some of those diseases go back up. They got rid of their screen doors Australia the u.s. Or work Become industrialized you're running water sanitation Disease goes like this infectious disease then vaccines come back it starts going back up Most of the stuff you get today is from illegal aliens or the vaccines Actually giving it to you looking up to yourself. Okay. I'm done. Okay. I looked it up. Holy shit Alex is swinging for the fences with this one I can kind of see the argument he's trying to make here and it may sound kind of good sort of but it's terrible

Sure screen doors made it so mosquitoes couldn't fly into your house and give you malaria or dengue fever Problem is the screen door wasn't invented until 1887 which is a bit after the industrial revolution It took us a long time to get to the screen door. Yeah, that's a pretty big indictment Some windows screens were created before this but they weren't immediately widely available for consumer use Handwashing is hugely important in terms of health, but the timeline doesn't work out there either Ignat schimelwies. I was about to bring up ignat schimelwies. Yep. He got He formulated some of the theories about handwashing in 1846 and florence nightingale and all over wendell homes did also a few years later But their ideas were not popular mostly because doctors felt like they were being blamed for contaminating patients

And at that time they believed that water itself was the source of infections and diseases along with foul odors called It wasn't until louis pasture performed some formal experiments in the mid 1860s That people began to take germ theory a little bit more seriously The cdc didn't even exist until 1946 and according to a retrospective published by the world health organization In the united states actual hand hygiene guidelines weren't even published or enforced until 1981 Prior to that point most of the public discussion about handwashing being sanitary was done in soap advertisements Not because they thought it would protect customers But because they thought it was a fear-based way that they could move more product

Man ignat schimelwies is one of the most tragic Figures with a really good idea. He was he and not just that but in the medical community He was one of the first guys to really start applying double blind studies and and actually Uh treat things scientifically like one of the big things that he did was just like Guys we're going directly from an autopsy to a child birthing center All of our midwives are not killing these pregnant women and all of our doctors are killing these pregnant women Let's think about this and then later. He died of sepsis the very disease that he was fighting against so tragic irony It's so ironic. I i'm so sad for him poor guy. Yeah, let's give him a medal

Uh shout out schimelwies Generally speaking the industrial revolution is considered to be the period between 1760 and 1840 And it was a period of rampant disease and death One of the reasons for this was that urbanization out Outpaced advances in sanitation and outbreaks of things like cholera cholera were super common Because of how easy it was for water to be contaminated in these newly urban areas And how people were living in far greater density than they were before Communicable diseases went absolutely nuts

It's estimated that tuberculosis killed one third of everyone who died in the united kingdom between 1800 and 1850 because the conditions brought out on by the industrial revolution serious researchers and historians are pretty uniformly behind the idea that industrialization has had been a driver towards diminished health conditions One of the things that most uh devastated newly urbanized areas during the industrial revolution was smallpox It was so contagious and had a history of completely destroying worlds Spanish and portuguese explorers introduced it to the new world and that pretty much spelled death for the Aztecs and the Inca It's a seriously fucked up dangerous disease. It said that in the 18th century

400 000 people died from it every year in europe and the fatality rate for children who contacted it was reported at between 80 and 98 percent depending on what country in europe they they got it in that's a bummer That's a lot. That's a bummer. Everyone knew that once you got smallpox and survived you couldn't get it again People knew that going back to approximately 430 bce, but no one really knew how to treat it in the early 1600s a dr. Snidham advocated patients, uh, quote, uh Allowed no fire in the room leave windows permanently open Draw the bed clothes no higher than the patient's waist and administer 12 bottles of small beer every 12

Every 24 hours that sounds very plenty the elderly. Yeah, don't pull up your pants. Yeah open the window and get drunk This didn't work. I I don't I how could you trust a man with snide in his name? That that's just not possible in 1796 a doctor named Edward Jenner decided to start experimenting with seeing if he could figure out how to prevent smallpox Biology had always been of interest to him and when he was younger He'd known some milkmates who believed that because they'd come down with the less severe cowpox that they would never get smallpox This chance interaction that he had when he was younger sparked an idea in his mind and he began experimenting with cowpox This would eventually lead to him inventing vaccination

Which he named after cowpox as the latin word for cow is vaca. Yeah In 1798 he published his findings, which were literally a prevention for cowpox But the medical community was not fast to get on board in 1799 However, Jenner conducted a study to Determine if having survived cowpox and developing an immunity for cowpox had an impact on immunity to smallpox He proved his hypothesis and thus his cowpox vaccine was now in effect a smallpox vaccine as well The work was far from done. For instance at the time They had no way of knowing how long a vaccine would protect someone for so refinements had to be made along

The way, but Jenner was responsible for a huge step in medical progress that saved hundreds of thousands of lives The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was recorded in Somalia in 1977 and that would not have been possible without Edwin Jenner or Edward Jenner and his cowpox vaccine Alex and talk a lot of shit about screen doors all he fucking wants But he isn't saying anything if you look at just the case of measles According to peer reviewed studies published in the journal of the american medical association The measles vaccine was not licensed in the united states until 1964 Prior to that point the incidence of measles was 300 cases per 100 thousand

After introducing the vaccine by 1982 the rate fell to 1.3 cases per 100 thousand You see this trend very clearly as it relates to other vaccine preventable conditions The science is very clear Now when you want to talk about the idea that you introduce the vaccine and rates can also go up That's a part of the science too because as you know as we discuss here in this path through uh, Edward Jenner in his uh, his smallpox vaccine As you're creating this you don't know if it's going to be a permanent immunization Or if it's going to wear off and you have to get a booster shot down the road

How could you you wouldn't know unless you could you yeah, or there are instances where you know Some gets contaminated or something like that. Yeah, you trigger an outbreak. Yeah, and that's not the vaccine's fault That's the process's fault. Yeah, so there's ways that you can twist statistics all you want But when you really get down to the bottom of it handwashing is not responsible for that although it does help Timelines off screen doors helps not getting more malaria and dengue fever does help but the timelines off and uh Sure running water is cool too The industrial revolution is the literally the worst thing that you could use as an argument for that bringing down disease

Yeah, the idea that elix is suggesting that just It baffles me, but this is this is the same kind of confusion that I get from 2009 This is the kind of thing you're so excited somewhat this is but that's the kind of thing that you expect to hear from him back then Like what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Like Now we just be like trump wants to stop all of it all this stuff all the stuff that i'm complaining about not like the industrial revolution Solved everything. Yeah, it would be like hey vaccines are giving you x y and z They're gonna turn your kid to a mute and trump is going to give you the Restorative cures that all the globalists have been hiding. Yeah, that's what it would have been before now. He's the industrial revolution

It's it's it never fails to fascinate me that how how the How the trend of history winds up going where it's constantly like oh, we We solved this problem, you know like when you're talking about the uh great depression when you talk about how they increase the marginal tax rates and they broke down Uh so much of income inequality and that uh led to a period of uh, you know sustained growth And then they forgot why the great depression happened the generation that lived through it died and They forgot the lesson and so they went right back to all the same shit that in the same way vaccines

When you talk about getting rid of smallpox the last recorded case of small Smallpox naturally occurring the last recorded naturally occurring case happened 50 years ago or 40 40 years ago uh and Then we forgot that the only reason that hundreds of thousands of people aren't dying every year Is because of vaccines. Yep. So these vaccinator people these anti big No, I'm sorry. So these anti-vax people come up because they're like see we never had Eight of our 12 children die of smallpox Right, but then in order to like refine the argument once you realize like oh, that is the reality

You then have to attack vaccines is having something in them That's bad, which is where you create the clean vaccine idea And we go we go back to that if you're prepared for a problem That's because you're going to cause the problem. So if the problem happens It's because you weren't prepared for it and it's always your fault and we needed another industrial Have you come in and going? Yeah. So that's interesting. I enjoy all this. It's a lot of fun But it's not nearly as fun as this next ad read that alex is doing Oh, we're doing an ad where I would say that there is a trend happening where alex's ad reads

The first one we heard earlier was a little passive aggressive. Now. They're turning into like direct threats Listen I've gotten to the point where I'm so focused on this information that you noticed I'm not plugging out as much as I used to and if I don't plug we're not gonna have a show But you know what that's just the way it is I mean, I I mean, I'm gonna say it's up to you But if if people don't know how great our products are and how amazing they are How much you need them and if folks don't want to pile in there and and get them

That's the signal to me that you want george soros and hillary clinton and all them to have full control and rod rosenstein's sister Running the vaccine propaganda bureau and the secret payouts to dead kids You know, she's going to have her way with your kids rod rosenstein's dirt bag buck tooth demon sister So, you know, that's what it comes down to if you want these buck toothed pieces of crap to have their way with you then go ahead Because we've got the very best products everyone needs our x3 That's a threat if you don't donate to knowledge fight if you don't go to our website and kick and kick and click the support The show button. I will tell you what's going to happen right now

That tells me that tells me that you want alex jones to win if you don't tell your friends about knowledge fight That tells me that you want people to like jones That's the truth So gross man It's just it's just weird gross too, you know It's a threat that's threatening. Yeah, it's if you don't give me enough money to my satisfaction Whatever that might be the vague idea of whatever I think you should be giving me Yeah, if tithing, of course if x number is not achieved

That's an indication to me that you want to be raped by the devil. Yeah, so Enjoy, I've tried to save you for the last 23 years. I've been on air But you're not giving me money and that means, you know what? Maybe I don't know. Fuck you. Fuck you buck tooth demons are coming It's wild. It's wild. That's a that's a different tone. It's a there's been panic before but not like a direct threat I've not heard him do like threatening threatening Ad pivots. I like it. I do too if you don't wear fucking diamond gusset jeans Do you know what you want? You want your balls to be eaten by mosquitoes because that's what happens when you wear other fucking

Because they don't have the diamond gusset. They don't have the diamond gusset in the crotch You put a diamond in the crotch and you eat it most. That's right Um, so that's the end of the 28th. That's the end of monday and we'll go on to tuesday And I think it's really I think I think these trends continue in a super interesting way And it's it's a lot. There's a lot of content and this is a real pain in my ass preparing this episode Stretching out over these three days But I think it's worth it because the narrative plays out on sunday You see the kernels of it the beginning of alex being kind of fed up and wanting

Yearning for something else on monday You see him start to talk about my identity isn't fucking roger stone at donald trump and do an almost entire show Where he just goes fucking vaccines Uh and barely defends trump in any way like really not much trump defense So then we get in on tuesday on the 29th And alex has an interview with roger stone at the beginning of the show because roger had just gone And pled not guilty. Yeah, and he tried to do a little press conference afterwards and he got booed again And alex is not happy about that either

That is really starting to piss alex off Because the optics of it are very difficult the idea that roger keeps getting booed everywhere Eventually people are not gonna like they're not going to go like oh, yeah, that is all globalist Enemy of the people fake news media. They're gonna be like, huh people really don't like this guy Yeah outside of inforce. It seems like everybody thinks that guy's an asshole Huh is everybody wrong? Huh, so anyway alex has this interview and it's exactly the same thing that we saw in our monday episode Where alex is mostly preoccupied with the idea of this being a world exclusive

Of course that seems to be what is really driving him here trying to talk to roger Talk about tomorrow's news today. Ladies and gentlemen roger stone Is giving us the world exclusive after his arraignment There were hundreds of cameras and reporters out front just 30 minutes ago when he came out But he was shouted down from the giant throng of reporters and a huge Stand of more than 40 microphones They screamed you're a russian agent. You're going to prison lock him up They did not want him to have his free speech to defend himself

And so oh and shroyer and roger were ready to make statements their co-host about the attack on the first amendment But that was stopped even worse than what happened when he got out of the jail there in florida on his own reconnaissance bond last friday And last saturday morning So again, ladies and gentlemen roger stone is here to give us this world exclusive It's hard to Square that with the fact that roger's been on every fucking show that'll have him on

It's even harder to square that with how earlier in the show roger said that earlier that morning on tuesday He had been on mancow's show and mancow says hello So the idea that he had been on world exclusive. He had been on mancow's show earlier He'd been on fox news all over the place He promotes that he's going to be on laura ingram while he's on alex's show This is there's no exclusivity to this and i think it's really pissing alex off I think he's really getting frustrated that roger does now have other I have a news he can go down when alex got sued by the sandy hook families

He couldn't go on tucker carlson. He couldn't go on hanity. They wouldn't have him on to defend himself Nope, but now roger stone's the hottest item in town. He's welcome on all the fox news shows He's he's able to go wherever he wants. He can go to mancow mullers place. Ooh. I think they're related Jesus so alex is starting to get this like you can feel it in him this bubbling of like It's motherfucker. I keep trying to say that it's exclusive and he knows that he needs more than I can provide him He's going he's working across purposes in the wrestling business. They call it going into business for yourself roger is going into business for himself in the middle of the match right here what we're witnessing is a match They're a tag team and roger is basically going into business for himself. Gotcha

He's he's twisting the script of what they're supposed to be doing and alex is just like holding the bag It's it's very very clear It I love it. It's kind of Unfortunate that alex hasn't fired roger Because that seems like this episode I'm not saying he does But alex does say something that implies that this shit isn't done. Yeah, um, but before he gets there We see even more pieces

Of alex from the past waking up as if in a slumber as if out of the twilight His eyes are flickering open back again. The sleeping giant has awoken He starts to talk about these sources that he used to talk about all the time these pre trump era sources Yeah, that he had that we haven't heard about in a long time when I was growing up And I was hearing people that have been in the military as officers and people would have been fbi and all these other places Not in pencil pushing and paper pushing areas, but you know real on the ground stuff I always heard

And I always thought it was weird not true Because I was a kid nobody ever tried to sexually touch me Uh, what that the establishment was obsessed with raping and killing children And there was a whole secret government worldwide That entry into the club meant you had to kill children or at least rape them And then as I got older And I'm sitting there having dinner with general benton k parton former head of air force weapons development Head of the harp program guy that developed super secret space space weapons. I mean it doesn't get more

More influential than him to the top engineer over huge clandestine programs And I've interviewed stubblebine head of black ops everybody else and they've confirmed it all as well stubblebine stubblebine I've even interviewed uh don de grand prix. He's bringing up these old dudes who used to be such a part of things Yeah, we've encountered general stubblebine on this podcast Thanks to his 2015 appearance with his wife dr Rima labo where the two of them tried to sell 30 dollar

Laminated cards to get people out of being vaccinated. They're laminated. They were laminated Then they expressed a bunch of bullshit white genocide narratives and it got real real gross real fast. Yeah Here's the thing Stubblebine had a long and storied career in the military services that spanned 32 years from 1952 to 1984 You may be asking yourself why you left the military in 1984 Seems like if you're in for 32 years, you wouldn't leave unless you had to turns out he had to In 1980 general albert stubblebine started to get a little bit weird. We need to fight the birds This was the result of him reading the first earth battalion operations manual a book written by a guy named jim channon

That was packed to the gills with project camalot style new age nonsense He was advocating for creating a class of warrior monks in our army that had special abilities Which would obviously give us a leg up against the ussr. I don't think he's wrong general stubblebine took that ball and ran with it Creating a project to investigate psychic warfare that ran between 1981 and 1984 He's the man who stares at goats He attempted to train soldiers to turn themselves invisible and walk through walls as well as remote view any place in the world None of these efforts were successful in anything other than being the basis of john ronson's book that my new stare It goes. Yep. I didn't realize that that was albert stubblebine. You didn't realize that that was him

You didn't know that that was no, you know, it's crazy That was the I did know that That is because I've read that fucking book. He's not the main character in the book or anything But he is the guy who tries to walk through walls. Yeah So in 1984 though, he has i'm a fan of john ronson. He's really fun. He's really good in 1984 though He had literally zero success for three years at creating super soldiers. He was not drummed out of the military for that It turns out that in order to train these super soldiers general stubblebine had been letting civilian psychics into the sensitive compartmentalized information facilities

Which is a crazy violation of security protocol, especially he was psychic. It was kicked out for that There's no way that alex could have talked to stubblebine except for after all of that considering alex was 10 years old in 1984 stubblebine was also never the head of black ops As for benton k parton alex only knows him because that dude was a big oklahoma city in waco truther back in the 90s parton did have a long career in the air force serving 31 years before retiring in 1978 Unfortunately, that makes it pretty much impossible for him to be involved in harp seeing as that project didn't start until 1993 From 1988 to 1989 he served as a special assistant to the head of the federal aviation association But his role was mostly about the implementation of the new gps systems and matters of fAA policy not with creating a gigantic weather weapon

alex knows that now benton k parton is dead so is stubblebine So why not exaggerate their resumes? It's kind of a shame because outside of some of the More colorful pieces of their resumes. They both did have long careers that don't need exaggeration You don't need to claim that stubblebine was the head of black ops. I mean you could just say It's in the fucking military for 32 years You don't need to lie about benton k parton being a part of harp You could just talk about his illustrious 31 year career in the air force. Hey alex. Uh, this is jordan from chicago I just want to check in. How's uh general stubblebine doing? He's dead died in 2017. All right. Well, I think you're doing a great job

I'm gonna let you go. Yeah So you see that though like these are things that existed previous to trump and they're starting to make a reemergence And he has another one. He has another little piece of uh narrative from uh earlier days We have the former defense secretary michael Cohen that's not his name Say we have earthquake weapons. We have tectonic weapons. We have we have Weather weapons and other people have weather weapons but see

I'm the bad guy. You see because I told you first about it and we had the meteorologist on about it It's incredible Yeah, their secretary defense speaks out about earthquake weapons I like earthquake weapons. Don't believe me. Just type it in Just type it in you can actually go watch the video of the defense department of him pull it down I typed it in Uh alex jones here is reporting that william cohen not michael cohen right legitimate secretary of defense under bill clinton held A press conference where he admitted that they had earthquake weapons

If he's out there admitting that that is what they have What kind of terrifying shit do they have that they don't talk about at press conferences? The mind reels be very afraid Order in for war's products today. That sounds right So in reality what alex is talking about is a speech that secretary cohen gave on april 28th 1997 Which is part of a conference on terrorism weapons of mass destruction and u.s strategy In all fairness to alex Uh cohen does bring up earthquake weapons in all fairness to reality cohen brings them up as an example of something that doesn't exist

The full context of his quote is that he is asked uh quote Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in washington And what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that sort of thing at benay brith Referring to a package that arrived at the jewish service organization that was initially thought to be a chemical weapon Cohen's response was this quote. Well, it points out the nature of the threat It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances But as we've learned in the intelligence community We had something called and we have james wolsey here to perhaps even address the question about phantom moles

The mere fear here is that Say the words phantom moles one more time those star star wars. We have phantom moles. The phantom mole menace All right The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that Particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even in a search The same thing is true about the false scares of a threat of someone using some kind of chemical weapon or biological one There are some reports for example that some countries have been trying to construct something like an ebola virus And that would be a very dangerous phenomenon to say the least

Alvin toffler is written about in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens That would be ethnic specific so they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races Others are designing some sort of engineering Some kind of insect that could destroy specific crops Others are engaging even in an eco type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate set off earthquakes volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves He's talking about potential weapons But the context of these potential weapons are as examples of false threats that they've received reports about

It's the sort of thing that you can't not take seriously right if you're in the intelligence community You get some sort of report about this sort of thing, but it's not real right alex is profoundly fucking stupid Well, there's so many times where you saw during the cold war rush would be like we have lasers And then america would be like we have but and then uh russia would be like well We have anti-b, and then america would be like we have anti anti-b busting anti-buzz, you know There's a lot of posturing that goes on in uh in terms of geopolitical It's to yeah, it's to force you to account for something that is literally unaccountable You can really hurt your enemy by pretending

You have a weapon that forces them to spend billions of dollars trying to find a way to protect themselves from that weapon And at the same time it's part of uh, the fucking each other over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah The age old game this information is necessary for both enemies and i like uh What what the most famous story i can think of off the top of my head is um The british spread that idea of carrots improve eyesight right right right in order to Distract from the fact that they were using radar. Yeah, you know like it was that kind of like oh, it's this um That's the reverse but the same principle exactly. Yeah hiding whatever technology you have art of war bullshit

Yeah, yeah, you always want to have a vagueness whether it's a a perceived greater threat or a perceived lesser capability In order to get people off your trail and if you read that entire interview that cohen did It's very clear from the context that he's talking about stuff that we don't have There's there's like reports that are false that people do have them. Yeah So alex using that is his big like example of like they got weather weapons. They can make Earthquakes It's like man get do better can't do that can't do it based on that So in this next clip, uh alex is just getting into his like just Just where he's at and where he's at is

I think internally he recognizes that he's sold out But he's really mad about it. Yeah, so he's got to talk about how he'll never sell out There's this weird given there's this push and pull that's going on inside his soul where he's like I need to make up for having sold out right like going back to my roots in some ways But at the same time if I recognize that I've sold out I can never go back right so I Which is again something that we talked about So long ago. I know we talked about this. We talked about all of this as hypothetical things. Yeah as far as now It's happening as far as prophetic predictions all of it weird the whole time. We're like

He can do this, but he can't do that. Like there's certain things you can't accept in terms of owning Like alex and there's some things he just can't and one of them is selling out and he would never I will not sell out to death I will not sell out and molest children to be part of the club. I will not do it. You're disgusting Okay, oh, it's just just unbelievable. We're gonna go to break. Um, listen I'm just gonna tell us or something right now. I think our best products our body's ultimate turmeric. What the fuck? Yep, I will never sell out. I won't sell out to death I do need you to give me money for these products that are bullshit that I sold out to

I also really like the flat delivery of I will not sell out to death. I will never sell out to death I will never sell out to death just emotionless. Um, so up to this point I think that uh, I've been making a case that alex is Going back to his roots and I think that there's been some indications of it. I have also been making a case that he's Really doing the first step of getting the fuck away from roger Yeah, and up to this point. I don't think that I've proven that case necessarily But I will in this next clip. All right, I've got all these employees and all this crew and I've got all my lawsuits I'm fighting that are way more money than rogers paying. It's not some competition here

But I'm kind of fighting a two-front war with roger Influences become a platform to sit there promote fundraising for his his his his issues When I gave roger a job here, which is great and he's paid and then it also becomes This this this split where we may not get the funds to fund info wars Because the 24 7 roger stone fundraising because people then split it and say well, we'll just give him a donation instead of info wars I'm gonna have a talk with him about that because we can win the battle lose the war here Because of that. So I hope people do support roger, but info wars has a build Let's not exaggerate at least 10 times what roger stones is. Okay

And so And he's bringing in as much money as we're bringing in right now and that's great. That's all fine and dandy. Sure I have a hundred employees I have all the bandwidth bills and all the equipment and I sent security up with roger and reporters up there and that cost money Uh, and so I'm not bitching or complaining. I'm gonna have to make some decisions around here on a bunch of fronts Um, about layoffs, you know laying paul watson off laying roger stone off people that are paid more around here I mean, I'm just told I've told him point blank too. I mean, that's where this is headed If we don't get the support and add people don't want to support us. That's fine

You don't think it's fine, but that I also I think that there's I think there's a truth in terms of roger In terms of paul. I don't think that's true. I think that's the advertising cover That's to cover for him saying I'm gonna have to lay off roger stone. Yeah I'm gonna have to lay off roger stone And so I'm gonna add in some people that I'm never gonna lay off paul is an essential employee Who are maybe comparable so i'm like Alex can't do this without paul. No, there's no way so no Like if the day that paul joseph watson leaves is the day everything falls apart

In terms of enforce he can't he and buckley would never let him fire paul no matter what So I don't believe that but it isn't I think that Alex is expressing something sincere and that is that like Unless you motherfuckers give me a bunch of money. I'm going to lay. I'm gonna have to lay people off That's just the reality of this because we aren't going to be able to We're a fucking we're a fucking podcast slash radio show now. We're not even if i'm getting dark money It's not gonna make up for the eight lawsuits. I'm facing and like The chickens coming home to roost are super expensive to feed. So like it there is that and I believe that's true What I also believe is true is that alex is really pissed off

That some of the donations that could be going to him are going to roger 100 24 hour roger stone Defense thing here is really cutting into my bottom line. I got a business to run And you know what I got to talk to roger about this quite frankly Hold on a second. He's not even giving me exclusives. He went on man cow before my show. What the fuck I am both paying roger stone And advertising for roger stone's legal defense fund and now he is siphoning money away from me That could be given to me. It's probably the first time in like the last three years that roger stone has been a financial Um

The deficit to him. Yeah, like before there were like and as we all know that is the single most important thing Yeah, absolutely once there isn't green in it then what are we doing? Uh, uh, so alex expresses this even more It just deteriorates as the show goes on That's what i'm saying is i'm sick of just being associated with donald trump and roger stone He's probably sick of being associated with me and by that i'm not it's not bad to be associated with donald trump It's that that's all i become associated with not Being right about screen time. You're doing this for yourself being right about how you're being spied on being right about the world government being right about everything

Why doesn't everyone why do people recognize i'm right about everything? All they do is think i'm associated with roger stone and trump because of everything i've done for the last three years It's like you do everything possible to cement yourself as the guy who's associated with roger stone and donald trump for three years And then people think that's all you are right. There's so much more to me like what i did before and abandoned in order to do this thing Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, remember when i guys guys. Do you know what this is? This is so much guys guys you remember when i used to be great. Yeah, it definitely wasn't glory day. He is It definitely wasn't my glory days Uh in this next clip

This is the last one where he's talking about roger and i think that this Like just listen to his fucking tone. This is like this is so frustrated and over it. He's just over it I'm saying this is how the globalist engage you Set up these false fights We're now we're going to spend half our time Defending roger on a fake indictment in a major war for the whole country and our children fighting the pedophiles Now everything in info wars will become this stupid case and this stupid judge and stupid muller Instead of just warning people. Hey read what's in your tap water read what's in the vaccines

Hey, find out about the new world order. Hey find out about the big picture. You see what i'm saying I do see what you're saying I don't think that there's any way if alex was still committed to this whole thing He would be like this stupid case Half of my fucking time is going to be have to be spent defending roger about this stupid bullshit Like he's put upon to a point where it's like this isn't cutting it anymore. I'm done This isn't this is a strong indication to me roger's

Done roger done with info roger This is both an indictment of your uh legal standing and an indictment of your character from me. Yeah, and uh I'm out So I don't feel great about this And I don't think it says anything really positive about me But I've put in my time with alex jones and I believe that I have a unique ability to understand him Everything I hear being put forth from him in the aftermath of roger stone getting indicted when he's had time to actually read the The stuff and and you know sleep on it. Uh, all I hear is alex screaming. I want to go back

roger is going to prison Jerome, of course, he is mixed up in all of it. He's publicly denounced steve pecanic on his show Webster tarply and wane madson hate him now because they saw trump for the danger that he was jacari jackson quit He lost rob jacobson. He had to fire joe biggs over pizza gate The and mech adieu doesn't seem to into this anymore roger stone was the glue holding together a fractured world And without him it's not going to work in this direction anymore. It's just it can't it's not worth doing it And so alex is trying to retreat to the idyllic pastures of his past not realizing

You can't go home again As george webber learned in tom wolf's book of that title quote You can't go back home to your family back to your childhood back home to a young man's dreams of glory and fame Back home to the places in the country back home to the old forms and systems of things Which once seemed everlasting but which are changing all the time back home to the escapes of time and memory Three years of becoming what he is now is taken to toll on alex that he'll never be able to undo Every day he woke up and came into his studio to tie his name and his reputation to trump Intentionally and that is not something that goes away

Just because your friend got arrested and you don't want to play that game anymore alex has every reason to want to go back to his marvelous sunset cities of his better days But he can't because he's been changed by the journey It becomes crystal clear when you hear him trying to do this 2009 style rants that we've seen over the course of this episode But he's doing it with his 2019 brain. He can't do it anymore He can't weave his i'm above politics bullshit after spending three plus years defending everything republican members of the government did And literally making democrat and globalist synonymous He was always lying, but he threw away whatever pretense. He had a decade ago to ride the big wave with roger

Unfortunately that party is fucking over roger is signaled that he's willing to talk to muller Which undercuts literally all of the narratives alex has pitched about their interactions roger keeps going on fox shows like hannity tucker carlson and laura ingrump to plead his case because he can now He's a hot item and alex knows that he's old news And alex cannot go home again, but it's going to be fucking fun to see him try Did you just quote tom wolf at me? I did Did you just fucking quote tom wolf at me? I did. All right. All right But I mean, I think that's what he's struggling with and I think it's really interesting

Um, because I don't I don't think he can make it work But whether or not I think he can pull it off just based on how I don't think anyone can pull it off Nope, uh, it doesn't mean I'm not still super into him trying That's more what I'm really interested in because along the way he's going to get back to more like Actually trying on his show as opposed to being just a deflection artist Which is always better. Yeah, it's always better for me. And then at the same time. I don't think that we've ever seen Like alex in salvage mode and I think that's what he's going to have to be Moving forward. I think it's going to be slow moving. I definitely think it's going

It's going to take a little while for it to really take hold but it's the same sort of thing that we saw when he came into trump in uh, the late summer fall Into the winter of 2015. Yeah, it was a really slow burn where there was the introduction of themes the gradual Warming of the water and to the point where the listeners didn't realize it was boiling and they were in the pot That sort of thing. I think he's doing sort of a similar thing But in reverse now and we because we have such an awareness of alex and how he works and how he operates I think you can see from these three days here in january 2019

The de-escalation of that boiling water Right, not necessarily to let people out of the pot I don't know how to work make that metaphor work. Honestly. No reverse. I I don't know. I don't know The like the closest would be out of the frying pan into the fire But even then you're still in trouble with that metaphor one of the things I'm super interested in And because we're recording this here on thursday I don't have access to like much more of alex's like wednesday was kind of boring and inconsequential Big picture, but like I'm interested to see where he goes

Like he has people like oan benjamin who are hosting the fourth hour And to me that's kind of uninteresting as an influence Like I think but oh and benjamin's a stupid asshole and not funny But like I don't see him as being someone who's going to be able to mold alex But if he were to get in with like let's say those people who do like red ice tv or something like that Yeah, yeah, those are people who could drift alex strongly towards like overt white supremacist white nationalist. I was gonna say that seems like his his only angle is to go No, no, no white supremacist that's possible

The other possibility is that we could see a marked Insurgence of the old guests who seem to have been laying low People like paul craig roberts people like peter schiff We could see a lot of these guys who were really prominent figures in 2015 Start to show back up as alex tries to refocus on the federal reserve the globalist as opposed to it being a trump defense show A lot of these guys who used to be his like his sources Like I said, he can't go back to webster tarply. He can't go back to pecanic He can't go back to wane madsen

But he has options from his old roster if he apologizes to them and shows that he's not still just on trump's coattails Right and I think that's one possibility that I'd be interested in seeing because I think that dynamic would be fascinating Because those people would take a real fucking we told you so kind of approach and alex might get really mad about that The other possibility is something I'm more Afraid of but I think would be more interesting And that is alex going to the like overt nazi route, which is possible. I don't know but it can't like it That's the problem with not being able to go home again

Right because if he tries to go home to his old guests and all of those people that used to make him comfortable back in the day They've changed and he's changed since then so trying to go back there is trying to create a future that can't be It's a it's a warped aversion of the past that will only make both parties kind of disappointed Um by what they're experiencing I think that could lead him also towards then going to the like bread ice people, but I don't know on the other hand you could say that Once again, we get a an insight into the weakest lick of the chain Yeah, you know like alex was so hard into trump

That now his pivot has to be so fast Whereas you have people like fox news where they're starting to to be like Maybe we shouldn't be with this guy and because they were They were far more gradual to it and still attempted to kind of mitigate it to some extent Their decline is going to be Similarly slower I don't want to disagree with you necessarily because I think you I think your your idea is interesting And I think that's entirely possible

But from where I'm sitting I think that alex has to be more gradual And I think fox news when they jump could go much harder 90 degree angle I think that they could take a pivot really fast and I think people would kind of not see it Like I think that because of the flashiness of their graphics their production design Their ability to distract and the fact that they're better at their jobs Like you know, that's true. Hannity does or uh talker The any of them they do an hour show that's edited. It's not live. They're reading scripts There is like and there's like always graphics on the screen

There's an ability for them to make hard turns that sometimes people don't see or experience as being that hard because they're distracted by it Most of the people who are listening to alex just have his words and even if they're watching the video It's not like they have Chirons and you know, like the graphics up everywhere on it Like alex will call for the document cam sometimes and then you get to see a piece of paper on his desk That's good stuff. It's not that great. See, I don't think alex has the same ability to sort of hypnotize and manipulate people Like he has just his words mostly to go on. I don't know. You could be right or I could be I don't know. I don't think either of us are staking a strong position on it

I think something that'd be really interesting But I actually think is impossible is the idea that alex could become a voice of like We lost our way or something like that. I don't think he'd ever do it But I think that I think that there would be some value For propaganda purposes in humility like some some sort of like I don't know how he'd get to the place necessarily But some sort of like penitents of like we lost our way We had our principles Ron Paul is who I always loved and I get seduced away from it Could even go with his uh, you know, sort of hero's journey that he likes to put himself into

He could do that and be like, look, it seemed like the right thing to do It seemed like the best way to attack the globalist. This guy roger stone fucked me over He's going to prison. I've seen the error of my ways. I know he was lying to me the whole time Yeah, I beg of you. I'm a voice in the wilderness coming to you saying we fucked up Do you remember how great it was when the tea party was going on? Do you remember how much life we felt in that uh, that those midterms? You know in 2010 when we started to gain seats Do you remember what it felt like to have this resurgence and the fed

Anti-tax movement going on that got warped it got bastardized. We didn't know what we were doing We got led down the wrong road and I'm begging you to come back come back I don't think it would work, but I think it would be interesting as a character now I would I would actually say your best move there is We did this for the right reason totally and we got Two supreme court justices in there, you know, like hey, wow say what you want say what you want 2009 alex jones wouldn't be into this. No, of course. It's one of them's a neocon Yeah, you know dick, but all of them but all of them have to get a win out of this

Sure, what we elected was a fucking moron. Yeah, but guess what we got. We got two supreme court justices We got the absolute destruction of the consumer financial protection bureau, you know, like the tax code is gone You can snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat a little bit that way certainly Yeah, you could you could do something like that, but it would still like I want the character to be penitent Yeah, because I think that's an interesting Like voice. Yeah, and especially for alex to embody it. I think it would be really interesting astonishing Yeah, it would be it would be a

Sort of logical but unlikely progression for his character I think most likely we're going to see like severe radicalization because Him trying to go home isn't going to work I think he's going to have to try and find a new home and that new home In terms of the internet conspiracy sphere in all that world Yeah, he's either got to go like QAnon shit and that's clearly something he's not into right and isn't viable The only other world there really is outright white nationalist white supremacist nazis and like

He believes the same things as them. He just Yeah, he's outclassed on all fronts though because he's still not going to be able to do white nationalism as good as No, probably not now white nationalists are doing nobody does have a bigger platform than a lot of them So he could elevate them and they would hero worship him because of that gatekeeper issue Thing we're like he has these millions of people who listen to him. So I think there's a possibility there I don't know. It's always interesting. It's always difficult for us to try and like predict the future and all that And I don't really like that game too much. It's fun to speculate a little bit like We can only go on what he's saying in the present and provide context that we have from the past

Of course now we have a couple more clips here from the 29th, which again is tuesday On this show alex has clearly indicated that roger stone's time is done alex wants to go back He wants to be where he felt comfortable before where his identity wasn't tied to trump And he could talk about all the stuff that he's always been right about he wants to be that again And I wouldn't take it all that seriously probably I because he's a liar and and even he may have killed the guy and even the emotional pleas And the the the sort of things that you think you're seeing in him could sometimes be the you could trick yourself

If you're giving a like a generous reading of what he's saying or doing you could trick yourself into thinking like oh Isn't that interesting. Mm. What sealed the deal for me is this? Uh interview that he has at the end of the show on the 29th Well, william gene heads up alley pack dot us one of the largest strongest and no compromise Groups spending our sovereignty but now I've had one like 10 years ago It hasn't been on a couple years Everything he's talked about others have talked about come true the u.n funding and world government Trying to collapse our borders. It's just gotten crazy

and he had a big article That went viral at alley pack dot us And at game report com why I want and culture to run for president in 2020 so here to break down What's behind this idea is william gene willing to have you with us Hey, Alex, it's great to be back after a long time and uh, you know You've been through a lot since the last time I got to talk to you I just wanted to thank you real quick for hanging in the air and and really continue what you're doing

I think you read pill more people in the country than anyone else So he's having a guy on who he hasn't on had on in years He's a guy named william gene who runs this uh, this political action committee the american legal immigration Political action committee. Yeah, and he is a vociferous anti immigration guy. He is a super fucked up Like keep him out keep the browns out that that sort of guy Now he wrote an article about wanting uh, and colter to primary trump in 2020 Alex would never have this person on his show If he still had any

Interest in being a part of trump's ship I can't imagine that Anybody who voices even milk toast criticism of trump. Alex will shout down. He'll like. Ah, what the fuck? Let's go to break or whatever. You know, like it won't it doesn't exist on his show Valid criticisms of trump do not exist or even invalid criticisms quite frankly ones that are given He never gives time To criticisms of trump without challenging them and attacking the person who's delivering them William gene goes on the show listen to this shit

It doesn't mean I really don't want trump to win reelection I think you're saying get colter to start talking about running to get trump back on the straight and narrow Well, and even if she needs to run, I don't think that it would be harmful for us to have a healthy GOP primary Based on the issues and hold trump accountable and there's a wide variation of people who do and do not support what i'm doing right now Me personally, I will never vote for donald trump again. I don't care if he's running against the socialist Oscar cortez or whatever name is I I I can't vote for him again because I feel very betrayed It was so it felt great during the campaign and at the inauguration

To hear things that i've been saying for years echoing off the walls of the white house and to have some hope So he feels betrayed by trump and he'll never vote for him again Alex wouldn't let this on his show a month ago That's absurd that that's crazy to think about and even the idea that he's starting out this interview by saying like Yeah, you know, maybe it's a good idea to have van colter run to get trump back in line or whatever If he'd read the article that william geene had written that was posted reposted on info wars Yeah, um, he wouldn't think that that was the the premise

He knows who this guy is this this strikes me as Uh, see it's the soft launch. No the first production meeting info wars has had in 10 years Like legit This is when alex got together with his dad and buckley and they for real talked about it You guys got william's number. We can't do this anymore. Find me a guy who's going to say We're the most whatever it is. We think we are yep and trump is not that anymore We didn't bring trump didn't bring us to the party exactly brought trump to the party It's exactly what he said the day before and now trump has betrayed us

alex is allowing this guy to express these opinions on the show because Unchallenged because it's what he wants to say but can't yet So he wants to introduce it into the rhetoric of his show Yeah, it's very important for him in terms of being able to pivot being able to transition have this Unhostile conversation with someone who's like fuck it trump abandoned us. I've always been you know, I was I loved it in the In the campaign to hear stuff. I love to hear. Yeah, I loved that and that's why we voted for him Now it's unfortunate because this guy william geene is a big old piece of shit Also, he knows alexandria ocasio cortez's name. All right

Go fuck yourself. You don't make it more obvious that you do know her name Then when you're like, no, no, no, it's oscar cortez or whatever her name But I like you fucking know her but I like shut the fuck up. I like to hear stuff like that Anyways, that that indicates fear. Yeah, exactly people like the 100% that that uh, they are terrified of her Exactly and you know rightfully so but It's important that alex is letting this on his show that's super important And I agree the second thing that's really important is at the end there is like we voted for trump because I heard these things In the campaign that inspired me and a lot of people would like to present the idea alex tries to present this idea

There's like he said he was going to get out of the tpp He was going to fight the globalists But william geene is a fucking dick and he said we were going to have whites only bathrooms again and now we don't William geene spells it out We did not elect donald trump to make docka permanent We elected donald trump because he promised us illegal immigrants including docka dreamers had to leave the country Everyone wow you remember this when he told us this he said we either have a country or we don't he told us the illegals had to leave He told us he was going to form a deportation force. He's doing none of these things

He's actually doing something 180 degrees different than that He promised us recently read me just before the midterm elections where a lot of voters like me did not get excited about Things um that he was going to end birthright citizenship through an executive order didn't do it He told us recently he was going to declare a state of an emergency to get the wall built Didn't do it his bigotry is disappointing to me I heard during the campaign that this guy was a fucking rampant white nationalist and it turns out We got uh bamboozled by the by a pro we instead of getting a 100 white nationalist We got like a 75 white nationalist and that's not what I voted for

And the response here is interesting because alex is kind of like yeah, you know what you're right You're right Like there's a part at the end of the interview where alex is even like yeah You know, we're all caught up on the wall But this amnesty issue is really more important even if they build the wall You know, there's gonna be still immigrants here. I was like holy shit alex Wow, wow So not only is this a very uh jovial friendly interview with this guy who's denouncing trump

And saying that he needs to be primaried by an fucking colter in 2020 someone who alex in the past has been Eh at times embracing of but at other times also been very petty towards this woman's a monster. Yeah Sort of yeah, yeah, so like I I would imagine that if we were to really go back through the archives you could find a lot of a Take takes on her appearance. Yes takes on her appearance to an An exhaustive degree that also uh bat for the cycle Yeah, yeah, yeah in terms of misogyny and uh, and I hate an colter and I'd still be like Jesus, man so

I think what's important here is that I don't think that alex Really necessarily even supports what william guine is saying. I think he's using him as a more extreme Guest that will allow him to have a moderate position working away from trump. Yeah, so I think I think I think what what I don't know at the end here I just think like I can't sum it up better than like I hear alex wanting this not to be real anymore I just what he's done what he's been involved in Like he just realizes that he's reached the end of it the party's over the lights have come on and it's not fun You're there until five in the morning and it's like hey

Everything's like fun for like a two in the morning and then at five you still think it's fun lights come on you realize No one's dancing with you. Yeah the party is over. All your friends are gone They don't like you anymore because you punch them at three a.m. And you're just fucked You're it's five a.m. And now you got to fucking sober up. You got to go get some Gatorade Whatever like metaphorical Gatorade alex has got to figure it out get his life, right? And that's all I hear. That's why to me Compared to the isis night. Yeah Isis up the asshole the isis up the asshole the the isis it will always be remembered as a dirty asshole night

This this is why the production meeting part of it. This is why that like this is our first three days, right? But what I'm saying is that night was emotional alex shooting from the cuff Telling Rob do the turn off that camera. Yeah, of course when they go home the next day The people around him are like you can't do that. We got to amend this whereas this turn Is more likely to stick because because the people around him who otherwise would have said No, no, no, no, no, you can't be doing this are now saying How do we do this? Not you can't be doing this. How do we maneuver this exactly we maneuver it by

Softly cutting off roger don't you it would serve nobody. I'm gonna have to think about layoffs I'm not just saying I'm gonna lay off roger because he was indicted and he's probably gonna go to jail But I mean we hate paul wassen. He might go but not him because he's not indicted and he's not going to jail I don't pay john bown anything so he's sticking around I I don't he doesn't pay it would it would serve nobody's purposes for him to come on air and be like Fuck roger stone that guy's a piece of shit or anything like that Yeah, it would be too abrupt and it also would hurt roger and roger is fun for us sure

But also roger is a rat fucker. So he would then start talking shit about oh, yeah So it just doesn't work that that strategy would be a non-starter So the idea of being like roger like behind the scenes it's I would assume it's like roger We're going to be we're going to work through this but fuck you I imagine there has to be something like that because you see this presented on the show It's consistent over the course of three days like I am fucking sick and tired of being tied to these dudes It's as close as it gets to like a chute promo. We are not like uh, like cm punk's pipe bomb promo We are not paying roger stone hush money

This is a severance package that he negotiated way in advance It's amazing how much money we're giving him while he's not working here. It's not hush money to like Be cool with people so they don't Like slander you yeah, that's just kind of a good strategy when you're working with shitheads Oh, if you're working with roger stone, it's not it's not this is like a Minefield that you don't even know if you can make it through yeah Yeah, but you can make it through if he's probably going to be in prison soon. That's when you bail on it. That's when you're free Alex is free in a way that he hasn't been for three years. Oh my god

The most important the most important thing for alex right now is whether or not roger stone's gag order Gets enforced. Not really. No, it's just a matter of time. I don't I don't mean Obviously I was being hyperbolic right, but I mean if roger's gag order does get enforced Alex is free as a bird No, nothing. Well, there's nothing roger can do well that isn't a crime Well, somewhat somewhat. I mean if the gag order is enforced then alex is free to just move on He doesn't have to be afraid of whatever roger might do exactly

But it doesn't really free him up to like sell roger Out or anything like that because I also think that wouldn't work for his interests I think that there's I don't there's one path to go down that is blame everything on roger Right, and I think that's interesting. I think that's what he should do right But it also implies a gullibility and a weakness in himself that he can't allow right I accept that maintaining the status quo of the like roger's innocence getting railroaded by the globalists right now Let's talk exclusively about the globalists. Fuck trump who gives a shit about him like you can still maintain

A flimsy performative support for roger stone and abandoned trump You can do all of the things you need to do for sure But you can't do them if roger still has influence over you and when roger goes to prison or is on his way to prison You are free. That's that's what i'm saying. I'm talking about the gag order as that psychological component of Man the moment I don't have to look over my shoulder He can't talk shit about me not yeah, exactly like it doesn't matter if I have any Obligations to be like for my audience. I hey, I still support roger stone the moment I don't have to look over my shoulder is the moment. I'm free. Yeah, once roger

Once roger can't get involved. That's the moment that alex finally has agency over his own narratives Exactly. So there is something to that. Yeah, I don't know. Look. I I don't know what the future holds, but these days This week have been eye-opening for me. Like it really has been it's been very difficult to listen to and I mean, certainly there's a lot of stuff I had to look into like a lot of articles and studies and reports about vaccines because I wanted to talk about that a little Yeah, as Alex is bringing it up. Absolutely beyond that wrestling with the emotional pieces of this and like It's it's tough. It's tough. Yeah, I've not seen anything like this from him in in a long Long fucking time not even the night where he cried in the dirty asshole night. Yeah

Not anything close to that dirty asshole night. This is sincere. This is protracted. This is intentional December 25th the If he had said the year of our lord dirty asshole If he had said that roger stone shoves ices up their dirty assholes or the equivalent that'd be fun or the equivalent Yeah, if you'd lashed out at roger in some way, I'd be like, haha Look at this isn't this funny. It'd be an emotional thing that he's going to walk back. Right. This is subdued. It's natural There's a there's a path to it And I think it indicates very strongly that whatever happens in the next week or or whatever

He's done. Alex is done talking to roger and having him run the show It's back to alex and we will see if he is still able to do that God damn it. The problem with that prediction is that this prediction episode like the way that your predictions have nailed it this episode belies our constant truth of We think alex is going to do this thing. We're often wrong tomorrow. He's gonna talk about some molly pirates Right. We're like, I don't know. Well, but that's also an indication. I think

Of how unpredictable he was in 2009. Yeah, as opposed to in 2019 2018 He's so predictable. Right. I meant metaphorical Right molly pirates, but if alex is getting back to where he was in days past he might talk about As unpredictable as he used to be and I'm excited for that You know what I like about roger He reminds me so much of the somali pirates and you gotta give it up to those ratfuckers I hate alex jones. I think he's a piece of shit a monster a white supremacist a white nationalist a bigot of all orders Like he really is he's a monstrous

Bad influence in society But that being said, I will always prefer Pre trump alex to trump alex 100 there is a distinct difference between them Not on an ethical standpoint. Oh, no, but on a I'm interested in this standpoint Yeah, and to see any kind of resurgence where alex is feeling like I want to go back to who I used to be I'm never going to be against it. I'm still going to be here to punch you metaphorically Politically, but I'm still going to be there to like yell at you and talk about how fucking stupid you are But thank you alex. Thank you for indicating that you want to come back

to straight present day episodes that did not begin with alex in the present day is so boring I want to go back to 2009 no to straight episodes. I know and it's fucked up too President and it's fucked up too because I have so many things that have been in the works and we have We have other things that like we have been planning. They're like big big episodes. Yeah planning Uh, and they all got thrown off by roger stone getting indicted. Yep The timing of the world just works as it works and we are uh, servants of it

Sometimes you just got to let go and let god down. Yep. We have to we have to accept You know me we have to accept what comes and uh the episodes that we do will be what we do We'll talk about it at the beginning of the next episode, but if you're still If you're still listening, um next week, we're only gonna have a monday and a friday episode. I will be on vacation uh, so please uh I don't know don't you don't need to forgive us, but just won't be a wednesday episode. Yeah, that's that's fine But we will be back on monday, uh, but until then we have a website. Do we knowledge fight.com? Okay. All right Uh, what if you found us on twitter you do that? How could you find knowledge underscore fight knowledge underscore fight?

Also, uh, thank you to robert evans over at behind the bastards earlier this week He uh, had uh, he had to announce that he didn't have an episode for the end of the week And someone uh got sassy with him and his response was why don't you check out knowledge fight? Super awesome. I really appreciate that. Thank you very much. We're a cool fucking guy. That is a yeah What a cool guy. I we talked to him. We talked to him for two hours and he's a fucking cool guy Isn't it isn't it really weird to be at a point where two years ago? We started this and no one gave a shit and now someone who like we respect and I like his show quite a bit Is just out of nowhere recommending our show to people. That's very cool. It's very cool

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Wait, I can't just sort of fucking walk through walls. He never killed anybody. He was in the military for 30 fucking years Never mind. Uh, I will tell you this right now. Yeah the spider leadership Uh, that doesn't exist. That does not exist has definitely never come to mind. I agree with you Uh, although they do sing Yum yum yum yum yum yum yum time before they uh before they metaphorically, you know, who else sings It's one guy who technically probably killed dude. That's alex jones Andy and chanzas you're on the air. Thanks for holding So alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you